May 18, 2010

Bits Bucket For May 18, 2010

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-18 04:23:28

This is a rewrite from last week

THE COVER OF THE ROLLING STONE
Dr Hook & the Medicine Show

Well, we’re big house debtors
We got cashmere sweaters
And we’re loved everywhere we go…..
We love to refi our mortgage
At fifty-thousand dollars a blow….
And we take vacations
But we got no patience
For the bills that we all have grown
But a thrill it’ll gitcha when you get your picture
On the copy of delinquent loans

(delinquent loans…..) Gonna see my picture on the cover
(loans…..)Gonna send five copies to my mother…..
(loans…..)Gonna see my smilin face
On the copy of delinquent loans…. (that’s a very very good idea)

Well we got illegals that`ll walk our beagles
Clean the house and mow the lawn
A credit line, and just in time
Cause the bank said we`re overdrawn
Now it’s all designed to blow our minds
But our minds won’t really be blown
Like the blow that’ll gitcha when you get your picture
On the copy of delinquent loans

(delinquent loans…..) Gonna see my picture on the cover
(loans…..)Gonna send five copies to my mother…..
(loans…..)Gonna see my smilin face
On the copy of delinquent loans….

Well we got our plan, from Suzanne
And here`s what she had to say say
Get a genuine mortgage broker
And he`ll teach you all a better way
We got all the friends that money can buy
So we never have to be alone
And we keep spending money
But it ain`t that funny
When you get your first delinquent loan

(delinquent loans…..)Gonna see my picture on the cover
(loans…..) Gonna send five copies to my mother….. (wa wa)
(loans…..) Gonna see my smilin face
On the cover of the delinquent loans
On the cover of delinquent …….
loans…..) Gonna see my picture on the cover
(talking) I don’t know why we ain’t on the cover yet, Baby….
(loans…..) Gonna send five copies to my mother
(talking) We need help for homeowners….
(loans…..) Gonna see my smilin face
(talking) I ain’t kiddin, we`re 500k upside down….
On the cover of delinquent loans……
(talking) But realestate always goes up, Man…..
What`s a short sale? We’ll be up in the front….
Smilin, Man……
Ahh, beautiful…….

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-18 07:20:07

That was one of the funniest I’ve seen - thanks! :)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-18 04:38:08

“Hopes” That must equate to success for a gubmint agency.TTT should be proud of himself.

“The government ‘hopes’ to get another $500 million”

Treasury takes $1.6 billion loss on Chrysler loan.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Treasury Department said Monday it will lose $1.6 billion on a loan made to Chrysler in early 2009. Taxpayer losses from bailing out Chrysler and General Motors are expected to rise as high as $34 billion, congressional auditors have said.

Treasury said Monday that Chrysler repaid $1.9 billion of a $4 billion loan, which was extended before the company filed for Chapter 11. The government hopes to get another $500 million from the company that emerged from bankruptcy, Chrysler Group LLC.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-18 06:02:14

TTT “hopes” to get another $500 million, but admits: “they would have to sell a $hit-load of those crappy cars to make that happen”.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-18 22:53:01

Do cars qualify as “shitty assets” in TTT’s world?

 
 
Comment by Steamed Bean
2010-05-18 06:21:40

Nothing like taxpayer funds going to bail out private equity firms, Cerberus bought Chrysler from Daimler in a LBO deal, and foreign corporations, Fiat bought chrysler from Cerberus using these said loans.

Comment by 2banana
2010-05-18 08:07:46

This is a bail out of the UAW. Payback for support for the last election

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-18 09:28:17

I thought the Healthcare-bill was the only thing for the UAW?

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-18 06:55:31

It doesn’t bode well for a country to behave this way with its money when there’s so much global competition to consider. Think of the infrastructure and R&D that (potentially) $34B could buy.

How long can a nation’s leaders drive while using the rearview mirror?

Comment by Steamed Bean
2010-05-18 08:08:05

Exactly, much more risk of a misallocation of scarce resources when the gubmint allocates capital versus the markets. Gubmint trying to save well-connected (ie Union) jobs. Our prosperity as a nation declines when companies spend more energy seeking “rents” from the government versus becoming more efficient and competitive.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-05-18 09:33:24

Imagine how many small and innovative (and non union) car companies could have been springboarded with 34 billion in grants.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-05-18 11:25:40

There is already world wide excess capacity to make cars. Anyway, I doubt that any US startup would stand a chance against the Chinese.

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Comment by eudemon
2010-05-18 16:24:59

$34B is a lot of Shovel-Ready jobs, no?

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-05-18 18:09:33

Shovel ready….I cant believe how bad the potholes and lack of maintenance there is here in nyc…..its the worst i have ever seen

so where is the $$$$ going

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Comment by eudemon
2010-05-18 16:21:44

I thought that the bailouts were a SUCCESS! At least that’s what I’ve heard on t.v., er…ObamaLand.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-18 17:31:16

The bailouts WERE a success!

For the bankers.

Comment by eudemon
2010-05-18 19:39:54

That’s why bailouts are a bad idea…in either the corporate or public sector. Bailing out banks is ill-advised. As is bailing out unions (witness the taxpayer-funded money pits at Chrysler and GM).

My next vehicle will be a Ford. No exceptions.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-18 20:15:58

Uh, you do know that Ford has unions, right?

 
Comment by eudemon
2010-05-18 20:55:10

Yes.

And?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-18 04:44:46

Conspiracy of Banks Rigging States Converged in Mortgage Crash

May 18 (Bloomberg) — A telephone call between a financial adviser in Beverly Hills and a trader in New York was all it took to fleece taxpayers on a water-and-sewer financing deal in West Virginia. The secret conversation was part of a conspiracy stretching across the U.S. by Wall Street banks in the $2.8 trillion municipal bond market.

The call came less than two hours before bids were due for contracts to manage $90 million raised with the sale of West Virginia bonds. On one end of the line was Steven Goldberg, a trader with Financial Security Assurance Holdings Ltd. On the other was Zevi Wolmark, of advisory firm CDR Financial Products Inc. Goldberg arranged to pay a kickback to CDR to land the deal, according to government records filed in connection with a U.S. Justice Department indictment of CDR and Wolmark.

West Virginia was just one stop in a nationwide conspiracy in which financial advisers to municipalities colluded with Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., JPMorgan Chase & Co., Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Wachovia Corp. and 11 other banks.

They rigged bids on auctions for so-called guaranteed investment contracts, known as GICs, according to a Justice Department list that was filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan on March 24 and then put under seal. Those contracts hold tens of billions of taxpayer dollars.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-18 05:12:23

Nothing would surprise me regarding scams banks pull on society. Banks and the scumbags who run them have become the root of all evil. Greed is not Good.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-18 06:01:10

Rubes in places like Jefferson Country, Alabama, vote in corrupt politicians who then collude with their bankster pals to perpetrate massive swindles against their own municipalities. Memo to rubes: you voted these whores and swindlers into office and usually keep them there election after election. You didn’t resist such sleaze; therefore, you approved it. No sympathy for you!

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-05-18 08:57:58

Woody Allen has the solution: Let Obama be dictator, but just for a few years.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-18 10:01:52

Hahaha - I saw that! Wood-for-brains should spend some time in a dictator-ruled country, living among the locals, and then see how much he likes the idea. What a nitwit!

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-18 17:32:25

He’s a 70s has been.

 
Comment by Bill near tampa
2010-05-18 18:48:12

Don’t you guys get it. He’s just kidding.

Woody was (is ?) a lot funnier than, say, Jay leno.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-18 20:13:46

He stopped being sunny in the 80s.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-18 18:36:50

Yeah, guys that date their adopted stepdaughters are maybe a little deficient in the character and judgment department.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-18 04:44:48
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-18 06:56:52

Ancient tax evader secret.

Comment by Martin
2010-05-18 09:52:23

Beijing resident throws a shoe at a property developer in his protest against unrealistic housing prices in China. It won’t be too long before many Indian’s start doing this at property exhibitions. The Iraqi jouranlist who threw the first shoe on George Bush was followed by another journalist who threw a shoe at the finance minister P. Chidambaram in India. The Chinese protestor received applause from the crowd so the common pain point is felt by a lot of people in the audience

Link Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hF7w8fmQ6g&feature=player_embedded

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 12:21:13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uywIYQEHZLs

:-)

Life of Brian Script
Scene 18: The Holy Gourd of Jerusalem
The sketch:

holy music plays:

FOLLOWERS: …Look! Ah! Oh! Oh!

ARTHUR: He has given us a sign!

FOLLOWER: Oh!

SHOE FOLLOWER: He has given us… His shoe!

ARTHUR: The shoe is the sign. Let us follow His example.

SPIKE: What?

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Comment by yensoy
2010-05-18 19:04:40

I hate to say it but the property developer is just an opportunist / businessman looking to profit from a situation handed to him on a silver platter.

The anger should be directed at the actual powers that have given rise to this situation (oversupply of money, lack of alternate viable investment opportunities, lack of supply of housing, whichever may apply). Of course in certain geographies this option is not recommended, in which case I guess the property developer bears the brunt.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-05-18 04:51:06

More Homeowners Choose to Default ~ Yahoo Finance

“Strategic defaults” are on the rise as more borrowers who are underwater on their home loans decide it’s not worth it to stay current on their payments each month. That trend could have repercussions for the housing market, and for borrowers, in the future.

Strategic defaults are when borrowers who owe more on their homes than they’re currently worth choose to stop paying their mortgage but continue to meet other financial obligations, according to a definition by Morgan Stanley in a research report on the topic.

In other words, these homeowners neglect their monthly principal and interest payments, but still pay other bills on time, including credit cards and auto loans.

The Morgan Stanley report estimates that 12% of mortgage defaults in February were strategic. Other reports estimate an even higher proportion of this type of loan default.

Growing social acceptance of this behavior could have ramifications not only for personal credit histories and the health of neighborhoods, but also for the future of mortgage lending, according to those studying the issue.

For one, there’s a contagion effect: As more people watch their friends or neighbors choose to default, the more it becomes a viable option for homeowners who may otherwise wait years just to return to a positive equity position in their properties, said Sam Khater, senior economist for CoreLogic, a provider of consumer, financial and property information. The volume of foreclosures on the market today is also chipping away at the stigma that used to come with defaulting on a home loan.

“If you know someone who has defaulted strategically, you’re more likely to declare you’re willing to do it,” said Luigi Zingales, professor of entrepreneurship and finance at the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-18 11:02:39

Since the powers that be did such a terrible job missguestimating borrowers ability to pay when they made the loans in the first place, why do we believe that they’re suddenly better now that the borrowers have stopped?

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2010-05-18 12:38:05

Result will be higher down payments generally…good. Delay the next housing bubble for a bit longer.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-05-18 05:17:56

Let it burn. Sad, but probably what has to happen.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/05/let_it_burn.html

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-18 05:56:12

Dr Drew for president!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 06:29:13

“Demosthenes is a lawyer whose current employment prohibits taking a public position on political issues”

Well, what doe that entail?

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-05-18 06:58:59

I’m sure that before the US gov’t totally collapses, the Pentagon would rush in and fill the void, however. Of all the interested parties, they’re not going to let go so easily. Military dick-tater-ship.

 
 
Comment by reuven
2010-05-18 05:34:56

Happy Shavuos!

(It commemorates the day when Moses received the Torah at Mt. Sinai. Some of you may have seen the movie.)

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-18 06:04:11

Happy Shavuous to you as well, Reuven & our other Jewish posters.

I saw History of the World Part II where Moses received the 15 Commandments but dropped a tablet - what books of the Bible comprise the Torah? And was this in its entirety delivered on Mt. Sinai?

Comment by polly
2010-05-18 08:40:01

Torah is the first 5 - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy to folks who use the Anglicized version. Yes, that means if you take revelation seriously, Moses got to hear about his own death 40 years before it happened. Talk about ruining the ending.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-05-18 09:39:33

True, but imagine the fun you could have in the meantime. Jumping off of mud huts, standing in front of chariots, raiding the concubine quarters….

That is, until you realize you could spent 40 years in prison as a cripple.

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Comment by polly
2010-05-18 10:03:16

Not too many mud huts, chariots or concubines once they were already in the desert. Besides, if I recall correctly, he also got a highlights tour of his major screw ups for the next 40 years. And no way to fix them or God would cease to be omniscient. Just doesn’t sound like fun to me.

 
Comment by polly
2010-05-18 16:24:15

All this being said, I have a hard time arguing a lot against a holiday when you are encouraged to eat cheesecake. I don’t remember why dairy is the food group for Shavuot, but it is. Deep fried stuff for Channukah is easier to understand.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-05-18 18:14:28

Now do you understand we have been visited by aliens…and those aliens helped our founding fathers live very very long lives….

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-18 19:57:50

Thanks, Polly. Those happen to be my favorite books of the Bible, as well as Proverbs and Eccesiastes.

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Comment by jane
2010-05-18 22:42:07

For those who are weary and stricken at heart, Isaiah is better than a shrink, IMHO.

 
 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 09:36:29

Watch this - Mel Brooks is the funniest guy ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAtRCJIqnk

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 11:06:26

Parish, James Robert.
It’s Good to Be the King: The Seriously Funny Life of Mel Brooks (2007)

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-18 05:44:26

http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-05-11/senate-rejects-vitters-audit-the-fed-amendment-37-62/

Please take a couple of minutes to see whether your Senator voted to protect the Fed from long-overdue scrutiny into its lending and dirty deals with banksters. As could be predicted, most senators voted with the Fed and its too-big-too-fail bankster allies against US taxpayers. Please note how your senator voted and let them know how you feel about it.

Comment by measton
2010-05-18 08:16:23

Feingold Yea
Big money Kohl Nay

 
Comment by pmseatac
2010-05-18 09:07:20

Patty Murray has voted for every bailout, and against any reform or audit of the fed. She is 100% consistent. Our other senator, Maria Cantwell, is more balanced in her record. She voted to audit, and if I remember correctly was against the TARP. Oddly enough, although both have low approval ratings, Cantwell is almost universally hated and despised while Murray is merely looked upon with cold dislike. I would actually consider voting to re-elect Cantwell if she didn’t do anything too flakey between now and her next campaign. Murray is probably eligible for corruption charges and a prison sentence if her affairs were scrutinized closely.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-05-18 15:23:42

“Murray is probably eligible for corruption charges and a prison sentence if her affairs were scrutinized closely.”

That’s true for a majority of the 535 “public servants” on Capitol Hill.

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-05-18 05:46:14

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-17 19:18:02

Goldman Sachs and Jim Cramer just came out with bullish forecasts on gold. Normally that would mean “sell!”

LOL - sure enough - gold is down $20 this morning.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-18 06:05:21

I’ll buy on any dips, regardless.

Comment by Cassandra
2010-05-18 08:01:52

Careful, the Titanic had a few dips.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-05-18 12:07:44

Bouncing around quite a bit - now back up to even for the day.

Interesting how gold and stocks are now running opposite of each other the past few weeks, whereas before they were correlated.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-18 06:15:51

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100005734/congress-blocks-indiscriminate-imf-aid-for-europe/

Props to Senators Cornyn and Vitter who authored the recently-passed bill that should, in theory, bar Obama and his coterie from providing massive US taxpayer support to IMF bailouts of deadbeats like Greece. Thank God somebody in the Senate is standing up and saying “No!” to all these insane bailouts. I would urge each of you to contact these Senators and thank them for their leadership on this issue.

Comment by packman
2010-05-18 06:47:09

Awesome amendment, though at a 94-0 vote not exactly controversial. A truly meaningful push would be to simply withhold all funding from the IMF NAB program, without a “bailout target must be in debt over 100% GDP” condition.

(Or better yet simply withhold all funding from the IMF in general, but I give that about a 0.00000% chance of happening)

Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-18 09:25:37

All I can say is, all this stupid populist objecting to foreign aid had better stop. Because net, we are a recipient of foreign aid FROM poorer countries, and are utterly dependent on it.

Comment by packman
2010-05-18 09:41:33

O… K… And the source of your information is…?

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Comment by nycjoe
2010-05-18 11:11:16

In the form of cheap labor?

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-18 11:30:00

In the form of cheap labor?

Not sure if that’s what WTE was getting at, but that’s not aid to us - we pay them for that, in fact.

Perhaps WTE you were referring to treasuries? If so, not a valid comparison, since treasury investment returns are tied to risk level, which isn’t the case of the IMF loans, the return for which are way lower than the corresponding risk level.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 06:17:39

What are they thinking?…Don’t they have internet access, America’s Broke & Broken, buy Thai! :-)

U.S. sees record capital inflow:
On Monday May 17, 2010, By Steven C. Johnson NEW YORK (Reuters)

Foreigners bought a record $140.5 billion of long-term U.S. securities in March, the Treasury Department said on Monday, and more than doubled purchases of U.S. government bonds.

China remained the largest holder of Treasury debt and added to its holdings for the first time in seven months. Net Treasury purchases by all foreign investors jumped by $108.47 billion in March from $48.1 billion in February.

“The data essentially means the dollar is very well supported on a trade and investment flow basis, which drives the long-term value of the currency,” Woolfolk said.

Overall inflows, which include short-term securities such as Treasury bills, also rose in March, with foreigners buying a net $10.5 billion, compared with an upwardly revised $9.7 billion inflow the prior month.

U.S. banks’ own dollar-denominated liabilities to foreign residents also decreased sharply, by $123.8 billion. Analysts said that could be partly tied to dollar-demand from investors in Europe.”

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-18 07:18:14

Could the US Treasury be secretly giving dollars to Chinese banks to buy US treasuries to replace the domestic-purchasing plan that has “ended”? Just a question.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-18 07:40:42

Doubt it. The trade imbalance means that they HAVE dollars. The question is what will they DO with them?

 
Comment by measton
2010-05-18 08:19:35

China cares about building manufacturing and technology. If that means they have to give a chunk of dollars back to us to keep Americans dependent on their manufacturing then so be it.

Comment by yensoy
2010-05-18 08:41:35

They have to buy USTs (or agency bonds, corporates, stock, US assets) to keep the renminbi pegged. Their appetite for risk might have waned in favor of USTs, besides the goal is to keep a peg and not necessarily to grow the money - which to the bureaucrat types means buy treasuries.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 08:41:53

“…China cares about building manufacturing and technology” ;-)

And well they should, since their common folk tend to buy materials “locally”

“TrueBambooLie™”

Indoor air kills 2.2 million young Chinese: report
Mon May 17, BEIJING (AFP)

“More than two million Chinese youths die each year from health problems related to indoor air pollution, with nearly half of them under five years of age…

The study said dangerous indoor pollutants include formaldehyde, benzene, ammonia and radon.

It said formaldehyde posed the biggest threat. It is often found in building materials and new furniture in China and can be slowly released into indoor environments over the course of several years.

It said long-term exposure to such substances can cause a range of health problems including respiratory diseases, mental impairment and cancer, with young children, foetuses in utero and the elderly at most risk.

China’s massive economic expansion of the past three decades has made it one of the world’s most polluted countries as environmental and health concerns are trampled amid an overriding focus on industrial growth.”

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Comment by oxide
2010-05-18 09:37:39

It’s a form of population control that kills boys and girls equally.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-18 10:25:14

Yeah, but the ones that survive are all the tougher. They keep it up and someday they’ll be able live on other planets without supplemental life support.

 
Comment by nycjoe
2010-05-18 11:12:23

Little hard for them to avoid that dreaded Chinese drywall, I guess.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-18 06:48:21

Financial ethics down the rathole: Grantham

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20100517/FREE/100519864#

“It has become a rogue industry,” Mr. Grantham said in slamming the banks and brokerage firms who execute his firm’s trades. “Today, the ethical standard is: Don’t go to jail if you can possibly avoid it.”

“Shame on us,” Mr. Grantham thundered to a hushed audience. “We have allowed the deterioration in ethical conduct to take place. We have made no fight as we slid down the rathole.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 06:58:55

Mr. Bear, there are 26 letters in the alphabet…choose just one to add to his name: ;-)

“The anger at Wall Street banks even has some of the street’s more successful alumni thinking about whether to tout their backgrounds.

For example, a CFA board member dryly asked Clifford Asness, a well-known hedge fund manager and speaker at the conference, whether or not his background as a mortgage trader at Goldman Sachs should be included at his introduction.

“You know what the world is coming to when he asked me if I’m comfortable mentioning that I worked at Goldman Sachs,” Mr. Asness observed.”

Comment by oxide
2010-05-18 07:28:54

“You know what the world is coming to when he asked me if I’m comfortable mentioning that I worked at Goldman Sachs,” Mr. Asness observed.”

Its senses?

Comment by nycjoe
2010-05-18 11:17:20

Good one, lol. And I do wonder whether these folks are taking the advice of Albany lawmakers and making sure to deliver their reports by hand, instead of mailing them. This would let them dodge federal fraud charges!

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Comment by michael
2010-05-18 07:10:15

“Today, the ethical standard is: Don’t go to jail if you can possibly avoid it.”

i would like to see white collar criminals go to state “pound you in $#@” prisons. I’m talking stick their asses in Gen Pop baby.

I think that would help alleviate some of the risk taking. even if it deters a tiny bit…it would be worth it.

(a co-worker of mine has a brother in a federal pen…he’s told him that it’s really not that bad and that the first 3 to 6 months was kind of like a vacation with all the extra cirricular activities they have to offer….baseball…softball….and other sports).

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-18 07:49:24

Are you michael bolton the singer?

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-05-18 08:18:27

Wake me up when Mr. Granthan gives back the unethical compensation he’s been packing away all these years.

 
 
Comment by stpn2me
2010-05-18 07:10:07

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/18/news/economy/housing_starts/index.htm?hpt=T2

I noticed the jump wasnt unexpected.

Are good times here again?

 
Comment by Brett
2010-05-18 07:11:36

Frugal teen buys house with 4-H winnings

Lindsay Binegar was 14 the first time she spent any winnings from years of showing hogs. By the time she graduated from Greenfield McClain High School last June, she had saved more than $40,000 for college.

But her parents had a proposition: They’d pay for college if she’d live at home and commute to Ohio University’s Chillicothe campus.

Her dad, who runs Binegar Auction Service, had a suggestion.

“I said, ‘You should buy a house,’ ” Gary Binegar said.

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What a great dad!

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And the reader comments are:

“What A great story about a great girl!!!!. ”

“wonderful parents, wonderful girl!!! ”

“This young lady can be so pleased with her accomplishments.”

“This is what good parenting can do”

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-18 07:26:05

Another new home moaner!

 
Comment by oxide
2010-05-18 07:30:55

Never mind about the stupid house. I want to know who’s handing out $40K for showing hogs in podunk Ohio.

Comment by Brett
2010-05-18 07:40:33

She’s been showing hogs since she was 4 or 5; she saved all her money for over 12 years

Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-18 07:48:37

Future President, if we’re lucky.

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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 09:56:18

I remember high school. I saved nearly everything I made, while my parents paid for all of my expenses. Those were the days! Thanks to the money I saved, their generosity and the low cost of medical school in California 30 years ago I was never a debt slave.

 
 
Comment by yensoy
2010-05-18 08:43:31

This puts a new twist on the Chinese character for a house http://mandarin.about.com/od/characters/a/profile-jia.htm

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 09:23:47

Hey, that’s cool…I often use the pigs tail as physical description of the morals on “Wall St.” ;-)

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 08:55:09

OK, OK, someone has to say it:

“She took the Bull by the horns!”

Thata girl Lindsay! :-)

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Comment by Michael Viking
2010-05-18 11:16:00

I actually made good money in 4-H. The auctions where one sells their animals are basically more like charity/donations so the animal sells for a lot more than market rate. At least this is how it worked back in my days.

 
Comment by eudemon
2010-05-18 16:51:03

Her contribution to society is greater than many on The Hill.

And they get paid a great deal more than $40K over 12 years.

 
 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-05-18 08:05:07

If she’d bought in Detroit she could have had a dozen houses and gone to college.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 08:30:49

…with the daily ability to dodge that x1 bullet that bringeth not a diploma.

Comment by Cassandra
2010-05-18 08:47:41

but dodging bullets is a good life skill

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 08:53:10

Bugs: “eh, so is dodging these guys…”TrueDeceiver’s™”" ;-)

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 10:01:16

Dodging bullets is a not a good life skill for a little girl. You can only fail once. Her family should not be compensated, other than funeral expenses. She should have been able to sue her family and the police. She never had a chance.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/17/national/main6492493.shtml

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 10:42:28

Her family should not be compensated?

Please explain…

 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-05-18 10:50:30

Oh, and I can sue you for breathing my air, the real question is can I win?

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 20:58:38

Hi Hwy. Her family was harboring the murder suspect the police were looking for. She is the innocent victim. Her dad, not so much. Paying her parents for her death would be rewarding them for risking her precious life.

 
 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-05-18 10:48:36

Oh, I don’t know. I’ve found dodging them has been better than the alternative. Don’t misunderstand, I’m not selling Detroit. Just saying, Detroit, Ohio, pick your poison.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-18 10:05:46

Indeed!

Housing only goes up! It is the best infestment ever!

Sad story, really… all that money now gone to waste.

Comment by Anonymous Coward
2010-05-18 15:39:28

Now there was no link, but it sounds like she’s in small town Ohio, not Manhattan or Manhattan Beach. So she may be paying cash for a single family residence. Being 22 and owning your house outright doesn’t sound to me like a waste of 4H money at all. (So the value declines another 80%, what does she care if she never has to make a house nor a rent payment her entire adult life.

Comment by eudemon
2010-05-18 16:58:17

Exactly right.

I wonder how many of those have a problem with plunking down $40K for a house have no issue plunking down $40K for a car.

Speaking for myself, I’d rather live in a house than in a car.

Even in the dreaded Podunk, Ohio.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-18 07:31:48

I watched a Tivo of the Enron story “the smartest guys in the room” and during it all I could think of was that our entire financial system and government is just one big giant Enron.

Comment by michael
2010-05-18 08:44:12

check out the book “conspiracy of fools”. the video seemed to portray the Enron execs as calculating, sinister, evil genuiuses. the book is a bit more accurate i think and more illustrative of our entire financial system and goverment…a conspiracy of fools.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-18 10:09:53

I am going to get the book. Thank you michael.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-18 17:40:08

It is.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-05-18 07:42:32

OK, now I *am* minding about the stupid house. Her father is clearly playing the Appreciation Game and probably wants her to buy a condotel in Orlando, or some such nonsense.

However, there ARE situations where buying may pencil out. In that part of Ohio or any other rural area in the Midwest, you can buy an old but functional 3/1 on 1/2 acre for ~$100K. Lindsay could go to college for, say, teaching, and probably put away another $20K showing hogs as a part time job. Out of college she would have $60K cash, buy the house with half down for less than rent, and teach at rural school. It’s a low-level, Oil City Plan life, but it’s doable, and it’s certainly more stable than some flashy $100K IT manager with the $700K McMansion, hanging onto his fingernails hoping he’s not supplanted by an H1-B.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-18 08:30:43

True, but what about the $100k IT manager who rents and have roommates and socks away the savings in stock index funds?

Comment by oxide
2010-05-18 08:58:17

They are praised with great praise. Minstels reserve their greatest melodies for songs of men such as these IT Managers Who Rented and Had Roommates. Their lives are told as bedtime stories by hopeful mothers, so that their children may grow to be as successful. Their tactics are set down in the History Scrolls as motivational guideposts for generations to come. Their short writings are gathered from their wealth of online posts and carved into the marble of the Memorials to them, the immortal letters winding round the silent walls that embrace statues carved of the finest marble by the finest of artisans to showcase their swimmers’ bodies. As our noble IT Managers Who Rented and Had Roommates finally embark upon their journey across the River to those Fields which are worthy to receive them, the sites at which they had left our Mortal Coil are strewn with flowers by buxom young lasses, weeping that they were born too late to receive the Holy DNA. And long after they have passed and the innocence of the world is worn by the troubles of those who own, such men are regarded as a race Apart, of character and goodness so high that such like are never to be seen again. :sad:

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-18 09:22:33

oxide,

That was too funny and most excellent.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 09:31:13

+1 ;-)

 
 
Comment by mathguy
2010-05-18 10:26:58

As an IT Manager who rents and has a wife for a room mate, I salute you for your kindness :)

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Comment by tangouniform
2010-05-18 15:59:01

Can you expand on the buxom young lasses a little more? The story’s too thin for this crowd otherwise…

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Comment by jane
2010-05-18 22:59:46

OK, oxide, you write it I’ll buy it. Multiple copies.

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Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-18 12:32:26

“socks away the savings in stock index funds”

Diversify?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-18 17:42:24

If you make 100K and have roommates, you are just weird. Very weird. And I don’t mean that in a nice way.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-18 20:17:27

I knew someone doing the equivalent (inflation-adjusted). Was not me. But “wierd” is a term used like a bunch of high school gangs to cajole outsiders to conform. Are you still in high school?

The guy was paying $100 per month rent. Had so much money that he would take unpaid leave for weeks at a time to go to Australia or Brazil, places like that. He was a ladies man. He had everything a guy wanted to have - money and girls - even though he was the biggest cheapskate, the best looking women would willingly be doormats for him.

The only difference - he was not in IT but is a hardware enginer.

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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 21:04:03

I graduated high school nearly 40 years ago but I use the word “weird” all the time. There are, after all, lots of weird people in the world. And I think that a well compensated adult who has roommates is weird. I didn’t like having roommates when I was young and had to. My husband, who I love, annoys me about 20% of the time.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 09:03:48

Evangelical arithmetic:

(“TrueHypocrite™” + “TruePurity™”) - “TruePurity™” = “TrueHypocrite™” :-)

Indiana Rep. Souder says he’ll resign over affair:

INDIANAPOLIS – Indiana Republican Rep. Mark Souder says he’ll resign from Congress effective Friday over an affair with a staffer.

Indiana Republican Congressman Mark Souder, a staunch family values conservative who was elected as part of the Republican Revolution of 1994

Souder says in a statement provided by his office Tuesday that he has “sinned against God, my wife and my family by having a mutual relationship with a part-time member of my staff.”

He scheduled a news conference to discuss his future.

Comment by james
2010-05-18 09:48:14

Your own Truehypocrite nature will be observed on your blanket support for democrats that voted for every single bailout that got funneled to big money bankers.

Not that I’m supporting any of the campaign on family values nonsense.

Oddly enough, Christianity is all about forgiveness and realizing we are all sinners. A lot of the family values campaigns seemed to forget that.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 10:03:06

“…your blanket support for democrats that voted for every single bailout that got funneled to big money bankers”

Bugs: “eh, he don’t know me to well do he?” :-)

“Duck Season!”
“Wabbit Season!”
“Duck Season!”
“Wabbit Season”

Comment by james
2010-05-18 11:01:14

Alright Highway.

We will see.

I’m willing to put down (see dog, rabbid) any of the republicans, alleged republicans, evangelicals OR neo-cons that support the bailout nonsense or other over spending.

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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 21:08:05

Forgive this, James. I’d rather laugh about it!

“Souder Made Abstinence Video with his Mistress”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSoFg_ShS0U

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-18 17:47:14

The Repubs got us into this mess through steady and persistent dismantling of all consumer protection rules, regulations and laws over the last 30 years. They will never, NEVER be able to redeem themsleves.

If the Dems are corrupt (and god knows they are a bunch of schmucks), then the Repubs are Satan’s personal secretaries.

 
 
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Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-05-18 10:09:53

Here in Norfolk, VA the downtown area is filling in. A good number of new businesses spawning. Granted, most of them are coming from existing business owners, but empty storefronts are disappearing.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-18 10:22:48

Let me guess? Candle and scrap-booking shops and boutique eateries?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 10:22:56

A good number of new businesses spawning

Scrap-booking, gourmet dog biscuits, cat massages,…?

Comment by Kim
2010-05-18 11:41:16

Cash for Gold?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 12:08:05

There are “other” alternatives: ;-)

Some Girls: a memoir of life in a harem
May 18, 2010

As an eighteen year-old NYU theater school dropout, Jillian Lauren answered an audition seeking pretty girls to spice up the parties of a wealthy businessman. Soon after, she was on a plane to Brunei, finding herself in the harem of the Sultan’s youngest brother, Prince Jefri Bolkiah. While her days were filled with opulent luxury, she came to realize that she was a near-slave competing with 40 other women for the affections of the prince. In her memoir Some Girls, Lauren frankly recounts the 18 months she spent in the prince’s palace, her decision to return home, and her later pursuit of a healthy life

Tuesday May 18th | Home » Programs » AirTalk » AirTalk for May 18, 2010 » Some Girls: a memoir of life in a harem

http://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/2010/05/18/some-girls-a-memoir-of-life-in-a-harem/

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 10:52:05

(Hwy wonders if there is a “TrueAnger™” PeeParty tea toadlers discount?)

The Palin Barracuda s$$$$$$pawning season is on their “run” ;-)

By BECKY BOHRER, Associated Press Writer Becky Bohrer, Associated Press Writer,Tue May 18

JUNEAU, Alaska – Bristol Palin is hitting the speakers’ circuit and will command between $15,000 and $30,000 for each appearance, Palin family attorney Thomas Van Flein said Monday.

Bristol Palin to hit speakers’ circuit:

Bristol Palin, 19, is listed on the speaking group’s website as available for conferences, fundraisers, special events and holidays, as well as women’s, youth, abstinence and “pro-life” programs.

Her fee is denoted by four question marks, meaning “Call to discuss!” The same designation is given to New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees.

Van Flein said Bristol Palin will be selective in the speeches she gives.

He said he believes she’s interested in expanding her message beyond teen pregnancy to include her experiences on the campaign trail and in the media spotlight; her parenting approach; and her outlook on life.”

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-18 17:50:10

Yep, we’re doomed. There are maybe a handful of 19 yos of the entire planet who have something to say worth paying to hear.

She ain’t one of them.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 21:12:05

I’m so grateful to Bristol for sharing her wisdom with us, and I’m quite certain that she is only doing it out of concern for mankind.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-05-18 11:07:43

funny I think this is called “moral Hazard”

• Research from the Chicago Booth/Kellogg School Financial Trust Index found a rising percentage of homeowners are willing to strategically default: The percentage of foreclosures perceived to be strategic was 31% in March, compared with 22% in March 2009. The data is collected through a survey of about 1,000 people.

One possible reason the numbers are rising is some homeowners’ belief that lenders aren’t aggressively pursuing those who default, according to the Chicago Booth/Kellogg School report.

“With more and more homeowners believing that lenders are failing to pursue those who default on their mortgages, there is a risk that a growing number of homeowners will walk away from their homes even if they can afford monthly payments,” said Paola Sapienza, professor of finance at the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University and co-author of the report, in a news release. Zingales was a co-author.

People are also learning they often have one or two years before they get thrown out of a home after stopping payments, said Frank Pallotta of RH Reward, or Responsible Homeowner Reward, a program that works with lenders to provide financial incentives for borrowers who are at a high risk of strategically defaulting.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-18 11:29:51

Heckuva job, Oynes-ie.

“The head of offshore drilling at an Interior Department agency criticized after the Gulf Coast oil spill is retiring a month earlier than planned, an administration official told CNN on Monday.

Chris Oynes will step down as associate director of the agency’s Offshore Minerals Management Program at the end of May, the official said. The program is part of the Minerals Management Service.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 12:01:53

He did a heck-a-va job protecting that thing to his right!

(Looks like he sucked down a few ribs and burgers as well… while performing his Gov’t job, how much time to they get for lunch?)

http://www.mms.gov/offshore/Assets/Photos/Oynes.jpg

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-05-18 15:33:21

“…while performing his Gov’t job, how much time to they get for lunch?”

As long as they want. No one keeps track. Some people run their own business from their govt desk and phone. Seen it myself.

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-18 12:25:34

“Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, facing Congress for the first time since the Deepwater Horizon oil well blowout in the Gulf of Mexico last month, said Tuesday that weaknesses at his agency’s Minerals Management Service may have contributed to the disaster.

“We need to clean up that house,” he said in an appearance before the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, referring to the minerals service.

Mr. Salazar said that the majority of the agency’s 1,700 employees were honest and capable but that there remained “a few bad apples.” He said that anyone found guilty of negligence or corruption would be rooted out.

The Obama administration has already announced that it will separate the minerals service’s conflicting functions of promoting offshore oil operations and regulating their safety and environmental compliance. Mr. Salazar said further steps would be needed to give federal oil regulators more resources, more independence and greater authority to police oil drilling operations.”

At least somebody/some gov’t entity is taking some of the the blame (although he shouldn’t have said “may have contributed”). It’s nice to see the oil cheerleaders and the tree huggers get separated, but once again, the barn door gets closed just in time to see the last horse’s azz!!

MrBubble

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 12:34:09

Oil Industry: TBTCU (Too Big To Clean Up)…see ya! :-)

Cheney-Shrub Legacy Effect # 119: “So? we had secret meetings with the energy industry CORPORATIONS, so what?…no,… you’re not on the NTKL (Need-To-Know-List) next question…you, the fella from Faux news”

Comment by james
2010-05-18 16:09:45

I’ve been in a couple of clean-ups around NJ…. trying to remember the name of the one in the Arthur Kill. Was in hazmats and part of cleanup crews. Job sucked but paid well. Remember it was cold as hell on that one.

Some notes… catching the oil slicked birds kills the birds at a slightly high rate than the oil does. Maybe we’ve gotten better in the ensuing 20 years.

The oil forms annoying little balls that are a beyotch to get out of the water. Skimming boats tend to go over it. The oil hangs around for a long time. We had guys walking the beaches in Jersey all summer looking for oil patches. We get plenty of oil in the water here in LA. Not sure if it is from the spills 30 years ago.

Spent a lot of time at various industrial/refinery sights doing cleanups. Companies were spending a lot of effort to try to clean things up. It was a major pain in the ass when you’d find a little vein of petrochemicals had leached from a tank and had to dig out a hell of a lot of soil to get up a very marginal amount of oil.

Did we have some net positive effect on the enviroment? Hard to say. There are some very very nasty synthetic chemicals in the processing. Had to go to great lengths to get rid of those. Course you are tearing up the landscape and creating polution with the effort. Not to mention spending a lot of energy to either move polution around, such as shipping contaminated soil to Arkansas; or possibly sending soil to a high temperature incinerator. Also spending a tremendous amount of resources.

Big oil typically spent money pretty freely on cleanup. Small chemical firms were nasty though. Abandoned things and tended to skip town. Lots of other dirty tricks.

So… anyhow… hate to see how big a mess we are looking at. Don’t understand why they didn’t blow the well weeks ago.

Figure there will be some silly remarks like yours. People in all walks of life want BIG cars and trucks that get sh1tty gas MPG. So, major lust for oil. Then a spill happens and all your hear is whine whine whine along with finger pointing.

Putting this on Cheney-Bush is a big stretch but you keep blaming the housing bubble on them so I guess that is in your DNA.

And just as they will eventually discover that the Euro and US banks are too big to bail, big oil is to big to clean up.

Again.

Everybody. Has. A. Piece. Of. The. Blame.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 16:49:48

Big Oil is a quick learner:

Privatize the profit…socialize the clean-up! :-)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-18 18:27:28

“…Then a spill happens and all your hear is whine whine whine along with finger pointing.”

I’ve already been fired by Ki Ki Dee as an “entry level cost-benefit analyst” now I’m shooting for a “Risk Management” termination.

But this is turning out to be the Mother of all man-made Environmental Disasters for the US of A…it might leak as much oil as Cheney-Shrub put in the salt caverns @ $146.00 per barrel…wait, there’s thundering stomps of feet coming my way…it’s …it’s, Cheney and he has paddles in BOTH hands…and he’s turning blue with “TrueAnger™” ;-)

What if lil’ Opie (The Non-Hawaiian) has to use a nuke to limit the $$$$$$$$$$ socialized damages?

“The Coast Guard commandant, Adm. Thad Allen, said that despite the siphoning, the spilled oil is spreading and now stretches from western Louisiana to Florida’s Key West. The extent of the spill was straining even the substantial resources deployed for one of the worst ecological disasters in recent history, he said.

While some lawmakers criticized the Obama administration for what they described as a slow response to the disaster, the White House accused congressional Republicans of blocking legislation that would raise the limits on liability payments faced by oil companies from $75 million to $10 billion. BP has said it won’t limit payments to the $75 million and will pay the full amount of “valid claims, which could reach into the billions.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski, an Alaska Republican, blocked a voice vote on the legislation because she said it would hurt small oil companies’ ability to drill offshore.

In a statement, Obama said, “This maneuver threatens to leave taxpayers, rather than the oil companies, on the hook for future disasters like the BP oil spill.”

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/18/1636044/coast-guard-despite-bp-efforts.html#ixzz0oKmvX8cV

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-18 13:23:00

“The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling on a large scale.”
~Thos. Jefferson

Comment by krazy bill
2010-05-18 18:48:57

“And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity in the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”

~Thos. Jefferson

Standing armies dangerous? Was Jefferson a pinko pacifist that hated America?

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 21:16:42

Yes, he was a godless pinko pacifist who hated America.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-18 13:28:02

Ted Turner: Is God speaking in Gulf Coast spill?

Ted Turner has never been one to keep his opinions to himself.

Sometimes referred to as “The Mouth of the South,” the CNN founder lashed out against religious believers in the past. He once dubbed Christianity a “religion for losers” and wondered aloud whether the Ash Wednesday observers around him at work were “Jesus freaks.” His marriage to Jane Fonda was rumored to become strained when she started finding religion.

And while his stance has certainly mellowed with the years - he apologized for his past comments and joined with churches in 2008 to fight malaria - his suggestion that God may have had a hand in the oil disaster that killed 11 and is threatening the Gulf Coast may take some by surprise.

“Could be,” God’s work, he told CNN’s Poppy Harlow. “He’s sending us a message.”

Turner sat down with Harlow recently to discuss the energy policy in the United States. The full interview is posted on CNN Money.

“I’m not a real religious person, but I’m somewhat religious. And I’m just wondering if God is telling us he doesn’t want us to drill offshore,” he said. “And right before that we had that coal mine disaster in West Virginia where we lost 29 miners,” as well as repeated mining disasters – “seems like there’s one over there every week” – in China.

“Maybe the Lord’s tired of having the mountains of West Virginia, the tops knocked off of them so they can get more coal. I think maybe we ought to just leave the coal in the ground and go with solar and wind power and geo-thermals where it’s applicable.”

Comment by packman
2010-05-18 13:38:09

Just a guess, but his latest investments are probably in green energy / nuclear.

Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-18 14:47:57

Could be.

But it’s refreshing to hear something pertaining to religion other than “Jesus wants you to be rich” or somebody’s quote from the OT to tell me what I can or can’t do or something about 72 virgins or how I can’t eat a cow or some Shinto thing that’s equally bonkers (just trying not to be biased against any specific religion).

Turner still doesn’t believe any more than I do. It’s about using an extant organizational structure to promote change for the good rather than letting it be used against you either a) by the most radical of the sect or b) as a reflection of what certain religious leaders and their cronies have to gain.

Sounds like the link between DC and Wall Street come to think of it. Meet the new boss…

I’m doing the same thing here at the Free Farm here in SF. I’m not a believer (clearly), but by using Lutheran land and the Lutheran org structure to grow food, I’m helping to feed the underserved in the community. Yeah, there’s some hand holding and semi-churchy malarkey at lunch, but I deal with it so as not to throw out the baby with the bath water. Beats golfing on Saturday.

“Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members ; the last, the least, the littlest.”

Which basically is paraphrasing Matthew 25: 41-46.

MrBubble

Comment by eudemon
2010-05-18 17:07:35

What Turner is doing here is deplorable. It does prove the point that many have been saying for 1o years now: Environmentalism increasingly is becoming the new fundamentalist religious fanaticism.

Religious fundamentalism and and environmental moonbatism. What’s the difference?

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-18 17:56:26

Worshiping an invisible entity that you can never prove exists and is whimsical at best in helping to make your life better or drinking clean water and eating safe food while breathing clean air?

Yeah, I can see how they are hard to tell apart.

 
Comment by eudemon
2010-05-18 20:58:45

Tell that to Al Gore. And to the worshippers of (and at) the U.N.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-18 21:35:23

“Tell that to Al Gore. And to the worshippers of (and at) the U.N.”

That response was not at all an adequate or appropriate defense against the sarcasm assault that ecofeco just hurled against your gossamer ramparts. As others have stated, “Weak. Like you in gym class.”

 
 
 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 21:18:50

Maybe he has dementia. He is getting up there.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-18 14:11:08

The Housing “Recovery” Is Just Another Government Subsidy, Says Whalen
Posted May 18, 2010 by Henry Blodget in Investing, Recession, Banking, Housing

Homeowners and the real-estate industry have been heartened over the past year, as house prices have staged a startling recovery. In recent months, that recovery has started to wane, but in many parts of the country, prices are still higher than they were a year ago. And that’s welcome news for anyone who owns a house, makes their living selling or building houses, or is underwater on their mortgage.

But it’s all a mirage, says Chris Whalen, managing director at Institutional Risk Analytics. Or, more accurately, it’s all a product of government subsidies.

House prices have risen, Whalen says, because the government is desperately trying to get them to rise — to bail out banks who would otherwise be taking even bigger losses on the underwater mortgages. Similarly, house-building has restarted in earnest because some states are subsidizing house building, in part to address sky-high unemployment.

While these subsidies may have some positive benefits (jobs, happier homeowners), they also come at a cost: Our housing and debt binge will take longer to work through. Instead of dealing with the problem quickly, Whalen says, we will punish the economy for years. House prices may not fall much more, but they won’t likely take off, either. Instead, they’ll move sideways, as banks work through all the lousy loans they made in the last years of the bubble, and the country works through all the needless housing inventory we have now resumed building.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 21:20:32

We knew that.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-18 21:44:31

Does Whalen per chance post and/or read here?

“Instead, they’ll move sideways, as banks work through all the lousy loans they made in the last years of the bubble, and the country works through all the needless housing inventory we have now resumed building.”

Why would anyone predict an ever-growing inventory glut against the backdrop of defunct end-user demand would spell anything but further price declines ahead? I don’t follow his logic.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-18 14:15:48

We’re gonna need Mo-Money…

Calif pension fund asks state for additional $600M
California pension fund, facing large losses, tells struggling state it needs an extra $600M

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Facing massive investment losses, a key committee of California’s giant pension fund voted Tuesday to make the state increase its contributions to employee retirement benefits by $600 million in the coming fiscal year.

The demand comes as California grapples with a $19 billion budget deficit and a threat by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to eliminate its welfare program.

The contribution increase would be for one year starting in July, but the California Public Employees Retirement System is likely to require similar increases in future years. Local school districts, already facing their own budget struggles, also will see their pension contribution rates grow.

The development is driven largely by CalPERS’ huge investment losses, but also because people are living longer and retiring earlier.

CalPERS, the nation’s largest public pension fund, lost $55.2 billion, or a quarter of its value, during the 2008-09 fiscal year.

“The biggest reason why we need increases is the investment losses,” said Alan Milligan, interim chief actuary for CalPERS. “Quite frankly, there’s more to come.”

The vote by CalPERS’ Benefits and Program Administration Committee will go to the full pension board on Wednesday.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-18 21:18:14

‘“The biggest reason why we need increases is the investment losses,” said Alan Milligan, interim chief actuary for CalPERS. “Quite frankly, there’s more to come.”’

How can he predict future investment losses? I guess that proves once again that efficient asset pricing is dead.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-18 14:17:31

No more selling if you’re naked and short…

Germany to Ban Naked Short-Selling at Midnight (Update2)

May 18 (Bloomberg) — Germany will temporarily ban naked short selling and naked credit-default swaps of euro-area government bonds at midnight after politicians blamed the practice for exacerbating the European debt crisis.

The ban will also apply to naked short selling in shares of 10 banks and insurers that will last until March 31, 2011, German financial regulator BaFin said today in an e-mailed statement. The step was needed because of “exceptional volatility” in euro-area bonds, the regulator said.

The move came as Chancellor Angela Merkel’s coalition seeks to build momentum on financial-market regulation with lower- house lawmakers due to begin debating a bill tomorrow authorizing Germany’s contribution to a $1 trillion bailout plan to backstop the euro. U.S. stocks fell and the euro dropped to $1.2231, the lowest level since April 18, 2006, after the announcement.

“You cannot imagine what broke lose here after BaFin’s announcement,” Johan Kindermann, a capital markets lawyer at Simmons & Simmons in Frankfurt, said in an interview. “This will lead to an uproar in the markets tomorrow. Short-sellers will now, even tonight, try to close their positions at markets where they can still do so — if they find any possibilities left at all now.”

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-18 17:58:15

Wow. This ought to be interesting. My guess is they’ll go “American” and just keep on doing so no matter what the law says.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-18 15:30:11

Has anyone participated in “credit based insurance scoring”?

Specifically, if you have a good credit score, is there any disadvantage in letting your insurance company run your score to determine your premiums?

My insurance company keeps harassing me about how much money they want to save me by doing this, but I’m guessing their motivation isn’t necessarily in my best interest. (if they don’t know my score, how do they know they’re going to save me money?)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-05-18 15:41:06

I didn’t know it was something you could participate in. One of the “discounts” we get on our home and auto policies is based on having a good credit score. And they offer a further 5% discount on the home policy premium if we pay it all at once as opposed to two payments six months apart. That’s effectively a return of 10% per year on the second installment, which you sure can’t get anywhere else.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-05-18 15:42:08

Should have said, “…choose to participate in.”

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-18 15:53:34

Bill,
They need my permission to run the score. Who is your insurer, if you don’t mind me asking? I like the ability to pre-pay and get a discount. I’ll keep that in my back pocket to negotiate.

 
 
Comment by Anonymous Coward
2010-05-18 15:53:05

Credit scores and insurance claims are closely correlated. Some property/casualty insurers run a credit report as part of their standard underwriting processes. So their motivation is to more accurately assess their risk in issuing you a policy. If you’ve got good credit, you’ll pay less. If you’ve got bad credit, well, it won’t be rosy.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-18 16:20:56

I’m not asking why they do it, I’m asking if you have a good credit score is there any reason I wouldn’t want them to run my credit? (Assuming, of course, that I maintain that good score level)

Comment by Anonymous Coward
2010-05-18 16:48:38

The only other downside is that it will show up as someone checking your credit, just like if you were to apply for a credit card or a mortgage. (Your credit score takes a very small hit each time someone runs a credit check on you.) So if you’re planning on trying to qualify for a really low mortgage rate in the next 12mo it would be a really bad idea to go shopping for insurance rates at 15 different companies and letting each one pull a credit report. But it doesn’t sound like that’s your plan…

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-18 19:41:32

Thanks, AC. I’ll have to see if I can find a site that explains what kind of hit one takes when an insurer does a credit check. IIRC, some are better than others.

To me, this all seems somewhat unconstitutional considering we don’t technically own our scores but they will be used against (or for) us to determine eligibility for certain things.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-18 18:39:21

It’s something the insurance companies are pushing in all states and the model they want to move to.

Bad news for us.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-18 18:34:46

YES! Dr. Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul, has trounced his empty-suit RINO opponent in the KY GOP Primary. Sleazy plutocrat puppet Mitch McConnell and his Establishment GOP hacks went all out to try to install one of their hand-picked Wall Street whores in the Senate. Fortunately, enough people in KY have been sufficiently screwed over by the Powers that Be that they came out in droves and voted for REAL change. And don’t believe for a minute that endorsements from a certain insubstantial bon vivant posing as a national political figure and talk show host was what put Rand over the top.

Now excuse me while I do another End-Zone dance and hoist another brew.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 21:28:29

Sammy, I love your exuberance. We never get to see you happy.

Now I’m going to rain on your parade. Rand ain’t his daddy. He wants to be a senator badly, and you will be treated over the next six months to him waffling on his daddy’s libertarian views.

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/55703/rand-paul-not-quite-his-father-foreign-policy

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-05-18 21:32:20

excellent. Now hopefully he’ll win the election.

We need more people like Ron and Rand in congress.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-18 21:46:35

I’m sorry, drummin. I’m just a complete cynic.

Rand Paul Opposes Medicare Cuts to Physician Payments

http://www.whas11.com/community/blogs/political-blog/New-controversy-for-Rand-Paul–93843284.html

Comment by drumminj
2010-05-18 22:54:46

I’m sorry, drummin. I’m just a complete cynic.

certainly worth keeping an eye out for, but that “article” is pure hearsay. Hard to take what “he told a gathering of neighbors in the back yard of Chris and Linda Wakild, just behind the 10th hole of a golf course” seriously.

Have a credible source for his opposition, and his reason for doing so?

(not doubting, just want a real source).

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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-19 06:52:18

Nope, remarks made at a small fundraiser is all I saw. But it bugs me, and I have low expectations for any politician. I just don’t think he is his father, who will never get anywhere because he’s consistent in his economic libertarian views.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-18 21:39:31

May 17, 2010, 6:27 p.m. EDT

How to profit from the sovereign debt crisis
If U.S. debt levels have you worried, there are ways to put your money to work

By Laura Mandaro, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Skidding currencies, plunging stock markets, soaring government bond yields — if the type of debt crisis that just hit Greece heads to U.S. or other shores, investors may think the safest place for their savings is the mattress.

Yet plenty of strategists say there’s a way to make money off the next phase of the sovereign debt crisis.

Strategies range from the obvious — trimming holdings of long-term U.S. Treasurys and buying gold — to the esoteric — buying Brazilian reals while shorting the Czech koruna.

But the concept behind all of the approaches is that the current turmoil will last a long time.

For the debt crisis, “we’re in the middle innings of that game,” said Max Bublitz, chief investment strategist at SCM Advisors. Read more on the second debt storm.

Investors should prepare to wait and perhaps suffer some pain along the way, money managers say. Many suspect the U.S. economy could suffer low growth and bouts with deflation before high debt levels give rise to an upturn in interest rates.

“If you put these trades on, you have to be in it for the long term,” added Russ Koesterich, head of investment strategy for scientific equities at BlackRock.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-18 21:52:50

Does anyone have a sense of whether the stock market crash in response to the Greek bailout is going to last for weeks, months or years?

Just curious…

May 19, 2010, 12:18 a.m. EDT
Asian Shares Lower; Exporters Weak As Euro Tumbles

By Leslie Shaffer

(Adds information, quotes, updates/adds market levels)

SINGAPORE (MarketWatch) — Asian markets were broadly lower Wednesday after shares on Wall Street dropped Tuesday on Germany’s decision to ban naked short selling in certain financial instruments. Though stocks in Shanghai had erased early losses, led by gains in metals companies.

Investors were taking cover after Germany’s move surprised markets. “The action appears to have backfired, fuelling uncertainty over its impact, potential replication by other European countries, how and to whom it would apply as well as how it will be enforced,” said Credit Agricole in a note.

“Once again a single euro-zone country has enforced a unilateral measure in an uncoordinated fashion. It is unclear whether other euro zone countries will follow Germany’s actions but it is clear that the measure has led to a further bailout from European asset markets,” the report said.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-18 22:01:02

Stopped clock real estate expert housing recovery prediction:

“Home prices are forecast to rise NEXT YEAR.”

(You fill in the year yourself, equal to CURRENT YEAR + 1).

And don’t worry, unlike almost every other prediction MSM-favored economists have made for years on end, reality won’t turn out “worse than expected” compared to this one.

But never fear; even if the timing on these guys’ predictions are off, I have a comforting reassurance to add:

REAL ESTATE ALWAYS GOES UP, IN THE LONG RUN.

Home Prices to Rebound in 2011

Economists and other housing analysts surveyed by MacroMarkets predict, on average, a rise of about 12% in the five years ending Dec. 31, 2014.

* U.S. NEWS
* MAY 19, 2010

Home Prices Projected to Begin Rebound in 2011

By JAMES R. HAGERTY

U.S. home prices will begin a gradual recovery by next year, according a survey of 92 economists and other housing analysts by MacroMarkets LLC.

Separately, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that single-family housing starts in April surged to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 593,000, up 10.2% from March. Ivy Zelman, chief executive of research firm Zelman & Associates, said builders stepped up production ahead of the April 30 deadline for sales qualifying for a federal tax credit, but since then have cut back.

The analysts surveyed by MacroMarkets on average expect home prices, as measured by the S&P/Case-Shiller national index, to rise about 12% in the five years ending Dec. 31, 2014. As of Dec. 31, that index was down about 28% from its peak level in mid-2006.

Some of the forecasters surveyed by MacroMarkets were far from the average. Joseph LaVorgna, an economist at Deutsche Bank, sees home prices rising 37% by the end of 2014. Both Anthony Sanders, a professor of real-estate finance at George Mason University, and Gary Shilling, president of A. Gary Shilling & Co., expect declines of about 18%.

Mr. Shilling, whose firm provides economic consulting and investment advice, said excess inventories, including those from looming foreclosures, will pull prices down. Mr. LaVorgna said a rapidly recovering job market should soak up most of that supply. He added that much of the excess supply is in remote or economically depressed regions and so isn’t relevant to most potential buyers, who will instead bid up prices in more desirable areas.

MacroMarkets, based in Madison, N.J., was co-founded by Robert Shiller, an economist at Yale University who helped create the Case-Shiller indexes. MacroMarkets creates securities that let people bet on the direction of various types of assets, including residential real estate. The survey by MacroMarkets was the first of what it says will be a monthly series involving about 100 analysts.

Mr. Shiller, who didn’t contribute a forecast for the survey, said in an interview that the average prediction of a 12% price rise over five years was “a plausible scenario.” During the housing boom, Mr. Shiller drew attention for bearish house-price comments that were far gloomier than the consensus but eventually proved to be on the mark.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-18 22:57:19

‘Mr. Shiller, who didn’t contribute a forecast for the survey, said in an interview that the average prediction of a 12% price rise over five years was “a plausible scenario.”’

Other “plausible scenarios” for the next five years:

- blood in the (U.S.) streets

- “worse than expected” number of homeowners walking away from their underwater houses

- double-digit unemployment lasting for “longer than expected”

- “worse than expected” collapse in U.S. housing prices due to an excess supply of vacant homes coupled with new supply of foreclosures and walkaways compounded by new construction predicated on the false housing market recovery scenario

- many heard to say, “Real estate is the worst possible investment”

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-18 22:08:54

Here is a term, “beggar-thy-neighbor,” which I have not seen in MSM print since the onset of the credit crunch. In fact, other than my own HBB posts, the last time I saw it in print was when I took an International Monetary Policy course over fifteen years ago.

The Financial Times
Single currency bloc plays ‘beggar-my-neighbour’
By Martin Wolf
Published: May 18 2010 20:24 | Last updated: May 18 2010 20:24

Might the eurozone break up? Until recently I would have answered: absolutely no. This is not because I thought the currency union a wise idea. I thought it a risky idea, made more so by the decision to accept member countries so different from those of the zone’s northern core. But the commitment to make it work seemed fundamental to the policies of Europe’s principal powers. Is that still true? I do not know.

So what has gone wrong? What is happening now? What happens next? What does it mean for both the eurozone and the world economy?

On the first question, the European orthodoxy is that the crisis is, at root, fiscal. Marco Annunziata of UniCredit summarises it in a recent note: “In hindsight, it seems obvious that the flaw in the eurozone’s institutional setup is both extremely serious and extremely simple: first, a currency union cannot work without sufficient fiscal convergence or integration; second, the eurozone has been unable to create incentives for fiscal discipline.” Mr Annunziata’s chart shows that this view is wrong. Just consider the frequency of breaches of the rules requiring fiscal deficits of less than 3 per cent of gross domestic product. Greece is a bad boy. But Italy, France and Germany had far more breaches than Ireland and Spain. Yet it is the latter that are now in huge fiscal difficulties.

The fiscal rules failed to pick up the risks. This is no surprise. Asset price bubbles and associated financial excesses drove the Irish and Spanish economies. The collapse of the bubble economies then left fiscal ruins behind it.

It was the bubbles, stupid: in retrospect, the creation of the eurozone allowed a once-in-a-generation party. Some countries had vast asset price bubbles; many had soaring relative wages. Meanwhile, Germany and the Netherlands generated huge current account surpluses. The union encouraged a flood of capital to the surging economies, on favourable terms. When private spending imploded, fiscal deficits exploded.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-18 23:04:55

Japanese share prices always go down.

market pulse

May 18, 2010, 8:31 p.m. EDT

Japan shares fall; chip makers among big decliners
By Myra P. Saefong

TOKYO (MarketWatch) — Japanese shares fell Wednesday morning in Tokyo, tracking losses on Wall Street, with the Nikkei Stock Average losing 1.4% to 10,102.74 and the broader Topix falling 1.2% to 902.85. Chip-maker shares were among the bigger decliners following news reports that some of the world’s largest memory-chip makers are expected to settle the European Union’s price-fixing charges later Wednesday.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-18 23:08:56

Not only does Whitman have Gollum behind her, but now she has Cheney’s voice of support!

Former VP Cheney backs Whitman in Calif. gov race
The Associated Press
Posted: 05/17/2010 01:12:07 PM PDT
Updated: 05/17/2010 02:55:44 PM PDT

SACRAMENTO, Calif.—Former Vice President Dick Cheney has endorsed Meg Whitman in the Republican gubernatorial primary, saying she can do for California “what Ronald Reagan did for America.”

Cheney’s endorsement came in an op-ed column published Sunday in the Orange County Register. In it, he said the former eBay chief executive is the only candidate in the race with the leadership skills needed to turn around California’s economy.

“America cannot afford to have its largest state teetering on the edge of financial collapse,” Cheney wrote. “California needs a proven executive who has the mettle to stand up to the entrenched special interests in Sacramento and cut spending.”

Specifically, he praised Whitman’s commitment to enacting tax cuts for businesses, reducing the pension benefits of state government workers and reforming the welfare system.

“Meg’s conservatism is rooted in the optimism that people can achieve great things if government doesn’t stand in their way,” Cheney said. “I believe Meg Whitman can do for California what Ronald Reagan did for America.”

California accounts for 12 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product but has struggled with high unemployment and high home foreclosures for the past three years. The recession has hit its economy hard, leading to a dramatic tumble in the tax revenue coming to state and local governments.

The state faces a $19 billion deficit in the coming fiscal year.

Against that backdrop, Whitman and her opponent in the June 8 GOP primary, state Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner, have focused on economic issues. But Poizner, who has been trying to catch up to her in the polls, also has made strides with conservatives in recent weeks by attacking Whitman on other issues, including illegal immigration.

He accuses Whitman of favoring amnesty, a charge Whitman denies. In his op-ed column, Cheney sought to counter the perception that Whitman may be soft on the issue, saying “she has a strong and practical approach to securing the border.”

Cheney also challenged Poizner as someone who does not always adhere to conservative principles. He wrote that Poizner donated to then-Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore in 2000 and opposed the Iraq war.

In an email response, Poizner spokesman Jarrod Agen said the candidate supported the invasion of Iraq but believes parts of the invasion were bungled. He also said the donations to Gore were made on behalf of Poizner’s wife, a Democrat, through the couple’s joint checking account.

Poizner was a fellow in the Bush White House working with the National Security Council in 2001 and 2002.

Whitman spokeswoman Sarah Pompei declined to say whether the campaign sought Cheney’s endorsement, which was featured prominently Monday on the campaign website.

Cheney’s support might help Whitman secure votes in the June 8 Republican primary but also could be a hindrance during the general election. California voters generally held a dim view of the George W. Bush administration.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-18 23:12:35

Gollum claims to look out for its clients, while screwing them with sh!tty assets.

And Moron declines to comment.

Bloomberg
Goldman Sachs Hands Clients Losses in ‘Top Trades’ (Update1)
May 19, 2010, 12:39 AM EDT

(Adds U.S. lawsuit against Goldman in third paragraph.)

By Ye Xie

May 19 (Bloomberg) — Goldman Sachs Group Inc. racked up trading profits for itself every day last quarter. Clients who followed the firm’s investment advice fared far worse.

Seven of the investment bank’s nine “recommended top trades for 2010” have been money losers for investors who followed the New York-based firm’s advice, according to data compiled by Bloomberg from a Goldman Sachs research note sent yesterday. Clients who followed the tips lost 14 percent buying the Polish zloty versus the Japanese yen, 9.4 percent buying Chinese stocks in Hong Kong and 9.8 percent trading the British pound against the New Zealand dollar.

The struggles for analysts at Goldman, which is fighting a fraud lawsuit from U.S. regulators who accuse the company of misleading investors in a mortgage-linked security, show the difficulty of predicting market movements as widening budget deficits, a fragile global economic recovery and tighter financial regulations increase volatility. Stock and currency fluctuations rose to the highest in a year this month as Europe pledged about $1 trillion to stop a debt crisis in the region.

“This says that Goldman’s guys are only human,” said Axel Merk, who oversees $500 million as president and chief investment officer of Merk Investments LLC in Palo Alto, California. “No one is always right. There are a lot of cross currents in this market.”

Gia Moron, a spokeswoman for Goldman Sachs, declined to comment.

 
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