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Comment by dude
2010-06-25 23:45:25

There has been a lot of banter about jobs, or the lack thereof this week. My recent experience shows me that the memory of bubble salaries may be the biggest impediment to growth in the economy.

I’ve recently tried to hire an ME or EE with 5 years experience and the salary expectations are insane. I expect it is due to the high level of debt carried by so many. They can’t make their payments if they don’t demand high pay, but business can’t hire them at those salaries with the risk of a double dip still hanging out there.

Am I way off base?

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-06-26 04:26:13

An engineer at my company left this week over pay. We had a pay cut of about 10% last year, but the position was very secure. He got his 10% back with the move, but will loose the security, and I am pretty sure will be working long hours. In his case it is the relentless debt burden, mortgage and college for his kids, plus that “investment property” that he couldn’t resist in 2006 (and now can’t sell). This guy will still fall through the ice if rents or occupancy drop in his little sixplex investment.

 
Comment by rms
2010-06-26 05:09:20

“I’ve recently tried to hire an ME or EE with 5 years experience and the salary expectations are insane. I expect it is due to the high level of debt carried by so many.”

Many student loans run more than five years too.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-06-26 08:49:50

Good point on school loans. The elephant in the room w/entry level and younger employee pay.

Comment by Buster Bubble
2010-06-26 13:21:27

But…but…there is a shortage of engineers! Mayor Bloomberg along with the CEO’s of HP & Intel said we need more visas to give to engineering students to keep them in this country. HP & Intel can’t even find any engineers at any price due to this incredibly huge shortage.

Obviously, these salary expectations are in line with the shortage Mayor Bloomberg is going on about.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 09:44:14

Student loans are only forgiven in death. That is the only reason I don’t pay mine off — there is that slim chance that I may end up fully amortized before the debt is.

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 10:25:13

Merriam-Webster’s Online Dictionary
Main Entry: am·or·tize
Pronunciation: \ˈa-mər-ˌtīz also ə-ˈmȯr-\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): am·or·tized; am·or·tiz·ing
Etymology: Middle English amortisen to kill, alienate in mortmain, from Anglo-French amorteser, alteration of amortir, from Vulgar Latin *admortire to kill, from Latin ad- + mort-, mors death — more at murder
Date: 1867

1 : to pay off (as a mortgage) gradually usually by periodic payments of principal and interest or by payments to a sinking fund

2 : to gradually reduce or write off the cost or value of (as an asset)

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-26 05:34:30

So how much are they asking for? 80K, 100K, 120K?

Comment by dude
2010-06-26 08:03:39

I think 100K is the current magic number out there.

Comment by MightyMike
2010-06-26 15:08:23

So have you found anoyone to hire yet? Is every qualified applicant demands $100k, your companny may have to pay that amount.
Has the recession had any impact on your industry and the kind of engineers who work in it? Are they still able to get the salaries they got a few years ago?

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Comment by dude
2010-06-26 23:16:36

Nope, and that issue is what may end up moving this work offshore.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-26 17:15:23

The going rate out here in my neck of the woods is 60-80K.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 05:52:26

I don’t think you are off base Dude. My salary as an engineer is still way too high and it’s been that way for these ten years. But I have been a very good steward of my money because I assumed the good times would not last long. Ten years ago my income just increased to $65,000. Then I went consulting and it’s been more than double, sometimes quadruple, ever since.

Still assuming the other shoe will drop. T-bills, TIPS, savings bonds, a high quality municipal bond fund, and precious metals bullion have been good hedge investments against my unstable salary.

Comment by palmetto
2010-06-26 05:55:39

“T-bills, TIPS, savings bonds, a high quality municipal bond fund, and precious metals bullion have been good hedge investments against my unstable salary.”

Sounds like a good, conservative basket.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 06:11:27

Thanks. I’m no socialist - my motto is “no one owes me a job.”

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Comment by palmetto
2010-06-26 06:31:00

Of all those financial instruments, which is your fave?

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 09:10:36

Precious metals bullion coins are my favorites because they had such a good runup and I slowed down my buying as prices went up. In 2008 I bought maybe 5 ounces of gold and platinum. In 2009 I bought 3 ounces of gold. Other years I would buy 20 ounces or more. In fact I did not buy any for over a year unless you count the shares of mining stocks in my stock mutual funds.

Series I savings bonds are my second favorite. AAZAX and AAXBX are my third favorite holdings.

This morning at the gym I found a warning sign that precious metals are getting too high. I listened to a guy talking to another about his buying gold and silver. They were also talking about their problems with rent prices. It seems they are owners of rentals. The gold buyer was mentioning he dropped his rent.

This is but one sign. You don’t sell all your gold when you hear one stranger talk about buying it. You have to get a good random sampling. A gate attendent at the airport. A stewardess or steward. People at work. People at a neighboring table at lunch. Apartment managers, etc.

My gut feeling is that the time to incur capital gains taxes in gold will be the 2011 tax year and sell in January.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 09:14:40

At some point soon it will be a very good move to sell half your gold and go into T-bills. Reasoning: If you are up 30 to 50% in gold, you can take maybe four or five years of 0.35% yields of T-bills before the interest rates go up to double digit percentages. Along the way maybe gold will drop to $600 per ounce and the shoeshine boys and taxi cab drivers will panic sell. Then you can get back into gold.

 
Comment by mariner22
2010-06-26 13:29:04

Bill, I don’t think it will be the shoeshine boys that signal the terminal bubble in gold - it will be the professional money managers. I believe the difference between today’s gold and yesterday’s internet stocks (or real estate) is that the “professionals” bought into the bubbled assets. Very few professional managers today buy precious metals - it really isn’t in their interest as their customers can easily buy bullion or paper gold without “advice.” The real money such as pension funds, most hedge funds (John Paulson excepted), and insurance companies are not putting their money in an asset with little to no dividends.

I consider precious metals to be the same as having a pile of “federal reserve notes” except notes that cannot be defaced by the political whims of those in power.

 
Comment by technovelist
2010-06-26 13:42:07

I consider precious metals to be the same as having a pile of “federal reserve notes” except notes that cannot be defaced by the political whims of those in power.

In other words, one is real money and the other is fake money.

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-26 13:46:18

When the shoe shine boy asks to be tipped in gold, then you’ll know we’re in a bubble!

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-06-26 18:43:19

I had posted prior that we had sold most of our gold/plt bullion on the last runup when it hit about $1150.00. One of the reasons why we did it was because traditionally, the price of an ounce of gold was roughly 50% to 60% of the price of an ounce of platinum. Lately, an ounce of gold has gotten to within 75% to 80% of the price of an oz. of plt, so the latecomers are jumping onto the wagon and inflating the gold bullion market. We realized a healthy profit and will buy some gold back when it falls sharply, which it probably will. Nothing seems to be particularly inflationary right now, anyway, at least not in our state. Right now, r.e. is so cheap that we will probably be looking at a 1 BR condo in a nice development as a rental - they used to sell for $70000 and right now a foreclosure is for sale for $15,000, and will probably be going down. They rent for about $700 a month. But first, we still have to sell our darned office. We had one offer, a good one, but the buyer wiggled out during the 5-day recission period written into the offer. He’s back, but at a cheaper price, so we hear. We’ll still take it if he ever gets around to writing a 2nd offer, but with a quick close.

 
 
Comment by chilidoggg
2010-06-26 09:12:34

I love your everyday posts re: your asset allocation. Please. Don’t. Stop.

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Comment by technovelist
2010-06-26 13:44:26

I love your everyday posts re: your asset allocation. Please. Don’t. Stop.

I can’t wait until he posts about selling half his gold and waiting “until” it drops to $600. All that will accomplish is getting rid of his insurance when the house is on fire.

 
 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-06-26 06:05:22

“Am I way off base?”

Sounds to me like the “haftaget” syndrome that I see in the stuff business. “I paid $100.00 for that, so I haftaget $125.00″.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-26 07:30:06

Fannie is in just such a bind.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 09:46:00

It seems as though we currently have neither a buyer’s market nor a seller’s housing market, but rather a “haftaget” market.

 
 
Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 06:40:44

“…the salary expectations are insane. I expect it is due to the high level of debt carried by so many.”

Do you see the parallel between this situation and that of would-be home sellers who cannot find a buyer due to them setting their asking price at a sufficiently high level to pay off their debt if they ever manage to sell?

High debt loads are very bad for capital asset market liquidity, whether the asset be housing or human capital or something else.

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 06:43:59

Silver lining for job seekers without high debt burdens: You can underbid your equally-qualified competition, provided you convince your prospective future employer that you are the best man for the job, especially because you evidently have the self-discipline to manage your personal finances well.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-06-26 07:03:18

ChoicePoint is a sore spot w/ me, and so is the fact my 820+ FICO/Credit Report is an employer’s business.(Unless it pertains to a related position.) Do I have the knowledge, experience, and drive for the position ? The fact all these data bases give you and I no privacy, ticks me off. I accept it, but it’s notdb.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-06-26 07:15:45

Oh, and the fact internet searches can be factored into hiring metrics is absurd. That’s why I use ixquick. They are based in another country and purge your searches.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2010-06-26 15:55:56

I use ixquick as well. How can an employer obtain your internet search records?

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 10:05:14

Good point! It’s also nice to have the flexibility as a renter to greatly downsize. Like drop cable service, sell excess furniture in storage and give up the storage unit. An article in Yahoo Finance predicts a labor shortage in five years. It’s a good situation now to be debt free and burden free.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 12:58:06

There will be NO labor shortage in five years. This is feel good fluff by the MSM to provide false hope.

 
 
 
Comment by dude
2010-06-26 08:06:44

Parallel? Good point, I absolutely agree. There is another constraint I didn’t mention either. The engineers in Chindia get better every year.

 
 
Comment by GH
2010-06-26 09:22:07

As an engineer, I can see where companies are being squeezed at both ends.

Personally I opted out, for pay and other reasons, and now run my own consulting business. I probably still make less than I used to, but enjoy life and work a whole lot more.

The problem as I see it, is that what we need right now is wage inflation to save our crumbling economy, but what I am seeing is wage deflation. I know two people who have had to file for Bankruptcy after losing jobs and being unable to get back to a livable wage in their field, which I suppose now allows them to compete in the new economy?

Comment by technovelist
2010-06-26 13:46:33

The problem as I see it, is that what we need right now is wage inflation Jubilee to save our crumbling economy,

There, I fixed it for you.

 
 
Comment by TitusPullo8780
2010-06-26 10:47:31

Debt is one part of the picture. The other is inflation and geography. Where you live is your choice, but inflation everywhere in the USA, is severe and getting worse. The number coming out of the gov. say that US inflation is almost zero (*nice excuse to keep interest rates artificially low).

I’m a big saver (although not in US currency), and have managed to save nearly half my income for the last 6 years. Sadly, it’s just been fighting a losing battle. My girlfriend was out with friends last night, so I decided to splurge on a pizza. The total bill before tip: $28.37 for a medium with 2 toppings. (delivery was “free”)

When housing was sky rocketing in price, the gov. came up with “Owners equivalent rent” as a measure for housing costs. This was a scheme to rig to CPI lower. So that whole time, we had 2 to 3% inflation. Despite housing prices going up 10 to 15% a year. The 2 don’t square.

I quit smoking in ‘03. Back then, a pack of Mar. Reds were around 3.50. I saw an add in a liquor store yesterday - $5.77 a pack. In NYC - it’s 10 bucks (thank god I quit).

But the point with cigarettes is that the gov. does not factor tax hikes into the inflation picture. So, despite the tax man getting ready to take a much bigger chunk next year, that will not be reported as a inflation in the CPI.

I got so sick of handing over half my paycheck to the gov. that I left my job and am trying to get a small capital management business off the ground.

I’m in CA - the land of nearly 10% sales tax and 10% state income tax, not mention a bankrupt state government. Fact is, the US is technically broke due to our tremendous debt load and trade deficit. I think the belief in D.C. is that the only way to save the banks and idiot home owners who bought durring the bubble is to inflate our way out, so they don’t have to do as many principle mark downs at the big banks. They are going to find out that once the inflation genie is out of the bottle, he’s very hard to put back in.

Comment by Silverback1011
2010-06-26 18:45:42

We have almost no inflation here in the midwest. It’s so deflationary it ain’t funny. We can ge a 1-topping large pizza here for 5 bux if you pick it up yourself.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 12:53:09

Did you counter offer?

Comment by Silverback1011
2010-06-27 04:33:21

Yes, but they didn’t reply. They had already signed the original agreement, but rescinded it during the “inspection”, and now, he’s back, sorta. He’s made verbal offers to our realtor, but nothing in writing yet. Worried about committing.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 00:15:43

Not everyone in DC has a tin ear! And she is from Kansas!!

Bankster with bonus and bailout, OH MY!

* ECONOMY
* JUNE 25, 2010, 4:16 P.M. ET

Bair Says Bill Will End ‘Too Big to Fail’

By JESSICA HOLZER

Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair said bank regulators would have the tools they need to banish “too big to fail” institutions from the financial landscape once a Wall Street overhaul bill becomes law.

In the first installment of The Big Interview, a WSJ.com video interview that will be posted at 10 a.m. EDT Friday, Ms. Bair said that new powers allowing regulators to seize and liquidate failing institutions would act like a threat hovering over the financial industry, deterring firms from growing oo large or reckless.

“This is a kind of a nuclear bomb that you hope you never have to use,” Ms. Bair said. “The fact that it’s there, I think, is going to be important. And if we have to use it, we will.”

The bill pending in Congress would empower the heads of the FDIC, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury to wind down a financial firm other than a bank, a provision intended to give the government a choice other than the messy bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers and the controversial rescue of American International Group. The FDIC, with its long history of resolving failed banks, would act as receiver, selling off the assets.

Ms. Bair said the existence of this new authority would prompt investors to shift capital away from the biggest financial firms toward smaller ones, strengthening them after a wave of consolidation in the financial industry created some competitive disparities. She predicted that investors would favor smaller firms whose risks are more transparent, raising capital costs for bigger ones.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-06-26 05:44:03

I think when we look back on all this, the biggest mistake was not to bail out CIT financial, they provided loans and cash advances to small businesses and credit to the shipping industry

AIG was a bailout to the big boys.
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to give the government a choice other than the messy bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers and the controversial rescue of American International Group

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 06:37:51

In retrospect, the choices of whom to save and whom to leave to the sharks appear to have followed the dictum, “What’s good for Gollum is best for America.”

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-26 07:36:42

Any departure from survival of the fittest is certain to have dire unintended consequences in a business environment.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 08:05:13

“…is certain to have dire unintended consequences in a business environment”

Financial meteorite impacts can have rather nasty long term global effects, if they are large enough…

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 08:35:53

“Any departure from survival of the fittest”

Dinosaurs failed to survive in part due to their being too big.

I expect Gollum and other members of Wall Street’s Megabank, Inc cartel to eventually succumb to similar ends.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 08:38:08

“Financial meteorite impacts…”

The Alvarez hypothesis surfaces on the HBB! :-)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 12:23:55

“…But small creatures whose food chains were based on detritus would have a reasonable chance of survival.” :-)

 
 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-06-26 08:55:55

Yeah, I thought about our gal Brooksley Born when I read this. Who has the greater political power in this equation? My money is still on the megabanks. Sheila may have a bazooka but will be pressured hard to look the other way and leave it by her side.

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2010-06-26 00:25:46

Ben away for a long time. Death in the family, job went to crap. But things are picking up, found a new job (more money than before!). I now work in Plano Texas right across from the mall made famous for their attempt to buy a Home Depot so that no one would have to look at it from the mall parking lot. In fact they are still building “European Style Town Homes starting from $450k” next door to my office building. As far as I can tell, European Style means 3 floors with no elevators and no yard.

During my time off went camping in Big Bend National Park and drove through a lot of mid-size to little towns(Alpine, Marfa, Monahans, etc). One thing that stood out were all of the brand new hotels that seemed to have sprouted up like weeds. I just can’t believe there is that much demand or oil money to support all of them. (maybe its all of the wind farm money? They are an amazing sight to see though).

Marfa will be the last bastion of the housing bubble in Texas. An amazing amount of houses in almost tear down condition for sale at $250k+. This is a town with no jobs other than working in the border patrol or running one of the 20+ art galleries. Lots of NYC money in that town. And still only one bar in town.

Down around Big Bend it seems like every parcel of land is for sale. Several obvious attempts to buy a big acerage and sub-divide into $20-$100k lots. Lack of water seems to makes it seem like they are all trying to rook some city slickers out of their money.

Border patrol now drive four wheel ATVs and are all over down there. There is a checkpoint driving up from Big Bend where you are stopped, questioned and searched. Not too sure why Arizona is getting a bad rap when the Feds are doing the same thing.

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 06:34:51

“…job went to crap. But things are picking up, found a new job (more money than before!).”

Good for you, and good luck!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 08:09:22

So, how’s rents in your new area?

(I was planning a train/camping trip to Big Bend for Mr. Cole, that’s scratched, currently it’s listed just below a 5 day walkabout in Gaza) ;-)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 13:02:53

According to a report posted here last week, hotels are leading CRE foreclosures.

 
Comment by jane
2010-06-26 22:10:46

Congratulations on your new job! Hope the chemistry fits and the prospects are stable.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-06-26 04:55:06

A little video from Pensacola Beach. The Gulf coast is toast. Probably should be evacuated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO193f8xAls

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 07:04:11

It’s a real-life nightmare.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-26 07:31:40

That’s freaky. Makes me want to go there and check it out. How about a Pensacola meet-up?

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 09:47:28

It will be interesting (so long as you don’t own any) to see what happens to the price of Pensacola beach front property over the next several years.

I smell long term opportunity.

Comment by palmetto
2010-06-26 12:32:24

Right now, people are smelling crude along the Gulf. And getting sick because of it.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 13:05:22

Benzene and methane.

 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-06-26 07:57:38

Aren’t the residents of North Carolina known as the “tar heels”?

Maybe that name will be diluted amongst some of its neighboring states in the near future.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 08:18:25

America: Yes, No! or,… just trust’em to do it self-regulated but with loads of “promise & care”.

From a late evening post the other night:

Don’t,…Stop!…Don’t,…Stop!…Don’t,…Stop!…Don’t,…Stop!

BP Is Pursuing Alaska Drilling Some Call Risky:

By IAN URBINA Published: June 23, 2010 (Robbie Brown contributed reporting) NYT

“…But about three miles off the coast of Alaska, BP is moving ahead with a controversial and potentially record-setting project to drill two miles (10,000+ FEET) under the sea and then six to eight miles horizontally to reach what is believed to be a 100-million-barrel reservoir of oil under federal waters.

But BP’s project, called Liberty, has been exempted as regulators have granted it status as an “onshore” project even though it is about three miles off the coast in the Beaufort Sea. The reason: it sits on an artificial island — a 31-acre pile of gravel in about 22 feet of water — built by BP.
Rather than conducting their own independent analysis, federal regulators, in a break from usual practice, allowed BP in 2007 to write its own environmental review for the project as well as its own consultation documents relating to the Endangered Species Act, according to two scientists from the Alaska office of the federal Mineral Management Service that oversees drilling.

The environmental assessment was taken away from the agency’s unit that typically handles such reviews, and put in the hands of a different division that was more pro-drilling, said the scientists, who discussed the process because they remained opposed to how it was handled.

“The whole process for approving Liberty was bizarre,” one of the federal scientists said.

In promotional materials, BP acknowledges that the Liberty project will push boundaries of drilling technology.
To reduce weight on the rig, BP has developed a new steel alloy for the drill pipe.

So much force is needed to power a drill over such long distances that BP had to invest more than $200 million in what it describes as the largest land rig in the world.

If approved, the Liberty will be the longest horizontal well of its kind in the world. BP’s production plan for the Liberty notes that drilling studies only support horizontal wells up to 8.33 miles. Any horizontal wells longer than that, the plan says, “have not been studied.”

The scientists and other critics say they are worried about a replay of the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico because the Liberty project involves a method of drilling called extended reach that experts say is more prone to the types of gas kicks that triggered the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon.

The language of the “environmental consequences” sections of the final 2007 federal assessment and BP’s own assessment submitted earlier the same year are virtually identical.

 
Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 10:18:46

Just when it seemed the Gulf situation couldn’t get any worse, hurricane season happened along.

Tropical storm could halt Gulf cleanup efforts
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 26, 2010 12:52 p.m. EDT

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 12:19:31

Somewhere deep inside Big Oil’s emergency response manual, they have a complete section where this too was addressed.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 13:07:18

Yes. And that response is to continue issuing statements of concern and calling press conferences.

No lie. I’ve seen it.

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Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-26 16:19:21

A hurricane will suck up all of the oil to rain down on the residents of New Orleans and Pensacola. Free oil for everyone!

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-06-26 05:22:24

I think this is an investor newsletter that follows energy related stocks, etc. Interesting analysis of the Gulf spill and reaction.

http://www.petroleumworld.com/sf10062001.htm

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 07:05:14

Wow- that’s a scary read:

“The problem is that this methane, located deep in the bowels of the earth, is under tremendous pressure…

Some speculate as much as 100,000 psi — far too much for current technology to contain. The shutoff vales and safety measures were built for only 1,000 psi.

It was an accident waiting to happen… And there are many that say it could get worse — much worse.

Geologists are pointing to other fissures and cracks that are appearing on the ocean floor around the damaged wellhead.

Some geologists say that BP’s arrogance has set off a series of events that may be irreversible. There are some that think that BP has drilled into an deep-core oil volcano that cannot be stopped, regardless of the horizontal drills the company claims will stop the oil plume in August. “

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 09:54:07

Yawn…

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-06-26 10:36:07

Bolt-action rifles designed around 1900 were designed to handle chamber pressures of 40,000 to 60,000 PSI. I can’t believe double that pressure is beyond modern technology.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 11:14:04

It sounds like the problem may be if they cap the well, the ground around it won’t contain the pressure that they’ve tapped into. (The article also uses my balrog reference- you heard it here first!)

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Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-26 16:23:53

Anyone here remember the 1987 Lake Nyos disaster in Africa? A mass of CO2 dissipated from the lake, killing 1,700 people. Just sayin’.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-06-26 12:34:26

“I can’t believe double that pressure is beyond modern technology.”

It’s not, it’s just beyond BP’s ability to pay for it. Penny wise and pound foolish.

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Comment by oxide
2010-06-26 17:09:16

What about the relief wells?

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 13:09:38

Whocouldda knowed that the deeper you go, the more pressure there is?

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 05:29:30

In case you did not see my find posted too late yesterday…

Jim Cramer - “Why Obama is Bad for Stocks!”

http://tinyurl.com/2etlc4q

Comment by palmetto
2010-06-26 06:42:07

O is pretty much the kiss of death. He’s bad for his own party, all he has to do is endorse someone and ensure their defeat.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 07:56:09

Looks like I’ll have to add: MSNBC “TrueCrystalBall™” analyst to the list. ;-)

WATCH OUT!…IT”S an AMBUSH lil’ Opie!

Hey Lil’ Opie…the “Posse” is a-comin’ and theys is a Truly Angry son!… the “TruePurity™” “TrueAnger™” PeeParty tea toadlers have…“recruited and incredibly diverse army of thugs (characterized by The conniving State Attorney General Hedley Lamarr as ideally consisting of):

“rustlers, cutthroats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperadoes, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, half-wits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswagglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass kickers, shit kickers - and Methodists” …in addition to nearly every other kind of stock movie villain) into an ambush against ya.

Hwy’s quote modification from; “Blazing Saddles”

Faux News & WSJ = MUrDoch’s “True Chupacabra™”:

(goes good with coffee)

THE SATURDAY ESSAY, JUNE 26, 2010 …WSJ

The Feuding Fathers:

Americans lament the partisan venom of today’s politics, but for sheer verbal savagery, the country’s founders were in a league of their own. Ron Chernow on the Revolutionary origins of divisive discourse.

“…Feeding the venom of party strife was the unrestrained press. When the new government was formed in 1789, most newspapers still functioned as neutral publications, but they soon evolved into blatant party organs. Printing little spot news, with no pretense of journalistic objectivity, they specialized in strident essays. Authors often wrote behind the mask of Roman pseudonyms, enabling them to engage in undisguised savagery without fear of retribution. With few topics deemed taboo, the press lambasted the public positions as well as private morality of leading political figures. The ubiquitous James T. Callender typified the scandalmongers. From his poison-tipped pen flowed the expose of Hamilton’s dalliance with the young Maria Reynolds, which had prompted Hamilton, while treasury secretary, to pay hush money to her husband. Those Jeffersonians who applauded Callender’s tirades against Hamilton regretted their sponsorship several years later when he unmasked President Jefferson’s carnal relations with his slave Sally Hemings.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-26 06:53:29

I could not believe it when I read this article. Jim Cramer has been in love with and practically dating Obama and now he says the One sucks big time. They are both bad for America if you ask me.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 09:12:01

I agree. That’s why I said to myself “wow” when I read the article. I too thought Cramer was kissing O’s behind all this time.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-06-26 05:34:15

Here is one claim I hope BP does not pay.
“She’s out at least $48,000 in commissions”

Realtors along gulf lose contracts, hope as spill halts recovery of fragile market Enlarge Photo

Enlarge Photo In nearby Santa Maria Island, Joan Dickinson, 65, filed a claim with BP after buyers backed out of a contract for her home (pictured) last month, citing concerns about the oil spill. Dickinson has been trying to sell her home for more than two years. She’s got it on the market for $848,000. Photo courtesy of Joan Dickinson

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:50 p.m. Friday, June 25, 2010

Panhandle Realtor Deborah Orr has lost four home sales since the Deepwater Horizon oil spill branded the Sunshine State with a tar-spattered scarlet letter. She’s got the e-mails and canceled contracts to prove it.

“I have been up since 2 a.m. studying the spill. I believe the safest proactive move to make right now is to pull out,” a June 3 message reads.

Throughout the Panhandle and south to Monroe County, withdrawn sales contracts, abandoned vacation rentals and diminished property values are driving an increase in real estate claims made to oil giant BP.

And now there are numbers that begin to quantify the damage done to a fragile market just beginning to recover from the real estate crash.

According to claims data released by BP for Florida and other Gulf Coast states affected by the spill, 8,034 reports for loss of individual income from rental property have been filed, with BP paying more than $1.7 million in damages.

Individual loss claims from real estate sales gone awry totaled 817 as of Thursday, with BP writing checks for $138,212. About 1,450 commercial claims for rental and real estate values have been filed, with BP doling out $713,686.

It’s impossible to measure BP’s progress in responding to the real estate claims because its data don’t include the number of claims fulfilled or individual amounts. BP representatives said they could not locate that information despite repeated requests.

But Orr, whose Unique Panhandle Properties is in Panama City Beach, knows one thing: She’s out at least $48,000 in commissions because of the oil spill and BP hasn’t paid up yet. Orr filed four claims for herself and her agents nearly a month ago.

“I’m getting angrier and angrier,” Orr said about the oil reaching shore. “Our beaches have had it, they’ve gotten it, and every time I see what’s going on, I literally just start crying.”

Comment by palmetto
2010-06-26 06:18:04

Here is one claim I hope BP does not pay.
“She’s out at least $48,000 in commissions”

I hope BP doesn’t pay it, either, but it’s probably a very legitimate loss of business claim, backed by the solid documentation of withdrawal letters and cancelled contracts.

Comment by Kim
2010-06-26 09:14:39

I’m not saying this particular instance was fraud, but it would be super easy -for the purposes of conning BP - to come up with fake purchase agreements and fake withdrawl letters on real estate for sale throughout the gulf. I’m sure there is a lot of fraud happening already.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 13:29:29

Fraud? Along the southern Gulf coast? I find this hard to believe!

not. :lol:

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 07:28:21

BPs damages are going to be open-ended. Florida has whole cities built on beaches and tourism, if no tourists come because the beaches are tarred over, then theoretically almost everyone in town could have a claim. BP may have destroyed a whole section of the country. That’s gonna be expensive. (And that’s assuming the methane bubble doesn’t blow.)

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-06-26 08:02:54

I think the lawsuits will boil down to “proximate cause” issues. The RE market there was down before the spill anyway. These FBs are probably just itching for an excuse to blame someone else for their misfortune.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 09:06:20

I don’t think being down beforehand precludes being further damaged, but I agree proximate cause is going to be a major point of contention in the oncoming wave of lawsuits.

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-06-26 09:17:17

Some Louisiana Strippers Want A Piece Of The $20 Billion Put In Escrow By BP
Last Updated: June 24, 2010 at 10:16 pm

By Verily Prime
You know it would happen sooner or later… that everyone would be coming out of the woodworks to claim a piece of the loot placed into escrow by British Petroleum (BP). To that end, the British newspaper, The Observer, is reporting that a strip club, the “Mimosa Dancing Girls,” located in New Orleans, owners are requesting compensation for the loss of business due to the BP spill.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 13:56:21

Verily Prime is a good stripper name. (Equity stripper;-)

‘Strippers coming out of the woodwork’- there’s really too much material here to know where to start…

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-26 16:46:33

They need to turn their problem into profit. Haven’t they heard of oil wrestling?

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-06-26 17:45:25

DebtinNation

Are you in marketing? If not, you should be.

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-26 19:13:25

Um, actually I am. Degree in communications with an emphasis in advertising, but upon graduation, I felt that the ad biz was too slimey, so I strayed into graphic design instead.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-06-27 04:56:14

Beavis and Butt-head

HEH-HEH-HEH
He said graphic.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-26 05:37:18

There is a checkpoint driving up from Big Bend where you are stopped, questioned and searched.

And yet the illegals still slip through with near impunity.

Comment by skroodle
2010-06-26 16:01:36

Not in that part of Texas. In Marfa, Alpine, Monihans, etc there are no Hispanics. You go into a Dairy Queen or convenience store and you only see Anglos working the minimum wage jobs. The only Hispanic looking people I saw working were wearing the Border Patrol uniform.

 
 
Comment by ret
2010-06-26 05:53:35

Lookup:
“Baptist pastor beaten + tazed by Border patrol” on youtube.

I told them I was a US citizen.
I told them I was on a business trip.
I told them I had no drugs or humans in the car.

That wasn’t enough. They wanted to search the car, and I invoked my 4th amendment rights.

I DID NOT RESIST OR FIGHT BACK. YET I WAS TAZERED REPEATEDLY AND SHOVED IN BROKEN GLASS REPEATEDLY!

I was IN the United States!!! I had crossed no international border!!!

This occurred on the night of April 14/15, 2009

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-06-26 06:14:18

by Catherine Holland
Posted on May 26, 2010 at 6:14 AM

PHOENIX — A police officer was killed in an early morning in shooting in Phoenix Wednesday, and investigators said they have the suspect in custody.

Sgt. Trent Crump identified the victim as Officer Travis Murphy, 29, a four-and-a-half year veteran of the force out of the Squaw Peak Precinct.

The suspect Danny Martinez, 30, is under arrest and behind bars at the 4th Avenue Jail where he will have his initial appearance before a judge Wednesday evening.

The shooting happened at about 1 a.m. near a gas station and convenience store in the area of 19th and Fairmount avenues, south of Indian School Road.

It all started with reports of a suspicious vehicle driving with its lights off in the neighborhood. Somebody reportedly was trying to hide a Mustang in the carport or garage of a vacant home.

Details of what led up to the shooting are still being pieced together, but the shots were fired as Officer Murphy came upon Martinez and the Mustang.

Other officers who were on the scene didn’t wait for paramedics. They grabbed their wounded colleague and rushed Murphy in a patrol car to St. Joseph’s Hospital where he later died.

A witness who did not want to go on-camera said she heard what sounded like a car wreck not long before the shots rang out.

Martinez does have a criminal history and was in this country legally.

Officer Murphy leaves behind a wife, two-year-old daughter and two-week old baby boy. The 100 Club is reaching out to the family to provide their assistance.

Comment by palmetto
2010-06-26 06:26:31

Illegals and the drug cartels, heck, even some of the legals, are modern day Huns, every bit as violent and sadistic.

Google “Rape Tree”.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-06-26 06:25:18

Ask yourself: “Just how could all of this have been prevented? What is it that I could have done differently?”

Comment by palmetto
2010-06-26 06:29:16

“What is it that I could have done differently?”

I guess, I could have been more activist on this, years ago. Probably should have protested Reagan’s shamnasty, back in the day. But I was so self-centered and party-heartying at the time, I wasn’t even aware of it.

Comment by combotechie
2010-06-26 06:34:06

Choose your battles carefully.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-06-26 06:30:08

Arizona Sheriff Says Cops Are Being Killed by Illegal Aliens; Joins Call for U.S. Troops at Border
Tuesday, April 20, 2010
By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu says violence in Arizona by criminal illegal aliens has reached “epidemic proportions.” He spoke at a Capitol Hill news conference on Monday, April 19, 2010. (CNSNews.com/Penny Starr)(CNSNews.com) – Law enforcement officials from the Arizona counties hardest hit by illegal immigration say they want U.S. troops to help secure the border, to prevent the deaths of more officers at the hands of criminals who enter the country illegally.

“We’ve had numerous officers that have been killed by illegal immigrants in Arizona,” Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu said Monday at a Capitol Hill news conference. “And that shouldn’t happen one time.”

Babeu said the violence in Arizona has reached “epidemic proportions” and must be stopped. “In just one patrol area, we’ve had 64 pursuits — failure to yield for an officer — in one month,” Babeu said. “That’s out of control.”

The recent murder of Arizona rancher Robert Krentz, who was shot to death last month on his own property, apparently by an illegal alien, also has fueled public outrage.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-06-26 06:26:59

Arizona deputy shot with AK-47 by suspected illegal immigrant posted at 9:51 pm on April 30, 2010 by Allahpundit

I mentioned this in an update to the Connie Mack post but it’s worth a post of its own given the national interest in the state’s new statute. Which, incidentally, wasn’t being enforced here: It doesn’t go into effect for 90 days, or possibly for much longer if opponents have their way.

The wound is apparently superficial, thank goodness.
Pinal County sheriff’s Lt. Tamatha Villar says the deputy suffered a superficial wound to his abdomen after being shot with an AK-47 assault rifle Friday afternoon.

Villar says the deputy was doing smuggling interdiction work and found bales of marijuana in the desert. He then encountered five suspected illegal immigrants, two armed with rifles, and was shot.
At last check, the suspects were shooting at police helicopters in hot pursuit. More from CNN:

Pinal County is located between Phoenix and Tuscon and has been described as a key transit point for illegal immigrants. Sheriff Paul Babeu told CNN that an estimated 80 percent of illegal immigrants eventually pass through his county along the way to other locations.

 
Comment by SV guy
2010-06-26 08:56:06

“I told them I was a US citizen.
I told them I was on a business trip.
I told them I had no drugs or humans in the car.

That wasn’t enough. They wanted to search the car, and I invoked my 4th amendment rights.

I DID NOT RESIST OR FIGHT BACK. YET I WAS TAZERED REPEATEDLY AND SHOVED IN BROKEN GLASS REPEATEDLY!

I was IN the United States!!! I had crossed no international border!!!

This occurred on the night of April 14/15, 2009″

Is there anyone here who doesn’t find this alarming?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 12:07:56

Oh, well I was concerned 16 years ago when it was OK’d to use law enforcement w/guns & dogs to search for drugs on K-6th graders on the yellow school bus en-route to elementary school…no outrage, just quiet acquiescence…like in the 1930’s in Germany

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-06-26 12:10:23

I would have just let them search my car. But hey, that`s just me. I have been pulled over many times in my life, I have always been polite and cooperative and I never got the sh#t beat out of me or been tazered. Go figure.

The U.S. Border Patrol asked the Arizona Department of Public Safety to assist their Officers with a combative motorist who refused to cooperate at a checkpoint in the westbound lanes of Interstate 8. Steven L. Anderson, the combative motorist, was arrested by a DPS Officer for resisting a lawful order during the incident and booked into the Yuma County Jail.

Mr. Anderson never filed a complaint with DPS concerning his arrest but instead made a You-Tube video that featured his version of the events of that day.

An investigation by the Arizona Department of Public Safety’s Professional Standards Bureau is underway. DPS is looking at current agency policies and procedures that officers must comply with when requested by any agency to respond to checkpoints.

In this particular instance DPS will look at our Officer’s response and actions. We will offer no further comment on this incident until the investigation has been concluded.

*It should be noted that in 1976, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of Federal checkpoints near border areas to enforce laws prohibiting illegal immigration. This U.S. Border Patrol checkpoint along Interstate 8 is in compliance with federal law.*

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 06:19:56

* OPINION
* JUNE 25, 2010

A Weakened U.S. Goes to the G-20
In Toronto, summiteers will be courting China—not the U.S.—as the world’s pre-eminent source of dollar financing.

By GEORGE MELLOAN

Behind the power panoply at the G-20 summit in Toronto this weekend there also will be high anxiety. European leaders fret over the future of the euro at a time when bond buyers are wary of government red ink soaking the continent’s southern tier. The Chinese are facing an asset bubble similar to the one that collapsed and scuttled Japan’s economic miracle 20 years ago. The Japanese still are mired in economic stagnation dating from that event.

Barack Obama and his aides, however, will be taking the Alfred E. Neuman approach: “What, me worry?” That was evident in the pre-summit article on this page Wednesday by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council director Lawrence Summers. At a time of credit market jitters over rapidly rising international levels of government debt, the chief policy makers for a nation-state currently running a $1.5 trillion federal deficit are counseling their peers to be cautious about cutting back on spending.

Since the U.S. dollar is the world’s pre-eminent reserve and trading currency, that strange advice is a legitimate cause for concern. The economies these folks govern account for more than 80% of world production and trade.

The American leaders are under the illusion that their Keynesian spending and easy money policies actually have worked, 10% unemployment notwithstanding. They cite the weak recovery that has been underway in the U.S. since last summer as proof.

But what should trouble them is the fear that by borrowing hundreds of billions a year abroad to support spending excesses, the U.S. is rapidly tapping out its international credit card. Of some $5.5 trillion in marketable Treasury bonds outstanding, nearly $3 trillion are owned by foreigners, which makes the dollar subject vulnerable to international investor mood swings. It doesn’t reassure when U.S. economic policy makers say, in essence, that we can’t get off this merry-go-round without risking another recession. Cutting spending, it seems, is not an option in Washington’s view.

Ironically, it was only the European debt crisis that saved the U.S. from a dollar flight late last year. In an article recently published by the New York Council on Foreign Relations, University of Virginia economist Francis E. Warnock observes that at the end of the Federal Reserve’s crisis-driven direct purchases of Treasury securities late last year, the yield on 10-year Treasury bonds jumped 50 basis points to 3.75%. The dollar was sinking rapidly in foreign-exchange markets. But then Greek bonds came under attack and the euro crisis erupted. Foreign governments—China in particular—became fearful of the euro’s future and came scurrying back to the relative safety of the dollar. The dollar rose again and U.S. bonds stabilized.

Mr. Melloan, a former columnist and deputy editor of the Journal editorial page, is the author of “The Great Money Binge: Spending Our Way to Socialism” (Simon & Schuster, 2009).

Comment by neuromance
2010-06-26 13:30:25

Of some $5.5 trillion in marketable Treasury bonds outstanding, nearly $3 trillion are owned by foreigners, which makes the dollar subject vulnerable to international investor mood swings. It doesn’t reassure when U.S. economic policy makers say, in essence, that we can’t get off this merry-go-round without risking another recession. Cutting spending, it seems, is not an option in Washington’s view.

Combine unwavering belief in Keynesian stimulus and politicians’ addiction to spending money, and you have a recipe for runaway debt.

The US has been juicing its economy for debt for a long time, took off hugely with Reagan. But deficit spending is like jumping on a tiger’s back. If you get off, it’ll eat you.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2010-06-26 15:39:29

You can ignore this guy. The article makes no sense. He writes the following:

the U.S. is rapidly tapping out its international credit card. Of some $5.5 trillion in marketable Treasury bonds outstanding, nearly $3 trillion are owned by foreigners, which makes the dollar subject vulnerable to international investor mood swings.

If we were actually tapping out our credit card, that would mean that people here at home and around the world are becoming reluctant to buy U.S. bonds. In fact, quite the opposite is happening. Interest rates on U.S. govenrment debt is very low. The fact that roughly half of our outstanding debt is owned by foreigners. At this point, they see U.S. bonds as one of the best places in the world to park their money.

Comment by technovelist
2010-06-26 17:08:01

Ha ha, very funny. As if you didn’t know that the market for Treasury debt is the Federal Reserve and a bunch of hand puppets!

Comment by MightyMike
2010-06-26 17:50:35

No, those foreigners are still buying it. As I said, the Chinese and the rest of them still think it’s a great place to park their money.
Whenever the economy starts growing nicely again, 3 or 4 years from now, things will probably be different and we’ll see significant increases in interest rates.

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Comment by neuromance
2010-06-26 19:10:20

Something to warm the goldbugs’ hearts - a 220lb 99.9999% pure Canadian gold coin:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100625/lf_nm_life/us_austria_gold_coin

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 06:26:30

The most important aspect of this current wave of articles questioning the wisdom of Keynesian stimulus is not so much that Keynes may finally be on his way to the grave, 50 years after his worldly demise, but rather the tacit acknowledgment that we are not out of the woods yet, withered green shoots rhetoric notwithstanding. Policy chaos may result if this debate gets carried too far.

* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* JUNE 26, 2010

The Keynesian Dead End
Spending our way to prosperity is going out of style.

Today’s G-20 meeting has been advertised as a showdown between the U.S. and Europe over more spending “stimulus,” and so it is. But the larger story is the end of the neo-Keynesian economic moment, and perhaps the start of a healthier policy turn.

For going on three years, the developed world’s economic policy has been dominated by the revival of the old idea that vast amounts of public spending could prevent deflation, cure a recession, and ignite a new era of government-led prosperity. It hasn’t turned out that way.

Now the political and fiscal bills are coming due even as the U.S. and European economies are merely muddling along. The Europeans have had enough and want to swear off the sauce, while the Obama Administration wants to keep running a bar tab. So this would seem to be a good time to examine recent policy history and assess the results.
***

Like many bad ideas, the current Keynesian revival began under George W. Bush. Larry Summers, then a private economist, told Congress that a “timely, targeted and temporary” spending program of $150 billion was urgently needed to boost consumer “demand.” Democrats who had retaken Congress adopted the idea—they love an excuse to spend—and the politically tapped-out Mr. Bush went along with $168 billion in spending and one-time tax rebates.

The cash did produce a statistical blip in GDP growth in mid-2008, but it didn’t stop the financial panic and second phase of recession. So enter Stimulus II, with Mr. Summers again leading the intellectual charge, this time as President Obama’s adviser and this time suggesting upwards of $500 billion. When Congress was done two months later, in February 2009, the amount was $862 billion. A pair of White House economists famously promised that this spending would keep the unemployment rate below 8%.

Seventeen months later, and despite historically easy monetary policy for that entire period, the jobless rate is still 9.7%. Yesterday, the Bureau of Economic Analysis once again reduced the GDP estimate for first quarter growth, this time to 2.7%, while economic indicators in the second quarter have been mediocre. As the nearby table shows, this is a far cry from the snappy recovery that typically follows a steep recession, most recently in 1983-84 after the Reagan tax cuts.

The response at the White House and among Congressional leaders has been . . . Stimulus III. While talking about the need for “fiscal discipline” some time in the future, President Obama wants more spending today to again boost “demand.” Thirty months after Mr. Summers won his first victory, we are back at the same policy stand.

The difference this time is that the Keynesian political consensus is cracking up. In Europe, the bond vigilantes have pulled the credit cards of Greece, Portugal and Spain, with Britain and Italy in their sights. Policy makers are now making a 180-degree turn from their own stimulus blowouts to cut spending and raise taxes. The austerity budget offered this month by the new British government is typical of Europe’s new consensus.

To put it another way, Germany’s Angela Merkel has won the bet she made in early 2009 by keeping her country’s stimulus far more modest. We suspect Mr. Obama will find a political stonewall this weekend in Toronto when he pleads with his fellow leaders to join him again for a spending spree.

Meanwhile, in Congress, even many Democrats are revolting against Stimulus III. The original White House package of jobless benefits and aid to the states had to be watered down several times, and the latest version failed again in the Senate late this week. (See below.) Mr. Obama is having his credit card pulled too—not by the bond markets, but by a voting public that sees the troubles in Europe and is telling pollsters that it doesn’t want a Grecian bath.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 08:00:17

The *Wall Street* Journal is on quite an anti-Keynesian jihad lately, trying desperately to tie the current GD and its unpopular bailouts to the theories of Keynes, when in actuality the easy-money, easy -regulation party that created the bust were driven by a non-Keynesian, laissez faire ‘maestro’- Greenspan.

And, of course, flooding Wall Street with money was a monetarist response to the crisis, and Bernanke openly considers himself to be a monetarist (ie follower of Milton Friedman.) Still, the Right is fixated in the idea that Keynes is behind everything.

I suspect it’s just because it’s easier to frame it that way in the minds of their followers- monetarism and Milton Friedman being a bridge too far for the dittoheads’ heads. Can’t fit it in a 2 minute fox news soundbite.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 11:41:50

Or is it because they fear a return to Keynesian economics- under which they were more highly regulated, and less corrupt, than at any other time in their history? Oh- and the rest of the country did great during the same period, having far fewer and milder booms and busts, instead experiencing long-term growth that was shared by people other than the financial elite.

We even had a middle-class.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 13:36:08

How come you almost never hear about voodoo, er, supply side economics here? Because that’s the system we’ve been operating under since Raygun.

Not Keynesian or any of the other “schools”, but supply side.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 14:49:07

Supply side economics, with the understood fall-back of a monetarist ‘flood the system with money’ bailout when it inevitably failed. And then blame the welfare queens- half the country will believe you just because it feels right.

They played it well, you must admit. And they still have their apologists, as well as their billion$.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 10:19:50

China = “TrueBambooLie™”

Hwy scatters US dollars for excrement absorption:

What a bunch of scared chickens…”Buk buk buk buk brrr-awk!”…”Buk buk buk buk brrr-awk!”

Do chickens poop more when they are scared? How much can 1.3 Billion asian chickens poop? ;-)

 
 
Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 06:31:58

There is almost too much good news on U.S. housing right now to take it all in!

The Economist
The housing market
Double-dip drama
Feeble figures fuel fears

Jun 24th 2010 | Washington, dc

MORE than the European debt crisis is keeping American economic policymakers awake at night just now. Despite a year of government effort, a tentative recovery in the housing market appears to be on the verge of stalling.

Home prices have now fallen for the past six months, according to the Case-Shiller home-price index, after rising from their nadir for the five months before that. (Another index, from the Federal Housing Finance Agency, has, however, shown a slight uptick in March and April.) As for sales volumes, last September home sales soared in anticipation of the planned expiry of a government housing-tax credit, only to tumble thereafter, despite the extension of the deadline to April this year. As the new deadline approached sales duly climbed again. But the latest data show that even before the credit window closed, fewer sales were going through (see chart). Sales of new homes fell 33% from April to May, nearly the worst performance since the bust began.

It is not as if the government has not tried. After the housing crash, millions of homeowners—a full quarter of those with mortgages—had loans larger than the value of their homes. Barack Obama hoped to prevent defaults with a plan designed to encourage banks to refinance the mortgages of those unable to pay. On the demand side, the Federal Reserve held down mortgage rates by buying up mortgage-backed securities, while Congress offered a generous tax credit to qualifying buyers.

These programmes have not worked as well as had been hoped. Affordability is no longer the driving factor behind foreclosures; borrowers who took on more debt than they could handle defaulted on their loans long ago. Instead, the problem is negative equity. A borrower deeply underwater on his mortgage may have no choice but to default if he loses his job, since a sale would entail a huge loss. And a growing number of underwater borrowers are opting simply to walk away from mortgages that they can in fact afford.

Banks are balking at rewriting mortgages, despite incentives to do so. Too often borrowers default later on. The latest data on the government’s programme show that 400,000 loans have been renegotiated—far less than the goal of 3m-4m. Neither have government incentives to buy houses helped much. Credits may have done little more than move sales around.

The steady drumbeat of foreclosures has continued; they have been running at a rate of over 300,000 filings a month for the past 15 months. By some estimates, it will take more than eight years of normal sales to clear the stock of houses now held by banks. This overhang holds down prices, meaning that the road out of negative equity is a long one.

Yet policy failures can be blamed only so much. A new report from Harvard University’s Joint Centre for Housing Studies notes that, historically, sustained housing recoveries are far more dependent on job growth than on factors like the level of interest rates. So May’s disappointing jobs figures, showing that the private sector added just 41,000 workers, was doubly bad news. With nearly 15m Americans still out of work, a real turnaround could be a long time coming.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 08:32:34

“Feeble figures fuel fears”

Fog-brained fools flout fears.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-26 08:47:52

Half-baked housing-recovery hindered by hard-hitting harsh-reality, hampered by homeowner hardship.

 
 
Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-26 17:02:21

“Affordability is no longer the driving factor behind foreclosures; borrowers who took on more debt than they could handle defaulted on their loans long ago. Instead, the problem is negative equity”

Of course, if homes were more affordable, maybe the new FB’s wouldn’t be in negative equity territory now.

 
 
Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 06:51:12

Get ready for the CRA apologist brigade to jump in here and correct me for once again bringing up their role in the recent collapse of U.S. credit markets.

* The Wall Street Journal
* LETTERS
* JUNE 26, 2010

Let’s Give Really Free Markets a Chance for a Change

Mr. Kaletsky still doesn’t get it. He takes it as a given that the most recent collapse of the financial system was the result of pathologies inherent within the capital-market system, specifically greed and fear. His answer—get ready for a really new idea—is more government regulation. In fact, the entire borrowing and lending process, which is the essence of every credit system will, if left alone, evaluate the capacity of those who borrow to pay what they owe and lend accordingly. (Mistakes are made but over time mistakes are, on balance, self-correcting.)

The present credit-system freeze is the product not of the normal credit process but of President Bill Clinton’s aggressive expansion of the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act and the assurance to primary mortgage lenders that the government would, through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, buy and resell bundled mortgages. The virus for eventual disaster was planted with the essential mandate that banks which didn’t participate would pay a price. In this setting the emergence of an international market for these “securitized investment vehicles” should have surprised no one. It also shouldn’t have been a surprise that a credit system in which pure economics has been displaced by pure politics cannot last.

It’s amazing that Mr. Kaletsky is still surprised. But how would his preference for government regulation have avoided this? What would regulators have needed to know and when would they have needed to know it? They would have needed to know that trillions of dollars were being loaned to people whose ability to service their debt was doubtful, and they would have needed to know this before it all began. But, most importantly, they would have needed to have had the power to stop the rest of the federal government from forcing banks to make such loans. Was there a problem? Of course. Was it a problem integral to the market process? No, it was an aberration. Did it originate on Wall Street? No, it originated on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. That’s where it will have to be solved, but not in the way Mr. Kaletsky seems to prefer.

Charles D. Van Eaton

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-26 07:27:28

But Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are the only ones who can figure out a solution to “crisis”. They are like modern superheros and the future of the free world is at stake.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 09:05:31

“…They would have needed to know that trillions of dollars were being loaned to people whose ability to service their debt was doubtful, and they would have needed to know this before it all began.”

? :-)

How many Trillions $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ would have been loaned if mortgage interest rates were 14+%

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 09:21:04

The period with the least financial fraud and busts was the period of the heaviest financial regulation- the post WW2 period. It began to become unmoored during the Reagan revolution, finally crashing and breaking apart in the current bust. To blame regulation for this bust is laughable. It was deregulation that allowed Wall Street, using the cover of CRAs, to get false ratings and sell off the loans to unsuspecting fools, and in the process make a fortune.

Were CRAs part of the scam- the cover, as it were? Of course. And now the defense they concocted all those years ago is produced for the dittoheads: “We were forced to loan to you-know-whoies by the big bad gov. They forced us to lie, collude, and make billions. Once again, welfare queens have destroyed the country.”

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 13:45:20

Why apologize when you can use facts? But hey, don’t let the fact get in your way.

I refer to that bastion of liberal socialism, the WSJ:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124657539489189043.html (nice chart as well)

New Evidence on the Foreclosure Crisis
Zero money down, not subprime loans, led to the mortgage meltdown.

Many policy makers and ordinary people blame the rise of foreclosures squarely on subprime mortgage lenders who presumably misled borrowers into taking out complex loans at low initial interest rates. Those hapless individuals were then supposedly unable to make the higher monthly payments when their mortgage rates reset upwards.

But the focus on subprimes ignores the widely available industry facts (reported by the Mortgage Bankers Association) that 51% of all foreclosed homes had prime loans, not subprime, and that the foreclosure rate for prime loans grew by 488% compared to a growth rate of 200% for subprime foreclosures. (These percentages are based on the period since the steep ascent in foreclosures began — the third quarter of 2006 — during which more than 4.3 million homes went into foreclosure.)

Seriously, do you people never tire of being proved wrong? Ever heard of “Google?”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 14:01:53

Blaming it on the welfare queens is in their DNA. Literally.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 07:01:16

What’s in the financial reform bill?

- Establishes new national minimum underwriting standards for home mortgages.

- Lenders are required for the first time to ensure a borrower can repay a home loan by verifying income, credit history and job status.

- Bans payments to brokers for steering borrowers to high-priced loans.

Barn door left open
All of the horses have fled
Hurry, shut the door!

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-06-26 07:38:13

Which means less and less sales of homes for years to come.

Comment by robin
2010-06-26 21:56:21

Yes, NYC. It also means lower demand and lower prices. Kinda like things should have been all along - :)

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 07:45:10

Obvious implications of tighter lending standards:

- There will be a period of adjustment over the next several years to realign home prices with local incomes.

- Given the juxtaposition of high unemployment with a reinstitution of prudential mortgage lending standards, those who wish to sell homes will find it difficult to find qualified buyers willing and able to pay anywhere near 2006 prices.

- Those who buy in the near term are likely to face a period of several years when the sales price of comparable homes steadily declines relative to local incomes and rents.

- Those in the business of selling homes, including builders and UHS, are likely to face several more years of lean sales, due to a persistent liquidity gap due to buyers who are not qualified, based on their incomes, credit histories, and job statuses, to pay anywhere near what sellers trying to sell their homes for enough to pay off debt obligations would require.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 07:47:10

Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, “In my dream I was standing on the bank of the Nile, 18 when out of the river there came up seven cows, fat and sleek, and they grazed among the reeds. 19 After them, seven other cows came up—scrawny and very ugly and lean. I had never seen such ugly cows in all the land of Egypt. 20 The lean, ugly cows ate up the seven fat cows that came up first. 21 But even after they ate them, no one could tell that they had done so; they looked just as ugly as before. Then I woke up.

22 “In my dreams I also saw seven heads of grain, full and good, growing on a single stalk. 23 After them, seven other heads sprouted—withered and thin and scorched by the east wind. 24 The thin heads of grain swallowed up the seven good heads. I told this to the magicians, but none could explain it to me.”

25 Then Joseph said to Pharaoh, “The dreams of Pharaoh are one and the same. God has revealed to Pharaoh what he is about to do. 26 The seven good cows are seven years, and the seven good heads of grain are seven years; it is one and the same dream. 27 The seven lean, ugly cows that came up afterward are seven years, and so are the seven worthless heads of grain scorched by the east wind: They are seven years of famine.

28 “It is just as I said to Pharaoh: God has shown Pharaoh what he is about to do. 29 Seven years of great abundance are coming throughout the land of Egypt, 30 but seven years of famine will follow them. Then all the abundance in Egypt will be forgotten, and the famine will ravage the land. 31 The abundance in the land will not be remembered, because the famine that follows it will be so severe. 32 The reason the dream was given to Pharaoh in two forms is that the matter has been firmly decided by God, and God will do it soon.

Genesis 41

Comment by DennisN
2010-06-26 08:14:56

Let me guess….

2000-2007 are fat and sleek cows.

2008-2015 are lean and ugly cows.

Who was pharoah in 2000? Was it Slick Willie and the blue dress of many colors?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 08:23:24

Yes — Yes — Yes —…

BTW, are you going to be around the week of Sept 11? I will be in Boise…

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-06-26 08:45:37

Probably. Not much income translates into not much traveling. My junk email is flufferdoodle at hotmail .

And did Pharaoh Clinton bless the prophet Greenspan, and say unto his courtiers “Could we find another like him, a man in whom is the spirit of God?”

And removing his signet ring from his hand, Pharaoh Clinton put it on Greenspan’s hand.

Thus he placed him all over the land of Wall Street.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 10:40:49

Awesome posts, even for a non-religious person to read through those Biblical analogies. Very profound implications of the financial reform bill like you guys say - house prices drifting lower for more years. This is the nail in the coffin for the myth of houses as an investment, particularly in flyover country.

Why would anyone want a starter home in the next few years? Assuming “starter” implies a means for “moving up” to a custom home that you really want to live in. And if no one wants a starter home, prices of those will fall more, and rentals will be added onto the rental supply, and rents will continue to fall.

Cash plus debt-free plus renting = freedom.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 11:26:10

This is the nail in the coffin for the myth of houses as an investment, particularly in flyover country.

Perhaps if it were being preached from the altars of the suburban megachurches, but we haven’t reached that point- yet.

It would be interesting if the christers began preaching, and, more importantly, following, debt-free lifestyles. There’s certainly plenty of biblical support for it. Talk about a schism in the republican party! They’d have to send Palin out again to lead the flock back to good, wholesome consumerism.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 13:50:45

Isn’t flyovervcountry RE currently the most stable?

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 14:18:30

Yes, but I think you are well aware that most red states are dull places. Just because you can easily afford to live in a $57,000 Indiana house only means you have a $57,000 Indiana house and not a $600,000 Santa Cruz condo.

I know immigrant friends in Los Angeles who visited Myrtle Beach, SC to go house hunting. Even gave frequent flier miles to my girlfriend to go there a few years back. All because they were affordable. Yet she realized she would not fit in with the Myrtle Beach crowd. She and her friend encountered tough looking people there. Her friend bought a five bedroom house in the Dallas area for $120,000 because houses are affordable.

It is beyond my comprehension why people would anchor themselves to a particular area only because homes are affordable. And the jobs in Myrtle Beach? What jobs?

Although I split with that girlfriend, I did her a great favor. I advised her over and over to stay out of real estate back in 2007. She was hoping to get in. I told her the bubble is bursting. I advised her to keep her $500,000 parked in CDs. It’s the good deed I did for her.

 
 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-06-26 18:54:18

In response to the above passages, I had a dream about 2 years ago to stock up on food and water at our house. We now have enough non-perishable food to last us for about 3 weeks, and 30-40 gallons of water. We don’t use much of it, and it isn’t of the finest, but we could get by with no electricity for that long. We would be out of gas, of course, but we could get by and not have to go out. I believe that we have seen nothing yet…

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Comment by Silverback1011
2010-06-26 18:55:33

I should say, the canned food isn’t of the finest (I mean, how much fun is canned chicken ), but we could get by without any electricity to even cook it, for about 3 weeks.

 
 
 
 
 
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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 10:32:37

Feds seize Arrowhead Credit Union:

Friday, June 25, 2010 By KIMBERLY PIERCEALL, The Press-Enterprise

Customers at the credit union’s Inland branches were either confused or undeterred by the news.

“I’m not really worried,” said Jeremy Prince, 22, of San Bernardino, a teacher who was at the branch off Sierra Way. “The government has my back and that’s a good thing.”

Paul Friend, a 53-year-old tow-truck operator from the High Desert, was assured by the fact that his deposits were insured.

“I have faith in them. As long as they honor my checks, it’s OK with me,” he said.

Joy Tiggs, a Moreno Valley resident who left the credit union’s Riverside branch off Magnolia Avenue and La Sierra Boulevard on Friday, was less assured.

“I don’t know what it means but it doesn’t sound good,” she said.

Arrowhead Credit Union opened in 1949 and has grown from serving San Bernardino County employees to serving residents throughout Riverside and San Bernardino counties.

Friday afternoon, as bank officials met with regulators and notified employees, customers continued with their business, most unaware that anything unusual was happening.

“No decisions have been made about what the longer term future is,”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 10:37:03

aladinsane must have made copies of his tin-foil pyramid power hat: :-)

from the comments section:

Arthur Cabral:
It seems that the vast majority do not understand pecuniary operations like fractural reserve banking. The entire system is based on an axiom that includes infinite expansion within a finite system, therefore there is a built in failure. The entire gestalt is ponzi. An entity like the federal reserve is shoehorned into law, and thus a privately owned corporation assumes the role of “shadow government”. - By using calculated inflation and atrophy of the value through regulating the number of bills in circulation, this entity soon commandeers all profitable enterprise, and uses campaign finance to usurp control of oversight by political elect. The stock exchange and sum of media services is used to lure foreign investment, and this is swindled away through “financial products” such as “derivatives”, and “repo - transactions” (fraud) while all federal funds are eventually redirected into private accounts. CAFR, or Confidential Asset Financial Reports are issued to military commanders and private media elite like TV and Radio stations in order to maintain order. When the stupendous burden of securities exchange finally topples the currency by vastly exceeding gross domestic product, there is a collapse, as we are now witnessing, and the value of currency goes to zero. A new, or “adjusted” currency (Amero) is introduced, and the game begins again. It starts with lending vastly in excess of holdings for the sake of interest on returns. Fortunes are made for a few borrowers and speculators at the expense of workers and savers. Illicit speculation and unlimited borrowing based on federally issued securities is politically sanctioned crime. Usury is the method of robbing the people by banksters who support politically elected lapdogs. okay, so what!

Joseph M:

Your post was worth at least 3 college credits… After reading it, I can finally graduate from the University of Phoenix.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 07:31:09

Bank overhaul fails to rein in “too big.”

Small wonder the bulls were running in the Street yesterday.

* HEARD ON THE STREET
* JUNE 26, 2010

A Bank Overhaul Too Weak to Hail

By PETER EAVIS

In democracies, the people are said to get the laws they deserve. But if American taxpayers had formulated a financial-overhaul bill, it likely would have looked very different from what will be known as the Dodd-Frank Act.

Of course, Congress and powerful interests always water down legislation to meet their own ends. The outcome for financial overhaul, however, is particularly relevant for taxpayers who spent and pledged hundreds of billions of dollars to bail out the system.

The act’s biggest failing: It does little to solve the too-big-to-fail problem that caused such trouble in the crisis. If any of the 10 largest banks, whose $10.4 trillion in assets are equivalent to nearly 80% of gross domestic product, hit serious trouble, the government would have to step in to prevent a systemic meltdown.

True, the overhaul tries to protect taxpayers in rescues, but it also enshrines the bailout architecture, and thus the too-big-to-fail distortions.

There was never any real chance that bank size would be reduced to the point where they would be made small enough to fail. But there was some hope that parts of the overhaul—like the “Volcker rule,” which focused on scaling back proprietary trading, and the Blanche Lincoln amendment, which aimed to force derivatives-trading risk out of federally insured lenders—would at least cut banks’ riskiest activities. But both Volcker and Lincoln were softened in the face of lobbying.

The bill leaves much of the responsibility for avoiding further banking crises on regulators. Although the banking system and economy became unstable in part under the Federal Reserve’s oversight, the central bank has retained huge responsibilities under the overhaul. How it and other watchdogs interpret the new rules and how proactively they use their new powers to head off problems will decide how safe the system really is.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 07:38:45

This proverb certainly does apply to the knife catchers who took $8K in stimulus money as sufficient incentive to buy a home last year. Hair-of-the-dog ain’t all that!

Marry in haste, repent at leisure.

Prov. If you marry someone you do not know well, or decide to marry someone without first carefully considering what you are doing, you will probably regret it for a long time. Sally wanted some time to consider Sam’s proposal of marriage; she had heard the saying, “Marry in haste, and repent at leisure.”

A special report on debt
Repent at leisure
Borrowing has been the answer to all economic troubles in the past 25 years. Now debt itself has become the problem, says Philip Coggan

Jun 24th 2010

MAN is born free but is everywhere in debt. In the rich world, getting hold of your first credit card is a rite of passage far more important for your daily life than casting your first vote. Buying your first home normally requires taking on a debt several times the size of your annual income. And even if you shun the temptation of borrowing to indulge yourself, you are still saddled with your portion of the national debt.

Throughout the 1980s and 1990s a rise in debt levels accompanied what economists called the “great moderation”, when growth was steady and unemployment and inflation remained low. No longer did Western banks have to raise rates to halt consumer booms. By the early 2000s a vast international scheme of vendor financing had been created. China and the oil exporters amassed current-account surpluses and then lent the money back to the developed world so it could keep buying their goods.

Those who cautioned against rising debt levels were dismissed as doom-mongers; after all, asset prices were rising even faster, so balance-sheets looked healthy. And with the economy buoyant, debtors could afford to meet their interest payments without defaulting. In short, it paid to borrow and it paid to lend.

Like alcohol, a debt boom tends to induce euphoria. Traders and investors saw the asset-price rises it brought with it as proof of their brilliance; central banks and governments thought that rising markets and higher tax revenues attested to the soundness of their policies.

The answer to all problems seemed to be more debt. Depressed? Use your credit card for a shopping spree “because you’re worth it”. Want to get rich quick? Work for a private-equity or hedge-fund firm, using borrowed money to enhance returns. Looking for faster growth for your company? Borrow money and make an acquisition. And if the economy is in recession, let the government go into deficit to bolster spending. When the European Union countries met in May to deal with the Greek crisis, they proposed a €750 billion ($900 billion) rescue programme largely consisting of even more borrowed money.

Debt increased at every level, from consumers to companies to banks to whole countries. The effect varied from country to country, but a survey by the McKinsey Global Institute found that average total debt (private and public sector combined) in ten mature economies rose from 200% of GDP in 1995 to 300% in 2008 (see chart 1 for a breakdown by country). There were even more startling rises in Iceland and Ireland, where debt-to-GDP ratios reached 1,200% and 700% respectively. The burdens proved too much for those two countries, plunging them into financial crisis. Such turmoil is a sign that debt is not the instant solution it was made out to be. The market cheer that greeted the EU package for Greece lasted just one day before the doubts resurfaced.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 08:29:43

Them that understands interest, gets it.

Them that don’t understands it, pays it.

INTEREST NEVER SLEEPS

“Interest never sleeps nor sickens nor dies;
it never goes to the hospital;
it works on Sundays and holidays;
it never takes a vacation;
it never visits nor travels;
it takes no pleasure;
it is never laid off work nor discharged from employment;
it never works on reduced hours. . . .

Once in debt,
interest is your companion every minute of the day and night;
you cannot shun it or slip away from it;
you cannot dismiss it;
it yields neither to entreaties, demands, or orders;
and whenever you get in its way or cross its course or fail to meet its demands, it crushes you.”

- J. Reuben Clark -

Comment by dude
2010-06-26 12:33:09

Nice. BTW, G.B. Hinkley gave a talk in ‘98 with the pharoah’s dream scripture as his text.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 19:13:00

Dude — You probably suspect by now that I am 98 percent LDS. It’s that last 2 percent that is my sticking point… and I suspect I am too cantankerous to fit in with Mormon culture.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2010-06-26 21:49:44

That’s what they all say. Only one way to find out :-P.

 
Comment by dude
2010-06-26 23:14:51

Cantankerous is my middle name, there’s always room for one more.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 08:53:37

“You have a house appraised @ $675,000… you’re both in you’re ’70’s turning the dial on 26″ TV with no digital inputs or outputs, Dad collects stamps, Mom talks to flowers when she’s not buying dad t-shirts for .50 cents after going to x6 thrift stores…and, and , you’re willing to let ALL THAT EQUITY, just sit there, doing nothing! Sis, they’re WHACKED! Mom will wind up giving everything to the adopt-a-cat society!”

True BIL conversation (relayed from a 3rd party)…

(backstory: BIL had a old HS buddy suddenly pop back into his life, drove up in a Corvette one day, destitute…but just previously to this Sit-U-Ation, he was a licensed UHS, been talking sweet things to BIL ears…) he resembles this fella:

http://www.cartoonspot.net/looney-tunes/picture/coyote-1.jpg

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 11:05:22

Throughout the 1980s and 1990s a rise in debt levels accompanied what economists called the “great moderation”

The Reagan Revolution’s fingerprints are all over the crime scene.

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 11:46:43

Lots of folks (my dad included) saw the Ray-gun debt binge for what it was as it unfolded during the 1980s. Who’d've thunk the bitter harvest would take three decades to ripen, though? In the long run, Ray-gun died before his Keynesian hair-of-the-dog stimuli bit those who must remain in the back of the neck.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 12:11:45

Who’d have thought the Keynesian disaster would take seven decades to ripen? That’s even more peculiar than Reagan’s Keynesianism.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 19:15:38

Ray-gun was an economicus ignoramus. He probably didn’t even realize that his deficit spending stimulus was following the defunct economist Keynes’ prescription…

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by ACH
2010-06-26 07:48:57

I went on vacation to Apalachicola, Fl last week. There was no oil and the sea was beautiful!
I did get a case of the Green Shoots, though. Bad case, too.

Roidy
(aka FS)

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 08:17:26

What will it be: Stagnation, default, inflation or growth?

And wither the symbiosis?

A special report on debt
In a hole
Stagnation, default or inflation await. The only way out is growth

Jun 24th 2010

The relationship between China and America has been described as vendor financing, in which the Chinese lend the Americans the money to buy their cheap manufactured goods; a collapse in American demand would cause substantial unemployment (and social unrest) in China.

The longstanding system of vendor financing may have encouraged the rich world to concentrate on consumption rather than investment and to enjoy the resulting “artificial” growth, like a child on a sugar high. Richard Koo, who wrote a book about the Japanese recession, “The Holy Grail of Macroeconomics”, refers to a debt-financed boom as “cherry-blossom” economics. He recounts the tale of the two brothers who bought a barrel of sake to sell to revellers at Japan’s cherry-blossom festival. But instead of taking money from the thirsty crowd, each brother charged the other for a cup of sake, then used the proceeds to buy a cup for himself, and so on. The brothers ended the day drunk and empty-handed.

Jeremy Grantham of GMO, a fund-management group, is a detached and cynical observer of the financial and economic scene. The way he sees it, “all debt seems to do is bring growth forward a little. If you get people to spend 1% more than their income every year, after 20 years they are going backwards because interest expense is eating up more of their salary.”

Robert Bergqvist, chief economist at SEB Group in Sweden, is equally pessimistic. “The leverage-led growth model is dead,” he says. “Households and corporates can increase borrowing and enhance today’s consumption and investments but that requires that we can assume higher future incomes and expected returns and/or rising asset values. And this is not certain.”

 
Comment by Eddie
2010-06-26 08:21:07

Flew out of ATL on Wednesday. North parking lot was 100% full. South lot was 99% full…got there and there were only 9 spots open. Some recession we’re having huh.

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 11:41:01

Thanks to the first-time homebuyer tax credit, the Fed’s MBS purchase program, the FHA/FRE/FNM federal mortgage guarantees, and various other stimuli, the recession is definitely over already, especially as regards housing.

Go out and buy yerself 10 investment homes to celebrate!

The Financial Times of London
New home sales drop to record low
By Alan Rappeport in New York
Published: June 24 2010 03:00 | Last updated: June 24 2010 03:00

Sales of new homes in the US plunged to a record low in May, revealing how reliant the struggling housing market has been on the crutch of government support and raising fears of another downturn.

Analysts expected home sales would slump after the $8,000 first-time homebuyer tax credit expired at the end of April. However, the decline has been more severe than anticipated, fuelling anxiety about a “double dip” for the market that dragged the US into recession three years ago.

Official figures showed yesterday that new home sales dropped by 32.7 per cent from April to May to an annual rate of 300,000. That was the lowest level since the commerce department began keeping such records in 1963 and was the sharpest such fall.

Compared with May 2009, new home sales are off by 18.3 per cent.

“The next few months are likely to be very grim,” said Ian Shepherdson, chief US economist at High Frequency Economics.

During the previous two months, new home sales surged by nearly 30 per cent, as buyers rushed to make purchases before the tax credit’s expiration. Economists argue that the credit shifted demand forward to a greater degree than they expected.

“People had the incentive to purchase right away,” said Ashley Bynum, an estate agent at Atlanta’s Harry Norman Realtors.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-06-26 14:39:31

“North parking lot was 100% full. South lot was 99% full…got there and there were only 9 spots open.”

Chicago O’Hare’s lots are like that too. Only here its because they closed several of the really remote lots for lack of use, pushing people who would have used those lots into the main long term lot. I’m sure they laid off all the bus drivers who used to service those lots too, but yeah, great recovery!

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-26 19:44:37

“Flew out of ATL on Wednesday. North parking lot was 100% full. South lot was 99% full…got there and there were only 9 spots open. Some recession we’re having huh.”

I was in Las Vegas last week; stayed at the Wynn. All of the high-end stores were DEAD; I’m talking a frickin’ ghost town. The buffet, which usually has more than 50 people waiting in line at dinner time, had maybe 8. Some recovery we’re having huh.

We can use anecdotes all day long, Eddie. Your point doesn’t prove anything any more than mine.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 08:21:45

A special report on debt
Paradise foreclosed
The boom has left Florida with an excess of houses, shops and debt
Jun 24th 2010

THE giant iron gates are eerily reminiscent of the opening scene of the film “Citizen Kane”. Each bears an impressive-looking crest, CR, with a statue of a rearing horse standing guard. The view beyond the gates takes in roads, elegant streetlights and specially planted trees. The plans were for an “equestrian community” with 11 miles of bridleways and stables for 36 horses.

But if a modern Orson Welles were to pan his camera beyond the gates, he would not find a billionaire’s mansion. The gates are padlocked and the roads lead nowhere. This is the Cordoba Ranch, a few miles from Tampa in Florida, one of the many residential developments that were abandoned when the American housing market collapsed.

Florida, with a long history of property booms, played its full part in the subprime excesses. It has ranked first for mortgage fraud among American states in three of the past four years. In the fourth quarter of last year more than a quarter of all mortgages there were behind on at least one payment; more than a fifth were at least 90 days behind or already in foreclosure. Estate agents reckon that prices have fallen 40-50% from their peak.

The effect on the state’s overall economy has been huge. In the year to April 2009 Florida’s population fell for the first time in recent memory, by nearly 57,000. In a normal year it would be expected to grow by 200,000-400,000. Jobs have evaporated, particularly in construction, property and finance; the unemployment rate is 12%. With revenue from property taxes down, the state budget is $3.5 billion short. Since the government employs one in seven workers, that will mean fewer jobs and cuts in services across the state.

Florida’s best-known industry, tourism, has also suffered from the recession. A report by the Themed Entertainment Association found that although Walt Disney World in Orlando saw a small rise in visitors during 2009, both Universal Studios and Busch Gardens (in Tampa) suffered a substantial decline.

Sean Snaith, an economist at the University of Central Florida in Orlando, says this has been an “equal-opportunity recession, affecting professors and plumbers”. He reckons that Florida’s economy faces “a long and protracted climb out of a deep hole”, with unemployment remaining in double digits until 2012. It will be 2014 before Florida’s payrolls recover to pre-recession levels, he predicts.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-06-26 09:24:04

Congress’ flood insurance lapse strands residents, home sales

By Laura Green Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:07 p.m. Friday, June 25, 2010

Real estate broker Jess Acevedo expected a good month in June with the first-time home buyer credit about to expire, but now 14 deals he carefully shepherded to closing are on hold because Congress has failed to reauthorize the National Flood Insurance Program.

Among them are a Boca Raton couple with three children who were set to close Friday on a four-bedroom, two-story foreclosure. Now they are stuck in limbo, worried that their tax-credit window is closing, Acevedo said.

“They’re all frustrated,” he said.

With hurricane season upon us, it could not be a worse time of year for Floridians to be without flood insurance.

The National Association of Realtors estimates that for each day Congress delays, 1,400 sales are tied up. In Florida, it’s affecting about 175 deals a day.

The flood insurance program expired May 31. Since then, some lenders have been willing to accept binders, or promises, to write flood insurance policies as soon as Congress reauthorizes the program. But others are refusing to allow deals to go through without insurance.

U.S. Rep. Ted Deutch, D-Boca Raton, who voted to reauthorize the program, said Congress’ delay has brought an already weak real estate market to a “total standstill.”

“To say that Florida’s economy is in a fragile state would be an understatement,” he said. “In this uniquely perilous economy, if someone is prepared to buy a new home, they should be able to buy it.”

 
Comment by ACH
2010-06-26 10:52:07

Anecdotal housing report from N. Louisiana:
I went “garage sale-ing” with my wife this morning, and I got to see the neighborhoods in the city that I live in. This burgh does have enough population to support the level of “high end” housing that I see. It has (or had) just enough.

I saw a lot of FSBOs and RE For Sale signs in the toniest neighborhood of the city. The basic issue is these houses are waaaayyy nice and waaay expensive $450k to $1M. No one is moving into the area The people who can afford this neighborhood already live in it. No one is really upwardly mobile meaning that there are no “up and comings” to sell to.

These are facts that pose a problem: So, who are they going to sell to and at what price?

Oh no, it’s not even over yet.

Roidy

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-26 11:26:06

I personally feel that the exact scenario you have highlighted here is the number one problem facing any type of housing recovery. The houses are just too nice and thus unaffordable by the bulk of the population in any given area. Granite is just not for everybody. *(You will not find granite in my house)

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 11:51:37

Overpriced houses and cheap rents are a fact of life here in the South Bay part of Los Angeles. Many people here who “own” these houses claim to have a high net worth because they add the zillow value of their houses to their other assets. The problem is they will have to sell those behemoths at some point to pay for health costs or to downsize and live in, say, Arizona. We are overdue for a major earthquake and most of my home-moaning neighbors probably don’t have earthquake insurance. L.A. is one natural disaster away from massive destruction of personal wealth. And since ten million or more live in this area, it would have a significant negative effect on America’s economy as well.

Properly, houses here should price in the risk of earthquake damage - they would be much lower, perhaps by 50% if the quake threat was factored in, given the low savings rate that Los Angelenos have.

Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-26 19:53:15

That’s a good point. I’ve often wondered how a big quake would affect us economically. Most people are living on the edge of their margins as it is already — they don’t need an earthquake, but merely a leaky roof to do them in financially. I believe we’re waaaay overdue as well. That 7.2 on Easter was a wake-up call for us in San Diego; I can’t believe it didn’t do more damage.

 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-06-26 11:03:57

Dylan Ratigan and the Huffpo say “Walk Away”…

www dot huffingtonpost dot com/dylan-ratigan/who-pays_b_624149.html?ref=twitter

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 11:33:48

If you walk away
From a loan with Fannie Mae,
For seven years hence forth
No mortgage will you pay.

Walk away from an underwater mortgage? Fannie Mae may be on your tail.

Mortgage giant Fannie Mae plans court suits against homeowners who default even if they can pay. Let’s hope this helps restore the morality of not walking away from a contract that one can honor.

A man walks by Fannie Mae (Federal National Mortgage Association) headquarters in Washington, DC.

AFP PHOTO/KAREN BLEIER/FILES/NEWSCOM
By Clayton Jones / June 25, 2010

My mother, like most mothers, warned me never to discuss politics and religion at a dinner party.

She never mentioned jingle mail.

That’s the term for mailing your house keys to a mortgage lender because you’re walking away from both a home and a mortgage that you can still afford but whose market value has dropped below the amount owed on the loan.

These “walkaways” from an “underwater” mortgage can be very defensive while also giving very practical reasons for their “strategic defaults.” If someone, for example, had bought a house for $300,000 in 2006 with a $250,000 loan but that home is now worth only $200,000, then why stick around for a market turnaround? Better to force a foreclosure, take a hit on your credit rating, and move on (alas, as a renter).

But then if anyone (like me) mentions moral reasons for not walking away from an obligation to pay, you quickly become a party skunk.

An estimated one quarter of homeowners have houses worth less than their loans, and about one in eight of mortgage defaults are done by people who can still afford their payments. What if this jingle-mail trend continues? Wouldn’t the housing market really collapse, and even more neighborhoods would be destroyed with a surfeit of empty houses?

At least now I am in good company. On Wednesday, Fannie Mae, the mortgage giant recently taken over by taxpayers and run by the Obama administration, has decided to go after these mortgage scofflaws with the full arm of the law. Fannie will not only make sure that the walkaways are sued in court but that they aren’t eligible for home loans for seven years.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 11:52:46

Caught between a walk and a hard spot.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 13:54:14

+1 :lol:

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Comment by cobaltblue
2010-06-26 11:13:37

Lest we forget…

TWENTY years ago the thermometer hit 122 in the shade, here in the PHX- Mesa- Scottsdale Arizona area.

Nice and toasty.

Have a hot one on us today!

 
Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 11:35:54

Fannie collapsometer graph

Select “Max.” for the time span (above the graph) for maximum dramatic effect.

Comment by Green Shoots
2010-06-26 11:49:19

Log scale is better. I have never seen a steeper logarithmic slope than at the end of Fannie.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-06-26 11:57:15

You should have shorted it!

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-26 19:18:34

Hindsight is 20-20. But for the record, I find it difficult to figure out which of the firms that should collapse, will collapse. Take the homebuilders, for example; last week saw the record low number of home sales in history, yet their share prices barely dropped. Why the builder shares stay safely above water while the GSEs collapsed is a mystery to me.

 
 
Comment by neuromance
2010-06-26 13:40:26

Wow. They took off after the last real estate/banking crisis in the late 80s.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-06-26 14:14:06

There’s that decade again.

 
 
Comment by ACH
2010-06-26 14:19:59

This is called “Wealth Destruction”. The reason that Fannie May has collapsed is the US Fed Govts obsession with home ownership. The obsession is caused by the capture of our govt by large financial corporations.

“Can you say Oligarchy, boys and girls?”

Roidy

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 12:45:30

So much for being able to slice & dice anything… :-(

Box-office futures ban headed toward law, dashing plans of proponents:

LA Times, June 25, 2010 by Ben Fritz

“…The provision, which was inserted as a result of lobbying by the Motion Picture Assn. of America and others on behalf of the six major movie studios, would make box-office results only the second type of commodity on which futures trading is banned by law, along with onions.”

“…In a significant and possibly fatal blow to controversial proposals for box-office futures markets, a ban on them has survived a marathon House-Senate negotiation over financial reform legislation and will likely be passed by Congress next week and then signed into law.”

Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 13:59:12

Works for me. Only Wall St. is more corrupt than Hollywood.

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-06-26 19:01:58

But they’re stifling financial innovation! The engine of this economy’s growth! ;)

Like I’ve been saying, financial innovation comes in one of two flavors:

1) New betting games, or
2) New ways to boil the frog, i.e. new ways to extract more wealth from the debtor without the debtor realizing it.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-06-26 13:56:44

You know we’re doomed when even the Chinese can figure it out, but we can’t:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i_yogDatphlnvBRsI-hMgucCofSwD9GIHVA00

China takes hands-off approach to labor strikes

By TINI TRAN (AP) – 23 hours ago

BEIJING — When workers at a Honda transmission plant in China went on strike for higher wages last month, they touched off a domino effect of high-profile labor disputes.

As the strikes, many of them at foreign-owned plants, rippled through China’s southern manufacturing heartland, the government — usually quick to crush mass protests of any kind — did not step in, but allowed them to spread.

That’s because it views the strikes less as a political threat these days than as an economic tool — a way to help restructure China’s current export-driven economy to a more self-sustaining one, driven by ordinary people with more cash to spend.

…”If incomes won’t go up, how can domestic demand be boosted? Strikes for better pay are very much in line with the big trend of Chinese economic development,” he said.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-06-26 15:33:38

“As the strikes, many of them at foreign-owned plants”

Kinda selective about where they implement that “hands-off” approach, no? :-)

China = “TrueBambooLie™”

At least in AZ, they’re focused on illegal workers. None of them will be involved in a “public” strike, ya think?

 
Comment by exeter
2010-06-26 20:45:43

Hit ‘em hard and fast my brothers and sisters.

 
 
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