June 20, 2010

Bits Bucket For June 20, 2010

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Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 04:08:08

“Father’s Day is not about cards or forgettable presents, but about the gift of memory and the small moments that shine the brightest.”

~Patti Davis

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-20 04:41:05

A card company’s greatest desire would be having every day of the year being declared a holiday of some sort.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-20 06:26:32

Hwy’s musical Hallmark card to Goldenmansucks:

Card Front image:
http://www.cartoonspot.net/looney-tunes/picture/coyote-1.jpg

Text:
“These f@!king Guys!,” Jon Stewart.

Tune upon opening:
‘”Girls just wanna have fun”, by Cyndi Lauper ;-)

Back of card:
http://capsicumsunset.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/wile_e_coyote-gravity-lessons.jpg

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 07:16:38

You ought to get someone in the card biz to work that up, then sell it in Manhattan Island card shops in the Wall Street vicinity.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 04:11:27

Cost of Seizing Fannie and Freddie Surges for Taxpayers.
The New York Times

CASA GRANDE, Ariz. — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac took over a foreclosed home roughly every 90 seconds during the first three months of the year. They owned 163,828 houses at the end of March, a virtual city with more houses than Seattle. The mortgage finance companies, created by Congress to help Americans buy homes, have become two of the nation’s largest landlords.

Bill Bridwell, a real estate agent in the desert south of Phoenix, is among the thousands of agents hired nationwide by the companies to sell those foreclosures, recouping some of the money that borrowers failed to repay. In a good week, he sells 20 homes and Fannie sends another 20 listings his way.

“We’re all working for the government now,” said Mr. Bridwell on a recent sun-baked morning, steering a Hummer through subdivisions laid out like circuit boards on the desert floor.

Comment by oxide
2010-06-20 04:27:55

So it’s Fannie and Freddie who are holding back the shadow inventory? Is it illegal to collude with one’s self?

I wonder if Mr. Bridwell is angry at the “government takeover” of the housing industry?

Comment by james
2010-06-20 06:36:30

I figure if its FRE FAN doing this, it’s just ordinary incompetence. Govt people ya know.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 07:24:30

It takes rare skill to achieve the exact opposite outcome (”unaffordable housing”) from that descried in your mission statement (”affordable housing”).

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Comment by MightyMike
2010-06-20 11:51:25

Cheer up. House prices and rents have been falling for four years now and they haven’t stopped falling. Houseing is getting more affordable every day.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2010-06-20 12:11:17

I meant to write “housing”, “houseing”.

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-06-20 18:51:32

It takes rare skill to achieve the exact opposite outcome (”unaffordable housing”) from that descried in your mission statement (”affordable housing”).

It’s Orwellian double-speak driven by politicians.

 
 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 07:54:33

if he is the same Bill Bridwell I worked with twelve years ago, he is a self-described socialist. but the one I worked with in Tucson was also an engineer, so maybe just a coincidence? I heard of engineers Changing careers.

June 17th was my 25th anniversary of starting my software career. I graduated three weeks before starting my career. it is stoll rewarding!

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-20 08:12:33

‘it is stoll rewarding’

Is that some kind of Freudian slip?

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Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 08:56:31

As in “stole?” I have to be far more honest than the average American. background investigations, pee tests, credit checks, LE checks, interviews with neighbors and family members. all my career. I am in a different class of people to the extent that I do not trust anyone without a security clearance.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-06-20 09:19:17

” I am in a different class of people to the extent that I do not trust anyone without a security clearance.”

Pee tests and extensive background investigation runs are all part of being a real American Hero today.

Keep that stream clean and flowing Bill.

:)

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-20 10:07:01

I was actually thinking more along the lines of your work is actually not rewarding- ie the rewards have been ’stolen’ from you. But you know Freud would say, people are most defensive about what they’re most guilty of. :wink:

 
Comment by Bill in Lo Angeles
2010-06-20 10:35:37

Freud? I suppose my being in agreement with the philosophy of Ayn Rand, (but not in her character) says a lot about me. But to use Freud as an attempt of credible analogy says lot about you. I had a literature class in college in th early 80’s. The professor had a Freudian intrepretation of every book we had to critique. He was late to class once, so the students were talking. I was astonished most of us agreed we hated Freud and thought his name was a misspelling of “fraud.”

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-20 11:08:01

Bill in Lo Angeles

What would Freud make of that? You’ve lost your ’s’. Which stands for…

 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 12:25:23

LOL, iPad typing issue

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 08:24:17

“I” is too close to “o” in my iPad keyboard.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 07:18:27

Why don’t they just shut those firms down? I can think of no faster way to restore affordability to U.S. housing prices than to shutter the operation of the firms most directly responsible for “Making Home Unaffordable.” The government could also shut down its wacky housing affordability propaganda machine while they were at it…

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 07:20:45

P.S. Any politician who makes a serious bid to shutter Fannie and Freddie and to end the government’s (e.g. the “independent Fed’s”) involvement in propping up U.S. housing prices to levels unsupported by market fundamentals is likely to win my vote next fall. I’m Fed up.

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-06-20 07:41:57

The firms can’t be shut down because the contribute millions of dollars to political campaigns of chairmen of the financial services committee in CONgress.
They should never have been created in the first place, but there is also the issue of the Ratings Agencies that gave AAA ratings to crap loans.
As i have previously written, unless the Big Brokerage houses were broken up under Anti-Trust legislation, and the Rating agencies disbanded, expect NO reform in the financial sector. Also, the FED was to be AUDITED and investigated.
NONE will happen.
The ratings agencies are under the direction of the SEC. Rather than remove their NRSRO (nationally recognized statistical ratings organization) designation, which the SEC issues, the only reform in the current legislation is to “REVIEW” whether there is a conflict of interest under a 2-year study, again doing the Obama “commission” to study the problem. NO tough decisions here.

the SEC’s mission for the rating agencies:
“The single most important factor in the Commission staff’s assessment of NRSRO status is whether the rating agency is ‘nationally recognized’ in the United States as an issuer of credible and reliable ratings by the predominant users of securities ratings.”s
The big 3 have proven that they don’t give reliable and credible ratings, but still are SEC approved. So, now, let’s do a 2 year study. Why not “delist” them and make them prove that their “new” organization is worthy of a rating. Or better yet, get rid of the SEC commission and let other agencies compete for the title of the best, most reliable and most credible rating agency.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-06-20 15:13:46

“The firms can’t be shut down because the contribute millions of dollars to political campaigns of chairmen of the financial services committee in CONgress.”

And they wouldn’t even have that money (they’d be insolvent and need to declare bankruptcy) if it weren’t for CONgress. Talk about a circle jerk!

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Comment by 2banana
2010-06-20 09:54:57

Anyone remember a Christmas Eve (2009) White House decision that they hoped no one would notoce?

When President Obama and his treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, elected to increase loss coverage for the Government Sponsored Enterprises (GSE) of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from $200 billion to unlimited for the next three years.

Comment by ACH
2010-06-20 16:43:20

This little fact just shows how intent the USG is on not letting housing prices revert to affordability.

The next part of the plan is USG subsidy for FBs that will make the last one look puny.

We need debt destruction to revert and reset. No dd, no revert reset.

Roidy

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 04:13:57

Fair Game ~ The Inflatable Loan Pool

AMID the legal battles between investors who lost money in mortgage securities and the investment banks that sold the stuff, one thing seems clear: the investment banks appear to be winning a good many of the early skirmishes.

But some cases are faring better for individual plaintiffs, with judges allowing them to proceed even as banks ask that they be dismissed. Still, these matters are hard to litigate because investors must persuade the judges overseeing them that their losses were not simply a result of a market crash. Investors must argue, convincingly, that the banks misrepresented the quality of the loans in the pools and made material misstatements about them in prospectuses provided to buyers.

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-20 04:56:26

“Investors must argue, convincingly, that the banks misrepresented the quality of the loans in the pools and made material misstatements about them in prospectuses provided to buyers.”

The SEC requirement of an accurate prospectus is one of the greatest gifts a con job could ask for, that’s because few people actually read them.

I once read a prospectus for a scam of a company (GNTA) that flatly stated the company never expected to ever earn a profit (and so far is has lived up to its expectations). I pointed out this to the readers of the GNTA message board on Yahoo and got run off by the GNTA true believers. That was when the stock was selling an twelve dollars or so; now it’s down to something like a penny.

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-20 05:24:26

The SEC demands full disclosure of all pertinent issues facing a company. It doesn’t pass judgement on these issues, it just demands a full disclosure of them. Failing to fully disclose could easily land somebody in prison.

But this requirement can work in a scam artist’s favor because it offers the scam artist legal cover. As long as the scammer fully discloses to the investor that his operation is a scam then he is legally covered.

Hence one of the best things going for a scam artist is the requirement of a fully disclosing prospectus that remains unread.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 08:06:01

Investors must argue, convincingly, that the banks misrepresented the quality of the loans in the pools and made material misstatements about them in prospectuses provided to buyers.”

Would e-mails regarding ’sh!tty assets’ qualify as evidence that a bank misrepresented the quality of loans in the inflatable drowning pools it sold to its ‘clients’?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 08:08:34

“Among the 10 defendants in the cases are Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, Merrill Lynch, Countrywide and UBS. None of these banks would comment.

Debt men tell no tales.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-20 18:33:46

+1 :lol:

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-06-20 10:40:49

IMHO the mis-ratings of investments created the market heights and
availability of money during the boom lending . The market makers took normal risks and rated them as if those risk didn’t exist based on the premise that real estate always goes up . Who gave them the right to make this call, especially when all business models in the past show that
these risks didn’t go away . If you add to all this that there was no fiduciary responsibility exercised by these entities to underwrite loans or prevent fraud ,it was noting but a fake contrived market based on
greed/fraud from the top to the bottom of the food chain .

The only thing you can say is that the market makers owned the government (and de-regulation helped set the stage ) and the regulators went right along with it .

The situation is nothing but a black hole of loss ,just like all that black oil pumping out of the disaster polluting the waters in the Gulf.

When I picture these greedy pieces of shit that have created this mess ,the Gulf and the financial systems ,all I can say is don’t let them nuke the Gulf .

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 04:31:14

‘Road to ruin’ lies ahead if spending cuts and tax rises are not carried out, warns Osborne ~ Daily Mail Reporter, 20th June 2010

* Lib-Dem MPs threaten revolt over Budget plans

Britain will be on ‘the road to ruin’ without painful spending cuts and tax rises in the Budget, Chancellor George Osborne warned today.

Mr Osborne will unveil on Tuesday what is expected to be the harshest set of economic measures seen in decades in a bid to tackle the UK’s record deficit.

Labour said the Government’s determination to go “further and faster” with austerity measures was “profoundly misguided” and would “crush” the fragile recovery.

Chancellor George Osborne speaking on the Andrew Marr show today. He will unveil on Tuesday what is expected to be the harshest set of economic measures seen in decades in a bid to tackle the UK’s record deficit

But Mr Osborne insisted it was unavoidable given the state of the nation’s finances - promising measures would be “tough…but fair”.

He said the package - which has been signed off by senior Government figures from both coalition parties - would set the framework for the next five years.

And he urged voters to judge it not on the immediate pain it would cause to everyone but on the long-term benefits.

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-20 05:04:11

“And he urged voters to judge it not on the immediate pain it would cause to everyone but on the long-term benifits.”

Good luck in selling the concept of “long-term”. Long term for many means after the next payday.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 08:20:18

“Long term” for many means after they are dead and gone (including Lord Keynes, apparently).

Too bad for the rest of us that this defunct economists’ hair-of-the-dog policy prescriptions have yet to follow their creator into the grave. I am thinking that a couple of decades from now, after the dust is settled on the present crisis and the sample size of Keynesian remedies for Great Contractions expands from one to two, perhaps the hair-of-the-dog hangover macroeconomic cure can be laid to rest. I personally find the notion that one can cure a hangover-induced headache by further drinking is patently absurd, but apparently my view remains in the minority at this point…

Comment by Spokaneman
2010-06-20 10:39:47

You are dead wrong, just ask any alcoholic. By and large society is in a state of denial. Unfortunately there is not enought interventionists to help it get past that.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-20 18:36:52

Walk like and Egyptian!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-20 18:38:31

Walk like an Egyptian!

 
 
 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 08:22:31

tax hikes and real spending cuts in all programs are going to happen in the U.S. eventually. those few Americans who never voted or voted third party will unfortunately be unjustly punished. they did not vote for any legislature who increased the spending.

I still apologize for voting for GWB for POTUS in 2004. I liked the GWB of the first term, but he turned out to be disastrous in the second term. the current POTUS has even worse economic policies, but I like him and want him re-elected. I certainly would not vote for B.o. Though. he is not pushing wacko religion on us and that is a big plus! I think most American taxpayers are social liberal and fiscal conservative but they think voting third party is a waste!

I will absorb the hit of paying higher taxes. I have no justification to complain about taxes since i hold myself as partially responsible for Bush re-election. I avoid taxes as much as I can, but vote no more. America is screwed. the VOTERS of the tax and spend Democrats and Republicans are the ones to blame. I don’t blame anyone who is or was elected. I won’t sanction this broken process. the good news is that the crisis will heal eventually. there are new generations of people from traditional impoverished backgrounds who are fiscal conservatives.

Comment by B. Durbin
2010-06-20 14:10:26

“the current POTUS has even worse economic policies, but I like him and want him re-elected. I certainly would not vote for B.o. Though. he is not pushing wacko religion on us and that is a big plus!”

Let me be the first to say, Huh?

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 17:05:07

In other words, the quicker America collapses into a feeding frenzy at taxpayer expense, the quicker we get to the cure. Obama as POTUS is the quickest way. I want the cure very fast.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-06-20 17:30:21

That’s why public funded election are mandatory…Imagine what would have happened if Bama Mcsame and Nader all had equal amounts to spend and all 3 must be in the debates?

Ill bet some 3rd parties would have won some seats..

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I think most American taxpayers are social liberal and fiscal conservative but they think voting third party is a waste!

 
Comment by technovelist
2010-06-21 03:33:15

I liked the GWB of the first term, but he turned out to be disastrous in the second term.

Thank you for the proof that you are not any variety of libertarian. GWB was the biggest disaster for individual liberties since FDR.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 05:11:33

California unemployment report fosters doubts on recovery.
The addition of 28,300 jobs in May mostly represents temporary census positions, adding to fears that a return to normal will take longer than expected. ~ LA Times

California added jobs for a fifth straight month in May, but the positions weren’t the type economists like to see.

Some were temporary census jobs that will disappear during the summer. Others were jobs snagged by people who wanted full-time work but could find only part-time positions.

Though the state added 28,300 jobs to payrolls in May, economists say the types of jobs added indicate that the state’s economy still faces big problems ahead.

Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 05:22:59

Now I’m confused, why just last week Plugs Biden said we were on the road to recovery and that the gubmint programs were working. Now you have ‘economists’ saying these aren’t the type of jobs they like to see.

I’ll go along with Plugs on this, cause I know he would never mislead anyone. He’s from the gubmint and he’s here to help, by golly.

Comment by oxide
2010-06-20 05:41:54

Why do they call him “Plugs” Biden? I prefer the “Gaffer” Biden pun.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-20 08:14:12

New orders from HQ.

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Comment by james
2010-06-20 07:15:44

Ah. No sense bagging on the career politician for useless and largely transparent spin for the unwashed truebeliever(R) Socialists here.

Just sort through the data.

We all know this is going to go on for a long while.

 
 
Comment by Eddie
2010-06-20 05:30:20

But Barry assured us that census jobs are as good as other jobs. So I’m not worried.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-20 06:17:52

“TrueHaskell™” = “But, but, but…”

Life long card caring “TruePurity™” member of this Southern club:

“TrueDoNothing™ / “TrueObstructionists™ / TrueGridLokers™”

:-)

Comment by Eddie
2010-06-20 06:24:56

Was that English?

How can you possibly defend Obama? You either have ingested so much KoolAid, you will be drunk until 2013 no matter what.

Or you’ve realized what a collosal failure he has been but can’t admit to yourself that you were hoodwinked by a community organizer with a good teleprompter.

I think it’s #1.

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Comment by snake charmer
2010-06-20 07:17:44

Every modern American politician giving televised speeches, regardless of ideology, uses a teleprompter from time to time.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-06-20 07:30:10

I always picture that scene in “Bruce Almighty” where the teleprompter text is taken over by the Bruce character and the newscaster continues to read the gobbledegook he sees. It would be great fun to hack into The One’s teleprompter.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-20 07:31:43

Hwy’s anti-dote for “TruePurity™” Champagne Capitalists Haterade! :-)

Thanks for the reminder “TrueHaskell™”

BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™)

Mint Julep

Historical References:

1. Autobiography of an Irish traveller, By Irish traveller, 1835

“Sir, you’ve only to ask me for what you may want, for father to-morrow will be all mops and brooms with his voters, and not know a glass of grog from a mint julep.*”

Fresh mint pounded and the juice mixed with rum and sugar.

2. On the etiology, pathology, and treatment of fibro-bronchitis and rheumatic pneumonia, By Thomas Hepburn Buckler, 1853

“…take occasionally though the day a sip of mint-julep, made with good old brandy.”

3. Rum, Romance & Rebellion, by Charles William Taussig, 1928

“The man rose about six o’clock and started the day with a “julep” made of rum, water and sugar”

4. Medical Lexicon, By Robley Dunglison, 1856

Mint Julep. A drink, consisting of brandy, sugar, and pounded ice, flavoured by sprigs of mint. It is an agreeable alcoholic excitant.

5. The Quadroon; or, A lover’s adventures in Louisiana, By Mayne Reid, 1856

“The gentleman now placed side by side two glasses - tumblers of large size. Into one he put, first, a spoonful of crushed white sugar - then a slice of lemon - ditto of orange - next a few sprigs of green mint - after that a handful of broken ice, a gill of water, and, lastly, a large glass measure of cognac. This done, he lifted the glasses one in each hand, and poured the contents from one to the other, so that ice, brandy, lemons, and all, seemed to be constantly suspended in the air, and oscillating between the glasses. The tumblers themselves at no time approached nearer than two feet from each other! This adroitness, peculiar to his craft, and only obtained after long practice, was evidently a source of professional pride. After some half-score of these revolutions the drink was permitted to rest in one glass, and was then set down upon the counter. There yet remained to be given the “finishing touch.” A thin slice of pine-apple was cut freshly from the fruit. This held between the finger and thumb was doubled over the edge of the glass, and then passed with an adroit sweep round the circumference. “That’s the latest [New] Orleans touch,” remarked the barkeeper with a smile, as he completed the manoeuvre. There was a double purpose in this little operation. The pine-apple not only cleared the glass of the grains of sugar and broken leaves of mint, but left its fragrant juice to mingle its aroma with the beverage. “The latest [New] Orleans touch,” he repeated; “scientific style.”

http://wiki.webtender.com/wiki/Mint_Julep

 
Comment by SV guy
2010-06-20 07:41:27

Agreed that the teleprompter has become prevalent. Take away the teleprompter and see the real intellect. Bammy fairs slightly better than shrub sans prompter. That’s not really saying much. Kind of like a spelling contest between shrub and quayle. The politician who was nimble on his feet was slick willie. This guy could sell a steak knife to a vegetarian.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-20 07:43:59

Are TeaPartiers against community organizers?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-20 07:48:33

“..This guy could sell a steak knife to a vegetarian.”

Ha, but just look at how resourceful that makes the vegetarian! ;-)

 
Comment by Eddie
2010-06-20 08:04:14

SV Guy,

Bam Bam used a teleprompter to give a speech to grade school kids for crying out loud.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2010-06-20 12:00:55

Do you really consider the teleprompter to be an important issue? Some people worry about the debt being passed on to future generations. Other people are concerned about high unemployment. Just about everybody is angry about the situation in the Gulf of Mexico? Why spend even ten seconds thinking about the teleprompter?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-20 05:40:50

‘In his time off from his job, Matthew Piper mows greenbelts and repairs streetlights free of charge for his Moreno Valley condominium community. Piper, the treasurer of the Aspen Hills Community Association, and a handful of other homeowners have endeavored to keep the community afloat since April 25, 2008, when its builder, Rancho Cucamonga-based Prestige Homes, filed for bankruptcy. Construction stopped abruptly, leaving the ghostly gray frames of three buildings as a fixture of the landscape.’

‘Marjorie Murray, a housing policy analyst and president of the Center for California Homeowner Association Law, a nonprofit consumer advocacy group, said that in bankrupt developments throughout the state, homeowners “are living in an island with wreckage all around them and it is completely unclear what their recourse is.’

‘In Florida, community associations recently were dealt a setback when a state appellate court denied a motion to compel a bank to complete a foreclosure on a property where neither the mortgage nor association fees were being paid. Nor could the bank be forced to start paying the association fees. In Moreno Valley, Aspen Hills’ entry gates at Lasselle Street are always swung open, stirring the ire of homeowners who had expected the security of a private community. But the gates were never automated. Neither the builder nor its lenders can be required to complete the project or deliver promised amenities.’

‘We were sort of abandoned by the developer and management company that was initially here. … In my mind it is a breach of contract,’ said Eulanda Page, a homeowner who contends that her fees should be reduced, not raised as some have suggested to replenish the reserves. Piper said he has gone door to door trying to explain to homeowners that unless they pay their monthly fee of $217.40, the association can’t pay for vital services like trash pickup, sewer and water.’

‘Piper said the association’s liens are worthless when homes are sold in foreclosure. Because home values have fallen dramatically, he said, nothing remains from the proceeds after lenders, whose claims have priority, take their share. Assessment delinquencies have become thorns in the side of homeowners associations across the state, said Kelly G. Richardson, who chairs the legislative action committee of the Community Associations Institute. The problem is magnified, Richardson said, because banks are stalling the foreclosure process, which lets delinquent assessments pile up. Banks do not have legal responsibility for paying such fees until they take possession of a home, and then they are not required to pay the former owner’s obligations, he said.’

‘The five-bank consortium represented by Wells Fargo is not legally required to foreclose on the project, and it isn’t clear that they will do so, said Mike Buckley, the consortium’s bankruptcy lawyer. Trustee auctions have been scheduled repeatedly and then canceled for ‘a wide variety of reasons,’ said Buckley, declining to be more specific.’

‘Because the lenders have not taken title to Aspen Hills, they have no obligation to start paying association fees on the eight unsold homes. Nor are they going to complete the swimming pool, parks and gates. Jeff Last, managing director for a real estate consulting firm working for the consortium, said it does not make sense for the lenders to spend more on the property when it is uncertain if they will take possession. ‘If we foreclosed, I would anticipate we could do a lot more,’ he said.’

‘Today there is no market for new attached housing in Moreno Valley, according to Steve Johnson, who heads the Riverside office of Metrostudy, a real estate research firm. ‘The banks probably realize there is very little demand for the project. So they are not in a hurry,’ he said.’

‘But Cligny said the community can’t afford to wait. ‘There needs to be some responsibility put on lenders that requires them to perfect the foreclosure and not leave a project in limbo. I think they have responsibility to people who in good faith purchased in the project,’ he said.’

http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_D_condo20.242a054.html

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-20 06:12:03

‘The banks probably realize there is very little demand for the project. So they are not in a hurry,’

So what happens when a small child falls into the empty association pool?

(maybe someone here might know):

‘The five-bank consortium represented by Wells Fargo is not legally required to foreclose on the project…”

Comment by james
2010-06-20 06:34:42

Probably some lawyer will get rich.

Possibly ignoring the fact the parents allowed the kid near the pool.

Possibly ignoring the fact that most kids out on their own will search out some kind of cliff/pool/stairs to go skateboarding on.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-06-20 06:54:06

I guess not much…the parents should have moved before that accident waiting to happen occurs.

Or spent money out of their pockets to make sure the fence is secured from this.

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So what happens when a small child falls into the empty association pool?

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-06-20 06:12:10

“‘Because the lenders have not taken title to Aspen Hills, they have no obligation to start paying association fees on the eight unsold homes. Nor are they going to complete the swimming pool, parks and gates.”‘

The ball is in the lender’s court. The lender doesn’t own the homes until they decide it is in their best interest to do so.

Buy why should it be in their best interest to do so? By forclosing and taking ownership the lender is stuck with a lot of expenses he wouldn’t otherwise be stuck with, or stuck with expenses he could put off until sometime later. Taking possession of these houses now and eating the expenses that go with along them may cost the lender his job.

Like it or not, the rational thing for the lender to do at this point is to Extend & Pretend.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-20 06:22:13

‘Taking possession of these houses now and eating the expenses that go with along them may cost the lender his job. Like it or not, the rational thing for the lender to do…’

But it isn’t rational. In previous busts lenders foreclosed quickly, got the house on the market and sold it for as much as they could get cuz prices were still falling. This article makes no mention of holding out for a higher price or a recovering market.

What’s not to like? How about destroying what value is left? What about driving even more people into foreclosure, further damaging lender balance sheets and incomes? Taking the easy, short-sighted path in a bad situation isn’t smart or rational. It’s just stupid.

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-20 06:31:06

“Taking the easy, short-sighted path in a bad situation isn’t smart or rational. It’s just stupid.”

It’s stupid in a macro sense but not stupid in the micro sense. It’s all about survival of the bank and survival of the banker’s job.

Saving the bank is the number one priority of the banker. If the short-sighted path will save the bank then that’s the path the banker will take. From the banker’s point of view it’s the only path that is open to him.

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Comment by mikey
2010-06-20 07:04:15

“Saving the bank is the number one priority of the banker. If the short-sighted path will save the bank then that’s the path the banker will take. From the banker’s point of view it’s the only path that is open to him.”

The saving of the banks propaganda and justifications are churned out everywhere. Several Wisconsin large banks had big money and interests tied up in AZ and Fl RE.

Business
TARP still lends safety net to Wisconsin banks
Regulators likely to require capital cushion
By Paul Gores of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: June 19, 2010 |

While most of America’s biggest banks have made headlines by repaying their TARP money more quickly than many thought they would, it seems unlikely that Wisconsin banks will be following suit any time soon.

In all, the U.S. Treasury has invested more than $2.5 billion to beef up the capital levels of 20 banks based in Wisconsin through the Troubled Asset Relief Program. Even though only four of the banks had an unprofitable first quarter, bankers and analysts say the fragile economy and the danger of more loans turning sour probably will lead most to keep the capital, which serves as a cushion against losses from bad debt…”

Oh Yeah Bay Bee…We gotta Save those Banks !

;)

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-06-20 08:05:08

While most of America’s biggest banks have made headlines by repaying their TARP money more quickly than many thought they would……..
A fraud of the biggest kind. Let’s see, the Treasury gets the FED to print up a bunch of dollars and gives it to the banks.
The FED loans the money at ZERO interest. The bank gives the money to the Treasury for 3.5 to 4 % interest bearing bonds.
The balance of income from the bonds goes back to the banks who give the money to the FED to pay back the loans.
Is this about how this works?
So, the debts are written off by the Treasury because the banks did essentially nothing but spend the “loans” from the FED. The remaining “capital” was used to float asset prices in stocks and commodities, thereby allowing ALL the big banks to make positive profits on consecutive days for a couple of months( no losses)……..unheard of in the marketplace. Do you see something wrong here?
Meanwhile, the little banks, who can’t get 1OO’s of billions in “loans” to sell back to the Treasury for a profit, can’t get out from their over-extended loans and head for collapse.
The “too-big to fail” need to become the too-big to bail.
BREAK UP the big 5. Re-instate Glass-Steagel.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-06-20 11:13:44

Yes . Until they break up the big Banks /Investment firms and re-define the function of Insurance Companies and re-instate Glass-Steagel we are just held hostage by these entities . You need some responsibility for proper lending
and leverage and this needs to be separate from high risk investments and off the chart leverage .Remember ,one of the biggest bail outs was to the Insurance Company (AIG ),who didn’t have to reserves to pay on their Insurance bets (Credit Default Swaps )to Banks.

Insurance Companies making high risk credit default bets and
Bank of America trying to sell me some cheesy bogus Health Insurance Plan is what has evolved from the ability of these different entities with different functions to enter all markets .
You can’t have regulations when a entity can take their profit and than play high risk games with it ,or worse play without reserves ,or leverage way beyond reason because they are not restricted on the casinos they can enter . At least they had enough insight back in the 30’s to know what caused the
stock market crash and create Glass-Steagel and other regulations . Its what games the financial entities can play ,

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-20 06:36:15

“How about destroying what value is left?”

The folks that are left should have an association meeting, and bring donuts & data showing which banks owns their notes…there might be some mutual commonality in the banks that issued loans. ;-)

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Comment by james
2010-06-20 07:01:09

Ben,

The entire mindset is; times were good when the bubble was happening and prices were going up.

Hence these bankrupt organizations, be they the Fed, major banks or GSEs are trying everything to return to those good old days.

The bubble is not going quietly.

Also note our Fed bank captain and chief cheerleader is calling for even less reserves. The banks with out reserves have zero tolerance for deflation. So, they are going to keep pushing on the string for a long time.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-20 07:09:06

‘trying everything to return to those good old days’

From what I read, this happy face approach looks like it’s for public consumption. IMO, behind closed doors these people know exactly what’s going on. For instance, the chief economist for Fannie Mae openly acknowledged the looming shadow inventory. But when we tried to contact him for an interview, they refused to let us get an email to him and said ‘Fannie Mae has no shadow inventory.’ I say BS on that; I see it all the time with my own eyes and took photos of it on this trip.

 
Comment by milkcrate
2010-06-20 18:07:21

Maybe FOIA request would get the data. You might have to wait 24 months.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-20 07:33:32

Previous RE busts were localized, and therefore inherently easier to flush through the system faster- the rest of the system was intact and could afford to ’snap up ‘ the foreclosed properties, and also there were jobs available in the rest of the country for those who lost out in the crash.

The current bubble is, of course, nationwide (worldwide really), and therefore the safeguards that existed in previous busts aren’t there. There aren’t enough people waiting on the sidelines to buy a massive amount of foreclosures pushed onto the market all at once- real estate prices would plummet even faster, forcing even more people into foreclosure. Our entire banking system would fail, and the FDIC would either fail, too, or be forced to get a huge emergency loan from the government. We’d have bank runs again, and god knows what else.

Letting some poorly planned condominium complexes and overbuilt crapshacks to become decrepit is an unfortunate side-effect of keeping our system intact. But many of these ‘developments’ would be just as screwed if we forced all foreclosures onto the market at once. Probably more screwed.

You don’t get to be the world’s reserve currency by letting your system crash to the ground periodically.

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Comment by SDGreg
2010-06-20 12:00:46

“Our entire banking system would fail, and the FDIC would either fail, too, or be forced to get a huge emergency loan from the government. We’d have bank runs again, and god knows what else.”

But who’s to say that won’t happen anyway, just later and possibly more spectacularly?

I’m not arguing for that to happen. But I’d probably be more surprised if it didn’t eventually didn’t happen anyway despite all of the efforts to prevent it.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-20 13:45:47

If you can slow down the crash and allow it to occur over several years, the system has a chance to adjust and work its way through the mess. It’s not guaranteed to make it, but it is guaranteed to fail if we force all the foreclosures on the market at once. If our whole system fails, the worldwide economy will contract much more than it did after Lehman and Bear failed. We’d probably lose our status as the world’s reserve currency. I’m not happy that that’s the situation, but it is the situation nonetheless.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-20 22:40:50

‘If you can slow down the crash and allow it to occur over several years…it is guaranteed to fail if we force all the foreclosures on the market at once. If our whole system fails…We’d probably lose our status as the world’s reserve currency’

Yeah, and we all would lose our jobs if house prices/wall street took the whack they have coming. Fear mongering at it’s worst.

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-06-20 06:25:26

By executing transactions that are profitable and putting off transactions that would be unprofitable the banks can be shown to be operating in the black.

Operating in the black lures investors into buying newly issued bank stock. This money then can go into fortifying the bank’s capital base and add to the bank’s chances of remaining solvent.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-20 06:53:57

‘lures investors into buying newly issued bank stock…and add to the bank’s chances of remaining solvent’

I’ve come across this issuing new stock to stay afloat idea before. I used to be a controller for a dotcom during that foolishness. I would sit in meetings with ‘venture capitalists’ and tell them that at some point, we had to try and make a profit. They lost everything they put in, but it was their money. The stakes with these foreclosures is more serious IMO.

I completely understand why people and organizations take the path of least resistance, I just don’t think it has any place in business. These houses are the only thing backing the bad loans. If I were a shareholder, I’d want to know why they aren’t collecting what collateral is left.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-06-20 07:07:57

“If I were a shareholder, I’d want to know why they aren’t collecting what collateral is left.”

That’s because you are an accountant. Most people don’t understand accounting. All that most people understand about stocks are price fluctuations.

For most people price equals value. If the price of their stock goes up then they are happy, maybe happy enough to buy more stock. If the price of their stock goes down then they are unhappy, maybe unhappy enough to sell their stock. It’s all about price.

This is contrary to most every other aspect of human behavior. Usually when the price of an item goes up then demand drops off. It the price of tomatoes goes up then people buy less tomatoes.

But if the price of stock goes up then people get all excited and want to buy more of it. Hence the need to get the price stock up so more can be sold to an excited public so money can be made from the stock sales.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-06-20 07:29:45

Look for GM to come out with an over-priced IPO sometime this year. One of the selling points used will be GM’s repayment of the money it borrowed from the government FIVE YEARS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE!

Wow! Five years ahead of schedule! GM must be doing great! Put me down for 500 shares.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 07:44:34

“These houses are the only thing backing the bad loans.”

Call me confused again. I was under the impression they were backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 07:47:36

“For most people price equals value. If the price of their stock goes up then they are happy, maybe happy enough to buy more stock.”

Related example: People whose auto- and housing-purchase decisions are driven by ‘how much a month’ they will have to pay for entry to the Ownership Society.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 07:50:20

“But if the price of stock goes up then people get all excited and want to buy more of it. Hence the need to get the price stock up so more can be sold to an excited public so money can be made from the stock sales.”

What happens in the unhappy circumstance where the stock’s price has been pumped up so hopelessly high compared to the underlying value of the company that even fools can recognize the gross mispricing? At that point, I suppose it becomes incumbent on the government to make sure that prices stay high?

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 07:42:32

“The lender doesn’t own the homes until they decide it is in their best interest to do so.”

Is this legal? I thought there were laws regarding a limit to the time before lenders have to repossess homes with abandoned mortgages.

If there are not such laws currently on the books, wouldn’t it be in the best interest of the communities where homes with abandoned mortgages are located to pass such laws? I suggest local communities enact laws (where none are yet on on the books) that give lenders a reasonable period of time to repossess homes and put them on the market. Once this time is expired, the local community could take possession of the homes and sell them at a price that would attract young families who would be able to lay down the roots for a vibrant and qualified labor force to fuel a future economic recovery. By the time the credit bust finally comes to a conclusion, communities who were forward looking and managed to attract a new generation of young, qualified workers to settle in their midst will find themselves well positioned to prosper. Currently taking a hard line against debt beat lenders who stand in the way of housing affordability by keeping vacant, abandoned homes off the market is a good way to start this process.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-06-20 06:37:25

‘In Florida, community associations recently were dealt a setback when a state appellate court denied a motion to compel a bank to complete a foreclosure on a property where neither the mortgage nor association fees were being paid. Nor could the bank be forced to start paying the association fees. In Moreno Valley, Aspen Hills’ entry gates at Lasselle Street are always swung open, stirring the ire of homeowners who had expected the security of a private community. But the gates were never automated. Neither the builder nor its lenders can be required to complete the project or deliver promised amenities.’

Back in the 1990s, I served on the board of a small HOA over on Florida’s east coast and had quite an indoctrination into Florida real estate law. The attorney for the association explained that the laws were written specifically to protect banks and lenders, because otherwise it would be practically impossible to get a mortgage. If you have a owner who is not paying their association fees, tough beans. Suck it up, pray it goes into foreclosure fast and that the bank sells it fast. At least in that association, even in foreclosure, the bank was never obligated to pay HOA fees. That’s when I realized that was going to be the one and only time I would ever own in a HOA or condo association. You’re pretty much at the mercy of the banks and the other owners.

When times are good, as they were back then, the occasional default on association fees is a pain in the patootie, but it can be absorbed. When such defaults become common, it’s a nightmare. I wonder how many homeowners in associations around the country are thinking they’ll never buy in an association again? I wonder how many are getting a rude education in real estate law that governs associations. And I wonder how many are swearing they’ll never buy again in a development that isn’t complete. That is, if they ever get a second chance.

Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 08:37:02

yes, but in a SFH neighborhood without HOA, you can be a proud owner obsessed with the nice upkeep of your yard, roof, and structure, but your next door neighbor could trash his house and knock down your value. you have no recourse.

 
 
Comment by james
2010-06-20 06:41:40

We generally refer to Moreno Valley as Moron Valley… God forsaken strip of desert might just as well be Vegas.

Ghost towns near you soon…

 
Comment by cereal
2010-06-20 08:06:46

I finally looked at Moreno Valley on Zillow. The 4th or 5th down was purchased for 625k in ‘06.

Now on mkt for 299k.

4200 sf.

The only thing I know about MV is the brown fertilizer smell that hangs over the city like a blanket. My observation from driving along the i-60 of course.

Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 08:44:49

the Inland empire is dull and has been for decades. most of L.A. Is grimy and third wordlish. 104 degrees in clean Ahwatukee is not so bad. l.A. fitness got new machines and the people are happy about it. the facility where I work out in L.A. Has old equipment and the locker room is filthy most of the time.

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-06-20 06:43:06

Perhaps we should have required in adult education classes in Florida RE history before we allow fools to travel inter-state with credit and money.

Many FB owners of the current Florida Fiasco are older adults and seniors that should have known the bust boom history and nature of the Florida condo game in particlar. As for the younger and native born residents of Florida, it’s not like this hasn’t happened before. Your Daddy should have taught you about condo and RE gambling and that isn’t in my job description.

The condo RE bust of the early 1980’s and it’s lingering effects there are not exactly ancient history or a closely guarded Florida State Secret.

:)

Comment by palmetto
2010-06-20 06:51:18

“Perhaps we should have required in adult education classes in Florida RE history before we allow fools to travel inter-state with credit and money.”

Actually, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to require folks to read a short summary of the obligations (or lack of them) of banks and possible financial consequences of purchasing in a condo association or HOA, before closing on a property. Never happen, though. The FAR (Florida Association of Realtors) and the various builders and developer associations would fight that tooth and nail up in Tallahassee. I’ve never purchased a condo and thought I was so smart because “all we have is a HOA”. When it comes to absorbing the fees of deadbeat owners, same difference.

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-06-20 07:00:51

There’s another difficulty that nobody wants to talk about and that’s the increasingly multi-national makeup of owners in these condo and homeowner associations. Now, many of these owners are basically good folks who want to do the right thing. But you do get the occasional foreign deadbeat who can’t or won’t pay up. And before that happens, often there’s some sort of violation or series of violations against basic association agreements and they don’t care. In their thinking, rules were made to be broken and confrontations with foreign thugs can get downright nasty, even threatening.

Comment by mikey
2010-06-20 07:20:54

The origional condo concept of, ownership in an affordable, well managed, EZ living alternative housing, was a good idea for several lifestyle types, especially for Florida.

Unfortunately, this great concept, was soon perverted beyond all reasonable recognition in no time flat.

Today, it’s like the evil vampire that will not die.

:)

Comment by palmetto
2010-06-20 07:33:25

mikey, at one time it was sort of a win-win. While being an affordable alternative for owners, it was profitable for builders/developers. And it did work for a while, especially for the retired, over 55 crowd. There was a sort of peaceful co-existence.

I’m renting in an over-55 retirement community that was started back in the 1960s. It has a lot of those little Florida concrete block shacks that I like. But I have a feeling that part of this community will spin off and end up letting go of that over 55 rule sooner or later, for economic reasons. And that will be a disaster, although I’m sure the local realtors will love it.

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Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 09:04:52

well the bottom line is the idea of shared responsibility. in an apartment complex rental the upkeep is a given because it is built into the rent. At least in Arizona if you stop paying rent you will be evicted. in an ownership community HOA or not, you can have. Slob for a neighbor destroy the value of your home just by his own neglect.

Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 09:36:14

Typo - meant to say in a place you own, HOA or not, your neighbor’s negligence will still affect the value of your place.

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Comment by SDGreg
2010-06-20 12:04:57

“The condo RE bust of the early 1980’s and it’s lingering effects there are not exactly ancient history or a closely guarded Florida State Secret.”

But how many of the current residents were living in Florida in the early 1980’s?

 
 
Comment by james
2010-06-20 06:55:46

I put this under the sigh category… No crisis wasted… Again with the whine about addiction to oil and maybe we will get some cap and trade shoved down our throats. Meanwhile we have ZERO options for replacing oil so we are going to need to handle this for another 30 years at the inside. Maybe. Maybe by the time I retire at 70 we might be transitioned from oil. Again, mass transit provides a lot of answers but labor and the dems will never get there. President wasting time watching baseball up in Chicago. You guys thought Bush stunk but this is just unforgivable. At the least he should be figuring out who is in charge down in the gulf instead of myriad of people calling the coast guard and continually retasking people. Obama is such a total empty fing suit spitting out inaccurate leftist dogma.

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer – Sun Jun 20, 12:02 am ET

WASHINGTON – The panel appointed by President Barack Obama to investigate the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is short on technical expertise but long on talking publicly about “America’s addiction to oil.” One member has blogged about it regularly.

Only one of the seven commissioners, the dean of Harvard’s engineering and applied sciences school, has a prominent engineering background — but it’s in optics and physics. Another is an environmental scientist with expertise in coastal areas and the after-effects of oil spills. Both are praised by other scientists.

The five other commissioners are experts in policy and management.

The White House said the commission will focus on the government’s “too cozy” relationship with the oil industry. A presidential spokesman said panel members will “consult the best minds and subject matter experts” as they do their work.

Iraj Ersahaghi, who heads the petroleum engineering program the University of Southern California, reviewed the names of oil spill commissioners and asked, “What do they know about petroleum?”

Ersahaghi said the panel needed to include someone like Bob Bea, a prominent petroleum engineering professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who’s an expert in offshore drilling and the management causes of manmade disasters.

As a contrast here are some of the people associated with the widely hated Bush presidency that might actually help. God this is hard to watch. This admin is getting into a special category of stupid now.

Bea, who’s conducting his own investigation into the spill, told The Associated Press that his 66-member expert group will serve as a consultant to the commission, at the request of the panel’s co-chairman, William K. Reilly, Environmental Protection Agency chief under President George H.W. Bush.

Comment by palmetto
2010-06-20 07:20:29

“You guys thought Bush stunk but this is just unforgivable.”

Yes, I thought Bush stunk and I still do. But Bammy takes the cake for sure. Mort Zuckerman has an editorial that completely sums up the empty suit “The World Sees Obama as Incompetent and Amateur”. I will try to find it and post it. Of course, Zuckerman has an agenda, but he still speaks sooth.

The Obama administration is basically theater of the absurd to the max. It’s almost too surreal to be believed. Take the Arizona situation, for example. Severe dereliction of duty regarding the border. So the state tries to take measures to protect itself and its citizens and what happens? Instead of saying “oops, maybe we should fix the situation so they don’t have to go to these lengths”, they let the raddled old sow who laughingly passes for Secretary of State make an announcement in Ecuador that the DOJ will sue Az. Not to mention they warn US citizens away from some of their own national park lands in southern AZ because it’s a major corridor for drug and human trafficking. Heck, we just CAN’T HAVE the citizens interfering with criminal enterprise.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-06-20 07:37:50

Yes, and we’ve taken the first step toward ceding that park land to Mexico. It’s really going to be tough for the U.S. to recover from four years of this administration.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-20 10:02:51

I wrote off the southwest years ago. It’s only a question of time until California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas are returned to Mexico.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-20 19:04:30

Texas? Yeah, there’s a lot of illegals here, but cede it back? That will never happen. :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 07:56:31

You are going to rile an army of true believers in The Messiah into flaming you if you are not careful…

Comment by palmetto
2010-06-20 08:16:10

Actually, I don’t blame Obama as much as I seem to. It’s his support staff, like Rahm, that really deserve a good drubbing. Any delusion that Obama was or is in charge of anything ought to be long gone by now. Heck, I think even he knows he’s not really in charge of anything, hence the reason for his lack of action, inability, whatever.

About a year ago or so, something like 8-12 million bucks went missing from a subsidized housing fund here in the county. Or it couldn’t be accounted for, etc. Anyway, the guy who headed up the department was just unmercifully hounded by the local press. It became obvious that he was not a bad person, just way in way over his head and had been given the job sort of as a figurehead. I think he more or less expected that his troops would do all the heavy lifting. But they didn’t, I think it was a case of resentment expressed through wilful neglect.

Anyway, when the guy finally realized that, like it or not, he was ultimately responsible for the department, the poor chap literally broke down sobbing on camera. It was painful to watch. He was really guilty of nothing more than not knowing he was supposed to do something.

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Comment by palmetto
2010-06-20 08:30:22

Anyway, my point, and I do have one, is that Obama is way in over his head, probably knew it going in, thought he could rely on his support staff to do the heavy lifting, and is getting the arse cut out from under him by what he considers “his own”. The long knives are out.

 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 08:49:14

Don’t blame Obama. Blame the voters.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 08:51:44

“I don’t blame Obama as much as I seem to.”

I didn’t take it that way. My point is that the Annointed One has been built up into such a colossal Godlike figure by His True Believers™ that any glimpse of his human frailties is bound to disappoint.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-20 09:43:06

the Annointed One has been built up into such a colossal Godlike figure by His True Believers™ that any glimpse of his human frailties is bound to disappoint.

The messiah crap comes from the right, and pretty much only the right. Otherwise, show me some examples of Obama’s supporters perceiving him as godlike. Let’s see some actual examples. I call BS.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-20 10:04:44

If anything, I perceive that Obama supporters are disappointed with him. He failed to deliver national health, he’s in Wall St’s back pocket etc.

 
Comment by wittbelle
2010-06-20 10:34:36

Anyone who was elected in 2008 would have been in over their heads. I would have personally liked to see McCain and Palin try and clean up the republican mess, just for laughs, but I truly don’t think they would have done a better job. The situation is dire and amicable solutions are nil. That being said, the concerts, the sporting events, the balls, the whole charade of the presidency makes me wretch. B.O. really appears to be oblivious to the disastrous state of this country. Perhaps, as some have suggested, he’s “putting on a happy face”, so people don’t go into panic mode and start rioting and running on banks, but it’s disheartening to me to know that he is as competent and no more incompetent as anyone else who would ever get elected. “Assume crash positions!”

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-06-20 10:37:35

Well, Chris Matthews got a tingle down his leg. But since he wasn’t paralyzed, I guess it wasn’t a sign he was going to arise and walk.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-06-20 12:12:10

“The messiah crap comes from the right, and pretty much only the right. Otherwise, show me some examples of Obama’s supporters perceiving him as godlike. Let’s see some actual examples. I call BS.”

Exactly. Many that voted for him are among his harshest critics, based on what he has done or not done, not just because he isn’t a Republican.

There were no viable alternatives. And even if he were trying to do all of the right things, he would be blocked by the Republicans who would be allowed to do so by the spineless corporate Dems.

Even if all of the right things were being done, I don’t think it’s possible to have an outcome that most people would consider good, only less bad.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 15:32:07

“He failed to deliver national health, he’s in Wall St’s back pocket etc”.

I am never surprised at the stupidity of the voters, they are, tit for tat, just like they have been trained to be. All the while screwing themselves, but they feel good about it because they do over and over again.

The current clown-in-chief is a one term-er and will make Jima Carter look like one of our best.

 
Comment by James
2010-06-20 17:28:55

@alpha

I think you have those cult like posters of Obama looking purposely into the distance… oddly big brother like… in the tricolor scheme. They have hope or change on them.

Plenty of that worship-like stuff.

And no, I don’t think Palin/McCain was a good choice. I wanted Ron Paul… or for god’s sake anyone else. Nader. Fuck I dunno.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-20 18:47:07

So we’ve got Chris Matthew’s leg tingle (surely god doesn’t manifest in such a way), and campaign posters! I defy anyone to show me any campaign poster that doesn’t portray its subject in a somewhat worshipful manner.

I proclaim the ‘messiah’ label as being proven to be a right wing straw man. Next?

 
Comment by Dale
2010-06-20 18:47:23

“The messiah crap comes from the right, and pretty much only the right. Otherwise, show me some examples of Obama’s supporters perceiving him as godlike. Let’s see some actual examples. I call BS.”

Wasn’t it Oprah who originally referred to The Big O (for all the true believers) as “THE ONE” ??????

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-20 18:58:17

“Oprah Winfrey introduced one of her favorite people at what the NY Times called “the largest spectacle of the campaign cycle” - the Oprah for Barack Obama rally in Des Moines, Iowa. Winfrey said, “For the very first time in my life, I feel compelled to stand up and to speak out for the man who I believe has a new vision for America,” and told the audience of 15,000 said, “I am here to tell you, Iowa, he is the one. He is the one!” ‘

Wow. That proves it! Obama supporters consider him the messiah.

 
Comment by Dale
2010-06-20 19:26:52

Wow alpha, you are easier than I thought. Here is a clip on youtube for your viewing pleasure. Note the religious like fervor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYjyU25bW3Y&feature=PlayList&p=6385EB2B17E3BCA7&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=29

I’m sure there is more. this is just the first one I happened upon.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-06-20 19:49:54

The assumption that anyone that voted for Obama considered him the Messiah irritates me. The choice was Obama or McCain. When McCain chose Palin and she revealed herself to be a bubblehead, he lost any support from me.

He still might have pulled it off if the economy hadn’t tanked at the end of September. Then the choice became more of the same policies that got us into the mess or a possibility of a change in direction.

Some of that hoped for change has been stymied by politics, some is in progress, some will be made inevitable by circumstances, some will never come to fruition.

 
Comment by Dale
2010-06-20 22:32:15

Alpha, FYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYjyU25bW3Y&feature=PlayList&p=6385EB2B17E3BCA7&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=29

Footage from the Oprah Winfrey, Barack Obama rally in Columbia, South Carolina, Dec. 11, 2007

Note the religious like fervor!!!

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 08:47:53

Measton, Eco, oxide, excreted, Grizzly,…

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Comment by exeter
2010-06-20 16:42:25

“Measton, Eco, oxide, excreted, Grizzly,…”

And every single one of us living in that enormous, empty skull of yours…… rent-free.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-06-20 09:51:44

“You are going to rile an army of true believers in The Messiah into flaming you if you are not careful…”

“My” republican congressman just recently flamed Obama about his “role” in the BP incident.

Sensenbrenner slams Obama, BP
Congressman says oil spill response has been erratic, pin blame later.

What old hardcore Jim conveniently failed to mention while flaming Obama and the dems…

Sensenbrenner, who owns 3,604 shares of BP stock, previously had stayed quiet about the oil spill - much like other Republican proponents of offshore oil drilling. A multimillionaire who reports his net worth at $9.9 million, Sensenbrenner has seen the value of his stock fall from roughly $206,000 earlier this year to $118,000 by Thursday.

The top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, Sensenbrenner also is questioning the administration’s criminal probe into the spill, saying the investigation won’t help stop the leak.”

Plug that damned leak Jim, you’re losing money !!

:)

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Comment by SDGreg
2010-06-20 12:15:45

He should be happy with the $20B escrow fund that Obama helped broker because that helped to stabilize the BP stock price. He should blame himself for not being a more prudent investor rather than a know-nothing blowhard.

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-06-20 07:57:35

As a Ron Paul supporter, all I can manage is a rueful laugh. Obama was anointed by the MSM, which meant their corporate cartel masters and the Republicrats’ Wall Street wire-pullers knew he would be most servile when it came to advancing their corporate statist agenda - although McCrazy was probably the odds-on favorite of the military-industrial powerhouse.

Obama’s election was necessary. American voters have been blindly pulling the lever for one Establishment Tweedle Dee over another Establishment Tweedle Dum for decades, and now the chickens are coming home to roost. Until the sheeple get to fully experience the full consequences of their poor choices and willful blindness, no meaningful change is possible.

Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 08:50:55

Obama was anointed by the voters. the voters are responsible for “O” being in office.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-06-20 16:33:31

Like Pavlov’s dogs, the voters mindlessly pull the lever for which corporate-approved Pepsi or Coke “choice” is put forward for their “selection.” The One was elected by the sheeple only after he had been vetted and approved by the Establishment. Though ultimately the voters are indeed responsible for the outcome of any election and shouldn’t snivel at consequences that were completely predictable.

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 09:10:29

this was Ayn Rand’s reason for voting against Reagan in 1980. Probably Alad’s reason for voting for BO in 2008. hopeful to vote for the worst in order to get the voters to see the outcome of the direction they are going.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-20 09:55:23

Maybe their wiser subconscious overruled their tiny intellect.

 
 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2010-06-20 12:09:25

Did you mean to write “rattled old sow”?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 12:18:46

“rattled”

Or addled?

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Comment by palmetto
2010-06-20 15:54:25

I meant to write “raddled”. Google the def. It fits.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 07:07:20

This comes as a complete shock.

China says no major change expected in exchange rate following move toward greater flexibility June 20, 2010,

BEIJING (AP) — China’s central bank said Sunday it would maintain a stable exchange rate and didn’t anticipate major changes in the value of the yuan, a day after saying it would manage the currency more flexibly.

In a commentary on Saturday’s announcement, the People’s Bank of China attempted to assuage fears of a major strengthening of the yuan, also known as the renminbi, or “people’s money.”

“There is at present no basis for major fluctuation or change in the renminbi exchange rate,” the bank said on its website.

Comment by james
2010-06-20 07:28:05

It is entirely possible that China is up to the gills with massive amounts of credit as well.

Wonder if there will be deflation there as well.

Total Planetary Clusterfluck!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 07:23:36

Home Sales Probably Waned After Credit: U.S. Economy Preview

(Bloomberg) — The housing market began to retrench in May after a government incentive ended, leaving manufacturing at the head of the U.S. recovery, economists said reports this week will show.

Sales of new homes fell 19 percent to a 410,000 annual pace last month, according to the median estimate of 57 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News before a Commerce Department report June 23. Orders for durable goods may show gains in business investment and overseas sales boosted demand for capital equipment like computers and machinery.

“We got the run-up in housing activity and there’ll be a pretty big payback now that the tax credit has expired,” said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at Pierpont Securities LLC in Stamford, Connecticut. “The strongest sector of the economy right now is manufacturing.”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 07:29:33

“We got the run-up in housing activity and there’ll be a pretty big payback now that the tax credit has expired,”

Got popcorn?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 07:28:31

Bernanke used to often speak to the need for greater transparency in the banking sector. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. I hope the good GAO auditors don’t neglect to ask the Fed about their possible role in artificially inflating the price of stock and housing market assets, as price fixing is illegal according to the Sherman Antitrust Act.

Lawmakers agree to expand audit of Federal Reserve

By Brady Dennis
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 17, 2010

Lawmakers on Wednesday reached a compromise to allow expanded audits of the Federal Reserve, part of an effort to shine light on the central bank’s emergency lending during the financial crisis while safeguarding its independence in setting monetary policy.

In another marathon session to hash out differences over sweeping new financial regulations, members of a House-Senate conference committee agreed to grant the Government Accountability Office broad authority to examine the operations of the Fed and to require additional disclosures from the central bank.

The compromise expands on language from the Senate bill that would grant the GAO authority to audit the Fed’s massive emergency lending programs and compel the agency to release details about the firms that benefited from those programs during the crisis.

The new language broadens those audits to include the Fed’s discount window and its purchases and sales of government securities, requiring the central bank to disclose details about such transactions within two years after they occur. “The Fed is going to be a lot more transparent,” said Rep. Melvin Watt (D-N.C.).

House Democrats blocked an attempt by GOP colleagues to revive a more aggressive approach by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.), which won wide support in the House last fall and would have opened the Fed to extensive audits, including on its decision-making regarding monetary policy.

A full audit of the Federal Reserve System,” said Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.), who offered Paul’s language as an amendment, “is the only way to assure the necessary level of transparency to protect taxpayer dollars and ensure accountability at an institution that has unfettered powers and whose colossal errors of judgment were a crucial cause of the crisis.

Comment by neuromance
2010-06-20 19:21:55

Those who work at the Fed are saintly, selfless and beyond reproach. They don’t suffer from normal human foibles like trying to improve one’s personal situation or those of friends. There’s something magical about the Fed, beyond the understanding of mere mortals. A ruthless Goldman Sachs exec on the outside, is transformed into a saintly, selfless elite on the inside. No need to examine the workings of the Fed.

And besides, any questioning of their position or work will cause a worldwide depression.

;)

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 08:10:46

Happy Father’s Day to all who enjoy the rewards of parenting and condolences to those who face the daunting prospect of finding affordable housing that is suitable for rearing a family.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 08:26:06

It seems like there are many different potential ways to estimate ’shadow inventory.’ For instance, DeKaser below suggest there are 1m homes in this category, but I read and posted an article a couple of days back suggesting there are 1m homes in California alone with mortgages in default — i.e., the owner has stopped paying the mortgage entirely. Shouldn’t these be included in the shadow inventory count, as presumably the lender will eventually have to kick out the rent-free-living occupant and put the home back on the market as REO?

By Hao Li | June 18, 2010 4:47 PM EDT
Shadow inventory to put pressure on home prices

Properties emerging from foreclosures that are likely to be reintroduced to the housing market, or “shadow inventory,” will put downward pressure on real estate prices for the next few years.

Richard DeKaser, president of Woodley Park Research in Washington, explained that foreclosed properties go back to the lenders, who can then have the choice of selling them back to the market.

The lenders are managing this reintroduction of foreclosed properties “judiciously,” said DeKaser.

“[Lenders] are not dumping them as quickly as they come in. They are trying to move the properties in a manner that maximizes value.”

Many lenders are attempting to realize rental income from foreclosed properties while they wait for prices to rebound. As soon as prices do rise, lenders sell their properties.

Thus, DeKaser expects this glut of inventories – ready to be unloaded whenever prices rise – to prevent real estate prices from meaningfully appreciating over the next few years.

DeKaser – using data from the Mortgage Bankers Association and the Commerce Department – roughly estimates the current backlog of inventories at 1 million units. This figure could potentially increase in the near future if new foreclosures pile up faster than expected.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 08:28:27

Here’s one for those of you on the DC tour to ponder:

Delinquencies, foreclosures cast three-year shadow over market
By: David Sherfinski
Examiner Staff Writer

June 20, 2010

It will take nearly three years for the Washington area’s pent-up delinquent and foreclosed properties to clear, according to a recent report, casting a pall over the region’s housing market.

The area’s 34.2 months of inventory is in line with the national average, said the report from Standard & Poor’s. The New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island market had the highest inventory level, at 103.1 months.

Analysts have kept a close eye on the so-called “shadow” housing market, which is comprised of homes that are delinquent or in foreclosure but have not been put on the market.If banks or lenders release them too soon, home prices could crash; if they hold on to them too long, supply could dry up. A standard level of inventory is about 19 or 20 months.

“The longer the overhang … the longer it is until the market returns” to a healthy level, said Diane Westerback, managing director of Global Surveillance Analytics for Standard & Poor’s.

The area’s 34-month inventory is up about 22 percent from six months ago and about 36 percent from a year ago, but is still well off its high of nearly 60 months about a year and a half ago, the report said.

The report defines “shadow inventory” as properties that are, or were recently, 90 days or more delinquent on mortgage payments, in foreclosure, or real estate owned that are not yet on the market.

“It’s hard to say exactly how these things get liquidated,” she said. “Inevitably they’re going to get spread out a bit.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Delinquencies_-foreclosures-cast-three-year-shadow-over-market-96690969.html#ixzz0rPJzD0DN

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 08:32:37

“If the president Fed does it, that means it’s not illegal,”

Bulging Inventory Signals Next Leg Down In Housing
Tuesday, 15 June 2010 11:11
Written by Mike Whitney

Did the Federal Reserve collude with the big banks to hold millions of houses off the market until the Fed finished adding $1.25 trillion to the banks reserves? Did the Fed do this to make it appear that its bond purchasing plan (quantitative easing) was stabilizing prices when, in fact, it was the reduction in supply that stopped prices from plunging? It sure looks that way. This is from Bloomberg News:

“U.S. home foreclosures reached a record for the second consecutive month in May, with increases in every state, as lenders stepped up property seizures, according to RealtyTrac.Inc.

Bank repossessions climbed 44 percent from May 2009 to 93,777, the Irvine, California-based data company said today in a statement. Foreclosure filings, including default and auction notices, rose about 1 percent to 322,920. One out of every 400 U.S. households received a filing.” (Bloomberg)

Inventory steadily declined during the period the Fed was exchanging cash-for-trash (toxic assets and non performing loans for reserves) with the banks. Now inventories have begun to rise again as the banks get back to business as usual, in other words, throwing people out of their homes. The sudden uptick in repossessions and property seizures coincides perfectly with the ending of the Fed’s giant “no bankster left behind” program. Clearly, there must have been a quid pro quo.

What’s so impressive about Bernanke’s trillion dollar sleight-of-hand operation; is its utter simplicity. We’re just talking “supply and demand” here, not rocket science. The banks agreed to cut supply (by temporarily stockpiling homes) while the Fed loaded them up with a cold trillion-plus in reserves. Meanwhile, John Q. Public assumed (incorrectly) that Bernanke’s program helped to stabilize prices. It’s a very ingenious deception worthy of a professional conman.

Readers may remember that quantitative easing (QE) was promoted as a way to increase lending to consumers and to keep interest rates on mortgages low. But that was all just public relations hype. Consumer lending contracted in the last year while interest rates on the 30-year mortgage have fallen since Bernanke’s QE program ended at the end of March.

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Comment by josemanolo
2010-06-20 12:01:38

it looks like bernanke was snookered by the bankster

 
Comment by rms
2010-06-20 12:59:30

“Today about 17.2% of homeowners are underwater. But if home prices drop 10% from here, 27% of homeowners would go underwater. In other words, a 10% drop in home prices would cause a 56% increase in the number of people underwater…which would almost certainly lead to another surge in defaults.”

Another 10% drop in home prices is “baked-in” if one looks at the stretch between median household incomes and home prices.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 08:40:23

Mortgages and the state of nature

David Wessel had a good column this week on the role government supports play in creating our culture of homeownership. In particular, he points out the economic absurdity of the 30-year, fixed-rate, no prepayment-penalty mortgage, which Raj Date once memorably described to me as a loan that “does not flourish in the state of nature.”

In about the clearest description I’ve read of the 30-year fixed rate, Wessel quotes Patrick Lawler, chief economist of the agency that regulates Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying that “people who take a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage are buying a two-fer: a loan plus the right to prepay without penalty. You might call it a derivative that protects the borrower. Rates fall, you refinance; rates rise, you don’t pay ‘em.” The only reason these mortgages survive is that the government subsidizes them.

The question, as always, is why we do that, and whether we should continue. Homeownership is supposed to promote a lot of civic virtues like caring for your property and voting in local elections. But there’s a correlation/causation problem there: Because we support homeownership so heavily, people who are going to be in one place for a while strain to own homes. If we had a culture of long-term renting, as many other countries (and many cities) do, you’d see more of those behaviors, which speak to being rooted in a place, in renters.

Comment by ProperBostonian
2010-06-20 13:35:54

“Homeownership is supposed to promote a lot of civic virtues like caring for your property and voting in local elections.”

Government promoted homeownership for these reasons, but research has recently found that all the virtues they thought were related to homeownership were actually related to stable and rising incomes. The homeownership was just a side effect. People with stable and rising incomes then tended to buy homes. There are many people here in Cambridge, MA that have rented for over 30 years. They tend to be just as or more involved in the community than “homeowners.”

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 09:26:37

The year when the average voter realizes Pogo’s saying, “We have met the enemy and the enemy is us,” is the year we start shrinking government.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-20 09:59:33

As long as there are those who believe they can game the system that won’t happen.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 16:04:40

The Truly-Delusional can’t help themselves, they need to be told what to do and held close in the bosom of big gubmint, or they may pee&poop their pants.

Comment by exeter
2010-06-20 16:47:13

I presume that to mean the Palinite Know-Nothings.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 18:36:06

But you do not presume the Howard Dean whipporwills because you are a partisan. You don’t convince any of us Excreter because you are ONE SIDED. That means full of hot air like Ted Kennedy was.

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Comment by exeter
2010-06-20 18:58:24

You really need to sharpen your wit skills Bile.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-20 20:24:56

It takes a mouth to say that Palin and GWB and McSame are idiots. It takes a wise man to say that not only the above are idiots, but so are Biden, Coward Dean, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Charles Schumer, Christopher Dodd, Ben Bernanke, and Barney Frank.

If you cannot criticize the other side, no one will believe you. You can preach only to your small choir of Measton, Oxide, Grizzly, and Eco. In fact, you are all the same peas in a pod. Drivel. No one believes you because you cannot say bad about the obvious.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-06-21 02:40:39

Wrong again. We have credibility here. You don’t nor have you ever.

Nice try though.

 
 
 
 
 
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Comment by BottomFisher
2010-06-20 20:22:40

Maybe someone tossed a cigarette butt out the window when they were leaving Flagstaff. Does Ben smoke?

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-06-20 12:16:10

TORONTO – Canada thinks it can teach the world a thing or two about dodging financial meltdowns.

The 20 world leaders at an economic summit in Toronto next weekend will find themselves in a country that has avoided a banking crisis ****

The land of a thousand stereotypes — from Mounties and ice hockey to language wars and lousy weather — is feeling entitled to do a bit of crowing as it hosts the G-20 summit of wealthy and developing nations.

“We should be proud of the performance of our financial system during the crisis,” said Finance Minister Jim Flaherty in an interview with The Associated Press.

He recalled visiting China in 2007 and hearing suggestions “that the Canadian banks were perhaps boring and too risk-adverse. And when I was there two weeks ago some of my same counterparts were saying to me, ‘You have a very solid, stable banking system in Canada,’ and emphasizing that. There wasn’t anything about being sufficiently risk-oriented.”

The banks are stable because, in part, they’re more regulated. As the U.S. and Europe loosened regulations on their financial industries over the last 15 years, Canada refused to do so. The banks also aren’t as leveraged as their U.S. or European peers.

There was no mortgage meltdown or subprime crisis in Canada. Banks don’t package mortgages and sell them to the private market, so they need to be sure their borrowers can pay back the loans.

Comment by SDGreg
2010-06-20 14:41:18

“Banks don’t package mortgages and sell them to the private market, so they need to be sure their borrowers can pay back the loans.”

Maybe, but wasn’t it just recently if still not the case that buyers in Vancouver and perhaps other places where people were taking out loans that were 8 to 10 times income? Isn’t that inherently risky? There are few places where economies or wages are growing fast enough to accommodate that level of debt.

Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 15:23:46

“Maybe, but wasn’t it just recently if still not the case that buyers in Vancouver and perhaps other places where people were taking out loans that were 8 to 10 times income? Isn’t that inherently risky”?

Yes, but you have to remember it’s different there, they have “it” figured out.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-20 12:26:51

I just had a look at some San Diego MLS data I downloaded from RedFin (it’s pretty much there for the taking if you want to mess around with it).

A few details:

Number of homes for sale (barring miscounts) = 11,547

Average list price = $833,371

Aggregate value of currently-listed homes by list price (aka prospective sellers’ wishing prices) = $9.6 billion

Density of more than 1 home per $100 of list price variation on the range from $175-$600K

Greatest concentration of homes for sale (SFRs + condos) is on the range from $275K-$300K (586 homes listed over a $25K range, or 2.344 homes per $100 range in home price)

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-06-20 12:31:21

In talking with a co-worker Thursday night, he mentioned he’d gone to an open house for a building with converted condos in the area west of Balboa Park (out of general interest, not to buy). The asking price for a 2 bedroom 1100sf unit was $530k, probably not too different from what might have been asked during the peak of the bubble. The agent at the open house said lots of agents had been by (no mention of potential buyers). I asked my coworker what something like that might rent for in that area. He wasn’t sure, but he thought about $1700 to $2000 a month.

For purposes of comparison, he’s in a nearby several story building with condos built as condos. His unit’s larger and recently appraised at $399k though there are no recent comps. A bank owned unit similar to his on a lower floor is expected to soon be listed at between $375-$400k.

It seems that all that happened in the past year is that the brief increase in sales resulted in some delayed projects finally being completed and offered at nearly peak bubble prices. This still has a long way to go as there is no perceptible improvement in the overall economy. I see more large pickup trucks (construction workers completing more soon to be vacant and surplus housing?), but overall traffic levels appear little different from last year and still down sharply from a few years ago.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-06-20 12:43:54

For those that sometimes listen to the weekly broadcast on financial sense dot com, the interview with Bob Prechter yesterday was quite interesting. His forecast is for a bottom around 2016, with despair setting in around 2013. There are some similarities to the second leg down in the 1930’s, but what’s projected during the next 6 years looks like it could be more crushing. If it plays out as he is forecasting, I would be shocked if every last vestige of bubble pricing wasn’t crushed, totally crushed.

I definitely wouldn’t want to be buying now even if I could afford it. Let the dust settle, then see which places are still habitable.

 
Comment by B. Durbin
2010-06-20 13:57:42

My sister and her family purchased a house in Novato, CA last year. It’s a very nice house, a significant upgrade from their previous 3/2, and it backs on to a mini-ravine and public lands.

Maybe her house is too nice. Twice in the last few months her house has been listed for sale on Zillow*, even though it isn’t. Inquiry into why it was listed pulled up a real estate agent whose site said, “This house is no longer available, but you might like…”

As you can imagine, my sister is less than pleased by this. Is there any law out there that disallows use of privately held properties as come-ons? She doesn’t want speculative buyers scoping out her property.

*She works for a company that helped put the site together on a contract basis, so she has job-related reasons to keep tabs on it.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 15:12:07

Good to see they’re “on it” with the very best. Go team Dumbo!

Obama spill panel big on policy, not engineering.

WASHINGTON (AP) – The panel appointed by President Barack Obama to investigate the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is short on technical expertise but long on talking publicly about “America’s addiction to oil.” One member has blogged about it regularly.

Only one of the seven commissioners, the dean of Harvard’s engineering and applied sciences school, has a prominent engineering background — but it’s in optics and physics. Another is an environmental scientist with expertise in coastal areas and the after-effects of oil spills. Both are praised by other scientists.

The five other commissioners are experts in policy and management.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 15:39:21

Hey, any of you in the oil gusher affected areas in the gulf, should start boxing and selling “Pet Tar Balls” as a fund raiser.

It could surpass the Pet Rock. This mess is no where near under control, it will take many months, so get busy there’s money to be made.

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-20 17:22:43

They could be called “Tar Babies” and could be marketed like Beanie Babys were.

Comment by Dale
2010-06-20 19:08:54

Chirp…..Chirp…….Chirp……..

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 15:44:43

See how smart NY is! Just raise taxes, everyone knows smoking is bad for you, but the NY gubmint sees money in it. The good news is that this genius move will not create a black market. Smokers will gladly except the tax, and puff on to save the state.

New York State Government
Cigarette Tax Will Mean $10 Packs

Almost $11 for a pack of cigarettes? It might soon become a very real reality in many stores in New York City.

The cigarette tax in New York would jump $1.60 a pack under a tentative deal struck between Governor David Paterson and state government leaders.

The proposal is part of an emergency budget bill which is due for a vote on Monday.

In the city, which levies steep taxes of its own on tobacco products, a pack of cigarettes would come with a tax of $5.85, making it the nation’s first city to break $5.

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-20 17:20:24

Once a black market is established for one product then it is easy for it to be modified to handle other products.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-20 16:10:47

South African doctor invents female condoms with ‘teeth’ to fight rape

(CNN) — South African Dr. Sonnet Ehlers was on call one night four decades ago when a devastated rape victim walked in. Her eyes were lifeless; she was like a breathing corpse.

“She looked at me and said, ‘If only had teeth down there,’” recalled Ehlers, who was a 20-year-old medical researcher at the time. “I promised her I’d do something to help people like her one day.”

Forty years later, Rape-aXe was born.

Ehlers is distributing the female condoms in the various South African cities where the World Cup soccer games are taking place.

The woman inserts the latex condom like a tampon. Jagged rows of teeth-like hooks line its inside and attach on a man’s penis during penetration, Ehlers said.

Once it lodges, only a doctor can remove it — a procedure Ehlers hopes will be done with authorities on standby to make an arrest.

“It hurts, he cannot pee and walk when it’s on,” she said. “If he tries to remove it, it will clasp even tighter… however, it doesn’t break the skin, and there’s no danger of fluid exposure.”

Ehlers said she sold her house and car to launch the project, and she planned to distribute 30,000 free devices under supervision during the World Cup period.

“I consulted engineers, gynecologists and psychologists to help in the design and make sure it was safe,” she said.

Comment by 2banana
2010-06-20 17:37:56

why not just buy a gun instead?

(in places that still have the freedom to buy a gun)

 
 
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