June 28, 2010

A Losing Proposition

9 news reports from Colorado. “From the outside, it looks like any other foreclosure. The home on the 15000 block of Atlantic Place in Aurora has a ‘for sale’ sign in the yard and the front door is littered with notices. But when Efrain Diosdado opens the gate to the backyard, it really tells the story of how long the home has been vacant. As the crew headed by Diosdado starts working through the weeds, they discover a number of tires, an old air conditioning unit, three grills and an untold amount of trash. They have to clean it all up before they can even attempt to mow the grass that now looks like a jungle. ‘Looks like a forest back here,’ he said of the 3 to 4 foot weeds.”

“Since 2009, the city has required and charged banks to register foreclosures and clean them up. 3,700 homes have been registered. Right now 1,300 are on the list. John Knight lives near the home Diosdado’s crew was cleaning up. He says it has been empty for about a year. Knight, a long-time resident who is also looking to sell his home soon to downsize, says he was excited to see the city clean up the property. ‘It’s been looking bad for quite some time,’ Knight said. ‘It’s really discouraging, because you do take pride and ownership of a house, it’s a small cul de sac. When you have one house not very well taken care of, it depreciates the entire neighborhood. It looks great now.’”

In Denver Times from Colorado. “The number of homeowners in Colorado in active trial modifications – the first step in the federal government’s $75 billion plan to keep people out of foreclosure – has dropped by almost half since the beginning of the year, shows an InsideRealEstateNews.com analysis. Zachary Urban, spokesman for the Adams County Housing Authority, said that the ‘most critical aspect’ of the drop in trial modifications is the rules change that requires lenders to be more selective in letting consumers into the program. ‘That has punctured the bubble, if you will, of home modifications,’ Urban said.”

“And that is a good thing, he said. ‘We saw this rise in trial modifications and it was just not sustainable,’ Urban said. While it may seem like bad news to homeowners who would love to lock in rates as low as 2 percent, it often is not in the best interest of the homeowner, he said. ‘The way we look at it is why give more money to the mortgage company when it is a losing proposition?’”

The Prescott Daily Courier in Arizona. “A homebuilder in Dewey-Humboldt finished 75 percent of a house before losing it to a bank, according to Gregory Arrington, the town’s code enforcement/community outreach coordinator. Arrington said a disposal company removed a 5-ton roll-off container from the site and dumped the trash in the rear of the property. However, as many as four months passed by before the complaint reached the hearing officer, Arrington said.”

“Code enforcement violations have become more common since the housing market collapsed a few years ago, Arrington and other code enforcement officials from the tri-city area said. It becomes a challenge to track down ownership, and no one takes responsibility for maintaining homes, swimming pools and yards, said Boyce Macdonald, Yavapai County land-use manager. ‘When they are absentee (-owned), it is harder to get information because they are in Dallas, Texas, or California,’ Macdonald said.”

“If Code Enforcement Supervisor Fernando Gonzalez’ staff learns a property is in foreclosure, ‘We have to stop our process against the property owner and go after the (lending) institutions,’ Gonzalez said. ‘It is usually the bank. And we have to re-initiate the notice of violation against the bank. We have to start all over. Sometimes, the property is in limbo’ because a bank has not assumed possession of a foreclosed house.”

The Arizona Daily Star. “From the street, at least, Robert and Shannon Vigil’s old home looks great. But look over the backyard wall, or venture inside, and it’s easy to see that nearly two years of vacancy has taken its toll. Vandals have trashed the home, breaking windows, dumping mattresses into the backyard, throwing beer bottles into the pool and even stuffing the toilet with crossword books. ‘I just couldn’t believe that anyone would be so disrespectful,’ Shannon Vigil said. ‘But at the same time, the bank, they basically allowed it to happen by not taking the house when we told them we were leaving, by not working with us when we were trying to save the house.’”

“United States Postal Service data show about 120,000 vacant housing units across the state, said University of Arizona economist Marshall Vest. Of those, about 25,000 units are in the Tucson metro area and 90,000 are in the Phoenix metro area. The data track previously occupied units that have gone without mail delivery for 90 days. ‘If anything, I would think those numbers understate the idea of vacant houses,’ Vest said.”

“What bothers the Vigils, who were extremely upside down on their home, is that they tried to pursue a modification and then a short sale at about $155,000 before walking away and filing for bankruptcy. To see the house sit and get trashed nags at them because it feels like a waste. ‘Basically, they don’t want to lose any money,’ Shannon Vigil said. ‘Well, hello, the house has been sitting vacant for two years. You’ve lost plenty of money.’”

“Developer Michael Ingram, of El Dorado Holdings, took an interest in Maricopa back in the ’80s, buying up 18,000 acres, often for as little as $500 a pop. He developed the town’s first subdivision, Rancho El Dorado. ‘We’ll be bringing something on the market that’s far below the southeast Valley today because prices are so much lower’ in Maricopa, he told the Phoenix Business Journal in 1996, when Maricopa’s population was about 600.

“Ingram’s vision was simple: expand the drive-till-you-qualify ring. And people bought into that vision, flocking to his lower-priced homes. At the peak, Maricopa grew by nearly three people an hour. The downturn has left Maricopa unfinished. There’s nothing to do, and nowhere to go. ‘If we had something to offer other than cheap housing, we would be a much more attractive city,’ said Maricopa resident Heather Susoreny, who commutes about 100 miles round-trip to her job in Phoenix.”

“Susoreny put $180,000 down on her house in Maricopa and has watched it disappear with sinking home values - she calls it her ‘ghost money.’ She’s watched other homeowners walk away, and she said she vacillates between being ‘pissed off and acceptance’ of the situation. She used to follow news about the housing crisis and track sales, but all of that made her feel crazy. Now she just tunes it out. Still, she said, she likes living in Maricopa. She’d like to wait it out, she said - until she can get at least a tenth of her ghost money back.”

“On weekends in the city of Maricopa, signs of the housing crisis come to life. Sign spinners line the main road in and out of this foreclosure mecca, pointing the way to bank repos, cheap homes and ‘final opportunities.’ Like much of Pinal, foreclosures are king in Maricopa. Distressed homes made up 80 percent of sales there at the end of last year - and that’s an improvement from when things were really bad. The median sales price has fallen from $260,000 in 2006 to about $110,000.”

“‘There’s an identical model next door selling for half the value that I paid for this house,’ said Marvin Brown, a Maricopa city councilman who bought in Pulte Homes’ Cactus at Senita subdivision for $325,000. ‘Half the value. That’s painful. That’s like Mike Tyson hitting you in the jaw in his best days.’”

“Pinal County is a lunar landscape of unfinished developments where streets dead-end at dirt, playgrounds were built for neighborhoods that don’t exist and vacant model homes idle in the dust. ‘We bought here because it was a place that was affordable. We couldn’t afford anything in Gilbert or Chandler or anywhere close to work,’ said Jon Cox, who lived in unincorporated Queen Creek for five years. ‘And we liked it out here at the time. It was new.’”

“Cox made those comments in March when foreclosure was looming large. He lost his home in May, and has since put Pinal in his rearview mirror, moving his family to Gilbert, where he rents. ‘For losing the house,’ he said, ‘I feel like I am a number.’”

The Salt Lake Tribune in Utah. “After years of strong sales and of owners using their homes as ATMs — only to see it all come falling down in the biggest housing crash in recent memory — it has come to this. If you want to get a home in trouble sold in today’s market, there’s a strong likelihood you’ll have to go through the complex, time-consuming short sale route to get it done. In Salt Lake County nearly one-quarter of all residential listings are short sales.”

“Jeremy Stroup of West Jordan, who purchased his three-bedroom, two-bath rambler in a new subdivision in 2007 for $362,000. He has watched it fall in value by more than $100,000, and after a divorce late last year, Stroup began to worry not only about how under water his home was, but about making mortgage payments over the long term on only his salary. After efforts to work with his lender on a loan modification failed, Stroup opted for the short sale route. Months later, the bank has approved a selling price of about $250,000, and he could be out and living with his mother by the end of the month.”

“Although there’s some relief he will soon move past his predicament, ‘there is definitely disappointment and stress in losing your home,’ he said.”

“Realtor Mary Olsen specializes in short sales. Olsen says she’s no longer surprised when a home has not one, but two or even three mortgages. In Riverton, she shows a home that’s part of a deal complicated by the fact that two banks are involved. ‘A few years ago ‘everybody was using their homes as an ATM machine,’ taking out home-equity loans to buy new cars, motor homes, new furniture.”

“Although the owner is upside-down on her mortgage and wants out, and buyers have made offers, Olsen has yet to get both banks to agree on a selling price. So she waits.”

“The recession has delivered a blow to commercial banks in Utah that, in addition to costing thousands of jobs and destroying several institutions, will affect the availability of real estate loans for years to come. ‘When it comes to real estate, the bar will simply be much higher,’ Howard Headlee, who leads the Utah Bankers Association, said late last week. ‘Where in the past, a lot of the risk was pushed onto the bank because, frankly, no one thought there was a risk, that risk will be put back on the developer,’ Headlee said.”

“Banks foreclosed on real estate-related loans valued at $33 million in the first quarter 2007. The figure ballooned to $613 million in the first quarter 2010. The foreclosures resulted from defaults by borrowers who used property as collateral. ‘These numbers reflect just how serious this episode has been, and I think reflect just how close we came to a significant catastrophe,’ Headlee said. ‘Clearly, this was what I hope will be the most significant economic event of my lifetime, and it never happens again.’”

The Deseret News in Utah. “Saratoga Springs’ population is now 13 times larger than it was just a decade ago. Nearby Eagle Mountain grew eight-fold. Herriman quintupled. Lehi more than doubled. Those are examples of explosive population growth in northern Utah County and southwestern Salt Lake County, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates.”

“Nicole Martin, economic development director for Herriman, said growth came early in the decade because credit was easy, and that helped people afford the large tracts and large houses offered at the time in Herriman. Many of the homes then were in the $400,000 to $500,000 range. ‘It will be interesting to see in the 2010 Census how many of those (new suburban) houses (built when credit was easy) are vacant and how many are occupied,’ said University of Utah research economist Pam Perlich. ‘The census uses housing counts as a cornerstone of its estimates. But the beginning of the decade was much different than the end.’”

In Business Las Vegas from Nevada. “In its analysis of the Las Vegas housing market, the Center for Business and Economic Research maintains any recovery is threatened because there’s an excess supply of housing units compared with the demand. Although foreclosures are trending downward for now, there is concern the problem could worsen, said Mary Riddel, the center’s interim director.”

“One bright spot in the Las Vegas housing market is that prices have stabilized. But people shouldn’t get too comfortable with what that means, she said. ‘This could be a sign that housing prices have finally reached their bottom and that a recovery in the housing market is around the corner,’ Riddel said. ‘A closer inspection of some fundamentals of the housing market may suggest otherwise.’”

“The center estimates an excess of 9,000 vacant housing units over the normal local housing inventory. That is about two-thirds apartments and one-third single-family homes, economists said. With 9,000 more homes and apartment units than needed, that means the population has to increase by 22,500 before there is a balance between supply and demand, Riddel said. That doesn’t count in any homes that are being built, she said.”

“Another factor threatening any recovery of the housing market is the potential for strategic mortgage defaults from homeowners who are underwater, Riddel said. Las Vegas leads with the nation with about 75 percent of its homes underwater compared with 24 percent for the nation as a whole, she said. She said another threat to the housing market is the resetting of mortgages over the next two years that will lead to higher interest rates and therefore payments. That will create even more underwater mortgages.”

“‘Unless a quick turnaround in the local economy occurs, which is not very likely, this scenario will ultimately produce a new wave of foreclosures in Southern Nevada,’ Riddel said.”

8 News Now in Nevada. “Nevada is one of five states that will get more than $100 million to help with the housing crisis. It is part of the so called ‘hardest-hit fund.’ In Clark County, underwater home mortgages amount to $44 billion.”

“If you qualify, the state is also providing allowances to cover fees for appraisals and moving, even giving a legal allowance for up to three months. But, there is a lot of fine print and only a fraction of frustrated borrowers may even qualify. Also, your bank or credit union must be on board first. ‘The only way these funds will go as far as we hope they can is if the banks step up and match the deductions in principal, dollar for dollar,’ said Lon DeWeese, Nevada Housing Division.”

“While a lot of homeowners want this money, not everyone will qualify. The foreclosure prevention program is designed to help families in states hit hardest by the housing downturn. With housing prices here plummeting, and families unable to pay their monthly notes, the government hopes it will bring much needed relief to homeowners who’ve exhausted their options.”

“‘I went to my bank to try to get modifications. I went through the government programs, through Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac, and I went through the 888 housing help line on the Nevada foreclosure site,’ said Georgia Richardson, who is now selling her home.”




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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-06-28 06:06:13

Who better then the USPO to give us a close estimate of abandoned properties?

90 days without mail and no forwarding address is a good start.
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“United States Postal Service data show about 120,000 vacant housing units across the state,

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-28 07:46:59

I wonder if this sort of information is publicly available? It would be cool to compile a vacant property list for all 50 states, no?

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-06-28 08:53:23

And to publish it on a website called “FreeCopperForYou”

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-06-29 03:34:36

A drive by and then watching the property a bit will give them all the info they need but I guess we wouldn’t want to save those guys any gas money.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-28 06:50:14

Report from my neighborhood in FL:

The house accross the street (the abandoned one where I used to take my pet donkeys to let them eat the grass and weeds) got “sold” about 2 months ago to a young local couple who said they “bought” it for $270k ($600k was owed when previous owner bailed). The couple said they had to jump through some hoops to qualify for the FHA loan they were getting and to meet the approval from Fannie for the short sale. The “hoops” included cleaning the place from top to bottom, mowing, landcaping, fixing leaks in the roof, painting inside, etc. They did a ton of work and even moved some of their stuff to the property. Well, I noticed about two weeks ago that they were not coming around anymore and went over there the other day to see what was going on. The back door was wide open and the keys had been thrown on the floor, most of their stuff was gone and even some landscaping stuff they had put in had been ripped out. The deal somehow fell through! I guess the bank jerked them around and now the place is in abandoned mode again. What a shame and I feel sorry for them having been duped into doing all of that work. Needless to say the donkeys are back on the job and I think for a long time.

Comment by Lane from s.c.
2010-06-28 07:24:00

I have some donkeys in my neighborhood….these donkeys drive cars. lol

The first story….3 grills in the backyard??? They must of been running a bar a grill out of there. Sounds like are giving up on housing and grilling out. Well most apts. don`t allow grills so maybe thats why.

Lane

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-06-28 08:55:50

We have two grills at our place. The one it came with, and the little one we’ve had since wisconsin. I’m so used to my little grill that I haven’t even tried using the big fancy grill.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-28 10:00:04

Some people are pack-rats and when they bail they leave all sorts of junk. Even cars. I mentioned back when Miser posted about the foreclosure biz and me that it was interesting what is left behind as they apparently see no value in it. Those older heavy TVs often stay behind, clothes, washers/dryers. But many times they take the fridge or the dishwasher.

Comment by Eddie
2010-06-29 04:26:10

I have one of those older heavy TV. Very heavy. I don’t want to take it with me when I move. I put an ad on craisglist for it, free to anyone who wants it, as long as you haul it out yourself. No responese so far. Those things really do have $0 value.

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Comment by shelby
2010-06-28 07:43:35

Sounds like you could also use a few goats for neighborhood munching!!

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-28 07:58:07

If you’re in an area where Bermuda grass has become an invasive species (like Tucson), goats are great to have. They’ll remove that B-grass in a jiffy.

Comment by In Montana
2010-06-28 12:36:22

Don’t they eat everything else, too? Like trees, shrubs, flowers and stuff?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-28 12:48:14

They do. That’s why the Middle East is such a barren place now. It got overgrazed by goats and, IIRC, sheep.

 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-06-28 08:18:01

Got four goats on the job as well and the newest baby donkey is named Shelby.

Comment by shelby
2010-06-28 11:29:47

Hey wait a tic!!

Shelby???

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Comment by jane
2010-06-28 23:21:06

Can you tell us the story of how you got your goats and donkeys?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-28 08:05:46

At least this abandoned home serves a useful purpose — i.e., providing free forage for your donkeys. ;-)

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2010-06-28 10:11:50

I can’t imagine why anyone would fall for that. There is no way those kind of hoops would be legal. I wouldn’t say the bank jerked them around, they flat out scammed them.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-28 08:08:42

“Nevada is one of five states that will get more than $100 million to help with the housing crisis. It is part of the so called ‘hardest-hit fund.’ In Clark County, underwater home mortgages amount to $44 billion.”

$100 million to $44 billion is in a proportion of 1 dollar’s worth of help to 440 dollars worth of underwater mortgages — aka a drop in the bucket.

Comment by Eggman
2010-06-28 10:00:51

Indeed. Those modification programs follow the principles of battlefield triage. You stabilize and help cases where recovery is possible. You give morphine to the hopeless ones and leave them to die.

 
Comment by Wickedheart
2010-06-28 18:57:03

My sister lives in Lyon County. I used to joke with my sister that Nevada didn’t have homeless just trailer trash. When I saw tract houses in the low to mid 300’s in Dayton I was shocked.

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-28 20:30:59

“$100 million to $44 billion is in a proportion of 1 dollar’s worth of help to 440 dollars worth of underwater mortgages — aka a drop in the bucket.”

And that’s before it makes its way through the food chain of our efficient government.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-28 08:11:27

“One bright spot in the Las Vegas housing market is that prices have stabilized. But people shouldn’t get too comfortable with what that means, she said. ‘This could be a sign that housing prices have finally reached their bottom and that a recovery in the housing market is around the corner,’ Riddel said.”

Serial bottom caller never do throw in the towel, do they? I am curious whether Japan has serial bottom callers, and whether any of them are still maintaining the faith after two decades of post-bubble-burst asset price deflation with no end in sight?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-06-28 08:25:51

Japan has been relying on domestic savers to fund their deficit spending. Now that they have chronic underemployment (much like we do, I guess we aren’t the only fools offshoring everthing to China and India) I wonder who wil they borrow from? Or will they crank up the printing presses?

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-06-28 08:59:51

The part I don’t understand is how any of them at this point believe that hitting bottom should cause any kind of urgency to buy. At this point it is extremely evident that housing prices were in a bubble, and that we’re reverting to mean. There is zero chance of them racing back up to (inflation adjusted) bubble heights for a generation or more. In fact, we may NEVER see housing prices as out of whack as we did on this bubble.

Anybody and everybody I know who is interested in shopping for a house has zero enthusiasm and urgency, regardless of whether or not they are trade ups or first time buyers.

Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-28 22:57:20

I probably know more realtors® than the average person, and I’d say of the multitude I’ve met, only a handful even paid attention to macro-economic issues, and of those few, even fewer seemed to understand much about them.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-28 23:34:09

Hah! Last Saturday, I crossed paths with a local UHS who is a major sponsor of the summer picnic in our Rancho Bernardo (San Diego) subdivision every summer. I nonchalantly sauntered up to him and quite innocently asked whether now was a good time to buy. Can you guess what his answer was? :-)

This led to a lengthy discussion of the effects of future interest rate increases off rock-bottom levels, the elimination of the $8K first-time buyer credit and the tightening of lending standards at Fannie Mae on future buyer demand. After a few minutes of this discussion, a light bulb went on in his mind: “I remember having a similar conversation with you last summer.”

With a smile, I suggested he could expect us to have similar conversations for a few more summer picnics going forward.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-06-29 03:47:27

I’ve had conversations with quite a few and have a few acquaintances that have become realtors. I wouldn’t get into it w/the new ones. They just finished spending money and studying to get into that position and why would I burst their hope. However, one did just ask me to come over and help her w/her finances.

The existing ones are as stubborn as mules and I guess the way sales have been in this particular area from their perspective I probably do look wrong. One particular one is being courted by other brokers she is so successful. I mentioned double dip the other day in front of another. That one’s eyes did get big and she did start questioning me on what I thought was coming.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-06-28 08:14:00

“The recession has delivered a blow to commercial banks in Utah that, in addition to costing thousands of jobs and destroying several institutions, will affect the availability of real estate loans for years to come. ‘When it comes to real estate, the bar will simply be much higher,’ Howard Headlee, who leads the Utah Bankers Association, said late last week. ‘Where in the past, a lot of the risk was pushed onto the bank because, frankly, no one thought there was a risk, that risk will be put back on the developer,’ Headlee said.”

I sense a New Era dead ahead for the Utah real estate market:

- Easy money loans are out.

- Affordability will soon be back in, once the comps adjust to the end of easy money loans.

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-06-28 08:25:35

“What bothers the Vigils, who were extremely upside down on their home, is that they tried to pursue a modification and then a short sale at about $155,000 before walking away and filing for bankruptcy. To see the house sit and get trashed nags at them because it feels like a waste. ‘Basically, they don’t want to lose any money,’

Cause I SURE didn’t. That is why I walked away. Can’t understand why other people act like me…

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-06-28 08:27:53

“‘There’s an identical model next door selling for half the value that I paid for this house,’ said Marvin Brown, a Maricopa city councilman who bought in Pulte Homes’ Cactus at Senita subdivision for $325,000. ‘Half the value. That’s painful. That’s like Mike Tyson hitting you in the jaw in his best days.’”

Are they paying a Maricopa city councilman $110,000/year?

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-06-28 09:05:30

It’ll be interesting to see how the city council is doing once the town reverts back to 600 residents. (And 18000 empty houses.)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-28 09:29:55

It’ll be a ghost town and they’ll sell tickets to the tourists.

Or maybe they’ll lease it to film production studios. “Come to Arizona and film at our deserted community set!”

Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-28 23:00:05

Zombies included at no extra cost!

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Comment by Ian
2010-07-01 15:33:32

Disaster movie set free of charge: Blow up/trash a realistic town prop.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-06-28 08:29:01

“She’d like to wait it out, she said - until she can get at least a tenth of her ghost money back.”

So now we’re down to just trying to get a tenth back?

 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-06-28 09:56:03

These empty home statistics are a walking, talking rebuttal to the real estate industry and all governmental efforts to prop up housing prices. And what strikes me most about Ben’s road-trip pictures, which could be made into a singularly depressing slide show with “City of Ruins” as a soundtrack, is how easy it was to gather this evidence. Just drive around, get out of your car, and it’s right in front of your face.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-28 11:03:30

Yep. I didn’t know what to expect outside of N AZ. But starting in Albuquerque I was able to find vacant/foreclosed houses in just about every area I randomly drove into. Heck, if I had more of a budget I could have really canvased things.

BTW, I read posters from MD and N VA regarding a lack of housing. I didn’t see that at all. Some parts of DC have tons of foreclosures/vacant houses and Baltimore was maybe worse than Florida. Even out in the burbs, this stuff is all over. As I said yesterday, the government can’t really induce people to over-consume housing, so supply/demand dictates this over-supply must drive down prices even further. Defaults/foreclosure are merely one mechanism by which that’s done.

Comment by Dman
2010-06-28 11:10:02

Ben, I never see any postings from northern Arizona. I was there this spring in Sedona, Flagstaff and Payson, and things didn’t look too bad housing crash wise. Was I missing something?

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-28 13:55:37

I haven’t spent a lot of time in Payson, but Sedona is about a year or a year and a half ahead of Flagstaff. Sedona got hit pretty hard, price wise. Flag, not so much yet. There’s more foreclosures coming in both markets, IMO, especially Flag.

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Comment by snake charmer
2010-06-28 11:34:24

Not to hijack this thread, but your photos from Woodbridge, VA, were amusing. I was there in January 2008, and stayed with friends in a fairly new townhouse community much like the one in the pictures. The absence of a “town” associated with “townhouses” is a long-time peeve of mine, but what was really creepy was the absence of people — it was a pleasant winter afternoon, about forty-five degrees with the sun shining, and other than me, my friend, and his infant son in a stroller, there could not have been more than a half-dozen people around. No kids playing, no one walking or jogging or riding a bike, no one working in a yard or cleaning out a garage. It was dead quiet. I guess everyone was inside watching television.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-28 13:41:32

I went to one massive older TH complex (not Potomac Bay BTW, that’s new) and one section of it was uninhabited. I looked around for a while and couldn’t figure it out. It’s all ‘for rent’ now, but I’m guessing it’s a reversion.

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Comment by jane
2010-06-28 23:19:47

Ben, I don’t think you were driving on weekdays between 7AM and 9:30 am, and again between 2:30 PM and 7 PM. The traffic is soul-sucking.

Getting from Woodbridge to DC during rush ‘hour’ is a two hour one way proposition. The only way to do it and stay alive is to leave at 5 AM going to dc, and leave at 2 PM going back the other way.

Comment by snake charmer
2010-06-29 07:27:21

My friend leaves for work at that hour, and on the way back likes to pick up “slugs” so that he can use the high-occupancy vehicle lanes. He says it’s still awful. My entire time there, the number one subject of conversation, and what shaped every event, was traffic.

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Comment by ACH
2010-06-28 10:01:45

How many times have we heard or read these same stories? How many people are “underwater”, bankrupt, jobless? This economic mess is a direct result of too much credit to people who shouldn’t have had it - a credit bubble.

The housing bubble is a symptom that is its own disease in its own right. I completely understand the motivation behind the Gov’ts efforts to stop this. Who wants a disaster as a country? or a world?

Still, these stories are needed. They are anecdotal to be sure, but serve to bring the reality of what otherwise would be grim statistical exercise. Looking at stats and data is fine, I guess. I’m reminded of the British General Kiggell in the Great War exclaiming “Did we really send solders to fight in this?” when he saw the conditions of the trenches (after one of the Ypres battles? or The Somme? IDK). First hand knowledge is critical and cannot be gained by sitting in Washington reading numbers and charts. One must understand the misery to know the complete truth. It is a motivator.

This was Mr. Magoo’s problem. He knew his numbers. Boy did he know his numbers.

Roidy

 
Comment by swguy
2010-06-28 10:27:14

We paid cash for our house. When do we get a check from the gov’t for the value of my home dropping because of all the fraud in the market place.
Same old story, the people who play by the rules are left out,the rest get tea,sympathy, and a gov’t hand out?

Comment by DebtinNation
2010-06-28 23:06:04

Not to nitpick, but I think it’s important to clarify that the value of your home didn’t drop due to all of the fraud, but that’s why it became over-inflated in the first place.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-06-29 03:50:11

At least you can rest assured our government is doing everything in its power to reinflate.

 
 
Comment by MacAttack
2010-06-28 12:44:45

“…He says it has been empty for about a year. Knight, a long-time resident who is also looking to sell his home soon to downsize, says he was excited to see the city clean up the property. ‘It’s been looking bad for quite some time,’ Knight said. ‘It’s really discouraging, because you do take pride and ownership of a house, it’s a small cul de sac. When you have one house not very well taken care of, it depreciates the entire neighborhood. It looks great now.’”

So, Mr.Knight, you’ve simply been sitting around waiting for the city to do something? Why don’t you and your neighbors just take matters into your own hands and deal with it?

Granted, I don’t know if you’re physically capable. But so many people sit on their hands and wait for others…

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-28 13:41:47

So, Mr.Knight, you’ve simply been sitting around waiting for the city to do something? Why don’t you and your neighbors just take matters into your own hands and deal with it?

Granted, I don’t know if you’re physically capable. But so many people sit on their hands and wait for others…

Thwack! (A nail just got hit on the head.)

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-06-28 13:45:52

Well, I’ve never seen any neighbors cut the grass at any foreclosure that I’ve been involved with. When I was in the Lakewood Ranch area in FL, the foreclosures had dead/overgrown lawns, even though the HOA is supposed to be maintaining all the yards. I’m guessing the lender isn’t foreclosing or not paying the HOA fees and so it just sits.

It’s always easy to say what your suggesting, but when was the last time you cut some bankers grass for free?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-06-28 14:04:39

It’s always easy to say what your suggesting, but when was the last time you cut some bankers grass for free?

Ouch, that poor nail just got thwacked on the head again.

Comment by HottyToddy
2010-06-28 19:31:10

Even though you would be doing it with good motives to help out the neighborhood, it is still trespassing if you don’t have permission to care for the property. In our mixed up world, I can see some lawyer accusing you of damaging the property and wanting you to pay the bank for the lost value.

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Comment by MacAttack
2010-06-29 10:13:56

I don’t look at it that way. At least where I live, neighbors tend to watch for/take care of each other a bit.

Perhaps I am luckier than I know.

If we are going to feed bankers money, let’s pass it through the long-term unemployed, giving them at least some benefit (money, exercise) in the process.

 
 
 
Comment by rosethorn
2010-06-28 22:20:59

The Census keeps track of the total number of housing units existing in the US each year. A chart for the period 2000 - 2009 can be found here. The decline in the slope of the increase is obvious starting in 2006.

 
Comment by swguy
2010-06-29 09:41:50

Interesting stat>
800k homes in California are not paying their mortage yet only 132k of these are showing up in mls listings.
Next time a real estate agent tells you things are hot so you have to move on a property now, tell them to put the shadow inventory in their pipe and smoke it?

 
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