April 14, 2010

A Lot Of People Got Burned When The Market Went Bad

The Chronicle Telegram reports from Ohio. “Lorain County Clerk of Courts Ron Nabakowski announced this week that foreclosure filings for the first quarter of 2010 were down 9.7 percent from the same period in 2009. In 2006, foreclosures in Lorain County exploded, increasing 46.5 percent. That, Nabakowski said, was largely the consequence of home refinancing for credit card debt earlier in the decade, as homeowners believed that their property values would just continue to climb. But when the economy got worse and the real estate bubble burst, the suburban areas in eastern Lorain County, such as Avon Lake, Avon and North Ridgeville, started seeing more foreclosures, Nabakowski said.”

“Now, the foreclosures are countywide as homes in the more rural townships are being seen on the foreclosure rolls. In some parts of the country, the foreclosure sales are reviving the house-flippers. Nabakowski said he doesn’t expect a surge in flipping in Lorain County until the economy is more stable. ‘A lot of people got burned when the real estate market went bad,’ he said.”

The Toledo Blade in Ohio. “Those familiar with downtown say there is one overarching problem for both development and preservation: lack of demand. Exhibit A of lackluster demand downtown could be the Bartley Lofts. The project involved redeveloping a 1913 warehouse into a sunlight-filled 52-unit condo complex, complete with higher-end amenities such as a rooftop swimming pool. The building opened five years ago with some units priced as high as $425,000. But with only 75 percent of the units sold - despite a reduced $119,000 to $273,000 price range - the lead developers this month stepped away from the project, transferring management to a homeowners’ association.”

“‘We are going to lose a lot of money here,’ the developer told The Blade.”

The IndyStar in Indiana. “Home prices in the Indianapolis area, which are still reeling from the housing bust that began in 2007, may not fully recover for another three years, a new study says. A big factor in how fast housing values recover is how far above the norm a market’s prices soared during the housing boom years. Jennifer Blandford, managing broker at Carpenter Realtors’ office in Zionsville, said even though local housing sales have picked up this year over last, the study’s estimate of the recovery time seems overly optimistic, especially for higher-priced housing.”

“‘I’d say that would be encouraging if we were back to our peak numbers by 2013,’ she said. ‘There is four years of inventory (of homes for sale) in some neighborhoods,’ including ones in Zionsville, she said.”

From WTHR in Indiana. “The chances of selling a home appear better than last year, but not nearly as good as they were several years ago. Bruce Trent has tried for a year to sell his home and even lowered the price by $30,000. ‘Money is hard to come buy right now. Banks aren’t lending it like they use to,’ he said.”

“The housing industry is a critical part of the American economy. When someone buys a house, they usually buy floor coverings, furnishings, appliances and lawn mowers. A new home comes with a huge to-buy list. ‘The recession got started in the housing market so everyone is looking at the same housing market to determine when the recession is over,’ said Bill Rieber, Butler College of Business.”

The Des Moines Register in Iowa. “The number of Americans without work 27 weeks or longer hit 6.5 million in March, the highest level since 1948, when the U.S. Bureau of Labor began collecting data. It could take Iowa another three years to recover the 64,000 jobs lost in the recession. David Swenson, an economist at Iowa State University, said it took Iowa five years to replace the jobs lost in the 2001 recession.”

“‘What we found in the 1980s is that we exported our unemployed workers,’ said Swenson. The national recession, combined with the farm crisis, resulted in Iowa losing nearly 5 percent of its population as workers moved to faster-recovering states. This time around, though, no state has escaped the recession, which was sparked by foreclosures in the subprime market and evolved into a global credit crisis and recession. ‘There’s just nowhere to go,’ Swenson said. ‘People have homes they can’t move, employers can hire people dirt cheap, and that precludes people from wanting to pick up and move. They’re just stuck.’”

“Heidi Shierholz, an economist at Economic Policy Institute, believes the bust of the national housing bubble is contributing to long-term unemployment. But the lack of new jobs being created is the major driver. ‘We’ve lost 8.2 million jobs in this 27-month downturn,’ Shierholz said. And with ‘a population that continues to grow, we’ve got this massive 11 million-jobs hole in the labor market. … That’s why people are getting stuck in unemployment,’ Shierholz said.”

The Lawrence Journal World in Kansas. “For 27 years, Kevin Fredrickson of Lawrence’s Eagle Trailer Co. has been manufacturing the trailers that keep Midwest contractors rolling. ‘Last year was the toughest I’ve ever seen,l Fredrickson says. ‘It’s one thing to have customers that aren’t buying and another thing to have customers that are near bankruptcy, which is what we saw with contractors.’”

“Fredrickson still shares the prevailing attitude of most local business owners toward economic recovery: he’ll believe it when he sees it. ‘Three years ago I was saying that there’s all the money out there that anyone wants to make,’ he says. ‘Now I would say you don’t want to lose out on any opportunity to bring in a sale.’”

“Frank Salb of Lawrence’s Salb Construction Inc. has also become adept at making adjustments to his business plan with an eye on economic trends. ‘It seems like a lot of people — since they’re not moving — are finishing up part of their basement or remodeling their kitchens and doing other things to upgrade their houses,’ Salb says. ‘Even though (the housing market) isn’t as good in Lawrence as it used to be, we’re still not hurting the way people are in Florida and Las Vegas.’”

The Lansing State Journal in Michigan. “To remove unsightly homes from Lansing’s struggling neighborhoods, demolitions started late last fall and will continue through the start of 2013. Twenty houses already have come down. With the Ingham County Land Bank’s assistance, the city has pinpointed approximately 25 more for demolition. Officials are inspecting properties to find approximately 180 more.”

“‘We’re working in a situation where we probably (have) 20 percent of our housing units vacant,’ said Dorothy Boone, Lansing’s development manager. ‘Our goal is to get rid of some of the worst of those (so) the nuisance is gone.’”

“William Bell lives near at least three plots where federal neighborhood stabilization money has razed homes. He said he’d be fine with the demolitions if a successful redevelopment was guaranteed. ‘If they make it look like a ghost town, then we’re all screwed,’ Bell said.”

The Detroit News in Michigan. “Metro Detroit’s residential real estate market continued to improve in March, but experts are divided about whether it signals a housing rebound or a lull before a foreclosure-induced relapse. Michigan stands a good chance of missing the brunt of the second wave of foreclosures, said Robert Taylor, a Birmingham real estate agent and president of the Michigan Association of Realtors.”

“The pessimistic national forecasts are based on the number of three-year adjustable rate mortgages that are about to see rates ratchet up and increase the amount homeowners will pay, Taylor said. Those mortgages would have been taken out by homeowners in 2007. ‘In Michigan, the market already stunk’ then and not as many people took out adjustable mortgages, ’so we won’t see the big rate increases like other parts of the nation,’ he said.”

The Wisconsin State Journal. “Conservative lending practices and slow growth have helped two small, south-central Wisconsin banks draw the highest marks from two ratings services for their financial strength. Meanwhile, bad loans from past years sank several local financial institutions given the worst rankings.”

“UW-Madison School of Business professor Jim Johannes, director of the Puelicher Center for Banking Education, said overall, Wisconsin banks are in better shape than those in most other states. But, he said, there are ‘three dark clouds hanging over their heads’ as far as the financial future: the commercial real estate market, the government bond market, and interest rates.”

“‘There’s plenty of money available for good loan customers; it’s just harder to figure out who those are,’ Johannes said.”

“Problems encountered by the one-office Badger State Bank — celebrating its 100th anniversary this year — are similar to those of many other banks, many times its size: It tried to grow by getting involved in so-called participation loans, involving developments in other parts of the country, particularly California, Arizona and Florida, areas where property values took some of the biggest hits.”

“In participation loans, investment banks commonly make large loans, for example, for a big, new housing and retail project, and then syndicate them, or sell pieces to smaller banks around the U.S. Badger State Bank was one. The recession took its toll, said Louis Okey, CEO of the small Cassville bank, 100 miles southwest of Madison. ‘A lot of community banks did this,’ Okey said. ‘For our size, we got in too many of them.’”

The Plainfield Sun in Illinois. “Michael Garrigan has seen the price of land plummet as much as 75 percent from a high of $110,000 an acre in the past couple of years. Garrigan, who has been Plainfield’s village planner since 2002, can’t believe how quickly prices skyrocketed, then crashed during his eight-year tenure. From about 2002 through 2005, Plainfield was one of the fastest growing communities in the country. But the housing bubble burst and what some are calling The Great Recession sucked the life out of residential development in Will and Kendall counties, which were among the fastest growing counties in the nation.”

“‘Now developers are having property foreclosed on,’ Garrigan said. ‘That is unfortunately the new norm in this economy.’”

“When the market was hot, Gus Rousonelos, whose family has farmed in Plainfield since 1963, sold farmland for $92,000 an acre. More recently, he bought different land for $14,000 an acre. The 120 acres he purchased had been sold by another farmer to Lakewood Homes for the LaBancz subdivision, which would have been in Will County. ‘We were lucky,’ he said of the timing. ‘It was fortunate for us, not so good for the developers. But they’re big boys.’”

“Mark Schneidewind, manager of the Will County Farm Bureau, sees a similar pattern happening in ‘pockets’ all over the county. Farmland that was selling for an average of $45,000 to $65,000 an acre in some areas is now going for $5,000 to $7,000 a acre, he said.”

“At one time, county officials worried that too much farmland was disappearing to homes. But that worry has withered, Schneidewind said. ‘It’s good to see the farmland staying and not being developed,’ he said. ‘We need to keep our food system going and we’re doing that locally.’”

The <Chicago Sun Times in Illinois. “With a panoramic view of the Jackson Park golf course and Lake Michigan, the Shoreline Condominium was once a swanky address that only the elite could afford. But a place that was once a status symbol for well-to-do African-Americans is a nightmare for some of the people who are living there today.”

“Maricel Rodriguez bought her unit in 2005. She took out a $131,000 mortgage for her 3-bedroom unit, and spent $50,000 remodeling. Rodriguez kept current on her $707 monthly assessments, and last October she was elected vice president of the condo association. But she often clashed with members over decisions, such as paying for a 24-hour security guard.”

“When owners were hit with a special masonry assessment of $7,901 that was to be paid in three monthly installments, Rodriguez was among those who refused to pay. With late and legal fees, Rodriguez now owes $16,084. ‘I am going to get out of here. This is a nightmare,’ she said.”

“The standoff between dissatisfied owners, many of whom bought their units within the last five years, and those who have been at Shoreline for decades, has triggered a vicious cycle. Owners have walked away from their units or stopped paying assessments. Banks have foreclosed.”

“Shirley Brown, who served four years as the condo association president, has lived at Shoreline since 1993. Brown described the group of dissatisfied owners as ‘dissidents’ who are upset about not getting their way. ‘They are playing a game here. Some of them could not afford to move here in the first place. The bank has been trying to close on one of them since November of 2008, and he is showing the others how to beat the system,’ she said. ‘Since 2001, I’ve had to pay $30,000 in special assessments, and I paid it because I love my place. It is my home. I didn’t come into this to make a killing.’”

The Pioneer Press in Minnesota. “Daffodils aren’t the only things sprouting in yards across the Twin Cities these days. More for-sale signs have been popping up, too. Rick Koons spends his days installing, repairing and removing for-sale signs from yards in the region. ‘We are about two months ahead of where we were last year in terms of installs,’ said Koons. ‘Last year, right around June is when the explosion (of new listings) started. This year, it started in March.’”

“The for-sale sign that Koons installed Thursday along Portland Avenue was one of 25 installs for the day — not bad, considering his personal record for new signs in one day is 38. That came back in 2006 when the local housing market was red-hot. It was a different story in 2009, when Koons noted that a lot of the for-sale signs seemed to go up in front of vacant homes. Such homes often have gone through a bank foreclosure.”

“After peaking in June 2006 at $236,850, the median sale price for a home in the Twin Cities hit a recent low of $150,000 during February 2009. The median price this past February was $159,000. Some sellers who’d been keeping homes off the market in hopes of a price rebound apparently decided to stop waiting. ‘Sellers are becoming more realistic about price,’ said Marshall Saunders of Re/Max Results in Eden Prairie. ‘They know their homes are worth a lot less than they once were.’”

The Star Tribune. “Francine Lindala began making the one-hour commute from Princeton to Roseville in the days when gas was cheap. As the cost of fuel steadily rose beyond what Americans had ever seen, she and her husband toyed with the idea of selling. Wondering what their home would fetch, they ordered up an appraisal. The answer shocked them. ‘There were no comparables,’ she said.”

“Houses like hers simply were not selling. So they’re staying — for now. It’s an illustration of what’s happening all over the once-booming Twin Cities fringe. A metro area once considered one of the nation’s most sprawling is now strengthening at its center while its outer rings wither.”

“All these trends would be much more pronounced, say some who live in outlying towns, if by some stroke of magic they could leave: if they were not upside down on their mortgages and forced to write $20,000 checks to escape. ‘We’re stuck there,’ said Jason Hanson, who bought a townhouse in Farmington with his wife in 2005. At the time, moving farther out was a way to get more space for less money. Now with a baby and a dog, the distance from work and everyday amenities has turned into a drag.”

“They want to move to Lakeville or Eagan, closer to a freeway and transit to carry him to his job in Minneapolis. But, Hanson said, ‘a lot of people want to sell and they can’t.’”

“George Karvel, a professor of real estate at the University of St. Thomas, said retiring baby boomers looking to downsize may leave some suburban areas in limbo. ‘They drove a lot of the demand for larger, bigger, suburban homes out in Eden Prairie,’ Karvel said. ‘Those homes are going to come back on the market. The question we all have is, what’s going to happen to their values? Who is going to buy those properties?’”

Minnesota Public Radio. “A north Minneapolis man who faces foreclosure says he’s prepared to fight to remain in his home. Michael Kidd gathered with about a dozen supporters on his front steps on Friday afternoon to speak out against what he said is unfair treatment by his mortgage servicer. ‘Right now, all I’m asking for is a fair deal,’ Kidd said.”

“Supporters said they’ll fight to help Kidd remain in his home by making phone calls to his mortgage servicer and holding protests to call attention to his situation. ‘Today is the start of something very important,’ said Linden Gawboy of the Minnesota Coalition for a People’s Bailout. ‘Today is the day that Michael Kidd is saying no.’”

“Kidd has asked his mortgage servicer, to modify his mortgage to reflect the home’s steep drop in value. He said he then tried to renegotiate his mortgage with Aurora, but the company told him he wasn’t eligible for federal loan modification programs. Instead, he said Aurora offered him a new mortgage for $152,000. Under the terms of that mortgage, Kidd said, the interest rate would start out at 2 percent, but would adjust to 5 percent after five years.”

“‘Realistically, the terms that they’re offering are ridiculous,’ he said. ‘The bank’s lost nothing. I’ve lost my entire life savings.’”

“The fifty-year-old man said he spent his life savings to purchase the four-bedroom home in 2004. At the time, he said he thought it was important to invest in the north Minneapolis community where he grew up. ‘Now, I’m kind of kicking myself in some respects,’ he said, referring to the high number of foreclosures in the low-income neighborhood.”




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Comment by wmbz
2010-04-14 05:11:05

Instead, he said Aurora offered him a new mortgage for $152,000. Under the terms of that mortgage, Kidd said, the interest rate would start out at 2 percent, but would adjust to 5 percent after five years.”

“‘Realistically, the terms that they’re offering are ridiculous,’ he said. ‘The bank’s lost nothing. I’ve lost my entire life savings.’”

Sorry Kidd, suck it up, you missed the boat and now want a redo. I think the guys lucky the lender offered him the deal they did, but no. I guess he wants them to drop it to what?

Comment by combotechie
2010-04-14 05:38:10

Ah, but he says his is “prepared to fight to remain in his home”.

Presumeably that means he will fight to keep up with his house payments.

This is the bottom line in all this, getting the FBs to keep up with the house payments. Everthing else is just noise.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-04-14 05:58:32

“Kidd has asked his mortgage servicer, to modify his mortgage to reflect the home’s steep drop in value.”

Does that mean the servicer would be allowed to modify the mortage to reflect the home’s steep increase in value?

No, I didn’t think so either. :roll:

By the way, what is this BS about making phone calls and holding protests? Are they planning to vote the mortage servicer out of office?

Comment by Stpn2me
2010-04-14 08:31:40

“‘There’s plenty of money available for good loan customers; it’s just harder to figure out who those are,’ Johannes said.”

No it’s not. They are the ones with good credit, down payments and stable histories.

What’s that? Not many people like that these days? Yes there are. They just wont pay anything for a house..

Comment by WHYoung
2010-04-14 11:58:34

But that requires doing some math instead of just checking for a pulse.

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-04-14 09:11:05

I’d say the terms are ridiculously good! 2% is ridiculously cheap and 5% is cheap. If he’s crying because they won’t write down the value of the loan he can walk.

Comment by Kim
2010-04-14 12:31:55

He lost his job in 2008, but found another within six months. So this is interesting in that he doesn’t have any kind of ongoing hardship. In other words, no “victim” here, just someone with a bullhorn wanting a handout.

 
 
 
Comment by evildoc
2010-04-14 05:23:10

Yah, it’s old, but one wonders… had his home risen in value, would he be asking for a mortgage mod raising his principal?

Comment by oxide
2010-04-14 06:03:24

Oh sorry, evildoc, you commented on this first… +1.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-04-14 06:37:23

The Detroit News in Michigan. “Metro Detroit’s residential real estate market continued to improve in March, but experts are divided about whether it signals a housing rebound or a lull before a foreclosure-induced relapse.

Housing prcies went from $1 to $2?

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-04-14 09:14:57

Don’t be ridiculous. They went to $1.02

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-04-14 06:40:50

“Mark Schneidewind, manager of the Will County Farm Bureau, sees a similar pattern happening in ‘pockets’ all over the county. Farmland that was selling for an average of $45,000 to $65,000 an acre in some areas is now going for $5,000 to $7,000 a acre, he said.”

Any ETFs or funds out there that invest in productive farmland? Now would seem like a good time to look at them…

Comment by snake charmer
2010-04-14 07:14:44

Jim Rogers has a fund called Agcapita that is buying Canadian and Brazilian farmland. I’ve been waiting for deflation to run its course, and for the Canadian housing bubble to pop, before making a small investment.

Comment by 2banana
2010-04-14 08:15:29

Good tip. Looks like at this time it is only open to Canadians.

:-(

 
Comment by oxide
2010-04-14 12:16:12

Don’t forget global warming! They’ll be growing lemons in Edmonton after they use up all the oil shale. :grin:

[but to be serious, they redid the gardening zone map a few years ago, and most of the USA is half a gardening zone warmer. That may open up a lot of cold Canadian grasslands to wheat.]

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-04-14 06:44:31

‘They are playing a game here. Some of them could not afford to move here in the first place. The bank has been trying to close on one of them since November of 2008, and he is showing the others how to beat the system,’ she said. ‘Since 2001, I’ve had to pay $30,000 in special assessments, and I paid it because I love my place. It is my home. I didn’t come into this to make a killing.’”

The givers and the takers. The government protects the takers and screws the givers (workers). I wonder if she sees the irony with obama and her living in a status symbol for well-to-do African-Americans…

Comment by snake charmer
2010-04-14 07:34:41

Those special assessments alone are a deterrent to the condo living arrangement.

On another subject, I am becoming tired of the theme that homeownership brings with it a panoply of other purchases and thus has a powerful economic multiplier effect. Now that loose credit is over and retirements are in jeopardy, anyone paying too much for a house won’t exactly be going to town furnishing it or remodeling it.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-14 09:03:09

On another subject, I am becoming tired of the theme that homeownership brings with it a panoply of other purchases and thus has a powerful economic multiplier effect.

I’ll ‘fess up to being just that kind of homeowner. That was back in 1995, and believe you me, a lot of those purchases were once-in-a-lifetime events. As in, at my age, it’s doubtful that I’ll be buying another living room couch.

Once I was done with those purchases, I went back to being my mean old frugal self.

 
 
Comment by Colorado Floridian
2010-04-14 07:49:00

“…a place that WAS ONCE a status symbol for well-to-do African-Americans…”

Comment by Kim
2010-04-14 12:36:43

They make it sound like you have to be black to live there.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-04-14 12:21:09

and those who have been at Shoreline for decades,

Sounds like a conversion. You have to expect that they’d need to be fixed up. *ugh* you could never convince me to pony up hundreds of thousands of $$ to buy a floating box of air.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-04-14 19:59:25

Rodriguez kept current on her $707 monthly assessments

Danged.

People here bitch about $300 a YEAR HOA assessments…

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-04-14 06:50:31

“‘Realistically, the terms that they’re offering are ridiculous,’ he said. ‘The bank’s lost nothing. I’ve lost my entire life savings.’”

“The fifty-year-old man said he spent his life savings to purchase the four-bedroom home in 2004. At the time, he said he thought it was important to invest in the north Minneapolis community where he grew up.

Do reporters not even ask questions any more?

The bank lost nothing??? Did the bank lend you money or not? Did you sign a piece of paper pledging your house a collateral and get money from the bank. Yes or no?

Spent your life savings to purchase the four-bedroom home??? Did you buy this house with your own money or did you get a mortgage? Did you take out home equity loans? Where did the money go?

Comment by mikey
2010-04-14 08:44:11

“The fifty-year-old man said he spent his life savings to purchase the four-bedroom home in 2004. At the time, he said he thought it was important to invest in the north Minneapolis community where he grew up.”

” Whether somebody’s belief is true is not a prerequisite for someone to believe it.”

Oh, and Welcome to the Great American Housing Scam and say “Hi” to the Equity Fairy for me kiddo.

:)

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-04-14 20:43:27

Yeah, “beliefs!” I love it! Stupid is as stupid does. That is basically not a belief. It’s an emotion! The man has no brain. Investing where you grew up does not mean you are going to make a gain.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-04-14 07:31:57

So how do we get 4 years of inventory in Indiana without a bubble? Check this out:

‘The largest Century 21 residential real estate group in the Indianapolis-area has switched to a new brand. Century 21 Realty Group sold $777 million worth of homes in 2009, less than half the amount it sold in 2006, when the housing market peaked. The group’s number of licensed agents also plunged nearly by half, to 418.’

Comment by bink
2010-04-14 09:01:51

I look forward to the day when poor people in South America and Africa will be wearing those swanky jackets.

Comment by snake charmer
2010-04-14 14:56:12

Ever notice how a champion professional sports team puts on commemorative t-shirts immediately after the clinching game? I’ve read that t-shirts for both teams are made right at the start of the series, and that the shirts of the losing team get shipped to the Third World afterwards.

http://tinyurl.com/35rtuz

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-04-14 18:45:47

That would explain all those Somali pirates in their champion jerseys.

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Comment by CincyDad
2010-04-14 09:33:14

“In 2006, foreclosures in Lorain County exploded, increasing 46.5 percent. That, Nabakowski said, was largely the consequence of home refinancing for credit card debt earlier in the decade, as homeowners believed that their property values would just continue to climb….”

Lorain County is a western ex-urb of Cleveland, and actually the area is pretty nice. I would consider living in the area myself.

But it was a victum of the “Health Care employment sector will save us all” mentality that is rampent in Ohio. The Cleveland Clinic and University Hospital (Cleveland) built facilities out that way, and then a large in-fill of offices and housing started. Everyone expected the health care facilities to be a job engine for the region, but it appears to have fizzled out.

The exact same thing is happening in my part of Ohio between Cincinnati and Dayton. Four new large health-care facilities have opened in the past 2 years, and everyone is saying they will bring lots of jobs in. Well, now that the facilities have opened, not much else is going on. All the “high-paying jobs” that were supposed to save us have not appeared.

A lot of stuff was built mid-decade, and a lot of people borrowed mid-decade, based on the promise that high-paying jobs (health-care jobs in the case of Ohio) would be forth-coming. Turned out to be a bad gamble for a lot of people.

Comment by Steamed Bean
2010-04-14 10:34:18

Another scam by the banksters, get people to consolidate cc debt into mortgage debt. Yeah, the rate is higher on cc debt, but if you default on it the bank can’t take your house.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-14 11:09:28

The trouble with the “health care and jobs” meme is that when times get hard, people cut back on health care. They put things off, hoping they’ll get better on their own (and sometimes they do), or they decide to take care of themselves (and, hopefully, better care of themselves).

I saw this kind of cutting back when I moved back to western PA in the early 1980s. The economy was in the dumpster, and I can recall a dinnertime conversation with friends. One had just been to the doctor, and the doctor said that his business was way down.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-04-14 12:15:52

I know the dentists/orthodontists are feeling it (good).

My dentist started sending out monthly fliers…..lots of stories about the staff (reminding customers of their “personal” service), and lots of stories linking healthy gums to reduced rates of cancer/heart attacks strokes/erectile dysfunction/everything under the sun.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-14 12:45:41

X-GS, that sounds a lot like the newsletter I used to get from the dentist I recently stopped going to. Reason: She got way too expensive.

And I couldn’t help thinking that the higher prices were to finance the debt service on the oh-so-fancy office remodel she had done to coincide with her grand entrance into cosmetic dentistry.

Any-hoo, much of the content seemed so boilerplate that it made me laugh. It seemed like it had come from the “Newsletters for Dentists” company. Or something like that.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-04-14 14:16:04

I love my dentist. Never remodeled his office (decorates it with his own paintings), never got into cosmetic work, never keeps me waiting, and does great work. I wish I could share him with you. Now my kid’s orthodontist next door was another matter . . . .

 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-04-14 15:06:11

My wife went to a new dentist for a routine cleaning late last year, and was told she needed almost $3,000 in dental work. I said we’re getting a second opinion right now, and sure enough, only one of the three procedures was necessary. The second guy conceded that office managers were in charge of some practices.

 
 
Comment by CincyDad
2010-04-14 12:16:24

Interesting… and they say the healthcare industry is by-and-large recession-proof.

When I visited my eye doctor last summer, she also said business was down. Not dramatically, but definitely down. And she added that 95% of her customers are over 50. So the cutback was coming from the older set, not the younger set.

Anyway, the bubble in healtcare wages is probably over. Even my physician friends (in their mid-40s) say the golden age of healthcare is over.

I guess cost-cutting (ie wage constraint) will be prevelant in the healthcare industry going forward.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-14 12:46:44

And she added that 95% of her customers are over 50. So the cutback was coming from the older set, not the younger set.

My, my. Looks like the older set is finding other things to do with their time.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-04-14 12:46:51

I recall reading that optometrists were waayy down. It seems that folks aren’t buying multiple pairs of glasses with various color frames to make “fashion statements” anymore.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-04-14 15:27:20

And to think that some of us wear glasses to see with. Fashion statements, my foot.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-04-14 15:30:15

Or due to lack of any interest on their savings, they no longer have the extra income?

 
Comment by m2p
2010-04-14 15:43:50

This over 50 household was trying for the “made in America” statement. We visited 5 different optometrists looking for frames not made in China.
Settled for Italian.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-04-14 10:36:04

China’s Towers and U.S. McMansions: When Things Fall Apart (Literally)

Benzinga| 04/14/2010 | Charles Hugh Smith

Shoddy construction throughout the world, but especially in China and the U.S., is a type of malinvestment, and it will have consequences.

Everybody seems to know about China’s real estate bubble and brand new empty cities, but few seem to understand that maintenance is essentially non-existent.

Build it new, and when it gets “old” (say, 20 years), then tear it down and rebuild it in grand style. That has been the Chinese mindset since the Great Transformation launched in 1978 (”To get rich is glorious”).

But when real estate development becomes half of the economy, and literally thousands of highrise buildings have been thrown up, along with glitzy malls, U.S.-style suburban develpments, grand civic plazas, etc., then at some point there won’t be enough money in the Universe to tear them all down and rebuild them in a yet grander fashion.

If you have spent some time in China, then you already know building maintenance is not a priority, a recognized trade or even a concept which has a toehold in the mindshare of frenzied development and the pursuit of glorious riches.

Here is the U.S., a similar frenzy of get-rich-quick construction took hold in the bubble decade 2000-2007, and tens of thousands of McMansions were tossed together by inexperienced builders and crews. While the defective Chinese drywall installed in thousands of homes has recently made headlines, that is merely the tip of the iceberg in terms of defective, shoddy construction put in place in the go-go housing bubble years.

Here is a rare bit of unvarnished reporting on China’s shoddy construction, from a China Daily interview with a Big Nose (Westerner) bigshot in Beijing:

Poor construction quality keeps foreign property buyers away

I think people in China, for obvious reasons, don’t often think long term. People are more worried about things that may happen tomorrow or in the next two or three years, than they are about what may happen in 50 years. But at some stage in the future, people will start to think more about the long term.

The quickly built but cheaply made buildings in Beijing will not literally fall down, but will deteriorate. Wall paint will peel and elevators won’t work. Buildings will become uncomfortable because they will not have been properly maintained. That’s when people will start to realize they’ve paid a lot of money to buy a place in the Central Business District and they’ve paid management charges, but nothing works and everything looks really poor. But the developers will probably be long gone by then, so I’m not sure what people will do.

Many buildings in Beijing are built with the cheapest materials available, which tend to degrade quickly. This is a worryingly common phenomenon. There are many buildings here that appear as if they are 10 or 15 years old, but are really just five years old. That’s a little bit sad.

I have a 75-year-old apartment in New York, but it’s still in great condition. You don’t see that here. Fast and cheaply built apartment complexes dominate the property market here and there will be future consequences for this. And it might be apartment owners who end up paying them.

The apartment owners won’t have any money to do so because they make $8,000 a year and paid $200,000 for their apartment.

They (China’s leadership) are on this treadmill to hell because 50% to 60% of GDP is construction. And if they stop construction, you’ll see GDP growth go negative quickly. That’s not going to happen because in China, people are rewarded at almost every level of government for making their economic growth numbers. The easiest way to do this: put up another building. So they’re really hooked on this sort of heroin of real estate development.

The perception seems to be that China will grow out of this situation. But the problem with that argument is the real estate being built is not for the masses. This is not affordable housing for the middle class. This is high-end condos in major urban areas and high-end office buildings. Just to give you an idea, right now construction costs in China are starting to hit $100 to $150 per square foot in some cities. That doesn’t sound like a lot by Western standards, but it means a condominium basically presented to you with no floors, no walls, no appliances costs the average Chinese two-income couple $100,000 to $150,000 U.S. That Chinese two-income couple in their 30s probably makes combined $7,000 or $8,000 a year. You do the math. Even if they were making $10,000 to $15,000 a year, they couldn’t carry a $150,000 condo. This is very similar to someone making $40,000 in the U.S. at the height of our bubble buying a $600,000 or $800,000 house. We know how that ended.

You get rough concrete walls for your $150,000–no finished walls, no plumbing except stub-outs, no wiring except the panel box, no interior walls, and concrete floors. Even in China, where labor is still quite cheap, constructing your dwelling will cost a lot of money–$50,000 is a good ballpark number but it would be easy to spend more.

So the apartment costs 25 times the household’s gross income. For a U.S. household making $40,000 a year, that is the equivalent of buying a $1 million condo.

The folly is always based on the same premise: the government will never let real estate fall in value. Indeed, a collapse in price is impossible.

Unfortunately, the homeowners could build a beautiful, lavishly appointed home in their new highrise and find that the elevators no longer work in a few years. There are “homeowners’ associations” in these buildings but the fees are too modest to handle costly repairs like new roofing, exterior painting or elevator repair.

Here in the U.S., few understand that defective construction is extremely expensive to fix. Quickly built McMansions are primarily at risk of water damage from leaky flashing, windows, etc. Once water seeps in, then mold starts growing inside the walls, floors peel up, drywall crumbles, etc.

A few years without maintenance, and that shiny new development of McMansions becomes a “gated ghetto.” From bucolic bliss to ‘gated ghetto’ (Los Angeles Times)

Big builders have learned how to game the U.S. legal system to evade responsibility for defective construction–please see homeowners against deficient dwellings (HADD) for more on this and related issues. And of course, going bankrupt and disappearing always works, too.

Shelter is not the same as speculation. In the rush to get rich quick, the two have been seen as identical throughout the world. Speculation is a mindset, a frenzy of greed, numbers in an account, “the stuff dreams are made of;” shelter is a physical reality, an assemblage of materials in the tangible world which require care in assembly and in maintenance.

The difference between financial speculation and buildings will become ever more apparent in the coming decades as buildings built on the sands of speculations fall apart.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-04-14 12:19:46

As I recall, I read somewhere that 1/3 of the cause of global warming is the heat/pollution made during the manufacture of concrete.

Any references available for this?

Comment by pismoclam
2010-04-14 20:38:44

Reason for ‘global warming’ is the human body expells a liter of flatulance per day. Even after death for a period of time. If you’re Polish and eat lots of cabbage and sausage even more. Moon beam Kucinich from Ohio spouts more than that.Solution is Obamacare with the ‘Death Panels’!

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-04-14 12:53:21

Let’s not forget… they’re using Chinese drywall!

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-04-14 12:26:39

“…..took five years to replace the jobs lost in 2001…….”

Not mentioning of course, that the jobs weren’t actually “replaced”. They were replaced with “pseudo-jobs” that paid 20-40% less than the positions that were “lost”.

And they weren’t really “lost”. I know exactly where most of them went. “Displaced” might be a better word, since “outsourced” or “exported” might upset the krill.

This sugar-coating of cold, hard facts is our only growth industry.

Comment by VegasBob
2010-04-14 12:35:57

This sugar-coating of cold, hard facts is our only growth industry.

+1000

 
 
Comment by Lip
2010-04-14 15:39:22

“The IndyStar in Indiana. “Home prices in the Indianapolis area, which are still reeling from the housing bust that began in 2007, may not fully recover for another three years, a new study says.”

So its all going to be better by 2013? Who wrote this study? Suzanne???

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-04-14 15:41:05

Who wrote this study? Suzanne???

No, but she researched it.

 
 
Comment by Joseph
2010-04-14 16:14:26

I was waiting for the housing bubble to bust so I could do a Ruthless Acquisition before they had a chance to cut off all my credit, of which I had over 100k available, no debt, no job, and no income since 2006. I was living off of a capitol gain I made on a house I sold up north in mid 2004. I lived in my mothers basement waiting for the bust to reach max damage, and continuing to study the markets on blogs like this and others. Studying economics for 35 years has been my major hobby my whole life. The credit card companies offered me 1.9% in mid 09, at which time my available credit was down to about 50k, so I took about 40K. Oh yeah, my friends used to say, if I’m so smart about the markets why don’t I have a pot to piss in and live with my mother? I shut them up and now have 2 pots of my own to piss in.

The ruthless acquisition I made using unsecured debt would make Goldman Sachs proud and without guilt because people like them helped do away with any assemblance of moral hazard there may have been left. I bought a foreclosed house in Florida for 32K, 1900sf built in 2006 and originally sold for 310K that needed very little renovation, with the unsecured cash advances from the credit card companies. I knew I could do it with what I knew about the market but had no access to capitol from family or friends. So far I have been repaying the minimum balance on the cards but if they don’t give me a 50k/year job soon, those card payments may stop. Oh well, a bankruptcy will be next. Foreclosing on a fully paid off homestead in Florida by unsecured creditors is virtually impossible.

My story has many more wonderful details, but I’ll leave it at this for now. The moral of the story, don’t discount people living in their mothers basements. They can still surprise you.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-04-15 04:28:58

ingenious…i hope it works…

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-04-14 18:39:32
 
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