June 2, 2010

The Feeling Was That You Couldn’t Go Wrong

USA Today reports on Florida. “When Mark Weeks was laid off from his $90,000-a-year construction job 2½ years ago,he vowed to hang onto his family’s house. But his new job as a safety officer for a Cocoa, Fla., crane rental company barely paid a third of what he used to make, and he wound up unable to pay his mortgage. Wells Fargo filed foreclosure proceedings in December, when Weeks was six months behind on his payments. Weeks hired a lawyer to fight it and move the case to a court-appointed mediator. ‘We just want them to work with us because we can’t make it right now,’ Weeks said. ‘We weren’t asking them to give us a home for free.’”

“Teri Schrettenbrunner, head of Wells Fargo Home Mortgage Communication, said the bank is committed to helping homeowners facing true financial hardship stay in their homes they can afford, but, as is the case with all lending institutions, it has to honor the terms of its contract with the investors. ‘We are bound by the contracts we have with … whoever owns the loan on the back end to do what they find acceptable in modification,’ Schrettenbrunner said.”

The Herald Tribune in Florida. “These days, nearly every Realtor keeps track of foreclosure levels. But foreclosures were in Adam Robinson’s sights even before…establishing his website in 2003. ‘Everybody wants foreclosures right now, and they want a deal on them even though they all already are a deal compared to a few years ago,’ Robinson said. ‘A lot of people are buying properties right off the site without even seeing them.’”

“The Paramount Bay condominium is a 47-story steel-and-glass cadaver, conceived at the height of the real estate boom as another ultraluxury tower in a city that would soon be choking on them. None of this deters Barry Sternlicht, the real estate investor who owns the building. Mr. Sternlicht hopes to foreclose on many of Corus’s errant borrowers, restyle their buildings and sell units for a significant profit once the real estate market recovers. He says he and his investors can afford to wait until then because the F.D.I.C. has provided them with $1.4 billion in zero-coupon financing and an additional $1 billion in low-cost loans that can be used to complete unfinished projects.”

“‘Look at this,’ he says, pointing out the landmarks in the distance: South Beach, Key Biscayne and the downtown Miami skyline. ‘Someone is going to want to live here — someday.’”

“But Linus Wilson, a finance professor at the University of Louisiana, Lafayette, who has studied the F.D.I.C.’s real estate sales, says he thinks the price Mr. Sternlicht paid for Corus will hobble his returns. Mr. Wilson points out that 59 percent of the loans on Corus’s books were no longer performing before the bank failed in September. Corus described another $558 million in the portfolio as ‘problem loans’ that were near default.”

‘Mr. Wilson argues that if Mr. Sternlicht doesn’t sell condos right away, he may have trouble making his first loan payment of $150 million that comes due in October 2011. ‘It is far from guaranteed that he and his investors will make money on this transaction,’ Mr. Wilson says.”

“New construction in Sarasota County is down 93 percent since the 2006 peak, or that it is less than half of what it was in 1988 as the savings and loan crisis rumbled through the economy. And 1988 was a bad year for the local economy, particularly in South Sarasota County, where problems in the commercial lending industry were compounded by the collapse of giant General Development Corp., said Chad Maxwell, a certified commercial investment member. ‘This region was impacted even more severely than the rest of the country by the S&L crisis,’ Maxwell said. ‘It was a good 10 to 15 years for prices to recover’ in South Sarasota County.”

Wink News in Florida . “The economic impact of the oil spill is starting to spread beyond the beaches of Louisiana and Alabama. Some Southwest Florida real estate agents say buyers are backing out of deals because of uncertainty about the oil. Marc Joseph’s office has been getting the calls for more than a week from people unsure about oil who are having second thoughts about buying a Southwest Florida home. Joseph does not plan to make any claims with BP, saying it would be too difficult to quantify for an industry still recovering from collapsing prices and foreclosures.”

“‘Very frustrating,’ Joseph said. ‘We’ve hit every obstacle imaginable down here.’”

The Birmingham News in Alabama. “Sales of beach houses, condos and other vacation properties are bouncing back across the nation after a deep slump, but a giant question mark looms over the budding recovery in Alabama’s coastal communities, in the form of the massive Gulf of Mexico oil spill. So far this year, gross commissions are up 19 percent over 2009 for ERA Class offices in Gulf Shores, Foley and Lillian. The numbers are being boosted by foreclosures, short sales and other deals, said Gulf Shores broker Frank Malone, such as two-bedroom Gulf front condos that can be had for less than $300,000, or about half the price seen five years ago.”

“Cautious buyers help keep the pressure on those prices, Malone added, a trend that’s particularly true in the vacation home market. Many shoppers have done extensive homework before even calling a broker, and they are driven with less emotion than they were during the housing boom. ‘Back in the day, the feeling was that you couldn’t go wrong, and then a lot of people got caught,’ he said.”

“George Haughton of RealtySouth, does about half of his business in the second home market, said this year’s sales are better than he can remember since before Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast in 2005. And at the height of the boom, it wasn’t uncommon for Haughton to show a condo with several other potential buyers milling around.”

“‘Then it was a race to the fax machine to submit an offer before the other agent,’ he said. ‘Those days are no longer.’”

The Atlanta Journal Constitution in Georgia. “When executive Wade Ledbetter leaped at the opportunity to move up in his company, the shackles of relocation snatched him back down to earth. The $30,000 he’d invested in home improvements, the 20 percent he’d put down on his house and the extra payment every year for 7 1/2 years would be a wash, along with settling on a selling price well below what he’d paid for the home and just about all its contents. Add living away from his family in a one-bedroom apartment for eight months while his home languished on the market and his frustration accrued.’

“‘It was horrible,’ said Ledbetter. ‘It was constant, horrid stress. There were a number of times I said to myself, ‘What have I done?’”

“Jill Heineck, chief relocation officer for The Agent Advisory, said one client secured a career advancement from a regional chain to a global one. The company wanted to move him to New England from Tennessee and offered a $140,000 relocation package. But he had purchased a $400,000 home three years earlier, and found it was valued at only $300,000 when it came time to move.”

“After paying that gap plus the cost to close the sale, he wouldn’t be able to afford a down payment on a new home in New England. While his salary increase was significant, it couldn’t bail him out of the jam. End result: He stayed put.”

“When pressed, candidates take another option: short sales. It’s the kind of work keeping John Damiano, an associate broker with RE/MAX of Greater Atlanta, busy. Unwilling to risk foreclosure, new employees — especially those who have been unemployed — willingly take a loss on their house in order to expedite the move to a new job.”

“‘A lot of talented people, the opportunities are passing them by because the package to [cover their entire move] isn’t there. A lot of them are deciding to go through short sales because they can’t afford two mortgages. It’s a difficult position to be in, through no fault of their own,’ Damiano said.”

‘Sometimes, it’s a no-win situation. Munson’s relocation company worked with a candidate from Connecticut who got a job in Atlanta. He carried two mortgages on his home, owed more than $200,000 on his house beyond its value and was going to be paid $150,000 a year. ‘I told him to stay in the house and look for a job in Connecticut,’ Munson said.”

The Post & Courier in South Carolina. “The region’s commercial real estate market, which swelled during the boom years and is now reeling from the recession as businesses shut their doors or downsize, will be dealing with higher vacancy rates and less new development for some time, industry observers say. Darkened storefronts are visible on almost any major corridor in the Charleston metro area, and ‘land available’ or ‘commercial property’ signs sprout up where in better times, office buildings or supermarkets were proposed.”

“As for speculative buildings — office, industrial or retail properties that go up without committed tenants in hand — risk-averse lenders aren’t giving a penny. A recent national survey by the Society of Industrial and Office Realtors found that nine out of 10 respondents believed development was virtually nonexistent in their markets.”

“‘There is not much retail being developed because of a lack of financing. Banks are sitting on the money,’ said Charlie Carmody, broker in charge of Charleston-based CB Richard Ellis Carmody. ‘Because of the lack of tenants wanting to do expansions right now and the amount of available space that is already there, you are not going to develop a new shopping center when there is one right down the street already vacant.’”

News 14 in North Carolina. “The Hue, a condominium building in downtown Raleigh, closed before anyone had a chance to live in it. The multimillion dollar downtown building now has a sign in front announcing it will be closed until further notice. ‘They weren’t able to sell sufficient enough condos to get the financing that they needed from the federal government,’ David Diaz, the president and CEO for the Downtown Raleigh Alliance, said.”

“Diaz said the cost to own one of the condos was reasonable. He said it was in the lower end of the price scale when it came to downtown condos. ‘The average condominium downtown, that’s going for a couple of hundred thousand dollars or higher,’ Diaz said. ‘They had units that were in the $130,000 and $140,000 range.’”

The News & Observer in North Carolina. “When Leslie Black purchased her first home in December in the Rutledge Landing subdivision outside Knightdale, she didn’t expect her opinion of the neighborhood to change so quickly. But shortly after Black moved in, foreclosure signs popped up in front of four houses across the street. The owner of the never-occupied homes, Perry Builders, had gone out of business, and the properties had been taken over by the lender, Branch Banking & Trust.”

“‘They were for sale and then boom,’ said Black, who took advantage of the government tax credit for first-time homeowners to leave her apartment in Raleigh. ‘If I would have known, I wouldn’t have moved in here.’”

“At the peak of the housing boom, Perry Builders was constructing hundreds of homes each year, many of them in eastern Wake County. Rutledge Landing, in a largely undeveloped area, was popular with first-time homebuyers. Single-family homes started at $100,000. It also attracted people with plans to speculate in residential real estate.”

“Among them was John T. Dunn. (who) lives in suburban Washington but grew up near Knightdale. He bought 10 houses in Rutledge Landing in 2003 and 2004. The mortgages had adjustable rate riders, meaning the interest rates reset after a period of time and could spike as high as 13 percent. ‘My intention was to be able to refinance and get a better rate,’ Dunn said.”

“That didn’t happen, and lenders foreclosed on all of his Rutledge Landing homes in 2007. Dunn, who now runs the Self-Sufficient Living Education Institute, a fledgling nonprofit, said he regrets having had to give up the properties. ‘When you don’t have no choice, there’s no alternative,’ he said.”

“One of Dunn’s foreclosed homes is next to property owned by Jim Shallal, a personal trainer and masseur who lives in New York City. Shallal bought nine homes in Rutledge Landing in 2004 after learning about the development from a friend who was a mortgage broker. ‘I was thinking, God, this is just like buying a small apartment building, and it’s better because they’re houses, and the property value of a house goes up higher than an apartment building,’ Shallal said.”

“Shallal’s optimism at that point is best exemplified by the creatively spelled name he chose for his North Carolina real estate company: Furocious Muscle LLC.”

“Like Dunn, Shallal got caught when the interest rates on his loans spiked. After much effort, he was able to refinance the loans and now uses a management company to rent the properties, mostly to people who qualify for the government’s Section 8 housing subsidy program. Shallal wishes the mortgage companies had never lent him the money, which he says he should never have qualified for. He wanted to sell his Rutledge Landing homes long ago, but the foreclosures have made that impossible.”

“‘How am I going to compete with someone selling their house for $100,000 and I’m trying to sell mine for $123,000?’ he lamented.”

“Three of the subdivision’s planned four stages have been completed. The fourth was to include higher-priced houses on land behind Leslie Black’s home on Sweetgrass Street. In addition to the foreclosed homes and empty lots on Sweetgrass, Perry Builders has left behind a partially built shell of a house that has been untouched for more than a year. In addition to the foreclosed homes and empty lots on Sweetgrass, Perry Builders has left behind a partially built shell of a house that has been untouched for more than a year.”

“Black’s neighborBrian Morrill knows all too well what the foreclosures across the street are likely to mean. Morrill and his wife paid $152,000 for their house in late 2007, or $12,000 more than Black paid for a home that is 200 square feet bigger. Morrill is getting a divorce and would like to sell his house. But he doesn’t dare list it. ‘I’m not even going to bother,’ he said. ‘I’m too upside down on it.’”




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Comment by rusty
2010-06-02 05:35:13

I sure hope Everglades City isn’t hit by the oil, that will kill the only two trades they have their, crabbing and fishing. Nice place to visit when it is not too hot, and go out and catch trout , snook and redfish.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-02 06:41:27

Oil clean-up in the ten-thousand-islands would be virtually impossible. The stuff would be there for the next ten-thousand years as a monument to human greed and limitation of our intelligence long after our self-inflicted and merciful extinction.

Comment by rusty
2010-06-02 06:59:07

here come the oil to florida

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/oil-could-hit-florida-panhandle-by-wednesday-720986.html

That will kill the ‘redneck rivera’, and spring break. Ouch for Florida, and I live here.

Comment by SV guy
2010-06-02 07:36:36

The only benefit I see to this spill is any fish now caught in the gulf wont need added butter when frying.

Seriously though, this is an epic failure.

IMO, there will be a rush to levy new taxes and fees on the oil industry to “safeguard” that this never happens again. If anyone thinks these costs wont trickle down, think again.

If I were Emperor, I would hold BP liable for all charges. Effectively bankrupt the company to make everyone, hopefully, whole.

I think this message would be loud and clear.

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Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-06-02 07:56:00

Man, now that my job doesn’t really pay me a paycheck anymore, I’m thinking of heading to key west to dive the USNS Vandenberg or see some reefs or something. Won’t be so fun if it’s all covered in oil.

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Comment by palmetto
2010-06-02 10:57:01

Yep, we’re toast, at least along the west coast of Florida. Man, am I EVER glad I’m a renter. Thinking of relocating to Asheville, which I will do if the stench of crude starts wafting around here.

Those of you who live here like I do no doubt have gotten a load of the intense heat, and it is only the beginning of June. Florida has a good chance of becoming an oil soaked state baking in the heat with a fetid stench, dead waters and beaches. And don’t think the Everglades aren’t going to fill up with oil. It’ll be in the aquifer, there goes the drinking water.

But it’ll be a great time to buy!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Comment by palmetto
2010-06-02 11:05:33

Also I have a question for the bloggers who might know: Obviously this oil spill will intensify the walk-away situation for marginal homeowners in Florida, at least on the Gulf coast. No one’s gonna keep a shorefront home with a gooey beach and the stink of crude. It’s probably even a health hazard. Can the banks go after BP? If I’m thinking about the situation, I’m sure some banker has had the same thought. Deep pockets and all.

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-06-02 11:12:41

Geez, I can’t imagine the stench that Florida could be in for: a combination of crude, dispersant and dead marine life, all baking on the shores in the hot sun.

Florida the stinky.

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-06-02 11:47:16

Sorry for all the posts, but ol’ palmetto’s stuck on this spill. I am watching my beloved adopted state in peril.

Anyway, conspiracy theory of the day, brought to you by the “never waste a good crisis” school: Could it be that this spill will be used to convince people that drilling closer to shore is a good idea, based on the assumption that it is easier to plug a leak in 300 feet of water as opposed to 5,000 feet of water?

And, this is for Eddie: What meds do you have to take and at what dosage to be rendered entirely void of empathy?

 
Comment by james
2010-06-02 14:20:48

Guys, I think the oil will be very dispersed by the time it gets to Florida and even then will soak into the sand in the next 1-3 years. Wild life will recover.

Will it be the same? No. Will you get tar balls like NJ, CA and other places.

However, you might find some once in a lifetime level pricing at beachfront property in the next couple of years.
And it will still be some great beaches.

Try not to panic and over react on this.

This post is for people that can afford to gamble and think a 2-3 year window of waiting for all the cleanup to go through isn’t too much.

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-06-02 15:03:07

palmetto,

Interesting theory. I’ve heard it the other way also? We can’t drill in ANWAR, off the Cali coast etc…, so what’s ‘left’? 5K down!

No idea who’s being truthful though? As I’ve mentioned, in the past I’ve seen a few petrol-catastrophes up close and personal and it doesn’t take a whole lot to make a real mess, even if it’s on dry ground.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-02 15:20:32

I grew up in the oil patch. That doesn’t make me an expert, but IMO we’ve got plenty of oil here. It’s just that the big oil corps want to make all the money, like cutting super lucrative deals with sheiks, rather than have to fairly compensate the landowners like they would in the US.

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-06-02 15:30:45

My sentiments exactly, Ben. I’ve read the Bakken formation is loaded. Plus, early reports on the Gulf spill indicate that perhaps some corners were cut on that rig.

Just as a side note, the local news reported tonight that drilling has begun on a shallow water rig off Louisiana. Boo-yah! The moratorium is for deep water drilling.

I feel so much better.

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-06-02 16:03:56

Ben/palmetto,

Yeah, if the whole Cold War strategy was “He who has oil ‘last’ wins!” was our mantra for 40 years, I think we can safely abandon that now?

I’d never considered the deal making angle, plus those sheiks know how to pull hot chicks! ( It’s all about hot chicks guys )

 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-06-02 19:44:52

Th Marcellus shale in Penn is an outstanding play. We just have to get rid of the environmental fruitcakes like Robert Kennedy and Mackey who want$10 gas.

 
 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-06-02 19:37:10

To bad the Manchurian president Barry is more interested in Dem fund raisers in California (2) and playing 5 hour rounds of golf, then spending time in La or the gulf area (3 hrs) and taking care of the oil spill and helping the people.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-06-02 06:07:48

Weeks hired a lawyer to fight it and move the case to a court-appointed mediator. ‘We just want them to work with us because we can’t make it right now,’ Weeks said. ‘We weren’t asking them to give us a home for free.’”

My - how nice and generous of you. The entitlement mentality does have its limits…

You can’t afford the house. Stop wasting your time and money and move to something you can afford.

Comment by potential buyer
2010-06-02 10:21:13

Wonder what the lawyer’s fees are?

Comment by JohnF
2010-06-02 12:54:05

I read an article where an attorney was charging $1,500 per year (for up to 6 hours of professional time) to clients in foreclosure to keep filing motions and other delaying tactics.

He had dozens and dozens of clients.

Pretty good deal…..pay $1,500 a year to live rent free for a year, two years…. who knows how long…….

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-06-02 06:09:18

Anybody else not feeling a lot of sympathy for today’s batch of “victims?” Oh boo hoo i had to relocate way from my family. boo hoo the $140K (!) relocation package wasn’t enough and I can’t afford a down payment to buy again (rent, you fool!). boo hoo I bought 10 houses but couldn’t refinance and…the bank should have saved me from my greedy self! :roll: Boo hoo I made $90K* in construction and now i don’t…work with us.

“Work with us?” Why? He’s plainly worth ~$45K. He should buy a $100K house that reflects that.

The real problem is that there are no $100K homes to be had. Historically there have been homes priced for evey level of income in the upper 3/4 of income, even if it’s a shack in the hood. Below that you’re a stinkin’ rentor. But between the government, the shadow-inventory banks, and the investors with cash, that full range of prices isn’t available. The low end is snapped up.

The only real victims were created by the oil spill.

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*Generally you need a PhD and 5 years exp to make $90K sustainably. Maybe he was doing construction management?

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-06-02 06:12:12

This is what most Mobile homes are for…very low income or temporary housing…

The real problem is that there are no $100K homes to be had.

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-06-02 06:15:08

The only real victims were created by the oil spill.

Except this guy:

Marc Joseph’s office has been getting the calls for more than a week from people unsure about oil who are having second thoughts about buying a Southwest Florida home. Joseph does not plan to make any claims with BP, saying it would be too difficult to quantify for an industry still recovering from collapsing prices and foreclosures.”

Comment by snake charmer
2010-06-02 07:21:10

I read in the paper over the weekend that BP already has paid $3 million in response to roughly 4,000 claims in Florida, notwithstanding the fact that the oil has yet to arrive.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-06-02 10:00:14

I bet it’s cheaper to pay now with an indemnification clause. If I knew I was about to cause 3 billion in damages and could settle for 3 million and indemnification before the bill came due, I’d jump on it like a puppy on a steak.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-06-02 06:54:54

As you look at Weeks’ situation, he got laid off 2 1/2 years ago and is just now 6 mos. behind on his mortgage. I’d say that it’s a pretty firm ‘vow’. He must have set aside a bit of that 90k during the good times?

I don’t necessarily grudge those that cut a fat hog when times were rolling in their industry. Where I have issues is when they conduct their lives as if it’s never going to end.

Comment by james
2010-06-02 14:45:16

Or…. Option Arm hitting it’s adjustment period?

I have no idea what this guy was worth or not worth. One of the many things you could see from the bubble. A lot of demand pulled forward so skilled labor construction guys get idle for a long long time. I knew it was going to suck and plenty of these guys are living pretty frugally aside from the strange F350 addictions.

You get such a long hangover from malinvestment. On a human level, lots of people just aren’t prepared for where society is at.

They aren’t computer/math/physics/chemistry people. They want simple mechanical jobs were they can earn a living off their sweat.

Yeah, they like a decent sized home but don’t want to get into thinking it’s impossible for them to have that. It’s more of a pricing phenomena than an ability to manufacture phenomena or even a resource shortage. A lot of the love for the housing bubble is a lot of the mugs around the country had found an industry that was hiring, work was tolerable, you got to be outside and it was pretty satisfying.

Meanwhile manufacturing was getting gutted. Not to mention the low unemployment drove costs up and made it harder to hire guys vs outsourcing to an unstable dump like China, Mexico or India. I think companies would start to find it a lot easier these days but it will be a long time before things are driven back.

About this one….

Black’s neighbor, Brian Morrill, knows all too well what the foreclosures across the street are likely to mean. Morrill and his wife paid $152,000 for their house in late 2007, or $12,000 more than Black paid for a home that is 200 square feet bigger. Morrill is getting a divorce and would like to sell his house. But he doesn’t dare list it. ‘I’m not even going to bother,’ he said. ‘I’m too upside down on it.’”

Come on here guys… We are talking about 700$ a month mortgage or a 600$ a month mortgage. Sometimes you just eat a little bit and get over it. Yeah, your locked in and you might have to rent it out vs sell it. 1200$ a year isn’t worth walking away and trashing your credit for 7+ years.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-02 07:02:34

Maybe he was doing construction management?

I know more than a few hammer swingers out here who make 90K+ during the bubble (lots of overtime). The ones who hired illegals and became “subs” did even better.

We had our house painted a couple of years ago. We received several quotes in the $6000-7000 range, all by guys who drove up in shiny Ford F-350 Diesels. So I asked around and found a guy who would do if for 3K. He did the work himself (no illegals) and drove a modest 6 year old truck. Unlike the “boyz” he had plenty of business.

Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-06-02 08:09:29

If you work 80 hour weeks instead of 40 hour weeks, you can make $90K and everyone gets jealous, because they don’t figure in how much work it took.

Comment by DinOR
2010-06-02 08:23:07

Va Beyatch,

If you read thru the archives ( I’m contradicting myself a bit here ) as I’ve been consistent in saying these guys were -never- worth the money they were being paid to begin with!

Everyone here could clearly see it was unsustainable but reic’sters knew different! In the end, it doesn’t matter what I think about what they were being paid? Only how they conducted themselves in the aftermath.

AFAIK the guy was trying to be ethical and unlike a lot of 99 week UN recipients and strategic defaulters, sought other employment which is more than we can say for most.

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Comment by oxide
2010-06-02 10:32:31

Very well, assume this guy made $90K working overtime. Did he think he could swing a hammer for 80 hours a week for thrity years straight? Or did he think he would move up to management?

I don’t think people are understanding the concept of “Mortgage.” 30 years is a long time. And if he was looking ahead only he could “refinance later” or “sell,” then he doesn’t get my sympathy.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-02 11:47:34

They probably don’t think about it. But I do know a few guys who were older and still doing semi-skilled construction labor: laying tile, painting, plumbing, HVAC, etc.

Most of them are idle now. The tiler i knew was making money hand over fist during the bubble, well into six figures. They bought acreage during the bubble and last I heard they’re doing so poorly that their daughter qualified for Pell grants in College.

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-06-02 15:11:06

“30 years is a long time”

No jive, that’s why I’ve been so vocal about our current financing “scheme” as long as I have! Hell, nevermind “swinging a hammer” there’s very little in terms of vocation that’s designed to have that kind of longevity?

So why are we even discussing it? It’s ridiculous, how many marriages even last that long? I’m thinking somewhere between a lugjery SUV pymt and your ‘first’ hitch?

Well… then we’d all live in cottages..!?! So be it. We’ve been on a wrong path for so loooong we wouldn’t know income appropriate choices if they bonked us on the head. What is this latest campaign we’ve embarked on, Save The Great American McMansion?

 
 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-06-02 08:50:53

Nobody in my family will pay $6-7K to paint a house,…..not before they pry my paint brush from my cold dead fingers…….

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2010-06-02 08:37:31

Seems like the last 20 years, if you didn’t act entitled then you were judged a loser.

 
Comment by az_lender
2010-06-02 10:48:32

“no $100K homes to be had”

In April I lent $45K towards purchase of a $75K 3BR, NOT mobile or manufactured.
Just now I lent $61K towards purchase of a $77K 4BR, NOT mobile or manufactured.
Pending deal to lend $56K towards purchase of $70K 4BR, again not mobile or manufactured.

These are in Lee County (FL), foreclosure capital of the universe. The borrowers have jobs in health care. The houses are not near the beach, so their pre-spill prices won’t necessarily decline a whole lot (though it’s possible).

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-06-02 06:09:46

He says he and his investors can afford to wait until then because the F.D.I.C. has provided them with $1.4 billion in zero-coupon financing and an additional $1 billion in low-cost loans that can be used to complete unfinished projects.”

WTF??? I am also sure Mr. Sternlicht collects a handsome salary from these taxpayer funds while he waits…

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-02 06:28:49

“Zero-coupon financing” is just another term for deferred interest financing, is it not?

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-02 06:33:02

Let’s just kick the can down the road a bit farther.

Comment by DinOR
2010-06-02 06:48:52

combotechie,

Right, to October 2011 anyway. I’m sure keeping Barry’s pipedream afloat ‘until’ then is the very thing FDIC had in mind?

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-02 11:49:41

“Zero coupon” has been the standard for gov’t bonds for a long time IIRC. And yes, the interest is paid when the bond matures.

 
 
Comment by Steamed Bean
2010-06-02 06:52:26

Zero % financing allows the FDIC to dispose of assets from failed banks at a higher price. If assets traded at an unlevered value the FDIC trust fund would be more depleted than it is today. Providing 0% financing allows the FDIC to take the loss over time. Let’s say Sternlicht pays 50% more for the property versus where it should trade. The FDIC just saved itself 50%. Now the FDIC faces an annual loss on the money it lent Sternlicht equivalent to the FDIC’s cost of funds minus financing rate it provides to buyers of property times the loan amount. Either way the taxpayer is on the hook, FDIC merely changing the timing of the loss.

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-02 06:58:48

“FDIC merely changing the timing on the loss” = kick the can.

 
 
Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2010-06-02 09:24:38

WTF?? Indeed. As the Church Lady used to say: “Well, isn’t that special “.

 
 
Comment by Sean
2010-06-02 06:23:42

This guy bought ten houses? TEN HOUSES? And I’m supposed to feel bad……why? The last I heard investments have risks.

Comment by SV guy
2010-06-02 07:42:26

Good luck trying to “massage” your rent from the section per’s.

Comment by SV guy
2010-06-02 07:44:31

“Section 8er’s”.

 
Comment by az_lender
2010-06-02 10:51:09

I have two friends who rent to Sec 8′ers. One of these friends does complain about the difficulty of collecting rent. The other seems to get most of the rents directly from some govt agency. Wonder what makes the difference.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-02 10:53:05

A former neighbor’s sister was in the Section 8 rental business when she lived in Ohio.

She said that the best tenants were the ones who were new to the program. The Section 8 veterans? Another story. They were nothing but problems.

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Comment by bink
2010-06-02 10:21:27

But you don’t understand. It was like buying a single apartment building… but better!

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-02 10:29:34

‘I was thinking, God, this is just like buying a small apartment building, and it’s better because they’re houses, and the property value of a house goes up higher than an apartment building,’ Shallal said’

Well, he was sort of right during the bubble. Houses did go up more than apts because apts had to have at least some connection to rents. (Unless they were a condo conversion, then anything goes.)

But 10 houses? He may as well have told the reporter, ‘I was thinking, God, I’m a greedy SOB and this is just the ticket!’

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-02 06:36:19

‘They were for sale and then boom,’ said Black, who took advantage of the government tax credit for first-time homeowners’

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-02 07:04:36

Today’s bargain seeker is tomorrow’s FB. This is going to last thirty years.

Comment by az_lender
2010-06-02 10:55:24

Gosh pressboard, I guess I’d better get ready to offer some tricky stretch-out deals to the 30-year mortgagors I have just acquired. I did love doing mobiles, mostly 15-year notes that amortize fast. Did a “real” house at 20 years recently, but two at 30 years and have many more 30y opportunities. Hmmm.

 
 
 
Comment by Natalie
2010-06-02 06:47:45

“The mortgages had adjustable rate riders, meaning the interest rates reset after a period of time and could spike as high as 13 percent. My intention was to be able to refinance and get a better rate, Dunn said.” Who gives a #$%#?

Comment by Jim A.
2010-06-02 08:19:06

Chances are that while there were two years* before the first adjustment, an adjustment that is scheduled to occur for 28 out of 30 years can hardly be qualified as a rider. If anything is a rider it is the two year non adjustment period.

*Apprantly, two year “hybrid” arms that were fixed for their first two years were popular during the bubble because they were considerd less risky than a regular ARM with annual adjustemnts from the get go. Why, I have no idea.

Comment by Natalie
2010-06-02 08:25:56

Because in two years they should have already sold and moved up the property ladder or have at least 25% more equity.

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-06-02 17:28:12

If the borrower remained current during the first year, the loan would be considered “seasoned” and would get a higher price in the secondary mortgage market.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-06-02 06:56:02

Thought I’d put this here. MSNBC’s Red Tape column is a good read for consumer finance. redtape dot msnbc dot com (no www)

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(May 28, Bob Sullivan) “Big hearts grow up in small cities, but tragically, they don’t stick around. In Fargo, N.D., I heard the same joke from several folks: “Our biggest export is our children.” There’s nothing to keep the kids at home. Despite a fantastic lifestyle, there are few opportunities. In every small town in America, the young folks are fleeing to the cities. The main industry in great second-tier U.S. cities like Fargo, Billings, Missoula or Bismarck seems to be coffee shops. If you want more, you leave.

* There’s an equal and opposite reaction to that exodus, however. At the very first stop on my trip, in Pittsburgh, I pulled up in front of my meeting place to find a group of men carrying furniture from an apartment into a truck. “Moving out?” I said to the woman there, smiling. “Moving back home,” she said back, darkly. Only then I noticed the furniture was going into a garbage truck. She couldn’t get a job in her chosen field, school counseling. She couldn’t afford to live on her own any longer.

Young people who move to the cities are finding they have little hope of buying a home and raising a family there. They are welcome as young, struggling singles in one-bedroom apartments. But I didn’t meet a single 25-year-old who felt confident in his or her prospects to get a yard and have a dog some day. They are faced with this impossible choice: Do they move home and give up opportunity or stay in the city and give up the family? This is the most troubling aspect of American economic life today. We must give our young people hope.”

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He’s right. The younger generations (~40 and under) have been totally kneecapped by the system. They are “starting out” later and later in life (26-30), already shackled with the college loans that they needed to get any sort of job. They are often not established until after the biological clock winds down. They are forced to live in cities because as we all know, small-town jobs (telecommute and/or manufac) are being done in India and China. And it’s in the cities where housing is most expensive, not to mention bubble pricing. The chances of a 30-year mortgage burning party are slim to none. They will be paying the taxes for the rest of our health care, one way or another. Their parents had a much better start, and the kids are tapping into that.

Comment by oxide
2010-06-02 07:07:48

(sorry this was supposed to be Bits Bucket)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-02 08:23:05

Don’t apologize! You made some very good points.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-06-02 07:12:29

Young people who move to the cities are finding they have little hope of buying a home and raising a family there. They are welcome as young, struggling singles in one-bedroom apartments. But I didn’t meet a single 25-year-old who felt confident in his or her prospects to get a yard and have a dog some day.

Elections have consequnces. The student vote turned out overwhelmingly for Obama and his policies are helping make them debt slaves for life.

And they are going to be paying for ObamaCare, higher taxes, higher social security cost (that they will see nada), higher Medicare costs (that they will see nada), cap/trade/amnesty, bailouts for bankers, bailouts for states, bailouts for cities, bailouts for unions for the rest of their lives.

They will wonder why they can not find any kind of job, why no one is hiring, why they can’t support a family or even think of buying a house.

20 years from now they will realize what fools they were as the government takes EVERYTHING they produce.

But electing a black president is so kewl!

Comment by DinOR
2010-06-02 08:00:46

Incredibly ( I actually agree w/ BOTH posts! )

Where I differ slightly is that I don’t see any particular advantage to “starting out” at the ripe old age of 26-30? I wish our daughter hadn’t had a child until a little later in life.

I’m also not sure that small town America wasn’t gasping it’s last with or without outsourcing, or how much mfr. was going on there to begin with? Unless you consider Moline etc. “small towns”?

What I’m even ‘less’ certain about is how different our daughter’s futures would be had McCain been elected? In the short term I can’t see how it would’ve been any different. Since we’re having to print $’s to keep Medicare afloat, the HC bill will likely die on the vine anyway?

Comment by Jim A.
2010-06-02 08:22:45

I’m with you on the “what’s wrong with ’starting out’ at 26?” But the level of student debt that has become common is much greater than was the norm 30-40 years ago. Being saddled with the equivalant of a mortgage payment fresh out of school does put a damper on college graduates.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-06-02 08:31:59

Jim A,

Unless of course we’re comparing it to post-WWII where people got married at 17 and built on land the folks gave them? While dad went to school on the GI Bill?

A good many of the windows of opportunity oxide describes have been closed since I was in HS back in the mid-70’s. Given I’m now in my mid-50’s ( none of these developments should come as a shock to anyone )

However ( as Edge describes below ) rather than a good stern HBB lecture ‘we’ gave our kids, parents actually drank the kool-aid too and were doing nothing but enabling when they should have warning.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-06-02 11:28:44

Of course the main thing that started us down the path of people getting married when they were older was the invention of the pill.

 
 
Comment by phxis2hot
2010-06-02 10:00:18

I agree completely with what you say DinOr. I’m 40 and if I lose my current job, my family and I will be in a world of hurt. Undergrad math degree from Northwestern, JD from Univ of AZ and now finishing a masters in physics, and there is nothing much job-wise out there. I’ve been looking in both the legal fields and the tech industry, and I come up with little. Government contractors are hardly hiring engineers and science majors, the patent field is completely dried up, and on top of it all we’re looking at an economic tsunami like this country has never seen before. We arrived at this point under both Dems and Repubs - the folks that we elected. We have no one else to blame but ourselves (in the collective). Gen Xers are going to have a vastly different back half (age 40-60) than the first half of their careers. Same goes for the generations behind Gen X. The Babyboomers can forget collecting anything in the form of entitlements as we are nation that is completely broke.

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Comment by polly
2010-06-02 10:47:32

I hope you don’t lose your job, but if you do, please look up the US patent offfice. Listings will be on the USAjobs website.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-02 10:51:34

Agree on the recommendation of the USPTO. They could use some more topnotch patent examiners.

 
Comment by phxis2hot
2010-06-02 11:00:21

Thanks Polly. Will the USPTO be hiring?

 
Comment by polly
2010-06-02 15:43:41

I think the Patent office is one of the ones expecting a flood of retirements. Not sure, but it rings a bell.

People may stick around longer if their savings have evaporated, but the ones who have been in government since the 80’s are on the good pension system (they can get 2% for each year of service up to 80% of last salary for 40 full years), so stock market returns are a little less important for them. Obviously their ability to hire may be dependent on the volume of applications, but if people are leaving in large numbers, they will have to hire at some point.

Competition will be tough, but your background sounds outstanding.

 
Comment by polly
2010-06-02 15:45:29

Of course, DC is a little toasty this time of year, too. And humid.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-02 16:03:05

Sounds like DC weather is just like what I experienced while growing up in southeastern PA. It wasn’t the heat that got to people, it was the blankety-blank humidity.

 
Comment by phxis2hot
2010-06-02 17:43:13

“they can get 2% for each year of service up to 80% of last salary for 40 full years”

OMG. That’s an incredible deal. I doubt they’ll see all of that though as we are totally broke.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-06-02 20:07:17

They should try Fire fighters and cops in Ca. 3% per year,90% of last years salary ,includes ot and sick leave. Retire at 50, move to Nev and pay NO state tax. No wonder we are broke.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-06-02 11:03:14

student vote turned out overwhelmingly for Obama and his policies

I tried a discussion of this just a few weeks ago. Are Democratic policies driving the economy, or are they responding to the economy? 2banana, you’re saying that kids are being kneecapped because they consciously voted in lots of gov welfare-like goodies. (I realize that’s an exaggeration, but for sake of argument..) But what if the kids were kneecapped by the progress of private industry FIRST, and the gov had to step in with the welfare-like goodies to respond to the crisis?

DinOR has a good point too. Were the jobs really oursourced, or maybe other countries developed and no longer needed our exports, or did smaller towns just die on their own? There’s also the issue of women returning to the workforce in the late 70’s — you suddenly have a larger pool of labor. But the facts remain that we have too many laborers for the available jobs, the education and smarts needed to keep a job are increasing as skill level of outsourced jobs increasing, and that cities and suburban edge cities are where the jobs are.

For the record, I am one of those under-40’s who was lucky enough to not be kneecapped (though education).

Comment by phxis2hot
2010-06-02 11:36:42

“Were the jobs really oursourced, or maybe other countries developed and no longer needed our exports, or did smaller towns just die on their own?”

Do you not know the answer to this question? Yes, the jobs were outsourced both physically (actually moved overseas) and others without even leaving the U.S. thanks to the H1B visa program. Now we have a situation where there aren’t enough domestic job opportunities for electrical engineers, let alone other engineering and science disciplines.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-02 11:59:31

Now we have a situation where there aren’t enough domestic job opportunities for electrical engineers, let alone other engineering and science disciplines.

Indeed. The other day someone here was saying that engineering starting salaries are in the 80-90K range. My experience is that is what experienced people are getting paid. And when we occasionally advertise one of these positions where I work there is no shortage of applicants.

 
 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-06-02 08:17:27

My city offers many great examples of this phonomenon. They come here from the suburbs, from MI, OH, WI, MN, OH, IA, MO and do exactly what Mr. Sullivan observed. There are blocks here where nearly every car has an out of state plate on it. Many local bars have been colonized by alumni from various big schools looking to maintain a link to their past. It is really something to see up close.

During the boom many tried to buy. I’ve already related my stories of how on the weekends you could watch twentysomethings lead their Boomer parents around to open houses. Many bought at the top and from my own observations the majority were female. (It’s tough talking to someone who bought in 2007 and still spends an inordinate amount of time shopping for shoes and/or undertaking costly rennovations to their condo - yet that’s my experience - and its more common than most of you would probably ever want to believe.)

As the summer of 2010 begins appearances are still being kept up, there are Cub games and Blackhawk games to keep bored singles busy. One doesn’t have to try hard if they’d like to remain obilvious to the bust. There are still more than enough agents, boosters, and hucksters to put a fresh carrot at the end of the stick. Only the passage of time will reveal how this plays out but it sure is quite a show!

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-06-02 08:31:48

Been there, done that. The thing is, you CAN live cheaply where the jobs are and even have a family if you want. The problem is that you have to live like the poor people do, at least for a while. Middle class kids think they shouldn’t have to stoop that low, and borrow more to avoid it. As a result they never escape the trap unless the parents die and leave them a lot of money.

Comment by DinOR
2010-06-02 08:36:51

“Middle class kids think they shouldn’t have to stoop that low, and borrow more to avoid it”

( And we wonder where they learned that from? ) Where’s Stanley Johnson when you need him! When my daughter is over w/ the baby she watches MTV “Real Life” or something like that and when you look at how the kids deal w/ situations it’s just incredible. Credit card in hand!

 
Comment by oxide
2010-06-02 11:33:21

Carl, do you have any examples? I can think of plenty of jobs that would allow a family to live poor — most of Brokeback Mountain comes to mind. But I can’t think of any jobs that would allow a family to live poor for a while. Live poor …and then suddenly be promoted to non-poor, when? and in what career?

DinOR, in a bubble area like DC, it’s barely possible to live even a modest and realistic middle-class lifestyle. You still can’t touch a SFH for under $200K unless it’s a 1-bed foreclosure with no kitchen at all. You can’t touch a 3-bed, attached product or not, under $300K. We’re not talking Toll Brother’s America’s Luxury Builder models. These are near-Levittown developments from the early 60’s. This is lower-middle class housing where the younger generations should be. You shouldn’t have to be a GS-13 to afford them.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-06-02 12:29:25

Carl, do you have any examples? I can think of plenty of jobs that would allow a family to live poor — most of Brokeback Mountain comes to mind. But I can’t think of any jobs that would allow a family to live poor for a while. Live poor …and then suddenly be promoted to non-poor, when? and in what career?

All I know is myself. I’m a BSEE that writes software. I needed to move to the big city to get a job that used that skill. Houses were affordable if you were willing to make a 1/2 hour commute back in 1997, but not so much by 2000. Back then I thought I was too cool to live in a trailer within walking distance of work (which is how the poor people live in the area). Now I’m doing exactly that. If I’d have been willing to do that years ago (and not depend on house appreciation to balance my budget), I’d be better off financially right now and would probably be in something nicer that I’d paid cash for. So I learned my lesson and go all-cash-no-debt now, but first I had to overcome the educated middle class sense of entitlement. I’ll be in good shape if/when houses come down in price and I’ll sell the doublewide to a fresh FB :-). So to answer your question, I’m not poor…but needed to learn to live poor to get/keep my finances in order during a bubble.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-02 14:50:50

What about the other 80% of the population that isn’t as smart as you? I know these aren’t the best of times for EEs or Programmers, but we’re still better off than most folks. What about the average Joe who has an IQ of 100 and couldn’t do a Laplace transform if his life depended on it? Once upon a time he could earn a decent living and maybe even buy a modest home.

Heck, most college grads these days are FUBAR, weighed down with huge student loans and no job prospects beyond maybe being assistant manager at a GAP or a Bed, Bath & Beyond.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-06-02 15:43:46

What about the other 80% of the population that isn’t as smart as you?

They might have to live in the trailer for more years than me since they might not make as much money. But they could make significantly less and still not go in debt if they were willing to live the way I’m living right now. All I’m saying is that me, them, and almost everybody else was too good to live like this and avoid debt and now they’re paying the price. I just wised up a little faster than most, which is how I found the HBB.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-02 16:05:27

What about the average Joe who has an IQ of 100 and couldn’t do a Laplace transform if his life depended on it? Once upon a time he could earn a decent living and maybe even buy a modest home.

I used to live next door to a guy like that. He is now retired, but had worked as everything from a groundskeeper to a hardrock miner.

‘Tween you and me and the post, he wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. In fact, he was probably borderline mentally retarded. We, the neighbors, looked out for him.

But, the above being said, he was a homeowner. Had been one since the late 1960s and still is. In the same house.

 
Comment by shendi
2010-06-02 20:55:43

Welcome to Japan. Most everyone has a four year degree in Japan yet they work in retail. My friends have the following jobs:

1. gas meter reader
2. Specialty tea vendor
3. restaurant
4. Cake shop
5. plumbing designer
6. Tofu making
7. hospital clerk

The most striking thing, to me, is that these people (both genders) are happy!

Thus all these people with useless degrees like african history, american histroy, religious studies etc. that have large student debt will default. This is the new America.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2010-06-02 14:33:10

oxide,

I’ve always had the utmost empathy for our DC area posters. If having a financial collapse so profound only a gov. “intervention” can stave off chaos ( and STILL have outrageous home prices ) can be described as “The worst of all possible worlds ) then I guess it goes double for DC!

By no means am I an expert in urban planning or what measures need to be taken to salvage small town America ( but I have a theory? )

Look back to the re-vitalization of Lower Manhattan, in the late 60’s early 70’s when the WTC was still on the drawing board. Billions were pumped into the “Save Our Inner Cities” campaign as jobs ( and dollars ) poured out into suburbia.

Now… that Rural America is on the ropes, where is the money to “re-vitalize” them? The truth is, RA died ( because we LET it! ) No one cared. No hot chicks there anyway.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-06-03 04:44:22

Well none that I ever found who had no kids and didn’t smoke. Hot tramp I love you so……

No hot chicks there anyway.

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Montana
2010-06-02 08:59:18

I’m in one of those towns they leave, but it’s made up by people coming here from even smaller MT towns, or coming from the cities to run things for us. Most of city council and local government consists of transplants.

It’s popular to bemoan the fact that the young can’t find jobs here, but I think the smart ones use that as an excuse to leave and wantto get away, because compared to the coasts people are teh stupid here. As in, duhhhh. Even the leaders are slow and catatonic acting…the best go off to elite schools and do not come back.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-02 09:04:45

It’s popular to bemoan the fact that the young can’t find jobs here, but I think the smart ones use that as an excuse to leave and wantto get away, because compared to the coasts people are teh stupid here. As in, duhhhh. Even the leaders are slow and catatonic acting…the best go off to elite schools and do not come back.

Sounds like the town I grew up in. The dolts stayed around and the smart people left.

Then a funny thing happened. This town, which is about 25 miles west of Philadelphia, got discovered by the yuppies during the 1980s. You should see the place now. Prettified well beyond its working class origins.

Comment by BlackOrchid
2010-06-02 09:32:31

Media?

btw living here in PA, I really disagree that small towns have to suck. We still have some manufacturing remaining here, and towns that are supported by it do still exist!

If the tax/incentive situation that gov’t has created were to be fixed, we could see manufacturing return here easily. And that would be of the good.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-02 09:38:07

The town in question is West Chester, PA.

 
Comment by BlackOrchid
2010-06-02 10:53:25

Well, Slim, that does not describe my hometown … West Chester, PA! Where I’m sitting right now.

It’s the county seat, also a college town . . . and was certainly NOT yuppified in the 80s! no more so than anywhere else was, since the term was invented then.

West Chester also has light industry that still thrives, even in this recession. And young people come here for college, some grow up here, and some even stay and do well. It’s got quite a range of employment options (gov’t, medicine, education, manufacturing, industry . . . gosh everything but tourism/hospitality maybe!)

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-06-02 14:22:40

Gosh, that sounds like a vanishing breed: A thriving, prosperous American town.

 
Comment by Anonymous Coward
2010-06-03 10:32:34

Well, my impression is that in the 80’s West Chester transitioned from being a small town outside of Philadelphia to being part of suburban Philadelphia. (I lived between Malvern and West Chester from ‘97 to ‘01.) So to say it’s a thriving prosperous small town is true, but it’s by no means in the middle of rural America.

West Chester was also a beneficiary of the mass exodus of white collar jobs from Center City to the western suburbs.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-06-02 11:41:57

Slim, sounds like the funny thing that happened was a shiny new commuter road that allowed the little town to become a bedroom community for Philly. Nothing to do with the town itself. Just location location location. Even the Amish are being squeezed; many no longer have the acreage to farm and must set up quilt and cabinet shops to earn their keep.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2010-06-02 09:48:36

It’s popular to bemoan the fact that the young can’t find jobs here, but I think the smart ones use that as an excuse to leave and wantto get away

I’d be perfectly happy to live in my little Wyoming hometown that’s similar to your town, but it’s extremely difficult to do tech work there, which is my best marketable skill. An extremely small number of people have found ways to do it, but for the most part if it can be done from there it can be done from India.

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-06-02 14:25:02

In Montana,

Sure you don’t mean Oregon? Yeah, leaf thru a voters pamphlet and count the locals on one hand.

 
 
 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2010-06-02 08:10:19

“Shallal wishes the mortgage companies had never lent him the money, which he says he should never have qualified for.”

Let me guess: at the time Shallal wasn’t thinking, “Gee, I hope the mortgage company doesn’t lend me the money, because I don’t qualify for it and I can never pay it off.” Instead, he was probably thinking, “I hope the mortage company approves the loan, even though I don’t qualify for it. If they don’t approve the loan, there goes my plan to immediately resell the house at a huge profit to some other sucker.”

Comment by phxis2hot
2010-06-02 10:14:24

No, Shallal was thinking, “The damn mortgage company had better lend me the money, otherwise I’ll sue!”

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-02 08:25:55

‘two-bedroom Gulf front condos that can be had for less than $300,000, or about half the price seen five years ago…it wasn’t uncommon for Haughton to show a condo with several other potential buyers milling around. ‘Then it was a race to the fax machine to submit an offer before the other agent,’ he said’

What could go wrong with fighting over $600k condos in Alabama? Un-freaking believable.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-02 09:08:40

Reminds me of that fine Mississippi morning when I was in a van en route to a post-Katrina reconstruction project.

This was back in ‘07, and the van driver had settled the radio dial in on a station from Mobile, Alabama. The guy was a real channel-surfer, and I was surprised that this particular station had caught his ear. Maybe because it was about the only thing on the dial that wasn’t religious or country. This station *rocked*.

Any-hoo, there was a commercial for some condo thingie on or near the coast. The units were being offered for something like $300k.

Well, after seeing and working amidst some pretty hardcore Southern poverty, I blew my stack. “Who in the hell has that kind of money around here?” I shouted.

The driver was a bit taken aback by my outburst, but I didn’t apologize. I felt no need to do that.

 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-06-02 09:53:51

‘When you don’t have no choice, there’s no alternative,’

I do not think that means what he thinks it means.

I have no sympathy for ‘get rich quick’ schemers that have cratered. I especially have no sympathy for ones who violate basic rules of grammar unintentionally. I ain’t got no unsympathetic feelings for this goober.

Comment by bink
2010-06-02 10:28:51

This post is just crying out for a response from Oly. *sigh*

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-02 10:45:48

I miss her merry turns of the phrase. And her fun-filled stories.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-06-02 11:05:53

She was like an ADHD puppy shooting rainbows out its ears.

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Comment by scdave
2010-06-02 14:57:06

I miss her also…

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-06-02 09:56:03

Munson’s relocation company worked with a candidate from Connecticut who got a job in Atlanta. He carried two mortgages on his home, owed more than $200,000 on his house beyond its value and was going to be paid $150,000 a year. ‘I told him to stay in the house and look for a job in Connecticut,’ Munson said.

Then I clubbed him with a rusty tire iron and slept with his wife.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-02 10:15:54

Ahhh, the kindness and tender mercies of the HBB-ers.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-06-02 10:39:17

I’m just saying that this guy gave about the worst advice he possibly could have. “You’ve got an underwater house and no job here, or a well paying job and an apartment there. I recommend you stay here! Now let me go pour sugar in your gas tank so you won’t get any uppity ideas about leaving town!”

 
 
 
Comment by Joe
2010-06-02 13:01:38

Dunn, who now runs the Self-Sufficient Living Education Institute, a fledgling nonprofit, said he regrets having had to give up the properties. ‘When you don’t have no choice, there’s no alternative,’ he said.”

Gosh, move over, Yogi Berra. There’s a new philosopher king in town.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-02 14:44:37

I guess his previous gig was also a “Non-profit”

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-02 15:28:14

Almost forgot:

‘Teri Schrettenbrunner, head of Wells Fargo Home Mortgage Communication, said…as is the case with all lending institutions, it has to honor the terms of its contract with the investors. ‘We are bound by the contracts we have with … whoever owns the loan on the back end to do what they find acceptable in modification,’ Schrettenbrunner said.’

And there was a very similar article in yesterdays NY post.

So what happened to the mandatory cram down thing?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-02 16:24:15

“…it has to honor the terms of its contract with the investors.”

Maybe somebody pointed out that banks might never again be able to secure loanable funds from private investors if they went through with borrower-friendly mandatory cram downs.

 
 
Comment by Malfunction Junction
2010-06-05 07:58:24

My experience has been that the Gen Xers are suddenly the latest export. Most of my friends between the ages of 30 to 40 are all living overseas working for alot more money than they could earn at home. None of them seem to want to return to the states and high taxes after being gone long enough for it to seem normal. They just bounce from country to country every couple of years to have some different scenery and restaurant choices.

 
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