July 14, 2010

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Comment by Martin
2010-07-14 05:31:44

Stock Market is back up to new highs. Corporate America is awash
with cash and is showing profits. Good days are back. Even if
unemployment is rising and real figures maybe upto 18-20%, and
RE prices looking at another dip, the country overall is doing great.
Why? Because stock market is the indicator of country’s economy.
As long as stock indexes are up, everything is fine.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 05:38:47

As long as the stock market is going up, I feel so good about the economy that the other stuff doesn’t even matter.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-14 05:45:08

Part of the problem IMHO is that the stock market is one of the few economic indicators that is available on a daily basis. So the news media spend FAR too much time talking about it. But at current P/E ratios it SHOULD be clear that pricing is speculative and not a consensus opinion of the current value of future dividends or even earnings.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 05:49:49

Corporate America’s profits are as relevant to the health of the US economy as are the stock prices in the Indiuan or Chinese stock markets.

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Comment by oxide
2010-07-14 11:50:52

Corporate America’s profits are as relevant to the health of the US economy

as the health of the US people is to the profits of health insurance companies. Health insurers are making gangbuster profits, so it must mean that everybody is well, right?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 06:00:46

Yeah but still, don’t you feel happy when the stock market goes up?

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-14 06:09:09

Only about 6% of my 401(k) is invested in US equities so… not really.

 
Comment by packman
2010-07-14 06:12:08

Stock market goes up = higher cap gains tax revenue = lower government debt. So there’s more income for people and less government debt! What’s not to like? It’s a GREAT thing!

(there something nagging at the back of my brain… can’t quite put my finger on it… but I’m doing my best to suppress it. BEGONE, ye nag!)

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-14 06:44:56

You discovered the money tree, the prepetual motion machine, and C.C.U. all in one stroke!

I can’t believe in all of human history we didn’t figure this out sooner! We all buy stocks and we all get rich, it’s such a no-brainer, duh.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-07-14 06:59:38

High income people are cashing in this year and will be holding (not selling) after December 31. This will be to avoid the confiscatory taxation next year.

Conversions to Roth IRAs, selling all dividend stocks, and buying only growth (without dividend) stocks for the long haul are some of the strategies. Buying AAA municipal bonds and Series I Savings bonds (tax is deferred until redeeming) are another strategy.

This is a political pendulum movement toward drab gray sovietism. But the pendulum will move back to “It’s morning in America” in a dozen years. Tax cuts will occur then. That will be the time to cash out on stocks, for the productive people to come out of the woodwork, and enjoy their hard earned wealth.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-07-14 07:12:27

Another raft of sanctimonious Bile.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 07:13:31

“We all buy stocks and we all get rich, it’s such a no-brainer, duh.”

Same principle applies to real estate investing: Buy one house, and get rich; buy ten houses and get really, really rich.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 08:13:48

This will be to avoid the confiscatory taxation next year.

Huh? IIRC, the proposal is to raise each tax bracket by a couple of basis points. That’s hardly confiscatory. Is it a tax increase? Of course. But by historical standards the rates will still be very low.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-07-14 08:42:47

“IIRC, the proposal is to raise each tax bracket by a couple of basis points. That’s hardly confiscatory.”

I think Bill is referring to capital gains taxes, which could almost double, depending on your tax bracket. But you’re right - its still low by historical standards. However, it will disincentivize holding stocks for the long term, which could add volatility to the market.

 
Comment by polly
2010-07-14 08:59:06

The amount of trading done by long term investors on a daily basis is so tiny when compared with the program trading by the investment banks and hedge funds that any increase in volitilty should be negligible.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2010-07-14 09:29:11

The amount of trading done by long term investors on a daily basis is so tiny when compared with the program trading by the investment banks and hedge funds that any increase in volitilty should be negligible.

———
Then what’s the value in making the long term captial gains rate equal to the short term capital gains rate??

 
Comment by polly
2010-07-14 09:46:40

Having little additional effect on volatility does not imply that there would be no effect on revenue raised. The two have little if anything to do with each other.

 
Comment by packman
2010-07-14 10:10:22

its still low by historical standards

Only if you consider the periods between 1976-1981, and 1986-1997 as “historical standards”.

Before 1913 there was no cap gains tax (nor income tax). Thru 1921 the max was 7%. It went fairly high for a brief period to help pay for WW1, then back down a lot after 1922 - with varying rate methods through the years; generally lower than the post-1976 period when they were raised a bunch.

How soon we forget.

(And how much I found upon looking this up just how f****ed up our tax system has been, with about 15 different schemes just for cap gains tax in the 1900’s.)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 11:12:25

Only if you consider the periods between 1976-1981, and 1986-1997 as “historical standards”.

Huh? I seem to recall reading that taxes were much higher during the Eisenhower admin than today.

 
Comment by Reuven
2010-07-14 12:29:38

Barack Obama wants to increase all sorts of taxes, and put many small businesses out of commission. He wants to raise my taxes by tens of thousands of dollars.

See HR 4123

Interestingly, Barack Obama, in commenting on this bill, referred to people operating S Corporations WITHIN THE LAW as “tax evaders!” And AT THE SAME TIME, this legislation increased the first-time home buyers tax handout which has OVER A 50% FRAUD RATE. (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126010317 )

Imagine that! He’s calling honest businessmen “tax evaders” while extending a tax credit that’s beloved by cheaters and scamsters. The IRS even found thousands of people IN PRISON taking that $8,000 tax credit, even though they haven’t been anywhere near a real estate transaction.

 
Comment by measton
2010-07-14 12:43:25

Rather than increasing the tax on each bracket they should create another bracket or two. They should do away with loopholes that allow management to pay <18% effective tax rate.

 
Comment by packman
2010-07-14 13:14:44

Huh? I seem to recall reading that taxes were much higher during the Eisenhower admin than today.

Not capital gains tax. Though the rate was somewhat high (not clear exactly what, from what I could find), you could exclude half your capital gains held over 6 months; thus in essence cutting the rate in half.

From what I can find the rate itself was 12.5%, thus long-term cap gains were 6.25%.

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History of capital gains taxation in the United States
From 1913 to 1921, capital gains were taxed at ordinary rates, initially up to a top rate of 7 percent. Because of concern that the higher income tax rates introduced during World War I reduced capital gains tax revenues, from 1922 to 1934 taxpayers were allowed an alternative tax rate of 12.5 percent on capital gains on assets held at least two years. From 1934 to 1941, taxpayers could exclude percentages of gains that varied with the holding period. For example, in 1934 and 1935, 20, 40, 60, and 70 percent of gains were excluded on assets held 1, 2, 5, and 10 years, respectively. Beginning in 1942, taxpayers could exclude 50 percent of capital gains on assets held at least six months or elect a 25 percent alternative tax rate if their ordinary tax rate exceeded 50 percent. Capital gains tax rates were increased significantly in the 1969 and 1976 Tax Reform Acts. The 1969 act imposed a 10 percent minimum tax, excluded gains, and limited the alternative tax to $50,000 of gains. The 1976 act further increased capital gains tax rates by increasing the minimum tax rate to 15 percent. In 1977 and 1978, the maximum tax rate on capital gains reached 39.875 percent with the minimum tax and 49.875 percent including an interaction with the maximum tax. In 1978, Congress reduced capital gains tax rates by eliminating the minimum tax on excluded gains and increasing the exclusion to 60 percent, thereby reducing the maximum rate to 28 percent. The 1981 tax rate reductions further reduced capital gains rates to a maximum of 20 percent.

The Tax Reform Act of 1986 repealed the exclusion of long-term gains, raising the maximum rate to 28 percent (33 percent for taxpayers subject to certain phaseouts). When the top ordinary tax rates were increased by the 1990 and 1993 budget acts, an alternative tax rate of 28 percent was provided. Effective tax rates exceeded 28 percent for many high-income taxpayers, however, because of interactions with other tax provisions. The new lower rates for 18-month and five-year assets were adopted in 1997.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 14:10:49

I’m, confused. You’re complaining because they CAUGHT tax cheaters?

 
Comment by Jim A
2010-07-14 16:09:56

Income taxes, particularly on those with high incomes were much higher.

 
Comment by elvismcduf
2010-07-14 17:45:13

Speakin’ of single-wides on 10 acres…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZpg8No8cUw

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2010-07-14 08:49:36

Stock market is the leading indicator.

Jobs ALWAYS lag. ALWAYS.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 09:24:10

Here’s Slim with some, ahem, Evil Thoughts about high unemployment:

1. A lot of the jobs that went poof were housing bubble-related. This includes jobs that had something to do with MEW-generated money. And these jobs aren’t coming back.

2. A lot of incompetence has been unmasked. There are more than a few unemployed who, how to put this politely, weren’t the best of workers, and, without the recent bubble economy, they’d be out on the streets.

Feel free to agree or disagree with me, but that’s how I see things.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-07-14 10:46:46

Except Human Resources are maintaining that they are now able to recruit extremely qualified people — more now than ever in the past. Which flies in the face of how you see it.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 11:13:57

Jobs ALWAYS lag. ALWAYS.

While that is true, it does not imply that new jobs are on the way. With the wholesale offshoring still in full swing its highly unlikely.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2010-07-14 12:34:52

Here is my general thought on unemployment/jobs:

1. In 2006/2007, we were fat and happy, overbuilding, overconsuming, overemploying, overborrowing to pay for all this.
2. In 2008, companies failed, construction stopped, survivors overcut employment (relative to long-term need).
3. In 2009-2010, companies worried, construction at 50-year lows, Greek debt crisis derailed any near-term thoughts of rehiring.
4. 2011, companies will hire some of those let go who are needed for long-term stability. Construction won’t grow much as long as home prices are depressed from foreclosure churn.
5. 2012, construction jobs will increase as foreclosure churn slows, companies will hire more as revenue growth resumes more significantly

I’m personally thinking that we get back to something like 8% unemployment by the end of 2012, perhaps getting back 3-4 of the 8MM jobs lost. Just my gut feel.

 
Comment by Reuven
2010-07-14 12:36:04

1. A lot of the jobs that went poof were housing bubble-related. This includes jobs that had something to do with MEW-generated money. And these jobs aren’t coming back.

It would be nice if employers banded together and just didn’t hire people that were part of the bubble machine. Don’t hire former RealtWhores, Mortgage Brokers, etc And don’t hire anyone who defaulted on a mortgage.

That would contain unemployment to the group responsible for this mess, and leave everyone else largely unaffected.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-07-14 13:27:53

Don’t forget the industries that rode the wave of MEW: high end autos and boats, vacations, entertainment, home improvement. The numbers in those industries blew up based on credit expansion and now are gone due to the contraction of said expansion. Now we return to what the market may bear based on income or savings. Of course, they’ll actually overcorrect as people in trouble attempt to save their way back to financial balance.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 14:09:27

It would be nice if employers banded together and just didn’t hire people that were part of the bubble machine.

It’s more comprehensive than that. Employers just aren’t hiring. Period.

 
Comment by SaladSD
2010-07-14 14:29:27

Read an article yesterday about a former bank manager who was laid off and she was receiving what amounted to 18K a year on unemployment. I’m assuming that’s gross, since it wouldn’t be taxed, right? Thats a lot of money for not working, I know a lot of people who are working and barely make that much take home pay. Anyway, she was upset that these benefits were now cut off, but no where in the article did it suggest that she had changed her lifestyle/costs.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2010-07-14 15:11:20

Thats a lot of money for not working, I know a lot of people who are working and barely make that much take home pay. Anyway, she was upset that these benefits were now cut off, but no where in the article did it suggest that she had changed her lifestyle/costs.

In MA, UI insurance tops out at $629/wk + $25/dependent gross. That’s $32,700/yr in UI income… for someone who earns $32K/yr, that might seem alot for not working. For someone who earned six figures in a job, that may barely cover a mortgage, never mind health insurance, car payments, college loans, food, etc. It’s all relative…

What bothers me is the constant extension of benefits, currently at 99 weeks. If you can’t find a job in a years time, what makes you think another year on UI will help? Anything more than 6-12 months is just a waste as it delays the inevitable lifestyle adjustment. At some point, the unemployed need to adjust their expectations in terms of income and type of work.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2010-07-14 15:50:26


Employers just aren’t hiring. Period.

Depends on what part of the country and what fields we’re talking about. Plenty of articles in the mainstream press on Wall St. hiring again. The economic boom around Washington DC is pretty significant and employment with FedGov is still going strong.

In Boston, hiring for software developers is still strong. My previous company had 7 developers leave for new jobs and had hired 5 new developers between Jan and March. This was on a team of approx. 15 developers. I’ve since heard of 2 more developers leaving my previous employer. Those recs are still open and being actively recruited.

In my new company, I’ve seen the team grow from 4 when I started in March to 18 in July. Word I hear from recruiters and managers around town is that there is alot of demand for Enterprise Java developers from corporations, but not much good talent left to choose from. All the MIT’ers I worked with previously are playing with Ruby or Python or C#… lack of supply, meet demand.

It comes down to skills, experience, and location. If you live in Podunk, Kansas, worked for ACME Widget Manufacturer running a press for the last 15 years and got laid off 12 months ago, then life sucks. If you were a mortgage broker or realtor during the real estate boom and have had no job and no income for the last 2 years, have no other skills or education to fall back on, then life sucks. If you’re marginal at whatever your chosen profession is, than life probably sucks… nobody said life was fair or that the world owed you anything, up to and including a job.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 16:27:30

If you’re marginal at whatever your chosen profession is, than life probably sucks… nobody said life was fair or that the world owed you anything, up to and including a job.

Northeasterner, have you been talking to my mother? Reason I say that is because that’s almost word-for-word what she told me during our phone call yesterday.

She’s also noticing that the people who are good at what they do aren’t having that much trouble finding work.

 
Comment by HARM
2010-07-14 17:01:26

It comes down to skills, experience, and location…. nobody said life was fair or that the world owed you anything, up to and including a job.

While skills, willingness to retrain and location does matter, exactly how do you blame someone for being unemployed when U-6 is near 20%, and job openings have 500+ applicants per?

I just buy the “life isn’t fair” slogan so beloved by right-wingers. Sure “life” isn’t fair, but “life” didn’t blow two massive back-to-back bubbles –the Fed (at Wall Street’s behest) and our beloved two-party system did. “Life” didn’t destroy the traditional manufacturing job base in the country and replcae it with speculation and debt-based FIRE jobs –the aforementioned oligarchs did.

Some of the unemployed sowed what they are reaping (crooked RE flippers, brokers and agents come to mind). But a whole lot of working and middle-class people are screwed too, who had nothing to do with the current economy or any say in the current power structure.

 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-14 06:28:20

Perhaps part of an effort to coax cash from 40-70 y.o.s? Because those under 40 probably don’t have enough skin in the game to really care and those over 70 aren’t falling for it.

Be careful about spending paper/electronic “wealth”, though. We know where that road leads.

 
Comment by Jerry
2010-07-14 12:48:49

This high is better then getting high on the other stuff but what to do when the withdraws start?

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-07-14 05:47:29

Even a corpse will exhale after you pump the lungs up with air. I suspect however that this is not “true love” as in the Princess Bride.

My company sells heavy capital equipment. We still have enough work, but can see stimulis driven projects falling off dramatically, except for some in China. The bubble driven projects are long gone. We are fast approaching a cash flow wall. Customers with real cash are commanding big discounts. Getting paid is now not taken for granted. Typical? I bet it is.

Comment by MrBubble
2010-07-14 07:39:59

He distinctly said, “to blave”!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 07:52:23

Getting paid is now not taken for granted. Typical? I bet it is.

I’m with you on the Adventures in Getting Paid, Blue Skye. This year has been especially bad.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-07-14 08:09:16

No kidding slim…I had more High School and college reunions cancel this year then I’ve had in all they years i’ve been a dj. Next year they will combine classes but I am out the $$$ right now.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 08:42:18

aNYCdj,

I took a pass on this year’s back in Chicago. I’m Class of ‘77 and they’re stretching it from like 67 to 80! I mean, what would I have in common w/ ppl basically from an entirely different era?

Sorry to hear that all the same.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-07-14 09:17:38

I mean, what would I have in common w/ ppl basically from an entirely different era?

Bad yearbook photos …? Better skin …?

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 10:52:20

ET-Chicago,

LOL, well if you knew anything about me you’d know I wasn’t the kind of guy that made time for a yearbook photo?

That aside, you’ve got Viet Nam era folks on (1) side and Boy George fans on the other ( awkward any way you ‘cut’ it )

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-07-14 16:30:51

DinOR, but they could compromise! They could resolve to send Boy George to Vietnam. :lol:

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 11:40:52

My May invoices didn’t get paid until the first week of July.

Not because they couldn’t pay. They just felt no urgency to pay.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 14:14:48

When my customers feel no urgency to pay, I feel no urgency to deliver.

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2010-07-14 11:33:53

“Getting paid is now not taken for granted.”

I’ve been called out recently to problem sites to help with trouble shooting, and I still respond despite not being paid for the last visit. I casually remind the field manager, “You know your bean counter still hasn’t paid me.” After apologizing he thanks me for my quick response.

Sure, I’ll get paid eventually, but it tells me that they are having trouble with their account receivables too; the domino effect. Glad I don’t have any crushing debt!

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 14:03:46

I’ve seen a-holes do this before.

-Call up the contractor, agree to the quote.

-Have your issue fixed by the contractor.

-Withhold payment on the bill, unless the price is “renegotiated”…..if the contractor doesn’t play ball, offer to meet them in court……of course, most contractors don’t have the resources to spend a year fighting over an invoice.

This business plan works great in the current business/employment environment.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-07-14 06:13:38

Went on the NY Fed Reserve page again. Their credit data by county feature are back. They even break the numbers down to 30, 31-60, 61-89, and 90+ days late, and foreclosure inflow and outflow. It seems our county’s late mortgage payment numbers are down or flat and they never were that bad. Same w/auto and credit cards; not much pain in those areas. I think at least in this area where housing is not so astronomically more than 3x income the fear is contained w/businesses mostly watching for that potential double dip.

School loan data however were horrendous. If memory serves, our county had an 8.3% late payment problem. Some counties were double digit. I’d love to see analysis of whose name those loans are in. (parents or students)

Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-14 08:21:44

Well you’re right that the absoloute default numbers AREN’T that high relative to the total amount lent. But…
As underwriting and loan quality got asymtoticly bad, the default rate on subprime loans in the sand states IS pretty bad. And, the financial services “industry” repeatedly sliced and diced this poo in a way that greatly increased the effective leverage. MANY of the bonds based on this stuff is going to zero, notwitstanding the “aaa” ratings some of it got.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 06:17:42

Economy Buoys Stocks in Bernanke Uncertainty View via Stanford
By Rich Miller and Simon Kennedy
(c) 2010 Bloomberg News
Wednesday, July 14, 2010; 12:00 AM

“All my money is in the stock market,” said the former adviser to the U.K. Treasury Department, who has published three papers studying the impact of uncertainty on the economy.

While heightened insecurity can depress growth by prompting companies to put off investment and hiring, the effect is temporary, according to Bloom’s studies of periods such as the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terror attacks. Within six months, output and employment bounce back as anxiety wanes, he said.

That result echoes research published in 1980 by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke when he was teaching at Stanford in California. The “resolution of uncertainty,” he wrote, can lead to “an investment boom” by businesses.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-07-14 06:32:45

“Stock Market is back up to new highs.”

New highs? What are you talking about? New WEEKLY highs, maybe, but big deal.

This bounce didn’t surprise me, given how low interest rates are for alternatives such as bonds, money markets, etc. Still, S&P is going to be rangebound for a while.

Milk up 40 cents in one week at my supermarket and six figure money markets yielding .6%. I feel bad for the folks living on fixed incomes.

Comment by combotechie
2010-07-14 06:40:34

“I feel bad for folks living on fixed incomes.”

Get ready to feel even worse for these people.

When employers don’t have the money to pay both current workers and retired workers, guess which group will have their pay cut.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-14 06:42:04

Both?

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Comment by combotechie
2010-07-14 06:52:07

“Both?”

Lol. Probably so. But retirees will be first.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-14 08:23:00

pension reform through bankruptcy, we’re going to see alot more of that.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-07-14 06:45:49

When employers don’t have the money to pay both current workers and retired workers, guess which group will have their pay cut.

Yep. Already happening in many places in fact - there have been many article recently of pension cuts/renegotiations.

I predict this will create an “unexpected” additional burden on the SS system, as more people than expected will elect to receive early benefits.

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Comment by polly
2010-07-14 08:30:57

The pension renegociations are changing the pensions for employees that haven’t started yet. Good for future obligations or if your problem is funding pensions for the people who are starting now. Not so helpful if you are already broke. Ronald Reagan did this with the federal workforce over 15 years ago. Still pretty good compared with private sector, but anyone who has started as a federal employee in the last 20 years or so can’t count on retiring on their pension. Not unless they can work for 40 years and live on only 40% of the average of their last three years salary(and that excludes bonuses and overtime).

The only pension “renegotiating” that helps with current obligations is handing it all over to the PBGC.

 
Comment by packman
2010-07-14 08:51:28

Correct - renegotiations only help current problems if you consider “future obligations” as a current problem (which it is - for anyone with foresight).

W/regards to:

Not unless they can work for 40 years and live on only 40% of the average of their last three years salary(and that excludes bonuses and overtime).

IMO it’s not unreasonable to plan to retire on 40% of your final pay at all, assuming:
- Your house is paid off (it should be)
- Your other expenses are generally lower than during middle ages - which should be the case since kids should are normally gone from the house by the time of retirement.

Problems are:
- People are having kids later, thus often trying to retire and still support kids.
- Retirees are trying to live like kings now instead of the basic kick-back-and-relax-with-occasional-travel lifestyle.

Not to mention of course all the new “hybrid” plans of pension/401k combo, that assume that an ever greater portion of your retirement income will come from things like equities, but which breaks down if you have a flat stock market like we have for 11 years now as well as rock-bottom rates on non-equity investments like treasuries, CDs, etc.

 
Comment by polly
2010-07-14 09:51:06

So in your world of retirement eveybody has to buy a house? Because I don’t see how most people are going to see their expenses go down 60% if they still have to pay rent.

 
Comment by packman
2010-07-14 10:33:16

So in your world of retirement eveybody has to buy a house? Because I don’t see how most people are going to see their expenses go down 60% if they still have to pay rent.

I didn’t say everybody. Your comment was that you didn’t see how anyone could retire with 60% less income, and I’m saying it’s quite feasible. Paying off a house is one way. Saving money (e.g. buy renting instead of buying) is another. Not to mention getting Social Security.

 
Comment by packman
2010-07-14 10:37:30

P.S. Let’s not forget that pension plans are actually a fairly new thing - they didn’t become widely used until after WWII. Everyone acts appalled that they’re being cut back now - forgetting this.

IMO they’re yet one more example of the past 60 years or so of American lifestyle coming about due to borrowing from our future. We were living off the fat of the demographics of the baby boom - now we’re having to pay the piper. Sucks, doesn’t it? Bad foresight.

(to be blunt)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 14:20:23

But polly, I thought all government workers were making fat bank and would retire on 6 digit pensions with summers homes and yachts?

 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2010-07-14 17:46:47

In the spirit of retro-1880’s, I wish they’d let me bring a shovel of coal each day to my government installation. My sun glasses fog over the instant the outside door opens.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 07:14:44

Guess which group will have their retirement wealth inflated away from under them?

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-07-14 13:41:43

Guess which group voted for the political class that is robbing them blind?

These fools deserve everything they’re going to get.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 14:22:32

I’m afraid you’re right sammy. We have the government we deserve for the last 30 years.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-07-14 14:28:58

The only people who should be allowed to vote are those who pay the bills. Period.

 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-07-14 09:35:42

Milk up 40 cents in one week at my supermarket and six figure money markets yielding .6%. ??

Stagflation is here…

Comment by robin
2010-07-14 21:31:30

Milk and cheese prices down big time in the past year. Deflationary and causing pizza wars! Recent increase hopefully only a hiccup.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 05:51:00

How often do I have to refute this oft-repeated fallacy:

“Lower mortgage rates improve affordability”

Lower rates result in higher prices, and a higher-priced good is less, not more, affordable. (Admittedly, I never have studied home economics, so perhaps I am missing something…)

Amy Hoak’s Home Economics

July 1, 2010, 3:19 p.m. EDT

Record-low mortgage rates: Who cares?
Only a select bunch are able or brave enough to take advantage of low rates

By Amy Hoak, MarketWatch

CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — Mortgage rates recently hit record lows, boosting affordability for homes. If you even care.

After all, there’s a limited pool of Americans who can take advantage. Many would-be buyers are worried about losing their jobs; now that the home-buyer tax credit has expired, they’re even less motivated to take the risk of buying a place.

And some existing homeowners can’t benefit because their lack of home equity prevents them from refinancing.

The 30-year fixed-rate mortgage averaged 4.58% for the week ending July 1, according to Freddie Mac’s weekly survey of conforming mortgage rates — the lowest since Freddie started keeping track in 1971. See Mortgages. Also, see story on lawmakers extend home-buyer tax credit deadline for some home buyers.

According to data going back even farther, the 20th century low was right after World War II, when the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage averaged about 4.7%, said Michael Larson, real-estate analyst with Weiss Research, citing the book “A History of Interest Rates,” by Sidney Homer and Richard Sylla.

“The decline we’ve seen in recent weeks is marginal in the sense that mortgage rates were already low,” McBride said. “If an $8,000 tax credit didn’t get you off the sidelines, another little dip in mortgage rates isn’t going to do it either.”

Added David Dessner, director of sales for GuardHill Financial, a New York-based mortgage firm: “If they’re not confident about job prospects in the future, it wouldn’t matter if [rates were] 1%.”

Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-14 08:25:12

Yes, but the lower rates = higher prices effect isn’t instantaneous.

Comment by potential buyer
2010-07-14 11:41:42

If no-one is buying then the lower rate / higher price is meaningless in the end.

Prices will have to continue to go down until buyers do want to jump back in.

 
 
Comment by polly
2010-07-14 08:36:04

Lower interest rates can “make homes more affordible” if you ignore the fact that you have to save lots of money in addition to paying your monthly nut so you can have money to bring to the table when you sell at a time when higher interest rates have forced the price down substantially?

Comment by neuromance
2010-07-14 19:12:22

Very interesting point. I was noting recently that some high priced houses - admittedly marginally livable, older, not having AC and such - were finally coming into some reach of my price range. But there is this factor. Low interest rates = high prices. Just like on any bond. Treasuries are a fine example.

Also - I’m intrigued by one data point. Most of my friends have bought houses. They are impressed by my savings. Many of them have higher salaries, but apparently, extremely limited savings. My question is - where does it all go? Is yearly house upkeep that expensive? Or are they more grasshopper-esque, and I’m more ant-esque? This is one data point which has given me pause too. It’s all about the balance sheet, the net worth, and I’m wondering how a house would affect that.

Don’t get my wrong, I do think a reasonably priced house is a good long term investment. You get a fixed monthly nut, whereas landlords are always raising the rent till you move. And eventually you get to stop paying rent. But… what then? Retirement, downsizing, another payday for the FIRE sector?

I’m just intrigued by the lack of savings issue of homeowners I know, and am curious to find out what causes it.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 05:58:04

Abandon all hope, ye who own homes.

“Once we hit bottom,…”

Myth 5: The housing market has already hit bottom.

Amy Hoak’s Home Economics

June 23, 2010, 3:18 p.m. EDT
The housing-market recession is not over
Why you shouldn’t be overly optimistic about real estate right now

By Amy Hoak, MarketWatch

CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — After years of hearing how home prices are plummeting and foreclosures are mounting, consumers want to feel hopeful about the housing market — but maybe they’re being too optimistic.

In a recent presentation to the National Association of Real Estate Editors in Austin, Texas, Stan Humphries, Zillow dot com’s chief economist, pointed to four myths he said consumers are latching on to as they try to make sense of recent housing statistics.

The four myths:

1. The housing recession is over. It’s not, Humphries said. He estimates the bottom in home prices won’t come until the third quarter, at least from a national perspective. Doug Duncan, chief economist at Fannie Mae and also a speaker at the conference, agreed with that estimation.

2. After markets hit bottom, prices will rebound to boom levels. Not going to happen, at least for a while, Humphries said. “Once we hit bottom, the bottom is going to be a long and flat affair across the markets,” he said. “What we’re going to see once we hit bottom is the second phase of the housing recession… that second phase is one of being flat.</b.”

3. The worst of the foreclosure mess is behind us. More wishful thinking, according to Humphries. He estimates foreclosures will peak later this year, then remain elevated for a while. Rick Sharga, senior vice president of RealtyTrac, an online marketplace for foreclosure properties, said he doesn’t envision foreclosure activity stabilizing until late 2011.

4. The tax credits saved the housing market. With or without a tax credit, those who bought would have done so anyway, Humphries said. “The biggest impact [in home sales] we believe were low prices… low interest rates and the unsung factor here is the ramped up lending by the Federal Housing Administration.”

Still, it’s easy to understand why many homeowners want look on the bright side.

They went from what everyone thought was a lucrative asset to something worth a lot less than they owed on it,” said Douglas Culkin, president of the National Apartment Association, in a phone interview. “We all want it to get better,” he said.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-14 07:47:45

Worn out perhaps, but worth repeating:

Don’t buy the broken belles of the last ball.

He who picks bottoms gets stinky fingers.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-07-14 08:18:00

Stan Humphries, “Zillow’s chief economist,” sounds naively optimistic to me.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2010-07-14 17:44:06

I find it amazing that they have 2 economists ;)

 
 
 
Comment by Spook
2010-07-14 06:00:53

A CONgressman was on C-SPAN this morning promoting “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”; what an annoying term. Everytime I hear it I try to think of how such language world function in other areas of law enforcement:

(pulled over for speeding)

“Look officer, its clear the current system is broken, and thats why I fully support Comprehhensive Speed Reform; because what are we gonna do? ticket every driver who crosses the speed limit? Thats clearly impossible. So until we have comprehensive speed control, we just hafta allow people to keep on speeding”

(((shaking my head)))

Comment by palmetto
2010-07-14 07:33:00

I hear ya, Spook. Maybe the citizenry should start discussing “comprehensive Congressional reform”, or “comprehensive federal government reform”. This will resonate with the Orwellian propagandists.

LOL, I think right now there is no love lost between the Obama admin and the Congressional democrats. This is only being discussed to keep hope alive and keep the amnesty voters in the Demcrap camp.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 07:53:57

What we really need is comprehensive border security.

Comment by Spook
2010-07-14 08:53:43

Think about the irony of being told we are fully capable of marching 5K miles away to “remove” some people (taliban, alquada, alsharpton…) from their own country; but we can’t remove people who should not be here from this country?

I suspect it more difficult to remove people from their own country, than from one they are visiting.

Who will resist more?

Jose

or

Akbar Isalami?

Alqeda spokesman: “the current terror system is broken; we need comprehensive terrorism reform”

Comment by lavi d
2010-07-14 09:36:32

(taliban, alquada, alsharpton…)

I see what you did there.

:)

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 11:51:08

We’ve had what was labeled “comprehensive immigration reform” back in 1986. And you can see what that got us.

We’ve wised up a little. If you leave any loopholes whatsoever (like leaving the government the option of whether they want to enforce the rules or not), any law that is passed won’t do squat.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-07-14 08:06:44

Spook:

Easy first step…if you are an Illegal any kids born on American soil are NOT American citizens until they are 18 and are not entitled to guvmint services…only free transportation for your family back to your home country.

Sort of a carrot approach

Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 09:44:44

“carrot approach”

Talked w/ an old friend back in Chicago this am and explained when my nephew went to apply for FAFSA/Stafford loan, we were told that they couldn’t process his application?

We asked why? It was ‘then’ that we were told that ( actually ) a Maria Contrearas-Gonzales had been using that very same SS # for several years! Chris and I had to get his birth certificate and dredge up his soc. sec. card and then fax them back. But the “burden of proof” was definitely on HIM!

My friend’s suggestion was.., the solution should be that if some fraudster/illegal uses your SS # and pays ‘in’ to the system, well then that should become YOUR money! I know that sounds extreme, but if implemented, it might provide a deterrent and an incentive all at the same time!

What happens ‘now’ if some poor schmuck ( who probably PAID some coyote ) for their soc. gets found out? My guess is the status quo means, she won’t get it and neither will my nephew. Does the SS Admin. then just declare “finders keepers”? Just curious.

Comment by polly
2010-07-14 09:59:34

How about this one?

You find out that someone has opened a bank account (not interest bearing so no tax implications) using your name and social security number. Does the bank have to give you the money if you walk in and ask to close the account? It would depend on state law, but I think that a person who uses your name and SS number on an account has created a constructive trust and has essentially gifted you the money. Not sure that a bank would see it that way (they might want to check if your signature matched the card on file) but I wonder what the actual rule is.

And, yes, I’ve actually seen this. I’m just not sure whether the person in question has taken any actions to close the account yet.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 10:19:55

polly,

Interesting. In my nephew’s case, I doubt we’ll ever found out? When I pressed the ppl at Stafford for the exact name ( they suddenly became rather vague about the whole thing? )

And good luck finding “Maria” ( names changed to protect the guilty ) Regardless of the ‘bank’s’ position, I wish them good luck when my atty. and I come down to close the account? This unfortunately I believe is a very common occurence.

Pro-Amnesty folks have talking about the injustice of illegals paying ‘in’ to the system at the risk of rec. no benefit. I’ll make a few calls. This could prove intersting.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 11:53:35

Don’t think of it as “stealing” Think of it as a “user’s fee”.

 
 
 
Comment by Elanor
2010-07-14 10:30:15

How about a law that a person born on U.S. soil is a citizen only if one parent is a legal resident of the U.S.? That might solve a number of our social ills over time.

Of course, it’ll never happen.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-14 11:00:25

All it takes is a constitutional ammendment…

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Comment by DennisN
2010-07-14 11:14:13

Actually, no it doesn’t.

Read the 14th Amendment: there’s a 2 part test. Born in the US AND “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. It is not a legal stretch to claim that “anchor babies” do not satisfy that second part of the test.

It’s settled law now that children born to foreign ambassadors residing in the US are NOT US citizens.

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 12:21:35

DennisN,

Certainly ‘not’ a stretch when you consider a good many tend to conduct themselves as if they are not beholden to our jusrisdiction in the slightest?

Hey! ( Had yet ‘another’ defector leave K’ Falls for Boise! ) These Going Away parties are getting out of hand!

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-14 12:34:12

If we can put them in jail for breaking our laws, than they are “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Certainly if we were writing the constitution today, few of us would grant anchor babies citizenship. But we’re NOT.

 
Comment by goirishgohoosiers
2010-07-14 13:25:07

The trouble with the second prong of that test (”and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”) might lead to situations in which kids born to persons serving overseas in the military may fall through the cracks. While the birthers were frantically scouring the vital records office in Honolulu to ascertain Obama’s native born status, John McCain quietly engaged a gaggle o’ attorneys to research whether his birth in the Canal Zone could have adversely affected his ability to serve as prez. They concluded that he would not be constitutionally barred from becoming prez, but that view has never been tested at the appellate court level AFAIK. The fact that he was concered enough to put some dollars into finding an answer suggests to me that the issue isn’t as cut and died as some may think.

As an army brat whose parents lived in West Germany while dad was defending truth, justice and the ‘Mercan way of life from those evil commies when I entered the world, the implications of this “everyone not born here get out now” braying could have some unintended consequences.

And we all know how good Congress is at perceiving those unintended consequences and drafting legislation to address them prospectively.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 14:11:02

I always find it amusing that when they become “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”, by committing some major crime, or kill someone while drunk driving, they always head back to Mexico so fast, their Keds leave “scratch marks”…..

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 11:14:59

Elanor,

That actually was one of the many common sense solutions he suggested. I know it sounds cruel to say.., ok, you can ‘work’ here ( but you’ll never get Benefit 1 ! ) ?

Clearly, ‘whatever’ your position on the issue might be, we’ve reached a saturation point where we simply can’t absorb one more single cost. It may have been about people/race/assimilation in the past.., now, none of that even matters.

We’re running out of Unemployment benefits for our ‘own’ citizens. Just curious how many illegals were able to collect and have them forwarded south of the border?

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Comment by lavi d
2010-07-14 09:18:20

I fully support Comprehhensive Speed Reform

How about “Comprehensive Southern Neighbor Nation Reform”?

As in, “Why the heck can’t Mexico find work for its people?”

Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 11:18:58

There’s a multiday article series in the Mexican newspapaer El Universal chronicling how middle class Mexicans are fleeing to th eUS, not for jobs, but for safety from the drug wars.

Comment by lavi d
2010-07-14 12:20:07

…but for safety from the drug wars.

Don’t get me started. Lunch is just about over.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 12:38:00

Notice the art. mentions “middle class” so these aren’t the ppl we normally see braving haz. desert crossings? This is a whole new wrinkle.

When you read about the orgy of killing down there ( and so much of it doesn’t even make strategic sense* any more ) I don’t know that I nec. blame anyone for trying to flee?

*Is it just me or does killing ppl that are in a drug re-hab ctr. make just about no sense at all? What, they had a few extra clips laying around?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 13:09:41

Apparently the insanity in Mexico is almost as bad as it was in Colombia. The gov’t minister in charge of the war against the narcs died when his private jet blew up over Mexico City last year. Some people are surprised that Pres. Calderon is still alive.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 14:18:13

Apparently the insanity in Mexico is almost as bad as it was in Colombia.

I’m wondering how Colombia got things under control. We don’t hear about their insanity as much as we used to.

And, speaking of Colombia, in cycling circles, it’s considered a role model. Bogota has a weekly event called Ciclovia, and the central streets are shut down so that people can take a bicycle ride, go running, practice rumba or aerobics, and just have a good time. Tens of thousands of people do.

Tucson recently had its first Cyclovia, and you know what was really cool? The route went right past my house, that’s what! I was thrilled, and, yes, I also rode the course.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-07-14 13:39:32

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/

Mexican newspapers, like their MSM counterparts, practice a code of journalistic omerta that buries any news revealing the true extent of criminality and corruption among the Powers that Be. But courageous citizen bloggers have stepped in to fill the void. Sound familiar?

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Comment by Lola
2010-07-14 16:43:01

A couple of months ago, Canada had a visit from Mexican President Calderon, who deplored Canada’s imposition of visa requirements on his fellow countrymen. Evidently there has been a torrent of bogus applications for “refugee status” as a result of the drug wars and visas are the sole method of control until enactment of a proposed new law that would bar refugee claimants from designated “safe” countries from appealing when their applications are rejected.

It’s about time. The garbage Canada ends up stuck with as a result of lax, touchy-feely immigration/refugee laws is what’s deplorable.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 16:47:10

It’s about time. The garbage Canada ends up stuck with as a result of lax, touchy-feely immigration/refugee laws is what’s deplorable.

Sounds like we in the United States aren’t alone.

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 14:49:04

“Why the heck can’t Mexico find work for its people?”

Because their society is fundamentally a patronage structure. You have to have connections to get ahead. And the wealthy tend to run thing on the plantation model. Much like ours is becoming.

Comment by ACH
2010-07-14 16:07:21

Is,eco. Is.

Roidy

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 20:02:18

I was trying to be not so negative. I’m not exactly the poster with good news all time, am I? :lol:

 
 
 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-07-14 14:21:19

Comprehensive Immigration Reform :

1) Companies employing illegals are fined 10k per illegal per year, with a 100K bonus penalty per 5 illegals. (4 illegals for one year cost you 40k, 5, cost you 100k) 2 year time horizon on this. Total fine multiplies by number of times it is violated. Employing subcontractors who violate this garner you a 1/10th fine and escalate as well.

2) Illegals caught in the country are barred from citizenship, work visas, green cards, or even re-entry forever.

3) Expand work-card program. Allow a lot more ag/etc workers in legally than we currently allow. Allow companys to pay 10k to put a current illegal worker in the ‘front of the line’ for the new work permits.

4) Change the constitutional amendment so that only children born in the country to a parent or parents legally in the country (work permits would count.) is a citizen.

5) Legalize marijuana to raise taxes, cut down on crime, clear out non-violent MJ offenders in prison, and reduce drug traffic across border.

6) Employ the Army, National Guard, etc. to guard the border as regular ‘training exercises’. Inform the Mexican government it’s now a live-fire zone on our side.

7) Construct a new ‘border prison’ for the inmates we have that mexico refuses to accept back into the country. It will have walls on 3 sides and excessive amounts of firepower on those 3 walls. The 4th side abutting the border will have filled canteens.

Comment by DennisN
2010-07-14 16:37:30

sfbub,

My idea conflates your #6 and #7: put up a mine field on our side.

 
 
Comment by Jim A
2010-07-14 16:14:08

Interestingly, the common interpretation of the constitution is that congressmen CAN’T be detained for traffic infractions if they’re on their way to congress.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 06:06:11

‘Strategic default’ is out; ‘cash-flow management’ is in.

Real Estate Weekly
July 2, 2010, 5:12 p.m. EDT
Fewer choose ’strategic default’
By MarketWatch

Nineteen percent of mortgage delinquencies were “strategic defaults” in the second quarter of 2009, according to findings released this week from Experian and Oliver Wyman. But there’s some evidence that the strategic default phenomenon may have peaked, according to a news release from the two firms.

The research defines “strategic defaulters” as homeowners who have remained delinquent for six months after the initial date of delinquency; they have chosen to stop making mortgage payments, even though they can still afford them.

The report shows that strategic default is more prevalent in areas where home prices have suffered the steepest declines. Discouraged borrowers stop paying their mortgage payments, believing it will take too long for them to achieve positive equity.

According to the report, the absolute number of strategic defaults for the first half of 2009 was 355,000. These defaults, as well as first-time mortgage delinquencies, declined in successive quarters in 2009 and may have peaked in the fourth quarter of 2008, according to the release.

“Both delinquency and strategic default — as we define these terms — continue at high levels, but in Q2 2009 we see the first evidence of a break in the upward trend,” said Peter Carroll, partner at Oliver Wyman, in the release.

“After a seasonal reduction in both measures from Q4 2008 to Q1 2009, the Q2 numbers then declined further, breaking the historical trend of quarter-over-quarter increases; however, we will need to analyze the data from Q3 and Q4 to validate this.”

At the same time, the incidence of “cash-flow managers” rose from 20% in 2008 to 26% in the first half of 2009. These are borrowers who make occasional payments on their mortgage — and are possibly trying to get out of delinquency.

“Cash-flow managers would be better candidates for loan modification programs than strategic defaulters,” said Charles Chung, Experian’s general manager of decision sciences, in the release. “They are likely to be in temporary distress and may also have financial resources which allow them to continue to pay their non-mortgage obligations. This clearly demonstrates a willingness to pay, and a loan modification that makes their mortgage payments more affordable is likely to be very effective.”

Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-14 11:06:14

…they have chosen to stop making mortgage payments, even though they can still afford them. ISTR that these guys never actually show that these defaulters “can still afford” their payments. After all, they (and the FBs) did a pretty poopy job of estimating what these defaulters could afford in the first place. They just look to see whether they are behind on their other bills. Sort of “How DARE you write checks to anybody else before you write them to me!”

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 11:55:07

“Peak Default”

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 06:26:57

Fed’s Hoenig lowers growth outlook but still wants hikes
By Jamie Coleman || July 13, 2010 at 19:05 GMT

In an interview with Reuters, the Fed’s lonesome hawk, Kansas City’s Tom Hoenig, says that he has lowered his outlook for US growth to between 2.5 and 3.0% from above 3% this year, but he still thinks the Fed should hike. He says there is not a high probability of a double-dip recession and he sees a continued modest recovery despite recent mixed data. If the Fed began to hike now it would be years before they were at a neutral level, he says. Rates near zero create imbalances and and speculation, he says. The jobs market is recovering slowly, he says.

That’s all well and good Tom, but you’re an army of one, dude…No one else on the Fed is even remotely close to voting for a hike.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 11:58:31

“…..jobs market is recovering slowly…..”

Glacially slow…….Tectonic plate slow……..

These guys need to get out more.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 14:55:14

The job market always seems to recover just before the next crash. The average person doesn’t stand a chance.

You have few good years of good earnings and then a few bad years of bad earnings. If you’re lucky, it’s wash. Unfortunately, millions aren’t lucky and fall farther behind each decade.

And then you finally get to retirement and they take your pension away.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-07-14 06:28:14

The zany economist Bill Bonner must think his readers are 5th graders, or younger.

“You know what cures a depression, dear reader? We’ll tell you. A depression.

“A depression destroys excessive debt. Businesses with too much debt go broke. Bonds that can’t be paid go into default. Households that have spent more than they could afford go broke.

“Problem solved. Debt disappears. “Then, the economy can grow again.”

~ “Too simplistic!”It can’t work that way, not with today’s brilliant economists running the show. Besides, depressions were banned after the 1930s. The worst that is permitted is occasional mild recessions.”

Yes. We get that all the time. But when, over time, you switch to a debt-based fiat money system and allow it to skew the economy into something that can’t be sustained it eventually blows up in your face in a very substantial way.

It’s simple. Booms bust. Debt disappears. It has been a way of life for the human race for several thousand years. We should be used to it by now.

Comment by GH
2010-07-14 10:49:30

Really there are two options when there is excessive debt. One is to inflate it away. The other is to default it away.

Our current strategy of protecting the bondholders from default through massive bailouts has the worst of both worlds in that in the short term lots of debt defaults, and in the long term we all get wiped out by inflation since the debt has been transferred from one group to another. This is the commonly held deflation now, hyper-inflation much later theory of how it will all end…

Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-14 11:08:43

Rheinhart and Rogoff regard high inflation as an implicit partial default by central banks and I have to say that I agree.

Comment by polly
2010-07-14 12:16:34

I’m currently 3rd on the list to get their new book from the Montgomery County Library. I’m really looking forward to getting the e-mail that it is ready for pick up.

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-14 12:38:40

I’ve got a copy that you’d be welcome to, I’M certainly never going to re-read it. It’s good, but a bit of hard work to go through. I’ll readily admit that anecdotalThe Big Short is more my speed that their more analytical work.

 
Comment by polly
2010-07-14 12:55:13

Well, I think I am 300 and somethingth on the list for The Big Short. Not holding my breath for that one.

Thanks for the offer, but I’ll wait. I want the library to get the feedback that people are actually interested in these books. Easiest way to do that is to have a waiting list for them. Also, my car’s AC broke on my last business trip and I’m not volunteering to drive more than 5 miles until I get it fixed.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-07-14 06:29:46

“Personal responsibility is the concordant note to individual freedom; failure is a learning process for survival, not an excuse for more government.”
~Bea Jones

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 06:32:04

* EUROPE NEWS
* JULY 14, 2010

Portugal Feels Austerity’s Bite
After Years of Budget Cuts, Its Economy Isn’t Healed; Scenario for Others in Europe

By BRIAN BLACKSTONE
[PORTUGAL] Associated Press

A woman throws flowers in early May in Lisbon as demonstrators protest Portugal’s austerity measures.

BRAGA, Portugal—Indebted European countries from Greece and Italy to Spain have in recent weeks set off down a common path toward fiscal recovery, promising to slash spending and raise taxes.

One sobering scenario of what they may be up against comes from Europe’s southwestern edge: Portugal, which embarked a decade ago on a similar journey of austerity, higher taxes and intermittent spending cuts, is still cutting—and still struggling.

On Tuesday, Moody’s Investors Service cut Portugal’s sovereign debt rating by two notches, to A1, citing the country’s sluggish growth prospects and concerns that economic reforms in areas like labor markets won’t bear fruit.

Moody’s “remains concerned about the economy’s medium-term growth potential,” said Anthony Thomas, senior analyst at the rating agency, adding that Portugal’s government debt, as a percentage of gross domestic product, has risen rapidly in the past two years.

The experience of Portugal—an early beneficiary of the euro zone’s economic benefits and one of the earliest to experience the problems of being tied to a common currency—offers what some economists call a blueprint for what could be a long road to recovery for Spain, Greece and others.

“You have to be prepared that you are in for stagnant times,” says Antonio de Sousa, who was Portugal’s central banker in the late 1990s when the euro was created.

Comment by packman
2010-07-14 10:40:53

Would love to see a break down of their “cuts”. If it’s anything like our occasionally-proposed budget “cuts”, they’re not cuts at all, but just slower increases; or if they are cuts they’re minimal.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-07-14 06:38:18

Anybody besides me scratching their heads over mortgage rates still being at/near record lows, despite the Fed MBS purchase program having been done for months now?

Treasury yields are of course also very low - but they’ve been up some the last 10 days or so with no corresponding rise in mortgage rates; and they’ve still been following in lock step in their unnatural MBS-purchase driven state (mortgage rates lower than historic norms relative to treasuries).

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-14 06:40:51

All that work and nothing to show for it. Apps for house purchases and refis both down last week.

A Fed’s work is never done.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-07-14 06:53:18

All Real Estate is Federal.

Comment by packman
2010-07-14 07:06:51

LOL - good one!

And so true. The Feds have just executed a MASSIVE land grab.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2010-07-14 10:40:20

I wonder if they’ll come up with a plan to encourage homesteading of all those empty homes out in the boonies. Survive out there for 5 years with no government money and it’s yours!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-07-14 06:46:34

“Anybody besides me scratching their heads over mortgage rates still being at/near record lows”

Demand (at least by those who can truly qualify) is in the toilet, circling the drain. I’m hoping this will lead to the next round of price drops.

Comment by packman
2010-07-14 06:50:24

Guess so. It seems that perhaps only the extremely-low-risk folks (for the most part) are getting mortgages these days.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-07-14 06:55:15

Those with judgement poor enough to be buying a house with leverage these days are not, by definition, low risk.

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Comment by packman
2010-07-14 07:12:21

IMO you’re making a bit of a leap there, assuming:

- The Feds won’t continue with their home-price PPT pumping
- The Feds won’t continue to make whole lenders who make bad mortgages.

Even if home prices plunge again, and if there’s a new wave of defaults, these new loans aren’t necessarily high risk from the banks’ perspective. They can just sell them the MBS to the ultimate GF - the American People, and get the money via inflation and taxes.

2008-2009 provided a nice juicy precedent, in the name of TBTF.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-14 07:14:51

No kidding! What exactly do such buyers find confidence inspiring about the direction the pols are taking us? And I mean something concrete, not that “hope” and “it’s always rebounded” crap.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 07:16:39

“…new loans aren’t necessarily high risk from the banks’ perspective.”

‘Specially when they come with Uncle Sam’s guarantee of principle…

 
 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2010-07-14 13:09:26

Trillions of $ in cash afraid to buy risk assets is the simple answer (held by households and corporations).

All those guys are screaming for yield. They can’t get it from treasuries, so they are buying US Government guaranteed paper from the GSEs.

Supply/demand of dollars/debt is the simple answer to low borrowing costs.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-07-14 06:38:25

Barclays Capital has estimated the number of homes in the hands of lenders, whether Fannie Mae ( FNM - news - people ), Freddie Mac ( FRE - news - people ) or any of the large private banks, is approaching 500,000. More than 200,000 of those homes are in the hands of the government lenders.

“They’re the fastest-growing seller of foreclosed homes in the country right now,” notes Feder

Alarmed by the 11 million or so mortgages that are reportedly delinquent, Feder and others have been lobbying government officials to consider alternative plans to rescue housing. Feder favors a plan that would allow Fannie, Freddie and other banks to convert their underwater mortgages to shared-appreciation mortgages that would carry lower monthly payments and give banks and homeowners shared equity stakes in the homes’ future appreciation.

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Oh boy, the banks will have a further claim on my home’s value when I sell besides the balance of any mortgage. Yeah, sign me up for that.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-07-14 06:38:39

Northrop May Shut Louisiana Shipyard With 5,000 Jobs.

(Bloomberg) — Northrop Grumman Corp. Chief Executive Officer Wes Bush may be giving up on one of the two U.S. Navy shipyards whose vessels were cited for defects and delays.

Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana said yesterday that Northrop has told the state that the yard in Avondale near New Orleans risks being shut because it lacks orders beyond 2012, putting about 5,000 employees out of work. Louisiana is in talks with possible buyers and tenants, Jindal said in a statement.

Comment by packman
2010-07-14 06:47:31

Wow. That’s not just a paper cut.

Comment by palmetto
2010-07-14 06:57:35

I’m tellin’ ya. Looks like Louisiana and Texas are takin’ it on the chin big time. First, the fishing and tourism and related industries tank because of the oil spill. Then goes the employment by the oil and related industries due to moratorium (which I still don’t understand, I thought the moratorium was on drilling new wells, or are they shutting it all down for inspection purposes, what’s the deal? All I hear is this boo-hoo-hooing from Gulf oil interests and all the jobs that are going away. I mean, couldn’t they have a rolling moratorium if they’re inspecting all the wells? You know, shut down a certain number at a time, inspect them, bring them back up, move on to the next batch?).

And now this. Eff Northrop. I’m sure they’ve made a bundle over the years, why not contribute to the local US economy and keep the shipyard open. Maybe switch production to producing oil skimmers or whatever.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-07-14 07:35:17

previously posted yesterday:

“But what does Corporate America care? As long as they are profitable unemployment could be 50% and it wouldn’t matter to them one bit.”

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Comment by SUGuy
2010-07-14 09:06:06

Are you suggesting corporations should have a moral responsibility to the community and society?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 09:26:03

Are you suggesting corporations should have a moral responsibility to the community and society?

In his book Super Capitalism, Robert Reich argues that corporations have no such responsibility. And, trust me, Reich isn’t exactly what one would call a conservative.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 14:07:54

In his book Super Capitalism, Robert Reich argues that corporations have no such responsibility. And, trust me, Reich isn’t exactly what one would call a conservative.

Of course! They want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities.

Only the little people are held accountable.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 15:05:51

Are you suggesting corporations should have a moral responsibility to the community and society?

Are you suggesting exploitation is a good way to run a society?

ANY organization has a responsibility to the community they operate in.

However, if there is no business, then there is no business and no business can stay in business without business. This then supersedes any responsibility.

 
Comment by SUGuy
2010-07-14 16:10:39

I was merely suggesting that Robert reich is a scumbag in imho

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 20:04:33

That’s an insult to scumbags!

 
 
 
Comment by Spook
2010-07-14 07:55:30

“green shards”

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-07-14 07:05:53

“Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana”

Anyway I see political retirement for this guy in the not too distant future. It must really suck to be governor of a state with not much influence. I’m sure this guy feels so impotent all the Viagra in the world couldn’t help him.

Comment by butters
2010-07-14 12:48:12

You are right about that.

Obama ruined chances for any minority candidates in the future. Not sure America will ever vote for a minority for a president. Obama is the first and last minority president in our life time. Obama may still win the 2nd term, but there will be no other minority president

Comment by Shizo
2010-07-14 16:05:56

I’d argue the opposite. Dumb white guys did us in. The x% black guy couldn’t save the sinking ship that is the USA, next up: Hispanic.

And they could care less about the candidate’s position on about any subject. From what I can gather it only matters if the last name ends in an A or an O…. (generalized, obviously)

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-07-14 23:00:41

So why haven’t all of the bad white guy presidents ruined it for the rest of the white guys?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 07:56:59

There’s another NG shipyard in Pascagoula, Mississippi. I wonder if they’re going to shift the work there.

If there’s one thing I know about coastal MS is that the people there have a lot of get up and go. NG likes that a lot, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this yard grew substantially.

Comment by DennisN
2010-07-14 14:16:09

I’ve been to the Pascagoula shipyard to evaluate the USS Wisconsin when in drydock. It’s the “Ingalls” shipyard. Hey if there can be a Lenin shipyard in Poland, I guess we can have one named for Marx’s other pal here in American. :lol:

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 15:08:28

I doubt there is any connection between delivering an overpriced, defective and crappy product and not getting any business.

Nope. No way.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2010-07-15 04:39:36

Yeah, they need to lower the interest rate and add an $8k enducement per ship.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 06:48:58

When is the Fed going to unwind all those MBS they bought to prop up the housing market and to shift the Wall Street investment banksters’ bad gambling debt on to the U.S. monetary base?

I still doubt the legality of that maneuver, though I realize the Fed generally operates above a rule of law, especially when an ongoing financial crisis is underway.

market pulse

July 14, 2010, 9:25 a.m. EDT
Fed should stay on sideline, Hoenig says
By Greg Robb

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Federal Reserve should resist the temptation to take more easing steps despite growing concerns in some quarters of a slowdown, said Thomas Hoenig, the president of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank on Wednesday. “I feel that monetary policy should remain on hold,” Hoenig said in an interview on the CNBC cable television channel. The Kansas City Fed president said some weak data had not shaken his basic forecast of a modest recovery this year. Hoenig, who has been eager for the Fed to raise rates and dissented from all the policy statements this year, again called for the Fed to remove its pledge to keep interest rates low for an “extended period.” The Fed should not overreact to every piece of news, either good or bad, as mixed data are part of every recovery, Hoenig said.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-07-14 06:59:15

Re·al·tor  (ree-uhl-ter)

Definition: A dumbed-down occupation requiring little to no skills and ethical behavior is optional. Typical realtors do not demonstrate talent, expertise and dedication in any of their tasks. In order to access residential real estate, a buyer is forced to pay these talent-less reptiles a skim much like a mafia protection racket. The only difference is that “realtor” is government sanctioned. The core fundamental of this protection racket is maintaining grossly inflated prices.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-07-14 07:32:26

Hey, you left out their trademark emblem: “drivers-of-shiny-cars-with-big-trunks” :-)

Comment by exeter
2010-07-14 07:35:51

That’s the old one.

New Trademark Emblem: 1973 Ford Country Squire Station Wagon with plywood for windows in rear, 400lb mother-in-law in back seat smoking like a chimney while swatting her unemployed realturd son-law in the head for making a wrong turn.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-14 12:42:24

I figured somebody should make a bumpersticker with the Realtor ™ symbol and the legend “lose money now, ask me how.”

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-14 07:42:18

The joke is on us, because 2003-2006 these creatures were passed off as “job creation”.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 15:10:09

You left out “self inflated know it all.”

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-07-14 07:20:09

It’s hot, it’s summer,…Maybe next year I’ll go participate, and check out if Oregon has any RE inventory left.:

“For kids, there’s the Crater Lake Root Beer Garden, which will dispense free homemade root beer.”

Mugging it up at the Oregon Brewers Festival
July 13, 2010

The July 22-25 event features just one beer each from about 80 craft breweries nationwide at Tom McCall Waterfront Park located on the west bank of the Willamette River. Four days of beer tasting come with live music, home-brewing demonstrations, books about beer and, of course, food.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dailydish/2010/07/oregon-brewers-festival.html

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-14 07:44:56

Is there a micro-brew bubble in America today?

Discuss.

The hipsters by me are drinking PBR tall boys this summer. I was bowled over to see them stocked at Whole Paycheck last week!

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 07:59:25

Is there a micro-brew bubble in America today?

I think so. But, as a point of comparison, I’d like to know how the suppliers for home brewers are doing these days. It’s not that hard to make your own, and I’ll bet that the suppliers know that quite well.

Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 09:54:49

Arizona Slim,

Without question ( and the legions of OR micro’s can pound sand for all I care ) my in-laws have been making -the- best homebrew I have EVER tasted!

The guy is a brewing genius! They are almost identical to Corona. Very light, perfectly carbonated. We just had yet ‘another’ local label spring up and of course w/ much fanfare! )

But in order to appear consistent, I have to applaud their every success. They ‘are’ creating employment locally and could probably quadruple their sales every year for the next 20 without making a rounding error in AB!

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 12:11:08

My uncle in Ohio made his own wine.

The 1991 vintage was pretty good because (as my Uncle Carl said), “He managed to get most of the leaves and twigs out of it this time….”

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-07-14 18:44:49

Hey, I make real wine here in Boise. I have a backyard full of Cabernet Savignon vines, and last year produced my first vintage. Pretty good, light and fruity, will improve with age. I bottled it under the “Chateau Bonnier de La Chapelle” label after the French patriot who shot Nazi Vichy Admiral Darlan.

 
 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-07-14 08:15:09

The hipsters have long had a thing for PBR, at least here in Chicago. One can’t always pay $6 a pint, ya know.

PBR’s the finest available at the bottom of the ladder, especially since the decline of Schlitz. While their signs are iconic, (Heilmann’s) Old Style is a poor substitute.

Comment by Lee
2010-07-14 10:09:47

Schlitz is back. Claims to use the 1960’s formula.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 10:54:53

Lee,

Oh bull! ( Are you ’serious’? ) Wow, I check periodically but this IS a positive development! Thanks.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-07-14 14:22:40

Now all they need to do is resurrect Lucky Lager.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-07-14 14:26:45

Schlitz is back. Claims to use the 1960’s formula.

I’ve heard that, but it’s not as easy to find in bars anymore. Then again, I don’t knock back like I used to, either. I’ll report back if I taste the Comeback Version.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-07-14 16:41:41

Oh dear…..

On July 13, 2008 Inbev merged with Anheuser-Busch and Lucky officially became owned by Budweiser. Avid drinkers of the beverage have coined the phrase, “If you can’t get laid you can always get Lucky”.

 
Comment by Kirisdad
2010-07-14 16:51:43

My great-uncle Joe worked for Schlitz (brooklyn) from 1919 to 1959. He retired with a gold watch and a pension.

 
 
Comment by Cowtown
2010-07-14 11:22:57

Old Style changed formula last year, and not in a good way.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 08:49:14

Ft. Collins prides itself as being home to several mircobreweries (as well as an AB brewery as well).

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-07-14 14:21:37

Heck I’ve been reduced to drinking Hamms in this economic downturn. Must be the influence of all those funny TV commercials in my childhood.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-07-14 07:23:41

MBA: Mortgage Purchase Applications lowest since December 1996

http://www.mbaa.org/NewsandMedia/PressCenter/73413.htm

Starve lying realtors….. starve.

Comment by packman
2010-07-14 10:42:49

and in the background of record-low interest rates.

Wow.

Comment by exeter
2010-07-14 10:47:30

Exactly.

Of course the deluded “housing is an investment” believers on Main Street haven’t the mental fortitude to make that connection.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-07-14 08:24:28

Then, it was the Soviets & missiles,…now, it’s China & drilling rigs:

http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/index.htm

Who’d thunk that an large ice cube could sink a Super-Liner?

Yikes!

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a ‘world-killing’ event:

“The media has been kept away from the emergency salvage measures being taken to forestall the biggest catastrophe in human history. The federal government has warned them away from the epicenter of operations with the threat of a $40,000 fine for each infraction and the possibility of felony arrests.

Why is the press being kept away? Word is that the disaster is escalating.

Cracks and bulges…:”

http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-14 08:46:35

RE: that second link…

“those that live by the bubble, die by the bubble”?

Reading that makes me wish Steve McQueen, Burt Lancaster, and Charles Bronson were still alive!

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-07-14 09:19:52

Yes, but what a great buying opportunity a mass-extinction of humanity would create. Gotta go contrarian: If everybody is dying, I’m buying!

Comment by Kim
2010-07-14 10:32:31

“If everybody is dying, I’m buying!”

LOL

We should all go buy a very large house on a very large lot using a mortgage from a Gulf Coast lender, because said lender won’t be around long enough to collect?

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 09:40:56

And to think I was worried about Yellowstone popping its cork!

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 10:11:50

Nobody likes watching “Mega-Disaster” shows more than I do.

“Absent this discussion has been Ryskin” ( The Prof. who’s theories seem to be at the center of this debate ) Evidently he didn’t think it was important enough to respond to until he got back from summer vacation?

Seems the tin-foil added the “mass distinction” of their own accord.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 11:09:15

Evidently he didn’t think it was important enough to respond to until he got back from summer vacation?M/i>

Either that, or he figured he might as well take that last vacation before it’s too late. ;-)

Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 12:27:56

In CO,

Yeah, I didn’t have as much time to look into that as we might like to have, and it is very much interesting to say the least!

Yet at the same time, most of us have become so hyper-sensitive about practically ‘any’ development there, we’re prepared to believe just about anything? My limited understanding is that when you’re drilling for just about any element ( you’ve about equal chances of stumbling across things you were ‘not’ drilling for? )

So it comes w/ the territory. It just struck me someone had come across his work and penciled in their ‘own’ WCS.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 14:23:41

“….cracks and bulges….”

I thought they were talking about Kim Kardashian.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-07-14 09:27:07

Things are gettin’ dicey in Utarrr…

Utah agencies probe alleged illegal immigrant list:

“A letter accompanying the list demanded that those on it be deported immediately.

The list also contains highly detailed personal information such as Social Security numbers, birth dates, workplaces, addresses and phone numbers. Names of children are included, along with due dates of pregnant women on the list.

Most of the names on the list are of Hispanic origin.

In the April letter, the writers say their group “observes these individuals in our neighborhoods, driving on our streets, working in our stores, attending our schools and entering our public welfare buildings.”

“We then spend the time and effort needed to gather information along with legal Mexican nationals who infiltrate their social networks and help us obtain the necessary information we need to add them to our list,” the letter says.”

From a commenter:

And again I question what part of against the law is confusing to you? UnAmerican businessmen across the nation – your neighbors – hire illegal immigrants – which is against the law - at less than the minimum wage – which is against the law – pay them under the table – which is against the law – do not pay overtime – which is against the law – do not pay social security taxes – which is against the law – do not pay Medicare taxes – which is against the law – do not pay worker compensation – which is against the law - do not file payroll taxes – which is against the law – and treat these employees like crap – which is against the law. So the question I have is, why aren’t these serial lawbreakers busted, fined and jailed?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-07-14 09:28:26

AP / Yahoo

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 09:38:14

So the question I have is, why aren’t these serial lawbreakers busted, fined and jailed?

Because the US Chamber of Commerce owns the best elected officials that money can buy?

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-07-14 13:50:51

Kind of creepy to have self-appointed snoops spying on individuals and then denouncing them (anonymously) to the government. How far do you want to go with that?

In Cuba they have Committees for the Defense of the Revolution on every block to ferret out “spies” and “counter-revolutionaries,” meaning, anyone who pisses off the petty paranoid snitches who are Big Brother’s little helpers. Shall we take this to its logical conclusion?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 14:21:22

Just another unintended consequence of government abdicating it’s responsibilities.

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-07-14 15:54:15

And if you are on the list and being harrassed, American citizen or not, they had better arrest the producers of the list because, to me, that’s hate mongering.

 
 
Comment by SUGuy
2010-07-14 09:55:36

There’s Just No Pleasing Some Robber Barons

One of those who has been complaining is billionaire publisher Mort Zuckerman, who now finds in a White House he once supported “hostility” to the business culture he credits with the country’s greatness. I assume he is not talking about the belated efforts to hold BP accountable for the cost of the oil spill that our pro-drilling president once thought not possible.

And then there was Jeffrey Immelt, CEO of General Electric and once friendly to Obama but now alarmed by new regulations. He was one of the many CEOs cited by Fareed Zakaria in the Washington Post as evidence of “Obama’s CEO problem.” General Electric is a company that got into deep trouble when it stopped worrying about making better light bulbs and came to devote much of its business through GE capital to fancy financial products. With GE having been saved by the taxpayers, one wonders what the conglomerate has to complain about. Or Wall Street donors now stiffing the Democrats and claiming Obama is hostile to them.

All this comes at the very time that Wall Street lobbyists stand poised to win a sweeping victory preventing a reversal of the radical deregulation that made the banking debacle possible. The “Volcker rule,” restoration of the New Deal-era barrier between investment and consumer banking that Obama had pledged to support, is gutted. As a disappointed Paul Volcker told Louis Uchitelle in an interview for the New York Times, he would rate the reforms just a B and not even a B-plus. Leading Wall Street economist Henry Kaufman told the Times: “The legislation is a Rube Goldberg contraption, and there are long timelines before the Volcker rule is fully implemented.”

Game over, Wall Street won big-time, and the Bush-Obama policy has made the financiers whole while largely ignoring the deep plight of the true victims of the economic collapse, the unemployed and the foreclosed. The argument that Obama is anti-business is nothing more than the old propaganda trick that the best defense is a good offense, so blame the victims for your crimes. The high-tone intellectual argument for that position was supplied by Harvard professor Niall Ferguson, a transplanted Thatcherite, at the same Aspen, Colo., gathering where Zuckerman spoke.

At a conference on ideas paid for and attended by the rich and well-positioned, Ferguson argued that the high rate of unemployment is not due to the Wall Street high rollers whose funny-money games wiped out 8 million jobs but rather the extension of the government’s unemployment insurance program:

“The curse of long-term unemployment is that if you pay people to do nothing, they’ll find themselves doing nothing for very long periods of time. Long-term unemployment is at an all-time high in the United States, and it is a direct consequence of a misconceived public policy.”

http://www.thenation.com/article/37425/theres-just-no-pleasing-some-robber-barons

Comment by measton
2010-07-14 13:04:52

IT’s all about keeping the gov unstable. They want gridlock and political infighting to keep anyone from pushing through regulations that would crimp their wealth stripping operation. If one party gains power and feels comfortable or if the parties work together then the CEO’s will face a real threat. They want a week gov.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 15:22:27

And a confused and ignorant public as well.

How many “blame the victim” posters have we seen here? Not that everyone is a victim, but most were.

There was an ancient Roman saying I was trying to remember the other day that should be the question on everyone’s mind, “Who benefits?”

 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-07-14 10:38:47

Here is a housing news story in the making…

http forums redfin com/t5/Chicago/Life-on-Hold-at-Renaissance-Lofts/td-p/113899

Life on Hold at Renaissanc​e Lofts

“Under a year ago, I purchased a one bedroom unit at the Renaissance Lofts at 1791 W. Howard Street. … I purchased my unit with their 2 year “Buy Back” Guarantee. This means that the developer has contracted to buy back my unit at the sale price, no questions asked, no later than 90 days from the date the Buy Back Guarantee is exercised. Concerning Kopley’s Buy Back Guarantee, a Chicago Magazine article by Dennis Rodkin quotes Mr. Kopley: “It’s absolute, no questions asked,” says Kopley. “I don’t care why you’re not satisfied- we’ll buy it back.”

“I first notified Mr. Kopley on June 2 that I wanted to exercise my “Buy Back Guarantee.” Since then my attorney has been in contact with Mr. Kopley’s attorney. We’ve been told that Mr. Kopley has to secure financing in order to make good on his “Buy Back Guarantee” - $160K for my unit. In the meantime, my life is “on hold” waiting for the Kopley Group to provide a closing date and contract. Will it take place within the promised 90 days? Obviously, preparing for my move and having a place to go cannot happen overnight.”

Comment by Rental Watch
2010-07-14 13:16:01

Someone didn’t Google “counterparty risk” when the Lehman/AIG debacle happened…

 
 
Comment by Insurance Guy
2010-07-14 11:23:05

Did you really expect that they would honor such a “buyback” guarantee? Welcome to Chicago.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 11:35:11

Yeah, things are really looking up.

Got an offer to go “on salary” the other day (contract I’ve been working since late January).

Still a “contract employee”, no benefits or insurance. 40% paycut from my previous full time job, not including benefits. $5000/year less than what I making when I took my first corporate DOM job back in 1999. Less than what I made working for one of the General Aviation OEMs in 1994.

They are going to pay for my type-specific training, that I start next Monday. If I accept it, they want a pro-rated 1 year contract to pay it back, if I go somewhere else.

The fact that we are having a full blown depression in the General Aviation business, is the only reason that I’m even considering it.

It’s getting to the point where fast food or Jiffy Lube is becoming a viable option. If all those guys with Master’s Degrees haven’t beat me to it.

Comment by lavi d
2010-07-14 12:26:37

It’s getting to the point where fast food or Jiffy Lube is becoming a viable option. If all those guys with Master’s Degrees haven’t beat me to it.

Trust me, they haven’t in Las Vegas. I was in Jiffy Lube and asked if they could do anything to quiet my Explorer’s squeaks. The guy told me it was probably weak front springs.

I gave up trying to explain what “torsion bars” are - he had never heard of them.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 13:29:18

I’m done trying to figure out the logic behind the way people running businesses think. Across the spectrum, it seems to me like every large business and government entity in the USA is run by idiots, with no accountability.

When you try to explain the ramifications of their decisions, they either get a “deer in the headlights” look (meaning they don’t understand), or the “Don’t bother me with the details” look (which means they don’t give a chit).

Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 15:26:21

…yet they cry and moan about not being able to find quality help.

I honestly don’t see how many stay in business.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-07-14 12:31:50

X-GS,

Well.., it’s ’something’? FWIW, that seems to be about the avg. clawback my wife’s former co-workers are encountering as well. A handful have been hired back ( med. tech. co. ) and managed to re-establish their former comp. package.

They however are def. the exception.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 13:35:59

There’s a lot of people in our business out of work. Met a guy who was working a contract in Dubai…..contract was cancelled on Thursday, was on an airplane back to the USA on Friday. Not getting unemployment, so he’s trying to find a job in an environment where the unemployment rate is probably up near 20% or more.

I could survive taking a 50% pay cut, but that’s all I’d be doing…….surviving.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 15:31:01

I was thinking about taking part time job. (yes, business is slow) So I applied at the new super fancy car wash down the road that was about to open.

The guy actually asked me if I knew anything about washing cars and did I have any experience? (seriously, do I need an effing certification as well?)

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Comment by SUGuy
2010-07-14 12:21:15

Mortgage Applications For Home Purchases Hit 1996 Level

Just how bad is the U.S. housing market? After falling off a cliff in May, due to the expiration of the home buyer credit, sales continue to decline further and further. Last week, mortgage applications for home purchases fell by 3.1%, according to the Mortgage Bankers’ Association.

That broke through the worst levels seen in 1997, to hit a point not seen since 1996. They’re now down 69.1% compared to their 2005 peak.
Here’s the chart:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/07/mortgage-applications-for-home-purchases-hit-1996-level/59737/

The green line represents last week’s index value. If purchase applications decline much more, by another 4%, they will hit 1995 levels.

This news is particularly incredible in light of the fact that mortgage rates hit a new all-time low last week. Despite that, Americans still aren’t buying houses. This shows very weak demand, more than two months after the home buyer credit expired.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 13:22:29

1. They still have a way down from here to reach the early-1990s recession levels.

2. “This news is particularly incredible in light of the fact that mortgage rates hit a new all-time low last week.”

Only incredible if you don’t understand that mortgage rates are endogenous; an all time low in mortgage rates and a lack of purchase applications are both likely direct consequences of the big drop-off in home purchase demand due to expiration of the $8K first-time home buyer credit.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 14:17:53

“Despite that, Americans still aren’t buying houses.”

From where I’m sitting, they aren’t buying much of anything else, either.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-07-14 12:50:27

Well it looks like Bristol Palin and Levi are going to get married. Bristol has discovered that she can make 15-30k per speaking engagement. Her topic is abstinence????

Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-14 13:13:07

She’ll draw in Evangs to her “speeches” by the bushel.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-07-14 18:59:09

She will appear on Bible Thumper Huckabee’s show very soon I bet!

Yuck!

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-07-14 13:31:41

In America: If you can fire up the National PR machine, yous can make $$$$$$$$$$$$$ millions & never have to get a “real” job,…EVER! :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-07-14 13:54:22

Of all the egregious sins John McCain can have laid to his account, thrusting Sarah Palin and her brood onto the national stage was perhaps the most awful.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-07-14 19:14:34

LOL! Agreed. She is certainly no Barry Goldwater, but a rehash of Bob Dole combined with Anita Bryant

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-07-14 13:35:26

BP Solar Cuts U.S. Jobs, Moves to China

As the troubled oil giant shutters a Maryland manufacturing facility, big questions arise.

BP Solar recently announced that it is going to shut down its Maryland manufacturing facility in a move to lower costs. According to a release from BP Solar, “The company has ceased silicon casting, wafering, and cell manufacturing at its Frederick, Maryland facility. Approximately 320 great paying positions will be eliminated out of 430 positions at the Frederick location. BP Solar will maintain its U.S. presence in sales and marketing, research and technology, project development, as well as key business support activities.”

To that I ask, what about building stuff in the USA? Are we that cost noncompetitive as a country that we can’t keep the jobs here vs. China?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-07-14 13:48:22

No “incentive” to make stuff here.

All of the people running these multi-nationals live in any of these communities. To them, Joe6Pack is interchangable with JuanSeizPack, who is interchangable with JianLioPak. Except Jian can live off 20% of what Joe makes.

The conventional wisdom of the PTB is that the costs of sending our manufacturing overseas is more than offset by the “savings”. They might even be right for a certain parts of the economy. Now were finding out that shipping jobs overseas by the bushel may not have been such a good idea. Like the “Cash for Clunkers” money…….half of that money went overseas.

 
Comment by polly
2010-07-14 13:49:12

Fredrick MD is awfully close to DC. Not right on top, mind you, but close enough. Why the heck didn’t they try Michigan first? Plenty of skilled manufacturing workers there.

Comment by packman
2010-07-14 14:07:19

Good question.

I’m guessing the answer is politics. It’s easier to drive politicians 45 minutes down 270, that to fly them to god-awful Detroit, in order to show them what good they’re doing for America so they can get favorable treatment.

Apparently it worked, but then this little hitch came along recently…

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-07-14 13:55:26

To that I ask, what about building stuff in the USA? Are we that cost noncompetitive as a country that we can’t keep the jobs here vs. China?

Yes.

This is Exhibit A of why anti-deflationary measures are bad. They drive jobs overseas.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-07-14 13:57:36

That wouldn’t be a not-so-subtle multinational Big Finger Salute to the Obama Administration for their gratuitous BP-bashing, would it? A warning shot, perhaps?

Nah….

How much of Obama’s newly-announced multi-billion dollar “investment” (cough) in solar energy - a scam right up there with ethanol and carbon credits - will end up enriching Chinese manufacturing tycoons?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 15:35:53

China is still booming. They and a lot of nations around the world are huge consumers of solar power products.

We, the most advanced nation on earth (*cough*), are not.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-07-14 13:45:26

Barry is in so far over his head it ain’t funny.

Bill Clinton back in the White House, holds economic meeting with Obama

Burdened by low approval on the economy, President Obama brought former president Bill Clinton and investor Warren Buffett to the White House on Wednesday to talk about job creation.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs denied that Clinton — who oversaw record surpluses and was generally seen as business-friendly — was brought in to mediate between business leaders and Obama, now under fire from corporate leaders for his economic policies.

This week, the US Chamber of Commerce issued a harsh letter complaining that the White House is burdening businesses with too much regulation and hampering job growth.

“Do I think they speak monolithically for business? No,” Gibbs said of the Chamber.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-07-14 13:59:29

It’s a matter of when, not if, Hilary and Bill throw Obama under the bus to lay the groundwork for Ms. Clinton’s own Presidential bid.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 14:06:55

I wouldn’t be so sure about that, Sammy.

Have you seen the latest pix of Bill? The man does not look well. We all know about his recent heart surgery, but I suspect that something else is going on.

As for Hillary, she’s a 60-something Baby Boomer. Say what you will about the Boomers, but, as far as politics are concerned, they have had their day in the sun.

A lot of younger voters aren’t too happy about the debts they’ve been forced to take on to get an education. High housing prices and lousy job opportunities aren’t making them smile either.

Look for some very interesting younger pols to grab hold of this anxiety and use it in very different ways. And I’m not talking about a youthful version of the Tea Party either.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 15:36:54

Hillary is not looking too well either.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 15:43:57

I think that she’s finding out that being Secretary of State is an order of magnitude more difficult than being a senator or campaigning for president. For one thing, she’s in charge of a large federal agency, and, IIRC, she’s never run anything before.

That’s the administrative side. Then there’s the diplomatic side. Yes, she was First Lady for eight years, but being a diplomat — and supervising a global diplomatic corps — is something very different.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-07-14 15:45:31

“Hillary is not looking too well either.”

She never did.

 
 
 
 
Comment by butters
2010-07-14 19:18:28

Clinton’s boys are already working for Barry, no?

I can’t believe that Barry is so clueless. The 2 former presidents you don’t want to get economic advice from are no other than Clinton and Bush jr. God help us….

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-07-14 13:47:45

Beijing starts gating, locking migrant villages.

BEIJING – The government calls it “sealed management.” China’s capital has started gating and locking some of its lower-income neighborhoods overnight, with police or security checking identification papers around the clock, in a throwback to an older style of control.

It’s Beijing’s latest effort to reduce rising crime often blamed on the millions of rural Chinese migrating to cities for work. The capital’s Communist Party secretary wants the approach promoted citywide. But some state media and experts say the move not only looks bad but imposes another layer of control on the already stigmatized, vulnerable migrants.

So far, gates have sealed off 16 villages in the sprawling southern suburbs, where migrants are attracted to cheaper rents and in some villages outnumber permanent residents 10 to one.

“In some ways, this is like the conflict between Americans and illegal immigrants in the States. The local residents feel threatened by the influx of migrants,” Huang Youqin, an associate professor of geography at the University at Albany in New York who has studied gating and political control in China, said in an e-mail. “The risk is that the government can control people’s private life if it wants to.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 14:00:23

“The risk is that the government can control people’s private life if it wants to.”

And NO government in history has EVER done that. [sarcasm off]

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 15:38:50

Puts a whole different light on “gated community”, doesn’t it?

Comment by SaladSD
2010-07-14 22:23:19

Yeah, gotta love it! Bet those HOA special assessments to fix constantly busted gates isn’t worth the special feeling the inmates felt when buying into their little piece of compound heaven.

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-07-14 14:27:27

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britainrsquos-debt-the-untold-story-2025979.html

“The true scale of Britain’s national indebtedness was laid bare by the Office for National Statistics yesterday: almost £4 trillion, or £4,000bn, about four times higher than previously acknowledged.

“It quantifies the burden that will be placed on future generations, and it is the ONS’s first attempt to draw together the “off-balance-sheet” liabilities that have been accumulated by the state. The figures imply a huge “intergenerational transfer” – broadly in favour of today’s “baby boomer” generation at the expense of younger people and future generations.

Oh my. Just wait till today’s hell-spawn, raised mostly out of wedlock and inculcated in a corporatist societal ethos that says human beings are expendable and only youth, beauty, and income bestow value, realize the full magnitude of their screwing by the heedless, self-absorbed boomers. Something tells me a lot of oldsters are going to be getting the Dr. Kervorkian treatment rather than being allowed to be costly lingering burdens on the younger generations they so glibly shafted.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 15:41:53

This is just more “divide and conquer” propaganda.

The “boomers” didn’t vote for bankers or CEOs, the corporatists who actually created this mess.

 
 
Comment by SUGuy
2010-07-14 14:47:50

There is a sucker born every minute. The Germans are a little too late to the house price appreciation party

Is There a Global Economic Slowdown In The Works?

The German property market, in general, is up 10 percent over the same period last year. This is a result of the instability of the euro, according to Roger Schwarz, owner of the Munich real estate company Immo-Makler-Schwarz. He says German buyers are shifting the way they invest by buying property instead of stocks.

Ms. Ettwein, the listing agent for the property featured here, said people “want to put their money into houses,” adding: “They don’t want to leave it in the bank. They are a little bit afraid of what’s going on with the euro.” In particular, she said, the market has improved for properties that cost under 500,000 euros ($633,000, at $1.26 to the euro). And in the loft market, said Michael Gehring, an agent with the Munich real estate company Loft and More Immobilien, demand is even higher, as the supply of loft-convertible buildings is low.

In central Munich, homes average around 4,000 euros per square meter, Mr. Schwartz said. Farther out, the cost for new construction starts at 3,200 euros per square meter, for resale at 2,500 euros. (The house described here is about 4,530 per square meter; it is centrally located and has a loft layout, which is rare.)

“It would have been unthinkable to ask anything close to 10,000 euros a square meter a couple of years ago,” Mr. Schwarz said. “Now, it’s normal.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/greathomesanddestinations/14gh-househunting.html?_r=1&hp

Comment by ecofeco
2010-07-14 15:43:38

Lofts = Condos for the even dumber.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-14 15:46:03

Just west of the University of Arizona campus sits a 1960s- or 1970s-vintage apartment complex that has just been remodeled.

It’s being marketed as (drumroll) University Lofts. AFAIK, they haven’t raised the ceilings, so all they are is a bunch of remodeled apartments.

 
Comment by Shizo
2010-07-14 16:07:52

Thanks for the smile. COTD for me!

 
 
Comment by Sagesse
2010-07-14 18:17:43

What they call “Loft” in Germany is not what is called “loft” in the US.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-07-14 18:05:05

HS Dent says Stocks gonna crash sometime between now and September and Dow will go as low as 3400 by the end of this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiuGrpusI7A

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 20:26:56

Lots of folks seem to be predicting that affordable share prices are in the bag for later this year (Robert Prechter is another).

I will continue to accept the maintained hypothesis that the Fed or other central U.S. governmental authority will stabilize the stock market at levels well above DJIA =1000 until I see convincing evidence to the contrary.

* Money
* Investments

Stock market analysts square up: Will the bears or bulls triumph?

As the famously bearish Robert Prechter predicts a Dow Jones Index below 1,000, stock market analysts disagree over whether to favour equities or gilts

o Mark King
o guardian.co.uk, Thursday 8 July 2010 11.42 BST
o Article history

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-07-14 20:12:47

Hwy celebrates this American man’s birth Anniversary!
(Unlike, GoldenmanSucks, who’s too busy doin’ God’s work)

Woody Guthrie with guitar labeled:
“This Machine Kills Fascists” :-)

“This Land Is Your Land”, in February 1940; it was subtitled “God Blessed America…”Singin’:

As I went walking, I saw a sign there,
And on the sign there, It said “no trespassing.” [In another version, the sign reads "Private Property"]
But on the other side, it didn’t say nothing!
That side was made for you and me.

In the squares of the city, In the shadow of a steeple;
By the relief office, I’d seen my people.
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking,
Is this land made for you and me?

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-07-15 07:08:01

I have to dig out my red bandanna and Che Guevara shirt to join in the celebration. Wait. I don’t have either of those things.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 20:33:27

What do you all think of Prechter’s gloomy predictions? I almost wonder if I should sell my own meager horde of stock shares, just in case he is right?

A US stock market analyst is warning investors that they should prepare for the biggest market fall for 300 years. The bearish Robert Prechter has told the New York Times that investors should exit the equity market completely and switch their funds to cash equivalents, such as gilts (Treasury bills in the US).

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-15 00:19:42

Do Prechter’s predictions factor in a passive, non-interventionist Fed? Or do they assume the actual aggressively interventionist Fed we have will find itself incapable of taking any action to avoid a 90% drop in the stock market?

Given how much the Fed has already done to prop up asset prices, I don’t see how one can reasonably assume them out of the picture…

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-07-15 10:51:29

Self fulfilling prophecy. Everybody out of the pool, water level sinks.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-14 23:58:25

Topic:
Great Recession
Tuesday, Jul 13, 2010 10:14 ET
The root of economic fragility and political anger
Americans who have jobs are being forced to work longer — and for lower hourly wages
By Robert Reich

Missing from almost all discussion of America’s dizzying rate of unemployment is the brute fact that hourly wages of people with jobs have been dropping, adjusted for inflation. Average weekly earnings rose a bit this spring only because the typical worker put in more hours, but June’s decline in average hours pushed weekly paychecks down at an annualized rate of 4.5 percent.

In other words, Americans are keeping their jobs or finding new ones only by accepting lower wages.

Meanwhile, a much smaller group of Americans’ earnings are back in the stratosphere: Wall Street traders and executives, hedge-fund and private-equity fund managers, and top corporate executives. As hiring has picked up on the Street, fat salaries are reappearing. Richard Stein, president of Global Sage, an executive search firm, tells the New York Times corporate clients have offered compensation packages of more than $1 million annually to a dozen candidates in just the last few weeks.

We’re back to the same ominous trend as before the Great Recession: a larger and larger share of total income going to the very top while the vast middle class continues to lose ground.

And as long as this trend continues, we can’t get out of the shadow of the Great Recession. When most of the gains from economic growth go to a small sliver of Americans at the top, the rest don’t have enough purchasing power to buy what the economy is capable of producing.

America’s median wage, adjusted for inflation, has barely budged for decades. Between 2000 and 2007 it actually dropped. Under these circumstances the only way the middle class could boost its purchasing power was to borrow, as it did with gusto. As housing prices rose, Americans turned their homes into ATMs. But such borrowing has its limits. When the debt bubble finally burst, vast numbers of people couldn’t pay their bills, and banks couldn’t collect.

Each of America’s two biggest economic downturns over the last century has followed the same pattern. Consider: in 1928 the richest 1 percent of Americans received 23.9 percent of the nation’s total income. After that, the share going to the richest 1 percent steadily declined. New Deal reforms, followed by World War II, the GI Bill and the Great Society expanded the circle of prosperity. By the late 1970s the top 1 percent raked in only 8 to 9 percent of America’s total annual income. But after that, inequality began to widen again, and income reconcentrated at the top. By 2007 the richest 1 percent were back to where they were in 1928—with 23.5 percent of the total.

We all know what happened in the years immediately following these twin peaks—in 1929 and 2008.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-07-15 07:10:51

I can handle lower wages if house prices drop with them. But I see the average senior engineer driving a $40,000 car. Imagine if a good quality house reverts to $100,000. Wouldn’t you expect quality automobile prices to fall accordingly? I cannot imagine someone parking a $60,000 BMW in the garage of a $100,000 house.

 
 
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