Bits Bucket For March 31, 2010
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Foreclosure fighters on their way back
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Rep. Frank drops in at West Palm Beach’s mortgage loan ‘Save A Thon’
By Kimberly Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 8:05 p.m. Tuesday, March 30, 2010
The Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America is heading back to South Florida after drawing more than 24,000 desperate homeowners to a February mortgage-modification marathon in West Palm Beach.
The nonprofit group, which offers free counseling and face-to-face contact with lender representatives, will be in Miami Beach for five days beginning April 15.
As with the Save the Dream event at the Palm Beach County Convention Center, the program at the Miami Beach Convention Center will run 24 hours a day. It will be NACA’s 14th event around the country.
“We saw the demand is there,” said NACA spokesman Darren Duarte about South Florida. “We had people at the end of the West Palm Beach event who didn’t get to meet with a counselor and that tells us there is a need.”
The group receives government grants for its work, but also earns up to $500 from lenders for successful modifications that result in at least three on-time mortgage payments.
Most successful modifications include a lower interest rate or principal forbearance. New programs recently announced by Bank of America and the federal government also offer principal forgiveness in some cases.
During the five days, counselors worked with people on about 24,330 loans, and completed 7,547 same-day payment reductions.
Homeowners are encouraged to register for the event at http://www.NACA.com.
How many people come in at 3am for a mod? Just wondering.
I would imagine some desperate FB’s aren’t getting a lot of sleep.
Those working 2 jobs to keep their house!
“Rep. Frank drops in at West Palm Beach’s mortgage loan ‘Save A Thon’ ”
Is Barney autographing NODs? WTF?
“Save a Dream” … what a name.
It is kind of an oxymoron. If your disillusioned, it’s because you had an illusion in the first place.
Flipping has become a part of the financial way of life to millions of people world wide. It does help that the gubmint is willing to promote and back stop the flippers dreams.
House Flippers in U.S. Crowd Courthouse Steps in Hunt for Deals.
March 31 (Bloomberg) — During the U.S. housing boom, even amateur investors could buy and sell a property within a couple of months and turn a profit. Today there’s nothing amateur about house flipping.
Homes with punctured walls and missing appliances draw multiple offers from professional investors at auctions in foreclosure-ridden states such as Arizona, California, Florida and Nevada. Competition is so stiff that experienced flippers such as Sergio Rodriguez and Brian Bogenn look back with nostalgia at last year, when they turned over 48 residences in the Phoenix area.
“A year ago, bums outnumbered bidders at the courthouse steps,” where many foreclosure auctions take place, Rodriguez said. “Now the bums are way outnumbered.”
In Phoenix, 4,661 foreclosed homes changed hands within six months of being purchased in 2009, an increase of 81 percent from the year earlier, according to RealtyTrac Inc., which sells foreclosure data. Flips in the California counties of Riverside and San Bernardino rose 45 percent to 17,203. In Las Vegas, which has the highest foreclosure rate in the country, they climbed 38 percent to 8,042.
Nationally, flipped homes gained 19 percent to 197,784 in 2009. Final figures may rise because some homes bought in the fourth quarter may get flipped this year, said Daren Blomquist, a spokesman at Irvine, California-based RealtyTrac.
FHA Waiver
Sales could get a lift from the Federal Housing Authority’s one-year waiver of anti-flipping rules that took effect Feb. 1, allowing FHA borrowers to acquire foreclosed homes from owners who have held title for less than 90 days.
“Sales could get a lift from the Federal Housing Authority’s one-year waiver of anti-flipping rules that took effect Feb 1, allowing FHA borrowers to acquire foreclosed homes from owners who have held title for less than 90 days.”
This helps maintain a market for foreclosed homes which helps the banks dump the dumps into the pool of flippers.
As with everything else, ultimately it’s about saving the banks.
As with everything else, ultimately it’s about saving the banks.
I agree 100%.
Fraud of all times. See ww.kingworldnews.com that is coming to light.
Gata’s Murphy’s testimonial is on youtube.
Of course its about saving the banks, Combo. You wouldn’t want armageddon now would you?
The guy who oversaw the USA’s “Books” is concerned that we’re about to go over the armageddon cliff.
If you thought the sub-prime meltdown was bad…you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.
“Nobody’s going to bail out America.”
With the U.S. facing $50 trillion in unfunded liabilities and around $62 trillion in total long-term debt, what worries Walker most is what happens after the recession dissipates, as detailed here. “I’m less concerned with the short-term deficits than I am the fact that we’re not doing anything about those structural deficits that people used to call long-term,” he says. “But the long-term is here.”
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/u.s.-standard-of-living-unsustainable-without-drastic-action-former-top-govt.-accountant-says-458329.html?tickers=%5Edji,%5Egspc,dia,spy,tlt,IXJ,xlv&sec=topStories&pos=8&asset=&ccode=
In the words of Joey Biden, “This is a big f#*##@@@ deal!”
The really “big f***ing deal” is the outsourcing of jobs, and the importation of cheap illegal labor, mostly of the Mexican variety. It’s about JOBS!! Nothing matters without jobs! When are the PTB going to recognize this? Sure, there are little soundbites here and there, but NOTHING has been done to address the structural flaws in the system. Caterpillar was crying about the healthcare bill, but nobody asked them about the offshoring of their manufacturing over the course of the past decade! This stuff would be comical if it weren’t so tragic. I feel like I’m living in a bad dream. There is ZERO true leadership in DC.
Well JOBS are what poor J6pk has, and Return on Investment is what the wealthy have. So long as we (to some, real extant) lump them both together as a measure of how well our economy is growing we won’t be paying sufficient attention to jobs IMHO.
Apparently the PTB do not see any relationshiop between the loss of jobs to cheap international labor and our financial problems today. Wait till tens of millions file Bankruptcy next year, and unemployment reaches 30%. We are in the early stages of a full blown depression, and the PTB are concerned that we pay for health insurance. The thousands of business failing each week, taking down millions in debt are of little or no concern.
A big scandal has just been discovered with the commoditys market. The smokeing gun is a “insider London commodity broker” who now confess’s that there is little real silver/gold , 100 paper silver/gold/ to 1 oz of silver/gold bullion in the warehouse storage? All those buyers who believed they were getting real silver/gold are going to have one of a hell hangover when they discover what they thought they had is now being shared with the other 98 buyers. Talk about the Mandoff scam.
The trusted banks have sold , I mean “shared your silver/gold” with 98 others. What is going to happen when a few investors upon discoverning this shock want to sell and take delivery? There is no silver/gold to be had. Your receipt is just that. A paper receipt with no value. See http://www.kingworldnews.com for this incrediable story today.
And they are FHA-backed flippers on top of that.
Is ANYone bothering to verify income for FHA loans? IMO if you can prove steady income, I don’t give a flip about FICO scores.
Yep, AND it helps keep houses out of the hands of those icky saver-types, who would do something terrible like buy an affordable house, pay off the 30-year normal mortgage, and live in it for as long as possible. Terrible! How are the banksters supposed to make any extra money on that type of behavior!
Preach it, PTM!
“House Flippers in U.S. Crowd Courthouse Steps in Hunt for Deals.”
Seems like the flippers and the first-time home buyers armed with credit are the two main groups of buyers these days. Financially prudent buyers enter the market at your own risk…
Incidently, this is exactly how the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer.
rich keep getting richer ??
They make it on the way up and they make it on the way down…Nothing new here…
Put a Fannie/Freddie reg. in place that they will not lend on any home that was previously purchased less than 1 year prior…This will limit the power of the cash/flipper buyers and leave room for a owner occupant to get a opportunity for a decent deal…
Wouldn’t that limit foreign cash buyer demand that is helping to offset the residential property price declines which would otherwise be occurring? We wouldn’t want to discourage foreign knife catchers from the opportunity to lose their shirt and funnel cash into the U.S. economy in the process…
Who are the appraisers valuing these properties at tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars above what the flipper paid?
above what the flipper paid ?
Amazing what a little carpet and paint will do isn’t it…
Actually scdave, it is. Throw in some cheap, but new plumbing and light fixtures, clean up the yard and it’s a done deal.
Provided of course, you got the place for a steal and you are willing to do most of the work yourself and don’t expect to sell in less than 6 months.
Grizzly,
I’ve asked the same question about the appraisers valuations of flipped properties.
We’ve seen houses sold for $200K, then flipped just a few short months later for $350K.
The bubble is back, and it’s 2003-2005 all over again.
Speaking of the rich getting richer.. how is it possible that a group of pigmen can orchestrate a giant fraudulent scam netting them billions in illegal profits, subsequently sending the country into a great depression, and yet retire to their ostentatious mansions without so much as an inquiry into their illegal dealings? Where are the indictments? WHERE ARE THE INDICTMENTS?!!!
Google News.
Search: hedge fund, mortgage, fund investment, fraud.
“House Flippers in U.S. Crowd Courthouse Steps in Hunt for Deals.”
“Angry (armed) Taxpayers in U.S. Crowd Congress Steps in Hunt for Justice.”
Is what the headline will have to read before the problem is fixed. Until then you will have to keep waiting.
“Competition is so stiff that experienced flippers such as Sergio Rodriguez and Brian Bogenn look back with nostalgia at last year, when they turned over 48 residences in the Phoenix area.”
Makes you wonder how much of Uncle Sam’s well-intentioned housing market stimulus money accidentally wound up in the pockets of flippers…
Makes you wonder how much of Uncle Sam’s well-intentioned housing market stimulus money accidentally wound up in the pockets of flippers
Socialism is always “well-intentioned”….
It started with Pres. Bush and is continuing with the Messiah. We need more people to vote for…
Socialism is always “well-intentioned”….
It started with Pres. Bush and is continuing with the Messiah. We need more people to vote for…
No it started with FDR - we are now reaping the “benefits” of many of his programs.
We need to never forget that. The single greatest enabler of this economic crisis is Fannie Mae - FDR’s creation.
In about 20-30 years we’ll be saying the same thing about Social Security (another FDR creation) and Medicare (a Johnson creation).
The single greatest enabler of this economic crisis is Fannie Mae - FDR’s creation ??
You mean the program that enabled Millions of war veterans to come home and form households with roofs over their heads ??
The same war veterans that gave you the opportunity to speak English instead of Japanese ??
“In about 20-30 years we’ll be saying the same thing about Social Security (another FDR creation) and Medicare (a Johnson creation).”
should be saying that now. I think HCR was a bassackwards way to “fix” Medicare shortfalls.
And I’m about to tap both programs in a couple years. Ugh.
I agree here Packman. FRE/FAN were around for a long time with out really bad effects.
Where it went bad was the push for the GSEs to stay in the market and chase yeilds and risk. They were just about obsolete and ole BF chased them into subprime.
The same war veterans that gave you the opportunity to speak English instead of Japanese ??
Unless you live in Adak, AK I think you’re carrying this too far. There was about a one in a hell chance of the Japanese occupying the USA.
Comment by scdave
2010-03-31 08:28:40
The single greatest enabler of this economic crisis is Fannie Mae - FDR’s creation ??
You mean the program that enabled Millions of war veterans to come home and form households with roofs over their heads ??
The same war veterans that gave you the opportunity to speak English instead of Japanese ??
LOL - spare me the guilt trip bud. People owned homes before Fannie Mae - they just had to use the bank itself (gasp) for financing - on the front end and the back end; not just acting as a mortgage broker.
And there were crashes in RE values resulting in high levels of foreclosure before F&F were created too….
Funny how FDR’s programs worked so well for so many years, until the Reagan Revolution. In fact, didn’t Reagan appoint Greenspan chairman of the Fed? That’s right, he did. And wasn’t the Reagan Revolution all about deregulating Wall St? That’s right, it was. And wasn’t an unregulated Wall St the major cause of the last Depression? That’s right, it was. Lot of funny coincidences.
Wouldn’t be hard to argue that FDR’s programs worked well until they were dismantled and/or deregulated, in the name of ‘freeing the markets’. (Although we all now know that Adam Smith himself said that free markets require regulation in order to exist.)
Ya know alpha sloth, some people just aren’t bothered by the facts.
Never mind that Wall St. pushed HARD for financial deregulation, and that they green-lighted liar loans, and that the CDOs and other securitized mortgage packages were fraudulently rated. And that everyone from the RE agents on up were in on the game.
Never mind all that stuff. It was the ding dang goberment, it was! And the po’ people!
BTW, packman, it’s been shown time and time again that the subprime loans were less than 15% of all mortgage loans made.
“Securitization accelerated in the mid-1990s. The total amount of mortgage-backed securities issued almost tripled between 1996 and 2007, to $7.3 trillion. The securitized share of subprime mortgages (i.e., those passed to third-party investors via MBS) increased from 54% in 2001, to 75% in 2006.”
-Wikipedia
Wouldn’t be hard to argue that FDR’s programs worked well until they were dismantled and/or deregulated
Fannie Mae was dismantled? Wow, that’s news to me.
The only meaningful “deregulation” that would have prevented this eventual breakdown - removing any notion of sponsorship - either explicit or implicit - simply did not happen.
BTW, packman, it’s been shown time and time again that the subprime loans were less than 15% of all mortgage loans made.
Must we rehash that same point that I’ve countered time and again? Remember - Lusitania.
Fannie Mae was dismantled? Wow, that’s news to me.
Dismantled, deregulated, co-opted, corrupted, or simply ignored. Different approaches for different agencies/programs, all leading in the same direction- disaster.
The fact is, FDR’s programs worked very well for two generations.
Ever find an example in history of your ‘unregulated free market’ working? I’m still waiting.
Apparently we must as numbers and facts seem to somehow be irrelevant.
Never mind that Wall St. pushed HARD for financial deregulation, and that they green-lighted liar loans, and that the CDOs and other securitized mortgage packages were fraudulently rated. And that everyone from the RE agents on up were in on the game.
You know - I won’t disagree that deregulation played a hand in causing the housing bubble. But here’s two problems with the conclusion you guys seem to always draw - that this means that more regulation = better:
1. All through the 90’s and 00’s when the housing bubble was building - it wasn’t just “deregulation” that was going on - it was a combination of both regulation and deregulation. The government and Fed used their not-so-invisible hand to push housing in all kinds of ways:
- Removal of all interest deductions except mortgage
- Pushes by Barney Frank to loosen lending standards at Fannie Mae
- GSE Act, creating the weak OFHEO and also setting standards for increased Fannie Mae lending
- CRA reform in the mid-1990’s including creation of the Community Development banks and the CDFI fund.
- Creation of the real estate capital gains exemption - which didn’t apply to other capital gains.
- The SEC pushing the banks to lessen their loan loss reserves, starting in 1998.
- The Recourse Rule change, making MBS more profitable than other securities.
- The Federal Reserve interest rates - probably the single greatest form of regulation that exists.
- The American Dream Downpayment Initiative - giving downpayment assistance - yet another thing pushing more money (i.e. regulation) towards real estate.
2. The primary “deregulation” elements - Glass-Steagall change, and the CDS deregulation - took effect after housing prices had already reached inflation-adjusted records.
MUST I GO ON??!!!??? Or will you stooges finally admit that it wasn’t just “deregulation” that caused the housing bubble?
I think I’m pretty much done beating that dead horse.
Ever find an example in history of your ‘unregulated free market’ working? I’m still waiting.
Yeah the U.S. seems to have done pretty well - despite probably the greatest civil war the war the world has ever known - right up until a few years after the Federal Reserve was created, actually.
Not that’d I’d propose that the U.S. had a totally unregulated market - but it was certainly far less so than after the Fed was created.
“Ever find an example in history of your ‘unregulated free market’ working? I’m still waiting.”
Visit the streets of (”communist”) Nha Trang, Vietnam. You will be shocked and awed — I am totally serious!
’subprime loans were less than 15% of all mortgage loans made’
I’m not sure that’s what matters for a couple of reasons. One, the percentage of subprime loans the past couple of decades was around 2% of the total. Two, the first stats that blew my mind about subprime, I found in October 2004. It showed that just as the percentage of prime loans started to contract, 2002-03, subprime exploded up to 40% or so. I posted on an old blog at that time that it appeared the industry turned to subprime as they ran out of prime borrowers. You can find these stats at National Mortgage News, among other places, but you have to subscribe.
Then the craziness really started with no-doc, stated income, option arms/negative amortization, etc, (or even layering these together), which is essentially surreal-prime.
The question that always must be asked is “Why would lenders make loans with little chance of being repaid?”
Answer that question, and prevent it from happening again, and you get a major pillar of the financial reform the country - the world needs.
And the answer is - “Because lenders were separated from repayment risk with their ability to sell of loans.” Lenders must inextricably be tied to repayment risk.
In a world with perfect information about loans, one could potentially sell off loans and create a market for them. But the reality is that if the goal of the lender is to sell of the loan, there is inevitably a perverse incentive to generate as many loans as possible without caring about the chances of them being paid back.
A loan should be like a ship - the lender either gets to where he’s going with it, or he goes down with it.
Packman- you should read an economic history of 19th century America. You’ll find it a real eye-opener. (Or, should I say, illusion-killer?) Oh, that’s right- you’ve unilaterally decided the Long Depression didn’t happen. I can’t remember how you explain away the robber barons, but I’m sure it’s…creative.
“Because lenders were separated from repayment risk with their ability to sell of loans.”
That explained the perverse (moral hazard) incentives facing a TBTF Megabank before the Fall 2008 bailouts.
After Fall 2008, the reason was ‘because TBTF lenders were propped up by the U.S. taxpayer when they should have been allowed to go bankrupt.’
Still leaning to the right with the teabaggers Step ??
You acknowledge Bush as Pres. but Obama as the messiah ?? Bush was a train wrecked for this country as far as I am concerned…Now we all deal with the ficken mess…I will hold judgement on the current President until his term is over…
You know as far as I could tell this train wreck was started in a big way under Clinton/Rubin/Greenspan and helped along by democrats and republican congresses/senate.
>sweeps and fictional reserve lending accelerated under Clinton/Rubin/Greeny.. zero reserves persist to this day.
>End of S-T under Clinton/Ginrinch
>NAFTA under Clinton- wide support from democrats
>GSE reform killed by democrat ninja’s and Barney Frank/against Bush
>Bush2/Skeletor… further lowered reserve requirements
>Clinton Community reinvestment act
>China most favored trade status.. Clinton/Newt continued under bush2
>FHA dragged into the mess by democrat congress
Anyhow, everyone forgets what happened in 2001. Besides the war showing up on our doorstep, the internet bubble had crashed. The only “recovery” that I saw occuring came from stimulis spending from the fed throwing a lot of liquidity into the system. Not to mention throwing in all that govt debt/tax cuts. All that flowed into war spending and housing.
So. Here we are.
As Ben would say we need to be figuring out what to do with ourselves post bubble or playing extend and pretend to the place burns. See Japan.
People complain about Bush but it’s largely unfounded. There were a couple of brief bubbles that Clinto rode and Bush rode. However, if you had withdrawn stimulis at those points the economy would have crashed earlier.
Don’t get sucked into the left/right thing going on here. It’s just some bullsheet manipulation game.
“Don’t get sucked into the left/right thing going on here. It’s just some bullsheet manipulation game.”
+10 James
The only “recovery” that I saw occuring came from stimulis spending from the fed throwing a lot of liquidity into the system. Not to mention throwing in all that govt debt/tax cuts. All that flowed into war spending and housing.
Recovery from what? The Fed starting cutting rates in early 2001, when unemployment was at 3.9% - it’s lowest rate since 1969!!! The unemployment rate didn’t even get above 6.3% in that recession! The size of that recession warranted zero reaction from the Fed.
The stock market stumbled (rightly so - since it was hugely bubblicious at that point) and Greenspan totally freaked out and started throwing money around. And of course surprise surprise - all the new money that was intended the stem the “bleeding” from the recession found a new much larger balloon to flow into.
Same as will happen this time. It just seems to be flowing into a more general entity - the Federal government - than just a single asset class. The bubble is almost as big but in only two years’ time.
1997 mortgage debt: 46% of GDP
2007 mortgage debt: 77% of GDP
31% increase in 10 years. Huge bubble of course.
2007 fed debt: 63% of GDP
Curr fed debt: 88% of GDP
25% increase in just over 2 years.
The popping of this bubble is going to be much, much more painful than the housing bubble.
You do know the Fed is not a government agency, right?
Bah. The Fed is a government backed agency just like the GSE. Are they not one now?
Packman, totally agree on greenspan over reacting. Of course it might have been the banks were tied to the nasdaq and were looking for a handout then as well.
All those things contributed to the big big mess. I remain very angry with Dodd and Frank as well. The GSEs should have been reigned in and preserved vs pushed into more lending.
As Sloth pointed out above you can point back to reagan, to carter and to Nixon. And of course back to the establishment of the fed. It has been a long slide down.
No, it isn’t. It is an entirely autonomous entity with very little to no regulation and oversight. (note: that does not mean none, it just means very little)
Of course it’s unregulated - the Fed is the entity that *does* the regulating, at least of pretty much all things financial.
“The unemployment rate didn’t even get above 6.3% in that recession! The size of that recession warranted zero reaction from the Fed.”
Then began the serious housing bubble inflation efforts from the Fed; of course, presumably, nobody at the Fed could have seen the bubble coming.
This is a very important point that probably 98% of Americans do not fathom until they do some research on the subject. Originally, when I first heard it, it seemed like an argumentative tinfoil-hat-esque assertion, like a yokel talking about his alien abduction. But… time and understanding change things.
“You mean the program that enabled Millions of war veterans to come home and form households with roofs over their heads ??
The same war veterans that gave you the opportunity to speak English instead of Japanese ??”
Go scdave GO!
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Where’s the aluminum pole?
Festivus is introduced in the Seinfeld episode which revolves around Cosmo Kramer returning to work at H&H Bagels. He does so after learning that a 12-year strike in which he participated has ended (because the minimum wage has risen to the level of the wages demanded by the workers twelve years earlier) :-).
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….You mean the program that enabled Millions of war veterans to come home and form households with roofs over their heads ??
You’re thinking of the VA loan benefits, not the FHA.
Makes you wonder how much of Uncle Sam’s well-intentioned housing market stimulus money accidentally wound up in the pockets of flippers…
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Lots of it. This is what I’ve been complaining about for at least the past year.
knife catchers + moral hazard = house flippers
Knife catchers? What, are these guys losing money on every flip?
“bums outnumbered bidders”
How does one tell the difference?
Ya stole the words right from my keyboard…
People seem to be very negative on folks who come with cash to buy these broken/destroyed houses on the courthouse steps, then put money into them (hire contractors, etc.) to bring them back to liveable condition, and then sell them on the open market.
Isn’t this good?
Every home sold on the courthouse steps is one less shadow inventory held by the bank. Without these vultures/flippers/investors digging through the rubble, more of the rubble would be swept under the rug, delaying the market clearing process. Since banks are clueless with respect to fixing homes with damage, aren’t these flippers the only way the inventory will come back into the market?
In other words, the fewer the vultures/flippers/investors, the lesser the inventory, so aren’t more vultures/flippers/investors good?
The end user can buy the property and fix it up themselves without providing a profit margin to the flipper. I’m not sure, however, how many people are willing to do this.
Very, very few. It’s the main reason why flipping even works.
Probably more than most would guess. Besides, is it really all that bad if a working family buys a house without granite countertops?
I’m sick and tired of these filthy, parasitic flippers and their greed. They are not only putting taxpayers at risk (as they tend to sell to FHA or GSE buyers), but they are hurting the stupid families who buy from them as they force people to overpay for these shacks because the flippers are sucking up all the affordable inventory.
The end user cannot generally do this.
Banks are so tight right now that people need to come up with cash for the improvements. Not to mention that at a foreclosure sale, you need cash, you can’t come in with a loan.
The operative words being “come with cash.” I thought these were “FHA borrowers.” They aren’t coming with cash! I assume they are coming with taxpayer-backed debt.
As often is the case with some posters, the specifics of the article are presented in a confusing way. (Purposely so?) The flippers are not using FHA money, they seem mostly to be using cash. The FHA rule change, which they say hasn’t had time to have a measurable effect yet (it started in Feb), merely allows FHA borrowers to buy a house that’s been owned for less than 90 days (ie probably but not necessarily flipped).
I believe the same poster posts another confusing article with an implied, but non-existent, quote, further down the thread. Seems to be a pattern with some.
If you are buying a foreclosure on the courthouse steps, what you have are a pile of cashier’s checks with different monetary values (think monopoly money). A few hundred thousand dollar casier’s checks, a few fifty thousands, some 25 thousands, 10 thousands, etc.
These are not people using FHA money, they are using their own.
The deals I’ve been pitched are people raising $5-$15MM of cash to buy the homes, fix them and resell them. No debt is available for this activity, except in some limited cases from private lenders that might match $10MM of your money with $5MM of their own secured by the pool of homes purchased.
If they are jacking prices back up to near 2005 levels when they sell the place, they are contributing to the problem by preventing housing prices from returning to affordable levels and by assisting the next group of bag-holders into a doomed loan, which will then result in the house once again becoming a dump after the new “owners” get owned by their loan.
What he said.
The greater the number of flippers, the more the shadow inventory is spread out. Instead of just resting in the banks, it rests now in the banks and the flippers. So more flippers = more shadow inventory.
The less shadow inventory the better, since shadow inventory is a resource that lots of work has been put into but isn’t being put to use.
These guys aren’t sitting on the inventory.
The only two strategies I’ve seen are:
1. Fix it and lease it as an investment for 5-10 years; or
2. Fix it and sell it quickly. The margins are only 20%-30%, without leverage, so they need to turn the houses quickly to attract capital.
“Buy it and sit on it empty” is simply a strategy that doesn’t attract any capital today.
But they CAN’T really “Jack up the prices,” higher than people will agree to pay.* If there is ONE lesson to learn from this whole thing, that is it.
*Well, prices can TEMPORARILY go up beyond what people are willing or able to ACTUALLY pay, but once people collectively stop making the payments that they have agreed to, the prices just crash back down.
Successful flipping relies on being able to resell the house at just slightly less than current market value.
In the boom time, you could sell for market or higher, but traditionally, you try and sell it for less than historical comps in the neighborhood.
Courthouse auctions are strictly paid in full. But since that’s what everyone else is doing, the smart flippers don’t go.
Courthouse auctions are strictly paid in full.
That’s how it works here in AZ. Former landlady bought a property with two houses back in 1998. She had to have the full amount at, IIRC, the title company within 24 hours. Had to go to two banks to withdraw enough, but, by golly, she did.
And then the fun started. Those houses were in a shambles. Took her years to get them up to snuff.
I’m a professinal flipper. The last house we bought was in a marginal neighborhood that was in poor condition. We maded it very nice and priced it just under market and got an immediate contract.
We greatly improved the neighborhood and a single mother will soon have a great home that needs nothing. Uncle Sam will have his hand out for a large portion of the profit.
Am I supposed to feel guilty?
*made* not mader. Geez!
Almost forgot to mention the thousands of dollars we put into the hands of local tradesman who were salivating for work.
Bingo.
Perhaps you can explain how easy it would be for you to raise third party capital if your plan was to buy it and sit on it for 2 years.
There need to be more people doing what you are doing in order to help the banks clear the decks. Without demand at foreclosure auctions, the banks just kick the can down the road (delay the foreclosure), or take the property as REO and try to sell in bulk.
The more folks there are buying at the prices you describe, the more homes leave banks’ balance sheets.
The flippers had better make sure the courthouse is open that day, at least around these parts:
Kansas courts plan shut-down days to deal with budget cuts
Welcome to the Hotel California. Courts closed on Fridays.
Housing Prices May Be Heading for a Double Dip. ~ CNBC
Anyone thinking housing prices have reached a bottom had better do some recalculating. Despite Tuesday’s Case Schiller report showing smaller declines in January, housing prices may already be in another free fall.
Newly revised numbers are pointing to the decline.
The Federal Housing Finance Agency’s (FHFA) adjusted figures show a housing price decline of 2 percent in December and 0.6 percent decline in January—reversing some regional price increases in 2009.
And more pricing dips are predicted.
“Case Schiller aside, we expect housing prices to fall another five percent in the coming months,” says Paul Dales, US economist at Toronto based Capital Economics. “We’ve actually seen some declines in areas of the country. That’s going to put a halt on any housing recovery.”
Dales argues that the end of the $8,000 first time buyers tax credit on April 30th and the large amount of foreclosures in the pipeline—or on their way there—are reasons why prices will continue to fall.
“There’s going to be less demand for housing when the tax credit ends,” Dales says.
From the look of it, they’ll have to lay off the tax credit gimmick for a bit if they expect to try that trick again. So, may a double dip is in the cards, after all.
From a Machiavellian perspective, a double dip would scare J6P sh*tless. And the pols might spin it and likely say: “see our programs were working, you just need to trust us with more and bigger programs or this will keep happening”. In a twisted way, a straightline recovery offers less of a chance to grab more power than would a double dip.
I’ll take a tripple dip with sprinkles.
Triple-dip foreclosure with gummi-bears. Wonder what the record is for consecutive forclosures over a certain period of time for a single property?
I think we have the ingredients for a new record. Someone call Guiness.
I’d like extra chocolate sauce.
From a Machiavellian perspective, a double dip would scare J6P sh*tless.
Most J6Ps I know have already emptied their bowels. I guess this will turn them inside-out.
I am a J6P and I have not emptied my bowels. We are the people who actually make things function. We make things, pump oil out of the ground, make electricity and water magically appear at your walls, grow food and deliver it to you, make trains, planes, and ships move, make elevators go up and down, and lots of other things you take for granted. I have worked in all of the above areas and more over the last forty years and have never even been close to unemployed. Right now my employer is looking for SCADA technicians and variable-speed drive technicians ( you don’t know what this means ) but they can’t find any. In fact, we have had the jobs posted for several years with no qualified applicants, even in this era of high unemployment. Our workforce is aging rapidly - when we do get someone qualified to apply, that person now is almost certain to be in his/her mid to late fifties. No younger people are interested. These jobs pay well due to the increasing rarity of skilled workers. A lot of us J6Ps are doing better than you think.
Speaking as a onetime mechanic, albeit of the bicycle variety, I have the utmost respect for people who actually make things function. A hearty toast to you!
Years?? pm, are these the jobs you can train for in a two-year degree?
Your employer and others need to call up the local community colleges and advertise that you have jobs waiting in this type of work. Even call your local State University. Many of those big 4-year State schools have automatic two-year degrees in the technology majors (my school did). Maybe even donate one of the operators for a hands-on demo/class. The students will come.
One college has a two-year wind turbine maintenance program. More jobs than graduates.
The unemployed construction workers sound especially suited to this. There’s just something wrong when we have infrastructure work to do, and infrastructure workers, but no money to match them up.
“…unemployed construction workers sound especially suited to this”
If you can get them to stop drinking/tweaking on the job.
Most “safety-critical” jobs have a mandatory drug testing program. Which eliminates from eligibility about 85% of the residential construction workers that I’ve seen.
Unfortunatly one of the many malinvestments caused by Al bubbles greenspan, is in education.
Even in the best of times you need some fairly apt students to handle motors and electronics.
Believe me, we have similar problems or worse with microwave electronics.
Often pondering if we are in permanent decline due to educational malinvestment. Too many artists/rappers/writers. Not enough engineers/technicians/scientists.
And the English test would knock out the remainder.
*sigh* Maybe those soft-in-the-middle middle manager types should sign up.
Often pondering if we are in permanent decline due to educational malinvestment. Too many artists/rappers/writers. Not enough engineers/technicians/scientists.
I respectfully disagree with the above.
Why? Because there are more than a few engineers who are also writers. And there are more than a few artists who are also scientists.
Funny thing about people, they don’t fit into rigid categories. Including that much-heralded left brain/right brain dichotomy. There are plenty of people who function quite comfortably on both sides of the brain.
I agree, Madame Slim, but generally one is a hobby and one is a job. I realize there are careers where the skillz transfer into a creative mix (yours, for example?). But pm is looking for what looks like a dedicated semi*-skilled technician. I don’t see them writing poetry on the job…
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*I use “semi” very loosely. These are clearly jobs that need high skill, but I thought the elite reserved the term “skilled” for lotsa-college thinky-work (like the elite themselves, obviously). It seems pretty crass, as some of these guys are just as skilled and just as highly paid as the so-called thinkies.
I’ve worked with SCADA systems for many years (tho on the IT side) and can back up what pmseatac is saying. In some places I’ve traveled to they were the only jobs available in decaying areas, but no one could be found to do the work.
Part of the problem was that in many of these areas there are practically no people between the ages of 18 and 35.
“If you can get them to stop drinking/tweaking on the job.”
They can hang that drywall mighty quick though.
Those damn blue collar tweakers are the backbone of this town.
“…Too many artists/rappers/writers. Not enough engineers/technicians/scientists”
BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)
Hit a golf ball better than any human ever =
1.2+ BILLION DOLLARS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
and it’s even a “NON-CONTACT” sport…(just don’t drive an SUV with your wife chasing you with a golf club @ 1am)
Shall I move on to the “Bidness” world: Jack Welch or Anthony “Tan Man” Mozillo or,….
Dear concerned parents, the word on “THE STREET” is: EMULATION
Get hip!
emulate - strive to equal or match, especially by imitating
I didn’t say all J6Ps, and just to qualify what I’m saying, when I say J6P I mean any member of the middle class, not just blue collar folks.
Anyway, most people that I speak with KNOW that something very bad is happening, even if they’re doing OK themselves.
Nevertheless, most small business owners I know are hurting bad. Most people I know who work for Corporate America are worried sick as they see their coworkers being steadily replaced by offshore workers at all levels. And the local construction boyz, who used to swagger around town in their brand new $40K+ trucks are pretty quiet these days, and the mongo pickups seem to be piling up unsold at the local dealerships.
Sure, there are pockets where things are OK, but even if you are personally shielded from what is happening just talking to the neighbors can make it pretty obvious that things are bad. Like for my neighbor who works at IBM. He’s one of the lucky ones who has avoided being laid off by being demoted three times. He used to manage over 200 people, now he’s an individual contributor at a much lower salary. My other neighbor wasn’t so lucky. He was laid off from IBM and wasn’t able to find another comparable job and wound up doing wedding videos and such, earning a fraction of his former income. The stress ended up costing him his marriage. Another small biz owner friend who was saved from disaster (as in losing everything) because she inherited some dough at the last minute. She’s breathing a little easier now, but still isn’t out of the woods. Or a coworker whose unemployed husband (going in one year) couldn’t even land a Census Job because he only scored 26 out of 28 on the test.
These are the countless “empty bowels” people I meet on a daily basis, people who have stopped believing in “recoveries”, who understand that the rules of the game have been changed permanently, even if they don’t fully understand what the new rules are yet. People who used to earn upper middle class incomes and now find themselves in “job fairs” hustling for a $10/hr job at a new hotel or WalMart, often competeing with thosands of other overqualified applicants for a menial job.
So when things get even worse I don’t know what these people will do.
Believe me, we have similar problems or worse with microwave electronics.’
yes Microwave can be a pain esp if you don’t have good test gear and good cables , connectors etc
almost like plumbing mixed with electronics
Right now my employer is looking for SCADA technicians and variable-speed drive technicians ( you don’t know what this means ) but they can’t find any. In fact, we have had the jobs posted for several years with no qualified applicants, even in this era of high unemployment. Our workforce is aging rapidly - when we do get someone qualified to apply, that person now is almost certain to be in his/her mid to late fifties. No younger people are interested.
Is this one of those things where nobody wants to train anyone? As in, “there’s this big shortage of qualified people but we refuse to consider taking new people fresh out of school”? That has a tendency to discourage interest in the field…and I’ve seen it happen in software/engineering before.
Offer higher wages until someone takes the job. Isn’t that how the free market works? Or does it only work in lowering wages?
“Is this one of those things where nobody wants to train anyone?”
A problem in all industries.
When I hear “We can’t find qualified people” what they are really saying is, “We won’t train anybody.” Which goes against all historical precedent.
They will train people up to a point. We will take people who have two-year electronics degrees and some experience in an electronics or systems field not necessarily identical to ours. Obviously we prefer people with lots of work experience, but I have personally hired at least one very young person just finishing tech school, who interviewed very well and was so full of interest and enthusiasm that it made up for his initial lack of experience. Unfortunately we haven’t seen anyone like that in over a decade. I would not want to hire someone who has not taken at least some responsibility to train his or her self, or shown a modicum of interest in a related field. Unemployed drywall hangers probably would not be a good fit.
Eco/Alpha…
At some point you just cant spend 8 years training someone. You kind need some people with a background in electronics/EM theory/solidstate physics/comm theory.
Then you train them for 2-3 years to be productive. They do work but normally the quality is kind of low and it takes a while to get to acceptable.
I’m also just seeing little fringes of technological backslides. A couple guys retire or die and you suddenly have a big problem.
Hard to do OJT for a lot of the technical work. Generally you end up with a technican that understands the how but not the why of a system. As things change over time, the performance backslides.
Typical thing for an empire. Lots of interest in a technology when it is new. Then it gets into a sustaining/maintaining mode. Till it collapses.
You can look up history of technology stuff like tin whiskers about industries totally forgeting why something was done. In this case alloying solder. Other examples are bridge collapses. Things like that.
So…you guys want top quality people, J6P need not apply. Is the overall pay/working conditions package enough to support that? Can a bright kid just out of high school have any confidence that if he makes the effort to get the training and pay his dues that he’ll be able to break into the system and make a career out of it? Nothing is more frustrating than being that kid having to listen to the old guys complain about nobody qualified wanting the job while making it impossible for him/her to get qualified enough to ever get the job.
Absolutely right, Carl Morris. I hate it when the oldsters make it hard on the new trainees. I also hate it when new trainees, who are lucky to have the job, whine constantly about “how hard this work is.” Gosh gee. That’s why it’s called “work”.
Good for you pmseatac! (sincerely) That’s more than most companies will do these days.
I could also go on for days about our totally upside down education and business training, but that’s for another day.
From a Machiavellian perspective, a double-dip might give Uncle Sam a good enough reason to reinstate all the various measures recently in play to prop up home prices, and then some.
My fear as well, and it’s probably why they’re already harping on the slumping sales and prices.
They never seem to mention that prices almost always dip in the winter months, and they never mention the fact that there is NO INVENTORY…which just might hamper the sales numbers.
I expect plenty of “who could have knowed?!” dips as created ways to grab more power and to fleece the people once they unwisely return to stocks, housing, etc.
Anyone thinking housing prices have reached a bottom had better do some recalculating. Despite Tuesday’s Case Schiller report showing smaller declines in January, housing prices may already be in another free fall.
This can’t be good for all of those flippers.
This can’t be good for all of those flippers ??
A race against the hour glass…Get in/Get out…Keep doing it until something changes…
NPR is saying San Diego homes prices are up I wasn’t listening too good but thought I heard “way up”
Bubble-era thinking: Higher (less-affordable) home prices = GOOD; lower (more-affordable) home prices = BAD
County housing prices up 0.4%
Area one of stronger markets 2009 to 2010
By Thomas Kupper, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, March 31, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.
Strongest markets
One-month change in home prices
1. Los Angeles 0.9%
2. SAN DIEGO 0.4%
3. Miami -0.2%
4. New York -0.3%
5. Washington -0.4%
SOURCE: Standard & Poor’s
After perking up last summer and fall, home prices in San Diego and across the country have hit a winter lull.
The latest reading from the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Index yesterday showed San Diego County prices up 0.4 percent in January, the fourth straight gain of half a percentage point or less. That compares with monthly gains as big as 2.5 percent last summer.
And San Diego was one of the stronger markets in the January report, with prices falling in 18 of the 19 other markets the index tracks. Only Los Angeles also showed a gain. A nationwide index of 20 cities fell 0.4 percent.
“The report is mixed,” S&P index chairman David M. Blitzer said. “While we continue to see improvements in the year-over-year data for all 20 cities, the rebound in housing prices seen last fall is fading.”
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Frpm the article:
“There is the idea of just letting housing prices fall on their own without any help on any level,” says Capital Economics’ Dales. “It’s the ‘lets just get it over and done with’ feeling. There would be more short term pain and I mean pain. But it might be quicker to get prices back to normal. Prices are more fairly valued now. To tell you the truth, I’m not sure which way to go.”
Yes, please, rip the band aid off once and for all.
I’ve said it before; I’ll say it again. The point will soon come when they’ve juiced the tax credit for all it’s worth, and the only people who will be able to take advantage of it are those who would have bought anyway, so whether they extend it or not, I don’t expect it to have much more effect either way, especially in pricier markets.
This move is bound to annoy the anti-big oil folks. Drill baby, drill…
Obama to Announce Expanded Offshore Oil Drilling Plan (Update2)
March 31 (Bloomberg) — U.S. President Barack Obama will today announce proposals to allow oil and natural-gas drilling off U.S. coastlines in the Atlantic Ocean and Gulf of Mexico when he delivers a speech on energy security.
Obama will propose allowing exploration off the coast of Virginia and, if a Congressional moratorium is lifted, in the Gulf of Mexico 125 miles (201 kilometers) off the coast of Florida, according to an administration official speaking on the condition of anonymity.
The new policies are designed to reduce the nation’s dependence on foreign oil and create jobs while taking environmental risks into account, the official said.
“It’s absolutely a big change in policy because these areas have been closed for years,” said Stuart Traver, principal adviser at consultant Gaffney, Cline & Associates Ltd. in Singapore. “While it’s interesting, we’re really talking probably years before we see an impact in terms of new production.”
Yeah, I just wrote my analysis of this “bold” move. Look at the states targeted. Red. This guy doesn’t give a sh*t about energy security. Where are all the “green” energy initiatives? The only “green” energy I’m seeing is Obama’s boogers.
I think it’s just a bait and switch.
I opened some areas for drilling. Now pass my cap-and-trade.
“I think it’s just a bait and switch.”
Bingo!
Just like his super bowl infomercial with Katie Couric when he was going to “consult closely with our Republican colleagues.” on health care.
That was some good PR rope-a-dope, even though Ryan made him look like fool. The public didn’t care. Obama “tried” and that’s that.
Look at the states targeted. Red.
Well, that’s who’s chanting ‘drill, baby, drill’. Sounds like they’re getting what they want.
Don’t like it, but gotta agree there alpha. Everything’s a trade-off, a negotiation. Ya want oil rigs or not?
Lol. This policy shift couldn’t possibly have anything to do with Russia beginning to drill for oil in the Gulf of Mexico could it?
Could be, you have China planning a platform not far from Cuba, and Russia in the gulf.
“… in the Gulf of Mexico, 125 miles (201 kilometers) off the coast of Florida…”
How far off the coast of Florida is Cuba?
less than that.
That’s my point.
If the U.S. claims a 200-or-so-mile offshore territorial claim to drill for oil then Cuba could also claim a 200-or-so-territorial claim.
This could mean Cuban sponsored oil drilling platforms could be put right off the coast of Florida.
In theory, that is.
Can we drill in Guantanamo Bay?
To carry this idea a bit furthur:
If a Cuba-sponsored oil platform can be situated close enough to our Strategic Oil Reserves then some slant drilling will allow the oil to be sucked out.
i think the USA has a 12 mile claim like most countries.
originally, 3 nautical miles was commonly chosen.. (about 3.5mi) .. since a cannon could shoot that far the the area could be defended from shore..
Vermillion Bay is only six feet deep. The slant might be kind of obvious.
Np problem: Drill straight down and then slant out.
I guess the correct term is “horizonal drilling”, not “slant drilling”.
Wiki says horizonal drilling can go 10,000 to 15,000 feet, and maybe as much as 25,000 ft.
Direction boring/directional drilling. I’m sure we have a blog geo-tech to expound.
Eheh, I did some horizontal drilling last night.
“i think the USA has a 12 mile claim like most countries”
EEZ = 200 miles
Wouldn’t there be sensors on those reserve wells? If somebody tried to suck out the oil, the US would know, and fast.
No, I think pack is mostly right. I speculate that Obama would allow drilling, but put a heavy tax on it.
Look, for many reasons, we will have to switch to renewables. And it’s going to take 20 years to ramp that up, if we’re lucky. Who’s going to pay for the ramp up? Not your private industry and their three-month horizon, not voluntarily. I think Obama is using climate change and energy security are the cover reasons to extract money from fossil fuel companies for the renewables.
Say what you will about Obama, he is a VERY savvy politician. 8 steps forward, 7 steps back, but over time, those single-step gains add up.
sorry, it’s wasn’t packman, it was I-can’t-do-55. It sounded like pack thing to say.
..EEZ = 200 miles..
..around most of the coast…
EEZ varies.. especially in the Gulf. It looks to extend about half way to Cuba. It’s also pretty thin towards the Bahamas.
That’s the nature of the EEZ, 200 nm if there aren’t any other claims. For the most part split the difference if there are. Of course there is considerable disagreement on what, exactly a nations rights within the EEZ are. Witness any the (P3?) incident between the US and China a few years ago.
“I drink your milkshake! I drink it up!”
How far off the coast of Florida is Cuba?
90 miles
Can we tow it any further away?
80 miles.
More of the same old same old. More drilling, more oil & nat. gas.
No vision for what happens after oil and gas.
With the relatively abundant nat. gas resources in North America we should encourage gas powered cars and fund the infrastructure that goes along with it. Electric cars are absolutely idiotic. Batteries are heavy, have a limited life span, hold realively little energy and are very environmentally destructive.
Diesel and natrual gas would temporarily solve our transportation fuel crisis. both are much superior to electric/hybrid unless we have some major breakthrough in battery technology….not looking like that’s about to happen.
I read that all of the oil in the ground off the entire coast of Florida would last the US less than a week at the rate we are consuming it. Has peak oil already happened? What if the last barrel sold for $83 tomorrow?
“I read that all of the oil in the ground off the entire coast of Florida would last the US less than a week at the rate we are consuming it”
I don’t think the area has been explored really well. I hate to judge before all the facts are in. Still oil is a very limited resource regradless of what they find. We might delay the day of reckoning by a few years or even a decade. But I guess that’s also part of the American way, pray and delay.
In the meantime we can blame big oil, speculators, liberals and Santa for high oil prices.
One thing’s for certain- these current oil prices are an absolute scam. The world is awash in crude, with hundreds of tankers parked off various shorelines, consumption is down dramatically worldwide, and the shills are screaming $100 per barrel, and $4 gasoline. There is no hope for an economic recovery given this current reality.
I agree, that we need to focus our energies on alternative energies, and eliminate our dependence upon foreign sources, because this dependence is, and will continue to be, terribly damaging for our country.
Until you can convince people to self power their homes instead of buying that Escalade/Lexus/BMW, this will never happen.
Natural gas in liquid form (compressed) has only about 1/3 the BTUs of the same amount of gasoline, which does not need to be stored under pressure. So you’d need a fuel tank at least three times as large, and a lot heavier, to store the same amount of fuel. However, there would be no fuel spills to clean up after a really bad accident. The giant fireball would consume all the fuel!
BTW, ethanol only has about 70% of the BTUs of gasoline by volume, which is why you get less MPGs with an ethanol mix vs. straight gasoline.
“The giant fireball would consume all the fuel!”
Similar fireball to gasoline. Remember the Ford Pinto?
If the tank is properly protected this is not a problem.
As for the lower BTU density, you can increase the size of the tank without adding too much weight. Certainly much less weight than a battery.
No vision for what happens after oil and gas.
I just finished reading a book called Greasy Rider. Tells the story of two Vermonters who drove cross country in a veggie oil-powered Mercedes. Makes quite a compelling argument for non petro-powered cars. They’d definitely second the italicized sentiment.
Battery technology may be the solution….If we can come up with something that has a long shelf life, thats recyclable and we can produce with some critical mass, fossil fuel will plummet in price…We will then no longer be dependent on the mid-East oil and can use our own Nat-Gas…Let the ba$turds drink it…
“compelling argument for non petro-powered cars.”
Only of you like sitting in traffic parked by a vehicle that smells like rancid french fry grease.
smells a hell of a lot better than a lungful of diesel smoke or catalytically-converted fart-smell.
X-GS, you just hit one of the book’s main themes. And you whacked it right on the nose. Ouch.
Especially amusing (at least to me) were the author’s accounts of what the car smelled like (to him and the other guy) when they got, shall we say, oil that was a bit past its expiration date.
And on another note, we can’t ALL drive on grease biofuel. Sure, it’s enough for a few granolaheads on the cover of Mother Earth News, but as a country? We just don’t eat that many French fries.*
These are the same yokels who love electric cars because they plug them in at night during “off-peak.” Sure, and what happens when everybody plugs in during off-peak? Not quite so off-peak anymore.
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*Although you’d never know it by walking through wal-mart.
Well, evening out the electricity usage DOES alot to lower the capital costs of the electric power. Of course if you’re worried about CO2 emissions, the fact is that peak power is somewhat more likely to be generated by natural gas as opposed to coal. So charging at non-peak times probalby causes slightly MORE CO2 emissions than charging at peak would.
Once diesel got well above $4 per gallon, people were paying A LOT for used grease, which restaurants used to have to pay money to dispose of. It was selling for close to $3 per gallon in WA. Factor in the costs of acquisition and filtering, and the savings was nothing to write home about. The supply of used grease can quickly be outstripped by demand.
Self powered house + electric car = problem solved.
The battery problem has been solved. Fast charging has been solved. Range has been solved. Practical mass production has been solved.
It’s IS coming. All that has to happen is for people to realize everything they know about self powered houses and electric cars is obsolete. That’s going to take longer than gearing up for production.
No vision…I tend to disagree.
I wrote a reply above. Plenty of vision, but no money to pay for it. This is the way to get money.
From a democratic campaign strategy:
1. Demonize opposition as racists right after the health bill passes. Instead of media talking about how crappy the bill is they will focus on the race issues.
2. Open some offshore areas to oil drilling but insist on passing the cap-and-trade. (Still do not talk about financial regulations or jobs)
3. In summer, throw a bone to immigration crowd. Don’t pass a bill or anything, just bring the issue back in discussion. We need Latinos fired up for the election. Call them racists anyone opposed to it.
4. Closer to election, work on passing the financial regulations. Demonize the R-cans if they oppose it.
That’s how you win the election.
From a republican campaign strategy.
1)When you lose democratically, threaten armed rebellion and secession.
2)Rile up the usual morons with the usual welfare-queen socialism claptrap, and act like it’s all you can do to restrain them.
3)Get elected and loot and destroy the economy again. But oppose some thing like gay marriage to keep your bozos happy, and convinced that you’re standing up for ‘christian’ America.
lmao…… home run Alpha.
Neither party is acceptable these days .
4. Celebrate with quiet weekend getaway with gay lover.
At some bondage strip club.
California strip clubs have the GOP familey values seal of approval so it’s ok folks. really!
5. Wheel out the retard brigade (Palin, Steele, Bachman &Co) and watch more people flee.
You described the dems pretty well IMO. It applies to both parties. As soon as the roles are reveresed, both parties resort to same talking points.
1. Not so long ago, some liberals in VT and San Francisco thought that secession was a brillant idea.
2. Come on, do I need to point out who the usual suspects are here for dems?
3. Dems save the economy? Man, you gotta get out of the la la land. The flipside is left is also up and arms about their pet projects; Gay Marriage, Don’t ask Don’t tell, and so on.
gay marriage.. burn the American flag.. atheist government.. welfare for illegals and constitutional rights for Islamofascists..
What ever possesses democrats to embrace issues like that?
Torture, death penalty, theocracy, war, welfare for the wealthy elite and nationalism(borderline fascism)….
Whate ever possesses republicans to embrace policies like that?
oops.. I missed theocracy.
Who was that racist, anti-American religious minister Obama put on his African American Religious Leadership Committee during his campaign.. before the press got hold of it.. Rev. Jeremiah Wright?
I didn’t miss theocracy.
Who was that hypocritical, homosexual, drug addicted minister Bush invited into the white house every week during his entire two terms until the press got ahold of it. Rev. Ted Haggard?
I really was asking why dems take on loser-issues like those mentioned.
When some disturbed misfit decides burning the flag is OK, or that the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional, republicans instinctively come to the country’s defense and oppose the idea. Such a position is natural.. it’s easy.. an obvious winner.
Democrats, otoh, cannot object. They’ve made it their duty to support society’s depraved elements in the interest of diversity, or fairness or minority protection or whichever righteous social principle can be stretched and distorted to fit the purpose.
Actually, they could and would object to such stupid destructive ideas if they had a bit of moral backbone and a few solid principles to guide them.
“Yeah.. burning the flag, while it may technically be an expression of free speech, obviously sends the wrong message and we, along with the republicans, strongly oppose it.”
We certainly benefit by having an opposition party to balance the republicans on important issues. But if only dems would stop allowing social deviants to pick their battles for them we would all be much better off.
+1 Alpha…Nice return volley…
+1 I can’t do fifty five
Race baiting and demonization are they (progressives) have left in their vapid arsenal. That is what happens when and you have no facts to support your arguments and your ideas have been soundly rejected by a majority of Americans.
“are they” should be “are the only weapons they”
Why is Obama focused on oil? What happened to fairy dust and unicorn turds for fuel?
BO is GW’s little brother… from a different mother.
President Doubtfire:
Has anyone ever seen Dick Cheney and Obama in the same room together? I think they are the same guy.
Well, you can kiss all that beachfront property good-bye. Not to mention fishing, that’ll be killed off too. Say, I thought there were going to be “green” energy sources.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html
Why the “about face”? It has nothing to do with energy independence. The amount of oil that will be found will have minimal benefit compared to the damage that will be done. So, why? Look at the states targeted. It’s payback time, time to turn those red states brown with oil residue and nasty tar washing up on the beaches. Not to mention oil rigs washing up on shore, because that there’s hurricane alley.
Guess people should be careful what they wish for. It was all those red states that loved cheering “drill baby drill” with their cheerleader.
They wanted it…. they got it….. right on their doorstep.
What a view…for all those golfers @ Hilton Head!
drill baby drill!!
They want a ‘free unregulated market’, but not at ‘their’ beach!
(A lesson for libertarians, too?)
Could be that we found out the global warming was warm stuff released from the back side of a bull.
Could be that HALF of our trade deficit problem is OIL.
Could be that maybe, just maybe, there is more oil there than you think.
First good thing I’ve heard from Obama.
The estimated reserves of each coast, by itself, is thought be equal to the GOM.
Environmental impact is almost zilch these days. The oil companies hate to have accidents just as bad as we do.
A report from Boston
“About 20,000 people sign up for food stamps every day, and college students across the country are the newest demographic being encouraged to enlist.
“Portland State University devotes a page on its Web site to explaining the ease with which students can receive benefits, along with instructions on how to apply. The school says food stamps are not charity but rather a benefit all honest taxpaying citizens can afford.”
“a benefit all honest taxpaying citizens can afford” - what does this even mean? I thought of about 5 different interpretations but none made logical sense.
You are not fluent in parasite-speak.
“… what does this even mean?”
It means there really may be such a thing as a free lunch after all.
Free lunch, free healthcare, free housing, free education, free comfortable retirement for everyone, free war on three fronts forever, surely the richest country in the world can afford to do that much and more.
It’s all good.
Yes we are different. We can do it all.
The laws of econnomics/physics/chemistry don’t apply to us.
YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN!
Could we get some help over here, I think somebody fainted.
Socially speaking, we’re nearing the banks of the Rubicon. Personal preparation is in order, there’s no going back to the postwar paradigm that so many still hold as an ideal.
Before everyone gets their knickers in a knot,the quote is made up. Check the original page cited, it doesn’t use that phrase anywhere.
Doesn’t matter. I can still visualize Obama reading it from the prompter with the smug expression he uses for everything.
“Free lunch, free healthcare, free housing, free education, free comfortable retirement for everyone”………Oh yeah, just one little catch though. You might have to turn in that free will thingy. But hey it’s worth it.
“Doesn’t matter. I can still visualize Obama reading it from the prompter with the smug expression he uses for everything.”
Making up your own reality doesn’t really help the situation.
Making up your own reality is the American Way! Facts and truth be damned! If it’s good enough for Wall St., it’s good enough for me!
What are you, some kinda dang socialeest/commie?
what is fake about Obama reading crap nobody wants to hear from his prompter with a cocky look on his face? That is the most real thing going in this time period.
Agreed.. food stamps are not charity.
To qualify as charity the money would have to be donated willingly, not forcibly taxed.
+1, Joey.
Food stamps for the last 50 years…Shrub Money to AIG
Let’s compare the numbers
U.S. food stamps cost forecast up 14 percent
WASHINGTON
Thu May 7, 2009 12:24pm EDT
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - With food stamp enrollment at a record high, the Obama administration estimated on Thursday the program’s cost will rise by 14 percent in fiscal 2010 and could top $60 billion.
The administration’s budget proposal also asked for $7.777 billion for the Women, Infants and Children feeding program, up $917 million from this year, and renewed a proposal for a $1 billion a year increase for child nutrition programs.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5465FX20090507
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uhh.. you sure you wanna go there happy-face?
Yep…It happened on the deciders watch…
I thought financial aid recipients were ineligible for food stamps and such.
No. Most states use a combination of food assistance, child care, work training, medical assistance and rent assistance.
And don’t ever think those people are living the good life. In many states, you still need some kind of income and there are time limits these days.
I couldn’t find any page like that on the PSU website. As far as I know, you are voluntarily unemployed while in school and not eligible for those kind of benefits.
Maybe things have changed?
Perhaps the universities will be our expanded welfare habitats.
http://www.pdx.edu/healthycampus/nutrition-its-snap
Students who meet income guidelines may qualify if they meet at least one of the following criteria:
* are a full-time students who work at least 20 hours per week
* are a full-time single students who are caring for children younger than the age of 12
* are a full-time two parent students who are caring for children younger than the age of 6
* are at least half-time students who are actively working any hours in a work-study program
*** Note: federal financial aid including Pell grants, Perkins loans, Stafford loans and most work-study is not counted as income against student eligibility.
wow. just wow. Ah, I went hungry a few times.
“…the current rebound in the economy is a statistical mirage,” writes David Rosenberg. It is “orchestrated by record amounts of monetary and fiscal stimulus that are simply unsustainable and actually risk precipitating a very unstable financial and economic backdrop in coming years.”
David is talking sense and has been for a long time.
But I think what David forgets is we are the chosen people and God is with us 100%. Because of that reason alone the simple laws of economics won’t apply to us. We can have all the bailouts/stimulus we want. Ditto with entitlement programs. Deficits, Debt who cares? God will take care of us because he chose us.
I look at it this way. The govt knows full well the current level of stimulus is unsustainable and are aware their efforts may be futile. They are hoping and praying a recovery gains a foothold before the bills come due.
Like flying a plane or sailing a ship across the wide expanse of an ocean, you reach a point of no return. It’s time to make a decision. Either go for it or turn around and go home.. The crew almost always prefers to turn back.
Not a very good analogy. When one crosses the ocean (e.g. like the Mayflower) there’s a fresh set of resources waiting on the other side when you hit land. In this case - not so much. The problem is we’re sailing into an ocean with no land on the other side. So the crew is right - we do need to turn back, or else we are indeed doomed.
Hold your tongue or I’ll have you keel-hauled.
Relax on the prognotication of doom. It is just going to take a while before people realize that a particular course of action isn’t doing anything useful.
Maybe it’s the fall of the roman empire or maybe it isn’t.
Okay.
It is just going to take a while before people realize that a particular course of action isn’t doing anything useful.
Problem is that we’re getting farther out to sea, and our supplies are dwindling. Sure people may realize eventually that we’re going the wrong way, and attempt to head back for short - but it’ll be too late.
Unfortunately the captain’s last dying breath will be “See - I told you we should have kept going!”. Many will agree, but the point is moot, since the ship was doomed already by not turning back until long after the point of no return.
Meh. So we have to eat a few of the liberals on the way back.
Tell em it’s for the collective good.
Eat the fattest first. Less murder per calorie. (Tastes like veal!)
I guess it depends on the time frame of the analogy. 500 years ago, the crew had no idea they’d find land either. I think that was joey’s point, at least that’s how I read it. The current crew doesn’t know if land exists, or if it doesn’t. But if it does, they’re hoping they get their before their supplies run out.
The govt knows full well the current level of stimulus is unsustainable and are aware their efforts may be futile. They are hoping and praying a recovery gains a foothold before the bills come due.
Right. Eventually, they will have to raise interest rates and stop these homebuyer giveaway programs. (50% of the first-time home buyers credits are fraudulent! Yet the program keeps going.)
When that happens, prices will dip again. I can’t believe our leaders are this stupid. The best thing would have been a swift, fast correction. That would have caused the most damage to the fewest people–and ground zero would have been the people who most deserved to “suffer.” (Even then, it’s hard to say that someone who got to live in a huge house for a few years, while on a spending spree they don’t have to pay back ever suffered, even if they have to give it all back to the bank eventually. Sounds like a great deal to me.)
“The best thing would have been a swift, fast correction. That would have caused the most damage to the fewest people–and ground zero would have been the people who most deserved to “suffer.”
Yes, but with a swift, fast correction, they gbnt would not have time to decide who wins and who loses, and of course the gbnt knows better than the market.
“Yes, but with a swift, fast correction, Wall St.would not have time to decide who wins and who loses, and of course Wall St. knows better than the market.”
Fixed that for you.
Also, folks these days aren’t so keen on that whole bit about those who deserve to suffer actually facing the consequences of their actions. Much better to dump the problems on the savers, fixed-income folks, etc. and let the banksters and flippers off the hook!
i don’t want anyone let off the hook, but my interests come first.
After the run on the banks, and after businesses fail by the tens of thousands, and after stocks fall to zero and Wall Street fails, whatever money anyone has stashed in banks, credit unions, or invested in stocks and bonds simply disappears.
The FDIC and SIPC and NCUA et al will not be able to give you your money when they all go under..
After the economy self destructs, houses will no doubt be dirt cheap almost immediately.. but you still need money to buy one. You won’t be able to borrow money. And unless you had the foresight to stuff enough cash to buy a home under the mattress, you is out of luck.
“And unless you had the foresight to stuff enough cash to buy a home under the mattress, you is out of luck.”
That’s the point when Aladinsane will show up here to remind us we should have all invested our dollars in The Precious™ when we had the chance.
Joey,
Do you honestly believe prices would fall to zero, or that the FDIC, SIPC and NCUA wouldn’t be backstopped? I don’t think any reasonable person would deny backstopping insured deposits. And I don’t think any reasonable person believes all prices would suddenly fall to zero. There is a lot of (insured!) cash out there, and it is waiting for the right price/situation to arrive.
If they drag this out longer, the greater the collateral damage, and the longer people will have to be out of work.
We can do this the easy/short way, or the hard/long way. Personally, I’m all for letting it fall quickly so that we can find a solid foundation from which we can build a sustainable economy.
CA renter .. the main point of your side of the argument is to let the chips fall wherever they may.
And yes the FDIC’s fund for instance would be empty within the first few hours of the first day of the bank run..
Now you want government backstopping? As in bail out? I assume by printing money?
When there is virtually zero demand (demand = actual sales), and high supply, prices certainly do fall to dirt… cheap…
“They are hoping and praying a recovery gains a foothold before the bills come due.”
Likewise, they are trying to prop up the housing market until the recovery takes hold and the market can stand on its own two feet. At that point, they will withdraw price support.
Logical consequence: Zero or less expected future real estate appreciation for the next few decades.
You could always hope for change.
Check under seat cushion - nope, no change. Darn.
We’ve had plenty of change!
From your hand to theirs.
It’s a Pinocchio economy, right on down to the puppet strings and the ever-growing wooden nose!
Speaking of puppet strings:
GlodenmanSucks has absolutely nothing to do with this Main St. poke -yous-in-the-eye ploy
By John W. Schoen:
“But wait a minute. If the global economy is using less oil, and supplies are more than adequate, why are oil prices at $80 a barrel in the first place?
The answer, according to oil analyst Peter Beutel at Cameron Hanover, is that investors are driving the price of oil — not the people who use it.
The recent rise in prices seems to be driven by Wall Street investors — not market supply and demand.
Though prices crashed from their peak of $140 a barrel before the recession began in December 2007, they have since recovered substantially. Last year, the price of crude fell to $33 a barrel before a relentless recovery to about $80 by year-end.
After peaking at nearly 9.8 million barrels a day in August 2007, demand for gasoline has fallen steadily to a low of 8.5 million barrels day in February 2010 — a drop of 13 percent. But in the past 12 months, pump prices have increased more than 50 percent and oil prices have more than doubled.
“People are using oil as a store of value rather than as a commodity,” Beutel said. “It’s the investors who are buying.”
Well, you can have your wealth in the form of worthless scraps of paper, pretty little stones or ingots,ones and zeros on a screen, or a precious commodity that the world apparently cannot do without. Goldman Sachs might be heinous, rotten, crooked, scumbag, scum-sucking, corrupt, most hated criminals but they are certainly not dummies.
But ,this is what I dislike ,a “Investor Economy .” Investments should just be a byproduct of productive activity ,not driven
by simply money having no where else to go ,or driven by investor fake demand . The casino games of Wall Street are the new economy . Ride the wave ,ride the bubble ,created demand by the market makers ,never mind value or sustainability ,but always think in terms of short term mad money and the more
risky the better .
One thing that I started noticing a while back was whenever I went to different banks they were all pushing the same investments .This would be reflected in the mail-outs also ,and my neighbor was getting the same investments pushed .
I couldn’t even withdraw money one time without being made to endure a 1/2 hours speech on bond investments that my
neighbor got the same intense sales push on at another Bank .
I notice Bank of America seems to be pushing health care insurance right now that is crazy type insurance based on a long extended stay in the hospital ,which the health care system wouldn’t allow anyway .
Anyway ,there is no question that mass marketing is done on the rah rah cheer-leading channels . These programs have the power to move markets ,at least in the short term . Cramer tries to capture the College group and the run-of the mill investors .It’s to the point that my Nephew in College is giving me “Cramer Speak. “
Thanks for pointing this out, Wizard. Periodically, when I’m doing some mundane thing like depositing a check into my credit union account, I get the razzle-dazzle pitch for investments! Specifically, investments for retirement!
Well, you know how I feel about retirement. (Oops, forgot the exclamation point.) And, being a good HBB-er, I’m also rather dubious about investments being hawked by a teller at the credit union. Especially since, whenever I go to the safe deposit, I see a list showing which teller has gotten the highest commission for pushing whatever financial product is being promoted.
“GoldenmanSucks might be heinous, rotten, crooked, scumbag, scum-sucking, corrupt, most hated criminals but they are certainly not dummies.
All that and you forgot the most important label sewed on their Italian suits:
Profession & Ethical American “Bidness” CORPORATION
The teller at my old bank used to push the savings account on me because I “had a good checking account balance.” I tried to be polite, but I wanted to scream at her that she had no business mining my deposti/withdrawl information for marketing purposes.
And I can’t believe that BoA makes you sit through a 1/2 hour if you want to withdraw money. If they did that to me, I would say Fine, sit through the 1/2 hour, and then withdraw ALL my money.
I’m so glad I “moved my money” into a local bank.
http://www.philstockworld.com/2010/03/05/americas-commodity-crisis-2010-edition/
This is a very good explanation of how the commodity markets in general and oil in particular are being manipulated and the impact on the American Economy.
ADP Says U.S. Companies Unexpectedly Cut Payrolls
March 31 (Bloomberg) — Companies in the U.S. unexpectedly cut payrolls in March, according to data from a private report based on payrolls.
The 23,000 decline was the smallest in two years and followed a revised 24,000 drop the prior month, data from ADP Employer Services showed today. Over the previous six months, ADP’s initial figures have overstated the Labor Department’s first estimate of private payroll losses by as little as 2,000 in February to as much as 151,000 in November.
Stop-clocked economists’ comment:
Unexpectedly
Unexpectedly
Unexpectedly
Unexpectedly
Unexpectedly
Unexpectedly
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Economists = most frequently surprised profession in the history of mankind
market pulse
March 31, 2010, 8:25 a.m. EDT
March ADP shows continued job losses
By Greg Robb
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Companies in the U.S. private sector shed 23,000 jobs in March, according to the ADP employment report released Wednesday. The report comes two days before the Labor Department reports on nonfarm payroll growth for March. The decline in ADP employment was a surprise. Economists had forecast a gain of 40,000 in March ADP.
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Thank god for census workers, right?
Imagine how bad the numbers would be without them! Actually, the real Census hiring push starts in April. My daughter got called in to be an enumerator and starts in late April.
“…..shed 23000 jobs…..forecast a gain of 40,000.”
So essentially, they missed by 63,000. And add this to the previous “misses”.
Yeah, but really, 63,000 people are a rounding error in the bigger scheme of things. Unless you are one of them.
Are economists the most “unaccountable” profession in existence? You would think that some of these guys would be pounding the pavement, as bad they keep missing their numbers like this.
It’s a recession when your neighbor loses his job. It’s a depression when you lose yours.
So the dow will only be up like 50 points today?
Ah, the “unexpectedly” word not so unexpectedly rears it foul head.
How will you know the great recession is really over?
When “unexpectedly” disappears from the economics reports.
Silver lining: Lower T-bond yields = lower govt financing costs…
Bond Report
March 31, 2010, 8:52 a.m. EDT
Treasurys gain after ADP private-sector disappointment
By Deborah Levine, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Treasury prices gained on Wednesday, pressuring yields, after a sampling of ADP payrolls data showed private employers cut 23,000 jobs in March, worse than economists’ expectations that there would have been growth of 40,000.
Yields on 10-year notes (UST10Y 3.86, -0.01, -0.21%) fell 3 basis points to 3.84%.
Yields on 2-year notes (UST2YR 1.06, +0.02, +1.83%) decreased 4 basis points to stand at 1.02%.
Bond prices move inversely to their yields. A basis point is 0.01%.
The drop in ADP payrolls calls into question predictions that the Labor Department’s nonfarm-payrolls report due out Friday, one of the most important economic data points for financial markets, will show big gains for March, even accounting for the bounceback from severe weather last month and for temporary hiring by the Census Bureau.
“Clearly ADP is disappointing to the growth mongers and challenges the fear of a strong ‘clean’ report this Friday,” said CRT Capital Group. “The market is making gains on this.”
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I continue to scratch my head over this.
Dumb question - aren’t unemployment insurance trust funds generally invested heavily in U.S. treasuries? If so - then wouldn’t higher-than-expected payouts from said trust funds result in lower-than-expected demand for treasuries, and thus higher treasury yields?
Worse than expected economic results = increased investor demand for govt securities, due to flight-to-quality moves.
Small wonder so many economic data releases turn out “worse than expected”…
impossible Bill Gross says the bond market bull ride is over and buy his new stock fund
inflate or die
Remember that Gross makes his dough by purchasing bonds cheap and selling them dear. If he convinces the markets that a selloff is imminent, he can snap up a few at fire sale prices, then resell for a premium the next time the stock market takes a dive.
Churn is good.
Make the markets go up and down, and herd the panicked sheeple from one asset at its peak to another. They keep shelling out fees only to get into “the next big thing” when its about to crash, and the people in charge get to buy up assets on the cheap, sell things off to the suckers at high prices, and make money on the fees. What a system!
Bill Gross needs to buy a new face.
The NY Times on foreclosures — the problem of strategic default needs to be addressed by writing down principal, the columnast says.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/strategic-defaults-lessons-from-the-great-depression/?hp#preview
“The home foreclosure process begins when a homeowner stops making his mortgage payments, so the major policy question is how to get homeowners to pay.”
Should that be the major policy question? What is the goal here?
“One school of thought is that mortgage payments are too high to be ‘affordable,’ and if the government could arrange for payments that were a more reasonable fraction of the borrower’s income, homeowners would make their payments and keep their homes. As I explained last week, this idea is the cornerstone of federal mortgage modification programs, under both the Bush and the Obama administrations.”
“The other school of thought is that ‘affordability’ cannot be so rigidly defined, and that the vast majority of homeowners — even many of the unemployed — would make their mortgage payments if they had enough incentives to do so. In this view, most foreclosures are cases of ’strategic default.’”
There seems to be a consensus emerging that the only problem with slavery in the U.S. is that it was racially discriminatory.
The goal is free houses to everyone who supported Obama! Plus, on the other side of the aisle, free houses to old conservatives in strategic states, like Florida.
The problem of strategic default needs to be addressed by encouraging underwater borrowers to do it sooner, rather than later. The thought of someone who bought at the peak, paying on a 400K MTG for a house that’s worth 200K just makes my eyes roll back in my head. These people need to default, and need to do it quickly. It’s called “cutting your losses”, and businesses across the country do it every day of the week.
Right now, we have 2 standards.. One for banks and other businesses (where defaulting would be called a “good decision” or “strategically important”) and the other for the “regular citizens” (where defaulting is “morally wrong” or “shows bad character”).
Nevermind that the banks and businesses are the ones who are actually in a much better position to pay on their loans.. It’s mind boggling that the country allows this craziness to persist.
If you’re way underwater, you need to default.. The sooner the better.
+1
“homeowners — even many of the unemployed — would make their mortgage payments if they had enough incentives to do so.”
My thought on incentives is you make payments, you stay. You do not make payments, you got to go.
Good, good….
We need to find a way for more unemployed people to buy houses! Don’t let income - or lack of income - stop you from “owning” the house you “deserve!”
Maybe we should just take the money from the evil savers, most of whom don’t agree with Crony Capitalism and don’t support Bailouts?!
Indian outsourcers eye bonanza from US healthcare bill
NEW DELHI (AFP) – Indian outsourcing firms are banking on a business bonanza from US President Barack Obama’s landmark healthcare reform as cost pressures prod insurers and hospitals to become more efficient.
“The influx of newly insured represents a big, exciting opportunity for the industry,” Ananda Mukerji, chief executive officer of Firstsource Solutions, which was an early outsourcing mover in the US healthcare market, told AFP.
“These 32 million Americans represent a considerable rise in consumption of healthcare services and the legislation is especially significant with its new limits on how much can be spent on administrative costs,” he told AFP.
–found at yahoo news
I’d like to see Physical therapy, physical exams, etcetera outsourced. If that happens, I will be a believer (not in any imaginary friend though).
They’ll do it by Internet, silly. Just wait.
The Chinese thought the same about making a windfall on the wind power in the Stimulus Package. Senator Schumer was on that quicker than he is on a camera, which is pretty darn quick. Result: they’re working on new regs(?) for no gov stimulus money overseas. It wouldn’t surprise me if they did the same with Medicare or gov subsidies.
“…as cost pressures prod insurers and hospitals to become more efficient….”
Exactly. They will outsource before they actually try to order their own house.
Ah the good ol’ government and people who trust it
Creative Ways Of Hiding Debt
* New Hampshire took $110 million from a medical malpractice insurance pool to “balance its budget”. The State Supreme Court said put it back.
* Colorado tried to grab a $500 million surplus from Pinnacol Assurance, a state workers’ compensation insurer that was privatized in 2002.
* Hawaii went to a four-day school week.
* Connecticut tried to issue its own accounting rules.
* California is making companies pay 70 percent of their 2010 taxes by June 15.
* New Jersey and other states make their budgets look balanced by pushing debts into the future. While Greece used a type of foreign-exchange trade to hide debt, the derivatives popular with states and cities have been interest-rate swaps, contracts to hedge against changing rates.
The federal government is using Monopoly money so what the hell.
“Rosebud…The O.C.”
Dec 6th 1994: “Behind the Orange Curtain”
The Orange County funds, managed by Citron, were worth $8 billion. However, Citron went out to the repo market and leveraged the County Pools to amounts ranging from 158% to over 292%. To obtain this degree of leverage, he used treasury bonds as collateral. Profits of the fund were excessive for a period of time and Citron resorted to concealing the excess earnings. He pleaded guilty to improperly transferring securities from the Orange County General Fund to the Orange County Treasury Commingled Pool.
As controller of the various Orange County funds, Citron had taken a highly leveraged position using repurchase agreements (repos) and floating rate notes (FRNs). The loss incurred by the usage of these financial instruments reached the amount of $2 billion and was caused by being too highly leveraged for rising federal interest rates. In other words, if federal interest rates had not risen, the massive trading position would have been a substantially profitable position; if interest rates did rise, the trading position would result in substantial losses. In fact, rates rose.
The county’s finances were not suspect until February 1994. The Federal Reserve Bank began to raise US interest rates, causing many securities in Orange County’s investment pools to fall in value. As a result, dealers were requesting extra margin payments from Orange County. These extra margin payments were funded in part by another bond issue made by Orange County; the size of that bond issue was $600 million. However, this fix proved to be only temporary. In December 1994, Credit Suisse First Boston (CSFB) realized what was going on and blocked the “rolling over” of $1.25 billion in repos (”rollover” essentially means issuing of another repo when the previous one ends, but, at the new prevailing interest rate). At that point Orange County was left with no recourse other than to file for bankruptcy.
Citron pled guilty to six felony counts and three special enhancements. Charges also included filing a false and misleading financial summary to participants purchasing securities in the Orange County Treasury Investment Pool.
While in bankruptcy, every county program budget was cut, about 3,000 public employees were discharged, and all services were reduced. Citron was ordered to serve five years of supervised probation, and to perform 1000 hours of community service. Citron did not serve any time in prison.
“California is making companies pay 70 percent of their 2010 taxes by June 15.”
I get that its estimated taxes, of course, but wow… the margin of error on that one could be staggering.
Combo:
Credit is Dead. Long Live Cash!
Why the return of a cash economy is good for consumers and businesses alike.
By Daniel Gross | NEWSWEEK
Published Mar 24, 2010
From the magazine issue dated Apr 5, 2010
Cheap and plentiful credit has powered the U.S. economy for decades. But since the financial crisis of 2008, America has gone on a drastic debt diet. Just as families are paying down credit-card debt and building up cash reserves, businesses large and small are learning to operate in an environment where cash once again is king.
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Oh what a feeling to have enough cash to live without a job!
My government securities will give me seven years.
My government securities will give me seven years.
Until the government defaults
My precious metals holdings would then go up several times in spot price and make up for the loss.
Always hedge yourself in opposite investment classes.
My precious metals holdings would then go up several times in spot price and make up for the loss.
Just ribbing ya, BiLA. I’m right there with you (well, minus the treasuries).
So how is that deleveraging going again? Is it actually happening in the aggregage?
I’m about to pay cash for a major purchase for my business. In essence, I’m borrowing the money from the Bank of Me. And I’m challenging myself to see how quickly I can earn back the money to repay this loan.
No credit crunch here, folks!
When I tell people this is the way I run my business, they look at me like I have an arm growing out of my forehead.
What is so profitable about constantly making debt and interest payments? I guess the ability to gamble with somebody else’s money and screw them over by going bankrupt if your plan doesn’t work.
Didn’t we just read that the savings rate went down for the first time in several years?
…More redneck terror…
NASHVILLE, Tenn.— A 70-year-old Nashville man was accused of ramming his sport utility vehicle several times into the back of a vehicle that had a Obama/Biden bumper sticker. Harry K. Weisiger, a retiree, made obscene gestures and pointed at the campaign sticker for President Barack Obama and running mate Joe Biden before he smashed into schoolteacher Mark Duren’s car, police said. Weisiger has been charged with reckless endangerment, leaving the scene of the accident and refusing to take a field sobriety test.
The incident appears to be among the overheated partisan political atmosphere, including death threats sent to members of Congress and their families who supported health care reform.
Duren had picked up his 10-year-old daughter from school Thursday when he stopped near the Belmont University campus. An SUV pulled up behind his Toyota Camry and the driver began honking and gesturing angrily toward the bumper sticker, The Tennessean reported.
“I raised my hands palms up and shrugged. He then eased up behind my car so I could only see the grille of his SUV and blew his car horn, nonstop,” Duren told the newspaper.
As Duren drove home, the SUV’s driver continued making gestures and pointing at the sticker, according to a police report.
The driver, identified by Nashville police as Weisiger, accelerated and crashed into the bumper, directly over the sticker.
Duren tried to calm his frightened daughter as he stopped and Weisiger rammed it again, trying to push it off the road, police said. After a few more pushes, the SUV sped away and Duren called 911.
A neighbor followed the SUV to a grocery store, where police said they found Weisiger trying to pop a breath mint and insisting that he had “not much” to drink.
Weisiger’s acquaintances described him as a responsible businessman and a father of four with no history of violent behavior.
“He was just a loyal employee, with no previous incidents of any sort like the one being described,” said Patrick Parker, spokesman for Hardaway Construction Corp., where Weisiger worked for 25 years before retiring in 2008. “You never know, I guess.”
…How many more times must we hear about such tragedies before the Government does the right thing and confiscates all guns?
Tit for tat:
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/mar/11/nation/na-roadrage11
“Winkler told police he got upset with the woman, 35-year-old Michelle Fernandez, after she made an obscene gesture…”
My guess, it wasn’t the Shrub sticker, it was the Century 21 “Buy Now!” sign she flashed at him.
And another tit for tat…
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/10/Hillsborough/Bumper_sticker_evokes.shtml
Published March 10, 2005
TAMPA - Politics has always been divisive, splitting families and turning friend against friend.
This week, though, a Tampa woman learned that simple Bush-Cheney bumper sticker can bring trouble, if not danger, from a total stranger.
Police say Michelle Fernandez, 35, was chased for miles Tuesday by an irate 31-year-old Tampa man who cursed at her as he held up an anti-Bush sign and tried to run her off the road.
His sign, about the size of a business letter, read:
Never Forget Bush’s Illegal Oil War Murdered Thousands in Iraq.
“I guess this was a disgruntled Democrat,” Tampa Police spokesman Joe Durkin said. “Maybe he has that sign with him so he’s prepared any time he comes up against a Republican.”
Police arrested Nathan Alan Winkler at his home on N Cleveland Street near Hyde Park within an hour of the incident.
After finding the antiwar sign in his car, they booked him into the county jail on one count of aggravated stalking, a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison, Durkin said.
It’s the same incident as your other link.
Doh! Thanks.
Just wanted to show a numbskull that neither side of the political spectrum has any absence of idiots.
‘Police arrested Nathan Alan Winkler’
Ayyyyyyyyy!
the Government does the right thing and confiscates all guns?
I hope you are being sarcastic. Govt needs to be afraid of a well armed populace.
Wolverines!
Go Blue!
…How many more times must we hear about such tragedies before the Government does the right thing and confiscates all guns?”
sounds like they need to confiscate all cars
…How many more times must we hear about such tragedies before the Government does the right thing and confiscates all guns?”
sounds like they need to confiscate all cars
….or at least all bumper stickers!
This is one reason I have never put a bumper sticker, Jesus/Darwin fish or any other controversial doodad on my car.
Bingo. Not like I’m going to change anyone’s mind by having a sticker, and I sure can’t see the sticker when I’m driving.
Well I prouldy display my anti-Obama sticker on my bumper: “a taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders”. A friend made it before the election and it will stay on the bumper till it rots off.
Back in ‘64 when I was five years old my parents had a Goldwater bumper sticker on their car. Someone tried to force us off the road.
Out came the razer blade and off came the bumper sticker.
No personalized license plate for me either. I like to blend in with a boring looking car and boring paint job on my car. No one would care to remember my vehicle. I want to keep it that way.
Blend in like a good sheeple. Stay with the herd. Nobody willing to stand for anything anymore is how we got here.
And we have millions in this country that think that putting a sticker on a car actually means you stand for something. “Bring home the troops” ribbons, breast cancer ribbons, “Don’t blame me I voted for the Republicrat” stickers…on and on.
Standing for something means you’re actually trying to change it. Putting a sticker on your car? Phffffft. Doesn’t mean a thing.
“Duren had picked up his 10-year-old daughter from school…Duren tried to calm his frightened daughter as he stopped and Weisiger rammed it again,”
“TrueAnger™” …gives political lesson to a…4th grade girl…beware of “TruePurity™” men in SUV’s
(Hwy notes an alert cop would have check the volume & station that his radio was tuned to…)
Clearly these people were listening to Disney radio.
It’s all understandable now.
guns? Seems to me that an SUV was the weapon of choice in this story. Or is my irony detector failing?
RE: People hesitating to buy due to worries about withdrawal of government support
I was at a social gathering last night, and had a conversation with a fellow renter. He wondered where I thought the housing market was headed, and I answered him with a question:
“Do you believe the the Fed and other parts of the federal government will follow through with their announced plans to unwind their housing market price support programs?”
His answer: “No.”
He agreed with me that it doesn’t make sense to buy so long as Uncle Sam is artificially propping up prices, and that any action to phase out a government price support program is likely to be accompanied by another one to enact a new price support program to replace the one that was just eliminated.
Next we moved on to the subject of walkaways; friend and I were wondering if your credit rating incurs more damage if you get foreclosed or if you walk away. We asked another guy, who suggested you get off more lightly by walking away from a home than if the bank forecloses. The other guy also agreed that Uncle Sam is unlikely to withdraw its housing market price supports unless it replaces them with still bigger, notwithstanding any announcements to the contrary.
My friend is a mechanical engineer, and the other fellow we asked about the credit rating impact of foreclosure vrs walkaways is a banker.
Tentative conclusions:
1) Smart people can see through fake announcements about plans to phase out government price support programs.
2) Only stupid people are likely to fall for Machiavellian trickery.
3) If the government actually does follow through on announced plans to phase out housing price support programs, there is likely to be an extra downside impact, due to the expectations shock over actions that actually follow their announcement.
* March 30, 2010, 3:51 PM ET
Fed’s Housing Exit Leaves 50/50 Chance of a Dip
By Tiernan Ray
The Federal Reserve Board is set to end its purchase of mortgage-backed securities tomorrow, at a time when the experts are not sure if the housing market’s rebound can sustain itself.
The Fed’s exit is expected to push up mortgage rates, which could weaken demand from buyers.
Following a surprisingly strong report on home prices in January, according to the S&P Case-Shiller Home Price Index, this morning, the index’s co-creator, Robert Shiller was on Bloomberg television today to discuss the risks still weighing on the market.
“We had a real sharp recovery starting a year ago, and it’s still going up on a seasonally adjusted basis, but it’s gotten weaker,” said Shiller.
“… [the outlook is] kinda iffy right now. The big cloud on the horizon is the withdrawal of government support for the housing market. I think people are in many places getting worried about that, and so they’re hesitating to buy.”
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I read the “50/50 chance” with the same degree of accuracy I interpert when an airplane crew states it will be a “one hour delay”. No one has any idea…
I take it that the writer plans to flip a penny to decide which way residential real estate prices are headed next?
They can’t end support for the market.
That would result in Terrible Things: affordable housing, banks having to recognize losses, etc.
No, no - far better to destroy the entire economy and the dollar in an effort to keep housing unaffordable. That’s what makes ‘merika strong!
America in the Red (with graphs showing the course of our debt)
“By 2020, the United States would owe more than $20 trillion (IMO this is a low ball figure), the equivalent of about 85% of GDP. At that point, interest payments alone would consume about $900 billion a year — almost five times as much as they did in 2009.”
THE ROAD TO DEFICIT REDUCTION
1) Set firm budget goals
2) To put the budget on sound footing, they will need to combine proposals to cut spending, increase revenues, and, where possible, boost growth
3) Any eventual solution must put spending cuts front and center.
4) Policymakers should recognize that different spending challenges require different approaches
5) Policymakers must understand that while some tax increases will almost certainly be required, not all taxes are created equal — and that which form the tax hikes take will make a big difference to our future prosperity. Taxes on income, for example, are usually worse for the economy than taxes on consumption.
6) Finally, our leaders should obey the first law of holes: When you are in one, stop digging. Unfortunately, the current climate in Washington encourages the exact opposite: Dig as fast as you can while there’s still time.
http://nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/america-in-the-red
I know, another freakin article about debt. Where are we going to find the leaders that will do these things? The Dems? The Repubs? Independents?This current trend cannot be sustained and I’m willing to support any that truly want to do something about it but IMO there is no incentive for any to do this.
Let me present first rule of incentives, WIIFM, as in Whats In It For Me? So if we tie the political elite’s retimements and benefits to our fiscal condition, then they will have the incentive to balance our budget.
Peace
Lip
Best advice today
Avoid buying house too soon
Prices will fall more
i checked houses I’m familiar with in half a dozen Calif zip codes this morning. All were up-down-up-down, but all had declined in Zestimate.. about 3 to 5%, one by 15%, over the last 30 days.
Someone will get lucky and buy lots of property just before it’s obvious to everyone the bottom has arrived.
It won’t be me. I will wait till prices are flat for 6 months or so.
“I will wait till prices are flat for 6 months or so.”
I’d rather be smart than lucky, too.
P.S. Besides the six-months of rock-bottom prices, I am also looking for these signs:
1) Everyone comes to agree that “Real estate is the worst investment.”
2) Blood in the streets.
3) Housing isn’t propped up by govt intervention.
I’m waiting ’till Zillow gives up and shuts down their site. That’s when I’m buyin’.
I’d never thought of people checking their house values all the time around 2005 being the equivalent of people checking their stock values every few minutes in 1999, but it sounds right.
For buyers, the whole thing has been a lesson in patience..
I shop Craigslist for various things and i swear sellers are only now beginning to feel the heat. After 3 years of watching the used RV market, I finally see a genuine bargain once in a while.
The weird thing is it makes me even more cautious. If i see one good deal today, I figure there has to be a lot more better ones coming down the road.
In the General Aviation aircraft market, that is the exact same thing that has been going on since late 2008.
Banks sitting on reposessed airplanes, competing with FBers, who are dumping their airplanes for financial/political reason (see GM, Chrysler, NYC Investment Banks).
There’s a bunch of people that have been holding off buying, thinking they might save a few hundred K, if they wait.
Since late last year, a bunch of people have started the buying process. This won’t show up in the data for a few months.
Saw a new billboard on the interstate today announcing over 100 RVs selling at absolute auction this weekend.
It will be interesting to see how low they go.
Housing Prices May Be Heading for a Double Dip
http://www.cnbc.com/id/36098637
(If duplicate, sorry.)
Job Seeking and the Gray-Haired Plump Group:
The Ugly Truth If You’re Old or Fat and Looking For Work -
First, let me tell you how health insurance actually works from the employer perspective, because most people simply don’t understand this.
You probably have a line on your pay stub that says something like “Health Insurance: $100″ or similar. You think that’s what it costs on your “group plan.”
You’re wrong.
The rules for deductibility of insurance expenses provided to employees are relatively simple but have profound implications. Specifically:
•Employers cannot charge differential deductions. That is, if I am going to hit your check for $50, I must hit everyone’s check for $50.
•The majority of the actual expense for any particular person must exceed half of the total for the premiums to be deductible.
But in point of fact employees are individually rated. That is, a 20 year old male with no medical problems - that is, in excellent health - might cost $200 a month in premiums. The same policy with the same coverage for a morbidly obese 60 year old woman on multiple medications for chronic conditions might cost $1,000 - or more.
The law says I cannot deduct more than $100 a month or I can’t write off the cost of the insurance against gross income (that is, I can’t take the expense pre-tax.) The law also says I can’t discriminate. Therefore, if I want to deduct the premium expenses (in total) pretax I cannot deduct more than $100 monthly for “health insurance.”
Now consider the 20 year old kid. He costs me, the employer, $100 for health benefits (he pays the other half.) But the obese woman costs me $900 - nine times as much!
The law says that I cannot ask you certain questions when you come in for an interview. For instance, I cannot ask if you have dependents, I cannot ask about your intention to have children (if you’re a woman) and a whole host of other topics. It is explicitly unlawful for me to make such inquiries, as they evidence potential for me to engage in illegal discrimination in hiring.
But if you think this sort of decision-making doesn’t go on - when the impact is over $8,000 per year between two employees in cost to the employer - you’re nuts. It most certainly does.
(From K. Denninger)
All the more reason why health insurance should be decoupled from employment.
Take, for example, the decision to hire an overweight fellow with a bit of a drinking problem. Yes, he’s a brilliant thinker, a hard worker, and he had quite a distinguished record in the war. He even managed to escape from the enemy after being captured, and, clever fellow, he did it right under the enemy’s nose.
Oh, I should also mention that he’s a bit moody. Even prone to depression. All of these factors, taken together, might lead you to decide against hiring this man.
And you would have passed on the opportunity to hire Winston Churchill.
“And you would have passed on the opportunity to hire Winston Churchill”
Yep, watch out for them log splitter, mosquitoe swatin’, melancholy disposition, lanky types.
“Ironically, Lincoln came to office with almost no prior war experience (and only modest political experience.) He described his military preparation as being a militia man, swatting mosquitoes during the Black Hawk Indian war.
At war, he was up against a Confederate president, Jefferson Davis, who had West Point and Secretary of War credentials.”
I need workers as employees, not a bloviating politician even if the politician gains notoriety or fame. I would pass on Winston.
Yeah, but at least in my business, that is more than offset by the expensive stuff the 20-something breaks/screws up/damages/ gets himself into, but can’t get out of, vs. a 50 something that has his s##t together.
This is, of course, assuming that you can get the 20-something to show up consistently, and on time.
This is, of course, assuming that you can get the 20-something to show up consistently, and on time.
Speak the truth!
I know of more than one employer who’s had major problems with getting the kids to show up on time. OTOH, the older folks have a tendency to show up before it’s time to start work. Which means that when work time is upon them, they’re ready to go.
My son , at one of his previous jobs, told me about the company president visiting - the pres said he didn’t care how they dressed or whatever, as long as they came to work every day on time and stayed the whole day.
Unfortunately, my son didn’t go to work enough…
He’s a bit wiser now and he has an excellent attendance record at his current job.
I was very lucky to work for two great companies that didn’t care how you looked. All they cared about was you showing up on time and doing the work you were being paid for.
The DH is going back to work part-time at the job retired from a year ago. Lots of unemployment here but they can’t seem to find or keep anyone. The kids are drifters who want to start at the top, and jump from job to job, or get busted for DUI and whatnot.
I was just thinking something of the same. Workers who are in their fifties and have been holding down jobs successfully in a needed category can bring a lot more productivity and knowledgeto the fore for their employers than your average strung-out, hungover, whiny 20-year old. Plus, we already know how to dress for business and don’t watch “Lost” episodes all day on our computers when we’re supposed to be sweating out the phone calls etc. ( True story ). And, ususally, we take less training time if we’re still bright, even if we’re plump, gray, and female. So enjoy dealing with attitudinous, untrained, and sometimes lazy 20-year olds. Good luck at keeping your business open with too much “quality” staff like that.
Amen, Silverback.
On the other hand, you know the overweight 60 year old woman is not going to take maternity leave.
Somewhat relevant story, because we’ve talked about abandoned boats and other property here:
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Florida-Man-Gets-Googled-and-Arrested-89545317.html
Someone spotted a boat that had been dumped/abandoned. Using google earth they were able to spot the boat in its original position at someone’s house nearby….
Google Earth only ever gives me about a four-year-old photo. Do they ever plan on updating it, or are we supposed to be so awed by the technology that we never notice?
Yeah, 4-5 years old is right. The photo of my area is tfrom when they were putting the sewer through our land and across the common area next door in 2005. A huge scar on the land - good thing I’m not trying to sell.
Bubble-era housing developments crowd out San Diego balloonists:
Balloonists’ sinking feeling
Landing, environmental issues spur crackdown by San Diego
By Mike Lee, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 at 9:26 p.m.
The city of San Diego accuses balloonists of trespassing, environmental damage and parking in undesignated areas.
Sean M. Haffey / Union-Tribune
Hot-air balloon operators typically launch in Encinitas, Solana Beach and northern San Diego and land in the Carmel Valley or the Black Mountain area.
Hot-air balloons have drifted over Carmel Valley for more than three decades, giving tourists and locals sunset rides few can forget.
But the image of balloons silhouetted against the multihued sky may fade into the past as San Diego city officials clamp down on operators who allegedly violate land-use rules in the Black Mountain area. The City Attorney’s Office said problems include trespassing, environmental damage, doing business without a permit and parking in undesignated areas.
The demise of the region’s ballooning industry has been predicted for at least a decade, as increasing development in North County reduced the area for safe landings. The current conflict threatens to force out the handful of companies that operate balloons and flocks of visitors from around the world who enjoy the evening breezes aloft.
“It’s driving them away,” said Robert Griscom, an aviation attorney representing a balloonist charged with misdemeanor trespassing by San Diego. “I guess that’s what the city wants.”
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..as increasing development in North County reduced the area for safe landings…
Them environmental laws sure are versatile. Shall we stop development or hot air balloons? Take your pick.
“Balloonists have scraped their gondolas across sensitive vegetation, passengers have trampled rare plants, and fences and signs have been removed or destroyed in the process, Fonseca said.”
Not to be insensitive to the environment here, but there is very little these balloonists do that can be anywhere near as harmful as all the new housing developments and new commerical buildings thrown up over the past ten years.
I guess they’ll ban the wildfires too?
I guess they’ll ban the wildfires too?”
no can’t that’s how Firemen get those big overtime paychecks 3 years before they retire thereby jacking up the next 30 years of retirement pay
Cactus,
Overtime is NOT counted in the pension calculations. It’s base pay that is used.
Yesterday evening, I attended a lecture by Dallas fed president Richard Fisher. It was before a standing room only crowd at the University of Arizona business school. Key points:
1. There’s no immediate plan to raise interest rates. And Fisher pointed out his reputation as a strong dissenter against the cuts that have gotten us down to a ZIRP. But, his hawkish perspective notwithstanding, he doesn’t think that the time is right for raising rates.
2. All those junky MBS that the Fed bought? Well, there’s no timetable on selling that stuff. He hinted that there is a market for it, but, as I mumbled to the acquaintance sitting next to me, “Who’s gonna buy it?” I don’t see the circling buzzards that would be interested in it, but maybe I don’t have a strong enough pair of binoculars.
3. In response to a local community banker’s concerns about the developing CRE meltdown, he seemed a bit too calm. I couldn’t help thinking that he was calm like a duck, which you see moving placidly along the surface of a pond. What you don’t see is the duck’s feet, paddling furiously. He pointed out that the community banks were heavily involved in strip shopping center lending, rather than big office towers. Well, guess what, folks, here in AZ, there are a lot of newly built strips that are waiting for the retailing equivalent of Godot.
4. Since the crowd was overwhelmingly UA business students, he recommended JK Galbraith’s book, A Short History of Financial Euphoria, as a way of understanding what we’re experiencing now. He also encouraged the students to study the history of the Long Depression.
“In response to a local community banker’s concerns about the developing CRE meltdown, he seemed a bit too calm. I couldn’t help thinking that he was calm like a duck, which you see moving placidly along the surface of a pond. What you don’t see is the duck’s feet, paddling furiously.”
1. A closely watched pot never boils over.
2. A constantly stirred pot never freezes over.
“Since the crowd was overwhelmingly UA business students, he recommended JK Galbraith’s book, A Short History of Financial Euphoria, as a way of understanding what we’re experiencing now.”
For a sequel, I recommend the rent the movie, Groundhog Day.
2. A constantly stirred pot never freezes over.
How do you make ice cream?
1. A closely watched pot never boils over.
Interestingly, I have always heard this as ‘a watched pot never boils’, meaning, I think, being impatient makes something seem to take longer. Especially if you’re constantly taking the lid off the pot to check.
I’m not sure I understand what your version of the saying means. One should keep a close eye on things? Is it pro-regulation?
“In January of 1879, the United States returned to the gold standard which it had abandoned during the Civil War, the gold standard put a floor to the deflation, and this was further boosted by especially good agricultural production in 1879″
Gold & Food… anyone here have a comment?
“I couldn’t help thinking that he was calm like a duck, which you see moving placidly along the surface of a pond”.
You missed the Chinese guy in the nearby duck-blind with the 12 gauge loaded with bird-shot.
You caught me off guard with that one. Thanks, I needed the laugh.
2. All those junky MBS that the Fed bought? Well, there’s no timetable on selling that stuff. He hinted that there is a market for it, but, as I mumbled to the acquaintance sitting next to me, “Who’s gonna buy it?” I don’t see the circling buzzards that would be interested in it, but maybe I don’t have a strong enough pair of binoculars.
Bull****. (on Fisher’s part, not yours)
This data says there is no market for MBS (outside of course of government agencies):
Non-agency mortgage security issuance:
1996 51.9
1997 69.4
1998 191.9
1999 140.5
2000 101.7
2001 218.8
2002 288.5
2003 440.6
2004 532.7
2005 901.2
2006 917.4
2007 773.9
2008 45.0
2009 31.9
That really shows how it was the PRIVATE market (not the GSEs) that were making the riskiest loans. People keep trying to make the GSEs the prime culprits in this “crisis,” but it was the “innovation” in the private market that really threw fuel on the fire.
Life in sinking Central Arizona:
Town employees told to sacrifice work hours to reduce government budget.
Taxation without representation: Town sewer authority taxes residents w/o providing service.
More main street shops closing, while:
Town council dithers over what kind of merchant signage is permissible.
Gas stations, alcohol sales, and reservation run smoke shops sole benefactors in the downturn.
Pedophilia, dope dealing, spousal abuse, and law enforcement/adjudication are the area growth industries. More often than not the vices of the law breakers and the law defenders are similar, but cops charged when caught DUI? Ain’t gonna happen unless they hurt someone.
Are all of McSame’s x7 homes in AZ?
Ria, are you here in Tucson?
What does the Fed have in store to stabilize mortgage rates after they stop buying MBS?
This morning I heard a guy on NPR put it this way: “If I found out ahead of time that I would have no dinner tonight, then I would still go hungry at meal time, even though I knew in advance that I wouldn’t be eating.”
I trust the Fed will devise another way to intravenously pump liquidity into the mortgage market when they stop purchasing MBS.
How Will the Fed’s MBS Exit Affect Mortgage Rates?
Mar 31 2010, 10:57 AM ET
Today marks the end of the Federal Reserve’s $1.25 trillion mortgage security shopping spree. There has been a broad spectrum of opinion on what this means for mortgage rates, and ultimately, the mortgage market. Which argument is more compelling?
Mortgage Rates Will Rise
Late last year, the predominant view was that mortgage rates would increase significantly once the Fed removed its support of mortgage bonds. I explained why in posts from November and December. The general idea is this: if there’s no one to pick up the slack on buying mortgage securities once the Fed stops, then banks won’t have as easy a time obtaining funding for originating more mortgages. That would drive up mortgage interest rates, since they would probably have to rely on investors, who are still wary about mortgage-backed securities (MBS) after getting burned during the housing boom and will demand a lofty premium for the perceived risk and uncertainty.
So if the private market can’t step in to make up the Fed’s buying, then mortgage interest rates should rise. If the Fed decides to begin selling some of the mortgage securities it purchased during its buying binge, that could make matters worse. More than $1 trillion in MBS could flood market supply, making new issuance more difficult.
Mortgage Rates Will Be Unaffected
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* MARCH 31, 2010, 12:59 P.M. ET
End Of Fed’s Buying Prompts Some Selling In Mortgage Bonds
By Prabha Natarajan
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)–Risk premiums on mortgage-backed securities widened Wednesday as the Federal Reserve’s $1.25 trillion purchase program comes to an official end.
Trading volumes were muted but the market’s widening on the back of just a few sell orders raises concerns about its performance once the central bank fully leaves the market. The Fed has been the dominant, and at times sole, buyer since it launched the purchase program in late 2008.
“Other than some overseas buyers, there has been little interest in supply,” said Jeana Curro, strategist at RBS.
Risk premiums widened four basis points to 129.5 basis points over comparable Treasury yields Wednesday. This week, risk premiums have widened by nearly eight basis points.
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All I know is - I’m looking forward to seeing this head back up into sane territory again.
Let’s hear it for 1980!
Yes, it would be wonderful to see those rates again.
The smaller-than-expected U.S. stock market selloff rides the back of a dollar selloff on the FOREX market. From Bloomberg:
World Currencies
CURRENCY VALUE CHANGE % CHANGE TIME
EUR-USD 1.3536 0.0122 0.9077% 12:09
GBP-USD 1.5196 0.0126 0.8394% 12:09
USD-CHF 1.0522 -0.0144 -1.3458% 12:08
USD-SEK 7.1983 -0.0737 -1.0130% 12:08
USD-DKK 5.4991 -0.0517 -0.9314% 12:08
USD-NOK 5.9377 -0.0533 -0.8901% 12:08
USD-CZK 18.7750 -0.2005 -1.0566% 12:09
USD-SKK 22.2510 -0.2096 -0.9332% 12:08
USD-PLN 2.8520 -0.0350 -1.2140% 12:09
USD-HUF 196.1330 -2.7225 -1.3691% 12:09
USD-RUB 29.4170 -0.0900 -0.3050% 12:08
USD-TRY 1.5185 -0.0116 -0.7565% 12:08
USD-ILS 3.6920 -0.0190 -0.5120% 12:08
‘Luxury Is Not Dead’ as Greubel Sells for $490,000 (Update1)
March 31 (Bloomberg) — Samantha von Sperling realized luxury shoppers had regained some of their confidence last month when her clients began booking $16,000 weekend excursions to Manhattan that included Jean Georges dinners and shopping sprees at Barneys and Giorgio Armani.
Von Sperling’s company, Polished Social Image Consultants, charges $3,000 a day for services from personal shopping to advice on dining etiquette. While the uptick is welcome, she said, it can’t compare with pre-recession days, when clients dropped as much as $100,000 in 48 hours.
“It’s still not bling-bling,” said Von Sperling, 38. “It’s a little more subdued. The budgets aren’t as big, yet.”
With the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index up 73 percent from last year’s low and Wall Street bonuses rising in tandem, the big spenders who vanished during the recession have returned to Rolls-Royce dealerships, high-end antique dealers and Madison Avenue boutiques. They are ready to spend, if a little chastened, shop owners and analysts say.
Tiffany, Nordstrom, Bergdorf
“As we get into the spring, things seem to be loosening up a lot,” said Benjamin Macklowe, vice president of Macklowe Gallery, a Madison Avenue outfit that sells French art nouveau furniture and Tiffany lamps that can cost up to $3.5 million. “There’s just a lot of pent-up demand amongst the well-to-do to have beautiful things.”
The return of well-heeled shoppers is lifting the fortunes of luxury retailers and manufacturers. In February, sales at stores open at least a year rose 10 percent at Seattle-based Nordstrom Inc., which offers a Be & D leather purse for $1,190. Revenue at New York-based jewelry chain Tiffany & Co., whose Lucida three-carat diamond ring sells for $169,500, surged 17 percent in the quarter ended Jan. 31. Bergdorf Goodman’s two New York stores, owned by Dallas-based Neiman Marcus Group Inc., posted a 9 percent sales gain for the same three months and sell Manolo Blahnik calfskin sandals for $765.
“For the most part, people feel we have turned the corner,” said John Long, partner at Kurt Salmon Associates, a New York retail consulting firm. “People have been wearing the same thing for a year or more. They want something new.”
In Greenwich, Connecticut, home of many Wall Street executives, luxury retailers say shoppers began tiptoeing back in November. Roberto Chiappelloni, 59, is one beneficiary. His Manfredi Jewels, in the premier shopping district on Greenwich Avenue, recently sold a Greubel Forsey watch for $490,000. Sales since December have doubled from the same period last year and rising compensation on Wall Street is driving traffic, he says.
Not including stock options and other types of deferred pay, Wall Street dished out $20.3 billion in bonuses in 2009, up 17 percent from a year earlier, according to the New York State Comptroller.
Man, I really despise these financial sector parasites.
National Review: Foreclosures Will Solve Housing
by Larry Kudlow
March 30, 2010
With everybody focused on health care, and its new entitlement spending and taxing, the administration has tried to sneak in another bailout for housing. Yet again, Team Obama is rewarding reckless behavior, punishing the 90 percent of responsible homeowners who are making good on their mortgages, and setting up a greater moral hazard that will surely lead to an expansion of bailout nation.
I’m talking about an add-on to HAMP, the $75 billion Home Affordable Modification Program, which has been a dismal failure. In fact, the entire foreclosure-prevention effor—– including forgiveness of mortgage-loan principa—– has been a failure.
The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency reports that nearly 60 percent of modified mortgages re-default within a year. And now comes a new brilliant idea that if you live in your main residence, have a mortgage balance of less than $729,750, owe monthly mortgage payments that are not affordable (meaning greater than 31 percent of income), and you demonstrate a financial hardship, the government will subsidize you by offering TARP money to banks and other lenders to reduce your outstanding mortgage balance.
Former Bush economist Keith Hennessey highlights the outrage that Team Obama would actually subsidize people making up to $186,000 a year who have a mortgage balance of over $700,000. This isn’t even a middle-class entitlement. It’s an upper-middle-class entitlement. Actually, at $186,000, it’s virtually a top-earner entitlement, according to Team Obama’s definition of rich people eligible for tax hikes.
I mean, for a measly $14,000 more in income, the White House will jack up your top personal tax rate and your capital-gains tax rate. But now, for just less than $200,000, you get a brand new spiffy forgiveness plan for your mortgage.
It’s a complete outrage.
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And don’t forget the new “Student Aid” bill. I read that after 20 yrs. your remainder of the loan is pretty much forgiven. I mean once again the working class people who didn’t make it to College will subsidize the privileged ones.
Stop thinking “college vs. non-college, us vs. them” and start thinking like a banker.
What this does is encourage as many people as possible to take as large a loan as possible (as previously the repayment term was 10 years max), and pay the minimum possible, thus encouraging the greatest amount of ‘take’ in interest. Kinda like the people that are taking 15 year fixed vs. 50 year fixed mortgages. The point is to reinflate the student loan/college bubble. Think college is expensive now? It will get more expensive as loans become easier to get and payment terms are extended 20 years.
The losers in this game are the people that get a loan and pay on it for 20 years for a college education that, for most of them, pays less than had they gone to trade school and learned how to do something that can’t be offshored. I’d also suggest that you stop thinking a college education is a ticket out of the working class, but that is just me…
But we punished the banksters right?
I thought the whole intention of this bill was to punish the banksters.
Good points about the college education and working class. Obama believes College education is good thing and everybody should have access to it. I mean he’s been so right about everything else, how dare I doubt that premise now?
HEHEHE, thats rational thinking for a bureaucrat. The law of unintended consequences.
So maybe we should all default on our houses in order to pay our future medical insurance premiums (taxes).
Question: Who will be hired first under the new Obamacare Medical Plan? 16,500 IRS Agents or the bureacrats that will tell our doctors how to apply medical services?
…or the bureacrats that will tell our doctors how to apply medical services?
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Are you referring to the insurance companies?
There’s the problem right here:
America’s Standard of Living Unsustainable
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/u.s.-standard-of-living-unsustainable-without-drastic-action-former-top-govt.-accountant-says-458329.html?tickers=%5Edji,%5Egspc,dia,spy,tlt,IXJ,xlv&sec=topStories&pos=8&asset=36810cfdd36e07d0d04f670a8a98381c&ccode=mp
“David Walker says America’s growing long-term debt is dangerously close to passing a “tipping point” that could trigger soaring interest rates and a plummeting dollar. In a worst case scenario, that could trigger a “global depression,” he says, warning: “Nobody’s going to bail out America.”
So, when do we pass the elusive “tipping point”? Or have we already passed the tip?
When the bank masters decide it’s time for Obama to lose the election then Bernanke will stop doing what he’s been doing. That’s the tipping point. Until then party on…..
“Institutional bond traders, like my bank trader friend who runs $1 billion in bonds for a city, are on what is best termed a “buyer’s strike”, and have been for months now. My view is we are already in a bear market in bonds, one that is set to accelerate drastically. Bond traders are probably more ruthless than equity traders, generally speaking. They take less risk, which is why they focus on bonds. The bond traders are watching the equity market and won’t end their bond buying strike unless the equity market takes a solid hit. The bond traders are miserable right now. Not only are they on a buyer’s strike, they are losing money on their existing positions. Bottom line: They want the equity market to get hit. Bond auctions are starting to go bad. The US govt, the biggest issuer of bonds in the world, ironically needs the equity market to fall, to bring back bond buyers who would respond to the fall by buying bonds”.
~ Stewart Thomson ~ Graceland Updates
Soybeans plummet after report shows ample stockpile; 2010 likely to set new production record
NEW YORK (AP) — Soybeans led a big sell-off in grains trading Wednesday after the government reported that stockpiles of beans are larger than expected. The Agriculture Department also said 2010 looks to be another record year of production.
May soybeans fell 39.5 cents, or 4.1 percent, to $9.345 a bushel in midday trading. Wednesday’s slide was similar to the drop in early January after a crop report showed bigger-than-expected soybean production.
“They found more soybeans than (traders) ever imagined,” Richard Feltes, director of commodity research for MF Global, said of the USDA’s latest plantings report.
The department also said farmers intend to plant 78.1 million acres of soybeans in 2010. That would be less than 1 percent more than last year, but still set a new record.
Feltes noted that farmers will likely end up planting even more soybeans and corn than are estimated in the initial report. That would extend the pattern of the past two years. Corn for May delivery fell 8.25 cents, or 2.3 percent, to $3.4625 a bushel.
The USDA estimates farmers will plant 88.8 million acres of corn this year, a 3 percent jump from each of the past two years.
Wheat prices also fell, dropping 14.25 cents, or 3 percent, to $4.5775 a bushel.
Farmers expect to plant 9 percent less wheat in 2010, but they ended up planting 2 percent more winter wheat than previously estimated, the USDA said. A total of 53.8 million acres of wheat are expected to be planted this year.
Meanwhile, metals mostly rose as the dollar dropped. Metals including gold and silver.
larger than expected
Looks like our favorite word has unexpectedly struck again!
good.. maybe the price of soy nuts will fall. I bought a trail mix (toasted almonds, soy nuts, pumpkin seeds and dried cranberries) at Costco the other day.. yummy..crunchy.. can’t stop eating it.
WBUR
The Depreciating American Dream: Homebuyer’s Remorse
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By CURT NICKISCH
Published March 29, 2010
Owning a home has long played a significant role in the American story; the notion that buying a house is the stepping stone to wealth and happiness goes back a long time. But the housing bubble has burst, and many local homeowners are living in the shadow of the white picket fence. This is Part 1 of a WBUR series: The Depreciating American Dream.
The SANGSTER FAMILY in Mattapan · Photos by JESS BIDGOOD for WBUR
BOSTON — Calvin and Ateiya Sangster thought they were doing the right thing for their one-year-old son and unborn daughter, thought they were laying the foundation for a life of prosperity. Four years ago, they bought a condominium in Mattapan.
Soon after moving in, there was a candle in the driveway. Turns out, Ateiya’s coworker put it there.
“She happened to come to me and say, ‘Oh, you live at this address?’ ” Ateiya said. “And she’s like, ‘Yeah, I put that there for my brother. He was killed in your driveway.’ So, you know, it was kind of too late, we was already there when we started finding out a lot of things about the street.”
Things like the man who squatted in the foyer of their building. Or the addicts that rang their doorbell. They’d ask for one, two dollars, Ateiya says. Another time her wedding ring was stolen.
But none of that compared to the summer day when they had their windows open. Ateiya and Calvin heard two people arguing — right outside — on the sidewalk. They went to the window to see what was going on.
“They just started fighting and tussling,” Calvin said. “And once he had the guy on the ground he pulled out the gun and started shooting him with it.”
Their newborn daughter was in the room, too.
“And that’s where we were like, ‘We can’t keep her up here anymore,’ ” he said. “It’s just too much going on out here. I can’t wait to get off of this street.”
Now Calvin wonders why they were in such a hurry to get on the street — why they were in such a hurry to buy.
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Okay, this one’s got me going. I have a little personal experience here.
Six years ago, I moved into a neighborhood that could best be described as “transitional.” As in, the things that the Sangsters experienced have also happened around here.
So, some words of advice to people like the Sangsters:
1. Ya gonna move into a tough neighborhood? Then be tough. Make like the porcupine and grow yourself a set of quills. You’ll need them.
2. People tussling outside the door? Call frickin’ 911. Yes, I know. The cops. They’re not always on your side, but, hey, they beat the alternative, which is letting the crooks take over your neighborhood.
3. Addicts ringing the doorbell? Well, sweetie, you don’t have to answer the door. Don’t give these people money. Not even one cent. Because here’s how their scam goes: You open the door to them, and that gives them a chance to survey all the wonders that you have in your house. And that is none of their friggin’ business. Call 911 and report suspicious activity on your street. You don’t have to give your name. Matter of fact, when I call them, my name isn’t Arizona Slim. It’s Anonymous.
4. Form a neighborhood watch. Doesn’t have to be as formal as those watches with the signs. And it could consist of just you. On my block, I am the neighborhood watch. More than a few of my loutish neighbors have found this out the hard way, but too bad. Remember what I said about the porcupine’s spikes? I’m not afraid to throw mine when I have to. And I don’t care if inconsiderate jerks — which are heavily represented in the criminal or near-criminal element — don’t like me. I’m not depending on this neighborhood for friendships. My friends are all over this city and all over the world.
5. Here’s another thing about criminals, louts, and other tyeps of neighborhood vermin : They’re stupid. It’s not hard to out-think them. I do it all the time. It’s also quite interesting to see what happens when you stand up to them. Especially the bullies. In every case, I’ve found the bullies on my block to be paper tigers. I’ve never used physical force, and I haven’t always raised my voice, but I’ve managed to defeat them every time. More than a few of them are afraid of me. Which keeps them on their best behavior and me from reporting them to the authorities.
So, there you have it. Slim’s guide to surviving in tough areas.
tyeps
Oops. I need to get tough on my spelling. I meant to say “types.”
Kudos to you, Slim!
For those who are a little more tender than tough… well… crime stats are public record. (Preachin’ to the choir here:) Like all “investments”, you must DYODD before you buy. If you can’t find crime online, call the local police department and ask where and how they can be found.
My approach is just to look crazy.
Not sure if you’re joking, but I actually managed to get away from armed robbers doing that.
Another from that series:
The Depreciating American Dream, Part 3: Two Renting Couples, No Regrets
” “Initially, it’s a very powerful motivator to feel you should be buying,” Prashant says. “I realized I didn’t want to be the one who threw money away. Five years later people would be laughing at me, you threw money away, you were a fool.”
But Prashant and Meenal actually sat down to do the numbers, they realized they would be fools to buy.”
Link: www wbur org/2010/03/31/depreciating-dream-iii
Also like this part, from a couple who’ve rented the same place for 40 years:
“John figures they have more in the bank today than if they’d bought. The money they saved by paying cheap rent and never paying maintenance went into trips abroad, retirement savings and college funds. One son went to Bowdoin. The other to Boston College. Barbara wouldn’t change a thing about the life they lived as renters.
“Part of it, it’s not only the money you saved. You’ve had a virtually stress free living all these years,” she says.”
“The money they saved by paying cheap rent and never paying maintenance went into trips abroad, retirement savings and college funds.”
That’s where the money we don’t throw away on an unaffordable mortgage goes, too!
Wow — you have to feel for families like this one, who presumably were sucked in by the undertow of Uncle Sam’s efforts to turn all American households into home owner households.
The most amazing fact to me is that Uncle Sam remains in denial about the apparent folly of this effort.
Coming Home
Laid off, money was only going out. Month after month, one thought kept coming back to Calvin: How much cash would they have in the bank if they’d just kept renting in Dorchester from his grandmother? That vanished number, which he calculates is about $80,000, amazes him still.
And it pains him, too, because $80,000 happens to be about all his condo is worth today.
“I’ve been regretting owning for a long time now,” he said. “I really regret owning.”
Calvin knew he had to figure out how to get that debt, that regret, off his shoulders. He had to make things better for his family.
Six months ago, Calvin and Ateiya decided. They stopped paying the mortgage. They’re giving up the condo.
Last week the couple started painting a new rental apartment. Their new old one, really. Because this week they’re moving back into the same building where they used to rent. His grandmother’s still on the next floor. Rent is still $800. Calvin’s mom still lives around the corner.
She stopped by to check out their new start — and the fresh coat of paint. At first, she wasn’t sure about their color schemes, but she says she likes what they ended up with.
It was so obvious, Calvin says. But it was so hard to admit that buying was a bad decision. At first, it felt like he was going backwards, losing his house. But now, he feels like he took a big step forward by going back to renting.
“Back at the bottom of it, but I feel more comfortable being at the bottom of the stepping stone than where we were,” Calvin said. “I feel much more comfortable coming back here.”
It was a costly lesson. The Sangsters had to give up their own place in order to come home.
Delinquent Borrowers Catch Up on Insured Mortgages (Update2)
March 31 (Bloomberg) — Borrowers who caught up on overdue mortgages outnumbered people who became newly delinquent on insured home loans for the first time in almost four years. PMI Group Inc. led mortgage insurers higher in New York trading.
In February, 68,675 homeowners with privately insured mortgages fell into default, compared with 80,758 who got back on track, a report today from the Washington-based Mortgage Insurance Companies of America said. In January, MICA reported 52,528 new defaults and 31,616 cures. The trade group last reported that recoveries exceeded defaults in March 2006.
“The significance is substantial, it’s enormous,” said Matthew Howlett, an analyst with Macquarie Group Ltd. Recoveries outpacing new defaults “signals a turning point” for mortgage insurers, he said.
MGIC Investment Corp., the biggest U.S. mortgage insurer, No. 2 Radian Group Inc. and No. 3 PMI are facing fewer claims as the economy recovers and the Obama administration works with the nation’s biggest banks to prevent foreclosures. Philadelphia- based Radian, which has reported three straight annual losses, said in February that delinquencies were slowing and may fall this year.
“We know there has been a slowdown in new defaults,” Radian Chief Financial Officer C. Robert Quint said on a Feb. 23 conference call with analysts and investors. “I actually expect it to be flat and slightly down throughout the year.”
OK Go - This Too Shall Pass - Rube Goldberg Machine version - Official
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w
I just looked at the back of my office wall, where the original Credit Suisse mortgage reset chart is located. The Option-ARM and Alt-A tsunami is due to start rolling in this April, rising to a peak over the summer.
Just listening to Dave Ramsey, never heard him before. He is telling folks that housing is turning around. “Anyone who can hold on for 24 months will be very happy”. “Stop listening to the news” So where did he get his crystal ball? From sponsors of his show?
Everyone is an expert an know things about the future that others do not.
wmbz,
Dave has a radio show, a TV show and what I think is a great program called “Financial Peace University” that teaches people how to get out of debt and then stay out of it. He uses a lot of good methods but he obviously is being mislead on this residential RE thing.
To put it in baseball terms, are we even to the 6th inning yet?
Also, just found out this week that the fetching Mrs Lip wants to sell and move again. Oh well, at least there’s an opportunity to catch another dip in the values if I can only get this one to sell.
Best Always,
Lip
Clipped from~ Martin Weiss ~
The Fed says it’s ending its purchases of more than $1 trillion in mortgage-backed securities today.
But, to hear the financial press tell it, you’d think that after today, the Federal Reserve will also stop creating money out of thin air.
Do NOT believe it —
NOTHING could be further from the truth!
Look: The reason the Fed has spent all this money to buy up bonds is very simple: Without the Fed’s money, the bond market would collapse.
The U.S. Treasury is selling its bonds at the rate of $1 trillion per year. Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and other government agencies are selling bonds at a similar clip. But where are the buyers? Are they rushing in to buy these bonds? Heck no! They’re either slashing their purchases or actually selling. China, for one, has already dumped nearly ALL of its U.S. mortgage bonds.
The ONLY consistent big buyer in the U.S. bond market has been the Federal Reserve!
Meanwhile the U.S. Treasury is borrowing money like there’s no tomorrow. In just one week recently, it issued $236 billion in government debt in a single week — the most in the history of the world!
Who will replace the Fed as MBS buyer of last resort?
Enquiring minds want to know…
Who will replace the Fed as MBS buyer of last resort?”
the taxpayer who is forced to join a 401K that invests in MBS for there own good because we all know the average guy is no good at investing and the government will help him.
Nobody…why would the Fed ever stop? It’s not like they’re going to run out of money.
“…why would the Fed ever stop?”
I guess there is no law that says they actually have to do what they announce in the MSM they are doing. Without independent audits, there is no way to check.
What I don’t get are the arguments that the end to this massive and unprecedented MBS purchase program will have no effect on mortgage rates. Does this statement implicitly assume some other as-yet unannounced intervention will supplant the Fed’s MBS purchases?
The other thing which confuses me is, who really owns the MBS the Fed purchased? Does the Fed own them? Are they on loan from the bank that sold them to the Fed? What will the Fed do with the MBS it owns — keep them sealed away in some kind of electronic toxic MBS Superfund site until kingdom come?
Stop the Money Presses: Fed Ends MBS Purchase Program
Published: Wednesday, 31 Mar 2010 | 1:15 PM ET
By: Reported by Steve Liesman, written by Michelle Lodge
When the financial crisis froze markets and drove the U.S. economy deeper into recession, the Federal Reserve stepped in. Now it is stepping out … and that leaves two important questions for investors.
* Will the private sector actually be able to pick up the Fed’s slack?
* How will that affect interest rates?
Unfortunately for investors, it may take some time for both questions to be answered.
Today, the Fed is ending its controversial program of buying of mortgage-backed and agency securities, instituted at the height of the financial crisis.
Since Nov. 25, 2008, when the program was announced, the Fed has been on a buying spree, purchasing the agency securities of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac along with mortgage-backed securities.
That program has tripled the nation’s money supply from around $800 billion to $2.3 trillion. Specifically, those buys have included $300 billion in Treasurys, $175 billion in agency securities and a whopping $1.75 trillion in mortgage-backed securities.
Essentially, the Fed’s purchase of securities created money using electronic credit entry in the purchaser’s account. In today’s computerized world, no ink needs to be spilled or trees cut down to “print” more money. It takes just a couple of keystrokes on a computers.
The biggest chunk of quantitative easing from the mortgage purchases, which replaced other emergency lending programs the Fed allowed to run off. As a result of those moves, the Fed is credited with helping lower mortgage rates and corporate credit yields. Those actions, in effect, forced investors into riskier credit markets.
Another Fed program also comes to an end today. It’s the consumer credit side of the TALF program, which helped secure loans for autos, students and credit cards. The commercial real estate part of TALF ends in June.
The Fed’s calculation is that it will help keep mortgage rates down by keeping the massive stock of mortgages in its portfolio off the market. In other words, a reduced total stock of mortgages will help keep a healthy bid in the market by the private sector.
Still, the private sector needs to step up now to replace some $100 billion or so of mortgages the Fed bought each month. It is expected to do so, but at a cost. That cost could be anywhere from 30 to 50 basis points higher, though some argue there may be no rise in rates.
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Paterson’s threat comes as unionized state workers on Thursday are set to see their pay go up by 4 percent; creating an additional $400 million in payroll costs this year. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig)
Paterson threatens layoffs if unions won’t take cuts
NEWS ALBANY BUREAU ~ March 31, 2010
ALBANY — State workers risk “massive” layoffs later this year if their unions don’t agree to concessions to help the state erase its deficit, the Paterson administration warned Tuesday.
The threat comes as unionized state workers on Thursday are set to see their pay go up by 4 percent — creating an additional $400 million in payroll costs this year — under the terms of a contract negotiated by former Gov. Eliot Spitzer.
At a time when public- and private-sector unions around the country have agreed to pay freezes or cuts, the big public employees unions for state workers are refusing to go along with efforts to cut what Gov. David A. Paterson proposed as $250 million in work force savings this year, officials said.
“It’s just frustrating that they won’t even agree to the slightest bit of inconvenience,” said an administration official with knowledge of the talks between the state and its two largest unions — the Civil Service Employees Association and the Public Employees Federation.
“I think they’re disconnected from the real world,” said the administration source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
It’s a tough time in U.S. economic history for pols to maintain their ratings.
Poll: More blame Obama for poor economy, unemployment
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From Truman to Obama, see each president’s ratings with USA TODAY’s approval tracker.
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Americans anxious about unemployment and the economy increasingly blame President Obama for hard times, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, amid signs of turbulence in November’s midterm elections.
Last week’s jubilant signing of the health care overhaul, Obama’s signature domestic initiative, seems to have given the president little boost. Instead, his standing on four personal qualities has sagged, and 50% of those surveyed say he doesn’t deserve re-election.
“People are still hurting; a lot of people are still struggling, and I think a lot of what we’re seeing in the polls reflects people’s views on the economy,” says Rep. Chris Van Hollen, head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
“At the same time, things have been improving. Clearly the economy is growing again,” Van Hollen said. “I believe that if we begin to see positive job growth, people’s confidence will return and that will change the dynamic.”
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So, who cleans up after your Thanksgiving Family Feast?
Cheney-Shrub Shadow Legacy Effect #3: “We delivered the worst eCONomy in 80 years…see ya”
A friend of mine who runs a radio program has asked me for possible questions to ask his guest next week, Michael Lewis (The Big Short / Liar’s Poker). If anyone has some thoughts, I’ll be sure to incorporate them into a list.
What’s is his definition of: “Power Lunch”
This Michael Lewis?
After graduating from Princeton, he went on to work with New York art dealer Wildenstein. Despite his degree in art history, he nonetheless wanted to break into Wall Street to make money. After leaving Princeton, he tried to find a finance job, only to be roundly rejected by every firm to which he applied. He then enrolled in the London School of Economics to gain a Master’s degree in economics.
While in England at the LSE, Lewis was invited to a banquet hosted by the Queen Mother, where he was accidentally seated next to the wives of two Salomon Brothers managers. While the managers and their wives proved to be extremely uncouth and rude, especially in the presence of royalty, Lewis managed to get a job interview through them and land his first job.
Given how much bailout money some of the major investment banks received after the Fall 2008 meltdown, and how large their 2009 profits turned out, how do you know they were not complicit in the plan to eliminate rival firms Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers?
And which of the remaining three might be next?
Ask him why he is so adamant that no one be prosecuted or go to jail for this mess? Are his ties to wall street one reason?
Ask him if he read Zuckerman’s “The Greatest Trade Ever” before his book was published and, if so, whether he stole any ideas from it.
I found the audio version a couple weeks ago.. thought it pretty much summed up who the very few were that successfully shorted the RE market, when, where, how and why.
The post-WWII presidential approval tracker is chock-full of fascinating information.
For instance:
- JFK appears to have enjoyed the highest average approval level, perhaps related to his limited time in office.
- BO has a long way to go before approaching the depths of his predecessor’s dismal approval ratings after eight years in office.
- Only Harry Truman’s approval ratings neared the height of popularity reached by both Bush presidents.
- The three presidents who had the highest-ever approval ratings (Harry Truman and the two Bush presidents) also had the largest declines in popularity, falling in each case from levels approaching or exceeding 90 percent approval to levels in the 20-30 percent range. (By contrast, Nixon was never that popular to begin with.)
I found the overall upward trend of Bill Clinton’s approval rating to be quite interesting. I mean, the guy wasn’t perfect, but so much of the tenor of the times was that he was the devil incarnate.
OTOH, look at Lyndon Johnson’s approval rating. Dang, that thing fell off the proverbial cliff. Ditto for Jimmy Carter. But for a brief bump in 1980, the general trend was downward.
- Clinton’s consist rise is remarkable.
- It’s amazing how much change can be wrought by events that are largely out of the president’s control. Bush’s meteoric rise is basically due to just one speech.
consist -> consistent
Another interesting tidbit: Barack Obama’s somber-faced official portrait breaks the long streak of smiling presidents, which stretches all the way back to Richard Nixon. He shares the Serious Demeanor Award with Lyndon Johnson, Dwight Eisenhower, and Harry Truman.
It was prolly taken before the health care passed.
Actually, it was taken before he was inaugurated. Details here.
Right after said photo was released, I was feeling pretty frisky with Photoshop. Recalling what Obama had said in The Audacity of Hope about his reluctance to make calls to potential campaign donors, and combining that with my primary means of drumming up business via cold calls, I added my own special touch.
Above Obama’s head, I put the words “YES YOU CAN.” At the bottom of the photo, I put the words “NOW GET BACK TO WORK.”
I taped this work of art to my closet door. And, from there, my Closet Obama gives me stern looks whenever I decide to look away from the computer whilst slacking off.
Abu Dhabi’s oil reserves to last another 150 years
Emirate is blessed with 95 per cent of the UAE’s oil reserves and 92 per cent of gas. March 31, 2010 (REUTERS)
Oil-rich Abu Dhabi is on a strong growth trajectory and the emirate will remain in a strong economic position in the future, too, after having weathered the economic downturn considerably well.
The figures quoted in a new report by Isthmus Partners ‘Abu Dhabi Investment Environment’, shows that with 33 per cent of the country’s population, the emirate contributes around 60 per cent to the UAE’s GDP and has a GDP per capita of 1.8 times the national average.
“Abu Dhabi has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world. Even on a standalone basis, Abu Dhabi would be the second-largest economy in the GCC after Saudi Arabia,” said the authors of the report stressing the economic clout of the capital city.
The emirate is blessed with 95 per cent of the UAE’s proven oil reserves and 92 per cent of UAE’s gas reserves. Based on current utilisation rates and no additional discoveries, Abu Dhabi’s oil reserves will last for 150 years, said the report.
This should come as no surprise…Take U.S. taxpayer dollars and invest is labor over seas. Where are the “green” jobs again? Barry
BP’s Solar Retreat Signals Exodus of U.S. Renewable-Energy Jobs
(Bloomberg) — BP Plc’s decision to halt U.S. output of solar panels may help short-circuit President Barack Obama’s plan to create thousands of jobs in renewable energy.
BP, Europe’s second-largest oil company, said March 26 that it’s stopping manufacturing at its Frederick, Maryland, solar plant and cutting 320 jobs because of high costs and declining panel prices. The announcement came seven weeks after London- based BP said the division that includes solar and wind power was losing almost $183,000 an hour.
Solar companies are ramping up manufacturing in Asia even as they take government incentive funds to hire in the U.S. Suntech Power Holdings Co., which got $2.1 million to assemble panels at a 70-worker plant in Arizona, will employ 11,000 people in China to build components. Tempe, Arizona-based First Solar Inc. plans to do 71 percent of its manufacturing hiring in Malaysia after getting $16.3 million in federal funding to hire 200 people at an Ohio plant.
“We’re creating green jobs, for sure, but they’re in China or Malaysia or India,” Maryland State Senator Alex Mooney, a Republican whose district includes the shuttered BP factory, said today in a telephone interview. “We’re losing these valuable manufacturing jobs, and that’s a concern.”
The Obama administration predicted late last year that $80 billion in stimulus spending on renewable-energy initiatives would help create more than 700,000 jobs. Vice President Joe Biden said the stimulus package was contributing to “unprecedented growth” in the solar and wind industries, according to a December memo distributed to the media.
..stopping manufacturing at its Frederick, Maryland, solar plant and cutting 320 jobs because of high costs…
We’re creating green jobs, for sure, but they’re in China or Malaysia or India,” Maryland State Senator Alex Mooney…said today…
“We’re losing these valuable manufacturing jobs, and that’s a concern.”
That’s almost funny. “We” are losing jobs?
A foreign company (BP) outsources to the USA and, when it sees it’s cheaper to outsource elsewhere, pulls up stakes and does so.
We took those jobs from some EU country. Now someone else is taking those jobs from us.
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ya know.. we COULD take jobs from all over the world. We COULD make this country an attractive, profitable manufacturing environment for not only American companies, but foreign companies, like BP as well.
The only reason to manufacture here would be to meet anticipated buy America requirements for government funded installations. Doesn’t look like we are on that path.
I don’t think there’s much we can do right now even if we had the will.
We cut manufacturing loose long ago. It stank and polluted, used too much energy and made too much noise for our tastes..
I went to school with State Sen. Mooney. Decidedly not one of the best and brightest.
One of my former coworkers is now in the Minnesota state legislature. Pretty smart cookie, as I recall. Ditto for a college classmate. Last I heard, he was the Dane County (WI) district attorney. Sharp fella.
This government is wind driven, to and fro.
Biden said, “unprecedented growth” in the solar and wind industries.
Yeah right.
I had the opportunity to work with a company that’s based in CT and which manufactures fiberglass wings for wind power electrical generators. Well it turns out a few years ago they were bought out by a Japanese company, they moved the manufactuing operations to Juarez, MX (1000 employees) and they only employ a handful of American citizens.
“Yes, it does appear that a fault-line is widening in America. The upper classes are educated…smart…and they have money. They can compete with the elites of any country on earth”.
But the middle/lower classes have a problem. They’re used to getting paid the wages of a rich, developed country. But they don’t really have any more skills than people in India or Mexico or Russia. For thirty years the average hourly wage for an American working man has remained stagnant as more and more unskilled labor came on line. Much of it came as legal and illegal immigration from Latin America. And the rest came from labor outside the US.
China mastered the business of making things to export into the US. India took the lead in service industries, where their English-language skills could be put to work.
But there are still hundreds of millions of people who earn practically nothing; there are 500 million people in India who live on less than $3 a day, for example. As long as these people are still entering the global workforce, it’s hard to see how unskilled Americans can expect to earn more money.
“This is just part of the Great Correction that Americans must live through. They have to pay down (or default on) debt – as much as $20 trillion worth – while their incomes are under pressure from competition at home and abroad…and the US economy suffers a prolonged, Japan-like slump”.
~ B.Bonner ~ TDR
“This is just part of the Great Correction that Americans must live through. They have to pay down (or default on) debt – as much as $20 trillion worth – while their incomes are under pressure from competition at home and abroad…and the US economy suffers a prolonged, Japan-like slump”.
Sounds like a great time to buy an overpriced McMansion…
Heck, even skilled Americans are having a devil of a time. They have universities in all those 3rd world countries too.
And some of them are pretty good. Ever heard of the Indian Institute of Technology?
Yup — pretty much India’s answer to MIT, I’ve heard…
A closely watched pot never boils to death the frogs swimming in the water.
Mark Hulbert
March 31, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EDT
Bearish on bonds
Commentary: Why bond yields may be headed much higher
By Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch
ANNANDALE, Va. (MarketWatch) — It’s always dangerous to think you know more about something than does the market itself.
And this is especially the case when it comes to bonds, since the fixed-income market is the largest and most liquid in the world, and its participants include some of the best and brightest of the entire investment arena.
But that does not deter Dan Seiver, who confidently predicts that yields are headed higher over the next year or two, with the 30-year Treasury yield (TYX 47.15, -0.42, -0.88%) very likely hitting the 6% level. If he’s right, of course, then Treasury bond prices are headed much lower.
Seiver is a visiting finance professor at San Diego State University and editor of an investment advisory service called the PAD System Report. He deserves to be listened to because his rate forecasts have been mostly on target over the last year. ( Read my Dec. 15, 2009, column.)
Seiver’s arguments for why rates are headed higher are familiar: The economic recovery is gathering steam; government deficits are larger than even the pessimists were predicting a couple of years ago that they would be — and getting worse; the government’s bond rating is in danger; inflation will continue to worsen; the dollar will continue to lose value; the Federal Reserve eventually will have to end its quantitative easing; and the demographic trend towards an increasing proportion of society in retirement will overwhelm Social Security, Medicare and other government programs, to name a prominent few.
But none of these arguments is new. Why, I asked Seiver in an interview earlier this week, is the rest of the bond market looking at these same phenomena and not agreeing that rates are headed much higher?
By way of an answer, Seiver referred to a number of behavioral factors that keep many bond traders and investors, if not most, from recognizing the reality of the situation.
Take the terrible state of government finances these days, which is awful and getting worse. Seiver believes that Americans are not very good at responding, since there is no one well-defined crisis point.
“Americans are good at dealing with acute crises,” Seiver said, such as the 9-11 terrorist attacks. The deterioration of government finances is, in contrast, long-term and gradual. Instead of an acute crisis, it’s a matter of “steady erosion.”
It’s reminiscent of the oft-quoted difference between throwing a frog into boiling water, on the one hand, and gradually heating the water in which he is already swimming, on the other. In the former case he will immediately jump out, whereas in the latter case he will eventually boil to death.
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I don’t know what to do with all the predictions of bonds tanking. There’s no way I’m converting Tbills into stocks right now. I timed the top pretty well, missed the big run down, but also missed the big run partway back up. Still hanging loose, trying to figure out where we’re going next, amazed at the ability of the market to defy gravity.
Need some IT advice, if someone knows what is going on.
Opened my e-mail this morning, had a bunch of “Delivery Fail” notifications in my Inbox (Microsoft Hotmail). All were old/dead e-mail addresses I haven’t used in a while. Now some of my “good contacts” are replying…
From what it looks like, somebody somehow hijacked my e-mail account and address list, and are forwarding spam “Canada drug” advertisements on my e-mail account.
How The Fook did that happen? And what do I have to do to fix it?
Your computer has been taken over by a spam-bot. You need to get rid of the malware that runs it. Can anyone help xGS here? I keep notes on this stuff at home, but don’t have access to it here.
I’ve downloaded and used Malwarebytes Anti-malware and Spybot’s Search and Destroy with good results. I believe both are still free downloads on sites such as cnet, etc.
I don’t know whether polly is right about the spam-bot, but if she is, the way I’ve cleaned an infected computer is to hit Cntrl Alt Del, go into the Task List and look up what those things are doing under the “Processes” list (things like svchost.exe, etc (but don’t kill that one)). Oftentimes, you can’t just kill the process/task or it will just come back. There are sites out the there that can tell you how to do that once you find the malware processes. Maybe there’s an easier way but that’s what I’ve done.
MrBubble
“How The Fook did that happen? And what do I have to do to fix it?”
Don’t ask me.
I just loaded Windows 7 and my Windows Live Messenger will pop open but it looks around and asks what in the hell is Windows Live(Error 1603) !!
http://messenger-support.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8B3F39C76A8B853F!12611.entry?sa=287550519
You’re probably out of disk space, but there may be other causes as well.
Some possibilities:
1) Some program guessed/hacked your hotmail account password. That’s how it got compromised.
2) You have a spambot on your computer as Polly noted.
Fixes:
1) Download McAfee’s Stinger program. It’s a good first step. Put it on a CD, put it into your computer and run it. It should get a handle on your computer, perhaps even delete most if not all of the malware.
2) Turn on your Windows Firewall.
3) Get a good firewall/antivirus program - Norton Internet Security is one, McAfee has one too.
4) After your computer is clean, change the password on the hotmail account. Use a strong password meaning, more than 8 characters, have upper and lowercase characters, not a word from the dictionary, mix in some numbers and non-alphanumeric characters.
5) And visiting all those porn sites
That should fix the situation - get rid of the malware, then change the hotmail password.
THey could also just be using your hotmail address as teh reply to address. I get that at one of my addresses alot, ill get 400 failed emails.
Beware the words of economists who talk about economic reality.
The Financial Times
Watch out for sovereign debt black holes
By David Roche and Bob McKee
Published: March 31 2010 17:51 | Last updated: March 31 2010 17:51
Will the next step in the credit crisis centre on sovereign debt? And what would that mean?
My co-author and I argue that high levels of sovereign debt will, at best, mean significantly below-trend economic growth over the rest of this decade. At worst, there will be a series of sovereign debt defaults that will ricochet through some leading economies and plunge the global economy back into recession.
Sovereign debt is normally deemed risk-free. It is the touchstone by which other riskier financial assets are priced. It forms the core of low-risk portfolios destined to fund such real social needs as pensions and casualty and cataclysm insurance. It is the liquid asset that lies at the heart of current regulatory reforms to oblige banks to hold sovereign debt in proportion to their exposure to riskier assets and potentially illiquid short-term funding.
A repricing of sovereign debt as dangerous debt would be an earthquake for financial markets. It would blow a hole in the balance sheets of previously safe financial institutions. That would be a new chapter in the credit crisis. But it would be a logical progression.
During the financial crisis, far from being a substitute for private sector deleveraging, which is only at an incipient stage, the state has piled on its own layers of debt. Leverage has never been higher. Government dissaving in the form of structural primary budget deficits equivalent to 9-10 per cent of gross domestic product has been added to already inadequate levels of household savings. If over-indebtedness and lack of thrift were the causes of the credit crisis, the policy prescription has been to give the dope fiend more dope.
By the end of this year, sovereign debt in Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development countries will have exploded by nearly 70 per cent from 44 per cent of GDP in 2006 to 71 per cent. According to the Bank of International Settlements, it would take fiscal tightening of 8-10 per cent of GDP in the US, the UK and Japan every year for the next five years to return debt levels to where they were in 2007.
Some say that a temporary increase in sovereign debt always happens after a credit crisis. Research by US economists Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff shows that sovereign debt usually rises by an average of 85 per cent within three years of a financial crisis. But this credit crisis is like no other. Our own calculations show that the budget deficits of crisis-struck countries now equal more than 25 per cent of global savings and 50 per cent of savings within the OECD. And the increase in debt ratios is on a different scale because it simultaneously affects all the big economies, not just an Argentina.
Studies by the IMF and by Reinhart and Rogoff also show that there exists a tipping point – when sovereign debt breaches 60-90 per cent of GDP – beyond which the impact of more state spending is to reduce growth and even to make the economy shrink. Sovereign debt is already (or is set to rise) above such a tipping point in the US, the UK and the eurozone. It is already more than twice that level in Japan. This means rich countries will lack a dynamic core to help them grow their way out of their debt spiral by boosting GDP. Indeed, if growth falls below the yields on their bonds, these countries will become sovereign black holes in the universe of credit, with uncontrollable upwardly spiralling debt levels.
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EDITOR’S CHOICE
Gillian Tett: ‘Canary in coal mine’ heralds bond trouble - Mar-29
Swap rate falls below 10-year Treasury yield - Mar-23
Treasury issuance hits swap rates - Mar-15
Bondholders assess impact of US mortgage action - Mar-29
Fed exit looms over US mortgages - Mar-25
Factory orders rise for 10th time in 11 months
Factory orders rise modestly in February as manufacturing powers economic recovery
WASHINGTON (AP) — Factory orders rose in February, bolstered by strong demand for industrial machinery and commercial aircraft. It was the 10th increase in 11 months as manufacturing continues to provide crucial support for the nation’s economic recovery.
“We’re not a red-hot economy,” said Tim Quinlan, an economist at Wells Fargo. “But the recovery is still plodding along.”
Manufacturers, which were hit hard by the recession, are benefiting from overseas orders and increased business spending on capital equipment. Quinlan estimates that factory orders fell by about 25 percent during the recession but have recovered about one-third of that amount since last spring.
The Commerce Department said Wednesday that new orders rose 0.6 percent last month, just ahead of analysts’ estimates for a 0.5 percent increase, according to Thomson Reuters. Still, that was the lowest uptick since August 2009.
I sincerely hope this isn’t a dead cat bounce.
Smith Electric Vehicles gets $22M more from the U.S. Department of Energy
Kansas City Business Journal
Smith Electric Vehicles U.S. Corp. is getting $32 million in federal money to help develop future all-electric vehicles and to provide customer incentives.
U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., on Wednesday announced the award, which provides a $22 million boost to the original $10 million Department of Energy grant awarded to Smith in August.
“This award recognizes Smith’s leadership role in building the foundation for an all-electric commercial truck industry in this country,” McCaskill said in a statement.
In yet another sign the housing bubble has reflated to a healthy girth, here is a report on increased flipping activity in the SF Bay area:
Bloomberg
Pace of house flipping picks up
Robert Selna, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 30, 2010
Luis Jimenez bought and remodeled this home in Richmond, and he is now in contract to sell it at a profit.
When Luis Jimenez bought a two-bedroom house in Richmond from a bank last year for $46,000, he joined the ranks of Bay Area real estate investors, who in 2009, purchased homes in moderate-priced ZIP codes, siphoning off housing inventory and resuscitating neighborhoods hit by foreclosures - but also pushing out some first-time home buyers.
Jimenez, a handyman and construction worker, spent about $14,000 renovating the house and now is in contract to sell it for $110,000 after eight prospective buyers made offers.
Bay Area bidding wars were big news in 2005-06 at the height of the housing bubble. They were driven by buyers who feared they would lose out on the American dream if they didn’t act fast, and by investors, who imagined no ceiling to rapidly rising prices.
Multiple offers made a comeback in 2009 and early 2010, but this time around they occurred mostly in below median-priced areas, and were propelled significantly by investors buying bank-owned properties.
A Chronicle analysis of sales data from MDA DataQuick, a San Diego real estate research firm, shows that house flipping activity - where a home is bought and quickly resold - increased from 2008 to 2009 in several Bay Area ZIP codes.
For instance, the Pittsburg ZIP code 94565 had 52 flip sales in 2009. In 2008, it had 13.
DataQuick defines a flip as a recently purchased home that had previously sold within 21 to 180 days prior. The firm’s data do not capture homes bought at auctions.
But other figures show that investor buying at public foreclosure auctions also has boomed.
According to research firm ForeclosureRadar.com in Discovery Bay, the number of houses in the nine-county Bay Area purchased by investors at public auctions jumped from 122 in January 2009 to 637 in January 2010. February 2010 saw similar increases.
Types of investors
Investors are not monolithic. Some are individuals, similar to Jimenez, who pooled his funds with family members in hopes of getting a leg up. Others are investor groups and real estate investment firms that buy scores of homes in succession or all at once.
The characteristic the investors have in common is that they tend to pay cash, placing them a step ahead of buyers using mortgage loans, which often involve more paperwork and are less certain to come to fruition.
“We’ve seen a notable increase in investors over the past year,” said John Robin, a Realtor with Keller Williams in the East Bay, who represents Jimenez and primarily works with investors. “At the beginning of 2009, there was a big spike in foreclosures and the places that had the biggest inflation in the boom had the biggest cuts.”
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Will this area support a price of $110k for what, most likely, will become a rental? I just don’t see a big stampede of people who are yearning to live in Richmond or Pittsburg.
Richmond condos were selling for $400K+ back in 2004, and I am guessing a two-bedroom house would have sold for more than that back in the bubble era.
By contrast, in the mid-1990s, Richmond condos were selling in the low-$100Ks. Sounds like prices have returned to pre-2000 levels if Jimenez’s flip is any indication…
“This… is the Twilight Zone”
Doo-dee-doo-dah-doo-dee-doo-dah…
The Financial Times
‘Canary in coal mine’ heralds bond trouble
By Gillian Tett
Published: March 29 2010 19:45 | Last updated: March 29 2010 23:49
In recent years, a key axiom that every investment manager learnt at school (or, more accurately, in an MBA class ) was that the rate at which triple A-rated countries such as America could borrow money could be labelled the “risk-free” rate – and corporate (and) other borrowing costs could be measured against it.
But is it time to rethink that “risk-free” tag? If you look at what is happening in the US and UK interest rate markets right now, the answer is “yes”. From time immemorial, it has been taken as self-evident that the swaps spread in debt markets should be “positive”. What this so-called “swaps spread” essentially measures is the cost of borrowing funds in the Libor market (for a private companies, such as banks), minus the cost of raising government debt.
And, since the private borrowing costs are influenced by credit and counterparty issues (ie: whether banks default or fail to repay), logic suggests those Libor rates should be higher than sovereign borrowing rates.
After all, triple A-rated central government is supposed to the safest thing about. But now, as my colleagues Michael Mackenzie and David Oakley first reported two weeks ago, something bizarre is going on. Back in late 2008, after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the 30-year swap spread turned negative, when the markets froze amid wider financial chaos.
At the time, that swing did not grab many headlines, partly because the 30-year market garners little attention in the US. However, last week the closely watched – and vastly more influential – benchmark 10-year swap spread turned negative too, as 10-year Treasury yields spiralled up towards 4 per cent and above the 10-year swap rate.
That may simply be a temporary aberration. After all, the swaps market is not a perfect barometer of macroeconomic conditions and some unusual supply-demand imbalances seem to be distorting the market.
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Temporary aberration… Phew! Had me worried there for a second.
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EDITOR’S CHOICE
Swap rate falls below 10-year Treasury yield - Mar-23
Treasury issuance hits swap rates - Mar-15
Bondholders assess impact of US mortgage action - Mar-29
Fed exit looms over US mortgages - Mar-25
It’s just terrible when economic fundamentals rear their ugly head in the face of central bank manipulation of the global financial system.
Poor babies. How are they going to afford their gobjillion dollar homes if their pay keeps falling?
CEOs See Pay Fall Again
Top executives collected less pay in 2009, the first time in 20 years that compensation declined for two consecutive years. Median pay for top 200 chief executives was $6.95 million.
Kai Ryssdal from Marketplace just ended the show by pointing out that the Fed’s purchase of MBS ends today. He then pointed out that the stock market started its current bull run when the Fed started these purchases in March 2009.
His unspoken question? Is this simple correlation, or cause and effect?
His unspoken implication? If it’s cause and effect, look out below.
I caught that. I believe what he said was that the start of the DJIA’s meteoric rise beginning in March 2009 was coincidental with the onset of the Fed’s MBS purchase (aka housing market reflation) program.
Luckily, according to the folks who announced “subprime is contained” and “green shoots are sprouting,” the end of the MBS purchase program will have no effect on mortgage rates.
He also said that the market was up 50% since then. Not sure when the MBS purchases started but the bottom (according to Google Finance) was 3/6/09 at 6626.94 and today’s finish was at 10856.63, a 64% gain. A 39% drop would be needed to get us back there. I think we can do it. Yes we can!
Oh, and thanks for the subtle distinction. Most post sounded more cause and effect. His sounded more coincidence/correlation leaving the conclusion to the listener.
A housing stimulus measure too far?
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* APRIL 1, 2010
The Permanent Mortgage Crisis
One more housing bailout to prolong the market agony.
Last Friday the White House announced its latest plan to prevent mortgage foreclosures, and earlier this week the famous Case-Shiller index found mostly flat home prices in January with analysts warning about a new wave of foreclosures to come. You can’t blame the latest proposal for that outcome, but what about the previous 10 or 20 federal housing rescue plans?
We’re supposed to believe that this latest effort to build an artificial floor under home prices will perform better than the Hope Now Alliance announced by President Bush in October 2007;
better than the revised Hope Now program announced two months later;
better than Hope for Homeowners, which was passed by Congress and signed by Mr. Bush in 2008;
better than the foreclosure moratoriums promoted by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Representative Barney Frank into early 2009;
better than the $127 billion that taxpayers have thus far poured into Fan and Fred, much of it for foreclosure relief;
better than the Federal Reserve’s purchase of $1.25 trillion in mortgage-backed securities;
better than last year’s expansion of the 2008 First-Time Home Buyer Tax Credit to up to $8,000;
better than the billions in stimulus dollars that have been spent “to restore neighborhoods hardest hit by concentrated foreclosures,” according to the White House;
better than the $1.5 billion announced earlier this year to state housing finance agencies in the electorally hard-hit areas of Arizona, California, Florida, Michigan and Nevada, and $600 million more this week for other states certified as political disaster areas;
and certainly better than Mr. Obama’s year-old Home Affordable Modification Program to offer mortgage modifications to troubled borrowers or his companion program to offer generous refinancing. We could go on, but you get the joke, even if the housing market hasn’t.
Here’s a heretical thought: What if Washington had simply let housing prices fall on their own to find their natural bottom? The pain would have been more severe more quickly for some owners who bought more expensive homes than they could afford. But the pain might also be over by now as housing markets cleared faster, and housing might be contributing to a healthier economic expansion.
Instead we are heading toward year five of the housing recession, with Washington proposing even more ideas to prolong the agony. One senior banking regulator we talk to calls it “extending and pretending.”
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That’s what HBBers call it, too! Surreal, ain’t it?
BwaHahAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHHAAHAAA!!!!
Humpty-dumptyHousing market sat on the wallHumpty-dumptyHousing market had a great fallAll
the king’sObama’s horses and allthe king’sObama’s menCouldn’t put
HumptyHousing together again.“…all the Obama’s men…”
Especially the tax cheat. It’s easier to cheat the IRS than it is to fix housing, neh?
Greenspan needs to be prosecuted. Legal responses only. We common sense people already knew he must have been doing some sort of illegal substance. Why doesn’t someone have the balls to take down BF.