Bits Bucket For April 4, 2010
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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is it already tomorrow?
It is the 21st century, long after the demise of the Roman Empire.
It is high time to throw off the yoke of the last vestiges of the Roman Empire, which is Catholic religion, and move on to a more enlightened and wholesome form of spiritual awakening.
The West itself is a ‘vestige’ of the Roman Empire, so I wouldn’t be too ready to rid ourselves of it completely. The Church, however, has probably fulfilled its role of teaching us barbarians how to at least pretend to be civilized. We can take it from here…I think.
England, and through them the US is the last bastion of the Roman Empire.
The Church is an organization of man and will always expose the corruption of man. I look to the Creator and to my risen Savior.
England, and through them the US is the last bastion of the Roman Empire.
Surely Canada gets in their, and Australia/New Z, and western Europe (which actually has closer ties to them than we do). So like I said, the West.
And most of the Middle East was set up by them, too, back when the area functioned well. Then they threw off their ‘last vestiges’ of Roman rule and have been sliding into the abyss ever since.
“The West itself is a ‘vestige’ of the Roman Empire, so I wouldn’t be too ready to rid ourselves of it completely.”
I like to think of the period from the end of the Roman Empire through about 1500 as a very long recession in modern civilization. Thanks to the Renaissance, the last 500 years have shown some promising signs of recovery, but until we throw off the shackles of monopolistic (”Thou shalt have no other gods before me,” “Allah Akbar,” etc.) religious oppression which accompanied Middle Age darkness, we won’t fully arrive.
And just to be clear, I have nothing against religion in general, so long as it is practiced according to the dictates of each individual’s own conscience, in a manner which does no harm to others.
It could be seen as a double-dip recession, with the Renaissance being the dead cat bounce, the Reformation being the second trough, and the Enlightenment being the recovery in whose twilight we live.
“…the Reformation being the second trough,…”
That part I miss. I personally feel an eternal debt of gratitude to Martin Luther for beginning the demise of Catholicism.
Wait — now I get it: A trough presages the beginning of a recovery…
I like to think of the period from the end of the Roman Empire through about 1500 as a very long recession in modern civilization. Thanks to the Renaissance, the last 500 years have shown some promising signs of recovery, but until we throw off the shackles of monopolistic (”Thou shalt have no other gods before me,” “Allah Akbar,” etc.) religious oppression which accompanied Middle Age darkness, we won’t fully arrive.
The Renaissance actually began in the second half of the 1300s. And it probably wouldn’t have if it weren’t for the effects of the Black Death.
“I personally feel an eternal debt of gratitude to Martin Luther for beginning the demise of Catholicism.”
And ML’s theology led to the birth of the fundamentalist extremism. Fallwell, Haggard and other assorted freaks are it’s adherents.
No thanks. I’ll take Catholicism.
And I’ll take one of my favorite rock bands:
http://thecatholicgirls.net/
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No thanks. I’ll take Catholicism.
Good find aNYCdj!
Thanks eco, they should have been the supergroup of the 80’s not the bangles or the go-gos. They were canceled for Saturday night live because they thought the name was too controversial…no kidding check out the videos on youtube….they were way ahead of their time and still today. Girls can rock and play like the boys…
“I’ll take Catholicism.”
I’ll take The Catholic Girls (thx aNYCdj!)…
Recovering Catholic here wishing everyone a Happy Easter. Waking up early to go to our Spiritual Center for Easter. Great motivational speech my the minister and incredible music with the choir.
I need to start a Zydeco church……I could forgive your sins while making you dance your azzz off..
Happy Easter.
Picked up the beaten and battered Telecaster, plugged her into the amp with just a hair of overdrive, poured myself a strong IPA, and played me some “I ain’t got no complaints” blues. That was spiritual enough, realizing my family is healthy, I have food in my belly and a roof over my head.
And Cadbury Creme Eggs.
wow.. did i just read that?
What’s with this .. “throw off the yoke”? Would you elaborate on that?
While freedom of religion seems to bother you, there’s no doubt you take great pleasure exercising freedom of speech, so please enlighten us.
“Would you elaborate on that?”
Sure. Any religion that practices a code of silence to protect child molesters should be banned.
hmm.. glass houses..
http://bigjournalism.com/jhudnall/2010/02/09/teachers-unions-the-child-molesters-best-friend/
..just happens to highlight a math teacher..
practices a code of silence to protect child molesters ??
Yeah…I agree Pbear but I still retain my faith…Its just more inward now…Its not just the Catholics either…
Happy Easter Sunday everyone…
What about religions that promise an afterlife rich with virgins for murdering innocent people?
“Its not just the Catholics either…”
Which other religions maintain a code of silence to protect child molesters? I personally am not aware of any, but if you could provide examples, I would appreciate it. I am serious about my interest in eradicating any religion that protects child molesters.
The point I was trying to make is the corruption and hypocrisy in many religious orders in general..
“..just happens to highlight a math teacher..”
Did the article mention whether he taught at a Catholic school?
“Any religion that practices a code of silence to protect child molesters should be banned.”
Does ACORN and their Democratic supporters count as State-sponsored religion?
Boy, you guys are in fine form this morning.
What two times of day are a Catholic priest’s favorite times?
Noon and midnight - when the big hand is on the little hand.
“What two times of day are a Catholic priest’s favorite times?
Noon and midnight - when the big hand is on the little hand.”
+1 LMAO!
“It is high time to throw off the yoke of the last vestiges of the Roman Empire, which is Catholic religion, and move on to a more enlightened and wholesome form of spiritual awakening.”
Hey, whatever…do YOUR thing…
Just keep your cotton pickin hands off of the Easter Bunny !!
See below
Could we just stick to housing bubble issues?
I thought we were wishing each other a Happy Ishtar?
PB is cranky this weekend.
BTW, I see little difference between religion and “housing bubble issues.” How else can one explain so many Americans worshiping at the church of “real estate always goes up”?
Religion is the opiate of the masses.
– Karl Marx –
Here is another housing bubble parallel:
Aside from the leadership, most Catholics have left the denial stage of their child abuse scandal and have moved on to the anger stage of the crisis. But the leaders remain firmly mired in denial.
Catholic Hierarchy Rallies Around Pope on Easter
By DANIEL J. WAKIN
Published: April 4, 2010
VATICAN CITY — A prominent cardinal, in a marked departure from Easter Mass tradition at the Holy See, stood before Pope Benedict XVI on Sunday and delivered a very public show of support in the face of growing anger over the Catholic Church’s sex abuse scandal — a topic that the pope stayed resolutely aloof from in his Easter appearances.
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Benedict is no John Paul. He can’t just smile and make everyone forget this issue. Whenever he smiles he looks like Palpatine.
Maybe I shouldn’t have been so irreverent earlier…earthquakes can quickly put the fear of God into an infidel’s heart.
For the statisticians in the virtual room, here is a really cool graph — shows the MMI varies (nearly) linearly with distance>.
log chart. not linear.
* AMERICAS NEWS
* APRIL 4, 2010, 11:41 P.M. ET
Magnitude 7.2 Quake Strikes Baja California
A Wall Street Journal Roundup
A strong earthquake south of the U.S.-Mexico border Sunday damaged buildings in northern Mexico and shook high-rises in downtown Los Angeles and San Diego. At least one person in Mexico was killed and others were feared trapped in their homes.
The magnitude 7.2 quake struck at 3:40 p.m. local time in the state of Baja California, Mexico, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. The epicenter was 16 miles southwest of Guadalupe Victoria, Mexico, a town 20 miles south of the border with California. Seismologists raised their preliminary estimate of the strength of the quake after initially calling it magnitude 6.9. The quake was felt across Southern California and parts of Arizona.
More than 10 powerful aftershocks shook the region during the afternoon. The U.S. Geological Survey said three strong jolts, including a magnitude 5.1 aftershock, were felt in the Imperial County desert east of San Diego.
Baja California state Civil Protection Director Alfredo Escobedo said a man was killed when his home collapsed just outside of Mexicali, a bustling commerce center along the border. There were reports of more people trapped in homes in the area. Rescue teams with dogs and digging equipment were rushing to the city from nearby Tijuana. A government official in Mexicali said authorities were surveying the damage, which was made more difficult because much of the city was without electricity. Local newspaper El Mexicano reported that at least six homes had collapsed.
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Happy Easter! Too early for coffee just yet…
The main points of this article also apply to the other holiday the Catholic church stole from its pagan roots, Christmas.
Let’s relegate propaganda still left over from the Middle Ages to the
realm of fading memory and move on into the 21st century devoid of Catholic repression!
The pagan roots of Easter
* Heather McDougall
* guardian dot co dot uk, Saturday 3 April 2010 14.00 BST
From Ishtar to Eostre, the roots of the resurrection story go deep. We should embrace the pagan symbolism of Easter
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All the fun things about Easter are pagan. Bunnies are a leftover from the pagan festival of Eostre, a great northern goddess whose symbol was a rabbit or hare. Exchange of eggs is an ancient custom, celebrated by many cultures. Hot cross buns are very ancient too. In the Old Testament we see the Israelites baking sweet buns for an idol, and religious leaders trying to put a stop to it. The early church clergy also tried to put a stop to sacred cakes being baked at Easter. In the end, in the face of defiant cake-baking pagan women, they gave up and blessed the cake instead.
Easter is essentially a pagan festival which is celebrated with cards, gifts and novelty Easter products, because it’s fun and the ancient symbolism still works. It’s always struck me that the power of nature and the longer days are often most felt in modern towns and cities, where we set off to work without putting on our car headlights and when our alarm clock goes off in the mornings, the streetlights outside are not still on because of the darkness.
What better way to celebrate, than to bite the head off the bunny goddess, go to a “sunrise service”, get yourself a sticky-footed fluffy chick and stick it on your TV, whilst helping yourself to a hefty slice of pagan simnel cake? Happy Easter everyone!
I like marshmallow peeps.
Peeps in the microwave puff up like toads.
The pagan roots of Easter
Happy Ishtar!
lol
It is a little early for Maypoles. As far as I know, Easter didn’t ever encompass them. Is is just because they were traditional for later in the farming cycle, or was the sexual imagery just too much for the Church to incorporate.
It’s later in the farming cycle.
Oestare was originally March 21, the equinox. So Mayday (Beltane), May 1, is six weeks later and a separate holiday. Mayday is generally the last frost, when the seeds are planted, with all the sexual imagery that goes with.
Old age has its benifits. Because I’m so forgetful I get to hide my own Easter eggs.
I moved into this neighborhood 3 1/2 years ago. There was a house for sale down the street on the corner. It is still for sale with a new price.
Oh goody!
Roidy
Who are these people that have houses for sale for 3, 4, and 5 years? Can they really be called sellers? I’m inclined to believe that this is a bubble phenomenon, and they’re blinded by greed, holding out for some pie in the sky price which doesn’t exist. I know of MANY houses which have been for sale since 2006, some with no price change at all. In non-bubble times, were there still delusional sellers like these? I finally noticed that one particular house, which started out at $599,000, is now at $279,000. They’ve only got another $100,000 to chop off that bloated price at which point they might start garnering some interest. It’s a 2 bedroom on 9 acres.
Happy Oester, Thor!
Oester, god of blenders, demands the blood of mary. Non-virgin.
What are you doing in the house.. get some fresh air. Call up your buddies and go tag some churches or throw eggs at nuns or something…
What about you? Shouldn’t you be flagellating yourself in some temple?
My penance is to be here, exposing and renouncing religious bigotry and intolerance.
“My penance is to be here, exposing and renouncing religious bigotry and intolerance.”
Not only that, but you also seem to feel compelled to defend the banksters’ temple against sacrilegious remarks. Sorry your life is so hard, Joey…
Oestre means only 8 MORE MONTHS ’till Hogmannay!!!
Yippee!
http://www.hogmanay.net/
Where’s Neil? I need more popcorn.
* Business
* Hedge funds
Tepper pips Paulson to hedge fund peak
Former Goldman Sachs trader David Tepper made £2.5bn last year after betting on the US and Britain bailing out banks
* Richard Wachman
* guardian dot co dot uk, Friday 2 April 2010 15.46 BST
* Article history
USA - Business - Appaloosa Management Hedge Fund’s Tepper
David Tepper, who left Goldman Sachs to found Appaloosa Management, piled into banking stocks just before they were rescued in 2008. Photograph: Najlah Feanny/Corbis
A man who keeps a sculpture of a pair of testicles in his office, which he rubs for luck, has emerged as the world’s richest hedge fund manager, pocketing £2.5bn in 2009 after betting that the US and British governments would not let banks fail.
David Tepper, a 52-year-old former Goldman Sachs junk-bond trader, invested in banks such as Royal Bank of Scotland at the bottom of the market and then watched the shares recover sharply following taxpayer bailouts in 2008.
Tepper, founder of Appaloosa Management, is believed to have earned more than any other hedge fund manager in a single year, surpassing the $3.7bn collected by John Paulson, who took positions against the overvalued US housing market in 2007.
The son of an accountant in Pittsburgh, Tepper was named as the best-paid hedge fund specialist last year by Absolute Return magazine, beating George Soros, who famously bet against the pound in 1992 and helped to force Britain out of the European exchange rate mechanism.
Just as it looked as though the British government would step in and nationalise Lloyds and RBS, Appaloosa invested more than £625m in their shares, which rose sixfold during the course of last year.
Tepper piled into US banks, too, investing millions in Bank of America when the shares were worth $3 – they closed on Thursday at about $18. He also built up stakes in Citigroup, Wells Fargo and Fifth Third Bancorp. According to filings with the US securities and exchange commission, Appaloosa at one point had 46% of its equity holdings in financial companies.
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Must be nice to have access to inside information.
Ya think?
“…Absolute Return magazine,…”
There’s a magazine for everything–even the welfare industry.
Does anybody think that insider trading doesn’t take place ? Why do people associated with Goldmans seems to always make the right moves ? I would be curious if higher ups at Goldmans invested in this Hedge Fund that made 2.5 billion in one year . And to think that they nailed Martha Stewart over that little trade she made .
But my problem with these thieves is you don’t know whats going on
because of deregulation and these entities aren’t transparent and you
would never know a lot because unless a Company goes bankrupted how is the smoking gun to be discovered ?
But if the boys are all in it together, they all have something to lose.
“A man who keeps a sculpture of a pair of testicles in his office, which he rubs for luck, has emerged as the world’s richest hedge fund manager, pocketing £2.5bn in 2009 after betting that the US and British governments would not let banks fail.”
That part jumped out at me…yeeeck…
These sociopaths mistake the raping and pillaging of a nation and its economy with courage (balls). They think they are brave warriors. Utilizing insider information and corrupting nations to them is a matter of high ideals. Thievery is the highest form of valor.
NYCityBoy ….I saw a Documentary about some of those high
rollers and they are caught in the game alright . Some hire Psychiatrists to tell them they are great people (you can hire anything these days ).Again ,when is the Casino going to get exposed for what it is ?
When? Around about WW3.
These are the same guys with testicles hanging from the hitch on their trucks, just slightly more educated.
Or at least better connected anyway.
Our Present Situation: Eight Haiku
By Robert Higgs,
Cherry blossoms in
Washington bathe frightful deeds
in springtime beauty.
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Firms too big to fail
savor scent of roses from
Treasury’s garden.
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No systemic risk
too dark a cloud for Congress
to make darker still.
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Government jobs cause
illusion of revival –
mirage in desert.
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Big banks take their ease
in fields of new-sown clover.
Fine friends ease worries.
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Dear Leader’s voice like
thunder in hot afternoon.
Storm comes very soon.
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Bernanke stays calm.
He has proper “tools” to curb
deluge we now dread.
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River flows smoothly
toward renewed opulence;
then the cataract
Life is a rock
But the radio rolled me.
There once was a system I hated
Whose risks were not properly rated
The system did crash
Most lost all their cash
but our masters were well compensated.
Alright! Time for a HBB limericks thread!!!
Limericks are Numbah One!
Haiku? Meh.
Sleepless in the Far East, having just flew in from NY JFK early this morning, though I quickly check on what is the latest on RE news and found this interesting WaPo article:
How Texas escaped the real estate crisis
By Alyssa Katz
Sunday, April 4, 2010; G02
It’s one of the great mysteries of the mortgage crisis: Why did Texas — Texas, of all places! — escape the real estate bust? Only a dozen states have lower mortgage foreclosure and default rates, and all of them are rural places such as Montana and South Dakota, where they couldn’t have a real estate boom if they tried.
Texas’s 3.1 million mortgage borrowers are a breed of their own among big states with big cities. Fewer than 6 percent of them are in or near foreclosure, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association; the national average is nearly 10 percent. The land in Texas might look an awful lot like its Sun Belt sisters Arizona (with 13 percent of its borrowers in foreclosure) or Nevada (19 percent) — flat and generous in letting real estate developers sprawl where they will. Texas was even the home base of two of the nation’s biggest bubble-era homebuilders, Centex and D.R. Horton.
Texan subprime borrowers do especially well compared with their counterparts elsewhere. The foreclosure rate among subprime borrowers in Texas, at less than 19 percent, is the lowest of any state except Alaska. Part of the reason is that Texas didn’t experience the stratospheric run-ups in home prices that other states did. On average, the home-resale prices of the 20 metro areas in the Case-Shiller Home Price Index peaked in 2006 after more than doubling since 2000. In Dallas, one of the 20 areas, they rose just 25 percent, gradually, and have barely declined.
Perhaps a bit of cultural memory about the RE bust?
From U.S. News and Report, June 2009
(Texas) “Prices peaked in the first quarter of 1982 and then declined steadily. Prices bottomed out in the first quarter of 1997 after losing 33 percent of their value. Texas’ real estate prices have yet to fully recover and now are roughly 15 percent below their prior peak.”
http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/the-home-front/2009/06/19/americas-4-nastiest-regional-housing-busts-2
Perhaps a bit of cultural memory about the RE bust?
I thought that, too, but how do you explain California, which also had a relatively recent housing bust prior to the current one?
“… how do you explain California …?”
A question that endures.
It’s Chinatown.
I think Alyssa needs to stop watching American Idol and start doing more investigative journalism.
Montana had no RE bubble? She lost me right there. The western half of the state saw large price increases. The eastern side not so much.
As for Texas. Love the people. Love the Q. But there is a reason most of the land is dirt cheap.
and all of them are rural places such as Montana and South Dakota..
Yeah…And a lot of them are in “energy” states… Coincidence ?? I think not…
Bush (Texas) Cheney (Wyoming)
The transfer of wealth during run up to $145. per barrel oil was massive…IMO, it insulated these states from the over-dependence on construction unlike CA,NV,AZ & FL….
Why do you blame Bush for this? It was clearly large cheap credit from the Fed supportng hedge funds buying futures? In all that time demand was falling.
MY guess is those states have income from oil that hasn’t gone away yet.
Give it another decade before you rush to judgement.
And Dumbo Bush had nothing to do with the disaster(one of his many) right?
Bush didn’t direct Fannie and Freddie to make 10% of it’s mortgages to sub prime borrowers?
Bush didn’t enacted the Zero Down Payment Act?
Bush didn’t enact The American Dream Low Down Payment Act?
It must have been Obama right? Maybe the tooth fairy. If you’re going to blindly stand by an idiots ideology, be prepared to be called out on it.
What a sock of crock article. We have our own real estate bust in motion. Just on a different track.
But I believe that the bust would be smaller in Texas because of their
refinance rules that I but a summary of above .
In California and other states they were taking out 100% refinances
or more during the boom ,and this was based on liberal hit the mark appraisals . Texas limits how much can be charged on a refinance therefore the commissioned whores couldn’t gain as much on
refinances . Also they have to have a new title report and that
prevent a lot of fraud and borrowers get 12 days to review loan docs
so it’s not as easy for salespeople to lie and get away with it . Also ,after a refinance ,you can’t refinance again for at least 12 months ,and you can’t exceed 80% of the value of the house .
Texas has higher property taxes ,so I would imagine that keeps a check and balance on sky high increases . So anyway ,I don’t think the equity locust were as interested in Texas as other States .
Texas use to not allow equity refinances ,only loans to lower the rate .
They changed to allowing equity refinances but they have hard rules
such as the following :
(1) You can’t get a equity loan for more than 80 percent of value .
(2)You have to wait 12 full months before you can refinance again
(3)Your loans costs cannot exceed 3% of the loan amount and they require a new title policy at 1% of loan ,so the fees are limited .
(4) 12-day rule ..a borrower gets 12 days from the time of signing loan doc. to cancel the loan . This gives greater time to review loan documents .
So ,again we go back to regulations that prevent the ATM machine or fraud with these limitations on refinances .
Desparately seeking comment from Ben…..
‘the real value of FHFA’s HPI for Texas since 1975. Prices peaked in the first quarter of 1982 and then declined steadily. Prices bottomed out in the first quarter of 1997 after losing 33 percent of their value. Texas’ real estate prices have yet to fully recover and now are roughly 15 percent below their prior peak.’
This is about right. 15 years of declines, folks. Think about that. The current bubble was larger in some places, like California and NYC.
I have been telling some CA friends, that the state never regained the income levels either. (Notice the housing bubble boost on the chart the last 10 or so years. Deja vu all over again.)
“This is about right. 15 years of declines, folks. Think about that. The current bubble was larger in some places, like California and NYC.”
I’ve thought about that quite a lot. Moreover, unlike Texas or Japan, whose post-bubble declines unfolded for 15+ years, I take the strong impression that this time is different in CA, due to overt bubble reflation efforts currently underway by the PTB which will, in all likelihood, ultimately prove futile in the face of fundamental equilibrium relationships between housing prices and incomes / rents.
Thanks to bubble reflation efforts currently in play, I am thinking the CA housing downtrend may extend for another 25 years or so. There appears to be no reason whatever for anyone interested to buy a home as a means of long-term household wealth accumulation to purchase in CA at this point.
I’d be curious to see what efforts, if any, Texas supplied to try to reflate the markets in that state a few decades back.
There weren’t really any. Commercial RE was the big loser; a lot more than 33%. And the big banks all failed, as did the S&Ls. Then, it was out of our hands. The RTC took the assets and sold them off, and banks were either closed or sold to out of state corporations. Throw in the tax law changes in the mid-80’s, and it was a bloodbath. But it should have been. I recall reading about office buildings in Dallas that sold 7 times in one day, each time for a lot more money. There was fraud all over the place, and nothing could support those prices.
One interesting stat I read on the RTC website; the total outflow of population from TX was something like 1.7%. But there are oil field towns that still have empty houses everywhere. People moved to where the jobs were. I think about that with this bubble; suburbs of Phoenix and Vegas that shouldn’t exist may never recover, for example.
It seems highly premature for Bernanke’s friend and coauthor, Mark Gertler, to judge the effect of the Fed’s experiment with housing price support. Wouldn’t it seem wise to see how the market behaves after this unnatural experiment is ended before jumping to conclusions about its effect?
Mortgage industry holds breath as Fed drops support
By NATHANIEL POPPER Los Angeles Times - Published: April 4, 2010
NEW YORK — The government’s $1.25 trillion program to prop up the housing market by purchasing mortgages came to an end Wednesday — in a small, messy room at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York with four desks and a Nerf basketball hoop.
For the last year, a small team of traders has worked here to buy massive amounts of mortgages to fill the void left after institutional investors beat a hasty retreat in the throes of the 2008 financial crisis, fearful that the loans would follow countless others into default.
The purchases have given the Federal Reserve its largest balance sheet ever and triggered fears of runaway inflation. But most analysts now credit it for lowering mortgage rates, providing a vital lifeline for the battered housing market.
“Something like this had never been tried on this scale before,” said Mark Gertler, a former resident scholar at the New York Fed and an economics professor at New York University. “The fact that they got it mostly right is quite remarkable.”
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Not sure how well home prices are holding up in the rest of the country, but I am seeing first hand the signs of an unprecedented collapse in Rancho Bernardo (San Diego 92127). I used to regularly check the MLS list prices of single family homes, but basically got bored after it seemed they were stuck on a permanently high plateau. For instance, at the bubble peak (maybe 2006 or so), the median SFR list price in our zip code was something like $1.395 million. It subsequently declined, but remained stuck at around $1.1 million — in fact, it was at that rarefied level the last time I checked before today (maybe last fall some time?).
I just discovered a feature on Redfin dot com that lets one download current MLS listings, which makes it very easy to compute statistics on prices, square footage, etc. As of today, there are 118 SFRs on the MLS for 92127, and the median list price is (drumroll, please!) down to $849,950 — about $250,000 lower than it was the last time I checked. That drop in median list price is equal to upwards of three years of income at the median income level for households living in this zip code.
This is still outrageously expensive, but given that the Fed is withdrawing its MBS purchase program and the first-time homebuyer credit is set to expire at the end of this month, there is no reason to expect the price declines to end here.
I don’t know what the housing stock looks like in that area. Any idea how the price per sq. ft. compares? With such a low number of houses it could just be an anomaly.
If you want to live in 92127 but don’t have the bank to buy a SFR (which start at $425,000 for a 4/2 built in 1969 near John Albert Gardner III’s mom’s home), you can get into a condo for $125,000. I would guess the $125K would get you a converted apartment with faux stone siding on the building, but I am not sufficiently interested to check out the details…
I noticed I made a slight mistake in the median list price for our zip code (92127): It is actually currently at $860,000.
I also found this web site, which estimates the (per capita?) household income at $75,219 and the “Average Home Value” at $312,975 (not clear if this includes condos and townhouses).
Is anyone else seeing a slight disconnect here?
I was in my Phoenix apartment this weekend, thinking that I’m lucky to have the particular apartment in the complex. The main areas are shaded, yet overlook a large green park. The place is very quiet. Knock on wood, I only found one scorpion there after living in it five years. And it was a dead scorpion.
Predictions that the CA real estate will be depressed the next 25 years make me almost tempted to just start buying the toys I wanted to buy, but deprived myself from. A 2011 Ford Mustang (with 5.0 litre engine) is one idea. Or for a foreign car, go up the expense level and lease a BMW - that would make more sense, as I can trade it in every 3 years on a new lease and new styles/options.
I mean, there are no good reasons for a single male to live alone in a SFH neighborhood full of families. For one, the culture is very different. They would treat you always as a stranger. I just feel better in higher density housing as a single. I may as well splurge. But I said that two years ago…
“I mean, there are no good reasons for a single male to live alone in a SFH neighborhood full of families.”
Bill — If I were in your shoes, I would keep my powder dry for a few more years, then buy the most pimped out condo you can afford after prices finally bottom out, which I am pretty sure will happen, at least approximately, within the next half decade.
My sister, also single, bought herself a penthouse level condo near the Governor’s mansion in relatively affordable Denver. She has a view of the Colorado Front Range from her balcony, plenty of space for herself and guests, and access to great amenities. Single-family homes with large yards are not part of her neighborhood…
I didn’t see this editorial posted here before. It’s by a former hedge fund guy who said he saw the whole train wreck coming and was blown off by Alan Greenspan.
ALAN GREENSPAN, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, proclaimed last month that no one could have predicted the housing bubble. “Everybody missed it,” he said, “academia, the Federal Reserve, all regulators.”
But that is not how I remember it. Back in 2005 and 2006, I argued as forcefully as I could, in letters to clients of my investment firm, Scion Capital, that the mortgage market would melt down in the second half of 2007, causing substantial damage to the economy.
This guy put his money where his mouth was, and yet was opposed by his own investors.
Here’s the link.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/opinion/04burry.html?ref=opinion
Whoa, I just now got out of the bathroom, where I finished reading the article in Vanity Fair about Mark Burry, the head of Scion, and his bets against mortgage bonds. I’ll see if I can find the link and post it.
Michael Burry, not Mark. Anyhoo, here’s the guy who saw it coming.
http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2010/04/wall-street-excerpt-201004
Its his story that features prominently in Lewis’s book, “The Big Short” that folks on this blog have talked about the past few days.
Plenty of us got absolutely killed being short early.
I think a lot of people saw it, but to bet against the bubble and make a decent profit you needed big money.
Without the leverage afforded by things like credit default swaps, you might as well short some stock, or use a fund and maybe beat the indexes with a measly 4% profit.. instead of pocketing a 4,000% and better bonanza.
.. and the only people who could afford to get into CDS were big money investors, like hedge funds, and they’re not interested in you and your $1,560.
i just searched “CDS fund” to see if maybe someone put it together for small investors.. no hits. Someone should so it. While the big money is long gone, plenty of small fry bears might be interested.
“No one could have seen it coming.”
Such a crock of sh!t…
House prices
After the fall
Soaring house prices have given a huge boost to the world economy. What happens when they drop?
Jun 16th 2005 | From The Economist print edition
PERHAPS the best evidence that America’s house prices have reached dangerous levels is the fact that house-buying mania has been plastered on the front of virtually every American newspaper and magazine over the past month. Such bubble-talk hardly comes as a surprise to our readers. We have been warning for some time that the price of housing was rising at an alarming rate all around the globe, including in America. Now that others have noticed as well, the day of reckoning is closer at hand. It is not going to be pretty. How the current housing boom ends could decide the course of the entire world economy over the next few years.
This boom is unprecedented in terms of both the number of countries involved and the record size of house-price gains. Measured by the increase in asset values over the past five years, the global housing boom is the biggest financial bubble in history (see article). The bigger the boom, the bigger the eventual bust.
Throughout history, financial bubbles—whether in houses, equities or tulip bulbs—have continued to inflate for longer than rational folk believed possible. In many countries around the globe, house prices are already at record levels in relation to rents and incomes. But, as demonstrated by dotcom shares at the end of the 1990s, some prices could yet rise even higher. It is impossible to predict when prices will turn. Yet turn they will. Prices are already sliding in Australia and Britain. America’s housing market may be a year or so behind.
Many people protest that house prices are less vulnerable to a meltdown. Houses, they argue, are not paper wealth like shares; you can live in them. Houses cannot be sold as quickly as shares, making a price crash less likely. It is true that house prices do not plummet like a brick. They tend to drift downwards, more like a brick with a parachute attached. But when they land, it still hurts. And there is a troubling similarity between the house-price boom and the dotcom bubble: investors have been buying houses even though rents will not cover their interest payments, purely in the expectation of large capital gains—just as investors bought shares in profitless firms in the late 1990s, simply because prices were rising.
Homes as cash machines
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Oh, it was already a god awful mess by 2005. If we could have stopped things in 2003 or early 2004.
The Fed’s Last Hurrah
During the 1990s, inflationary Federal Reserve policy fueled a tech stock bubble. When that bubble burst, the Fed inflated a larger one in real estate. Now that the real estate bubble has burst, the Fed is inflating the biggest bubble of them all - a bubble in government. While the earlier booms at least provided the illusion of prosperity and some fun while they lasted, the government bubble will cripple the economy and deliver widespread misery to the vast majority of Americans.
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The AG “nobody saw it coming” comment always cracks me up.
I saw it coming, at least for the collapse of the housing bubble. I put my money where my mouth was - I quit a good paying job in mid 2005 to clean up the house for sale and to explore where I wanted to move after leaving San Jose. I closed escrow in May 2006 and skedaddled to Boise. If I could see it, anybody should have been able to see it.
My problem was that I didn’t foresee that the collapse of the housing bubble would wreck the rest of the economy too.
I saw it coming, but Greenie is right: I am pretty much nobody on the world stage.
Dennis,
I did the same thing. I took 6 months of to finish the remodel on our Santa Clara home then sold it in early 2004. I was telling people (friends & coworkers) that the numbers didn’t add up.
Here many boiler plate responses. No more land, blah, blah, blah..
Another awesome story by Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone. How Wall Street is looting Main Street. Jeebus, these municipalities should just repudiate the debt.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32906678/looting_main_street/print
It’s Wall street looting the gentiles.
BTW, seen any large empty pea pods?
Palmy..
That’s a great story (well written too; and quite funny at times), thanks for posting it!
What an incredible situation these morons find themselves in.. Why on earth would you try to gamble with someone like JPM or GS at the table; you know the game is rigged in their favor.. If they are offering to sell you something, or give you something, you need to check your wallet, these folks are out to loot you blind.
Banks are in the business of making money.. People need to remember that; much like a used car salesman; they are NOT looking out for your (or in this case, the counties) best interests.. If they could; they’d give you a 1000% per day interest rate.. As soon as you start to think that you’re “in” with the Wall St crowd and they are offering you “great deals”, you should instantly recognize that you’re the sucker in the room and leave as quickly as possible!
Thanks, Mike. I liked the Norman Rockwell “Small Town Accountant Taking a Dump” metaphor, or whatever it was. Also the characterization of the bloodless JP Morgan guy as a cross between Skeletor and Michael Stipe. Priceless!
Great Article and also the article below that is 7 pages called
“Wall Street’s Bailout Hustle” ,is a great article on what the bail out scams were as well as the continuing scams from these Big Investment firms . After reading this article you won’t want to deal with Wall Street anymore in its present form . It’s a rigged Casino that Congress supports ,
But, but, we all know it’s them dang unions and their greedy pensions that is hurting the local govs!
Not the brother-in-law deals and other expensive political favors!
Biggest risk might lie with largest banks
Biotech headlines
By Jeff Ostrowski
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 8:28 p.m. Friday, March 26, 2010
In the aftermath of the Great Recession, banks have clamped down on lending, and the most reckless institutions have failed.
But is the banking sector really any safer? Some argue that the biggest banks have grown only riskier. These institutions survived the credit crunch, absorbed the failures and consolidated their hold over the staid business of retail banking and the more glamorous endeavor of investment banking.
In his new book 13 Bankers, MIT Professor Simon Johnson contends that six huge banks — Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley — have grown too large and should be broken up.
“The big banks are going to become bigger and more dangerous,” Johnson said. “They can’t help themselves. In fact, that’s their job.”
In Palm Beach County, the nation’s four largest banks — Bank of America,
JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup and Wells Fargo — hold nearly half of all deposits. None seem particularly risky at the moment; all four received safety ratings of “adequate” or better in BauerFinancial’s fourth-quarter report card on banks.
Indeed, depositors have little to worry about. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. notes that no one has ever lost a penny of FDIC-insured deposits since the coverage began in the 1930s, and the recent spate of bank failures hasn’t derailed that track record.
It’s not depositors who bore the brunt of the banking crisis, at least not directly. Instead, investors, taxpayers and homeowners have paid the price for the financial collapse of 2007 through 2009, and they’ll be the victims of the next downturn, Johnson said.
“Like the last crisis, the next one will cause millions of people to lose their jobs, houses or educational opportunities,” Johnson and co-author James Kwak write in 13 Bankers. “It will require a large transfer of wealth from taxpayers to the financial sector; and it will increase government debt, requiring higher taxes in the future.”
Hoping to avoid a repeat of the recent crash, regulators aim to rein in big banks.
“If the Congress accomplishes anything this year, it should be to clearly and completely end ‘too big to fail,’ ” FDIC Chairwoman Sheila Bair said at a recent conference in Orlando.
Some are encouraging consumers to punish big banks by taking their money elsewhere. Arianna Huffington, editor of The Huffington Post, in December launched Move Your Money to urge Americans to do business with small banks and credit unions.
It’s unclear whether that effort has affected the banking industry. 1st United Bank of Boca Raton, one of a handful of South Florida banks recommended by the Move Your Money Web site, has seen deposits increase, Chief Executive Rudy Schupp said. However, he’s unsure whether he can credit Move Your Money for the influx.
The heads of three other community banks — Grand Bank & Trust of Florida in West Palm Beach, Palm Beach Community Bank in Boynton Beach and Gulfstream Business Bank in Stuart — said they’ve seen no influx of deposits. And a spokeswoman for Bank of America said that institution has seen no exodus of deposits.
Dennis Santiago, the head of Institutional Risk Analytics in Torrance, Calif., runs the Move Your Money site, and he acknowledges that it’s impractical for most consumers to simply close all their accounts at a megabank. He suggests that customers of the big banks should open a second account at a smaller bank.
“You have to make a statement somewhere,” Santiago said. “One of the easiest ways is to open an account at an alternative bank.”
Meanwhile, the quarterly bank ratings from BauerFinancial of Coral Gables showed a few noteworthy changes. Struggling Seacoast National Bank of Stuart saw its rating rise in the fourth quarter to two stars, or problematic, from one star, or troubled, in the third quarter. Seacoast suffered an annual loss of $143 million, but its capital ratios edged up slightly from the third quarter to the fourth quarter.
Healthy 1st United Bank of Boca Raton rose to four stars, or excellent, from three and a half stars, or good.
Four banks fell to two from three stars: Anchor Commercial Bank of Juno Beach, Enterprise National Bank of North Palm Beach, Flagler Bank of West Palm Beach and Paradise Bank of Boca Raton.
“Biggest risk might lie with largest banks”
This seems a bit silly. How can banks protected by Uncle Sam’s too-big-to-fail guarantee possibly face the biggest risk?
If thou speak’st false,
Upon the next tree shalt thou hang alive,
Till famine cling thee: if thy speech be sooth,
I care not if thou dost for me as much.
I pull in resolution, and begin
To doubt the equivocation of the fiend
That lies like truth: ‘Fear not, till Birnam wood
Do come to Dunsinane:’ and now a wood
Comes toward Dunsinane.
– William Shakespeare’s Macbeth –
The Financial Times
Errors of judgment and not enough homework on risk
By John Plender
Published: April 4 2010 17:12 | Last updated: April 4 2010 17:12
One of the factors behind the extraordinary number and increasing size of financial crises over the past three and a half decades is moral hazard – the notion that providing a safety net for the banking system in a crisis simply encourages more risk taking, much as the existence of car insurance leads people to drive less prudently than they might otherwise do. The proposition seems unassailable. Yet the workings of moral hazard in financial markets are more complex than often assumed.
Take the insurance fund against future bank failures proposed by Germany and France. A standard criticism, as with the more straightforward provision of liquidity or capital support, is that this will encourage bankers to go beserk. Yet few bankers go to work and prepare to take big risks on the basis that if they pull it off they make a killing and if they fail, they will be bailed out.
The central bankers’ traditional view is that the chief executive of any bank subject to a bail-out should be ignominiously despatched. In the current crisis, that message has been muddied. Many have been fired, but some remain in place. Even so, few chief executives will want to risk not only losing a job, but forfeiting a hard-won reputation along with the value in any equity and stock options they may hold.
The reason why some of them did bet the bank was that they made errors of judgment about the nature and scale of the risks they were taking in a very competitive environment. Capital market pressure and poorly designed incentive schemes were pushing them towards grabbing short-term profits, while taking on tail risk – low probability events that are catastrophic when they happen.
Did Dick Fuld at Lehman Brothers know he was betting the bank until it was manifestly crumbling? I doubt it. And it seems entirely plausible that executives at Lehman were complacent about the capital position because, as so often happens with creative accounting, they were fooled by their own trickery with the numbers.
The way moral hazard chiefly works is by reducing the discipline that creditors bring to bear. Because so many holders of bank liabilities expect to be bailed out, they do not do enough homework on risk. That lack of discipline is then compounded by excessive reliance on all too fallible rating agencies. And because creditors underprice the risk taking of institutions that are too big or too interconnected to fail, systemically important outfits enjoy a lower cost of funds than they should.
For bank management, that last point creates a morally hazardous incentive to increase the size of the bank until it is safely past the threshold of systemic importance. Not only do markets recognise the value to banks of this status. Credit rating agencies take into account the likelihood of bail-outs in their judgements about default risk.
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“…much as the existence of car insurance leads people to drive less prudently than they might otherwise do.”
If you guys know of an insurer who does not charge higher rates to those who are perceived as subject to greater accident risk, please share. Our insurer jacked my rates through the roof, thanks to my receiving a couple of speeding tickets over the past years. My moral hazard problem is contained; I have not driven this slowly since first moving to CA.
By contrast, the TBTF Megabanks not only do not pay higher rates to contain the systemic risk they pose to the global banking system; so far as I am aware, their insurance is provided free, courtesy of compliant and clueless sovereign governments. This moral hazard problem is unconstrained and out of control.
You have problem with Corporate Communist Capitalism©®™, comrade?
Great Depression deju vu - Have you all noticed the turning the corner govt. propaganda lately? That cautiously optimistic BS about consumer spending, job creation, housing? Reminds me of the early 1930’s.
MSM discussions of U.S. housing subsidies invariably focus on whether a given program is “working” or not, in the sense of whether the uptake is high, never bothering to address the general folly of further subsidizing the bloated and busted housing sector to begin with.
Repeat-buyer tax credit lacks buzz
By Kenneth R. Harney / The Nation’s Housing
Sunday, April 4, 2010
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The repeat buyer credit was added to last fall’s economic stimulus tax legislation and signed into law Nov. 6. It offered what some critics saw as free money - up to a $6,500 check from the federal government for simply purchasing a replacement residence that you had intended to buy anyway. To qualify, however, purchasers must have lived in and owned their house for a consecutive five of the preceding eight years, and meet income and home price criteria.
The tight timetable, plus the relatively small amount of the credit compared with the costs of transactions, may have dampened interest in the repeat buyer credit from the start. Leslie Tyler, vice president of marketing for Zip Realty, a brokerage based in Emeryville, Calif., and active in 35 metropolitan areas around the country, said the cost-benefit equation has never been favorable for most potential users.
“It’s not a big motivator” for several reasons, she said in an interview. First, in high cost and moderate-cost markets alike, the prospect of receiving $6,500 from the government is not likely to convince many longtime owners to suddenly go out home shopping.
Second, for underwater homeowners - whose loan balances exceed their home’s sales value - moving up or out may not be an option. Still others find that the sale price they are likely to receive may be discouraging - and they prefer to wait for a more propitious time to sell, when prices have bounced back more. The costs of fixing up a house for listing, the time required to locate a replacement - on top of the tight six-month window to complete deals set by Congress - all have tended to work against the $6,500 credit as a stimulus measure, Tyler believes.
On the other hand, brokers and builders say the $8,000 tax credit appears to be motivating growing numbers of first-time buyers to sign up by the April 30 deadline.Homebuilder Dean Mon of the DR Mon Group in Shrewsbury, N.J., said he has sold 60 houses in the $180,000 to $190,000 range in one project in recent months - and the majority of purchasers are at least partially motivated by the $8,000 credit. “If it weren’t for the credit,” he said, “they couldn’t even buy the home.”
Ed Brady of Brady Homes in Bloomington, Ill., said he has seen a “significant pickup in the last 30 days” and could sell as many as 90 homes to first-time buyers who can close by the June 30 deadline.
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According to The Economist, U.S. taxpayers are on the hook for 10 to 21 cents of each mortgage writedown under the newfangled HAMP.
21 “cents” on a $500,000 principle balance is $105,000 — nice deal for the FB and the lender!
Underwater borrowers in America
A splash of good news?
The government tries a new tack in the fight against mortgage foreclosures
Mar 31st 2010 | NEW YORK | From The Economist print edition
WITH America braced for 4m or more foreclosures this year, the government is still searching for an effective way to stop the rot in housing. Under the Home Affordable Mortgage Programme (HAMP), a mere 170,000 borrowers have received permanent loan modifications, well below the target of 3m-4m. Will a revamped HAMP, unveiled on March 26th, mark a turning-point?
Until now the focus has been on lowering mortgage payments as a share of income, mainly through interest-rate reductions and term extensions. New rules put an emphasis on reducing principal (ie, loan balances). A crisis first sparked by subprime-mortgage defaults has since spread to better-heeled borrowers: one in four American households with mortgages owe more than their properties are worth. Forgiving some of this debt makes it less likely that they will throw away the keys.
The new plan aims to help in four main ways. It offers incentives for loan servicers (which collect payments for investors in mortgage-backed securities) to reduce principal for those owing more than 115% of the property’s current value; the write-down will be staged over three years if the borrower keeps up with lower payments. Second, struggling borrowers who have kept up their payments can switch into loans guaranteed by the Federal Housing Administration (FHA), a government agency, as long as their loan is reduced by 10% or more. Third, jobless borrowers will get up to six months of payment assistance while they look for work.
The final element is perhaps the most important. The government hopes to remove a blockage in the modification process with a bribe to holders of “second lien” mortgages, such as home-equity loans. CreditSights, a research firm, estimates that the four big banks hold $423 billion of home-equity loans (see chart), $151 billion of them to borrowers who are either underwater or close to it. These lenders have resisted modification of first mortgages, fearing knock-on write-downs of their second liens. The sweetener on offer is a payment of between ten and 21 cents on the dollar for balances they cut.
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The MSM’s pro-banking, pro-REIC PR campaign is failing, as evidenced by this choice barrage of comments following that “Splash of good news” underwater article:
Gary A wrote:
Apr 2nd 2010 1:21 GMT
It is my view that this is not such good news. The recourse loans that will have to be paid even if housing turns down again and the borrowers become underwater again, will dog these poor borrowers. The issue is that no one with a non recourse loan should ever consider this Hamp writedown program. That pretty much eliminates California.
And this recourse loan may be more aggressively pursued for non payment than regular recourse loans because of the government backing of these loans. So probably even those with recourse loans should think long and hard about going down this government road. This loan is a trap.
CA-Oxonian wrote:
Apr 2nd 2010 2:17 GMT
I’m charmed that the US government has decided to spend even more of my hard-earned money on subsidizing people who bought homes they could not afford to pay for. Obviously, instead of living prudently within my means for the last few years I should have acquired a nice island or two, and perhaps a corporate jet by means of which to reach it. I could then qualify for government subsidies at the expense of the few remaining idiots who for some odd reason think that it is responsible to work hard and spend only what they actually have earned.
bampbs wrote:
Apr 2nd 2010 6:21 GMT
The typical house buyer will assume that the price is reasonable if the bank is willing to finance the purchase. Why doesn’t an underwater mortgagee have a cause of action based on reliance upon the superior knowledge and experience of the banker ?
TS2912 wrote:
Apr 2nd 2010 7:03 GMT
WHY ON EARTH should the government be spending our tax $$$ futilely propping up the real estate market???
Should the government try to do the same for the stock market?
What happened to the laws of economics (which will anyway eventually truimph over these futile efforts by the government)?
It is silly of the government to get into this, if real estate is weak, banks would anyway renegotaite its mortgages. If real estate is stronger than that, give the houses to people woh cna better afford them
Home412AD wrote:
Apr 2nd 2010 8:02 GMT
Most people in the world won’t see any benefit or gain in rewarding known and proven criminals for committing fraud. Bad enough any so-called legitimate government would reward the mortgage brokers for knowingly and deliberately selling fraudulent mortgages, now The Economist thinks it’s a great idea to pay off the fraudulent loan applicants, as well, with the taxes of honest, good citizens. Perhaps being cuckoo is its own reward; everything looks wonderful to a mind floating away to fairyland.
Thankfully, people with real jobs are far more practical, useful and rational, and they will never permit governments to steal their taxes to pay the fraudulent mortgages of common criminals.
Cactus Land wrote:
Apr 2nd 2010 11:31 GMT
It is amazing how these Ayn Rand types, who love telling us how ‘dependent’ we were, are now unable to stop asking the Federal Government for money. As a nation, the United States is resilient enough that it should allow all the banks who made bad risk decisions to go under. The is no reason to pay an underwater mortgage, it makes no economic sense, unless you believe prices will rebound. If the banks hand not complicated things so much, they could have written down the loans by 40%, and some would have survived, but now that the mortgages so chopped up into a million pieces, that is impossible. Time the banks started to feel what it was like to have creditors calling you everyday, let them suffer. This is a great article on Ayn Rand and Bankers, a must read.. http://www.thecactusland.com/2010/02/ayn-rand-barack-obama-and-jar-of.html
jaytrain wrote:
Apr 3rd 2010 1:23 GMT
So more free Government money. Just a couple of facts your hawkeye reporters failed to pick up on in their full Obama swoon mode. Two thirds of reset mortgages go back into default within a year. This give away will include mortgages of up to $730,000, which I guess is the price of a starter home in Obama’s new America.
OpenYourMindQuaid wrote:
Apr 3rd 2010 3:46 GMT
A debt problem caused housing prices to crash, and the government wants to go further into debt to keep housing prices up? This is all getting to be insane.
Let these people default and then rent. This propping up of the status quo is only exacerbating the problem.
happyfish18 wrote:
Apr 3rd 2010 4:08 GMT
The Wall Street bankers like the Blankman, Demon etc. are like crocodiles that will pull you down so that you will drown in debts until you meet up with God.
happyfish18 wrote:
Apr 4th 2010 2:34 GMT
To divert the misery of the Underwater sub-prime mortgagees from the Demons in Wall streets like the Blank-fiend and company, the regime has now taken the cudgel against the rock-stable Yuan claiming that it has been manipulated.
happyfish18 wrote:
Apr 4th 2010 3:05 GMT
After the financial crisis started from the Wall street backward assing the poor house mortgagees, the world now has the sovereign debt defaulters emanating from Iceland called the PIGS and this will backward assed generations of citizens into repaying the sovereign debts. Meanwhile the Greenshit demons that had precipitated both crises are stronger than ever in their controls of the enlarged banks and the crony power brokers in White house.
How do U.S. taxpayers feel about chipping in 10 to 21 cents on the dollar to the lenders and FBs who drank the housing bubble Koolaide? This may prove to be a severe underestimate if the FHA needs a future bailout.
Here is the concluding paragraph in that article:
“The taxpayer will still be stuck holding the bill for the FHA. Already, the agency’s reserves have been heavily eroded by risky loans it took on in 2008-09 to shore up the housing market. Even homeowners may end up feeling dissatisfied. It is jobs that these households really desire, says Anthony Sanders, a property-finance professor at George Mason University, not to stay in a house that they cannot afford, especially when rental properties are so readily available.”
Alright, I’m off to church to worship Lloyd Blankfein.
Sacrifice a goat for us.
Sacrifice a
goatglobal economy for us.If anyone has some time on their hands, Realtor dot com has a Home Affordability calculator that calculates what you can afford at 28% of income. It’ll take debt, downpayment and interest rates into consideration.
Real eye opener with interest rates due to rise.
Originally went to the site after a neighbor in my apartment complex left me a flyer on a cute little one bedroom house in Silver Lake (LA area) for $569,000. Calculated true cost of owership at $4,600 per month after a 20% downpayment.
And, the city of Los Angeles is spending 1 million dollars more than they’re taking in these days.
Think I’ll take a pass.
I’m afraid to ask what a two bedroom would go for in Silver Lake. Outrageous.
Since you asked…
$600,000 to $2.795 million for a Schindler designed home. The Schindler is nice, but would go for a lot less had it not been designed by mid-century icon.
* The Wall Street Journal
* HEARD ON THE STREET
* MARCH 31, 2010
Insuring Against an End to Moral Hazard
By DAVID REILLY
The bailout bus keeps rolling. Last week’s programs to forgive mortgage principal were good news for mortgage insurers. But PMI Group’s share-price surge had an extra lift from Freddie Mac.
The mortgage giant gave a new PMI subsidiary the green light to write insurance for loans that Freddie guarantees. PMI needed the blessing—and got a similar one from Fannie Mae—because its main subsidiary may be banned in some states from writing policies if it breaches regulatory capital rules.
If that happened, PMI’s future would be in even greater doubt. The company lost nearly $1.6 billion over the past two years and warned that “as a result of continued losses, we will need to raise significant additional capital and/or achieve significant statutory regulatory relief.”
What is curious is that Freddie’s and Fannie’s support potentially puts taxpayer dollars at risk, while helping PMI shareholders—the company’s stock jumped more than 40% last week. The moves also come as debate continues over how much skin in the game homeowners should have.
Help for PMI, and for Mortgage Guaranty Insurance Corp. last month, is also notable because Freddie has suggested that firms like this mightn’t be able to meet future claims.
Freddie in its annual filing said “some of our mortgage insurers lack sufficient ability to fully meet all of their expected lifetime claims-paying obligations to us as they emerge.” PMI has the lowest credit rating of Freddie’s rated mortgage-insurance counterparties.
With the government, through Fannie and Freddie, willing to play such games to keep small fry like PMI and MGIC alive, it shows quite how far away Uncle Sam is from a real solution on “too big to fail.”
I thought the housing recovery was in full swing. Was this article meant as some kind of cruel April Fool’s joke?
Phoenix Mortgage Pro Speaks! “I Don’t See Any Recovery At All” (FNM, FRE)
Joe Weisenthal, provided by BUSINESS INSIDER
Thursday, April 1, 2010
Phoenix
Following our mini-exploration of NYC Fannie (FNM) and Freddie F(RE), we thought it wise to get some perspective from the opposite side of the continent.
So we talked to a longtime vet of the real estate industry in Phoenix, AZ, one of many places that’s at one point or another been described as a “ground zero” of the housing bust.
As for the housing recovery he says: “I don’t see any recovery. At all.”
Why?
Like the NYC folks to whom we talked, he expressed frustration with Fannie and Freddie, along with Obama, and the Wall Street banks.
Here’s a bit of what we learned:
* Fannie and Freddie’s rules have been very tight, but the institutional rules put in place by the banks have also made things tough.
* Canadians — who used to play a role in boosting the housing markets of warm weather cities — can no longer get a loan in America. They HAVE to pay cash. Even a 50% down payment isn’t enough.
* Investors can’t get loans if they own more than 10 properties. That’s even if they’re loaded and have great credit
* The only activity right now are bank-owned properties and short sales.
* The homebuilders are dead in the water.
* The tax credit was a total waste.
“The HAVE to pay cash.”
Here is an example of a listing from our area; it is a very close comp to the home we rent.
Notice the home has sat on the market unsold for over three months already — maybe the harsh San Diego winter weather has kept it from selling?
Since I know our home sold at the bubble peak (late 2004) for $540,000, why would I or anyone else in their right mind consider buying a similar home for only $30,000 less in the post-bubble collapse era?
For Sale (MLS-listed)
$510,000
Beds: 4
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,898
$/Sq. Ft.: $269
Lot Size: -
Property Type: Residential, Detached
Stories: 2
Year Built: 1980
County: San Diego
Status: Active This listing is for sale and the sellers are accepting offers.
On Redfin: 93 days
P.S. Assuming a 5 percent interest rate, a thirty-year fixed mortgage on this home would run you $2,737.79 a month*, versus our rent of $2300 a month. In addition to paying an extra $437.79 on the mortgage compared to our rent, one would also need to cover HOA dues, insurance, maintenance costs, yardwork, and a 1% state tax bill (= $5,100 / year) to enjoy the privilege of being able to paint the home in the color of your choice.
*MS Excel formula: =PMT(0.05/12,30*12,-510000)
China is importing coal! Economically, politically, militarily and environmentally a disaster waiting to happen.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/05/science/earth/05reef.html?hp
The U.S. is importing oil? Same outcome?
Coal is still abundant the U.S.; China now imports coal, oil, natural gas and uranium to meet demand. It wouldn’t take much to make China feel very threatened.
This guy would have my vote if I lived in the UK.
Let’s see if the U.S. pols can come up with a financial regulatory proposal to up the ante…
The Financial Times
Brown hails move on global bank tax
By George Parker in London
Published: April 4 2010 22:01 | Last updated: April 4 2010 22:01
Gordon Brown on Sunday said the large economies were close to agreeing a global tax on banks that would cost the financial sector billions of pounds a year but played down expectations that a deal could be struck at the next Group of 20 meeting in June.
The UK prime minister, who held talks with Angela Merkel, German chancellor, last week, said the scene was set for a “global responsibility levy”.
He said Britain, France and Germany were now broadly agreed on the need for a levy, and he hoped the US would come on board.
“Britain, France and Germany have talked about what we can do together,” he said. “We are agreed on the need for a common basis.”
Last week, France and Germany jointly backed an internationally co-ordinated levy.
Mr Brown told the Financial Times he wanted to reignite the spirit of global co-operation, which had faltered in the year since last April’s G20 summit in London.
Although a British election is expected in little more than a month, Mr Brown is engaged in frenetic international diplomacy to broker a global settlement for banks. “The relationship between banks and society has to change,” he said.
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EDITOR’S CHOICE
John Plender: Errors of judgment - Apr-04
Discord persists over bank global tax - Mar-31
Berlin and Paris eye levy to fund bail-outs - Mar-31
Lloyds data outmuscles tough love message - Mar-24
Germany to introduce levy for bank bail-outs - Mar-22
Tory levy risks City jobs, says Darling - Mar-21
Brown? He was the Chancellor of the Exchequer in the Labour government from 1997 to 2007 under Tony Blair.
He’s one the biggest players in this disaster!
The Financial Times
Berlin and Paris eye levy to fund bail-outs
By Gerrit Wiesmann in Berlin and James Wilson in Frankfurt
Published: March 31 2010 16:09 | Last updated: March 31 2010 16:09
Germany and France on Wednesday called for an international bank levy as Wolfgang Schäuble, German finance minister, outlined plans to force his country’s banks to pay €1.2bn into an insurance fund to cover bail-outs in a future crisis.
After a German cabinet meeting attended by Christine Lagarde, French finance minister, Mr Schäuble and his French counterpart called the initiative “a very useful contribution to the international debate” about financial regulation.
The unprecedented participation of a minister from a foreign country in the German government’s top body followed February’s decision by Angela Merkel, chancellor, and Nicolas Sarkozy, French president, to get the governments to liaise more closely.
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The Financial Times
Discord persists over bank global tax
By Chris Giles in London
Published: March 31 2010 19:56 | Last updated: March 31 2010 19:56
The idea of a global levy on banks has gained momentum in international discussions, but Germany’s support for such a levy on Wednesday still leaves a global deal among the Group of 20 leading economies this year far from guaranteed.
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Four of the most powerful advanced nations – the US, France, Germany and Britain – support a levy in principle, and the International Monetary Fund has already said there is a case for banks to shoulder a greater burden of taxation.
The IMF will publish a report on the subject at its spring meetings in late April, but it will leave decisions on implementation to the G20.
However, the problems with securing agreement are threefold.
First, no big country will accept the loss of fiscal sovereignty that a global banking levy might imply. Any agreement would have to be national and co-ordinated, not mandated by the G20. This creates the possibility that some countries would drag their feet, undermining the case for the tax in others.
Second, and more difficult, is the fact that Canada opposes a banking levy in principle. Its banks did not need support and it opposes increasing the burden of taxation on banks.
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The third problem is that countries disagree on the ambition for a banking levy. The US wants its taxpayer dollars back, while the UK wants a future “pollution tax” on banks. France wants something similar applied to the entire financial services sector and Germany wants a more explicit insurance fund to pay for a future banking crisis.
These differences should be bridgeable with judicious international fudging so long as countries want a deal, which again demonstrates the reason why a truly global tax is unlikely. But the principled opposition from Canada among others is a big threat to any deal in 2010.
Tax this or that. Levy this or that. Disguise and confuse the movement of money like a 3-card Monte expert.. but in the end, governments and businesses profit while taxpayers and consumers suffer the costs.
Nice, I just found out that one of my high school buds / former bandmates is a bankruptcy attorney in Tampa. I can’t WAIT to get caught up with this guy.
You have to see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tefobaNjk7U