April 4, 2010

Waiting For A Return To Normalcy

The Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman reports from Alaska. “For Roger Purcell, when it rains it pours. The embattled Houston mayor is facing a recall election slated for sometime in June on allegations he abused his power using police lights driving a police vehicle to Fairbanks to deliver a grant applications. He denies those allegations. Second on his list of recent headaches: He was ordered on March 4 to leave his home after the bank foreclosed. And last, but certainly not least, came March 16 when he filed for bankruptcy in federal court. ‘The business went under two years ago when Vanguard went down,’ Purcell said, referring to Vanguard Mortgage and Title, the company he did business through. He said now was the time to finally clean out the books and officially admit it was over. His business is not the only one that’s had to shut his doors, he said.”

“‘I don’t think there’s a mortgage company left that’s not associated with a bank in the Valley,’ he said.”

The Billings Gazette in Montana. “Tight credit, depressed real estate markets and the dark cloud of pending legal appeals have brought lot sales to a near standstill at Copperleaf, the upscale subdivision in a scenic valley between Cody and Yellowstone National Park. After numerous court challenges by opponents and a total of $12 million invested by developers, all signs point to an imminent foreclosure on the 155-unit gated subdivision on 553 acres of former hay pastures in Wapiti.”

“Gale Pooley, president of Analytix Appraisal Group in Boise, Idaho, said most of the early lot sales, about three dozen, were ’speculation plays.’ Only two residential structures have been built. About 100 lots remain unsold, and for the past two years, there have ‘only been one or two sales each year,’ he said. ‘At that rate, there’s a 50-year-supply of lots out there. And right now, we basically see no interest at any price,’ Pooley said.”

“Jeff Darragh, CEO of the Tennessee-based Worthington Group, said that poor sales have left Worthington Group of Wyoming unable to pay Park County property taxes or fund a local sales office, making foreclosure a possibility. ‘If we don’t start selling lots, yes, that’s what will happen. It’s not an endless pit that you can continue to throw money in. It doesn’t make good business sense to do it,’ he said.”

The Cody Enterprise in Wyoming. “Unemployment in Park County is hovering at about 9 percent. Diane DiJenno, director of the Wyoming Department of Workforce Services’ Cody center, says the picture is ‘getting worse each day,’ with an average of about ‘50 or more’ people coming into the employment office daily in search of work that likely is not there for them.”

“In DiJenno’s 28 years with the service, the situation is the ‘worst since the 1980s, when the bust happened,’ she said.”

From Oregon Business. “The rusting rebar at the stalled Park Avenue West construction site in the middle of downtown Portland tells only part of the story. To really get a sense of the depths of the Portland Metro area’s commercial real estate economy…you need to drive west of the city along the Sunset Corridor on Highway 26. Soon, the for-sale and for-lease billboards sprout like weeds in front of sleek, glass-fronted, and empty, office buildings. Weeds that have been around for a while. Weeds that likely will be around for a while.”

“‘Take my empty building — please,’ the signs seem to be saying. In this economy, you might be able to buy it for half of what somebody paid for it two or three years ago.”

Oregon Public Broadcasting. “A small rebound in Oregon’s house prices appears to be fading, according to a study released from the Case Schiller Housing Index. The last time there was a boom and bust in Oregon real estate was in the early 1990’s. Prices dropped, rebounded a little - in what’s known as a dead-cat bounce - and then stagnated for about three years.”

“David Blitzer of Standard & Poor’s says that appears to be what’s happening now, except that the boom and the bust were a lot larger this time - and the stagnant period may be, too. ‘We’ve got too many houses for sale and not enough people out looking for them, not only in Portland but most of the country,’ he said.”

The Herald in Washington. “The roadside signs advertise village life, a quiet hamlet painted in muted shades of gray, green and brown. The driveways slope down from two-car garages, and basketball hoops and satellite dishes show that people call this place home. Just not enough people.”

“Scott Jarvis, director of the state’s Department of Financial Institutions, said the root of the banks’ trouble grows from two sources: residential and commercial real estate. Housing developments gone awry are just one part of the equation; the vacant office buildings in downtown Seattle and going-out-of-business signs in small towns also play a part. ‘If you go by the typical strip mall, you will see vacant stores where before there were occupancies,’ Jarvis said.”

“When Frontier CEO Pat Fahey came out of retirement in 2008 to run the bank, the community banking industry was in the early stages of upheaval. Though construction meant big returns for years, it was a boom-or-bust investment. And most bank officials across the country weren’t betting that a near-depression would flip the construction industry upside down. ‘It was just … a house of cards,’ Fahey said. ‘I think people were perhaps deluded by the fact that it was going so well. And it was very profitable.’”

The Seattle Times in Washington. “The reports are mixed from Thornton Place, the landmark residential and commercial development. Apartments: Get ‘em while you can. Retail: Doing OK, considering. Condos: Snakebit. No units have sold despite more than a year of marketing. A month ago developers Stellar Holdings and Lorig Associates suspended sales efforts indefinitely.”

“Stellar and Lorig had the misfortune to bring them to market in the midst of the worst housing downturn in decades. Even a much-publicized layoff-protection offer a year ago — you lose your job, we’ll pay your mortgage — didn’t attract any buyers. So Stellar and Lorig cut prices, and by late last year they had 18 of 34 condos in the project’s first phase under contract.”

“But in mid-December, says Tim Ainge, Stellar’s VP for real-estate operations, he noticed a suspicious half-inch gap between the wallboard and flooring in one unit. That touched off a chain of events that led engineers to conclude by mid-January that part of the project had a settling problem.”

“Ainge says the developers decided to give the buyers the opportunity to back out of their contracts. The FHA reversed itself and approved the project a few weeks later, but by then most of the buyers had rescinded their offers, Ainge says. He doesn’t know when sales will resume. First the settling problem must be fixed, he says, and he’s not sure how long that will take.”

“Is litigation a possibility? ‘I can’t answer that,’ Ainge said.”

The Yakima Herald in Washington. “Young professionals make up most of the residents who took advantage of a lease-to-own option offered earlier this year to get residents into the 27-unit development. Now the downtown condominium development at 17 N. Third St. is offering temporary price breaks of up to 50 percent off.”

“The price cuts are part of an aggressive campaign designed to spur more buyers in the next few weeks. The sales campaign also includes a waiver on condo fees. ‘We basically backed off when the market was so bad,’ said Gary Bodenstab of Seattle-based Bode Development, which built the $10 million project with JEM Development, owned by local developer Joe Morrier. ‘We were waiting for a return to normalcy.’”

“Only two units have been purchased so far, but 11 units are occupied by lease-to-own residents.”

The Kitsap Sun in Washington. “After spending almost six months at the island’s old dump, a pair of prototype prefab residences have finally found a piece Bainbridge that will welcome them. The sustainably-designed, stackable homes, which were donated for use as low-cost housing but were rejected at two sites, are now set move next door to a Winslow social service center by mid-May.”

“The homes were constructed in 2007 with the idea of creating earth-friendly homes for young Seattlites who enjoy urban living but can’t afford downtown condo prices. Plans for mass production were abandoned when the economy took a tumble. A planned move to the Johnson Farm, a city property on Fletcher Bay Road, also fell through when neighbors objected to the homes’ modern looks.”

“‘They’re very square, clean, condominium-like structures,’ said Bart Berg, board president of Friends of the Farms. ‘They were met with stiff resistance from farmers and neighbors for their appearance.’”

The Nanaimo Daily News in Canada. “The apparent demise of the controversial plan to build two condo towers, each about 20-storeys high has caught me completely by surprise. The towers were integral elements of the City of Nanaimo’s multi-faceted downtown revitalization plan, which also included the construction of the Vancouver Island Conference Centre and an adjacent hotel, that was put to a referendum (which passed with the slimmest of margins) which polarized the city in 2004.”

“That plan was terminated after Millennium failed to fulfill its contractual obligation to build the conference centre’s hotel due to financial difficulties the company continues to face. Mayor John Ruttan told the Daily News that he’s not interested in offering waterfront property owned by the city to entice developers for the city, and declared ‘it’s a new game now.’”

The Vancouver Sun in Canada. “Metro Vancouver’s cheap-mortgage-fuelled real estate market has overshot its previous peak for prices with indications it will keep going. February saw the average property price hit $662,741 in the area of Metro Vancouver within the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver. That is well above the previous $624,639 peak price, which the region saw in May 2008.”

“‘Even in Vancouver, we’ve gained back everything we lost,’ Simon Cote, an analyst at the National Bank of Canada said in an interview. ‘The pace might be slowing a bit, but they are still going up.’”

“The era of rock-bottom mortgage rates ended with a crush of work for mortgage brokers and bank-loan officers. It started Monday with a flood of homebuyers looking for last-minute approvals to sneak in under the wire before interest-rate increases went into effect the next morning — signalled in announcements by RBC and TD that they would raise their fiveyear posted rates 0.6 of a percentage point to 5.85 per cent, an 11-per-cent jump. Scotiabank, CIBC and BMO followed the moves with rate bumps of their own.”

“The immediate effect of the increase, along with impending changes to mortgage-qualification rules, will be to reduce the size of mortgage for which borrowers will be able to qualify, which market participants anticipate will put a damper on real-estate prices. ‘Now that we see the first phase of normalization [of interest rates], that’s further going to erode affordability and take a bite out of the purchasing power of Metro Vancouver households,’ Cameron Muir, chief economist for the B.C. Real Estate Association, said in an interview.”

“‘This is the beginning of the tightening,’ Benjamin Tal, a senior economist at CIBC World Markets said in an interview. ‘The era of extremely low interest rates is over.’”

The Canadian Press. “Buying a house in the hot housing markets of Vancouver, Toronto and other major cities in recent years has been a possible dream for some first-time homebuyers only because many of those houses had suites they could rent out. But new rules coming into effect April 19 will all but wipe out that advantage in the eyes of banks handing out mortgages.”

“The new regulations are designed to prevent speculation in the market, said Jack Aubrey, of the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation. But Vancouver mortgage agent Mike Averbach said the new rules will do little to prevent investors from gambling in the housing market. ‘They haven’t decreased risk,’ he said. “They’re just not allowing you to use the income.’”

“Currently, landlords can use 80 per cent of their rental income to offset monthly mortgage payments. That means, if they receive $1,000 per month in rental income, they can use $800 to offset a $1,200 mortgage payment, leaving only $400 to be debt financed. But under the new rule, only 50 per cent of a landlord’s rental income will be used. Even then, that money will not be used to offset their monthly mortgage payment. It will be added to their total income, forcing them to qualify for the entire monthly mortgage.”

“Rental income is essential for many of his clients, Averbach said. In cities like Vancouver, where the average home price in February was more than $662,000, rental offset is the only way many people can qualify for a mortgage and the new rules will keep many of his clients in condos rather than houses, he said.”

“‘Putting a renter in your basement is not speculative, it’s reality,’ he said. ‘It helps you pay your mortgage.’”

“With interest rates climbing and new rules that crack down on who qualifies for a mortgage, first-time homebuyers are having to look harder for their first mortgage, meaning brokers’ services are in demand, members of the profession say. Buyer Leslie Urquhart said buying her first home was a horrifying ordeal. Urquhart, 34, began her six-month home shopping odyssey with one goal-to get into the market. But she quickly realized that was easier said than done. Increasing budgets, pressure from her realtor to commit to a place and finding a mortgage made her wonder what she had got herself into.”

“Although she eventually found a condo in for $60,000 more than her original budget, she advised other first-timers to do their homework and prepare themselves for changes. In the end, Urquhart accomplished her goal of getting into the housing market, but she won’t be living in her new place as she had hoped. Instead, she will become a landlord, renting the place out while living in a basement suite at her parent’s house where rent is cheap.”

“‘At least I’m in the market and I’m learning,’ she said.”




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Comment by rosie
2010-04-04 07:37:15

Most of the people buying in the Canadian market at these interest rate inflated prices are in their 20’s and 30’s. My niece and her new husband just bought a B&B in rural Ontario for $425000, thinking they got into the market under the wire for a number of reasons. Interest rates are going up, mortgage requirements are getting more difficult, down payments are being forced to increase, new taxes will be levied on all real estate and legal transactions on July 1, from 5% to 13%.( this is the dreaded H.S.T in Ontario, something for our American cousins to look forward to). As well almost all gov’t stimulus money has dried up for energy retofits and home improvement. Most people in their mid 40’s and up have experienced an economic calamity in housing, be it in 1990 or like me in the 70’s. If you, like me, are hearing the sounds of other shoes dropping all around us I believe this situation is going to accelerate quickly into another sharp bust. Any comments?

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-04-04 07:43:50

‘Home prices in Calgary are overvalued by 15 to 20 per cent, “seriously unaffordable,” and set to start falling, says nationally known economic and housing market commentator Garth Turner. ‘We’re at the moment of crisis. In other words, the moment when the market will turn from being essentially a sellers’ market into one that’s flat and then eventually into one that’s a buyers’ market,’ said Turner. ‘We’ve got several markets that are very expensive. Obviously, Toronto, Calgary and Vancouver are there at the top. In Toronto and Calgary, for example, we’ve got more than five times the average income to buy the average home.’

‘Turner said his advice to people who have recently bought a home with five per cent down is that they had better be ready to be in a negative equity situation by Christmas. For people thinking about selling, Turner’s advice is: ‘You’re probably not in your lifetime going to find prices at this level. So be realistic and go on the market.’

Comment by rosie
2010-04-04 07:59:35

Garth Turner is a well known self made investment analyst and a former member of parliament. He has been a voice in the wilderness up here for a while, but from my experience of reading him over the years he has an uncanny ability to call it just before all hell breaks loose. Canada has had this “not here” attitude going on for a while.I don’t know if it stems from an ingrained smugness, or from our own m.s.m doing Bay streets/wall streets bidding. I fear it is a combination of both.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-04-04 08:09:28

‘this “not here” attitude’…’an ingrained smugness’

IMO, these are standard thoughts during a mania, especially near the peak.

‘In Toronto and Calgary, for example, we’ve got more than five times the average income to buy the average home’

These ratios cannot stand. And it appears the government and lenders are popping the bubble with new regs, just as it happened here in the US. Many forget that it was the Fed that raised rates until speculation and prices were brought down. This was forced on them by necessity, I believe. How far it falls should be dictated by the disconnect from fundamentals and the level of speculation.

Anyway, it looks like the historic Canada bounce is about to be over, and the last suckers have piled in.

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Comment by rosie
2010-04-04 08:25:51

Our Finance Minister has often, in the past, said that the Canadian dollar cannot reach parity with the greenback or it will have a very negative impact on manufacturing and exports in general. Canada is a very large exporter to the U.S. and increasingly China.Our B.O.C. chairman, Carney, formerly of G.S.had expressed the same concerns as recently as last fall. Lately the tune has changed. The Minister, Carney and the P.M. have been downplaying these negative effects and are pursuing an attitude that the economy can absorb a dollar at parity.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Natalie
2010-04-04 11:23:27

I agree that much of the problem is that we have a generation that has for the most part not experienced bad times whether it be in the form of prolonged hunger and unemployment, genocide, or being forced to live in a modest rental in a middle-class neighborhood with oak cabinets and formica countertops. As a result, mindsets have shifted from preservation to entitlement. Although I am against depriving humans of basic needs, I think we needed a wake up call, especially for those that benefited from selfishly taking more than their share of the pie. They should be allowed to experience the full brunt of the consequences of their decisions so that their mistakes are not quickly repeated.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-04 13:26:28

..selfishly taking more than their share of the pie..

That part doesn’t appear to jibe with the rest of your comment. At first you seem to say people’s mindsets shifted towards an entitlement attitude, and then admonish some for “taking more than their share..”

Is anyone entitled to a share of the pie, and is it possible to take more than one’s share?

Comment by Natalie
2010-04-04 14:37:01

I don’t understand your comment. My reference was to a feeling of entitlement that you are entitled to the house you want, the car you want, etc. now, even though you don’t have the cash to support it. Many did so by going into debt, not by spending their salary. They acquired more than their salary could withstand and many have started to go into default when reality met fantasy. I believe in hard work and living within one’s means, not going into debt, pigging yourself out, and leaving the defaults for someone else to pay as you claim victim status. “Is anyone entitled to a share of the pie, and is it possible to take more than one’s share?” The simple answer is of course. If you can legally pay cash or easily afford debt service based on a very reasonable budget, I don’t usually have a problem with it. If you are buying crap with an IOU you can’t realistically pay back, yes you have consumed more than your fair share of the pie and I hope you get sick.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-05 01:33:13

..I don’t understand your comment..

hehe.. then we’re even. I’ll try again.

OK.. we have a sweet, home cooked apple pie and ten kids.
Mom loves them all equally, as moms are wont to do, and decrees that each kid is entitled to their fair share of the pie. One share is one tenth.

The kids are of all types. One is a thief, one is fat as a pig.. one is starving to death, another is sharp as a whip, one works his fingers to the bone, etc.

Outsiders might think the fat would do well with less than a tenth, the skinny one with more, etc
But we are talking about each getting a fair share. A fair share is a tenth, regardless.
They deserve a share just because the ten kids exist. To give any one of them more or less pie is unfair.
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In order to claim somebody is “..selfishly taking more than their share of the pie..”, you’d have to believe there is such a thing as a fair share, and that everybody is entitled to one, and only one share.
Payment is not required. You, I and everybody else are entitled. We already “hold title”. We already own a certain sized piece of the pie… it just needs to be distributed.
Do you believe that?

 
Comment by Natalie
2010-04-05 05:27:28

See bits bucket.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-04-04 17:01:52

Sometimes I can’t quite figure you out, Natalie.

I too would love to see those people take the full brunt of the consequences, but they have Main Street hostage.

I don’t see how living in a modest rental with oak cabinets and Formica countertops is a hardship. I keep comparing that to the kids in India cooking old computer motherboards to smelt out metal (inhaling plastic in the process), or the shanty slums on the hills of every city in South America, or rural China…stuff like that.

Comment by Natalie
2010-04-04 17:27:22

“I don’t see how living in a modest rental with oak cabinets and Formica countertops is a hardship.” Nor can I. That is what makes the statement ironic. I think most of the controversy surrounding me stems from the fact that my humor is profoundly dark and often consists of the juxtapostion of various beliefs and ideologies used in a style to expose the lunacy behind what is fed to us as truth - not unlike an Errol Morris movie. For those that who have not had the pleasure to see the beauty he creates, I encourage you to do so. I guess it is also akin to other works more commonly known such as South Park or Family Guy. Some watch it and clearly see the liberal shout out for social change, and some never get past the words themselves.

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Comment by knockwurst
2010-04-04 17:33:26

What we need is a good genocide to get people used to living with formica!

Comment by Natalie
2010-04-04 17:57:05

. . . and the reflection mirror is shattered into a thousand pieces.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-04 07:42:52

“Prices dropped, rebounded a little - in what’s known as a dead-cat bounce - and then stagnated for about three years.”

It’s well-known as a dead-cat bounce on the HBB. I didn’t realize the MSM had co-opted our term, which traditionally only applied to assets on which Wall Street traders gambled, not to houses…

Comment by mikey
2010-04-04 17:52:24

I think we’ll see dark clouds and cats raining and bouncing…everywhere.

(and No, I’m not an economist nor do I play one on Ben’s HBB)

:)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-04 07:44:43

“In the end, Urquhart accomplished her goal of getting into the housing market, but she won’t be living in her new place as she had hoped. Instead, she will become a landlord, renting the place out while living in a basement suite at her parent’s house where rent is cheap.

At least I’m in the market and I’m learning,’ she said.”

Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other.

- Benjamin Franklin -

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-04-04 08:07:21

Whoohoo, two links from the Cody, WY area…thanks, Ben. Looks like the out-of-state money is finally drying up and reality is setting in.

I drove past that empty gated community in Wapati at Christmas. It’s a beautiful location, but totally out of place. I doubt any local is going to buy in a gated community. They were totally looking for Californian money with that one.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-04 08:18:07

“They were totally looking for Californian money with that one.”

Maybe some Californians armed with $10K worth of Ahnold’s First-time Homebuyer credit will show up and start investing again…

Comment by DennisN
2010-04-04 11:29:49

Is the new CA credit limited to purchases within CA? If not, that’s a problem.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-04-04 08:26:53

An oldie but goodie:

‘From Planet Jackson Hole in Wyoming. “For (Broker) Ron Miller, and many like him, the Jackson Hole real estate market is a cash cow, a golden goose, with an unlimited future.”

“‘In Jackson, the market doesn’t really go down,’ said (realtor) Linda Walker. Broker Ryan Olsen agrees. ‘We are immune to the up and down treads that plague many real estate markets,’ he says. ‘Our real estate market is essentially quite ‘bullet proof!’”

“‘I’ve always been amazed with this market,’ David Viehman says. Viehman compiles an in-depth look at real estate trends in the Jackson Hole area. ‘I’ve been in real estate for 25 years and I still think, ‘This is crazy. Why would anybody pay these kinds of prices?’ To make ‘those’ kinds of profit, would be the pat answer.’”

“‘This is a real active market now,’ Walker says. ‘With low inventories, buyers are getting off the fence,’ Viehman says. ‘Maybe their spouses are elbowing them and saying ‘we better get on this before it takes off.’ That feeds an urgency.’”

“Available property may be at an all-time low but ‘dirt pimps’ are flocking to real estate courses like ravens to an elk kill. ‘There are almost 700 realtors in Jackson Hole,’ Walker says. ‘That’s a lot. A lot of real estate agents have a main job because they are not selling.’ Miller wonders. “There’s only about 40 of us who do any volume. The rest of them, I don’t know how they’re making a living.’”

“Indications are a growing number of high-end properties in Jackson Hole are no longer vacation or second homes, but purely financial investments that sit empty. It is a trend noticed by one agent, Ray Elser, when he sees a ’spec home’ change hands ‘three, four, and five times before construction is ever completed.’”

“Sure, property taxes soar with each reassessment but banks keep homeowners ahead by refinancing Jacksonites into their neo-wealth status. ‘You don’t have to sell a property to realize gain,’ Miller says. ‘You can get a new appraisal and borrow against the property and then go buy more properties. And when you borrow the money back, a lot of people don’t realize when you go get an equity loan it is not a taxable event. So you’re better off pulling a million dollars out of a property, tax-free, and buying more with that.’”

“‘Real estate values will continue to increase,’ Elser says. ‘My crystal ball can only see so far,” Viehman says, “it’s a little foggy, but there doesn’t seem to be anything that’s going to change the course.’”

Comment by DennisN
2010-04-04 11:27:00

The population of Jackson is 8,647 according to the new AAA tourbook. How the heck can a town of 8,647 support 700 realtors?

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-04-04 11:32:05

Sedona had a similar UHS/population ratio a few years back, and it was like JH. Most didn’t sell anything, but did buy some spec houses. I had a realtor tell me that most of the area foreclosures came from that bunch, but I think that’s an exaggeration.

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Comment by In Montana
2010-04-04 11:43:38

I thought it was 8,000 when I first went there in 1972. It was like heaven back then, but I don’t ever want to see it again.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-04-05 09:14:53

Because housing only goes up, silly!

(just kidding, of course!)

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Comment by mikey
2010-04-04 18:11:39

I wouldn’t need a moldy old frosty crystal ball to inform me that I wouldn’t like to be Stuck, Unemployed and Down and Out in Jackson Hole with a -40 degree wind chill this coming winter.

Hey….Back off you ravens !!

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-04-04 09:53:09

I was in Cody two years ago. It’s a small place (pop. 8,800) completely dependent upon the tourist trade, e.g. the Buffalo Bill museum. We drove up from my brother’s place in Riverton. There’s not much on the road to Cody except some ranches and a few oil wells.

A “gated community” doesn’t make much sense there. Out in the boonies some jerk will just attach a chain to the gate and use his truck to bust it down. A gate normally is just a trip point to get the cops to show up. No cops nearby - gate no good.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-04-04 12:39:40

One thing about setting up a defensive position is that almost anything you do to make something harder to get into also makes it harder to get out of if you have to abandon it under fire.

 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-04-04 08:36:23

“For (Broker) Ron Miller, and many like him, the Jackson Hole real estate market is a cash cow, a golden goose, with an unlimited future.”

Someone should email this to Miller….

Comment by arizonadude
2010-04-04 08:53:25

This rhetoric sounds like the same bs greg swann in phx has been spewing for years.

I drove by a local real estate office yesterday and they had a sign out that said:

‘Now is a great time to buy”

The bs never ends.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-04-04 08:59:03

We’ve got a local glossy RE mag that has this exact quote from a UHS in Williams:

Don’t be the one to say…
I should have bought it
WHEN I HAD THE
CHANCE!!

Comment by Natalie
2010-04-04 11:01:16

Life is filled with complex issues. What happens when we die? Will we be judged? Who will buy houses when we the end users are priced out forever? Well - some not as complex as others. I would love to see a follow up poll on those that bought because they felt if they did not they would never afford a home - and what they now have to say about their purchases and their lives. My guess would be that it would be much darker than any Todd Solondz film, and not be half as beautiful. :)

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Comment by Rancher
2010-04-04 13:38:03

“Life is filled with complex issues. What happens when we die? Will we be judged? ”

In a hundred years, no one will know who you
were, and nobody will care.

 
Comment by Natalie
2010-04-04 14:40:50

LOL. You must be a Solondz fan too.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-04-04 16:54:34

Natalie-
Thanks for the one up on Todd Solondz. Interesting body of work.

 
Comment by Natalie
2010-04-04 17:54:19

It you like him, I also gave an Errol Morris shout out above. Their works have profoundly moved me. Errol is slightly less a tortured soul and much less openly disturbing, but also an admirer of the human condition. I am addicted to documentaries and mockumentaries - religion, politics, science, history, mental illness, Wall Street, competitions of all sorts, etc. The illusion of free will and manipulation of the masses has always interested me. The psychological aspects of the housing bubble is one of the main reasons I found this blog. I have the securization and derivative structures down pretty well as to how the cash flows worked, but my main interest is to understand how debt leverage was introduced to the masses in a manner that did not send off warning bells. Some view this is admiration, but what I fell is nothing like that.

 
Comment by Natalie
2010-04-04 18:11:47

Some view this is admiration, but what I fell is nothing like that = Some view this as admiration, but what I feel is nothing like that … black berries are evil

 
Comment by mikey
2010-04-04 18:38:38

“The psychological aspects of the housing bubble is one of the main reasons I found this blog.”

Abnormal Psychology PSYC 245 Welcomes you.

John Hopkin’s Graduate level courses for undergrad prices here at Ben’s HBB Whiskey Tech online.

We also have a quaint PoliSci and a War Department.

:)

 
Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-04-04 20:59:44

Why stop at the housing bubble? Why not go all the way back to Edward Bernay’s brilliant methods of brainwashing the American consumer into becoming delusional and endentured pantywaists?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dA89CBBOC0

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-04-10 09:07:06

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Comment by GoneFishin
2010-04-04 09:21:04

I saw similar sign which included name of realtor & his agency posted on the lawn of home for sale. I did a property record search and the realtor owns the home. The house was served with lis pendens this past December.

Comment by In Montana
2010-04-04 11:46:46

Yeah funny how the realtors got younger and younger, and all seemed to own several “rentals.” So young, such financial acumen! I was so impressed! Then I found HBB.

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Comment by flg_az
2010-04-04 09:51:03

quote from realtor “Its a great time to buy and sell real estate”

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-04-04 12:10:49

IIRC, that was the line the NAR rolled out in late 2007.

Comment by Timmy Boy
2010-04-04 13:48:38

Yeah… that was NAR’s greatest line ever.

How can it be a great time to BUY & SELL??!!??

Just goes to show you.. there are no limits to the NAR propoganda machine!!

Comment by oxide
2010-04-04 17:04:40

If you make your money on churn…

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-04-05 09:17:49

We have a winner!

Same with “the market” Sure, it’s posted very limited gains in 10+ years (especially once you factor in inflation), but man, those fees - they get them coming and going!

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-04-05 06:14:36

Late 2007 is correct.

Yup…… churn transactions are a commissioned salesman’s best friend.

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-04-04 10:10:38

Since this is a PNW thread…..

The Pepperwood townhouse development was originally developed by Southfork. Southfork apparently had troubles and the development was stalled suddenly - they walked away leaving houses under constuction with bare OSB exposed.

About two months ago something happened. A beehive of activity fell upon the abandoned Pepperwood development. A new develper has taken over, the modestly-named Prestige Homes.

What’s funny is that Southfork never took down their website. It’s funny to see their original wishing prices next to what Prestige is now advertising - about a $100k haircut.

Comment by DennisN
2010-04-04 11:04:36

Original Southfork link.

http://www.pepperwoodplace.com/floorplans.html

New Prestige link.

http://www.prestigehomesofidaho.com/pepperwood.html

Quite a reduction in wishing price, eh?

However, at those prices the places are selling. About 1/3 now sport “sale pending” signs.

 
 
Comment by pmseatac
2010-04-04 10:26:23

“The Yakima Herald in Washington. “Young professionals make up most of the residents who took advantage of a lease-to-own option offered earlier this year to get residents into the 27-unit development. Now the downtown condominium development at 17 N. Third St. is offering temporary price breaks of up to 50 percent off.” ”

Can any other Washington resident tell me what kind of jobs there are in Yakima for young professionals ? It seems more like a farm town.

Comment by DennisN
2010-04-04 11:46:18

Well the couple in the story are both dentists.

 
Comment by VegasBob
2010-04-04 16:44:41

I’ve been through Yakima. It used to be a big apple growing area.

Comment by DennisN
2010-04-05 01:11:00

I’ve driven through the area and noticed that Washington’s main wine district lies between Yakima and Sunnyside along the I-82 corridor.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-04-04 22:34:12

“The price for a one-bedroom unit is now $199,000, down from $353,000, and the model two-bedroom unit has dropped from $553,000 to $360,000. The rest of the condos range in price from $350,000 to $600,000.”

Yakima IS more of a farm town. I am truly astonished at the CURRENT prices of this place, let alone the originals. One of the commenters suggested these are good prices. This is insanity. I’m convinced this place, like the earlier comment about Cody, was intended to bring in outsiders used to spending more, in spite of the two dentists being from there.

Yakima’s downtown is very hardscrabble, IMO. Wide streets, lots of industrial buildings and mom&pops with signs that haven’t changed since the 70s or 80s. Does not compute for me. But there are still lots o’ apples…

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-04-05 09:21:08

Well, if a house used to cost 3x what it should, then having it cost 2x what it should makes it a steal?! Buy now, or be stuck not living in debt forever!

 
 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-04-04 10:42:57

“…hovering at 9%….getting worse every day.”

Out here in Red State Flyover world, the PTB are always bragging about the “low unemployenet rate”…….like that makes us some kind of superior society vs. those liberal, high-tax, supporting-bazillions-on-welfare blue staters.

Never mind that 90% of the jobs here don’t pay squat. Never mind that the quality of life mostly sucks, if you aren’t into cow-tipping, country line dancing, or drinking/tweaking/bar fights. Never mind that the population is getting stupider all the time, because of the accelerated inbreeding.

(Just joking with that last comment…..sorta.)

Of course, there is no discussion about how that number can change in a hurry around here. 100 layoffs in California or New York doesn’t even make the gauge twitch. 100 layoffs out here is a BIG DEAL.

State unemployment numbers are essentially meaningless, unless you wank to give hope to the sheeple that there are jobs “somewhere else”.
The national number (meaning the U-6, aka the “Real” number) is whats everyone should be looking at.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-04-05 09:22:31

Shhhhh….

We can’t keep upon the CONsumption based eCONomy if people know that they don’t have any hope for future employment.

 
 
Comment by Lisa
2010-04-04 15:12:12

“The national number (meaning the U-6, aka the “Real” number) is what everyone should be looking at.”

Even U-6 doesn’t include the self-employed who are unemployed or working less than they’d like to. So that 16% U-6 figure still doesn’t fully count the unemployment rate in this country.

 
Comment by reuven
2010-04-10 08:38:42

‘I’m the first, and there are probably another few hundred behind me,’ said John, who at 41 worked as a VP for two regional banks in the Vail Valley and as recently as two years ago earned $600,000 annually making loans. He asked that his last name not be used for fear of damaging his banking career.”

What the hell is wrong with these people? You know how improbable it is to sustain that type of income over the long term? He should have saved as much as he can, instead of upping his lifestyle so that it required a $600K/year income to maintain.

 
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