May 23, 2010

Bits Bucket For May 24, 2010

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Comment by James
2010-05-23 23:56:48

Well. Lost is over. They decided to wrap it up with what I thought was a pretty standard type ending to such a story line.

I did a habitat for humanity build and can hardly move now. Best thing I did all year. Must have moved a couple tons of concrete.

They are getting a lot of REo from investors and selling the homes to lower income families who put in sweat equity. My guess is they are buying the homes in bulk. Give out zero interest loans.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-24 07:37:36

I did not watch a single episode. The young guys in my office talk about it a lot. Same thing for American Idol. The only recent shows I watched regularly were “Deadliest Catch” and “Ice Road Truckers.” But those shows are not popular here at the office of course.

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 08:40:09

Bill in Los Angeles,

That’s where the disappointment lies! When the show originally started, nothing like it had ever been tried before. It really was revolutionary.

But… like any “escalation of commitment” you found yourself 3 or 4 seasons in watching a damned soap opera. You kept waiting for them to redeem themselves. I was always more int. in the science aspects of it and they failed to explain nearly all of that miserably.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-05-24 15:27:55

Ice road truckers….that is a great show…..what a dangerous and scary job at 40 below…..and then the fun hills….

 
 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-24 00:20:36

Okay all you Lostie fans, yeah or nay to the finale? The Target commericals were pretty funny.

Now back to housing and politics.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-05-24 01:13:37

No spoilers! I’m waiting for the release on DVD…

 
Comment by Ki
2010-05-24 03:25:37

Too tored to stay up last night for it. I’m planning to watch it on DVR when I get home tonight from work. But it will be hard not to hear/read what happened.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-24 05:22:21

Watching the demise of modern civilization is way too much fun. I have no time for TV shows.

Comment by michael
2010-05-24 07:19:11

i agree…cept for mythbusters.

 
 
Comment by James
2010-05-24 06:08:41

Well, it didn’t explain much of anything.

ex. Why such an elaborate setting for that kind of standard ending.

Felt like they wrote themselves into a corner and too many things going on and ended it in a way that fans of characters would find acceptable.

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 08:44:48

James,

Well just like the Housing Bubble, the MSM and the bloggers doing all the heavy lifting! I followed some of their threads and posters started realizing that some of their attempts to explain all the oddities would wind up in episodes in short order!

( So they stopped theorizing and left the writers to their own devices ) and this is what we got. So disappointed I can’t tell you.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-24 09:46:04

That show lost me on the first episode, when the aircraft tail departed the airplane in flight, and there were “survivors”

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 09:54:55

X-GS,

Then I guess you wouldn’t want to hear about a group of people that were actually ‘in the tail section that somehow survived as well?

When the writers had to keep introducing new characters just to continuously explain events that was our second hint. Especially when they hadn’t fully covered the characters they’d already sketched in?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-24 10:39:23

We had a “Captain Sully” event last week on our test flight after maintenance. Sucked a bird in one of our engines. Us mechs in the cabin didn’t see it, too buys doing ops checks in the cabin. No vibration or funny smells noises, but we had a couple of fan blades that had to be sent out to be looked at, and it tore the crap out of the N1/Fan stator. Al least it didn’t go down the core….. Crew saw them and thought they were able to dodge them.

Didn’t get home until yesterday afternoon. I’ve fallen in with a bad crowd. Have had more booze in the past 5 days than in the last four years.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 11:10:26

X-GS,

Whoa, a little close for comfort where I’m concerned. Saw a bird-strike on an F-4 Phantom at Cubi Point in the Phils. back in the early 80’s and thankfully he had almost touched down anyway.

Oh and I don’t think you’ve fallen in with a “bad crowd”, sounds like fun to me. But I sure can’t handle it the way I used to. I can still pound ‘em down ( but need to get horizontal NLTN 10:00pm ) and the hangover just isn’t worth it any more.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-24 12:41:31

These guys have the art of the “low level buzz” mastered.

That state where your problems seem to just fade away in the background……. :)

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 13:13:37

“low level buzz”

See that would drive me up a wall, I’d rather be totally plastered or totally sober. My dad was a Maint. Alcoholic and I think that is just so much harder on you.

I think we all need to be a little wary of “adult onset drinking” particularly here in the PNW where it’s dreary most of the time anyway.

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-05-24 18:47:54

F-16 training flight bird strike, flameout, ejection:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN_Zl64OQEw

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Speedingpullet
2010-05-24 02:06:41

I thought it was good, if enigmatic. I felt I got my money’s worth anyway

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-24 03:06:53

I wouldn’t use the word “if”, “when” fits in the paragraph much better…

One false move in Europe could set off global chain reaction.
Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner in Beijing on Sunday. The euro crisis may discourage China from a currency policy he seeks.
Washington Post May 24, 2010

If the trouble starts — and it remains an “if” — the trigger may well be obscure to the concerns of most Americans: a missed budget projection by the Spanish government, the failure of Greece to hit a deficit-reduction target, a drop in Ireland’s economic output.

But the knife-edge psychology currently governing global markets has put the future of the U.S. economic recovery in the hands of politicians in an assortment of European capitals. If one or more fail to make the expected progress on cutting budgets, restructuring economies or boosting growth, it could drain confidence in a broad and unsettling way. Credit markets worldwide could lock up and throw the global economy back into recession.

For the average American, that seemingly distant sequence of events could translate into another hit on the 401(k) plan, a lost factory shift if exports to Europe decline and another shock to the banking system that might make it harder to borrow.

Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 04:46:05

Ahhhh, globalization! Such a success story.

Comment by combotechie
2010-05-24 04:54:41

It is a success story. We’re just on the wrong end of it.

Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 04:57:10

But who is really on the right end of it? China? Not so sure about that, from the looks of their bubble. Dubai? Buh-bye!

India, maybe.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-05-24 07:15:00

We are on the right side of it if we stop trying to throw advantage away. We can go back to work for ourselves but the exporters will be sucking on an empty straw.

 
Comment by bob
2010-05-24 07:38:18

so funny. The WSJ and others are making a big deal about a preliminary Dubai World debt deal with their major creditors :-). Will it work? Is that much luxury needed in the gulf - especially with oil in the $70 range …

Oh well

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-24 07:40:30

Who is on the right side of it? Well the BRIC countries and those who invest in them. Americans should have been buying stocks in those countries as soon as the rustbelt layoffs started. Instead of caterwalling, profit!

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-24 09:48:22

The global economy is depending on politicians and central bankers to finesse it, and make all the right decisions/judgement calls……

So basically, we’re fooked. :)

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-05-24 08:29:00
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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-05-24 12:12:27

Interesting, indeed. Very skillful graphic presentation of global health and poverty/wealth data and the changes in the world since 1962.

 
 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-24 05:13:06

This revaluation story is fascinating. How will good ol’ ‘Merikun jawboning match up against the Eastern capacity to graciously stall?

Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 05:16:40

Could this do it? I mean, given the massive bailouts here in the US not inducing Armageddon, I find it hard to believe an event like this could cause trouble.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6341EA20100524

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 05:21:15

“it could drain confidence in a broad and unsettling way.”

I’ll tell you what’s a real confidence-drainer: look at the Gulf. Really inspires confidence in gubmint and industry! What a partnership, eh?

Fricken seize all British assets here in the US. Blockade the Gulf with every boat you can get your hands on, Jindal.

What’s really sad is, if you were a poor person living in the Bayou, you might have been able to at least eat, if you could fish. But not now.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-24 09:33:44

What’s really sad is, if you were a poor person living in the Bayou, you might have been able to at least eat, if you could fish. But not now.

Good point, palmetto. When I was doing the post-Katrina reconstruction work in MS, one of the people I worked for was a bank teller. She said that when people came to her window and were told that they didn’t have enough money in their account, well, the response was, “Time to go fishing!”

And the place they were heading to? The Gulf of Mexico. Which had some of the best fishing on the planet.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-24 06:39:39

Financial “innovation” is kind of like a “just-in-time” supply system for money. It does save money and improve efficiency, until a snow storm at a windshield factory in Duluth halts car production for a week. All those CDOs and CDLs and et al work fine until somebody can’t pay. Once “counterparty default” starts working it’s way through the highly leveraged and “efficient” system, all hell breaks loose.

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 08:53:02

Jim A,

That’s been my assessment all along, you’ve worded it beautifully. Be it AIG, Bear, whomever, there really wasn’t anything all that off kilter until you look at their deriv. exposure. Then all you have is a house of cards.

My suggestion in terms of regulation is (1) Hedge to an underwriting! If you have to start writing layer upon layer of synthetics to CYA ( then it probably wasn’t a good idea to begin with? ) All this “elimination of RISK” is awfully risky business don’t you think?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-24 10:01:09

All you need to know about this whole Charlie-Foxtrot, is that the banksters were making bets with funny money, instead of having real reserves to pay off their bad bets.

The problems started when people started worrying about getting paid back.

Had a conversation with an old buddy of mine this weekend. Got a new job, needs to sell his house in ATL…….He’s still believes the “……things would have been fine, if it hadn’t been for all those subprime borrowers……” talking points. Still buying into the dogma.

Guess that makes me some kind of heretic.

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Comment by james
2010-05-24 11:00:25

What’s great for me is that economist have been spouting that savings are a negative and a drag on the economy. So Bernake has been talking about doing away with any and all reserve requirements.

As I see it, savings and reserves are buffers against deflationary spirals, like the one we are caught in. We have bailout after bailout getting sent to rich bankster after banksters who don’t know how or have any desire to spend it.

Anyhow, forcing savings into circulation is just another inflationary effect. While there is some temporary activity, in the end prices adjust and there isn’t any further activity.

Shouldn’t be shocked by the numbers in stimulis that Obama is floating. Basically see the exponential growth in money supply required to sustain inflation.

Big problem, as I see it is the money is being delivered totally to the top of the spectrum bankers in big fricking trucks. The rest of us are getting it in some small trickle. Wealth distribution getting worse and worse.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-24 11:02:26

I would say that people REALIZED there was a problem when they started worrying about being paid back. Because like all credit bubbles the problem was when people started lending money without worrying about HOW* the borrower intended to pay them back.

*beause at first I wrote “whether the borrower was able,” and the problem was that continued appreciation of RE assets was the only way the loans underlying all these bonds could be paid back. There was NO way for many of these loans to be carried to term.

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 11:16:12

Jim A,

Uh huh, my mom worked for Chicago Title for like 30 freakin’ years and said seldom if ever did you see huge loan amts. get “paid off”.

At the time only the very well-heeled played the flipping game on high end properties but even at that, the properties were held more like ten years or longer. If ever you wondered what it was like when ‘everyone’ got in on the act, well I guess we have our answer.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-24 03:38:05

Defaults on Apartment-Building Loans Set Record for U.S. Banks

May 24 (Bloomberg) — Defaults on apartment-building mortgages held by U.S. banks climbed to a record 4.6 percent in the first quarter, almost twice the year-earlier level, as more borrowers failed to repay debt approved near the market peak, said Real Capital Analytics Inc. in a report.

Defaults on so-called multifamily mortgages rose from 4.4 percent in the fourth quarter and from 2.4 percent during the same period in 2009, the New York-based real estate research firm said today. Commercial-mortgage defaults also rose in the first quarter for loans against office, retail, hotel and industrial properties, Real Capital said.

“Apartment defaults are leading other commercial real estate,” Sam Chandan, global chief economist at Real Capital, said in an interview. “Banks tended to make more aggressively underwritten apartment loans earlier during this last cycle. Credit and pricing reached their peaks for office properties and other commercial assets later.”

Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 04:55:15

“Apartment defaults are leading other commercial real estate,”

No surprise there. But I’ll bet the individual renters don’t get papers served to them like the renters of single family homes do when their landlords default.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-24 07:42:17

My apartment complex’s owner went through bankruptcy hearings in December. The management staff is still in place. The apartments continue to rent.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-24 05:28:24

Gotta be way higher. I am guessing that shadow inventory is enormous like all commercial due to the stakes being considerably higher at this level. One or two large defaults could put a small bank under and I’m sure denial is in play.

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 08:56:48

Understood on the lending side, but what of the tenants? Good Lord, what kind of a world do we live in when you can’t even rent an apartment without things becoming sticky?

Remember all the “re-partments” we talked about when so many were converted to condoze? Leave the country or move back in w/ mom & dad were the only safe choices.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-24 04:09:25

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By Paul Owers
Sun Sentinel
Posted: 11:14 p.m. Sunday, May 23, 2010

Before Larry Thomas unloaded his Pompano Beach home last fall for a fraction of what he paid, he cut a deal that will keep him from worrying about a huge debt hanging over his head.

Thomas insisted that his lender, American Home Mortgage Servicing, agree not to come after him for the estimated $174,000 he still owed on his two mortgages. “I feel incredible relief,” the 32-year-old restaurant manager said last week.

Others may not be as fortunate.

Lenders will file a tidal wave of lawsuits against homeowners in the next few years as a way to recoup losses when home sales or foreclosure auctions don’t result in enough money to pay the mortgages in full, real estate and legal analysts say.

“It will be a dramatic problem because the borrowers will not know it’s coming,” said Frank Alexander, a law professor at Emory University in Atlanta.

Under Florida law, banks have five years from the date of the sale to file for so-called deficiency judgments and up to 20 years to collect. Lenders can garnish wages or make claims on borrowers’ assets.

Before the housing meltdown, few lenders filed these lawsuits. Foreclosures and short sales — selling for less than the mortgage amount — were relatively rare at the time, and many of the homeowners didn’t have sufficient assets to make it worth the banks’ time and expense.

But following the heady days of the housing boom that spawned millionaire investors seemingly overnight, it’s not uncommon for borrowers to default on mortgages while still holding lucrative investments.

As the next wave of the housing crisis plays out, those most in danger of getting slapped with lawsuits include angry homeowners who ransack properties they’re losing in foreclosure and borrowers who walk away from “underwater” mortgages. In both cases, analysts say, banks will want to discourage other people from such behavior.

More than four in 10 homeowners said they would consider abandoning properties that are underwater, or worth less than the mortgages, according to a national online survey released last week by real estate firms Trulia and RealtyTrac.

Mortgage companies typically won’t sue homeowners who negotiate in good faith or those who default on their loans because of job losses or other unforeseen circumstances, said Anthony Manno, an executive with Steelbridge Real Estate Services. The Miami-based company works with lenders on the resale of foreclosed homes.

Still, borrowers shouldn’t rely on a lender’s verbal commitment, Manno said. “Get something in writing.”

Critics insist that spite will play a role in some of these lawsuits. Lenders deny it.

“We certainly would not do that,” said Russell Greene, president of Grand Bank & Trust of Florida in West Palm Beach. “It’s a business decision — not an emotional decision. It’s very time-consuming to take someone to court.”

Even if lenders don’t pursue the judgments, they could sell mortgage debt to collection agencies at deep discounts. And it will be those debt collectors that will hound borrowers, said Shari Olefson, a Fort Lauderdale real estate lawyer.

“They paid money to be able to hassle you,” she said.

Thomas, the former Pompano Beach homeowner, said he didn’t have money for a down payment but was approved for 100 percent financing on two loans in spring 2006. He bought a three-bedroom home for $245,000 near Copans Road and Dixie Highway.

Thomas said he soon became responsible for the entire mortgage after his roommate lost his job. That became even more difficult after Thomas took a pay cut.

So he attempted a short sale, eventually finding plenty of prospective buyers interested in a property that had plummeted nearly 70 percent in value. He and American Home Mortgage accepted one offer for $80,000. After closing costs, the lender netted about $71,000, said his Fort Lauderdale lawyer, Joe Kohn.

But before the sale closed, Kohn had American Home Mortgage waive its right to collect on the remaining mortgage debt.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-05-24 07:28:06

A long time ago Deion Sanders and Andre Rison got into a fight/slapping match during an NFL football game. I was rooting for both men to simultaneously win and lose at the same time. That is kind of the feeling I get when thinking about arrogant FBs versus their lenders.

A friend in New Jersey is being pressured from all sides to buy right now. “It’s a great time to buy”, he is being told. This is 2010 and that attitude is still prevalent. The FBs deserve the kicks they get.

Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 08:43:21

“A long time ago Deion Sanders and Andre Rison got into a fight/slapping match during an NFL football game. I was rooting for both men to simultaneously win and lose at the same time. That is kind of the feeling I get when thinking about arrogant FBs versus their lenders.”

OK, now, that’s just too funny, right there.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 09:00:59

I’m confused here, at the end of GWB’s 2nd term didn’t they inact what we described as “Don’t 1099 Me Bro!” legislation? Was there a sunset to that? Has it been repealed, did it ever really exist?

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-05-24 10:05:28

The provision waiving federal income taxes on the forgiven debt, due to foreclosure or short sale of your primary residence, is in effect until the end of 2012.

States don’t have to abide by this.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-24 04:13:34

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Analysts expect barrage of lender lawsuits to recoup mortgage debt

By Paul Owers
Sun Sentinel
Posted: 11:14 p.m. Sunday, May 23, 2010

Christine Sullivan, a spokeswoman for the lender, wrote in an e-mail that she can’t discuss Thomas’ case because of privacy issues. But when homeowners seeking short sales demonstrate legitimate hardship, “we provide a full release of liability, and we do not pursue deficiency judgments.”

Some banks say they won’t file a lawsuit, though they aren’t willing to put that in writing, Kohn said.

“I have no choice but to accept that,” he said. “Even when you play by the rules, banks don’t always do what we’d like.”

Under new government guidelines for short sales that took effect this spring, lenders aren’t supposed to hold homeowners responsible for any remaining mortgage debt. But not all short sales fall under the guidelines, while some lenders choose not to implement them, Kohn said.

A forgiven mortgage balance through 2012 is not considered taxable income on a primary residence as long as the debt was used to buy or improve the house. But borrowers who walk away from investment properties risk having to pay federal income taxes on the forgiven amount.

Homeowners who hand their properties back to the bank through so-called deeds in lieu of foreclosure also should make sure they won’t be on the hook for any mortgage debt.

With friends facing deficiency judgments, Thomas said he’s grateful he sought legal advice on how to avoid a lawsuit. He now rents a home west of Boca Raton, but he just found out the owner is in foreclosure.

“I’ve escaped my own problem, only to inherit someone else’s,” Thomas said. “But this is nothing. It’s just a matter of picking up the pieces and moving on to the next rental.”

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 09:04:54

jeff,

Interesting, and in ways it answers my question above. We really need to go after the MEW/flipper crowd in the worst way. But for anyone that only had (1) home, their primary and was laid off or their plant shut down etc. I’m not sure what the point of going after them would be?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-24 11:06:56

From an “ownership society” to a gypsy society.

Wonderful.

Comment by Reader
2010-05-24 20:52:54

If it means that the society is going from typically having negative assets to typically having zero assets, that’s an improvement.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-24 04:24:35

The gathering revolt against government spending.
Michael Barone ~ Washington Examiner

This month three members of Congress have been beaten in their bids for re-election — a Republican senator from Utah, a Democratic congressman from West Virginia and a Republican-turned-Democrat senator from Pennsylvania. Their records and their curricula vitae are different. But they all have one thing in common: They are members of an Appropriations Committee.

Like most appropriators, they have based much of their careers on bringing money to their states and districts. There is an old saying on Capitol Hill that there are three parties — Democrats, Republicans and appropriators. One reason that it has been hard to hold down government spending is that appropriators of both parties have an institutional and political interest in spending.

Their defeats are an indication that spending is not popular this year. So is the decision, shocking to many Democrats, of House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey to retire after a career of 41 years. Obey maintains that the vigorous campaign of a young Republican in his district didn’t prompt his decision. But his retirement is evidence that, suddenly this year, pork is not kosher.

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 05:05:57

Hey, boyz n’ girlz! 5 bargain spots for a vacation home! Hurry, hurry, these won’t last! I think they’re a bit optimistic in their pricing for Orlando vacation homes, though.

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/05/19/five-popular-bargain-spots-for-a-vacation-home/?icid=main|verizon|dl6|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.walletpop.com%2Fblog%2F2010%2F05%2F19%2Ffive-popular-bargain-spots-for-a-vacation-home%2F

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-05-24 05:24:51

A happy 69th birthday goes out to Mister Zimmerman. So many of his words still ring true for this forum.

- To all of the FBs: “How does it feel? How does it feel?”

- To the thought of walking away from your mortgage just because you can: “For the times they-are-a-changin’”

- For the ongoing disaster in the world’s economy: “And it’s a hard rain’s a gonna fall”

- When will the market bottom?: “The answer my friend is blowin’ in the wind”

- To all of the economists that keep shooting off their mouths: “Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth. You’re an idiot babe it’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe”

- For those calls from FBs looking for cash to keep their lifestyle going: “It ain’t me babe, it ain’t me you’re looking for”

- To the masters down on Wall Street: “All the money you’ve made will never buy back your soul”

- Regarding the actions of the Fed: “And the buying power of the proletariat’s gone down”

- For all of us that have been watching this mess play out for several years now: “I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now”

Happy Birthday, Bob. Let the quotes keep on coming.

Comment by Elanor
2010-05-24 08:51:42

We are all tangled up in blue.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-24 19:37:58

subterranean home price blues

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 10:22:58

The festival was over, the boys were all plannin’ for a fall,
The cabaret was quiet except for the drillin’ in the wall.
The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin’ wheel shut down,
Anyone with any sense had already left town.

Comment by nycjoe
2010-05-24 11:28:31

… and there was no actor anywhere,
who was better than _____

Comment by lavi d
2010-05-24 12:41:17

The dealer said “It’s too late now
You can take your money, but I don’t know how
You’ll spend it in the tomb”

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-05-24 13:58:17

Even the swap meets around here are getting pretty corrupt

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Watching and Waiting
2010-05-24 05:38:36

CNBC Story Head this morning:

Campbell Profit Tops View on US Soup Sales Gain

I predict, later this week:

Ramen Sales Explode Past Street Estimate

Comment by combotechie
2010-05-24 05:50:24

The CEO said “Campbell’s products used to prepare meals at home are resonating with customers”.

That fits. People are eating out less due to the lack of money .

Comment by arizonadude
2010-05-24 06:18:28

There soups sure have got expensive these days.They are loaded with sodium too.I stay away from their stuff unless I’m real desperate.

Comment by combotechie
2010-05-24 06:26:25

Along with soup, Campbells owns Pace (as in pecante sauce), Pepperidge Farms,, Prego, Swanson, and V8.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-05-24 06:36:54

So THAT’S what happened to Prego. In the last three or four years it went from one of the better prepared sauces to about the worst.

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 06:44:10

The sugar level in Prego is gross.

 
Comment by arizonadude
2010-05-24 06:55:31

Anyone eating the swanson tv dinners these days?

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2010-05-24 07:27:23

Wasn’t Campbell the only company comprising the S&P 500 that had a higher share price on December 31, 2008 than on January 1, 2008?

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-24 06:42:08

The high salt levels frankly irritate me. I mean if you want more salt, you can add it, but there’s no way to take it back out. And prepared soups usually have more salt than I like the taste of.

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Comment by In Montana
2010-05-24 08:40:28

They had a line of Health Choice soups that weren’t bad but it looks like they’re being phased out. Of course.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-24 09:38:06

I buy my soup ingredients in bulk at the Food Conspiracy Co-op. A lot cheaper that way.

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Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 05:57:55
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-24 11:13:48

uh oh

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 06:14:02

I can’t agree more strongly with Ms. Evans: The U.S. residential real estate picture will get much more interesting once the effect of the first-time buyer credit washes away. I think the average observer who misses the leverage effect $8,000 can have on the home purchase budget is in for a surprise regarding just how substantial the effect of a few thousand dollars in other people’s money was on the purchase bid for recent first-time buyers.

* The Wall Street Journal
* AHEAD OF THE TAPE
* MAY 24, 2010

Positive Housing Data Likely Just a Respite

* By KELLY EVANS

If the latest recession were a Broadway drama, the housing market would be its star. Yet data out this week could show its time in the spotlight is drawing to a close.

The National Association of Realtors kicks things off on Monday with its April report on existing-home sales. It is expected to show a 5% gain from March to a seasonally adjusted 5.6 million annualized rate. On Wednesday, the Commerce Department is expected to say new-home sales climbed 3% in April, after a 27% surge in March, to a 423,000 annualized pace.

Such positive news offers a respite from the housing market’s tale of woe. But it may not bring investors much cheer. On Tuesday, for example, the S&P/Case-Shiller index of home prices is likely to show prices in major U.S. cities posting year-to-year gains in March, but also a further decline on a month-to-month basis.

And any improvements in the housing market were likely fueled in large part by a temporary boost from the government’s home-buyer tax credits, which expired on April 30 for contract signings and on June 30 for closings. These incentives probably pulled forward housing demand at the expense of future sales.

Any improvements in the housing market were likely fueled in large part by a temporary boost from the government’s home-buyer tax credits.

Take last week’s report showing construction of new homes rose about 6% in April, yet permits for future building slumped by 11.5%. J.P. Morgan chief U.S. economist Michael Feroli notes that, while those figures are volatile, data from the Mortgage Bankers Association seem to confirm the weakening trend. The group’s latest weekly index of purchase applications plunged 27% to its lowest level since records began in 1997, despite falling borrowing rates.

Unlike the government’s “cash-for-clunkers” program, which included a scrapping scheme for old vehicles, there has been no destruction of excess housing supply. Inventories of existing homes are still elevated, and the rising rate of delinquencies and foreclosures ensures a steady stream of supply that will keep downward pressure on prices for some time to come.

True, sales activity may benefit from low interest rates as well as steadily rising job growth that boosts housing demand. But going forward, the drama of the last few years is likely to give way to a plodding sequel.

Maybe it should be called “Stuck in the Cellar.”

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-24 06:16:50

This Time is Different

Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff actually wrote a book about the subject - sounds like a good read actually.

In “This Time Is Different,” Carmen M. Reinhart and Kenneth S. Rogoff construct the richest and most detailed history of financial crises that anyone has developed. Their data set covers 66 countries, five continents and centuries, and it gives them an unparalleled ability to see patterns and predictors among different types of crashes. I spoke to Rogoff about the causes, trajectories and solutions to financial crises. This is an excerpt:

So how did having access to all that historical information change the way you understood our financial turmoil?

We had the major charts and tables ahead of the crisis. The key charts in Chapter 13, for instance, were published before the crisis and said the U.S. was at high risk for a crisis based on virtually every available indicator. And the main prediction we made in our work was that deep financial crises are different than typical recessions. It takes longer to recover from a financial crisis. So economists who had just studied the handful of previous U.S. recessions and used those to benchmark everything — the majority of forecasters — missed the boat because this kind of recession is different.

The main way in which this crisis is different from other postwar crises, however, is that it was global. And that adds an important dimension. The Depression was global, and there were global crises in the 1800s, but they’re not common. Global crises are more worrisome because a way countries get out of these crises is exports. But not everyone can ramp up exports all at once.


So the people who think this was all about Lehman haven’t read our book. This wasn’t about some mistakes made over one weekend the way many books portray it. Housing prices had doubled, debt had exploded, we were set to lose trillions of dollars in the value of our capital stock. Lehman was the spark, but the idea that it could’ve been largely avoided is very naive. If people think that the only real problem was letting Lehman fail, then that bodes badly for the steps we’ll take to prevent future crises.

I liked his “heart attack” analogy of when you can predict the timing of the crisis (i.e. the popping of a bubble) - i.e. you know it’s coming if you’re high risk, you just have no clue when…

Start with a really important point: It’s very hard to call the timing of a crisis. You can see that an economy is vulnerable, and maybe even fairly reliably say you’ll have a crisis in five to 10 years, but until it’s upon you it’s hard to narrow the window down with any precision.
There’s irreducible uncertainty coming from fragile confidence and political factors. The analogy is someone who’s vulnerable to a heart attack. You can go to the doctor and they can see your cholesterol is high and you have risk factors, but you might go on for 20 years without anything happening. Or it might be 20 hours.

Also I thought this was very pertinent, regarding trying to prevent crises via regulation:

So how do you defend against them?
You need several levels of defense. To depend excessively on regulatory judgment would be naive. The banks and financial institutions are clever at staying ahead of regulators. A big problem there is that regulators don’t get paid enough. I watch star regulators and analysts get bid away by the financial firms all the time. You can’t have people regulating these hundred-billion-dollar firms who are paid less than executive secretaries at the firms they’re regulating.

(emphasis mine)

We’re heading down the exact same path with the finance bill. It’s fraught with loopholes, and only addresses the symptoms, not the root cause of the problem.

Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-05-24 07:33:47

It is a good read.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-24 07:38:27

Pretty crunchy and numbers driven. It’s good, and kind of interesting, but dry and pretty slow going for those of us whose formal training in economics was econ 101.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-24 08:06:34

“A big problem there is that regulators don’t get paid enough. I watch star regulators and analysts get bid away by the financial firms all the time.”

I happen to know what star regulators get paid. They are well paid. The problem is, those in the financial firms are overpaid.

Comment by nycjoe
2010-05-24 08:32:09

“Star” regulators? How good is good enough?

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-24 09:47:31

“A big problem there is that regulators don’t get paid enough. I watch star regulators and analysts get bid away by the financial firms all the time.”

Well WT beat me to the punch.

How can they get paid high enough without some people screaming government workers get paid to much?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-24 11:16:59

So they couldn’t predict it but HBB could? Am I missing something?

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 06:19:43

Almost 9:30. Fat fingers up or fat fingers down?

Comment by Maria
2010-05-24 06:31:53

DOWN , all the way

Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 06:52:11

So far..

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-24 11:18:36

The cat has finished its bounce.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-24 12:22:20

Has anybody seen my cat, Fluffy?

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-05-24 13:59:51

Yes. She was delicious.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 06:23:57

Since the Eurozone crisis is not providing sufficient financial instability to the globalized economy, how about some Korean tensions to make things more interesting?

US urges action to contain ‘precarious’ Korea situation
Page last updated at 12:14 GMT, Monday, 24 May 2010 13:14 UK

The US secretary of state says her country is working hard to avoid an escalation after a report blamed North Korea for the sinking of a South Korean warship.

After talks in China, Hillary Clinton urged countries in the region to contain “the highly precarious situation created by North Korea”.

Earlier, South Korean President Lee Myung-bak froze trade with Pyongyang, vowing to punish those who carried out the attack, which killed 46 sailors.

North Korea says it will retaliate.

The country’s main newspaper called the investigation an “intolerable, grave provocation”.

President Lee addressed the nation on television to announce Seoul would no longer tolerate “any provocative act by the North and will maintain a principle of proactive deterrence”.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 07:04:51

So, today in “Ask The Shadow”, we hear from the former “Cantankerous Non-Intellectual Bomb-thrower” who currently travels between Wyoming & Dubai what he would advise how Lil’ Opie should respond to North Korea… ;-)

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-24 06:25:16

Net worth of every US president (I bet no one can guess the richest one):

/www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/05/the-net-worth-of-the-us-presidents-washington-to-obama/57020/

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-24 06:34:17

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/05/the-net-worth-of-the-us-presidents-washington-to-obama/57020/

Interesting tidbits in the intro:

“Because there was no central banking system and no commodities regulatory framework, markets were subject to panics. The panic of 1819 was caused by the deep indebtedness of the federal government and a rapid drop in the price of cotton. The immature banking system was forced to foreclose on many farms. The value of the properties foreclosed upon was often low, because land without a landowner meant land without a crop yield. The panic of 1837 caused a depression that lasted six years. It was triggered by a weak wheat crop, a drop in cotton prices, and a leverage bubble in the value of land created by speculation. These factors caused the U.S. economy to go through a multi-year period of deflation.”

Panics and long depressions in the age of no regulations, no bailouts, and while on the gold standard?

Comment by packman
2010-05-24 07:26:55

the age of no regulations

:roll:

You may consider creation and destruction of central banks by the U.S. government, massive land sales by the U.S. government, changes in the rules for how land could be paid for, etc. etc. to be “no regulations”, but … you’d be wrong. There was all kinds of government influence on the economy back then.

The Panic of 1837 was as a result of move back towards more a more responsible economy, especially with respect to the government. Such a move by its nature will be painful - e.g. like having to sell your house when you go into too much debt.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-05-24 09:06:07

Good thing we have regulations and bailouts now, so we don’t have any more of those annoying panics and long depressions.

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 11:24:00

LHVG,

Right! What’s sad about all of this is there’s ample regs. “on the books” Truth In Lending, RESPA FHA/VA regs. etc.

It’s just that the mortgage brokers figured a way around them at every turn. They were one step ahead of the regulators every step of the way.

It’s come to light that many of these smaller banks -were- being warned much earlier than originally thought. Our local OR failure as early as 2003 ( you know, “before things got crazy” ) I just can’t IMAGINE getting a stern written +WARNING+ from a gov. agency ( and then conducting yourself as if nothing had happened? ) as evidently was the case?

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Comment by packman
2010-05-24 06:41:17

Interesting article - thanks for the link. I almost guessed the right one (he was second on my guess list). I won’t name names as to not be a spoiler, until perhaps later today after everyone’s seen it.

Comment by az_lender
2010-05-24 11:03:28

I don’t know how you figure out which one even after you look at the article. I see two possibilities, since one mentions total family assets, which are greater than the individual assets ascribed to the second (?) wealthiest president.

???

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-24 15:09:18

I thought it was interesting how fantastically wealthy most of the early presidents were. Then it became more of a middle class institution for the rest of the 19th century, and then in the 20th there more and more wealthy presidents (although many were making their $ after the presidency) but still very few in the league of the early ones.

I knew our founding fathers were wealthy, but I didn’t realize they were plutocrats.

Comment by packman
2010-05-24 18:29:15

I leave not too far from many of the early presidents’ homes, so have seen firsthand how wealthy they were. I actually thought Jefferson would have been first and Washington second, though I figured FDR would be up there too.

I think back then the population was so sparse (relatively) that there just wasn’t a lot of talent pool for leadership. Also there still was a fairly prevalent aristocracy mindset at the time of the first presidents. I don’t think it was so much a matter of the rich folks having excessive power as it was the people who were born into the aristocracy and/or grew into it just had a better education, and by extension more leadership and diplomatic skills.

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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-24 19:52:06

I read the John Adams biography a few years ago. Even though they owned a farm, he and Abigail did much of the work themselves. They hardly behaved as aristocrats. She worked all day and rarely traveled with him because she had to take care of the farm. Maybe they made their money after he served as president.

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Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 06:25:48

Sure, the guy’s a pain in the arse. OK, he’s in contempt of court. But this is just wrong. 14 months in jail without being charged is just too long.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/24/jailed.lawyer.richard.fine/?hpt=C1

Comment by jim
2010-05-24 07:57:18

THere are folks in jail for YEARS for this sort of thing, refusing to turn over children for visitation and the like.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 06:31:06

Black swan oil bomb: Got crude?

* The Wall Street Journal
* U.S. NEWS
* MAY 24, 2010

U.S. Wasn’t Ready for Major Spill
Despite Mature Off-Shore Oil Operations, Gulf Crews Are Improvising With Chemicals, Protective Boom And Outdated Maps

By JEFFREY BALL, STEPHEN POWER and NEIL KING

Crude gushing into the Gulf of Mexico and washing ashore in Louisiana is exposing how ill-prepared the U.S. has been to respond to a major offshore oil spill.

In the fight to limit environmental damage from the month-old spill—which is on track to rival the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster in size—BP PLC executives, government officials, and scientists are learning as they go, even though the industry has been drilling in the Gulf for decades and has 77 rigs operating there, according to ODS-Petrodata, a research firm.

The Environmental Protection Agency says it is still assessing the ecological effect of the 600,000 gallons of chemicals that BP has sprayed into the Gulf to break up the oil so far. As of Sunday, the agency and BP were locked in a standoff over whether to continue using the same chemical dispersant.

Some scientists researching the spill don’t have the right instruments to measure the spill or to study its impact. Maps that federal officials are using to identify priority areas to protect from spreading oil are outdated. And the Coast Guard says the country lacks enough plastic piping, or “boom,” to keep the incoming oil away from the coast.

The national system did not contemplate you would have to do all that at once,” Coast Guard Commandant Thad Allen told a Senate committee last week, referring to laying boom across a coastline as big as the Gulf’s.

Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-24 06:40:55

BP is liable for cleaning up the oil.

But not the economic and environmental damage from having a toxic dispersant contaminate the Gulf’s seafood.

Comment by palmetto
2010-05-24 06:42:51

“But not the economic and environmental damage from having a toxic dispersant contaminate the Gulf’s seafood.”

Why not?

Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-24 08:12:26

Evidently there is no limit on liability for clean up of oil, but a (I think) $75 million limit on liability for economic damage, by federal law.

Why the law is written that way probably has something to do with campaign contributions.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 06:43:30

Cleanup Baby! Cleanup! ;-)

Palin criticizes Lil’ Opie on Gulf oil cleanup:

“Palin said she remains a “big supporter” of oil drilling but “these oil companies have got to be held accountable.”

May 24, 2010 USA Today

 
 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-05-24 06:38:24

Office update. After a dearth of lookers, ( no surprise there ), we got a little flurry of interest a couple of weeks ago, and one cautious couple made a pretty good offer on it. We, naturally, accepted it. Now they’re looking it over again, and trying to figure out all of the angles, after they made an offer. So far, though, it looks like it will go to close in about a month. I don’t have much more at this point.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 06:44:30

Wishing you well!

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-24 09:02:57

Good luck, silverback.

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-24 09:55:32

All the best Silverback.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-05-24 14:54:53

The townhouse rental I moved out of last month is now back on the market. The new ‘buyers’ actually came around to measure for new window dressings. Guess their loan didn’t go through.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 06:43:23

What is this J.P. Morgan strategist talking about? It appears the DJIA is already taking a plunge today, at the opening bell.

Sell in May, and go away. :-)

Indications

May 24, 2010, 9:12 a.m. EDT
U.S. stock futures return to losing ways

After bashing, U.S. stock futures drop further

By Steve Goldstein, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stock futures came under renewed selling pressure Monday, retreating after Spain’s weekend move to rescue a troubled lender fueled fresh concerns over growth in Europe and globally.

S&P 500 futures fell 4.9 points to 1,079.70 and Nasdaq 100 futures dropped 1.0 points to 1,818.25. Futures on the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 35 points.

U.S. stocks suffered through a difficult week, with the S&P 500 losing 4.2% despite strength on Friday, in what’s been a decidedly bearish month. Negative sentiment grew after Germany enacted a short-selling ban on German financials, euro-zone bonds and certain credit-default swaps.

We believe that we are in an environment where investor heroism is not required. While the risk/reward balance is starting to move back in favor of equities, it is not yet time to take the plunge,” said David Shairp, strategist at J.P. Morgan Asset Management.

Comment by az_lender
2010-05-24 11:06:17

I get married to a single line pretty easily. My line is, “Stock prices have been in a bubble since IRA’s were invented.” And now that the baby boomers are cashing in their IRA’s, guess what.

Comment by cactus
2010-05-24 16:02:23

I get married to a single line pretty easily. My line is, “Stock prices have been in a bubble since IRA’s were invented.” And now that the baby boomers are cashing in their IRA’s, guess what.

yea maybe cashing in retiring this could go on for some time Secular Bear Market

 
 
 
Comment by Lip
2010-05-24 06:44:49

Don’t Rule Out a Double Dip Recession

“Meanwhile, the fundamental trend in the West remains profoundly deflationary. Last week the U.S. government reported that the country’s core consumer price index (CPI) inflation rate slid in April to its lowest level in 44 years”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704852004575258332608266808.html

While I’ve expecting to get inflation due to the wholesale printing of new money (don’t they just add a few zeros to the compuer ledgers?), we now have deflation?

So in other words, buying a house right now is really a bad idea considering everything we think and know.

How fast can we go from deflation to inflation?

Lip

Comment by drumminj
2010-05-24 07:14:34

I sure haven’t seen any kind of price deflation in my everyday life. Gas prices, groceries, utility bills and fees, etc.

Have you?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-05-24 08:14:50

Other than a new car I bought last year at a 40% discount (A GM closeout) from MSRP, no. Everything else seems to be more expensive than ever.

 
Comment by Lip
2010-05-24 11:30:30

In many areas I see inflation, especially tax inflation, photo radar ticket inflation, home and apt rentals, food, and restaurants.

Deflation includes gasoline (down $1 a gallon since 2008-2009) and I lost money on the house I just sold (but will get a check back).

So I guess I would have to agree on most fronts, maybe the article is full of BS.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-24 07:50:26

I fear a double dip recession - for my sister’s sake. She had to move out of California over a year ago to get a job. Now she’s moving back, found a job in Oakland paying over $100,000. She has a good job in Maryland paying $90,000 and I think she likes her job. If it was me, I’d stay in Maryland two more years. Perhaps she’d get advancement and somehow save money. But she is not the type to plan ahead or be cautious.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-05-24 06:48:43

Not sure if it was posted or not - but on Friday mortgage rates broke through to their lowest level on record. 4.87% on 30-year, per bankrate.com.

Comment by packman
2010-05-24 06:52:45

Actually I take that back - per Freddie Mac and Federal Reserve data I see rates were at 4.81% back in April. For some reason bankrate.com doesn’t show rates going that low back then though.

 
Comment by arizonadude
2010-05-24 06:53:30

I guess wall street is loading up on the treasuries still?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 06:58:51

I got mine, so screw the rest of yous.

BusinessWeek Logo
Monday May 24, 2010
Bloomberg
Paulson, Once a Top Earner, Says Bankers Are Overpaid (Update1)
February 10, 2010, 9:45 PM EST

(Adds Buffett’s $100,000 salary in the sixth paragraph, Paulson’s compensation in table.)

By Andrew Frye

Feb. 10 (Bloomberg) — Henry Paulson, who was paid an $18.7 million cash bonus for his final six months of work on Wall Street in 2006, said bank bailouts he later orchestrated as Treasury secretary should encourage firms to rein in pay.

“Today, restraint is very much in order by the top people,” Paulson, 63, said yesterday in an interview conducted by billionaire Warren Buffett in Omaha, Nebraska. “If you have losses, you are supposed to bear responsibility.”

Bank executives, who tapped taxpayers amid losses in 2008, are under pressure from lawmakers to keep compensation in check as profits return. Lloyd Blankfein, the chief executive officer of Paulson’s old firm, Goldman Sachs Group Inc., turned in record profit in 2009 and received a $9 million all-stock bonus, about one-seventh the size of his 2007 award.

“During benign periods, I think compensation levels on Wall Street are out of whack,” Paulson said to an audience of more than 2,400 people at a lunch meeting organized by the Omaha chamber of commerce. “I would have these conversations with Wendy all the time,” Paulson said, referring to his wife.

Paulson led Goldman Sachs for seven years before joining George W. Bush’s cabinet. In the first half of 2006, he turned in what was then the biggest profit in Wall Street history. Paulson stepped down after a career at the firm with stock and restricted shares valued at more than $500 million. He sold the stake to ease his confirmation, saving on capital gains taxes under a rule meant to avoid penalizing wealthy people who take government jobs.

Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-05-24 07:55:47

Were Fannie and Freddie converted to Paulson’s SuperSiv? Remember the MLEC?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 09:33:29

“…saving on capital gains taxes under a rule meant to avoid penalizing wealthy people who take government jobs.”

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)

“I would have these conversations with Wendy all the time,” Paulson said, referring to his wife.

(why are we to assume it’s THAT Wendy? ) :-)

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-24 10:18:04

Sorta like the heads of the five Mafia families complaining about the younger generation having no discipline or honor.

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-05-24 19:01:25

Pro forma crocodile tears.

That’s all I see from the the politicians and banksters.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 07:03:55

* The Wall Street Journal
* EUROPE MARKETS
* MAY 24, 2010, 8:44 A.M. ET

Libor Hits Highest Level Since July

By NEELABH CHATURVEDI

LONDON—The cost of borrowing dollars for three months raced to its highest level since July last year Monday, and analysts said the London interbank offered rate will remain at elevated levels in the near term as the euro-zone debt crisis sparks demand for dollars and fans worries over the health of banks’ balance sheets.

Data from the British Bankers’ Association showed the three-month U.S. dollar Libor rose to 0.50969% from Friday’s 0.49688%. The sterling rate was also higher at 0.70188%, from 0.70000%.The euro rate fell to 0.63438% from 0.63625% Friday.

Monday’s dollar Libor fixing was the first above 0.5% for almost 10 months. While money-market rates haven’t galloped to the levels seen during the days of the global financial crisis, there have been signs of unease. Investor anxiety was underscored after the Spanish central bank had to seize control of a regional lender over the weekend.

The spread between the three-month dollar Libor and overnight index swaps, a barometer of market stress, widened to 0.0284 percentage point points Monday from 0.0266 percentage points Friday. Forward spreads point to a further widening between Libor and overnight swaps.

“The money markets are saying that whilst banks currently have a liquidity buffer, this will run out in three months,” Credit Agricole said in a research note.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 07:05:06

Don’t — trust — Gollum:

WaMu Chief Killinger Didn’t Trust Goldman Sachs, E-Mails Show
April 14, 2010, 12:03 AM EDT

By Christine Harper

April 14 (Bloomberg) — Washington Mutual Inc.’s former Chief Executive Officer, Kerry Killinger, didn’t trust Goldman Sachs Group Inc. to give the bank advice in 2007 as it slid toward collapse, according to e-mail released by congressional investigators.

“I don’t trust Goldy on this,” Killinger wrote in an Oct. 12, 2007, e-mail reply to Todd Baker, Washington Mutual’s executive vice president for corporate strategy and development. “They are smart, but this is swimming with the sharks. They were shorting mortgages big time while they were giving CfC advice,” he said, referring to Countrywide Financial Corp., the home lender that ran short of cash the same year.

The e-mail exchange shows that concern about conflicts between investment banking and trading may have hurt Goldman Sachs’s ability to win business. Seattle-based WaMu became the biggest lender to fail in U.S. history in September, 2008.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 07:06:45

Bloomberg
Soros Says U.S. Bank ‘Oligopoly’ Should Be Broken Up (Update1)
April 13, 2010, 5:39 PM EDT
(Adds Soros’s bank holdings in third paragraph.)

By Gabi Thesing

April 13 (Bloomberg) — Billionaire investor George Soros said the “oligopoly” formed by the four biggest U.S. banks “does need to be broken up.”

Soros, speaking today at an event in London organized by the Economist magazine, also said he is “in favor” of the so- called Volcker rule, a U.S. proposal to block banks from engaging in proprietary trading and owning hedge funds or private-equity operations.

Financials accounted for 6.6 percent of Soros Fund Management LLC’s U.S. stock holdings during the fourth quarter, according to a regulatory filing. Citigroup Inc. was the hedge fund’s fifth-largest stake as of Dec. 31, with 94.7 million shares.

The U.S. Senate’s banking panel in March approved Senator Christopher Dodd’s financial-rules overhaul, advancing the Obama administration’s bid for the biggest restructuring of Wall Street oversight in seven decades.

The bill proposed by Dodd, a Democrat from Connecticut, would create a consumer protection bureau at the Federal Reserve. It also would set up a mechanism that enables the government to dismantle failed firms that threaten the financial system, and implement the Volcker rule, named for former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker.

Soros Fund Management, based in New York, oversees about $25 billion.

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 14:11:54

Jeez Kerry, I’m sure if Goldman wasn’t shorting MBS everything would have been just fine. Why doesn’t KK just STFU and move ON… already.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 07:11:57

If shadow inventory appears to be seeing the light of day in a big way now, just wait until after the effects of the first-time buyer credit wear off — you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

Economic Report

May 24, 2010, 10:01 a.m. EDT
Existing home sales rise 7.6% on tax credit
Inventories surge 11.5% to 4.04 million, suggesting glut of supply

By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Resales of homes in the United States rose 7.6% in April to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.77 million as buyers rushed to complete sales before a tax credit expires, according to data released Monday by the National Association of Realtors.

Inventories surged 11.5% to 4.04 million in April, an “unwelcome” development, said Lawrence Yun, chief economist for the real estate agents’ lobbying group.

The inventory level represented an 8.4-month supply at the April sales pace. Inventories typically rise in April, but this year’s gain was bigger than usual, Yun said. The inventory data are not seasonally adjusted.

Yun said the elevated inventories suggest that prices won’t rise much over the next year or two.

The trend in sales prices has stabilized over the past four months, Yun said. The median price is up 4% in the past year at $173,100.

It’s not clear what’s behind the increase in homes for sale, he said. It could be pent-up supply from homeowners who’ve wanted to sell but didn’t think the market was right. That would imply pent-up demand. But it’s also possible that investors are putting their properties on the market because they aren’t getting the cash flow they need.

Supply of foreclosures and short sales has been steady, Yun said. Sales of “distressed” homes, including foreclosures and short sales, accounted for 33% of sales in April, compared with 45% a year ago.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 07:28:56

“It could be pent-up supply from homeowners who’ve wanted to sell but didn’t think the market was right. That would imply pent-up demand.”

Wouldn’t that be pent-up supply (aka ’shadow inventory’)?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 07:30:02

I am confused how a big jump in the extant inventory of used homes for sale implies pent-up demand? Somebody please help me out here.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-05-24 07:56:26

That that bush fuzzy math creeping in.

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Comment by nycjoe
2010-05-24 08:37:16

Pent-up fear of being priced out forever — again?

I have seen a rush of sales in my nabe in Queens over the past couple of months. Prices about the same as at the peak.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-05-24 11:55:18

You got to hand it to the NAR. They are good at what they do. Suzanne wil always be with us!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-05-24 08:03:11

LOL, an “unwelcome” development! Also laughing about “it’s not clear what’s behind the increase in homes for sale!”

Got treasury bills?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 07:16:43

MarketWatch First Take
May 24, 2010, 9:58 a.m. EDT

God’s actual bankers behaved a lot like Lehman’s
Commentary: Better regulation is the key to financial health
By MarketWatch

LONDON (MarketWatch) — With due respect to Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s Lloyd Blankfein, CajaSur has a better claim to be God’s actual bankers, with six priests on a 21-person board.

And look what they did — load up on property investments, and refuse to merge with a stronger rival when the chips were down. See CajaSur story.

Basically, the priests acted the same way as Dick Fuld of Lehman Brothers, minus Repo 105.

Global markets are seeing selling pressure again as concerns about Europe’s debt crisis reassert themselves. Spain’s nationalization of a regional bank has contributed to the anxiety, Dow Jones Newswires’s Paul Vigna and Micheal Reid report.

That tells one of two things (or a little of both) — that those of the cloth are no less greedy than Wall Street bankers, or that even those with enviable moral fiber are prone to make the same mistakes as those whose idea of a higher calling is a cell-phone connection on a private jet.

In either case, the conclusion is the way to fight systemic banking system risk is not through better management but through better regulation — the bankers either can’t or won’t help themselves.

And to be fair, the Bank of Spain has a claim to be regarded as a better regulator than most.

 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-05-24 07:46:48

The euro is plunging again.

May 24 (Bloomberg) — The euro declined, erasing all of last week’s advance against the dollar, as the Bank of Spain’s takeover of a failed lender drove concern that the region’s sovereign debt crisis may stall global growth.

The euro fell as much as 1.8 percent before trading at $1.2361 at 9:47 a.m. in New York, from $1.2570 on May 21. Last week’s advance of 1.7 percent from $1.2358 on May 14 was the biggest since September….

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-05-24 07:50:53

Perhaps Sarah Ferguson could get her ex-husband to do something about the pesky Euro dropping. You have to pay her in pounds, though. From what I can see she has been getting paid in pounds for many years. I don’t know why she had to go looking for bribes. She rarely seems to have a shortage of pounds.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-05-24 07:58:10

Talk about a loser.She has hit rock bottom.Maybe its time for a real job?

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-24 08:16:32

The Euro was designed to trade at $1.10 when introduced. Wake me up when we get there.

At one point, I recall $1.00 = 1 Euro = 100 yen.

Comment by nycjoe
2010-05-24 08:39:39

Maybe around the time we clear up that little national debt of ours?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 11:49:33

Bloomberg
Euro Falls as Bank Failure in Spain Fuels Debt Losses Concern
May 24, 2010, 1:43 PM EDT

By Oliver Biggadike and Ben Levisohn

May 24 (Bloomberg) — The euro declined, erasing most of last week’s advance against the dollar, on speculation European financial institutions face the prospect of losses from Greek debt holdings after regulators seized a Spanish bank.

The 16-nation currency dropped versus the greenback for the first time in four days as volatility in major foreign-exchange rates fell, encouraging demand for higher-yielding assets. The Chilean peso gained as copper rose. Yuan forwards appreciated as President Hu Jintao said China will move gradually and independently in making changes to its exchange-rate mechanism.

“A lot of the uncertainty isn’t surrounding Greece anymore, it’s about the banking sector,” said Robert Sinche, chief strategist at investment firm Lily Pond Capital Management LLC in New York. “That the euro’s bounce wasn’t greater given the preponderance of short positions would suggest that it has more downside.”

The euro fell as much as 1.8 percent to $1.2346 before trading at $1.2410 at 1:36 p.m. in New York, from $1.2570 on May 21. Japan’s yen strengthened 0.9 percent to 112.16 per euro, from 113.13, and traded at 90.38 per dollar, compared with 90.

The common currency rose 1.7 percent last week, the biggest gain since September, as investors who bet on its decline had to buy back the currency to cover short positions. A short is a bet the price of an asset will decline. Investors cover shorts when the asset is purchased to exit the bet.

 
 
Comment by 45north
2010-05-24 08:07:02

I pray that BP can shut down the oil leak in the Gulf.

In 2007, my sister bought in Cape Coral FL. Somehow in the last month she decided to double down and bought on Marcos Island and rent the place in Cape Coral. You know like ride out the storm.

Comment by Kim
2010-05-24 08:33:20

“I pray that BP can shut down the oil leak in the Gulf.”

Me too, but not because I give a damn about real estate prices.

Evidently prayer was BP’s #1 action plan as well.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-24 11:36:17

:lol: Got that right!

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-24 10:03:08

Much progress is being made: each time I see a BP executive speak, he has new PowerPoint charts and posters behind him, so clearly things are going well… As for the spill itself, that won’t prevent people from being paid their bonuses, so they’ll fix it when they feel like it.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-24 10:13:08

Well, they could print out those PowerPoints and use them to sop up the spill.

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2010-05-24 11:13:04

I have a note on one Cape Coral house and am about to have another. Closing later this week. The difference is, my notes represent 2010 prices not 2007. Like, $40 per square foot in the (2010) transaction prices, of which $32/sf is my loan.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-05-24 08:22:38

From john Mauldins weekly letter, it has a chart showing even though the FED has loaned 1.25T into the economy Banks are not lending like they used to. This is the big picture of why I expect little inflation any time soon. Money is loaned into the economy and too much money and inflation follows like we saw with the housing bubble. Too many loans chasing too few homes.
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Now, notice that with both graphs you see a large increase beginning in the middle of 2008 as the Fed pumped the money supply in order to inject liquidity into the system. This was basically the $1.25 trillion purchase of mortgages, but toward the end even that was not boosting the money supply as much as it did in the beginning. Why? Partially, because of the following graph.

This shows total commercial lending at US banks. It is down almost 25% in less than a year and a half. Notice that in the last recession commercial lending dropped by “only” 18% in 3.5 years.

Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-05-24 12:06:11

There was never an exit strategy. And it was never temporary. Plus, they’ll probably monetize more debt before this is over. Cash is trash.

May 24 (Bloomberg) — The Federal Reserve doesn’t intend to sell any of its securities, including more than $1.1 trillion in mortgage-backed securities, until after it begins raising interest rates, the central bank said in a report to Congress.

“The Federal Reserve currently does not anticipate that it will sell any of its securities holding in the near term, at least until after policy tightening has gotten under way and the economy is clearly in a sustainable recovery,” the Fed in its annual report, which was posted on its Web site today.

Comment by packman
2010-05-24 12:37:58

Basically admitting then that when Ben said a couple of months ago that he intended to start selling MBS soon he was lying through his teeth.

And this is the entity Congress is giving more power to.

Nice.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 16:54:42

Fed “exit strategy”: Jawbone endlessly about when it will happen, while delaying action as long as possible.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 10:11:47

What do pilots call the phenomenon of a plane racing straight up, then running out of gas? I am thinking of “stalling,” but is there a fancier term?

Existing home sales soar in April
By Hibah Yousuf, staff reporterMay 24, 2010: 12:18 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Existing home sales soared in April as home buyers scrambled to claim the tax credit that expired at the end of the month, according to a real estate industry report released Monday.

The National Association of Realtors reported that existing home sales jumped 7.6% last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.77 million units, up from the upwardly revised rate of 5.36 million in March. Sales year-over-year were up 22.8%.

The gain was widely anticipated, but still beat forecasts. Analysts surveyed by Briefing.com were looking for resales in April to rise to an annual rate of 5.65 million units.

The upswing in April existing-home sales was expected because of the tax credit inducement, and no doubt there will be some temporary fallback in the months immediately after it expires, but other factors also are supporting the market,” said Lawrence Yun, NAR chief economist. “For people who were on the sidelines, there’s been a return of buyer confidence with stabilizing home prices, an improving economy and mortgage interest rates that remain historically low.

Comment by Kim
2010-05-24 11:28:56

Next up: “June Home Sales ‘Unexpectedly’ Low”

Comment by measton
2010-05-24 11:50:40

Nope Junes headline will read

The average sale price of a new home increases.

Why?

Because teh tax credit was most beneficial to those who pruchased lower priced homes. The sales mix will now revert and the higher priced homes will assume a larger percentage of total sales.

In the fine print you will read about the number of sales dropping off a cliff.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 16:53:40

The drop in quality-adjusted values should show up in the Case-Shiller/S&P index.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2010-05-24 17:14:10

By the time it actually shows up in the index, we will be 2 months down the road (the February data was released April 27th–April data won’t be released until late June).

If the home tax credit has the same impact as the cash-for-clunkers, we may see sales volume recover by then, or at least be on the road to recovery.

I think in hindsight, the tax credit expiring is going to be the same yawn as the Fed stopping their purchase of MBS. Lots of speculation about the massive impact, but no lasting effect.

If you really want to see a change, stop Fannie and Freddie from guarantying new loans…now that will have an impact.

 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-05-24 20:02:40

I am seeing a precipitous drop in high-end sales prices in a couple of good Sacramento neighborhoods. A bunch of those “pent up” sellers put their houses on the market for high asking prices and are lowering them as they compete with one another. Hopefully Sacramento presages the rest of the country. We’re bottoming out faster than most places.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-24 11:40:24

“Stall turn”

But it isn’t because of running out of gas, but the lack power to achieve higher altitude and ultimately escape velocity (7mps)

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 11:48:13

In this case, the fuel supply was also cut, in the form of phasing out the $8K first-time buyer credit.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-24 15:07:32

Yep. April’s numbers look good. That was a full month ago. May’s might be sustained as it’s the traditional “buy for the summer move” season.

But I wouldn’t bet on anything right now. Except… more unexpected. :lol:

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Comment by az_lender
2010-05-24 11:17:58

A couple of days ago, I was shocked to see how many HBB people were standing up for Rand Paul’s remarks about businesses’ deserving the right to discriminate.

I’m a big libertarian and fan of Rand and Ron, but I go along with George Will and Rich Lowry and David Boaz, all very conservative but completely opposed to RP’s remarks on this subject.

Then it occurred to me that it could be a generational thing. So many of you are under 40 that you don’t remember the White lunch counters, nor do you remember how hard it was for women to get any job other than teacher or nurse.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-24 11:42:18

Racial discrimination is alive and well in this country… by everyone.

It’s just more civilized.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-05-24 11:52:11

It’s important to remember that Libertarians really care about only one thing: property rights. Everything else can pretty much go to hell.

Comment by drumminj
2010-05-24 13:03:08

Everything else can pretty much go to hell.

Nice straw man.

What right of yours is violated if I refuse to do business with you? Do your rights change depending on the reason I refuse to do business with you? If so, why?

Today, you supposedly have a right for me not to discriminate on doing business with you because of the color of your skin…but I can discriminate based on your height. How is it reasonable that one physical attribute is protected but another isn’t?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-05-24 13:04:39

Strawman? Heck, I’ve been told this by libertarians.

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Comment by drumminj
2010-05-24 13:12:52

Heck, I’ve been told this by libertarians.

By *some* Libertarians. You’re painting with a very broad brush here.

 
 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-05-24 13:55:17

Well, if you’re a hospital, and I’m bleeding to death, that’s a problem.

If no business in town will do business with you, or employ you, because of your race, that’s a problem.

If the electric company with it’s monopoly power won’t do business with you because of your race, that’s a problem.

Race based discrimination, for any reason, is just flat wrong.

As much as I like most libertarian ideas, Rand Paul screwed the pooch on this one. He deserves to go down in flames.

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Comment by drumminj
2010-05-24 16:55:43

Race based discrimination, for any reason, is just flat wrong.

Russ, you’ve not justified WHY it’s wrong, and why these businesses are compelled to serve a certain clientele.

I’d ask that we not consider government-sponsored monopolies, as I think that falls under the purview of public agencies not discriminating….let’s keep the scope only to true private entities, if that’s okay….

 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-24 12:16:34

I remember my grade school music teacher telling the class about the “Whites Only” sign she saw on a laundromat in North Carolina. We kids weren’t at all surprised at her reaction. She marched right inside and gave the white owner a piece of her mind.

Don’t think that caused him to take the sign down, but we kids learned a little something about having the courage to stand up for yourself and your people.

Comment by drumminj
2010-05-24 13:05:11

No one’s saying people shouldn’t stand up for what they feel is right. Raise a stink, boycott, etc. People do for all kinds of reasons, and are effective.

It’s a wholly different beast for government to FORCE you to enter a business relationship with another person.

 
Comment by jim
2010-05-24 13:08:28

Are you sure it wasnt about them just using a lot of bleach when they washed your clothes? ;)

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-05-24 14:10:48

That reminds me of playing rock music in a high school gym in the deep south in the late 80s. There was nobody in there, and we were getting set up. I was walking around on the bleachers and saw that one section was labeled “Black”, and the other was “White”. I was thinking “Holy Crap! We’re not in Kansas any more!”. I kept walking and then next section was Green, then Blue, etc. :-).

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Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-24 11:35:10

An interesting observation from today’s JHK weekly post:

“A New Urbanist developer had gotten a small project going for a traditional neighborhood. Despite the global financial clusterf*ck, the developer was able to meet the payments of his commercial loan. But the FDIC sent bank examiners around America and they told the small regional banks that if they had more than twenty percent of their loans in commercial real estate (CRE) they would be put out of business. The banks were ordered to reduce their loads of CRE by calling in the loans and liquidating the assets. Ironically, the banks only called in their “performing” loans, the ones that were being regularly paid off, because they were ignoring and even concealing the ones that weren’t being paid.”

“The developer in question had his loan called in when the FDIC descended on his bank. He couldn’t pay off the $3 million in one lump, of course. The FDIC’s agents are going to seize and sell off his project if he can’t get it refinanced in short order. He can’t get it refinanced because there is now such a shortage of capital in the banking system that no one can get a loan for anything. Also, since it is now well-known that the bank failed, the vultures are circling above his project hoping to buy it for a discount, so even the few private investors who have money won’t throw him a lifeline. By the way, the FDIC agents told him they are doing this because they now expect that virtually all commercial real estate loans in the USA will fail in the months ahead.”

Comment by jim
2010-05-24 13:04:59

REferences?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-24 15:13:09

Self fulfilling prophecy?

That stinks. WTH? I’m tempted to blame the FDIC, but as stated, the banks called in the performing loans so as to conceal the non-performing when is should have been the non-performers who got called and liquidated.

Another good indicator of what may be a massive amount of shadow inventory.

 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-05-24 11:48:20

Hey eco -

I’d like to hear your opinion of Bill White’s tenure as mayor of Houston. I heard him speak yesterday in Rockport and I was impressed, but I’d like to hear a Houstonite’s point of view.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-05-24 11:48:41

Short BP.

 
Comment by michael
2010-05-24 11:58:17

yahoo has an article explaining how the european debt crisis is great news for mortgage rates.

sick.

 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-05-24 12:17:53

It’s mutual fund Monday and the market can’t catch a bid. This is going to get messy. Dire straits, I say.

I want my PPT….
End of day rally?
Money for nothing.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 12:24:14

Filed under: “America” …a Nation of Savers…without Savings” :-)

BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™)

Starving for Yield on Savings
by Laura Rowley,Yahoo Finance
Wednesday, May 19, 2010

“it’s bad news for the nation’s savers, who continue to subsidize the government’s economic stimulus efforts to the tune of billions of dollars.

Americans who chose to save instead of buying homes they could not afford or cashing out their equity to splurge on luxuries during the real estate boom need a Robin Hood at the Fed, because they’re the ones getting robbed to pay for the recovery. Conservative places to park cash — savings, money markets and certificates of deposit — are still paying well below the inflation rate of 2.2 percent. As of this week, savings accounts are averaging returns of 0.20 percent; one-year CDs are yielding 0.77 percent, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.

“The Fed is determined to keep rates very low, and while it’s painted as fiscal stimulus I think it’s really a stealth bailout of the banks,” says Richard Barrington, a certified financial analyst and expert with the bank comparison site Money-Rates.com. U.S. savers have lost $140 billion in purchasing power to inflation over the 12 months ending in March, according to a Money-Rates study released last month.

“If you tried to raise $140 billion in taxes there would be massive outrage and protests but they’ve taken the equivalent of that out of the pockets of depositors by keeping rates below inflation,” Barrington says. “Depositors are really getting the shaft in this environment and it’s something that’s not really talked about. There’s sympathy for borrowers who are overextended, but they contributed to the financial problem. The sympathy should be with people who did the right thing and saved their money, and are getting teeny tiny interest rates.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-24 12:45:43

The other thing that really frosts my cornflakes are the increases in time before your funds are available. As in, you deposit a check today, you’d better not write any checks against it for a week. Or else it might bounce and your being-bailed-out institution will charge you all sorts of fees.

That and the opt-in for overdraft protection. I just got one of those notices in the mail. From my take on the sitch, you have to opt in so that, oh, horror-of-horrors, if there’s not enough money in your account when you go to the ATM or use your debit card, you won’t get the dreaded “transaction declined” message. And, yes, the overdraft protection isn’t free. You can get hit with all sorts of fees.

Well, seems to me that if you don’t have enough money in your account to do what you want to do, well, buster, you’d better wait until you do have enough money. That’s how things used to work.

Comment by Rancher
2010-05-24 13:58:10

Your bank privileges are directly related to the size of your accounts and your balances. Good
banks will do anything to keep good accounts.

We can and do write checks that would ordinarily bounce before we could transfer funds from one account to another. Our bank, knowing this, gives us an enormous overdraft protection at no charge.

Plus we can draw down on any checks we deposit immediately.

If your bank will not extend these services to you, go bank shopping.

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-24 15:12:35

Rancher,

None too sure about that. Maybe it’s different on S. OR ( and I’m sure it is ) but in most areas the turnover is so high nobody at the bank gives a rip how big your account is.

Not in the Loan Store/Brokered CD banking model. Slim is right, you want to make sure the check has been deposited for awhile before you draw against it. Total PITA.

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Comment by measton
2010-05-24 13:07:41

I’ve made very nice returns against the deflating housing market which is where my money will go at some point.

 
Comment by michael
2010-05-24 13:29:33

the forgotten man.

 
 
Comment by ylekiot1
2010-05-24 12:50:05

Question for you hbbers. I have a house that I could finally get pmi dropped. However, I was wondering if holding onto pmi might be a good idea if things get really out of control this fall for a worst case scenerio in a large price drop. Open to your comments…thanks in advance….

Comment by Chris M
2010-05-24 14:42:18

PMI doesn’t do anything at all for the borrower. It only protects the lender. There is absolutely no reason to pay it if they don’t require it.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-05-24 14:49:15

I don’t think I understand the question. PMI doesn’t pay out to you in the event your property value drops. You’re paying those insurance premiums for your lender’s benefit. IIRC, having PMI likely won’t save your credit rating if TSHTF and you default down the road either. So get rid of it ASAP if you can. Congress was trying to change the rules to make lenders eliminate it automatically once borrowers hit the 20% equity threshold, but I don’t know if that ever went anywhere. Read the fine print because you may not be able to cancel it if the value of your home has dropped or if your loan is “subprime”.

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-05-24 13:09:34

Although gasoline prices are dropping ahead of the Memorial Day weekend and the start of the summer driving season, there’s no sign motorists are rushing back to the pump to top off their tanks.

Data released Monday by the Federal Highway Administration show the number of miles driven on U.S. roads rose in March compared with February, but still was below March 2009, in the depths of the recession.

There is no sign of anything more than a modest increase in demand for gasoline so far this year. Last week’s MasterCard SpendingPulse report showed consumption of gasoline for the first two weeks of May running about 1.3 percent ahead of last year. For the year, consumption has risen about 1 percent.

Demand is 4 percent below 2007 levels, according to the MasterCard data, which tallies total gas sales paid by credit card, checks and cash.

Drivers are logging about the same number of miles as they did in 2005. Analysts say the stubbornly high unemployment rate, muted consumer confidence and, until recently, rising gasoline prices have held back driving and gasoline demand.

I wonder what these numbers would look like if you took out highway construction, which consumes massive amounts of oil.

Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-24 14:04:10

“Drivers are logging about the same number of miles as they did in 2005.”

Possible, but given unemployment and wages, I’d guess both the number of drivers and miles driven is down versus 2005.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-24 15:17:39

“Drivers are logging about the same number of miles as they did in 2005.”

I’m sure as hell not. Not even close. As gas prices haven’t dropped anywhere near enough to justify a “rush” back to the gas pumps. (where do they find these hack writers?)

Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-24 16:53:29

And if drivers are somehow driving the same number miles as in 2005, then the number of drivers has dropped significantly with traffic still noticeably less than in 2005 as it has been for a few years now.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 13:21:14

Since Yun and others are declaring the housing correction over, there should be no further need for the Fed to prop up the market by holding on to all those MBS they snapped up at fire sale prices. When will they start to unwind those positions?

Tax credit’s last hurrah?
Home sales up in April, but swelling inventories could undermine prices
By Inman News, Monday, May 24, 2010.

Inman News

The federal homebuyer tax credit helped boost existing-home sales again in April, but total housing inventory swelled as homes came on the market faster than they were sold, the National Association of Realtors said today.

With the homebuyer tax credit gone — buyers had to be under contract by April 30 to claim it — NAR Chief Economist Lawrence Yun acknowledged that “no doubt there will be some temporary fallback” in coming months.

But Yun said other factors continue to support housing markets — including mortgage rates that remain near historic lows, and an improving economy and buyer confidence — and that “the housing price correction appears essentially over.

CLICK!

Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-24 14:09:36

“But Yun said other factors continue to support housing markets — including mortgage rates that remain near historic lows, and an improving economy and buyer confidence — and that “the housing price correction appears essentially over.””

That’s a quote to file away.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 19:43:36

FunYun and other real estate “experts” seem to expect the zombie GSEs to be able to continuously prop up home prices. I am expecting them to be shut down once the economy recovers, and many other real estate subsidies to be repealed, as we have reached a tipping point from which reversion to sanity is a likely way forward.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-24 16:26:33

Colorado mass layoffs jump in April
Denver Business Journal

The number of Colorado businesses that laid off 50 or more employees at a time fell jumped in April to 20, the highest single-month total in four months, the U.S. Department of Labor reported.

The total of 20 Colorado companies that announced “mass layoffs” for the month was up from seven in March, 10 in February and 13 in January, the Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics said in its monthly report on large-scale job cuts.

There were 24 mass layoffs in Colorado in December 2009, 14 in November, 19 in October, 14 in September and five in August. The August total was an 11-month low.

BLS said that 2,269 Colorado workers filed for unemployment insurance as a result of mass layoffs in April, up from 626 in March, 706 in February, 1,301 in January and 1,941 in December.

The state figures are not seasonally adjusted.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 21:50:45

The total of 20 Colorado companies…

That would be significant South Carolina I’m sure, especially if it include Saks 5th Ave,… :-)

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 16:46:25

I guess in an international financial system that operates like a casino gambling piracy cartel, above the rule of law, gambling on endangered species extinctions makes perfectly good sense? Why not place a bet, then get out your gun and go hunting in order to hedge it? I am wondering if Gollum is going to participate in the extinction sweepstakes?

* May 24, 2010, 3:46 PM GMT

Paddy Power Seeks To Cash In On Marine Life Extinction
By Quentin Fottrell

This time, Paddy Power may have gone too far. In a press statement entitled “Ridley Turtle Tipped For Oily Exit” the plucky Irish bookmaker is taking bets on which marine species will first become extinct due to the month-long oil spill disaster in the Gulf of Mexico.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 21:44:45

“In what must be considered spectacularly bad luck, this particular species of turtle migrates to the Gulf of Mexico at this exact time of year.”

Let’s update Sarah “The Barracuda” …”I want to be President!”resume:

Leak here baby!, Leak here…right now! ;-)

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 16:51:01

Big banks use capital efficiently alright — provided the objective use of said capital is to cast it into the sea, in order to claim the right to bailouts.

* May 24, 2010, 10:09 AM GMT

Breaking Up Big Banks Could Make Future Crises Worse

By Lauren Mills

Vince Cable, UK Business Secretary, wants to break up the big banks

Renée Schultes, Deputy Editor of Financial News, has an interesting take on the potential consequences of breaking up the big banks.

She says:

“The United Kingdom has drawn a new line in the sand between “us and them”. And it has nothing to do with the euro zone or budget deficits.

Instead, the Conservative-Liberal Democrat government has set out plans for the creation of a commission to consider the arguments for breaking up big banks into a collection of smaller, less systemically important institutions.

But there are reasons to believe such a plan could actually make future crises worse.

Policymakers around the world are united in their goal to prevent the rise of banks deemed too big to fail. Last week the U.S. Senate voted through a raft of changes in the financial reform bill but stopped short of forcing a break-up of the country’s largest banks.

In Europe there has been a preference for imposing higher capital requirements and caps on leverage to limit the growth in bank balance sheets. Meanwhile the UK is charting a different, and potentially dangerous, course. The U.K. commission, advocated strongly by, among others, business secretary Vince Cable, will consider whether retail and investment banking activities should be separated. Cable argues that retail banks have no business engaging in riskier investment banking activities.

However large diversified banks are good for market stability. Markets like Australia and Canada, where a small number of large banks dominate, showed this during the crisis. Large banks also use capital more efficiently than a collection of smaller institutions without economies of scale.

BULLSH!T. HOW CAN YOU TELL WHETHER BIG BANKS THAT GOT BAILED OUT ARE EFFICIENT OR NOT? LET ‘EM FAIL IF THEY THROW AWAY MONEY, THEN SEE HOW EFFICIENTLY THEY USE CAPITAL.

Comment by neuromance
2010-05-24 19:13:32

It’s as though big banks are rare, sacrosanct entities which cannot be replaced, each like a California condor.

The reality is that big banks are like trees. Let one topple and others will quickly jump to replace it. The next one being hardier and healthier than the behemoth it replaces.

There ought to be a logging program for banks.

The concept that a society like ours cannot quickly replace banking capacity is really quite absurd, in light of how many lending operations are sprouting up the world over.

The reality I believe is there is a clubbiness at the top, as the people driving the bailouts are bankers, and of course, they have a completely bank-centric view of the economy. Which explains quite a bit.

An economy built around the financial engineering/casino capitalism/socialize the losses and privatize the profits model is not going to slowly decay into oligarchy.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 19:25:43

“The reality is that big banks are like trees.”

They become more valuable when you chop them up into pieces.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 21:39:52

Here is a Taoist hint: Bad Tree…vs…Good Tree. :-)

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 19:28:07

“The reality I believe is there is a clubbiness at the top, as the people driving the bailouts are bankers, and of course, they have a completely bank-centric view of the economy.”

They have a Megabank-centric lock on the flow of campaign contributions to Congress.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 17:54:03

The global Dow is rapidly seeking a lower equilibrium level. There has never been a better time to sell all your stocks and hide your money under a mattress.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 21:35:25

“…There has never been a better time to sell all your stocks and hide your money under a mattress.”

Sorry, I made my “investment” last week…It did not involve “selling”. :-)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-25 00:19:34

Yawn…wake me up from hibernation when this global stock market spin cycle has finished wringing the last drop of unliberated equity out of some corner of the systemically risky, contagion-prone, too-big-to-fail, symbiotically-coupled global economy.

market pulse

May 25, 2010, 3:04 a.m. EDT

European shares fall sharply in early trading
By Sarah Turner

LONDON (MarketWatch) — European shares dropped on Tuesday, with miners and banks taking the brunt of the selling as investors continued to fret that sovereign debt will curtail economic growth. Credit Agricole (FR:ACA 8.93, -0.47, -4.98%) shares fell 4.8% while Kazakhmys (UK:KAZ 1,079, -47.00, -4.17%) shares fell 5.3%. The U.K. FTSE index lost 2.6% to 4,939.86, the German DAX index fell 2.6% to 5,656.17 and the French CAC-40 index fell 2.8% to 3,334.45.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 17:59:26

Is the Fed in on this deal? One certainly can hold out hope…

market pulse

May 24, 2010, 6:57 p.m. EDT
Australia currency firm accused of bribery: report
By Benjamin Pimentel

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) - A company firm partly owned by the Reserve Bank of Australia has been accused of hiring prostitutes and paying bribes to foreign officials in order to win banknote supply contracts, the Sydney Morning Herald reported Monday. Securency International, the reserve bank’s polymer currency company, is under investigation by the Australian Federal Police for allegedly bribing officials in such countries as Nigeria, Malaysia and Vietnam, the newspaper said.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 19:24:35

I would like to thank the WSJ editors for shining a bright light on the institutionalized systemic theft operation which our banking system has become. Unfortunately, as this Op-ed piece explains, the financial reform bill essentially allows crony capitalistic banking business to continue as usual, at the cost of long term destruction of the real U.S. economy.

BTW, does anyone else find it highly peculiar that the Wall Street Journal is taking the largest banks on Wall Street to task regarding so-called ‘financial reform’?

* The Wall Street Journal
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* MAY 24, 2010

The New Lords of Finance
Why Wall Street and Washington both like ‘reform.’

If you think the lobbying is intense while Congress considers financial reform legislation, wait until the President signs it. That is when the real battle will begin to shape the new rules of Wall Street.

The unifying theme of the Senate bill that passed last week and the House bill of last year is to hand even more discretion and authority to the same regulators who failed to foresee and in many cases created the last crisis. The Democrats who wrote the bill are selling it as new discipline for Wall Street, but Wall Street knows better. The biggest banks support the bill, and the parts they don’t like they will lobby furiously to change or water down.

Big Finance will more than hold its own with Big Government, as it always does, while politicians will have more power to exact even more campaign tribute. The losers are the overall economy, as financial costs rise, and taxpayers when the next bailout arrives.

This new power for Washington flows from the politically convenient Washington analysis that a lack of regulation caused the financial panic. A popular talking point among Members of Congress is that Wall Street is less regulated than a Las Vegas casino. Notwithstanding the illustrious history of the Nevada Gaming Commission, this is unfair to pit bosses.

To take one example: Washington has failed to prove that derivatives caused the crisis, yet even if one believes that they did, they were hardly unregulated. Look at the list of the largest derivatives dealers—all banks—and you’ll see institutions regulated by the Federal Reserve and the Securities and Exchange Commission. Were regulators barred from examining derivatives books? Not at all.

The Treasury Department, whose Office of Thrift Supervision regulated AIG and blessed its derivatives bets, will now gain even more power as its Secretary chairs the new Financial Stability Oversight Council under the Senate bill. The Fed, author of the loose monetary policy that created the bubble and overseer of Citigroup and its off-balance-sheet adventures, will now oversee even more institutions. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, which allowed its member banks to load up on stratospheric levels of real-estate loans, will now replace bankruptcy judges in managing the collapse of a large financial firm.

These new lords of finance look an awful lot like the old lords of regulation, but with much more discretion to write the rules as they please. In a market crying out for clearer rules, Washington is about to make the standards even more opaque, as subjective regulatory judgment replaces territory once occupied by the rule of law.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-24 20:45:47

BTW, does anyone else find it highly peculiar that the Wall Street Journal is taking the largest banks on Wall Street to task regarding so-called ‘financial reform’?

Mouthpiece of the banksters saying any regulation placed on the banksters is counterproductive and absurd. Not peculiar at all, unless you’re gullible enough to believe the WSJ actually wants what’s best for main street, as opposed to what’s best for Wall Street.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 21:55:01

“…for shining a bright light on the institutionalized systemic theft operation which our banking system has become.”

Let’s just forget about Jas Jain & Aladinsane. ;-)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 21:57:21

“…at the cost of long term destruction of the real U.S. economy.”

Ye, of little faith… ;-)

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-25 00:12:53

In the long run, systemically risky too-big-to-fail financial entities, which threaten to destroy the entire global economy, are dead.

In the short run, they are just destructive.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 19:40:17

Holy sh!tstorm! Besides pouring your tax dollars down the real estate rat hole, what does the CEO of Fannie do that is worth over $6 million a year???

The Wall Street Journal
Payday Primer
Select Annual Salaries

Fannie Mae CEO $6,680,806
Freddie Mac CEO $2,076,011
Regional Fed bank presidents (SF & NY) $410,000
POTUS $400,000
Chief Justice, SCOTUS $223,500
Fed Chairman $199,700
Treasury Secretary $199,700

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-24 19:46:59

The Fannie CEO makes more than 33 times the salary of the Treasury Secretary or the Fed Chairman ($6,680,806/$199,700 = 33.45). What is wrong with that picture, especially now that Fannie Mae is a government agency, no longer a private firm?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 21:29:55

The Fannie CEO makes more than 33 times the salary of the Treasury Secretary or the Fed Chairman ($6,680,806/$199,700 = 33.45).

What is wrong with that picture…

“Rosebud…Rupert MUrDoch” :-)

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-25 04:11:36

Easy… just look at their profits!

(wait….uh….nevermind…)

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-24 22:07:30

US Treasuries or land you can pi$$ on… what are the slant eyes thinking, it’s not like their ancestors toiled for nothing, right? ;-)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Full-Section-640-Acres-Nevada-Land-/270570789149?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Land&hash=item3eff46991d

America Baby! …Go Palin/JebShrub III ;-)

 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2010-05-24 23:55:45

Has the unexpected result of us not running out of land been announced yet?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-25 00:14:35

One of my children seems to think he is too-big-to-fail. He is threatening to fail his English class if I don’t continue to type up all his papers for him.

I informed him he is going to learn how to type this summer, whether he likes it or not.

Comment by combotechie
2010-05-25 04:00:23

Let me guess his age: He’s fourteen.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-25 04:09:55

Mr. Bernanke show me the “note,”

New rule says banks must prove ownership before foreclosing

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 11:09 a.m. Sunday, May 23, 2010

Foreclosure filings have backed off this year, dropping 36 percent in Palm Beach County last month compared with March, but it may not be a brightening economy causing the decline.

A new Florida Supreme Court rule requires lenders to verify they are the actual owners of a home before making the initial case for foreclosure.

Show me the “note,” in other words.

The problem is that the notes - legal promises from borrowers to repay a debt - have been sold and resold, bundled into securities, scanned into computers, sealed in unknown vaults and lost in other ways as homes got caught up in the puzzling markets of the real estate boom.

“The original note is something very significant, and they just seem to have lost thousands of them,” said Boca Raton attorney Marlyn Wiener, who handles real estate cases. “Nobody knows where the stuff is.”

The new rule was approved in February with the intention of unclogging the foreclosure courts, which have an estimated statewide backlog of 500,000 cases. It also gives judges power to sanction plaintiffs who make false accusations on the ownership of notes or missing notes.

“Nobody knows where the stuff is.”

Bernanke Admits Printing $1.3 Trillion Out Of Thin Air
By Greg Hunter
USAWatchdog.com

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke admitted the central bank created $1.3 trillion out of thin air to buy mortgage backed securities. This shocking admission came from the Joint Economic Committee hearing on Capital Hill last week. I was dumbfounded when I saw Bernanke shake his head in the affirmative as Representative Ron Paul said, “Well, where did you get the money? You created this money. So you did monetize debt, and that went into the banking system.” I was amazed he admitted this. I looked up the original hearing on C-Span to make sure the clip was not edited. It was not.

 
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