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Comment by Green Shoots
2010-05-05 23:18:00

Ignore the gloomsters and buy the dip. Always remember, the stock market always goes up, in the long run.
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Nick Godt’s Market Medics

May 6, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EDT

Stocks have miles to go before they sleep
Commentary: Market’s pullback could be heavier than any since March 2009

By Nick Godt, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Fresh experience from the 1990s stock bubble and the more recent housing bubble serves to remind that few ask questions when prices are steadily rising.

But as reader traffic numbers at popular financial news Web sites reveal, public interest is much higher in times of crises: It’s human nature to want to know what’s going on, where, why, and — if possible — when it will end.

These are increasingly tough questions to answer in the case of the European crisis. Debt markets, cajoled by massive government interventions ever since the big 2007-2009 plunge, are now facing economic and political reality, in other words, uncertainty.

With Greece trapped by the euro, it’s unable to have a normal currency slide to adjust to the situation. As noted by Mohamed El-Erian, chief executive and investment officer of bond-investment giant Pimco, solving the crisis could be a long, drawn-out process.

Yet with stocks now firmly focused on the crisis and its impact on other European countries and the euro-zone economy, the “when” question for stocks can only be measured in terms of how far the market had run up ahead of it, and how high bullish sentiment had risen.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-06 04:42:36

Well TPTB have been trying to sweep all that unpayable debt under ever bigger carpets…From Banks to F&F, and then putting F&F into governemt receivership. Greece is evidence that even governments aren’t a big enough carpet to hide all those bad assets under. It is a lesson that hope (but think unlikely) that the American people can learn before it’s too late.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-06 09:20:10

Agreed, though based upon what I’ve seen so far from the Bubble fallout, nobody will learn anything until it is way too late…

Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-06 09:53:46

People will often stridently and violently resist learning unpleasent truths, no matter how simple and self-evident they are.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 12:21:03

You’ve just summed up the history of the human race.

 
 
 
 
Comment by mugsy
2010-05-06 09:33:18

In the long run, we’re all dead-John Maynard Keynes

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-05-06 12:00:00

It seems like there are some shenanigans taking place on Wall St. right now, like the PPT is manipulating the tape. Marketwatch is showing that the market fell more than 1000 points to 9873, then mysteriously rocketed back up 600+ points in mere minutes? Huh?? What is going on?

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-05-06 12:11:41

This stock market is a totally rigged joke. The DOW showed a decline of more than 1000 points, with certain stocks like Apple, and PPG trading much lower. Then, all of a sudden, the market ROCKETS back up, and most of those declines are reversed, almost instantaneously.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-05-06 13:01:17

1000 points, with certain stocks like Apple, and PPG trading much lower. Then, all of a sudden, the market ROCKETS back up, and most of those declines are reversed, almost instantaneously.

I’ve seen this before.

The invisible hand of the free market is a beautiful thing.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 15:40:46

Jesus wants you to be successful. My megachurch television evangelist said so, right before he jetted off to give his blessing to a GOP candidate. Clearly HE reached down and pulled the market back from the abyss. Because HE loves the thieves in the temple.

Hey, wait a minute….

 
 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2010-05-06 12:48:12

I’m STILL waiting for my plain-vanilla market “buy” order for a bunch of SPY shares to go through. I placed it near the trough, and now the market springs back but my order is still listed as “open.” Fidelity sucks.

 
 
 
Comment by Green Shoots
2010-05-05 23:22:58

Time to buy the dip? Or would it be wiser to wait until *after* the Chinese property bubble bursts?

Thursday May 6, 2010

Bloomberg
China Stocks Fall to Seven-Month Low on EU, Property Concerns
May 06, 2010, 1:26 AM EDT

May 6 (Bloomberg) — China’s stocks declined, driving the benchmark index to a seven-month low, on concern a European debt crisis and Chinese government curbs on property will hurt economic growth.

Jiangxi Copper Co. and Aluminum Corp. of China Ltd., the nation’s biggest makers of the metals, dropped more than 3 percent as commodity prices plunged. China Vanke Co., the largest listed developer, fell 2.4 percent even after reporting higher April property sales. Huaxia Bank Co. slumped 10 percent after saying it plans to raise as much as 20.8 billion yuan ($3 billion) in a private placement to replenish capital.

In the long run, we face the risk of the property bubble bursting,” said Xu Lirong, who oversees about $2.6 billion at Franklin Templeton Sealand Fund Management Co. in Shanghai. “If that happens, it’ll be a catastrophe for the economy and the stock market.

The Shanghai Composite Index, which tracks the bigger of China’s stock exchanges, slid 66.10, or 2.3 percent, to 2,791.06 as of 1:12 p.m., set for its lowest close since Sept. 30. The CSI 300 Index retreated 2.8 percent to 2,952.28. Futures on the CSI 300 expiring on May 21, or the most active contract, lost 1.3 percent to 3,039.2.

The Shanghai gauge has slumped 15 percent in 2010, Asia’s worst performer, as the government unwound monetary stimulus and stepped up measures to prevent a housing bubble inflated by record lending last year. The gauge surged 80 percent in 2009.

Concern that the Greek fiscal crisis will spread through Europe drove losses among Asian stocks today, with the MSCI Asia Pacific Index erasing its gain this year. Moody’s Investors Service yesterday placed its Portugal rating on review for a possible downgrade. The European Union is China’s biggest export destination.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-05 23:25:38

“The Shanghai gauge has slumped 15 percent in 2010, Asia’s worst performer, as the government unwound monetary stimulus and stepped up measures to prevent a housing bubble inflated by record lending last year. The gauge surged 80 percent in 2009.”

Barn door left open
All of the horses are gone
Hurry, shut the door

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-05-06 00:39:38

How do you say “gargantuan bubble” in Chinese?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-05-06 05:09:11

Laod Bhang?

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Comment by palmetto
2010-05-06 05:28:28

+1. Now that’s just too funny, right there.

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2010-05-06 05:29:29

+1. Well done.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-06 07:17:42

Royd Brankfein

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-05-06 07:18:39

That’s like the Vietnamese town of Phuc Dup, where the real US military HQ (not MACV) was located.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-06 10:01:45

Phuc Dup = Washington D.C., in Vietnamese

 
 
 
 
Comment by Green Shoots
2010-05-06 00:06:00

Don’t worry about what happens in Asian or European stock markets; the U.S. market is fully decoupled from other parts of the global economy.

May 6, 2010, 12:25 a.m. EDT

Asian Shares Slide On Europe Woes; Japan Exporters Hit
By Leslie Shaffer

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SINGAPORE (MarketWatch) — Most Asian markets were sharply lower Thursday on increasing concerns over the spreading debt crisis in Europe, with Japanese exporters with high exposure to Europe taking a hit from the euro’s weakness.

“Flight to safety is the name of the game and anything that smells remotely of risk including Asian currencies is being sold off whilst safe havens such as US Treasuries and the USD are being bought,” said Credit Agricole Corporate & Investment Bank in a note to clients. “It is admittedly difficult to see what will reverse this trend and more pain and contagion is expected.”

Investors were spooked by riots in Greece in protests against austerity measures, and a warning by Moody’s Investors Service on Wednesday that it could cut Portugal’s Aa2 sovereign rating by up to two notches further heightened fears about contagion to the rest of Europe.

Japan’s Nikkei 225 dropped 3.1% on reopening after a three-day holiday, Australia’s S&P/ASX 200 shed 1.6%, South Korea’s Kospi lost 2.2% after being closed for a holiday Wednesday, China’s Shanghai Composite Index fell 1.7, Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index slipped 1.1% and India’s Sensex was down 0.5%. Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were 17 points higher in screen trade. :-)

In Japan, the euro’s weakness against the yen on Wednesday hurt exporters with a high exposure to Europe; Canon dropped 3.3%, Mazda shed 5.3% and Nikon was down 3.1%.

Fujitsu shed 1.1%, but outperformed the market when the company said Friday after the market closed that it swung to a net profit in its fiscal fourth quarter, thanks to restructuring of its chip business and the sale of unprofitable hard-disk drive operations. It also said it expects operating profit for its current fiscal year to come in around Y185 billion, stronger than the Y175.28 billion consensus forecast of 17 brokerages compiled by Tokyo-based financial news data provider Quick.

Bank and property stocks in China continued to suffer on persistent worries about more possible monetary tightening measures from the government. “The concerns about policy tightening, possible further fund-raising from banks and also weakness from the U.S. and European markets,” are hurting sentiment, said Qian Qimin from Shenyin Wanguo Securities. China Construction Bank was down 1.7%, Bank of China fell 1.5% while China Vanke slipped 1.9% and Poly Real Estate was 3.3% lower.

Financial stocks took a hit in South Korea and Australia. In Korea, KB Financial was down 5.2% and Woori Finance shed 5.2% amid increased global uncertainty.

In Australia, Westpac dropped 4.5% despite reporting first half net profit rose 32% from a year earlier to a record A$2.88 billion, as the stock met a slew of analyst downgrades, with RBS saying the bank is “running on one cylinder.”

The only source of net profit growth was the fall in the bad debt charge. With the easy gains on bad debts over and doubts about revenue growth, WBC’s premium is no longer warranted,” RBS said.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-06 05:19:12

They need themselves one of them soft landings, just like we’re having.

Maybe they can reverse engineer it, using ours as an example?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 06:17:13

“Moody’s Investors Service yesterday placed its Portugal rating on review for a possible downgrade.”

Rating Agencies = “TrueSerialEnablers™”

“The European Union is China’s biggest export destination.”

China = “TrueBambooLie™”

 
Comment by rentor
2010-05-06 10:07:13

Shouldn’t the Indian stock market have a similar decline. They too have foaming bubbles.

http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?s=%24bse Indian stock market
http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?s=%24ssec chinese market

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 15:45:52

Next time I talk to “Irvin in Great Falls” who’s handling my tech support call, I’ll be sure to ask him for his observations on the current business climate in Mumbai.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 15:42:04

China in crisis scares the hell out of me. They’ll divert the masses by blaming the foreign devils. Who tend to look like me.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-05 23:36:15

Heh heh… I somehow missed this recent story of the seemingly-dormant subprime volcano erupting and spewing ashes on to Wall Street.

P.S. Thank you, God, for timing the Icelandic volcano eruption to follow right on the heels of their banking system’s collapse. Could you please, please reactivate the nearest volcano to Wall Street and trigger a similar event some time soon?

Nick Godt’s Market Medics

April 17, 2010, 8:56 a.m. EDT
Ashes of subprime volcano fall on Wall Street
Commentary: The economy matters more than Goldman

By Nick Godt, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — It was mostly smooth sailing for stocks during the first week of earnings until Friday, when news of Goldman Sachs’ troubles with regulators cast over Wall Street a cloud of uncertainty almost as thick as the volcanic ash above Iceland.

Friday’s news that the Securities and Exchange Commission is charging Goldman Sachs (GS 148.19, -1.26, -0.84%) with fraud over its handling of securities tied to subprime mortgages felt more like another unexpected aftershock of the financial-crisis earthquake.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average (INDU 10,868, -58.65, -0.54%) sank 125 points, although it stayed above the 11,000 mark. The Chicago Board Options Exchange volatility index, or (VIX 24.91, +1.07, +4.49%) , also known as the market’s fear gauge, jumped or 15% after plumbing 30-month lows all week.

The broad S&P 500 index (SPX 1,166, -7.73, -0.66%) lost all of its weekly gains in one day and fell for the first week in seven.

The fact that regulators were looking into Wall Street firms’ shady practices in the wake of the most devastating financial crisis and economic downturns since the 1929 crash and the Great Depression shouldn’t have been a surprise to investors.

But in some ways, it was similar to the way Iceland, one of the industrialized countries most hit by the financial crisis, brought itself back at the top of media headlines as its erupting volcano grounded thousands of intercontinental flights.

The eruption of the Iceland volcano had been monitored by air traffic controllers for a while.

“We’ve known about this for weeks,” a British Airways pilot told me after he became stranded in New York City on Thursday while flights going back to the U.K. were postponed.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-06 21:07:21

Perhaps my request for a volcano on Wall Street was a bit over the top; but earthquakes can have a similarly devastating effect.

MarketWatch First Take

May 6, 2010, 8:33 p.m. EDT

Earthquake on Wall Street
Commentary: Market’s wild ride rattles already fragile confidence
900-point earthquake rattles Wall Street
By MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — A couple of hours after the close and there’s still no official explanation for the stock market’s hair-raising plunge Thursday.

At one point the Dow Jones Industrial Average (INDU 10,520, -347.87, -3.20%) was down 992 points. By the time it was all over, a mere 348-point decline for the day didn’t look so bad.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-05 23:54:39

Blowing bubbles

* May 5th 2010, 21:05 by R.A. | WASHINGTON

POP QUIZ: was the American housing boom based on fundamentals or was it entirely driven by speculation? A silly question, you say. Bubbles typically begin to inflate based on fundamentals-driven price signals, and they later graduate to unsustainable increases as credit expands and new buyers enter the market to speculate that prices will rise indefinitely. The answer, then isn’t either-or, it’s both-and. Or rather, one then the other.

Casey Mulligan seems to struggle with this concept in a new post at Economix. He writes:

Inflation-adjusted housing prices and housing construction boomed from 2000 to 2006 and crashed thereafter. Commentators ranging from President Obama to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke have described that cycle as a “bubble,” by which they mean that, at least in hindsight, the housing price boom was divorced from market fundamentals.

But maybe there was a good, rational reason for housing prices to increase over the last decade.

Or maybe there was a good, rational reason for housing prices to increase in many markets, but in an environment of rapid credit expansion and growth in new buyers the housing price boom became divorced from market fundamentals. Contra Mr Mulligan, these explanations are complementary, not in conflict with each other.

His damning piece of evidence is this chart:

(CHART IN LINKED ARTICLE SHOWS U.S. REAL ESTATE CORRECTION IS BARELY PAST HALF WAY OVER)

Prices have not fallen all the way back to the level we’d expect if demand had remained constant from the 1990s. Based on this, Mr Mulligan concludes that fundamentals may explain “a large fraction” of the previous decade’s price increases.

Now it’s possible that the leveling off we’ve observed is due to government interventions, and prices will soon resume falling. But even if we simply take this chart and Mr Mulligan’s hypothesis as they are, this conclusion seems daft:

[A]nother interpretation is that a large fraction of the housing price boom was justified by fundamentals…If so, we are probably asking too much of the Federal Reserve and other regulators to accurately disentangle bubbles from fundamentals the next time that asset prices rise.

Really? According to Mr Mulligan’s own logic, the whole of the 20% increase in prices charted here involved a movement “divorced from market fundamentals” (and in the big bubble markets, values rose by 100% or more through this period). Is he really suggesting that we shouldn’t expect regulators to get that something fishy is going on under such circumstances?

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-06 09:23:51

Hahaha… “fundamentals” support the current high prices?!

“Fundamentals” such as: government give-aways, FHA “almost no money down” loans, the Shadow Inventory and the resulting artificial reduction in the number of available homes for sale, Bailouts for all, etc.

Oh, yeah… definitely “fundamentals” are the cause of the still high housing prices… nothing to see here - move along!

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-06 10:15:05

If you are looking at fundamentals, housing starts and sales should have been FALLING since 2000, since average J6P’s actual take-home income has been falling since then……and it would have, if banks continued what was regarded as “normal” lending standards from, say, 1995.

The whole economy since 2000 has been built on “If you can fog a mirror, you can get a loan” financing.

In fact, you didn’t even have to fog the mirror…..My deceased brother in law “bought” a new $40,000 Ford truck, six weeks after his death in 2006.

Comment by Kirisdad
2010-05-06 11:15:50

Not only get a loan, but get the best rate. A friend, who is undergoing a modification (making credit rating questionable), just bought a brand new Chrysler, and got a 6 yr 1.9% finance rate. Cheap money/loose lending has not gone away.

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Comment by mugsy
2010-05-06 09:35:47

This “professor” shames all Mulligan’s everywhere! Now I’m a euphimism for a bad golf shot AND a dopey economist!

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-06 09:51:12

In a nutshell - our government is fundamentally corrupt, and the housing bubble was based on that.

So yes, you could say inflated prices are based on fundamentals. :)

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-05 23:59:21

Whenever I read about a research article which absolves the Fed from housing bubble culpability, three questions immediately come into mind:

1) Did the Fed provide grant funding for the study?
2) Are the authors hoping to some day work at the Fed?
3) Does at least one of the authors already work at the Fed?

UPDATE 1-Research may exonerate Fed for housing bubble
Wed May 5, 2010 5:06pm EDT

* Home prices rose 74 pct from 2000 to 2006

* Lower rates only account for gain of about 10 pct

* Authors blame bubble on psychology, tax incentives (Adds comment from Fed critic and study co-author)

BOSTON, May 5 (Reuters) - Low interest rates and loose lending policies were not to blame for the nationwide boom and subsequent crash in U.S. home prices over the past decade, according to a new paper by three university researchers released on Wednesday.

Contrary to conventional wisdom blaming the Federal Reserve for keeping rates too low or failing to enforce tighter mortgage standards, the paper blames “faulty expectations” of buyers and lenders who believed home prices would rise indefinitely.

“If economists are going to better understand housing bubbles, we will surely need to accept that home buyers often have very exuberant beliefs about housing prices,” the authors concluded.

The study was written by Edward Glaeser, a professor of economics at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government; Joseph Gyourko, a University of Pennsylvannia professor of real estate; and Harvard graduate student Joshua Gottlieb.

Presented on Wednesday at a conference on the roots of the housing crisis at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, the paper analyzed a variety of nationwide housing market data from 1980 through 2008.

The researchers found a 1.0 percent decline in real interest rates typically led to an 8.0 percent increase in home prices. Real rates on 10-year Treasury bonds used to set mortgage rates declined by 1.3 percent from 2000 to 2006, accounting for only about a 10 percent increase in prices.

Similarly, lending standards eased during the bubble years but not enough to explain the huge price moves, the paper found. Mortgage loans were made at an average of 84 percent of the value of homes in 1998, suggesting a 16 percent down payment, compared to a loan-to-value ratio of 88 percent, or a 12 percent down payment, by 2006.

We found no statistically meaningful relationship between house value and the down payment size,” the authors concluded.

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Comment by CincyDad
2010-05-06 06:19:33

When I first started trying to figure out the housing bubble some 5 years ago, I remember sending an email to a friend where I speculated that low interest rates were a major factor in the boom (along with the lax lending standards).

My reasoning being that the effects of low interest rates were CONCENTRATED in one particular sector of the economy.

When the economy sputters, lowering interest rates (increasing avialable money) is a natural thing for the FED to do. The expectation was that it would find its way into the hands of companies who would expand and hire. However, in the past decade, companies have seen little demand for new capacity here in the US, so they had no appetite for expansion. Therefore, the excess money had to go somewhere.

In my mind, the FED errored in 2 ways: 1) not realizing that corporate expansion in the US was not going to happen, and 2) not realizing that the money was creating a bubble elsewhere, and putting a stop to it.

Had the FED’s money pooled in any place other than housing, it would not have caused anywhere near the problem that it did. Other sectors of the economy (companies, R&D startups, etc) are managed by professionals (not Joe the plumber) and are not nearly as leveraged. The bubble could have flowed into R&D, infrastructure updates, education, etc. While still a problem, a bubble in those areas at least serves some “investment” purposes for the future economy.

Putting the excess liquidity into the hands of highly leveraged financial illiterates (ie home buyers) was a terrible mistake.

Comment by rms
2010-05-06 07:39:45

About fifteen years ago I read a newspaper story about the massive wealth accumulated by the boomers, and their children stood to benefit from the largest wealth inheritance in human history. I thought to myself, pessimistically, how is Wall street going to steal it. Of particular interest to me were the public large pension groups like CalPERS and CalSTRS since I was living in California at the time. Today, I have my answer.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-06 07:43:36

“I thought to myself, pessimistically, how is Wall street going to steal it.”

Perhaps through a credit-fueled asset price volatility shake down?

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-05-06 08:13:33

So,is the study saying “real estate always goes up” is to blame .
The real truth is lenders relied on “real estate always goes up” ,therefore they breached their duty to underwrite loans and
prevent fraud with hit the mark appraisals ,creating a false demand of speculation in which the borrowers didn’t even really qualify . You can’t separate faulty lending and fraud from
fake inflated prices . Again ,the lenders will try to do anything to absolve their role in funding the fake mania . It was a Ponzi-scheme that Wall Street was making billions on ,not to mention they were getting the ill-gotten money by mis-rating securities .

Now we have to kick in 39 billion to bail out Greece . How is Globalism working out for everybody ?

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-06 08:12:12

Is it really the Boomers who have all that wealth to transfer, or is it the generation before them?

Lotsa stats say the Boomers, as a group, are near broke. Heck, anytime I go to the bank there’s always plenty of fifty and sixty somethings sons and daughters helping seventy or eighty something “moms” get to her safe deposit box.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-05-06 08:56:44

Right edgewater john ….where is the beef .

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-05-06 09:02:24

Yup, moving back home to “take care” of mom and her assets. I see it everywhere - the Baby Boomerang generation.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-06 09:36:07

That’s the way I see it. Many late boomers have more financial similarities with the Gen Xers. They may be successful career wise but somewhere in their past is a parent sittting on the real wealth. You have to admit when Mom & Dad bought in 1954 and never moved that’s a real nice wealth accumulation base. My aunt and uncle’s mortgage payment 5 miles from the beach was $19 before they paid it off. Ha ha! They bought in the early 60s and are still there. Truth be told around here much of the money goes back many generations and even survived the Depression. It’ll be interesting to see how this generation does with it this time.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-05-06 09:37:46

Lotsa stats say the Boomers, as a group, are near broke.

Near broke, or with finances constantly in a volatile or uncertain state; e.g., too much “wealth” tied up in an unsalable house or a fluctuating 401K they really shouldn’t touch yet. Those Boomers sure can spend and accumulate debt like nobody’s business, however.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 12:29:47

Most of the boomers were/are just as much at the mercy of our unstable economy, and therefor job market, as anyone.

Except for the lucky and-don’t-even-know-it few, having to change jobs every 5 years will destroy anyone’s personal finances.

 
Comment by mathguy
2010-05-06 15:00:41

eco:

Why do you say that? If you are saving 10% of your paycheck, and you change jobs without having months and months of unemployment, why should it affect your personal finances?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 16:32:46

Inflation. Possible moving costs for new job. Even a few months of UE can put a dent in your savings. Loss of benefits.

Many can’t save because they just weren’t/aren’t making a whole lot to begin with. Often the new job doesn’t pay what the old one did. And the benefits cost more than the old ones did.

And then you have your life emergencies.

Disruptions of any kind just plain cost money.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-05-06 21:58:51

Child support.

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-06 09:25:58

Yep!

Can’t let the peons keep their wealth!

But, hey - Goldman and the rest were just doing “God’s work” or so we’re told…

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Comment by packman
2010-05-06 10:04:44

IMO a huge understated part of the problem is the timing of the lower interest rates.

They happened:
A. After the housing bubble had gotten going (by early 2002 prices were already up 50% over just a 5-year period), and
B. After the recent stock market crash

Thus people were looking somewhere else to put their money, after having been burned in the dot-com bust, and housing became it, because prices were going up fairly fast already, and housing was still viewed as one of the safest all-time investments. The lower interest rates were the icing on the cake, allowing people to “afford” way more home than they otherwise would.

And the notion that interest rates only contributed 10% to the bubble is absolutely ludicrous. Yeah they didn’t get it started (in the late 90’s), but anyone who’s ever bought a house knows how big a role interest rates play in the decision, especially when you view housing as an “investment” rather than as a place to live. Low interest rates very much drove the bubble in its mid-term 2002-2005 heyday.

I attended a seminar in the early 2000’s on investing in rentals (thank God I didn’t actually follow through). Anyone who’s familiar with housing investments knows that interest rates are by far the biggest single factor in the investment returns equation. Just a couple of percentage points difference in mortgage rates translates to 10’s of percentage points in investment returns, due to the leverage. That easily can make the difference on whether you spend your money on rental properties vs. the stock market or other investments.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-05-06 11:30:18

..but anyone who’s ever bought a house knows how big a role interest rates play in the decision, especially when you view housing as an “investment” rather than as a place to live.

i don’t get that..

Seems to me that if i plan on fixing and flipping a house, the interest rate wouldn’t matter at all. As an investor, I have no intention paying interest for 30 weeks, much less 30 years.

otoh, if i plan on living there, interest rate is a huge concern..

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Comment by packman
2010-05-06 13:13:26

I’m talking about landlords, not flippers - i.e. buying houses to rent out.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-05-06 13:45:32

I agree that low interest rates are of concern to long-term investors, just as they would be to buyers who plan on living there forever..

During the bubble, who bought houses or apartments with the intention of holding and renting them out long term?
Almost nobody.

I know one person who did it.. bought 10 little shacks .. a sort of ten-plex.
Fixed one unit, rented it out and fixed another, meanwhile living in one of the unfixed units. But even he was planning on only a two year stretch max, before flipping them all. (He’s stuck with them at the moment.. 4 years and counting)
—–

If bubble-buyers were predominantly flippers, low interest rates were a minor factor.

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-06 14:01:40

During the bubble, who bought houses or apartments with the intention of holding and renting them out long term?
Almost nobody.

Way, way wrong. I personally know of several people who did. In most cases many of the rental homes are now foreclosed.

It was very common. During rising price periods buying and holding actually is a lot better way to make money than flipping, since you get the same gains without as much overhead of transaction costs. Even though flipping was common, so was buying rentals. Though “rentals” should probably be in quotes - lots of people bought them with only weak/vague attempts to actually rent them out, towards the end.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-05-06 14:19:00

Even if long-term investment was fairly common, what effect would holding property have on prices? Almost none.

We can’t blame the bubble on sensible long-term RE investment techniques. Since interest rates are a long term concern, we can’t blame interest rates either.

A bubble’s rapid expansion requires massive and repeated short term ownership and turnover..

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-06 14:34:48

Even if long-term investment was fairly common, what effect would holding property have on prices? Almost none.

This is only true in a stable market. The problem is there was a massive amount of new people buying homes for renting. There were a lot of new people getting into the game in part because prices were going up (i.e. speculation), and in part because interest rates were so low (”fundamentals” - albeit short-term ones).

The two go hand-in-hand. There was both lots of turnover from flipping, and lots of people buying “investment” properties for the purpose of renting. This happens in every bubble, including stock bubbles - lots of people buy stocks on the way up that aren’t day traders - they intend to hold them long-term to take advantage of the gains they think will continue to happen.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-05-06 16:21:19

Bubbles happen when everyone is positive prices will only rise.
Nothing else really matters.. not the price they pay today.. not the monthly payment..not a mortgage reset next year.. not even the loss of a job. Rising prices can cure anything.

That someone could be sober enough to view low interest rates as an opportunity to invest, while missing the fact that they couldn’t pay the mortgage for more than a few months, is hard to fathom. Without price appreciation, they were doomed.

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-06 19:14:20

Joey - there’s only so much dot connection I’m going to do for you. You’re on your own.

Perhaps try browsing through some HBB posts from back in 2007ish, or even 2008 - there were plenty of examples of speculators doing the rental thing.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-05-06 20:37:22

heh.. that was really weird..

I didn’t read posts prior to yours, packman, but your inference that investors are concerned about interest rates at the bottom of the thread caught my eye.

In my experience, investors use leverage to the max, and generally have a solid plan that allows a cheap entrance and a quick exit.
Interest rates.. well.. not a big concern if you’re in for less than a couple years..
——

So, thinking maybe I was mistaken or was on the wrong track I just now went up and read the post that started the thread and it’s like– It’s what I’ve been saying here. Whoever wrote that story confirms what I’ve been saying.
I swear I didn’t read it before 5 minutes ago..

BOSTON, May 5 (Reuters) - Low interest rates and loose lending policies were not to blame for the nationwide boom and subsequent crash…

..the paper blames “faulty expectations” of buyers and lenders who believed home prices would rise indefinitely…

..we will surely need to accept that home buyers often have very exuberant beliefs about housing prices,” the authors concluded…

..lending standards eased during the bubble years but not enough to explain the huge price moves.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-05-06 22:24:32

I wrote something that might possibly be taken the wrong way, and I want to make sure it isn’t.

That someone could be sober enough to view low interest rates as an opportunity to invest, while missing the fact that they couldn’t pay the mortgage for more than a few months, is hard to fathom.

“That “someone”" means home buyers. Not you, packman.
—–

Second attempt:
For a home buyer to be thoughtful enough to see low interest rates as an opportunity to invest long-term, and yet miss the fact that they had not a prayer of making more than a few payments without considerable and immediate price appreciation, is unfathomable..

 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-05-06 10:04:11

Also ask
Are the authors from the American Enterprise Institute, or some other propaganda arm for big banks.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-05-06 12:36:50

I notice they say nothing about the banks underwriting as it regards to income to loan value.

I’d be willing to bet you’d show a 2.3 LTI valuation shoot up to 5.9 or worse!

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-06 00:18:43

Mother of all things large and small!! Can’t we force them to quit backing loans already?! What on earth does it take for us to wake up?

Freddie Mac needs another $10.6 billion

“NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Freddie Mac on Wednesday requested another $10.6 billion handout from the federal government.

The housing finance company, which reported an $8 billion quarterly loss, was put into conservatorship by the government during the height of the financial panic in September 2008 along with its twin Fannie Mae (FNM, Fortune 500).

Freddie has already received $50.7 billion from the Treasury Department. Fannie Mae has so far gotten $76.2 billion.

Since the housing collapse began in 2008, Freddie and Fannie have been propping up the mortgage market.”

Comment by 2banana
2010-05-06 07:34:18

Too many voters votes to buy…

2010 is a mid term election year.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-06 09:27:50

Yep, and the vast majority of the population just wants the Bubble back, hence this idiocy will continue. Gotta get housing back to super-unaffordable with staggering price increases each year! Jobs? Jobs? We don’t need those - let’s all live on HELOC’s and flipping instead!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 03:24:49

Freddie Mac asks U.S. for $10 billion as losses pile up
Washington Post ~ May 6, 2010

Freddie Mac, the bailed-out mortgage-finance giant, reported Wednesday that it continues to lose money and needs an additional $10.6 billion in assistance from U.S. taxpayers.

The most recent earnings report follows three straight quarters in which the McLean-based company did not need infusions from the Treasury. Still, the firm is struggling to recover from the mortgage-market meltdown; it reported a net loss of $6.7 billion in the first quarter of 2010, compared with a loss of $9.9 billion a year ago.

Freddie Mac is turning to the Treasury again mostly because of a change in accounting. Revised rules that took effect this year require companies such as Freddie to move all mortgages they guarantee — but don’t own — onto their books. This shift alone caused the company’s equity to drop by $11.7 billion, helping to plunge its net worth into the red.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 03:30:02

European Union, Currency Are Headed for Collapse: CNBC

The current European debt crisis likely will not end until the euro collapses as a currency and takes the entire European Union with it, said Dennis Gartman, hedge fund manager and author of “The Gartman Letter.”

“I think the whole thing will go down to defeat, the whole thing will eventually unravel,” Gartman said in an interview with CNBC.com.

Gartman said he doesn’t have a specific timetable for how long it will take for the collapse of the 17-year-old EU, but said, “it doesn’t look good.”

Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-06 03:42:37

Well, it doesn’t look THAT bad to me, just as I don’t expect the United States to collapse as lots of states and municipalities go under.

But it could be 1970s and early 1980s bad, for a decade or more.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-06 04:49:07

I wonder whether what we have here is a problem with nomenclature. What would you call a 20-50% decline in the value of the Euro? “Collapse” probaby isn’t TOO strong a term for the headlines, and it’s likely that as economies sink, ever increasing European economic integration will become politically untennable. But much as these possibilities look unpleasent, they hardly represent the apocalypse.

 
 
Comment by Ernest
2010-05-06 04:33:23

Who knows where this all stops but it sure is interesting that as the pundits insist the ‘recovery’ is underway, it is a jobless recovery, foreclosures are still rising, state governments are worse than broke and Iceland, Greece, Spain, Portugal et al are imploding. If this is a recovery I’d hate to see worse.

Comment by palmetto
2010-05-06 05:00:01

I’m not trying to harsh your buzz, but anecdotally, we seem to have new jobs available in this area all of a sudden. Nothing major, mind you, but a couple of new or re-organized business enterprises that are hiring. Actually it’s more employment opportunity than even before the crash. Weird.

Also the month of April was pretty good for my line of business around here, best it has been for a few years. Of course, May is the real test. Traditionally May and September stink.

I am also noticing that more residents of this retirement community seem to be sticking around after the season. Looks like some “snowbirds” have had their wings clipped. That may be good for the local service sector, however, it does indicate that rather than going back and forth between Florida and wherever they’re from, they have to stick with a location and stay put, probably for economic reasons.

Comment by combotechie
2010-05-06 05:15:32

“Nothing major, mind you, but a couple of new or re-organized business enterprises that are hiring.”

“new or re-organized”

“new” = fresh capital

“re-orgainzed” = restructured capital.

Fresh capital or restructured capital means the debt burdens have been or are being handled. Now all that is needed are customers.

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Comment by Ernest
2010-05-06 06:39:44

With all the money that has been pumped into the sytem it would seem there can’t help but be an upswing of some sort but of course is it real or memorex? There does seem to be some bright spots but again is it business of substance or like housing will it reverse course once the government tap/tax break is withdrawn? Personally we are having the worst spring since we have been open with no apparent remedy in sight. Could change tomorrow but as of now our business has slowly been deteriorating since last summer. Spring has traditionally been our strongest quarter . The real question is can goverment injection fix what ails us?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-06 05:24:30

“I’d hate to see worse.”

I refer you to the years 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 for a couple of historical examples of worse.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 06:22:48

It’s 3 days to Saturday Mid-nite, anyone wishing to give Mr. Bear a run for his money for this week’s “Eeyore Award” and better get at it! ;-)

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-05-06 10:12:27

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the “Eeyore Award”?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 11:00:38

:-) (Given weekly)

Eeyore Award: The person that “posts the most” precise & concise comments that have the tone of Eeyore:

(Spoken with a dismal, grumpy, forlorn type of disposition)

Eeyore: “Oh, great another wonderful day…”, or: “Oh, great another birthday party to attend…”, or: “Oh, great another FED rate reduction to .00013%” or:

Eeyore:

He is generally characterized as a pessimistic, gloomy, depressed, miserable, old grey stuffed donkey who is a friend of the title character, Winnie-the-Pooh.

Eeyore is also surprisingly good at the game Poohsticks, winning more times than anyone else when it is played.

(Note: Poohsticks is similar to Whack-a-Troll) ;-)

Eeyore lives in the southeast corner of the Hundred Acre Wood, in an area labeled “Eeyore’s Gloomy Place: Rather Boggy and Sad” on the map in the book. He has a stick house therein, which collapses rather regularly, called The House at Pooh Corner. Pooh and Piglet built it for him after accidentally mistaking the original house that Eeyore built for a pile of sticks.

He has a poor opinion of most of the other animals in the Forest, describing them as having “No brain at all, some of them”, “only grey fluff that’s blown into their heads by mistake” (from chapter 1 of The House at Pooh Corner).

Eeyore’s favorite food is thistles.

 
Comment by Big V
2010-05-06 11:12:22

I LOVE Eeyore.

I love him, I love him, I LOVE HIM!

 
Comment by rms
2010-05-06 11:28:16

Horton is my hero; never quit!

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-06 07:00:28

The mindset of the West today is remarkably similar to Europe’s mindset prior to 1914. Unquestioning faith in technology, world commerce, science, self regulation, etc. (lots of good books on this, BTW)

Most had no idea what was coming, no idea at all. They too believed mankind had become too enlightened to ever have a major war or depression again.

They went into a quaint summer skirmish on horseback, and in the time it takes to pay off a typical mortgage, they had the ability to vaporize a city.

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Comment by packman
2010-05-06 10:38:43

Most had no idea what was coming, no idea at all. They too believed mankind had become too enlightened to ever have a major war or depression again.

Yes. That’s why after WW1 everyone said “Well - that was weird! Now that we’ve learned our lesson that’ll never happen again”, and promptly named it The War to End All Wars.

Then we learned about hubris. And had another big war.

At which point we decided maybe this movie has more sequels than we thought, and started just numbering them.

 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-05-06 07:36:08

The Euro went from .80 to 1.50 per $ in time frame and nobody said boo.

If it goes down to even .70 - it is a collapse or just the normal flow of things…???

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-05-06 10:17:50

If I recall correctly, the Euro was introduced at par with the US dollar, and in a relatively short period of time it fell to .80.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 12:32:51

I’ve been hearing about the collapse of the Euro since the day it was created.

Wake me when it actually happens.

Comment by packman
2010-05-06 13:18:04

Wake up eco - it’s happening before your eyes.

It’d down 10% vs. the also-weak dollar in just three weeks.

Just today it’s down 7% vs. the Yen. It’s now down 40% vs. the Yen since the crash began.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 13:22:27

Big deal. Ever hear of Forex?

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Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 04:00:28

Greece says bailout is only hope, austerity measures must be taken, day after 3 die in riots

ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Greece’s only hope of avoiding bankruptcy is to take money from a joint EU and International Monetary Fund rescue package, the finance minister said Thursday during a heated Parliamentary debate overshadowed by the deaths of three people during protests against spending cuts.

Greece has to impose harsh austerity measures, including slashing salaries and pensions and increasing taxes, in order to get money from the euro110 billion three-year package, which will provide the country with loans from other eurozone countries and the IMF.

The loans are aimed at containing the debt crisis and keeping Greece’s troubles from spreading to other countries with vulnerable state finances such as Portugal and Spain. The euro has sagged as those countries have seen debt downgrades, falling below $1.28 Thursday; late last year it was as high as euro1.51.

The cuts have sparked outrage in Greece, with an estimated 100,000 people spilling onto the streets of Athens during a nationwide general strike Wednesday to protest the measures.

Demonstrations quickly turned violent, with protesters trying to storm parliament and clashing with police in extensive riots that saw banks, stores and hotel windows smashed and two buildings burned. A man and two women — one of whom was pregnant — died when they became trapped in a burning bank torched by protesters. Firefighters used a crane to rescue another four people from the building’s balconies.

 
Comment by octal77
2010-05-06 04:21:07

Thought for the day:

If legal liabilities and judgements against BP sink the company,
would BP be bailed out under the “too big to fail” theory?

Comment by arizonadude
2010-05-06 06:27:53

Of course.Oil is a national security issue.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-05-06 06:42:25

The initials “BP” stands for …

Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-05-06 07:10:53

“Beyond Petroleum”. At least that’s what they want you to believe.

They probably wish they really were beyond petroleum, right about now.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-06 15:49:13

Actually, they’ve been moving back toward petroleum. Foreign Policy has a good article, which also elaborates on their (highly successful) greenwashing effort.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-06 07:19:01

Busted Pipe

Comment by Shizo
2010-05-06 07:58:01

Bologna Pony… Bend over, it is time for a ride.

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-05-06 09:38:56

Gah!

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 11:06:49

“Bill Please…”

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-05-06 11:56:22

When Britain first, at Heaven’s command
Arose from out the azure main;
This was the charter of the land,
And guardian angels sang this strain:
“Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
“Britons never will be slaves.”

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 12:34:06

BP isn’t going away in our lifetimes.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 04:46:21

Creepy Pennsylvania Tax Agency Ad Goes Big Brother
FOXNews.com

A threatening TV commercial appearing in Pennsylvania has residents of the state spooked by its “Orwellian” overtones, and critics are calling it a government attempt to scare delinquent citizens into paying back taxes.

In the 30-second ad, ominous mechanical sounds whir in the background as a satellite camera zooms in through the clouds and locks onto an average Pennsylvania home. The narrator begins her cold and calculating message:

Your name is Tom … You live just off of 5th Street … Nice car, Tom — nice house. What’s not so nice is you owe Pennsylvania $4,212 in back taxes. Listen Tom, we can make this easy. Pay online by June 18th and we’ll skip your penalty and take half off your interest because Tom, we do know who you are.

The satellite snares its target — Tom’s house — and the screen flashes another menacing line as the ad peters out:

Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-06 05:10:46

What, exacty, is WRONG with scaring people into paying their taxes? Lets face it, the reason that they take people to court and sometimes put them in jail is NOT to make those particular individuals pay their taxes, but to scare the rest of us into paying ours. Most people do what is expected of them and little more. So unlike Greece, we want to make sure that people realize that paying their taxes IS expected of them.

Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 06:45:35

What, where is your compassion? These aren’t bad people, they just made bad choices. It’s not nice to scare people, it may damage their self esteem. A 100% tax amnesty would be a better solution, give them a clean slate to start over on the right track. Besides they probably would pay if they could just get another HELOC.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-06 06:50:10

Perhaps nothing would be wrong if the standards and laws were applied equally. IMHO, that’s what really irks Americans today - not any specific policy - so much as the endless double standards and hypocrisy. That’s the acid that is dissolving the social fabric.

Politicians, and their legions of lapdog apologists, think they can keep this behavior up idefinately.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-05-06 07:26:54

Pennsylvania tax collectors went way beyond the pale when we lived there, insisting we owed them tax on the gain of a house we sold in another state OVER A YEAR BEFORE we moved to Pennsylvania. It took a fair amount of work gathering and sending them records to prove we didn’t owe taxes. Ever tried to prove a negative?

Then they tried coming after us for taxes for the calendar year after we left the state.

Happiness was Pennsylvania in our rear view mirror.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 12:38:58

Holy moly!

Most people I know who have either lived or been on an extended visit to PA have never had a nice thing to say about that state.

 
Comment by Jim A
2010-05-06 18:49:21

Hey they have to pay for all that perpetual roadwork somehow…

 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-06 06:00:06

“Your name is Tom …”

My name is Humpty, pronounced with a Umpty.

Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-06 08:58:26

I’m spunky, I like my oatmeal lumpy…

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-05-06 09:26:34

Burger King workers…you may want to lock your bathrooms.

Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-05-06 11:41:08

I’ll never forget the whole bus singing along to Humpty Dance in Jr. High School. Then the whole tickle your rear phrase hits and the chaperons go nuts.

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Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-06 11:50:32

My band morphed from Donovan’s “Season of the Witch” into the Humpty last gig. Don’t ask why or how. I just “felt it”, so I went for it. I believe that there was booze involved…

 
 
 
 
Comment by james
2010-05-06 11:35:51

Hello Pennsylvannia,

This is your bondholders. We’ve had to sieze your satelite because you missed some payments.

Please stop asking for it back. When you come to settle up bring gold not fiatsco’s.

Thanks
Goldman

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 12:40:22

:lol: :thumbup:

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 15:50:09

Ron Paul just picked up a bunch of new supporters in PA, I’m thinking.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 04:51:46

Why a Criminal Case Against Goldman Sachs Matters and Why Charges Could Stick By PAM MARTENS

Goldman Sachs used to be the firm that pursued top government posts; now government is in hot pursuit of it, and not in a good way. The SEC has charged the firm and an employee, Fabrice Tourre, with securities fraud and the Justice Department has commenced a criminal investigation, according to news reports.

Change appears to be swallowing Goldman Sachs. It began quietly moving out of its storied and staid headquarters at 85 Broad last Fall to flashy new multi-billion dollar digs at 200 West Street, including a 54,000 square foot gym (roughly the size of 20 homes for average Americans; those who can still afford one after the Wall Street pillage). And after the release of internal emails by the SEC and Senate, Goldman looks more like a sleazy boiler room pump and dump operation in drag than an investment bank (in drag as a bank holding company). Comedy talk show hosts are having a field day (Jon Stewart calls them “those f*!*!ing guys”) and Goldmanfreude (pleasure in watching Goldman shamed for the pain it inflicted on others) is in full swing.

It all sounds eerily familiar to the wealth transfer maneuver by Goldman Sachs Trading Company in the asset bubble of 1928. The Trading Company was a closed end fund (called a trust in those days) that Goldman Sachs created and offered to the public at $104 a share, stuffed with conflicted investments while paying Goldman a hefty management fee, only to end up a few years after the 1929 crash trading at a buck and change. On May 20, 1932, Walter Sachs, President of the Goldman Sachs Trading Company, was grilled by the Senate Committee on Banking and Currency. The implication was the same as the current round of Senate hearings: Goldman royally fleeced its customers to line its own pockets.

http://www.counterpunch.com/martens05042010.html

Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-05-06 09:42:42

… Goldmanfreude (pleasure in watching Goldman shamed for the pain it inflicted on others) is in full swing.

Ah! Nice turn of phrase.

I’m detecting a lot of Goldmanfreude these days, even among people much less attuned to vampire squid-ism than the average HBB’er.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-05-06 10:24:52

Everyone from Goldman Sachs should get their own bologna pony.

Giddyap!

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 15:51:14

JP Morgan is twice as evil as Goldman, and they’re getting a free pass.

Comment by mikey
2010-05-06 17:35:08

“JP Morgan is twice as evil as Goldman, and they’re getting a free pass.”

JP Morgan DOESN’T have a squeaky French midget !!

;)

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Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 05:16:11

Team Barry was on it from day one! Riiiight.

While Oil Slick Spread, Interior Department Chief of Staff Rafted with Wife on “Work-Focused” Trip in Grand Canyon ~ ABC News

Though his agency was charged with coordinating the federal response to the major oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, Department of the Interior chief of staff Tom Strickland was in the Grand Canyon with his wife last week participating in activities that included white-water rafting, ABC News has learned.

Other leaders of the Interior Department were focused on the Gulf, joined by other agencies and literally thousands of other employees. But Strickland’s participation in a trip that administration officials insisted was “work-focused” raised eyebrows among other Obama administration officials and even within even his own department, sources told ABC News.

Strickland, who also serves as Assistant Secretary for Fish and Wildlife and Parks, was in the Grand Canyon with his wife Beth for a total of three days, including one day of rafting. Beth Strickland paid her own way, Obama administration officials said.

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-05-06 07:59:49

Heck of a job, Tommy.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-06 09:36:11

Indeed!

Responsibility is for the “little people!”

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 12:42:13

Beat me to it, Bad Chile.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 15:52:40

Oh please. Let these people live their lives. Do they have to micromanage every little detail themselves? Most are probably political appointees whose deputies do the actual emergency management anyway.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-06 15:55:55

I have a dear old friend who used to work on the South Rim of the Grand Canyon. To put it mildly, communicating with people who were on the river was difficult.

If you were really lucky, you might have been able to get a cell phone call down there. Or maybe you’d be able to catch them at Phantom Ranch, if they were there.

So, I’m not buying the “work-related” rhetoric.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 05:25:21

Another great investment, I am sure it will be spent wisely and all accounted for…

Pakistan gets $656M from U.S. as terror link probed
The Hill

Pakistan received $656 million in security funds from the United States as authorities probed links between the country and the confessed Times Square bomber.

According to Dawn newspaper, the U.S. embassy in Islamabad transferred $188 million to Pakistan’s central bank last week and the remaining $468 million on Monday. The coalition-support funds compensate Pakistan for counterterrorim and counterinsurgency operations.

Faisal Shahzad, a Connecticut resident and the 30-year-old son of a retired official in Pakistan’s air force, was hauled off an Emirates airlines flight bound for Dubai on Monday night and charged Tuesday with attempting to detonate an SUV bomb in New York’s Times Square.

According to the criminal complaint filed against Shahzad, he admitted “after his arrest that he had received bomb-making training in Waziristan, Pakistan.”

Comment by palmetto
2010-05-06 05:33:31

You know, this whole “terror” problem, just like the “immigration” problem, could be so easily and inexpensively solved, with moratoriums and severe restrictions on the immigration of certain ethnic or religious groups to the US. Racist? tough titty, I wanna live.

Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-06 09:08:01

“moratoriums and severe restrictions on the immigration of certain ethnic or religious groups to the US”

I’m pretty sure that religious freedom is guaranteed by… well, by ourselves in the end, really. And as much as I personally dislike religion, I believe that it is a fundamental right to believe what one wants to believe spiritually. I’m also pretty sure that all men (ethnic groups) are created (essentially) equal. Let’s not go down this treacherous path.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

MrBubble

Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-05-06 09:46:49

I’m also pretty sure that all men (ethnic groups) are created (essentially) equal. Let’s not go down this treacherous path.

+1.

“If the freedom of religion, guaranteed to us by law in theory, can ever rise in practice under the overbearing inquisition of public opinion, then and only then will truth, prevail over fanaticism.”

— Thomas Jefferson.

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Comment by lavi d
2010-05-06 12:35:18

“If the freedom of religion, guaranteed to us by law in theory, can ever rise in practice under the overbearing inquisition of public opinion, then and only then will truth, prevail over fanaticism.”

— Thomas Jefferson.

“Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”

-Denis Diderot

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-05-06 13:05:15

“If the freedom of religion, guaranteed to us by law in theory, can ever rise in practice under the overbearing inquisition of public opinion, then and only then will truth, prevail over fanaticism.”

— Thomas Jefferson.

“Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.” -Denis Diderot

“Take things always by their smooth handle”
Thomas Jefferson

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-05-06 10:31:49

Packistan and N. Korea play the same game. Give us money or we’ll go crazy or let our people go crazy and blow something up.

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Comment by lavi d
2010-05-06 12:30:26

…could be so easily and inexpensively solved, with moratoriums and severe restrictions on the immigration of certain ethnic or religious groups to the US.

The State Department needs to know where they can wire the funds for your assistance in combating terror.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-05-06 06:27:06

Send us your terrorists and we’ll send you hundreds of millions of dollars.

Lol.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-06 07:22:01

At least they suck at making bombs. This guy had trained at a bomb-making camp??? A mentally-challenged third-grader could have devised a better weapon of mass destruction.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-06 09:23:36

What a good business Pakistan discovered! Train a terrorist to set off a bomb in Times Square and get $656,000,000!

I wonder if it will be $3,280,000 if they train 5. Or maybe get a discount and get $3,280,000 for training 6!

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-06 05:34:43

It`s Hitler`s fault!

Greece: bail-out money is ‘reparation’ for Second World War
While high-finance will – or maybe not – save Greece, it is the low-ground that people both there and in Germany are scrabbling over to play the blame game.

Published: 11:52AM BST 05 May 2010

Communist labour union members march over austerity measures in Athens Photo: REUTERS Greece is already into a boycott of German goods and services, ranging from Miele fridges to VW cars to pharmaceutical products.

But it is the war, and the brutal German occupation of Greece, that really gets up the noses of Teutons whose leader pledged 22 billion euros this week to save them from themselves.

The mayor of Athens, Nikitas Kaklamanis, led the call for Germany to pay reparations for the conquest and occupation, saying; “You owe us 70 billion euros for the ruins you left behind.”

Greece’s deputy prime minister, Theodoros Pangalos, also dragged up the war, stating; “The Nazis took away the Greek gold that was in the Bank of Greece, they took away the Greek money and they never gave it back.”

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-06 07:32:50

I think it’s time for somebody to leave the Euro, and I’m not talking about Greece.

Comment by DennisN
2010-05-06 09:12:59

If you look around the casino and don’t see the mark, it’s you. ;)

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-05-06 07:40:05

Funny how no one complained about this when Greece wanted to join to the Euro and get all that free (German) money…

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-05-06 10:36:17

I figured out how we can erase the deficit.

You know all those billions and trillions we spent maintaining our military presence overseas all these years?

It turns out the Goverment Accounting Office neglected to invoice the host sovereign states. Just a few accounting entries here and there and ‘poof’ - those treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreigners may just about cover your part of the security tab.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 15:54:55

Socialism and economic ruin? Gosh, I never would have made that link.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-06 05:36:05

Consumer rules, Fed audit next on Senate agenda

By JIM KUHNHENN (AP) – 5 hours ago

WASHINGTON — A partisan fight over consumer protections and a dispute over how intrusive Congress can be in overseeing the Federal Reserve loom as obstacles to the Senate’s efforts to rein in Wall Street.

Republicans offered a weaker alternative to consumer protection measures that are central to President Barack Obama’s Wall Street regulation plan. And a bipartisan group of senators, led by Vermont independent Bernie Sanders, was next in line with an amendment that would require the Federal Reserve to undergo a thorough audit by Congress’ investigative arm, the Government Accountability Office.

Votes on those measures could come as early as Thursday.

The Republican plan would limit the enforcement power of a proposed consumer protection bureau and make its rules subject to approval by a top banking regulator.

It would create a division of consumer protection within the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. to oversee nonbank mortgage companies and write consumer regulations. The FDIC would have to sign off on those rules.

In contrast, the Democratic plan backed by the Obama administration would create an independent bureau within the Federal Reserve to police lending and other customer financial service transactions. It would have a freer hand to enforce its regulations.

“It creates one of the most important, one of the most powerful, all-powerful individuals in the entire federal government,” Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., said, objecting to the autonomy Democrats would give the head of the bureau.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-06 07:40:00

What are the chances the PPT would pull the rip cord on the stock market this week in a deliberate effort to dilute the resolve of Congress to go through with a Fed audit?

Market Snapshot

May 6, 2010, 9:59 a.m. EDT
U.S. stocks struggle as Europe, retail-sales in spotlight

‹ Previous Column

U.S. stocks down for second day as Europe weighs

By Donna Kardos Yesalavich, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) - U.S. stocks fluctuated between small gains and losses Thursday as U.S. retailers’ April sales reports came in weaker than expected, hurting consumer stocks, but materials and industrials rose on stronger-than-expected productivity.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-06 09:40:29

They will do whatever it takes to keep on looting, so yeah, I could see them pulling that stunt.

 
Comment by measton
2010-05-06 10:36:27

+1

I still say they timed the crash at the end of GW’s presidency. His henchmen could do all their dirty work and get out of town, then the new WS henchmen could come in with a mandate to save the world.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-06 05:48:00

What now?
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Silhouettes - Get a Job Lyrics

What now? Nearly 142,000 Floridians out of unemployment benefits

From The Post and AP
By Marcia Heroux Pounds Sun-Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted: 9:07 a.m. Tuesday, May 4, 2010

Nearly 142,000 Florida residents have exhausted all their state and federal emergency unemployment benefits, though about 80,000 could qualify for extended benefits recently passed by the Florida Legislature, the state work force agency said Monday.

Extended benefits are paid by the federal government, but have to be approved by the state Legislature.

Even if Gov. Charlie Crist signs the bill, many Floridians may find that if they received extended benefits either earlier this year or in 2009, they do not have many weeks available. But the number of people affected should be small, said Robby Cunningham, spokesman for Florida’s Agency for Workforce Innovation.

Florida reached a new record unemployment rate of 12.3 percent in March with 1.4 million people out of work.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-05-06 08:00:24

You know its hrd to get a job in Florida when Disney isn’t hiring, not even for menial jobs.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-06 09:42:23

I don’t understand the problem.

Now, they all fall off unemployment benefits, so thanks to the idiotic way we track unemployment, the numbers will “improve,” thus allowing the “recovery” to continue. Sure, people won’t have jobs, but it will still be a “recovery!”

 
Comment by measton
2010-05-06 10:38:13

This plus collapse of the Euro = Deflation

Time to turn the printing press up to 11.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 12:46:21

I’ll predict and “unexpected” increase in crime. And being Florida, I’m going to go out on a limb and say it will be drug related. :lol:

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 15:57:51

Crime will go up. Crime STATS will go down. Municipal police departments and politicians hate crime increases on their watch. The under-reporting of crime will be massive.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 15:56:29

Those 142,000 out-of-work Floridians can all flip signs for the housing boom the NAR assures us is coming back.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 05:48:11

Bugatti Coupe Sets $30 Million Record as Investors Buy Classics

May 6 (Bloomberg) — A 1930s Bugatti has sold for about $30 million to become the world’s most expensive car — with dealers predicting more records as billionaires look for alternatives to risky financial investments.

The Type 57SC Atlantic was bought in a private transaction for nearly as much as its asking price, dealers with knowledge of the matter said. The coupe had been owned by the New Hampshire-based neurologist Peter D. Williamson, a former president of the American Bugatti Club, who died in 2008.

“Interest rates are low and some people have made a lot of money over the last year,” said John Collins, of U.K.-based Ferrari dealers Talacrest 2000 AD Ltd. “They want to buy real assets that have a limited supply and that won’t go down in value. Modern art and classic cars are tracking each other at the moment.”

Wealthy individuals are increasingly looking at physical objects such as art and cars because stock markets remain turbulent, dealers said. A 1932 painting by Pablo Picasso sold at Christie’s International in New York for $106.5 million on May 4, setting a record for any artwork at auction

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 12:47:30

But… but how is this deflation?

 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-05-06 12:52:47

It’s still only worth what someone else will pay for it.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-05-06 06:15:33

The times they are a changing…

Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939, in Atlanta, Georgia) is an economist and a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics.” He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. Roberts has been a critic of both Democratic and Republican administrations.

Cessation of journalistic activism
On March 26, 2010, in a farewell column titled, “Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It,” Roberts effectively announced his journalistic retirement. The article, published at Counterpunch dot org, begins: “There was a time when the pen was mightier than the sword. That was a time when people believed in truth and regarded truth as an independent power and not as an auxiliary for government, class, race, ideological, personal, or financial interest.”

It proceeds to a bitter chronicle of the demise of American intellectual integrity, particularly that of financial journalists and economists. These have been thoroughly corrupted by monetary inducements to misrepresent and ignore what has been, in effect, the systematic dismantling of the nation’s productive life, in the name of globalization. He holds the members of his own journalistic profession largely responsible for abetting relentless outsourcing of American industry, thereby gutting the American middle class and effectively dooming the nation’s future.

He describes his own ostracism from mainstream media access, the consequence of his relentless and unflinching criticism of the demolition process over the past decade. His column ends, “The militarism of the U.S. and Israeli states, and Wall Street and corporate greed, will now run their course. As the pen is censored and its might extinguished, I am signing off.”

wikipedia

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-05-06 07:30:36

Got news for you Paul. It ain’t just financial journalists who have been corrupted.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-05-06 08:31:19

“…..the systematic dismantling of the nations productive life,in the name of globalization .”

How is Globalism working out for you these days ?

 
Comment by Al
2010-05-06 09:27:57

Ben,

Maybe you can get him as a guest poster?

 
Comment by measton
2010-05-06 11:50:35

There are very few journalists anymore, just talking heads.

People gravitate to opinion shows that support their own opinion rather than actual news.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 12:49:56

To quote Jim A’s above post:

“People will often stridently and violently resist learning unpleasent truths, no matter how simple and self-evident they are.”

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-05-06 06:50:15

Happiness/equality=Trust? America=Trusting? Why?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article716022.ece


Danes happiest people in the world
Globe and Mail

(The) Danes — who are also among the world’s most prosperous people — have a tradition of equality and trust that is not widely replicated.

Denmark’s happiness (boils) down to the fact that people consume a relatively equal share of the wealth they generate, and trust each other.

“Denmark is one of the countries with the highest level of trust among people,” she told Reuters. In other countries, people are more cynical about institutions from government to business, as well as each other.

“Trust in peers — also institutional trust — but especially trust in peers is a significant and decisive determinant of your subjective well-being,” Fischer said.

“The Danes are ‘The Happy People’. Why?” said the Under-Secretary for Public Diplomacy, citing how Danes are comfortable with simple pleasures like swimming in the harbour on a summer’s day, which could be deemed too risky elsewhere.

“A woman is riding her bike with two kids in a box in front — and it is even raining — how can she do that? The Danes are devoted to biking and to fighting global warming locally. Those are some of the values that interest other people,” he said.

One woman cycling through Copenhagen, decorator Mette Ellevang Petersen, 26, said it meant a lot to her to feel safe and that she could rely on other people.

The Danish island of Samso, whose inhabitants have after a decade achieved a target of self-sufficiency in renewable power, is one example of a self-reliant community initiative that Denmark has to offer.

The OECD’s Ms. Fischer noted that economists have found a positive correlation between trust and economic growth.

“If you trust someone in a market transaction you have lower transaction costs. You do not even have to have a contract because you trust his or her words. So you have no contract costs, you have no enforcement cost.”

Mr. Bjornskov said Danish trust is very clearly connected with a better economy and a better competitive position.

“It means that the judicial system functions better in Denmark, education works better than in a lot of other countries. The trust contributes to the happiness, but it also contributes to concrete economic results,” he said.

Ms. Fischer cited a new interest in making social indicators — such as happiness or subjective well-being — acceptable to politicians as a complement to traditional GDP.

“The GDP indicator is very much a quantitative measure of well-being and we have to add a quality dimension to that,” she said.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-06 09:27:10

Well they legalized victimless crimes and they are a homogeneous society, much like Japan is a homogeneous society. But Japan is much more xenophobic (PC term for “racist” because we all know only white-skinned people can be racists).

 
Comment by james
2010-05-06 11:40:06

Legalized prostitution and oil money = happy people

 
Comment by sfrenter
2010-05-06 15:40:45

I lived in Copenhagen for a year (sheesh, it was almost 20 years ago) and it really did have a very “cozy” feeling.

BUT - there are only 5 million people in the entire country: less than the population of New York City.

So back to that question of how is globalization working out for everyone….

…we will only survive as a species when we go back to small(er) communities, localized economies, and slow or no growth.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-06 20:48:35

How many people are alive on earth? Six billion? How about we abolish large nations by having competing governments of communities no larger than one thousand people, including virtual nations? Also every human has a right to opt out of the jurisdiction of any rag calling itself a Constitution. Credit to Lysander Spooner, the 19th century jurist, for the idea of having no authority.

Harry Browne (”How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World,”) Lysander Spooner (”No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority,”) Morris and Linda Tannehill (”The Market for Liberty”) and Murry Rothbard (”For a New Liberty”) have a synergy of ideas leading to how one can look at government in a new way.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-05-07 07:49:04

Have you ever lived in a small town? Even in a community of less than 1000, I’d definitely want a constitution to protect me from power hungry idiots who manage to end up in charge. Think Boss Hogg only less entertaining to be around.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 15:58:56

Has anyone tested their urine?

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 06:57:13

Someone should send a jersey to Sarah “The Barracuda” ;-)

‘Los Suns’ Join Protest, Then Stop the Spurs:
By BILLY WITZ Published: May 5, 2010

“In the preceding 24 hours, it was Robert Sarver, the Suns’ managing partner and a native of Tucson, who had stepped into another tough fight with his decision to have the Suns wear their alternate “Los Suns” jerseys, something they did twice this season as part of the N.B.A.’s “Noche Latina” campaign.”

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-06 07:28:38

I have a friend who raced BMX bikes when he was a kid. He apparently was really big for his age - at twelve he weighed 180#, and was like 5′8” - and he would win all of the races consistently. All of the other parents would protest frequently and demand to see “the big kid’s birth certificate” because they did not believe he was really 12 years old. He finally had his birth-certificate laminated and permanently stuck to the back of his helmet. Problem was forever solved.

Comment by 2banana
2010-05-06 07:41:43

You mean this kid had to provide more documentation for a BMX race than obama needed to occupy the White House???

Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-06 09:15:55

Bang bang bang bang!

At least if you got a timpani, you could change the tune of your drum.

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Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-05-06 12:57:41

I think most drums have those tuning things around them, not just timpani and kettle drums.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-06 13:11:20

I was hoping that one would sneak by. Caught me.

I just read this right-wing wing-nut stuff and picture a guy banging on a kettle drum yelling, “Ramming Speed!” as intellectually chained rowers trapped in a Fox news trireme try to punch holes in any idea that is off of a list of approved talking points.

My enthusiasm for ridicule overtook my musical fact checking. Boo.

 
 
Comment by are they crazy
2010-05-06 09:40:19

Seriously? So in a small hut in Kenya many years ago, a group decided to take over the US and make it communist. So they got 2 people to make a phony birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper…

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Comment by CentralCoastDude
2010-05-06 09:42:52

Obama’s bc is on the web, google it.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 16:00:38

Elvis and JFK are alive and walk among us. Google it.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 12:55:06
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Comment by cobaltblue
2010-05-06 18:03:43

No good, It doesn’t have a little baby foot inkstain and it is not signed.

Doesn’t cut it, BZZZT you lose!

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-05-06 08:04:49

What a joke. Hispanics follow ‘futbol’, and not the kind played in Major League Soccer.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-05-06 07:05:07

Nutballs to be shrugged off?

Coffee Party Radio - “Income Inequality & America on the Brink” - 5/6/10 6:00pm EDT
Coffee Party USA

Join us this Thursday, May 6th, at 6:00pm EDT for another installment of Coffee Party Radio!

Bruce Judson, author of “It Could Happen Here”, will discuss the central argument in his book that the current income gap in America is politically destabilizing and could ultimately lead to a serious political upheaval.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/coffeepartyusa/2010/05/06/income-inequality-america-on-the-brink-6pm-et

 
Comment by oc-ed
2010-05-06 07:15:08

Lesson #1: Batten Down the Hatches

Admittedly this is a pitch for a set of conference CD’s, but it does contain the following,

1.) The U.S. Constitution has been all but scrapped at this point — further degradation of what we consider our inalienable rights is a certainty. You need to begin thinking about ways to protect yourself, perhaps even internationalizing your assets, and maybe your life. (An hour-long panel at the Summit focused specifically on that subject.)

2.) The crisis isn’t over. The problems of the PIIGS are symptomatic of a global sovereign debt crisis that cannot be resolved by layering on more debt and more taxes, topped off with a large dollop of new regulations. (For an important legal analysis of the proposed derivatives legislation, click here.)

3.) The housing market will burn down in July. We can’t foresee the impact this will have on the markets, or how the government will (over)react to a resumed slide – but we’re pretty sure it won’t be good. Be careful, and look into ways to play market volatility. For more aggressive investors, shorting home builders, which have rebounded considerably from their 2009 lows, might be a good idea at the right time.

4.) Keep focused on precious metals and energy. Gold is insurance against the worst case and a hedge against the sovereign currency crisis we see as inevitable. The energy sector offers powerful, long-term upside thanks to a combination of the hard facts of Peak Oil, a new wave of political and legal constraints on further offshore oil drilling – and not just here in the U.S. – and the geopolitical realities of the West being outgunned by the Chinese and others in securing long-term energy assets in the Middle East and Africa.

http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCdd.php?id=421

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-05-06 07:32:38

3.) The housing market will burn down in July.

Nah, it’s gonna happen in August. :-)

What’s so special about July?

Comment by Kim
2010-05-06 07:44:45

Could we just make it June?

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-05-06 08:37:25

Nope …Sept ….it will be Sept .

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-05-06 09:51:58

Gotta wait for all the families moving before the school year starts.

 
 
 
Comment by Lola
2010-05-06 09:33:57

The rare “Cardinal Climax” is set to occur around the end of July, beginning of August. According to Arch Crawford, “this is the meanest, nastiest, most challenging and most transformational of any planetary phenomena in all of written history!”

Dig out your tin foil hats!

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-05-06 10:47:50

The rare “Cardinal Climax” is set to occur around the end of July, beginning of August. According to Arch Crawford, “this is the meanest, nastiest, most challenging and most transformational of any planetary phenomena in all of written history!”

But I’m not ready for that kind of stuff yet.

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Comment by oc-ed
2010-05-06 12:21:07

I knew we were getting screwed, but I never figured it would be a cosmic bohica!

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 16:02:52

That’s just not the visual I needed.

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Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-05-06 07:16:23

Follow the white rabbit. Bloomberg (Bank Swaps Surge):

Banking systems in Greece, Portugal, Italy, Spain, Ireland and the U.K. may come under pressure as the crisis worsens, Moody’s said in a report today. The ratings firm said yesterday it may downgrade the Portuguese government and its banks after Standard & Poor’s last week cut sovereign debt of Greece, Portugal and Spain.

“The risk is for the banking sector because they’re the ones that own most of the government bonds and in cases of extreme crisis banks rely on governments to bail them out,” said Juan Esteban Valencia, a London-based credit strategist at Societe Generale SA. “If governments can’t issue at relatively normal levels, it’s going to be very difficult to bail out banks and that means banks are getting hammered.”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-06 07:33:47

Who will be there to bail out banks if government debt collapses?

Oh yeah — it’s turtles all the way down…

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-06 09:47:45

The banks will bail themselves out.

See, we have this technology called a printing press…

Wait - that won’t work… Hmmm… Yep, turtles all the way down.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 13:01:12

Brilliant reference!

 
 
 
Comment by Green Shoots
2010-05-06 07:20:58

market pulse

May 6, 2010, 9:30 a.m. EDT
Bernanke optimistic about bank lending outlook

By Greg Robb

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Federal Reserve Board chairman Ben Bernanke said Thursday that there were some reasons for optimism about the outlook for bank lending although credit remains tight. In a speech to a conference on bank supervision sponsored by the Chicago Federal Reserve Bank, Bernanke pointed out that the Fed’s latest senior loan officer survey found no net tightening in lending standards for small businesses for the first time since the summer of 2007. “Senior loan officers tell us, at least outside of commercial real estate, they anticipate a modest reduction in their troubled loans over the coming year,” Bernanke said. “As a result, bank attitudes toward lending may be shifting,” he said.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-06 07:22:11

market pulse

May 6, 2010, 10:16 a.m. EDT

Fed’s Lacker warns about inflation complacency
By Greg Robb

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Federal Reserve officials must not get complacent about the inflation outlook even though the unemployment rate remains high, said Jeffrey Lacker, the president of the Richmond Federal Reserve Bank. “My worry is that we will let the obvious slack in the economy lull us into a false sense of security regarding inflation, which could allow inflation pressures to build before we raise rates,” Lacker said in a speech to an investment group in Richmond. Lacker said he would be happy if inflation remained about where it is - with the core consumer inflation rate at 1.1%. Lacker said he was troubled by “persistently high” readings on inflation expectations. “They said the possibility that people think the FOMC will be unable or unwilling to conduct monetary policy in a way that keeps inflation from rising significantly during this recovery,” Lacker said

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-06 09:49:46

Lacker must have missed the memo about how inflation is “good” for the eCONomy. You know, rising prices helps us all, or something…

Or, maybe they just pay him a bit extra to offer dissenting opinions and thus maintain the illusion that the Fed cares about anything other than printing money for the banks.

Comment by mikey
2010-05-06 18:14:58

I’m not so worried about seeing inflation or deflation.

I’m worried about seeing the sun rise in the morning.

Those guys on Wall Street and in DC will steal just about anything.

:(

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-05-06 11:55:09

What happens when the Euro collapses and China property bubble explodes.

Combotechie??

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-06 07:27:15

Which California Republicrat gubernatorial candidate had the closest ties to Gollum? Enquiring minds want to know.

Whitman’s lead over Poizner plummets
Joe Garofoli,Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writers
Thursday, May 6, 2010

Meg Whitman held a nearly 50-point lead two months ago. Steve Poizner is now 8 to 10 points down, new polls show.

Former eBay CEO Meg Whitman’s lead in the Republican race for California governor has shrunk dramatically as the billionaire candidate has been battered by her ties to Goldman Sachs, new Republican and Democratic polls suggest.

Whitman’s lead over state Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner, which approached 50 points two months ago, has tightened to just 8-10 points just days until voters begin casting absentee ballots for the June 8 primary, according to polls by both Poizner’s campaign and by Democratic labor organizations opposing her candidacy.

Mike Murphy, Whitman’s top strategist, downplayed Poizner’s suggestions that the race was tightening to single digits, saying her campaign’s polls do not reflect that.

Since Friday, Poizner has run a TV ad statewide called “Vulture,” which depicts Whitman as an executive who profited from the nationwide financial meltdown through her Wall Street connections. In their televised gubernatorial debate Sunday, Poizner attacked Whitman for receiving sweetheart stock deals from the firm.

Starting in 2001, Whitman served on Goldman’s board of directors. She left the board 15 months later, in 2002, after she was singled out in a congressional probe of bond underwriters and the practice of “spinning” - a now-banned practice in which Goldman and other firms allegedly traded access to hot initial public offerings for bond business.

Whitman said Sunday she “did not do anything wrong.”

The Securities and Exchange Commission filed civil fraud charges against Goldman on April 16.

But Murphy claimed Wednesday in a telephone call with reporters that Poizner had also spun such sweetheart IPO deals with Goldman - a charge Poizner strongly denied during a visit Wednesday to The Chronicle’s editorial board.

Comment by oc-ed
2010-05-06 08:19:39

Both Poizner and Whitman jumped into using mudslinging ads very quickly and that sullied the race. Then on the other side of the aisle we have Gov. Moonbeam, oh what is a voter to do? There are a slew of others in the race, but no one jumps out as a reasonable alternate to me …

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-06 11:24:48

Whitman still won’t disclose her income, how much she may be hiding offshore to shield it from taxes. She still hasn’t shown she’s fit to hold a statewide office.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 16:05:47

It’s a positive development that formerly brain-dead voters are now scrutinizing candidates’ ties to Wall Street fraudsters. If such ties become politically toxic, we may yet be able to pull back from the brink.

 
 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-05-06 07:42:59

Coldwell B*nker on the right (a few minutes ago) has a $8,000 buyers credit. Targeting buyers who don’t realize they are paying for that credit many times over. The sad part is that marketing malarkey will get them dumb clients.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-05-06 07:48:23

I looked it up at their website. If you buy one of their listings only. What a freakin joke. I hate dual agency (conflict of interest) and think it should be outlawed.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-06 09:52:43

Do you have a problem with Corporate Crony Capitalism, Comrade?

*grin*

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-06 11:40:17

Actually Pondering, I think you’re supposed to leave out the indefinite articles when speaking in that accent. ;-)

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 13:03:21

:lol:

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Comment by neuromance
2010-05-06 19:18:48

There’s an ad on DC news radio for a “buyer’s agent” real estate company. They say they never represent sellers. My answer is, “So what? Your incentives are still the same - you and the seller make more money the higher the house price is.”

People really need to understand where the salesperson’s incentives are - how they make their money. This “buyer’s agent” concept where the buyer’s agent also makes money based on the price of the house is just as big an anti-buyer construct as if the listing agent were representing the buyer.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-05-06 11:19:51

“Coldwell Banker” isn’t doing this. “Participating homesellers” (listed with Colwell) have to agree to refund 3% (up to $8,000) of the buyer’s/the lender’s money back to the buyer at closing.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 08:35:00

His dis-pleasure in the parking lot fee lead to a a path seldom traveled: $266 Million dollars :-)

“The couple owe their new mega-wealth to Gilbert Cisneros’ spur-of-the-moment decision on where to get dinner.”

“Though Jacki craved a KFC Double Down chicken sandwich, Gilbert wanted to stop at a Mexican restaurant as he drove home from jury duty in downtown Los Angeles. But he balked at the parking fee, so he ended up at a barbecue joint, where he also picked up 10 lottery tickets for good measure. He told KNBC that he picked the numbers at random.”

Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-06 09:45:12

And in other news, 5 million other stupid people did not win the lottery.

 
 
Comment by llking
2010-05-06 09:05:29
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 10:37:42

Retail Sales Confirm That Wall Street Got WAY Too Optimistic About The Recovery ~ Business Insider

After March same store retail sales (SSS) rose by a 9.1% year over year thanks to an early Easter, analysts had far more subdued expectations of 1.7% growth for April according to Reuters.

Yet the majority of retailers who have reported so far have missed these lower expectations. According to the data below sourced from CNBC, 15 companies have missed their same store sales expectations vs. 9 meeting or beating expectations.

Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-06 11:36:53

“Retail Sales Confirm That Wall Street Got WAY Too Optimistic About The Recovery ~ Business Insider”

Would there be a difference if instead of seeing numbers on the stock market every day, we instead saw numbers on unemployment and wages, Main Street numbers instead of Wall Street numbers?

Comment by measton
2010-05-06 11:59:21

How can Wall Street be too optimistic.
They manipulated it on the way up, got as many retail investors to jump in as they could.
I suspect they are all short now.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 10:41:40

Postal Service posts $1.6B quarterly loss
Washington Business Journal

The U.S. Postal Service reported a smaller quarterly loss but still warns it needs changes in order to stay afloat.

The Postal Service had a fiscal second-quarter loss of $1.6 billion, compared to a net loss of $1.9 billion in the same quarter a year ago, according to Bloomberg News, citing chief financial officer Joseph Corbett at the Postal Service’s board meeting Thursday. Mail volume has declined another 6.3 percent in the past six months.

“We cannot sustain those losses,” Bloomberg quotes Postmaster General John Potter as saying. “The Postal Service will run out of money next year unless there is legislative change.”

The Postal Service needs Congressional approval for its two biggest money-saving proposals; cutting delivery to five days a week and delaying retiree health benefits payments.

Comment by 2banana
2010-05-06 10:46:48

The same people who run the post office will run your health care.

Funny how no one screams that FedEx and UPS are evil becuase they deliver mail at a profit in direct competition to the “public option”. In fact, most people I know are very GLAD to have an alternative to the US Post Office.

Hmmmm…..

Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-06 10:56:12

“most people I know are very GLAD to have an alternative to the US Post Office”

And some people are glad we have USPS. Your point? Oh, right, Fox-ing Points! AKA bang bang bang bang.

[I have made a "bang bang bang bang" hot-key to comment more easily on your inability to make any other sound on your rhetorical drum]

MrBubble

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 11:46:57

He’s just eagerly awaiting the day a private company (a subsidary of ShitiBankinc) gets the job of delivery mail… door to door… with newly hired MaryMeth or one of the 13 cousins of some recently fired Yellow Cab drivers… ;-)

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Comment by packman
2010-05-06 10:57:34

FWIW - apples and oranges.

- Fed Ex and UPS don’t deliver traditional “mail”, e.g. standard letters and postcards

- Fed Ex and UPS also don’t get revenue from advertising (junk mail) like the USPS does.

- Fed Ex and UPS don’t come to your door every day regardless of the amount of stuff to be delivered.

Not trying to excuse the USPS - but I hate when people try to compare them - it’s just not a valid comparison because they’re essentially not even in the same business. Yeah there’s overlap, but the part that doesn’t overlap is a huge burden on the post office - Fed Ex and UPS get to pick off the low-hanging fruit and ignore the high fruit - the USPS by government mandate has to pick the high fruit.

I blame faulty CPI calculations, believe it or not. Postage rates have roughly followed CPI (due to lots of media attention), but CPI is way understated, so the USPS gets the shaft. If stamps followed true inflation they’d probably be about 80 cents right now.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 13:06:05

Exactly.

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Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-05-06 13:06:56

FedEx and UPS have tracking systems that WORK. Get a package from USPS, and the tracking information shows up a day after the thing has been delivered.

USPS should have made a shipping option that rivals FedEx/UPS, instead of a bunch of odd confusing shipping options that make it sound like you are lucky if your stuff will ever escape the black hole.

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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-05-06 13:44:03

Fed Ex and UPS don’t deliver traditional mail

Uh, packman, you realize that’s ’cause they’re not ALLOWED to ??

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Comment by packman
2010-05-06 13:47:34

Yeah - what’s your point?

I agree they should be allowed to - but until that time it’s still apples vs. oranges.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-05-06 13:47:46

Fed Ex and UPS don’t deliver traditional mail

Uh,…you realize that’s ’cause they’re not ALLOWED to ??

Thank goodness. I don’t want UPS taking over my mom’s Medicare.

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-05-06 11:07:14

In fact, most people I know are very GLAD to have an alternative to the US Post Office.

Like for example, to mail a first class letter from NYC to LA for 44 cents? Or a package to Brazil for 1/3 the cost of FedEX or UPS? Or a package to Hawaii for 30% less than FedEx or UPS? And that gets there every time?

What options might those be?

And BTW, Canadians and Euros have private health-care options too. It’s not all or nada.

The same people who run the post office will run your health care.

So if you see your mailman wearing a latex glove….RUN!

Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-06 11:20:09

Mooooon Riverrrrrr! - Arnold Babar

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Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-06 11:20:37

I mostly prefer USPS to UPS. What’s ordered mostly arrives on time and undamaged via USPS. I can’t say that about UPS. My experiences with FedEx have been better, but much more expensive than USPS.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-06 11:33:02

“In fact, most people I know are very GLAD to have an alternative to the US Post Office.”

Well, I’ll admit mileage does vary depending on which USPS office, but the folks at mine are awesome. One guy saved me $25 on shipping, just by cutting down a box for me.

But I suppose someone will use that as evidence of how the USPS loses money and that gov’t can’t do anything right. Nevermind that I keep give them more business because of the help he gave me.

 
Comment by measton
2010-05-06 12:30:48

Does FED ex come to your door everyday to pick up and drop off the mail. Are they mandated to do so?? When they do come to the door how much to they charge to pick up a single letter? How much would they charge if the Postal Service was not there??

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-06 13:01:32

I, for one, don’t think a $5Billion/year subsidy is out of line, to help pay for a system that moves as much mail as the USPS.

As much as the Republican fundamentalists don’t want to admit it, there are a bunch of government organizations that do a reasonably good job. Like the FAA, and the Department of Defense.

If they were consistent, they would be demanding the end of the DOD, and farming out national defense to Blackwater and Halliburton.

And, one of the reasons we pay our law enforcement officers pretty well, is because we want some intelligent people doing the job, and we don’t want officers so poorly paid that they are easily bribeable.

Republicans don’t trust the government to do anything right. Not that their entirely wrong, but they put too much faith in their fellow man in the “private sector”.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 13:09:55

“If they were consistent, they would be demanding the end of the DOD, and farming out national defense to Blackwater and Halliburton.”

Well it’s certainly not for lack of trying. And you left out KBR who just got a huge no-bid for troop support.

 
Comment by mathguy
2010-05-06 17:12:19

Uh, why not just raise the postage rates to account for the increases in cost? Why subsidize mail via income tax, when you can directly put the cost on the users of the system? Same amount of tax gets paid, it just gets paid by those who actually want to use it vs those who don’t.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 10:44:32

Japan’s Commercial Re Files for Bankruptcy Protection (Update1)

May 6 (Bloomberg) — Commercial RE Co., a Japanese real estate management company whose largest stakeholder is Goldman Sachs Group Inc., filed for bankruptcy protection today.

The Tokyo-based developer has had to sell assets at a cheaper price, hurting its income as Japan’s real estate market deteriorated following the subprime mortgage crisis, the company said in a release to the Tokyo Stock Exchange. Commercial RE had liabilities of 15 billion yen ($159.7 million) as at the end of March, according to the statement.

New City Residence Investment Corp., which sought bankruptcy protection in October 2008 with 112.4 billion yen in liabilities, was the first property trust to fail in the nation. In the fiscal year ended March 31, seven listed companies filed for bankruptcy including Joint Corp., a real estate developer saddled with 168 billion yen of debt.

New City was among 45 listed companies to file for bankruptcy in Japan in the year ended March 2009.

Tokyo-based Commercial RE is scheduled to be delisted from Osaka Securities Exchange’s Jasdaq on June 7.

Goldman Sachs had a 29.76 percent stake and Kenedix Inc., Japan’s biggest publicly traded real estate asset manager, 29.10 percent as of the end of March, according to the statement.

Comment by packman
2010-05-06 11:00:25

Commercial RE Co., a Japanese real estate management company whose largest stakeholder is Goldman Sachs Group Inc., filed for bankruptcy protection today.

The Tokyo-based developer has had to sell assets at a cheaper price, hurting its income as Japan’s real estate market deteriorated following the subprime mortgage crisis, the company said in a release to the Tokyo Stock Exchange. Commercial RE had liabilities of 15 billion yen ($159.7 million) as at the end of March, according to the statement.

Dang, why couldn’t that have been a ‘b’ instead of an ‘m’ after the $159.7?

Comment by packman
2010-05-06 13:35:41

OK - which one of you is on the NYSE floor?

Stock Selloff May Have Been Triggered by a Trader Error

In one of the most dizzying half-hours in stock market history, the Dow plunged nearly 1,000 points before paring those losses in what possibly could have been a trader error.

According to multiple sources, a trader entered a “b” for billion instead of an “m” for million in a trade possibly involving Procter & Gamble (NYSE: pg), a component in the Dow.

That’s friggin’ weird. I should play the lottery today!

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 16:07:46

I’m not buying it. This smells of manipulation.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 10:47:36

The various elements of the economy were trying to adjust to reality and the real prices of things were becoming apparent in 2008 when the government rushed in with tons of money to put a stop to this process. It resulted in stalling the correction and hiding true prices.

“Probably the most dramatic example of price hiding has been in the financial sector itself. There, the feds took away the risks of bad debt from the bankers and put it on the general public. The Fed bought the toxic loans, transferring hundreds of billions of losses from the banks’ balance sheets onto the balance sheet of the Fed.

“The Fed also lent the banks money at near zero percent…and then the federal government borrowed it back. The banks were able to make profits without doing any work or taking any risks. No wonder they didn’t lend money to private businesses or consumers. It was too much trouble. And they didn’t have to.” ~ Bill Bonner

Bonner thinks the U.S. will be more like Greece than Japan when the final correction breaks through. Trade of the Century

 
Comment by michael
2010-05-06 10:52:25

MLS #: FX7329779

wife and i toured this home when it was 99% complete and already sold.

i remember the both of us being absolutely, completley, totally, unbefrigginbelievably, bang your head against the wall, go home and cut your rist astonished at the fact that someone would pay $ 1.5M for this crapbox.

speaking of rist cutting…i bet that’s what the neighbors who bought the similarly priced home next door are doing right about now.

p.s. it’s still about 250k overpriced IMHO.

Comment by Kim
2010-05-06 11:01:42

Got to love that attractively finished yet unexplained hole in the living room ceiling. Is that so you can throw laundry down to the main floor?

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-05-06 11:40:29

I love the mirror in the master bath - not hanging, just propped up.

But really, it looks like a house that is too big. Lots of empty space. And obviously, two kids with their toys.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-05-06 11:47:25

Geez, don’t you know?

That’s so Ceiling Cat can look down on you.

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-06 11:03:36

“Anybody wanna buy a ‘W’?”

“A ‘W’?!”

“Shhh… Riiiiight.”

 
Comment by michael
2010-05-06 11:16:05

zomg…i just noticed the “island” with the granite countertop in the friggin closet!

also goes to show you that the bubble was in full steam during 2007 in the DC metro area. long way to go still here IMHO.

 
Comment by wittbelle
2010-05-06 12:51:39

$218 sq foot isn’t bad. They want over $300 for the shacks out here in 92646.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 11:23:00

Filed under: “No one saw it coming” …or… “Bidness is Bidness” …or… “We don’t need no stinkin’ Gov’t regulation!” :-)

Banks Hemorrhage Cash With Cards Wanting to Be American Express:
By Lisa Kassenaar, Bloomberg

“Janklow is the politician who, in 1981, brought Citibank to South Dakota. When he cut that ribbon to welcome the New York- based bank, he blew the lid off the U.S. credit card business, Bloomberg Markets reports in its June Issue.

The law inviting Citibank to South Dakota threw out limits on how much interest the state’s banks could charge borrowers — rules known as usury caps.

“Citi wanted the invitation, and they knew what we were doing with rates,” Janklow says. In a secret meeting at the governor’s residence with Walter Wriston, chief executive officer of Citicorp, the bank’s parent, Janklow agreed to drive through the legislation in a swap for 400 jobs.

“That was the deal,” Janklow says. “You have no idea, in a state of 750,000, how many 400 jobs is, all in one place.”

The business Janklow and Wriston set in motion with a handshake that evening transformed U.S. consumer lending. Once interest rates were allowed to rise as high as banks could push them, credit cards became a ticket to enormous profit. In the decade ended on Dec. 31, 2007, credit card issuers together earned more than $50 billion, mostly on the difference between their own cost of money and consumer rates of as much as 30 percent.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 11:25:31

Oh, I forgot:

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)
&
BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™)

(Post: Drinko De Mayo)

 
 
Comment by CentralCoastDude
2010-05-06 11:30:35

Great call on (FXP) yesterday, up over 6% and climbing. Of course, the rest of my US portfolio is getting creamed.

 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-05-06 11:37:55

Libor breaking out. Reach 4 tinfoil helmets. Armageddon?

Comment by james
2010-05-06 11:46:35

Well. You can tell I went all in.

Don’t worry. It will recover as soon as I sell.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-06 11:54:51

Volume is skyrocketing.

 
 
Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2010-05-06 11:48:17

WOOOOOOOWWW

Dow almost -1000!

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-06 12:03:33

Volatility says, “I’m back, baby!”

 
Comment by bink
2010-05-06 12:50:01

Man. I stepped out for a motorcycle ride and missed a huge opportunity. Somehow one of my short ETFs hit a stop but yet sold for 8% more than the stop. WTF? It should have never even triggered as the ETF never got close to the stop value.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 11:48:52

Holy sh!t where the hell is the PPT? Gonna have to suspend trading?

Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 12:01:45

No worries, the PPT is on the scene now. Must have been looking at porn sites or other wise occupied.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-06 12:09:31

I can see the headlines now: “Dow falls on Lawrence Taylor rape allegations.”

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-06 12:38:48

Just caught CNN……..they are blaming it on all those Greek rioters.

Because it is a preview of what is going to happen worldwide, when J6Ps worldwide have “austerity measures” crammed down their throats to bail out the banksters?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-05-06 13:16:08

Because it is a preview of what is going to happen worldwide, when J6Ps worldwide have “austerity measures” crammed down their throats to bail out the banksters?

So maybe bankster bailout days are over?

My position is that the “money” is there. It’s just a choice on “who” to get it from.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 13:16:42

What bull. They are so full of it.

There is something else going on…

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-05-06 13:41:18

Who spiked this dude’s tea?

Protester Thodoris Mougiakos said he was angry the IMF would control Greek finances.

“It’s blackmail,” the 32-year-old engineer said. “There is money, but they spend it on things like armaments and businesses. The church has money too. If we had been drawing money from all these sources, we wouldn’t be in this situation now,”

AP Yahoo

 
 
 
Comment by Shizo
2010-05-06 12:21:21

If this is not proof of PPT/rigging (requiring the PTB to release what it is they are actually doing) then there is NO chance for anything good to come out of any market, anywhere. To see what just happened and try to justify it by some passing short term event is criminal. The DOW dropped under 10K and poof it is back to “just” 300 pts down? That 10K mark is a HUGE perception point for your average investor- when it gets breeched it makes all hell break loose.

Oh wait. They just kicked off that one dood on Idol and the big LOST finale is on soon. I need some cheese-doodles, too.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 13:13:54

I prefer Cheesy Puffs.

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Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-05-06 12:20:12

Someone accidentally tripped over the plug on the PPT machine — a glitch. It’s fixed now.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 11:53:22

Just wanted to emphasize my thanks and kudos to both the Mysterious Flying Miser and Bryan Hubbard of the OCC for today’s’ article “The Flawed Assumption”.

Very informative and helpful.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-05-06 12:23:32

I had the pleasure of listening to Meredith Whitney’s housing commentary on Bloomberg Surviellence this morning. It’s well worth listening to and guess what my HBB Brothers & Sisters……. Mz. Whitney stated the price declines are far far from over.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 12:34:18

Hwy puts on headphones, click’s on James Taylor’s “Let it Fall Down”: ;-)

Sing a song for the wrong
And the wicked and the strong
And the sick, as thick as thieves
For the faceless fear that was never so near
Too clear to misbelieve

Well the sea is jumping salty
And the porpoise has the blues
My recollections faulty
And I cannot find my shoes
And my wiring is misfiring
Due to cigarettes and booze
Im behind in my dues
I just now got the news
He seems to tell us lies
And still we will believe him
Then together he will lead us
Into darkness, my friends

Refrain:
Let it fall down, let it fall down
Let it all fall down
Let it fall down, let it fall down
Let it all fall down

The man says stand to one side, son
We got to keep this big ball rolling
Its just a question of controlling
For whom the bell is tolling

Refrain

Therell be suffering and starvation
In the streets young man
Just where have you been, old man
Just look out of your window, man

Refrain

Well, it aint nobodys fault but our own
Still, at least we might could show the good sense
To know when weve been wrong
And its already taken too long
So we bring it to a stop
Then we take it from the top
We let it settle on down softly
Like your gently falling snow
Or let it tumble down and topple
Like the temple long ago

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 16:09:43

Thanks for posting. Good lyrics. Very apt for times like these.

 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-05-06 12:32:09

This is annoying.

Comment by rentor
2010-05-06 12:57:48

Saw that on the news. Some girl of Mexicna heritage did say “We don’t wear Mexican colors on the 4th of July”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 13:09:49

“I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day,” Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. “We don’t deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn’t do that on Fourth of July.”

Hey Annicia, here’s a free ticket to a USA verses Mexico Gold Cup soccer match being held @ the Los Angeles Coliseum in California on the 4th of July…what color flag do think you will see the most?

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-06 13:14:27

That article didn’t name the vice principal. Another did:

“According to a report in the Morgan Hill Times, the students were sitting at a table outside Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill Wednesday, when assistant principal Miguel Rodriguez approached, and asked them to remove their American flag bandanas. They did, but then were told to go to the principal’s office.”

So, if these students are Mexican-AMERICANS, why would an American flag be disrespectful? Does not compute, unless the flag wearers were taunting people…Sorry about your personal sensitivities, Miguel.

And besides, according to Wiki, this is less a Mexican celebration than a US one.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-06 16:08:55

A few years ago, a friend was in Mexico on May 5th. This was back when Cinco De Mayo was starting to become a big deal in the U.S.

My friend went around the town where he was visiting, hoping to find a merry little fiesta in one of the local bars. Well, according to him, the whole town was dead.

Seems that Cinco isn’t the big thing in Mexico. That’s what my friend concluded.

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Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2010-05-06 13:17:24

How is that not a violation of free speech? If I were those parents I’d have a lawyer all over this. If people like me are getting angry over the PC crap being shoved down our throats you know a breaking point is coming soon.

Comment by rentor
2010-05-06 15:28:45

The Greeks got tired of PC. They thought they were burning banks with bankers in them.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 13:20:44

Actually, it is considered disrespectful to the American flag to wear it in such a manner.

Google rules for displaying the American flag.

Another MSM “mountain out of a molehill” non story.

JUMP!

Comment by Kim
2010-05-06 14:29:27

“Actually, it is considered disrespectful to the American flag to wear it in such a manner.”

You’re right, of course. But Americans were given this neat little constitutional right to disrespect the American flag in the manner and day of our choosing. Schools used to teach their students about these rights and the responsibilities that come with them, but now they’re too focused on teaching the students English as a second language.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-06 16:12:47

My mother is certified as an ESL teacher. She’s been retired from teaching for many years, but I’ll never forget how she taught those classes.

She insisted that her students use proper grammar in whatever language they were using. Didn’t make her a very popular lady, but she was of the mind that if you opened your mouth, you’d best use proper grammar.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 16:36:15

Students don’t have the same rights as adults. Never did.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-05-06 14:13:56

Lunacy like this is why I high tailed out of Mexifornia many years ago.

 
 
Comment by rentor
2010-05-06 12:32:19

12000 Shares of P&G traded at 40.
4000 shares of 3M @ apprx. price 69

Cause a few billion $ gyration is stock market. Stocks like Apple droped close to 20 % for a few minutes.

P&G has contacted SEC.

Which ever exchange allowed this should have licence revoked.

Comment by rentor
2010-05-06 12:37:09
Comment by packman
2010-05-06 13:24:50

Thanks for the charts. Wow - the post-mortem on today’s action is going to be interesting.

 
 
Comment by rentor
2010-05-06 13:25:16

Latest on P&G trade originated @ Citi. Pronounced S*itty

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-06 16:11:08

So would that make Uncle Sam, meaning we the taxpayers, liable for lawsuits from people who got burned from the spurious trade?

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-06 12:40:06

So what set off the near 1000 point freefall?

Comment by rentor
2010-05-06 12:54:38

CNBC said it was P&G and 3M see above post.

Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 14:30:14

I am not buying into the… Some trader with a fat finger triggered the drop. But of course I don’t have any trust in the bastards anyway. Sounds like a lame excuse, and ‘if’ the system is that easy to crash, then it one sorry ass system.

Comment by rentor
2010-05-06 15:36:26

The situation is fluid it wasn’t a fat finger but a restless computer. A number of small sell at market orders were routed to a computer at the same time NYSE specialist declined to deal with sell at any price. Basically created drop, as computer sought a buyer at any price for instantaneous executions. In a down market this is akin to a Zebra watching a pride of lions chasing one of your relatives in the jungle.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 12:58:57

Bernanke Warns Against Move to Audit Fed:
By TOM BARKLEY And MICHAEL R. CRITTENDEN WSJ

“Such amendments, if enacted, would seriously threaten monetary policy independence, increase inflation fears and market interest rates, and damage economic stability and job creation,” Mr. Bernanke wrote. ;-)

Hwy’s millionaire tax expert older brother, age 15:

“Dad, please….pleaaaaaassssseeee… don’t left up the mattress…” :-)

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-06 13:11:19

“…..seriously threaten…….damage economic stability and job creation.”

Not to mention reduce the heartbreak of psoriasis.

Talk like this make you think that these a-hole believe that Wall Street is the only place that matters.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-06 13:17:25

:lol:

Good one, Hwy. What’s left that he didn’t mention, a threat to homeland security? I suppose that’ll be next.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-06 13:21:10

Oil settles near $77 as stock market plummets
Oil prices slide with stock market, AP

“Gasoline prices reached levels that were eating into the consumer’s ability to pay rents or mortgages, and the higher price was acting as a massive tax on the economy. How prices act on the next rally will tell us more about how large a sell-off we may have coming.”

Cheers!

Comment by Left Ohio
2010-05-06 14:39:17

With 10% reported unemployment and 15%+ actual unemployment, what exactly were the fundamentals supporting $85/bbl?

Gas above $3/Gal = no recovery for Main Street.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-06 16:14:29

OTOH, high gas prices have been absolutely wonderful for the bike shops. I seem to recall reading that, since around 2004, bicycles have outsold cars in the U.S.

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-05-06 13:24:55

A first?

Is this the first stock “meltdown” in over 20 years that the stocks were crushed while Gold and PM’s advanced?? Gold up $32?? It’s been a long time since I saw an up day like that.

In every stock meltdown I can remember, PM’s got crushed as well.

Not today.

Comment by packman
2010-05-06 13:40:35

Same thing happened last Tuesday, though not to the same extent - DJI was down 150, Gold was up $18 or so.

In a word: debt.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 13:55:44

Violent Movie Declares War on Arizona for Immigration Law
FOXNews.com

A violent new film from cult director Robert Rodriguez is declaring war on Arizona with a “special Cinco de Mayo message” in the wake of the state’s controversial illegal immigration law.

That message is: “They just f—ed with the wrong Mexican.”

“Machete,” which features a knife-wielding Mexican assassin out for revenge against double-crossing gringos, won’t be in theaters until September, but it is already sparking a political melee over Wednesday’s stab at the Grand Canyon State.

In the trailer for the film, the title character is hired to assassinate an anti-immigration U.S. senator played by Robert De Niro. Protesters are seen waving nationalist signs as the senator speaks to a charged-up rally: “We are at war,” he booms. “Every time an illegal dances across our border, it is an act of aggression against this sovereign state — an overt act of terrorism.”

But before the trailer even begins, the battle-scarred title character stares out from the screen as he tells viewers that what’s about to unfold — an immigration-laced slasher grindhouse flick — is about the current border battle in Arizona.

Comment by Kim
2010-05-06 14:13:58

I wonder what kind of outcry would happen if the storyline took place in Mexico and it was a gringo out for revenge?

Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2010-05-06 15:58:08

What the heck did we do to Mexico anyway? Is it land dispute and/or are there some reparations owed.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-06 15:53:51

I had an errand to run yesterday evening. Headed down along the bar-hopping district of 4th Avenue. I was expecting to face a gauntlet of University of Arizona students using Cinco de Mayo as an excuse to celebrate the last day of the spring semester. And other kinds of drunks. Tucson has quite an abundance of them.

Well, to my great surprise, the 4th Avenue bar crowd wasn’t any bigger than it was on any other Wednesday evening.

Onward I pedaled toward Downtown. Surely Congress Street, which also has quite a few nightclubs and bars, would be hopping.

Nope.

Seems that the Cinco Drinko crowd wasn’t into getting blasted during the 5:30 - 6:30 p.m. timeframe. Quite a contrast from St. Patrick’s Day, when the aforementioned venues were already packed by that time.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-06 14:21:43

Greek Debt Crisis On Verge Of ‘Going Global’: Pimco’s El-Erian
6 May 2010 CNBC.com

Riots erupted in Greece again on Thursday night to protest austerity measures.

About an hour or so after El-Erian spoke, global stocks sold off sharply with major US averages shedding more than 3 percent.

Speaking as Greek austerity measures won enough votes to be approved by parliament, El-Erian offered a stern warning about the potential of the crisis to escalate into something resembling, though not duplicating, the 2008-09 financial crisis.

“We’ve seen a crisis start in a country—Greece—become regional, impact the whole of the Euro zone and is on the verge of truly going global,” said El-Erian, CEO of the world’s biggest bond fund.

He said the debt is a “transmission mechanism to go from country to region to global. So we should take this very seriously.”

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-06 16:53:56

Moody’s warning too.

“In a report on the potential consequences for lenders, Moody’s Investor Service said that firms in Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland and the UK could face “very real, common threats” if the difficulties spread to these other debt-laden nations.”

Moody’s, which has maintained the UK’s triple-A credit rating, also said the UK was “working its way through a series of challenges towards recovery”.

“The UK is in a difficult position: if it were to tighten fiscal conditions too quickly, then this could lead to further asset quality challenges in the banking system, potentially choking off economic recovery,” the report said.

“Alternatively, if the UK did not tighten fiscal conditions soon and credibly enough, then the financial flexibility of the sovereign may diminish as market opinion may move against the UK.”
**********

Rock, meet hard place.

 
 
Comment by NoVa RE Supernova
2010-05-06 14:25:49

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2010/100505home_foreclosures_up.html

U.S. Housing Headed for New Collapse; Foreclosures Everywhere

May 5, 2010 (EIRNS)—The foreclosure tsunami in the United States, incredibly, is still rising in its fifth year, having increased another 7% in the first quarter, reaching 16% higher than the first quarter of last year, and headed for an unprecedented 4 million foreclosures in 2010, according to RealtyTrac. And the U.S. home market — home prices and the bank assets based on them — are now going into a second-wave collapse, joining the ongoing collapse of commercial real estate in a bank-destroying wave.

If LaRouche’s Homeowners and Bank Protection Act (HBPA) had been passed back in 2007, when he first proposed it, we would be telling a different tale.

Scorning Obama’s pathetic “foreclosure prevention” program for more than a year now, home losses were still spiking by another 19% even from February to March. And banks repossessed 35% more homes in the first quarter than they had in the terrible year 2009, reaching the highest level ever of repos in a quarter—56,000.

Now the White House’s speculation-driving “homebuyers’ tax credit” giveaway of $8,000/house has ended; and with literally millions of foreclosed homes to be sold by banks or “short sold” by distressed households, residential housing values—falling only slowly for the past four months—will go into a new plunge in the second and third quarter.

In the commercial real estate/securities collapse, the national average commercial real estate market price has now fallen 41% from its 2007 peak, and is continuing to plunge. In 2010, through last week, 64 U.S. banks had failed, totalling $61 billion in assets, more than double the 2009 rate of failures. Of the 100 banks that had the highest ratio, on Jan. 1, of commercial real estate loans to their total capital, 42 have already failed. “Commercial real estate exposure has become a frighteningly accurate predictor of bank health”—or death—reported Fox Business News.

 
Comment by NoVa RE Supernova
2010-05-06 14:53:14

http://larouchepub.com/hzl/2010/3718euro_not_greek.html

There Is No `Greek’ Crisis: It’s the Euro That Has Failed
by Helga Zepp-LaRouche

Greece and many other countries in the Eurozone and around the world are insolvent. The southern Eurozone countries are EU520 billion in debt to Germany alone, and about the same amount to other countries. Greece alone would need EU135 billion over the next three years. A wildfire is threatening to spread: Spain, whose banks are closely intertwined with those of Great Britain, is a much bigger problem, but also Portugal, Italy, and Ireland will soon require enormous sums of money. The crisis has long since developed into a systemic banking crisis, government bankruptcies, and, in reality, the failure of the euro. But Britain and the U.S. are also insolvent. We are dealing with a breakdown crisis of the system.

The therapy that the international financial institutions are ordering is fatal, and would lead directly to the death of the patient—namely, the world economy. What the IMF, European Central Bank (ECB), European Commission, and financial interests are demanding—on the one hand, endless rescue packages paid for with taxpayer money, and on the other, “draconian austerity measures” for the recipient countries—will lead to hyperinflation, and will plunge the recipient countries into a deep depression. These measures are just as disastrous in their effects as they are hair-raisingly incompetent.

The “tough austerity policy” that is being demanded of Greece means cutting the standard of living by 30% (!) and will destroy more jobs and capacity, not to mention any thought of new productive investment—Chancellor Brüning sends his greetings from the 1930s. The trade unions are talking about the most serious attack on workers’ rights since the military junta, and are planning a general strike. As Greece already has hardly any industry, the IMF demand, that it pay off its debts by increasing its exports, is downright absurd. How much more olives and wine will we have then? And if Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble says that the bailout would not cost the German taxpayer a thing, because Greece will pay everything back, then his nose must now be so long, that it reaches from Berlin to Athens.

IMF chief Dominque Strauss-Kahn and ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet have used massive pressure to thwart Chancellor Angela Merkel’s plans to delay a decision on the question of Greece until after the election in North Rhine-Westphalia on May 9. Now, the Bundestag is expected to approve, on the Friday before the election, a bill on the Greek package. Once the text of the law is known, the four professors Joachim Starbatty, Wilhelm Hankel, Karl-Albrecht Schachtschneider, and Wilhelm Nölling, who previously filed a lawsuit against the euro, will submit a new complaint to the Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe, and request a preliminary injunction. German participation in the rescue package could even pave the way for a return to the D-mark, for in the opinion of some constitutional lawyers, such as former federal judge Paul Kirchhof, German participation in the euro could be called question if the Monetary Union no longer upholds the principles of monetary stability. In a ruling of October 1993, the Karlsruhe court, in its so-called “Maastricht Judgment,” granted any future German government the right to leave the Monetary Union, if the stability of the euro should be exposed as a deception and its value should fall below the standard represented by the D-mark.

As Professor Starbatty stressed in an interview with Neue Solidarität, if Karlsruhe accedes to the complaint of the four professors, a dynamic situation will emerge; whereas if the suit is dismissed, “the Monetary Union slides into a state of instability and inflation….. But may God prevent that from happening.”

 
Comment by NoVa RE Supernova
2010-05-06 14:57:12

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2010/lar_pac/100505gl-st_to_senate.html

With Obama Opposed, Glass-Steagall Heads to the Senate Floor

May 6, 2010 (EIRNS)—This release was issued today by the Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee (LPAC).

Economist Lyndon LaRouche has posed the one way to exit this worsening financial/economic disaster: a global restoration of the Glass-Steagall principle to separate real investment from toxic speculation in banking; and formation of a fixed-exchange-rate credit system by nations for new infrastructural investments.

In the United States, legislation to restore the authority of the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act—disastrously repealed a decade ago—will be put on the Senate floor for debate this week, in the form of a Cantwell-McCain amendment to the Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010 (the so-called “Dodd bill”). The Obama White House, the Federal Reserve, and Tim Geithner’s Treasury have made clear they oppose this Glass-Steagall amendment by Senators Maria Cantwell and John McCain. But the Senators have stated their intention to put Glass-Steagall forward, and Dodd has had to accept the amendment for debate, according to The Hill. Two days ago Sen. Mark Warner, who opposes Glass-Steagall restoration, acknowledged that it likely had the votes to pass the Senate.

In Senate action today, the Dodd bill was amended, 95-3, by changes pushed by GOP Sen. Richard Shelby, with which Dodd came to agreement. The key change Shelby demanded and got, was “a ban on the use of Federal funds to bail out banks,” as he put it, and strong restrictions on the Federal Reserve’s “emergency lending” to banks on indiscriminate collateral, under the “unusual and exigent circumstances” rubric used in the bail-outs.

This defense against bail-outs won by Shelby is significant for its reflection of the political mass strike underway in the nation. But it would turn out to be no more effective than the “Maginot Line” defense was, without a Glass-Steagall separation of commercial banking from speculative investment banking, and separation of investment credit from debt-leveraged “crap” securities—as Goldman Sachs executives derisively called what they were selling.

The agreement to the Shelby-Dodd amendment means this so-called “Wall Street reform bill” is likely to pass in coming weeks, and puts a focus on the amendments seeking to strengthen it. The key amendments, led by Glass-Steagall, are all being opposed by the Obama White House and Treasury. They must be rammed through the Congress by our mobilization of the mass strike ferment across the country.

 
Comment by james
2010-05-06 15:01:51

One would have to look at the steepness of the drop in the market and say how leveraged is the market such that large in magnitude of a drop can happen. Be it one glitch or not.

Might be the market is all pumped with easy credit and people buying on margin.

Wonder if this is a wake up call. Warning danger warning danger.

Course, might have been some 25 yr old VP at goldman saying “Hey, what happens if I hit the big red reset button?”.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-06 15:51:49

Nasdaq to cancel trades May 6, 2010 6:41 PM ET

All Thomson Reuters news NEW YORK (Reuters) - Nasdaq Operations said it will cancel all trades executed between 2:40 p.m. to 3 p.m. greater or less than 60 percent away from the consolidated last print in that security at 2:40 p.m or immediately prior.

Nasdaq said the stocks affected and break points will be disseminated soon.

(Reporting by Chuck Mikolajczak; Editing by Andrew Hay)

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-06 16:37:57

whoa

WTH IS going on?

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-06 16:57:57

“Greece has convulsed with violent protest over the austerity measures, leading to the deaths of three bank workers yesterday.”

First I’d heard they were bank workers. Thanks Ambrose/UK Telegraph.

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-05-06 19:26:42

There was one precipitating factor which broke NASDAQ’s back during its monster climb, back in March of 2000. A few weeks before the peak, some Canadian teenager launched a massive denial of service attack, taking down many of the major multi-billion dollar companies - Yahoo, Amazon, etc.

It was that moment that I think set off a lightbulb in people’s heads, which led them to wonder just what it was that was supposedly worth so much money. And the rest is history. NASDAQ ten years later is less than half of its peak.

Today, with the Dow… one wonders what it could have been that could cause so much market change in the course of a few minutes. A trader fat-fingering a computer keyboard could cause this? Because if one trader could manipulate the market like this… this might make people wonder just what it is that is supposedly worth so much money.

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-06 19:27:29

Well, looks like the Fed audit amendment was killed.

Dang.

Plan for Congressional Audits of Fed Dies in Senate

Last-minute maneuvering in the Senate allowed the Federal Reserve to sidestep legislation that would have exposed its interest-rate decision-making to congressional auditors.

Pressure from the Obama administration led Senate lawmakers to alter a provision pushed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) that was gaining momentum despite opposition from the Treasury and the Fed. It would have largely repealed a 32-year-old law that shields Fed monetary policy from congressional auditors.

The compromise, endorsed by Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.) and the Treasury, would require the Fed to disclose more details about its lending during the financial crisis. It would also require a one-time audit of those loans and a one-time review of Fed governance. A formal vote was pushed back until next week.

Thursday’s Senate showdown came after senators on the left and right joined forces to support Mr. Sanders’ provision.

How anyone on this board who reasonably knows what’s going on, and has gone on, can still support the Obama administration is beyond me.

Comment by packman
2010-05-06 19:30:20
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-06 20:23:33

Makes me want to cry packman. Our country politicians all of them are owned by Wall Street.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-05-06 20:54:31

If today it were made public that SFgal Bank, a strong, trusted and thriving local bank, was actually in trouble and required special assistance, tomorrow there would be a run on your bank while your stock price plunged.

Someone would be blamed for the failure: The person or persons who allowed that information to be made public. In this case, it’s some politician.

If all the Fed’s actions were revealed, bank failures might be in the thousands.
Might be. It’s only a possibility. But in the eyes of politicians, it’s an unnecessary risk to take. Politicians are owned by their desire to stay in office.

 
 
Comment by bobo4u
2010-05-06 22:26:20

This has become a country of oligarchs, Packy. Democracy, and the rule of law have been eliminated. Matters not which administration currently holds office. The political levers we citizens pull on, were disconnected a long time ago.

Left or right, they’re all crooks now. Worse than the old Soviet Union, methinks.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-06 19:41:41

Looks like the stocks slipped on greece {sp}

Comment by cobaltblue
2010-05-06 20:48:17

If Russia came up from the rear and started poking a hole in Turkey, would Greece help?

Comment by yensoy
2010-05-07 00:53:04

Heard when Poles do it, it breaks all the china.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-07 23:18:53

Bulls in a China shop are typically destructive…

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-07 23:17:35

This is truly an investing tragedy: People with stop loss orders were among those who got creamed by the really big dip on Thursday. “Obviously” they deserve a government-sponsored do-over for their gambling losses.

* MARKETS
* MAY 7, 2010

Winners, Losers Wonder About Final Score

By RANDALL SMITH, JANE J. KIM and JENNY STRASBURG

Investors from day traders to professional money managers who made money during Thursday’s market gyrations wondered whether their trades would be canceled while those who lost money cried foul.

Steven Caruso, who represents investors in claims against Wall Street brokerages, said he got a call Friday from a couple who had sold stock via an order to do so at the market price during Thursday’s decline. The husband and wife received $100,000 less than they expected.

“The message was, ‘We got killed. Can you help?’ ” Mr. Caruso said. “The woman said her husband sold some securities and got taken out of the position at a very low price before things came back,” he said.

Alan B. Lancz, an investment adviser in Toledo, Ohio, said traders at his firm thought they had bought stocks at deeply discounted prices at the market bottom, only to learn many of the trades may get canceled.

“It’s an incredible situation. We have no idea how it’s going to turn out,” Mr. Lancz said. “It’s a little disheartening.”

Whether buying or selling, investors still were dazed Friday trying to understand the dynamics, and velocity, of the stock market’s largest intraday point drop in history. Volatility persisted Friday as the Dow Jones Industrial average fell 139.89 points after seesawing throughout the day.

Among Thursday’s biggest losers were people who had previously placed standing orders to sell if the shares fell below a certain price, also known as a stop-loss order.

Robin Raina, chief executive of Atlanta insurance-software maker Ebix Inc., spent part of Friday consoling investors who lost money because of their stop-loss orders when the company’s stock price slid to 75 cents a share from about $16. When Ebix’s stock price recovered later in the day, those investors were left on the sidelines.

It’s a tragedy. All I could do was to sympathize with them,” said Mr. Raina.

 
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