Empty Views That Hardly Anyone Can Afford
A report from News 9. “In 2008, Brian Neill and his wife Olivia found the perfect property to build Happy Hounds, a doggie daycare. But they were living in Pennsylvania at the time. They put their house on the market assuming it would sell in a few months and they could pack up and move to Colorado. Little did they know the housing market was about to take a dive. But they could not sell the home and they would not let go of the new business that was already under construction. ‘I think we were caught up like a lot of people,’ Olivia said. ‘We thought when we sell the house we will make a profit and put it to the business.’”
“Eighteen long months had passed. While Olivia was busy building boarding kennels and a doggie playground at their new business in Longmont, Brian was back in Pennsylvania trying to sell the house while working full time to pay the bills. Finally, in December of 2009 a decision had to be made. After nearly two years living their lives in two states, the couple reunited on Christmas Day. They sacrificed the home for Happy Hounds. ‘It was the hardest decision I’ve ever had to face,’ Brian said. ‘We can always eventually buy a new house, but you only get one chance to do something like this that you really love.’”
The Philadelphia Inquirer in Pennsylvania. “Builder Marshal Granor is hoping this will be a banner month for home sales. In fact, an eight-foot-long banner announcing Granor Price Homes’ ‘Let’s Make a Deal Weekend’ will greet prospective buyers at its developments two April weekends. The Horsham firm is among thousands of builders and real-estate agents nationwide attempting to lasso home buyers before federal tax credits expire April 30. Decision-makers will be on site, he said, ‘to review and accept all reasonable offers.’”
“Up to now, there’s been no mad rush to take advantage of the new credits, economists outside the housing industry point out. Even as builders hurried to start houses they believed would be swallowed up quickly by eager buyers, economists such as Patrick Newport of IHS Global Insight in Lexington, Mass., predicted - correctly, as it turned out - that there would be ‘payback’ in the first quarter.”
“Newport and others said a large share of new-home sales between January and March would not have occurred had there been no incentive. By starting more houses, builders simply increased inventory they had been cutting for almost 33 months - and now, those houses, too, need buyers.”
From Delmarva Now. “When Max Spann speaks, everybody listens — that is, everybody scouting Maryland’s Eastern Shore for a bargain on a luxury waterfront home well below the original sales price. In November, Spann sold 14 condominium units at the Harbour Light community overlooking Tangier Sound in Crisfield. About the same time, the firm auctioned units at Sunset Bay on nearby Chincoteague Island on the Eastern Shore of Virginia.”
“In late April, Spann will auction half the unsold Water’s Edge town houses on the Annemessex River in what could be a last chance to snatch a new luxury residential property in Crisfield for less. Bidding starts at $75,000 on 18 town house residences originally priced between $365,000 and $700,000. Robert Messick Homes developed Water’s Edge, completing 38 units in a first phase construction project and selling 20, said Glen McDonald, regional director of business development at the New Jersey-based Max Spann Real Estate & Auction Co. A continued soft housing market complicated by a recession stalled sales on the remaining vacant units and nixed plans for a second phase of units.”
“Since Crisfield in the last few years shifted its economy to maritime and tourism, at least five waterfront residential communities have sprouted where factories once stood, some of them caught into the housing crunch and forced into foreclosure. ‘Now is the perfect time for buyers to capitalize on this window of opportunity,’ Spann said in a statement. ‘Water’s Edge is one of those opportunities that can’t be ignored.’”
The Baltimore Sun in Maryland. “Counselors and attorneys at St. Ambrose Housing Aid Center, Baltimore’s largest nonprofit foreclosure-prevention team, can take on about 1,900 troubled borrowers a year - a weighty load of nearly 200 cases each. But more than 150,000 Maryland homeowners are behind on their mortgages.”
“Even now, the team of nine employees and one volunteer at St. Ambrose aren’t seeing the crisis abate. Instead, from their offices in a converted red-brick rowhouse in Barclay, a neighborhood with scores of abandoned homes, they see a never-ending stream of clients. Emotions run so high that Anne Balcer Norton, director of foreclosure prevention at St. Ambrose, has considered installing panic buttons in rooms where staffers meet with clients.”
“Getting a mortgage during the housing bubble was easier than easy, but getting it modified now to avoid foreclosure is often fiendishly difficult. ‘I naively came into this position without fully appreciating how big this crisis would become,’ said Norton, head of the operation since fall 2007, soon after foreclosures began worsening. ‘It’s now a pandemic.’”
The Washington Examiner. “A steady stream of disturbing facts are becoming public about the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program conceived by former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson during George W. Bush’s last year and approved in 2008 by the Democratic Congress. The program also has been championed by President Obama since he assumed the Oval Office in 2009. The emerging picture is not a pretty one, however, because it illustrates yet again that politicians cannot resist the temptation of using tax dollars to advance their personal political interests.”
“Judicial Watch recently obtained via the Freedom of Information Act a series of internal e-mails generated during the Paulson era at Treasury that document efforts to help a troubled bank by House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., who chairs the panel’s subcommittee on housing and community opportunity. Funds from the TARP program were supposed to be used to jump-start lending by healthy banks. But One United Bank, a troubled minority-owned bank headquartered in Frank’s district, got a $12 million infusion of tax dollars.”
“Frank has been vague about his role in securing those funds for One United Bank, telling the Wall Street Journal last year that he spoke to somebody at Treasury about it, but couldn’t recall that official’s name. The e-mails obtained by Judicial Watch clear up that mystery — Frank spoke on multiple occasions to Paulson about One United Bank. The e-mails obtained by Judicial Watch also reveal that Waters lobbied Treasury on behalf of One United Bank as well, a fact that raised eyebrows within Treasury because the California congresswoman’s husband was at the time on the bank’s board of directors.”
“One United Bank’s problems were caused in large part by its extensive investments in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which lost value when those scandal-plagued institutions were nationalized. ‘I did feel that it was important to frankly try and save them since it was federal action that put them into the dumper,’ Frank told the Wall Street Journal.”
The Roanoke Times in Virginia. “William Dudley, president and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, shared his remarks Thursday evening at Washington and Lee University’s Stackhouse Theater. Dudley reviewed the cascading disasters in the housing sector, mortgage lending, ‘new financial products,’ rampant speculation and deeply indebted homeowners that helped create the Great Recession.”
“‘Now, with the aid of hindsight, it is pretty clear that we built too many houses, invested in too much commercial real estate and overvalued the price of both significantly,’ he said.”
“As for regulatory reform, Dudley said the nation needs to ‘think hard about what we can do to prevent the type of speculative bubbles that occurred from causing so much damage in the future.’”
The Falls Church Times in Virginia. “Single-family homes continue to move at a brisk pace in Falls Church City, even at prices far above their City assessments. The latest example is 912 Lincoln Ave., which was priced at $1,100,000 and sold in six days. The house hasn’t closed yet, but it’s a safe bet that it’s going to sell for well above the $900,000 at which it’s assessed. Several other City houses have sold within days for well above their assessments. A home at 502 Columbia, priced at $795,000, sold in 4 days; it was assessed at $677,000. Likewise, 1304 Seaton Lane sold in four days; priced at $780,000, it was assessed at just $636,000.”
“A house at 1005 Seaton Lane took 121 days to get a contract, but, priced at $782,000 compared to an assessment of $613,000, it still will almost certainly close far higher than the assessed value. The listing agent for the Lincoln house, Joan Sutton, credited accurate pricing and a walk-to-Metro-and-town location for the quick sale. She also suggested that Falls Church City’s housing market is a little different — better — than many others.”
“Ms. Sutton said large, fancy houses in Great Falls have languished. In the case of Falls Church City, she reiterated a familiar refrain: there’s not a lot of houses for people to choose from, but there are plenty of people looking. If a buyer is seeking at least four bedrooms, there are seven houses to select from as of March 28. Three of those are over $1.2 million, and one of them isn’t even built. The one not built is being offered for sale pre-construction priced at $1,289,900.”
The News & Observer in North Carolina. “After a period when too many lenders focused just on the getting people into homes - and not on whether they could afford the homes - the pendulum has swung back in the other direction. The number of mortgage products being offered to consumers has shrunk, while the amount of income documentation being required of borrowers has increased. ‘It’s going back to how things were done 10 years ago,” said Jim Bennison, a senior VP with Raleigh-based Genworth Mortgage Insurance.”
“Given how severe the housing downturn has been, said Todd Barbour, VP of a mortgage company in Cary, many people assume they won’t be able to get a loan. That’s a mistake, he said, because there are good loans available for qualified buyers and interest rates are at historic lows. One of Barbour’s clients, Lauri and Mark Moore, recently purchased a home for $285,000 in Wake Forest. The couple got a 30-year mortgage with an interest rate of less than 5 percent.”
“‘It went crazy smooth for us,’ Lauri Moore said. ‘It was literally a miracle how smooth it went.’”
“As a consumer with good credit and a 10-year history of paying his mortgage on time, Ed McLaughlin expected that his record would put him in good standing with his bank. But when he approached his lender, Bank of America, about refinancing his existing mortgage or qualifying for a new loan, McLaughlin felt like a brand new customer just off the street.”
“‘They said new banking laws required that I jump through all the hoops, which I thought was a little odd because my record with Bank of America had been good,’ said McLaughlin, who lives in North Raleigh. ‘All the new paperwork, all the new guidelines they were now required to administer. All that was going to complicate it.’”
The Star News in North Carolina. “Up until last year, home buyer Jodi Laprade thought, ‘I was one of those folks who did everything right.’ In 2006, she put 20 percent down on a Victorian in downtown Wilmington. ‘The money I put down was the equity I had built up over the years,’ she said. Her loan was conventional, not one of those ‘funky’ interest-only or no-down-payment mortgages. It was well within her budget. That is, until July 2009. ‘Unfortunately, I got laid off.’”
“‘It was probably a couple of days after I got laid off, I called Bank of America to see whether they could temporarily modify my mortgage,’ Laprade said. The bank suggested she could refinance. But the bank ‘would not accept unemployment as valid income,’ Laprade said sarcastically.”
“So she started the short sale process last October. Laprade paid $370,000 for her home, and her mortgage was $290,000. The offer she received in November was for $245,000. ‘I was sick over the amount of equity I had lost,’ she said. Laprade says she has ‘already gone through the mourning process’ as she watches the short sale slowly take its course.”
“Loan servicers are not set up for quick loan modifications or assessment of short sale requests. ‘The whole process is kind of cumbersome,’ said Rob Story, chairman of the Mortgage Bankers Association, a trade group. ‘A lot of loans are held by investors, and the servicer needs to get approval’ from them to allow a short sale, he explained.”
“Brian and Kate Ray of Leland are in the midst of a short sale, working through their lender, Wells Fargo. Brian was laid off from construction management and is going back to school to get a better job. Kate is a teacher, but they are having trouble on just one income, Brian Ray said. They made a big down payment – 30 percent – and continue to pay their full mortgage payment, ‘but this can’t go on forever,’ Ray said.”
“At first, ‘we just put (our house) on the market, selling it normally. It wasn’t working,’ Ray said. Then, the Rays’ agent suggested a short sale, and they ‘decided to do that, so we could get out of here and get into something more affordable,’ he continued.”
“The Rays’ asking price was about what they owed on their mortgage, Ray said. ‘But with fees and closing costs, we would still owe the bank,’ he said. ‘We got a contract for $10,000 less than we owed. ‘We’re trying to do the right thing by the bank as well,’ Ray added.”
The Citizen Times in North Carolina. “‘Because that’s where the money is,’ Willie Sutton is reported to have said, when asked why he robbed banks. Sutton made the FBI’s Top 10 most wanted list back in the 30s, but nowadays our lawmakers seem to have trouble seeing that crimes were committed in the nation’s banks that has robbed the nation of trillions of dollars of wealth and millions of jobs.”
“It wasn’t guys like Sutton walking in with guns. It was an inside job as a few Wall Street-types robbed us all into a Great Recession. There has been a legitimate anger rising across middle-America at the high-handed ways of those same bankers who precipitated the financial meltdown in 2008.”
“The housing bubble that saw a slew of controversial developments rising up our ridgetops — as close as Reynolds Mountain or Bartram’s Walk within eyesight of downtown Asheville, or the Cliffs overlooking Swannanoa — grew and grew along with astronomical housing prices, until it all finally popped.”
“Now we have million-dollar homes sitting vacant on ridges all around Western North Carolina, empty views that hardly anyone can afford since the mumbo-jumbo of jumbo mortgages went away.”
“A bubble bursting sounds kind of harmless, but plenty of people have been hurt in the aftermath. The hard-working counselors at OnTrack Financial Education and Counseling in Asheville are seeing huge increases in clients who are facing foreclosure after falling behind on their mortgages. These aren’t necessarily the folks who took out tricky subprime mortgages that later exploded, but creditworthy customers who have since lost their jobs and their ability to make payments.”
“Part of the problem was a lack of oversight on investment banks and hedge funds and no transparency in the market for the credit default swaps that were bet by the billions on toxic subprime mortgages. What set my blood to boiling was the recent report on the Lehman Brothers’ bankruptcy back in 2008. The auditor found that Lehman essentially cooked its books to shuffle $50 billion off its bottom line before its quarterly report, hiding its bad investments while misleading investors and regulators.”
“The trouble is that accounting trick was not illegal under existing law, but Washington policymakers should make sure it is a crime going forward, so we don’t have a repeat of the skullduggery that nearly triggered another Great Depression. Willie Sutton spent most of his adult life behind bars for his crime spree. His take for all those robberies came to only about $2 million. That’s chump change these days on Wall Street.”
“Lehman Brothers’ CEO Richard Fuld collected $300 million in pay and bonuses over the past eight years, presiding over the largest bankruptcy in American history. And he was by no means alone, raking in the loot. That’s the real shame, if not a crime, if you ask me.”
Good God… After reading this tripe the title of the post should have been “Empty Skulls….. When everyone thinks they can afford”
“They sacrificed the home for Happy Hounds. ‘It was the hardest decision I’ve ever had to face”
LOL! I guess this guy hasn’t experienced much…
More evidence that know-nothings will ride an asset price right to the bottom rather than take 10-20% off the table when the gettin’ is good.
I went back and read the whole story. The house was on the market for almost two years. They always intended to get rid of it. What was the sacrifice, not selling at an above-market price for a substantial profit? Am I missing something?
“Am I missing something?”
Yes, they wanted to pour the money into Happy Hounds, a doggie daycare center. See? That is a really hard decision to make.
Yes, but the thing they gave up had no value other than in fantasy world. Thus, it is strange to call it a sacrifice. Rather than portraying this story as one of sacrifice, I would have portrayed it for what it is . . . a story about an overly optimistic young couple that made bad financial decisions and ultimately had to come to terms with reality.
“Yes, but the thing they gave up had no value other than in fantasy world. Thus, it is strange to call it a sacrifice.”
You just don’t get it do you? I’m flying, I’m flying!! We’re all flying!
* Floats off to open a candle store
Go open a doggie biscuit bakery on Marsh St. in SLO. Oh, you mean that there is already one there ???
Either way, they’re ankle deep in dog crap.
LOL. I used to love horses until I moved next door to a horse stable. The smell and flies were overwhelming.
“LOL. I used to love horses until I moved next door to a horse stable. The smell and flies were overwhelming.”
Natalie…The smell and flies come as standard equipment…even with Black Beauty and the Rainbow Pony.
I used to love airports, until I moved next to one.
You were maybe thinking those were balls of chocolate coming from the rears of horses?
You are so right. None of these knuckleheads was forced to buy anything or take any kind of loan. They were voluntary participants.
“Little did they know the housing market was about to take a dive.”
Uh, hello, this is 2008 calling. The housing market was already diving!
Sounds like they should team up with the idiots making doggie buscuits and candles in SLO. Great business plan.
And I thought Thousand Oaks and Westlake Village had the only “Doggie Bakery”. The T.O. one is now out of business.
A lot of times these businesses are the way successful husbands keep their princess wives busy. It’s usually (not always) an expensive hobby. I was in the shopping center game and saw it more than once.
Yes - in this new economic model, it is a sacrifice to NOT hit the jackpot. Insane, but that’s the way it was, and the way people still expect it to be once we get back to “normal” (i.e. return to the Bubble.)
Also, nevermind that for every jackpot scoring seller there’s an f’d buyer, but who cares about that, right? Argh!
I give them kudos for trying to do both for so long. And what’s wrong with a doggie daycare business? In my neck of the woods, they seem to do really well.
Happy Hounds…
Ye Old Candle Shop…
Another Quaint Bed and Breakfst, Inc…
Ya!…We’re gonna start a unique business in some far-away land, kick back, let the money flow in and retire.
This is a serious problem in the US. Some of these people are way past being fools, idiots and dreamers.
I suspect that they are Certifiably Mentally Insane and should be locked up along with members of Congress as a Danger to Themselves and Others.
On the flip side, we have created an economy where real jobs are harder to find than they should be (and there is no job security), and where craziness is rewarded. So, seeing the craziness filter down to every level of society isn’t that surprising, though it is unhealthy.
Another Quaint Bed and Breakfst, Inc…
Last summer, when I was visiting my aunt in northern Vermont, we took a day trip up to Quebec. A few miles south of the border, we passed through a forlorn looking valley with few, if any, souls around.
In the midst of this spot was a bed and breakfast. That was up for sale.
The trouble with businesses like doggie daycares is that when the economy turns south, this is one of the first expenditures to get cut. Y’know, like the $5 lattes and the trips to the pirate store.
And, as things get worse, there are people who decide that they can do without the dog. I’ve heard that cases of pet abandonment are way up.
They’re not bad eating, either.
You don’t need “doggie daycare” when you spend your days at home after getting laid off.
Good point.
Years ago, when my father opened his engineering consultancy, he liked to joke that he had an associate named Max. He was a longhaired dachshund that my mother had fallen in love with after the two doxies I grew up with got old and died.
Well, Dad and Max quickly became a team. It was SOP for the dog to be hanging around my dad’s office. Dad would be working at his desk, and Max would be sitting on the floor next to his doggie bed, chewing it up.
Fortunately, the doggie bed was a big box that my teacher mother had cadged from the janitors at school. The guys were always trying to get rid of those boxes, and my mother’s never-ended requests for more of them was like a dream come true.
Associate Max was a valued part of my dad’s business. After all, Mom was off at school all day and I was a young adult Slim who was out on my own. Max kept my dad company, and that was a good thing.
The same idiots leaving pets behind are some of the same abandoned their kids. The people that do either….I wish and pray for death on them!!!
Lane
“The Horsham firm is among thousands of builders and real-estate agents nationwide attempting to lasso home buyers before federal tax credits expire April 30. Decision-makers will be on site, he said, ‘to review and accept all reasonable offers.’”
Will the entire planet crumble into a pile of cosmic dust after April 30?
“…to lasso home buyers….”
Aren’t the buyers supposed to be snapping them up out of their own free will? The other day there was a puff piece about how Americans still view housing as a “good bet”. What’s the matter then? Houses should be selling themselves!
Mark my word: Pretty soon all Americans will agree that “real estate is the worst investment.”
Faith in homeownership drops, Fannie Mae poll shows
By Renae Merle
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 6, 2010
Despite turbulence in the housing market during the past three years, most people still think homeownership is important and preferable to renting, but many remain skeptical that home prices will rebound soon, according to a survey by Fannie Mae to be released Tuesday.
The survey is Fannie Mae’s first attempt to gauge how the foreclosure crisis has affected public attitudes about homeownership. The crisis was unprecedented in many aspects, including the widespread decline in home values and the prevalence of risky subprime loans, company officials said.
With some homeowners feeling burned by the housing crisis, the survey found that many people are less likely to take risks related to buying a home.
“We have been through a serious dislocation of the housing market,” said Mike Williams, Fannie Mae’s chief executive. “What we’re trying to determine is what are the effects for consumers.”
…
“The effect for consumers” is that my tax dollars now expressly guarantee Fannie Mae and its portfolio of mortgage loans based on artificial home values. Maybe the next survey the agency decides to commission should ask respondents how they feel about that.
Well here in Sandy Eggo folks haven’t got that news yet. The bottoms been called and multiple bids and flipping are back in vogue.
“…to lasso home buyers….”
Do the buyers have bovine brains and bodies?
“Do the buyers have bovine brains and bodies?”
Well, they all stampeded over the cliff (or were marched into the slaughterhouse) for the past 5 years or so.
Nah - so long as the Fed keeps printing free money all over the place, we won’t have the horrible End of the Housing Bubble (World), so no need to worry. And I seriously doubt the Homebuyer’s Bribe/Credit will go away at the end of the month. At most, it’ll be gone a month or two and then come back since “we need expensive houses to keep our economy strong.” or something like that.
Now, the future for savers on the other hand, well… things aren’t looking too good for them…
I still think savers win regardless of the housing mess or investments. Cash in hand allows you to take advantage of opportunities when they arise. The $ you can save over years is probably a better return on your money than any investment scheme. The peace of mind can’t be bought at any price.
‘At most, it’ll be gone a month or two and then come back since “we need expensive houses to keep our economy strong.” or something like that.’
If it goes away, it will return as soon as the PTB figure out that housing prices cannot stay up on the permanently high plateau without Uncle Sam’s enduring support.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I don’t think the tax kickback is going to help very much longer even if they keep it because pretty soon it would only help those who were going to buy anyway.
Longmont, CO property values started tanking a few years ago; is the bottom within sight for the 3/2-spec yet?
wisdom says ‘probably not’
What’s the median in Longmont these days?
“Brian and Kate Ray of Leland are in the midst of a short sale, working through their lender, Wells Fargo. Brian was laid off from construction management and is going back to school to get a better job. Kate is a teacher, but they are having trouble on just one income, Brian Ray said. They made a big down payment – 30 percent – and continue to pay their full mortgage payment, ‘but this can’t go on forever,’ Ray said.”
A 30 percent downpayment is normally enough to protect the lender against a home going underwater. If the couple has to walk, the banksters get to claim that thirty percent as their own, and can bide their time until the market comes back to sell at a premium if they choose to do so.
PB - my first thought upon reading this is: with 30% down they still can’t afford the payments on on a single salary?
As was mine. My second thought was…… they paid a grossly inflated amount for too many square feet.
Gotta have it ya know. At any cost. Just ask Stanley Johnson.
“Brian was laid off from construction management and is going back to school to get a better job.”
Huh? Obviously at some point in time Brian thought his old job to be good enough to become overextended on a house - so what does he mean by “better job”?
I’ll be my next paycheck he is going for his teaching certification. The education field (and gov’t jobs in general) are being flooded with recession refugees. Said folks are bringing high salary expectations to these fields and competition is fierce.
That is correct. If there’s one thing that public schools can cut immediately, it’s the recruiting budget.
I like the assumption about going back to school to get a better paying job. How quaint!
In New Amerika, more education can’t stave off the realities of the vanishing job market forever…
Or as the saying goes: “Retrain? Retrain for what?”
“……..since it was Federal action that put them in the dumper.”
Federal action (and inaction) has put EVERYONE in the dumper. Yet only the “chosen ones” get Federal bailouts.
I keep hoping that the reason that things are so quiet on the “perp walk” front is because it takes time to build cases against white collar criminals. But months have gone by, and we haven’t seen any low/mid level “wise guys” dragged in for prosecution. Which means there is nobody to squeeze for testimony against the “bosses”.
We now meet the official definition of “Banana Republic”. The only question now is whether the final transition can be pulled off, or if the whole thing is going to collapse because of stupidity, or everyone suffocating after being buried in BS.
Most J6Ps doesn’t care. The few that do can be easily controlled by all those National Guard units that got OJT in quelling insurgencies in Iraq.
(Yeah, I went to sleep with my tin-foil hat on…..)
Well, we’ll at least be a Banana Republic with LOTS OF STUFF TO BUY!!!! And, the more you buy, the more you SAVE!!!
Now, admittedly, some folks might think that not having a job will get in the way of this, or that changing the rules every few weeks to protect those in power might also create problems, but they just don’t under the entirely new economic model we’re working off off…
/snark.
Yeah, it’s the “New Paradigm”. And if you aren’t smart enough to figure out how people can make money with no jobs, you deserve to be treated like a neo-serf.
“Judicial Watch obtained e-mails that document efforts to help a troubled bank by House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., who chairs the panel’s subcommittee on housing and community opportunity. Funds from the TARP program were supposed to be used to jump-start lending by healthy banks. But One United Bank, a troubled minority-owned bank headquartered in Frank’s district, got a $12 million infusion of tax dollars.
‘I did feel that it was important to frankly try and save them since it was federal action that put them into the dumper,’ Frank told the Wall Street Journal.”
Frwank WAS the ‘federal action!’ His roommate was busted for male prostitution so maybe ‘ol Barney has some sort of disease that’s affecting his brain…and speech pattern.
http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/index.html
“Frankly try”..indeed.
They sacrificed the home for Happy Hounds. ‘It was the hardest decision I’ve ever had to face,’ Brian said. ‘We can always eventually buy a new house, but you only get one chance to do something like this that you really love.’”
What, exactly, did they “sacrifice?” They walked away from it and were able to start their business?
Essentially, counting the value of the tax-free forgiven debt, they got 6 digits of tax-free income paid for by you and me and the other taxpayers (the 49% of Americans who actually pay federal income tax) to start their business!
Considering all the work I have to do for tax compliance for my little consulting business, I’d love to get comparable treatment for me.
Boo hoo.
Actually I believe it’s more like 39% of people in the USA don’t pay into the system. 61% do.
Some of the comments on that News9 site about the doggy daycare make me hate my fellow man even more than usual. For example:
ongmontDad I am calling you out! Why all the hate? I happen to know the Neills and can say that they have sacrificed more starting this business than most people do in an entire lifetime. They did not use government handouts, bailouts or even loans to fund this endeavor. This business generates revenue, ultimately stimulating the local economy. I love to see hard work pay off and their success is an example of what is right with our country, there is still opportunity if we want to work for it. This is the epitome of the American dream. Happy Hounds is bringing jobs to the community, paying taxes, and in general giving back! I am not sure I can understand your frustration with something so positive and successful as this.
Are these people stupid? Because the bank bailout is funded by the taxpayers, and there’s special tax treatment for forgiven mortgage debt, these people are using “government handouts, bailouts [and] loans”.
The reporter doesn’t give the details of what they foreclosed on, but they could have easily taken $100,000 of taxpayer money by doing this.
Admittedly, it may be legal, just as walking into and SSDI office and getting money for life by saying you’re depressed is. But don’t go doing this and then claim you’re “sacrificing!” And for other people witnessing these events, don’t think that they’re doing something great. They’re taking welfare.
Notice the reporter’s use of the word “doggie” in the story aside from quotes or the FB’s business’s name. When did “dog” become “doggie” in the AP Stylebook?
I hope someone from the bank and the IRS checks their timeline after this story was in the paper. If they already moved and bought another home–depending on the amount of time–this home may not be their “primary residence”, etc, and it may make a difference wrt recourse and tax forgiveness on debt.
That’s what I thought. So far, they may think they are in the clear, but I see no reason why legally someone can’t come later an attempt to collect on their debt.
Walking away from a house is just not that easy.
Walking away from a house is just not that easy.
In some cases, it is.
Take, for example, the abandoned house in my neighborhood. It’s just two doors away from one of the busiest crosstown roads in Tucson. Which probably turned off a lot of potential buyers when it was up for sale a year or so ago.
After the “for sale” sign came down, the not-so-friendly family with all the shiny new vehicles and other stuff stayed on for a while.
This past weekend, when I bicycled by, I noticed that the place was deserted. And all the shiny new vehicles and other stuff was gone.
And, from my reading of the NOTS that was posted on the front gate, the now-former homeowners have taken their vehicles and other stuff back south of the border.
And, from my reading of the NOTS that was posted on the front gate, the now-former homeowners have taken their vehicles and other stuff back south of the border.
That’s one way to escape from a recourse loan. Importing cars into Mexico (legally) is still a tricky process as “protecionist” Mexico prefers that Mexicans purchased vehicles assembled in Mexico. Of course there is a very good chance that their “trokas” were assembled in Mexico anyway.
In Arizona, home loans are non-recourse.
That being said, the NOTS’s stated loan amount on the property was an eye-popper. Which tells me that the took-a-powder family did at least one refinancing.
When did “dog” become “doggie” in the AP Stylebook?
“Doggie” sounds more pet-like, suggesting an animal that someone “cares for”, as in, spend money on. At a Slap Happy Hound Hotel, perhaps.
However, “dog” reminds us it’s a dog-eat-dog world; and some places, it’s a “man-eat-dog” world. Not likely you’re going to spend much dough on shampooing the protein for somebody’s poochburger.
Oh, okay.
Dogs = bad
Doggies = good
Kinda like “lawyers” and “attorneys.”
I see Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and Hank Paulson were very busy cashing in.
I just don’t understand how such blatant conflicts of interest and ethical lapses can go unreported.
“Judicial Watch recently obtained via the Freedom of Information Act a series of internal e-mails generated during the Paulson era at Treasury that document efforts to help a troubled bank by House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., who chairs the panel’s subcommittee on housing and community opportunity. Funds from the TARP program were supposed to be used to jump-start lending by healthy banks. But One United Bank, a troubled minority-owned bank headquartered in Frank’s district, got a $12 million infusion of tax dollars.”
“Frank has been vague about his role in securing those funds for One United Bank, telling the Wall Street Journal last year that he spoke to somebody at Treasury about it, but couldn’t recall that official’s name. The e-mails obtained by Judicial Watch clear up that mystery — Frank spoke on multiple occasions to Paulson about One United Bank. The e-mails obtained by Judicial Watch also reveal that Waters lobbied Treasury on behalf of One United Bank as well, a fact that raised eyebrows within Treasury because the California congresswoman’s husband was at the time on the bank’s board of directors.”
Trying to get stuff for your district isn’t a conflict of interest issue for Congressmen. It is a large chunk of their job description. I don’t see a problem with Frank making the call. If Paulson arranged for a bank that did not otherwise qualify for the program into the program because of that phone call, well, that is a problem - a huge one. My office gets stuff referred to us from the offices of congress critters all the time (generally a forwarded letter from a constituent). The finished replies get sent to a special office in headquarters to make sure that we spelled the rep’s name right, used the right address and a few other non-substantive checks. Otherwise, we treat them just like any other letter, including the ones written in crayon on torn notebook paper. No difference in how we respond.
The calls from Rep Waters are more troubling. As a matter of ethics she should recuse herself from making calls like that on behalf of an org which pays her husband. Unless he is purely a volunteer, I think this was inappropriate. I can’t say whether it is improper under their ethics rules as I am not familiar with them
“…including the ones written in crayon on torn notebook paper. No difference in how we respond”
Polly, if you get one done in purple with an angry red(smiley) face, that’s mine !
“Frank has been vague about his role in securing those funds for One United Bank, telling the Wall Street Journal last year that he spoke to somebody at Treasury about it, but couldn’t recall that official’s name.”
Did the name perchance start with a ‘G’?
Probably not. Frank spoke only to the WSJ last year about speaking to Treasury. But’s Frank’s conversation with Treasury itself probably took place before that, while Paulson was still at Treasury and Geithner was still in New York.
It’s a little confusing in the way the article is written, but please consider that The Examiner is the conservative freebie paper in DC. The confusion is probably deliberate, as is the blatent focus on Frank and Waters, two of the favorite whipping-boys for the right-wing.
I try not to be too political, but when someone posts content from a blatently political source, I try to answer.
‘the Examiner is the conservative freebie paper in DC. The confusion is probably deliberate, as is the blatent focus on Frank and Waters, two of the favorite whipping-boys for the right-wing’
Well, did Frank make the calls or not? Was Waters husband on the banks board or not? You know, Judicial Watch is a right wing blah blah blah, but at least they did a FOIA request on TARP.
‘content from a blatently political source’
Whatever. I post stuff from all over the political/media spectrum. How often do you see material from NPR here? They do interesting interviews, but I don’t recall them digging into DC corruption regarding the housing bubble.
I’ve long believed that left-right, liberal-conservative are false constructs the PTB use to keep us divided. Buy into that if you want.
It’s like Pro Wrestling.
Everyone talking trash about their opponent, to get their fans worked up into a lather.
But they all wear pretty much the same Spandex under the sequins and capes.
Oh, Frank and Waters made those calls, and yes they are corrupt, most likely. They’ve been in DC far too long not to be. But my post was to clarify that Geithner was likely not involved, and to clarify the bias of your souce for those who may not already know, so that they may not get the impression that Democrats are the only ones in bed with the banks (as is the implication). How is this a bad thing? PBS NewsHour states an expert’s affiliations all the time.
I do not, however, buy into the idea that the political divide is some false construct of the PTB, as if there were a smoky room somewhere full off Illuminati dictating long-range politics for the rest of us. Nah. There are fundamental differences between the two types. I guess one is bottom-up and the other is top-down.
‘Democrats are the only ones in bed with the banks (as is the implication)’
Anyone who has read this blog for long won’t reach that conclusion based on what I post. I have been pointing out Republican shenanigans since 2005. Go back to the original HBB blog and see for yourself.
‘as if there were a smoky room somewhere full off Illuminati dictating long-range politics’
I didn’t say that, and it isn’t necessary for a group to plan such things. This sort of deception has gone on forever. But I ask you, what is your definition of liberal? What is the next guys definition? How do we end up with ‘conservative’, ‘individual liberty’ Republicans running historic deficits and passing patriot acts? Why did the ‘opposition’ Democrats go along with these things, if they stand for something different?
‘fundamental differences between the two types…one is bottom-up and the other is top-down’
Might as well call it that as anything; makes about as much sense.
‘fundamental differences between the two types…one is bottom-up and the other is top-down’
One is a snuffaluffagus and the other is a really big bird.
“I’ve long believed that left-right, liberal-conservative are false constructs the PTB use to keep us divided. Buy into that if you want.”
Amen. And apparently, there are plenty of HBB posters who buy into this malarkey hook, line and sinker.
> ‘individual liberty’ Republicans running historic deficits
“formerly” historic. They are piddling compared to the current run.
Damn Ben, you scared the hell out of me. That name of that guy in the first sentence is a variation of my name. I thought this was going to be like the Never Ending Story where as I keep reading I find myself in the story. Except that instead of meeting cool new friends with racing snails I was going to be slowly killed by an alligator of a house and find myself living in a kennel.
Houses selling above appraisal, after mere days on the market, in Falls Church, Virginia.
No surprise here! At the epicenter of the only employment sector primed to take off during the Obama administration.
This squares with what a half-of-the-year resident of DC just told me. And she was one of the smart ones who’s interviewed Dean Baker and Ivy Zelman (she’s a journalist), heeded their advice, and sold her house in 2005.
“The trouble is that accounting trick was not illegal under existing law, but Washington policymakers should make sure it is a crime going forward, so we don’t have a repeat of the skullduggery that nearly triggered another Great Depression. Willie Sutton spent most of his adult life behind bars for his crime spree. His take for all those robberies came to only about $2 million. That’s chump change these days on Wall Street.”
“Lehman Brothers’ CEO Richard Fuld collected $300 million in pay and bonuses over the past eight years, presiding over the largest bankruptcy in American history. And he was by no means alone, raking in the loot. That’s the real shame, if not a crime, if you ask me.”
Yeah — it’s a shame, but not a crime.
Crimes are for controlling the little people; Wall Street CEOs have attorneys working 24/7 to make sure they are not culpable for any sort of stealthy, systemic theft schemes they undertake.
“… so we don’t have a repeat of the skullduggery that nearly triggered another Great Depression.”
Good luck with that. The only thing people learn from history is that people don’t learn from history. Give it a couple of generations and you’ll see a rhyme of today’s happenings.
People are smart.
Oh, and cash is king.
“Now we have million-dollar homes sitting vacant on ridges all around Western North Carolina, empty views that hardly anyone can afford since the mumbo-jumbo of jumbo mortgages went away.”
One of the biggest reasons I lost the election for county commissioner was because I predicted the same thing as a large part of my platform. Of course, the realwhores said that I was full of shit and that I didn’t know what I was talking about, and worked their butts off to make sure I was defeated. I’m not usually one to say “I told you so,” but I’m going to say it anyway, I TOLD YOU SO!