April 2, 2010

A Teachable Moment

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Spring is bringing the usual hope for the housing market in Greater Hartford. But the hope is tinged with worry. Federal programs, not just an improving economy, have helped the area’s housing market regain its footing. And those are ending soon. The allure of the tax credit is playing out for Chris Bertola and his girlfriend, Amy Albert, both from Plainville, just as lawmakers intended. When a deal for a house in Bristol fell through in February, it was the credit that got the couple searching again for their first house. Two weeks ago, they were lucky enough to find another house in Bristo. The owner was willing to negotiate the $310,000 asking price. ‘The date the credit would expire was always in our minds,’ said Bertola, a 24-year-old insurance underwriter.”

“A $14 billion effort announced by the Obama administration to fight another wave of foreclosures nationwide may do little to help people in southeastern Connecticut, according to local housing advocates. Barbara Crouch, who regularly counsels local people in crisis through her work at the only federally approved housing-counseling agency in the area, said she has seen projections that the new federal effort will help only 20,000 to 30,000 people in the United States - or less than half a percent of those teetering on the edge of foreclosure. As for those on unemployment who hope to take advantage of the new federal program, Crouch had her doubts.”

“For one thing, she said, it will likely take months or years before those who lost their jobs can find employment at the same level as whatever position they lost. For another, she added, ‘How long can you make a payment on anything on unemployment?’”

“Despite a good job with steady income, the lure of a first time homebuyer tax credit and even an offer from her parents to help with a down payment, Aprill Turner is staying a renter by choice. During the housing boom, she and her friends talked a lot about buying their first home, but falling prices and a weak economy changed the conversation. Turner: ‘I think our outings now are more of a few personal stories and gripe sessions about what’s going on with their homes and it just doesn’t seem attractive.’”

“Jon Wolford, Realtor, Long & Foster: ‘An individual has to determine whether it’s the best time for them to buy. Do they have the savings set aside? Are they capable of budgeting and making those payments? Because the last thing that any of us need in America need are more people buying homes that can’t afford to make the payments in the future.’”

“Louis Spagnuolo of WCS Lending in Boca Raton answers questions from readers. Q: My family of five is squeezing into a two-bedroom, one-bath home. It’s worth less than we paid. We thought of everything, from selling to foreclosing, but because we have a private lender and not a bank, our options are limited. I came up with the idea of adding on to make the home more livable, but we’d be looking at a $50,000 job. Because I have no equity, I can’t get a line of credit and don’t have that kind of cash sitting around. We don’t want to foreclose. We’re trapped in a tiny home with good credit, but no one will lend us money for renovations. Is there any help out there? — Mike.”

“A: Mike, I feel your pain. Many homeowners in South Florida are in similar situations. I suggest opening the lines of communication with the holder of your note. Private lenders are not regulated and have greater freedoms to make adjustments or modifications to your loan. I would definitely not add on to the home. That would be throwing good money after bad.”

“The average per-unit sales price for apartment complexes in Central Florida has fallen from a five-year peak of $90,308 just four years ago to a current average of $39,653, according to a report by Charles Wayne Consulting Inc. Looking back at the peak of the market in 2006, ‘prices in most cases greatly exceeded what could have been supported as an income property and based on the rents generated,’ according to the report.”

“‘Buyers are no longer paying for potential condo conversions; that’s all behind us,’ the report stated.”

“The manager of Gastonia’s Municipal Golf Course and the owner of Linwood Golf Course both said golfers aren’t spending as much time on the greens because they are cutting back on discretionary spending. ‘There’s no question its down,’ said Richard Duffie, who has a management contract with the city of Gastonia. ‘If you look at the stats regionally and nationally, it’s down 30-40 percent in some cases. The market is more competitive today. In the last 15 years, the market has been flooded with new facilities.’”

“But as the nation’s housing and economic crisis deepened, ‘more golf courses have gone into foreclosure in the last 12 months than any time in history,’ Duffie said.”

“Graham Bell, who founded Cramer Mountain Country Club in 1982, said he’s trying to protect his members, many of whom own high-priced homes in Cramer Mountain, the gated community surrounding the Country Club in Cramerton. ‘Anytime you make this type of business decision, it doesn’t come easy, but sticking your head in the sand and ignoring it is the worst thing you can do. Some private clubs aren’t facing reality,’ Bell said.”

“Two Omaha-area housing subdivisions have filed for bankruptcy, the first in a wave of what could be a dozen or more reorganizing their finances. Housing developers have thousands of vacant lots on their hands and some are defaulting on the bank loans that got their projects going. Banks are suing the developers personally to exact payment. Douglas and Sarpy Counties are stuck with nearly 14,000 empty housing lots, with another 6,800 lots in the pipeline, according to a market analysis by the regional research firm Landmarketing Inc.”

“A two-year supply is considered good. The current supply by different measures, five to eight year’s worth is a glut. Looking back, many in real estate and urban planning acknowledge they should have seen the excess building. ‘The housing market across the country was overdeveloped,’ said Steve Jensen, Omaha’s former planning director. ‘We’re no different from anybody else in that regard.’”

“The collapse in the republic’s property market and the inability of Irish banks to release loans to first-time buyers has resulted in a series of so-called ‘ghost estates’ springing up, not only in Greater Dublin but across many rural areas, particularly in Ireland’s Midlands. New housing developments built during the latter years of the boom stand empty. One or two families, if any, might reside in one of these monuments to the death of the Celtic Tiger.”

“Clongriffin was designed as a small new town in northern Dublin. The railway station remains closed and the main street resembles a ghost town, with hundreds upon hundreds of private homes and apartments lying empty. There are now estimated to be around a quarter of a million empty properties across the state which were built before the financial crisis and the chronic downturn, and which people can no longer afford to move into.”

“The fallout from the way the banks behaved has ended up with senior bank officials being arrested by the Garda Síochána, with several prosecutions being threatened down the line. While there is no guarantee that the Irish taxpayer will get back any of the billions that were used to prop up the struggling banks, they may be comforted by the sight of a string of former stars of the banking industry being taken in handcuffs to Irish courts.”

“A morale-boosting advertising campaign, backed by 18 large banks and companies, tells glum Spaniards that their problems can be fixed ‘between us all.’ The list of things that need repair is extensive. Spain’s structural faults were long hidden by a housing bubble and have been glaringly exposed now that it has burst. From unemployment and low productivity growth, and from troubled savings banks to creaky public finances, the problems are piling up.”

“With the government unwilling to apply radical surgery, there are fears that Spain will fall further behind its neighbours. ‘The risk is that we will have a lost decade, like Portugal or Japan,’ says Lorenzo Bernaldo de Quirós, an economist at Freemarket International Consulting in Madrid.”

“Kiinteistömaailma’s CEO Tommi Rytkönen played down suggestions of a housing price bubble. He argues that the price spike occurred last autumn, when demand for investment housing peaked. ‘The current discussion about a price bubble has come a bit late, since the figures for recent months don’t back it up,’ Rytkönen said.”

“According to Bo Salmén, head economist at the Confederation of Finnish Construction Industries, construction on as much as 28,000 new dwellings may begin this year, while last year new projects totalled only 23,000. Demand for more expensive homes is strengthening, and orders for smaller dwellings are also growing, he told STT. According to a market survey published at the beginning of March by industry magazine Rakennuslehti, new construction on higher cost bracket homes may return to boom year heights in 2010, at more than 10,000 dwellings.”

“Vancouver’s 61-storey Shangri-La looms so high over the city that everything around it appears like a miniature, people-less model. Vancouver’s tallest building is also a model for the subtleties of class distinction, and the class lines are drawn by its elevators. For some, the Estates elevators aren’t division enough. ‘I had a wealthy corporate citizen in Vancouver who wouldn’t buy in the Shangri-La because it didn’t have separate elevators for the staff,’ says Mr. Rennie, who was shocked. ‘In Los Angeles, it’s very common to have a centre corridor for maintenance and staff, but it’s not common here. It’s not a Vancouver statement.’”

“Richard Raisler owns a condo on the 19th floor of the Shangri-La, where he spends a few weeks of the year. ‘If they have it nicely furnished like I do, I couldn’t rent it to anybody that I trust enough,’ says Mr. Raisler, on the phone from his home in California. ‘People are also concerned about getting the tenant out when you want to use it.’”

“About a year ago, when the market was down, Italian businessman Cesare Gagliardoni paid $2.5 million for his condo in the Shangri-La, but he says it is already worth much more. ‘To me, [my condo here] is not an investment,’ says Mr. Gagliardoni. ‘I love Vancouver.’”

“Mr. Rennie insists it’s that kind of appreciation that makes the Shangri-La work as a development, even if the condos are often empty. ‘A vibrant community is built with filled homes, yes,’ he says. ‘But you have to look at the other side — they’re paying property taxes, living here six months a year, eating in our restaurants and shopping in our stores and causing employment. So they’re not taking from our community. And in this global society, what is a community today?’”

“Just how far behind I am in the race to get into the Chinese property market was made starkly clear to me recently. My cleaning lady – who earns about $90 a month for each of the handful of households she cleans (considered a high rate for Beijing) – recently beamed proudly to me about becoming a homeowner.”

“Granted, it was a small apartment in a somewhat remote area way out by the outermost highway circling the Chinese capital, but there was no getting away from the fact she owned her own home while I’m still doling out monthly rent that some people here liken to ‘money down the drain.’”

“Vicky Tang, an English-language teacher from Hebei had stood on the property sidelines for years, said that the interest rates were so low it seemed silly not to dip her toes into the property market. ‘It was time to buy,’ she said.”

“Lately, however, observers worry that the easy credit may have been too much of a good thing, with economists wondering if China’s property bubble has become too frothy. ‘At least seven cities saw land prices triple in 2009,’ wrote Stephen Green, head of the Greater China research division at Standard Chartered Bank. ‘This is clearly bubble territory for the land markets in many cities.’”

“The study from University of Southern California professor Dowell Myers finds that the number of foreign-born people living in California peaked in 2007 and is now slowly declining. Less than 27 percent of the state’s population was born outside the United States. That number is about 21 percent for San Diego County. Myers says migration from other states is also down. He says in San Diego the high cost of living is a big factor.”

“‘Again, because of your high housing prices,’ he says. ‘How can people afford to move in from Texas or Florida? So the only people who are there are people who’ve been there a long time or people who grew up there.’”

“Just this week, three employees here at the Turlock Journal have made the leap into home ownership. All three are under the age of 26. All three are unmarried. These three individuals had stared at spiraling home prices over the past decade, wondering not when but if they’d ever be able to afford a house. The odds of ever moving away from rental housing — or the spare room at mom and dad’s house — seemed slim at best.”

“Sure, real estate here in Turlock has never broached the prices seen in the Bay Area or Southern California. But the pay is less here too. I had hoped that I, myself, would be able to afford a home perhaps by age 35, thanks to my frugal nature. Assuming prices didn’t continue to skyrocket too much, of course. But cratering home prices have given people like me — the woefully underpaid — a chance we thought we’d never have. Now, us Gen-Y’ers have a chance to achieve the American Dream, white picket fence and all.”

“When house shopping earlier this month, I felt my heart well up as my realtor guided me through otherwise nice homes up for short sales. The current owners were often milling about the houses they were trying to sell for less than they owed, just trying to get out from an oppressive mortgage.”

“It’s easy to blame mortgage brokers for what happened to our nation’s economy. To point the finger at banks who made risky loans to people who shouldn’t have borrowed money. But who knew, back then? It was just the way things were, a heady world of gap loans, inverse-adjustable rates, and real estate prices that, like the Tower of Babel, would reach to the heavens before their inevitable fall.”

“In that way, my jobless, asset-less colleagues of the Millennial Generation were almost better off. We had nearly nothing to lose, and post collapse we at least had something. It’s the eternal cycle, growth and decay, life and death. Where a tree falls in the forest — even if no one is around to hear it — new plants will sprout up in the spot of light that drifts through the canopy. Just as I’m sad for the hard-working folks caught out by this economic collapse, I’m happy for the younger generation. It’s their chance to shine in the light now; a light some thought may never filter down.”

“I close escrow on my own home — a modest little two-bedroom townhouse — in just about two weeks. It’s not too big, not too small, just the perfect size for a 20-something bachelor to spread his wings. And it’s entirely within my price range, especially thanks to the $8,000 federal home buying tax credit. I hope the economic storm clears soon, for the sake of our entire country. But I’m glad that when the clouds blow away, I — and others of my generation — will be a part of the landscape.”

“Is it even worth swatting down the silly idea that the way to revive California’s economy is to revive its housing industry? Unfortunately, the job needs doing. The state’s construction lobby is not only arguing that home building could open a door out of our deep recession, but is also pushing for new state tax credits to kick potential buyers off the fence.”

“Surely we’ve learned by now that this is building the roof before the concrete crews have finished the foundation, right? A recent report claims that the pace of home building in 2009 was less than 20 percent of the long-term demand of 220,000 units a year - and that 407,000 more Californians should have been employed on those job sites. But families lay down the money to buy homes, shouldering the burden of mortgages, when they have jobs and trust that the near future looks stable. In brief, when our economy thrives, the home building trades will follow.”

“What happens when we reverse the process, when real estate drives the economy? Well, you get the bubble of the past decade. Over the past two years, both the state and federal governments have offered a variety of tax credits in an attempt to at least buffer the damage of the collapsing real estate market. As temporary, emergency measures, they were justifiable. At some point, though, we have to say, ‘enough.’”

“When our economy finds its footing again, families will be as eager as ever to buy new homes. Until then, trying to artificially breathe new life into housing construction is just blowing smoke-filled bubbles.”

“The country is in such grave danger because few people understand the real causes of our troubles. Overwhelmingly, politicians, opinion leaders, and academicians have pinned the blame for the current crisis on capitalism. They maintain that we can regain prosperity only if the federal government spends money like never before, bails out failing companies, and exerts far more regulatory control over what’s left of free enterprise.”

“Most have been taught to accept the pro-state version of events – that the free market has failed and we must turn to governmental power for salvation. Writer Thomas E. Woods…explains the truth: government blundering got us into the current recession and if we allow the politicians to exploit it to increase their power, we will have made a gigantic, perhaps fatal mistake. Fearing that they would be blamed for the economic turmoil, leading politicians (including both the Democratic and the Republican presidential candidates in 2008) proclaimed that it was not due to government meddling, but instead had been caused by ‘laissez-faire philosophy’ and greed.”

“And intellectuals, eager to protect their stake in the alleged benevolence and wisdom of federal economic regulation – people such as Paul Krugman – leaped up to say that the crisis couldn’t be blamed on the government. Woods clears away the fog of self-serving falsehoods, showing that the collapse of the housing market was the entirely predictable result of federal policies for which the politicians and intellectuals were happy to take credit as long as they seemed to be ‘working.’”

“Woods makes it clear that the government’s desperate moves to shore up unsound investments through bailouts are exactly the wrong policy. All the politicians are doing is taking resources from the healthy sectors of the economy to prop up the unhealthy, thus obstructing the efficient use of resources and rapid recovery from its cheap credit binge. He writes, ‘Following a familiar pattern, government failure has been blamed on anyone and everyone but the government itself. And of course, the same government failure is being used to justify further increases in government power.’”

“We are at what educators call a ‘teachable moment.’ The advocates of omnipotent government are trying to capitalize on the economic crisis they have caused to further expand their power. Advocates of liberty must work harder than ever to convince people that inappropriate government power is not the solution to our economic troubles, but their very cause.”




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Comment by exeter
2010-04-02 09:13:22

“Louis Spagnuolo of WCS Lending in Boca Raton answers questions from readers. Q: My family of five is squeezing into a two-bedroom, one-bath home. It’s worth less than we paid. We thought of everything, from selling to foreclosing, but because we have a private lender and not a bank, our options are limited. I came up with the idea of adding on to make the home more livable, but we’d be looking at a $50,000 job. Because I have no equity, I can’t get a line of credit and don’t have that kind of cash sitting around. We don’t want to foreclose. We’re trapped in a tiny home with good credit, but no one will lend us money for renovations. Is there any help out there? — Mike.”

Yes… yes indeed there is help Mike. Pull your head out of your ass.

Comment by Timmy Boy
2010-04-02 09:47:13

“Jon Wolford, Realtor, Long & Foster: ‘An individual has to determine whether it’s the best time for them to buy. Do they have the savings set aside? Are they capable of budgeting and making those payments? Because the last thing that any of us need in America need are more people buying homes that can’t afford to make the payments in the future.’”

WHAT?!? An honest Real-hor telling the truth??

WE CAN’T HAVE THIS!! TURN IN YOUR GOLD JACKET, SIR!!

Comment by exeter
2010-04-02 09:53:53

And the question is…. What was Jon Wolford, Realt-Whore saying to buyers back in 2005????

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-04-02 09:54:32

Because the last thing that any of us need in America need are more people buying homes that can’t afford to make the payments in the future.

Hey he’s not with Century 21 so he doesn’t have that fancy gold jacket.

I was shocked when I read this in the summary above, and went right down to the comments to see if it was a shock to others here.

Comment by Natalie
2010-04-02 13:49:35

I wonder if he says this to clients or whether it was one of those unguarded moments in which he accidently said what he was really thinking.

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Comment by Timmy Boy
2010-04-02 09:51:30

“We’re trapped in a tiny home with good credit, but no one will lend us money for renovations. Is there any help out there? — Mike.”

Yes.. there is help:

1) Work hard
2) Squirrel away your savings
3) Save up to build an addition

Now… here’s the difficult part to explain to “homeowners” today:

4) Pay CASH for your home improvement/addition
5) Don’t “improve” your house w/ BLING (fancy countertops/ranges)
6) Focus on basic/functional improvements

Comment by DennisN
2010-04-02 10:05:38

Or…..

Go rent a place that’s big enough for your family. Dispose of the house as you see fit: sell or rent it out.

Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-04-02 12:50:22

Could get shipping containers and build habitrail tubes to them from the house.

New bedrooms!

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Comment by Natalie
2010-04-02 13:54:08

“no one will lend us money for renovations” - Considering these ppl make are paid commissions on originations shouldn’t that tell you something about the soundness of your financial plan?

 
Comment by Curt
2010-04-02 15:10:55

Don’t “improve” your house w/ BLING (fancy countertops/ranges)

Koi ponds ok?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-04-02 19:25:49

koi ok

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Comment by DebtinNation
2010-04-03 06:24:34

Koi ponds are functional because you can eat the Koi if times get really tough.

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Comment by JackO
2010-04-02 16:16:48

Sit in your house and enjoy it! Why do you think it will be better if it is bigger. It will be more work for your wife, it will cost you lots of money, your kids will fight over the rooms and who gets to sleep where, and you can always pitch a tent in the backyard when your wife kicks you out for snoring in bed!

 
 
Comment by SMF
2010-04-02 09:34:32

There are now estimated to be around a quarter of a million empty properties across the state which were built before the financial crisis and the chronic downturn, and which people can no longer afford to move into.

That phrase can apply anywhere in the world now. Anyways, this is not just an issue of affordability, but an issue of inventory.

You see, the profits were so great that an excess supply of homes were built, all over the world. There are more homes than people willing to occupy them at any price point.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-04-02 09:38:41

“I close escrow on my own home — a modest little two-bedroom townhouse — in just about two weeksIt’s not too big, not too small, just the perfect size for a 20-something bachelor to spread his wings” ??

Quite honestly I am happy for him…He seems very excited, a feeling all of us have had when you purchase your first home…Kind of like the first time you moved out of your parents house with a multiplier…With that said, given the economy in Turlock Ca., and the wages that private industry offers, I would make a bet that he either #1. Works for some governmental agency or #2. Works in some kind of family business…

Comment by Dman
2010-04-02 10:28:44

…and #3, will be kicking himself in the ass when the value of his house continues to drop.

Comment by scdave
2010-04-02 13:06:24

value of his house continues to drop ??

Irrelevant unless you want to sell…

Comment by Timmy Boy
2010-04-03 00:22:18

Even then… it doesn’t matter.. because your replacement house will be cheaper.

… You’ve gotta live somewhere!!

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Comment by DennisN
2010-04-02 12:34:39

Read the article. He works for the newspaper.

Comment by scdave
2010-04-02 13:04:59

I missed that…I did not open the link…So, I would have lost my bet :(

 
Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2010-04-02 13:46:34

LOL, yeah working for a newspaper in Turlock is a stable, growth industry. Clear sailing ahead, pal.

Comment by Suzyk
2010-04-02 14:29:57

Working for a newspaper in two big cities (San Fran & San Jose) hasn’t been good to my son’s friend. He was laid off in 08′ from the Merc and went to work for the Chronicle but had his hours reduced by half so now he also works at our small town newspaper part-time. He feels trapped mostly because his mom & step-dad talked him into buying a house with them back in the spring of 06′. They were going to make some fast money (because the seminars told them they would).
Here’s how his situation has gone from bad to worse over the last four years:
The step dad put down 250K from a home he sold in the south bay (He owned it since 72′ & it was paid off but he took out a new mortgage for the 250K downpayment then sold the house six months later for 625K). The mom & son got some kind of interest only loan for thier “2/3″ interest. Back in 08′ they heard the loan market was tightening up so they refied into a 30 yr fixed (just before the son lost his full time job at the Merc) I know they had to put some cash into the deal to make the financing work. The homes’ values has dropped over 270K as of today. (As a side note, the guy’s mom & step-dad each own paid for homes here that they rent out.) Oh it gets better too….The step-dad lost his 25+year tech job in 08′ and he’s now 64 and has been forced into retirement since no one will hire him. What I advised them to do back in 06′ was to sell the San Jose since they had lived in it for the three years preceding the sale and bank or whatever with the profit, then move into one of the two paid for homes (both have Prop 13 tax rates)) and live there for two years, sell and then move into the remaining home Ssingle story home for retirement. But nooooooo that was too easy and logical. Now they are 62 & 64 stuck in a house with the value dropping that is NOT going to come back in the near future. Not only that, the home is three stories and the mom’s knees have required three surgeries in the lsat 18mos. Those stairs must be hell these days. Of course they are only stuck because they don’t want to let go of the loss on the down payment and get on with their lives. No they are sure salvation is just around the corner so they keep paying (about 1K per mo. more than prevailing rents for the same neighborhood) and the son will stay enslaved to this house….hope he doesn’t want to get married soon and start his own life…’cause he can’t.

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Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-04-02 16:40:16

This is discrimination. The aforementioned buyer is getting the full 8K tax credit for buying a small property, while I need a 3 bedroom home. Intended consequences? The punishes people who have children.It should be 4K tax credit per bedroom. That way, studios get zero, one br’s get 8K, 2 br’s get 12K, and 3 br’s get 16K. Sounds right to me. I’d buy for a 16K credit! :) Maybe even a spare br! :)

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-04-02 10:01:39

God, some awful articles in that collection. The one from Turlock, with it’s extended environmental metaphor mixing Lawrence Yun and Thoreau, stands out in particular. The young author perceives himself as “woefully underpaid,” but the sun’s light is shining on him now and his homeownership dream is watered by an $8,000 tax credit and fertilized by the overreaching and desperation of those who preceded him. He will now be part of the landscape, like a sapling soon to grow into the mighty sequoia of California equity appreciation. Someone should tell that kid he’s lucky to have a job!

And another almost comically horrifying piece from Vancouver. The very fact that condo buildings are named Shangri-La or Xanadu should be the strongest possible deterrent to buying. What is community now? A half-empty condo tower occupied part of the year by jerks you wouldn’t even lend an egg to.

Comment by DennisN
2010-04-02 10:08:52

All I remember about Turlock are those awful radio advert jingles, about “Turkeys from Turlock!” Not exactly the “California dream”. Much of California isn’t all that wonderful, especially in the Central Valley.

Comment by pismoclam
2010-04-02 19:34:05

Years ago, 99 ran into one end of Turlock and was the main street. Street lights every block with a 25mph speed limit between. Couldn’t wait to get out of town on my way to Stockton and the Hoosier Inn. Then the highway bipassed and parts of the town died until the housing bubble.It’s dying again.

 
Comment by Sagesse
2010-04-02 19:55:05

“Much of California isn’t all that wonderful”. You should see places in the Northeast. Maybe you have.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-04-02 10:13:40

I felt my heart well up as my realtor guided me through otherwise nice homes up for short sales.

You do know there’s no future in print journalism, don’t you? Especially when you write like this and have spiked hair? (See the photo in the original article.)

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-04-02 10:20:44

Unkind! But true! I bet he invested his 401(k) in a buggywhip making concern.

 
Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2010-04-02 13:48:56

I look forward to the follow up article, as his a*s swells up as it’s invaded by a Joshua Tree.

 
 
Comment by JackO
2010-04-02 16:19:54

woefully underpaid, and he thinks a $8,000 tax credit will help him?
It only helps if you have to pay taxes!

 
Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-04-02 16:50:51

I would lend an egg to anyone. That’s such a funny comment. Maybe Vancouver is truly a collection of the rich. I don’t know. If I were rich, I wouldn’t be worrying about the price of real estate at all, for my own personal residence. Would you? Who cares if the house is 100K or 1,000K? One still doesn’t want to live with the riff-raff, so it doesn’t matter as much as it does to most of US. They ain’t NEVER gone live in the hood, no matter what. They just gon pay more. (Or even less)! :)

 
Comment by Sagesse
2010-04-02 19:33:58

I did not know the main dream of Gen Y’ers was about white picket fences.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-04-02 10:29:33

“….crisis couldn’t be blamed on the government….”

Yeah, another “it’s the government’s fault, they should have let the free market system work” rant.

The politicians are basically stupid and go where the money is. That will never change.

Wall Street and the Homebuilding Industrial Complex (aka, the so-called “free market”) lobbied for most of the government policies that enabled the bubble, and paid the politicians to make it happen…..including having the government repeal/fail to enforce laws policies enacted during the last meltdown to prevent a repeat performance.

Now, it “would have been okay, if it hadn’t been for the politicians interfering with the free market”

There’s enough blame to go around. But who benefited most? Follow the money.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-04-02 13:47:25

“Wall Street and the Homebuilding Industrial Complex (aka, the so-called “free market”) lobbied for most of the government policies that enabled the bubble,”

Aren’t you defeating your own argument here?

Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2010-04-02 13:57:49

I think X-GSfixr’s point is that it was a wave of de regulation that preceded the bubble and bust, it was not primarily a problem of over-regulation. Also see: S&L crisis.

Comment by oxide
2010-04-02 15:58:14

Thanx Jimmy. I’m running into a lot of this “Obama’s Socialism got us into the mess” -type talk. I guess there’s a new batch out of the Talking Point Central. Good thing too — that “scrap the bill and start over” meme went a wee bit past its expiration point.

If there hadn’t been many years of deregulation and enabling of the wave of M&A and Private equity LBOs, which did nothing but shed jobs and give us entities too-big-to-fail, we wouldn’t have needed Obama’s “socialism.”

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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-04-02 17:44:19

OK, people, one more time here: Who charters banks and other financial institutions in the first place? And who created the FDIC that results in these supposedly “private” institutions needing to be bailed out with taxpayer money?

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-04-02 19:58:43

Many entities that were simply middlemen for MBS’s sales were bailed out as well as Insurance Companies and Hedge Funds . What did this have to do with the FDIC system of regulated
Banks ?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-04-02 10:38:53

One or two families, if any, might reside in one of these monuments to the death of the Celtic Tiger.”

Good line.

While there is no guarantee that the Irish taxpayer will get back any of the billions that were used to prop up the struggling banks, they may be comforted by the sight of a string of former stars of the banking industry being taken in handcuffs to Irish courts.”

At least one country with some integrity left. If only this would come to America…I guess not with GS giving more money to obama and the democrats than the entire financial industry combined gave to the republicans.

Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-04-02 17:08:56

There should be a class action lawsuit against the Chinese companies that provided this inferior product. An why not?

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-04-02 10:41:39

“Just how far behind I am in the race to get into the Chinese property market was made starkly clear to me recently. My cleaning lady – who earns about $90 a month for each of the handful of households she cleans (considered a high rate for Beijing) – recently beamed proudly to me about becoming a homeowner.”

Do they have strawberry pickers in China? Or the Chinese SRS?

Comment by oxide
2010-04-02 11:02:14

Don’t know about strawberries pickers in China, but America had millions of cleaning ladies getting rich of buying stock on margin, in 1929.

 
 
Comment by Rancher
2010-04-02 11:09:51

New federal guidelines say thousands of U.S. homes tainted by Chinese drywall won’t be safe unless they are completely gutted.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission released the guidelines Friday. They say electrical wiring, outlets, circuit breakers, fire alarm systems, carbon monoxide alarms, fire sprinklers, gas pipes and drywall must be removed.

About 3,000 homeowners, mostly in Florida, Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana, have reported problems with the Chinese-made drywall.

A large quantity of the drywall was imported during the housing boom and after a string of Gulf Coast hurricanes. It has been linked to corrosion of wiring, air conditioning units, computers, doorknobs and jewelry, along with possible health problems.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-02 11:52:36

regarding metals corrosion.. How come the CPSC didn’t include all nails and screws and bolts… joist hangers.. hinges..

Do they think it’s OK if the whole house falls apart and comes down around someone’s ears?

Comment by oxide
2010-04-02 12:08:54

There is probably not enough sulfuric acid gas in the drywall to cause more than surface corrosion on bulk metal pieces. They are more worried about thinner metal pieces which have to carry electical current or keep a pressure. (It would be different if it were chloride.) Once the drywall is gone, it may be enough to inspect. Although, I’d wash off any exposed metal with a slightly caustic solution just to neutralize any remaining acid.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-02 12:19:12

heh… wash it with a caustic.. this is getting complicated fast.

The head of a nail isn’t exactly thick and there’s tons of pressure behind them.. What metal gauge are joist hangers? While thick, I know they are paranoid about gas pipes leaking..

My guess is they didn’t even think about nails and screws or, since you might as well bulldoze the place and start over, decided to pretend they never thought about them.

As for the main problem being sulfide or sulfuric fumes, no doubt that’s the big thing… but I wouldn’t rule out chlorides or nitrates as well. None of the crap in the drywall was pharmaceutical grade.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-02 16:24:38

I haven’t found any likely connection to chlorides, but did find a couple other possibilities.

Calcium sulfate is the main ingredient in drywall.

..In addition to natural sources, calcium sulfate is produced as a by-product in a number of processes:

In the production of phosphoric acid from phosphate rock, calcium phosphate is treated with sulfuric acid and calcium sulfate precipitates.

In the production of hydrogen fluoride, calcium fluoride is treated with sulfuric acid, precipitating calcium sulfate.
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Since nothing used in drywall is pure and drywall manufacture is one way to “recycle” of mountains of various industrial wastes (fly ash among them), there are two more acid possibilities: Phosphoric and (hydro)fluoric.. the former, while weak, eats iron and the latter etches / dissolves glass iirc..

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-04-02 12:50:29

I worked in a Chlorine plant as a tadpole, making hypo. What an experience to watch fast forward corrosion. Want to see Skye vomit 40 years later, give him a glass of chlorinated city water. Got to deal with Sulfuric funes too (Oleum). It’s not good for your breathing. I’d be more concerned about that than the fixtures in the house.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-04-02 12:59:03

In a lot of “public health” and “safety” related products, you are required to track products, by lot #, serial number, etc.

Too bad they didn’t think to do the same with drywall. Could have saved everyone involved a lot of time/bother/expense/lawsuits/etc…..knowing where the drywall went, and what houses it was installed in.

But we’re talking residential building contractors and suppliers. Tracking products like that would be “government interference in the private sector”. And none of the were going to do it voluntarily.

Sometimes, it sucks to be them; OTOH, they have the option of punching the “Chapter 11″ button, and stiffing all their customers.

I have YET to hear some business guy say “I’d like to file Chapter 11, but that would be government interfering with our business, so we can’t do that……”

Not that I think government is all that great. Always a day late and a dollar short.

Government = Trying to bring some order to the chaos.

(Disclaimer: Other than one brother in the Border Patrol, myself and no one in my family or circle of friends is affiliated with any kind of government entity)

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-02 13:21:32

Other than one brother in the Border Patrol, myself and no one in my family or circle of friends is affiliated with any kind of government entity

My wish for your brother: Be safe out there, and thank you for your service!

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-04-02 13:44:25

myself and no one in my family or circle of friends is affiliated with any kind of government entity

You need to be. Then you’d see more clearly what it’s like.

 
 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-04-02 13:12:46

And now that it has been determined “toxic” it needs to be contained and manifested in its demolition and disposal..That just quadrupled the cost of removal..

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-02 14:24:20

big money sitting there for anyone who wants it..
I was thinking it takes maybe one day for two guys to carefully strip the rock off a large room… move furniture.. whatever. Take your time.

Plastic insulation protects Romex and other wiring, except for around the connectors or outlets. I think splicing is OK if an additional box is provided for the splice.

Few rooms have gas pipe. That’s mostly in the lower level floor and some short stub behind the kitchen ovens / water heater / clothes dryer.
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One article yesterday.. a property tax thing.. said many thousands of Florida houses with this drywall problem were re-assessed at HALF of previous value. If I could buy one of these houses at half-price just due to drywall problems, I’d seriously consider it.

 
 
 
Comment by ACH
2010-04-02 11:19:36

The owner was willing to negotiate the $310,000 asking price. ‘The date the credit would expire was always in our minds,’ said Bertola, a 24-year-old insurance underwriter.”

$310k for a 24 year old?

Gawd! I’m 53 yr and I wouldn’t borrow that for ANY house.

Roidy

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-02 11:30:20

When I turned 24, I was bicycling around the United States. Matter of fact, I hit the big two-four while I was heading south along the California coast. On Highway One.

Ahhh, memories.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-04-02 13:05:00

When I was 24, I got married.

Seemed like the thing to do at the time. Couldn’t come up with any reasons not to.

But I definitely found some later….. :)

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-04-02 15:40:29

When i was 19……& etc.

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Comment by Chris M
2010-04-02 15:48:37

When I was 24, I moved into an apartment with my fiance. She and I were renters at the time. But any nostalgia we now have for those good old days is not related to the supposed freedom afforded by renting. In fact, renting kinda sucked. But we saved our money, and 2 years later we got married and bought a house. Now we’re 38, and raising 3 kids in our move-up house. It’s worth $45K less than we paid in ‘04 according to Zillow, but my mortgage is about $45K lower too. So my equity is about equal. Due to the hassle of moving, and the thousands paid to the realtor, we had no intention of moving again for decades. I hope to pay off the mortgage before my 9 year old is ready to start college. Meanwhile, we have a big 4 bedroom house to live and play in. This spring we’re going to fence the back yard for the baby, and maybe do some kitchen upgrades. We’ll pay cash, of course. We’d never dream of borrowing more money.

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Comment by oxide
2010-04-02 16:01:20

I congratulate you on your stable job. Not everyone is so lucky.

 
Comment by Sagesse
2010-04-02 19:42:47

At that age, what was and still feels like your dream, to you, would have been a nightmare, to me.

 
Comment by Chris M
2010-04-02 22:11:57

Yes, I definitely am lucky. But I have to give myself some credit for not wasting my good fortune on bling and short term pleasures. Through the boom years, I lived within my means, and put my efforts towards taking care of my family. Tomorrow is another day. Sometimes the doom and gloom on this board gets to me. I just wanted to try to provide an alternate view of things.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-04-02 12:36:39
Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2010-04-02 14:31:27

Were any of these projects on our tour last year?

Comment by scdave
2010-04-02 14:37:02

Were any of these projects on our tour last year ??

Why sure they were…We must have drove right by without you noticing…Didn’t you see all the prairie dogs running around ?? That was it.. :)

Comment by Chris M
2010-04-02 15:11:44

One of them features “units pre-wired for WiFi connectivity”. :)

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Comment by Carl Morris
2010-04-02 15:27:03

Good one.

 
 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-04-02 14:34:18

The Broken Dreams tour…I love it…

Good one Lavi d… :)

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2010-04-02 17:15:11

Just can’t believe that the Beverly Hillbillies Resort didn’t get traction!

Come on, they had Max Baer Esq. Jr and a flaming oil derrick, and all kinds of STUFF.

Then again, if they neglected to prewire for Wi-Fi, the urban hip and edgy types probably did bail just for spite.

Bummer. Was hoping to rub elbows with Ellie May and Grannie.

 
 
Comment by VegasBob
2010-04-02 13:18:39

The fallout from the way the banks behaved has ended up with senior bank officials being arrested by the Garda Síochána, with several prosecutions being threatened down the line. While there is no guarantee that the Irish taxpayer will get back any of the billions that were used to prop up the struggling banks, they may be comforted by the sight of a string of former stars of the banking industry being taken in handcuffs to Irish courts.

Ahhh, it would be so nice to see the same kind of justice meted out here in the States…

 
Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-04-02 13:56:54

The last article in Ben’s post is a must read. Thomas E. Woods is worth tracking on youtube to see how the Austrian (Von Mises) economic school predicted what happened with the bubble and what probably will happen with the Administration’s reckless following of Keynesian theory. Not encouraging but enlightening.
It’s interesting to go back to old youtube segments of Peter Schiff ( another Von Mises adherent) arguing with David Learah types that the bubble would pop.
Reading about the Irish and Spanish banks, and comparing their condition to our own banks TBTF, only reinforces my view that we are headed full speed down, as F.A. Hayek said, “The Road to Serfdom.”
The accruing debt loads and continuous wasteful/deficit spending are not sustainable and, if continued, will make concern about the 2012 Presidential election a moot point. There won’t be one.

Comment by scdave
2010-04-02 14:54:09

You sir are correct…That is a must read…

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-04-02 18:47:38

Oh, there will be an election… your vote won’t matter since the last days of the looting will be upon us and the bankers’s votes will the only ones that count, but the election will still happen. But we got to keep the sheeple believing in the hope’n'change lest they notice the real crooks in all this…

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-04-02 15:25:14

“A morale-boosting advertising campaign, backed by 18 large banks and companies, tells glum Spaniards that their problems can be fixed ‘between us all.’”
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My wife and I took a short vacation to Spain last year, and on more than one occasion I heard or saw bank advertising: the same gently upbeat, pleasantly-voiced “we’re your partner” propaganda that Americans marinate in daily. I was surprised at the number of bank branches; they seemed to be everywhere. The only overt counterpoint we saw was a Spanish flag hanging out a window with the pleading inscription “España se hunde” (”Spain is sinking”).

But the worst was our connecting flight in London. The jetway from the plane to the gate, and the hallway from the gate area to the main terminal, was covered with so much bank advertising that I thought we’d landed in a country called HSBC. I didn’t see a single Union Jack anywhere.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-02 15:39:44

I didn’t see a single Union Jack anywhere.

That’s surprising. Because on the international flag-waving scale, the Brits are right up there with the Americans.

 
Comment by Sagesse
2010-04-02 22:06:52

HSBC spends a fortune on airport advertising. Because they have no branches where people live?

 
Comment by Sagesse
2010-04-02 22:09:20

The Hongkong Shanghai Banking Corporation does not have many neighborhood branches like community banks, in Europe.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-02 17:03:17

Before taking Krugman’s advice, how about conducting a full-scale investigation into whether the TBTF banks were “banking” on bailouts — i.e., funding inane lending practices knowing full well that they would be made whole when it came to light that they had thrown good money after bad credit risks?

If this is the case, and the largest banks are enabled to retain their TBTF insurance, I don’t see how futzing around with banking regulations will fix anything. I’m also open to the possibility that like many of his professional peers, Krugman has been captured by Wall Street interests…

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By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: April 1, 2010

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Comment by SDGreg
2010-04-02 17:22:14

I would argue you need both smaller financial institutions and greater regulation and enforcement. Even with smaller financial institutions during the late 80’s, there were problems due to lax enforcement.

Once the financial institutions became sufficiently large to buy political influence, regulation and enforcement were gutted during the past decade. You need regulation and enforcement and you can’t get that if the financial institutions are so large they own the political system.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-02 17:18:00

* BUSINESS
* APRIL 1, 2010

Fed Opens the Books on Bear, AIG Toxic Assets

By SERENA NG And CARRICK MOLLENKAMP

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York lifted a veil of secrecy on the troubled mortgage assets it purchased as part of the 2008 rescues of Bear Stearns Cos. and American International Group Inc.

The disclosures listed scores of subprime residential mortgage securities and pieces of commercial loans made to dozens of properties across the country, such as the Crossroads Mall in Oklahoma City—featuring the city’s only indoor full-size carousel—and the Hilton Garden Inn in Panama City, Fla.

Commercial real-estate loans in the Bear portfolio have an unpaid principal balance of about $8.3 billion and were valued at about $4 billion in the fall of 2009, or about half their original value. Above, the headquarters of Bear Stearns in 2008.

The data show the government is now in the same situation as many U.S. banks: dealing with a portfolio of loans and property that have lost their value, and which borrowers are struggling to pay off.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-02 17:20:27

* APRIL 2, 2010, 7:47 P.M. ET

U.S. Probes Foreclosure-Data Provider
Lender Processing Services Unit Draws Inquiry Over the Processes Led to Faulty Bank Paperwork

By AMIR EFRATI And CARRICK MOLLENKAMP

A subsidiary of a company that is a top provider of the documentation used by banks in the foreclosure process is under investigation by federal prosecutors.

The prosecutors are “reviewing the business processes” of the subsidiary of Lender Processing Services Inc., based in Jacksonville, Fla., according to the company’s annual securities filing released in February. People familiar with the matter say the probe is criminal in nature.

Michelle Kersch, an LPS spokeswoman, said the subsidiary being investigated is Docx LLC. Docx processes and sometimes produces documents needed by banks to prove they own the mortgages. LPS’s annual report said that the processes under review have been “terminated,” and that the company has expressed its willingness to cooperate. Ms. Kersch declined to comment further on the probe.

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office for the middle district of Florida, which the annual report says is handling the matter, declined to comment.

The case follows on the dismissal of numerous foreclosure cases in which judges across the U.S. have found that the materials banks had submitted to support their claims were wrong. Faulty bank paperwork has been an issue in foreclosure proceedings since the housing crisis took hold a few years ago. It is often difficult to pin down who the real owner of a mortgage is, thanks to the complexity of the mortgage market.

During the housing boom, mortgages were originated by lenders, quickly sold to Wall Street firms that bundled them into debt pools and then sold to investors as securities. The loans were supposed to change hands but the documents and contracts between borrowers and lenders often weren’t altered to show changes in ownership, judges have ruled.

That has made it hard for banks, which act on behalf of mortgage-securities investors in most foreclosure cases, to prove they own the loans in some instances.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-02 17:23:02

How can debt be backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. Treasury but not be sovereign? I don’t get it.

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Geithner: Fannie, Freddie Debt Isn’t Sovereign Debt

By Michael Crittenden

Debt from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac shouldn’t be considered sovereign debt, but there should be no doubt about the U.S. government’s support for the two firms, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said in a recent letter to a U.S. House lawmaker.
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner (Getty Images)

Geithner, responding to a letter from to Rep. Scott Garrett (R., N.J.), said debt from the two government-sponsored enterprises isn’t the same as U.S. Treasurys, but that support for the two firms “is crucial in helping to stabilize the housing market and the overall economy. The Treasury’s actions regarding the two firms, which have been under government control since September 2008, “should leave no uncertainty about Treasury’s commitment to support Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,” Geithner wrote.

“The Administration will take care not to pursue policies or reforms in a way that would threaten to disrupt the function or liquidity of these securities or the ability of the GSEs to honor their obligations,” Geithner wrote.

The question of what to do with the two firms has been a growing issue in Washington, where the Obama administration and Congress are already focused on overhauling regulation of U.S. financial markets. Geithner and administration officials hope to move regulatory overhaul legislation through Congress before tackling the future of the two mortgage finance firms, though the administration will begin seeking public comments on the housing finance system beginning April 15.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-04-03 05:51:42

PB…I guess they think if they change the name of the debt it’s not sovereign debt anymore .

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-04-02 17:52:19

“That number is about 21 percent for San Diego County. Myers says migration from other states is also down. He says in San Diego the high cost of living is a big factor.”

“‘Again, because of your high housing prices,’ he says. ‘How can people afford to move in from Texas or Florida? So the only people who are there are people who’ve been there a long time or people who grew up there.’”

I suspect those that have been here longest are most likely to stay. They could have bought housing when it was cheaper and are paying far less in property taxes under prop 13 than those that bought more recently or those who might buy now. To the extent overall population in San Diego and California is largely stable, my guess is that births to recent immigrants are offsetting the continuing, but slower exodus of the middle class.

Those potentially migrating from Texas and Florida would take a bigger financial hit coming to California as neither has a state income tax with the California income tax one of the highest in the country.

 
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