Bits Bucket For May 16, 2010
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
Post off-topic ideas, links and Craigslist finds here. The DC meetup link at the forum is here. Click here for the shadow inventory thread.
Home Mortgage Interest Deduction In Play
Diana Olick CNBC Real Estate
The Administration isn’t officially considering it, maybe not “actively” considering it, not even taking a side on it per se.
According to “staff” it was just a “musing.”
At a small conclave of reporters, no cameras allowed, the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development was reportedly asked about the mortgage interest deduction, the importance of home ownership and the seeming shift of focus from owning to renting.
That last bit is huge in itself, as pretty much every President dating back to Herbert Hoover and the Home-Loan Discount Banks pushed people to own own own.
Herbert Hoover, Dec. 8, 1931
“I recommend the establishment of a system of home-loan discount banks as the necessary companion in our financial structure of the Federal Reserve Banks and our Federal Land Banks. Such action will relieve present distressing pressures against home and farm property owners.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/37153056
True homeowners own regardless, and pay no mortgage interest. Who makes money and who loses that money when you get a bunch of people who would normally be renters to rent from the bank instead?
+5
Everybody except for bailed-out banks loses.
“That last bit is huge in itself, as pretty much every President dating back to Herbert Hoover and the Home-Loan Discount Banks pushed people to own own own.”
‘A chicken in every pot, and a homeowner in every house.’
Herbert Hoover is dead evidence that the pernicious effects of bad policies can outlive their creators by decades.
Suggest to Barry that he should get rent payments made tax-deductable too….it would only be “fair”. After all, mortgage interest is little more than rent paid by the more well-off members of society.
Greece Considering Legal Action Against U.S. Banks for Crisis.
(Bloomberg) — Greece is considering taking legal action against U.S. investment banks that might have contributed to the country’s debt crisis, Prime Minister George Papandreou said.
“I wouldn’t rule out that this may be a recourse,” Papandreou said, in response to questions about the role of U.S. banks in the crisis, in an interview on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS.” The program, scheduled for broadcast today, was taped on May 13. Neither Papandreou nor Zakaria mentioned any banks by name.
U.S. stocks fell and the euro slumped on concern that Europe wouldn’t be able to contain the debt crisis stemming from Greece. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index declined 1.9 percent May 14, while the euro fell below $1.24 for the first time since November 2008.
Papandreou said the decision on whether to go after U.S. banks will be made after a Greek parliamentary investigation into the cause of the crisis.
“Greece will look into the past and see how things went,” Papandreou said. “There are similar investigations going on in other countries and in the United States. This is where I think, yes, the financial sector, I hear the words fraud and lack of transparency. So yes, yes, there is great responsibility here.”
From Zero Hedge:
“The only benefit of hitting rock bottom is you can’t really fall further. Which is precisely what has happened with Greece. The little country that started off the chain reaction that has already led to a currency and liquidity crisis, and made the solvency crisis in Europe all too tangible, by belonging to a monetary union it had no place in (a union which no reason to exist in the first place), is once again reminding the world of its existence, this time by G-Pap opening his mouth and inserted two whole legs in it. In an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria to be aired today, G-Pap has threatened he may sue US banks for “contributing” to his country’s debt crisis. For those of you lacking in analogy skills, Greece is in the same shoes as a bankrupt debtor who wants to sue his creditors for daring to hike up his interest rate when the only means he has to roll his debt is by using another credit card (this one issued by US and European Taxpayers), even as bankruptcy is literally hours away. The Greek summation: that of a petulant 5 year old who has just broken dad’s favorite gadget: “We have made our mistakes,” Papandreou said. “We are living up to this responsibility. But at the same time, give us a chance. We’ll show you.” Now that would be amusing - after Greece destroyed its economy the first go round, we can’t wait to see what the country does for an encore. The only reason Greece is not bankrupt now is because even as its past mistakes have caught up with it and climaxed in a solvency and liquidity crisis unseen since the Lehman days, the country’s end would bring down all of Europe. If Greece would not have impaired French, German and UK banks, the country would have long been allowed to default. Yet diversion is always a good tactic: let’s bring the “speculators” into this yet again. After all it is unheard of in these turbulent Keynesian times for anyone, especially our own Fed Chairman, to own up to their endless mistakes. It is always, without exception, someone else’s fault.”
After all it is unheard of in these turbulent Keynesian times..
What’s Keynesian about deregulating your financial sector and going on an easy-money credit binge and bust?
It’s interesting to watch the deregulators spin the failure of deregulation and its ensuing cost as somehow being the result of Keynes’ theories in action, when actually it’s quite the opposite. He would have taken the punch bowl away, not spiked it with pure grain.
There never was any serious deregulation, alpha. Repealing 4 out of 5,000 sections of the banking code doesn’t qualify. We’ve been over this many times now and I’m sure you know better.
Choosing not to enforce the regulations is the easiest and most effective form of deregulation- and that’s precisely what happened, as we have seen. Throw in the repeal of Glass-Steagall and a nut-job Fed chairman, and the play was cast. (And the die. )
There never was any serious deregulation??
Lots of deregulation and even more lac of enforcement.
Keynesians recommended taking the punch away when things go overheated. Greenspan added 151 rum to the mix.
But at the same time, give us a chance. We’ll show you.”
Yes - please give lend us MORE money at lower interest rates. We promise to do the right thing this time…
We learned our lesson. You can trust us.
Goldman’s gotta be quakin’ in their jackboots.
I hope they ream G/S real good!
Lane
Is there a legal precedent for a national government going after another nation’s investment banks? This is getting very interesting.
Got popcorn?
Maybe that national government should first go after its own politicians. Our banksters were mere accomplices.
Are GS and the others really ‘American’ investment banks? They behave more like internationals- at least when they’re making money. They’d pack up and leave if they thought it would make them more money, but they can’t find a sweeter gig anywhere else.
I say let the Greeks have at ‘em. I’m not going to defend them out of some misguided patriotism that they’ve never shown themselves.
Indeed.
The banksters have made it very clear they will sell out our nation to make a quick buck. I see no reason we should protect them in turn… hand them over to the Greek rioters.
Robert Schiller- just say the name to an NYC broker and their blood curdles.
The word among the intelligentsia today is- buy now and get 2 years rent free…. How many bought houses recently with money they saved by not paying mortgage for 2 years?
I want to personally thank all of the loan officers, CMBS staff, and all others who profited from this boom for completely destroying my country. We will not see the true damage for 5 years, but it will be amazing. Take a look at Thailand for things to come…..
And what are the Brits thinking about the shake-up of the euro and the European Union? Commentator Ambrose Evans-Pritchard writes:
“The truth is that no British government can ever put Europe on the back-burner and hope it goes away. It hits you in the face, again, and again, and again. This is why so many British ministers end up feeling a visceral hatred for the project.
In my view, the EU elites overstepped the line by ignoring the rejection of the European Constitution by French and Dutch voters, then pushing it through under the guise of the Lisbon Treaty without a popular vote, except in Ireland, and when Ireland voted ‘No’, to ignore that too. The enterprise has become illegitimate – it is starting to exhibit the reflexes of tyranny.”
EU=Pee-yew. About time that rotten construct fell apart. But, whew, are they ever trying to save it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100516/bs_nm/us_germany_merkel
Mad Cow Merkel is still parroting her globalist masters’ script about “bridging the gap” between the EU’s strongest and weaker members. Translation for German taxpayers: more involuntary “redistribution of wealth” from you to the banksters to pay for the sins of your corrupt and profligate southern neighbors. Coming soon to a US state near you, courtesy of the Republicrat senators and “representatives” that YOU elected.
James K. Galbraith: Why the ‘Experts’ Failed to See How Financial Fraud Collapsed the Economy
I write to you from a disgraced profession… the study of financial fraud received little attention. Practically no research institutes exist; collaboration between economists and criminologists is rare; in the leading departments there are few specialists and very few students. Economists have soft- pedaled the role of fraud in every crisis they examined, including the Savings & Loan debacle, the Russian transition, the Asian meltdown and the dot.com bubble. They continue to do so now…
http://maxkeiser.com/
I call the era almost ended the White Collar Riot.
Nice band name.
I think there might actually be a band, or something.
I am reading his father’s book (John Kenneth Galbraith) “The Great Crash” from 1961. He warns about the need to remember 1929, knowing that we would eventually forget it.
Chapter 4 is titled “In Goldman, Sachs we trust”
The book spends a lot of time on the psychology of the (1926) Florida Housing bubble.
Change the dates and the story is the same. He was a “leftie” in his day.
They didn’t fail. They purposely ignored it. Period.
REhobbist made a good point yesterday in regards to ridding ourselves of incumbents:
“It’s a bummer that every incumbent senator and us rep is replaced by a state legislator. In my state, California, by the time they become a state legislator they have usually become corrupted by their time as a councilman or county supervisor.”
This site lists the races and candidates:
http://www.politics1.com/states.htm
While it’s nearly impossible to find actual honest candidates It does help to choose those lower on the corruption learning curve. In Massachusetts that entails eliminating any candidate with Sheriff, Treasurer or Turnpike attached to their current position….
The only way “honest candidates” are going to emerge, or stand a chance at upsetting the status quo, is if honest citizens start ACTING like citizens of the Republic instead of mindlessly participating in the partisan Republicrat puppet show. That means stepping up with your time, energy, and money.
Imagine if Ron Paul would have secured ten percent or more of the popular vote in 2008 instead of the five percent he got - it would have sent a clear message to the Fed, Wall Street, and their Establishment GOP creatures. Instead, the great majority of the American sheeple showed that they’re OK with massive Wall Street rip-offs and corporate control of “their” government.
Unfortunately, you are right about the sheeple’s acceptance of the things as they are politically. But I believe the legislative branch is fundamentally broken. And as Hard Rain said, “…by the time they become a state legislator they have usually become corrupted by their time as a councilman or county supervisor.” I believe that even a completely green citizen newly elected to Congress would be turned and corrupted within a short time. It is the system as a paradigm that is flawed. It is the representation action that has failed us.
Remember that this form of government, representative democracy, is only one form of democracy, and in the US this instance is considerably immature considering that some form democracy has been around since the ancient Greeks. I believe if we look at the US form of democracy today we will see that the one element that has failed us is the legislative branch. The elected officials who have sworn to “represent” us long ago figured out that they could “represent” themselves and their best interests by in effect selling the votes meant to be our voice to the highest bidder. With the money and power they collect as political prostitutes they can effectively bamboozle the ever less than attentive sheeple to re-elect them.
So my point is that it is much harder to change people than process. The process needs and can be altered. Work toward a direct democracy for surely the tyranny of the masses is better than the tyranny of the ruling class.
Home Starts, Leading Index Probably Rose: U.S. Economy Preview
(Bloomberg) — Home construction probably picked up in April, the growth outlook improved and the cost of living was little changed, showing the U.S. economy is expanding without stoking inflation, economists said before reports this week.
Work began on 650,000 houses at an annual pace last month, the most since November 2008, according to the median forecast of 62 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News before Commerce Department figures on May 18. Other reports may show the index of leading indicators climbed for a 13th straight month, while consumer prices rose 0.1 percent.
A government tax credit worth as much as $8,000 helped sales of new houses surge in March by the most in five decades, which may lead to a rebound in construction in coming months after builders trimmed inventories. Minutes of the Federal Reserve’s April meeting, also due this week, may shed more light on policy makers’ assessment of the economy.
The tax incentive “gave a boost to developers too,” said Michael Englund, chief economist at Action Economics LLC in Boulder, Colorado. “The economy is growing at a modest pace, and in the short run, there’s no reason to worry about inflation.”
“Home construction probably picked up in April,”
You know, that’s the second or third time I’ve seen this word “probably” in some post about the economy. What gives? Do you suppose economic reporters are getting a little cautious after all their false positive BS?
Keep at it, boyz. Tell us what else “probably” happened.
There will “probably” be some more “unexpected.”
I guess Ben understands the West a lot better than I do. This blows my mind.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/business/16builder.html?src=me&ref=general
“Home prices in Las Vegas are down by 60 percent from 2006 in one of the steepest descents in modern times. There are 9,517 spanking new houses sitting empty. An additional 5,600 homes were repossessed by lenders in the first three months of this year and could soon be for sale.”
“Yet builders here are putting up 1,100 homes, and they are frantically buying lots for even more.”
“Las Vegas is trying to recover by building what it does not need. It is an unlikely pattern being repeated in many of the areas where the housing crash was most severe.”
Unbelievable. There is enormous demand for housing in NYC, if (big if) it can be delivered an an affordable price. But out in the desert? I’m not surprised that builders would want to build, but who is financing that stuff?
Oh shoot. I just double posted this below.
Oops.
They are insane and this will not end well. Again.
“… but who is financing that stuff?”
An excellent question. Anyone know?
We, the taxpayers are, indirectly.
Can’t you commute between LV and NYC? Problem solved.
I’m out west and I don’t understand it. I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I say the explanation is it’s mere stupidity to put up more new homes in he sea of vacant homes in Las Vegas metro.
But the question remains: Where is the money coming from?
Some of them are using their own money. In the end a fool and their easy bubble money will be soon parted. Reality will hit them by next year. Give it time. Patience is a virtue. This show will get a lot interesting in 2011 and 2012.
I know lots of builders and they are a bunch of clueless fcuks. They are living in denial and have been drinking their own cool aid along with NAR’s cool aid. They think we are out of recession, prices have bottom out. The only changes they have made to their business model as far as I can tell is using the phrase green building and are building smaller houses. As they happen to be business associates and friends I wonder what kind of work they could qualify to do if they were not talking on their cell phones most of the day. The real answer is not much. They are a bunch of J6P’s with no place to go or do. Some of them got lucky during the housing bubble and think they are special. I find this to be true about some realtors also. I know a fellow who has his own real estate company and is always saying how the Govt should give 15K to the first time buyer and we will solve this recession problem. I just nod at his stupidity and smile.
People have a hard time realizing that their career choice has come a cropper…..
In 1991 I realized that the collapse of the USSR meant my long-term career as a EE in defense work was not very promising. I had to cash in my 401(k) funds and put myself back through school at the age of 40 in order to re-invent myself into a new career (in my case as a patent attorney). Most people don’t do this and try to extend a “dead” career long past the expiration date.
These builder guys have to take a long look at reality and try to figure out what to do for the rest of their life.
I was a “feral employee” back then, working in defense. Earning far less than you most likely in 1991. That goes with the employer, you know. I stuck around another five years before going to private industry as a salaried engineer. Still not earning much, coming off of eleven years of federal employee. But in those days I met consultants who inspired me to ditch stability in life. I was almost married to a wonderful woman. She was on her way to being the breadwinner if we married, since she was higher educated than me. But I had family members I was responsible for with terminal illnesses. I decided to give up stability and social life for flexibility and high income.
You are probably doing very well as a patent attorney, but you probably could be doing very well as a defense consultant too. On Friday I was just told by my young supervisor he’s extending my contract through December of this year.
I live a very simple and humble life. I can buy a new Jaguar, or a new BMW M5 for cash. Toss in a house in Ahwatukee (suburb of Phoenix) west of 42nd street - for cash. But I don’t have any reason to. At this point we are on the precipice of world economic peril and perhaps worldwide serfdom. I am pretty much happy to live cheaply so that I can live through this. The toys will be much cheaper in two or three years.
we are on the precipice of world economic peril
that’s what I think
BMW M5 pretty flashy
Well in Stephen King’s THE STAND, all the evil people who survived the Captain Tripps super-flu bug gravitated to Las Vegas. Maybe the satanic developers are getting prepared? Just sayin’
Doin’ my best to be ready in Boulder.
It just means that nothing was learned, nothing has changed, we still have a huge swath of the population that believes the manure that the NAR has been spreading around for years now.
Exactly correct.
The Bubble Believers are everywhere, and even personal losses of tens of thousands of dollars or more will not change their beliefs.
One thing I got a kick out the article was the stated “fact” that FBs want new houses with the lastest styles and fads and that none of them want to buy any of those 5 year old “dated” houses.
Has it not ocurred to the potential FBs that today’s “current” houses will be “dated” in 5 years and they won’t be able to unload them?
yeah but they’ll be divorced, BK and gone by then.
No capitulation in the real estate market?
After looking around my local market, in more depth, recently. It’s very obvious we have not experienced the capitulation phase of the market decline, yet. The kool aid still flows, in a different flavor. I saw a lot of sellers looking to take advantage of the tax credit, with high asking prices. And buyers more more concerned with making the tax credit deadline than the price they were paying. Flipper activity is way up, in the last year. I was amazed at the amount of flip properties I saw for sale. The quick buck artists are out in force.
I guess the question I’m asking is, “What are the signs we should be looking for, that the real estate market has capitulated and bottomed”?
I guess the question I’m asking is, “What are the signs we should be looking for, that the real estate market has capitulated and bottomed”?
I think back to the last real crash in the USA 1990-1992.
1. Articles in the paper showing that it is cheaper to buy than rent
2. When you tell people you are going to buy, they look at you as if you are crazy and tell you Real Estate is the worst investment in the world
3. Shows on TV showing real estate agents and construction companies going bankrupt
4. You are treated like a king when looking for a house
5. All offers will be accepted - we can work with that!
6. Articles on how to walk away from a house
7. People crying because they put $100,000 into a house and maybe bumped up the value $10,000
8. When housing sells for 2x the average annual income in an area - and STILL goes begging
9. People dread inheriting a house - even if full paid off
10. Vacation homes are for the really rich
11. Real Estate agents are generally poor and do the work part time because they can’t make a living in it full time
Some of there things are starting to come true in certain areas…
The Savings & Loan disaster took around 4 years to bottom out.
With only 7% unemployment.
We are in approx. year 3 with 10% unemployment.
2banana made some good suggestions as well.
A tough time for self-employed borrowers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/realestate/16mort.html?src=me&ref=realestate
“The self-employed borrower’s only choice, mortgage brokers say, is to submit two years’ tax returns and hope that they qualify for a conventional loan.”
“That would not be a problem, the brokers said, if all self-employed people filled out their tax returns conservatively. But in this economic climate, the self-employed have been more likely to lighten their tax liabilities by taking business deductions, thereby lowering their official income levels, as well as the likelihood of qualifying for a loan.”
Look, you either have income or you don’t. If your business has lost money the past two years but earned money before that, how about submitting five years of tax returns? Ten years of tax returns?
The self employed have been getting the shaft for a long time.
For some reason, it’s legal for a CORPORATE entity to receive huge tax write offs but not for a REAL PERSON.
“Let them eat cake” indeed.
No. Let them eat fish!. Size does matter for some CORPORATE entities. Some have shafts up too a mile long or longer. Don’t worry Lloyds of London will save the US, and the rest of us. Their going to fix this situation soon! Just a cake walk
Expats Fear New ‘Express Demolition’ Law (Spain will now only give 30 days notice until they demolish your house)
news dot kyero.com/2010/05/14/expats-fear-new-express-demolition-law/
May 14th, 2010
Owners of homes which are retrospectively judged to have fallen foul of regional planning rules can now be given just one month’s notice that council bulldozers are being sent in, as part of a crackdown on excessive development in one of Spain’s most popular regions.
Thousands of homes that were bought or built in good faith across the area are at risk since the regional authority began reviewing local councils’ planning approvals – and concluded that in many cases, permission to build should never have been granted.
The threat of sending in bulldozers at short notice has horrified the estimated 5,000 Britons with properties in the hillsides of Almanzora, one of the worst affected areas 60 miles north of the coastal city of Almeria in southern Spain.
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“Spain is a lovely country with friendly people and a wonderful lifestyle but when it comes to law, this is the Third World,” Mr Brown said, standing amid rusting cans and scattered breeze blocks where his swimming pool was supposed to be.
“It was always our dream to retire here and we worked hard to do it. But now I wish I had never bought a property. People in Britain who are thinking of coming here should know what they are letting themselves in for.”
Other residents of the region were equally perturbed. Expatriates fear that any day an official could knock on their door with a legal order declaring their dream home was built without the requisite permission. Every time a JCB digger drives into the area there is panic.
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The result has been crippling for Britons who in most cases bought in good faith, trusting Spanish property developers, lawyers and local officials to provide the correct paperwork. Most have been horrified to discover their houses may lack the necessary permission.
“Spain is a lovely country with friendly people and a wonderful lifestyle but when it comes to law, this is the Third World,”
LOL, Spain practically invented the Third World, in the Western Hemisphere, anyway.
Anglo and Hispanic systems of law are incompatible, as a practical matter.
“Anglo and Hispanic systems of law are incompatible, as a practical matter.”
Interesting observation. I’m sorry to say it looks as if the U.S. is evolving from one system to the other.
This is the clash that is being discussed in the Arizona Republic today in the guise of “immigration reform.” Editorial by Linda Chavez fails to acknowledge the majority of Americans are interested in enforcing the law and do not want to give illegals any preferential treatment to citizenship. The comments to the articles have mostly been turned off because they mostly oppose any immigration reform and favor shipping out the illegals. Chavez’ editorial was about how Arizona is torn apart about the issue. I would not call 70% of Arizonans versus less than 30% “torn apart.” Some of the 30% are undecided, for one thing.
Let’s have another survey. Is it okay to steal from your neighbor to feed your kid? I bet 70% would say it’s not okay, but I bet over 10% would say yes. So should we be upset if society is torn apart because there are strong arguments for and against stealing?
Correction in above: “Linda Valdez.”
I’m sorry to say it looks as if the U.S. is evolving from one system to the other
I don’t expect a smooth evolution…more like dumping oil into water and wondering when they’re doing to dissolve into each other.
Timely example.
The English-speaking peoples have law derived from English common law. The countries on the continent in contrast have purely codified law, derived from such sources as the Napoleonic code, known generally as “civil law”. The membership of the UK in the EU is especially stupid because of this fact.
so why the push among the elites to bring civil law to UK and US?
Is there one?
Montana,
Sadly I believe the elites want to establish a tyrany with themselves as the bosses: a new set of Napoleons, Kaisers, Czars, and Hitlers.
The countries of Europe have always been at risk of invasion by their neighbors, hence the poor ragged common folk have sold their freedom to their governments in exchange for protection from foreign invaders.
Britain was always different. It was on an island and the urge to exchange freedom for security was much less powerful.
The global monetary “problems” are far greater then the collapse of Lehman Bro’s. Gene-Clod
Trichet: economy in deepest crisis since WWII
ECB President Trichet sees economy in deepest crisis since WWII or even WWI
BERLIN (AP) — The President of the European Central Bank was quoted Saturday as saying that he still sees Europe’s economy in its deepest crisis since World War II, or even World War I.
German news weekly Der Spiegel reported that Jean-Claude Trichet said that since the beginning of the financial crisis in 2008 “we have experienced and we are experiencing really dramatic times.”
Trichet was quoted as saying that there was no doubt the economy “is in its most difficult situation since World War II or perhaps even since World War I.”
In an interview to be published Monday, Trichet said the recent exacerbation of the eurozone’s debt crisis had provoked a market reaction similar to that at the height of the global financial crisis in 2008.
“The markets didn’t function anymore, it was almost like in the wake of the Lehman (Brothers) bankruptcy in September 2008,” he was quoted as saying.
Dude’s got Weimar on the brain. Print, baby. Print.
Perhaps last week’s Eurozone bailout was too paltry to alleviate sovereign debt default fears?
The Financial Times
Fears grow over weaker euro
By Peter Garnham and David Oakley in London and Henny Sender in New York
Published: May 14 2010 23:03 | Last updated: May 14 2010 23:16
The euro has tumbled to its lowest level in 18 months and might be entering a period of sustained weakness, analysts believe, on fears of years of weak economic growth as austerity measures across the continent bite.
Spain and Portugal this week both announced austerity packages, which were likely to act as a drag on economic expansion in the 16-nation bloc.
Deterioration in sentiment towards the euro has raised concerns that its appeal as a reserve currency, a major support for it in recent years, is diminishing.
“The euro should continue to weaken, potentially quite significantly,” said Mansoor Mohi-uddin, managing director of foreign exchange strategy at UBS.
The euro fell to a low of $1.2359 against the dollar on Friday, its weakest level since November 2008. This took the single currency’s losses to 5 per cent since hitting an intraday high of $1.3093 on Monday.
Sellers of peripheral eurozone sovereign debt have included some of the largest US debt investors, such as Pimco, people familiar with the matter said. Pimco has sold all its holdings of Greek and Portuguese sovereign debt, one such person said.
In some cases, leading money managers have come under pressure from their investors to change their guidelines to rule out purchases of the sovereign debt of peripheral eurozone countries.
“We think it is too risky to buy Greece and Portugal,” said the head of one of the largest US asset managers. “The chance of restructuring is too high. When there is default risk, you scale your exposure differently. There is no value. But even if there was value, our investors still don’t want us to invest.”
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Geithner Says Europe’s Crisis Won’t Hurt U.S. Economy
Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner says the U.S. is unlikely to be hurt by any fallout from the European debt crisis. That’s because “our economy is getting stronger. We’re seeing a lot of strength, improvement and confidence,” he tells Bloomberg TV. But there are reasons why he may be wrong.
Geithner Silent on Potential Problems
Geithner skirted two key issues. The first is that the large U.S. banks hold an unknown amount of sovereign debt from European nations. Most American financial firms probably hold securities in European banks. Defaults on any of these bonds could hurt both U.S. bank capital ratios and earnings.
The other potential problem is that Europe is a large trading partner with the U.S., and many American exporters rely on their ability to sell goods in the region. If the financial situation in several eurozone nations deteriorates either because of new high taxes or unemployment’s effects, it could do significant damage to American exports.
Geithner knows all this. But the Treasury Secretary must have decided it was best to have these issues remain unvoiced.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/geithner-europes-crisis-hurt-economy/19478568/
So, it’s all still contained then?
Geithner has lost his mind.
We’re screwed.
Well, the problem is that the plutocrats still consider “the economy” as their own economic situation. So, no, the European crisis won’t hurt Geithner’s bank account, so he couldn’t care less about it.
Alert! Wall Street traders are coming for middle class jobs! Be sure to click the link in the story to read the letter this trader wrote. Whoa, these boyz are REALLY divorced from reality.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/05/12/this-is-why-i-hate-wall-street-people.aspx
Saw that just last week.
Fake or not, there is no doubt of its general veracity. From “…doing gods works” too “We need to retain talent” (what talent? for destruction?), the verifiable quotes and actions freely and easily found on the Internet speak for themselves.
I’m sure there are some very nice people who work on Wall St., but who cares? What’s that old saying about lying with dogs?
“What’s that old saying about lying with dogs?”
Yep. My dad used to quote that all the time when I wuz a pup and sometimes fell in with evil companions.
LOL. Heard that line a time or two myself. Always tried to convince Pops that I was striving to help my cronies mend their miscreant ways. Never could produce actual evidence of any leavening effect, however.
I know a former wall street trader who lost his job and became an elevator operator. He latched on very fast - his new job has its ups and downs.
Ta Da Dum!
I advised my teenage daughter to consider a career in finance.
By the time she emerges from college, everyone now in the field will be discredited.
And they will be locked into a lifestyle that will be unaffordable at the wages they are worth.
How about a career in financial regulation? I am guessing that will be a growth industry over the next couple of decades…
“I will seriously consider eliminating the penny.”
~ Candidate Barack Obama, 2008.
I would seriously consider eliminating the nickel too.
2:30 PM 05/11/10 Economy, Investing, Currency
The big problem is that some U.S. coins cost more to make than they are actually worth. The prices of coin metals, which fell to five-year lows at the beginning of 2009, have risen back to 2007 levels, driving the production price of some coins up above their face value. According to the United States Mint’s 2009 Annual Report, pennies currently cost 1.6 cents apiece to produce and nickels cost 6 cents apiece; more recent estimates claim that the cost of manufacturing a nickel is closer to 9 cents.
Candidate Obama said a lot of things.
Most, if not all, candidates say whatever will get their audience to vote for them … once in office they may change their mind - this seems to be the “change” we were promised.
I would like to thank those for their input on my situation posted in yesterdays Bits. Like always, I will take the wisdom of some of the very smart people who post here and leave the rest. I only had 1 reply to 1 comment.
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-15 19:24:27
Move. Start looking now. Keep your nose out of their personal lives figure out how to get of there soonest.
Reply to this comment
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-16 04:41:29
“Keep your nose out of their personal lives”
They told me where they worked and what they did for a living. It`s not like I had them fill out an application with there personal info on it like they had me do. I just moved in March and I am looking for another place now. It would be a lot easier if I didn`t have kids that are in High School like both of these LL`s and a dog like both of these LL`s (once again they told me I didn`t get that from a credit app.) But hey you are right, otherwise the personal lives of these tax paid leeches on society is none of my business.
Jeff, I only meant that you’ll feel better and be better prepared when the building goes into foreclosure by focusing on covering your A and spending less energy worrying about what a-holes other people are.
I sincerely wish you luck and hope you find a better place to live. I’ve moved a LOT all my life and there is nothing more comforting than finding a place you can stay for a while.
I guess I took it the wrong way. Thanks.
“The Savings & Loan disaster took around 4 years to bottom out”
That was without gubberment supports…
Last time, the government did everything they could to punish us in real estate,” said Craig Hall, founder of Frisco-based Hall Financial Group. “They caused a deflationary spiral in commercial real estate.
Not so this go-round.
Banking regulators have allowed many lenders to carry bad commercial property mortgages on their books and usually haven’t forced write-downs and foreclosures.
Government-sponsored lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are making apartment loans…
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-CREpanel_15bus.ART0.State.Edition1.407ce4a.html
“Not so this go-round.”
It may be too early to tell. I know lots of Asians who are champing at the bit to invest in U.S. real estate at the moment, and this is the tip of a large iceberg of greater fools with bank. After a few more of these sink their cash into the U.S. RE market, that would be a good time to let the deflationary spiral run its course…
The Asians forgot what happened the last time they invested into cheap commercial real estate.
The S&L disaster saw the creation of the RTC (Resolution Trust Company) which was a GSE.
Also:
1. The Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB) and the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation (FSLIC) were abolished.
2. The Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS), a bureau of the Treasury Department, was created to charter, regulate, examine, and supervise savings institutions.
3. The Federal Housing Finance Board (FHFB) was created as an independent agency to oversee the 12 federal home loan banks (also called district banks).
4. The Savings Association Insurance Fund (SAIF) replaced the FSLIC as an ongoing insurance fund for thrift institutions (like the FDIC, the FSLIC was a permanent corporation that insured savings and loan accounts up to $100,000). SAIF is administered by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.
5. The Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC) was established to dispose of failed thrift institutions taken over by regulators after January 1, 1989. The RTC will make insured deposits at those institutions available to their customers.
6. FIRREA gives both Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae additional responsibility to support mortgages for low- and moderate-income families.
This is not going to end well. At this point, we are beyond the S&L disaster. 10% UE cannot sustain RE purchases.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/business/16builder.html?src=me&ref=general
Building Is Booming in a City of Empty Houses
Some of the demand is coming from families that are getting shut out of the bidding for foreclosures by syndicates that pay in cash, and some is from investors who are back on the prowl.
Land and labor costs have fallen significantly, so the newest homes are competitively priced. Some of the boom-era homes, meanwhile, are in developments that feel like ghost towns. And many Americans will always believe the latest model of something is their only option, an attitude builders are doing their utmost to reinforce.
If wire transfers from the USA are Mexico’s 2nd largest source of income behind oil revenues, why aren’t we taxing them more heavily?
They are taking money away from our economy and sending it directly to their home!
If only that money stayed in the US, I bet we could solve a few financial shortfalls…
I think Georgia or Alabama attempted to institute fees on wire transfers out of the country, but the open borders activists threw a hissy fit. I’ve had just about enough of this crap, too.
Something really stinks about this situation. I think it goes far beyond cheap labor issues. Seems to me like TPTB are trying to create a de-facto NAU. And my tin-foil hat opinion is that it is coming from England via Canada. Many think England is the US’s b*tch, but IMHO it is the other way around. Which is why I’m in total glee over the decline of the EU.
We crossed the pond to get away from Europe. Charming place to visit, I’m sure. That’s about it. Who need their political and economic constructs?
Its my understanding that remittances are now greater than oil exports.
At what point does money belong to the person who earned it?
A person who has money should be allowed the freedom to do whatever he wants with it. That’s what money is for.
A selfish and outmoded concept, serf. We the Establishment Elites are far better suited than you to decide the fairest way to redistribute your money, for the benefit of certain banks that are doing God’s work and the ever-growing entitlement classes that sustain our hold on power.
Now go out and generate more income for us.
The other side of that coin is, without those remittances we’d be seeing much heavier Mexican migration to the U.S.
Build, baby, build! The Great Wall of the US.
Agreed, but maybe a cheaper alternative is to stop all social welfare, stop taxpayer funded education, stop taxpayer-funded health care. Go the austerity route by cutting all entitlements to zero.
I have no qualms for illegals who pay their own way. However I think we need to return to cowboy justice. Thieves used to get hanged in the old west, didn’t they?
Another solution is to make English-Only ballots and English-only anything that the government prints.
We had no problem with illegals in the 1960s. It was all English Only. And no wussy welfare.
a cheaper alternative is to stop all social welfare, stop taxpayer funded education, stop taxpayer-funded health care. Go the austerity route by cutting all entitlements to zero.
obviously
or even reduce social welfare etc
Walls are expensive. A mine field in depth along the border would be much cheaper and more effective.
My landmine proposal is catching on! A few miles of landmines and illegal problems will end quickly.
Personally if your crazy enough to bridge the minefield you can stay!
Not sure I want to be walled in with so many idiots.
An individual’s money is his/hers after taxes have been paid on the income, and they can choose to do what they wish with it. Sending it to Mexico is not particularly different from hiding it in their mattress. It’s best the government stays out of this.
However, the government is well within their authority to tax the service of money transfer, in which case other shadier alternatives might emerge. Those alternatives may be more painful to regulate, since many will be run by criminal enterprises. Which would you prefer?
If you’re going to tax Mexicans say 10% of their remittances, would you be willing to tax anglos vacationing in Europe 10% for whatever they spent outside the country? It’s functionally the same thing. Soon you’ll be going down the slippery slope of protectionism and currency controls.
I disagree with the notion that handing Megabank, Inc a guaranteed spread between the rate at which they lend and the rate at which they borrow from the Fed properly falls under the heading of ‘monetary policy’:
‘The term “monetary policy” refers to the actions undertaken by a central bank, such as the Federal Reserve, to influence the availability and cost of money and credit to help promote national economic goals. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 gave the Federal Reserve responsibility for setting monetary policy.
The Federal Reserve controls the three tools of monetary policy–open market operations, the discount rate, and reserve requirements. The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System is responsible for the discount rate and reserve requirements, and the Federal Open Market Committee is responsible for open market operations. Using the three tools, the Federal Reserve influences the demand for, and supply of, balances that depository institutions hold at Federal Reserve Banks and in this way alters the federal funds rate. The federal funds rate is the interest rate at which depository institutions lend balances at the Federal Reserve to other depository institutions overnight.’
I see nothing in the above description of monetary policy (from the Federal Open Market Committee web page) regarding the Fed’s right to offer zero interest loans to a select group of Wall Street investment banks so they can lend it out to the rest of the world at ‘market rates’ which provide them with a guaranteed spread. Apt descriptions of this practice might include ‘discriminatory lending’ or ‘discriminatory wealth reallocation.’
Or how about the term ’systemic theft’? After all, the recipients of the Fed’s wealth reallocation scheme are private corporations, right?
* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION: THE WEEKEND INTERVIEW
* MAY 15, 2010
The Fed’s Monetary Dissident
‘I really don’t think we should be guaranteeing Wall Street a margin by guaranteeing them a zero or a near zero interest rate.’
By MARY ANASTASIA O’GRADY
Kansas City, Mo.
In the aftermath of the 2008 financial panic centered on Wall Street, it’s easy to forget that this part of America has its own bitter history of wild speculation that ended in disaster. But Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank President Thomas Hoenig remembers the 1970s all too well. It was a lesson that still shapes his thinking about the role of the Fed’s monetary policy in creating asset bubbles.
Mr. Hoenig is more than just one of the 12 regional bank presidents of the Federal Reserve. Right now he’s also a voting member of the Fed’s Open Market Committee, which sets U.S. monetary policy. In recent months he’s been the committee’s sole dissident on the Fed’s promise to keep interest rates “at exceptionally low levels” for “an extended period of time.” At April’s FOMC meeting, Mr. Hoenig objected to that language for the third meeting in a row, warning that those words are inviting a kind of trouble we’ve seen before.
“I’ve been in the Federal Reserve for many years, since 1973, and I started out in bank supervision here at the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City,” Mr. Hoenig tells me in an interview in his office. “During the ’70s, we went through a time where interest rates were low” and “through that period I saw banks and others invest [based on inflated] asset values—including farm land, including commercial real estate, including the movement in energy prices and on projections that in 1980 oil would go to $100 a barrel.”
That oil and real-estate boom ended badly, with a rash of bank failures and financial ruin that set this region back considerably. Though Mr. Hoenig acknowledges that he can’t predict bubbles, “when you have an extended period of time with very low interest rates . . . those are some of the necessary conditions that will enable very rapid credit expansion leading to bubbles, perhaps. At least the likelihood of bubbles is greater under those circumstances.”
William McChesney Martin Jr., the longest serving Fed chairman, once noted that it is the job of the U.S. central bank “to take away the punch bowl just as the party gets going.” That’s probably true. But it’s also true that the Open Market Committee is not likely to vote to shutter the bar unless some members have the foresight to think about what the hangover is going to feel like. That’s where Mr. Hoenig comes in.
If the ’70s were his baptism by fire, the past decade has brought him confirmation. “So then we come to 2001-2002,” he continues, “and we have language that says we will have low rates for a considerable period, whatever the language was, and we kept interest rates low and real interest rates negative. The decade of the ’70s and the decade of the 2000s were the periods in which we had, over 40% of the time, negative real interest rates. The consequence of that was bubbles, high leverage and financial crisis.”
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“…depository institutions…”
Don’t tell me Gollum and its Megabank buddies are depository institutions. They are gunslinging, too-big-to-fail investment banks, no?
When inflation eventually hits the U.S. economy, it will be a shock (”no one could have seen it coming”), not a gradual change. How should one guard against it, given that the PM market already has priced in future inflation? I’m thinking of investing in canned tuna futures.
Thoughts?
Economic Preview
May 16, 2010, 10:06 a.m. EDT
Price rollback in U.S. economy
Core inflation could see smallest yearly increase in 44 years
By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — U.S. consumer prices likely fell in April for the first time in a year, putting further pressure on the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low to stimulate more growth, economists said.
“We continue to see significant disinflationary pressures in the U.S. economy,” wrote David Resler, U.S. economist for Nomura Securities.
“Inflation is still not a serious worry for U.S. policymakers, who are more focused on shepherding a fragile economy onto a sustainable growth path,” said Meny Grauman, an economist for CIBC World Markets.
The consumer price index, which will be released by the Labor Department on Wednesday, is the most significant U.S. economic release of the coming week. Other numbers to watch include April housing starts on Tuesday, regional manufacturing surveys for May on Monday and Thursday, and the weekly jobless claims data on Thursday.
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Yup there is a lot of price disinflation. No sign of price inflation at all!
They say this while they still produce massive monetary inflation via the printing press. Gold is real.
I have yet to see any significant price deflation, but I’ve seen plenty of wage deflation.
What we have is stagflation.
Well yes, labor should be considered a good or service, and thus the wage deflation relative to real estate and energy prices should be seen as price deflation.
This will continue until China and India wages and standard of living achieve parity with the U.S. This does not mean we won’t see general price inflation soon.
We Americans can play their game. Invest in emerging markets. Instead of a BMW 5 series, buy a Hyundai Genesis for 30% less. That type of thing. Financially savvy people buy quality first, national second. Otherwise they are falling into what Harry Browne called the “Greater crusade” trap. No one is going to reward you for being noble. You will be left in the dust by taking the tougher road.
BMW 5 series
http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/vehicles/2010/5/default.aspx
Bill forget the BMW. Don’t worry about Hyundai Genesis either. You got to walk or take the subway or bus to work.
Definitely an $85k BMW is not the thing you park in the garage of a $250,000 house, even in Ahwatukee, which is Orange County-like.
I have yet to see any significant price deflation
Have you looked at real estate??
I looked at one today that is now 50% off original list, 40% of 2008 assessment, and 40% off what the neighbor payed in 2007. Sounds like deflation.
Real estate price declines are not deflation — just ask the Fed if you don’t want to take my word for it.
They’re constantly talking about no inflation. I’m paying over 3 dollars a gallon for gas, just got a 6% rent increase, and food seems more expensive. Also medical care seems to be becoming more expensive. Maybe there’s no inflation in non-essential goods - those with elastic demand curves. But for the necessities - food, shelter, gas, medical - those seem to be showing healthy increases. In my area at least (central Maryland).
But is there a term for skyrocketing prices in goods with inelastic demand curves and flat or slumping prices in goods with elastic demand curves? Is there such a phenomenon at all?
Eddies World gets smaller:
http://www.ajchomefinder.com/AJCHomefinder-sharing_/data-show-how-far-528030.html
So BP has a tube that can reach into the darkest places and suck away oil. Hmmm. Can we extend a similar tube into Capital Hill and suck away all the snake-oil peddlers there?
Here’s a pretty cool index, it measures diesel use by the trucking industry across America- good ‘real world’, hard to spin data:
http://www.ceridianindex.com/
Interesting graph. Seems to show the economy is actually getting better, just like the MSM has been saying.
Is there a possibility the international forces who believe in fundamental principles of justice, good and evil, right and wrong, law and order etc. might join together to establish a banking system version of the Nuremberg Trials? I personally don’t see how a rule of law could be established to contain international banking piracy unless something of this nature is done. Can anyone suggest a precedent?
UPDATE 1-
Greece to probe U.S. banks’ role in crisis-PM
Sun May 16, 2010 9:53am EDT
(Adds further Papandreou comment)
By Angeliki Koutantou
ATHENS, May 16 (Reuters) - Greece may investigate U.S. investment banks and their role in the run-up to the Greek debt crisis which has shaken faith in euro zone economies, Prime Minister George Papandreou said in comments broadcast on Sunday.
Wall Street and major banks around the world are attracting scrutiny from regulators who are looking at transactions that occurred in the run-up to the subprime mortgage meltdown and financial crisis.
U.S. prosecutors are already conducting a broad criminal investigation of six major Wall Street banks to determine if they misled investors.
“We are right now having a parliamentary investigation in Greece which will look into the past and see how things went the wrong direction and what kinds of practices were negative practices,” Papandreou told CNN.
“There are similar investigations going on in other countries and in the United States … I hear the words fraud and lack of transparency. So yes, there is great responsibility here,” he said. Asked whether there was a possibility of legal action against the banks, he said: “I wouldn’t rule out that this may be a recourse also … but we need to let the due process proceed and make our judgments once we get the results from the investigations.”
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Related News
* Greece says to probe U.S. banks role in debt crisis-PM
6:55am EDT
* UPDATE 1-Greek ruling party support falls slightly–poll
4:42am EDT
* Greece says will clean up corruption in politics
Sat, May 15 2010
* UPDATE 2-Greece says will clean up corruption in politics
Sat, May 15 2010
* TREASURIES-Edge up in Asia as stocks fall
Thu, May 13 2010
* Greek PM says U.S. banks may face legal action
Sorry for the repost; the Schadenfreude rush of reading and rereading the story of the criminal probe of Wall Street Megabanks is just too strong to suppress.
Criminal probe targets 6 Wall Street firms: source
James Vicini and Steve Eder
WASHINGTON/NEW YORK
Thu May 13, 2010 8:36pm EDT
WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) - Prosecutors are conducting a broad criminal investigation of six major Wall Street banks, including JPMorgan Chase & Co and Citigroup Inc, to determine if they misled investors, a person familiar with the matter said on Thursday.
Deals
The others are Deutsche Bank AG, UBS AG, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs Group Inc, the source said.
The investigation, being conducted with the Securities and Exchange Commission, comes as Wall Street and major banks around the world are attracting scrutiny from regulators who are looking at transactions that occurred in the run-up to the subprime mortgage meltdown and financial crisis.
The source said the investigation includes mortgage-bond deals, that it is in an early stage, and that it might not necessarily lead to criminal charges against all of the firms. The person spoke anonymously because the probe is ongoing.
Separately, New York authorities opened an investigation into whether eight banks, including Citigroup, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, misled rating agencies with regard to mortgage-derivative deals, a separate source familiar with the matter said on Thursday.
New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo’s office served subpoenas on Wednesday to four U.S. banks and four European lenders, the source said. Cuomo is also targeting Credit Agricole SA, Credit Suisse Groupe AG, Deutsche Bank, UBS and Merrill Lynch, now owned by Bank of America Corp, the second source said.
The companies that rated the mortgage deals were McGraw-Hill Cos Inc’s Standard & Poor’s, Fitch Ratings, majority-owned by Fimalac, and Moody’s Investors Service, a unit of Moody’s Corp.
The federal and state probes also come less than a month after the SEC charged Goldman Sachs with civil fraud in connection with its marketing of a subprime mortgage product.
A federal criminal investigation of Goldman was first disclosed on April 30, but it had not been previously known that other major Wall Street companies were under scrutiny as well.
JPMorgan has not been contacted by the Department of Justice or any U.S. attorney’s office on these matters and is unaware of any criminal investigation, a spokeswoman said. A spokesman for JPMorgan declined to comment on the SEC investigation.
With regard to the Cuomo investigation, Citigroup spokesman Alex Samuelson said: “We are cooperating with the AG’s office.”
On the criminal probe, Samuelson declined to comment and referred to the company’s most recent quarterly filing with regulators, which says the bank is cooperating with subpoenas and requests for information from the SEC and other government agencies regarding subprime and other matters.
Credit Suisse spokeswoman Victoria Harmon said: “It is our practice to cooperate fully with regulatory authorities.”
Morgan Stanley Chief Executive James Gorman said he had no knowledge of any such investigation, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday.
A Credit Agricole official said it had received the Cuomo subpoena and was cooperating, but wouldn’t comment on the ongoing matter. Spokesmen for UBS and Deutsche Bank declined to comment.
The other banks did not immediately return messages seeking comment. The Justice Department and the SEC declined comment.
Interesting Zestimate comparison between three homes currently for sale on the same cul-de-sac in our ‘hood.
First a couple of observations:
1) It looks like sellers in our hood still expect to receive bubble-era prices, even though the bubble popped four years ago.
2) The Zestimate range estimates are wide enough to drive a truck through them, suggesting that either the estimates are crap, the market is in a state of severe disequilibrium, or both.
1) 11320 Meadow Flower Pl
San Diego, CA 92127
Property type: Condo (actually an SFR subject to an HOA)
Bedrooms: 4
Bathrooms: 3
Sqft: 1,830
Lot size: 5,227 sq ft / 0.12 acres
Year built: 1985
For Sale: $549,000
Price History
Date Description Price % Chg Source
04/29/2010 Listed for sale* $549,000 74.3% Windermere Exclusive Properties
05/30/2002 Sold $315,000 82.6% Public Record
02/20/1996 Sold $172,500 – Public Record
Zestimate® Range 30-day-change last updated
$491,000 $432K – $530K -$7,000 05/15/2010
2) 11329 Meadow Flower Pl
San Diego, CA 92127
Property type: Single Family
Bedrooms: 2
Bathrooms: 2
Sqft: 1,132
Lot size: 6,185 sq ft / 0.14 acres
Year built: 1985
(This one has a For Sale sign out front, but maybe they took it off the market, as Zilldo shows no list price info?)
Price History
Date 03/20/1997 Sold $149,500 – Public Record
Zestimate® Range 30-day-change last updated
$377,500 $336K – $411K +$4,000 05/15/2010
3) 11352 Meadow Flower Pl
San Diego, CA 92127
Property type: Single Family
Bedrooms: 4
Bathrooms: 2.5
Sqft: 1,835
Lot size: 5,924 sq ft / 0.14 acres
Year built: 1985
Price History
Date Description Price % Chg Source
04/28/2010 Listing removed* – – –
04/02/2010 Listed for sale* $499,500 4.9% Realty Exe
03/04/2004 Sold $476,000 8.4% Public Record
12/19/2003 Sold $439,000 110% Public Record
06/23/1999 Sold $209,000 945% Public Record
Zestimate® Range 30-day-change last updated
$503,000 $448K – $543K +$3,000 05/15/2010
Owner’s estimate $599,119
More welfare money for mortgage owners:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/12/news/economy/taxpayer_mortgages/index.htm
As a taxpayer who did the responsible thing I’m beyond disgusted with this. My family will end up paying through the nose because American voters refuse to pay the consequences for participating in a wildly unsustainable system.
Amazing how the world turns upside down every generation. Prediction: Just as we had to relearn capitalism from communist China in the 1990s, we will have to learn how to wean ourselves from the welfare state from European countries by around 2025.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/98075-thousands-of-bees-swarm-white-house?page=2
Bees are swarming the White House. Not FBs, the actual honeybee kind.
That’s a Biblical omen if ever there was one.
Question by Water Over Gold: On a scale of 1 to 10: How corrupt is Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner?? Follow-up: Should he be fired?
1 – Not corrupt
10 – HE’S A TAX CHEAT WHO OVERSEES THE IRS……..WHAT DID YOU EXPECT??..VERY CORRUPT.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/fed/2010-01-07-geithner-fed-aig_N.htm?csp=34
WASHINGTON — Controversial deals that sent billions of bailout dollars to Goldman Sachs and other banks were kept quiet under pressure from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, then led by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.
E-mails between lawyers for the New York Fed and bailed-out insurance conglomerate American International Group show AIG wanted to disclose some details about payments it made to banks, including Goldman and Deutsche Bank, to cancel financial deals.
But lawyers for the New York Fed, which engineered AIG’s bailout with the Bush administration’s Treasury Department, told AIG to remove the information from a draft.
A watchdog report has said Geithner and the New York Fed mismanaged the AIG rescue, potentially handing billions more than necessary to banks that have since recovered and are again paying record bonuses.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/roy-sekoff-on-aig-fed-ema_b_415528.html
HuffPost Editor Roy Sekoff appeared on The Ed Show Thursday to weigh in on news that Tim Geithner and the New York Fed actively worked to keep details of bailed out insurer AIG’s payments to Wll Street banks hidden from the public–even though it was taxpayer money that was being used.
Sekoff contends that this is just more evidence that the government has become “Of the bankers, for the bankers, and by the bankers.”
“The fix is in,” he said.
Best answer:
Answer by Brandon W
10——-Fire his butt
And now, for a more pessimistic look at recent policital developments:
Op-Ed Columnist
The Great Consolidation
By Ross Doutha
Published: May 16, 2010
This feels like a populist moment. Americans are Tea Partying. Greeks are rioting. Incumbents are being thrown out; the Federal Reserve is facing an audit; Goldman Sachs is facing prosecution. In Kentucky, Ron Paul’s son might be about to win a Republican Senate primary.
But look through these anti-establishment theatrics to the deep structures of political and economic power, and suddenly the surge of populism feels like so much sound and fury, obscuring the real story of our time. From Washington to Athens, the economic crisis is producing consolidation rather than revolution, the entrenchment of authority rather than its diffusion, and the concentration of power in the hands of the same elite that presided over the disasters in the first place.
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Since the U.S. and Asian markets are decoupled, I take this news of a steep selloff on the Hong Kong stock exchange as a sign the U.S. stock market has a great week in store. Start your engines, bovines: Vroom, vroom!
market pulse
May 16, 2010, 10:25 p.m. EDT
Hong Kong shares sell off across the board
By V. Phani Kumar
HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Hong Kong shares traded sharply lower early Monday as mounting fears about the euro zone and a big drop Friday on Wall Street hit stocks across almost all sectors, with exporters such as Foxconn International Holdings Ltd. fronting the drop. The Hang Seng Index fell 2.1% to 19,732.12, falling back below the psychologically important 20,000 level, and the Hang Seng China Enterprises Index lost 2.9% to 11,254.22. Foxconn (HK:2038 6.22, -0.44, -6.60%) (FXCNY 16.75, -1.29, -7.15%) and Esprit Holdings Ltd. (HK:330 45.45, -3.45, -7.06%) (ESHDF 5.70, -2.45, -30.06%) tumbled 6.8% each, banking major HSBC Holdings PLC (HK:5 72.45, -2.15, -2.88%) (HBC 47.35, -1.21, -2.49%) shed 2.7% and Aluminum Corp. of China Ltd. (HK:2600 6.67, -0.30, -4.30%) (ACH 22.03, -0.40, -1.78%) . Cnooc Ltd. (HK:883 12.44, -0.46, -3.57%) (CEO 162.83, -3.32, -2.00%) skidded 3.6%, as crude-oil prices approached the $70-a-barrel level. China’s Shanghai Composite lost 1.7% to 2,650.71.
The Global Dow is dropping like a rock. Hurry up, PPT — time to rescue the world from falling share prices!
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/GDOW
Monday Asian stocks as of 8:00 Pacific Time down between 1 and 2%. Gold up nearly 1% to $1241 spot. And cash (short term treasuries) is still king.
Ten other states are considering laws similar to Arizona’s anti illegal alien laws: Colorado, Utah, Idaho, Oklahoma, Minnesota, Maryland, Texas, Michigan, and two others I forgot.
Then there is this event in Louisiana that is stirring things up:
http://tinyurl.com/353meyo
“THIBODAUX — Four immigrant workers were charged Sunday with raping and killing a south Lafourche woman whose body had been found in Golden Meadow a day earlier. “
I’m wondering how Goldman Sachs and friends might be involved in this story about Thai Armed Forces firing on protestors; any leads?
Raw Video: Thai Military Fires at Red Shirts
May 16, 2010
Thailand’s Armed Forces increased pressure on antigovernment, Red Shirt Protesters in downtown Bangkok. The military has come under criticism for using live fire. The following raw video contains graphic images. Viewer discretion is advised.
Gollum is EVERYWHERE!
Third World Network Briefing Paper for CSD7, No.2, 1999
FOREIGN TAKEOVER OF THAILAND’S TOURISM INDUSTRY - The other face of liberalization
By Anita Pleumarom
In February 1999, the Thailand Tourism Society (TTS), which represents tourism and related businesses, threatened to launch a campaign to seek support from its members to delay a progressive liberalization programme for the hotel, restaurant and travel agency sectors. Under the foreign business amendment bill, which is presently discussed in parliament, the tourism industry is to be opened up to foreign operators on a wide scale.
TTS president Wichit Na Ranong suggested that the liberalization plan be delayed to avoid negative impact on Thai ownership and business competitiveness. According to the foreign business bill, foreign investors will be allowed to acquire a 100-per-cent stake in hotel, restaurant and tour businesses instead of a maximum 49 per cent. Wichit said small and medium-sized operators would suffer if they were not prepared to compete.
Chanin Donavanik, president of the Thai Hotel Association (THA), said there had been a mixed response from THA members on full liberalization. Some hotels, which shoulder a huge debt burden, are keen to seek foreign capital while hotels with no financial problems disagree to the opening up to foreign transnational corporations (TNCs). But Chanin admitted that the adverse effect of the planned liberalization was that local hotel-property owners risked losing their businesses to foreign investors. According to the THA vice-president, Charnchai Satyaprasert, only about two per cent of hotels in the country would benefit from liberalization as they could repay debts by selling out their assets to foreigners. And the foreigners, who buy into Thai hotels cheaply, would have an advantage over Thai operators.
The Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT), which has very much favoured tourism liberalization, privatization and globalization, acknowledged in a recently published report that the outcome of hotel liberalization will be “mergers and acquisitions”.
“Since the oversupply is the major problem of the Thai hotel industry at present, liberalization will not bring in investment in new hotel construction but in the form of takeovers and acquisitions. The number of property exchanges is expected to be high during the first three to five years of the liberalization,” stated the TAT report. It further said that Thai hoteliers, who have no financial problems are expected to “adjust” their business strategies, for example by entering a larger hotel chain network.
Sensing the strong drive against liberalization in the local tourism industry, Piraphan Saliratapak, vice-chairman of the parliamentary commission appointed to consider the foreign investment law, indicated the government might consider not fully liberalizing the tourism sector if Thai hoteliers come up with substantial documents to support their opposition to the reforms. As a first step, the concerned commission added a paragraph in the draft law that categorizes tourism as one of the industries, which “are not well-prepared for outside competition”.
Takeover battles for control of Thailand’s tourism assets are already looming. American Goldman Sachs, for example, an influential Wall Street financial institution, already bought a 30 per cent share in the Dusit Thani Hotel Group and has in recent weeks made an aggressive move to takeover the five-star Regent Hotel in Bangkok, which belongs to the Rajdamri Hotel Group. It also controls Starwood Hotels and Resorts, and is the owner and operator of the Westin and Sheraton Group of hotels, Westmont Hospitality, a leading owner and operator of hotels in Canada and Europe, and Strategic Hotel Capital, a major investor in the US hotel industry.
While Goldman Sachs is primarily interested in Thailand’s five-star hotels, Merrill Lynch, another Wall Street giant, appears set to takeover the country’s aviation industry. According to recent press reports, the company has been selected as the financial adviser for the privatization of Thailand’s airports. Although insider sources said its experience was questioned to properly perform the task in the airports privatization process, the concerned committee set up by the Transport and Communications Ministry insisted that Merryll Lynch had obtained the highest score in the ranking. One official said the bid-winner would reap tremendous benefit from selling the stakes of the two airport agencies, the Airport Authority of Thailand (AAT) and the New Bangkok International Airport (NBIA). Earlier Merryll Lynch had already signed a memorandum of understanding with Thai Airways International to be the financial adviser for the privatization of the national carrier.
Notably, both Goldman Sachs and Merryl Lynch are major hedge fund managers that have caused the financial collapse in several countries with their capital speculations. Ironically, they are also prominent players in assisting the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to push through structural adjustment programmes (SAPs), which involve forcing developing economies to liberalize and to make the tourism industry a top priority. In Thailand, Goldman Sachs has also been actively participating in the auction of the assets of the 56 finance companies, which were closed down in the context of IMF’s bail-out package for the country.
Financial sources have indicated that hedge funds, apart from remaining active in the capital market, are now expanding their speculative investment wings into Thai enterprises, which are currently undergoing debt restructuring and internal engineering, in the prospect of good returns in the next few years. In view of the proclaimed successes of the ‘Amazing Thailand’ campaign, hotel, tourism and travel businesses are particularly attractive to them, they say. With respect to Goldman Sachs’ attempted takeover of the Bangkok Regent hotel, one of the sources said: “I think they have a good game plan for the hotel, which will be shaken up and get a new dress before being sold out five years from now.”
However, there is not only increasing nervousness within Thai tourism industry circles regarding the government’s liberalization programme. Resistance against globalization and the related national sell-off is on the rise in general. Under the headline “Anti-colonization mood can’t be ignored”, Imtiaz Muqbil wrote in his Bangkok Post ‘Travel Monitor’ column:
“With the fire-sale of regional hotels, airlines and tour operators about to start under the onslaught of globalization, a warning light has been sounded on the long-term implications of such move.” Referring to a recent international conference on globalization in Bangkok organized by the NGO Focus on the Global South, he said the “message was that every hotel or other such asset that is sold, especially when non-Thais take a controlling interest, will contribute bit by bit to the death of economic and political sovereignty in Asia.” He further stated: “As the side-effects of IMF chemo-therapy become more acute, there is a greater realization that globalization is not a panacea.”
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Truly, Goldman Sachs is a vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity.
Must see tee vee: “The Bob Next Door” Simpsons episode.
- Features Bart getting kidnapped by Bob, the evil real estate flipper who recently was released from prison.
- The Simpsons family neighborhood is riddled with homes going into foreclosure.
- The Simpsons are planning a move to Detroit, to start a new life where housing is cheaper.
Too cool! Certainly must see!
The Financial Times
Central bankers get with the politics
By Clive Crook
Published: May 16 2010 19:37 | Last updated: May 16 2010 19:37
The financial unravelling of the past three years has cast doubt on some certainties of orthodox economics. Central-bank independence is one. Before 2008, the idea that central banks should be shielded from politics, given an anti-inflation mandate, then left to run monetary policy as they saw fit was little doubted – by economists, anyway. In 2010 this looks neither desirable nor even possible. Governments and central banks would rather avoid a proper discussion of this sensitive subject. But in the light of all that has happened, whether central banks should be above politics is a question that needs a fundamental rethink.
In this respect, the issue is an exception, because most of what you read about the “crisis of economics” is nonsense. Of course, financial regulation needs tightening – but no paradigms need to shift for that. Pro-market orthodoxy will be pressed more cautiously and apologetically for a while, but even its most hyperventilating critics want to tweak not bury it.
Central-bank independence, however, really was an article of faith. The Federal Reserve, heading off demands for stricter audit, and the European Central Bank, under pressure to help the wretched of the eurozone, insist it still is. But they protest too much. Both have proved willing to conduct massive fiscal operations at the behest of treasury ministers. This is not what central-bank independence used to mean. As once understood, the idea is defunct.
Was it flawed all along? The standard argument had two parts. First, in the long term, you cannot raise employment by boosting inflation. Therefore, since low inflation is a good thing, you might as well have it. Second, there is, however, a short-term trade-off: for a while, high inflation can raise employment. Politicians, concentrating on the next election, are likely to exploit this. The long-term outcome will be high inflation with no employment gain. Getting the right result requires governments to insulate control of inflation from politics. The underlying logic was always questionable. Why grant monetary policy this special status? You could make a parallel argument for fiscal policy . The case for a balanced-budget amendment to the US constitution runs along these lines; likewise the case for Europe’s stability and growth pact, for what that was worth. European Union supervision of national budget deficits, recently mooted, aims to counter domestic politics. But the problem is obvious. The net fiscal balance cannot be separated from line-by-line detail of taxes and spending – decisions as political as they come.
Monetary policy was thought separable partly because it seemed simpler: all you have to do is control interest rates. But in a crisis monetary policy gets complicated. Quantitative easing erases the line between monetary and fiscal policy altogether. When central banks support troubled borrowers, public or private, they expose themselves to default risk: again, fiscal policy by another name. Such interventions involve choices about who will be protected and who will pay. Those are, or should be, political choices.
Most fundamentally, why deny politicians access to the short-term trade-off between inflation and output in the first place? Because they will make a mess of it? Let me count the ways in which politicians might make a mess of things. Why not hand every area of policy over to an unelected group of experts who can be trusted to take the long view, confining politicians, if they are needed at all, to an oversight role?
Democracies cannot embrace central-bank independence unreservedly – least of all now. What remains of the case must be based on a contingent weighing of costs and benefits, rather than sharp, principled and ultimately indefensible distinctions.
Monetary policy in ordinary times is more separable from politics than fiscal policy and there are gains from maintaining some distance. One can say that much. But the balance of advantage depends on circumstances, and the particular country. In emergencies, independence has to give way – and it will, because central banks must bend to political demands at such times, at their own initiative or otherwise.
Economists who worry about infringing the independence of the Fed and ECB are right to. When central banks put themselves at the disposal of finance ministries, the results can be calamitous. But in emergencies they cannot stand aside – as the ECB has tried to. The reason is something that simple models of central-bank independence tended to ignore: fiscal incapacity elsewhere in government.
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If Meredith Whitney is correct on the future of small business credit, the housing crash is bound to worsen before bottoming out.
* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION
* MAY 17, 2010
The Small Business Credit Crunch
The financial reforms currently contemplated will further restrict capital. Expect unemployment to stay high.
By MEREDITH WHITNEY
The next several weeks will be critically important for politicians, regulators and the larger U.S. economy. First, over the next week Capitol Hill will decide on potentially game-changing regulatory reform that could result in the unintended consequences of restricting credit and further damaging small businesses.
Second, states will approach their June fiscal year-ends and, as a result of staggering budget gaps, soon announce austerity measures that by my estimates will cost between one million to two million jobs for state and local government workers over the next 12 months.
Typically, government hiring provides a nice tailwind at this point in an economic recovery. Governments have employed this tool through most downturns since 1955, so much so that state and local government jobs have ballooned to 15% of total U.S. employment.
However, over the next 12 months, disappearing state and local government jobs will prove to be a meaningful headwind to an already fragile economic recovery. This is simply how the math shakes out. Collectively, over 40 states face hundreds of billions of dollars in budget gaps over the next two years, and 49 states are constitutionally required to balance their accounts annually. States will raise taxes, but higher taxes alone will not be enough to make up for the vast shortfall in state budgets. Accordingly, 42 states and the District of Columbia have already articulated plans to cut government jobs.
So the burden on the private sector to create jobs becomes that much more crucial. Just to maintain a steady level of unemployment, the private sector will have to create one million to two million jobs to offset government job losses.
Herein lies the challenge: Small businesses, half of the private sector (and the most important part as far as jobs are concerned), have been heavily impacted by this credit crisis. Small businesses created 64% of new jobs over the past 15 years, but they have cut five million jobs since the onset of this credit crisis. Large businesses, by comparison, have shed three million jobs in the past two years.
Small businesses continue to struggle to gain access to credit and cannot hire in this environment. Thus, the full weight of job creation falls upon large businesses. It would take large businesses rehiring 100% of the three million workers laid off over the past two years to make a substantial change in jobless numbers. Given the productivity gains enjoyed recently, it is improbable that anything near this will occur.
Unless real focus is afforded to re-engaging small businesses in this country, we will have a tragic and dangerous unemployment level for an extended period of time. Small businesses fund themselves exactly the way consumers do, with credit cards and home equity lines. Over the past two years, more than $1.5 trillion in credit-card lines have been cut, and those cuts are increasing by the day. Due to dramatic declines in home values, home-equity lines as a funding option are effectively off the table. Proposed regulatory reform—specifically interest-rate caps and interchange fees—will merely exacerbate the cycle of credit contraction plaguing small businesses.
If banks are not allowed to effectively price for risk, they will not take the risk. Right now we need banks, and particularly community banks, more than ever to step in and provide liquidity to small businesses. Interest-rate caps and interchange fees will more likely drive consumer credit out of the market and many community banks out of business.
Clearly, the issue of recharging the securitization market as an alternative source of liquidity is one that needs to be addressed over time, but politicians should not force rash regulatory reforms when significant portions of our economy remain fragile. The very actions designed to “protect” the consumer, such as rate caps and interchange fees, will undoubtedly take more credit away from the consumer.
It is important now to support any and all lending activities that would enable small businesses to begin hiring again. If the regulatory reform passes with rate-cap and interchange regulation amendments incorporated, small businesses will be hurt rather than helped. Politicians and regulators need to appreciate the core structural challenges facing unemployment in the U.S.
Elected officials know better than most that an employed voter is better than an unemployed voter. They should improve their odds of re-election and do the right thing on regulatory reform.
Ms. Whitney is CEO of Meredith Whitney Advisory Group LLC.
Wake up, America
By Robert J. Samuelson
Monday, May 17, 2010
You might think that Europe’s economic turmoil would inject a note of urgency into America’s budget debate. After all, high government deficits and debt are the roots of Europe’s problems, and these same problems afflict the United States. But no. Most Americans, starting with the nation’s political leaders, dismiss what’s happening in Europe as a continental drama with little relevance to them.
What Americans resolutely avoid is a realistic debate about the desirable role of government. How big should it be? Should it favor the old or the young? Will social spending crowd out defense spending? Will larger government dampen economic growth through higher deficits or taxes? No one engages this debate, because if rigorously conducted, it would disappoint both liberals and conservatives.
Confronted with huge spending increases — reflecting an aging population and soaring health costs — liberals would have to concede that benefits and spending ought to be reduced. Seeing that total government spending would rise even after these cuts (more people would receive benefits, even if benefit levels fell), conservatives would have to concede the need for higher taxes. On both left and right, true believers would howl.
The lack of seriousness is defined by three missing words: “balance the budget.” These words are taboo. In February, President Obama created a National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform (call it the Deficit Commission). Its charge is to propose measures that would reduce the deficit to the level of “interest payments on the debt” by 2015 so as “to stabilize the debt-to-GDP ratio at an acceptable level.”
Understand? No? Well, you’re not supposed to. All the mumbo jumbo about stabilizing “debt to GDP” and according special treatment to interest payments are examples of budget-speak. It’s the language of “experts,” employed to deaden debate and convince people that “something is being done” when little, or nothing, is being done. For example, Obama’s target for 2015 would involve a deficit of about $500 billion, despite an assumed full economic recovery (unemployment: 5.1 percent). The commission is also supposed to “propose recommendations that meaningfully improve the long-run fiscal outlook, including changes to address the growth of entitlement spending,” a mushy mandate. But balance the budget? There’s no mention.
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Maybe Papanderou and Cuomo could team up in their Wall Street probe.
Papandreou: Probe banks
May 16, 2010 11:12 PM | By Reuters
Greece might launch investigations of US investment banks and their role before the Greek debt crisis, which has shaken faith in eurozone economies, Prime Minister George Papandreou said yesterday.
Papandreou told a parliamentary investigation to “see how things went the wrong direction and what kinds of practices were negative”.
“There are similar investigations going on in other countries and in the US,” he said. “I hear the words fraud and lack of transparency.”
He would not rule out legal action against banks.
The EU and IMF agreed to a à110-billion bail-out of Greece recently after Greek bond spreads hit record highs and a default loomed.
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Found on another comment thread:
“I negotiate short sales for a living and I am just flabbergasted that the big banks have outsourced imaging and negotiation to India. i read that Indian prisoners are now handling much of the work outsourced by the too big to fail banks. GD Banksters!”
Can anyone confirm any knowledge of this?