May 26, 2010

Bits Bucket For May 26, 2010

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Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 05:35:23

“”It’s a lethal mix,” Zandi said.

(AP) Since 2006, nearly 5 million homes have been lost to foreclosures or other distressed sales, according to Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. Zandi expects 3 million more to hit the market over the next two years.

Zandi noted that 15 million homeowners still owe more than their homes are worth. And 26 million Americans are either unemployed or underemployed. The underemployed include people who have given up looking for work and part-timers who would prefer to be working full time.

~ Despite all the money the federal government has poured into the real estate market in an effort to jump start it, prices are declining. In the first quarter of 2010, U.S. home prices fell 3.2 percent compared with the fourth quarter.

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-05-26 07:51:30

Forget about the past, stop being so gloomy and focus on the burgeoning housing market recovery and surging durable goods orders. In fact, I suggest you go out and buy some stocks to celebrate the end of the housing slump!

Housing sales nudge stocks farther northward

Street’s in recovery mode

U.S. stocks continue higher after surge into Tuesday’s close. Home-sales and durable-goods reports inspire buying on Wall Street. “Investors may feel slightly relieved,” says market strategist Fred Dickson.

 
Comment by Green Shoots
2010-05-26 07:55:41

“…U.S. home prices fell 3.2 percent compared with the fourth quarter.”

Why does Zandi insist on focusing on the gloomy news, when good news on housing abounds? It’s time to accentuate the positive and downplay the negative, Mark!

Bloomberg
Sales of New Homes in U.S. Jump to Two-Year High (Update2)
May 26, 2010, 10:19 AM EDT

(Updates with economist comment in fourth paragraph.)

By Bob Willis and Timothy R. Homan

May 26 (Bloomberg) — Purchases of new homes in the U.S. jumped in April to the highest level in two years as buyers rushed to qualify for a government tax credit before it expired at the end of the month.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-05-26 11:59:42

“Why does Zandi insist on focusing on the gloomy news, when good news on housing abounds? It’s time to accentuate the positive and downplay the negative, Mark!”

This doesn’t sound like someone who’s focusing on the negative:

“Zandi calls end of housing crash”

“Now is best time to buy in a quarter-century, thanks to low mortgage rates, low prices and special incentives, says economist Mark Zandi.”

http://podcast.mktw.net/audio/20100526/mnb052610/mnb052610.mp3

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-05-26 13:22:50

Well, you have to admit that Mark has a point: There has never been a better time to buy!

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-05-26 13:38:36

I honestly don’t know why this hack is even given the time of day. Aside from some real dog properties in the most distressed of markets, house prices remain extraordinarily high in comparison to wages.

 
Comment by az_lender
2010-05-26 13:45:26

A much better time to buy was in 1972, when house prices were only eight or ten times annual rent. You couldn’t OVERBUY, though, because mortgage rates were high…you had to be able to make a big down payment and also try to pay your mortgage down as fast as possible. There must’ve been better times to buy than 1972 (maybe 1945?); I’m just going by personal experience.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-26 16:04:29

“You couldn’t OVERBUY, though, because mortgage rates were high…”

Cause the Fed wasn’t squashing them down?

 
 
Comment by CA renter
2010-05-26 18:37:46

“Now is best time to buy in a quarter-century, thanks to low mortgage rates, low prices and special incentives, says economist Mark Zandi.”
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Mark Zandi is smoking some serious crack.

It was a MUCH better time to buy in 1994-1998 and in 1984-1986.

When we see those prices and interest rates again…we will buy.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-26 08:09:19

Despite all the money the federal government has poured into the real estate market in an effort to jump start it, prices are declining. In the first quarter of 2010, U.S. home prices fell 3.2 percent compared with the fourth quarter.

Time for the feds to give it up.

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-26 08:43:49

Give.It.Up

Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2010-05-26 08:55:09

“Give.It.Up” During an election year? No way!

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 09:58:11

The day they get your last dollar is the day they give up.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 10:15:07

The day they throttle the last drop of life out of the U.S. economic engine is the day they give it up.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-27 09:18:19

Ah, these comments are as dark as the ones I typically make! Good show, and I believe you’re right; it’ll only end when there’s nothing less to steal or debase.

 
 
 
Comment by neuromance
2010-05-26 19:49:05

The Feds are tireless and focused in their pursuit to spend OPM - Other People’s Money. Mostly our childrens’, grandchildrens’ and great granchildrens’.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 14:46:19

It took 4 years for RE to bottom out during the S&L disaster.

That was a $550 BILLION disaster. How many trillions are we into this one?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-26 16:40:19

Pfft, those are just numbers eco ;)

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 05:46:55

AMERICA’S NATIONAL DEBT
TOPS $13,000,000,000,000;
DEBT PER TAXPAYER - $117,975;
US DEBT TO GDP RATIO - 90.3%

Comment by rosie
2010-05-26 05:55:38

Canada’s national debt.
525,690,000.00
Debt per person
15,472.00
I think you guys have a problem.

Comment by Cassandra
2010-05-26 06:13:55

Problem? Only if we intend on repaying it.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-26 11:38:38

Maybe we should be starting a national “Cash for Keys”. program.

We’re strategically defaulting, but we won’t trash the place when we leave, if our bondholders come up with some cash.

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Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-26 06:36:54

Not as long as it’s possible to emmigrate to Canada. That’s $100,000 right there. Any difference in the condition of the infrastructure and contingent liabilities is on top of that.

Of course, Canadians accept a higher tax burden and a lower personal standard of living today, whereas Americans are going all out to ensure they have it even worse tomorrow.

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-26 06:56:38

“That’s $100,000 right there” LOL

Cassandra,

Too funny!

This is why we must hold our own ‘prayer meeting’ for a deep and violent overshoot in home prices! ( That way we can git’ back to the serious business of Flipping Houses ) which is now considered it’s own sector within the economy.

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Comment by Lola
2010-05-26 06:57:03

“Not as long as it’s possible to emmigrate to Canada.”

Bring your $15,472.00 p.p. with you. :D

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Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-05-26 17:32:46

We have a great standard of living! And it includes healthcare that doesn’t depend on the size of your wallet.

Don’t let the demagogues bamboozle you.

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Comment by oc-ed
2010-05-26 18:28:04

I second that! I spend a lot of time in Canada and the standard of living is at par or even better than what I see here in the US.

 
 
 
Comment by Al
2010-05-26 06:54:12

Rosie,

Once provincial/state debt is factored in, the contest is much closer. I’ll look and see if I can find some detail.

Comment by Al
2010-05-26 07:31:47

Not so bad as I thought. Ontario was owes around $212 billion, so that’s only around $21,000 per person. I’ll have to stop by a hospital and tell all the happy parents that their newborns owe $36,000. They best start figuring how to pay it back.

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Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-26 07:38:32

Which state are you comparing Canada’s provincial debt to? I live in New York. And don’t forget those U.S. state and local pension and retiree health care obligations.

In Canada, public and private sector workers, younger generations and older generations are in the same health care boat.

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Comment by Al
2010-05-26 08:24:02

There was some California/Ontario comparisons floating around, where Ontario wasn’t looking good at all. California’s bond debt was around $80 billion while Ontario owes $200 billion. California has a much larger population to (heh heh) pay it back quicker. Per capita deficit was about 3 times higher in Ontario as well.

A number of years ago a Liberal government (under Chretien) did what appeared to be an amazing job cutting spending which produced surpluses and whittled down the debt a bit. Most of the cuts, however, were transfers to the provinces where the debt has been collecting since.

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-05-26 17:41:15

Actually, Al, that “surplus” was largely raided funds from the Employment Insurance program, which unfortunately was not segregated into a “lockbox” like the Canada Pension Plan is. Therefore, governments feel free to get creative and shuffle the EI unused surplus over into general revenue to massage the budget numbers…(kinda like how Bill Clinton raided Soc. Security for his “surpluses”)

Now, when unemployed Canadians need it, it’s not there and has to be backfilled by general tax revenue.

An argument can also be made that reducing the GST from 7 to 5 % was also a bad idea in that our current surpluses would have continued, right through the recession without that cut.

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-26 07:13:24

Per person and per ‘taxpayer’ I suspect will give different results. I assume by ‘taxpayer’ they mean income taxes, so it’s that old canard.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 07:24:40

Yes.

Per taxpayer is irrelevant and misleading, since taxes won’t be what are used to pay down the debt (per se) - inflation will be. And inflation affects “consumers” (i.e. everyone), not just taxpayers.

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Comment by az_lender
2010-05-26 13:48:56

Yes, but inflation hurts MAINLY savers, who tend to be taxpayers.

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-26 14:01:36

Yes, but inflation hurts MAINLY savers, who tend to be taxpayers.

On the surface that would appear to be the case, but I’m not so sure that’s really true, for several reasons. It’s extremely complex.

1. You’re assuming that the thing (investment/asset/etc.) the savers are putting their resources into will gain less in value then the inflation rate. That’s not true for most investments.

2. Inflation very much hurts fixed-income people, in that they have higher prices and thus lower standards of living.

3. It very much depends on where the inflation is. E.g. if it’s in housing then it hurts anyone without a house; if it’s in energy it hurts anyone who uses a high amount of energy (relative to their income), etc. All inflations are not created equal.

4. It depends on what segment of the economy you work in. Right now there’s massive money creation (inflation) going on in one segment - the top end of banking. That inflation isn’t trickling down to the lower ends of banking or to the borrowers, since it’s being usurped by the front end of the banks to offset the massive deflation they should be going through right now. However in the meantime the guys who work at the top end are reaping record bonuses - skimming off their share of the inflation before it gets usurped.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-05-26 18:41:37

4. It depends on what segment of the economy you work in. Right now there’s massive money creation (inflation) going on in one segment - the top end of banking. That inflation isn’t trickling down to the lower ends of banking or to the borrowers, since it’s being usurped by the front end of the banks to offset the massive deflation they should be going through right now. However in the meantime the guys who work at the top end are reaping record bonuses - skimming off their share of the inflation before it gets usurped.
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A very key point.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-27 09:22:22

I think the lesson here is to get into the right industry - the one being inflated - to be able to skim off the top. This is what the New eCONomy has created!

 
 
Comment by Al
2010-05-26 08:33:10

If I’m not mistaken, the US has a population of about 300 million. That puts debt per capita at around $43,000.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-26 16:05:47

Canada’s national debt.
525,690,000.00
Debt per person
15,472.00
I think you guys have a problem.

If we annexed Canada that would bring our debt per person down substantially.

Just sayin….

Comment by james
2010-05-26 18:15:46

Just saying…

Well. There are something like 34M Canadians so the numbers don’t change all that much.

Kind of depressing when you think about it.

Canada is a big empty country. Big and empty.

Hopefully with Global Warming it becomes a great tourist destination.

Canada has 9 people per sq mile.

US fo A has 30 people per square mile.

That is 20 acres per person. To give you some idea about how much space that is… well… I owned a 20 acre farm. Was a bear to fence the dang thing. Takes a hell of a long time to walk the perimeter.

Now, Canada you are talking about 70 acres. That is a lot of room. In fact you would be quite unaware you had any neighboors.

Canada is small population sample. Less than California.

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Comment by neuromance
2010-05-26 19:50:17

Obviously Canada is carrying a dangerously low debt load.

Think of the banks, won’t someone please think of the banks!

:)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 05:57:21

No worries here, within a years time “they” will get the debt up to 14 trillion! Now, where’s my ‘free’ stuff?

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 06:11:17

“Now, where’s my ‘free’ stuff?”

Uggghhhhhh!. I get a feed from an upstate group and the attitude I mostly see is no cuts should happen unless they’re for that other group of nasty people. They’re angry about taxes but they’re just as miserable regarding the cuts. And they don’t appear to understand every other state is going through the exact same thing.

“Keep my freebies going, cut theirs” is the new battlecry.

Equally frustrating: On a TV news report. The town has decided to cut XYZ program, so this is where the freed up money can be spent. Huh? I thought we were cutting back on spending. Does anyone understand tax receipts are lower than a few years back and we don’t have it to spend anymore?

Comment by polly
2010-05-26 07:45:43

Relatively few people bother to balance a check book. Even fewer live on a buget. Fewer still can adjust a buget to deal with a lower level of income.

Being out of work stinks. Figuring out how to live once you get back to work but still have 25% less money than you used to have is a revelation. Imagining that your town and/or state government has that same problem is probably beyond the ken of most people who haven’t actually served in or very closely followed local government in a time of falling revenues.

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Comment by mathguy
2010-05-26 10:15:34

I can say at this point I have no need to balance a checkbook. Why would anyone? Instead, make your purchases using a credit or debit card, then download your transactions to quicken. Not only will your running totals be calculated, but as you categorize your transactions, your spending is automatically graphed and a budget created based on your current habits. You can easily set goals and adjust spending habits from there.

Of course, if you mean “not spending more money than you have” when you say “balance your checkbook”, then yeah, we all still need to stick to that. :)

 
Comment by polly
2010-05-26 10:41:58

I was referring more to the debit card lifestyle and people having a general idea from day to day what their balance is. It is kind of the modern day equivalent of balancing the checkbook, which really meant accurately about writing down checks so that your record and the one from the bank matched up at least once a month.

Oddly enough, I still keep a check register to keep track of my on-line bill payments, cash withdrawals and transfers from savings (where my pay check is deposited). I find that the physical booklet is easier to flip through than going on-line and requesting the data from X months back.

Not spending more than you have is really the budget thing (though not strictly necessary once you are settled in a lifestyle that isn’t above your means), but knowing what you are spending is the first small step towards not over spending

 
Comment by mikey
2010-05-26 12:56:57

Polly,

You are very sensible, quite logical and practically efficient to the point of being scary.

Do you have a fishing boat by any chance ?

;)

 
Comment by polly
2010-05-26 13:43:04

Sorry. No boat. :)

Please note that I am much more logical/less emotional on-line than I am in real life. I find that typing tends to run ideas through the highly rational part of my brain more than life does. I always assumed that applied to most folks, but the more I hear about the young’uns who post drunken pictures of themselves on their public “walls” on facebook, the more I think it might be a generational thing.

The best thing I ever did for myself in terms of budgeting, was to have my salary deposited in a savings account, not a checking account. I transfer that month’s spending money into the checking account right before I send off my rent check. Any money that accumulates in the checking account because I “underspent” for the month I can play with or accumulate to cover big expenses - like buying holiday travel tickets or getting a new computer. Sort of like a budget, but without rigidly allocating amounts to categories. And I always feel at least a little guilty about months when I have to transfer more money to checking to cover big ticket items. Works for me. Wouldn’t work for everyone.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-05-26 14:42:07

That’s what I do and it works for me as well.

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-05-26 14:50:20

I write down my debit transactions at POS too, and it seems to confuse the cashiers no end. I guess most people don’t do that - ?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 14:52:19

I’ve seen my debit card take as long as 6 days to clear a transaction. Regularly.

Try balancing anything with delayed data.

Great post polly. You are exactly right. It’s quite a revelation to people who aren’t used to a tight budget or making significantly less than they were. Especially the ones who’ve never experienced it and think it can’t happen to them.

 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2010-05-26 07:00:00

wmbz,

Part of my own, ahem, “free stuff” is being a part of the Air National Guard. The rumors swirling around the base that we’ll be shut down are enough to give you whiplash.

I’m in no way saying ( providing for the defense of the country blah, blah ) is always the best use of tax dollars, but a closure there would leave a lot of voters unsure whom to back in Nov.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 07:13:09

I don’t see you giving up weekends to allow yourself to be ready to provide back up in a military situation as a “free stuff”. In fact I’d like to thank you for going the extra for your country.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-05-26 08:02:46

CarrieAnn,

Thanks. Since I actually look forward to it.., I mean I would do it for nothing. Cool uniforms too!

But it’s a core employer in the area, there’s the Hosp., Jeld Wen ( bubble related and way down on the head count and then there’s the base ) People are rightfully worried and I don’t blame them.

I read just this morning the President is sending 1,200 Guardsmen to the border. Personally I’d rather be in Iraq.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 08:48:06

“I read just this morning the President is sending 1,200 Guardsmen to the border. Personally I’d rather be in Iraq.”

All of 1200 huh? I’m sure that will seal up the pourousness. I’ve had family do front line work in potential terrorist intercept situations. Although most of the time is just boredom, I’m not sure I could ever get used to the potential situations you/they must be ready for. Hopefully, like them, boredom is all you’ll ever have to endure.

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-05-26 09:07:26

CarrieAnn,

No details as of yet, but my guess is that they’d be deployed more in a ’support role’ where they would be transporting illegals etc.

“Calling out The Guard” ( doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll be there shouldering weapons ) It’s probably just a matter of time before trng. units like mine will be sent on Gulf Clean Up ‘details’. Can’t wait!

 
Comment by mikey
2010-05-26 13:20:49

I was talking to an Air Force Loadmaster this morning that had just retired. Real nice guy and his wife was USAF too.

He and his crews quickly but respectfully occassionally took some wounded and KIA’s out of some of those places on the outbound flights.

He really liked his AF career but sometimes it was a long ride home and just a sad part of the ac crew’s job that a few do and most people don’t realize enough to say thanks for your service, kindness and consideration to your fellow service men and women.

Remarkable people and I sincerely thanked him.

:)

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-05-26 17:49:49

Watch out! I might sneak into the USA from Canada! Yeah right… I’ll stay here thanks :) ;)

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-05-26 14:27:22

The 1200 guardsmen will have to do without ammo ! Another stupid decision by Barry and Holder !

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-26 05:58:35

For some reason, a Monte Python quote is running through my head: “Shut that bloody bouzouki up!”

Comment by MrBubble
2010-05-26 08:01:50

The Cheese Shop sketch. Well played!

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-05-26 06:03:14

“DEBT PER TAXPAYER - $117,975″

Hmmm … This means $1,179.75 per taxpayer per year for every percent of interest paid on this debt.

Right now interest rates on the debt are near historic lows, this makes the interest rate burden per taxpayer low. If/when interest rates go up then the tax burden per taxpayer will rise accordingly.

Imagine what would happen if we had interest rates such as we had in the Seventies…

Comment by drumminj
2010-05-26 07:21:18

Imagine what would happen if we had interest rates such as we had in the Seventies…

I could live off my savings. That would be nice.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-26 08:17:14

I could live off my savings. That would be nice.

I agree. I’d be livin’ large off my cash-stash too!

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Comment by Al
2010-05-26 08:35:03

Assuming prices didn’t go up too much….

 
 
Comment by Spokaneman
2010-05-26 12:13:33

Back in 1983, or maybe 1984, Texas S&L’s were paying 13% on 5 year CD’s. I put a few thousand in to a CD from Meridian Federal S&L. I briefly wondered how they could pay interest at that rate, but since it was FSLIC insured, I really didn’t care. Well, the rest is history, Meridian went belly up, but about a year later I did receive my principle back.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 14:57:41

Yep. Texas banks were playing fast and loose during the 1980s. That’s when I learned to hate banks.

So it was no surprise to me when this recent crisis manifested itself. I saw the signs in the 1990s.

 
Comment by james
2010-05-26 17:20:36

Eco,

What is strangest to me is I was hyper back when Clinton/Rubin/Greenspan started playing games back in the 90s with bank reserves.

No reserves means you have no tolerance for any kind of deflation or losses.

This was right after the S&L crisis.

We’ve had president after president that didn’t understand this.

Not trying to absolve any of the other problem children in this whole thing. So many people contributed to making this a calamity.

A good question now is, what is the Fed assets it is holding valued at? They are surely impaired but have they marked them as impaired. I think the Fed is also insolvent till they get a fresh bag of $ from the treasury.

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-05-26 17:53:33

That’s when you worry more about the Return OF Principal than the Return ON Principal…

And that’s the Principle of the Matter :)

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-05-26 07:40:50

Imagine what would happen if we had interest rates such as we had in the Seventies…

1990 -
- Avg Interest rate paid on treasuries = 8.3%
- Debt service = $190B

2009 -
- Avg interest rate paid on treasuries = 3.4%
- Debt service = $383B

If we had 1970’s-level interest rates (say 10%), the cost to service the debt would be over $1 Trillion per year.

As a point of reference - 2009 federal government receipts were $2.1 Trillion. So almost half of the income of the government would be going towards just interest on the debt.

That’s why we’ll never get back to 1970’s interest rates, let alone the early 80’s 15%+ rates. We’ll get complete fiscal breakdown and outright debt default first.

As time goes by, we’re painting ourselves farther and farther into the interest-rate corner - where raising rates at all is simply no option.

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-26 08:09:01

packman,

That’s an excellent point. We’ll financially engineer ’solution’ after solution before we all ‘that’ to happen! ( That would be admitting defeat you know? )

As a further result, right’s about now the avg. American investor would take a 6% ROI to their freaking GRAVE rather than be subjected a moment longer to Ponzi-dome!

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Comment by az_lender
2010-05-26 13:59:51

DinOR, you are exactly right about taking it to the grave. I have just written a few mortgage notes (7.5% and 7.8% and 7.8%) that are truly 30 years. Since I’m 64 I won’t see them mature. There’s a reasonable chance that when these people’s credit repairs itself, they can re-fi elsewhere, but if they don’t, I’m stuck with these notes (totaling about 10% of my assets). And so be it.

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-05-26 17:56:43

What? Age 94 is a spring chicken! Whatcha talkin’ about?

 
 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2010-05-26 18:36:13

Is the the total debt being rolled over at the higher rates? My impression is the government ladders the debt issues. Not all of the debt would be accruing the (let’s say) 15% rate. I don’t know though.

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Comment by exeter
2010-05-26 07:30:31

I don’t recall WMBZ squealin’ when the GOP doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion on Bush.

Why all the handwringing and bedwetting over spending which happens to be far less than the GOP hypocrites pissed away?

Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 08:44:38

“I don’t recall WMBZ squealin’ when the GOP doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion on Bush”.

Really? Then you have piss poor recall! Perhaps your getting oldtimers. I have been bitching about our debt for years upon years. I don’t care witch parties ass is occupying the oval orifice, but keep playing your tired old party hack politics. Typical.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-26 09:39:07

“…I have been bitching about our debt for years upon years”

Your “TrueAnger™” has a promising future, and a remembered past…

Southern Gentry:

The Colonial American use of gentry followed the British usage before the independence of the United States, Southern plantation owners were often the younger sons of British landowners, who perpetuated the British system in rural Virginia and Charleston, South Carolina, by employing tenant farmers, indentured servants, and chattel slaves.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 14:58:50

..and still have the same mindset today.

 
 
Comment by james
2010-05-26 17:22:40

I still remember many of us screaming, and wmbz was near the top of the list, when the TARP was unleashed.

Might remember that Bush was president then.

Heck, that is getting to be a few years back now.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2010-05-26 08:46:23

Not to mention that such policies cannot be changed overnight in the worst recession in our lifetimes. Way to get the plane into a nosedive and then jump out.

I’m not a huge fan of what’s going on now, but you can’t lump this all on the current administration. This country needs to broaden the tax base so that more people have a vested interest in a fiscally conservative government. A situation where 50% of the population pay little to no income tax is a recipe for more national debt.

The only thing worse than tax and spend is don’t tax and spend.

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-26 09:10:44

“broaden the tax base so more people have a vested interest in a fiscally conservative government…”

Rental Watch.., it’s so crazy it just might work! McGyver would be proud! Or really just ‘vested’ period?

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Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-26 09:15:20

“A situation where 50% of the population pay little to no income tax is a recipe for more national debt.”

If the draft were reinstated, there’d be tremendous pressure to end wars of choice and downsize the military as has been needed for a long time. That would do more to reduce spending and reduce the national debt than broadening the tax base.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-26 09:27:20

:-)

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-05-26 09:28:28

SDGreg,

It doesn’t ‘have’ to be a binary situation? Do both!

We’re just not in a position to rule out anything. I think you’re perhaps dismissing the “multiplier effect” here though? When your neighbor is getting all kinds of assistance, you want to get on it too.

When your neighbor is working and paying taxes, then it just looks perfectly normal.

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-26 09:32:29

Defense spending before Iraq/Afghanistan: 3.8% of GDP
Defense spending during Iraq/Afghanistan: 5.5% of GDP

Total federal spending: 24.6% of GDP.

While war spending certainly doesn’t help, it’s not exactly a large percentage of our total federal government spending, at 7%.

(Assuming you’re considering both Iraq and Afghanistan as wars of choice)

 
Comment by az_lender
2010-05-26 14:04:17

Medicare is the problem. Raise the age of eligibility. I’m old. I’ll die. With or without Medicare.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-26 14:04:37

I thought much of the spending on the Iraq and Afghan wars was ‘off-the-books? So defense spending doesn’t really represent the cost of the wars.

” Appropriations for the war in Iraq are supplemental rather than regular, which means that our military costs in Iraq are off-budget. Over 90 percent of the costs of the “war on terror” have been provided for in supplemental appropriations bills or as “emergency” funding. ”

commondreamsdotorg

 
 
 
 
Comment by Spokaneman
2010-05-26 08:10:48

That comment raised an interesting point. I assume you calculation took the 300 million citizines in the US times the 53% that are said to pay FIT. If I use that calculation, I come close to your number.

Of the 47% of the US population that are said not to pay FIT, are children, retired low income pensioners etc. included in that number? I don’t know and never really thought about it. But if they are, it is a very misleading number. Pensioners typically have paid FIT for most of their working lives and children, bless their poor little hearts, are for the most parts FIT payers in training.

A better number, I think is to divide the debt by the total population which works out to be about $43,000/person. Since the debt will never be repaid, it is something of a meaningless number anyway. The interest cost however will be paid and therefore is highly relevant. Annual interest on $13T is approximately $455B or about $1,516/year/person. This is about $4100/household, or about 8% of average household income.

Of course, when (not if) interest rates return to historical norms, this number will be substantially higher.

Comment by az_lender
2010-05-26 14:14:20

Spokaneman, I don’t think the claim about the small percentage of taxpayers involves counting children as non-payers. My reasoning is simple. If the debt is $13T and the debt is said to be $118K per taxpayer (of FIT presumably), then there are only 110 million people paying FIT, which is a lot less than 53% of the total population.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-26 14:44:30

Demographics are also important. The number of taxpayers will fluctuate, it’s not fixed for eternity. If the population grows, and/or produces more taxpayers, then debt per payer will decrease, and vice versa.

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Comment by Spokaneman
2010-05-26 14:55:52

Dunno, I have a hunch that like most “facts” that are used to support a claim, the numbers are skewed to fit the desired results. If the claim were that 47% of households pay no FIT, it would be a more precise sounding number. I would really like to see how the 47% was determined.

No matter really, its a big number, and the interest service is going to choke what ever life there is in the economy out of the economy, particularly when interest rates start to increase.

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Comment by The_Overdog
2010-05-26 08:13:10

Us total population estimate: 310,000,000
US Debt: $13,000,000,000,000
Per Taxpayer: $117,975
Total Tax Payers: 110,192,837.47
Per Person in the US: $41,935.48

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-26 08:36:07

Total Tax Payers: 110,192,837.47

Aren`t union members exempt?

Comment by polly
2010-05-26 09:30:19

Are you actually asking if there is a provision in the US federal income code that makes income received by members of unions exempt from tax? Are you?

‘Cause I want some of what you are smoking if you are.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-26 14:53:26

Obama, Dems cut deal to exempt union health care from taxes

By: Susan Ferrechio
Chief Congressional Correspondent
January 15, 2010

The White House has agreed to concessions in its health care legislation aimed at sparing union workers the bulk of a new tax.

We have seen tremendous progress over the last couple of days,” said AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, signaling an easier path for the legislation in the union-friendly House.

The deal concerns a provision in the Senate health care bill that would impose a 40 percent tax on insurance plans costing more than $8,500 for individuals and $23,000 for families — far beyond the average cost of a family insurance policy of $13,375, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Under the deal struck Thursday, the tax threshold would be raised to $8,900 for individuals and $24,000 for families and would be adjusted for groups according to age and gender. The tax will also exclude dental and vision coverage.

While the new thresholds and exclusions would affect all insurance policies, a special exception was carved out for union workers, exempting them from any tax until 2018. The deal will also allow union workers to be eligible for new government insurance exchanges.

Union chiefs have been huddling for days with White House officials in an effort to find a compromise over the excise tax, which President Obama has insisted remain in the bill.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obama_-Dems-cut-deal-to-exempt-union-health-care-from-taxes-8764740-81590182.html#ixzz0p4hRg9jc

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 15:18:30

And hedge fund managers are only paying 15% tax on their income.

Good for the goose for the gander, jeff.

 
Comment by james
2010-05-26 16:34:27

Well. My dentist is going to be doing heart surgery for me.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 15:02:06

No jeff, but hedge fund managers are.

Yes you can google it.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-26 16:06:37

Not big on special deals for Wall Street or Unions. I like my father, have worked and will work all of my life. I don`t need or want gov. assistance. The mistakes I have made, financially and otherwise I have paid for and come out stronger in the end. If I find myself out of work like I have before I will again do what I have to do to take care of my family. So don`t tell me because one bunch of idiots bailed out Wall Street it`s o.k. for another bunch of idiots to do the same for Unions and their special interests. Spend on, none of it comes to me.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:44:14

I’m with you, but the fact is they DID give the morons on Wall St. money and history shows that if you don’t then do the same for your citizens, you might lose your head.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-26 18:46:28

But who are the citizens? Like you I am sure, I pay my taxes, I pay for insurance, I feed and cloth my family, I volunteer in the community, I help single moms and older less fortunate people with jobs at their homes that they couldn`t do or afford. And then I see people in the grocery store pay $30.00 for the same amount of groceries we pay $150.00 for because they have a food stamp card then they talk on their cell phone while walking to their brand new car. I know 3 men about my age 50 healthier than I am and living in nice houses with nice cars on full social security disability, a dozen people living in their homes for 1 or 2 years without paying anything, Land lords who have gov. jobs payed by taxes collecting rent on houses they are not paying the mortgage on. Cash for clunkers, 750 billion homebuyers credit, appliance money, 99 weeks of unemployment, bailouts for the UAW and the BANKERS. I got to stop. Anyway, after all that my original question was who are the citizens? Maybe I am just not one anymore.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 05:54:09

Poll Finds Americans Pessimistic, Dissatisfied with Washington ~CBS News

Americans are frustrated with nearly everyone in Washington - including President Obama, Congress, and the Democratic and Republican parties - and have become increasingly pessimistic about what the future holds, according to a new CBS News poll.

Seven in ten Americans are dissatisfied with the way things are going in Washington, including 22 percent who say they are “angry” about the situation. Just 15 percent overall approve of the job being done by Congress.

Opinions of both parties, meanwhile, are at or near historic lows: 55 percent of those surveyed hold unfavorable views of Republicans, and 54 percent hold unfavorable views of Democrats.

The president’s job approval rating has fallen to 47 percent, and, perhaps more crucially, Americans no longer say he shares their priorities for the country.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 06:02:09

What is wrong with people. I love the douchebags who run our country. I am proud to work hard and pay taxes to these guys.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-05-26 06:08:42

“Seven in ten Americans ar dissatisfied with the way things are going in Washington, including 22 percent who say they are ‘angry’ about the situation.”

This is GREAT NEWS! Hold that anger! The November elections are just a few months away.

Comment by rusty
2010-05-26 06:17:30

Agree with you. Just hope that they don’t hand out enough ‘free’ stuff in the meantime that people forget to be angry.

I doubt it though, they will try to ram through Amnesty between now and then, and we’ll hit November with a white hot anger.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 06:18:31

“Seven in ten Americans ar dissatisfied with the way things are going in Washington, including 22 percent who say they are ‘angry’ about the situation.”

Only 22%? That low figure speaks volumes.

I also thought the overlap of dissatisfaction numbers between the two political parties was too low to mark any meaningful seachange. We’re still stuck in partisan stagnation.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-26 08:08:48

“Seven in ten Americans…..”

Which means 35% of the population is mad at the Democrats, and 35% is mad at the Republicans.

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Comment by Spokaneman
2010-05-26 08:13:22

Yeah, but if historical averages continue, approximately 90% of congressional incumbents will be re-elected.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. By that definition, we are truely insane.

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Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-05-26 18:06:16

Those would be the Teabaggers.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-05-26 06:19:45

All hope for “CHANGE” will be dashed when the ohbahma’s new plan is to offer 30 year 0% mortgages and re-fi’s if you would just please pretty please just live in the home.

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This is GREAT NEWS! Hold that anger!

Comment by pismoclam
2010-05-26 14:29:38

I want MINE ! Scr-w you.

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Comment by potential buyer
2010-05-26 15:45:08

Then we truly will be pissed off that we didn’t buy, won’t we?

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Comment by Kim
2010-05-26 06:32:57

“Seven in ten Americans ar dissatisfied with the way things are going in Washington”

Three in ten Americans are bankers? That can’t be right.

(j/k)

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-26 06:39:38

If you also consider those in the employ of various gov’t entities that number makes more sense. Also, add in contractors and other hangers on.

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Comment by Reuven
2010-05-26 11:25:22

Except most of these folks are just upset they’re not getting enough free money and free houses!

 
 
Comment by Rancher
2010-05-26 06:57:34

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 23% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -22. That’s the lowest Approval Index rating yet measured for this president

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 08:07:17

Perfect political storm:

The anger phase of the housing bubble stages of grief builds to a crest of voter discontentment during an election year.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-26 14:34:28

If ‘regime change’ is what you want, the perfect storm would be cresting two years from now. This is more like the standard midterm backlash against any new pres. Then the other guys get in and remind everyone that they’re just as bad or worse, and the tide often turns back in favor of the incumbent at the four year point- when it really matters. Just ask Bill.

Comment by james
2010-05-26 18:19:57

I won a lot of money on Billy getting re-elected. Bet on it a few days after the Republican revolution. People thought I was nuts.

I think Obama’s wussification principles will backfire on him. Holder was a stupid mistake. Hillary and TTT were others.

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Comment by Eddie
2010-05-26 08:13:52

But we all got free health care. Why so angry everyone? Good thing we got rid of Bush and that 5% unemployment nightmare economy of his.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 08:30:52

When Bush left office unemployment was 7.6% and rising fast.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 08:50:06

He pretty much held his breath till he could make his quiet exit.

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Comment by packman
2010-05-26 09:17:14

I’m glad the housing bubble popped when it did. As it is most people view the bubble and crash blame as shared between Dems and Pubs (to varying degrees). If the bubble would have waited another 12 months - putting the worst of the crash in 2009, then a very large percentage of people would have (wrongly) put the blame solely on Dems. There’s a very good chance Obama wouldn’t be around right now.

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-05-26 09:34:19

packman,

Very true. In “Wading through the waste”* it’s still imperative we count our “blessings”. Lord only knows they’re few and far enough in between. My druthers would have been we pulled the plug NLTN ‘05 and none of this happened, but you’re right.

*”Sweet Virginia”

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-26 09:21:13

Cheney-Shrub Legacy Effect #3: “We left y’all with the worst economy in 80 years…see ya!” :-)

http://img1.eyefetch.com/p/5t/718264-4ab731bb-aad2-4439-9a01-8de92227fff2l.jpg

Comment by DinOR
2010-05-26 09:57:36

Hwy50,

Is that a ‘new’ link ( or the same one you roll out on a daily basis? ) I… think we get your position on this.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-05-26 10:03:03

You really do suffer from the “Big Sister Syndrome”… always having to tell others what they should do… :-)

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 10:16:55

Eddie finally shows up out of nowhere and all you guys can do is have a civil discussion with him?

 
Comment by Eddie
2010-05-26 11:16:16

Avg unemployment during gwb was 5%. under Obama 9% and rising every month. So Obama did bring us change. Thank you 53% who voted for him.

 
Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2010-05-26 11:47:27

“Avg unemployment during gwb was 5%. under Obama 9% and rising every month. So Obama did bring us change. Thank you 53% who voted for him.”

This is disingenuous and absurd. There are plenty of reasons not to like Obama but unemployment is currently declining and there is simply no argument that the economy wasn’t imploding at the end of Bush’s term.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-26 11:50:52

“Average unemployment”

I assume you are averaging from 2001-2009, of course, including 5-6 years of “bubble employment”.

Other than “bubble jobs” (residential construction and related industries, mortgage brokers, realtors, banksters), what was the rest of the civilian job market doing?

What was the average in during 2005-2009? And what was the trend?

Yeah, I thought so.

If Republicans want to blame anyone for Obama being in office, all they need to do is look in the mirror.

 
Comment by Spokaneman
2010-05-26 12:25:42

Had it not been for the housing bubble, I suspect the unemployment rate would have remained very high as a hold over from the tech wreck recession. And had it not been for the tech bubble, unemployment during the Clinton years would have stayed high as a hold over from the Gulf War recession. More than likely the 5% unemployment rate we enjoyed for a while during the mid-GWB and Clinton periods was an abberation, and what we are seeing now is more likely the rule. Unless, of course, the Fed, Congress and the Administration is successful in kick starting the next bubble. God knows they are trying.

 
Comment by Eddie
2010-05-26 14:09:59

Obama’s avwrage is increasing every month.

Ui has increased 50% under his watch. The deficit has quadrupled under his watch.

But aside from that he is doing great on the economic front.

In 2004 ui was half what it is today and Dems were talking about the worst econmomy in a generation. The same Dems who now cheer when ui goes from 10 to 9.9

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-26 14:53:03

If you want to make absurd comparisons, how about ‘how many New Yorkers were killed by terrorists under Bush, as compared to under Obama’?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 15:07:32

No Eddie, it increased under Bushco, They just stuck Obama with the bill.

And you neocons better be worried, because if Obama manages to straighten this mess out, your goose is cooked for a long, long time.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2010-05-26 20:40:26

“And you neocons better be worried, because if Obama manages to straighten this mess out, your goose is cooked for a long, long time.”

What about us non-neocon non-progressive Americans? We make up the majority. You heavy handed, big government, big war, pro control, anti constitution and bill of rights left and right wing progressives better be worried. Your goose IS cooked…you just don’t know it yet.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 05:58:25

Orlando visitor traffic down 5%

Good thing the town does not depend on tourist dollars.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-orlando-attendance-20100525,0,7215956.story

Comment by bink
2010-05-26 09:56:04

No more shuttle launches won’t help either.

 
Comment by Spokaneman
2010-05-26 12:30:12

I read an interesting article on Walt Disney’s business plan for Disney World. In the 50’s Walt saw that there was a tremendous amount of car traffic through central Fl from families taking car trips from the northeast to the south Fl beaches. Walt figured if he could get one car in ten to stop on the way through in his theme park, he could make a go of the park.

The rest they say, is history.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 15:20:42

“…Walt figured if he could get one car in ten to stop on the way through in his theme park,… “

So did the “Live Gator Wrasslen” tourist traps. :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 06:06:19

Cousteau Jr.: ‘This Is a Nightmare… a Nightmare’ - ABC News
Philippe Cousteau Jr. and Sam Champion take hazmat dive into Gulf’s oily waters.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/cousteau-jr-this-is-a-nightmare-a-nightmare-20009724

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 08:29:01

I watched Phillipe, who is actually Jacque’s grandson, on Larry King last night. Sobering assessment. The video was so depresssing. Today on CNN they’ve spotlighted a meeting between LA’s Native American fisherman and AK’s Exxon Valdez effected Native American fishermen. The Alaskan counterparts explained to the Louisiana fishermen they should be on suicide watch.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 15:25:48

Their industry is dead for the next 10 years.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-27 09:31:42

Try 20 or longer, sadly.

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Comment by shelby
2010-05-26 08:33:40

yes it is and a “Black Swan Event” as well for our Economy

and black fish, shrimp, costal birds, animals…..

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 15:24:03

I see a red door and I want it painted black
No colors anymore I want them to turn black
I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes
I have to turn my head until my darkness goes

I see a line of cars and they’re all painted black
With flowers and my love both never to come back
I see people turn their heads and quickly look away
Like a new born baby it just happens every day

I look inside myself and see my heart is black
I see my red door and must have it painted black
Maybe then I’ll fade away and not have to face the facts
It’s not easy facin’ up when your whole world is black

No more will my green sea go turn a deeper blue
I could not foresee this thing happening to you

If I look hard enough into the settin’ sun
My love will laugh with me before the mornin’ comes

Comment by james
2010-05-26 16:41:52

My favorite stones song.

Assuming your outrage has turned to action…

Did you give up your car yet?

Did you pepper your representative with ideas and demands to get us off our oil addiction?

Seriously just asking.

I sent Jane Harman some stuff over at her office. At new job I may be able to bike to work and have a one car family.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 06:17:07

Durables Orders in U.S. Increased More Than Forecast (Update1)

(Bloomberg) — Orders for durable goods rose in April for the fourth time in five months, pointing to strength in U.S. manufacturing at the start of the second quarter.

The 2.9 percent increase in bookings for goods meant to last at least three years was the biggest in three months and followed little change in March, figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. Orders excluding transportation unexpectedly fell after revisions showed even bigger increases in prior months.

Rising exports and lean inventories are prompting companies to place more orders with factories, keeping factories at the forefront of the recovery from the worst recession since the 1930s.

Comment by rusty
2010-05-26 06:47:48

Cash for clunker fridges?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 15:28:26

2.9% is nothing. A wobble on the chart. Especially after the decimation that took place last year and the, wait, what was that again, leading mass layoffs just a few weeks ago.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-05-26 16:15:35

Yep, those buyers from Europe are just swooping up our bargains!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 06:21:47

CBO says stimulus kept unemployment rate lower.
Washington Times

The stimulus law was responsible for funding between 1.2 million and 2.8 million jobs in the first quarter of this year and kept the unemployment rate lower than it would otherwise have been, the Congressional Budget Office said in a new analysis Tuesday.

The analysis said the gross domestic product, the measure of the country’s economy, was between 1.7 and 4.2 percent higher than it would otherwise have been without the $862 billion program, which passed Congress in February 2009 almost exclusively on the strength of Democratic votes.

As for unemployment, even though the rate hovered around 10 percent during the quarter, CBO said that could have been as high as 11.5 percent without the stimulus.

CBO said the stimulus’s effects will peak this year and then shrink next year, and fade away by the end of 2012.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 06:41:12

Yep - probably so. I have no doubt the stimulus has improved things temporarily.

However it’s all pull-forward demand, combined with some misallocation of resources*, thus in the long run will have a negative effect.

*Home buyer’s tax credit for instance, causing new home construction to be higher than it should be, being that we still have a massive inventory overbuild to be worked off.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-26 07:20:52

The problem with using government intervention to “smooth” demand is that politically, it is VERY difficult for the government try and decrease demand when it is high. Everybody gets quite indignant when the party is really going and you try and take the “punchbowl” away, even if the curtains are on fire.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 07:51:48

Yes.

The last time we had such huge stimulus spending - the New Deal - we were fortunate (fiscally speaking) to have the distraction of the biggest war the world had ever known, followed by a 20+ year period of competitive advantage (by virtue of our infrastructure remaining physically intact while the rest of the world’s was destroyed) to help bail us out of that public-spending-as-an-economy mode.

Will we be so “lucky” this time?

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Comment by polly
2010-05-26 08:11:32

Underlying assumption of “smoothing” is that you are filling in the bottom of the V. What if you run out of dough for smoothing and the prices of assets are still going down?

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Comment by packman
2010-05-26 08:34:29

What if you run out of dough…

If you are the federal government, you don’t run out of dough.

The supply of dough is infinite if you keep adding enough water. It just gets a little… thinner… over time.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-26 09:31:57

If you’re NOT JC, spreading out those loaves and fishes that much makes for some pretty thing gruel.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-26 09:35:06

GAAK that’s THIN gruel…..the “fat finger” strikes again.

 
Comment by polly
2010-05-26 09:37:38

The federal government runs out of dough when Congress stops voting for new appropriations. I don’t think we are going to get another big stimulus, at least not a general one. There are even significant head winds these days just on the on-going extenstions for unemployment funding.

The Fed can print the money, but it can’t use that money to pay high school teachers. And it can’t force the banks to lend it so other people can spend it. There is a limit.

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-26 09:49:38

The federal government runs out of dough when Congress stops voting for new appropriations.

Yes but the federal government isn’t the only one doing the V smoothing. The federal reserve can appropriate money without congressional approval - e.g. the way they appropriated $1.2 Trillion in new spending in March 2009. And in their case the money doesn’t even have to come out of the economy (in the form of treasury purchases) to be spent.

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-26 09:56:34

To follow up - I agree the FedRes can’t directly induce spending the way the government can, however it can reduce the severe contraction.

Rather than a “V” analogy, perhaps an “A” analogy is more appropriate - the Fed’s job is to prevent the “A” (expansion followed by long-term contraction).

Thus if the government runs out of money to cause a V, the Fed can still at least prevent an A via it’s own money pumping (back to your original comment of preventing asset prices from falling). We’ve already seen this in housing prices actually.

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-26 09:59:58

Re: housing price “A” interruption via the Fed - chart. Fed spending (MBS purchases) prevented the second leg of the A from reaching complete bottom.

I’m willing to bet a new program is in the works, and may be underway even. Whether or not it’s announced and/or implemented publicly is TBD.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-26 16:07:40

Everybody gets quite indignant when the party is really going and you try and take the “punchbowl” away, even if the curtains are on fire.

They get less indignant if they’ve lived through a depression. That’s why it worked so well for several generations after GD1. Perhaps we’ll see it work well again after (if) we get through GD2.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 06:46:32

I’ll repeat the story of my school district’s finacial officer’s report. They’re terrified of when the money runs out next year. Of course they didn’t use those words. Their eyes said it all.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-26 08:12:22

It will be interesting to see how they handle the “rock” of reduced budgets, vs. the “hard place” of Federally-mandated expenditures for “special needs” students.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 14:21:17

No kidding. I can already see that support is #1 on the cut list. I’m not sure it’s the right move. Not everyone that falls under this umbrella is dealing w/a harsher form of autism although I would conceed the “no child” portion of it may go too far.

Both Einstein and Edison were declared unteachable. Ansel Adams too. Not sure about Edison but Eistein was an intensely argumentative brat to his professors. I think his teachers just thought Edison was stupid.

Sometimes unteachable is really the out of the box thinking that is gonna save our economic behind.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-05-26 22:38:46

Carrie Ann:

You should listen to the podcasts of this girl Shane who works with austist kids and thier parents I knew almost nothing about this before she started her show:

http://nytalkradio.net/wordpress/podcasts/category/your-beautiful-child/

Yeah shameless plug for the internet radio station i work at

 
 
 
Comment by seen it all
2010-05-26 09:35:37

RE: School Funding

The rubber will meet the road in many places but that will be the one (some) people scream about the most.

Medical insurance is jumping 20% (or more) every year. Teachers get “step” raises and salary boosts on top of that.

I saw (NJ governor) Chris Christie tell it like it is to a teacher in a town hall meeting.

I swear that one day soon, school will be 3 hours of instructionin mandated curriculum and 5 hours of study halls- no sports, music, arts. Of course it may be 4 days a week and highschool may be only three years.

Brave new word!!

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-26 10:06:04

Medical insurance is jumping 20% (or more) every year.

And for no good reason, other than ’cause the insurance companies can.

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Comment by Spokaneman
2010-05-26 12:42:10

And the fact that there are hundreds of very expensive therapies available for diseases we didn’t even know existed 20 years ago, that everyone thinks they have a right to, because its someone else’s money.

The root of the problem with health care costs is overutilization.

Most large organizations, including school districts, government entities, mid to large companies, etc. are “self funded” for employee medical costs. Which means that the “insurance company” is not an insurance company at all, it is just a bill processor, aggregating bills, paying the provider and passing passing the cost of an employees’ medical care + (typically) a 14% administrative fee on to the employer. The rates the employees see for the purpose of premium sharing is based on what the employer spent in the prior years (experience) plus what is expected in terms of increasing costs for services (medical inflation). I believe I read that about 70% of employer health coverage is under self funded plans. I will check that number.

 
Comment by james
2010-05-26 16:53:18

Slim,

I don’t think you can blame that all on insurance companies.

If that were true than insurance companies would have huge margins. They don’t.

The costs are from elsewhere. And it isn’t malpractice insurance either.

Don’t think the insurance companies are helping either. I’d say they make the problem worse. They just pass costs along and add a layer of seperation.

My guess is the hospitals/doctors just keep charging more and you are competing for services with municipal/govt employees who are disconnected from the price. Not to mention from medicare dumping money into the system.

You probably have a lot of positive feedback in the system where the schools are raising their costs as the government pumps additional loan money into the system as well (another Bush/democrat congress boneheaded move).

Not to mention all the marginal treatments that are used and push more activity into healthcare. Consequently they also make the hospital groups expect larger revenue streams and they go out and blow that money as well. How many hospitals you see building new buildings? It’s a hell of a lot. Guess who else will end up bankrupt when this all ends? A lot of hospitals and doctors.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-26 10:37:18

“I swear that one day soon, school will be 3 hours of instructionin mandated curriculum and 5 hours of study halls- no sports, music, arts. Of course it may be 4 days a week and highschool may be only three years.”

This isn’t just an issue with schools. A lot of employers spend most of their training efforts on items that have little to do with the most important aspects of actually doing the job. Of course, those mandating such less than optimally targeted training don’t typically do the work that keeps the company alive. Addition by subtraction if you’d get rid of some of those people.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-05-26 11:03:39

Out here in my town teachers were forced to take a hefty paycut. No automatic raises for them.

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Comment by SchoolMan
2010-05-26 12:14:01

There really is no need for brick-and-mortar schools anymore. There are already many online charter K-12 schools in this country. Pennsylvania, the state that I live in has three or four at least. Computers are dirt cheap these days. I am not saying keeping all kids home is a good thing, my opinion is irrelevant, but it would be cheaper, I would guess. Teachers would be willing to work for a bit less not having to put up with discipline problems, etc.

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Comment by wolfgirl
2010-05-26 12:53:07

Another advantage of online schools–no school buses. South Carolina can’t afford to buy new buses, so it is buying used buses from Kentucky.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-26 13:43:05

Here in Tucson, they use those full-sized buses. Several of them go by my house. I don’t know if I’m at the beginning or end of the route — there aren’t any schools nearby — but those buses have many empty seats.

I know that we’ve cracked more than a few “short bus” jokes on this blog, but I think they would be a practical solution. Along with something called the Internet. Great place to learn things.

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-05-26 15:06:09

The buses are empty because Mom has to personally deliver the little darling to school in the SUV.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-26 15:54:20

In Montana, are you channeling my mother? She and my dad live two doors away from one of the grade schools that I attended.

At certain times of the day, the road past the house is engulfed by what we refer to as “The Mommy Parade.” Bunch of SUVs, usually with Mommy driving one or two kids to school.

When the parade is on, Mom refuses to walk the dog or even go out to mailbox. Why this degree of caution? Because those SUVs go hellbent for leather, and it’s a narrow road.

 
Comment by Chris M
2010-05-26 19:56:20

I doubt there are many moms who would drive their kids to school if there were bus service available. The traffic jam is a nightmare. We’re just under 1.5 miles from the school, so we get no bus service. They think my 1st grader should walk this distance every day.

 
 
Comment by sfrenter
2010-05-26 14:45:14

No step raises for teachers in many districts in CA. But, yep, I’m living in the lap of luxury, like all the rest of the school teachers I know.

Quit the griping about public employees. Yeah, there may be some bureaucrats making more than they should, but so much of this stuff about pensions is really a distraction from the bigger issue of who is making the big bucks, how the middle class has been decimated, how wages have fallen for the past 20 years, and how we have just lived through one of the biggest transfers of wealth in human history.

Let’s get all the little folks to fight one another.

Besides, anyone with half a brain is not counting on their public employees pension, as it’s all been invested on Wall Street.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 15:32:22

Gotta love it. The Bankstas damn near destroy the world so they blame it on J6P and other poor morons believe it!

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-05-26 16:22:54

You left out online classes.

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Comment by mikey
2010-05-26 06:22:38

Big bankers interests, fancy lawyers and big money decisions visit Johnny Depp’s small town “Public Enemies” movie Courthouse and the cows.

Darlington, Wisconsin is a wonderful, picturesque small farm town but really out in the middle of nowhere and out of the way would be a major understatement.

Business
Ambac to pay banks $2.6 billion
Lawyers pack small-town courtroom
By Cary Spivak of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: May 25, 2010 |(1) Comments

Darlington — A deal to pay 14 of the world’s largest banks $2.6 billion as part of the restructuring of Ambac Assurance Corp. was approved Tuesday by a Lafayette County circuit court judge.

The deal - the first in what will be a long and complicated case - will provide the banks about $2.6 billion in cash and $2.6 billion in debt. Ambac owes the banks a total of $12.9 billion.

The deal was brokered by state Insurance Commissioner Sean Dilweg, who is controlling about $67 billion in troubled insurance policies issued by Ambac, a company that created the business of insuring municipal bonds but in recent years branched out to the high-risk world of insuring bonds backed by subprime loans.

After a 3½-hour hearing in a humid courtroom packed with 50 lawyers from across the country, Circuit Judge William D. Johnston ruled in favor of Dilweg and Ambac and against bondholders who objected to the deal. Objections were raised by bondholders who owned securities backed by subprime loans and by bondholders who financed the construction of a monorail in Las Vegas, a project now in Chapter 11 bankruptcy…

Johnston’s ruling allows payments to banks including Citibank, The Royal Bank of Scotland, Barclays Bank and Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria, a Spanish banking conglomerate…

When Dilweg took control of Ambac’s troubled assets, the move was meant to deal with the company’s high-risk policies while keeping separate - and protecting - its much safer lines of business, including its insuring of conservative and highly rated municipal bonds, valued at about $285 billion.

Though the company’s headquarters are in New York, the case is being heard in Wisconsin because Ambac - a spinoff of what is now MGIC Investment Corp. - remains domiciled in this state. It is regulated by the state Office of the Commissioner of Insurance.

Johnston is the go-to judge for Wisconsin insurance delinquency cases, and his rulings in the 103-year-old courthouse have far-reaching consequences…

“I saw all of the Armani suits, so I knew something was up,” cracked one Lafayette County sheriff’s deputy.

When courthouse maintenance man Thomas VanMatre heard about the pricey lawyers about to arrive, he knew just what to do.

“That’s why I’m changing the light bulbs” in the dome of the courthouse rotunda, he said…”

The locals have a sense of dry humor and the lazy Pecatonica river and big money decisions just keeps gently flowing… on past the Darlington Bridge.

:)

http://tinyurl.com/3xq52oc

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-05-26 06:35:06

New $3B foreclosure prevention program added to Wall Street reform bill

According to a report in the Housing Wire the Senate has passed the Restoring American Financial Stability Act, approving a new program that would reduce mortgage payments for the unemployed.

The program would provide $3bn from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to lend up to $50,000 to unemployed homeowners, who could reasonably resume making payments again within two years. The program was modeled after the Homeowners’ Emergency Mortgage Assistance Program (HEMAP) in Pennsylvania.

The Senate passed the bill last week but transplanted its own language into the one passed by the House of Representatives. The status of the reform is still “resolving differences.” But, lawmakers hope to have it in front of President Obama to sign by the July 4, 2010 recess.

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2010-05-26 07:47:34

$3B. /yawn. Just another neighborhood in LA.

 
Comment by polly
2010-05-26 08:18:06

They are recycling this TARP money over and over again. I know the original authorization was very, very vague. Hank Paulson told Congress to let him do what ever he wanted with the money or the world would explode and they believed him because he is, you know, tall and used to play football. But is the wording really so loose as to allow the money to be constantly recycled once it is paid back from its original purpose? Really?

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 08:40:07

LOL - love your phrasing. Very true, and perhaps the best-ever example of crisis politics - “NO TIME FOR THINKING - JUST GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY AND I’LL FIGURE IT OUT!!!”.

IIRC it was never even used for its original purpose, which was to buy up trouble assets directly, rather than to bail out the banks by just giving them money.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-05-26 09:37:03

…tall and used to play football. So THAT’S why it feels like they’re trying to Rodger me like a cheerleader.

 
Comment by michael
2010-05-26 10:24:57

“But is the wording really so loose as to allow the money to be constantly recycled once it is paid back from its original purpose? Really?”

yes…several folks here pointed that out back when it was passed.

it’s crazy.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-26 16:23:58

But is the wording really so loose as to allow the money to be constantly recycled once it is paid back from its original purpose? Really?

I guess recycling beats losing it, eh? Velocity of money and all that?

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 09:46:39

Sounds like Cash4Lenderz to me. (under the guise of exending help to the poor jobless FBs who are about to walk).

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-05-26 11:11:31

Ca alone, asked the Treasury Dept for $699.1M for 4 Mortgage Grant Programs. I feel for the sick, and unemployed, but the rest don’t deserve help. Each homeowner will have a $50K Grant Cap, all 4 programs combined. (It’s some weird mix & match thingie.)

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-26 06:39:37

Experts say the housing market is weak, with sales pumped up by government subsidies and unusually low interest rates.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37340069/ns/business-real_estate/

“The correction is definitely not over,” said Benjamin D. Clark, a Salt Lake City broker and president of the National Association of Exclusive Buyer Agents.”

That’s what we’ve needed — a buyers’ shill to counteract the propaganda of the sellers’ shills.

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-05-26 06:39:53

Council mulls foreclosure sale program
BATAVIA, NY

Councilman Tim Buckley proposed an idea to take foreclosed properties and sell them at a minimal price to city employees. Based on a successful program in Rochester, the idea is to take properties that might otherwise get bought by future landlords and instead turn them into single family homes.

“This would allow a young person to get started with housing,” Buckley said. “It would give them an opportunity to get some equity, and to get a loan.”

He said as a young patrolman for the city police department, he would have appreciated a chance to buy his own place.

Councilwoman Patti Pacino, while looking perplexed, asked why it would have to just be for city employees. She was under the impression, she said, that the city was trying to entice new residents to move in.

“It would be nice to have people to move into a house, whether it’s city employees or our own children,” she said.

Why not open it up to all citizens, Councilwoman Rose Mary Christian said. It’s a great idea, she said.

“But, I would be totally against it just for city employees,” she said. “There are other people out there too. I would rather offer it to the community.”

Councilman Sam Barone agreed, adding that “you need to be a little bit more open to all citizens.”

Christian asked for starting salaries of city fire and police personnel. No one had that information, but it is to be provided at a future meeting.

Some council asked why she wanted those details and she said that since Buckley referred to helping out folks in the fire and police department, she would like to know what they earned.

Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-26 08:21:30

“Councilwoman Patti Pacino, while looking perplexed, asked why it would have to just be for city employees. Why not open it up to all citizens, Councilwoman Rose Mary Christian said. Councilman Sam Barone agreed, adding that “you need to be a little bit more open to all citizens.”

Given New York’s restrictive ballot access laws, the lawyers who manipulate them, and the interests that fund them, expect these three to be off the ballot when their terms are up.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 08:27:12

Sounds pretty commie to me: For the government by the government.

 
Comment by cactus
2010-05-26 08:29:42

Councilman Tim Buckley proposed an idea to take foreclosed properties and sell them at a minimal price to city employees.”

reminds me of what I imagined old Russia to be like if you are a loyal party memember you get benefits

 
Comment by reuven
2010-05-26 12:08:26

“that might otherwise get bought by future landlords”?

This is outrageous! They don’t want “landlords” owning these houses because G-d-only-knows what kind of disgusting renters, or poor people may move in! Instead they want to hand select nice police officers, teachers, or city worker: The “right” (white?) kind of people!

And what gives them the right to buy property and sell them at a “minimal price”? If they’re selling them “below market” (whatever that means in this day and age for a house in upstate NY), then won’t the fireman, etc, have to pay income tax on the difference between the FMV and the discounted price of the house?

Are they going to attempt to buy these houses on the open market, or somehow coerece the lender–under force of law–to sell these houses to the government?

Comment by polly
2010-05-26 13:51:26

I wonder if city bond ratings are influenced by what percentage of the housing stock is owner-occupied as opposed to rental?

 
Comment by sfrenter
2010-05-26 14:56:50

I may not agree, but the logic behind this is that in some places many public employees cannot afford to live where they work. This is especially true in San Francisco.

Our “bloated salaries” (yes I hear all of you complaining about how much money school teachers earn) make it impossible to own a home, or to rent a house big enough to raise a family.

A 2-bedroom in my city is between 2-3K, just a little under my monthly TAKE HOME pay. And BTW, as a full-time teacher I pay $600 month for health care.

Comment by potential buyer
2010-05-26 16:29:52

I’m OK with the idea that the housing is made available to everyone.

I’m all for knocking those cash buyers out of the market - the ones who buy in bulk for a cheap price, slap a coat of paint on then turn around and sell for huge profits.

I’m just pissed that the same offers aren’t made to me.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-26 16:51:26

I’m all for knocking those cash buyers out of the market - the ones who buy in bulk for a cheap price, slap a coat of paint on then turn around and sell for huge profits.

I’ve been noticing some of that activity here in Tucson. Spotted one just the other day. I helped myself to one of those info flyers, and it noted two of the three things I look for in the remodeling of an older house:

1. Electrical rewiring
2. Re-piping of the plumbing
3. New HVAC system

I didn’t see any mention of rewiring, but, hey, two outta three ain’t bad.

But I still thought the price was too high.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:00:13

People who complain about how much teachers make are idiots.

Granted, there are some places in this country where the pay is out of line (NYC for example), but most teachers are barely in the lower to mid middle class.

And there’s that NYC thing again. You people in the NE need to get out more often. The rest of this nation is NOTHING like where you live.

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Comment by reuven
2010-05-26 22:24:18

“People who complain about how much teachers make are idiots.”

I’m an idiot!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-05-26 06:44:07

A ground breaking study by the Federal Reserve

Study: Poor math skills more likely to lead to foreclosure

MADISON (WKOW) — New research suggests it’s more important than ever to pay attention in algebra class.

A new study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta suggests homeowners with poor math skills are much more likely to lose their homes to foreclosure than homeowners with strong math skills.

According to the research paper and reporting by The Economist, 20% of homeowners with the worst math skills went into foreclosure, compared to 5% of homeowners with the best math skills.

Researchers used math quizzes and tests to determine skills.

The study also found that borrowers with the worst math skills are behind on their home payments 25% of the time. Homeowners who scored best on the math quizzes are behind about 10% of the time.

Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-26 09:23:52

“A new study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta suggests homeowners with poor math skills are much more likely to lose their homes to foreclosure than homeowners with strong math skills.”

That’s just total BS. Foreclosure is more a function of buying at the wrong time, than poor math skills. A concerted propaganda campaign can overwhelm the best of math skills.

The housing bubble didn’t happen because some people have poor math skills. Arguably, some with excellent math skills greatly enabled it, leading to the eventual collapse and associated foreclosures.

So we’re supposed to believe it’s people with poor math skills that were the problem instead of the horrendous policy decisions of the Fed?

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 09:39:37

Three points:

1. Correlation does not equal Causation. Thus the author of the article does indeed appear to draw an incorrect conclusion. It’s very likely that “less intelligence” results in both poor math skills and in more likelihood of buying a home at the wrong time (e.g. when prices are high).

2. The article doesn’t imply that people with poor math skills were the cause of the bubble, just says they’re more likely to go into foreclosure.

3. It’s not an “instead of” case. It was caused by both - people with poor math skills making bad decisions, and people with great math skills (bankers) getting really greedy.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 09:46:54

I’m sorry SDGreg, I’m going to have to disagree with this statement. People may have been razzle-dazzled and intimidated into thinking people “smarter than them” had figured it all out for them.

But in fact the math we learned in 4th and 5th grade easily disputed their tales of nirvana. You take your take home income and you subtract all your bills and when you have the balance you decide if you can actually live on that every month. It’s not that hard to come up with every incidental if you keep a detailed check register and go through the previous year. You also must consult a years worth of credit card statements. You need to leave a bit more of a cushion for unexpected emergencies.

Let’s see. How many times did Wells Fargo and Chase and a few others give me some pie in the sky figure and I only laughed at them. The back of the envelope calculations said no way. Their figures left us like $200/month for a family of four to live on in high energy bill and highly taxed upstate NY. Yeah, right! Like I’m that flipping stupid.

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“Foreclosure is more a function of buying at the wrong time, than poor math skills. A concerted propaganda campaign can overwhelm the best of math skills.

The housing bubble didn’t happen because some people have poor math skills. Arguably, some with excellent math skills greatly enabled it, leading to the eventual collapse and associated foreclosures.”

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 10:04:58

But in fact the math we learned in 4th and 5th grade easily disputed their tales of nirvana.

That’s only if you were good at doing the “story problems”, where you actually had to apply the math principles to real-world scenarios.

(See The Far Side cartoon “Hell’s Library” for everyone’s feelings on story problems.)

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 11:02:52

Really….if you can’t follow the prompts provided by your checkbook and credit card statements to know what potential costs will come up in a year’s time, you probably are not making enough to afford to be in a home. There is no advanced math involved. They used to give a math test to cashiers to see if they understood basic math concepts. Cashiers make minimum wage. The ideas on the test are no more complex than the back of envelope list it takes to figure out if the basic salaried wage slave can cash flow home ownership or not.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-26 10:48:11

“But in fact the math we learned in 4th and 5th grade easily disputed their tales of nirvana.”

I’m not sure that alone was enough. Some decent financial education, which many people lack, could have been helpful. You could have had enough math skills to ask many or most of the right questions and still gotten the wrong answers. Those without the math skills probably weren’t even asking those questions.

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Comment by In Montana
2010-05-26 15:15:26

I keep hearing that high schools ought to teach basic personal finance, but I think plenty of them do already. My stepson had it senior year but as soon as he ws out of Marine boot camp the bill collectors started calling.

At that age, in one ear and out the other.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:02:44

It’s not just, it’s also the fact that young adult’s wages are nowhere near close enough to pay for even basic living.

24k a year is the new poor. If you make less than that, you’re screwed.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-05-26 16:49:56

Actually, the math we learned in 4th or 5th grade would have justified buying all the house you could, using an I/O mortgage. Houses were going up 20% a year, for cripes sake. Do the math! What was needed was the knowledge of -history- that would have informed them about the end results of all previous financial bubbles.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-05-26 09:32:47

“Study: Poor math skills more likely to lead to foreclosure”

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAAAAAHAHAHAHA!

That one is priceless…

 
Comment by mikey
2010-05-26 13:33:14

“The study also found that borrowers with the worst math skills are behind on their home payments 25% of the time. Homeowners who scored best on the math quizzes are behind about 10% of the time.”

Go figure…

;)

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-05-26 07:19:15

“This is a market purely on life support, sustained by the federal government,” he said at the Mortgage Bankers Association conference. “Having FHA do this much volume is a sign of a very sick system.”
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-24/fha-home-financing-volume-sign-of-very-sick-system-update2-.html

Comment by SDGreg
2010-05-26 09:36:41

““It’s a much better environment than any time in the recent past for borrowers who want to buy homes,” she said. As a result, more than half of Fannie Mae loans for home purchases have been to “low-to-moderate income families,” Pallotta said.”

And what percentage are for speculators? With housing still overpriced and the labor market likely to remain very weak in terms of both employment and wages for a long time to come, this could all end very badly.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-05-26 13:46:30

This might be a re-post but those damned MBA Fools can’t even manage their own HQ mortgage and RE.

WSJ REAL ESTATE

FEBRUARY 6, 2010, 5:57 P.M. ET.Mortgage Bankers Association Sells Headquarters at Big Loss .

By JAMES R. HAGERTY

Like millions of American households, the Mortgage Bankers Association found itself stuck with real estate whose market value has plunged far below the amount it owed its lenders.

But the trade group for mortgage lenders is refusing to say exactly how it extracted itself from that predicament.

On Friday, CoStar Group Inc., a provider of commercial real estate data, announced that it had agreed to buy the MBA’s 10-story headquarters building in Washington, D.C., for $41.3 million. The price is far below the $79 million the trade group says it paid for the glass-walled building in 2007, while it was still under construction. The price also is far below the $75 million financing that the MBA received from a group of banks led by PNC Financial Services Group Inc. to finance the purchase…”

http://tinyurl.com/yjtd9yy

say…D’oh !

:)

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 14:04:00

:) :) :)

It just doesn’t get any more Schadenfreudy than that!

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-05-26 07:22:10

Addressing a Bank of Japan conference in Tokyo, Bernanke warned that any curbs on central bankers’ ability to execute monetary policy would lead to economic instability and “undesirable boom-bust cycles”.

???? and this is different from what we have now???

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 07:56:52

It all depends on your perspective. The current mode of boom-bust cycles is actually very desirable, for a certain… segment… of the population.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 08:15:43

No — this *is* what we have now.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 08:31:11

Bernanke: “and remember, Its not a boom if nobody could have seen the bust coming. Its not a bust if you deny the existence of the boom and blame whatever happened on someone else.”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 10:38:52

And never forget that things are so much better than they would have turned out had BB and TTT failed to do whatever it is they did to save the world.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:03:48

“???? and this is different from what we have now???”

Right?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 07:27:41

Funny how so many non ‘experts’ knew the spring fling was only temporary, with so many grabbing the 8k.

Experts see underlying weakness in housing.

Spring sales propped up by expiring tax incentive, low mortgage rates
msnbc.com

The housing market had a spring fling with buyers hoping to find bargains using the now-expired government tax credits and record low interest rates.

Now it’s back to reality.

The sweet sales pace of March and April, many experts agree, will sour by mid-summer, and the national housing downturn has not yet ebbed.

Comment by shelby
2010-05-26 08:00:01

Yep, just in time to start lowballing all the FB Sellers who didn’t get a Contract during the 8K give-away

I think by Aug-Sept the handwritting will be on the wall

-’specially for those who “have” to sell

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 09:22:07

“Yep, just in time to start lowballing all the FB Sellers who didn’t get a Contract during the 8K give-away”

For my area, that means I’d be lowballing 3500 sq foot plus as under 3000 and even a few nicer 3000 - 4000 sq footers sold before the cut off. Although I could certainly get used to living in one, I’m not sure I’d want to heat such a beast in a hyperinflationary environment. Besides, is it possible we’d see another wave of lay-offs? Certainly state workers here in this state are yet to see any repurcussions yet from the first slowdown so that impact is still to be felt. We haven’t had the commercial RE weakness rear its ugly head yet and the state hasn’t even begun to increase taxes and fees that could end up pushing homeowners out of here. I might want more confidence in how the big picture is going to shake out before I can commit to anything long term.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-05-26 11:30:46

We owned 4,000 sq ft (aka “the woman killer”). I think 2,200-2,600 sq ft feels more like a home. It loses its “soul” too big.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 13:17:42

I don’t know if its true of that size of home in all geographic areas but I noticed locally the 4000 sq footer often looks just like my 2500ish home only bigger. They can cost 2-3x as much for no additional land, no additional kitchen space/design of kitchen, no additional size to baths except for sometimes the master. There is often a lovely breakfast room and soaring entrances though, oh and the must have marble countertops so I guess I shouldn’t complain. I dunno, for 3x more I expected something beyond cookie cutter.

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-05-26 15:19:46

‘It loses its “soul” too big.’

Yep, unless it’s full extended family. When I was in JC a guy in my anthro class invited me to his “home” which turned out to be a South Pasadena mansion his folks were caretakers for. Drop cloths on all the furniture, whole wings closed off. As an 18 year old I judged the place badly in need of kids.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-05-26 20:23:03

So Pasadena has some truly lovely redone homes. I wish I could afford to live there. Nice area.

CarrieAnn-
We are craving different homes. Neither bad, or better, just different.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 07:34:19

No problem, just raise taxes, since a state can’t print money. Perhaps it’s time for every state to get it’s very own patented federal reserve printing press.

DiNapoli says NY racking up more debt
The Business Review (Albany)

New York state is on the brink of racking up more unsustainable debt, state Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli warned on Tuesday.

DiNapoli studied three proposals for borrowing floated this year by Lt. Gov. Richard Ravitch and Democrats in the Senate and Assembly. He didn’t like what he saw: annual principal and interest payments of between $725 million to $850 million—or more.

The proposed borrowing would be used to cover operating expenses and help close the state’s $9.2 billion deficit.

“When you borrow to close budget gaps, there’s nothing to show for it but the billions taxpayers pay out each year—no roads, no schools, no bridges,” DiNapoli said. “It’s time to put aside borrowing proposals and move forward with a budget that recognizes New York’s fiscal reality. Every day of delay is just more wasted time.”

Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-26 07:40:51

“No problem, just raise taxes.”

All the other states could solve their fiscal problems by increasing the state and local tax burden as a share of income to the level of New York.

What is New York supposed to do?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 08:12:48

“What is New York supposed to do?”

Tax other states and even countries, through Megabank, Inc’s banking piracy scam operations.

Comment by cactus
2010-05-26 08:33:52

“What is New York supposed to do?”

Tax other states and even countries, through Megabank, Inc’s banking piracy scam operations.”

yea they could do that

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:06:40

God knows they they’ve been trying to tax other states for decades and keep getting slapped down by that interstate tariff thingy in the Constitution.

Yet another reason I hate that state.

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Comment by polly
2010-05-26 08:25:18

The really interesting thing to watch is what is going to happen in New Jersey. The new governor is slashing local subsidies and he is doing it quickly - no gradual phase outs over a few years. No state tax increases of any kind (though NJ is already pretty high for income, sales and property taxes) and I think he is pushing a prop 13 like cap of property tax increases. New Jersy is generally cushioned economically from being a suburb of NYC in the north and a suburb of Philly in the south, but I don’t know how effective that is going to be in the current circumstances.

Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-26 08:42:39

New Jersey’s public employees contribute a lot to their own pensions compared with New York’s public employees.

But the State of New Jersey and its localities have contributed little or nothing to those same pensions for years, in one case borrowing money out of the pension plan to pay for tax cuts.

Christie’s budget includes no pension contributions.

This makes that state’s other problems look tame.

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Comment by polly
2010-05-26 10:14:22

No pension contribution at all? So he is trying to force a pension default? Hmm…interesting idea. Might be best to be the first state to default on pension obligations rather than one of the later ones. Does he really think he can cut in line ahead of CA for assistance? Or is it just a back door sort of way to force the defined benefit pensions to give up and convert all the employee contribitions into a 401(k) program? You might even be able to get the IRS and PBGC to agree to something like that…..

 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-26 10:41:05

http://blog.nj.com/njv_johnbury/2010/05/christies_missing_class.html

From a pension actuary.

“Governor Christie is set to propose a permanent 2.5 percent limit on annual raises for public workers, including police, firefighters and teachers, and will allow towns to discard civil service rules governing employee hiring and firing. His justification:
“People in New Jersey now feel as if there have become two classes of people in New Jersey: Public employees who receive rich benefits, and those who pay for them.”

“He is correct about the first class but sadly mistaken about the second. It doesn’t exist yet.”

“Nobody has been asked to pay for those rich benefits. The state continues to defer pension payments. No trust even exists for promised OPEB health benefits. Local governments are paying out 80% of the property taxes they collect in salaries and bonding where they can while they can.”

That’s $400 billion in debts already run up for past services with no class identified (or expecting) to pick up the tab.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-05-26 22:58:42

WT:

You know I have been harping on this for years…work rule changes, time shifting employees and of course make it easy to fire poor workers…..

 
 
 
Comment by The_Overdog
2010-05-26 08:29:11

According to this chart, NY’s state tax rate is not out-of-the-ordinary-onerous, so they have plenty of room to raise to Hawaii and Oregon levels.

This is a great chart to look at by the way. Pretty scummy that tax rates shoot up dramatically for small increases at lower income levels, but then tail off dramatically for the wealthy who have higher incomes and could theoretically handle higher marginal rates.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/228.html

I’d be inclined to say the US federal income tax is slightly more fair.

Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-26 08:40:26

You are missing something important: New York State shifts its tax burden to the local level through mandates. For example, New York shifts a large part of the cost of Medicaid and other social services to local governments.

As a result, New York’s local tax burden as a share of its residents’ income is double the national average. New York City is one of the few to have a local income tax in addition to a state income tax — property taxes are high elsewhere.

Combined, New York State’s tax burden as a share of income is the highest in the U.S. save (in some years) Alasaka and Wyoming, where the taxes are on oil and minerals not residents and other businesses. New Jersey and Connecticut (wealthly states) and California (prop 13) are much lower.

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Comment by packman
2010-05-26 07:59:46

“When you borrow to close budget gaps, there’s nothing to show for it but the billions taxpayers pay out each year—no roads, no schools, no bridges”

I would say “he forgot buildings”, except actually there are buildings to show for it. Lots and lots of new buildings, each one with an ATM or two on the outside and a vault on the inside, and few smiling tellers.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 08:48:42

The Wall Street Journal also detects a whiff of deflation:

Meanwhile, the fundamental trend in the West remains profoundly deflationary. Last week the U.S. government reported that the country’s core consumer price index (CPI) inflation rate slid in April to its lowest level in 44 years.

It is also the case that, if the U.S. headline CPI remains flat from May onwards, the year-on-year headline CPI inflation rate will then fall to 1.4% in June and zero by January from 2.2% in April. This trend will reawaken deflationary concerns prompting Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke to keep interest rates at zero.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 09:21:50

prompting Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke to keep interest rates at zero.

LOL - this implies that he’s actually made any move whatsoever to raise rates in the near future. He hasn’t.

If/when he actually does raise them, it’ll be by minuscule and meaningless amounts. They’ll certainly stay below 2% for at least 3-4 more years IMO, and probably below 1%.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 09:52:07

Come on! Rates are NEAR zero, not zero. Don’t embellish the facts. Bernake still has room to go lower if he wanted to but the recovery is going so well he can afford not to cut.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 10:07:58

Dang - that’s right. Theoretically until they’re actually at zero - rates can actually go infinitely lower (if you use the right division).

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 10:23:19

You see! Bernanke didn’t just get “man of the year” for his good looks. That is one sharp cookie.

 
 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-05-26 10:37:16

I’m whiffing inflation AND deflation.

Economic growth and rising living standards? Not so much.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:09:57

BULLCRAP! I haven’t seen anything but wages decrease!

 
 
Comment by dude
2010-05-26 08:55:19

I was thinking yesterday about the oil spill in the gulf and I came to a small epiphany:

Is there anyone here who could not have effectively closed that well off within the first week with about $10 million? (think sand and gravel)

BP needs to be nailed to the wall on this, hunted to the ends of the earth. They spent the first month trying to conserve the well for future use, and for that they should pay.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 09:56:25

Obama says he has been “on it since day one”. Guess clogging it with green shoots and unicorn $hit didn’t work on this one like all of the others.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 10:33:43

I guess oil spills are much harder to contain than banking crises?

 
 
Comment by michael
2010-05-26 10:14:05

5,000 feet underwater makes things very difficutl.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 10:36:25

Is that how far underwater the U.S. housing market has gone already?

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 10:59:26

Cantankyaenough - we’re gonna get fat from all these zingers you’re throwing out there.

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Comment by dude
2010-05-26 11:07:11

5000 feet under water makes it difficult, if your main goal is preserving the well that cost you million and millions to put in place.

They are going to end up ruining the well to stop the flow anyway, why didn’t they do that first?

I stand by my prior statement. Accidents happen, greed caused this tragic accident to morph into catastrophe.

Comment by pismoclam
2010-05-26 15:09:48

Obama didn’t do anything for 12 days. Then the Minerals Team went rafting on the Colorado Riv. Let’s blame BUSH.

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Comment by james
2010-05-26 17:04:29

Guys,

Bush is one guy. Obama is one guy. They have no freaking clue what to do. Not one bit. And they have a lot less engineering and scientific background.

They are baby kissers and smooth talkers.

We need to hear from the drilling engineers and maybe the guys in the Navy about what we can do about this.

I’m agreeing with the people above though. Thought we use some explosives to collapse the well a long while ago.

Then we seize all of BPs assets and use clawback provisions to attach the other marginally guilty inDUHviduals and companies. Halliburton as well. Liquidate the bastards to help pay for the clean up.

If the English are pissed. So be it.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-26 17:08:21

Well yes, since most of those people are left overs from the Bush era.

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-05-26 15:59:07

“5,000 feet underwater makes things very difficult.”

It would be less difficult on me if we armed the BP CEO with a mask, snorkle, little yellow ducky frog feet and one heavy, heavy weight belt and had him go down…and take a look.

The swimsuit is optional but I’d highly recommend it for public safety before we push him in.

:)

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:15:26

:lol: Some of you guys know nothing about about basic science, do you?

5000ft (1 mile) and 2300 psi. ain’t the local playground.

Comment by dude
2010-05-27 10:24:11

Maybe my understanding of science is more limited that I thought, are you saying that sand and gravel is affected by 2500 psi?

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 09:01:39

Gold at $36,000 Not as Ridiculous as It Sounds? ~ CNBC.com

Gold has reached record highs in recent weeks, but it will continue to rise, Ben Davies, CEO of Hinde Capital told CNBC Wednesday.

Gold should be viewed not as a commodity, but as a cash supplement, Davies said.

“There’s been such proliferation of currency,” he said. “As a consequence, gold is very undervalued.”

“I could be really obtuse and say $36, 000,” he said. “But actually it’s not as ridiculous as it might sound.”

If all the reported Fort Knox gold was re-valued at $36,000 per ounce, it would pay off all the debt in the US, he said.

On Monday, Dennis Gartman reversed his call for gold investors to rush to the exits, saying the precious metal was no longer overbought, but also warned that it was a technical call and he is “not a gold bug.”

Davies argued that as the money supply increases, gold will see an increase in use as currency, boosting demand. Emerging markets will also buy gold to increase reserves, he added.

Great dynasties in history have come out of crises with large amounts of gold to use in the markets to buy cheap assets, Davies said.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 10:11:05

Yes, I’m sure gold will hit $36,000.

Eventually.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 10:26:30

Would we at that point be priced out of gold forever? Just asking…

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 10:31:11

Why not project gold at $360,000 an ounce? Don’t set your sites low in life: All things are possible!

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 10:36:51

I’m not selling my gold for less than a trillion dollars an ounce. The price is firm.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 10:38:31

“Serious inquiries only. No low-ballers.”

Comment by Speedingpullet
2010-05-26 12:10:11

I’m with nouriel roubini on this one: you’re better off buying cans of Spam. At least you can eat it in an emergency…

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Comment by mikey
2010-05-26 16:05:24

“I’m with nouriel roubini on this one: you’re better off buying cans of Spam. At least you can eat it in an emergency…”

Spam = A RE agent in a car…Pewey !

:(

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by seen it all
2010-05-26 09:53:22

Inflation vs. Deflation

http://dshort.com/charts/guest/TLT-DBB-100526.gif

This chart tells the tale.
It shows base metals versus T-bonds.

According to the chart, now would be a good time to buy base metals and sell treasuries……unless of course the historical trend is broken (i.e. bond prices continue to sky rocket, and base metal prices drop further)
one to watch!

Comment by mathguy
2010-05-26 12:26:30

I love how charters look at a chart, see a big red line labeled “resistance” pulled out of NOWHERE.. with clear breaks to the high side in it at points in the past.. no explanation of the breakthroughs.. no explanation of the reason that level is “resistance”, but this must mean we are in for deflation.

I’m not saying metals and bills are not correlated, just saying charts don’t say s%!t about what’s going to happen in the future. They just show you when people made decisions about the price of something in the past.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 10:03:04

From the Editors of American Banker
Questioning Libor as a Peg for Loans in the U.S.
Europe woes revive doubts about index’s accuracy

In the past few weeks, Libor – the influential composite of short-term borrowing costs for some of the world’s largest banks – has risen sharply, reflecting Europe’s debt tremors.

For consumers, in turn, the spike adversely affects a variety of loans in this country, not least of all home mortgages; the index is the primary benchmark used to determine rates on most jumbo loans now issued, and it underlies many of the subprime loans issued during the boom. Libor’s fluctuations also determine the monthly rates on many commercial loans here.

With the U.S. economy showing signs of a fledgling recovery, some now question whether it makes sense to enmesh the loan rates of U.S. homeowners and small businesses with the ill health of European financial institutions and governments.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 11:17:01

“Europe woes revive doubts about index’s accuracy”

Is the LIBOR a particularly challenging index for central bankers to rig?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 11:29:57

Never trust an interest rate that is set by fundamentals, such as complete evaporation of trust in the global banking system.

market pulse

May 26, 2010, 12:02 p.m. EDT

Dollar Libor extends climb, but pace of rise slows
By William L. Watts

LONDON (MarketWatch) — The three-month U.S. dollar London interbank offered rate, or Libor, extended its climb to another 10-month high on Wednesday, but the pace of its rise slowed as market tensions surrounding North Korea and South Korea and euro-zone debt woes appeared to ease. Libor was fixed at 0.5378%, the British Bankers’ Association said, up from 0.5363% on Tuesday. Rising Libor and the widening of related spreads still underline tensions in money markets. The TED spread, which measures the gap between the rate on three-month Treasury bills, remained near a 10-month high of 37 basis points, rising from levels in the low teens last month. The spread between Libor and overnight index swaps, another measure of banks’ willingness to lend to each other, was seen at 32.7 basis points, up from around 31 basis points Tuesday. In contrast, however, the two-year U.S. asset swap spread, viewed as a gauge of corporate lending slipped to 45.50 basis points from around 50 basis points on Tuesday, according to FactSet.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-26 12:20:57

Wasn’t it just yesterday “they” were saying that the rush outta Euros the past week would help keep US mortgage rates low?

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 13:46:16

I didn’t realize the LIBOR was primarily used as “the primary benchmark used to determine rates on most jumbo loans now issued, and it underlies many of the subprime loans issued during the boom. Libor’s fluctuations also determine the monthly rates on many commercial loans here.”

Basically everything that is still left to go boom.

 
 
 
Comment by rosie
2010-05-26 10:28:21

G8 meeting in Haliburton Ontario, followed buy G20 meeting in Toronto, Ontario. Original security cost, $179 million. Revised estimate one month from meetings $870 million and climbing. Cost of a sense of security for worlds fat cats. Priceless.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 10:28:35

Fair disclaimer: I have no idea of the source of the following story, nor do I have any way to verify its accuracy.

New Law Forces CEOs To Humbly Shrug Before Receiving Massive Bonuses

“Securities and Exchange Commission officials are calling it the
strictest regulatory reform since the Great Depression: CEOs of major
financial institutions will now be required to humbly shrug and smile
sheepishly before accepting huge salary bonuses.

The new regulation, SEC rule 206(b)-7, will reportedly target Wall
Street executives who accept disgustingly bloated annual payouts,
forcing them to raise and then lower their shoulders in a manner that
conveys a mild degree of humility or a sense of “Aw, shucks. Who? Me?”

“This sweeping new reform sends a clear message to fat-cat CEOs at
firms like Goldman Sachs and AIG,” SEC chair Mary Schapiro said
Monday. “Never again will they be able to receive massive bonuses
unless, at a minimum, they flash a gee-I-don’t-think-I-should
expression and say something like ‘Well, all right, but only if you
insist’ first.”

“Mark my words,” she continued, “The days of greedy, out-of-touch
executives pocketing outrageous $40 million bonuses without acting
slightly embarrassed about it are over.”

The crackdown comes on the heels of Wall Street’s 2010 bonus
season, during which not one executive was observed to look at the
floor meekly, sink his hands into his pockets, or dig his right toe
awkwardly into the ground before taking his cut of the estimated $55
billion in payouts.”

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 10:46:25

“Blatant disregard for the law and openly fraudulent actions by CEOs will result in a hearing before a Senate panel where offenders will be barraged with ‘harsh words and stern looks’ for hours before being dismissed to their mega-yachts.”

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:17:38

Priceless.

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-05-26 20:18:46

If the executives don’t comply, I think a politician should step up, take advantage of this rising voter anger and guarantee a win in November by proposing, as a penalty - are you sitting down? A strongly worded letter.

Phew, I’m spent just typing this.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-27 09:45:49

Sounds like The Onion printed this - nice!

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-05-26 10:30:53

Forget the D-word. We are in a “Compression”. You know, a Communist-biased recession where economic activity shrinks as the government grows to consume everything in its path. How does it feel to be compressed?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 10:37:26

“How does it feel to be compressed?”

It’s the flip side of feeling constipated.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 11:03:18

Dang, man - gonna need a treadmill to work off all this weight.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:20:37

Thank god those mega corps that had nothing to with the current FUBAR situation are going to save us!

Oh wait…

I’d much rather have Euro style socialism than the Fortune 500 communism we’ve had to live with.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 10:43:45

SBA out of money for loan breaks
Washington Business Journal

The Small Business Administration once again has run out of money for breaks that made its loans less risky for lenders and more affordable for borrowers.

The economic stimulus bill temporarily increased the government guarantee to 90 percent on the SBA’s flagship 7(a) loans and reduced or eliminated fees on 7(a) and 504 loans, which primarily are used for real estate. Congress has extended these enhancements four times, but the SBA announced Wednesday that it has exhausted all of the funds provided in the most recent extension.

As a result, the agency has reactivated its waiting list for borrowers who want to receive the higher guarantee and reduced fees when — and if — Congress provides funds for another extension. Pending legislation would extend these breaks through the end of the year, but it is not clear whether this bill will be enacted before Congress leaves for its weeklong Memorial Day break.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 11:06:24

Method #813 how the government is artificially propping up the economy.

(Or perhaps better described as Card #813 in the house built thereof.)

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-26 11:32:44

I was at an SBA seminar this past Saturday. ‘Twas sponsored by my Congressman, the “now you see him, now you don’t” Rep. Raul Grijalva. He stayed just as long as he had to, then split. Unlike Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who stayed for the entire SBA seminar that her office hosted earlier this year.

The Saturday message was of the “We have money to loan!” variety.

Well, that may be true, but you still have to qualify for the loan. And, what’s worse, those mean old SBA lenders require a personal guarantee.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:22:39

Have you ever tried to get an SBA loan? The loan and the lack of money to funds those loans are both moot.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 10:58:17

Warning: Crash Dead Ahead. Sell. Get Liquid. Now.
Paul B. Farrell MarketWatch

A bigger meltdown than the credit crisis? Yes, Bush’s team drove America into a ditch. But now Obama and his money men, Summers, Geithner, Bernanke, are digging the hole deeper. Soros says we have not learned “the lessons that markets are inherently unstable.” As a result, “the success in bailing out the system on the previous occasion led to a super-bubble.” Now “we are facing a yet larger bubble.” Worse than 2008?

Yes, the game may be “in the refrigerator,” the lights will go out, but as Soros hints, the electricity may get turned off too. Get it? This may not be a correction. Not even a bear. What’s coming could be worse than the 2000 dot-com crash and the 2008 meltdown combined, a “Super-Bubble” says Soros. And the biggest reason, Nouriel Roubini and Stephen Mihm tell Newsweek, is that “the president’s half-measures won’t fix our failed financial system” because he refuses to “bust up the too-big-to-fail banks.”

Yes, Congress will pass something. But unfortunately, as reported on MSNBC, Senator Dodd, the reform bill’s sponsor, is a turncoat, working overtime with Wall Street lobbyists “to weaken financial reform,” leave us vulnerable to a new, bigger crash in the near future.

How bad is your bookie’s point spread in this game? A blowout? Will the Dow drop below 9,000 again? Now that it’s broken technical supports, will it drop below 6,470, where the last bull rally started in early 2009? Can you handle the nerve-racking volatility generated by Wall Street’s high-frequency traders playing the game at warp-speed with algorithms making thousands of micro-bets in milliseconds, betting billions daily?

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-05-26 11:45:51

‘…“the president’s half-measures won’t fix our failed financial system” because he refuses to “bust up the too-big-to-fail banks.”’

There has never been a better time to invest in too-big-to-fail banks!

 
Comment by packman
2010-05-26 12:21:30

LOL

Exactly how transparent can someone get? The dude went all-in on gold back in February, and now he’s attempting to use his influence to cause a crash.

Soros is pure, unadulterated scum IMO. He’s a wanna-be insider.

Not that I don’t believe we’re in for a correction anyhow, but jeez - he’s pushing for one like there’s no tomorrow (literally).

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:24:05

Insider? The guy IS the inside.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 19:17:16

Nah. He makes too much noise IMO to be a true insider. Those guys are more quiet.

Some that come to mind:

James Johnson
Mark Patterson
Gerald Corrigan
Jim O’Neill
Robert Rubin
Gary Gensler
Gene Sperling
Daniel Mudd
Neil Wolin

People who 99.5% of the American public would say “who?” when you tell them their names (with the possible exception of Rubin), but if you look under the hood you’ll find are actually quite influential. I’m thinking they’re the real PBT (Powers Behind the Throne).

At least that’s my theory. Guys who have real power like to not make as much noise.

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Comment by neuromance
2010-05-26 20:23:09

What Power Looks Like

They ride on Gulfstreams, set the global agenda, and manage the credit crunch in their spare time. They have more in common with each other than their countrymen. Meet the Superclass.”

http://www.newsweek.com/2008/04/05/what-power-looks-like.html

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 11:03:40

A new “mini” stimulus is on the way… Pump baby, Pump!

“Washington is now calling for another stimulus. Larry Summers, senior economic adviser to President Obama, has asked Congress to begin drafting a new stimulus bill in an attempt to prevent a “double dip recession”. The proposed size of this new stimulus is so far only $200 billion, much smaller than the last $787 billion stimulus bill. However, we are sure Congress will increase the size of it, especially if stocks continue their nominal decline. The new stimulus bill will likely coincide with trillions of dollars in additional quantitative easing by the Federal Reserve”.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 11:09:36

much smaller than the last $787 billion stimulus bill

You mean the one whose price grew to $862 billion less than one year after it was approved?

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 11:09:59

I would imagine Georgia Johnny is pimping the hell out of his 15k home buying tax credit. They will be wrapping tons of $tuff into the new and improved ’stimulus’ and 200 billion will be way over shot!

Pump baby, Pump!

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-26 12:00:58

Wow, they sure do have a lot of faith in their abilities, don’t they?

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-05-27 09:48:45

Everything that is not part of the Bailout will become one with the void.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 11:13:31

Obama’s border plan looks similar to Bush’s.
Associated Press Wed May 26

PHOENIX – President Barack Obama’s plan to send as many as 1,200 National Guard troops to the US-Mexico border appears to be a scaled-down version of the border security approach championed by his predecessor.

The 6,000 troops who were sent by President George W. Bush to the border from June 2006 to July 2008 were generally credited within law enforcement circles as having helped improve border security, but restrictions placed on the soldiers were denounced by advocates for tougher enforcement who are now leveling similar objections at Obama’s plan.

Comment by krazy bill
2010-05-26 15:52:59

They ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16483867/

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 11:15:31

AP Exclusive: Witness says BP took ’shortcuts’

COVINGTON, La. (AP) — Senior managers complained oil giant BP was “taking shortcuts” by replacing heavy drilling fluid with saltwater in the well that blew out, triggering the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, according to witness statements obtained by The Associated Press.

Truitt Crawford, a roustabout for drilling rig owner Transocean Ltd., told Coast Guard investigators about the complaints. The seawater, which would have provided less weight to contain surging pressure from the ocean depths, was being used to prepare for dropping a final blob of cement into the well.

“I overheard upper management talking saying that BP was taking shortcuts by displacing the well with saltwater instead of mud without sealing the well with cement plugs, this is why it blew out,” Crawford said in his statement.

A spokesman for BP, which was leasing the rig Deepwater Horizon when it exploded April 20, killing 11 workers and triggering a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, declined to comment.

 
Comment by Green Shoots
2010-05-26 11:25:40

At least the U.S. stock market has righted itself.

Updated Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:26 am TWN, Bloomberg and The Korea Herald Asia News Network

Stocks plunge in Europe and Asia

Asian stocks plundged as European stocks tumbled to an eight-month low and U.S. index futures dropped as signs of weakness in the Spanish banking system increased concern that Europe’s debt crisis is spreading and tensions grew in the Korean peninsular.

Banco Santander SA and Societe Generale SA slid more than 5 percent, leading a gauge of bank shares to the lowest level since July, as Spanish regulators pushed four lenders into merging and the interbank lending rate climbed for an 11th day. BHP Billiton Ltd. and Total SA led commodity producers lower as base metals retreated and crude oil fell below US$68 a barrel.

The benchmark Stoxx Europe 600 Index sank 2.9 percent to 231.04 at 2:26 p.m. in London, heading for the lowest close since September. All 18 western European markets and all 19 industry groups in the Stoxx 600 declined after a report that North Korean leader Kim Jong Il last week ordered his military to prepare for combat.

“If your daily investment strategy horizon is 24 to 48 hours then it’s dangerous,” Nick Nelson, London-based head of European equity strategy at UBS AG, said in a Bloomberg Television interview. “The North Korea and South Korea situation — we have had these concerns before, but the market is now very risk-averse so we are focusing on those issues more than we would normally.”

Comment by In Colorado
2010-05-26 11:45:35

I guess their PPT isn’t as good as ours.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-05-26 12:36:30

…or as big…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-26 14:43:11

Do they even have one?

 
 
 
Comment by Green Shoots
2010-05-26 11:26:57

Updated Saturday, May 22, 2010 0:23 am TWN, By Katrina Nicholas, Bloomberg

Interbank rates in Asia soar on EU credit concerns

The rates banks say they pay for three-month loans are rising in Asia on concern Europe won’t be able to contain its debt crisis.

The three-month Singapore interbank offered rate, or Sibor, rose to 0.49583 percent Friday, the highest since July 30, according to the city state’s Association of Banks. Rates in Malaysia are at the most in 16 months and reached a one-month high in South Korea.

“This is a reflection of apprehension about credit risk in the banking sector,” Martin Hohensee, Singapore-based head of Asia fixed-income research at Deutsche Bank AG, said in a phone interview.

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-05-26 11:44:05

Looks like great investing opportunities lie in store for those who have cash to loan out to bankers at soaring short term rates.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 12:12:07

NYers wage jihad vs. WTC mosque
NY Post

Angry relatives of 9/11 victims last night clashed with supporters of a planned mosque near Ground Zero at a raucous community-board hearing in Manhattan.

After four hours of public debate, members of Community Board 1 finally voted 29-1 in support of the project. Nine members abstained, arguing that they wanted to table the issue and vote at a later date.

The board has no official say over whether the estimated $100 million mosque and community center gets built. But the panel’s support, or lack of it, is considered important in influencing public opinion.

HOLY WAR: A protester last night interrupts a Community Board 1 meeting, where the proposed site for a mosque two blocks from Ground Zero won overwhelming support, in a 29-1 vote.

Holding up photos of loved ones killed in the Twin Towers and carrying signs such as, “Honor 3,000, 9/11 — No mosque!” opponents of the proposed Cordoba House on Park Place called the plan an insult to the terror-attack victims.

“That is a burial ground,” said retired FDNY Deputy Chief Al Santora, referring to the fact that victims’ remains were scattered for blocks.

Santora’s 23-year-old son, Christopher, was the youngest firefighter to die that day.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 12:15:46

The RI PTB just need to tax the crap out of it’s citizenry across the board, problem solved.

Wait grows longer for R.I. tax refunds.
Journal Staff Writer

PROVIDENCE — Thousands of Rhode Island income-tax refunds are being delayed longer than previously reported because of state cash-flow problems.

Overall, the state has delayed payment of about 53,000 individual income-tax refunds — totaling about $36.3 million — to make sure it has enough money to pay off state borrowings that come due in June, said Paul L. Dion, chief of the state Office of Revenue Analysis.

When the issue first arose earlier this month, state officials said they were delaying payment of refunds by about three weeks after the returns were processed. As of Tuesday, however, the delay had grown to between four and six weeks, state officials acknowledged.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 12:19:26

Sestak White House scandal called ‘impeachable offense’
‘It’s Valerie Plame, only bigger, a high crime and misdemeanor’

Joe Sestak Back On Hill After Defeating Spector In PA Primary

If a Democratic member of Congress is to be believed, there’s someone in the Obama administration who has committed a crime – and if the president knew about it, analysts say it could be grounds for impeachment.

“This scandal could be enormous,” said Dick Morris, a former White House adviser to President Bill Clinton, on the Fox News Sean Hannity show last night. “It’s Valerie Plame only 10 times bigger, because it’s illegal and Joe Sestak is either lying or the White House committed a crime.

“Obviously, the offer of a significant job in the White House could not be made unless it was by Rahm Emanuel or cleared with Rahm Emanuel,” he said. If the job offer was high enough that it also had Obama’s apppoval, “that is a high crime and misdemeanor.”

“In other words, an impeachable offense?” Hannity asked.

“Absolutely,” said Morris.

The controversy revolves around an oft-repeated statement by Rep. Sestak, D-Pa., that he had been offered a job by the Obama administration in exchange for dropping out of the senatorial primary against Obama supporter Sen. Arlen Specter.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-26 17:15:31

Me thinks they should look at what Karl Rove offered to certain candidates to stay out of races.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:27:24

Political favors vs treason.

Yeah, I can see how those are equal. :roll:

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-26 12:20:35

I’m overdosing on schadenfreude today…….Sorry, but I must share…..

Got a call yesterday, from an aircraft sales guy. Seems that my former employer is in the process of selling the airplane. During the “Pre-purchase Survey”, it seems that they lost or cannot find any evidence/log entries that the aircraft engines were run on a regular basis while the aircraft was in storage. So they need to find the books, or find someone who ran the airplane, and will sign the logbooks to that effect.

If they cannot document it, they are looking at about $200,000+ worth of mandatory engine inspection work, plus fixing anything they find during the inspection. And because they did not “maintain the engine in accordance with the Approved Maintenance Manual”, their warranty coverage is void.

Sucks to be them.

Told the guy that I wasn’t feeling too cooperative, since in my estimation, I got hosed out of about $15K. Did tell him I would vouch for the work I signed off thru mid-April 2009; all he had to do was find the books I left in the office last July. This may, or may not, matter, since the airplane sat totally unattended (as far as I know) from August thru April

Tried to tell them. But what do I know? I’m just a dumb-azz wrench turner.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 13:35:18

That is good schadenfreude.

I think we all dream that people who undervalued us would one day realize their mistake. Sounds like you got close to the real deal. Congrats!

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:31:12

I’ve learned that even if they realize their mistake, you’re still hosed and they almost never call to pay you to fix their problem.

But yeah, I’ve had my schadenfreude with a couple of companies. They hosed themsleves bad.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-26 13:44:17

Did tell him I would vouch for the work I signed off thru mid-April 2009; all he had to do was find the books I left in the office last July.

Does he know how to find the office? And, once in the office, the books of which you speak? Does he know what books are?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-26 16:01:55

He knows. The trouble is, the guys the aircraft owner sent out to clean up the office won’t know. Which means they may have ended up in the dumpster.

I’m also finding out that the direction I was given by the chief pilot, and what he was telling the aircraft owner, may be two different things.

Hate it when that happens………you know one problem that pilot’s have? They HATE doing paperwork……

It’s just getting better and better.

The sellers know that I signed off an engine ground check in April 2009. This may not matter, if the engine manufacturer wants to be a hard-azz, and says “If it sat static from August 2009 thru April 2010……too bad”.

OTOH, if the manufacturer says something like “If you can show us a log/maintenance entry showing that the engines were maintained thru April 2009, we’ll forgo the teardown”, and they can’t find the right logs, well…………

“Air-plane fixing will be berry-berry good to me…..” :)

Assuming I don’t get amnesia.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 12:30:41

Chained to a lamp post, the terrified Chinese boy whose poverty-stricken father tried to sell him on the street.

A father staged a modern-day slave auction after chaining his son to a lamppost and taking bids from strangers to take the terrified eight-year-old off his hands.

Father Yong Tsui had put up a small table with a sign on it giving the youngster’s age, name, and his capacity for hard work.

But when bidders began to ask how little he could eat, furious passers by turned on the auction and attacked Fai’s father to stop the sale in Wuhan, central China.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1281541/Chinese-boy-chained-lamp-post-father-tried-sell-street.html

Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:33:50

Thank god that doesn’t happen in the crack neighborhoods here.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-05-26 12:31:35

Ruh roh - quite a dive going on in the markets. DJI down about 100 in about 15 minutes.

Soros - please change your mind!!!! Don’t do this to us!!!!

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 13:24:43

I confess that I love those day-end slides, just at the point when it appears the PPT has bamboozled the bulls into rally mode.

Comment by packman
2010-05-26 13:33:58

Annnnnndd…. we have sub-10k close.

Bummer.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-26 16:03:34

They started porn-surfing a little early.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 12:33:08

PPT needs to kick in the turbo charger.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 12:48:51

Dominoes lined up all around the country, hold your wallet and grab your ankles.

More Cities on Brink of Bankruptcy
CNBC ~ May 26, 2010

The possibility of a bankruptcy filing by the city of Harrisburg, Pa., the state capital, looms large these days-and it could be the first in a series, say some Wall Street traders.

Harrisburg, population 55,000, owes nearly $70 million in debt payments this year, and it’s unclear where that money will come from. Harrisburg now has one of the lowest credit ratings of any municipality in the United States.

Harrisburg Mayor Linda Thompson told CNBC Wednesday that she had assembled a group of bond stakeholders, the city council and other interested parties to work out the crisis “so that we don’t become the poster child of the world in terms of bankruptcy.”

Municipal bond underwriters are monitoring Harrisburg, which has struggled to contain the costs of financing a troubled incinerator project.

In 2003, the city borrowed $125 million to expand and retrofit its incinerator, which officials thought would make money for Harrisburg. The incinerator re-opened five years later, but it’s turned out to be nothing but a money drain.

On May 1, the city missed a $452,282 loan payment related to the incinerator.

Raising taxes or selling assets, like real estate or parking lots, are options for Harrisburg. So is a restructuring plan-either inside or outside of bankruptcy.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-05-26 13:29:44

Is it me or did that story come out of nowhere? I wish more light would be shined on the “flyovers” and other smaller cities. Not talking about the blogs but media in general. Ben does a great job of trying to serve everyone.

Comment by ACH
2010-05-26 20:26:12

A lot of us are in flyover. I like it here. Not so many hassles.

Roidy

 
 
 
Comment by BigWig
2010-05-26 12:51:23

“You down with PPT? Yeah, you know me! You down with PPT? Yeah, you know me! You down with PPT? Yeah, you know me! Who’s down with PPT? Every last Crony!!!”

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-05-26 13:07:04

Ha! Been years since I heard that song!

The Euro just couldn’t get up the hill today. Thankfully, we have our best man on the case as we speak. If TTT can’t do it, no one can.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 12:55:13

Good for this guy, one less puke on the streets and no taxpayer funded trial or prison time to cover.

80-Year-Old Chicago Man Kills Armed Home Invader
FOXNews.com

An 80-year-old Chicago man shot and killed an armed assailant who broke into his two-story house in a predawn home invasion Wednesday on the city’s West Side.

At about 5:20 a.m., the homeowner and his wife, also in her 80s, discovered the intruder entering their home through a back door. The homeowner, who had a gun, confronted and killed the burglar on the doorstep, police said. Cops said the intruder also fired his gun during the struggle.

“It’s a good thing they had a gun, or they might be dead,” said Curtis Thompson, who lives next door to the couple, the Chicago Sun-Times reported.

Neighbors described the elderly couple, who both walk with canes, as pillars of the community in Garfield Park, where home invasions have been all too frequent.

Their neighbor, Shaquite Johnson, told MyFoxChicago that the two are “heroes” for fighting off the attacker — and that the shooting means there is “one less criminal” walking the streets.
“They don’t bother no one, so why would anyone do that to them?” she said.

Comment by pismoclam
2010-05-26 15:26:18

Obama, Hillary, and UN want to take your guns. Stock up on ammo.

Comment by ACH
2010-05-26 20:28:43

Er, ammo I have. They took my sandbags for the river.

Roidy

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 13:08:41

PPT went for a few cocktails before the close, they’ll be bright eyed and bushy tailed tomorrow.

 
Comment by BigWig
2010-05-26 13:21:42

They just want S n P above key support level of 1065. Mission accomplished.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-05-26 13:58:44

Boycotts are BS, BP will recover down the road, like it or not. I noticed Jesse “the king of the race pimps” Jackson had about 10 people marching with him in front of a BP station yesterday. What these morons can’t grasp is that the independent franchise owner didn’t do a damn thing wrong. Just offering a service, trying to make a buck and feed his/her family.

Boycott BP movement ~ May 26, 2010

NEW YORK (CNN) — An online movement to boycott BP for its role in the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is growing at a rate of better than 25,000 names a day.

“I won’t buy their gas any more. I won’t patronize a company that’s destroying our planet,” New Jersey resident Patricia Jarozynski told CNN, one of 118,000 fans of the “Boycott BP” Facebook page as of this writing.

Anger is growing along with the size of the spill in the Gulf of Mexico. BP’s environmental catastrophe has Public Citizen, the consumer advocacy group, also calling for a boycott against the oil giant, the first time it’s taking such action against an energy company.

“The boycott sends a clear message that we as American consumers are not going to tolerate corporate illegal activity,” said Tyson Slocum, director of Public Citizen’s Energy Program. “We’re not going to tolerate a company that has a clear demonstrated track record of willful negligence.”

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-05-26 16:09:06

And all this spew about the government “taking over” the well capping.
Yeah, right….

There are maybe a dozen companies worldwide that have the technology/equipment/ROVs to operate that deep. They are probably already working it. All the government can do is sign a new contract.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 14:09:39

The Financial Times
The grasshoppers and the ants – a modern fable
By Martin Wolf
Published: May 25 2010 20:33 | Last updated: May 25 2010 20:33

Everybody in the west knows the fable of the grasshopper and the ant. The grasshopper is lazy and sings away the summer, while the ant piles up stores for the winter. When the cold weather comes, the grasshopper begs the ant for food. The ant refuses and the grasshopper starves. The moral of this story? Idleness brings want.

Yet life is more complex than in Aesop’s fable. Today, the ants are Germans, Chinese and Japanese, while the grasshoppers are American, British, Greek, Irish and Spanish. Ants produce enticing goods grasshoppers want to buy. The latter ask whether the former want something in return. “No,” reply the ants. “You do not have anything we want, except, maybe, a spot by the sea. We will lend you the money. That way, you enjoy our goods and we accumulate stores.”

Ants and grasshoppers are happy. Being frugal and cautious, the ants deposit their surplus earnings in supposedly safe banks, which relend to grasshoppers. The latter, in turn, no longer need to make goods, since ants supply them so cheaply. But ants do not sell them houses, shopping malls or offices. So grasshoppers make these, instead. They even ask ants to come and do the work. Grasshoppers find that with all the money flowing in, the price of land rises. So they borrow more, build more and spend more.

The ants look at the prosperity of grasshopper colonies and tell their bankers: “Lend even more to grasshoppers, since we ants do not want to borrow.” Ants are far better at making real products than at assessing financial ones. So grasshoppers discover clever ways of packaging their grasshopper loans into enticing assets for ant banks.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-26 14:18:25

I can’t tell whether or not this fable has a happy ending?

The grasshoppers and the ants – a modern fable
By Martin Wolf

Published: May 25 2010 20:33 | Last updated: May 25 2010 20:33

When the crash comes to America and households stop borrowing and spending and the fiscal deficit explodes, the government does not say to itself: “This is dangerous; we must cut back spending.” Instead, it says: “We must spend even more, to keep the economy humming.” So the fiscal deficit becomes enormous.

This makes the Asians nervous. So the leader of China’s nest tells America: “We, your creditors, insist you stop borrowing, just as European grasshoppers are now doing.” The leader of the American colony laughs: “We did not ask you to lend us this money. In fact, we told you it was a folly. We are going to make sure American grasshoppers have jobs. If you do not want to lend us money, raise the price of your currency. Then we will make what we used to buy and you will no longer have to lend to us.” So America teaches creditors a lesson from a dead sage: “If you owe your bank $100, you have a problem; but if you owe $100m, it does.”

The Chinese leader does not want to admit that his nest’s huge pile of American debt is not going to be worth what it cost. Chinese people also want to go on making cheap goods for foreigners. So China decides to buy yet more American debt, after all. But, decades later, the Chinese finally say to the Americans: “Now we would like you to provide us with goods in return for your debt to us. Thereupon, the American grasshoppers laugh and promptly reduce the debt’s value. The ants lose the value off their savings and some of them then starve to death.

What is the moral of this fable? If you want to accumulate enduring wealth, do not lend to grasshoppers.

Comment by ACH
2010-05-26 15:46:09

Yo, Grasshopper!
You are @#*&(*&#$ pessimist. Haven’t you seen Honorable Nascent Recovery, Grasshopper? Honorable Wall Street sees a 70% retracement and much needed 20 billion dollars of bonuses. Citibank, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, American Bank, all had perfect quarter.
All is well, Grasshopper. Honorable Fat Cats are purring.

Roidy

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-05-26 15:58:43

Meanwhile, Bernanke’s broken wellhead is spewing dollars uncontrollably.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-26 16:06:00

Do Fat Cats prefer to dine on grasshoppers or on ants?

Comment by mikey
2010-05-26 16:26:43

“Hello ?…Acme Products Supply Company, Wilie here and I’d like to order 1 very large crate of your most vicious giant anteaters…on credit of course”

:)

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-26 17:21:48

Depends if their covered in chocolate.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-26 16:16:27

Frankendodd’s Financial Reform

Wednesday, May 26, 2010
By Glenn Beck

We’ve got another major reform about to get jammed down our throats! Are you excited? It’s the financial reform bill, because those greedy Wall Street fat cats need to be stopped. And this will stop them, because Barney Frank is putting the final touches on this bill.

I have complete confidence that Chris Dodd and Barney Frank have finally ensured there will never be a recession ever again. The Frakendodd monster is at it again and they’re throwing our children in a well.

They’ve got a great track record, especially when it comes to knowing what’s wrong with the financial sector. Remember when Dodd said: “Fannie and Freddie are very, very liquid; they’re in good shape, in my view.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-05-26 16:53:31

They’ve got a great track record, especially when it comes to knowing what’s wrong with the financial sector. Remember when Dodd said: “Fannie and Freddie are very, very liquid; they’re in good shape, in my view.”

Very, very liquid? Yecch. Reminds me of a lower intestinal tract ailment.

 
Comment by pmseatac
2010-05-26 17:55:55

Green squirts !

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-05-26 16:33:37

Olygal certainly would have appreciated this story!

May. 26 2010 - 4:31 pm

Dow finishes below 10,000 as Greece is swarmed by plague of frogs
By MICHAEL ROSTON

So perhaps you heard the news that the Dow Jones Industrial Average just closed for the day below 10,000 points. The market’s been flirting with that psychological break since last week, but it didn’t happened until today.

Bloomberg News is chalking it up to spreading panic from the Greek bailout and downgrades of debt in other European countries. But while everyone is freaking out about the Euro, they should be looking at closer signs of the impending apocalypse. It’s not just the daily protests in Greece over cutting the country’s overstuffed budget. It’s the plague of frogs that descended on a part of the country today:

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-26 17:24:11

test

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-26 17:33:28

c+

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-26 18:22:52

c+ ONLY a c+? Come on jeff I know I’m an A person ;)

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-05-26 19:10:40

o.k. you got an A
But c+ was a good grade for me.
And yes you are an A+ person.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-26 22:12:06

Ahhh you’re a sweet heart. You’re an A+ in my books. :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-26 18:21:25

Okay, I passed. Thanks Ben.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-05-26 17:35:23

Yep, I’d say the cat has officially stopped wiggling.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-05-26 18:24:39

Okay, what cat are you talking about?

 
 
Comment by reuven
2010-05-26 20:54:01

Here’s a business idea:

The IRS has expanded its whistle-blower program:

http://www.irs.gov/compliance/article/0,,id=180171,00.html

I’m wondering if you can make money finding mortgage scamsters just by careful scrutiny of public records. (For example, someone who’s been renting out a house, but mortgage is for a primary residence, and person is taking advantage of forgiven debt tax forgiveness)….

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-05-26 20:56:39

“US money supply plunges at 1930s pace as Obama eyes fresh stimulus”

The M3 money supply in the United States is contracting at an accelerating rate that now matches the average decline seen from 1929 to 1933, despite near zero interest rates and the biggest fiscal blitz in history.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7769126/US-money-supply-plunges-at-1930s-pace-as-Obama-eyes-fresh-stimulus.html

Comment by drumminj
2010-05-26 22:31:28

The M3 money supply in the United States is contracting at an accelerating rate

I thought the fed stopped publishing M3?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 22:44:10

… warning signals… year or so in advance … last summer.

Makes you wonder how the US economy will shape up starting late this summer into next fall?


The M3 figures - which include broad range of bank accounts and are tracked by British and European monetarists for warning signals about the direction of the US economy a year or so in advance - began shrinking last summer. The pace has since quickened.

The stock of money fell from $14.2 trillion to $13.9 trillion in the three months to April, amounting to an annual rate of contraction of 9.6pc. The assets of insitutional money market funds fell at a 37pc rate, the sharpest drop ever.

“It’s frightening,” said Professor Tim Congdon from International Monetary Research. “The plunge in M3 has no precedent since the Great Depression. The dominant reason for this is that regulators across the world are pressing banks to raise capital asset ratios and to shrink their risk assets. This is why the US is not recovering properly,” he said.

I call bullsh!t on that explanation. It seems likely that a primary reason M3 is shrinking is that US bankers threw money down the real estate rathole, which resulted in wealth destruction on an unprecedented scale. What we see now is the natural consequence of US real estate lending standards reverting from utterly insane to merely loose.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-05-26 22:51:24

I like this development. I wish the Wall Street Megabanks would cannibalize each other like the Donner party, until they are mutually shrunk down to efficient scale.

* The Wall Street Journal
* LAW
* MAY 27, 2010

Lehman’s Bankruptcy Estate Sues J.P. Morgan

By MIKE SPECTOR And SUSANNE CRAIG

Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.’s estate sued J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., alleging J.P. Morgan illegally siphoned billions of dollars from Lehman in the days before the troubled investment bank filed for the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history.

The lawsuit alleges that J.P. Morgan Chief Executive James Dimon and other top executives used inside knowledge to take advantage of Lehman as its financial state worsened. J.P. Morgan, the suit alleged, coerced Lehman to turn over $8.6 billion in collateral in September 2008, triggering a liquidity squeeze that contributed to Lehman’s collapse. The estate is hoping to recoup billions in collateral the bank demanded, and billions in other damages.

J.P. Morgan spokesman Joe Evangelisti said the lawsuit “is ill-conceived and meritless, and we will vigorously defend it.”

The lawsuit, long expected, contains among the most-significant allegations to date about the interplay between Lehman and its onetime Wall Street brethren.

J.P. Morgan served as Lehman’s main “clearing bank,” meaning it acted as a middleman between Lehman and its lenders and investors. In this capacity, it knew more than most market players about Lehman’s financial condition, which was growing more dire in the summer and fall of 2008.

The lawsuit alleges J.P. Morgan used this advantage to squeeze billions of dollars out of Lehman by demanding more collateral to cover its risks, ensuring J.P. Morgan “would stand ahead of all other [Lehman creditors]—not just for its clearance exposure, but for all possible exposure that could result from [a Lehman] bankruptcy.”

 
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