June 21, 2010

What Works With No Money In California

The Fresno Bee reports from California. “The Fresno Association of Realtors examined the sales and mortgage history of 1,305 notices of trustee sales from the last three years to find out what caused foreclosures in Fresno and where the foreclosure market stands today. More than half of the homeowners who lost their houses to foreclosure in the past three years refinanced their loans or borrowed cash against their equity. On average, properties lost to foreclosure were refinanced at least twice. Many homes purchased between 2002 and 2003 went up in value, said Justus Martin, the association’s MLS operations manager. Then homeowners decided to borrow money against their rising equity to make other purchases, such as a car or boat.”

“When home values fell, homeowners realized they owed more than their homes were worth and had taken out more than they could afford. ‘It’s always greed in this industry,’ said Doug Lanier, client relations manager at a Fresno mortgage company. ‘Greed from the investors all the way down to the homebuyer.’”

The Santa Cruz Sentinel. “The housing market sprang to life in May, with 160 single-family homes changing hands, the most in that month since 2006. Still, it’s nothing like the boom years when sales in May topped 200. The median price, the midpoint for what sold, was $535,000, down from $553,000 in April. Last year it was $425,000; two years ago, it was $610,000.”

“Distressed property remains significant in Watsonville, which has borne the brunt of foreclosures. Of 23 active listings in South County, 12 are short sales and six are bank-owned, said Stephen Pearson of Century 21 Classic, noting ’some improvement’ in the time it takes to close a short sale by some banks. ‘Short sales will be a part of the market for the foreseeable future,’ predicted Robert Bailey of Bailey Properties, noting they allow homeowners in trouble to sell, albeit without equity, salvaging their credit and their pride.”

“He said part of the short sale delay is the time it takes the homeowner to ‘come to emotional reality’ and get counsel from an attorney and tax advisor.”

The North County Times. “After six weeks, a California tax credit for some homebuyers has almost run dry, the Franchise Tax Board said Thursday. Real estate agents contacted Thursday offered a mixed message on whether the tax credit mattered to their buyers —- some complained that it had been badly publicized. But all seemed to be prepared for its imminent demise, after Robert Kleinhenz, an economist for the California Association of Realtors, predicted the fund wouldn’t even survive until the end of May.”

“Murrieta real estate agent Marjo Wood said the tax credit has definitely goosed her sales, but she added that there are limits to the amount of help the government can provide. ‘I do believe it’s affected people’s decision over whether they were going to buy or not,’ she said. ‘It’s unfortunate that it’s ending, but I understand why it’s happening, because there is no funding for it.’”

The Union Tribune. “Foreclosure filings and notices of default fell dramatically last month in San Diego County, but analysts did not see this as evidence of less distress in the housing market. Sean O’Toole, CEO of ForeclosureRadar, said lenders seem to be timing their actions to coincide with changing economic conditions. Earlier this year, he noted, foreclosures and defaults increased as the stock market improved and home sales and prices stabilized. But in recent weeks, as those markets have faltered, distress actions have fallen back. ‘I don’t believe in conspiracies, but at some point it becomes a sensible strategy to manage the books,’ O’Toole said.”

“He and other economists doubt that short sales and loan modifications will solve most homeowners’ problems, which are exacerbated by the sluggish economy and lower home values that make refinancing all but impossible. ‘We’ve got an awful lot in the pipeline and at this pace, it’s going to take years to work through this,’ he said. ‘It’s a question of do you rip off the Band-Aid fast and have a sharp sting or rip it off really, really slowly.’”

“The Mortgage Bankers Association put California’s first-quarter delinquencies at 10.9 percent of all homes with mortgages last month, down from 11.3 percent in the fourth quarter. But that still leaves some 1 million homeowners in California who are not making their payments, O’Toole said. ‘If you were to foreclose on those folks en masse, it would certainly create panic and fear,’ he said.”

The Orange County Register. “Veteran Orange County apartment owner and manager Ray Maggi says this the current rental market ‘is the worst I’ve ever seen’ for landlords. Maggi, a past president of the Apartment Association of Orange County, says in his three decades in the rental game hasn’t seen as harsh a mix of falling rents, empty apartments and rising costs. ‘Contrary to popular belief, we don’t make money with 90% occupancy,’ he says of current historically high counts of empty units across the county that run roughly at 10 percent vacancy.”

“Maggi notes a 96-unit complex he’s owned in Buena Park since 1978 as a good market gauge. Before this slump, he never started a month at this complex with more than 10 vacancies — and now he’s got 14. ‘Lots of hard times,’ he says explaining why it’s so hard to fill up apartments.”

“The U.S. Attorney’s office announced a series of mortgage fraud cases in Southern California as part of an ongoing nationwide crackdown against ‘corrupt real estate professionals, bank employees who help facilitate fraud and those who prey upon distressed homeowners,’ as well as borrowers and so-called ’straw” borrowers.”

“From United States Attorney André Birotte Jr.: ‘Over time, we have seen repeated spikes of fraud targeting financial institutions. Over the last decade, we saw one of those spikes as mortgage fraud blossomed with the housing bubble. When the bubble burst, in part because of fraud permeating the system, the effects were felt around the world. We are now sorting the through the wreckage to identify and prosecute the most egregious offenders.”’

The LA Daily News. “Father John Lasseigne says he’s on a holy mission to save not only the souls of his parishioners in Pacoima, but their homes as well. That mission is a $1 million city pilot program aimed at helping troubled homeowners in the Northeast San Fernando Valley where one out of every nine homes is in foreclosure.”

“The money will be used to coax lenders to write down loan balances and answer the prayers of homeowners who owe far more on their houses than they’re worth. ‘It’s the Holy Grail of our foreclosure prevention loan modification program,’ says Lasseigne, of Mary Immaculate Church in Pacoima.”

“Thirty Northeast Valley homeowners will get no-interest loans from the city Community Redevelopment Agency that will be paid directly to lenders who have agreed to reduce the mortgage principal to current market value. But it has not been a slam-dunk achievement. ‘The biggest impediment was that banks don’t want to do principal reduction,’ said Yvonne Mariajimenez, deputy director of Neighborhood Legal Services, which was involved in negotiating the deal with lenders.”

“Lasseigne arrived in Pacoima two years ago to discover his parishioners in the jaws of a foreclosure crisis. ‘We began calling upon our parishioners (to see) if they were at risk of losing their homes,’ recalled Lasseigne. ‘Hundreds of them came forward. We began interviewing them. We learned how they had been taken advantage of by the banks: Given false information, information in language they couldn’t understand, not qualified for the loans that they badly wanted but they really weren’t qualified for.’”

The Bakersfield Californian. “Bakersfield real estate broker associate Michelle Overstreet had a rude awakening after launching her real estate career 16 years ago. A field she thought would be immediately lucrative and give her more free time turned out to be more time consuming than she anticipated, and it was six months before she earned her first commission. We talked to her about her new book, and about the real estate market in general.”

“Q: About half of mortgaged homes in Bakersfield are upside down on their loans. That means a sizeable number of homeowners can’t get out of their houses unless they do a short sale. What effect is that having on agents? A: There are not enough experienced Realtors with knowledge of short sales, and that can leave the selling Realtor and his or her buyer with a bad taste in their mouth. Especially the seller when his home is foreclosed because of the Realtor’s lack of knowledge.”

“Q: What’s your take on the possibility of a massive second wave of foreclosures? It’s been predicted for more than a year now but hasn’t materialized. A: Many homeowners were put into adjustable rate mortgages, or ARMs, and they may not be able to afford their homes when the rate goes up. There also are thousands of bank-owned homes in the Bakersfield area that are sitting vacant.”

“Q: So what will be the outcome of that? Will there be another big wave or will they continue to trickle out slowly? A: I think the banks have learned from the massive drop in values not to just let everything out at once. However, this can be seen as both good and bad. The good thing is that the lender has more control over values by keeping inventory low. The bad thing is that your typical buyer would like to live in a nice area where people are taking care of neighboring properties, and when the bank sits on a property before putting it on the market, the yard dies and the home just appears to be more run down, thus giving the appearance that the property will need more extensive work to bring it back to a manageable level.”

“Q: How good are banks and investors who fund mortgages about working with borrowers to either modify a loan or permit a short sale? Are they loosening up at all? A: The loan modification process is not what many homeowners think it is. It is a temporary reduction in payment with the balance of the loan being put on the back end. If the homeowner can make his mortgage payment, it is best to ride it out. Only if the homeowner has a ‘true hardship’ will the bank allow a homeowner to do a short sale. The Realtor listing a property must determine if the homeowner has a true hardship or if they are wasting everyone’s time.”

The Santa Maria Times. “In a milestone of sorts, the unemployment rate in Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties fell back below 10 percent in May, according to data from the state. For San Luis Obispo County, unemployment is at 9.5 percent — more than 1 percent up from a revised 8.4 percent in May 2009. The revised rate was 10.1 percent in April. The Santa Barbara County rate is the highest May total on record, according to Mark Schniepp, director of the Goleta-based California Economic Forecast Project.”

“Statewide, the unadjusted unemployment rate is 12.4 percent. Among Santa Barbara County cities, Lompoc leads the pack with 14.6-percent unemployment — 3,000 people out of work from a work force of 20,700. Guadalupe is not far behind with 14.1 percent, albeit from a much smaller labor force of 2,800 with 400 unemployed. In southern San Luis Obispo County, Oceano led the county with a reported 17.6 percent unemployment rate, with Nipomo at 12.6 percent.”

The Ventura County Star. “The financial outlook has taken a turn for the worse for Santa Paula, which is already hobbling through a severe budget crisis. The city has no redevelopment money left. At a time when sales taxes and property taxes are way down, the city has little ammunition to stimulate the local economy or boost development. ‘The Redevelopment Agency is dead on arrival,’ said Santa Paula Finance Director John Quinn. ‘The Redevelopment Agency is where you want to engage in economic development. We are just not funded.’”

“Grappling with a $19.1 billion budget shortfall, the state of California took more than $2 billion from redevelopment agencies statewide to help balance its budget. The state earlier this year took $770,000 from Santa Paula, leaving the city of about 30,000 residents nothing in redevelopment funds. The money is typically used by cities to expand businesses, create jobs, redevelop downtowns and neighborhoods and build affordable housing.”

“At a recent Santa Paula City Council meeting, a dejected Quinn asked the council, ‘What works with no money?’”

The Conta Costa Times. “Marin saw a rise in both the number of single-family home sales and the median price in May compared with last year, a real estate tracking firm reported. The overall median price in the Bay Area last month was $410,000. That was up 20.1 percent from $341,500 in May 2009.”

“‘For now, at least, we’re seeing a more normal mix of sales across the region and across price categories, thanks in large part to the state and federal tax credits coupled with incredibly low mortgage rates,’ said John Walsh, MDA DataQuick president. ‘In the second half of the year, there’s obviously going to be less wind in the market’s sails, given the fading tax credits.’”

The Marin Independent Journal. “When Floyd Fulmer moved to Novato at the end of February, his purchase of a single-family home capped a long, hard journey in personal finance. He had finally saved enough money to buy a house in a nice neighborhood. He picked a house on Clemente Court in the San Marin neighborhood near a large patch of undeveloped land owned by the Novato Unified School District.”

“Fulmer was alarmed to learn recently that the spot could be designated by the city for low-income, high-density housing - and he wasn’t the only one. Hundreds of residents packed a recent meeting on possible rezoning of that and properties throughout the city as local officials seek ways to meet state-imposed affordable housing quotas. ‘The primary selling point for my home was this open field, which added to the character of this neighborhood,’ Fulmer said. ‘I finally earned my way into a neighborhood like this through a lot of hard work, like a lot of other people here. With this rezoning, I’m just upset at the notion that some construction could go on here and could be incompatible with the character of the area.’”

“‘My concern is that the state government is taking away more and more of our local land-use decisions,’ Mayor Jeanne MacLeamy said. ‘The fact is that the state is broke, yet they still have the gall to tell us what to do with our property.’”

“MacLeamy cited the recent Wall Street meltdown as evidence that people should live within their means. ‘I think people should be able to live in the housing they can afford,’ she said. ‘If they need to rent for a while, so be it. We found through this financial crisis that an awful lot of people should have never bought anything in the first place. They couldn’t handle a mortgage.’”




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118 Comments »

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-21 05:55:57

“… at some point it becomes a sensible strategy to manage the books.”

“Manage the books”: A sign of our times.

Instead of bookkeepers businesses now need book managers.

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-21 06:12:39

With all this book managing going on an investor should pay particular attention to the footnotes located in the back of a company’s Annual Reports.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-06-21 06:25:15

“I don’t believe in conspiracies, but at some point it becomes a sensible strategy to manage the books.”

The executive class has demonstrated an ability to flexibly organize a de facto conspiracy based on move and counter move. On executive pay, for example.

Comment by mikey
2010-06-21 09:17:20

“I don’t believe in conspiracies, but at some point it becomes a sensible strategy to manage the books.”

Oh really, what planet do you reside on ?

:)

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-21 10:01:55

It is not clear from his remark whether O’Toole is talking about individual firms making creative book management decisions on their own, or top-down coordination of such activities. The answer appears to matter from a ‘conspiracy’ (or at least collusion) perspective.

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Comment by Big V
2010-06-21 18:47:38

“I don’t believe in conspiracies”. Do you believe in sandwiches? Seriously, people conspire every day, dude.

 
 
Comment by Rancher
2010-06-21 05:56:42

The coach is packed and we leave at 10 this morning
for a two month trip around the USA.

We’ll tell Ben if we see anything interesting or unusual in the housing market.

Comment by scdave
2010-06-21 09:09:34

Please post occasionally from your road trip if you can Rancher…Have a great time :)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-21 15:33:59

Be safe out there!

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-06-21 06:09:18

The LA Daily News. “Father John Lasseigne says he’s on a holy mission to save not only the souls of his parishioners in Pacoima, but their homes as well. That mission is a $1 million city pilot program aimed at helping troubled homeowners in the Northeast San Fernando Valley where one out of every nine homes is in foreclosure.”

The Bible is very specific on how to deal with money. Examples are:

Do NOT go in debt, pay off your debts (even after bankruptcy), live within your means, help others with your OWN money, etc. The Bible is actually a VERY good money and financial guide. And those with the most toys when they die definitely do NOT win.

There ain’t nothing in there on taking out massive home equity loans to buy toys and then begging the lender to write off what he lent you…

This Church should be teaching how these people should live their lives financially based on the Bible – not how to wiggle out of paying money back that you promised to pay. And which will be the long term solution???

Comment by In Montana
2010-06-21 06:30:51

lol, the church has constituents too, ya know…

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-06-21 09:00:13

You can find anything in the Bible, including contradictory teachings.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-21 12:19:08

Yes.

E.g. “Thou shallt not kill,” God-ordered hits notwithstanding to the contrary.

Comment by mikey
2010-06-21 14:01:47

“Thou shallt not kill,” God-ordered hits notwithstanding to the contrary.

Ut oh…mikey REPENTS…it was Bill and Cantankerous who said all those things God !!

:)

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-21 15:10:13

Luckily we have few thunderstorms out here in CA. (However, perhaps I should worry a bit more about earthquakes and fires going forward…)

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Montana
2010-06-21 09:36:40

I’m thinking the church councilors are pretty naive when it comes to assessing the FB’s stories.

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2010-06-21 09:57:54

My husband and I were actually told by a colleague’s wife that we should go to church and pray for a home.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-21 10:17:02

And to think that I was taught that you’re not supposed to be asking God for material blessings for yourself. You’re supposed to be praying for others.

Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2010-06-21 19:31:30

Oh Lord, I heloced my house for a Mercedes Benz
My friends all heloced their McMansions so that they could drive Porsches
I had to make amends
Worked hard all my life with no help from my friends
And now they are foreclosing my house and last week they repossessed my Mercedes Benz

(My apologies to Janis)

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-06-21 11:07:15

Wickedheart-
That doesn’t surprise me. My husband is an EE from the midwest, originally (College in So Ca and settled here). He says this God micro- manages your life, is a newer religious concept. Watered down reality, with a twist of just say, or just pray, facts be damnned. This is one reason organized religion isn’t my flavor.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-21 11:10:18

This is one reason organized religion isn’t my flavor.

Same here.

And, BTW, a local legislator spoke at a local skeptical inquiry group yesterday morn. Center for Inquiry’s the name. I happen to like this leg, so I wanted to hear what she had to say.

Well, the meeting started out with a “rules for living” slideshow projected onto a screen. A series of inspirational sayings kept looping. I was tempted to say something like, “And you thought church was preachy!” but I held my tongue.

The longer I sat in that meeting, the more I felt like I was in a secular church. And, with almost an hour left to go in the meeting, er, service, I left. Couldn’t take it anymore.

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Comment by MacAttack
2010-06-22 12:35:45

My former neighbors had a house built at the peak of the market. He did bath remodels for a local firm, she stayed home with the kids. The debt was $435K. As the house was being built, they covered the inside studs with Bible verses. Unfortunately, this did not help; they got stuck, listed it way too high, and lost the place to the bank. Sigh.

 
 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-06-21 12:27:52

I’m still waiting for Jubilee years.

(probably right after I become an astronaut )

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-06-21 06:15:09

How good are banks and investors who fund mortgages about working with borrowers to either modify a loan or permit a short sale? Are they loosening up at all? A: The loan modification process is not what many homeowners think it is. It is a temporary reduction in payment with the balance of the loan being put on the back end.

A realtor speaks the truth. Banks are going to get their money on the front end and the bank end. There is no free lunch.

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-21 06:36:09

“Banks are going to get their money on the front end and the back end.”

Yep. It’s all about keeping FB’s hopes alive so the money will keep on flowing to the banks.

Keeping the hope alive keeps the “F” alive in “FB”.

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-21 06:41:39

No FB dollar shall be allowed to escape.

 
 
Comment by kmfdm rules
2010-06-21 09:25:15

Yes - the bank WILL get their money eventually… They will make your life a living hell to get back what they lent you.

And thinking about this well they should. Sure they were crooked but in the end of all of this the BORROWER signed on the dotted line. Don’t give me crap at how they did not understand math, or that selling it to another FB was a good strategy… You cane to the blackjack table, you bet chips you did not have. You had a 17 and the dealer was showing a King and you hit. You busted so sad sucks to be you. If you want out them GO BK and suffer the consequences. Strategic Default my ass. If one get caught doing that (they had the money, income, assets, etc to cover the payments but decided that they just did not feel like paying - well OK you get out of the deal but YOU SHOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO BUY A HOUSE EVER AGAIN unless you have 100% CASH.

Option Arms - well those should have never been offered and have no useful purpose but if you do not read or understand the junior high school math then maybe hire an attorney to look over before signing - because when it is all said and done YOUR ASS SHOULD BE ON THE LINE.

yes I know MATH is hard and only “social skills” are important today like not hurting someone’s feelings aaah poor baby victim grow a brain and a pair and be RESPONSIBLE FOR YOURSELF because the idiots in charge are only looking out for themselves and are not going to save you.

We in the Anglo western world just go around feeling sorry for ourselves and make bad decisions and expect the “producers” to bail us out. While on the other side of the planet there are 2+ billion hard working, intelligent people who have a surplus of resources and technocratic leadership that values math and science and don’t stop to “consider your feelings and do what is popular and not what is right” before kicking ass.

“We owe so much money we are not broke we are broken - we are so poor we can’t even pay attention” KMFDM/Nicole Blackman - Dogma

Comment by 2banana
2010-06-21 09:56:39

+100 - good rant! :-)

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-21 10:22:20

So you find China’s political system preferable to ours?

Comment by kmfdm rules
2010-06-21 10:32:05

lets see - who should lead? The ones with the intelligence and skills plus fortitude, or the ones who look pretty on TV and promise shit to everyone to make them feel good without considering if it is sustainable or if have the resources, etc.

Also I like how they deal with a leader who is dishonest - BANG! - next…

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Comment by Big V
2010-06-21 21:21:07

Nicole:

China’s “surplus” is really just a bunch of promissory from the United States. The whole thing is stupid.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-21 11:55:40

yes I know MATH is hard and only “social skills” are important today

I suggest you take a good look at who runs Corporate America. It’s not the guys and gals with “math skills”. It’s the guys and gals with strong interpersonal skills, most of whom rose through the ranks of corporate sales and not R&D. Corporate America a a whole has never valued jobs that require “math skills”, which is why they were and are still being offshored.

Comment by kmfdm rules
2010-06-21 15:58:37

yes I am well aware of this - Is the same Corporate America full of liars and cheaters that just a few years ago required rescue via confiscation of every taxpayers current and future earnings at the barrel of a gun or by eventual debasement of the sovereign currency?

In Asia (at least China anyway) it is the academically bright and technically skilled that are held to high regard and put in control. China has a two trillion dollar SURPLUS. Pretty and popular America and Europe at every level public and private are broke beyond measure…

Even the Asian countries that are not rich seem to have more going on - I spent a few weeks in the Philippines and although the country of over 95 million people has the same GDP as the state of Oregon all the people seemed happier and more hopeful. They just had their national elections of which 85% voted - Imagine the change in America we could create if 85% of Americans gave a shit and got out and voted (as well as seriously considering candidates beyond the Republicans that are burning Rome and the Democrats that are fiddling…

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Comment by Big V
2010-06-21 21:26:02

Hi Nicole.

I’m not trying to bother, but I just want to point out that China is a communist country, and their “leadership” (which is not a representative one) is plenty corrupt. They are riding on the wave of globalization (i.e., we gave them all our jobs, and they lent us all their dough). This global economic DISASTER will not end well for anyone involved, but in the end, communism will not be a better system than democracy.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-21 12:17:45

‘While on the other side of the planet there are 2+ billion hard working, intelligent people who have a surplus of resources and technocratic leadership that values math and science and don’t stop to “consider your feelings and do what is popular and not what is right” before kicking ass.’

I enjoyed your rant, but I am wondering what is stopping you from joining those 2+ billion hard working folks on the other side of the planet it that seems like an attractive option?

Comment by potential buyer
2010-06-21 16:38:12

Its every American’s right to be critical. That’s a BS argument asking people why they don’t move to a different country just because they find something better.

How do we improve if we don’t get critical?

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Comment by Big V
2010-06-21 18:54:03

Sure, there IS a free lunch. It’s called FORECLOSURE. So why is everyone acting like it’s such a freaking travesty?

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-21 06:15:13

‘Many homeowners were put into adjustable rate mortgages and they may not be able to afford their homes when the rate goes up. There also are thousands of bank-owned homes in the Bakersfield area that are sitting vacant.’

‘The good thing is that the lender has more control over values by keeping inventory low. The bad thing is that your typical buyer would like to live in a nice area where people are taking care of neighboring properties, and when the bank sits on a property before putting it on the market, the yard dies and the home just appears to be more run down’

So here we find, yet again, an open discussion of market manipulation for the benefit of seller/lenders. Here’s a note for Michelle Overstreet; the buyers don’t want to pay too much and find themselves underwater. I think they can probably handle getting the grass growing again.

Comment by Lip
2010-06-21 08:00:40

Yes, the banks have to try market manipulation to get the most they can for the homes that they’ve repossessed through foreclosure and IMO that includes keeping the short sales off their books (hidden inventory) for as long as possible.

Here in NW PHX about 95% of the homes on the MLS are short sales. Problem is the ARMs are getting ready to reset in greater numbers while they still have a bunch of hidden inventory.

Its like seeing a train wreck in slow motion. How long before the banks start to move that hidden inventory???

IMO I think the bottom will occur at least two years out.

Comment by mikey
2010-06-21 09:44:32

“Its like seeing a train wreck in slow motion. How long before the banks start to move that hidden inventory???

IMO I think the bottom will occur at least two years out.”

For sure, we are not dealing with the old Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC) of the 80’s era liquidation models here.

The Federal Gov’t, Fannie, Freddie and FHA is allowing bankers, lenders, servicers their chosen, contracted in-house RE agencies piss out forclosure and default inventory therefore constricting the free market and propping up sales and the Dream Prices.

IMHO, unless some heavy duty and drastic pressures takes place to Bust this Dam, this containment will drag out well past the predicted two years.

This is Gov’t Policy now.

“Hi, I’m Uncle Sam and my RE agent has a Dream House and Mortgage just for you”

:)

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-06-21 08:54:33

Ben-
We’re one of those couples. Give us a good home, at a fair market (real) value, in a newly created “marginal” neighborhood from this insanity, and we will help restore some curb appeal.

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2010-06-21 19:13:29

“There also are thousands of bank-owned homes in the Bakersfield area that are sitting vacant.”

There’s a good reason for that. Ugh, Bakersfield is ugly and smells bad. It shouldn’t have been expensive just because it’s in California.

Comment by Big V
2010-06-21 21:28:28

Thank you, Wickedsmart.

Anything east of the hills is not on the same playing field. Not even caLOSE.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-06-21 06:17:57

“Grappling with a $19.1 billion budget shortfall, the state of California took more than $2 billion from redevelopment agencies statewide to help balance its budget. The state earlier this year took $770,000 from Santa Paula, leaving the city of about 30,000 residents nothing in redevelopment funds. The money is typically used by cities to expand businesses, create jobs, redevelop downtowns and neighborhoods and build affordable housing.”

BAHAHAHAHAHAH - and the hits just keep coming.

“At a recent Santa Paula City Council meeting, a dejected Quinn asked the council, ‘What works with no money?’”

Almost everything if you socialists would get out of the way.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-21 06:21:18

It’s interesting that the press in CA doesn’t discover the irony of taking money from affordable housing pools and using it to prop up house prices via tax credits.

Comment by mikey
2010-06-21 09:49:35

b..b.. but you can see the owners “Pride of Ownership” in these money pits Ben…they’re all broke !

:)

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-21 13:28:29

“It’s interesting that the press in CA doesn’t discover the irony of taking money from affordable housing pools and using it to prop up house prices via tax credits.”

Thomas Sowell discusses the irony of government-provided ‘affordable housing’ at length in his book, The Housing Boom and Bust,as we have done on this blog. I don’t believe Sowell goes so far as to assert the government’s affordable housing policies have a deliberate objective of making housing less affordable, though. One should never ascribe to deliberate intent what might better be attributed to ineptitude.

It seems as though the MSM is thus far largely clueless regarding the glaring gap between ‘affordable housing policy’ rhetoric and results.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-06-21 06:47:44

“What works with no money?”

For years folks have been forecasting a cashless economy. Well, we’re almost there.

Comment by mikey
2010-06-21 09:55:21

“For years folks have been forecasting a cashless economy. Well, we’re almost there.”

And that’s why I keep my best friends close by.

A pile of cash, a little gold and a loaded 45 with 2 extra clips.

:)

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-06-21 06:25:04

‘I finally earned my way into a neighborhood like this through a lot of hard work, like a lot of other people here. With this rezoning, I’m just upset at the notion that some construction could go on here and could be incompatible with the character of the area.’”

(unsaid)…And let in a bunch of slugs who did not want to work hard and sacrifice as I did to buy a house but now will be my neighbors on my taxpayer dime.

Welcome to democrat controlled government. As long as there more votes for the people living in low income housing next to your house, they don’t care.

Now - you will notice this type of low income development is NEVER put next to democrat power bases or where the democrat leadership lives…

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-06-21 07:54:55

2banana
With all do respect, the Republicans are no better. Both parties are a poor choice. I really appreciate this quote:
“The only difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the Democrats allow the poor to be corrupt, too.”
Oscar Levant-
Composer, Thinker, Author,Comedian, Actor- Friend of the Gershwin Bros.
(1906 - 1972)

Comment by Lip
2010-06-21 08:05:50

AW,

I tend to agree that there isn’t much difference except for the degree to which the parties like to spend other peoples money.

Remember during the Bush years when the Dems were compaining about the budget deficits. Now the deficits are 3-4 times more and IMO that’s a big difference. I also notice that those that were complaining then tend to be silent now.

That is why the Tea Party movement is going to have an effect in the upcoming elections because they want to reign in the profligate spending no matter who is in power.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-21 08:49:12

That is why the Tea Party movement is going to have an effect in the upcoming elections because they want to reign in the profligate spending no matter who is in power.

I hope they leave their “Gov’t keep your hands off my Medicare and Social Security.” signs at home.

Also, I would take the teabaggers more seriously if they demanded a withdrawal from the middle east wars and a reduction in the “war” budget. But all they seem to care about are Welfare Queens.

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Comment by Lip
2010-06-21 09:26:49

I agree, we need to cut back in all areas and that includes

1) Bringing back the troops,
2) Quit sending cash to other countries,
3) Quit providing military support for all of our so called friends and
4) Cut back on social programs of all kinds including Medicare, Soc Sec, Welfare programs, etc.

Our deficits aren’t a tax problem, theyr’e a spending problem.

I think that the only way to force the governments to cut back are tieing a balanced budget to their retirement funds. No balanced budget this year, no funds for next year.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-06-21 13:08:04

Use the military to protect the border.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-06-21 08:13:29

“Both parties are a poor choice”.

I agree 100% and yet the voters line up and pull the same levers time and time again, and insert detriment after detriment into office.

Comment by Wickedheart
2010-06-21 19:17:50

Because we aren’t given a real choice. How about the fair elections act? I read that in order to get re-elected a congressman has to raise $27,000 a week. If we take the money out of it maybe we could get real choices.

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Comment by 2banana
2010-06-21 10:05:29

Hohum - The old “both parties are equally corrupt” argument.

Tell me - then why do trial lawyers, private labor unions, public labor unions, reparation seeking minorities, environmental marxists and big banks (GS) consistently vote and give 99% of their money to democats?

And why is it that the only party producing ANY believable fiscal conservatives (and still way too few) is the Republican party?

And why is it that the only party that historically has had a significant (but again way too few) and consistent “small government” component is the Republicans?

So my request to you democrats who post on this blog: why don’t you just stop trying to deflect the blame that you deserve by constantly pointing the finger at the republican party whenever the depravity of the democrat party manifests itself.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-06-21 11:23:30

2banana-
I am an Ex-Republican, not a Democrat. I call myself a Political Atheist for a reason. I woke up. And btw, the Republicans talk fiscal restraint, but don’t deliver either. Both parties suck. The end.

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Comment by Cassandra
2010-06-21 13:20:50

I want to join the Political Atheist party.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-06-21 17:21:23

Cassandra
Being a Political Atheist is a state of mind, and you get your sanity back. Why, since I became one, my piano lessons are in full swing again, and I’m singing in the shower. I’m free!

Yesterday, I was looking at some trees while home shopping, and OlyGal came to mind. It’s funny how someone you never met in person, could have such a wonderful impact on your spirit. I miss her wit. Judging from your statement, you’re another great gal.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-06-21 18:23:12

AW: I am probably not what you think. I claim no moral high ground. I too often think fondly of Oly, someone I never met.

I think that then perhaps I have become a Political Atheist, as since I have ignored politics, I have enjoyed better physical health and better mental health.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-06-22 07:32:06

Good for you. We’ll let the masses fight amongst themselves, and we’ll go check out the wonders of the world. Life is too freakin short to waste our time.

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-06-21 12:18:40

why don’t you just stop trying to deflect the blame that you deserve by constantly pointing the finger at the republican party whenever the depravity of the democrat party manifests itself.

Because they belong to the DemocratIC party, not the fictional Democrat party that has sprung up recently?

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Comment by snake charmer
2010-06-21 15:44:15

I’ve answered that very same question, with the very same lead-in rant, from you before. Just go back a few months and read the archives. And I’ll add this to my previous response: apart from propping up housing, which is and was wrong, we could have every American fend for himself/herself or starve, and there still will be no fiscal conservatism as long as we fight two wars in Asia and maintain a military presence in 123 countries.

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Comment by potential buyer
2010-06-21 17:11:21

Yawn!!!!!!!!!

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Comment by mikey
2010-06-21 19:15:32

“So my request to you democrats who post on this blog: why don’t you just stop trying to deflect the blame that you deserve by constantly pointing the finger at the republican party whenever the depravity of the democrat party manifests itself.”

Ben Jones may have accept have recently accepted some GOP governors front financing but I don’t believe that he has completely turned his HBB into 2banana’s personal National GOP Forum…yet.

What do you say Ben Jones …ARE you going GOP National here ?

:)

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Comment by mikey
2010-06-21 20:27:00

Come on Ben Jones…Is this a GOP Paid for Convention of operative shills or is it still an open Housing Blog ?

It’s your call.

Just spit it out.

:)

 
Comment by Big V
2010-06-21 21:32:57

Well, if Ben was working for the GOP, then I would not be allowed to post here, donchathink?

 
Comment by mikey
2010-06-21 21:51:39

Well Big V,

If mikey and ALL traces of me, suddenly and unexplainably “Disappears” from this blog for asking this legitmate question and for requestioning an honest explaination… Remember me.

Either Ben or the “GOP” overlords…got me.

Z

:)

 
Comment by mikey
2010-06-21 22:26:32

Well here in Wisconsin, I’ve been getting local sleazy GOP Sponsored Front Group Ad Videos clipsunder Ben’s daily posts about the following people and issues…

anti-Wisconsin Democratic Governor Jim Dolye.

anti-Milwaukee Democratic Mayor Tom Barrett.

anti-President Obama and Unions.

Who do you think is paying who to run theses Ads here in Wisconsin Big V…little old 2banana and his GOP HBB roomies ?

From what I see on my puter screen here…Ben Jones IS working for the GOP because he AIN’T just giving the GOP Front Groups blog space to run this trash for FREE !

I just want to hear his explaintion for this and continuously allowing republican operatives to room bullying of other people unchecked.

 
Comment by Big V
2010-06-21 22:32:23

Huh. I didnt’ realize Google ads could be local. Well, blog owners don’t get to choose which Google ads appear on their site. The space is sold through online bidding. Whoever bids highest will get the spot. Advertisers placed their bids based on keywords and hit counts. So if you type the word “Republican” into the comments, then you’re actually attracting a Republican advertiser to the site. Then, if you’re interested in the ad, and you click on it, THEY have to pay Ben a little something. So it’s not Ben’s doing, see?

 
Comment by mikey
2010-06-21 22:59:51

Sounds good Big V…

Wasn’t me, I just build the 500 lbs bombs…

Wasn’t me, I just load the bombs…

Wasn’t me, I just fly the B-52…

Wasn’t me, I just navigate the plane…

and it certainly wasn’t me, I was attending my big sister’s wedding when the bombs went off.

;)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by rms
2010-06-21 06:30:20

” “If homeowners can refinance to a lower [interest] rate, they should be able to keep their home,” said Don Scordino, MLS president for the Fresno Association of Realtors.”

Do upside-down borrowers care about lower interest rates?

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-21 07:24:01

Yup, Mr. Fullmer of Novato, welcome to integration. If you are getting a loan for that house you are buying in Novato, you should not complain about low income people moving in nearby.

The way to safeguard against people lowering the value of your own property is to rent in a luxury apartment complex. Also your chances would be greater against low income people moving next to you if you are in Malibu. But low income to many Malibu residents means people earning less than $500,000 per year.

Comment by Kim
2010-06-21 10:18:28

Suzanne really should have researched this one.

;)

 
 
Comment by WArenter
2010-06-21 08:24:16

“MacLeamy cited the recent Wall Street meltdown as evidence that people should live within their means. ‘I think people should be able to live in the housing they can afford,’ she said. ‘If they need to rent for a while, so be it. We found through this financial crisis that an awful lot of people should have never bought anything in the first place. They couldn’t handle a mortgage.’”

MacLeamy sounds like a HBBer.

Comment by pismoclam
2010-06-22 01:28:26

In San Luis Obispo Co. the RE shills say that with $55k income you can buy the median house of $310k. Where do they get theses people ??

 
 
Comment by The_Overdog
2010-06-21 09:01:20

Saw something interesting this week while out and about.

Every business I went to (restaurants, stores, everything) had signs up looking for new hires.

The restaurants around me that closed are all being remade, and a tiny fraction of the empty and long-closed commercial property is being rented.

Still plenty of brand new looking commerical property sitting empty (with new being built-what a waste), but this is the most ‘hiring’ signs i’ve seen in 5 years. Things might be turning, at least a little.

Comment by rusty
2010-06-21 11:47:32

maybe ICE ran a raid in the area recently?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-21 09:35:46

“More than half of the homeowners who lost their houses to foreclosure in the past three years refinanced their loans or borrowed cash against their equity. On average, properties lost to foreclosure were refinanced at least twice.”

I suppose that, according to the political calculus du juor, Americans who never refinanced owe bailout money to those who did?

 
Comment by swguy
2010-06-21 10:38:20

The housing market won’t even see the light of day till maybe 2018. Most on this site already know this, but for you new people who been told to buy now and reap the profits be very careful.
Income ratio to debt is the worse in American history, many companies just can’t pay the big dollars anymore.
Who is left to buy your house at a handsome profit maybe 2% of the buying public in the next several years, not enough buyers and to much inventory.
California especially better be very careful houses continue to be priced beyond most everyone and what you get for the dollar makes no sense at all. California and most of the USA will have to see 1989 prices return to get a impact of a housing recovery.
Again when sites like this started most just said a bunch of doomsday people but now you talk to family,friends, strangers most all are very worried about not only paying the mortage but just basic living and this should have all very concerned in this country.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-06-21 10:58:30

“Who is left to buy your house…”

To be certain, that’s a question far more important than what brand of appliances or what countertop finish a place has.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-06-21 17:34:12

That’s what burns my azz. OK, it’s a seasonal mini-bubble in So Ca, and sellers are pretending it’s 2005 in arrogance, but how many buyers are really out there? How can anyone afford a $500K starter home? Most of our friends, and most of our former McMansion neighbors are in a world of hurt, many living on fumes. Incomes are down, unemployment is up. This is a Depression, granted it’s just getting started. I need an aspirin.

We home shopping, and it’s depressing. All I run into at Open Houses are flippers or want-to-be landlords, until “things turn around”. (Like it will happen next year.)

Comment by Wickedheart
2010-06-21 22:15:35

I think you need to await wipeout just a bit longer. Patience grasshopper.

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Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-06-21 13:40:10

For fun I found a website listing AGI by zipcode. I compared 90503 and 85044. They have very similar incomes per capita. However in 90503 the houses are older, dull, uninspiring. The 85044 houses are in clean neighborhoods with similar theme in design. The zillow prices of the 85044 homes are mostly half to a third of the prices of 90503.

So the income ratio is out of whack in Torrance, Ca compared to my Arizona zip code. The 85044 people seem to be a happier lot than the ones I meet in 90503. I wonder why? For $150 per month I can get the same cool comfort in 85044 as I get in 90503 - it’s called Air Conditioning and ceiling fans.

 
 
Comment by HappySDRenter
2010-06-21 10:48:05

Just moved 2 miles up the street in San Diego to a place for $850.00/month. My guesstimate is that I’d have to buy a place for $110,000.00 to be paying with an equivalent mortgage.

Renting has made this city surprisingly affordable. The competition among landlords doesn’t hurt either ($99 security deposits, free or half off first month’s rent, and so forth).

Still no idea when I can buy. I can’t find any comparable condos in my neighbourhood for under $200k.

Comment by Wickedheart
2010-06-21 23:41:39

Please tell me where you rent in San Diego for $850. Was it in El Cajon (tweekerville) National aka Nasty City or San Yskidrow?

 
 
Comment by sold in 05
2010-06-21 10:48:14

i lived in san luis obispo for 10 years during the boom times,1999-2009…it was hard to find employment then,most jobs were construction,govt or tourist related.no jobs equal huge falling real estate prices…this area has seen a 40% drop since the bubble burst…affordable coastal calif is avail again…..i am happy about that,because i plan on coming back

 
Comment by HappySDRenter
2010-06-21 10:56:23

Spoke to a few people after the last few weeks.

The first guy I talked to is renting from a friend and found out his friend stopped making his mortgage payments last year. (He’s still paying his friend rent.) I’d estimate it’s a condo that went for $350k new.

Second family lives inland a bit and is about to have their ARM reset. Rates are low right now, but the owners are worried about if rates go up next year. The owners no longer qualify to refinance into much of anything.

Third folks decided their condo was underwater (no problems paying the mortgage or anything) so they mailed in the keys and moved into a rental, assuming they’d be thrown out immediately. They checked the place out about 6 months later and picked their appliances. The place hadn’t been touched (and locks hadn’t been changed). Foreclosure is still pending.

Two comments on the above situation:
- First guy is making income off an essentialy free asset. It’s hard to buy a house when other people have gained access to one for free. Third folks could’ve done the same thing, and that condo’s sat as shadow inventory for almost a year.
- I had a conversation about ways to cut expenses (e.g. cable TV) with the second folks. The conversation was a bit discouraging; if you are worried about paying for your house, giving up ESPN and throwing up an antenna (especially when you own a house) would seem like a smart way to save $600/year.

Comment by 2banana
2010-06-21 11:23:23

You don’t understand - cable TV, iphones, ipods, etc. are guaranteed rights that everyone must have. You can’t give them up, no matter what the financial emergency…it would be un-American.

Comment by rusty
2010-06-21 11:52:47

Heck , it is so much of a ‘right’ to have a cell phone these days that the government even gives them to welfare recipients.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-21 12:09:28

“The first guy I talked to is renting from a friend and found out his friend stopped making his mortgage payments last year. (He’s still paying his friend rent.)”

Isn’t it illegal for a landlord to collect rent but not make payment on the note which financed the purchase of his ‘rental unit’? This surely seems fraudulent to me, but I don’t know what the law says.

Comment by HappySDRenter
2010-06-21 13:17:06

I’m not aware of any criminal law concerning landlords who go into default. A tenant could initiate a civil action against their landlord for violating the lease (if there is one), although a judgment against a landlord-turned-FB doesn’t seem very worthwhile. I’m guessing the lender could sue the FB for fraud if the plan to collect rent and not pay the mortgage was deliberate and planned. Morally, it definitely amounts to fraud.

There is a new law that protects tenants by requiring the new owner after foreclosure to honour an existing lease, or allow the tenant to stay for 90 days if the lease is month-to-month.

In this particular case, the tenant asked the landlord if he could cut down the rent payment a bit since (a) his roommate moved out and (b) the landlord isn’t paying a mortgage anyway. The landlord said “no”, which I found a little shocking — and greedy.

Comment by Anonymous Coward
2010-06-21 17:18:01

Is not that ripe for abuse? In the above case, what’s to stop the lessee from paying the FB landlord a year’s rent cash and signing a 10 or 20 year lease at, say, $5/mo. If you really want to go hog wild, what’s to stop them from including subleasing in the lease agreement and then having the lessee after the foreclosure sublease to the current FB/homeowner?

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Comment by HappySDRenter
2010-06-21 17:54:23

The law only applies to a “bona fide” lease:

(1) the mortgagor or the child, spouse, or parent of the
mortgagor under the contract is not the tenant;
(2) the lease or tenancy was the result of an arms-length
transaction; and
(3) the lease or tenancy requires the receipt of rent that
is not substantially less than fair market rent for the property or the unit’s rent is reduced or subsidized due to a Federal, State, or local subsidy.

This would preclude collusion between landlord and tenant to defraud the lienholder. Additionally, this law only applies to federally-related loans (99% of loans out there) and “sunsets” in 2012. (Apparently in 2012 landlords can go back to ripping off tenants.)

 
Comment by Anonymous Coward
2010-06-22 07:49:11

Thanks. I was hoping there were some reasonable exclusions and caveats in there, but you never know in California.

 
 
 
Comment by Wickedheart
2010-06-21 23:49:42

“Isn’t it illegal for a landlord to collect rent but not make payment on the note which financed the purchase of his ‘rental unit’? This surely seems fraudulent to me, but I don’t know what the law says.”

If the landlord does it in the first year he owns the home he is rent skimming and it’s illegal. That’s how it is in California, anyway. After the first year it isn’t a problem, you are free to collect rent and pocket the money.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-21 12:12:13

“- First guy is making income off an essentially free asset. It’s hard to buy a house when other people have gained access to one for free.”

For some reason, this brings to mind the Fed’s policy of loaning at zero percent to Megabank, Inc so they can loan at ‘market rates’ to the sheeple. In an economy driven by systemic financial scams like these, it apparently pays to be on the receiving end of the scam financing arrangement…

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-21 11:07:37

This just in from Tucson:

Back in 2006, a couple living one street away decided that this nabe was not to their liking. And I can recall having a conversation with their real estate agent about how much happier they’d be in the hippie granola nabe that they were going to move into.

Well, they put their one-street-away-from-here house on the market in September 2006. They’d bought in the spring of 2004 for $135,000. Asking price in late ‘06 was $240,000.

Eight months later, it finally sold to a specuvestor who split the lot, put a crummy guesthouse behind the one in front, and started renting it to a series of so-so tenants. I’m told that the specuvestor paid $220k, and that was before the addition of the crummy guesthouse. He’s already tried — and failed — to flip the place. The flipping attempt happened in late ‘07/early ‘08.

Any-hoo, my former neighbors bought another house in the oh-so-hip Dunbar Spring nabe. That’s just north of Downtown Tucson. I’m told that they paid $240k for the place. They’ve been living there since December ‘06.

Earlier this year, I pedaled past their hippie granola HQ, and lo and behold, what did I see but a “for sale” sign out front. Asking price was $219k. Same real estate agent as the one I spoke with back in ‘06. He’s a friend of theirs.

Well, I just took another gander at the local MLS. Asking price for the hippie granola HQ is now down to $159k.

Got quite the haircut going on here, folks.

 
Comment by Reuven
2010-06-21 11:41:08

. More than half of the homeowners who lost their houses to foreclosure in the past three years refinanced their loans or borrowed cash against their equity. On average, properties lost to foreclosure were refinanced at least twice. Many homes purchased between 2002 and 2003 went up in value, said Justus Martin, the association’s MLS operations manager. Then homeowners decided to borrow money against their rising equity to make other purchases, such as a car or boat.”

Are banks doing “short sales” for the 50% of homeowners in this situation? (And if so, it’s morally repulsive that these people can’t be forced to liquidate everything they own, to mitigate the bank’s loss…)

Comment by Lip
2010-06-21 12:21:52

Reuven,

IMO the banks aren’t doing much with their short sales, unless you count sitting on them counts as action. I have seen many “short sale” houses that were completely vacant for months. We wait for some of them to become foreclosed, which in market speak means that the banks are ready to deal.

BTW I agree that the ill gotten gains (Hummers, boats, etc) should be liquidated to pay for the negative equity, but the banks are over burdened already and they probably don’t want to do the work to get these things back.

Having the FB’s pay in taxes for their negative equity could be a way to recoup some of this money, but then the government would be the ones pissing away the money.

It sucks, but that’s the way it’s going to be for a while.

Comment by Reuven
2010-06-21 15:06:47

They certainly should pay the taxes.

Also, I suspect there’s been no enforcement over legal deductions for interest on home equity loans. HELOC interest is supposed to only be deductible if used for capital improvements on the primary residence. Judging from conversations with people who have HELOCs and who talk about their “tax deduction”, there’s probably a huge amount of fraud here. Unfortunately, it’s more politically popular to “soak the rich” and go after business than to make Harry Homedebtor pay his fair share….

Yes, the government will piss it away, but the more they collect from one person, the less they may need to collect from me.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-06-21 17:52:52

Lip & Reuven
Great coversation back and forth, thank you. I agree 100%. Those of us moral, responsible people, lost in this game of equity locus.

As a buyer with no loan contingency, I am furious. Prices are still in the stratosphere in So Ca. Playing by the rules has cost me a lot, but then again, our soul is priceless. I could not be, who many of these scumbags are.

Comment by phxis2hot
2010-06-22 14:39:33

From a fellow socal’er, I empathize. The frightening part is yet to come; that is, the fallout from all of this hocus pocus chicanery in propping up that which cannot last. The number of people in SoCal surviving off of a government that itself is fiscally doomed is staggering. What happens when the welfare, food stamps and section 8 basically shut off? There’s going to be a lot of pissed off underclass warriors out there who are hungry and have little to lose. I know this sounds Mad Maxish, but the current scheme is not sustainable in our cities, our states or our nation.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-21 12:07:11

“Maggi notes a 96-unit complex he’s owned in Buena Park since 1978 as a good market gauge. Before this slump, he never started a month at this complex with more than 10 vacancies — and now he’s got 14. ‘Lots of hard times,’ he says explaining why it’s so hard to fill up apartments.”

Filling vacancies is simple as pie: Lower the rent to levels the market will bear, and you will soon have a much lower vacancy rate.

Don’t tell me Maggi hasn’t figured out this most simple economic principle in 32 years of landlordship?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-21 12:37:14

You also need to screen tenants. He may have a bunch of louts in his 96-unit complex. There’s nothing that drives the good folks out faster than having to live so close to the louts.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-21 13:34:24

It’s not as though there is a shortage at the moment of would-be renters; rather that people are broke, and can no longer afford to pay bubble-era rents. But lower prices with screening should work to attract an ample supply of tenants that pass through the screening process.

Comment by Totally
2010-06-21 14:28:59

Cantankerous, you’re right. Rents have been in a bubble since the late 90’s. I started my adult life at this time and saving $$$ after paying rent has been really difficult. Keeping a roof over my head AND saving for a downpayment on a house has been impossible. On average 40% of our combines income goes to rent. Many of my younger colleagues live at home with parents now - with current wages, they cannot afford to rent an apartment. Housing, buying and renting, are unaffordable and many people are so broke that they are living with family. I think this will be the new norm going forward.
My old landlady would brag to me sometimes that her 6 unit complex in SoCal was worth $2 million. She did not want to sell and raised rents to reflect the cashflow that she thought a $2 million complex should generate. My neighbors landlords did this too, in spite of the fact that the local area could not support higher rent prices. The bubble did have an effect on rent prices, but for some reason this development went unnoticed in the face of high buying prices.

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Comment by HappySDRenter
2010-06-21 17:46:37

A six unit complex full of people spending 40% of their income on rent is a complex full of financially irresponsible people. Landlords who choose to price their properties to attract the irresponsible will get the kinds of tenants they deserve.

I informed my prior landlord that there are much cheaper places where I can live and have my car broken into, my neighbours partying in the hot tub at 2 AM, and so forth. (They were unwilling to negotiate on rent, despite most other apartments here being priced 30% cheaper.)

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2010-06-21 23:55:50

And San Diego is full of people who spend half of their income or more on rent.

 
 
 
 
Comment by HappySDRenter
2010-06-21 13:25:55

During a conversation with a seasoned property manager/landlord (they own some and then manage some for other people), he mentioned he’s renting to a lot of former owners. Apparently, these are the most difficult tenants since they think they can do things like acquire pets, disturb the neighbours with noise, and so on.

Former owners living in rentals may keep rents stable for a while until the shadow inventory catches up with us. As a renter, it’s frustrating that I have to keep paying for all these homes to stay empty.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-21 15:15:50

“As a renter, it’s frustrating that I have to keep paying for all these homes to stay empty.”

Look at the bright side: By contributing to the false illusion that homes are still valued near 2006 peak bubble price levels, your high rent payments are helping the banking system stay afloat.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-06-21 17:00:25

Apparently, these are the most difficult tenants since they think they can do things like acquire pets, disturb the neighbours with noise, and so on.

I liked to think I was a good former-owner-turned-tenant. Being an owner, I became quite handy. I wasn’t used to relying on someone else to address or fix things, so my first instinct was to do it myself.

I also treated everything as if I did own it….but I’ve always been that way.

Comment by HappySDRenter
2010-06-21 17:43:04

Perhaps it’s more useful to consider these “owners”-turned-renters as tenants who have changed their landlord from the a bank to a conventional landlord.

Banks are pretty liberal about letting you fill your house up with pets, paint half of a room a funny colour, and let your questionable relatives move in to the basement. Landlords are a bit more demanding about such things…

(Real owners, i.e. people who have paid off their house or put 20% down, tend to take very good care of their properties. I don’t consider someone with 0% down to be an owner.)

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Comment by AnonyRuss
2010-06-21 18:54:50

I rent a suburban Phoenix single family house a mile or so from the similar house that I “owned” through 2005. There are very few day to day differences for me. I take care of little things like a dripping faucet myself, but it is nice not to have to pay for big stuff like the occasional uprooted tree or something.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-06-21 18:00:48

HappySDRenter
I’m with you. No down payment is just renting from the bank. The upside is the over promoted mortgage write off. That’s what is just pissing us off. While house shopping (So Ca), we are competing with empty pockets for a modest home, and we are a no loan contingency buyer.
They can walk, we can’t (and don’t think that way), so we aren’t about to over pay. We’re not interested in an FHA Loan based bidding wars.

 
Comment by Big V
2010-06-21 18:45:18

Jesus Christ. You should see some of the pics of Florida Ben just posted. Those guys have it baaaaad over there.

 
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