Bits Bucket For May 20, 2010
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Guten Morgen. Es gibt nicht so gut in Europa.
The Financial Times
Schäuble says financial markets out of control
By Quentin Peel in Berlin
Published: May 20 2010 03:00 | Last updated: May 20 2010 03:00
Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s finance minister, has warned that the financial markets are “out of control” and called for “effective regulation” to ensure a properly functioning market, writes Quentin Peel.
In an interview with the Financial Times, Mr Schäuble said markets would not work properly “if the risks and rewards are completely unbalanced”. He called for the standardisation of products, regulation of over-the-counter transactions and measures to improve transparency “for all market participants”.
He also threw his weight behind new calls for a global financial transaction tax, arguing that it should be discussed “in an unbiased way” at the June summit of the G20 economies in Canada. If it was not agreed, the European Union should consider going ahead on its own, he said.
Mr Schäuble’s support for a financial transaction tax follows growing pressure for further measures to force banks to share the costs of the crisis. The German government faces a stormy debate in parliament this week over its participation in the €750bn stabilisation plan for the eurozone and the move on a transaction tax could persuade the opposition Social Democrats to support it.
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Chinese commentary is getting a bit more pointed too:
(goes to link story) Huh, look at that. Yesterday this story, as you can tell by the link, was about a Chinese official trashing Wall Street and how it cheats its clients and investors. The quotes were pretty extreme. But the story’s been scrubbed. The link on MarketWatch was the same but the copy’s been totally rewritten. The tone now is one of a milquetoast.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-banking-advisor-wall-street-is-barbaric-2010-05-19
Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s finance minister, has warned that the financial markets are “out of control” and called for “effective regulation” to ensure a properly functioning market, writes Quentin Peel.
They don’t just need effective regulation. They need effective enforcement. Does anyone really think the mangy, neutered, toothless, silent “watchdog” that is the SEC is going to go after malfeasance among their Wall Street pals? And risk the wrath of this Goldman Sachs-owned Administration and its economic advisors? Right. Now don’t bug them: they’re busy watching transvesitemidgetporn.com.
They don’t just need effective regulation. They need effective enforcement.
And the only way to have effective enforcement is to PARE DOWN the regulations to the point where normal people, with reasonable effort, can comprehend them all (as opposed to having to make a whole career out of administering three subsections).
+1
Add to that - pare them down such that the actual overhead cost of compliance isn’t incredibly burdensome.
Sobarnes Oxley would be a good start.
More than just spinning their wheels and looking at ( midget transvestites was it? ) if they put half the enforcement effort they have for the retail side of the business toward Madoff/Goldman etc. we wouldn’t be IN this mess!
You will never see reduced regulation. Regulation favors the TBTF firms and each new regulation makes it harder for smaller competing firms in the market.
The regulators in just about any large industry you care to name have been captured and are going about the lapdog service of snarling a snapping at the heals of any up and coming firms.
Today I’d guesstimate the threshold between the ins and the out to be around $250 million annual sales. If the company you work for doesn’t meet that number you can expect to be working for someone else at some point in the next 10 years or so.
Which is how Europe and Japan work today. You either work for the govt or a behemoth company. Not too many startups or companies with 20 employees exist.
Right Ki, Europe leads in this, but as with all things we Americans will get on board and do it up real fancy.
“A properly functioning market” being defined, of course, as one that always goes up.
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Inside joke for Prof. Bear….
RED ALERT: BLACK SWAN GUANO BOMB WARNING!!!
* May 20, 2010, 11:43 AM ET
Everything you need to know about trading this sell off
It’s Stock Request Live Thursday here at the Cody Blog and I’m still not Carson Daly. Normally on Thursdays I analyze in depth one stock requested by readers, but with the markets down 3% across the board today I got flooded with requests for a markets overview instead of just individual stock analysis. So let’s hit it.
After months and months of steady bull market climbing, this market’s really gotten rather vicious and wild, eh? Indeed, volatility’s the rule of the market action lately, and it’s ugly out there today as the wrong side of volatility takes control.
People talk about the Vix, which is a measurement of how volatile the market has been trading, and take a look at where it is right now, as it’s hitting 52 week highs for the the second time this month:
Chart A - VIX 1 year chart
But it’s not just that the Vix is up so much…look at how the volatility of this volatility measure is through the roof itself. Look at how it’s not just climbed, but has spiked reflecting how quickly that steady-betty action on the way up suddenly stopped.
Greece and the EU bailout continue to be the focal point of most traders (and economists), and certainly the tensions there caused by asking blue collar and government workers to forgo promised benefits just months after the same government was able to find trillions for bank bailouts are cause for concern. But I’d just remind everybody that the only difference between Greece and Connecticut (their GDPs are the same!) is that nobody’s rioting in CT.
But that doesn’t mean we’re suddenly going to see this market find it’s steady-betty legs again. No, as I’ve been saying since the flash-crash of 2010 hit two weeks ago that such volatility will beget more volatility — and certainly that’s held true. And from my thirteen years of trading and writing about the markets, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a market undergoing such spiking volatility ever be able to rally to new highs. Typically, such spiking volatility results in a two-step backward, one-step forward kind of market.
For example, back in 2006 I used to write about how the market went for more than 100 days in a row without making a decline of more than 1% in the S&P 500 and how the best strategy was to just get long and ride the steady-betty action. Without a doubt, 2006 was a year full of 52-week highs for the markets:
Chart B - DJIA Jan 2006 - Jan 2007
See how incredibly smooth — and profitable for the bulls– that stair-steppy action was during those days?
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I hope the social unrest contagion is not coming soon to California.
The Financial Times
Bangkok burns and Thai protest spreads
By Tim Johnston in Bangkok
Published: May 19 2010 03:15 | Last updated: May 19 2010 19:34
Smoke rises from Bangkok’s Central World shopping mall
Thailand’s army brought an abrupt end to more than nine weeks of anti-government demonstrations in central Bangkok on Wednesday but watched as protests spread to other parts of the capital and into the provinces.
As dusk fell over the city, the air poisoned by burning buildings, soldiers maintained a cordon around a large part of the city centre, where they hunted the remaining militants in the warren of back streets around the protest zone.
Bangkok and 21 other provinces were put under an 8pm to 6am curfew on Wednesday night as security forces struggled to round up protesters who had set fire to 20 prominent buildings in the city.
The buildings included the Thai stock exchange, a government-run television station, and Central World, south-east Asia’s second-biggest shopping centre, which burned unchecked.
“If they like burn our mall, I’m going to be like so bummed”
“If they like burn our mall, I’m going to be like so bummed”
They can burn mine and I wouldn’t care . I don’t like over priced Zoos.
Like, oh my God! Like, gag me with a pitchfork, for sure!
At what point in the process do ‘citizens’ turn into ‘insurgents’ in the land of the free and the home of the brave? Or do we need a third party, like Iraq, to invade before the ‘evildoers’ are brought to ‘justice’?
“I hope the social unrest contagion is not coming to California.”
The state’s budget is shot, welfare will probably be cut, and I don’t own a gun.
I can’t do anything about the first two but I’m thinking about doing something about not having a gun.
Berretta 21A with .22 cal. hollow points. If it accidentally discharges, you’re not likely to kill anyone in the next room, next apartment or next house. Also, when the National Guard is in your neighborhood–as in the 1992 riots–it’s small enough to hide. I wouldn’t buy it in California, however. But realistically, in a total batsh!t episode of lawlessness, the individual citizen will just have to hope for good luck. That’s how I see it.
What states allow non-residents to buy?
Carry gun… S&W .38 Air Weight. Nothing to think about, no round to chamber, just point and shoot.
Home protection, Mossberg 12ga. pump shot gun, just point in their direction and they will get hit.
Thanks. That’s close to what I’ve been thinking about, not the specifics but in general a pistol and a medium range weapon, perhaps a lightweight carbine.
The deciding factor may be determined by what is available second-hand; I don’t want to put out the big bucks buying new.
Be sure you guys get a gun safe…Gotta have a gun safe…
wmbz recommended a revolver, not a pistol.
Be sure you guys get a gun safe…Gotta have a gun safe…
Why is that? Kind of defeats the purpose for home defense, at least.
It’s the proper place to store your other guns when you’re away from home and only have your carry gun. It’s usually not practical to take your entire arsenal with you.
Get a Remington 870 pump shotgun (for the house). Shouldn’t cost more than a few hundred (used). Great gun, reliable as he**, and, like wmbz said above, just “point and shoot”, anyone in the general direction will either be dead, maimed, crippled, or just deaf and terrified. Either way, the assault/attack will be over, which is the point of having a gun for protection!
I don’t know my pistols that well, I carried a .22 for protection when I was in bad neighborhoods often; but, for most people, a bigger caliber is a better idea. A .22 doesn’t have much stopping power; a head shot is pretty much necessary to take someone straight down. I’d probably suggest a 38 (revolver) or a 9MM (automatic). Depends which style you prefer; for protection, I’m a big fan of revolvers; fewer moving parts and less (or no) maintenance until you fire.
Get a Remington 870 pump shotgun (for the house)
I like the Mossberg’s better, personally. The safety is in line of sight rather than down on the trigger guard. But both make a version with an 18.5″ barrel.
Why is that? Kind of defeats the purpose for home defense, at least ??
Because loose guns kill innocent people and if your asleep, the gun is loose…Get a alarm for the house…Gives you plenty of time to get to the safe in your bedroom…
It’s the proper place to store your other guns when you’re away from home ??
Exactly Bill…
Because loose guns kill innocent people and if your asleep, the gun is loose…Get a alarm for the house…Gives you plenty of time to get to the safe in your bedroom…
Living alone, with no children visiting, I don’t feel the need to lock up my home defense gun. And being a renter, I can’t just have someone come out and install an alarm (well, perhaps they would let me, but that sure is expensive!).
Yes, it’s possible the gun will get stolen if someone breaks in when I’m not home…
But yes, BiC/scdave, I agree with the general idea of securing firearms when you’re not around. I just want my defense gun to be readily accessible should I need it.
Every illegal gun on the streets started out as a legal gun. Cash and guns are the big target of home burglaries. And you can’t blame em.
I want a pink gun. That would be super cute! Oh my God!
here you go-
http://blog.riflegear.com/archive/2007/12/26/hello-kitty-ar-15—evil-black-rifle-meets-cute-and.aspx
Dogs usually work great as perimeter alarms as well.
Daddy, I want a pink Hello Kitty AR-15 and I want it RIGHT NOW!
“And being a renter, I can’t just have someone come out and install an alarm (well, perhaps they would let me, but that sure is expensive!).”
About $300 for a basic package and $20-30 a month if you want monitoring. Well worth the price to sleep better at night.
Handgun to protect your life, shotgun to protect your property, and AR-15 to protect your liberty.
Be sure you have a light on or with your home defence weapon. If you shoot an illegal home invader you could be in big trouble.
I picked up rem. 700 and built a silencer along with my other weapons.
Can hit targets at 400m. Can’t hear it past 10 yrds. Most of hood is a clear shot and doesn’t draw attention.
Geez I agree with wombats on this issue. I got a S&W Airweight for a carry gun here in the back country of Idaho. You need to practice a lot to get accuracy with this tiny gun.
A Mossberg model 500 shotgun is the default close defense weapon - the US military uses them for a combat shotgun so you know you are getting a “mil-spec” firearm at bargain prices. For about $300 you can get a combo model 500 with both a short cylindrical barrel for home defense and a longer modified choke barrel for shooting skeets and real birds. Even general purpose sporting goods stores like Big 5 carry the Mossberg, and I’m sure Wallyworld does too.
SIG-Sauer P220 .45 ACP pistol is my carry. The only reason for the .45 is they don’t make a .46.
Love my Mossberg, I mostly use it to blow the head off of rattlesnakes. I think it actually works as a drill for me because when I see a snake I need to hurry to retrieve, load, rack, etc. before the darn thing slithers off.
I wonder if this might affect Disney. Both of their “resorts” are in states that are strong candidates for social unrest. Will the well to do go visit the Mouse if there is rioting in metro LA and Orlando?
get a 12 gauge pump shotgun. best gun IMHO opinion for home safety…especially for those concerned about small children. first…it’s long and unwieldy for a small child and it’s difficult for them to chamber a round.
as for protection…it will penetrate bullet proof vest…and just about everyone in the world knows that pump action sound. if i was a home invader and heard that sound in the dark of night…i’d shit my pants.
Gee whiz, according to Amy Bishop she accidentally loaded and accidentally fired a pump shotgun THREE times, twice by accident into her brother. Those things is dangerous - they load themselves and go off all by their lonesome.
If it can happen to a cop it can happen to anyone….Get a safe….
Google this;
Colleagues Shaken by Gun Death of Calif. Deputy’s Toddler: Top ..
Back in College (1968), I worked nights cleaning a S&L building. One night, the silent alarm in the safe goes off unknown to me.
I see all these Denton cop cars racing down the street in front of the building, so I figure someone is holding up the Safeway across the street. So I go running out the side door to see whats happening. Just as I clear the door, I hear a couple of 870’s shuck. I look up and I am face to face with two shotgun barrels. Cop says “hold it boy”. Stops ya dead in your tracks.
Course having hair down to my shoulders didn’t help the cause, but we got past it.
Course having hair down to my shoulders didn’t help ??
That would have been a terrible way to get a haircut…
My wife is a mean shot with her 12 and she can
jack a round so fast it will make your head spin.
Some how we lost all our rifles, shotguns, and handguns when the boat capsized when we were
out fishing. All 34 of them. Honest to God, officer, it’s the truth!
Hope is not a strategy. I’d prepare for the worst.
If things do go that way for the cities, I’m expecting a flood of refugees to flee to what they consider open land or even vacation properties in an attempt to live off the land. I’ve been wondering how property owners will respond.
If it was me and I had farmland, depending on the numbers I’d try to set up some sort of barter situation. Work for food/housing. In reality though that attitude assumes everyone involved would be fair and upstanding citizens. The whole security issue is the biggest wildcard. And I don’t particularly embrace that arming oneself is a cure all. Even if the whole neighborhood was armed. All it would really take to overcome us is a larger group w/more guns, better aim, a deeper stash of bullets or more aggressive personalities. We’re not soldiers. We’d just be scared suburbanites and hunger and fear is a strong motivator among mobs.
All it would really take to overcome us is a larger group w/more guns, better aim, a deeper stash of bullets or more aggressive personalities.
There’s always going to be someone who might be willing to overpower or outgun you. That doesn’t mean it’s not prudent to take measures to deter the “Average” criminal.
A locked door can easily be broken open. How many people have windows on their house, but lock their doors? A motivated person can get in no matter what, but it’s still reasonable to take precautions to deter the average person.
Arming oneself for the potential of civil unrest is similar, IMO.
The absolute best defense is a strong community
and neighbors that will stand together.
“If things do go that way for the cities, I’m expecting a flood of refugees to flee to what they consider open land or even vacation properties in an attempt to live off the land.”
Can you think of an example from modern history where this has happened? Every one I can think of the refugees were always headed for another city, not into the wild.
Dude - Sound of Music
They were crossing the alps into Switzerland, a nuetral country with civilization. I imagine Von Trap had a numbered account there.
Excerpts from “Mass Hysteria/Modern Age”
Note the housing reference in last verse.
True sounds of maniacal laughter
And the deafmute is
Misleading the choir
The punchline is a natural disaster
And its sung by the unemployed
Fight Fire with a riot
the class war is hanging on a wire
Because the martyr
Is a compulsive liar
when he said
“It’s just a bunch of n’s (not pc)
throwing gas into the hysteria”
There’s a disturbance on the oceanside
They tapped into the reserve
The static response is so unclear now
Maybe this is not a test!
As the neighborhood burns
America is Falling
Vigilantes warning ya
Calling Christian and Gloria
I’m a fugitive son
In the era of dissent
A hostage of the soul
On a strike to pay the rent
The last of the rebels
Without a common ground
I’m gonna light a fire
into the underground
I want to take a ride
to the Great Divide
beyond the “up to date”
and the neo-gentrified
The high definition
for the low resident
where the value of your mind
is not help in contempt
I can hear the sound of
A beating heart
That bleeds beyond a system
That’s falling apart
With money to burn
on a minimum wage
I don’t give a shit about the modern age.
Written by Anaheim, CA band Green Day
from the disk 21st Century Breakdown
This album, another rock opera, told the story of the nihilist Christian and his somewhat naieve girlfriend Gloria as the nation’s anger comes to an apex and their world descends into violence. It is hopeful in the end. But obviously the men that penned these lyrics have considered that things could get pretty raucous as the groups of people eventually attempt to expel their oppressors.
Not to nitpick, but I think Green Day is from Berzerkley.
Concerning home defense. It’s better to have and not need.
I thought they all lived in Oakland. Not that this fifty-something suburbanite knows anything about punk rockers.
coming soon to California ??
Coming to LA for sure if things get much worse…LA will be ground zero in California…All you need is the precursor…Such as; The Terminator threatening to eliminate Welfare…Ka-Boom…
In that environment you don’t even need that. Just one tired or distracted cop making one tiny wrong move could lead to an incident that could be the spark. In a city that size, situations like that materialize many times each day. Look at Athens and Paris a few years ago, and that was in unarmed Europe!
How ever you slice, buying a house is such a locale should not be a priority right now.
The Financial Times
UK police body warns of riots and unrest
By James Boxell, Home Affairs Correspondent
Published: May 19 2010 21:37 | Last updated: May 19 2010 21:37
The chairman of the Police Federation, which represents thousands of rank-and-file officers, warned on Wednesday of mass 1970s-style social disorder were Britain to suffer a similar crisis to the one that has hit Greece.
Pointing to the recent violence in Athens, Paul McKeever said he was worried that the UK could suffer race riots and industrial unrest over the next few years.
“We could have that sort of distress on the streets again,” he told officers at the federation’s annual conference in Bournemouth.
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Won’t happen until after London has the summer Olympics.
after ??
How about during ??
The Wall Street Journal
* POLITICS
* MAY 20, 2010
Whitman’s Lead Narrows in California Race
By STU WOO
Meg Whitman appears to have lost much of her wide lead in the race to be the Republican contender in California’s November gubernatorial election.
Two months ago, Ms. Whitman looked to be cruising toward the Republican nomination. Polls showed the former eBay Inc. chief executive leading her main opponent, state insurance commissioner Steve Poizner, by 50 percentage points.
With three weeks to go before the June 8 primary, Mr. Poizner is pulling off an unexpected rally. A survey to be released Thursday shows Ms. Whitman’s advantage dwindling to single digits, with 38% of respondents saying they would vote for her, and 29% for Mr. Poizner.
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“There will be a number of polls in the race,” said Whitman campaign spokeswoman Sarah Pompei. “We’re confident that on election day, Californians will reject Sacramento politicians and choose Meg…” Poizner spokesman Jarrod Agen said the survey showed that the momentum was behind his candidate, while Ms. Whitman was “just stumbling.”
Californians are now seeing the costly, cutthroat campaign that political analysts expected when Mr. Poizner and Ms. Whitman, both multimillionaire alums of Silicon Valley companies, announced their campaigns to succeed the termed-out Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
The 53-year-old Ms. Whitman has given $68 million to her campaign so far, while Mr. Poizner, also 53, has contributed $24 million to his.
Many of the ads are negative. Mr. Poizner has blasted Ms. Whitman for her ties to Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and her opposition to Arizona’s strict immigration law, which he supports. This week, his campaign released an Internet video accusing Ms. Whitman of profiting from sales of pornography on eBay.
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This story is sure to bolster stock market confidence. So much for that fat finger BS.
* The Wall Street Journal
* BUSINESS
* MAY 20, 2010
Trading-Firm Breakdowns Accompanied Market Chaos
By SCOTT PATTERSON
As the stock market spiraled out of control two weeks ago, two major firms that handle trades for retail brokerages suffered trading breakdowns.
One, the big Chicago hedge-fund firm Citadel Investment Group, stopped taking orders for a number of securities, according to an internal email and people familiar with the matter. Shortly after the market plunged, Citadel asked clients, including discount brokers such as E*Trade Financial Corp. and TD Ameritrade Holding Corp., to route orders elsewhere.
Citadel’s technical glitch, as well as woes at another firm that trades for retail brokers, Knight Capital Group Inc., show how some everyday investors unknowingly were caught up in the market maelstrom.
Citadel Execution Services, the hedge-fund outfit’s arm that makes markets, is one of the biggest players in executing trades for retail customers, from day traders to mom-and-pop online investors, executing and routing half a billion shares a day, according to its website. Citadel also ranks second among firms that provide liquidity on the Nasdaq Stock Market, the Nasdaq website says.
While it remains unclear what effect Citadel’s problems had on the market, its move is emerging as another example of a tripped wire in the market machinery on May 6.
Knight was handling so many orders that one of its computers “just blew up,” according to a person familiar with the matter. The breakdown led to a slight delay in handling orders and affected less than 1% of the firm’s orders, the person said.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell almost 1000 points within minutes that afternoon, before rebounding.
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Interesting.
Here’s what I think is a good take on the “flash crash”.
Flash Crash: No Harm For Normal Investors
By JAMES B. STEWART
In the search for the problem at the root of the apparent breakdown of trading on May 6, launched with such fanfare and urgency but so far showing scant results, investigators may have to confront an awkward question: What if there wasn’t any problem?
Everyone in a position of authority seems to have jumped to the conclusion that something went seriously wrong when the Dow Jones Industrial Average suddenly lost nearly 1,000 points and that it was only a matter of identifying the culprit(s). Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Mary Schapiro called the plunge “unacceptable.” Even before knowing the cause, stock exchanges canceled trades that occurred between 2:40 p.m. and 3 p.m. at prices 60% above or below the price at 2:40 p.m. Nasdaq alone canceled more than 10,000 trades involving at least 1.4 million shares.
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If there was genuine human or electronic error, something akin to an act of God, then there’s a case for overturning the market results and unwinding trades. But if not, the case for intervention doesn’t seem nearly so clear.
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Congress and the SEC should find out who, exactly, placed those orders and under what circumstances. If the trades resulted from sophisticated algorithms that failed to take into account the possibility of such volatile trading conditions, do those investors deserve to be bailed out by having the trades unwound? Should MIT-trained engineers turned professional traders be protected from their lack of foresight? Conversely, should those traders who devised programs to take advantage of such a free fall be denied their profits?
I, for one, don’t think so.
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It’s about FREAKIN time someone said this! I’ve been thinking the same thing since the flash-crash.
The folks who had a high enough risk tolerance to step into the breach and buy the crashing stocks for cheap SHOULD reap the rewards for their risk-taking. Depriving them of their gains is total BS.
Likewise, the folks who place market orders SHOULD now understand better the risk of such an order; if they are not prepared to take it, they should place limit orders, not market orders.
Further, the people who place stop-loss orders only to have them trigger on a plunge that recovers within the course of the trading day SHOULD now comprehend the risk of being stopped out when they did not really want to be.
I am strongly convinced that all of this manipulation and changing of the rules after the game is played only serves to reinforce the volatility of the market. If the trades can get unwound, there is less pain in following the stampeding herd off the cliff—and there should be plenty of pain there. And who will bother to buy in the next crash if there is no reward to be had there?
Further, the people who place stop-loss orders only to have them trigger on a plunge that recovers within the course of the trading day SHOULD now comprehend the risk of being stopped out when they did not really want to be.
So you don’t feel that one should use a stop-loss? Should one have to constantly watch the market to protect from getting run over in a panic?
Someone who had a reasonable stop loss that was not a stop-limit would have gotten killed with the action that day. What would you recommend instead?
Note, I’m not arguing that the trades should have been unwound. I agree with your last paragraph whole-heartedly.
So you don’t feel that one should use a stop-loss? Should one have to constantly watch the market to protect from getting run over in a panic?
My comments would be these:
- In a scenario such as we just saw - a stop loss wouldn’t make a difference, since the stocks bounced back up.
- The scenarios that a stop-loss helps are in true panics - e.g. Sep/Oct 2008. However those were not “flash crashes” - someone who really did have a lot tied up in equities would have had time to react to the changes, which were never down more than 5% or so on any given day.
- More often than not - whenever a quick fall happens, it’s followed by a quick rebound. Using stop losses really hurts in these scenarios. This is why I never use stop losses - I think they’re in general a bad thing. October 1987 would be the only exception I can think of - but even then the market regained over 50% the following day after the crash, and fully recovered within 2 years (and continued skyrocketing after that) - anyone who didn’t sell during the crash that held on for that period made out well.
- The only way you’d get truly wiped out during a crash without a stop loss is if you have an extremely risky portfolio - e.g. you’re very leveraged via margin and/or have little diversification, and you’re not present (e.g. you’re on vacation, with little news or internet access for days or weeks) when the crash happens. I’d advise any such people to close things out some before vacation, and really to just not have such a risky portfolio unless they’re willing to lose it all (e.g. someone who’s quite young).
P.S. all that being said - if it’s found that there truly was a “bug” in trading on March 6th, as opposed to just program trading doing what it was programmed to do, then I think it is proper to unwind some trades. An analogy would be if the bank accidentally removes $10k from your checking account via a software bug, and you had a check bounce as a result. The bank shouldn’t be able to claim “Hey - you took the risk of opening a checking account with us - it’s your bad”. It should not only return the $10k but also pay for the bounced check fees.
However that being said - by unwinding all affected trades - that’s analogous to the bank actually clawing back the bounced check fees from the people you wrote checks to - something that’s not normally (though perhaps sometimes) done.
“So you don’t feel that one should use a stop-loss? Should one have to constantly watch the market to protect from getting run over in a panic?”
I have no problems with people using stop-loss orders if that helps them sleep at night—that’s great.
I just don’t think people with standing orders should complain if they execute as ordered.
In other words, if you have a trailing 10% stop-loss order, you are saying that you are OK with losing 10% in a single day, and having the stock close where it opened. You are _choosing_ to be stopped out on the way down, even if the stock subsequently recovers.
A 60% swindle is too greedy and will not be allowed. However, we are all fine with a 59% swindle. See, even wall street greed has limits.
Be they day traders or “mom & pop online investors” ( welcome to the Bigs guys! ) Start figuring E & O Insurance into your cost of doing business and get back to me?
Yeah, I’m not taking a hard line here guys, it’s just that E-Trade et al having been crying for years ( Just because our clients avg. 100 share trades.., why can’t WE get IPO’s!? etc. etc ) and they only like it when they’re winning.
I’m not defending what happened and unless you’re in a geographic advantage we’re all getting screwed. But “caught up”, whatever.
If firms can cause these kinds of market movements by accident, it seems reasonable to assume they would use that power to make it move on purpose.
I was watching the market hijinks today and wondering what the narrative would be to accompany the moves.
Question for GAO auditors to consider: Is it legal for the Fed to use freshly printed liquidity to snap up toxic mortgage debt in order to backstop the housing market?
The Fed’s own rhetoric seems to concede this is not a monetary policy tool, so what gives them the authority to allocate money to the Real Estate Industrial Complex?
* The Wall Street Journal
* ECONOMY
* MAY 19, 2010, 8:52 P.M. ET
Majority of Fed Opposes Selling Assets Anytime Soon
By LUCA DI LEO
Federal Reserve officials at the end of April were more optimistic about the U.S. economy, but a majority opposed selling anytime soon the mortgage-backed assets bought by the Fed to combat the recession.
Minutes of the Fed’s policy-setting meeting April 27-28, released after the usual three-week lag Wednesday, showed officials expect the economy to grow this year by around 3.5%, slightly more than forecast in January. That should help bring the high unemployment rate of 9.9% down a little by the end of 2010.
However, the huge slack left over from the worst economic downturn in 80 years is seen keeping inflation low for years to come. Most Fed officials projected that inflation could even stay slightly below the central bank’s informal long-run target of between 1.5% and 2% all the way into 2012.
The very tame inflation outlook, coupled with a jobless rate expected to stay above 8% until the end of 2011, suggests that higher interest rates and asset sales are still a long way off. At the end of their last meeting, which took place before Europe’s debt crisis intensified, Fed officials repeated they expected short-term rates to remain close to zero for an “extended period.”
To combat the financial crisis, the Fed slashed its benchmark federal-funds rate—which banks charge each other for overnight loans—close to zero in December 2008, and has kept it there ever since. When that wasn’t enough to lift the economy, the Fed flooded the financial system with cash by buying $1.7 trillion in assets. Most were mortgage-backed securities, purchased to help keep mortgage rates low.
Now that the economic recovery is gaining momentum, some Fed officials have been calling for the assets to be sold as soon as possible. However, the minutes showed that a majority of Fed officials wanted to hold off on the sales until after the central bank lifted its benchmark interest rate, which most economists don’t expect until 2011next year.
“Such an approach would postpone any asset sales until the economic recovery was well established and would maintain short-term interest rates as the Committee’s key monetary policy tool,” the Federal Open Market Committee minutes said.
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a majority opposed selling anytime soon the mortgage-backed assets bought by the Fed to combat the recession.
Well duh. The Fed needs to keep those mark-to-fantasies on the books to boost assets as surely as BoA does. If the POS MBS were worth anything, private banks would have bought them long ago on the open market.
“The very tame inflation outlook, coupled with a jobless rate expected to stay above 8% until the end of 2011, suggests that higher interest rates and asset sales are still a long way off.”
The intent seems to be to keep the large shadow inventory off the market until asset values recover. But will the result of that policy instead be to keep the large shadow inventory unoccupied until it deteriorates to the point it’s not easily occupied?
Would widespread squatting in these shadow inventory properties force their hand?
But will the result of that policy instead be to keep the large shadow inventory unoccupied until it deteriorates to the point it’s not easily occupied?
I’m sure the building boyz are counting on this.
PB ….I have never understood how the Feds had the authority to buy
toxic paper . Maybe they had the authority from Congress on the limited Tarp funds . What is even more alarming is the Feds buying bad paper at higher values than the market would bear on some notion that the value
will come back ,or even making loans on that junk . If anything these non-performing assets go down in value more every day .
As far as that body of Politicians we have goes ,only a handful are out for the good of this Nation . The Politicians can’t break from their Masters . The reform bill is BS and it doesn’t really take away the gambling casinos that brought about this meltdown ,however there are some Politicians trying to fight it but they are up against the servants of the Masters of the Universe .
The biggest thing Wall Street wants is to keep the gambling Casino games and the ability for Big Investment Bank /Insurance entities /Unregulated Lenders /Regulated lenders to be Money Changers and
all go to the same pond to play the variety of games . What good does it do to have regulated Banks with higher leverage requirements when they can enter the unregulated World of the gambling casinos and sell to them or play the high risk games ,it makes the leverage requirements bogus .
You could break up the Banks ,but if all the smaller Banks or entities could /can go to the same pond the risk remains . Also ,they have to do something about the Credit Default Swap insurance games and the
creation of derivative markets that are off the chart leverage
games without proper reserves . Wall Street Financial Market Makers took the money games to a whole new level of Ponzi -schemes of risk ,while the business model changed to “Risk is Good ” with other peoples money ,which translates to “Greed is Good “,never mind the potential loss of the fleeced . Wall Street market makers trying to say that the Big Boys knew what they were doing with all these casino games that created massive losses isn’t a rational response to the problem . Only if you were on the right side of the trade did you know what you were doing and its clear that mis-ratings and other forms of deception stacked the deck in favor of some Game players over others . The funds of this Nation and other Nations should not be at the disposal of these Entities that only have their own profits
in mind and don’t act fiduciary . What a concept ,people who handle money acting Fiduciary .
The high risk unregulated Market Casino games should only be a small part of the overall market ,not the main stay ,which it became .
Instead of a investigation on what cause the meltdown , the Powers simply bailed out entities and kept the Casinos alive and kicking .Keep the status quo in spite of the leverage games being a killer to this Society . Kick all the bum out of Congress once they come up with a bogus Bill this round and than re-do it again .
Oh remember back before TARP. Some of the many alphabet soup facilities authorized by the treasury and Fed reserve allowed them to take alternative collateral for loans.
Forget which particular facility it was but that authorized it with backing of treasury.
So, yes, when they sell those off the Fed will be insolvent and have to be bailed out by the treasury.
In IMHO James ,based on the fact that those loans would be in the trillions on junk paper from entities that weren’t even regulated ,
the Feds/Treasury should of got the permission from Congress .
Not that Congress wouldn’t of given them permission because they are out to do anything that favors their Masters that bails them out.
How many Americans were shocked when they found out
that AIG ,a insurance Company ,got the biggest bail out and Goldman Sakes got 100% on the dollar when AIG could of said they were deceived by fraudulent misrepresentation of securities and denied the claim . The bail outs prevented a lot of law suits that
would of shown the true colors of the Ponzi-scheme high risk low reserve markets that were based on misrepresentation of securities .
Talk about how true reform would of come about if the bail outs hadn’t occurred and they were handled based on Standing Law at the time . The government could of stepped in and provided the same money toward the credit markets ,as it ended up doing anyway, instead of us watching these entities spend their bail out money on bonuses . Waste of a bunch of money and a prolonging of the corrupt financial markets is all the bail outs got us .
Is there any question what side Senators Dodds is on ?
Commercial Property Values Drop as Rebound Stalls (Update2)
(Bloomberg) — U.S. commercial real estate values fell in March, pushed lower by a quarterly drop in retail and office properties in the biggest metropolitan areas, Moody’s Investors Service said.
The Moody’s/REAL Commercial Property Price Index fell 0.5 percent from February, the second straight monthly decline, Moody’s Investors Service Inc. said today in a report. Prices slid 25 percent from a year earlier and are down 42 percent from the October 2007 peak.
“This is continued bad news for property owners,” Christopher Cornell, an economist at Moody’s Economy.com in West Chester, Pennsylvania, said in a telephone interview. “The trend is basically flat prices.”
How about a tax-credit for commercial? That ought to do it.
A guy I know mortgaged his LA house in 2007 and used the cash to make down payments on 5 pieces of commercial RE around LA. He told me he was on the fast track to being rich. He’s now over $100K underwater on his house and I’m sure he’s underwater on the fully-recourse mortgages on those commercial properties.
Have a nice day.
DennisN,
And don’t think that story is ever far from my thoughts. It’s sad, here’s a guy that was trying to move down from the cheap seats and in other times could well have been working on his way to the inner circle.
Could have worked had he gone w/ (1) got it paid down/off and used that as a stepping stone, but NO….!
The sad thing is he’s a well-paid ambulance chaser attorney who makes 6 figures most years. He bought his house in 1988 and paid it off. THEN he took out a $715K mortgage to play Donald Trump. His house currently Zillows at about $600K.
He’s 56 years old and has been chasing get-rich-quick schemes all his life. If he’d just lived a comfortable but frugal life, he’d be a multi-millionaire retiree by now.
Once he bought a race horse for $100K as an “investment”. It was stolen shortly thereafter and the cops thought the thieves were the same guys who sold it to him. The thieves apparently high-tailed it back to Mexico from whence they came.
“The sad thing is he’s a well-paid ambulance chaser attorney who makes 6 figures most years.”
And that’s sad because . . . why?
More change, you can count on…
Lenders Agree to Prop Up Ailing ShoreBank
FOXBusiness
Some of the nation’s largest banks have agreed to contribute enough money to save Chicago-based ShoreBank, the community lender with strong ties to the Obama administration.
The banks have agreed to contribute $140 million to bail out the bank, while the federal government will donate tens of millions more, according to people close to the talks. In addition to major Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs , which agreed to contribute $20 million to the bailout effort, as well as Citigroup and JPMorgan , General Electric’s GE Capital will also contribute $20 million to the rescue effort. All the firms have either received massive government assistance during the financial crisis or, in the case of Goldman Sachs, are facing multiple regulatory investigations into their business practices.
The bailout has been controversial. Senior Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett served on a Chicago civic organization with a director of the bank, and President Obama himself has singled out the bank for praise in lending to low-income communities.
It will be so nice to hear the next president say “Adios amigo” to Obama in two years.
To be honest I don’t see that happening. The Republicans have an empty bench. Newt is old, Jindal flopped, Jeb has a bad last name, and Sarah is, well, Sarah. Their only hope is Romney, and I don’t think he can string together conservatives and the religious wackos the way Bush did. I highly suspect that the gov manipulation of the economy is well-timed to favor Obama by fall 2012.
“the gov manipulation of the economy is well-timed to favor Obama by fall 2012″
Great! And if they start yesterday they ‘just’ might have a shot! Maybe we can make this just like the Philippines where voters are given 50 pesos to assure their loyalty?
My guess is that whomever is going to run on the Rep. ticket ( assuming you’re giving them credit to have survived that long? ) isn’t even known to us yet!
Seems to work well for Dems. Let’s see, we’ll take a complete unknown… and..
wmbz,
The only real objection I have to any of this is that it provides the perfect platform for equally mismanaged banks to whine the blues as to why ‘they’ weren’t bailed out.
Their defense is that they weren’t any more ( or less ) screwed up than the next guy, so why not?
Its clear that the bail-outs were designed for the BIg Investment Banks and Insurance Entity game players and the unregulated world of
bogus lenders with low /no reserve requirements .It makes me sick
when I think about how Hank Paulson and his Fed sidekick screamed
“Fire ” to get these bail outs that they were sitting up from day one after they made all those emergency loans to these bogus entities
with their junk paper . What to think of a body of Politicians that went along with the bail-outs that prevented “Discovery ” of just how bogus the financial systems had become . Now you get watered down reform and bogus talking points for reform simply because the financial systems weren’t exposed for what they were at the time .
I remember the PR at the time was that you had to put the fire out first before you talk about reform or investigations .See,they knew
that delaying investigations and discovery would only serve to keep the status quo and keep the corrupt systems alive ,not to mention
obstruct Justice on the financial crimes of that Industry .
President Obama himself has singled out the bank for praise in lending to low-income communities.
I wonder why it’s failing?
No, it’s not for lending in low-income communities.
It’s for lending TOO MUCH with INSUFFICIENT UNDERWRITING in low-income communities.
It was insane from day one to think that you could give loans to people who couldn’t afford those loans long term . The fact is that the Money Changer middle-men wanted ways of making easy money and what better way than to have a greater market ,even if that market was unqualified people . It wasn’t about putting borderline people into housing ,it was about the fees and refinancing you could do with those people and make even more money while you inflate real estate values because of this unqualified demand for housing .
In that the big lobbyist tell the Politicians what to do these days ,and apparently the Politicians have no critical thinking ability on their own these days ,were doomed unless it changes .
Guys,
My point was that long before this touched Paulsen’s, Obama’s ( or God while we’re at it? ) local banks were forking over major bucks to builders who’s only “asset” was their next deal?
And they were perfectly happy to -operate- below the radar and any scrutiny, that is until they got in trouble! So the fact the bank had ties to Obama are primarily circumstantial when they were ALL doing it!
Oh btw, I have a sneaking suspicion he may become one of but a handful of sitting Presidents that had to run in a Primary. Let’s not anyone get too comfy here.
+1 (quadrillion)
Leigh
U.S. drops its top ranking in world competitiveness
Triangle Business Journal
It’s a good thing Triangle universities such as Duke, UNC-Chapel Hill and North Carolina State University are forging ties with their foreign counterparts to develop curricula and international knowledge.
That’s because for the first time in decades, the United States has fallen in World Competitiveness rankings released by IMD Business School in Lausanne, Switzerland.
The U.S. was bested by Singapore, which took the top spot followed by Hong Kong. The U.S. was ranked third on the list released Wednesday.
Did the US maintain its top rating for Ponzi-schemes?
Hong Kong isn’t a country. Meh.
So you’re saying we can’t even beat individual cities?
Sweet! GO TEAM USA!
Overhead Door to close Covington plant
Business Courier of Cincinnati
Overhead Door Corp. confirmed Wednesday that it will shutter its plant in Covington at the the end of the year, eliminating about 68 jobs.
The plant on West 43rd Street, which manufactures electric garage door components, will begin layoffs in July, continuing until the plant shuts down in December.
“We made this difficult business decision to increase efficiency, eliminate redundancies, lower costs in manufacturing and freight and remain competitive in this difficult economy,” said Ken Mahlke, vice president of human resources for Overhead Door in Dallas.
The probable result (or cause) of this action will be doors from China.
The doors already came from there. This plant made the openers/remotes/sensors/etc. Now we’ll get the safety equipment from China going forward. Look forward to more crushed car hoods and kids.
Overhead Door to close Covington plant ??
Another contraction/layoff….
Overhead Door to close theirs.
Overhead Door, citing too much overhead, to close theirs.
Orlando home prices fall 12.1%
Orlando Business Journal
Orlando home prices in March were down nearly 12.1 percent from the same period a year ago, according to CoreLogic’s Home Price Index report
The good news in the May 19 report, which included distressed sales, was the slide in home prices was less in March than it was in February — from 13.01 percent in February to 12.09 percent in March — and much better than the 28.58 percent decline posted in March 2009.
Excluding distressed sales, the fall in property values was 9.8 percent in March, compared to 10.83 percent in February and 22.07 percent posted in March 2009.
The median price of all existing homes in Orlando was $115,000 in April, a 4.5 percent increase from the $110,000 recorded a month earlier, but still down 11.5 percent when compared with April 2009’s $130,000, the Orlando Regional Realtor Association reported May 12.
How happy are the knife-catchers who used the tax-credit a year ago to buy a new POS home?
Predictable but welcome news.
A side note- WTF is “distressed”?
Sales shouldn’t count if the seller actually has to sell the home at a loss for economic reasons or just decides to walk away, as opposed to seeing how much profit they can extract from an ignorant buyer. Losses in real estate are just flukes and outliers that should be disregarded as not comporting to economic norms.
Well in a NORMAL market, foreclosures and such really ARE outliers. If they’re rare enough that a prospective buyer is unlikely to find one that suits his
needsdesires, it’s reasonable to ignore them when doing assesments, because they don’t really affect the prices that a seller may be able to get. But once they’re reasonably common (I’d say something like 10%) of the market, than a buyer is likely to be able to find one, and so it should affect what he is willing to pay for a non-distressed sale. In real bubble-bust zones where distressed sales are 20-60% of the market, there is NO reason whatsoever to bother calculating figures for “non-distressed” only sales.Foreclosures do count if they end up being a high percentage of the sales and they end up setting the market price . The point is that it was a bogus market and its just cashing to what it would be if you had a excess supply of inventory that is tied to the real income levels of buyers .
While the investment market usually was only 10% of the residential real estate market in pass cycles ,it became a big share of the market and created the demand that sent the prices into the la la land . You add to that the faulty lending of refinances and you can’t separate the meltdown that was the result of faulty lending and demand from the foreclosure market . It even makes replacement cost value out of sink with the market at this point . It’s not just a matter of selling out the foreclosures and than the market will return to its former glory . The market went to fake prices that disconnected from normal market indicators of value ,usually the incomes of real end users .
I don’t know what new trick will be coming down the pike to
try to inflate this bogus market ,but the Powers were stupid to think they could re-inflate the biggest real estate fake
mania value Ponzi-scheme in history . And how can the markets be stable when you have millions of people that are moments away from walking if they aren’t bailed out . When everybody wants out ,nobody wants in .
A term for what some women have had to resort to in order to pay their mortgage these days.
The median price of all existing homes in Orlando was $115,000 in April
Still too pricey, given that most jobs in the area are low wage “hospitality” jobs. The Mouse doesn’t pay his “cast members” all that well.
I think I had better go buy a house this weekend in SE Florida before I am priced out forever.
Sunshine State leads nation in mortgage woes
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 5:05 p.m. Wednesday, May 19, 2010
One in five Florida homeowners is either seriously behind on a mortgage payment or in foreclosure as a dawdling economic recovery teases the Sunshine State.
The statistics - 14 percent in foreclosure plus nearly 7 percent who are 90 days or more late - put Florida in the top spot nationally for mortgage woe, according to a report Wednesday by the Mortgage Bankers Association.
When the tar balls and oil slicks get there, I bet there will be an opportunity to pick up some super cheap ocean front property.
You’ll need to be able to hold it for a decade at least before trying to sell, though. Probably closer to two.
Update: Central Falls in temporary receivership
CENTRAL FALLS, R.I — Central Falls says it’s broke.
City Solicitor John T. Gannon and Joseph S. Larisa Jr., the special counsel the city has hired, filed a receivership petition Wednesday morning in Superior Court.
The filing claimed that for 2009-10, the city was looking at a $3 million shortfall in its nearly $18 million budget and a projected deficit of $5 million in the 2010-11 budget.
“In light of its extreme fiscal stress, without the appointment of a receiver the city is unable … to bring its operating budget into balance or save its chief retirement plan, ” the petition says.
The compact, square-mile city has a population of about 19,000, nearly half of whom are Hispanic, according to 2000 federal census data. About a quarter of families have an income below the poverty level. Its problems date back years.
“The pension plan is nearly broke,’’ said Joseph Larisa, a lawyer who argued in court yesterday for the receivership. “It’s really reached a breaking point where the budget cannot be balanced, whoever is in charge.’’
Fire chief? Chief of police? Which chief has his own retirement plan?
Bill,
( Right on )
Don’t know where the WSJ comes up with “plateau” unless they mean new level before the next rise in foreclosures.The system is completely f’d up, gummed up, with all the gubmint intervention, it will be years before we get straighten out.
Delinquent Loans Plateau at High Level ~ WSJ
Troubled Mortgages Edged Up to 14% in Past Year, but New Cases Fell; People Stay in Homes Much Longer Before Foreclosure
The number of American households behind on mortgage payments appears to have reached a plateau at a high level as the economy recovers, a survey showed Wednesday.
At the same time, people who fall behind on their mortgages are staying in their homes longer as banks struggle with huge volumes of calls for help and with the complexities of federal and state foreclosure-prevention programs.
Diane B. Robertson of Oldsmar, Fla., said she had to stop making mortgage payments around the end of 2008 after a drop in her income. She said her lawyer advised her “to just sit tight because you may be sitting there for two years.” Seventeen months later, foreclosure proceedings are under way, but Ms. Robertson is still waiting to be evicted.
The Mortgage Bankers Association, a trade group, reported that 14% of mortgage loans on one-to-four-unit homes were 30 days or more delinquent or in the foreclosure process as of March 31. That represents about 7.3 million households. The rate was 12% a year earlier.
The portion of borrowers between 30 and 60 days overdue—mostly representing newly delinquent homeowners—declined to 3.45% as of March 31 from 3.77% a year earlier.
“Seventeen months later, foreclosure proceedings are under way, but Ms. Robertson is still waiting to be evicted.”
Right, in some cases its taking the banks “years” to foreclose rather than months. They’re just strining this correction along hoping to find a life line that’ll save them.
Meanwhile I met an investor this week and they told me that they’re buying low end homes in the Phoenix area ($50-70k) and are flipping them with minimal work for twice that.
I guess its time to get personal with some bankers and see what they have in their portfolio.
And just as in the run-up, easy flipping is a sign that prices are unsupportably high.
WTH? Where’s the “level” playing field, Barry. Mo change, you can count on…
Fuzzy Math: Tax Cut Doesn’t Add Up for Some
When the Obama administration unveiled the small business health care tax credit earlier this week, officials touted its “broad eligibility” but the details are easily lost in the fine print.
WASHINGTON(AP) — Zach Hoffman was confident his small business would qualify for a new tax cut in President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul law.
But when he ran the numbers, Hoffman discovered that his office furniture company wouldn’t get any assistance with the $79,200 it pays annually in premiums for its 24 employees. “It leaves you with this feeling of a bait-and-switch,” he said.
When the administration unveiled the small business tax credit earlier this week, officials touted its “broad eligibility” for companies with fewer than 25 workers and average annual wages under $50,000 that provide health coverage. Hoffman’s workers earn an average of $35,000 a year, which makes it all the more difficult to understand why his company didn’t qualify.
Lost in the fine print: The credit drops off sharply once a company gets above 10 workers and $25,000 average annual wages.
It’s an example of how the early provisions of the health care law can create winners and losers among groups lawmakers intended to help — people with health problems, families with young adult children and small businesses. Because of the law’s complexity, not everyone in a broadly similar situation will benefit.
The policy has the exact effect that BHO is looking for. He can talk about it but its not going to cost him any money.
“It leaves you with this feeling of a bait-and-switch,” he said.
Appears to be the modus operandi for this administration.
Of pretty much ANY administration. The parties are a facade to keep you from seeing the puppet masters.
Heavy oil hits Louisiana shore.
VENICE, Louisiana (Reuters) – The first heavy oil from a giant Gulf of Mexico spill sloshed ashore in fragile Louisiana marshlands on Wednesday and part of the mess entered a powerful current that could carry it to Florida and beyond.
The developments underscored the gravity of the situation as British energy giant BP Plc raced to capture more crude gushing from a ruptured well a mile beneath the surface. The spill is threatening an ecological and economic disaster along the U.S. Gulf Coast and beyond.
“This wasn’t tar balls. This wasn’t sheen,” Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal said after a boat tour to the southernmost point of the Mississippi River estuary. “This is heavy oil in our wetlands.”
Sounds like its totally “contained”. They got that tube in, so Mission Accomplished.
I thought they were gonna plug the hole with trash.
They were, but now the Fed decided to keep all those MBS they were going to use to jam the leak.
Damn - great analogy! You should do a WSJ piece (seriously).
Yeah, but the executives and Salazar/Napolitano didn’t want to volunteer.
Seriously, the BP, Deepwater Horizon execs et al should be made to swim in that crap every day.
Saw the video last night. Disgusting. If I were King, the executives of BP, etc. would all be cooling their heels in jail cells until the mess was cleaned up, or at least until the leaks were plugged. At the very least, the top honchos would be stripped of their positions and I’d get people in place who really know what to do.
Does Salazar look like a smacked ass or what? I mean, what’s the point of this guy? Put on some casual clothes and a hat and get on some boat and stare at the crap on the water? Boo-yah. These people don’t have a clue they’re supposed to DO anything. It’s all titles and bureaucracy.
I wish Jindal had some balls, or some ace in the hole he could used to screw BP and the Feds, like AZ could stick it to LA by cutting off the juice. Maybe he should just blockade the Delta.
Does Salazar look like a smacked ass or what?
He’s probably wishing that he had sayed Senator here in Colorado. FWIW the oil drillers out here don’t like him, they claimed he was bad for “bidness”
“like AZ could stick it to LA by cutting off the juice”
Yes, isn’t that an amazing story? LA buys 25% of their power from the state of AZ power companies!!!
Who owns Arizona’s nuclear power plant?
Southern California Edison owns 15.8 percent, Southern California Public Power Authority owns 5.91 percent, the City of Los Angeles owns 8.7 percent.
So? Where is it located? Possession is 9/10ths of the law. Cut the juice.
palmetto,
What I liked about the power commissioner’s approach was that ( We’re not seriously… contemplating turning off your power, we’re really not! ) Any more than CA is ’serious’ about boycotting us?
So can we please drop the PR/grand-standing and get back to business? I think it also highlights a willingness to take sides and jump to conclusions simply based on the public sentiment of the day. Which we need to stop too.
That whole thing got blown way out of proportion. The LA city council formally announces it plan to sever all economic ties with AZ. The AZ commissioner looks at what this might affect. He announces that if LA wants to cut off these particular contract so as not to be hypocritical that he would indeed oblige.
It is all political posturing. Will adults ever again be in charge of CA?
Doesn’t the Colorado River (a large source of water for LA) run through AZ? Couldn’t AZ threaten to divert the water away from CA?
map of Colorado river:
http://geochange.er.usgs.gov/sw/changes/natural/codrought/fig_1.gif
Isn’t all of this ridiculous?
Americans’ fighting amongst themselves over illegals.
One has to question the allegiance of some of these people.
Are not “illegals” the “slaves” of today? There was a small fight among states over slaves about 150 years ago.
Not to totally hijack this thread but…The Civil War was about States Rights vs Fed power. Slaves were a sub-note. Only through political correctness has it become the focal point.
Your point is true on a certain level though.
Every drop of water in the Colorado River is allocated per treaties. Not a single drop makes it to the ocean.
“…Slaves were a sub-note. Only through political correctness has it become the focal point.”
A “TrueRepublican™” used “social injustice” to defeat the South…beautiful!
Needs to be repeated in the current era…
Not to totally hijack this thread but…The Civil War was about States Rights vs Fed power. Slaves were a sub-note.
Disagree mostly. I think it was about states’ rights vs. fed power, but slavery was not a sub-note - it was the primary medium for the struggle, and provided the impetus. To state that slavery was a subnote implies that the civil war would have happened regardless of whether slavery existed or not. I don’t believe that is true.
The southern states wanted to keep their autonomy largely because of their desire to keep slaves.
If it was only about states rights, then there wouldn’t have been such a huge fight over whether or not to allow slaves in states that were not yet states - e.g. the Kansas-Nebraska act. It was disagreements like this, and the Dred Scott decision, that were the core of the conflict before the war. Yes there were economic, Federalist, etc. disagreements as well, but these were secondary to the primary disagreement of slavery.
Most if not all of LA’s water comes from northen CA through the Aquaduct system. Stolen in the 30’s from the Owens valley. I’m always awed when I look at those huge pipes crossing the Tahachape Mountains and think that 13 million people rely on them for all of their fresh water.
palmetto,
I don’t know, like everyone else I’m not happy about it, but I’ve worked around petroleum products. It’s not easy, there’s a million ways to screw up and only (1) way to get it right.
We take it as such a given. When I was in the service we had a landslide by the Fuel Farm and it was an ecological disaster! Not on the Gulf’s scale, but a genuine mess. Diesel and jet-fuel pipes were leaking ( but under several yards of mud! )
It was the Rainy Season and that made working it almost impossible. We couldn’t just come in w/ earth movers ( although we had plenty of them ) as striking metal to metal in oil soaked mud could have sparked a flame. Sticky situation to say the least. Given the volumes involved, there’s seldom a ’small’ problem. Took us months.
“…like AZ could stick it to LA by cutting off the juice”
You guys are killing me…where does AZ gets it’s juice?
A FEDERAL RIVER,…with FEDERAL Dams,…now of the 50 states in the US of A…which state makes the most FEDERAL revenue DEPOSITS?
(Hint: it isn’t AZ)
Somehow, I don’t think Mr. “my-hand-is-on-the light-switch” really has any authority to dictate to CA by himself. But really, I’m just guessin’…
This is America. We can do anything we want.
This is a table of the total Federal tax revenue by state collected by the U.S. Internal Revenue Service in 2007.
Gross collections indicates the total Federal tax revenue collected by the IRS from each U.S. state, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico. The figure includes all individual and corporate income taxes, estate taxes, gift taxes, and excise taxes. This table does not include Federal tax revenue data from U.S. Armed Forces personnel stationed overseas, U.S. territories other than Puerto Rico, and U.S. citizens and legal residents living abroad, even though they may be required to pay Federal taxes.
Revenue:
Rank State Gross collections (2007) Population(2007) per capita
1 California $313,998,874,000 36,553,215 $8,590.18
2 New York $244,672,914,000 19,297,729 $12,678.84
3 Texas $225,390,904,000 23,904,380 $9,428.85
4 Florida $136,476,423,000 18,251,243 $7,477.65
5 Illinois $135,458,089,000 12,852,54 $10,539.40
6 New Jersey $121,678,423,000 8,685,920 $14,008.70
7 Pennsylvania $112,368,286,000 12,432,792 $9,038.06
8 Ohio $105,772,774,000 11,466,917 $9,224.17
9 Minnesota $78,697,313,000 5,197,621 $15,141.03 10 North Carolina $75,903,684,000 9,061,032 $8,376.94
Hwy50,
I thought you were above all those “Might makes Right” arguments? So based on tax revenue OR at what.., 38th. should be stripped of it’s water?
We could just funnel all the water into (1) central destination and make a big water park! Not too sure where you’re going w/ that one.
DinOR
Geez, don’t read too much into it…but, if you think that x1 “Mr. MY-hand-is-on-the light-switch” state commissioner can flex his finger and shut the juice to Los Angeles, CA, alls eyes gots to say is: “I dare, I double-Dog dare ya…well punk, do ya feel lucky?…well do ya?”
Arizona has its own Mountains with snowpack. Phoenix gets the majortiy of its water form the Salt River Project and wells.
BWWAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAHHHAAAA! You are kidding, right? That guy, along with all politicians in this country, is in bed with all the oil companies. I don’t know why everyone is all up in Landrieu’s grill about giving back BP contributions. It could have been/has been/will be any one of the oil rigs that sprung a leak. And all politicians accept contributions from anyone, so why doesn’t everyone give all their money back. What a joke.
Filed under: “We don’t need no stinkin’ Gov’t Regulations…Gov’t gets in the way of Financial Innovation & Efficiencies…We must let Corporations self-regulate, they know best… just like Father” …or… “I live in Dallas, and I’m proud to be a Texas Oilman & Former Baseball owner!” George W Shrub
Gulf oil spill: Palin still wants to ‘drill here, drill now’
May 3, 2010 LA Times
Sarah “The Barracuda”:
“Government can and must play an appropriate role here,” she adds. “If a company was lax in its prevention practices, it must be held accountable. It is inexcusable for any oil company to not invest in preventative measures. They must be held accountable or the public will forever distrust the industry….”
“I repeat the slogan ‘drill here, drill now’ not out of naivete or disregard for the tragic consequences of oil spills…. I continue to believe in it because increased domestic oil production will make us a more secure, prosperous, and peaceful nation.”
Hwy50,
You left out the part about his having been in the Air National Guard during Nam. Must be slipping. You know, there’s absolutely no purpose to providing a header “re-cap” to preface your every post ( whatever the topic? )
Look, extracting oil is and always has been messy business ( see my post above ) You are more than welcome to move off the grid, but then however… would you post. C’mon.
‘Look, extracting oil is and always has been messy business’
You should review the GOP enthusiasm on youtube at their last convention for their mantra: “Drill Baby! Drill!”
All smiles & chants…now because of a foreign oil CORPORATION…here’s the NEW reality:
Drill here, drill over there, …but you’re never going to be able to drill here baby.
Oh, and that Gov’t light in your glassed over oily eyes… it’s called a “regulation” spotlight, runs 24/7 now…best get used to it.
The real answer, to me at least, is to maximize domestic production while funding a Manhattan style project to create alternative sources of energy.
This is, in its most condensed form, a national security issue.
Unfortunately our politicians for hire continue to be mesmerized by Big Oil $.
Everyday we enrich those that would slit our throats given the chance. Don’t kid yourselves.
Testify, SV!
Let the market decide. No Manhattan project for anything. We have over $50 trillion in unfunded liabilities.
…or the Government could just spend all their money on paving roads that don’t need to be paved. That is all that is happening around here. In the last depression they built the Hoover Dam and $hit that is still of value to us today. We tear up roads and repave ‘em. I guess we are getting the change we need?
Let the market decide. No Manhattan project for anything.
The problem with the market is that it doesn’t look into the future. It will only react once gas is $10/gallon.
Bill,
I am pro-free market. I’m not sure that’s what we presently have now. In cases of National Security, as I believe this to be, I would have to amend my beliefs temporarily. As for the unfunded liabilities, the dollar will be toast. IF we pay them it will be with monopoly money imo.
This is more about not enabling our enemies.
There’s been massive government spending on fusion research for over 4 decades now with little practical results to show for it. When I started a physics PhD program at UCSD in 1975, I wanted to work in plasma physics thinking that the great breakthroughs would take place during my early career. That did’t pan out for many reasons…..fusion would truly be a silver-bullet solution to all our energy problems but so far it hasn’t worked out even with almost-Manhattan-project levels of funding and emphasis by physics departments worldwide.
Dennis,
If you want to see cold fusion in person come over to my home and follow my dogs.
I feed them one bowl of food. I pick up two bowls worth of doggie doo.
If we could only harness this untapped source of power the world would be a better place.
It’s a lot easier to drill and it’s a heck of a lot easier to cap wells in 300 feet of water than in 5,000 feet (according my Dad the retired exploration geologist).
So yeah, drill baby drill and the closer to shore the better.
I recently received, from The Economist magazine, a yearly “Pocket World In Figures 2010 Edition”. Absolutely fascinating, if you don’t have a subscription, there’s gotta be some way to get this pocket guide.
Anyway, I always thought the nasty countries were the primary producers of oil. Well, I just looked - the US is already the number 3 producer of oil in the world. The rankings:
1) Saudi Arabia
2) Russia
3) United States
4) Iran
5) China
6) Canada
7) Mexico
United Arab Emirates
9) Kuwait
10) Venezuela
And for energy producers overall:
1) China
2) US
3) Russia
4) Saudi
5) Euro area
6) India
7) Canada
Iran
9) Indonesia
10) Australia
Seems a bit more distributed than I thought.
Also, a truly fascinating compendium. 256 pages.
Oh yeah - there’s that oily Black Swan again…!
SDG
“The chief executive of BP has told Sky News he believes the massive Gulf of Mexico oil spill will end up having only a “very, very modest” environmental impact.”
Um, yeah. Like the collapse of the housing bubble will have only a very, very modest impact on the economy.
soft landing
Here is a MSM article on “Why the Greek crisis could be good for America”. I figured the guy would say something like Americans need a wakeup call like this to get spending under control or that we should start reeling in credit as a source of growth. The article doesn’t say that AT ALL! Read what it says, there is no hope for this country.
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/109585/3-ways-the-greek-debt-crisis-might-be-good-for-the-us
Wow.
Kind of like how Katrina was good for New Orleans in some ways, not because of lessons learned in dike-building and hubris, but because hey - free TV’s!!!!
Not to mention free swimming lessons.
An ABC news radio report this AM…By mid year 2010 more than 2.1 million gubmint employees will be ‘earning’ in excess of $120,000.00 per year.
It did not say if that was state and federal combined.
Add benefits, job security and lowered expectations it is clear they are making much more than their private practice counterparts. The sick part is that Obama was to expand government while at the same crippling the ability of private enterprise to make money and expand. He has no financial training, and is of the mindset that money is just something you get by the government printing money and handing it out, or by extortion and dirty politics. It is very important that Democrats unite and demand he step down in the next election and we put up someone who isn’t hell bent on destroying this Country.
“It is very important that Democrats unite and demand he step down in the next election and we put up someone who isn’t hell bent on destroying this Country.”
Wouldn’t it be great if all the big-wig Democrats, including Pelosi and exeter, just said, “Wow this Obama dude was bad right out of the box. Let’s all just impeach him now!” What a wonderful world it would be…
It’s copy like this that has driven the NY Times to the edge of bankruptcy and propelled the HBB to the pinnacle of the blogosphere.
Wouldn’t it be great if all the big-wig Democrats, including Pelosi and exeter, just said, “Wow this Obama dude was bad right out of the box.
Can’t we say that about Pelosi as well? What were the promises made by congressional Democrats at the time of the 2006 elections? Have any come to fruition??
“including Pelosi and exeter,”
Regardless of your politics, that is just funny!
Yeah, politics aside, that was a good chuckle - nice smooth delivery.
Bravo.
And on a more serious note, how foolish is one to presume I vote ______ party just because I call out the ___ party for their pandering on behalf of the bank, insurance and real estate crime syndcate.
No worries exeter, if you don’t “look” like ‘em…you’ll be a “suspect” anywho…
I recognized he was trash well before the election. Sometimes you have to admit your mistakes and move on.
Natalie,
Firstly, I’m not certain had McCain been elected things would be radically different right now. You bring up some interesting points though. We love nothing more than to get worked up in a lather over Wall Street around here but refuse to lift a finger when it comes to out of control pub. employee compensation.
Something btw we could actually DO something about. We’ll get a good 30 or 40 “PPT” comments today, several dozen ref’s to EvilMegaBank and the first person to imply we ‘can’ get a handle on our fiscal runaway by reigning in expectations of pub. employees will get slammed.
Firstly, I’m not certain had McCain been elected things would be radically different right now.
I beg to differ. We would have been in few new wars already.
basura,
Yeah ( had there been any money in the kitty for that? ) At the same time I’m not sure JM would have meant broadened conflict was a given either, but Team O was very effective at leaving voters w/ that implied impression.
No what I was referring to isn’t even political. Simply, thrift starts at home. Everyone here is resigned to a lengthy recovery ( if we get one at all ) so if we’re going to get our house in order, it’s never too soon to start!
I’ll take the first one for the team. Guardsmen do a great job and we should all be proud of the sacrifices they’ve continued to make. But I get almost $400 a weekend ( when the truth is, I’d do it for $200! ) My “retirement” from the Reserves mind you will be greater than a lot of guys that served ALL 20+ years on active duty just a few short years ago! In no time, there will be Enlisted guys who’s ret. checks will eclipse that of Officers that again, retired just a few years prior!
We need to get an absolute handle on that. See, it’s easy. Had I remained in and did my time consecutively, I wouldn’t have gotten a dime over $400 a month in ret. On the current trajectory, it will be closer to $1,700 a month.
“Had I remained in and did my time consecutively, I wouldn’t have gotten a dime over $400 a month in ret. On the current trajectory, it will be closer to $1,700 a month.”
DinOR, what is the reason behind this remarkably-large delta? I don’t get it… Did the retirement rules change dramatically?
Prime is Contained,
Yes Sir they did! My good friend and I joined at Chicago MEPS Station the same day. It’s actually how we first met. Well, he stayed in and other than 3 years in the Reserves in the late 70’s and 3 months of “broken service” he retired an E-6 w/ 22 years of Active Duty w/ a whopping total of like $890 a month!
The big difference? ( His ret. date was set just prior to 9/11! ) When I was in the reserves the first time in the late 80’s/early 90’s an E-5 ( middle sort of pay-grade ) we were getting about $125 for a weekend drill. Hell, now that very same person w/ identical years of service is getting almost $400 bucks!
But it’s not so much that the ret. ‘rules’ changed all that dramatically, if anything, if you just missed the cut-off in Sept. 80, it’s not quite as generous, it’s a calculation based on “Your High 3″ ( last 3 yrs. ) It’s the freakin’ PAY! For active duty it’s roughly TRIPLE what we were making back in the 80’s! Show me another career field that can say that? And don’t say Dot.Com owner!
Geez, you’re making me think I should go back into the guard. I had three years active and five good guard years before I bailed. But that would require me to pretend to be motivated again, and that part of my brain broke a long time ago.
I’m still confused as to why anybody ran for this last election. Anyone with half a brain could see the trainwreck this administration would have to deal with.
On to pub. employee compensation. I agree it’s out of control, but be careful around whom you bash it. I’ve had some people start foaming at the mouth.
“I’m not certain had McCain been elected things would be radically different right now.” I dont disagree. It was more of a call for competency rather than support for McCain. Why do we have to settle for one of two losers.
Good luck finding a Democrat or Republican that is not hellbent on destroying this country. Isn’t that their job, by definition? The only hope for this country is for normal people like us to step up to the plate and take it back from career politicians whose sole purpose in life is to rape and rob it of all its natural resources and abuse the capital entrusted to them by idiots like us that keep voting them into office. Next election, ask for a special ballot and do write ins. That’s the only civil solution.
Politicians wish to draw money and power to themselves. They have become exceedingly good at it. Our government is mostly incumbent. The president can only serve two terms in order to prevent an imperial presidency. An imperial congress is just as dangerous. Imagine the “regulatory capture” of a senator or congressman who’s been in office for decades. One of the most important political reforms we could have is term limits.
My eyes were opened when the Republicans lied about it in the Contract With America.
Yes. The biggest failure of Contract With America was the failure to follow through on real Congressional term limits. I believe that failure significantly reduces the likelihood of a similar level of success for the Republicans this year.
“By mid year 2010 more than 2.1 million gubmint employees will be ‘earning’ in excess of $120,000.00 per year.”
Not for long, if England is to be any example.
We are Greece.
What about Gubmint pensioners ?? I bet the ranch you have more than 2.1 mil making over 120K…Hell I know half dozen myself…
When I was a dumb kid 30 years ago I turned up my nose when federal recruiters came to our college jobs fairs.
Stupid, stupid, stupid!
I saw some talking head from the Obama administration on Cavuto about a month ago saying there are the same number of “gubmint” employed workers now as there were in 1969. Cavuto couldn`t believe it. But what he didn`t figue out was there were about 3 million active personnel in the armed services in 1969 and about 1.5 million now.
“An ABC news radio report this AM…By mid year 2010 more than 2.1 million gubmint employees will be ‘earning’ in excess of $120,000.00 per year.”
You sure they weren’t talking about Greece?
Ah, but what will $120,000 be worth?
The government is set up for inflation, because of its debts and the retirement deals that public employees get. We’re dead without it.
Here in NY, they handed out a pension enhancement that guarantees a 1 percent increase in pensions every year, minimum, for the cost of living. What if the wages of the people paying for those pensions are falling, bringing down the cost of living for the pensioners?
is set up for inflation ??
Set up maybe but we are experiencing deflation right now…So, the fixed income pensioners, particularly the gubmint six figure crowd are living quite LARGE….
Retired firefighter buddy who lives behind me just built a 2nd home in Hawaii…1.2 mil…He’s 56 and been retired for three years…
Those poor conservative retirees who rely on investment income for month to month bills are feeling the pain with ZIRP.
Two words that make retirees fill their shorts:
Means Testing.
“Those poor conservative retirees who rely on ( THEIR ) investment income”
There, fixed. Can you say glaring omission? Oh of course, we’ll work off the ever present assumption they were ill-gotten gains…
Anyway, Retiree and Conservative should never be used in the same sentence. Everyone I’ve ever known that was a total hard liner in the work force trades the gold watch for a tie-dyed tee shirt the following day. Sorry, just the way it is.
We should be mainly clear that it is state government employees (particularly California) that make so much money/bennies.
I am a scientist for the federal government, have been for 12 years, and actually do quite a bit of work–as do my peers. I’m a GS-13, and make about $95,000/year. I pay $500 per month for my family’s health insurance. My pension is 1% of my high-3 for every year served (so, if I work for 30 years, I get 30% of my high-3). Better than most private companies for sure, but hardly the waste that California’s firefighters and cops enjoy. Liberals keep giving them more benefits, and both unions hire the best marketing firms everytime a bond measure comes up to warn the sheeple that if they don’t get money, their safety will be at risk.
I know plenty of Cal-Fire batallion chiefs making $130-$175K+ per year, pay little for (really good) health insurance, and retire after 20 years with a 90% pension. Same goes for deputies at CHP/county sheriff.
and I’m a state employee in MD, and our pay scales don’t even go above $84K a year … and as a professional with 8 years experience, I don’t even come close to that top level …
depends on the state …
There’s a reason why Clownifornia is broke, broke, broke.
Let’s hope the Prison Unions are slow learners…
+1 +1 Anthony….Spot On…
The full article contains another refi sob story from some 61 year old named Dan Felipe. Comments from PB Post.
Mortgage delinquencies drag on economic recovery
By ALAN ZIBEL The Associated Press
Updated: 6:55 a.m. Thursday, May 20, 2010
Posted: 10:18 a.m. Wednesday, May 19, 2010
WASHINGTON — The mortgage crisis is dragging on the economic recovery as more homeowners fall behind on their payments.
Analysts expect improvement soon, but the number of homeowners in default or at risk of foreclosure will have a lingering effect on the broader economy.
Around 4.3 million homeowners, or about 8 percent of all Americans with a mortgage, are at risk of losing their homes, the trade group’s top economist estimates. They have either missed at least three months of payments or are in foreclosure.
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The Palm Beach County real estate market has turned the corner. Sales are up huge and the buyers are making deals. It is not all doom and gloom. How many people are walking away from their homes for no reason. This really scues the numbers. One more year and PBC real estate market will be on the way back up!!!!!
Pat
12:35 PM, 5/19/2010 Dream on! The delinquencies are going to keep adding up. People are walking away from their mortgages because it doesn’t make sense to keep paying for a property that is not worth half of what you paid for it. I was lucky to buy my house 10 years ago, but my neighbor who is a doctor and his wife a nurse, bought his house at the top of the market for $600,000 and that house is worth $250,000 now. He told me he is walking away from the mortgage and I don’t blame him.
David L.
1:32 PM, 5/19/2010 I thought obama was going to save us all? I guess not
I thought
4:45 PM, 5/19/2010 David L - then your doctor neighbour is a scumbag. He negotiated a price for a house and a bank loaned him the money to buy it. Man up and pay your debts you piece of garbage. It’s not Best Buy were you can get a refund if the product goes on sale after you purchase something. What if the market was hot and his house is now worth $800,000 would he give the bank the $200,000 because it’s their money he used to buy it? People make me nauseous.
People are pathetic
4:58 PM, 5/19/2010 Get real, Pat. I love when realtors immediately have to give people false hope. If I was David’s neighbor, I would walk, too.
JOhnW
jeff,
Cool, at least people are talking about it. In reading some of the comments I had an idea. How about this, structuring our mortgages so that at retirement, you’re guaranteed to get no -less- than what you originally agreed to pay on principle?
Like when 30 yr. bond matures at Par. Would even that stem the tide of strategic defaults?
“We need to recognize that the main problem with subsidies is that they make people dependent; and when you make people dependent they lose their innovation and their creativity and become even more dependent..”
~Maurice P. McTigue
Jobless claims rise 25,000 last week to 471,000- AP
The number of people filing new claims for unemployment benefits unexpectedly rose last week by the largest amount in three months. The big surge was a setback to hopes that layoffs were declining.
Why let facts get in the way of a propaganda and market-manipulation driven recovery? There has never been a better time to buy ANYTHING.
Jobless claims rise 25,000 last week to 471,000- AP
so we’re still shedding > 450k new jobs each week?
Awesome.
Not really the same actually. The number of jobs can go up actually while the level of new jobless claims remains above 0. Even in the best of times new claims are around 300k.
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I believe these weekly estimates are for the entire month.
Unexpectedly is always so, so, well, unexpected.
Time check: May 20, 2010.
Here’s a reminder to not forget the prognostications of Romer and TTT on jobs during the spring of 2010. Don’t let ‘em off the hook!
Futures headed down fairly heavy this AM. Gonna need the PPT to do it’s thing. Gotta stay above 10,000 so everyone will ‘feel’ good about the market place.
PPT will not disappoint. TTT got the job for a reason.
Attention all passengers…Please fasten seat belts…Anticipated turbulence today…
If we’re lucky we’ll get below 10k for the close. That’d make me smile.
How can you be so mean-spirited. Don’t you know that millions of Americans depend on 401-k’s for their retirements. Therefore the government must make sure that stocks only ever go up.
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Absolutely! Why have a government at all,
if they can’t control the economy??
We all depend on it, like for beer and cigarets and stuff
Oh
Gas too
OMG! So close! 10,060ish at the close!
I love how the headlines on CNN were “Fear Takes Over” instead of “Sensible Price to Earnings Ratios Take Over” or “Slowly Sanity Returns to the Market”
Cray-zay!
Ten year note yield is pushing downward. That makes higher yielding stocks such as Utilities better deals, so I would expect some rebound.
And the Aussie dollar is getting hammered once again. Down to .82 USD. I have a trip planned there next week, so that will be good. Palladium down to $410, a nearly 30% drop in 5 trading days, and will probably lose another $40/oz tomorrow. Am looking forward to buying more at $200/oz (which, at this rate, will be next week). All this looks like Lehman Bros redux. How can anybody possibly think the Fed will increase interest rates before 2013? Or 2020? Just like Japan, we will attempt to debase the currency but the obligations/debts are just too big.
Every looming budget crisis is eventually a political test — a test of political foresight and discipline, or a test of crisis management. And America is not exempt.
In 2009, the federal government spent $1.67 for every $1 it collected in taxes. The Obama administration’s budget proposals would dramatically increase publicly held debt as a percentage of the economy over the next decade, eventually slowing economic growth, fueling inflation and making America more dependent on the kindness of creditors.
How has our political system responded? Congress recently found $60 billion in savings in the federal student-loan program — and promptly spent most of it on other education projects. President Obama’s health-care reform cut more than $350 billion from Medicare spending — and soaked up all of it and more into new health entitlements.
~ Michael Gerson ~ Washington Post
Man, you are on a roll this morning with the data mining wmbz…How many scoops did you put in the espresso machine this morning
I did load the pot with more high test than usual! Already trimmed the hedges mowed the lawn, and have a load of clothes in the wash, while cleaning the shower.
Leaving any ‘new’ entitlements out of it for the moment, just how much of this contagion would we have seen had there never BEEN a Housing Boom?
I keep asking and no one seems to know either? Are these two events even related any more? At what point do you just up and admit that our financial state as a nation was so tenuous the slightest ripple could have set this off?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all about blaming the REIC ( that’s not gonna’ change ) but we can’t blame them ‘everything’ can we?
Well known tax cheat TTT sez…
Geithner rejects GOP warnings of Greek-like debt crisis in U.S.
The Greek debt crisis is “not going to happen” in the U.S., Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said Wednesday.
Geithner rejected comparisons, advanced in large part by Republicans in Congress, between the fiscal situation in the U.S. and the debt crisis in Greece that has roiled the European Union, sent Greece to the brink of default and weakened the euro.
“It’s not going to happen in the United States,” Geithner said during an appearance on CNBC.
The Treasury secretary said a better-than-expected economy would help strengthen government accounts and stave off any parallels to Greece.
“I think the important thing is you’re seeing the United States in a much stronger recovery than people expected even three months ago,” he said.
“I think the important thing is
you’re seeing the United States in a much stronger recovery than people expected even three months agothe United States can print its own money,” he said.Whew. That was close. Apparently it’s “contained”.
Mission Accomplished!
One of the worlds top financial annalists sez…
Cramer: Europe to Collapse in 48 Hours – or Never
“If we don’t see total capitulation in Europe over the next two days, Cramer said during Wednesday’s Stop Trading!, investors may have to admit that the Continent is “merely” suffering a downturn. Because the repercussions from the expectations of a collapse, which have fed the negativity in the American markets and driven down stocks, can’t continue for much longer without it actually happening”.
When are we going to get this idiot off the air?
When the last 10 people watching that network go to Fox
Bought some pasta at the store yesterday - only $0.99/box. The boxes sure did seem small, though. Turns out, yet another item where the unit of measure has shrunk. I believe boxes used to be 1lb of pasta. Now they’re only 12oz.
Does the average person not notice this?
Really?
OK now they’ve gone too far. You don’t mess with my pasta!
Package-to-Price guys. Happens all the time. Fewer sheets in a roll of paper towels etc. The only time J6P would notice is if the breweries tried that?
They’re already doing it with Coke. You know how Coke came out with the short and stubby can that are 8 oz? In the store I saw some new 8-packs that were the same proportions as the 12 oz can, just smaller. I thought “Oh, they just changed the 8 oz cans to look better.”
Turns out they were 7.5 oz.
Even teabags are wavering from 20 to 18 and now 16 bags per box, especially the new-age therapeutic stuff.
WASHINGTON (AP) — It’s a good time to buy a car, refinance a mortgage, hit the road or shop for clothes.
Invest in a saving account? Forget it.
Consumer inflation has all but disappeared, the government reported Wednesday. The Federal Reserve may now be emboldened to keep interest rates at record lows well into next year — and possibly into 2012.
So what do persistent low inflation and record-low rates mean for consumers?
– The time is right to buy a car. New-car prices were flat in April. And they’ve fallen 1 percent over the past 12 months. Big banks are offering super-low rates in the 3 percent to 4 percent range, says Greg McBride, senior financial analyst at Bankrate.com. Normally, such rates are available only to companies, not individuals, McBride says.
– For homeowners who qualify, it’s a good time to refinance. That’s especially true for those who want the security of a long-term fixed-rate loan. Rates on 30-year mortgages dipped last week to 4.93 percent, the lowest level of the year. Homeowners who took out adjustable-rate mortgages at 4.5 percent in 2005 are now seeing their rates fall to 3 percent to 3.25 percent, McBride says. As a result, they have extra cash to spend.
– People planning to drive to a vacation getaway won’t pay as much. Gasoline prices fell sharply in April — 2.4 percent. Analysts expect further declines this summer because crude oil prices have fallen nearly 20 percent since April.
– Shoppers who want to update their summer wardrobes, and those hankering for cakes and cookies, are in luck. Prices for clothing and baked goods dropped in April and are down sharply over the past year.
Yet for savers, the prospect of persistent record-low rates is a downer. It means no relief from puny returns any time soon. The average yield on a one-year certificate of deposit has sunk to 0.7 percent, according to Bankrate.com. That’s the lowest since Bankrate starting tracking the figure in 1983. Rates hovered as high as 5.5 percent around 2000, according to Bankrate.
The good news = The cost of ALPO declined
The bad news = With current rates of return on safe investments the average retiree may be eating ALPO while Fido goes hungry.
So what do persistent low inflation and record-low rates mean for consumers?
What are they talking about? Record low rates? Everyone I talk to tells me that their CC’s have had their rates jacked up substantially.
Maybe you can get a good interest rate on a car loan, but in this economic climate who really wants to buy a $40,000 Truck or SUV? Even at 0% interest its about $800 oer month.
The bad news = With current rates of return on safe investments the average retiree may be eating ALPO while Fido goes hungry.
Or the “retiree” doesn’t retire or moves in with the kids. Oops! I forgot, the kids are unemployed, nevermind.
Everyone I talk to tells me that their CC’s have had their rates jacked up substantially.
Paying any CC interest at all is FAILURE.
Just wait til the “new-improved 1oz box” comes out.
UPDATE 1-Barcalounger files bankruptcy
NEW YORK, May 19 (Reuters) - Barcalounger Corp, which began making reclining chairs in World War II, has filed for bankruptcy protection and agreed to sell its assets, citing a sales downturn that left it unable to survive.
In a filing in the Wilmington, Delaware, bankruptcy court, Chief Restructuring Officer John Chapman said Barcalounger cannot generate enough profit to continue as a going concern because of “the dire turn in national furniture sales due, in large part, to the global economic downturn.”
According to the Chapter 11 filing, Barcalounger has between $1 million and $10 million of assets, and between $10 million and $50 million of liabilities. One affiliate also filed for protection from creditors.
But…bu.. who will make the deck chairs we’re supposed to be re-arranging?
We can get ‘em from China.
on a related note…the only real employer in my home town.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37094337/ns/business-us_business
fred carl has always been one cocky SOB…i would love to tell him that he is not the first person that had that same noble conviction with respect to his position on domestic competitiveness.
According to the Chapter 11 filing, Barcalounger has between $1 million and $10 million of assets, and between $10 million and $50 million of liabilities.
They’re that small? Sheesh, their trademark must be worth more than that.
Just keep screwing with small businesses, they have so little to do with our nations work force and economy…A-Holes
Small businesses’ credit card rates now 13.7% higher ~USA TODAY
New evidence that banks have sharply increased rates for small-business credit cards has rekindled calls for Congress to intervene.
Over the past six months, American Express, Bank of America, Capital One, Citi and Wells Fargo have raised interest rates for new small-business credit cards offered on the Internet roughly six times faster than rate increases on consumer credit card offers, according to BillShrink.com, a consumer help site that tracks credit card offers.
On average, interest rates for small-business cards were 13.7% higher in April than last October, while rates for consumer cards, on average, were just 2.4% higher.
That gap has stirred banking-reform advocates who failed last year to persuade Congress to include protections for small businesses in a new credit card law that restricts rate changes and other bank practices on existing consumer accounts. It took effect in February.
Looks like the stock market is getting stronger (falling closer to fair value) again.
There appears to be an acceleration in the non-positively sloped advance.
Winston
Chart of the day - central bank liquidity swaps (i.e. QE between countries’ central banks).
Note the recent uptick back above 0, due to our IMF commitments for Greece. It’ll be interesting to see how high this hump goes.
The data comes out weekly, though I track it monthly, so the May value isn’t as high yet as it’ll probably end up.
packman, great chart. It makes the current increase a barely-detectable blip.
Is the scale correct, though??? Were there really upwards of $500 Trillion in liquidity swaps between the Fed and other central banks at the peak of the crisis??
Doh. I see that I totally mis-read it. It was $500B+, which is totally believable. I’m still surprised how low it is now, actually.
To be honest I don’t really know the ins and outs of how all that works. I believe it’s in essence just like the Fed buying U.S. treasuries, of which we did $300B worth (officially). Except instead of buying U.S. ones, this reflects how many treasuries of *other* countries we bought. In that case $500B is pretty darn big, given that it’s much more than we did within the U.S.
Though actually what I think it more is is simply the Fed creating cash and loaning it to other banks, just so they’ll have cash on hand, for liquidity purposes.
link
Given that total bank reserves in the U.S. are currently $1.2 Trillion, and cash on hand (”surplus vault cash”) is only about $12 Billion, $500B in liquidity actually quite a large number.
DGP
is the double long gold.
i’m no gold bug but this thing will rocket after the next “rescue” package!!!
Anytime there is leverage in a product (double long), I believe there is a variance component to the price such that if there is a stable period, the price falls anyway.
Agency considers new rules for speed traders
CFTC chairman says agency is considering new rules for high-speed traders after May 6 plunge ~ May 20, 2010
WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal regulator says his agency is considering new rules governing where high-frequency traders can locate computers in response to the May 6 stock market plunge.
Gary Gensler, chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, says in testimony for a Senate hearing that the agency is evaluating the location of the high-speed computers. Traders often position their computers close to the big exchanges’ data centers, a practice called co-location, which can cut their trade times by milliseconds.
Gensler and Mary Schapiro, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, were appearing at the Senate hearing two weeks after the Dow Jones industrials dropped nearly 1,000 points in less than 30 minutes.
Yes, traders should write out their orders with a quill pen, and send them around the trading floor using messengers.
IMO computer trading is one area that should be subject to strict regulation, because it’s so easily a medium for fraud. Front-running should be illegal, for one thing - I would consider that fraudulent, in that it’s claiming to buy a stock for a client at the “market” price, but in reality is changing the market before the client’s order goes through.
There is a good precedent actually, in the Nevada Gaming Commission. They go over the source code and the implementation of slot-machine software with a microscope, to ensure there’s no fraud there. My one-time boss used to work in that biz, and had to deal with that.
packman,
Ex…cellent suggestion! You know those guys ain’t gettin’ duped on a daily basis. Well, not and stay in business? Since the two have so much in common ‘any’ way.
Hrmm.. maybe I’ll start a company selling underpowered routers to slow down trades. Looks like the government is going to mandate inefficiency.
It’s not about efficiency at all - it’s about being first in line.
Ah, I must have misread the “where they can locate computers” phrase. Muchos gracias.
Actually, now that I’ve read the article, I didn’t misread the phrase. From the full text:
Gary Gensler, chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, says in testimony for a Senate hearing that the agency is evaluating the location of the high-speed computers. Traders often position their computers close to the big exchanges’ data centers, a practice called co-location, which can cut their trade times by milliseconds.
What I’m saying is that the purpose of cutting their trading times by millions isn’t for the purpose of efficiency - at least in terms of providing a better product to their customer faster, or in terms of cutting their operational costs. It’s for the purpose of reacting faster than everyone else to minuscule changes, in order to make their own money on trading; including the ability, after they receive a big order from a client, to sneak their own trades in milliseconds before they put in their client’s trade.
It’s for the purpose of reacting faster than everyone else to minuscule changes, in order to make their own money on trading; including the ability, after they receive a big order from a client, to sneak their own trades in milliseconds before they put in their client’s trade.
Well, yes. Which is why my new “ever-slow” routers would be a big hit.
Minn. nurses strike at 14 hospitals
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Thousands of nurses at 14 Twin Cities hospitals voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to reject contract proposals and authorize a strike as early as next month in a dispute over pension benefits and staffing levels.
Minnesota Nursing Association spokesman John Nemo said more than 90 percent of the 9,000 nurses voting Wednesday backed a walkout, which the union says would be the largest nurses’ strike in U.S. history.
The union said it would limit a strike to one day. Nemo said the date hasn’t been picked, but it won’t be until after the current contract expires on May 31.
“It’s going to have the maximum impact on the employer, but cause the minimum amount of pain to the patients,” Nemo said.
“It’s going to have the maximum impact on the employer, but cause the minimum amount of pain to the patients,” Nemo said.
Tell that to the families of the patients who die the day of the strike.
““It’s going to have the maximum impact on the employer, but cause the minimum amount of pain to the patients,” Nemo said.”
Be very careful, in one day they may find out they need far fewer nurses to do the job. I remember an incident while working at Loma Linda Hospital. They lost a patient for five days (i.e. they didn’t treat him or check on him) and when they rediscovered him, he was fine. The doctor with whom I worked said that just re-enforced his belief that all most hospitalize patients needed was carefree bed rest.
salinasron,
That is so funny! Yeah, and less of that hospital food.
My wife had a procedure ( thyroid removed ) and no -sooner- did she get to sleep than some nurse was coming around to check her pulse/bp for the umpteenth time!
She was exhausted and while I was in the chair I would implore the nurses to just let her get some rest but no…. Policies you know.
If the surgeon inadvertantly damages the parathyroid glands during thyroidectomy, serum calcium levels could decrease to dangerous levels, causing life-threatening hypotension or cardiac failure. Have to check pulse, blood pressure, and check calcium levels in the immediate postop period. You can’t die from losing a night of sleep.
REhobbyist / “House MD episode 68″
Filed under: “Lost-in-translation”…or…”There are some things you just don’t need to know”
PPT had best get on the stick…It’s only 10:30 EST.
Yeah and we just breached 300…
Well, I’m just a sittin’ & a waitin’ for the St. to make another individual boo boo…just a waitin’ …just a waitin’… maybe today, just .02 cents from a 40,000 coconuts purchase …
The threshold has been breached!
Well, I can always make a whole lota these if it doesn’t work out:
Coconut Grove recipe:
1 1/2 oz Coconut Rum
1 oz Creme de Bananes
1 oz White Rum
4 oz Pineapple Juice
1 tsp Lemon Juice
Shake and strain into an ice-filled collins glass. Garnish with slices of pineapple and lemon.
7 1/2 ounces of material and only 1 1/2 ounces of Booze ??
scdave,
Camping in San Simeon in July, come on by and let’s experiment, if there’s no coastal fog we’ll have a full moon & high tide as secret ingredients!
What Days ??
scdave,
Huh? I count 3.5 oz. of booze in that recipe.
What Days ??
July 23rd-26th
Ben can release my email address to you.
Now, maybe I’m missing something here, but could someone please tell me where Rand said anything racially offensive?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20005474-503544.html
BTW, beware. The Repugnican party is trying to marginalize Rand Paul as “extreme”. How do I know? I had a very interesting phone conversation with a staffer for a state senator (republican). It started out as having to do with the senator’s withdrawal from a campaign for another state post, but morphed into a conversation about Rubio and Crist. During the conversation, the staffer spews a comment about the Pauls being “too extreme”. So when you hear that word “extreme”, tell ‘em to stuff it. I did.
“tell ‘em to stuff it. I did.”
Good for you Palmy.The only thing “extreme” about Ron & Rand Paul is that what has become our “normal” is an extreme distance from reality.
I’m Pro-Paul 24/7.
I must admit it made me queasy to learn that he was named after Ayn Rand. She was creepy.
Local radio keeps running an ad for the American Home Inspectors Institute…
“Enroll and become a certified home inspector, the industry is experiencing a shortage,due to a resurgence in the housing market”. “We will give you all the tools you need, the housing market is rebounding and you can earn between 3&$500.00 per inspection”…Call today and don’t delay.
Selling shovels to the speculators is how you make money on the gold rush.
This can’t be true, team Barry said they where “on it” from day one…
Scientists Fault Lack of Studies Over Gulf Oil Spill.
(WASHINGTON)Tensions between the Obama administration and the scientific community over the gulf oil spill are escalating, with prominent oceanographers accusing the government of failing to conduct an adequate scientific analysis of the damage and of allowing BP to obscure the spill’s true scope.
The scientists assert that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and other agencies have been slow to investigate the magnitude of the spill and the damage it is causing in the deep ocean. They are especially concerned about getting a better handle on problems that may be occurring from large plumes of oil droplets that appear to be spreading beneath the ocean surface.
The scientists point out that in the month since the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded, the government has failed to make public a single test result on water from the deep ocean. And the scientists say the administration has been too reluctant to demand an accurate analysis of how many gallons of oil are flowing into the sea from the gushing oil well.
“The scientists point out that in the month since the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded, the government has failed to make public a single test result on water from the deep ocean. And the scientists say the administration has been too reluctant to demand an accurate analysis of how many gallons of oil are flowing into the sea from the gushing oil well.”
The government has “always failed” to release data. It is the press who has the power to rally the citizenry into action against the government, but alas the alphabet news channels of today are just goons of the establishment or radical activists.
The MSM would have us believe that Mr. Obama is the man his supporters imagined him to be and that his wife possesses the style, grace and class of Mrs. Kennedy. No and no. Smoke and mirrors.
Ed Dept: $437 million in grants to schools where teachers will be rewarded for student success.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. Department of Education will give $437 million in competitive grants to districts that reward teachers for improving student achievement in high-need schools.
The Teacher Incentive Fund aims to reform teacher and principal compensation programs, increase the number of teachers instructing poor and minority students, and boost student performance.
The fund was authorized in 2006 and is available to school districts, nonprofits and states. It has been implemented in 109 school districts so far, and the new push will award about 40 to 80 more grants.
The National Education Association, the country’s largest teacher union has opposed initiative. The union generally argues against performance pay and for higher salaries for all teachers.
“Ed Dept: $437 million in grants to schools where teachers will be rewarded for student success.”
Sooooo, this begs the question of ‘how do you measure student success’? For me it’s, that they completed all 12 years of schooling and graduate and can read and write and do math at the level of those graduating in the ’50’s.
Do the schools get the money or just select teachers? How is the money to be spent if given to the schools, hard assets or is it teacher party time?
I suppose this would lead to Enron style accounting tactics when analyzing student test scores. A bad idea imo.
The Public vs Government Workers
War is Coming - the Public vs. Government Workers
Government workers are paid much better than workers are paid on “Main Street”. It is hard to justify higher government wages even if Main Street is healthy and vibrant. It will be impossible while Main Street is suffering, especially when that suffering is to pay for government that is deeply in debt. How can conflict be avoided when the workers who do the paying earn less than the workers they pay?
http://www.foundingfathersfoundation.com/page10.php
Step #1 is to question authority. The ownership society squelches the very natural and healthy human ability to be skeptical.
Real rebels remodel their (perfectly good) kitchens!
These two Marketwatch bulletins are a pisser.
11:07a Europe must bring deficits under control: Tarullo
11:06aEurope must stop liquidity from drying up: Tarullo
OK, which is it? And isn’t that the problem for the U.S. too?
Both
1. Cut wages services and benefits to middle class.
2. Increase liquidity by pringing large piles of cash and handing it to banks with no strings attatched, other than political kickbacks.
I’m not sure why you are confused?
Gulf oil spill: Kevin Costner donates ‘Ocean Therapy’ invention to clean oil from sea; BP OK’s tests ~ DAILY NEWS ~ May 19th 2010
Kevin Costner is donating a $24 million centrifuge machine to help clean up oil-contaminated water.
Could there be a Hollywood ending to the Gulf oil spill?
Enter “Waterworld” star Kevin Costner, who has invented a device that cleans oil from sea water.
British Petroleum - desperate for ideas - gave the okay to test six of Costner’s gizmos Wednesday, after the Army Corps of Engineers gave the machine a thumbs-up.
Costner’s $24 million centrifuge machine has a Los Angeles-perfect name, “Ocean Therapy.”
Placed on a barge, it sucks in oily water, separates out the oil and spits back clean water.
“It’s like a big vacuum cleaner,” said Costner’s business partner, Louisiana trial lawyer John Houghtaling.
The “Field of Dreams” star told reporters he started paying a team of scientists millions to create the device after the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska, while working on his epic 1995 flop “Waterworld.”
“I’m just really happy that the light of day has come to this,” Costner said.
“It’s prepared to go out and solve problems, not talk about them.”
Costner’s has 300 machines in various sizes, with the largest able to clean water at a rate of 200 gallons a minute, WDSU-TV reported.
A minimum of 210,000 gallons of oil per day is gushing into the sea from the well that exploded April 20. BP has tried several novel ways to stop the leak, but none have worked so far.
Placed on a barge, it sucks in oily water, separates out the oil and spits back clean water.
It’d be cool if it were self-powered from the oil it collected.
Can’t they just run a Trident in a circle & run an extension cord?
You REALLY don’t want to be burning crude oil for power production. Of course, at this juncture, they’re trying to set the stuff on fire anyway to get it off the surface of the water, so maybe just this once it would be okay. But it would make diesel rigs smell like chocolates and flowers. You’d better hope it’s an ‘unmanned’ barge.
Seems like a brilliant idea. Maybe NASA can expand on it?
One square mile of ocean 1 foot deep would contain 208,544,914 gallons. His six machines, running 24 hours a day, would clean 1728000 gallons a day. It would take his 6 machines 120 days to clean one square mile. How big is the slick now?
are you arguing one shouldn’t try to take any steps?
If the technology works, they could create more devices. Or larger ones, etc. Just because these can’t clean up the whole slick doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea to test/use them.
Wondering if the last two weeks ruined Goldman’s “perfect-record-winning streak”? Have a feeling it has in a big way. A big move like this could absolutlely slaughter JPM with their involvement in the derivatives “financial-dark matter” market. Something tells me this big drop was not in the script.
I wonder what a war in Asia and the collapse of the Euro would do for the US dollar?
Depends on what it’s relative to.
(A principle that should never be forgotten)
Along those lines, a term I’ve grown to like recently is “Competitive Devaluation”.
Here’s a nifty illustration that would surely be included in a book of that title.
Lil Opie ought to be innovative…offer Cheney an ambassadorship to both N. Korea & Iran.
Yowza on oil - down to $69 today.
It’ll be nice to not have the usual summer gas-price spike.
Yup, paid 2.59 last night.
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Oil plunges 8 percent to lowest level in 10 months
Oil falls below $65 a barrel; gasoline also tumbles ahead of Memorial Day weekend:
Chris Kahn, AP Energy Writer, On Thursday May 20, 2010, NEW YORK (AP
“People kept saying that soon demand will go up and inventories will go down. But that’s not happening.”
Traders started getting nervous as the debt crisis unfolded in Europe. U.S. government data showing that Americans continue to have a relatively weak appetite for fuel have sunk energy prices even further.
An EIA report on Thursday added to those concerns, showing that the country’s stockpile of natural gas has ballooned to nearly 17 percent more than the five-year average.
I’ll admit to buying some UCO for my daughter’s coverdell today. Alas, gas is still $3.10/gal. in these parts.
Yeah…We are still getting screwed…Well over $3.00 here…
Freddie Mac: Mortgage rates hit yearly low.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Mortgage rates fell to the lowest level of the year this week, as rates fell on U.S. government securities. Fixed mortgage rates tend to be influenced by movements in the yield of 10-year Treasury notes.
The average rate on a 30-year fixed rate mortgage dipped to 4.84% this week from 4.93% a week earlier, Freddie Mac (FRE) said Thursday. It was the lowest level since mid-December, when rates averaged 4.81%.
It’s interesting that, despite the Fed’s (supposed) conclusion of the MBS purchase program, the spread between treasuries and mortgage rate has not gone up a whit yet.
chart
That’s through April. The program ended in March. One would expect a fairly steep climb in mortgage rates back up above 5.5% (given 30-year treasuries at 4.13%, and a normal spread of about 1.6%), but so far there’s been no move in that direction. The spread remains at a measly 0.6% or so.
Wanna bet that their MBS purchase program got replaced by something equivalent that does not have to be reported on the Fed’s financial statements?
That’d be my guess. Otherwise - under the current environment of record-high delinquencies and defaults - the spread should actually be quite huge.
packman,
One of the things I’ve been wondering whether the financial crisis got rolling was whether the spread _should_ be lower now than it historically has.
The difference might also be explained by the fact that the Treasury’s guarantee of Fannie/Freddie MBS is now explicit, rather than assumed. In other words, the MBS products should now have returns that more closely track Treasuries of equivalent duration.
That’s a great point actually, and something I had forgotten about. F/F MBS is now almost 100% of the market, and being that they now have no bailout cap at all - explicitly so - they can loan extremely cheap.
Why 1-in-10 Current Borrowers Will Lose Their Homes to the Bank
Michael David White, On Thursday May 20, 2010, 8:11 am EDT
New Observations is forecasting that a minimum of one in ten homes with a mortgage today will be lost to foreclosure in the next two years and that this loss represents a staggering five-million-unit addition to inventory-for-sale.
A record high 4.63% of mortgages were in foreclosure at the end of March The Mortgage Bankers Association reported Wednesday. Much worse, a mammoth 9.54% of mortgages are 90-days or more past due.
Given cure rates are slim-to-nothing-at-all beyond a 60-day delinquency, in practical terms, all of these seriously-delinquent homes will be lost through a sheriff’s auction, a short sale, a deed-in-lieu passing title from borrower to bank, or some other variant of distressed sale. Amherst Securities Group in a Sept. 2009 report said of the cure rate: “The cure rate on 60+ loans has decreased from 66% in early 2005 to 5% in Q2 2009.”
What is obvious and apparent from the cure-rate chart (see above-click for a clear view) is that borrowers who miss a payment are giving up quickly. After two payments are missed, the mortgage is a goner. It’s a new phenomena and adds a serious risk of falling prices for those who currently own homes.
If 50 million homes carry a mortgage, and with 10 percent lost to the bank in the next two years, five million units will be added to the current for-sale inventory. The five million bank-repo homes works out to about 10 months of sales at an average rate. Amherst estimated 7 million liquidations to the bank, but it was unclear over what period of time. The numbers will have even a more exaggerated impact if mortgage-payment performance continues to fall.
Current inventory is at eight months. The recent inventory high was 11 months in April 2008. Our figures already show current supply for-sale at 3.6 million units – which we have estimated is excessive by over 900,000 units (see chart “Units For Sale”-click for a clear view). In an average month 500,000 existing homes sell.
In another derogatory sign, purchase applications fell 27 percent to their lowest point since May 1997. A government-paid down-payment program ended April 30th.
The guesstimate that one-in-ten mortgage borrowers will lose their home is not a wild proclamation. It’s basic math based on the cure rate. What is wild is considering what will happen to real estate prices should mortgage failure gain greater momentum. Serious delinquencies are 30% greater today than a year ago.
A crash has the same irrational exuberance as a mania, except that greed is liberating and fear is terrifying. We have already lost 30 percent of house prices nationwide. There is simply no question that a radical loss in value may still lie ahead. Mortgage performance has gone down hill, and only a strong employment recovery can change the math.
We can of course expect far lower RE prices in the next several years. Not only two years from now, but carry over into declining prices several years beyond that.
Rentals will also saturate the market, driving rents down along with house prices.
So yeah I can handle 0.04% yield on VMMXX for awhile.
I’ve got money markets at three banks doing better than that (albeit not by much).
I have some CDs earning over 1% and mostly 52 week T-bills at 0.35% or so. The VMMXX is for a cash fund to buy stocks with.
More banks are troubled even as industry recovers
Number of troubled banks keeps rising even as industry has best quarter in 2 years
WASHINGTON (AP) — The number of troubled banks kept growing last quarter even as the industry as a whole had its best quarter in two years.
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said Thursday that the number of banks on its confidential “problem” list grew to 775 in the January-March period from 702 in the previous quarter. But banks overall posted net income of $18 billion. That was up from $5.6 billion in the same quarter a year earlier.
“The banking system still has many problems to work through, and we cannot ignore the possibility of more financial market volatility,” FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair acknowledged. But, she added, “The trends continue to move in the right direction.”
The largest banks showed the most improvement. But a majority of institutions posted gains in net income.
In another sign of health, the FDIC’s deposit insurance fund, which fell into the red last fall, posted its first improvement in two years. Its deficit shrank by $145 million to $20.7 billion.
The largest banks showed the most improvement.
Gee - big surprise there.
They’ve become more of a vampire leech than a vampire squid.
We need to pack this a-hole Pepe Calderon up on a burrow and slap it on the ass pointed back to Mexico. He has gone as far as to blame their drug and gun violence on us. Funny how everything the U.S.’s fault, but when some country gets it’s tail in a crack they come running to Uncle Sam. Screw this punk.
Mexico’s President Slams Arizona Law, Urges Congress to Pass Immigration Overhaul ~ FOXNews.com
WASHINGTON — Mexican President Felipe Calderon on Thursday strongly denounced Arizona’s new law clamping down on illegal immigrants and urged members of Congress to pass “comprehensive immigration reform.”
In the first address to Congress by a foreign national leader this year, Calderon delivered a message that the two countries must cooperate to improve security along the often-violent border and control the flow of immigrants into the United States.
While Republican lawmakers welcomed Calderon’s call for improved relations between the two countries, they jeered his lecture on how to fix the U.S. immigration system and his criticism of Arizona’s new law.
“I think it’s inappropriate for him to come in and criticize our law,” Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, told Fox News. “When we go down to Mexico, we don’t do that to the Mexicans.”
“The Arizona law is not the problem,” he added. “The problem is the growing violence down the border and securing the border and the Obama administration enforcing federal law.”
Mexico could never overpower us, so they chose to overwhelm us and it is working.
Too bad politicians only talk about it, never do anything.
Federal Reserve is Fraudulent! -Ron Paul In “Why Gold & Silver?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiOu0dATNOA
D.C. Council considers commuter income tax
Washington Business Journal
D.C. Council members said Thursday they would back budget language to implement a commuter income tax through an amendment to the Home Rule Charter.
As the council’s second day of televised budget talks got under way, Councilman Harry Thomas, D-Ward 5, raised the issue that has long needled District leaders: A half-million people work in the nation’s capital but live elsewhere, and their income cannot be taxed at the source.
Thomas proposed a Home Rule Charter amendment to “impose any tax on the whole or any portion of the personal income either directly or at source thereof of any individual not a resident of the District.” His colleagues expressed their support.
They bring this up every few years before someone smacks them over the head for even thinking of such a thing. I can’t think of a better way to encourage the few private businesses left in DC to move to NoVA.
Keep in mind, Marion Barry is still on the DC city council.
What a day! (Hwy glances at last nights video with Mr. Cole: “It was a short summer, Charlie Brown”)
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Goldman Harvard Recruit Pledges to Do No Harm, Fights for Oath:
By Oliver Staley
May 20 (Bloomberg) — When Larry Estrada graduates from Harvard Business School next week, he’ll begin work at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. He’ll do so only after taking an oath.
Estrada, 30, joined about 150 fellow business school students and faculty worldwide to campaign for the acceptance of an MBA ethics pledge modeled on the Hippocratic Oath taken by doctors. The aim is to get as many as 6,000 graduates at 50 MBA programs to swear they won’t put personal ambitions before the interests of their employers or society
The current version of the oath, which has evolved during the last year, consists of seven principles that require its takers to obey the letter and spirit of the law, refrain from corruption, oppose discrimination and exploitation, and protect the right of future generations to enjoy a healthy planet.
“I recognize that my behavior must set an example of integrity, eliciting trust and esteem from those I serve,” the oath states. “I will remain accountable to my peers and to society for my actions and for upholding these standards.”
Houston commercial property sales drop 50% in one year
Houston Business Journal
Commercial property sales in Houston declined 50 percent in the 12-month period ending in March, according to research firm LoopNet Inc.
For the year ending March 31, total sales in the Bayou City were $2.36 billion, compared to $4.7 billion for the period ending in March 2009.
The multifamily market has shown the most resiliency, with deals closed worth $993 million as of March 2010 compared to $996 million a year earlier. The purchase price of multifamily properties rebounded during the past 12 months to $56.3 million compared to $42.2 million in the year-earlier period.
MF Global’s Quarterly Loss `Unacceptable’ as Corzine Plans Staff, Pay Cuts
May 20, 2010
MF Global Holdings Ltd., the futures and options broker headed by former New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine, posted an unexpected quarterly loss and plans to eliminate as much as 15 percent of its workforce.
“Let me state the obvious: our fiscal 2010 performance is completely unacceptable, as was our fourth-quarter result,” Corzine, who took over as chief executive officer in March, said today on a conference call with analysts. Investors “should not tolerate such earnings.”
The loss attributable to common shareholders in the quarter ended March 31 narrowed to $96.5 million, or 78 cents a share, from $119.3 million, or 98 cents, a year earlier, the New York- based company said in a statement. Excluding certain costs, the company lost 17 cents. On that basis, MF Global was estimated to earn 1 cent, according to a Bloomberg survey of 11 analysts.
The company will freeze hiring, eliminate 10 percent to 15 percent of its 3,200 workers this quarter and is restructuring, postponing or terminating “non-core initiatives” and associated “non-compensation expenses,” according to the release.
“We’re Seeing the End of a Global Free Market,” Says Ian Bremmer
May 20, 2010 Peter Gorenstein in Investing, Banking, China
The free market principles increasingly popular around the world over the last 40 years are suddenly less so. “We’re seeing the end of a global free market,” says Ian Bremmer president of the political consulting firm, Eurasia Group. “In the west, it’s indefensible to support the free markets publicly,” says the author of the The End of the Free Market.
Thanks to the financial crisis, high unemployment and a growing gap between the rich and poor, support for capitalism is waning while renewed populism takes hold. “You can’t support open borders, open trade with 17.2% unemployment in the United States,” he says, citing the recent illegal immigration law in Arizona as an example.
“There is massive anti-incumbency, anti-government sentiment throughout the West,” he notes, pointing to Gordon Brown’s resignation in the U.K., German anger over the Euro bailout and a Japanese populace that voted out the ruling party after 50 years of dominance. “And that comes hand in glove with support for populist economic policies that will hurt growth in the global economy,” he believes.
The alternative, of course, is a Chinese style state controlled economy which may gain popularity among emerging markets. While most of the developed world muddles through China continues to grow at a torrid pace. “The world’s second largest and fastest growing economy, China, is completely committed to a model that at base is fundamentally incompatible with free market capitalism.”
“There is massive anti-incumbency, anti-government sentiment throughout the West,”
Has the Western baby dropped its housing/consumer pacifier?
As a permanent resident of Arizona who is interested in the SB1070 law against illegal aliens, I don’t consider the issue against capitalism at all. The Arizonans are fed up with the automatic entitlements - socialism given to the illegals out of taxpayer pockets. The solution I want is to abolish all taxpayer money used for subsistence, health care, housing, and education of any Arizonan. Since that is not politically feasible, I will choose to support the opposite extreme - use government to crack down on illegals.
I’m a capitalist, have been so since I discovered what that word meant back in the 1970s as a teenager. I think we will be forced to cut all entitlements at some point with the government debt ever growing.
The PPT must have been out playing golf today! Getting dangerously close the the ‘psychological’ level of 10,000.
Been there, done that though. In Februrary we dipped below 10k for a few days, but then proceeded to march back up to 11,500.
Personally I don’t think much of the supposed “psychologically significant” levels - I think they’re purely a media construct.
Round numbers are always easy to understand.
Stocks to Tumble Another 20%, Cash the Safest Place: Roubini
Thursday, 20 May 2010
Stocks are likely to continue their aggressive decline and shed another 20 percent in value as the world economy weakens, economist Nouriel Roubini told CNBC.
As the market slides into correction territory, Roubini said weakness in euro zone countries and a slowdown in the US and other developed countries will make things even more difficult for investors in the months ahead.
“There are some parts of the global economy that are now at the risk of a double-dip recession,” said Roubini, head of Roubini Global Economics. “From here on I see things getting worse.”
I think he’s too optimistic.
It’s 2008 all over again but in a bigger scale.
Why state pension funds may need a $1 trillion bailout
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Ready for another government bailout? Taxpayers could be on the hook within the decade if current state pension system isn’t reformed.
Even if they continue to rake in the projected 8% in annual returns, pension funds in at least seven states — Illinois, Louisiana, New Jersey, Connecticut, Indiana, Oklahoma, and Hawaii — could dry up by 2020, and 31 states could be in trouble by 2030, according to a recent study by Northwestern University economist Joshua Rauh.
What’ll they tax next?
Some states have already slapped taxes on blueberries, illegal drugs and fur clothing. But as budget shortfalls grow, state legislators are looking for even more creative ways to earn revenue.
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Promised benefit payments are so astronomical that raising taxes would still fall short. The only solution would be to call on the federal government for a bailout, according to the study.
“This is a problem of monumental proportion,” said Rauh, an assistant professor of finance at the Kellogg School of Management. “Given that we see the same issue in many states, the total size of a federal rescue plan could exceed the seriousness of the recent economic crisis and potentially cost more than $1 trillion total.”
I was wondering how do you tax a drug that’s illegal? Here’s what Tennessee does:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1578857,00.html
“The so-called “crack tax” applies to controlled substances like marijuana and cocaine, and also illicit alcoholic beverages like moonshine. It allows someone to anonymously purchase stamps in person from the Department of Revenue based on the type and amount of the substance ($3.50 for a gram of marijuana, $50 for a gram of cocaine, etc.) with the understanding that doing so cannot be used against them in a criminal court. Possessing drugs is still illegal — the tax works completely outside the criminal justice system. A stamp cannot provide immunity from criminal prosecution, and a conviction of possession isn’t required for the Department of Revenue to assess the penalties.”
“And what a payoff: since the tax was enacted in 2004 it has netted Tennessee $3.5 million in extra revenue, 75% of which goes directly to the enforcement agencies that carry out the drug busts.”
That would seem to be a pretty powerful incentive not to pay the tax since it’s funding the enforcement efforts that could get you busted for possessing the drugs. How much more revenue might be collected if some of these drugs were made legal?
I suspect Thialand video’s will influence this sort of thing.
WASHINGTON – People who are out of work for long stretches would get expanded unemployment benefits through the end of the year under a bill Democratic lawmakers plan to pass next week.
The bill would also extend, for a year, about 50 popular tax cuts that expired in January. The bill would be paid for, in part, by tax increases on investment managers and some U.S.-based multinational companies.
House leaders said they plan to vote on the bill early next week, leaving just a few days for the Senate to act before Congress goes on a weeklong vacation for Memorial Day. House leaders had planned to vote this week, but they were still waiting for some cost estimates, and a few issues were unresolved.
Delays in extending the tax breaks have left thousands of businesses unable to plan for their tax liabilities. Delays in passing a long-term extension of emergency unemployment benefits have forced thousands of laid-off workers to live month to month with no certainty of income.
Unemployment benefits for many will start to run out June 2, unless Congress acts. The bill would extend unemployment benefits for up to 99 weeks in many states, at a cost of $47 billion.
The US will be Thialand on steroids.
Extend, extend, extend, of course they will extend unemployment checks. That’s all they know to do, just keep printing and can kicking. U.S. debt will be 13 trillion soon and 14 trillion next year, who cares, it can not be repaid. So pass out ‘free’ money from here to total collapse.
All debts public and private must be paid at some point in time, or defaulted on.
I suspect every country will increase their debt in a similar fashion thus giving investors few safe options. Who knows,at some point it might be safer to own a house than a treasury?
I didn’t even know we had an “intelligence” director, has to be a tough job with all the morons in D.C.
National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair Resigns
FOXNews.com
National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair has resigned, Fox News has confirmed through senior congressional sources.
Blair’s resignation comes after a series of intelligence failures — in the Fort Hood shooting, the failed Christmas Day bombing plot and the attempted Times Square bombing.
President Obama already is interviewing candidates to replace Blair, according to ABC News, which first reported the story.
A retired Navy admiral, Blair is the third director of national intelligence, a position created in response to the 9/11 attacks.
Blair’s tenure as the overseer of the nation’s intelligence agencies was marked by turf battles with CIA Director Leon Panetta and controversial public comments in the wake of the Christmas Day airliner bombing attempt.
Ex-stockbroker Steven Mandala laughs in court as he admits to conning Merrill Lynch out of $780K
http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2010/05/19/2010-05-19_exstockbroker_steven_mandala_laughs_in_court_as_he_admits_to_conning_merrill_lyn.html
So as I’ve mentioned I stopped using my credit card over the last couple of months. I got a call from Discover with some lady telling me they wanted me to use the Discover card first and asking what it would take to get me to do that. I was working so I hung up, but then I opened my statment and realized it was the first one with no purchases on the card.
interesting. I cut WAY back on my CC usage about a year ago. I pay cash for most things, and use my debit card otherwise (yes, the bank gets a cut, but less so than for a CC payment). Apparently Discover doesn’t miss my business as much as yours
“TrueSerialEnablers™” profiting from the “TrueSerialLiquiditist™”
You go Al, make Minisota proud, Be well, do good things, keep in touch…
AAA Raters Score D in Credibility Department:
BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™)
Commentary by Jonathan Weil May 20 (Bloomberg)
The idea is to make the raters more independent. “There is a staggering conflict of interest affecting the credit-rating industry,” said Senator Al Franken, the Minnesota Democrat who offered the amendment approved last week. “Issuers of securities are paying for the credit ratings. They shop around for their ratings.”
There’s a more difficult problem with the rating companies, though, that no law could ever fix. Even if their motives were pure, that wouldn’t necessarily mean their grades would be any more reliable.
Consider the wide divergence in ratings for a mortgage bond issued five years ago called Park Place Securities Inc. Series 2005-WHQ2. The eighth-highest tranche in that offering, dubbed the M-2 class, is rated AA+ by Standard & Poor’s, one rung below its highest level. Moody’s Investors Service rates the same bond B1, or four notches below investment grade. Fitch Ratings calls it CCC, signaling a high risk of default.
Just Clueless
And what do investors think of this bond? One company that owns it is a unit of Hartford Financial Services Group Inc., a tidbit I learned with help from the research firm SNL Financial, which tracks statutory insurance filings. Hartford pegged the bond’s fair market value at a measly 25 cents on the dollar as of Dec. 31, according to its latest annual report.
Lordy, what a day of revelation & affirmation!
SEC, Goldman Ambush Shorts in Cautionary Tale for Merkel:
Review by James Pressley, May 21 (Bloomberg)
“…Copper River might have survived this “mother of all short squeezes,” Sauer says. Only two of its shorts made the agency’s list, he writes, and many of the stocks in its short portfolio crashed within a few weeks. If Copper River had been able to hold onto its positions, it would have reversed all its losses, he says.
‘Faster, Faster!’
Unfortunately for Copper River, its prime broker of 20 years, Goldman Sachs Group Inc., was itself in crisis mode. Goldman started demanding more collateral, as other banks were doing at the time, and prohibited Copper River from making any transactions for any purpose than to reduce its short exposure, Sauer says. Every stock purchase made to trim that exposure threatened to push the shares higher.
Copper River faced “the prospect of digging our own grave with Goldman standing behind us yelling, ‘Faster, faster!’”
Estimated rate of oil spill no longer holds up:
By Steven Mufson and David A. Fahrenthold
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 21, 2010
Inquiring minds would like to know: “BP, how much oil do you “estimate” is leaking?”
BP: “…Well, so, here’s what we’re saying”:
1st day: “5,000 barrels a day”
2nd day: “5,000 barrels a day”
3rd day: “5,000 barrels a day”
4th day: “5,000 barrels a day”
5th day: “5,000 barrels a day”
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33rd day: “5,000 barrels a day”
Inquiring minds reporter: “There are some estimating the leak at 80,000+ barrels a day…”
silence…
Inquiring minds reporter: “If a barrel equals 42 gallons then that equates to…
3 Million 360,000 gallons per day, is that correct?”
No worries, another American Oil Corporation is on hand to help…you think there’s a possibility they might make a profit on “The Bandaid Cure” ?
Exxon Mobil Ties
Corexit is a product line of solvents produced by Nalco Holding Company.
One variant was used in the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster in Alaska. In 2010, Corexit EC9500A and Corexit EC9527A were used in large quantities in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. On May 19, 2010 the EPA gave BP 24 hours to choose less toxic alternatives to Corexit, selected from the list of EPA-approved dispersants on the National Contingency Plan Product Schedule, and begin applying them within 72 hours of EPA approval of their choices. BP has used Corexit 9500A and Corexit 9527A thus far, applying 600,000 US gallons (2,300,000 l) on the surface and 55,000 US gallons (210,000 l) underwater.
Nalco has had ongoing ties to Exxon. In 1994, Nalco and Exxon Chemical Company announce the formation of Nalco/Exxon Energy Chemicals, L.P. to provide products and services to all facets of the petroleum and natural gas industries. Then in 2001, NALCO, which then was called “Ondeo Nalco,” strengthened its leadership role in the petroleum industry when Nalco/Exxon Energy Chemicals, L.P. became became part of the company through redemption of Exxon Mobil stock in the joint venture. Today, Daniel S. Sanders, who previously was president of Exxon/Mobil Chemical Company, a subsidiary of Exxon Mobil, serves on the company board of directors
Toxicity
A version of Corexit was widely used after the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill and, according to a literature review performed by the group the Alaska Community Action on Toxics, was later linked with health impacts in people including respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders. But the Academy report makes clear that the dispersants used today are less toxic than those used a decade ago.“[5]
According to the EPA, Corexit is more toxic than dispersants made by several competitors and less effective in handling southern Louisiana crude. Corexit EC9500A (formerly called Corexit 9500) was 54.7 percent effective in handling Louisiana crude, while Corexit EC9527A was 63.4 percent effective in handling the same oil.
Separately, the EPA told BP officials Wednesday that the company had 24 hours to choose a less toxic form of chemical dispersant to break up the oil spill and must apply the new form of dispersant within 72 hours of submitting the list of options.
The move suggests that federal officials are concerned that the unprecedented use of dispersants could pose a significant threat to the Gulf of Mexico’s marine life. BP has been using two forms of dispersants, Corexit 9500A and Corexit 9527A, and so far has applied 600,000 gallons on the surface and 55,000 underwater.
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A spokesman for Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) said that on Thursday, BP ordered 60,000 gallons of Dispersit — a less toxic dispersant preferred by many environmentalists and lawmakers.
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