April 7, 2010

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-07 22:46:41

There is something downright detestable about this blame game exercise, especially when you realize it amounts to no more than political Grand Kabuki Dance intended to defuse impetus for substantial financial reform.

You all should anticipate plenty of more financial meltdowns, bailouts and political blame games going forward in the coming decades, as it is becoming increasingly apparent that after the end of this poor excuse for entertainment, nothing will change going forward.

Greenspan reflects on crisis, deflects blame

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, April 8, 2010

Police in the Rayburn House Office Building had been planning an evacuation drill for Wednesday morning, but they called it off after realizing that it would interrupt Alan Greenspan’s testimony to the commission investigating the financial meltdown.

The cops needn’t have worried about involving the former Fed chairman in the evacuation: Greenspan is a master of escape — particularly escaping blame.

As Fed chairman, he reassured policymakers that everything was fine as he presided over the housing bubble that led the world economy off a cliff. Now we know that everything wasn’t fine — Greenspan himself called the financial crisis “the most severe in history” — and the 84-year-old wise man is claiming he knew it all along.

“I warned of the consequences of this situation in testimony before the Senate banking committee in 2004,” he informed the commissioners Wednesday. “In 2002 I expressed concern . . . that our extraordinary housing boom, financed by very large increases in mortgage debt, cannot continue indefinitely.”

While finding himself blameless, he assigned fault to, among others, Congress, the Bush and Clinton administrations, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the Europeans, other regulators, and one of his Fed colleagues. They all contributed to what Greenspan, in his testimony, called “the most prominent global bubble in generations.”
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It was, as the commission chairman, Phil Angelides, suggested, an elaborate case of “rewriting or forgetting history.” In fact, the Maestro spent a good bit of time fiddling while the bubble inflated. Here’s what he had to say to Congress’s Joint Economic Committee in June 2005:

“A bubble in home prices for the nation as a whole does not appear likely.”

“Home price declines . . . were they to occur, likely would not have substantial macroeconomic implications.”

“Nationwide banking and widespread securitization of mortgages make it less likely that financial intermediation would be impaired.”

When the collapse finally came, Greenspan acknowledged “a flaw” in his philosophy that unfettered free markets are best and regulations don’t work. But now that the economy has stabilized — thanks to government interventions that conservatives deride as socialism — he’s decided he had it right after all. Though acknowledging that the banking system had been undercapitalized for half a century, Greenspan shook his head to indicate “no” when asked whether there should now be higher capital requirements.

Angelides pointed out the multiple warnings that Greenspan received, going back to 1999, about the need to crack down on predatory lending practices and subprime mortgages. He noted that Greenspan’s regulatory responses “covered just 1 percent of the market,” and he recalled Greenspan’s resistance to regulating subprime lending by non-bank subsidiaries. “Would you put this under the category of ‘Oops, should have done it?’ ” the chairman asked.

Comment by ACH
2010-04-08 05:20:33

Here is the “flip side” to that if I may. I found this on the cspan site.

“Citigroup executives: “we warned about mortgage risk”
Wednesday

Former CitiMortgage Senior Vice President Richard Bowen testified earlier today on Capitol Hill that he warned former Citi CEO Robert Rubin about risky mortgages which were a cause of the financial crisis. He was one of several former Citigroup officials that testified before the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission on their former company’s past mortgage lending practices. This was the first of the three hearings the 10-member Congressionally-mandated commission is holding this week. ”

I couldn’t watch this. The entire 25 minutes that I did get through made me want to “urp” up my breakfast.

This video - it is on cspan.org - shows in stark relief what the cover up is actually about. These guys are the risk management people at various levels in Citigroup. They are getting yelled at, but I could not find any drill down into the primary issues, motivations, uh-oh moments, etc.

It was an inverse of the Iran Contra Hearings at least as far as I could tell. In the Iran Contra Hearings the case was built question by question, point by point, lie by lie, stupidity by stupidity, until a clear picture emerged. These hearings on risk management are a pandering joke.

Getting yelled at is NOT getting to the truth and distilled essence of the matter. It is another method of ignoring what happened and covering up while making everyone think you are doing your job in finding out.

I’m calling BS. I have to get a boat to get through that stuff.

Roidy

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-04-08 05:30:05

When the collapse finally came, Greenspan acknowledged “a flaw” in his philosophy that unfettered free markets are best and regulations don’t work. But now that the economy has stabilized — thanks to government interventions that conservatives deride as socialism — he’s decided he had it right after all.

Things got a little too Rand-y, eh Alan? Gee, it sounded so good in her romance novels. Fiction’s like that.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-04-08 05:51:40

Rand was many things, most of them at least borderline evil. But I don’t think that she would have been in favor of the “Heads I win, tails the taxpayer loses,” policy that we’ve ended up with.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-04-08 06:18:41

I agree. She was the one who thought unfettered markets begat free markets, and that regulations were just a means for us lilliputians to hold down the titans, who, if we’d just turn them loose, would make the world such a better place.

However, as Greenspan discovered too late, there’s a flaw in that philosophy, in that it’s a total crock of romanticized idealized bull $h!t. But, some people really like romance novels…and can even mistake them for philosophy.

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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-04-08 06:54:03

Regardless, that philosophy has certainly not been tested at any time in recent memory. Regulations at all levels of government have grown steadily throughout the past 30 years, aside from the tiny number of repealed ones that get all the fanfare.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-04-08 09:00:15

You would of thought that Ayn Rand would of noticed that
unregulated Capitalism always produces monopolies and eventual price fixing ,just look at the rail road wars . In order for Rands
Capitalism to work people would have to be highly moral and not prone to dirty tricks to eliminate their competition ,but only eliminate it by coming up with a better product . Rands capitalism doesn’t work when you have entities gaining favorable advantage by bribing Politicians for favorable treatment creating rigged systems either . So, highly regulated Capitalism seems to be necessary . Consumer protection seems to be necessary also because the Industrialists and Market Makers would be prone to cheating the consumer with inferior products.
I guess Rand didn’t understand human nature and I can’t believe Greenspan could think that Investment firms would regulated themselves .
The Lenders/Investment Firms/Insurance Companies/ wanted more ways to make money and de-regulation simply
created Ponzi schemes and highly leveraged high risk taking ,while securities themselves were misrepresented . Whenever you have a form of fraud in the equation of business you get these consequences . Greenspans point about the excess money supply is a valid one in my opinion ,but why didn’t he do something about it ,and why didn’t he raise the interest rate 5 points over night to stop the heated up market that way ? In Rands World the market would set interest rates anyway and in Rands World you wouldn’t have parasite insurance companies with price fixing monopolies .

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-04-08 09:54:21

Rand’s version of capitalism fails, ironically, for the same reasons pure communism fail: both assume that people are moral creatures that will do what is in the best interest of society. The reality is that many people would sell their own mothers into slavery to make a quick buck. Giving more power to such people, either via a lack of regulation and laws or via installation into positions of control in government is a sure path to expensive failure.

 
Comment by ACH
2010-04-08 10:14:29

“Rand didn’t understand human nature”

That is what the central problem is. Ayn Rand is an academic faux elitist. She thinks that human beings are economic, pluggable units which is a capitalist AND a communist attitude. What she never saw in herself is the socialism/communism that she so stridently refuted.

I read her books and stories. Interesting, but I certainly wouldn’t develop a philosophy of life around them any more than I would develop a philosophy of like around Star Wars.

It seems that the sillier and simplistic the ideal - Capitalism, Communism, etc. - the more strident the adherents. Thus one gets war, murder, slavery, and misery in the name of humanity.

Me? I like things that work. True Believers make me nervous.

Roidy

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-04-08 10:50:17

I’ll be moral when I’m rich.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-04-08 10:51:51

We’re (mostly) all still 3 year olds - mine, mine,mine!

 
 
 
Comment by james
2010-04-08 09:34:46

How is this a free market when the Fed is the ultimate manipulator?

Greenspan and the rest of the Fed got to play god for a while.

They probably thought they were god too.

Anyhow, not arguing against regulation here either. Anytime we face long term issues over short term profits we are probably going to need to regulate.

And I don’t think the Fed should be a regulator. F them.

 
Comment by packman
2010-04-08 11:36:12

Chuckling at this whole discussion.

Rather that go through the whole stupid discussion again, I’ll just leave it at this:

In a free market economy, interest rates reflect risk, they don’t cause risk. This is why Alan Greenspan is/was very much not “Rand-ian”, at least when it counted.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-04-08 14:17:58

Wouldn’t it be oh, so Randian if one lone man, uglier than sin, were to work his way to the top of the Fed, becoming the most powerful banker in the history of the world, and once there, ‘free the money’ with low interest rates, and ‘free the markets’ with minimal oversight, all so the Titans of our day could build great things, unimagined and unimaginable by us little people, but from which we’d benefit greatly.

You know it would be- you’ve read her romance novels. Except he wouldn’t be uglier than sin, he’d be movie star good-looking. Makes a better story. And those appealing for higher interest rates to slow the growth, and more regulation to minimize the corruption, would be portrayed as the ugly little resentful parasites who get in the way of all great endeavors. I’ve read her books too.

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Comment by packman
2010-04-08 14:37:15

Any world with a Fed is not Randian.

As is any world with fiat money.

If you’ve read her novels you should know this.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-04-08 15:17:26

A great man works within the constructs and confines of the world he finds himself in. Atlas, I mean Alan, loosened the lilliputians’ leashes on the Titans as much as he could.

You’d think Greenspan would have a pretty good knowledge of Rand’s philosophy, given that he was her early boyfriend and follower, and lifelong proponent and friend. The guy made pillow talk with her, for cripe’s sake. Yet you cast him out of her universe, since you apparently have a better understanding of her philosophy than he does.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 07:56:22

Methinks the beknighted former Fed chairman underestimates the pernicious effect of too much discretion on the ability of free markets to function properly.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 07:57:40

Likewise for his disciples…

Comment by dude
2010-04-08 16:22:23

Hear, hear!

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Comment by neuromance
2010-04-08 18:37:45

The executives who engineered this debacle made out like bandits. They make the Gambino crime family look like pikers. Really, what is the difference between the Mafia and these financial companies? Both are businesses, right? Except the Mafia could only dream of extracting the wealth that MegaBank was able to extract from society.

These hearings are just kabuki. The execs knew what was making them money, they knew what was padding their pockets, and they paid off the politicians sufficiently so that they looked the other way. Naysayers were almost certainly demoted or fired.

And many, many people knew what was going on. The Economist magazine had a cover story on the global credit bubble back in 04 or 05. I hope to get an electronic link at some point.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-07 23:22:08

The Financial Times
Greenspan mauled over role in meltdown
By James Politi and Alan Rappeport in Washington
Published: April 7 2010 14:03 | Last updated: April 7 2010 21:05

Alan Greenspan, once lauded as maestro of the financial system, was on Wednesday subjected to a rare public mauling on Capitol Hill, accused of causing or at least failing to prevent economic meltdown.

Phil Angelides, the former California state treasurer who leads the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, asked the former chairman of the Federal Reserve if the Bank’s failure to curb subprime lending as the housing bubble unfolded fell into the category of “oops”.

“My view is, you could have, you should have and you didn’t,” Mr Angelides said.

Mr Greenspan, 84, led the Fed between 1987 and 2006 and has been criticised for helping foster the conditions that led to the collapse of US mortgage markets and, ultimately, the global financial crisis two years after his departure.

Although Mr Greenspan admitted he had made mistakes, his tone was combative. “In the business I was in, I was right 70 per cent of the time, but I was wrong 30 per cent of the time”, he said. “What we tried to do was the best we could with the data that we had.”

In response to a question from Peter Wallison, a commissioner, Mr Greenspan said it was likely that Congress would have blocked any attempt by the Fed to rein in the subprime mortgage industry, since it was bolstering home ownership across the country. He said lawmakers were now suffering from “amnesia” about their stance on the issue.

If the Fed as a regulator had tried to thwart what everyone perceived as . . . an unmitigated good, then Congress would have clamped down on us,” Mr Greenspan said. “[If] we had said we’re running into a bubble and we need to retrench, the Congress would say: ‘We haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.’ 

Comment by ACH
2010-04-08 05:25:55

I’m calling BS on these hearings. They are a joke. I’ve seen this before. Getting yelled at is another way to cover up the truth. These hearings are a fiasco. There is no methodical, detailed event by even questioning.

This is another method of covering up the Gov’ts. WS, and Mr. Magoo’s exposed backsides.

I’m still calling BS.

Roidy

Comment by ACH
2010-04-08 05:27:06

“detailed event by even questioning. ” = “detailed event by event questioning. ”

Roidy
P.S. Did I mention that I’m calling BS on all of this?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 06:38:29

“Getting yelled at is another way to cover up the truth.”

Grand Kabuki Dance to mollify the sheeple…

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-04-08 07:24:46

Getting yelled at resonates with the peeps. My coworkers are mortified of “getting yelled at” - which is hilarious because they are referring to a mild reprimand - or even a mere professional criticism.

Servicing that American Dream has many people quaking in their boots every single day. I’m sure many of you have examples too. It’s a joke, isn’t it?

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Comment by In Montana
2010-04-08 09:02:42

‘My coworkers are mortified of “getting yelled at” - which is hilarious because they are referring to a mild reprimand - or even a mere professional criticism.’

Heh. You noticed that too, eh? I used to work in a record album factory where I was seriously yelled at to work faster and not screw up.

I guess nowadays someone could sue for that.

 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-04-08 07:20:20

Cost of getting yelled at: $0.

Cost of engineering the greatest wealth xfer in human history: priceless.

Such a deal!

Comment by oxide
2010-04-08 08:57:40

And this just isn’t happening to Greenspan. Big Three Auto, that guy from BP who didn’t maintain the Alaska pipeline, baseball players…

It seems that the quality of Congressional hearings has taken a nose dive. It used to be they would really get to the bottom of something, like Watergate or Iran Contra. Now they just want to score brownie points and get on the news for the voters.

Of course the kabuki costs nothing to GM or BP or Mark McGwire. They go home to a hero’s welcome.

[btw, shouldn't McGwire be in jail for lying to Feds? Martha Stewart had to go...]

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Comment by palmetto
2010-04-08 05:35:11

Alan, don’t you have a prostate to worry about, or something?

Comment by Al
2010-04-08 08:35:14

He really should be put on a list of people who don’t get to talk to the media. Zero credibility.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-04-08 05:55:02

But what a 30%. Which gets down to the whole “black swan” thing. You can’t know exactly how or when something will fail, but what you DON’T want is to design a system so that the only failure possible is a catastrophic one.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 06:41:38

30% = high probability of black swan guano bombs due to accidental undetected bubble inflation and subsequent explosion

 
Comment by dude
2010-04-08 16:25:11

Is there anybody on this blog that wouldn’t be fired if they were wrong 30% of the time? OK, except Eddie, is there anybody?

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-04-08 09:59:48

So… the Fed “feared” Congress would “make them” lower rates if they raised them, and yet Congress can’t even audit the Fed without the Central Banksters hiding behind their veil of shadows. Right…

No, they didn’t do anything because this “new economy” of house-flipping was making everyone rich - some with real wealth and some only on paper - and did a great job hiding the destruction of the real, job-based economy in our nation.

 
Comment by james
2010-04-08 14:40:45

That last paragraph is demostratably correct. All mania’s involve the PTB looking away.

Congress could have reigned in FRE/FAN… decided not to. There wasn’t any need for these organizations to continue to persue lending when there were private entities doing the same thing.

Anyhow, looking at some historical irony of Republicans being the focal point of lose monetary policy through most of the last century.

Republicans became the loose money guys.
Democrats are the socialist party with even looser money.

Anyhow, the dream of our constitutional government seems to be comming to an end. Long live the Peoples Socialist States of America.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-07 23:24:22

The worst vice is ad-vice.

The Financial Times
Citi took outside advice on securities
By Francesco Guerrera in New York and James Politi in Washington
Published: April 7 2010 19:42 | Last updated: April 8 2010 00:41

Citigroup’s disastrous foray into complex securities before the financial crisis was partly based on the recommendation of outside consultants hired to advise the bank’s leaders, a former senior manager revealed.

In testimony on Wednesday to an inquiry into the turmoil, Thomas Maheras, a former co-head of Citi’s investment bank, lifted the lid on a move that led to more than $50bn in losses and forced the US government to bail out the company.

Mr Maheras said that, following a study by a consulting firm – said by people close to the situation to be Oliver Wyman – in 2005, Citi decided to ramp up parts of its fixed income business, including in collateralised debt obligations. Oliver Wyman did not respond to a request for comment.

“Based in part on a careful study from outside consultants hired by our senior-most management, the company decided to expand certain areas of our fixed income business that we believed at the time offered opportunities for long-term growth,” Mr Maheras told the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, which was appointed by Congress.

Citi’s decision came when it was led by chief executive Chuck Prince, a lawyer who had served as general counsel and had relatively limited capital markets experience.

Comment by ACH
2010-04-08 05:36:26

They need to do background and have “Oliver-Wyman-did-not-respond-to-a-request-for-comment.” subpoenaed, sworn in, and testifying under oath during these hearings.

This is a joke. The hearings are designed to produce nothing of substance or aid in understanding. No one will be exposed for what they are: fools who have impoverished us. Maybe the French have it right, the Wicked are Buffoons.

Now, that brings up another question” Who Are The Buffoons Here?

Roidy

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-04-08 06:31:21

Speaking of Citi, during the 20’s, they sold repackaged bad Latin American debt to unsuspecting American investors. They were under a different name back then. FDIC online- source.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 08:11:26

Have Wall Street investment banks ever served a useful purpose in the U.S. economy, or have they always primarily functioned as systemic theft operations (aka giant bloodsucking vampire squids)?

Comment by polly
2010-04-08 09:32:29

When an intermediary was necessary to find investors to purchase stocks and bonds offered by companies, the investment banks served to connect people with money to the people who had investment opportunities. Basically, they served as giant rolodexes with sales guys attached to them (see “Liar’s Poker”). At one time, they may even have served a useful purpose in letting companies know what interest rate they would have to pay to get people to buy their bonds or what price they would have to accepte to get people to buy their stock.

Now that the internet exists, the first function is not only uneeded, but it serves to keep regular folks from getting access to offerings they might want to purchase. In addition, a net based, dutch auction can take care of the second function very nicely.

As far as I can tell, they are now only needed for private placements (people who want to issue bonds or stock an not fulfill the filling requirements of the SEC) and hooking up (double entendre intended) unregulated swap partners.

In other words, if you regulated swaps and regulated a few more securities, no, they would not be needed.

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Comment by flg_az
2010-04-07 23:25:09

Still window shopping in Flag. Sticky asking prices, it’s different here I guess.

When they run out of naive 1st time buyers (isn’t it nefarious that the govt targets the most gullible, dumbest, poorest, least experienced..) what will happen?

Seems around here like all the action is in the 1st timer bracket, with diddly squat moving in the move up range- not too many takers in the more “seasoned” buyer segment.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-07 23:30:20

“…isn’t it nefarious that the govt targets the most gullible, dumbest, poorest, least experienced…”

The more likely explanation is that the most gullible, dumbest, poorest, least experienced fence sitters are most likely to succumb to the wiles of geeks bearing grifts. I doubt Uncle Sam maliciously targeted that group, though…

Comment by polly
2010-04-08 09:35:59

Back when renting was more expensive than owning, helping first time buyers wasn’t the world’s worst idea. Perhaps unwise, but not the worst thing that ever happened. When owning is cheaper than renting, no one has any business helping a young, gulible person set themselves up for financial failure.

It is mean.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-04-08 04:34:53

Gov isn’t the only entity that targets the gullible. This entire housing bubble is proof of that. Or maybe, the government targeted everybody; it’s just that it’s only the gullible that took the bait. Smart money is called that for a reason.

I think that first timers are the only ones who are able to buy because they are the only ones that can move on a month’s notice. Trade-ups need to sell first.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-04-08 05:57:55

Exactly. The “problem” with the bubble (any bubble really) is that every iteration requires a greater and greater fools. And the greater the level of foolishness, the smaller the supply of fools. Until you run out.

Comment by WHYoung
2010-04-08 06:24:08

Consumerist ponzi video spoof. Funny

http://consumerist.com/2010/04/plunder-funnel.html

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Comment by exeter
2010-04-08 04:40:04

“When they run out of naive 1st time buyers (isn’t it nefarious that the govt targets the most gullible, dumbest, poorest, least experienced..) what will happen?”

And there it is. The profile of the current potential buyer is empty pockets and tire kickers. They’re exactly what I’ve encountered lately. No money down, big plans, enticed by the lies of the housing media machine, they don’t care about the price only about the bank “approving” them (for slavery.. imagine that), the monthly payment is all that matters, completely under-represented in the entire process(and are clueless to that fact), etc etc etc.

These people are the lastest blood in the water for the housing sharks…… and fully endorsed by our own govt. as a result of big money lobbying by the REIC.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-04-08 07:08:34

“…what will happen?”

Plan B: Rent for a little while, just to see what might happen… ;-)

So, are their any rentals in the area that could sustain you for say the next 2 years?

Comment by Go East
2010-04-08 11:49:35

On that “rentals in the area” note:

I have a job offer in Phoenix or Tucson (don’t know which yet, msut plan for both) starting August 1. Where are the best areas or zips or even properties to rent (with bad credit)?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-08 12:31:26

In the Tucson area, the best zips are:

85718
85750
85737

Beware of:

85706
85713

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Comment by Lip
2010-04-08 15:59:10

Depends what you’re looking for. The eastern Phoenix metro areas are pretty nice and are less than 2 hours from Tucson when the traffic is good (which is most of the time). Try Ahwatukee, Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa and maybe a few others.

I’m sure Slims are nice as well.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-08 16:48:00

I’m a very quiet neighbor who keeps an eye on things around here. Hey, they don’t call me The Entrance to the Neighborhood Watch for nuthin’.

 
 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2010-04-08 18:04:55

When you know where you will be working, you will undoubtedly find many available rental houses in either Metro Phoenix or Tucson. Since you have no local attachments, make your life easier and live close to employment. South Phoenix and the Maryvale area are considered dangerous, but there are pockets of crime throughout PHX.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-07 23:27:24

It sure is a relief to know the Greek crisis is over.

The Financial Times
Capital flight squeezes Greek banks
By Kerin Hope in Athens
Published: April 7 2010 18:37 | Last updated: April 7 2010 18:37

Greece’s four largest banks are seeking government support to help counter a liquidity squeeze resulting from a significant flight of deposits in the first two months of the year.

George Papaconstantinou, finance minister, said on Wednesday that the banks “have asked for access to the remaining funds of the support plan” – a €28bn ($37bn, £24.5bn) government package that was put together during the 2008 global credit crunch.

The banks’ request, which came as spreads on 10-year Greek bonds remained at record levels for a second day, flagged up concerns about the growing impact of the country’s debt crisis on the financial sector.

Local savers transferred about €10bn of deposits – equal to about 4.5 per cent of the total in the banking system – out of Greece in the first two months of the year, according to the central bank.

The transfers reflected “anxiety among wealthy Greeks about keeping assets here, given the increasing uncertainty”, said an Athens-based private banker.

Many savers had chosen to move funds to their banks’ subsidiaries outside Greece, including Cyprus and Luxembourg, rather than switch to foreign institutions. Others had transferred funds to local subsidiaries of foreign banks, the banker added.

“We would expect these funds to return swiftly once the crisis is resolved,” he said.

Several bankers dismissed rumours of savers withdrawing large-denomination notes such as €200 and €500 to put in safe-deposit boxes or hold in cash as “mattress money”.

Greece’s four biggest lenders – National Bank of Greece, EFG Eurobank, Alpha Bank and Piraeus Bank – have asked for access to about €14bn in loan guarantees and €3bn of special bonds that could be used as collateral to borrow from the European Central Bank.

Because of high fees and administrative hurdles to disbursement, the funds had been left untapped while Greek banks were still able to raise money on international markets, one banker said.

Greek banks have increased their dependence on the ECB for funding after losing access to the international “repo” and wholesale markets because Greek sovereign bonds are seen as too risky to be accepted as collateral.

“The market has closed to Greek borrowers, even for very short-term ‘repos’ of a couple of weeks,” said a senior Greek banker.

EDITOR’S CHOICE
Short View: Greek contagion - Apr-07
Lex: Greece - Apr-07
Comment: Why rescue isn’t going to plan - Apr-07
Europe urged to focus on real economy - Apr-07
In depth: Greek debt crisis - Mar-28
Eurozone recovery stalled at end of last year - Apr-07

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 06:44:57

Why is Wall Street so worried about the Greek crisis? Don’t those bovine brained bulls realize the Greek crisis is contained?

Indications

April 8, 2010, 9:26 a.m. EDT

Stock futures slip as worries over Greece continue
Same-store sales in focus; UAL, US Airways reportedly consider merger

By Simon Kennedy & Kate Gibson, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stock futures on Thursday pointed to another session of losses, with Greece’s increasingly desperate finances in the fore as China appears ready to boost the yuan’s value, retailers report growing same-store sales and airlines talk mergers.

Comment by measton
2010-04-08 07:27:39

Don’t worry PB by the end of the day they won’t be worried anymore

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 12:14:29

Good call. I guess the Greek crisis is once again contained? DJIA = 11K is on the way.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 13:38:29

Money talks; BS walks.

News Analysis
Looming Over Greece: The Specter of Bankruptcy
By LANDON THOMAS Jr.
Published: April 8, 2010

LONDON — As interest rates on Greek debt spiraled upward again Thursday, the question facing Europe was no longer whether Athens has the political will to cut spending and raise taxes to curb its gaping budget deficit, but whether Greece will run out of money before it gets the chance to do so.

With the rate on 10-year Greek bonds reaching as high as 7.5 percent, up from 6.5 just three days ago, and the cost of insuring against a Greek default hitting a record high, the message from the market could not be clearer: Artfully worded communiqués from Brussels will no longer suffice.

To avoid bankruptcy, analysts said, Greece needs a bailout from Europe, and fast.

“This is no longer about liquidity — it’s a solvency issue,” said Stephen Jen, a former economist at the International Monetary Fund who is now a strategist at BlueGold Capital Management in London.

 
 
Comment by cougar91
2010-04-07 23:32:04

It’s 2:25pm here in E. Asia… where da peeps at? Wake up folks.

It’s disheartening to see what is going on with RE prices where.. INSANITY. Various regions gov’t have encouraged massive manipulation of prices using a combo of low interest rates, jaw-boning banks into easy lending and giving outright special treatment to large private financial entities to encourage them into loading up on RE, thus driving ordinary folks who aren’t in the game out of the market. This is much worse than what the Fed and GSEs back in the US did during much of the housing bubble, at least they weren’t as obvious about creating a bubble. Here it seems that is the official policy. We all have seen this song and dance before and when the music stops a lot of people will be left holding the bag. It’s like people don’t learn…. shocking I tell ya.

Comment by oxide
2010-04-08 04:40:44

Good afternoon! Are you in China? I have no idea how that will play out with that type of government. For all we know, they could just declare national BK forgiveness and wipe it away. Or worse yet, just pay everyone in the American bond debt that it owed to them…

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-04-08 07:27:34

I have no idea how that will play out with that type of government. For all we know, they could just declare national BK forgiveness and wipe it away. Or worse yet, just pay everyone in the American bond debt that it owed to them…

Yes. And none of us know how something that isn’t sustainable will play out but I’m beginning to think it won’t be the end of the world. Let’s say a lot of this “debt” is funny money that will never be paid back. So what happens? Different things for different countries depending how they played the system?

Let’s say China knew that it might NEVER be paid back by the USA. Would China still have lent us the money. Maybe because look at what China got out the deal already. They developed their country bringing millions out of poverty and building an industrial base.

Currencies and bad debt collapse and life goes on. Brazil’s currency’s collapsed 3 times since 87 and Brazil is on the rise. Did Iceland sink into the sea yet? Will Greeks starve? I doubt it.

What did the USA get out of the deal. Well not nearly as much as China but still we got something. We have a lot of stuff and we have a lot of houses. Too many houses NOW but if we take care of all these houses, they will be needed in 10-20 years and houses are important too. Brazil is way under-housed and is having to invest billions in it the next decade. So we did get something already.

I do foresee a lower standard of living in the USA going forward but no Mad Max. We are the richest country in the world in many things and not just in dollars.

I think there could be another wrenching downturn that will force the government to address wealth inequalities and economic structural deficiencies as they did during the Depression. We’ve seen this play before. The bailouts were just to delay that day. But there won’t be mass killings, starvation and oppression at the same time banks, wall street and corporations stay as rich and powerful as they are.

It just has never played out that way in America.

Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 08:10:49

I do foresee a lower standard of living in the USA going forward ??

A lower standard off of a unrealistic standard that was set over the last 10 years….

Consumption….

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-04-08 08:47:38

Not sure where you are, but answer this if possible…who owns the land the RE sits on?

(Hwy notes this is little noted when comparing China to the US of A) ;-)

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-04-08 00:29:16

This article highlights a looming societal problem.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/finance/20100407/BUSINESS-US-USA-ECONOMY-LABOR/

“Young adults in the United States are being squeezed out of the labor force as older workers either delay retirement or seek jobs to rebuild nest eggs destroyed by the recession, a study showed on Wednesday.”

“With such little financial security, young workers have less freedom to wait out a downturn and so they frequently take whatever job is available, even if it pays less than a job that matches their skill level”

“This is a serious drain on labor market potential — lower earnings, lower output, lower productivity, and the displacement of less-educated workers. ”

What do we do with all of the boomers that can’t retire? Where are the entry level jobs for all of our high school and college graduates? We need our young people to be able to stand on their own two feet. If we have no pensions for our older generations, they have to keep clogging up the labor force.

Comment by combotechie
2010-04-08 05:07:38

“Young adults in the United States are being squeezed out of the labor force as older workers either delay retirement or seek jobs to rebuild nest eggs destroyed by the recession…”

Ah, but herin lies a partial solution to the social security/medicare underfunding situation. Delay retirement translates into delayed drawdowns while maintaining contributions.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-04-08 07:28:02

And it’s deflationary - in part because of this the earning curve of the young ‘uns is far flatter than that of the Boomers. Add in the fact that there are fewer of them too - and the rationale behind rising house prices is even more ridiculous.

Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 08:22:55

the rationale behind rising house prices is even more ridiculous ??

Have had many conversations about this including several this week…I take the position that the chance of rising house prices (in my local) for the foreseeable future (3-5 years) is zero…I think the factors that could force prices lower are to numerous to mention and only one or two of them would be required to have that effect, so, I believe prices are headed lower…

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Comment by In Montana
2010-04-08 09:08:11

“Delay retirement translates into delayed drawdowns while maintaining contributions.”

Not really. Nowadays people retire, get on SS but still work full time. So you get Medicare, your own company health ins as a secondary. Works if you’re not highly compensated anyway.

As for the old getting out of the way of the young, sometimes an employer can’t find anyone young who will stay and learn. It’s never enough money, “this isn’t what I want to do with my life,” there’s another offer and they job hop all over. My hubby just went back part time with his old employer because in over a year they hadn’t managed to retain and train anyone to take his place.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2010-04-08 13:29:51

My hubby just went back part time with his old employer because in over a year they hadn’t managed to retain and train anyone to take his place.

I’d love to see a full root cause analysis of why at least one of the youngsters can’t or won’t do the job for the salary your hubby is willing to do it for. I bet there’s at least one reason that we’d all find interesting…but I have no way of knowing if it would be something about them, or something about your hubby.

 
Comment by dude
2010-04-08 16:54:06

She’s right about the applying for benefits as soon as possible even if you continue working. One would be foolish not to do so.
The system hypes the idea that if one waits the benefit gets larger, while not informing the proles that they can still get the higher benefit at the later age by “withdrawal of application”. It’s an ignorance tax IMHO.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 05:11:39

This happened in the early-1990s recession as well. I was unemployed at the time, and discovered that many refugees with early retirement from military industrial sector firms were my competition in the labor market.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-04-08 05:52:35

Another problem is (dang it!) although our society is experiencing an obesity epidemic, the MSM is also saying people are living longer and more youthful lives. 30 years ago you would expect a 62 year old to be in a walker or wheelchair. But many of the so-called geezers are healthier than people 20-25 years younger! There is a group that compete in the Senior Olympics.

So the young whippernappers want us boomers to eat those fries, smoke those cancer sticks, drink a six pack per day, and eat a gallon of ice cream per day I guess!

Sorry - I eat lots of veggies, drink one glass of wine per day, and otherwise have been drinking water, and eat lots of fish.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-04-08 06:23:53

and eat lots of fish

Better check your mercury levels. Unless it’s farm-raised, which is even worse. :wink:

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-04-08 07:31:05

For every BILA, there’s like 100 couch potatoes. You need to get yourself a job with one of the IBs making TV commercials that urge the latter group to “save more for retirement”.

 
Comment by rms
2010-04-08 07:37:56

Even the porn industry demands fitness unless the genre is fetish.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 07:59:45

The porn industry is in trouble, thanks to oversupply. It is hard for currently active porn stars to compete with past generations of stars whose images are freely available for download on the internet.

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Comment by polly
2010-04-08 09:52:12

Hasn’t it basically become a zero entry cost industry? Talk about competition driving profits down….

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 12:13:18

“…zero entry cost industry…”

Thats what too much (free) supply does — drives the marginal value of new production towards zero.

Same thing happens in many other live entertainment industries in the internet era (music, news media, etc.); unless you can somehow limit access to ‘free’ content, it is hard to charge for additional content.

 
Comment by rms
2010-04-08 12:37:03

“It is hard for currently active porn stars to compete with past generations of stars whose images are freely available for download on the internet.”

Nope, can’t compete. Today’s ladies sport those perfectly shaved kitties whereas yesteryear’s muff resembled a prospector’s beard.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-04-08 12:42:19

Today’s ladies sport those perfectly shaved kitties…

Rrrrrrp! Are we still on the HBB, Toto?

 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 08:27:22

otherwise have been drinking water ??

Beer is mostly water does that qualify ?? :)

 
Comment by CrackerJim
2010-04-08 08:47:10

“Sorry - I eat lots of veggies, drink one glass of wine per day, and otherwise have been drinking water, and eat lots of fish.”

Well you might not live longer, but it will sure seem like it!

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-04-08 10:08:13

My favorites are the “old f*rts” who wander around all day, complaining about not getting enough of a pension to those of us younger people who won’t be getting a pension at all (or social security, etc.)

We also have the oldsters who hang out at work since they can’t think of anything else to do…

Finally, there are my favorites: the ones who “can’t afford” to retire since they need to buy a bigger boat to store at their vacation house on the lake. Gee, I wish I had those problems!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 02:14:41

U.S. MBA Mortgage Applications Index Declined 11% Last Week

(Bloomberg) — Mortgage applications in the U.S. declined last week as the biggest jump in mortgage rates since June led to a fifth straight drop in refinancing.

The Mortgage Bankers Association’s index fell 11 percent in the week ended April 2. The Washington-based group’s refinance measure plunged 17 percent, while the purchase gauge rose 0.2 percent.

The average rate on a 30-year fixed mortgage rose to the highest level since August as the economy showed signs of strengthening. The end of a tax credit for homebuyers and rising foreclosures this year represent hurdles to a sustained recovery in housing.

Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 02:18:19

Homebuyers scramble as mortgage rates jump

WASHINGTON (AP) - The era of record-low mortgage rates is over.

The average rate on a 30-year loan has jumped from about 5 percent to more than 5.3 percent in just the past week. As mortgages get more expensive, more would-be homeowners are priced out of the market—a threat to the fragile recovery in the housing market.

And if you wanted to refinance at a super-low rate, you may have missed your chance. Mortgages under 4 percent are still available, but only for loans that reset in five or seven years, probably to higher rates.

Rates are going up because of the improving economy and the end of a government push to make mortgages cheaper.

For people putting their homes on the market this spring, rising rates may actually be a good thing. Buyers are racing to complete their purchases and lock in something decent before rates go even higher.

“We are seeing some panic among potential buyers who have not found houses yet,” said Craig Strent, co-founder of Apex Home Loans in Bethesda, Md. “They’re saying: Man, I should have found a house three weeks ago or last month when rates are lower.”

Comment by oxide
2010-04-08 04:42:25

Interest rates going up? GOOD. I’ll wait for rates to go sky-high, and lock in a lower price. :mrgreen:

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-04-08 05:45:37

One of the trucks I bought about five years ago had o % financing available. When I sat down to sign, the finance guy at the Ford dealer asked if I wanted to lower the payment. I said how do you lower a payment from 0 % ? He told me to take the rebates on the truck and finance it at 5.9 % The payment only dropped about $4.00 a month but I paid $6,500.00 less for the truck.

P.S. I paid the five year loan off in three years.

 
 
Comment by dude
2010-04-08 17:02:07

“rate on a 30-year fixed mortgage rose to the highest level since August as the economy showed signs of strengthening”

Winslow, is that you?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 02:57:00

We made an offer yesterday…

Asking - $189,900.00
Offer - $139,900.00

The seller bought it in 2007, did a revamp with plans to flip. Didn’t work so he rented it and moved to Atlanta, Ga. Has sine lost his IT job and the renter moved out 6 months ago.

Doubt he’ll take it, but that’s our first and final offer.

Comment by Muggy
2010-04-08 03:18:13

“that’s our first and final offer”

Even though we all like to salivate at the thought, making “take or leave it” offers isn’t very effective, IMHO.

Why not offer $134,900.00, and when they reject, tell them that it is a standing offer and to holler back if they change their minds. I bet in two weeks they’d come back to the table, and you’d have some wiggle room.

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-04-08 03:31:56

Question for you, Muggy…

My understanding of Real Estate law is that the “offer” portion of the contract is when an offer is made on a home for sale. [As a refresher for readers not familiar with contract law, a contract requires three components to be enforcable: offer, acceptance, and consideration]. In your example above, the offer of $134,900 constitutes the offer, and the dollar amount constitutes the consideration. With a standing offer, the seller can sit on the offer for weeks or months, and then accept it later. This creates the third portion of the contract.

How do you deal with the possibility that you may have numerous standing offers out there that may, at some point, be accepted? Do you plan on immediately withdrawing offers as soon as you get one accepted? Or is it more of a case of most sellers and real estate agents really don’t understand real estate law (or, perhaps, I don’t!)

I’m asking because I’m curious and your stragety is the next phase of the Chile’s home purchasing adventure: we’ve previously - this was years ago, mind you - made offers that expired in 24-48 hours without success. Once the knifecatcher credit expires we plan on making standing offers. But we obviously are just starting to think through how it works!

PS: Hope all is well down in Florida, and that you’re getting better…hot as heck up here in New England yesterday. If it is going to be that hot in April I might as well live somewhere where it doesn’t snow for four months straight!

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 03:46:36

I think this is one reason why they invented real estate attorneys. Pay a couple hundred to see how it’s done according to the laws which are in effect wherever you live and/or are buying..

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Comment by exeter
2010-04-08 04:45:59

BC….

Offers with an expiration is a great idea. The sellers knowingly are holding onto a melting ice cube in that scenario. Eat the ice cube or have nothing.

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Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 08:41:42

Just put in the offer within 24 hours…The seller will call later if they are ready to accept or counter it…The important part is to put it in front of them so they know you are there…

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-04-08 06:02:47

Why have a standing offer? Why not just call back a month later and resubmit the same offer? Once you decide that you’re not picky enough that you have to have THAT house, I see no reason for a standing offer when a repeated offer will do.

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Comment by Kim
2010-04-08 06:59:20

Repeating an offer after only a month shows too much interest IMO. Give it a little longer, or make only one offer and tell them to call if they ever reconsider - but say that in the meantime you’re going to keep looking.

It helps if the seller has your contact information. Realtors might prefer to keep that to themselves, and the seller may switch agents and not have access to your info. I’m not recommending skirting whatever agreement exists between the seller and their agent. However, eventually the listing contracts expire, and after a specified amount of time, the seller should be free to try and reignite old leads.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2010-04-08 06:20:00

Chile, I am speaking loosely and not to the letter of the law. The way it worked on the house we have pending, is like this:

Us: $210
Them: counter $220
Us: counter $215
Them: reject
Us: call us back when you’re ready for $215
Them: no thanks, we have ‘a lot of interest’
Us: o.k.
Them: we’re ready for $215
Us: write up new contract at $215
Them: sign
Us & them (as of today): waiting for bank approval

Technically our first contract is/was dead. The ’standing offer’ was simply a verbal over the phone from our realtor to their realtor.

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Comment by dude
2010-04-08 17:06:49

Our similar experience:

Them 330
Us 275
Them 329
Us 298
Them 329
Us Take a hike
(three weeks later)
Them OK, 298

That doesn’t include the sellers agent trying to get the escrow cancelled so she could pass along the deal to one of her own, or us forcing the bank to close.

 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-04-08 07:11:10

Muggy said, “tell them it’s a standing offer.” This is not binding, but a way of keeping the lines of communication open in a friendly way. I like it, and think it makes the sellers more likely to come back later.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 04:12:12

We will just move on, three other houses we’ve been looking at went into foreclosure this week.

Comment by dude
2010-04-08 17:08:20

Eye of the tiger baby!

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Comment by shelby
2010-04-08 07:49:22

Good Lowballing - we’ve been doing the same here in NoVA

Only 1 problem - when the Sellers refuse our lowball, they next (higher) offer they get they jump on..even if it’s only 10K more than our offer

So far, we have “helped” 2 Purchasers buy homes we initially put offers in on..

Anyone have a better stratagy?

Comment by flg_az
2010-04-08 08:02:24

Change timing. Wait a little longer after the home is on the market. Let someone else shock and anger them. Then ‘come to the rescue … ‘

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 08:13:41

just submit a straw man low-ball offer.. when that one is rejected submit your real offer at $10K more..

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 08:28:33

My sister fell for the “flip side” of that scam. A flipper bought a home for $250K, did nothing to it, then offered it a few months later for $295K. Sis and hubby were interested, but backed down because they thought the home was “too expensive.” Mr Flipper dropped the asking price to $290K and sold it to them (back in Dec 2006).

So far as I am aware, my sis and hubby still own two homes, one of which is vacant (they were supposed to sell the one they previously owned back in Su 2007 and move into the new flip home).

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 08:55:58

well.. good luck to them and everyone else who bought at the peak.
Speaking of which peak, we’re not that far from it. To say nothing of risking the jump at this time, just standing near the edge gives me the willies..

 
Comment by dude
2010-04-08 17:10:21

So true Joey, I slept much better as a squatter.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 08:43:42

Excellent point flg_az….

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Comment by Muggy
2010-04-08 08:19:35

“Anyone have a better stratagy?”

Sure, decide what you want to pay, and make your first offer 10-15% off that. If that is anywhere in the range of insultiung the seller, they have listed way too high and you’re wasting your time.

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-04-08 08:22:02

Have a buddy put in a low low low ball offer.

The put in your real low ball offer two weeks later.

Comment by Al
2010-04-08 08:55:33

You don’t have to stick to this timing either. Lower offers after yours is already made can have the same effect. ie. I offer $110K for wmbz’s potential house. Makes his $139K look pretty good.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 09:04:16

i wonder if there’s some accessible record of offers that were refused… probably not.. can’t think of anyone who has reason to bother with it.. The seller’s agent(s) might remember.. might not.
Too bad.. that could be some useful information..

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 03:02:37

Jack Diamond’s architectural firm closing; once Jacksonville’s ‘Mr. Downtown’

The curtain is falling on the Jacksonville architectural firm headed by Jack Diamond, a civic leader known as “Mr. Downtown” for his support of revitalizing the city’s core and designing its skyline.

Diamond, 65, said Wednesday that Rink Design Partnership Inc. faces severe financial problems. He said signing up new projects in the coming months would reverse the firm’s fortunes, but fellow partners do not want to borrow more money to keep the firm going until there is a turnaround.

“This is the worst stress that I’ve been through in 40 years in Jacksonville and 30 years as a leader of various organizations,” Diamond said.

Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 08:48:54

These business failures with good companies are happening everywhere…Company’s that have successfully been in business for many centuries…It just tells you how deep a hole this country is in…The private sector is on life support…We have a long, ugly slog coming I fear…

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 03:04:59

Older workers taking jobs from young adults
1 in 4 unemployed Americans is under the age of 25, study shows.
MSNBC

WASHINGTON - Young adults in the United States are being squeezed out of the labor force as older workers either delay retirement or seek jobs to rebuild nest eggs destroyed by the recession, a study showed on Wednesday.

The size of the labor force fell 6.3 percent for young workers, but increased 8.5 percent for workers 55 years and older between December 2007 and January 2010, according to the study by the Washington-based Economic Policy Institute (EPI).

“This is a troubling development; young adults are less prepared to deal with unemployment than other age groups. Without significant prior full-time work experience, many may not qualify for unemployment insurance, or the social safety net,” the EPI said.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-04-08 05:53:07

“This is a troubling development; young adults are less prepared to deal with unemployment than other age groups. Without significant prior full-time work experience, many may not qualify for unemployment insurance, or the social safety net,” the EPI said.

They can always move back in with mom and dad. We oldsters don’t have that option.

Comment by Kim
2010-04-08 07:04:21

“They can always move back in with mom and dad. We oldsters don’t have that option.”

That was my thought too. With the ability to live cheaply (i.e. living with mom and dad), the younger workers don’t require as high a salary, which will permit them to undercut the older workers. Racing to the bottom isn’t a pretty scenario, but its how the market will eventually correct this imbalance.

 
Comment by Muggy
2010-04-08 08:21:54

“We oldsters don’t have that option.”

Sure you do. My 59 y.o.FIL moved in with gramps during a divorce. He hasn’t moved out yet. He put gramps in an assisted living facility because he needs ‘professional care’ AKA someone else needs to do his laundry.

Nice guy.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-04-08 05:54:28

But there are fewer of young adults in 2010 than there were in 1980. Those of us boomers who did not have kids cannot say mea culpa.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-08 12:39:46

And, speaking as one of those boomers who never had kids, there are many more of us around than there were in 1980. The percentage of childless (or, if you prefer, childfree) adults has been steadily climbing in the U.S. and other advanced industrial nations.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 03:10:12

This could get interesting…

Five more states join in health reform lawsuit.
South Florida Business Journal

Five more states will join a federal lawsuit, led by Florida, challenging the newly passed health care reform law.

Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum announced that Indiana, North Dakota, Mississippi, Nevada and Arizona are adding their names to the list of plaintiffs that filed the case on March 23 in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Florida.

The suit alleges that the new law infringes on the constitutional rights of Americans by mandating they have health care coverage or pay a tax penalty.

The bill requires individuals to obtain insurance coverage, and businesses that employ more than 50 workers would have to provide coverage or pay a $2,000-a-worker penalty if any of their employees receives government-subsidized coverage on their own.

In addition, McCollum said the bill would force states to spend billions of dollars they cannot afford.

“This burden comes at a time when Florida faces severe budget cuts to offset shortfalls in an already-strained budget,” McCollum said in a news release.

South Carolina, Nebraska, Texas, Utah, Louisiana, Alabama, Colorado, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Washington Idaho, and South Dakota had previously joined Florida’s lawsuit. A hearing is scheduled for April 14.

Comment by exeter
2010-04-08 04:50:36

Keep us posted on that pipe dream. ;)

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 04:57:45

A quick look says it’s 7 red states and 10 blue.. one, Nebraska, non-partisan.

BO and company must be thrilled..

 
Comment by oxide
2010-04-08 05:03:52

The news is full of expert that say the court case has no legal standing. But even if it does, PBS NewsHour tells me that the Supreme Court does not hear hypothetical cases; there has to be a concrete individual example. So the attorneys general need some bloke to be levied a fine first; and then they can sue. Since mandate doesn’t kick in until 2013, and the fines don’t kick in until 2014, can the they even assemble a case before 2014?

And continuing on, what if the Court rules the mandate Unconstitutional? I don’t think they can strike down the entire health care reform law, just the mandate, right? :?: (which would disppoint the teabag party). You will have some angry poor citizens whose cheap insurance was subsidized by the government, and you will have some very angry health insurance companies who just lost a million customers.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 05:10:34

Here’s what the states might do to push things along.

One can pass a law saying people will be taxed if they fail to have some sort of insurance.. any type already in existance. Someone will not have that insurance.

The state then levies a tax against that person.

The person sues and the case goes up the ladder to the SCOTUS.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-04-08 07:14:39

Huh? The same states who are suing the feds for mandated insurance will pass the same laws at the state level?

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 07:30:22

why not.. the object is to put the law to the test as soon as possible..

They won’t have any problem finding a suitable volunteer to be the guinea pig.. The legislature can make sure it gets done quickly.

I don’t know how many lower courts can be leapfrogged for the sake of speed, but if the case is structured properly, it might get real close to the supreme court in a hurry.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-04-08 08:03:22

the object is to put the law to the test as soon as possible..

1. Has there ever been a state that passed a major law it didn’t believe in just to test it in the Supreme Court?

2. Has there ever been a state that passed a major law it didn’t believe in just to test it in the Supreme Court and thereafter the Supreme Court ruled it constitutional?

If so, what became of that state law?

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 08:21:56

1. I doubt I invented the technique.

2a. No idea.
2b. Whatever the state legislature doeth, it can undoeth..

 
Comment by exeter
2010-04-08 09:01:52

So to put it plainly, your words are just complete BS.

Job well done again Joey.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 09:12:31

I didn’t mean to scare you, exeter… the idea just slipped out. Maybe nobody will see my suggestion and the future of BO’s health care reform is just as secure as it ever was.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-04-08 09:18:20

No fear here my friend. Just quiet confidence in knowing that the ideology you hold in such high regard is getting…. broken, snapped and destroyed limb by limb.

Enjoy.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 09:34:47

“Confidence is a very fragile thing.” –Joe Montana

 
Comment by exeter
2010-04-08 09:45:12

You can stop sweating. No amount of sweat will change anything.

 
Comment by basura
2010-04-08 10:11:12

Oh, it will.

Supreme court may not happen. But it’s very likely the congresscritters have plenty of time to tweak what has been passed until 2014. So, when 2014 comes, the end result may not even look like what was passed a month ago.

I am afraid though, they will throw out the good parts and keep the bad parts. Gotta keep the doctors/hospitals/insurance/pharma happy at all cost….

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 10:15:47

Much better! Total confidence. Now you’re back to your old self..
Whatever damage I did has been repaired. Carry on :)

 
Comment by polly
2010-04-08 10:26:07

The argument is that the Federal government doesn’t have the power to do this. Under Constitutional jurisprudence, that is a very different thing than saying the states don’t have that power (all that powers not granted the federl government are reserved to the states stuff). You can’t discover whether the feds can do something like this by asking whether the states can. You could if it were a 1st amendment violation or something like that, but not on this one.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 10:36:10

That did cross my mind, polly.

However, if the case is structured strictly around being taxed as a punishment for not purchasing something…?
Well, that sure don’t sound constitutional to me.. no matter if the feds or states are doing it.

 
Comment by polly
2010-04-08 10:56:37

Why? Because you don’t like it? You can’t just say it sounds wrong. The law doesn’t work like that.

Besides, if there were any chance that a state didn’t have the power, there would already be a case in progress. MA has implemented a mandatoy health insurance plan very similar to the federal one (despite Mitt’s protests), the penalties are already in place, and I’m sure there is someone in MA who doesn’t like it.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 11:28:32

That I don’t like it is beside the point. I assume both the courts and constitution would prohibit something as onerous and unjust as being taxed for NOT purchasing something..

If we can be taxed for NOT buying insurance, for instance, it must follow that we can be taxed for not buying something else… anything else they might want us to buy.

Dear citizen,
Buy 5 gallons of milk by next Monday or we will tax you $43.00.
Sincerely,
Your government

 
Comment by exeter
2010-04-08 11:54:56

Formulate a thought of your own instead of parrotting talk radio extremist rhetoric and you might elicit a reasonable response.

Try it sometime Joey. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-04-08 12:06:45

The same states who are suing the feds for mandated insurance will pass the same laws at the state level?

It’s a lot easier for a grandstanding governor to direct his AG to join a lawsuit than it is to get the legislature to do something.

The object is to get re-elected by appealing to whichever faction is greatest in your electorate.

(Assuming the AG is also hungry for reelection and dependent upon the same crowd - not the case here in lovely NV)

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 12:20:04

and while we’re on the subject..

Government is forcing me to enter a contract with some private insurance company or face a penalty, pay a fine, suffer a tax, or whatever..

I’m no contract law expert, but I’m pretty sure that one of the things required to make a contract legal and binding is that I enter it of my own free will.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 12:43:29

exeter.. If you had the.. required depth of understanding.. you’d be applauding me.

Socialists should be thrilled that the current plan will be found unconstitutional. Government will then take it to the next level and go single payer. There’s no question that will pass constitutional muster. We already do it with SSI.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-04-08 17:43:00

Clap clap. I applaud idiots and do so consistently.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-04-08 18:08:22

There must be a lot of clapping going on in places where you are the sole life form.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-04-08 19:13:27

Billy, Joey, etc …. we know it’s all the same. ;)

 
 
 
Comment by Spokaneman
2010-04-08 08:12:03

IMHO, the Attorneys General persuing this pipe dream at taxpayer expense are doing so to get face time to run for higher office. At least, I believe that to be the case with the Washington AG, Rob McKenna. I think he wants to be Gov, or maybe Senator in four years.

I think all of them know that the Supreme Court wouldn’t touch this with a 10′ pole.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-04-08 09:32:56

Well that’s what they said about the tobacco settlement, and look at how THAT turned out.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-08 12:43:48

In Arizona, the attorney general is Terry Goddard. So far, he’s the leading Democratic candidate for governor.

Our current governor, Jan Brewer, is a Republican who got the job after Janet Napolitano joined the Obama Administration. Brewer’s running into quite a thicket of Republican primary opponents. Which bodes ill for her re-election chances.

My prediction: Our next governor will be Terry Goddard.

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Comment by In Montana
2010-04-08 09:27:57

‘Sorry - I eat lots of veggies, drink one glass of wine per day, and otherwise have been drinking water, and eat lots of fish.’

Exactly. Only that one part will be struck down, and the rest left standing. Therefore the only way the insurance companies could keep rates “low” for everyone (by dragooning the young) will be wiped out.

It’s a lose-lose.

Comment by In Montana
2010-04-08 09:29:15

Oops!That was for Bill…sort of…lol

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-04-08 05:28:17

The Amish can opt out of the mandatory health insurance by citing religious objects. I’m expecting a plethora of new, modern “Amish” sects and converts over the coming years.

Comment by WHYoung
2010-04-08 06:31:10

Wow, I can see it now… the “modern hippie” back to the land, chicken raising movement can gather under a spiritual banner!

 
Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2010-04-08 08:00:05

I know that for social security exemptions, the number of religions is limited to those which existed prior to something like 1954. No new religions!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-04-08 09:06:52

“…before 1954″…You mean a “religion” like this 15 year old started qualifies?: ;-)

“Joseph Smith, Jr. (December 23, 1805 – June 27, 1844) was the founder and prophet of the Latter Day Saint movement. In the late 1820s, Smith announced that an angel had given him a set of golden plates engraved with a chronicle of ancient American peoples, which he had a unique gift to translate.”

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Comment by Bad Chile
2010-04-08 09:35:37

The story is good as written, but much better if you include the name of the angel.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-04-08 12:15:51

You mean a “religion” like this 15 year old started qualifies?

Damn, I miss Oly…

 
Comment by oxide
2010-04-08 13:00:56

Wasn’t it Moroni? I used to know a Mormon. I asked him where the golden plates were now. Apparently “God took the plates back.” (to take them to the We-Buy-Gold kiosk in the mall, I guess.) Convenient…

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-04-08 08:59:48

Amish

Calling Hwy50…

yoooo-hoooo….

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-04-08 10:09:23

:-)

What do you call a Taoist/Amish wearing a tie-dyed t-shirt?

Whacked, I tells ya… Whacked, plain & simple! :-)

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Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 03:16:13

Dozens Arrested in Sweep of Alleged $178M Online Gambling Ring

NEW YORK — Bookies operating two online sports gambling rings took in nearly $178 million in bets around the country in less than three years, prosecutors charged Wednesday after arresting 38 on enterprise corruption charges.

Suspected money collectors, agents and bookies were arrested in Nevada, Louisiana, Florida, New York and Arizona after a three-year investigation led by the New York Police Department’s organized crime division.

Three New York City employees, a firefighter, sanitation worker and a highway repairman, were arrested in the sweep. Six people from Louisiana, including William Bryant III, the premium sales manager for the NBA’s New Orleans Hornets, were also arrested.

A team spokesman said that Bryant was allegedly acting on his own outside of any team functions. “We were advised by federal authorities that the alleged activities do not involve the Hornets,” he said.

Charges also included money laundering, promoting gambling and conspiracy.

Queens District Attorney Richard Brown said the suspects operated two nationwide rings using sports betting Web sites filtered through Costa Rica. They took bets on professional and college football and basketball, as well as professional baseball and hockey games.

 
Comment by Muggy
2010-04-08 03:22:23

“Nearly 17 percent of Tampa Bay homeowners haven’t paid their mortgages for at least three months.”

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/realestate/nearly-17-percent-of-tampa-homeowners-three-months-behind-on-mortgage/1085774

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 03:24:20

“The last time that [America] had no government debt, you had a Scottish president. His name was Andrew Jackson. Not only did he pay off the national debt, he also abolished the central bank and tried to close down all the commercial banks.”

- CLSA Strategist (and Scotsman) Russell Napier, March 24 CFA Society speech

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-04-08 07:17:35

Yeah, Andrew had lots of lovely ideas to benefit the ruling classes.

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=old&doc=25

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2010-04-08 03:24:26

I’ve talked to some people that I trust, and they all told me not to overreact with the FL bill and housing. I like making fast, concise, decisions, and not looking back, but there is no need for me to do that right now.

So, I won’t try to walk on the offer (yet), and I won’t freak out about my job (yet).

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-04-08 07:43:17

So, I won’t try to walk on the offer (yet), and I won’t freak out about my job (yet).

Is buying a house when your maybe 50% unsure about your job or even profession wise?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-04-08 07:47:15

“you’re”

And can you be more sure about your job at the time they accept your offer?

 
Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 08:56:31

Is buying a house when your maybe 50% unsure about your job or even profession wise ??

No….

 
Comment by Muggy
2010-04-08 10:07:19

“Is buying a house when your maybe 50% unsure about your job or even profession wise?”

House… Job… my point is that I don’t have to decide on either of those things right now, so I won’t.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 03:54:20

Black Market Cigarettes Killing Canada’s C-stores

MONTREAL, Canada — An increasing number of Canada’s convenience stores are closing because they simply can’t compete in a market rife with black-market, cut-rate cigarettes, according to the Canadian Convenience Stores Association (CCSA).

More than 2,300 corner stores — six a day, or roughly 10 percent of the total number of locations across the country — closed last year, as contraband tobacco sales siphoned off more than $2.5 billion in sales and $260 million in profits during that time, the Globe & Mail reported, citing a study released by the association this week.

“The contraband situation has been building up over the past five years, with sales taxes on legal cigarettes continuing to rise,” he said. “The industry is slowly being killed off.”

High sales tax on cigarettes continues to push cash-strapped smokers into doing business with suppliers of much cheaper black-market smokes, Gadbois added.

The CCSA estimates about 40 percent of Quebec’s cigarette sales and about half of Ontario’s are on the black market. The industry group has been urging the government to cut taxes on legal cigarettes to reduce the unfair advantage of illegal tobacco.

Convenience stores are heavily dependent on the sale of tobacco products and, in Quebec, beer and wine. About 75 percent of the 2,300 store closings last year were in Ontario and Quebec, the two principal markets for contraband cigarettes, the report said.

Comment by palmetto
2010-04-08 05:05:04

So what happens to all the immigrants who opened those stores?

“Every Parliament gives you…extra margin!”

“Tareyton: I’d rather fight than switch!”

“Winston tastes good like a cigarette should!”

“LSMFT”

“Kent with the Micronite filter!”

“I’d walk a mile for a Camel!”

Comment by Jim A.
2010-04-08 06:50:55

“I’d walk a mile for a Camel!”
–Across the frozen St Lawrence river apparantly….

 
Comment by roger
2010-04-08 10:37:36

per aspera ad astra
in hoc signo vinces

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-04-08 05:15:29

“Come to where the flavor is. Come to Marlboro Country!”

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-04-08 08:10:16

“More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette.”

This ad appeared in medical journals and mass media.

The campaign began in 1946 and ran for eight years in magazines and on the radio. source: salon

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-04-08 09:21:20

Begs the question:

“What does Wall St. smoke?”

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Comment by Spokaneman
2010-04-08 08:18:02

Several years ago, Washington residents were buying untaxed cigs off of the internet. Our AG, now Gov, Chris Gregoire, sued the internet seller in Federal Court to release their customer lists. She won, got the list and the Washington DOR sent tax and penalty bills to hundreds of scoflaws. Some of the bills were $10k plus. Ouch.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 08:59:27

Yeah…And the coming VAT and more sin taxes won’t help either…

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 03:56:12

Nearly half of US households escape fed income tax
Recession, new tax credits have nearly half of US households paying no federal income tax

WASHINGTON (AP) — Tax Day is a dreaded deadline for millions, but for nearly half of U.S. households it’s simply somebody else’s problem.

About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That’s according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.

Most people still are required to file returns by the April 15 deadline. The penalty for skipping it is limited to the amount of taxes owed, but it’s still almost always better to file: That’s the only way to get a refund of all the income taxes withheld by employers.

In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009, as long as there are two children younger than 17, according to a separate analysis by the consulting firm Deloitte Tax.

Comment by WT Economist
2010-04-08 04:06:06

They just pay the regressive payroll tax.

Lately I’ve taking a liking to the idea of keeping the income tax as it is, but replacing the payroll tax with a VAT. It would discourage consumption, reward work, and not shift the tax burden to the less well off the way replacing the income tax with a VAT would.

Comment by exeter
2010-04-08 04:54:17

That’s what happens when wages,incomes and salaries are in a free fall.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 09:03:23

You got the VAT right….Don’t hold your breath on it replacing the payroll tax…They are not looking for a parity swap…They want more revenue…
And, revenue that cannot be avoided…

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-04-08 05:31:04

“Less noticed were tax cuts for low- and middle-income families, which were expanded when Obama signed the massive economic recovery package last year.”

“The bottom 40 percent, on average, make a profit from the federal income tax, meaning they get more money in tax credits than they would otherwise owe in taxes. For those people, the government sends them a payment.”

“We have 50 percent of people who are getting something for nothing,”

I tried to point this fact out on this blog about two weeks ago and was ridiculed by some posters. We have a HUGE problem here, folks. We have obviously passed the tipping point where we can never elect a decent (sensible) government ever again. A revolution is the only way out of such a box.

Comment by measton
2010-04-08 07:34:57

I believe close to 50% of corporations also pay no tax
Top 400 wage earners in the US pay effective tax rate of 16%.

Comment by james
2010-04-08 11:26:39

I don’t get the fixation with taxing corporations.

I think you tax the stock holders on capital gains and dividends. If the money is going out of the US you could take that dispersement of funds. Tax bondholder incomes.

Otherwise I’d prefer to stay out of taxing coporations. Just makes a very complicated structure.

Still have to look at their books and make sure executives aren’t hiding income inside the company. Seperate issue.

I also think 50% of companies are on the brink anyway and not making any money.

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Comment by polly
2010-04-08 10:35:21

You do realize that voting rates are much, much lower among the poor, the people who are largely eligible for the EITC? Even if the stat is correct for the total population, it is not correct if you only count “likely voters” or actual voters.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-04-08 06:40:22

Here is the link to the article: Read it and weep, Amerika.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36226444/ns/business-personal_finance

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-04-08 07:23:53

This doesn’t bother me as it does you, wmbz. A family of four making $50K needs all of their money to survive. We save more than that for retirement every year and have plenty left over for luxuries.

Comment by drumminj
2010-04-08 11:23:06

A family of four making $50K needs all of their money to survive. We save more than that for retirement every year and have plenty left over for luxuries.

It’s not a question of “need”. It’s a question of entitlement. perhaps I live a frugal life such that I live comfortably…are these people ENTITLED to my money?

My answer? *HELL* no. I’ve worked hard to get to where I’m at. Just because someone popped out a few kids doesn’t mean they deserve my money more than I do.

Comment by Chris M
2010-04-08 13:19:50

They’re not taking your money. They’re just not paying it in taxes. And I’d say they do deserve the tax break. Raising kids is not cheap, and it is necessary if we are to continue to exist as a species. Childless ranters are incredibly short sighted. Who’s going to change your bed pan when you’re 90? Someone else’s kid! And no one making $50K is having kids for the tax breaks. That would be a losing proposition.

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Comment by neuromance
2010-04-08 18:58:14

Childless ranters are incredibly short sighted. Who’s going to change your bed pan when you’re 90?

You think kids are going to be changing bedpans when you’re 90? Right. The 90 year old is going to have hospice care or be put in a home first.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-04-09 12:30:02

I think the point was the “kids” will also be the employees for the hospice care or the home. Somebody has to work there or the service won’t exist.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Spokaneman
2010-04-08 18:06:18

Lots of low income people receive the Earned Income Credit which is a refundable credit, which means it can reduce the tax liability to a negative number which effectively offset the FICA and Medicare tax. I believe the EIC doesn’t completely phase out until $45,000 if the tax payer has four dependents. So FICA is not as regressive as it appears.

 
 
Comment by eddiamond
2010-04-08 04:06:15

There once was a nation in trouble
Where housing got caught in a bubble
They tried to prop up their prices
Against HBB’ers advices
And watched their economy crumble

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-04-08 07:25:14

Nice,ed!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 04:20:59

China Said Close to Announcing Currency Revision

HONG KONG — The Chinese government is set to announce a revision of its currency policy in the coming days that will allow greater variation in the value of its currency combined with a small but immediate jump in its value against the dollar, people with knowledge of the consensus emerging in Beijing said Thursday.

While there remains a possibility of a last-minute glitch that could delay the announcement, China’s central bank appears to have prevailed with its arguments within the Chinese leadership for a stronger but more flexible currency, these people said. They insisted on anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue in Beijing.

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-04-08 04:47:25

last-minute glitch

I read this and immediately thought of the movie “Office Space” where Milton doesn’t get fired, “we just fixed the glitch”.

Sorry for the off topic, not-imformative post, but I could see China saying something like, “well, there was a glitch in the system when we started floating our currency, so we fixed the glitch.”

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-04-08 05:33:51

Has anybody seen my stapler? It’s a swingline.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-04-08 10:17:18

Sir Greenisspent has taken it to do an emergency hem on his trousers, his LEGACY posture is beginning to shrink as he ages.

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Comment by polly
2010-04-08 10:38:26

New or old? They moved the factory to Mexico….

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Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 04:46:59

SOME PREDICTIONS For 2010.

Bob Chapman
First 6 months of 2010, Americans will continue to live in the
‘unreality’…the period between July and October is when the financial
fireworks will begin. The Fed will act unilaterally for its own survival
irrespective of any political implications …(source is from insider at FED
meetings). In the last quarter of the year we could even see Martial law,
which is more likely for the first 6 months of 2011. The FDIC will collapse
in September 2010. Commercial real estate is set to implode in 2010. Wall
Street believes there is a 100% chance of crash in bond market, especially
municipals sometime during 2010. The dollar will be devalued by the end of
2010.

Gerald Celente
Terrorist attacks and the “Crash of 2010″. 40% devaluation at first = the
greatest depression, worse than the Great Depression.

Igor Panarin
In the summer of 1998, based on classified data about the state of the U.S.
economy and society supplied to him by fellow FAPSI analysts, Panarin
forecast the probable disintegration of the USA into six parts in 2010 (at
the end of June – start of July 2010, as he specified on 10 December 2008)

Neithercorps
Have projected that the third and final stage of the economic collapse will
begin sometime in 2010. Barring some kind of financial miracle, or the
complete dissolution of the Federal Reserve, a snowballing implosion should
become visible by the end of this year. The behavior of the Fed, along with
that of the IMF seems to suggest that they are preparing for a focused
collapse, peaking within weeks or months instead of years, and the most
certain fall of the dollar.

Webbots
July and onward things get very strange. Revolution. Dollar dead by November
2010.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-04-08 07:17:56

Whoa! Sprinkle a little Denniger in that stew and things will really be cooking!

 
Comment by measton
2010-04-08 07:47:31

and how does a collapse help the FED???

 
Comment by measton
2010-04-08 07:50:53

Here let me try

What he means is Old Testament, real wrath-of-God type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky! Rivers and seas boiling!

Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria!

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 08:08:38

In the unlikely event that any number of the dire predictions offered in this post come to pass, there will never be a better time to buy a home than during the aftermath.

Comment by measton
2010-04-08 08:18:56

If everything comes to pass that way no one will have any money, all banks will be shuttered and FDIC won’t insure you. Markets will collapse. I’m guessing guns and ammo would become the new currency.

Seems far more likely that the printing press will continue to backstop the gov and FDIC.

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Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 09:07:02

Oh, to hell with it….I am going fishing…Call me when its over….

Comment by hwy59ina49dodge
2010-04-08 13:25:59

…another victim of outdoor meditation! ;-)

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Comment by Al
2010-04-08 09:08:10

Ghost Busters?

Comment by measton
2010-04-08 10:38:02

Yep

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 08:06:57

“In the last quarter of the year we could even see Martial law,
which is more likely for the first 6 months of 2011. The FDIC will collapse
in September 2010. Commercial real estate is set to implode in 2010. Wall Street believes there is a 100% chance of crash in bond market, especially municipals sometime during 2010. The dollar will be devalued by the end of 2010.”

What kind of drugs does this guy take? I plan to avoid them, whatever they are…

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-08 12:48:26

Sounds like the reasoning power of a meth addict. And meth is a drug well worth avoiding.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 04:49:38

WALL STREET JOURNAL- (2/2010)
“You are witnessing a fundamental breakdown of the American dream, a
systemic breakdown of our democracy and our capitalism, a breakdown driven
by the blind insatiable greed of Wall Street: Dysfunctional government,
insane markets, economy on the brink. Multiply that many times over and see
a world in total disarray. Ignore it now, tomorrow will be too late.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 05:16:46

That was two months ago. No worries — recovery is now on the way!

Bloomberg

Oil Rises to 17-Month High on Optimism About Economic Recovery
April 06, 2010, 4:45 PM EDT

By Mark Shenk

April 6 (Bloomberg) — Crude oil rose to a 17-month high on signals that U.S. economic growth will accelerate, bolstering fuel use in the world’s biggest energy-consuming country.

“Oil has moved higher in anticipation that demand is coming back,” said David Greely, senior energy economist at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in New York. “Positive economic news has helped push prices into the $85-to-$95 range.”

Oil climbed above $87 for the first time since October 2008 as growth in American jobs and service industries spurred anticipation that the economy is recovering from the worst recession since the 1930s. A government report tomorrow will probably show that U.S. fuel stockpiles declined.

Crude oil for May delivery rose 22 cents, or 0.3 percent, to $86.84 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, the highest settlement since Oct. 8, 2008. Futures reached $87.09, the highest intraday level since Oct. 9, 2008. Prices are up 9.4 percent this year.

Prices dropped 10 cents from the settlement after the American Petroleum Institute reported at 4:30 p.m. that U.S. crude-oil stockpiles rose 1.07 million barrels to 353 million. May oil traded at $86.74 a barrel at 4:32 p.m.

Federal Reserve officials saw signs of a strengthening recovery that could be hobbled by high unemployment and tight credit, and some warned of raising rates too soon, according to minutes of their March meeting. Equities rose on speculation the Fed plans to leave its benchmark interest rate at a record low to safeguard the economic recovery.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-04-08 08:41:51

“Oil has moved higher in anticipation that demand is coming back,” :-)

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)

Here’s a picture of the Sit-U-Ation:

http://www.hipandkneespecialist.com/flat_tire_2.jpg

Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 09:08:44

:)

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-04-08 09:41:23

Sir AG could refill that in one blow.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 05:23:18

Farrell’s off his meds again.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-04-08 05:51:46

the blind insatiable greed of Wall Street…

…says the Wall Street Journal. That’s ironic enough to write into an Alanis Morrisette song.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 05:14:35

Retailers report 4th consecutive month of gains
Shoppers hand retailers big March sales gains; earlier Easter also a boom

NEW YORK (AP) — Many retailers are reporting big sales gains for March, helped by an earlier Easter and shoppers who loosened their pursestrings for spring merchandise.

As merchants report their results Thursday, warehouse-club operator Costco, Victoria’s Secret parent Limited Brands Inc. and teen retailer Zumiez posted double-digit increases that beat Wall Street expectations.

Consumers are starting to spend more. But the figures are also helped because most Easter sales came in March, and the holiday came more than a week later last year. March 2009 was also when consumer frugality resulting from the financial meltdown and recession was near its deepest.

The figures for sales at stores open at least a year are an important measure of retailers’ health.

Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 05:16:59

I spent the same amount I always spend on Easter each year…Zero.

I did see and increase in those cheap assed blow up plastic lawn bunnies this year. Go Chicoms and wal-mart!

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-08 12:50:56

Not to worry, my partying neighbors more than made up for your lack of spending. I think that their Easter party kept Budweiser/Anheuser Busch in business.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-04-08 05:24:21

“Retailers report 4th consecutive month of gains.”

This should be written as: “Retailers that are left report 4th consecutive month of gains.”

Some retailers (such as Circuit City) have gone out of business which allows surviving businesses (Best Buy) to pick up the slack.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 08:24:26

Similar story applies to the outsized 2009 Wall Street I-bank profits. A lack of competition helps surviving cartel members gain market power.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 05:21:03

All Americans should cheer the Wall Street investment banks’ success in turning the TARP cash into a veritable gold mine of opportunities to prophet while Main Street workers stood in the unemployment line.

Posted Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:48 PM
Why Investment Banking Revenues Are Heading Down
Matthew Philips

Investment banks may have wrecked the world economy in 2008, but they sure made money picking up the pieces. In 2009, the global investment-banking industry took in $311 billion in net revenue, a 50 percent jump from 2008 and only $17 billion off its 2007 peak. Profit margins last year were 24 percent, the highest ever. Leading the pack were the usual American suspects: Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, Citi, and Bank of America. Armed with TARP cash–essentially, free money from the Fed–and facing a cleared field thanks to the demise of Lehman Bros. and Bear Stearns, i-banks took advantage of a lack of liquidity and huge spreads in credit and fixed-income markets. Trading revenues soared as leverage remained high. Those that dialed back on risk, like Morgan Stanley, came to regret it. For the most part 2009 was easy money.

But that party is over.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 08:04:45

profit (gotta stop watching so much BYU TV)

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-04-08 13:33:53

Hey, it was just conference weekend, what else are you going to watch?

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-04-08 05:23:51

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7564748/Sovereign-debt-crisis-at-boiling-point-warns-Bank-for-International-Settlements.html

Sovereign debt crisis has reached a “boiling point” warns the BIS. But all is well - green shoots thrive when boiling water is poured on them.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 08:01:46

Boiled green shoots sounds like an excellent vegetarian dish to enjoy during this period of burgeoning economic recovery.

Comment by polly
2010-04-08 10:58:27

How can you eat an imaginary plant?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 12:09:11

You need to use your imagination to imagine how.

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Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-04-08 05:37:47

Foreclosure auction of Nicolas Cage’s mansion is a flop
LATIMES

The fate of the sprawling Tudor mansion owned by the actor, who won an Oscar for his role in “Leaving Las Vegas,” was decided Wednesday far from the baronial estate. It was up for auction Wednesday morning.

After a rapid-fire spiel by the auctioneer, the bidding was opened at $10.4 million, far less than the $35 million that Cage had tried unsuccessfully to sell the house for.

To put it mildly, the house, though impressive, was not to everyone’s taste. Real estate agent Bret Parsons, who toured it most recently in October, described the interiors as “fascinating and bizarre.”

“The design was ‘frat house bordello,’ ” Parsons said. “There must have been 300 comic book covers elaborately framed and hanging on the walls.” Model train sets on raised tracks a couple feet below the ceiling circled the inside of the breakfast room and two bedrooms.

There were also no takers in the courthouse sale, and in less than a minute the auction closed, with ownership reverting to the foreclosing lender — just one of six holding a total of $18 million in loans on the property.

The pattern of repeated borrowing against equity is familiar to Bob Baker, sales manager of County Records Research, a Huntington Beach-based company that supplies information about foreclosure properties. “This is a microcosm of what’s going on in our state,” Baker said. “We’ve seen as many as 13 loans on a house.”

When people keep borrowing, he said, it has “a snowball effect.” The final loans often are taken out to meet expenses, he said. “It’s a survival tactic.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 08:03:32

Hollywood stardom and real estate investing acumen don’t mix.

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-04-08 19:01:54

Taking financial advice from Lil’ Wayne and Nick Cage, and taking psychiatric advice from Tom Cruise. Brilliant.

Just because they are fantastic at pretending (acting), and perhaps are beautiful, doesn’t imply they are good at anything else.

 
Comment by rms
2010-04-08 20:15:31

“Model train sets on raised tracks a couple feet below the ceiling circled the inside of the breakfast room and two bedrooms.”

The rich know how to properly invest wealth; little people waste it.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-04-08 05:40:33

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGFac_uXX5NM&pos=1

New jobless claims numbers out - and they show an “unexpected” increase of 18,000 people filing for first-time unemployment benefits. Unexpected by who? The same “nobody saw it coming” economists and self-described “experts” who failed to spot the tech, credit or housing bubbles.

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-04-08 05:43:36

Number of U.S. households falls by 1.2 million

CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — The number of American households dropped by an estimated 1.2 million between 2005 and 2008, even though the population increased by 3.4 million in 80 of the largest metropolitan areas during that time, according to a new study by a professor at the University of Southern California.

More young people are living with their parents instead of moving out, postponing the creation of their own households. Meanwhile, more families are combining households for economic reasons, including the loss of a home due to foreclosure, according to Gary Painter, associate professor in the School of Policy, Planning and Development at USC.

“With such a significant drop in households nationwide, it is clear the most recent recession impacted individuals’ decisions to move out on their own and caused many Americans to join already formed households,” Painter said in a news release Wednesday.

The decline in the number of households contributed to the excess supply of apartments and single-family homes on the market.

“The housing and mortgage industries will feel the impact of this reduction in the number of households for years to come,” Painter said in the report, which was sponsored by the Mortgage Bankers Association’s Research Institute for Housing America, a trust fund that aids research on mortgage markets and real estate finance.

Also, the recession caused a five-fold increase in the rates of overcrowding, he said. A household that has more than one person per room indicates overcrowding.

While the analysis incorporates data only through 2008, Painter said the decline in household formation likely continued through 2009. “Clearly, given the depth of the downturn in 2009, and the ongoing weakness in the job market through the beginning of this year, this study gives no reason to expect that household formation has picked up at all,” he said.

Comment by combotechie
2010-04-08 06:42:06

“A household that has more than one person per room indicates overcrowding.”

Lol. What a bunch of spoiled people we Americans have become.

Comment by polly
2010-04-08 10:51:51

Did it mean more than one person per room or more than one person per bedroom? While I was growing up, our house had 6 rooms (excluding bathrooms). Three of those rooms were bedrooms. It was fine for 4 of us. But it would have been crowded for 7. About 1400 square feet - basement was unfinished and no garage.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-08 12:52:35

I was one of the few kids in my nabe who didn’t share a bedroom. My only child status was the reason.

 
Comment by Chris M
2010-04-08 13:03:21

I notice they said “per room”, not “per bedroom”. My 4 bedroom house has a total of 11 rooms. It would be tight with 12 people living there.

 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-04-08 06:03:37

Owners say their Boise home was sold without their knowledge

In 2008, Zijad’s income dropped to barely half what he made the year before. The family struggled but kept making house payments until February 2009. They owed $220,000 and were paying $1,684.78 a month.

Last April, they applied to their loan servicer, MetLife, for a loan modification. The family said MetLife offered in May to let them pay $1,052.68 a month - a 38 percent reduction - through a three-month trial period while they were considered for a permanent modification under the federal Home Affordable Mortgage Program.

The Rudans made two more full payments for March and April, with late fees. In June, they said, the payments were sent back to them. Zijad Rudan said he called MetLife to ask why. He said he was told not to be concerned because the application for modification was still being processed. MetLife told him to start paying the reduced amount, he said. So he did.

The next month, the Rudans received a notice of trustee’s sale. Alarmed, they called MetLife again. The Rudans said a representative again told them not to worry, saying the modification process was moving forward and they should throw the notice in the garbage. The family was told that their July payment had been received and that all was well.

They continued to make the required modified payments each month. As MetLife continued work on the loan-modification application, it sought more information. The Rudans faxed numerous documents, such as paycheck stubs, sometimes several times, the family said.

The couple called March 4 to check on their status. They say they were told the modification was still being processes and they should call back March 10.

On March 12, a representative of Gorilla Capital Inc. showed up at their door. The Oregon company buys homes at foreclosure sales and says it sells them for about $20,000 less than comparable houses in the market.

The Gorilla representative said he’d bought the house at a foreclosure auction at 11 a.m. that day for $111,201, just $1 more than MetLife bid on it. The home is assessed at $191,900, said the Rudans’ attorney, Richard Eppink of Idaho Legal Aid.

The Gorilla representative started eviction proceedings against the family that day, court documents say. Since then, the family has been in turmoil, trying to find help and to work through the legal process.

Gorilla CEO John Helmick said he would be delighted to see the Zudans buy back their home as some other homeowners have done with homes his company acquired. He said he would sell it to them for $149,000 - one-third less than they owed to MetLife. Gorilla said his company followed the law.

Comment by Kim
2010-04-08 07:40:46

No question this was handled badly in the extreme… HOWEVER… when life hands you lemons, make lemonade.

As far as I can tell, Idaho is non-recourse. MetLife clearly messed up big time, but the chances of them giving the family a principal reduction was slim to none anyway. So if they absolutely insist on keeping the house (instead of renting) they might be better off taking Gorilla’s offer (seller-financed, most likely), which effectively a 1/3 principal reduction. I’d bet they would not have got that 1/3 reduction from MetLife.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-04-08 12:11:41

Good point.

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-04-08 11:54:40

The Rudans said a representative again told them not to worry, saying the modification process was moving forward and they should throw the notice in the garbage.

You know, when the recorded message says, “This phone call may be monitored for quality assurance”, I always say, “Thanks. I will”

 
Comment by cactus
2010-04-08 13:22:36

Gorilla CEO John Helmick said he would be delighted to see the Zudans buy back their home as some other homeowners have done with homes his company acquired. He said he would sell it to them for $149,000 - one-third less than they owed to MetLife. Gorilla said his company followed the law.

reads like “the house of sand and fog”

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2010-04-08 06:27:21

If Employment Has Bottomed….
… why is it that unemployment claims data fails to show improvement?

In the week ending April 3, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 460,000, an increase of 18,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 442,000. The 4-week moving average was 450,250, an increase of 2,250 from the previous week’s revised average of 448,000.

The obvious cacaphony to further extend unemployment (from the 99 weeks now possible in some states) will rise in volume with this report I’m sure, but unfortunately that sort of support is exactly backward. At some point people have to have an incentive to move to where the jobs are or start business interests of some point on their own, and continually extending unemployment benefits doesn’t accomplish either.

This is one of the giant “unintended consequences” of support for housing prices and “extend and pretend” policies. We should have forced the foreclosures through the system immediately and we still should do it now. A homeowner who is deeply underwater cannot move to where the jobs are, as they can’t sell their house for what they have out in mortgage(s). A renter can scoot much more easily. We live in a nation where even in the depths of this economic mess (and all messes past, present and future) there are jobs - they just might not be where you currently live. In addition forcing the foreclosures through the system will force prices lower, which means that the newly-mobile worker will find it easier to rent or buy a new house - where they relocate to.

While it sounds rude, after nearly two full years of unemployment payments you’re well beyond the “we’re helping you” point and into the “we’re paying you not to work” realm. A dynamic economy requires people who will become motivated to do whatever is necessary to find employment and sustain themselves. That “whatever is necessary” may involve pulling up the roots, and if it does, that’s what people should be have incentives to do.

The fact is that even in The Depression 75% of the people had jobs, and there were jobs to be had - in some parts of the country. There might not be where you live now, but there are jobs - somewhere in this country, even if you don’t like the hours, job description or pay.

I know nobody wants to hear things like this, and I’m sure I will be called names for suggesting “no more extensions”, but the Federal Teat cannot be the support system for people over periods of two years or more - irrespective of how bad the economy is, in the form of cash handouts. We can only increase GDP by actually increasing output, and that means people have to have an incentive to do whatever is necessary to accomplish that - even if it brings howls of protest, and it will.

(From the Market Ticker)

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-04-08 07:06:55

“The fact is that even in The Depression 75% of the people had jobs, and there were jobs to be had - in some parts of the country. There might not be where you live now, but there are jobs - somewhere in this country, even if you don’t like the hours, job description or pay.”

We know that when they built TVA and Hoover Dam the workers left home and lived in barracks. Projects of those days were not at all cushy and those that worked them sacrificed a great deal. Under ARRA the gov’t wants us to think it’s stimulus will allow today’s equivalents to repeat such feats all whilst living (and servicing the debt) in the comforts of the family home, driving a personal car, and voraciously consuming at the big boxes.

Comment by Kim
2010-04-08 07:28:44

The lucky ones lived in barracks. I’ve seen a lot of old photographs of workers living in rows of tents that were set up near the project.

 
Comment by measton
2010-04-08 08:01:53

BINGO

Do away with unemployment and well fare and put people to work where it is needed.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 08:14:57

Easier said than done when so many underwater households got stucco (can’t move if you can’t sell your home for enough to pay off the note).

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Comment by In Montana
2010-04-08 09:49:17

People aren’t fit enough for hard labor anymore. Plenty weren’t fit back then, either, but it’s much worse now.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-08 12:55:23

And that was a big problem during World War II. The military found quite a few young men unfit for duty because they weren’t in good enough shape. The malnutrition that many suffered during the Great Depression had much to do with this problem.

 
 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-04-08 08:07:20

Unemployment has bottomed. Understand. That is all you need to know. Gosh.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-04-08 13:37:22

A dynamic economy requires people who will become motivated to do whatever is necessary to find employment and sustain themselves. That “whatever is necessary” may involve pulling up the roots, and if it does, that’s what people should be have incentives to do.

Where is aNYCDj, anyway?

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-04-08 23:04:29

How can you move to where the jobs are if you can’t pay to get there? Many companies advertise local candidates only, because they don’t want to pay to relocate people.

And if you hitchhike across the country to “where the jobs are”, there is still no guarantee that you will find something when you get there. Are we all supposed to move to North Dakota? The unemployment rate there is pretty low, but how many jobs does that really mean? My guess is there are more jobs available in some high unemployment places than there are in all of North Dakota.

Moving is a last resort, desperate measure that reasonable people will pursue when they have run out of options where they are - when they are homeless anyway. When you get to a new place, you lack the support systems you have built up in your old hometown. Where will you live while you find work? Where is the unemployment office (which you can use to look for work even when you no longer qualify to collect UI)? Which grocery store has the cheapest prices?

In my experience, moving is an expensive proposition and not to be undertaken lightly. The unemployed are the least able to handle the expense of moving. By the time people consider it, they have probably exhausted all of their emergency funds.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-04-09 15:46:17

In my experience, moving is an expensive proposition and not to be undertaken lightly.

That’s for sure.

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-04-08 06:27:43

As predicted here, negative household formation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36231884/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/

“Brown represents one of the more than 1.2 million households lost to the recession from 2005 to 2008, according to a report issued this week by the Mortgage Bankers Association. That number doesn’t include data from 2009, when job losses and foreclosures continued to rise.”

I’m not sure they mean fewer households. They may mean fewer households than “expected” based on prior growth. But they may mean fewer households.

“The formation of new households isn’t expected to pick up again until at least 2012, according to the MBA study, even as the population continues to increase. Between 2005 and 2008, those 1.2 million households were lost even as the population grew by 3.4 million.”

The consequences of excess square footage per housing unit are becomming clear — shadow vacancy within housing units.

Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 09:12:35

negative household formation ??

Just one more of the many nails in the coffin of the over supply of housing…

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-04-08 09:43:34

I wonder how holding the census in the midst of a RE bust will change things?

 
 
Comment by Brett
2010-04-08 06:34:42

If the government owns GM, does it mean the taxpayers will end up paying for this?

——————

UAW Sues GM Over Retiree Health Care

The United Auto Workers sued General Motors on April 6, claiming the automaker bailed out by the government failed to honor a pledge to pay $450 million to a union trust fund for former GM parts unit Delphi.

The suit claimed that when GM went into bankruptcy last year with the support of the U.S. and Canadian governments, the company pledged to live up to earlier commitments to the union. But GM last November refused to make the payment after Delphi emerged from bankruptcy and “thus stands in breach of its contractual obligation.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 06:46:43

Sounds like a Fed rate hike may be needed sooner than BB expected, to contain burgeoning inflationary pressures during the nascent recovery.

April 8, 2010, 8:34 a.m. EDT

March sales are fresh signal that U.S. consumers are back
By Andria Cheng, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — In another signal that U.S. shoppers are back spending beyond essential things, retailers’ March sales exceeded already raised expectations and are on track to post their seventh straight monthly increase.

Comment by measton
2010-04-08 08:05:16

As noted earlier a lot of competition has gone out of business so not sure this supports a rise in spending across the board.

They also noted

shift in the timing of the Easter holiday this year gave retailers a big bounce to their March sales. Warmer weather, pent-up demand and easy comparisons against a downbeat consumer mindset a year earlier also added fuel to retailers’ momentum in March

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-04-08 07:16:20

Initial jobless claims increase unexpectedly (AP)

I gotta stop drinking like this.

Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 08:32:35

“The number of newly laid-off workers seeking unemployment benefits rose last week, a sign that jobs remain scarce even as the economy recovers”.

“Recovers” my azz, smoke, mirrors & BS. There are a bunch of temp census jobs coming online, so they’ll get some better numbers to play with.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 08:17:45

Study: 1.2 million households lost to recession
As friends and families double up, ‘overcrowding’ is up fivefold
MSNBC

Richard Brown, who lost his job and his home, says he now “couch surfs” at friends and relatives. Brown is one of 1.2 million households lost to the recession.

Since Richard Brown lost his job to the recession and his Boston home to foreclosure a year ago, he’s been working short-term consulting assignments until he gets back on his feet. In the meantime, he’s been “couch surfing.”

“I’ve lived with my brother, my cousin, my friend and my dad,” he said. “The IRS keeps calling me, asking me: ‘What’s your address?’ And I say, ‘What week is this?’”

Armed with college degree and an MBA, Brown, 49, built a solid resume over three decades as a corporate controller for several Fortune 500 companies, including W.R. Grace and Wal-Mart, before launching his own global consulting business with clients in Europe and Mexico. But when the Panic of 2008 sent clients scrambling, he was unable to keep up with a jump in his mortgage payments and lost his home to foreclosure.

Comment by Muggy
2010-04-08 09:15:32

“he was unable to keep up with a jump in his mortgage payments”

Wow, and he has an MBA.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-04-08 12:03:18

What? He was a Fortune 500 controller and he can’t get a real job?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-08 12:58:15

Last week, the Huffington Post had a story about an MBA who, IIRC, lost his job. He was earning a living mowing lawns. And making $45k a year. His wife’s a teacher.

Story was worded as a sympathy ploy, but the HP commenting brigade wasn’t buying it. They were of the “Great! He has his own business!” mindset.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 08:18:37

Why are MSM-favored economists perpetually surprised by ongoing bad economic news? It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear dumb than to open it and remove all doubt.

Economic Report

April 8, 2010, 9:07 a.m. EDT
U.S. initial jobless claims up 18,000 to 460,000

Consumer debt falls by $11.5 billion in February

By Ruth Mantell, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The number of people applying for unemployment benefits rose 18,000 to a seasonally adjusted 460,000 in the week ended April 3, the Labor Department reported Thursday.

Economists surveyed by MarketWatch had expected a result of 442,000. The four-week average of initial claims — a better gauge of employment trends than the volatile weekly number - rose 2,250 to 450,250.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 08:20:04

National ID card.

~Senators Lindsey Graham and Chuck Schumer are pushing a national ID card that would include a “unique biometric identifier.” Some of the likely candidates include finger prints, retinal scans, or even the layout of a person’s veins in the top of their hand. Employers who refuse to “swipe the card” would face “stiff fines” and “prison sentences,” the Senators note.

~Lindsey and Schumer say their proposal also creates a rational system for admitting lower-skilled workers. In essence the ID is a high-tech Social Security card and employers will have to buy $800.00 scanners to read them. Touted as a means of dealing with illegal immigrants, a lot of people view the scheme as another enlargement of government power, noting that every time the government gets stronger citizens lose power.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-04-08 10:31:53

It is almost inconceivable to those of us with comfortabe middle class lives just how many people just don’t have the “feeder documents” to get ID, even if they were born in this country. The difficulties with national ID programs are not with the 99% of us who ALREADY HAVE State issued IDs. But for any program to do what is being asked of National ID cards, 100% compliance is required and that last 1% will be difficult, expensive, and a target for fraudsters. And even tiny fractions, less than 1% of the population constitutes a LARGE number of people, many of them difficult people to deal with.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 08:21:38

Spitzer face epidemic continues…

April 8, 2010, 11:17 a.m. EDT

Former Citigroup CEO Prince says he’s sorry for crisis
Panel express outrage over Citigroup CEO’s failure to foresee problems

By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Former Citigroup Inc. Chief Executive Chuck Prince on Thursday told an exasperated financial crisis inquiry panel he was sorry that his management team could not have foreseen the “unprecedented market collapse” that unfolded in 2008.

“Let me start by saying I’m sorry,” Prince told the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission on Capitol Hill. “I’m sorry the financial crisis had such a devastating impact on our country. I’m sorry for the millions of people, average Americans who have lost their homes and I’m sorry that our management team, like so many others, could not see the unprecedented market collapse that lay before us.”

Comment by measton
2010-04-08 08:48:13

I wish they would exam each of these CEO’s personal investments during the time of the crash. That would tell you everything about what they knew and didn’t know. How did they alter their pay packages over the previous few years to guarantee returns.

 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-04-08 09:42:11

Ooops, I am so sorry! Suckers!!! I am still dancing and the rest of you are holding the bag!
Why is this scum not in jail?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 08:28:36

Pan American Mortgage could cut almost 450 jobs

(Chicago) — Almost 450 workers may lose their jobs at a mortgage brokerage firm based on the Far Northwest Side that’s a subsidiary of Chicago-based Pan American Bank.

Pan American Mortgage LLC, based at 6232 N. Pulaski Road, sent layoff notices to 443 of its employees, according to an Illinois Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act document. The state’s WARN rules require advance notice from companies that may cut at least 250 employees.

A manager at Pan American Bank’s main branch in Pilsen said the mortgage subsidiary has been shut down and is no longer part of the bank.

But an employee at Pan American Mortgage’s office says the business is still operating, and confirmed the current headcount. She referred additional questions to a Pan American Mortgage executive who didn’t return a voicemail left Wednesday afternoon.

The WARN notification says the first layoff date is to be May 9.

The mortgage company is in a 20,000-square-foot office building that was built in 1971, according to data provider CoStar Group Inc. The building, on a largely industrial stretch of Pulaski, is owned by a venture managed by Adam Dayan, who is a director of the bank and CEO of the mortgage company.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 08:39:00

Sounds like there will be a jobs increase at the FDA

Many food makers unchecked by FDA for years
Agency must step up inspections, do better follow-through, U.S. report says

WASHINGTON - Federal inspectors are conducting fewer reviews of food manufacturing plants, with many facilities going more than five years without being checked, a government investigator said Wednesday.

The drop in inspections could make an outbreak of foodborne disease more likely, putting the public at risk, according to a report from the Department of Health and Human Services’ inspector general.

A shrinking workforce at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is responsible for much of the drop in the number of facilities inspected, including those deemed high risk by the agency, the report said.

Comment by measton
2010-04-08 08:49:28

I seem to recall that this starve the regulatory agencies was a plan applied across the gov under GW. The SEC faced similar pressures.

Comment by CrackerJim
2010-04-08 12:26:30

They were not doing anything before they became “starved under GW”.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 09:39:48

MO’ 2010 PREDICTIONS…

LEAP 20/20
2010 Outlook from a group of 25 European Economists with a 90% accuracy
rating- We anticipate a sudden intensification of the crisis in the second
half of 2010, caused by a double effect of a catching up of events which
were temporarily « frozen » in the second half of 2009 and the impossibility
of maintaining the palliative remedies of past years. There is a perfect
(economic) storm coming within the global financial markets and inevitable
pressure on interest rates in the U.S. The injection of zero-cost money into
the Western banking system has failed to restart the economy. Despite
zero-cost money, the system has stalled. It is slowly rolling over into the
next big down wave, which in Elliott Wave terminology will be Super Cycle
Wave Three, or in common language, “THE BIG ONE, WHERE WE ALL GO OVER THE
FALLS TOGETHER.”

Joseph Meyer
Forecasts on the economy. He sees the real estate market continuing to
decline, and advised people to invest in precious metals and commodities, as
well as keeping cash at home in a safe place in case of bank closures. The
stock market, after peaking in March or April (around 10,850), will fall all
the way down to somewhere between 2450 and 4125 during the next leg down.
Harry Dent (investor)
A very likely second crash by late 2010. The coming depression (starts
around the summer of 2010). Dent sees the stock market–currently benefiting
from upward momentum and peppier economic activity–headed for a very brief
and pleasant run that could lift the Dow to the 10,700-11,500 range from its
current level of about 10.090. But then, he sees the market running into a
stone wall, which will be followed by a nasty stock market decline (starting
in early March to late April) that could drive down the Dow later this year
to 3,000-5,000, with his best guess about 3,800.

Richard Russell (Market Expert)
(from 2/3/10) says the bear market rally is in the process of breaking up
and panic is on the way. He sees a full correction of the entire rise from
the 2002 low of 7,286 to the bull market high of 14,164.53 set on October 9,
2007. The halfway level of retracement was 10,725. The total retracement was
to 6,547.05 on March 9, 2009. He now sees the Dow falling to 7,286 and if
that level does not hold, “I see it sinking to its 1980-82 area low of Dow
1,000.” The current action is the worst he has ever seen. (Bob Chapman says
for Russell to make such a startling statement is unusual because he never
cries wolf and is almost never wrong)

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 09:52:11

One good reason to diversify is so opinions like these won’t bother you.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 14:53:40

Nice post wmbz….

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-04-08 10:34:59

April 8 (Bloomberg) — China’s property market is a bubble that may burst by as early as this year, according to hedge fund manager James Chanos.

The world’s third-biggest economy may need to keep up the pace of property investment because up to 60 percent of its gross domestic product relies on construction, said Chanos. The bubble may begin to “run its course” in late-2010 or 2011, he said in an interview on “The Charlie Rose Show” that will air on PBS and Bloomberg TV.

China is “on a treadmill to hell,” said Chanos, who said in January the nation is Dubai times a thousand. “They can’t afford to get off this heroin of property development. It is the only thing keeping the economic growth numbers growing.”

Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 10:51:44

“They can’t afford to get off this heroin of property development. It is the only thing keeping the economic growth numbers growing.”

Sounds like a familiar world wide theme.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 10:44:07

Study: Triangle home prices to bottom out in 2010
Triangle Business Journal - 4-8-10

Home sale prices in the Triangle are expected to bottom out in the fourth quarter and return to their peak levels by the second quarter of 2013, according to new data and analysis from Fiserv Case-Shiller.

Many U.S. markets won’t see home prices return to peak levels for several years, but because the Triangle housing market didn’t experience the extreme highs that other markets in the hard-hit bubble states of California, Florida, Arizona and Nevada experienced, the local home value recovery will be much quicker.

Home price recovery for some markets, like Orlando, Sacramento, San Jose and Tucson, won’t return to peak levels until 2025 or later.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 10:50:10

“Distressed” home sales levels near 2009 peak Apr 8, 2010

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Sales of foreclosed or other “distressed” homes are flirting with the peaks of the housing crisis in early 2009 when heavy inventory was pressuring home prices lower, according to First American CoreLogic.

Housing Market

Distressed sales accounted for 29 percent of all sales in January, the highest since April 2009 and just shy of the 32 percent seen in January 2009, the mortgage data company said on Thursday.

Distressed transactions have a strong negative influence on home prices, according to First American, which noted the lows in prices for 2009 coincided with a peak in bank-owned property sales. Distressed sales include short sales, in which lenders allow a home to sell for less than the outstanding debt.

The trend is worrisome to economists who have warned that federal home loan modification efforts and foreclosure moratoriums would result in a backlog of homes hitting the market, forcing prices lower and hurting the economy.

This “shadow supply” late in 2009 was estimated at seven million units by Amherst Securities Group.

Riverside, California and Las Vegas, Nevada had the largest percentage of distressed sales in January at 62 percent and 59 percent, respectively, First American said.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 10:58:59

Legislature pushes for foreclosure relief
Chronicle Sacramento (04-08)

If you’re one of tens of thousands of Californians facing foreclosure or who has already lost a home, help may soon be on the way from Sacramento.

Lawmakers are working on three proposals they say are aimed at about 87,000 Californians facing foreclosure and nearly 500,000 who received default notices last year.

Two of the bills would give borrowers more power to demand reductions in their monthly mortgage payments before they default on their loans. The third would help people who have already lost their homes avoid huge tax bills.

The most immediate legislative relief could come for former homeowners as soon as next week under SB401, a bill that will bring California tax code in line with federal law. The bill, which lawmakers in both houses are expected to approve today, would exempt former homeowners from having to pay taxes on debt that is forgiven after a foreclosure or a short sale.

Currently, in a short sale, when a bank agrees to accept less than what is owed on a home, the difference between the mortgage balance and the sale price is counted as income, resulting in large tax liabilities for people who are already struggling.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 12:07:42

Wouldn’t debt forgiveness on short sales speed the pace at which short sales occur, putting further downward pressure on CA home prices?

It seems like CA may be shooting its property tax base in the foot with this bill…

 
Comment by CrackerJim
2010-04-08 12:24:06

Isn’t this just a lot of untaxed income these people received in refinancing equity extractions that they neither have to pay back nor pay tax on as if were income (which it is if they are not required to pay it back).
The moral compass in this great country is seriously skewed!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 11:17:23

Taxpayers to subsidize Viagra for sex offenders.

Sen. Tom Coburn drew ridicule last month for trying in vain to prohibit sex offenders from getting Viagra prescriptions under the new health care law.

But Coburn is now having the last laugh after the Congressional Research Service confirmed his assertions that sex offenders not in prison could get Viagra and other drugs treating erectile dysfunction under health plans subsidized by taxpayer dollars.

Comment by bink
2010-04-08 15:33:21

Wait a minute. All I have to do to get free healthcare is serve a short stint in jail? Why are they still covered if they aren’t in jail? Presumably, prisoners aren’t getting Viagra pills.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 11:38:52

Retail Sales Up But America in “Dramatically Worse Shape” vs. a Year Ago, Davidowitz Says
Apr 08, 2010 by Aaron Task - Market Ticker

Optimists cheered Thursday’s stronger-than-expected March sales at retailers such as Kohl’s, Nordstrom, The Limited and even Gap as further proof of an improving economy and rebounding U.S. consumer. In fact, Thomson Reuters’ Same-Store Sales Index rose 9.1% last month to the highest level in the index’s 10-year history.

“The numbers were very strong,” admits noted cynic Howard Davidowitz of Davidowitz & Associates. “There are some positives” in consumer spending, even after adjusting for the boost many retailers got from Easter being earlier in April this year vs. last.

But (you knew that was coming, right?), Davidowitz believes it’s a “sucker’s rally” in retail stocks and any rebound in consumer spending will be short lived. “We’re in a bad place, heading for a worse place,” he says.

Regarding today’s chain-store sales data, the veteran analyst notes huge retailers were excluded, most notably Wal-Mart. “When you look at comp retail sales they don’t include the giants, they include some little dinky apparel chain doing a billion-five [in sales] and these analysts are dancing in the street.”

Furthermore, retailers such as Macy’s and Target warned the big jump in March sales would likely take a bite out of results in April, while Abercrombie & Fitch was a notable laggard in March; the Retail SPDR was essentially flat at midday.

More importantly, Davidowitz says the financial condition of the country is in “dramatically worse shape” than it was a year ago, when he was making dire predictions about America’s future.

With “no real jobs growth…deficits gone mad” and prospects for higher taxes for all Americans, Davidowitz is “exactly in the same place” as a year ago, despite the economy’s apparent revival. “There’s clearly pent up demand - there are needs [and] the consumer is jumping on those needs,” he says. “We’re in a cyclical economy. That doesn’t mean we’re better off.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 12:09:01

The S&P is now trading at a P/E over 23, according to the most recent Barron’s report. Dave Rosenberg:

“No matter how we slice it, whether on a Shiller P/E, Tobin Q or historical profit basis, the US market is anywhere between 20% and 30% overvalued.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-08 13:00:37

Isn’t the ideal P/E around 15?

Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 13:51:54

I really do not know the answer to that question. I’ve read anywhere from 8 to 12 over the years.

 
Comment by packman
2010-04-08 13:54:30

Yep. Average since 1900 is 16, though that includes the post-1990 period which was a *huge* bubble (much larger than the late 1920’s); so the generally-accepted norm is about 15.

chart

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 14:12:42

As to my point below, one can see it in packman’s graph: The P/E touched below 7 in 1921, 1933 and 1983, after three financial earthquakes in the 20th century of similar magnitude to the current one.

Again, bear in mind that it is different this time…

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Comment by packman
2010-04-08 14:38:27

$2+ Trillion buys a lot of helium.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 14:56:08

+1 Packman…

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-04-08 14:10:06

“Isn’t the ideal P/E around 15?”

Not sure about “ideal” but I believe 15 is roughly a long-run average. I realize this time is different, but if memory serves, financial crises of similar magnitude to the one underway have historically trended down to P/Es around 7 or so before lasting recovery ensues.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 12:33:11

Foreclosed? Here comes the tax man
April 8, 2010

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Did you lose your house to foreclosure this year? Did your lender forgive some of your mortgage debt because you sold it for less than it was worth? If so, you could be facing a big tax hit.

It is IRS policy to tax forgiven debt you are personally responsible for as if it is income. Say, for example, your credit card company settled a $10,000 debt for 50 cents on the dollar. You’d have a debt forgiveness of $5,000, which the IRS would count as income, just like your wages.

The same policy held true for most mortgage debt until 2007, when Congress passed the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Act. That ended the liability for many homeowners — but not all.

In general, if you lose your home to foreclosure or short sale, where you sell your home for less than you owe, the IRS won’t add insult to injury by counting the difference as income. At least until 2012.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/08/pf/taxes/taxes_mortgage_debt/index.htm

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 12:35:01

Sioux City pork plant to close early
by Radio Iowa Contributor on April 8, 2010

A pork processing plant in Sioux City is closing this week — a week-and-a-half earlier than originally announced. More than 1,400 people who work at the John Morrell Plant were told in January that the plant would shut down on April 20th.

A spokesperson for Smithfield Foods, which owns the plant, says workers will be paid through the 20th. John Morrell is one of Sioux City’s largest employers and the closure will have a wide ranging impact other businesses, including health care services.

Siouxland Community Health Center C.E.O. Michelle Stephan says they serve over 1,000 patients that utilize insurance provided through John Morrell. She says those unemployed individuals can remain patients and qualify for a sliding fee scale. “Instead of having insurance reimburse for their services, they would pay a portion of their $20 copay if they qualify for the lowest slide,” Stephan said. “So, our reimbursement for those individuals has greatly decreased.”

Stephan believes the change could cost the center $400,000 a year. She’s hoping to cover the shortfall through grants or other federal dollars.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-04-08 13:18:18

Who needs pork plants in Sioux City when we have DC?

Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 13:50:10

LOL… Yes indeed the pork and porking capital is D.C.!

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-04-08 14:02:54

He’s not gonna pork her, Russ.

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Comment by scdave
2010-04-08 14:57:58

+1 +1 to the ejohn….Funny… :)

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 12:43:51

Las Vegas Schools Facing 1,000 Layoffs
Apr 08, 2010

LAS VEGAS — Cash-strapped Clark County school trustees are poised to lay off more than 1,000 employees by July 1 unless the Las Vegas-based district can find another way to close a big budget shortfall.

Board members of the nation’s fifth-largest school district approved a tentative spending plan late Wednesday that aims to close most of a $140 million budget gap left by reduced state funding and declining property tax revenues. The board has until June 8 to submit a final balanced budget to the state.

Administrators say classroom and administrative positions are on the block. But specifics haven’t been made public. Officials say they hope the district’s four employee unions will agree to concessions including salary reductions and furlough days to reduce the number of layoffs.

Comment by mikey
2010-04-08 16:44:31

LAS VEGAS — Cash-strapped Clark County school trustees are poised to lay off more than 1,000 employees by July 1 unless the Las Vegas-based district can find another way to close a big budget shortfall.

Would $5 in Powerball tickets and prayers be considered a long shot bet?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 13:15:36

New college grads to make less $$$
April 8, 2010

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — College students gearing up to graduate this spring are likely to make less on their first job than those who got their degree last year, according to a report released Thursday.

The National Association of Colleges and Employers said that average salary offers to 2010 bachelor’s degree candidates are down 1.7% to $47,673, compared to $48,515 last year.

Students seeking liberal arts degrees may face the hardest blow. Their average initial pay offers are down 8.9% to $33,540, based on data collected from college career services offices.

Starting salary amounts extended to graduates with positions in business management are down 8% to $42,094, and students with jobs in the marketing field have dipped 2.1% to $42,710.

Last year’s graduates had a tougher time landing jobs, but starting salaries only slipped 1.2% compared with 2008 graduates, said NACE employment information manager Andrea Koncz.

“This year, graduates are starting to get the jobs but at slightly lower offers,” Koncz said. NACE’s summer and fall surveys may provide a clearer picture since more students will have secured jobs by then.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-04-08 13:16:05

From Chicago Public Radio:

(Academics and Uncle Sugar’s bottomless pockets)

A new study shows the decline in Cook County property values is pushing owners of many multi-unit buildings to the brink of foreclosure.

Nearly $13 billion of multi-family mortgages are at risk of default. That’s according to DePaul University’s Institute for Housing Studies.

Jim Shilling is a DePaul professor and the report’s author. He says the federal government needs to intervene.

SHILLING: And the most important thing, we think, that the federal government should be doing at this time is providing some financing support for landlords in this environment so that they can roll over those loans so that those properties don’t go into default and go into foreclosure.

Shilling says Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac must continue to provide liquidity and stability to the mortgage market.

Rental costs are generally going down, Shilling says. But the quality of housing is getting worse as landlords decrease expenditures and put off repairs.

Comment by polly
2010-04-08 13:57:30

And it doesn’t occur to him that the best way to get landlords who will spend the money to fix up the rental units is to get those units in the hands of new owners with lower fixed costs (ie mortgage) who will then be able to afford to make repairs even with lower rents?

Who are these people and what did they do with their brains?

Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 14:03:17

“Who are these people and what did they do with their brains”?

And sadly/pathetically these are the ‘experts’ called upon to supply the answers to these un-problems. Let nature take its course…But noooo!

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-04-09 09:37:31

“And it doesn’t occur to him that the best way to get landlords who will spend the money to fix up the rental units…”

Precisely, polly. No one will defer or ignore maintenance like a deeply-underwater landlord, who would only be throwing good money after bad.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 13:24:41

NH Gov Calls For 30-35 Layoffs, Higher Tobacco Tax

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) ― Gov. John Lynch on Thursday proposed laying off 30 to 35 state workers and raising the tobacco tax by 20 cents as part of a plan to close New Hampshire’s projected $220 million budget shortfall over two years.

The plan includes $85 million in general fund spending cuts, compared to the $47 million proposed by House budget writers. Under the proposal, most agencies would face 2 percent reductions for the rest of the year and 8 percent next year.

“These cuts will not be painless, and services to some citizens will in fact be impacted. We recognize that,” Lynch said. “But I believe this is a balanced approach for what is admittedly a very difficult problem.”

He said he is open to suggestions from lawmakers for other places to cut, but he remains opposed to another revenue source some lawmakers have proposed: expanded gambling.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 13:32:27

LOL! “I’m just shocked” dude get with the program, they ‘deserve’ the raise!

“I am just shocked and amazed that every time you ask a special interest, or a union, for some kind of sacrifice, the answer is either, ‘No!’ or ‘I’m going to sue you,’ ” Paterson added.

Paterson delays raises for 130,000 state workers
The Business Review (Albany)

New York Gov. David Paterson has delayed pay raises for 130,000 state workers, citing the state’s financial problems.

The 4 percent pay boost took effect April 1, adding about $480 million to the state’s payroll costs. The raises were scheduled to appear in paychecks for state workers later this month, beginning April 22.

On Thursday, Paterson said he will not include money for the raises in the next round of emergency spending bills that legislators will have to approve to keep the state running, since there is no budget in place.

“The delay is because we don’t have the resources to pay them right now,” Paterson said. “We are doing everything we can to keep the ship afloat.”

“I am just shocked and amazed that every time you ask a special interest, or a union, for some kind of sacrifice, the answer is either, ‘No!’ or ‘I’m going to sue you,’ ” Paterson added. “Some people are just reticent, or unable, to recognize the gravity of this crisis.”

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-04-08 14:14:35

How can he possibly be shocked? Did he just have an awakening yesterday? BS.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 14:48:45

A 4% raise adds $480 million to the payroll.

25 times $480,000,000 is $12,000,000,000,000 ?
Govt payroll is $12 Billion a year?
I can’t get my brain around that..

Lets see.. divided by.. Ahh..
It’s only $380 per second, 24/7/365. Whew.That’s more like it.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 13:48:43

More green shoots, wonder were the need dough will come from?

33 states out of money to fund unemployment benefits money.
CNN Money
April 8, 2010, 4:00 pm

With unemployment still at a severe high, a majority of states have drained their jobless benefit funds, forcing them to borrow billions from the federal government to help out-of-work Americans.

A total of 33 states and the Virgin Islands have depleted their funds and borrowed more than $38.7 billion to provide a safety net, according to a report released Thursday by the National Employment Law Project. Four others are at the brink of insolvency.

Debt-challenged California has borrowed the most, totaling more than $8.4 billion, followed by Michigan and New York, which have loans worth more than $3 billion. Nine other states have borrowed at least $1 billion from the federal government.

“The nation’s financing system for jobless benefits is under unprecedented stress,” said Andrew Stettner, deputy director of the New York-based advocacy group for the unemployed. “While the recession has certainly made things worse, this funding crisis has been developing for years.”

At the onset of the recession, only 19 states met the recommended funding level, which is one year of reserves equal to the highest amount of unemployment insurance paid out during prior recessions.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-04-08 13:59:52

If this is what it’s like in spite of all the bailouts, where would employment be without them?

Some might suggest we only bail out the little guys.. small businesses. But nearly half of us work for big business, and many things big businesses provide makes small business operation possible.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 14:15:35

NAACP drops racial bias suit against Wells Fargo
Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal

The NAACP has dropped a lawsuit that accused Wells Fargo & Co. of steering African-American homeowners into sub-prime mortgages, the organization announced Thursday.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) sued Wells Fargo and more than a dozen other banks last year, saying the banks engaged in “systematic, institutionalized racism” when they steered homeowners of color into mortgages with higher interest rates than borrowers who had similar credit histories.

The NAACP dropped its suit against San Francisco-based Wells Fargo after working with the bank to identify ways of improving “fair credit access, sustainable homeownership and financial literacy for communities of color,” the organization said in a press statement. Wells Fargo, which denied the suit’s allegations, has also agreed to endorse a series of principles on fair lending developed by the NAACP.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-08 14:34:46

The thought of a bank teaching financial literacy scares me. Just imagine Lesson #1: Debt Is Good.

Comment by neuromance
2010-04-08 19:06:24

It’s like Lawrence Yun teaching real estate: “Now is always a good time to buy.”

 
 
Comment by rms
2010-04-08 19:15:55

More like Wells Fargo & Co. decided to pay-off the threat. The NAACP must be learning the Rainbow Coalition’s tactics.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-04-08 14:17:43

Court freezes US Fidelis owners’ assets
St. Louis Business Journal -

A federal bankruptcy judge on Wednesday froze the assets of US Fidelis owners and brothers Cory and Darain Atkinson at the request of the company’s creditors.

Judge Charles Rendlen III “recognized that it only worked if both sides were frozen. The Atkinsons cannot transfer assets but the creditors cannot sue them in the meantime,” said David Warfield, a Thompson Coburn attorney who represents the company’s creditors.

Under Rendlen’s order, the assets will be frozen until July 8 and on that day, another hearing will be held to decide whether the order should made permanent, Warfield said.

US Fidelis is being operated by Chief Restructuring Officer Scott Eisenberg, managing partner at Amherst Partners, a Birmingham, Mich., turnaround firm. US Fidelis plans to sue the Atkinsons to recover some of the millions they took from the company. Rob Eggmann, a lawyer for U.S. Fidelis and a partner in the Clayton office of Kansas City-based Lathrop & Gage, had said he planned to file that suit by the end of next week.

US Fidelis is no longer selling vehicle service contracts but continues to provide customer service for its existing 260,000 contracts.

The Atkinsons and their real estate companies owe US Fidelis about $66 million, according to the Chapter 11 bankruptcy filed March 1.

 
Comment by SLO_renter
2010-04-08 14:50:58

There is a very sudden price uptick on Zillow in this past month for communities in my area (San Luis Obispo, Morro Bay, Atascadero). Any ideas about this? Maybe people rushing to buy due to the California tax credit?

With the CA budget issues, furloughs, school lay-offs, etc. it seems like this must be a reflection of some force from the outside, as things have not improved significantly locally (and, if anything, have continued to deteriorate).

 
Comment by bink
2010-04-08 15:41:09

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/04/the_tuesday_podcast_the_fed_wa.html

The Tuesday Podcast: The Fed Wants To Sell You A Mall In Oklahoma

The Federal Reserve owns the biggest mall in Oklahoma, and it’s looking to sell.

The mall is one of the many, many assets the Fed bought to bail out Bear Stearns a few years back. The assets were bundled into a special company called Maiden Lane I.

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-04-08 18:47:43

What is the difference between the Gambino crime family and Megabank? Both are businesses. Aren’t both net wealth extractors from society?

A business is supposed to create wealth - create a good or service that people want, creating more wealth, creating more satisfaction.

What’s the difference between Gambino and Megabank? Do either actually net create any wealth? Create satisfaction? Or do both just cause a net increase in suffering?

 
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