June 5, 2010

Debt Chases Us All Like A Rabid Dog

CBS 4 Denver reports from Colorado. “The latest housing data doesn’t hold a lot of good news around the country. Only six metro areas recorded price gains. Denver was one of those. But you’ll still want to look into the data a little further. ‘Problem with that is, it’s like an average of putting one foot in a bucket of ice water and one foot in a bucket of boiling hot water. On average you’re fine but at the extremes it can be very painful,’ said Mike Rinner, executive VP of the Genesis Group, a market research and analysis firm specializing in the new housing industry.”

“That’s because many of the people at the very low end have been hit hard by the nation’s unemployment plague. That’s where foreclosures have hit hard. At the high end, there’s an surplus of homes and many homeowners in that price range are holding and hoping. ‘Your home that you’re selling has to be priced very right if you’re buying you have a lot of choices. It’s when you get over that $350,000 that we see six months supply and up,’ said Rinner.”

“With houses priced at more than $750,000 the supply of detached housing in the Denver market is at 33 months. Break that out to homes priced over a million and the supply is even longer — meaning it would take three years to sell off the homes that are for sale right now. The housing slump is now taking on a long term slouch — and like your mother told you, that kind of posture can stick with you if you don’t straighten up soon.”

The Colorado Springs Gazette. “A few years after several national builders bolted the Pikes Peak region because of financial woes or the nation’s economic downturn, a handful of homebuilders who are new to the area, or who until now have held a relatively low profile, have grabbed significant shares of the single-family market. ‘Just like anything else, the more people (builders) that are in, the greater competition there is,’ says Saint Aubyn Homes owner and president Jared Saint Aubyn. ‘It forces everybody else to just sharpen up their game. The buyer really, in this market, can pick exactly what they want.’”

“When the downturn hit a few years ago, Challenger Homes President Brian Bahr said a smaller company such as his didn’t have lots of land and debt on its books because of its size, and probably wouldn’t have survived if it did. Now it’s in a position to purchase home sites at a lower cost and offer competitive home prices as a result. ‘A smaller company that’s more stable … can take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves, go in and buy the land that has now dropped in value by 50 percent, put houses on there that are at a compelling value, and thereby pick up market share,’ Bahr said.”

The Arizona Republic. “Nearly two years after its initial developer went bankrupt, the sparsely populated Stratland Estates neighborhood is finding new life. Earlier this month, Pulte Homes, which purchased 107 lots in Stratland Estates in October, began selling new homes in the long-beleaguered subdivision. Prices start in the low $200,000s.”

“When Stratland Estates LLC went bankrupt in July 2008, it left behind dozens of vacant lots and unoccupied houses. It wasn’t long before tumbleweeds became the primary residents of the nearly-empty neighborhood, and homeowners became frustrated with the lack of resources to clean them up.”

“Pulte’s aggressive strategy in Gilbert mirrors the opportunistic actions of some other homebuilders, which have competed to buy hundreds of vacant lots in neighborhoods hit hard by the real-estate bubble burst. The companies are purchasing bank-owned, ready-to-build lots in subdivisions where the previous developer went bankrupt, as was the case with Stratland.”

“Developers can buy the finished lots for a fraction of what they sold for a few years ago, and the cost-per-square-foot to build a house has plunged, said Robert Stapley, sales and marketing manager for Highland Homes.”

“Los Arcos Crossing, the failed shopping center on McDowell Road whose latest developer vowed to turn it into Scottsdale’s ‘center of life,’ is headed to foreclosure and a possible sale by the end of the year. PDG America acquired most of Los Arcos Crossing in 2007 with plans to develop it as Scottsdale CentroVida, a $150 million mix of townhouses, apartments, restaurants and neighborhood shops.”

“Mortgages Ltd. financed the deal. ‘As much trouble as Mortgages Ltd. got into, the properties aren’t the problem,’ said Mark Winkleman, chief operating officer of ML Manager, he Peoria-based firm formed by investors as a successor to Mortgages Ltd. ‘It’s just that the loans were above what they’re worth.’”

The Mohave Daily News in Arizona. “Seventy-seven homes were sold in Bullhead City in April, according to the Western Arizona Realtor Data Exchange. April 2009 saw just 60 homes sold, which marks April as the 18th month in a row of year-over-year local sales increases. Even as the inventory decreased ‘more houses came on the market in April than we’ve seen in several months,’ said Evan Fuchs, the broker with Bullhead/Laughlin Realty. ‘We know we have foreclosures coming for a while,’ which drives down price, Fuchs said.”

“While sales have seen a steady increase, prices continue to decline, said Bob Lewis of P.R.O. Realty in Bullhead City. In the first two quarters of 2009, the average sale price in Bullhead City was around $162,000. The first two quarters of 2010 have seen a 27.64 decrease in that average sale price to $117,230. ‘Values are slowing down in dropping, but they’re still dropping,’ he said.”

“It costs the bank around $6,000 to turn a foreclosed property around for sale, Lewis said. Tack onto that the 5 percent to 6 percent sales commission and the bank needs to sell that house for more than what it is worth just to see a return on the outstanding loan amount. ‘Banks are staring to realize they’re not going to get the money out of those loans,’ he said. ‘It didn’t sink in six months ago, but it’s starting to sink in now.’”

The Salt Lake Tribune in Utah. “Among the hardest hit along the Wasatch Front, the communities of the south Salt Lake Valley have suffered through two distinct waves of foreclosures. The first, before mid-2008, appears to have hammered those areas that had grown the fastest, leading to pronounced clusters of foreclosures centering on the newer subdivisions. bers during that time. What happened in these communities? In many new subdivisions, ‘people were reaching as far as they could qualify,’ said Curt Dowdle, executive officer of the Salt Lake Home Builders Association.”

“But a second wave of foreclosure is gripping the South Valley, along with the rest of the county and elsewhere in Utah, flowing from unemployment , recession and falling home prices. It hasn’t been unusual in the South Valley to see homes that sold at the height of the market for $600,000 or more to go begging for buyers at $400,000 today.”

“Cammy Wilcox knew the housing market was bound to crash. The Pleasant Grove home she bought in 1995 for $80,000 inflated in value to about $240,000 when she sold it 10 years later. ‘I knew there was no way the economy could continue [like that],’ she said.”

“So she and her husband moved to an apartment in Farmington, closer to his job, and saved money while looking for a new home. In November 2008, they finally settled on a two-story, brown stucco house in west Layton — for a price $60,000 cheaper than when they had first walked through the house earlier in the year. The home, foreclosed on in July 2008, is one of the more than 270 foreclosed homes sold in Davis County between July 2008 and March of this year.”

“High-growth areas across Utah are facing clusters of foreclosures, said Ryan Carver, the housing counseling director for AAA Fair Credit Foundation, a nonprofit credit-counseling organization. ‘You’re seeing people jump on the bandwagon for new construction,’ he said, because such homes are often larger and the same price or cheaper than older houses, and can be custom-built.”

“Those factors, Carver said, combined with people being approved for loans larger than they could afford, the promise of rising home values and chance to refinance their loan in the future, helped drive many of the foreclosures now occurring. ‘They’re thinking, ‘Let’s hold out for a year or two,’ Carver said of homeowners who bought more home than they could afford with the hope it would rise in value and become an investment.”

“While many lenders only look at credit scores and how much people earn before deducting taxes, Carver counsels people to not spend more than 30 percent of their net income on housing expenses. ‘The problem is, you always overqualify for that,’ he said.”

“Refinancing can be out of reach for many people, but Mindy Moser said she and her husband were able to do just that on the mortgage for their home in North Salt Lake’s Foxboro subdivision. Others, though, weren’t able to make their loans adjust to fit their financial situations: The house next door to Moser is vacant and listed as foreclosed. She doesn’t know how much of the turnover in her neighborhood has been caused by foreclosures, she said, but ‘there have been a lot of people move in, then out.’”

KLAS TV in Nevada. “More people are filing for bankruptcy in the state of Nevada. The number jumped nearly 14-percent from last year at the same time. Attorneys say the number one reason people are filing starts with the housing crisis.”

“Bankruptcy was the last thing Edward Callaci thought he would do, but he’s now in the process of filing for Chapter 13. ‘If this is an alternative, I have to take it. I just want to have the house. I’m nervous I’m going to be in the street,’ he said.”

“Callaci took a second mortgage on his home, combined with two unsecured loans and credit card debt, he’s $180,000 in the hole. ‘It’s the credit cards and the equity line that’s interest only. It’s a chunk of my income,’ he said. ‘If I can relieve the debt, paying the primary mortgage will be no problem.’”

In Business Las Vegas in Nevada. “Linda Rheinberger is the president of the Nevada Association of Realtors, the self-described largest trade organization in the state. Rheinberger serves on the board of directors of the National Association of Realtors. Q: Given what happened in the industry, does it make it hard to enjoy it?”

“A: It has been very, very difficult. And honestly, had I known what I was about to embark on when I purchased the business, I don’t believe I would have. However, in retrospect, most of the bad things are in my rearview mirror. And since the beginning of this year, every month is better and better as far as profits are concerned and the direction the firm is going.”

“Q: How did you survive all this? I had to make some tough choices. I had to cut my salary. I had to cut personnel. That is one of the reasons I moved my business — it’s a lessee’s market at the moment, and I moved and lowered my overhead in rent by 50 percent.”

“Q: What about the federal tax credit that has expired? A: We know we are not going to get that tax credit expanded right away. We had one shot at it and had a second shot with the expansion. And now we know there are other areas that they need to support.”

“Q: What do you think of the state’s loan-modification program enabling homeowners to sit down with banks before a home is foreclosed upon? A: It is making a difference…It is also providing hope. Hope is a big problem right now. There are people who feel because of the valuations in our area, they are asking why should they continue paying on a home that may never see the light of day. They feel that even though they can afford the mortgage or promised to pay the mortgage, what’s the difference? Why should they be the schmuck, if you will, paying this house at something valued up here when their neighbor bought the house down here. There is a lack of hope.”

“As for myself, I got involved in an option (adjustable-rate mortgage) in a house I am living in as an investment property. My responsible husband and me put 40 percent down and that 40 percent equity is gone. My husband is questioning why can’t we get a modification because we are part of the 7 percent where we are not Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac conforming. They won’t give us a modification, even on the interest rate. It is all I can do to keep my husband from pushing me in that direction, but I am the type of person who will get third job if necessary to continue with my promises. That’s how I am. We have six mortgages that are completely on time.”

The Reno News & Review in Nevada. “Debt is a four-letter word. Sometimes it is uttered with awe or reverence, but currently it prompts epithets like a four-letter Anglo-Saxon term unfit for print. This being print, we’ll use a substitute term. How about … foil? For example, debt can facilitate or foil your plans.”

“Debt is like a dog that normally won’t bite you viciously unless, say, you bite it big time first. That scenario is known as the bottom line definition of news—man bites dog. Currently, the debt dog can nip anyone because so many sank their teeth into it. Debt, public and private, chases us all like a rabid dog.”

“The debt dog we helped unleash appears bent on nipping the Nevada, national and worldwide economic recoveries right in the bud. Foreclosures, with which Nevadans are all too familiar, are mini-models of the current comeuppance. Just check the old days of mortgages, more recent history, and finally the effects of our current back-to-the-future period.”

“Lending ran rampant and houses (assets) were just one aspect. It extended to autos, frills, vacations (liabilities). Awhile back, folks used houses like ATM machines with interest rates attached. The housing/lending crash now is ending over-leverage or such debt-induced splurging; it is forcing austerity, default, bankruptcy. Bankers act tight-fisted again. Governments re-regulate, after a fashion. We de-leverage.”

“Archimedes, a Greek math wizard and engineer who honed our thoughts on leverage in physics, once said: ‘Give me a place to stand on, and I will move the Earth.’ It works in physics and finance but only until you lose your place to stand. Problems hit the world economy because so many individuals, financiers and governments had no leg to stand on, let alone place to stand.”




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Comment by az_lender
2010-06-05 05:56:07

“Debt chases us like a rabid dog”

Like a rabid dog, this creditor was chasing non-existent loan demand throughout 2009. Then, either the loan demand improved or I accidentally ran into the right persons. Now there’s more than I want or need. So I offer any of you the opportunity to lend $50K to $70K on 3BR or 4BR houses, buyers paying 20% down, you can probably confine the mortgage to 20 years and STILL get 7.8% because the Banks Aren’t Lending. Don’t complain to me about money market rates.

(Do the borrowers have good credit? NO, but who cares?)

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-06-05 06:21:33

“Then, either the loan demand improved or I accidentally ran into the right persons.”

How many used the $8K credit?

Comment by az_lender
2010-06-05 14:04:56

Of the loans I have just made or am about to make, fewer than half involve the $8K credit.

Of the loans that I am peddling to any HBBer who wants to get into this game, none would involve the $8K credit. There is still plenty of demand in the real world for newish houses selling at prices like $65K and $80K.

Comment by Silverback1011
2010-06-05 17:58:21

Your contact info ??? Also, question, we would be interested in possibly investing a lesser amount. Do you do package deals ?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-06-05 06:20:28

‘Problem with that is, it’s like an average of putting one foot in a bucket of ice water and one foot in a bucket of boiling hot water. On average you’re fine but at the extremes it can be very painful,’

Why anyone would want to dive into a pool of either boiling or freezing cold water by purchasing a home under current market conditions is a source of never-ending fascination to me.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-06-05 06:23:32

“Problems hit the world economy because so many individuals, financiers and governments had no leg to stand on, let alone place to stand.”

Have you ever tried to stand up when you are deeply under water? I personally even find it difficult to do this at the 12′ end of our neighborhood pool. Imagine how tough it gets beneath an ocean of debt.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-06-05 06:24:28

When the downturn hit a few years ago, Challenger Homes President Brian Bahr said a smaller company such as his didn’t have lots of land and debt on its books because of its size, and probably wouldn’t have survived if it did. Now it’s in a position to purchase home sites at a lower cost and offer competitive home prices as a result.

Even companies which have low debt can be hurt by holding lots of land. Around Boise there’s a subdivision platted on small lots in part due to high land cost during the boom. Now the boom is over and the developer is sitting on a sub which is only maybe 10% built-out and much reduced demand for houses on small (vs. medium-sized) lots. And I’m not sure whether they want to go through the county and re-plat the presently-vacant future phases.

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Comment by In Montana
2010-06-05 09:45:49

Across the way from us is a subdivision that was platted in 1979 right before the long 80s bust, but never built on. It was nice rolling hay in summers…so the boom got going again and the owners finally got around to putting in the street and utilities in 2007, just in time for the latest bust. Still no houses built. LOL.

They’re nice-sized lots but too close to a road that is a lot busier and noisier than it was in 1979. I don’t know why anyone would build there at the 300k+ they want for the home packages.

Comment by SV guy
2010-06-05 10:17:35

Where in Montana are you at?

 
Comment by MightyMike
2010-06-05 10:47:54

What’s a home package?

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-06-05 11:37:32

Missoula…sorry Mike I meant land-home package. You buy, they build. I guess that’s how it works though I’ve not done it myself.

Comment by SV guy
2010-06-05 18:10:16

Is it up in the Rattlesnake?

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Comment by In Montana
2010-06-06 06:36:46

No it’s out Mullan Road 2 miles past Reserve. Not as desirable as Rsnake.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-06-05 06:30:28

‘Your home that you’re selling has to be priced very right if you’re buying you have a lot of choices.’

It’s not rocket science, folks. A seller must price a home below fair market value, as determined by the price level where there is a buyer in the market who is willing to pay what the seller is asking. Any asking price below market value will serve to attract a buyer. And if the seller asked $0 for the home, there most likely would be a bid war, unless the home happened to be located in Detroit.

‘It’s when you get over that $350,000 that we see six months supply and up,’

It’s when you get over that $350,000 that we see deluded sellers who are unwilling to reduce their asking prices to market-clearing levels. These homes sit unsold indefinitely to the point where their value declines not only due to the ongoing correction to local-end-user-determined fair market values, but also due to physical depreciation.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-06-05 07:21:03

In all honesty, I suspect a key problem is that the sellers in many cases are not your traditional households trying to get on with their lives, but rather banks and government-sponsored enterprises with REO they wish to sell at a premium. Why should a bailed out financial entity care about whether a home they have on the market never sells, especially if they have taxpayer money at their disposal as a source of unlimited staying power?

It seems patently unfair that American households wealth is (at least implicitly) used against them as a financial weapon of mass destruction to keep housing prices unaffordably out of reach to young families and others who may wish to relocate to better labor market opportunities, “affordable housing” rhetoric notwithstanding to the contrary.

Comment by Groundhogday
2010-06-05 07:45:03

In our neck of the woods (PNW), the high end homes are held by the owners. And held, and held, … I’m guessing many of these folks have the means to hang on for years. They are probably liquidating assets, tapping into retirement funds, etc… in the hope of making it back when the market “turns around.” Eventually, they will realize that money is gone, but reality will take a long time to settle in.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-06-05 18:51:24

In my town, ocean front central cal., the owners of the over priced 800-900k houses are in their 80s and 90s. When they wack off, their heirs drop the prices 200-300k and sell them. Amazing. OPM

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-06-05 09:25:30

“It’s when you get over that $350,000 that we see deluded sellers who are unwilling to reduce their asking prices to market-clearing levels.”

b..b..but these are NOT just mere houses or homes, they are our Retirement Enterprises.

;)

Comment by DennisN
2010-06-05 10:49:18

Not if you didn’t sell in 2006 like I did. :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-06-05 06:33:23

“With houses priced at more than $750,000 the supply of detached housing in the Denver market is at 33 months. Break that out to homes priced over a million and the supply is even longer — meaning it would take three years to sell off the homes that are for sale right now.”

Lower — The — PRICE! There are no forthcoming bailouts for owners of million dollar+ homes that have declined in value, so just get over it, or watch your investments crumble into desuetude before you get around to selling them!!

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-06-05 06:39:24

Lets see 120 degress in the summer today 108 and Excessive heat warning in effect from 1 PM this afternoon to 8 PM PDT Monday…

I would expect for that kind of money…like R-52 insulation all around the house….and a basement or underground space to provide some natural cooling….right?

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In the first two quarters of 2009, the average sale price in Bullhead City was around $162,000

Comment by DennisN
2010-06-05 11:01:47

A problem with places like Bullhead City - or Bend, OR - is that there is really no substantial industry there. Places like that can dry up and blow away on the prevailing winds of what’s trendy for recreation. An important factor in my shopping list for a place to retire was a strong and diversified local business environment.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-06-05 06:42:00

“The debt dog we helped unleash appears bent on nipping the Nevada, national and worldwide economic recoveries right in the bud.”

Here is where “higher than expected” long-term inflation could save us all. But the financial engineering exercise needed to bring it about is thus far proving problematic for central banks. It is hard to see from here how the turning point will come about, which suggests it will be a big shock when it happens.

Economics focus
A winding path to inflation
Even if governments could create inflation, they may not want to

Jun 3rd 2010 | From The Economist print edition

IN THE short run inflation is an economic phenomenon. In the long run it is a political one. This week The Economist asked a group of leading economists whether they reckoned inflation or deflation was the greater threat; this was our inaugural question in “Economics by invitation”, an online forum of more than 50 eminent economists. The rough consensus was that in the near term, as Western economies struggle to recover, the bigger worry there is deflation. But as the time horizon lengthened, more experts cited inflation, because it seems the most plausible exit strategy for governments trying to deal with crushing debts. “Deflation is not a lasting threat,” wrote Arminio Fraga, a former president of Brazil’s central bank. “The more interesting question is whether they can manage to keep inflation down over time under the regime of fiscal irresponsibility now prevailing almost everywhere.”

Creating more inflation is harder than it sounds—even if rich-world governments were tempted to try, as a solution to their fiscal problems. It requires aggregate demand to return to, and exceed, potential output. Measuring the output gap (the shortfall of actual demand compared with potential GDP) is notoriously tricky. The OECD reckons for its members it will be about 4% this year, down from about 5% last year. It has revised that estimate down since November in recognition of better-than-expected growth, especially in America. Still, the revised gap is larger than at any time since at least 1970. America’s gap was larger in 1982, but inflation today is much lower. Indeed, the OECD estimates that in each of the G7 countries, inflation will be less than 2% through to the end of next year. The process could be hurried up if inflation expectations rise. But with underlying inflation below central banks’ targets in many countries, and dropping, expectations could move down instead.

Using monetary policy to generate the growth necessary to push inflation much above 2% would be difficult, since short-term interest rates are already below 1%. Fiscal policy is turning contractionary as America’s stimulus expires and much of Europe implements austerity measures.

Comment by snake charmer
2010-06-05 10:43:41

The problem I have with these articles is that inflation is discussed so dispassionately, like we were talking about cheese. I would love to hear Bernanke, Summers, the American media, or any American politician at the federal level address remarks to responsible individuals who believe in saving money and who are getting less than 1% interest on CDs for their trouble, but I’m not holding my breath on that. Saving is the true terrorism.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-06-05 11:38:48

My bigger problem with this article is are these the same economists that couldn’t see the huge housing bubble and the economic chaos that resulted from this.

Comment by In Montana
2010-06-05 14:14:10

The prognosticators only predict what has already happened.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-05 06:56:51

My theory: The real pupose of BPs latest fix is to pump dispersant Correxit DOWN the 5-inch pipe to the oil-spewing well, not to recover any oil. I trust BP about as much as I trust the Fed.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-06-05 07:07:26

“It costs the bank around $6,000 to turn a foreclosed property around for sale, Lewis said. Tack onto that the 5 percent to 6 percent sales commission and the bank needs to sell that house for more than what it is worth just to see a return on the outstanding loan amount. ‘Banks are staring to realize they’re not going to get the money out of those loans,’ he said. ‘It didn’t sink in six months ago, but it’s starting to sink in now.’”

Ding…ding…ding! Oh yes, We have a Winner here.

:)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-06-05 07:15:17

“The Pleasant Grove home she bought in 1995 for $80,000 inflated in value to about $240,000 when she sold it 10 years later. ‘I knew there was no way the economy could continue [like that],’ she said.”

MIL’s family roots are there, as is divorced SIL’s 2006-purchased, megapriced McMansion, currently occupied by ex-hubby.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-06-05 08:13:10

It’s amazing how the tenor of the SL Trib’s housing coverage has changed in the past month. The articles now read more like a typical housing bubble blog post than they do a typical big-city American newspaper. No more whitewashes or obligatory “housing market is turning around” quotes from the nearest NAR stooge - rather it’s just foreclosures, foreclosures, as far as the eye can see.

And there have been a lot of articles, all of a sudden.

Prices here are finally in freefall. A number of the (I’m assuming) TARP-backed condo projects are desperately holding out, even though similar projects nearby have dropped their prices 30% or more, and those are still not selling. It’s really not different here, after all.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-05 08:48:06

I’ve always found the Utah papers to be fairly open to the idea of prices falling. They have some sensible regional economists at Wells Fargo and Zions, who were speaking out years go. UT also leads the country in mortgage fraud and saw some serious over-building, especially with mcmansions.

One thing I noted a while back; the later a bust happened the faster it fell. This is logical as the lending climate gets worse as time goes on. Utah was probably the last state to boom and start declining.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-06-05 10:11:15

Ben, I won’t dispute that there hasn’t been coverage. My takeaway from reading most articles has been yes, there are problems, but Utah’s bubble wasn’t that bad and we’re about to turn the corner any day now. Starting with the flurry of articles on May 22nd in the Trib, that seems to have suddenly changed.

If you browse through all of the recent stories (linked on the right side of the Trib article that you cited) the “great time to buy/it’s almost over” quotes have mostly disappeared from the articles. They’re quite a depressing read, if one thinks that housing price corrections are a bad thing. That’s a new and welcome development IMO.

I wish they would start covering all of overbuilt condo projects that sit empty as well. But, with the LDS church set to roll out a huge number of new high end condo units of their own in the big City Creek Center development downtown, I realize that’s just too much to ask.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-05 10:18:59

There’s more news out of UT than I can cover:

‘As part of a $3.4 million deal with SunCor Development, Utah’s School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration has reclaimed developmental rights for about 2,100-acres of land in Washington County’s Coral Canyon community. The proposal was finalized in late May, with SunCor, an Arizona-based company, relinquishing its development rights and selling 172 finished residential lots, in addition to 280 acres of residential land.’

‘After the region’s housing market began to spiral downward, SunCor’s parent company, an Arizona-based utility business, began seeking buyers for Coral Canyon and four of its other master planned communities, said SITLA Assistant Director Doug Buchi.’

‘With the threat of bankruptcy looming for SunCor as a result of its depressed real estate holdings, Buchi said SITLA had few options in preserving the community.’

‘More than 1,000 homes have been built in Coral Canyon, but the project is only about 50 percent complete, with about 1,000 more homes planned in the area, Buchi said.’

‘With Washington County’s real estate market suffering from an excess of inventory, Buchi said he envisions a long-term project expecting decades to pass before the lengthy building process concludes. ‘Realistically, it is probably a 20-year project,’ he said.’

http://www.thespectrum.com/article/20100604/NEWS01/6040341/SITLA+reclaims+development

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-06-05 10:47:26

Now you’re talking St. George/SW corner of UT, which is a whole different deal. That area collapsed along with AZ and NV since it had much more in common with those states (housing bubble wise) than it had with the rest of UT.

Absolutely correct, the realization of SW UT disaster has been well known and understood by most, for quite a while. My comments have only to do with the situation along the Wasatch Front, where the story is finally unfolding (locally) at an accelerating pace.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-05 11:18:12

I haven’t visited much of UT, but I did drive through Hurricane last year. New houses all over the place, on tiny lots of course.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-06-05 11:43:15

Lost in Utah,

Where the heck are you gal?

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-06-05 14:30:22

“That area collapsed along with AZ and NV since it had much more in common with those states (housing bubble wise) than it had with the rest of UT.”

Yeah I was going to say, it seemed like St. George took off a LONG time ago and every time I’ve driven down I-15 in the last 20 years I got more and more depressed at all the development, because I had kinda thought about retiring there myself. Too late!

 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-06-05 08:51:58

It’s really not different here ?

And “here” would be ??

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-06-05 07:38:47

‘It’s well-educated people with good jobs who thought they were financially prudent,’ said Allf, who has practiced in Las Vegas since 1983. ‘They can’t keep their homes, they’ve accumulated too much debt. All they were doing was living the American dream. It’s so sad.”

It’s so sad !?! Whoa…Let’s check the Facts Counselor.

Sheesh, it wouldn’t be so sad if Casino’s House of Cards hadn’t turned on them. Hell, wasn’t Time or some other stupid magazine featuring people such as these as RE gerus and geniuses a few years back for their savy boldness and use of creative fiinancing?

It’s greed, immediate gratification, RE gambling with OPM and the now the Pain of and Agony of Deleveraging in my book.

That isn’t sad…that’s just the sharp teeth of Reality, biting them in the A$$ !

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-05 09:41:15

Yeah, and the UHS honcho has her alligators too:

‘As for myself, I got involved in an option (adjustable-rate mortgage) in a house I am living in as an investment property. My responsible husband and me put 40 percent down and that 40 percent equity is gone. My husband is questioning why can’t we get a modification…They won’t give us a modification, even on the interest rate. It is all I can do to keep my husband from pushing me in that direction’

That ‘direction’ is walking away, BTW.

‘but I am the type of person who will get third job if necessary to continue with my promises. That’s how I am. We have six mortgages that are completely on time.’

Ha ha, I wonder what third job she’s talking about. Then there is this gem:

‘Have you ever thought about getting out of this business at some point?’

‘I will always have an exit strategy.’

Comment by snake charmer
2010-06-05 10:46:13

I sense a divorce is coming. She wants to hold on to her houses more than she wants to hold on to her marriage.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-06-05 11:13:50

Especially if it’s HIS paycheck that is paying for her empire.

Signed,
Been there, done that……

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Comment by mikey
2010-06-05 15:56:17

‘I will always have an exit strategy.’

When you see the pilots and stewards, smiling and nodding to everyone, while sliding toward the backdoors wearing parachutes, you know it’s gonna be a rough landing.

:)

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-06-05 11:30:44

“They can’t keep their homes, they’ve accumulated too much debt. All they were doing was living the American dream.”

Color me STILL amazed that the expectation is such that those two sentences aren’t even considered to be mutually exclusive.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-06-06 04:37:31

Florida Hotel Reservation Lines Go Silent as BP Spill Arrives :

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aa6dcdWoqMEE&pos=9

“I’ve talked to hoteliers and it’s not so much that there are cancellations — it’s the reservations line,” Grover Robinson, chairman of the Escambia County Commission, said today at a press briefing. “The phone just isn’t ringing.”

“Florida draws about 80 million visitors a year, bringing in $60 billion and making tourism the state’s No. 1 industry, according to Kathy Torian, spokeswoman for Florida’s tourism office in Tallahassee. Tourism accounts for almost one-quarter of the state’s sales-tax revenue, she said. Of Florida’s 19 million residents, almost 1 million work in tourism, Torian said.”

 
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