I’m stoked too. A couple weeks ago I got to use my DOW 10,000! ball cap again for the 32nd time since 1999. I like to put it on every time DOW 10,000 is crossed up or down.
Talk about good investments, it’s looking a little worn out but that ball cap rocks!
Democratic pundits have stated that the Dems plan to push a lot of things through in a “lame duck” session after the expected losses in the November elections. So a tax increase would definately be expected.
Plus a lot of the Bush tax breaks are set to expire next year, so even without Congress acting we should expect certain tax increases.
15% capital gains tax on dividends and long term capital gains will almost double, depending on your tax bracket. So it behooves anyone (including mutual funds, etc.) who happens to have long term gains to sell by the year end. You may even see companies who normally give dividends in January or February push them forward to December.
Get Out While You Can! Dow Headed to 5000, Charles Nenner Says
Tech Ticker ~ 7-15-10
Enjoy the recent stock market rally while it lasts. Market forecaster Charles Nenner tells Tech Ticker stocks will peak in about a month and then head south for the year.
“After late August I expect the market to go down again,” and eventually test the March 2009 lows in the next few years, he says on the phone from Israel. Therefore, long-term investors would be wise to use this rally as an opportunity to get out of stocks. “I see this as a bear market rally,” he says comparing the U.S. market to Japan – a prolonged bear market with wild fluctuations.
Until the end of August, stocks will trade in a tight range, he predicts. His near term upside target is 1155 on the S&P 500, but that’s only if it first breaks 1100. If the market finds resistance and closes below 1085, it could spell trouble.
It’s worth paying attention to Nenner’s warning. As Seeking Alpha contributor Cliff Wachtel points out, Nenner has a pretty good track record with his recent calls:
Looks to me like Fat Finger Boy is taking that sucker straight down at the moment, but there is no reason a mysterious midday rally can’t bring ‘er right back up to the opening bell by closing time.
It was enough for Larry Summers, a Harvard economist and senior economic adviser to President Barack Obama, to declare that the country was moving toward “escape velocity”: The recession had been defeated, and we were now on the path of self-sustaining growth. Then things started to unravel. Whoops.
It started with the announcement of the government’s lawsuit against Goldman Sachs (GS, news, msgs) on April 16, continued with the European debt crisis and accelerated on signs of weakness in recent economic reports. The economy’s rate of growth has slowed with the ISM Manufacturing and Non-Manufacturing indexes pulling back slightly on a reduction in new orders. Corporate payrolls fell by 125,000 last month. Consumer and investor confidence has been shaken as fears of a “double-dip” recession have grown. And stocks are down about 10% from their 2010 highs.
Things got so bad that when technical analyst Robert Prechter predicted this month in a New York Times article that the Dow could fall as low as 1,000 — from around 10,000 now — the most dour forecast I’ve heard sounded reasonable to a lot of people.
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What a crock of $hit. Hope and change was dead the moment the empty suit appointed Geithner and Summers. Everything after that was just excuses.
My prediction: Timmy and Larry and Robbie (Rubin) will be walking the plank within a year. Something about Obama finally waking up and realizing that having a Wall Street-centric economic team will hurt him in 2012.
And another prediction: Watch for the public option to come back in a big way before 2012. Something about keeping the insurance companies honest. (And, yes, we’ve heard that little ditty before.)
Comment by Big V
2010-07-15 12:28:37
I don’t get why everyone on this board keeps bagging on Obie. Just yesterday (I think), on NPR, they were doing a show where they were talking about how “business leaders” (Goldman Sachs, BP, etc) had written this letter to Obama saying how they thought he should be more “friendly” toward them on taxes, etc. They thought he should be more friendly toward “free trade”, and so on and so on.
Now, isn’t that exactly what we want to hear? That BP, GS, etc are pissed? That Obama is not following along with globalization (i.e., “free trade”)? By all signs, it appears to me that Obie is doing EXACTLY what HBBers want.
1. Tariffs on tires.
2. Making banks pay back the Bush bailout over time.
3. Not being a “free trader”.
4. Ticking off FBs by creating programs that only help the most deserving of them, while leaving the rest to figure it out for themselves.
Sounds great to me.
Comment by nycityboy
2010-07-15 12:40:06
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Guantanamo Bay
- Love affair with public unions
- Wasted stimulus money
- Sweet words and reach-arounds for Blankfein and Dimon
- Quashing of the “audit the Fed” movement led directly by the White House
- Inaction on the Gulf of Mexico tragedy
- Not only failure to secure border but lawsuits to fight a state that is trying to do what he won’t do
- Vilification of Tea Parties which are practicing their constitutional rights (whether you agree with them or not)
- Re-nomination of Bernanke
- Geithner and Summers and Rubin
- Rahm Emanuel
I don’t get why everyone on this board keeps bagging on Obie.
I don’t bag on Brock.
But I am frustrated.
I think he used way more hype than was necessary to beat either Hillary or McCain - the former being essentially “unelectable” and the latter being simply a Bush retread.
He used all that hype, but once he was in office, things really haven’t changed that much. The problems we face are enormous and the hype makes him look ineffectual at best.
Not to mention continuing the Bush administration’s fight to protect AT&T from being investigated for illegal wire-tapping, for one.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-15 13:18:40
“I don’t get why everyone on this board keeps bagging on Obie.”
It may seem that way at times, but only because Eddie and WMBZ post an awful lot…
Comment by oxide
2010-07-15 14:02:00
Obama is not an empty suit, no matter how much Rush likes to call him that.
How can one be an empty suit AND operate the Grand Conspiracy to make everyone dependent on the gov dole so they keep voing Dem at the same time?
The real empty suit is Sarah Palin. When is the last time she spoke without a teleprompter? Oh, right, when Katie asked her what newspapers she read.
Comment by DinOR
2010-07-15 15:24:46
lavi d,
I’d admit to being pretty frustrated too, but if we’re being fair, that’s a generation’s worth of President’s contingencies to deal with? Let alone in 2 years.
I noted the overkill on the hype earlier today as well.
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-07-15 17:28:40
Blah, blah, blah…
Cheney-Shrub hand-off the US economy Jan 2009: “It’s all there, you just have to… rebuild it! See ya!”
“How can one be an empty suit AND operate the Grand Conspiracy to make everyone dependent on the gov dole so they keep voing Dem at the same time?”
The same way that Bush was at the same time a blithering idiot AND an evil genius who orchestrated 9/11 to get the US into Iraq to get all its oil.
I have never said he’s an empty suit. I have always said he is a power hungry socialist who will destory this country. And, right I was.
Comment by James
2010-07-15 18:50:37
Highway you do realize there were plenty of democrats in charge for three years or so now. A lot of them were responsible for the TARP bailout along with other abominations like the GM bailout.
Those things are not good for the ole USA.
While the wreckage was clearly building under Bush and the Republicans plenty of democrats were steadily working to make things worse. You had Barney Frank and Chris Dodd pushing on Fannie/Freddie/FHA to absorb a hell of a lot of bad debt as gifts to the banks. Not to mention fighting any reform. And Krugman can go f5ck himself about the GSE not being an enabler in this fiasco; before you and the liberal clan bring it up. Clearly being originators on 1/3 the debt during the bubble and all of the origination since means your a major cause.
Anyhow, things are getting ground through. So many cooked balance sheets and so little transparency. Be a long time before capital formation allows us to write off and dispose of the bad banks. Hopefully the empty suit in the whitehouse doesn’t money with our currency enough to cause a collapse. Nice team he picked there. Republicans couldn’t have done it any better.
FOREX is going against the $US today, too. Can’t be a good sign for the U.S. economic outlook, as typically, a weakening of the dollar is seen later in the days when an early-day U.S. stock market swoon turns into a late day rally.
Dow 12K is still my prediction for 2010. Almost got there in June
Yes, back in the spring you predicted Dow 12K by June. The market is no higher now than it was then. How does this count as being “almost” correct?
Even if I accept that 11,250 is “almost” 12K (only off by 6%, a full year’s return in a good year), this prediction would be useless unless you also warned us about the subsequent huge drop. Only SUSTAINED rises in the averages might (or might not) indicate a real recovery.
Dude, I’m not a fortune teller here to warn you about things.
In Jan while many of y’all were talking about Dow 6K or 7K in 2010, I said 12K by June. I was off by 700 and off by a month.
Here is where it counts:
How much money did you make with the 6k or 7k prediction? Excactly. How much money did I make with the 12K prediction? Exactly.
Now here is my prediction (not fortune prediction mind you)…12K by EOY. If you think I’m full of it, short the markets like they’ve never been shorted before and make more money than you’ll know what to do with and rub it in my face if you’re right. I’ll stay long.
I didn’t predict it in the “spring” I predicted it in Dec/Jan when Dow was just north of 10K. I said 12K by June. Dow hit 11.3K in May. Sorry, next time I’ll try to be more accurate than “pretty damn close”.
BTW how is that Dow 1K prediction coming along that I see so often here?
Extra7/14/2010 8:30 PM ET
Could the Dow fall to 1,000?
A recent dive in the market and some pessimistic predictions have investors running scared again. Here’s a look at some worst-case scenarios — and how to prepare.
By Anthony Mirhaydari
MSN Money
Things got so bad that when technical analyst Robert Prechter predicted this month in a New York Times article that the Dow could fall as low as 1,000 — from around 10,000 now — the most dour forecast I’ve heard sounded reasonable to a lot of people.
Cycles and fate
Charles Nenner believes the stock market, like the economy and indeed the universe, is predetermined. In a phone conversation from Israel, Nenner outlined a rather bleak future: Stocks should rise to an important top sometime in September, before a two-year fall.
Nenner’s work is based on cycles. His research focuses on uncovering and harnessing the overlapping patterns that are at work in the world. Technical analysis is already something of a dark art. Cycle work is on the fringes of what is already seen by many as a pseudoscience. But Nenner has demonstrated a downright-scary ability to glimpse into the future. And that’s why hedge funds and other institutional traders pay top dollar for his insights.
On the surface, believing that markets operate on some unseen wavelength is at once ridiculous and curiously plausible. After all, our lives are controlled by cycles: the cycle of night and day, the workweek, the seasons, the human gestation period of 40 weeks, the tides and the weather.
Though it’s not perfect, Nenner’s track record suggests he could be on to something. Nenner caught a lot of people’s attention when he warned of trouble in 2007 and recommended people stay out of stocks throughout 2008. In February 2009, he predicted a major rally would start “in a few weeks” and take the S&P 500 Index ($INX) up over 1,000. And in April 2009, he said gold would go on to a new high in a year. Both predictions came true.
In a May 31 note to clients, Nenner said that the stock market’s rise in late May was a head fake and that another low was due around June 11. The actual date was June 8. His cycle work then showed a dramatic slide lower starting in late June and continuing into July. That’s exactly what happened.
Next, Nenner expects an intermediate high for stocks later this month, followed by a late-August slide that retests recent lows and then a strong rebound into September. Though the short-term outlook doesn’t seem so bad, Nenner’s medium-term forecast is rather gloomy.
After the September bump, the cycles suggest stocks should fall into a major low due Christmas Eve. How major? Think of the November 2008 to March 2009 period. Something like that.
As for a specific price target, Nenner believes the Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU) should return to the 7,000 level sometime over the next two years –
Click on the 5yr view and compare current to June 2008 levels. She’s screaming “deflation,” but the international monetary authorities will do what they can to stifle her screams…
Don’t know about those ships, but those shipping costs must be plummeting day-in, day-out for a reason. I suspect the global dry bulk shipping market is responding to a collapse of the Chinese-U.S. symbiosis, reflected by a dearth of demand for dry bulk shipments.
July 16 (Bloomberg) — China’s stocks declined, dragging the benchmark index lower for a second day, as U.S. reports showed manufacturing contracted and wholesale prices dropped, fueling concerns of a global slowdown.
Cosco Shipping Co. fell 0.9 percent as a measure of marine freight costs dropped. Zijin Mining Group Co. dropped 4.2 percent after it said three managers were detained by the police after an acid spill. Poly Real Estate Group Co. slid as the China Securities Journal cited a Shanghai official as saying a property tax would be well-timed. Agricultural Bank of China Ltd. lost 0.4 percent in Shanghai as it debuted in Hong Kong.
The benchmark Shanghai Composite Index sank 11.5, or 0.5 percent, to 2,412.81 as of 10 a.m. local time. The measure yesterday slumped the most in two weeks after economic growth trailed estimates and is headed for a 2.4 percent loss for the week. The CSI 300 Index fell 0.3 percent to 2,600.6.
“Sentiment is very negative at the moment,” Anthony Bolton, Fidelity International’s president for investment, said in a Bloomberg Television interview. Measures to curb property speculation will be maintained “for a while because I think they really want to cool the property market down,” he said.
The Shanghai index has declined 26 percent this year, the worst performance among benchmark Asian gauges, on concern measures by the government to control real-estate speculation and rising consumer prices will slow the world’s third-largest economy. Stocks on the gauge trade at 18 times reported earnings, compared with last year’s high of 35 times.
Agricultural Bank fell 0.4 percent to 2.69 yuan, barely above its initial public offering price of 2.68 yuan. Its stock rose 2.2 percent in Hong Kong.
Economic Growth
Industrial output rose 13.7 percent, compared with analysts’ forecasts of 15.1 percent. That was the weakest since September, excluding January and February numbers distorted by a Lunar New Year holiday.
U.S. stocks tumbled yesterday as Federal Reserve reports on the Philadelphia and New York regions showed manufacturing growth trailed economist estimates, suggesting corporate profit growth may not be sustained. Stocks reversed losses after BP Plc said it temporarily halted the flow of oil from its Gulf of Mexico well and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. rallied before settling the federal government’s fraud lawsuit.
Cosco Shipping fell 0.9 percent to 6.77 yuan. China Cosco Shipping Co. slid 0.6 percent to 8.74 yuan.
Shipping Costs
The Baltic Dry Index fell 9 points, or 0.5 percent, to 1,700 points, according to the Baltic Exchange in London. That’s the 35th consecutive drop, the longest streak since November 1995.
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‘Markets up 7 days straight. Ready to make it 8. Dow 12K is still my prediction for 2010. Almost got there in June, we’ll get there by Dec.”
Eddie, if you think Obama and the administration are making the wrong decisions for the health of our economy– which i agree with you on– why does it not follow that the market should have a very bad year?
In other words, if you think the government is doing all the wrong things, how are you a market cheerleader?
U.S. homes repossessed by banks set to hit record 1 million this year
Washington Times
The number of American homes repossessed by banks hit a record high in the second quarter of the year, putting the number of foreclosures on track to hit a record 1 million by the end of 2010.
Bank repossessions increased 5 percent from the previous quarter and 38 percent from the second quarter of 2009 to 268,962, according to data released early Thursday by RealtyTrac, an Irvine, Calif., firm that tracks the foreclosure market.
But while the number of homes in the final stage of the foreclosure process increased, the number of new filings fell. Both default and auction notices were down on a month-over-month and year-over-year basis.
The combination of bad news and good news can be explained by two seemingly contradictory trends that are the result of Obama administration efforts to encourage with lenders to help homeowners in distresss.
Over the past few months, lenders have been clearing out a backlog of homes that had been temporarily saved from foreclosure thanks to prevention efforts in 2009. And at the same time, they have been delaying foreclosure proceedings on homeowners with delinquent payments and instead trying to work with more aggressive loan modification strategies or to accept a short sale.
Given that the housing market seems to get ever more constipated with its backlog of repossessed homes, it seems certain that a massive inventory dump will follow at some point.
At KXCI, we had a deejay who fit that profile to a tee. This gal wanted to be in radio so bad it hurt. But, alas, the industry leans toward the button-pushers, and that’s what her previous radio gigs were like. And she was miserable.
Well, she came to KXCI and just unleashed her talents upon our listenership. It was impressive, to say the least.
Alas, she just left the station to pursue her musical and voiceover careers. She just put out another album, and it’s good stuff.
We really miss her, but, at the same time, we wish her well. I think we’ll be able to say that we knew her when.
A seacoast food pantry says the cupboards are bare yet decides to pay twice as much rent for a location with better physical layout to improve workflow.
I’m sorry but this is what is wrong with America. When she tells us they’ve always had beans, a food pantry staple and now they don’t even have beans and even their secret stash room is now empty shouldn’t it scream out to her they can’t afford to double the rent?
Good article, CarrieAnn. One would think that because the new space is in the city hall that the city would give them a deal on the space.
Its a little ironic that meat and produce are still plentiful in the food pantry (donated by grocery stores who couldn’t sell them), since they’re among the more expensive items.
Everyone loves planning for new space and making “work flow” better. You get to have a little party with photo ops and donated cupcakes and sometimes even cutting a ribbon. No one likes saying may be we should move to a lower rent area NOW while stocks are low and it would be cheap to move what little we have and then we can spend more money on our actual purpose for existing which is giving food to hungry people.
The directors of the organization need to grow up and kick the woman in charge in the behind. Maybe she needs a salary cut too.
Yes, Polly, but you must understand the nature of enterprising people. Their goal, whether it is government, business, religion or charity, is to EXPAND their sphere of influence and importance.
If the GOAL was to get people off of handouts and donations from others, then the enterprise is a total failure……..along with all government programs like “headstart”, public housing, food stamps, AFDC programs, and the like.
EVERY social worker wants to be in charge of more “recipients” so that their own self-importance rises and they are secure in their organizations continuing mission.
The mission never ends………….it just expands.
This is another example of expanding the mission. If, however, it was a real business, in the real world, and failed to have sufficient revenues, it would simply close. As it should.
Here in Tucson, the Community Food Bank is very big on the “donate a can of food” mentality. They also have a food security center that has various programs to teach people how to grow their own food. IIRC, this center also runs a community garden.
Well, guess which part of the food bank has more oomph? If you guessed the “donate the can” side, you’re right.
And, what’s especially infuriating to me is that a friend used to work at the food bank. She was way up there on the org chart, and I used to get on my “Give the food security center more airplay!” soapbox on a regular basis.
My friend never disagreed with my rants, but, from what I could gather, there were internal politics that prevented the FSC from getting more promotion in the community.
Far too many neighborhoods these days don’t allow food gardens. And the reality is you can’t feed yourself from a few pots on the back porch. Supplement, yes, but rely on, no.
The March of Dimes original goal was to stamp out polio. After the Sauk and Sabine vaccines came out, they properly should have thrown a victory party and disbanded.
This was 50 years ago. Last time I checked MOD is still around.
NATO was established to counter the USSR’s attempts to dominate Europe. The USSR collapsed 20 years ago. NATO should have thrown a victory party and disbanded.
Charities and non-profits don’t live in the real world. It’s why I gave up on them long ago and cringe whenever I hear politicians say we should rely more on the private charities as our social safety net.
It’s the equivalent of investing Social Security in the stock market. Or sticking your finger in a light socket.
Homes lost to foreclosure on track for 1M in 2010
By ALEX VEIGA, AP
7 hours ago
LOS ANGELES — More than 1 million American households are likely to lose their homes to foreclosure this year, as lenders work their way through a huge backlog of borrowers who have fallen behind on their loans.
Nearly 528,000 homes were taken over by lenders in the first six months of the year, a rate that is on track to eclipse the more than 900,000 homes repossessed in 2009, according to data released Thursday by RealtyTrac Inc., a foreclosure listing service.
“That would be unprecedented,” said Rick Sharga, a senior vice president at RealtyTrac.
By comparison, lenders have historically taken over about 100,000 homes a year, Sharga said.
The surge in home repossessions reflects the dynamic of a foreclosure crisis that has shown signs of leveling off in recent months, but remains a crippling drag on the housing market.
The pace at which new homes falling behind in payments and entering the foreclosure process has slowed as banks continue to let delinquent borrowers stay longer in their homes rather than adding to the glut of foreclosed properties on the market. At the same time, lenders have stepped up repossessions in an effort to clear out the backlog of distressed inventory on their books.
The number of households facing foreclosure in the first half of the year climbed 8 percent versus the same period last year, but dropped 5 percent from the last six months of 2009, according to RealtyTrac, which tracks notices for defaults, scheduled home auctions and home repossessions.
In all, about 1.7 million homeowners received a foreclosure-related warning between January and June. That translates to one in 78 U.S. homes.
Foreclosure notices posted monthly declines in April, May and June, but Sharga said one shouldn’t read too much into that.
“The banks are really sort of controlling or managing the dial on how fast these things get processed so they can ultimately manage the inventory of distressed assets on the market,” he said.
On average, it takes about 15 months for a home loan to go from being 30 days late to the property being foreclosed and sold, according to Lender Processing Services Inc., which tracks mortgages.
Assuming the U.S. economy doesn’t worsen, aggravating the foreclosure crisis, Sharga projects it will take lenders through 2013 to resolve the backlog of distressed properties that have on their books right now.
And a new wave of foreclosures could be coming in the second half of the year, especially if the unemployment rate remains high, mortgage-assistance programs fail, and the economy doesn’t improve fast enough to lift home sales.
The prospect of lenders taking over more than a million homes this year is likely to push housing values down, experts say.
Foreclosed homes are typically sold at steep discounts, lowering the value of surrounding properties.
“The downward pressure from foreclosures will persist and prices will be very weak well into 2012,” said Celia Chen, senior director of Moody’s Economy.com.
She projects home prices will fall as much as 6 percent over the next 12 months from where they were in the first-quarter.
Economic woes, such as unemployment or reduced income, continue to be the main catalysts for foreclosures this year. Initially, lax lending standards were the culprit. Now, homeowners with good credit who took out conventional, fixed-rate loans are the fastest growing group of foreclosures.
There are more than 7.3 million home loans in some stage of delinquency, according to Lender Processing Services.
Lenders are offering to help some homeowners modify their loans. But many borrowers can’t qualify or they are falling back into default. The Obama administration’s $75 billion foreclosure prevention effort has made only a small dent in the problem.
More than a third of the 1.2 million borrowers who have enrolled in the mortgage modification program have dropped out. That compares with about 27 percent who have received permanent loan modifications and are making payments on time.
Among states, Nevada posted the highest foreclosure rate in the first half of the year. One in every 17 households there received a foreclosure notice. However, foreclosures there are down 6 percent from a year earlier.
Arizona, Florida, California and Utah were next among states with the highest foreclosure rates. Rounding out the top 10 were Georgia, Michigan, Idaho, Illinois and Colorado.
Buy your next home from Uncle Sam
As a result of rising foreclosures, some Americans will buy their next home from the U.S. government.
By Eric Fox of Investopedia
Americans who are brave enough to buy a home despite persistent predictions of a double dip in housing may want to contact the federal government, as the recession and financial crisis have turned Uncle Sam into one of the largest owners of real estate in the United States.
Rising foreclosures
The housing bust has led to an unprecedented number of foreclosures in the U.S. In May, 322,920 foreclosure notices were filed against homeowners, and more than 3 million homes have been seized over the last five years from delinquent borrowers.
While most homebuyers may assume that banks are the only source of foreclosures, the U.S. government also owns many residential properties because of its role in buying and guaranteeing mortgages. Many of these properties are held because of the conservatorship established in 2008 over the government-sponsored enterprises popularly known as Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.
Ramping up the number of home loans backed by Uncle Sam’s guarantee served the dual purpose of helping to prop up housing demand at unaffordable prices and rewarding participating lenders by guaranteeing loan principle at unaffordable levels. You see, it’s all about keeping home prices propped up on a permanently high plateau of unaffordability which the market would not otherwise bear.
You are wrong. Politicians did not put us on the hook for all this guarantee business. It was the FED Chairman and the Treasury Secretary. Who said the FED could “BUY” up existing mortgages from Banks? Who said the Treasury could guarantee the debts of GSE’s.
This was done without consent and is an UNCONSTITUIONAL over-reach of the mandates of both parties.
CONgress, however, and that useless EEOC-promoted, self-deluded moron with a good reading voice in the Whitehouse, smiled at the wonderful job they were doing helping to bring about “economic recovery”.
He has a entire team of “yes-MEN” as economic “advisers”. No wonder he is so adverse to ANYONE who would say NO.. to his schemes.
I looked at both Fannie and Freddie REO websites, and the cupboards were pretty bare in my target area. One of them showed 5-7 properties, mostly condos. Apparently, the govt.’s REO situation is mirroring the banks and their holdout on releasing properties.(So Ca)
Please, do you really expect Uncle Sam to get into the retail UHS business? Have you forgotten what happened with the savings and loan crisis and the government agency that was set up to handle all the repos back then? Insiders bought all the good stuff in bulk (at prices way below comps) and then flipped them at a profit. As flips, they were no longer foreclosures. Same thing’s happening now, whether the owner is a bank or Fan or Fred.
Having a brain f@rt, can’t remember the name of that famous agency. Help me out.
When you’ve got a printing press as a backstop, there’s no incentive to try and sell houses before the prices go down, including trying to sell them before creatures, rot, vandals, etc. get ahold of the property.
(That goes for banks too, BTW)
That’s the sad thing about this whole mess. We could have gotten out of this mess with better homes for most people, at prices that were at or below norms; if the government had let the free market perform as it should. But instead all that extra effort that was spent building those homes will be wasted as the homes rot with no tenants.
I’ve only found about 2-3 foreclosures on the multiple searches I’ve done yet the number of parcels w/unkept yards and overgrown gardens I’ve noted is far greater. Somehow I don’t think these people are in Europe while their yard service lost their contract.
Fed: Should consider more easing if outlook worsens.
(Reuters) - Federal Reserve officials felt last month they should be ready to consider additional steps to boost the U.S. economy if an already softening outlook took a noticeable turn for the worse.
“As a result of the change in financial conditions, most participants revised down slightly their outlook for economic growth,” minutes of the June 22-23 meeting of the Fed’s policy panel released on Wednesday said.
“The committee would need to consider whether further policy stimulus might become appropriate if the outlook were to worsen appreciably,” they said.
At the same time, the Fed should continue to test ways to withdraw some of the massive amounts of credit it has pumped into the financial system, officials at the central bank agreed.
One trick ponies only know one trick. Get that printing press lubed up and let her go. Do you really need PHDs to do what they do? I would guess the guy on the 2 train that sits in his own feces all day long could do as well or better than Bernanke. It’s not like the job takes any imagination or vision.
Even assets not traditionally included in the Fed’s portfolio, such as mortgage backed securities, start to look like nails once that hammer starts swinging fast enough.
Lol, the Fed wants to “consider more easing if the outlook worsens” at the same time they want to “withdraw some of the massive amounts of credit it has pumped into the financial system”.
1) They are signaling they will do mutually contradictory policy actions, so that nobody can possibly guess how they will proceed.
2) They have set the stage for whatever course of action they choose, so nobody will be able to accuse them that their actions are inconsistent with their announcements.
They want to keep investors off balance. If everyone starts thinking inflation or deflation the jig is up and the boat will capsize as everyone runs to that side of the deck.
President Obama has appointed a national debt commission to report after the November midterm elections on ways that the federal deficits can be brought under control.
“The heads of the panel told the National Governors Association Sunday that everything needs to be considered including curtailing popular tax breaks, such as the home mortgage deduction”.
“The debt is like a cancer,” Democrat Erskine Bowles told the governors. “It is going to destroy the country from within.”
President Obama has appointed a national debt commission to report after the November midterm elections on ways that the federal deficits can be brought under control.
The book is called, “Do Not Buy Things You Cannot Afford”. It’s only one page long.
Yeah, they could save a few bucks by not having to pay the national debt commission as well.
I wonder why the report has to be after the elections? Perhaps getting the dems re-elected is going to require a bit more spending and he wouldn’t want a pesky report to stand in the way.
Again, someone needs to let this clown know our county has already BEEN destroyed.
It was over when we gave Wall St. and big corporations free reign back in the junk bond, offshoring, de-regulation, labor law gutting, shareholder neutering, greed is good 1980s.
It’s all over but the shouting. The fat lady has sung.
Raise your hand if, like me, you’ve been in a state of “seething” for months now (years really), because you knew this would be the result - nay the goal - of all the financial shenanigans.
These guys are taking America down, for their fat profits.
As you might remember I was seething this time 2 years ago. I’ve just been waiting for the crowd to catch up w/me. But now I don’t even care if they do anymore. On the other side of that anger, the emotion is gone and all I care about is my immediate family. They’re on board. I’m just waiting for more info to decide on my next move. Nothing surprises me anymore.
ScienceDaily (July 14, 2010) — A new study from the University of Leicester Department of Economics reveals that highly educated people make wrong assumptions about their political leanings — they are more likely to think they are left wing when they are more likely to be relatively conservative. The study suggests that some people may end up voting for left of centre parties because they hold the mistaken belief that they are left wing.
The research by Dr James Rockey, a lecturer in Economics, used data from the World Values Survey and described the opinions and characteristics of 136,000 individuals, in 82 countries, over a period of over 20 years.
Yep. I’d be willing to bet most of the people who he tagged as ‘mistakenly thinking they are left leaning’ are people who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
HOT DOGS, PEANUTS, POPCORN, GETCHA FORRECLOSURES HERE! RED HOTS, WE GOTCHA RED HOTS!
“Still, long lines of attorneys signing in, searching for the other party in the case - sometimes by shouting a name - and lingering in the hallway can appear chaotic.”
Glut of foreclosed homes expected to depress prices
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 5:27 a.m. Thursday, July 15, 2010
Hank Fishkind, president of Fishkind & Associates, an Orlando-based financial and real estate consultant firm, likened the foreclosures to a rabbit moving through the digestive system of a snake.
“The lump is carrying through, and now we will get huge volumes of distress sales,” Fishkind said. “Sales will go up but prices will go down.”
Palm Beach County’s median price for a single-family home in May was $235,200, already down $155,800 from May 2006.
“The bank takeovers are painful now,” said Fishkind, whose company has offices in Naples and Port St. Lucie.
Some of that pain is illustrated Monday through Thursday mornings on the 11th floor of the Palm Beach County Courthouse, as attorneys jostle for uniform motion calendar hearings in front of foreclosure Judge Meenu Sasser.
Once held in a smaller fourth-floor courtroom, the housekeeping-type hearings moved to a more spacious area upstairs because of their volume. Still, long lines of attorneys signing in, searching for the other party in the case - sometimes by shouting a name - and lingering in the hallway can appear chaotic.
Homeowners in South Carolina are entering foreclosure at a faster rate than last year – and Columbia is faring worst out of all the major metropolitan areas, a new report says.
The number of homes that received a foreclosure notice in S.C. during the first six months of the year jumped 34 percent from the same period in 2009, the report from RealtyTrac says, and nearly every metro area saw an increase.
Foreclosure filings rose 53 percent in the first half of the year, but held steady compared with the second half of 2009.
“I’m shocked. I didn’t think it would be that high,” said longtime Columbia real estate agent Jay Graham.
“This is a sign of the times we’re in.”
The real estate and foreclosure crisis hit South Carolina’s coast much earlier and harder than other metro areas. Investors in places like Myrtle Beach sent home prices skyrocketing during the real estate boom in 2005. But the area saw sharp drop-offs in home sales and prices at least a year earlier than Columbia.
But the problem in the Midlands has prompted real estate companies to start training many of their agents in recent months in how to deal with foreclosure properties. Real estate experts say foreclosure sales are going to be a significant part of the market at least for the next couple of years.
“I’m shocked. I didn’t think it would be that high,” said longtime Columbia real estate agent Jay Graham.
I am shocked that a real estate agent is shocked. They are usually so well in tune with the macro economic environment. This really shakes my faith in the system. If real estate agents don’t understand what is going on in the housing market then clearly nobody can. After all they are “real estate professionals”.
There’s really no reason to think that a RE agent WOULD know much about macroeconomics. No more than you’d expect a car salesman to be able to repair your car, or a stock broker to run a company. They’re all SALESMEN.
Think of sales as an implicit level of stealth welfare. Value added? = 0.
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Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-15 06:18:16
Comission worker + no sales = self-unemployed.
Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2010-07-15 07:18:28
Salespeople can provide value added. I very much appreciate when a salesperson is so knowledgeable about the range of products that I can substitute his or her experience for my own research. Doing my own research is often very expensive, especially when I do not have the expertise and it is not worth my time to gain it (such as running shoes/analyzing gait, bike fitment).
Of course, one has to be able to discern when salespeople are just pushing a convenient product and when they are truly doing analysis to choose the best product for *you.* This may be difficult when the stakes are high.
Comment by In Colorado
2010-07-15 08:03:19
Q: How can you tell when a salesman (or saleswoman) is lying?
A: Their lips are moving.
Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-15 08:14:33
CCC absouloutely. Even in a place like Best Buy, where the norm is “never mind, I can read the box just as well as you can,” you do sometimes find useful sales people. I distinctly remember a guy in the digital camera department when I was buying a camera for my parents. He got a crowd around as he would patiently answer questions from buyers in turn. Really I think that many of us were learning enough from his answers to other peoples questions that simply standing around listening was worthwhile.
And the buying and selling process in RE is complicated enough that an RE agent can definitly be worthwhile. Now I’m not sure that it’s worth 4%, especially for expensive propeerties.
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-15 08:40:21
I dunno fellas, on small things like tech stuff - I prefer the approach of watching the experiences friends and coworkers. Let them buy first and learn from their mistakes. Internet research helps too.
As for houses, I’ve yet to meet an agent that knows my target neighborhoods as well as I do - or knows construction methods and materials (my grandfather was a small time hopebuilder). BTW, hiring a good RE lawyer is a much better value than paying a commission.
Oh, and what if I should find myself moving to a new area? - why I would RENT - and learn the the lay of the land firsthand before buying.
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-07-15 09:53:53
edgewaterjohn
I agree with you. I’m licensed in Ca (I could sit for my Brokers exam)and we are using a R E Lawyer. The fiduciary relationship is real.
Comment by Mike in Carlsbad
2010-07-15 11:24:12
It is rare but there are some good sales people I have come across in my life.
My most recent was at Nordstoms. I seldom buy new shoes for work, I have two pairs and they last a year at least so I don’t mind spending money on quality shoes.
I go to Nordies, I tell the saleswoman, I want a bicycle toe, brown leather, with laces, pretty easy. She shows me a few, all had one flaw or another, slip on, or square toe, or wrong shade of brown, I could tell she was getting frustrated. Finally she showed me some Mark Ecco’s that were perfect except they didn’t have laces. I said sorry, I need laces, she says no luck try another store. Her co-worker heard this, said you know Ecco has some shoes we don’t stock that i can order for you no extra charge, delivered right to your door. In fact, they have that model you want with laces in that color. Also, since you seem to wear your shoes a long time, I would suggest this here wooden shoe tree thingamajig, it will keep them looking new longer.
That guy not only stole the comission from the woman, he also upsold me on a shoe tree, and I’m NEVER upsold on anything, it was quite a feat. Shoes arrived, looked great and they have looked new much longer than any other shes I’ve owned.
I will always go back to that salesman when I need a knowledgeable shoe salesmen, not just someone collecting a paycheck who wants the customer to do all the work.
A good salesperson is worth their weight in gold. But most salespeople are either just picking up a check, or think you owe them living or “gung ho” annoying twits.
And because they are, the good ones are either ignored by management or treated as just another one of the above by customers.
Then again, a lot of custoemrs want a whole lot of something for nothing as well.
Comment by neuromance
2010-07-15 18:14:06
Salespeople can provide value added. I very much appreciate when a salesperson is so knowledgeable about the range of products that I can substitute his or her experience for my own research. Doing my own research is often very expensive, especially when I do not have the expertise and it is not worth my time to gain it (such as running shoes/analyzing gait, bike fitment).
The problem is that I can never really believe a salesperson. It is highly likely the product they are pushing is not necessarily the best product for me, but the one with the highest value to the salesperson or the organization. I’ve seen this scenario many, many times. So, my solution is to research the issue, then use the salesperson for minimal information, like “Is this in stock”, etc.
In any transaction, it is imperative that the buyer know how the other parties are being paid. Not knowing that has led to all manner of mischief. Not suggesting that buyers are saints, but salespeople have a clearly defined job - maximize value for themselves and the company, in order to feed themselves and their family, and keep their jobs - and that is frequently not consistent with the buyer attempting to get the best product for himself.
I hadn’t looked at the hometown listings in a while. Now that the tax credit is done prices are once again getting hammered. I would say that my hometown once again knows “affordable” housing. I think it will go down lower but it makes me feel better that one area seems to have the common sense to let prices drop to where they should be.
If the economy free falls all bets are off. For now real families can buy real houses. I can’t say that about this area. They are still mainlining the REIC powder in Jersey and NYC.
I thin that for the most part, the end of the tax credit won’t have much effect on prices until late Aug or Sep. Really, it’s only when the selling season is ENDING that self delusional listers* realize that they can either lower their price or wait another year.
*’cause they’re not really sellers until they find a willing buyer.
I have a co-worker that has been in the market to buy since late May or early June. You can imagine how supportive I’ve been. The price drops following the end of the tax credit happened with lightning speed. It was amazing to see how quickly people were lowering their prices.
I got a brochure from one of the real estate places in the mail yesterday. My favorite was the huge house for sale or rent. Offered for sale at around $3.1 million. Asking rent was $8,900 a month. I get a multiple of about 350 for that. Any takers?
Today, the Comptroller of the City of New York along with the presidents of several large unions sent a letter to some of the biggest banks in the foreclosure mess and told those banks to get their acts together and start making mortgage modifications.
In a press conference in lower Manhattan, Comptroller John Liu, Michael Mulgrew, President, UFT, George Gresham, President, 1199 SEIU, John Samuelsen, President, TWU Local 100, and New York Communities for Change announced a letter sent to Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Wells Fargo demanding that the banks do “everything possible” to avert foreclosures.
The heft and power of these entities as depositors and investors is such that they expect the banks to sit up and take notice. The banks have a deadline of September 1st or 45 days to respond with a plan.
While the City and the pension funds have not outright threatened to take their business elsewhere if the banks don’t start doing modifications, the implication is clear.
Further, this public action could inspire other municipalities and large pension funds to follow suit.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Despite groans from Republicans about high unemployment and the growing national deficit, President Obama’s administration continues to say the $787 billion stimulus is working.
In its latest stimulus report released Wednesday, the White House’s Council of Economic Advisers said the Recovery Act has already saved or created about 3 million jobs.
But the administration’s figures are highly criticized by some economists and Republicans in Congress who point out it’s derived from mathematical formulas, not an actual headcount of people who’ve received jobs funded by stimulus money.
She said the actual number of jobs created by stimulus is likely much lower than the Administration reports.
“The administration’s new stimulus jobs ’saved and created’ claim lacks a basis in reality,” said Oversight and Government Reform Committee Ranking Member Darrell Issa, R-Calif., who also pointed to the unemployment rate, which currently stands at 9.5%.
In January 2009, Romer predicted that the stimulus, if passed, would keep the unemployment rate around 7% at the end of 2010
Yes! The Economy’s enemies will lie in the desert with their intestines BURNING!
Somewhere between coffee and the shower, you have to realize that, the only mistake the President made was not being more upfront about just how DIRE the situation truly was.
‘I’ would have said: “My fellow Americans, we’re in a world of hurt. There’s NO assurance any amount of license you extend to me will keep our already overleveraged economy from sliding into the abyss”.
Somewhere between coffee and the shower, you have to realize that, the only mistake the President made was not being more upfront about just how DIRE the situation truly was.
Agreed. And, if you watched the Change.gov website that went live right after he was elected, you could tell that he was having some major “Oh, sh-t!” moments. This was especially obvious during the weekly address videos.
Comment by OK_Land_Lord
2010-07-15 08:27:53
Hmm, at ~ $250,000 per person over 2 years is~$125,000/yr per job, does not sound to good.
Comment by packman
2010-07-15 09:57:53
Somewhere between coffee and the shower, you have to realize that, the only mistake the President made was not being more upfront about just how DIRE the situation truly was.
The problem with economic guidance mistakes is - usually you don’t know for at least 5 years, and sometimes as much as 50 or 100 or so, whether or not the policy moves you made were a mistake or not.
The seeds sown by disaster capitalism can take a long time to germinate.
‘I’ would have said: “My fellow Americans, we’re in a world of hurt. There’s NO assurance any amount of license you extend to me will keep our already overleveraged economy from sliding into the abyss”.
President Carter already tried that, with his malaise speech. That fellow tried to be upfront with people and was eaten alive. Reagan came in, Volcker raised interest rates and crushed inflation, but then Reagan, in collusion with Congress, went on a borrowing and spending binge, the crest of which we are seeing today.
A society cannot be both ignorant and free. It’s that simple. The basic lesson is that politicians - leaders - must always pretend to be cheery and that good times are just around the corner. Otherwise they will be eaten alive. It’s the majority of the population that demands this.
Think of this - a politicians stating doom and gloom is challenged by a politician promising good times around the corner, a Buick in every driveway and a goose in every pot. The latter will win every time, even if he’s got no plan.
No matter what happens after a policy measure is passed, politicians can always claim without challenge that, had their measure not been adopted, things would have been so much worse.
LOL, yeah stuporvisors lean on that one too? I don’t know, have we ever discussed what ‘might’ have happened had none of the Stimulus Wreckovery $’s been printed? Just curious…
I think the Obama bashers need to be honest. Without the bailouts and stimulus, there would have been a far greater economic collapse, and we would be far worse off right now.
And everyone else needs to be honest. In the long run most Americans and all future Americans would have been better off had there been a collapse.
No doubt, my point was The President probably now realizes that he’d have gotten ample printing ink ‘without’ overstating the potential employment benefits of the Stimulus. And I’ll bet he’s regrettin’ that.
I’d have said, “I have no way to assure that we can save, create or stimulate one-single-JOB! But without this ( I can assure… you, NO ONE’S job is safe! )
“In the long run most Americans and all future Americans would have been better off had there been a collapse.”
Well, Germany’s doing better than they were in the 30s, but anybody who lived through the 40s (or up until the 80s if you were in East Germany) can probably think of a better way to get there.
I have an accountant who was born in Germany just before WWII. Her war memories? Spending four years in bomb shelters. Not the sort of thing she’d wish on anyone.
However, she takes great pride in how Germany rebuilt after the war. That ole German penchant for hard work coming to the fore.
PS: Don’t get her started on the lack of work ethic that she often sees here. Just don’t.
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Avg unemployment check is $310 per week.
$310/40 hours = $7.75 per hour… so, why would anyone try to get a minimum wage position when you can get the same amount of money by sitting in your sofa?
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Editorial: Unemployed, not lazy
Tom Corbett should see all the jobless people not sitting at home.
In April, the SugarHouse Casino held an informational job fair. At least 8,000 people showed up for 800 jobs. They began arriving at 6 a.m. By noon, the line stretched two blocks.
It’s not just casinos attracting 10 times as many job applicants as positions available. When Wegmans opened a new grocery near Collegeville last October, about 6,000 people applied for 550 jobs
Yet Attorney General Corbett, the Republican nominee for governor, says some unemployed people aren’t working because they don’t want to give up jobless benefits. “The jobs are there,” he said. “But if we keep extending unemployment, people are going to sit there.” He apologized Tuesday for a poor choice of words.
The average unemployment check in Pennsylvania is $310 per week. When pressed to name companies hurt by this unfair competition, Corbett couldn’t cite any.
That’s the beauty of an ideological anecdote - the fewer facts, the better. But Corbett’s clueless and inept comments serve a useful purpose. They’re another reminder that the recession hasn’t ended for many people, and that government needs to do more to help families get through these prolonged harsh economic times.
We touched on this earlier and even if it were roughly equal to unemployment most of us ‘would’ elect to work ( if only to get away from the TV and the unending bad news! )
Not us because most of the people around here are above average. Many college grads and professionals. However, there are many other people who make minimum wage out there…
Have you been in a hiring position before? I have and alot of people will say they want to work, however when really pushed they do not want to. I have some friends, nice people, however one of them said, there is no sense getting a job, I can get UE and maybe not make as much but I don’t have to do anything.
Also, if seeking better employment, you are more favorably looked upon if you are currently working, even if it is somthing you don’t like.
“I have some friends, nice people, however one of them said, there is no sense getting a job, I can get UE and maybe not make as much but I don’t have to do anything.”
I have heard a lot of laid-off-in-the-Spring women, this year and in past years, who simply won’t for a job until Fall, so they can spend the summer with their kids/grandkids. Sending one or two half-hearted resumes a week is enough to satisfy the employment office but is statistically unlikely to get them a job.
Its hard to blame them, since it quite often makes economic sense for their family. However, my well of sympathy is usually dry by the time the same people start crying that 99 weeks of unemployment isn’t enough.
….you are more favorably looked upon if you are currently working, even if it is somthing you don’t like.
I dunno.
In the IT world, being unemployed (maybe picking up occasional contracting gigs?) seems to be looked upon more favorably than sweepin’ out the Taco Bell to make ends meet.
I’ve often encountered the mindset - “If you can’t at least find some temporary work in your field, you might not be all that good.”
Yet Attorney General Corbett, the Republican nominee for governor, says some unemployed people aren’t working because they don’t want to give up jobless benefits. “The jobs are there,” he said.
The jobs are there? LOL! Either he’s clueless or heartless (probably both).
I know a guy who’s was a pilot with DHL for quite a few years. He was laid off 14 months ago and hasn’t been able to find a “real job”. He’s still collecting UE, which maxes out short of $500/week out here and has a 500K nest egg they been slowly burning through to pay the mortgage and daughter’s college bills. His wife went out and got a job (menial pay).
He’s starting to get worried that he won’t be called back to DHL as the double dip is looming large. I believe he was getting a nice 6 figure paycheck at DHL and it’s becoming painfully obvious that it won’t be replaced as the only piloting gigs he’s found are with smaller airlines and pay starts at around 40K. He may have no other choice than to accept one, not that its a given he can land one as there is plenty of competition.
Thanks for “recognizin’ “. A good many posters here don’t seem to be able to grasp that the “Burn Rate” for hermit/single ppl living under a shared arrangement is tad different than those of us that foolishly insisted their kids actually go to college?
Oh and obligated themselves to a mortgage -before- there was a Boom ( let alone a Bust? ) If only your friend hadn’t shot so high to begin with, the fall would have been a lot easier to handle.
Is your DHL friend in SW Ohio by any chance? If so, tell him Eaton is hiring in Cleveland. I have a few friends who work there and enjoy it for the most part.
$310 may be the average, but it is my understanding that you get approximately half of what your weekly salary was up to a fairly low maximum amount. So people who actually made $7 an hour in their last job, will only be getting $3.50 x 40 or $140 a week on unemployment. The folks getting that $310 average per week were making $15.50 an hour if you assume a 40 hour week. Not surprising that they are looking for jobs that pay closer to their old salary. Not that they will necessarily find those jobs, but the fact that they aren’t grabbing at near mimimum wage jobs is not surprising.
Mr. Corbett seems to have done a fair amount of reading in the “How to Lie with Statistics” section of his local library.
Foreclosure Update: Three More Years Of Pain For Housing
1 million households are on track to lose their homes this year as the nation continues to dig out of the decade’s real estate boom and bust. RealtyTrac reported that while month-over-month and year-over-year foreclosure fillings are decreasing, the nation is on pace to set a record in foreclosure filings (including default notices, auction sales and bank repossessions) this year at 3.2 million. Last year, lenders foreclosed on more than 900,000 homes and the historic average is 100,000 annually.
In the first half of the year, lenders repossessed nearly 528,000 homes and about 1.7 million homeowners got a foreclosure-related warning — that represents one in 78 American homes. The numbers are startling, but this process is necessary after the massive housing and credit booms. As is the case with manias, the aftermath is messy and painful.
Unfortunately, due to the lengthy process involved in unwinding a bad home investment (versus, say a bad internet stock that takes 5 seconds to sell) the hangover period will persist for some time. RealtyTrac CEO James J. Saccacio said that while the foreclosure problem appears to be improving, we shouldn’t be too confident, because “a massive number of distressed properties and underwater loans continues to sit just below the surface, threatening the fragile stability of the housing market.”
Housing experts believe that it will take three more years to clear out the overhang of housing. There’s a certain symmetry to that notion. From the years between 2000-2006, housing prices nationally doubled and it will likely take the seven years between 2007-2013 to rectify that aberration.
Awesome dude! this rockets to my #1 video, (those brothers look like Randi & Dandi that I mentioned last week…) Who’s the band?
Maybe Anza will join with “The O.C.” and vote for enforcement, so that Mary Meth can get a daycare job watching the little ones and her boyfriend Billy 30-06 can get a job picking peaches!
“RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA – Council members formally declared their support for Arizona’s anti-illegal immigration law by adopting a resolution Wednesday night that expresses the city’s support for SB 1070.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Pentagon said on Wednesday it may be forced to take extreme measures — like not paying salaries - - if Congress fails to pass a $37 billion defense spending bill before lawmakers begin an August recess.
A senior Democratic aide said lawmakers would find a way to get it done. “We will pass it this work period. We have to,” the aide said.
Bwahahahahahaha. The most powerful man in the US right now is General Petraeus. Whatever Davy wants, Davy gets, or he’ll resign his commission and run for Pres.
By Jeff Gottlieb and Ruben Vives, Los Angeles Times / July 15, 2010
In addition to the $787,637 salary of Chief Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo, Bell pays Police Chief Randy Adams $457,000 a year, about 50% more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck or Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca and more than double New York City’s police commissioner. Assistant City Manager Angela Spaccia makes $376,288 annually, more than most city managers.
Top officials have routinely received hefty annual raises in recent years. Rizzo’s contract calls for 12% raises each July, the same as his top deputy, according to documents obtained under the California Public Records Act.
Rizzo, who has run Bell’s day-to-day civic affairs since 1993, was unapologetic about his salary.
“If that’s a number people choke on, maybe I’m in the wrong business,” he said. “I could go into private business and make that money. This council has compensated me for the job I’ve done.”
Spaccia agreed, adding: “I would have to argue you get what you pay for.”
The district attorney is investigating Bell over the hefty compensation of its City Council members — about $100,000 a year for part-time positions. Normally, council members in a city the size of Bell would be paid about $400 a month, Demerjian said.
The council has increased its compensation by paying members for serving on a variety of city agencies, including the Community Redevelopment Agency, the Community Housing Authority, the Planning Commission, the Public Financing Authority, the Surplus Property Authority and the Solid Waste and Recycling Authority.
Demerjian said city records show each council member receives $7,873.25 per month for sitting on those boards
Records indicate that the boards of those agencies perform little work and that board meetings take place during council meetings, though the names of some of the agencies seldom appear.
“Located about 10 miles southeast of downtown Los Angeles, Bell has a population that is about 90% Latino and 53% foreign-born. Its per capita income is about half that for the U.S.”
“If that’s a number people choke on, maybe I’m in the wrong business,” he said. “I could go into private business and make that money. This council has compensated me for the job I’ve done.”
I urge the gentleman to quit immediately and find private employment that will pay him exactly what he is worth. Public service is a priviledge, ya jerk. He is most assuredly in the wrong business.
The question is NOT “Can he make the same money elsewhere?” (I suspect not) The question is “Can they get somebody as (or nearly as) effective for less?” And I’m pretty DARN sure that the answer to that question is a resounding yes.
Move over Dustin Hoffman, we have a NEW “Rizzo the Rat”!
What a scumbag. I TOLD you people, this is what happens in these little off the radar towns where they think no one is watching! Even if they canned him yesterday ( which ain’t happening ) there’s no WAY they’ll ever recover the lost services and value that’s gone into feathering his nest.
Ever.
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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-07-15 11:40:37
We need a law where any public employee has to wear a tag with their salary and title. Any time they are mentioned in print, on TV, etc, they have their salaries displayed.
I think the taxpayers should know exactly how much these people are being paid.
Comment by Jim A.
2010-07-15 11:55:50
sfbb for the most part the pay of public employees IS part of the public record, but nobody pays any attention.
Hi y’all update from the beatiful Oregon Coast where I have a part time tutoring gig thanks to a troubled teen whom the district owes hours of instruction and I am the only one who seems to be willing to even try to work with this particular speciman. Trying to pay the bills, even thought this gig is keeping me from my wife who works part time in Central Oregon.
Our health insurance premiums have suddenly increased, to $1600 per quarter for wife and two kids. Mine is $1000 per quarter.
This means premiums are $10,000/year, but the insurance does not kick in until we meet our deductible($1000 per head).
My medication, for pain, heavily advertised for the pain condition that my doctor has prescribed me, although we carry 50% medication coverage, is not covered. That runs $2500/year.
So our insurance/meds/doctor bill will be over 15k this year. I make about 15k as a substitute teacher, hard to work with chronic pain but I do, albeit 3.5 hours this summer and about 20 hours per week in the school year, livin in a trailer away from family, but hey, at least my deployment is not overseas!
My summer job consists of tutoring. Seems a 15 year old kid got himself locked up for being involved in a small murder, but his friend pulled the trigger. My student has been arrested several times
His father has been released from 14 years in the mexican pokey for shooting at border patrol. He calls him about every three months and my student wants to go live with him. His mother has an abusive stepfather boyfriend who has also threatened her. My tutoring student also threatened to take a gun to school and shoot his teacher, a guy I know. He buys laced marijauna from Victor and steals cigarettes from his mother, who always is working.
The workers at the camp where I am working are deadheads. They have section 8 housing, 4 kids on Oregon health plan, food stamps, and also have all meals provided from the center under federally funded meals program. All they need from their jobs is money for weed. And I am in a relatively safe area on the Oregon coast.
Just some “minor” gang stuff that gets worse as you get closer to the 5 corridor. But the guys from the opposing town dont like the local guys, so there is the occasional murder.
We don’t qualify for any assistance, don’t want it, but dont make enough money to pay for stuff even though my wife and I are working and have a paid off house. Although we have another in my wife’s name that we can no longer afford to pay the mortgage.
So I guess its a strategic default, because we keep paying the health care premiums. If we drop our coverage, we may be eligible for state health care, prerequisite is that you do not have coverage to get it.
But I have a beautiful family, who are standout students, socially adept, and yesterday I saw a momma bear and one of her two cubs. Other cub was behind me, but mom decided to run when she saw me. Ahansen may testify that dropping health care would be a bear. Surfing is a fun pastime, we are taking the students at the kids club/afterschool program/ summer daycamp to the beach on Friday, although I can surf every day, I love acting as a surf instructor and stoking the little ones out who are needy foster kids,
My tutor guy has on of the most intact families, cuz he knows where his dad is (AZ) free from prison and caring grammas, one in the hospital, one an alcoholic with narcolepsy who smokes. She likes to get behind the wheel when she can cajole the keys. The carpet in their home is covered with cigarette burns from when granny falls asleep with a smoke. Kids have fun on their own time playing hot potato with gas soaked tennis balls lit on fire. Oh, grammy in hospital needs operation, with a tumor on her heart.
But I am just belly achin, never felt financially poor, but with my wife and I both working, albeit under employed, we dont have enough money for life expenses. gotta get real poor before we look for government handouts, but someday it may happen?
I would like a stable job with group insurance, that would be helpful.
But their are plenty of applicants for each job so it will take time although I am papering Oregon with applications and I do get the occasional interview.
Subbing and surfing will have to suffice, thinking about trying to tutor home-school kids with parents shaky on higher math/composition/spanish classes. Yeah thats the ticket??
“His father has been released from 14 years in the mexican pokey for shooting at border patrol. He calls him about every three months and my student wants to go live with him.”
Well, I’m glad you’ve got a gig, but if this kid wants to live with his dad, I say let him go.
So I guess its a strategic default, because we keep paying the health care premiums. If we drop our coverage, we may be eligible for state health care, prerequisite is that you do not have coverage to get it.
And that, fellow HBB-ers, is how this country will have a public option. People won’t be able to afford private coverage, so they’ll drop it. More than a few will let their congress critters know about this decision. Being what they are, the politicians will have to DO something.
Add this to the growing number of small businesses that can no longer afford coverage, people who can’t afford COBRA after they lose their jobs, and the growing number of health problems associated with the Gulf oil spill, and we have a real tsunami of trouble heading toward our private insurance-based system.
When I moved from a small city to a smaller city my account was transferred to an insurance man who works primarily as a group plan specialist with businesses. He tells me that every year some of his business clients drop their group coverage.
This tells me that since the pool of covered workers is getting smaller, most of the people in the remaining pool are having to pay more for less coverage.
I wonder where this going. Will we have medical coverage for members of congress, seniors, illegals, the filfy wealfy, but zero (or no credible) coverage for the working little people? If this is true, then there will have to be massive layoffs in medicine to reflect this decrease in business.
I never thought this would ever happen, but earlier this year one of the larger hospitals in Louisville, Ky announced layoffs.
Yeah, don’t worry, congress, seniors, illegals & the filthy-flithy will be well covered, don’t you worry! ( But of course the “working little people” will get to pay for it… )
Within 10 years I believe. 10 more years of 20-30% annual premium increases will do the trick. The cost of the average family policy will approach or even exceed exceed the median household income. Even if the increases are only 20% each year the net increase over 10 years would be 600%, 1300% if its 30% per year.
It amazes me that a gov facing massive unemployment hasn’t clamped down on immigration and that those legal immigrants aren’t supporting it seeing as the new immigrants will likely be taking jobs.
It isn’t even a matter of illegal immigration, it’s a matter of all immigration at this time. We need a complete moratorium on all immigration, until the economy improves and the current mess is straightened out.
What most concerns me, aside from elevated gang, crime and poverty levels, is the environmental and economic impacts. The immigrants from south of the border, especially, are prodigious reproducers, although they’re not the only ones, and automatic birthright citizenship is incompatible with a welfare state. It would be a horror to see the US go the way of China and India and even Brazil in population, but it seems that’s where we’re headed.
And then there’s the assimilation question. Having an unassimilated stew of disparate cultural and ethnic groups within the same borders isn’t a good idea, how’s that worked out for the Middle East? It’s just natural that these groups will seek domination one way or the other. Some of these cultures are particularly hard on women, I want to see my little niece grow up with the hard won freedoms that women have in this country. I don’t want to see a twisted justice system give some sort of credence to Sharia law, for example, under the guise of “freedom of religion”. I don’t want to see women just sort of disappear, like they do in Mexico.
One of the things that’s concerned me is that.., in ways, we’re now in a situation where one particular group has practically “blocked out the sun” for virtually any ‘other’ group.
My wife has a Filipina friend that started a tiny ethnic store. Pinoy movies, coconut flavored soft drinks and ample amounts of rice!
Within short order she was in REAL financial trouble. My wife would ask what she thought the problem was but when I’d sit outside in the car.., it was all too obvious. That entire area of Salem, OR has become like 75% hispanic. As a community, the Filipinos ( whom uh… we fought side-by-side in WW II with and have much shared history ) have basically ceased to exist!
The Fil-Am “community” isn’t even a rounding error when compared to other groups. Truth is, many have gone home, no longer practicing medicine here and… are for the most part ( much happier ) I mean, that aside, try to start a cricket league.. or..
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Comment by DinOR
2010-07-15 11:17:22
Oh! By the way, the reason I even mention that is for -years- all I heard about from young G.I’s was that “The damned Filipinos are “taking over” San Diego!” ( or… whichever port town? )
Other than a handful of neighborhoods in NJ and maybe Chicago/Atlanta, they’ve become more or less “invisible”. And it’s not even a matter whether you have a number of them as friend, co-workers etc. I’m simply using them as a control group ( i.e it’s tough for them to ‘walk’ here? ) and they’re forced to observe legal channels, for the ‘most’ part.
What other conclusion can you come to? 911 happens and the floodgates are open to every lowlife scum who wants to enter America (and I include all ranges of income in that assessment) while decent people are bent over for the lowlifes. Depraved do-gooders bring in all sorts of resentful refugees and settle them in formerly pleasant communities, unleashing them on an unarmed populace. Potential terrorists are allowed to come and go.
It’s folks who sneer about tin-foil hats who don’t have the balls to confront what’s happening that, have the real mental problems.
Yeah, that’s right, tin foil hatters. You tell me why every goddanged record belonging to BHO is locked up tighter than a tick, forget about birth certificates. I’d like to see the genius’s college transcripts, thesis, work records, bar exam, etc.
Team B: “find…anyone who drives an SUV into the Home Despot parking lot alone but then leaves with +1 or more “helpers” or anyone who leaves a 10,000 acre CA agricultural farm in a Ford F650 Diesel pickup
I wanna be on team B
I suspect they’ll be lot’s of job openings for U-haul/mover helpers
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Not really, though. Too iffy. For the money we’ve spent on useless wars and foreign (cough) aid, we could have built a modern Great Wall of China along the border, complete with gun turrets, etc. Three times over.
Here in Tucson, an anti-SB 1070 business group was just formed. I told you about the kickoff rally I encountered while bicycling to the food co-op last week.
Well, it seems that one of the members actually read the law. And he’s dropping out of the group. Read all about it in our daily fishwrap:
“Retired FDNY Lt. John McLaughlin has literally run off with a fat, tax-exempted disability pension — despite being known as “Iron Man” in the Long Island hometown where he regularly trains and competes as a triathlete, The Post has learned…”
Finally got around to reading the latest from Joe Bageant. I never agree with everything he says, but he always brings up some good points. Sounds like he’s been reading a lot of HBB and CFN lately.
This is passing for salesmanship today. The kid doing the selling looks to be 25 or so. The home’s highest and best use is that of chicken coop. A $5000 box at most.
Since the Senate bill passed, I have had a number of conversations with key members of the administration, Senate leadership and the conference committee that drafted the final bill. Unfortunately, not once has anyone suggested in those conversations the possibility of strengthening the bill to address my concerns and win my support. People want my vote, but they want it for a bill that, while including some positive provisions, has Wall Street’s fingerprints all over it.
In fact, reports indicate that the administration and conference leaders have gone to significant lengths to avoid making the bill stronger. Rather than discussing with me ways to strengthen the bill, for example, they chose to eliminate a levy that was to be imposed on the largest banks and hedge funds in order to obtain the vote of members who prefer a weaker bill. Nothing could be more revealing of the true position of those who are crafting this legislation. They had a choice between pursuing a weaker bill or a stronger one. Their decision is clear.
On this bill, like the others that preceded it, the biggest financial interests have won.
I’ve seen this too many times before. When I was in the Wisconsin State Senate, I chaired the Senate Banking Committee for nearly a decade, and fought against enactment of an interstate banking law that resulted in the concentration of financial assets and most large Wisconsin banks being bought up by even larger out-of-state banks.
Shortly after I came to the U.S. Senate we considered a national interstate banking bill, the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Act of 1994, which accelerated the concentration of financial assets, and the creation of “too big to fail” firms. I was one of only four senators to oppose that legislation. Five years later, I was one of only eight Senators to oppose the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, the bill that repealed Glass-Steagall and paved the way for this disastrous recession, which has been an economic nightmare for so many Americans.
Those two measures — the 1994 law and the 1999 law — accelerated the trend toward increased concentration of financial assets, aggravating the problem of “too big to fail.” Before those two laws were enacted, the six largest U.S. banks had assets equal to 17 percent of our GDP. Today the six largest U.S. banks have assets equal to more than 60 percent of our GDP.
Ultimately, it was the threat of the failure of the nation’s largest financial institutions that spurred the Wall Street bailout. I opposed that measure as well, in part because it was not tied to any fundamental reforms of our financial system that would prevent a future crisis and the need for another bailout. We could have had a much tougher reform package if the bailout had been tied to such a measure.
Every single one of those bills caved to Wall Street and the biggest financial interests, and so does the current regulatory reform bill.
Shortly after I came to the U.S. Senate we considered a national interstate banking bill, the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Act of 1994, which accelerated the concentration of financial assets, and the creation of “too big to fail” firms. I was one of only four senators to oppose that legislation. Five years later, I was one of only eight Senators to oppose the Gramm-Leach-B.liley Act, the bill that repealed GlassS teagall and paved the way for this disastrous recession, which has been an economic nightmare for so many Americans.
Those two measures — the 1994 law and the 1999 law — accelerated the trend toward increased concentration of financial assets, aggravating the problem of “too big to fail.” Before those two laws were enacted, the six largest U.S. banks had assets equal to 17 percent of our GDP. Today the six largest U.S. banks have assets equal to more than 60 percent of our GDP.
Ultimately, it was the threat of the failure of the nation’s largest financial institutions that spurred the Wall Street bailout. I opposed that measure as well, in part because it was not tied to any fundamental reforms of our financial system that would prevent a future crisis and the need for another bailout. We could have had a much tougher reform package if the bailout had been tied to such a measure.
Every single one of those bills caved to Wall Street and the biggest financial interests, and so does the current regulatory reform bill.
Not sure why filters are not letting this stuff through
Shortly after I came to the U.S. Senate we considered a national interstate banking bill, the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Act of 1994, which accelerated the concentration of financial assets, and the creation of “too big to fail” firms. I was one of only four senators to oppose that legislation. Five years later, I was one of only eight Senators to oppose the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, the bill that repealed Glass-Steagall and paved the way for this disastrous recession, which has been an economic nightmare for so many Americans.
Those two measures — the 1994 law and the 1999 law — accelerated the trend toward increased concentration of financial assets, aggravating the problem of “too big to fail.” Before those two laws were enacted, the six largest U.S. banks had assets equal to 17 percent of our GDP. Today the six largest U.S. banks have assets equal to more than 60 percent of our GDP.
Russ Feingold, one of the few in gov I have respect for. Also voted against patriot act and warrantless evesdropping despite massive pressure to do otherwise.
Well the demise of restrictions on interstate banking is an indirect result of the savings and loan crisis. One of the few inducements that bank regulators to give to those who might buy out a failing bank short of liquidation was the right to operate in the state where it was located. So a large bank in New York might buy out the East Decauter Savings and Loan at a loss so that it could legally operate in Illinois. By the time the crisis had passed this process had created so many “exceptions” to the prohibition on interstate banks that to many there seemed little reason to continue them.
Republican U.S. Senate candidate Ron Johnson found himself under the political microscope late last week after it was revealed that he owns up to $315,000 in BP stock while he has defended the oil giant against its critics and called for continued offshore drilling.
The Wisconsin businessman — who is vying, in a closer-than-expected contest, for Sen. Russ Feingold’s (D-Wisc.) seat — has spent the last few weeks trying to temper criticism of BP in the wake of the Gulf spill. ***
“The bottom line is we are an oil-based economy,” he told the site WisPolitics in mid-June, when asked about drilling in the Great Lakes. “There’s nothing we’re gonna do to get off of that for many, many years. I think we have to be realistic and recognize that fact and, you know, I, I think we have to, get the oil where it is, but we have to do it where it is.”
Russ won’t let his staff take a lunch from a lobbiest. I had a friend who worked for him.
T-bond yields from 1-yr out are screaming a double-dip recession signal. They clearly want to invert, but just simply can’t when the Fed has the 6 mo plastered against the ZIRP barrier:
Date 1 mo 3 mo 6 mo 1 yr 2 yr 3 yr 5 yr 7 yr 10 yr 20 yr 30 yr
06/30/09 0.17 0.19 0.35 0.56 1.11 1.64 2.54 3.19 3.53 4.30 4.32
06/30/10 0.17 0.18 0.22 0.32 0.61 1.00 1.79 2.42 2.97 3.74 3.91
The one-year basis point change is most informative regarding the withering green shoots outlook. For example, the seven year T-bond yield has dropped by 77 basis points.
Looks like seven years bad luck is in store for the U.S. economy.
Date 1 mo 3 mo 6 mo 1 yr 2 yr 3 yr 5 yr 7 yr 10 yr 20 yr 30 yr
BPS Change 0 -1 -13 -24 -50 -64 -75 -77 -56 -56 -41
Looking at these numbers seems a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. Please remind me why anyone thinks the stock market is a good place to be at the moment? (Eddie??)
? I don’t see any inversion along any point of the curve, even if 6-mo jumped a little. At worst, 6-mo would overtake 1-yr? But it would look nothing like the yield curve from 2006 or 2007, where it was completely backwards.
2006/2007 was before the $3T or so of money pumping. Now that that’s happened (with hints of more to come) there are a lot more expectations of long-term inflation, which keeps the yield curve positive.
I agree with you; the long end still smells inflation, but the mid-term outlook (next 5-7 years) has become far gloomier since one year ago, as evidenced by the sag in yields in the middle of the curve.
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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-07-15 11:28:05
“the long end still smells inflation”
Huh??? Choosing to accept <4% for a 30-year period certainly doesn’t seem like a whiff of inflation to me!
The sag in yields may just mean that fewer buyers are expecting this thing to be over quickly. If better yields were expected down the road, they would be less willing to lock in these anemic yields.
Comment by packman
2010-07-15 12:48:16
Prime - keep in mind that inflation doesn’t necessarily mean high interest rates.
We had inflation in the 70’s before we had high interest rates - rates were raised in response to the inflation. We could only afford that luxury since the economy was (relatively) strong.
We may well end up with high price inflation but still low treasury rates. Personally that’s what I expect. The government simply can’t afford to raise interest rates anymore to battle inflation - servicing the interest on the debt will just make it worse.
“What portion is signal and what portion is noise?”
Point taken.
And further, I have no way of ruling out the possibility that the market, not the Fed, is driving the short term rate to zero. Just because the Fed keeps claiming it is their policy which holds rates so low, doesn’t mean it is necessarily the case…
But on the other hand, pundits who speak about market participants doing this and doing that without addressing a highly activist Fed’s potential role in any market move are missing something potentially important as well.
Perhaps it is unfair to pass judgment without first reading the 2,300 page bill, but I smell a regulatory disaster in the making for the aftermath of financial reform.
There is a silver lining, as this should be a boon to attorneys who specialize in financial regulation.
* The Wall Street Journal
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* JULY 14, 2010
The Uncertainty Principle Dodd-Frank will require at least 243 new federal rule-makings.
So Republicans Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins now say they’ll provide the last crucial votes to get the Dodd-Frank financial reform through the Senate. Hmmm. Could this be Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s secret plan to take back the Senate, guaranteeing another year or two of regulatory and lending uncertainty and thus slower economic growth?
Probably not, but that still may be the practical effect. This week White House aides leaked to the press that President Obama may seek a review of regulations that are restraining business confidence and bank lending. Yet Dodd-Frank, with its 2,300 pages, will unleash the biggest wave of new federal financial rule-making in three generations. Whatever else this will do, it will not make lending cheaper or credit more readily available.
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Whatever else this will do, it will not make lending cheaper or credit more readily available.
What got us into this mess? Credit that was TOO available, that’s what. And that loosey-goosey credit found its way into housing, and, well, here we are, blogging away.
May as well rack up those CC’s and stop being frugal and planning for your future, the credit card bailouts are sure to be on the US agenda. When will this madness stop?
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Signs of Risky Lending Emerge
By RUTH SIMON and JESSICA SILVER-GREENBERG
Shirley Davis, a 66-year-old retired phone-company administrator who lives in Brooklyn, N.Y., is more than $33,000 in debt, earns just $2,414 a month and filed for bankruptcy in June. Shortly before that, she ripped open an envelope from Capital One Financial Corp., which pitched her a credit card even though it sued her in 2006 to recover $4,470 she owed on a different card from the bank.
Ruth Simon discusses why some financial institutions are weakening lending standards and wooing borrowers who might not be able to pay.
“At some point we lost you as a customer and we’d like to have you back,” the letter said. Ms. Davis said she was stunned. “Even I wouldn’t give me a credit card at this point,” she said.
Even as lenders struggle to pull themselves out of the credit crisis, signs of a new and potentially dangerous infatuation with risky borrowers are emerging. From credit cards to auto loans to mortgages, the hunger for new business as the crisis ebbs is causing some financial institutions to weaken lending standards and woo borrowers who mightn’t be able to pay.
A spokeswoman for Capital One said customers who “fully settled” their old debts might get a credit-card solicitation “with appropriately conservative spending limits.” The spokeswoman said, however, that doesn’t mean “that a consumer will receive a card.”
Capital One won a court judgment against Ms. Davis for the money owed and she repaid it.
Fannie Mae, seized by the U.S. government in 2008 to avert the mortgage company’s failure, launched an initiative in January that allows some first-time home buyers to get a loan with a down payment of as little as $1,000. Securities firm Morgan Stanley Smith Barney, a brokerage operation jointly owned by Morgan Stanley and Citigroup Inc., is offering some clients home-equity credit lines of as much as $2.5 million.
Credit-card issuers mailed 84.8 million offers of plastic to U.S. subprime borrowers in the first six months of this year, up from 43.7 million a year earlier, estimates research firm Synovate. Nearly 8% of loans for new cars in the latest quarter went to borrowers with the lowest range of credit scores, up from 6.2% in 2009’s fourth quarter, according to J.D. Power & Associates and Fair Isaac Corp.
Lenders said they learned their lesson when the real-estate bubble burst and are being careful as the credit spigot is loosened.
“Everyone here is very mindful of the financial disruptions we’ve all come out of and making sure we follow appropriate standards,” says Gina Proia, a spokeswoman for Ally Financial Inc., the auto lender formerly called GMAC Financial Services.
John D. Hawke Jr., chief U.S. regulator of nationally chartered banks from 1998 to 2004, said an increase in lending to less-credit-worthy borrowers isn’t necessarily bad as long as financial institutions manage the risk properly.
“What got us into this mess was that underwriting was not based on the conventional approach of a borrower’s capacity to pay,” said Mr. Hawke, a partner at law firm Arnold & Porter LLP. “The most important question becomes: Are lenders resorting to flawed underwriting practices of the past?”
Kathleen Day, a spokeswoman for the Center for Responsible Lending, said the consumer group is “seeing banks re-enter the subprime market at a steady clip and make loans to borrowers who don’t have the ability to repay.”
There is no doubt that the credit supply still is tight, especially in mortgages, despite prodding by government officials to increase lending. Subprime borrowers got just 9%, or $44 billion, of all consumer loans in the fourth quarter, the latest period for which figures are available, according to Experian PLC and Oliver Wyman. That is down from 18% in 2007’s second quarter.
But some lenders are starting to take more chances on consumer loans. Many financial institutions that survived the credit crisis and resulting recession are desperate for earnings growth, but loans to businesses amount to less than 20% of all outstanding loans, said Frederick Cannon, co-director of research at investment bank Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Inc.
Another strong lure: Fewer borrowers are falling behind on payments. Excluding mortgages, about 5.5% of consumer loans were at least 30 days past due at the end of the second quarter, down from the year-earlier 6%, according to Equifax Inc. and Moody’s Analytics.
Some lenders said they are willing to stretch because borrowers who take on credit in the early stages of an economic recovery often are less risky and thus more profitable than those who borrow later. Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis economist Williams Emmons said some credit loosening is normal given the U.S. economy’s growth since the end of the recession.
Financial institutions also claim they are getting smarter about who deserves a loan.
Experian recently began working with large banks it won’t identify to analyze borrowers who stopped paying their mortgages when home prices tumbled. The goal is to determine which borrowers are most likely to keep paying their other bills, and should be offered more credit.
“Everyone is looking a little to the edges of their current underwriting landscape,” said Steven Wagner, president of Experian’s Consumer Information Services unit. Still, some borrowers that ran into trouble when the economy slumped find it hard to believe that lenders are interested in them again.
Malissa Peloquin, 40, of Bolingbrook, Ill., said she has received six credit-card offers since she and her husband emerged from bankruptcy in June. She still owes more than $73,000 in student loans.
“All these offers say…’You qualify,’ ” she said. “No, I don’t.”
Hyundai Motor Co.’s Hyundai Motor America unit said about 15% of the auto loans from its in-house financing arm are being made to subprime and “near-prime” borrowers, up from 10% in 2009. Dave Zuchowski, Hyundai’s vice president of sales, said many “near-prime” customers are good credit risks and had “one-time problems” that besmirched their records.
Subprime auto lender AmeriCredit Corp. recently told investors that loan originations could total as much as $900 million for the fiscal fourth quarter ended June 30, up from $175 million a year earlier. Loan volume remains well below peak levels.
The thawing securitization market for auto loans is helping AmeriCredit increase its loan staff and dealer network. The company declined to comment.
Morgan Stanley Smith Barney said its home-equity loan offers of as much as $2.5 million are made “on a careful and judicious basis” to high-net-worth clients that the company knows “extremely well,” said a spokesman for Morgan Stanley.
The offer is part of a push to build a private-banking operation, and the credit lines represent “a tiny fraction” of the unit’s $19 billion in outstanding loans, he said.
Still, Terry Weberman, an accountant in Plainview, N.Y., said he was flabbergasted when he opened a letter touting the loans as a “flexible source of credit to fund major purchases, finance a home or meet an upcoming tax liability.” He wasn’t interested. “I am amazed this is still going on,” he said.
Fannie Mae said its low down-payment initiative requires borrowers to put down $1,000 or 1% of the purchase price, whichever is greater. The mortgage company said it faces limited financial risk because the loans are made through state agencies, which have a solid underwriting history and are on the hook to buy back certain loans that go bad.
Kate Venne, a spokeswoman for the Wisconsin Housing and Economic Development Authority, said borrowers must meet strict underwriting requirements and complete a home-buyer education course. The agency has made $50 million in loans through the program since March, and an additional $68 million are in the pipeline.
Shortly before that, she ripped open an envelope from Capital One Financial Corp., which pitched her a credit card even though it sued her in 2006 to recover $4,470 she owed on a different card from the bank.
I just got one of those Crapital One (misspelling deliberate) offers at my P.O. Box. It came with a postpaid envelope, and that motivated me to have some evil fun.
I scrawled missives like “Debt = Slavery” and “Pay As You Go” all over the papers. Then I put ‘em in the aforementioned postpaid envelope and fired it right back at Crapital One.
“Malissa Peloquin, 40, of Bolingbrook, Ill., said she has received six credit-card offers since she and her husband emerged from bankruptcy in June. She still owes more than $73,000 in student loans.”
“All these offers say…’You qualify,’ ” she said. “No, I don’t.”
Banks would love to lend to this woman. Because of her past history, the banks can soak her on the interest rates AND, except in a few tightly defined circumstances, Malissa is largely ineligible to declare bankruptcy again for another six to eight years.
But she has the option to stop paying…then put up with stupid bill collectors ( ah caller ID) for a couple of months… then get sued show up and have a judge dismiss it anyway because she is broke.
She can wait them out….But you DO have waste a couple of hours in court…so be it…..Chances are she doesn’t make enough to make it worth it to attach her paycheck….
May as well rack up those CC’s and stop being frugal and planning for your future, the credit card bailouts are sure to be on the US agenda. When will this madness stop?
Lenders will stop making unrepayable loans when one thing happens: When they are forced to retain the repayment risk.
Separating lenders from repayment risk has been the core cause of the housing bubble and the resultant credit slowdown when the toxic debt bombs imploded.
If a lender can make a loan and quickly sell it off, pocketing a healthy fee, there is every incentive to make more loans and not care about the quality of those loans.
I’ll go you one further. Not just lenders - but buyers of credit-backed securities will stop buying such securities when they are forced to retain the risk. Or at least if they do buy them, they’ll only be willing to pay a lot less than what they previously did.
Cigarette makers aren’t going to enhance their battered public image with this latest bit of news: Tobacco giant Philip Morris International has been using captive child labor in Central Asia to harvest tobacco.
I’ll bet this is making the rest of the CEO class jealous
I don’t know which is worse, that or the news today that BP confirms (unapologetically) that they lobbied the Brit gov’t to release the Lockerbie bomber so they could do the deal with Quadaffi (sp) to drill of the coast of Libya. I thought there was something a little funny the way that guy was let go, the Britgov was real tight-lipped and high-handed about it.
How about the FDA sanctioning Avandia?
Death to the multi-national corporation, they’re a cancer on the planet. Yeah, corps have “personhood”, all right. Maybe they need the same “personhood” individuals have. Individuals are not allowed to murder, enslave, poison, harrass, etc. Now if I went over to my neighbor’s yard and consistently used it as a toilet, I’d be locked up. And yet BP goes and defecates in the Gulf, and gets Coast Guard protection.
Ike was right about the military industrial complex.
Ike was right about the military industrial complex
The core problem here is that bribery has become institutionalized among politicians. And money has been ruled speech. Thus, those with the most money, have the most influence (”speech”).
The Founders were so incredibly prescient with their instituting checks and balances in the government. But currently the legislative and executive branches of government are under severe “regulatory capture.”
We need a firewall between highly moneyed interests and politicians. Then, perhaps, they might be slightly more inclined to act in the public interest.
Of course, every solution has costs and benefits. We’re learning the cost/benefit schedule of our current system. We need to consider the cost/benefit schedule of a system in which politicians are not so beholden to moneyed interests.
Memphis’ Loss is Mexico’s Gain for Cummins Jobs ~ The Daily News
Cummins Inc. is cutting 100 jobs from its engine remanufacturing plant in Memphis and transferring the work to a facility in Mexico.
The layoffs will begin by the end of the month, said Mark Land, executive director of corporate communications for the global supplier of service engines and related technologies. The company is based in Columbus, Ind.
About 300 people currently work at the remanufacturing plant on Pershing Avenue, but the company employs about 1,400 people in Memphis either directly or indirectly. It operates a distribution facility here and has a joint venture with Cummins Mid-South LLC.
That work will be transferred to a Cummins facility in the Mexican state of San Luis Potosi.
I volunteer as an admissions interviewer for the University of Arizona’s business college.
This past spring, one of the interviewees was a guy who joined the Army a few months after 9/11. He served in Iraq, and, since his discharge, he worked for a private investor in NC. It taught him a lot about capital markets, and that’s why he was interested in the UA Eller College.
At the time of his interview, he was working part-time (24 hours in two days in a restaurant) while taking 20 credit hours at the community college.
And, if that’s not enough, he volunteers as a peer counselor at VA Tucson. His focus is on PTSD veterans. Reason: He is one, and he wants to help his fellow vets get better. It’s his way of repaying what others had done for him.
After he finished his interview, I turned to my partner and said, “We don’t deserve these people.”
We strongly recommended this young man for admission.
I don’t …..they signed on the dotted line when we are sending a bunch of them into battle zones….not a bright idea…
Remember most of these people are desperate, and the military is the only option…other then wallymart a gas station or maybe a Motel 8 in their hometown.
I had my gig…60 hr weeks installing ATE’s in the early 80’s.
(Remembering my 4 month motorcycle trip across western North America on my up to Alaska in ‘79 and reading the obituaries of exceedingly talented dead young people, cured me.)
Movie Gallery Files Proposed Chapter 11 Liquidation Plan in Virginia
Jul 15, 2010
Movie Gallery Inc., the video-rental chain that began shuttering its stores in February, filed a bankruptcy liquidation plan that would wipe out shareholder value, a key step in winding up the business.
Under the Chapter 11 plan filed July 13 in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Richmond, Virginia, general unsecured creditors would receive a pro rata share of a $5 million liquidating trust in cash. The filing didn’t include a disclosure statement further detailing the proposal.
Movie Gallery sought bankruptcy protection on Feb. 2, the second time since 2007, and subsequently closed all of its about 2,600 stores. The Dothan, Alabama-based chain, which is liquidating the last 1,028 locations, got approval this month to sell warehouse inventory.
The company listed debt of $500 million to $1 billion and assets of as much as $50 million in Chapter 11 documents.
(Crain’s) — Architect Lucien Lagrange is retiring as his firm files for bankruptcy protection.
One of the city’s most active designers for more than two decades, Mr. Lagrange, 69, says the firm filed for Chapter 11 protection from creditors Wednesday as a way to wind up its affairs and prevent him with being saddled with company debts after he stops working.
The bankruptcy petition is another reminder of how the dramatic downturn in development, particularly condominium towers, has hurt the design industry, which has suffered from layoffs. The filing is seemingly an ignominious chapter in a career that includes such high-profile projects as the Park Tower hotel/condo skyscraper, 800 N. Michigan Ave.; the 840 N. Lake Shore Drive condo building, and Elysian Hotel & Residences, 11 E. Walton St., which opened last year.
“No matter one’s stylistic preferences, Lucien is a major figure, not just in Chicago, but internationally,” says architect Stanley Tigerman, a principal in Chicago-based Tigerman McCurry Architects. “Of the type that does upscale condos, can you think of a better architect?”
AIG, Citigroup Tell SEC They Classified Some Repos as Sales
Jul 15, 2010
American International Group Inc. and Citigroup Inc. joined Bank of America Corp. in saying they classified more than $25 billion of repurchase agreements and securities lending transactions as sales since 2007.
AIG said in a letter to the Securities and Exchange Commission released today that accounting rules forced it to classify the agreements as sales. Citigroup told the SEC that it misclassified the transactions and that the errors were unintentional and “not material.” Bank of America said last week that it unintentionally misclassified transactions.
The reality is that no matter how smart, how strong, how educated or how hard working American workers are, they just cannot compete with people who are desperate to put in 10 to 12 hour days at less than a dollar an hour on the other side of the world. After all, what corporation in their right mind is going to pay an American worker 10 times more (plus benefits) to do the same job? The world is fundamentally changing. Wealth and power are rapidly becoming concentrated at the top and the big global corporations are making massive amounts of money. Meanwhile, the American middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence as U.S. workers are slowly being merged into the new “global” labor pool.
What do most Americans have to offer in the marketplace other than their labor? Not much. The truth is that most Americans are absolutely dependent on someone else giving them a job. But today, U.S. workers are “less attractive” than ever. Compared to the rest of the world, American workers are extremely expensive, and the government keeps passing more rules and regulations seemingly on a monthly basis that makes it even more difficult to conduct business in the United States.
So corporations are moving operations out of the U.S. at breathtaking speed. Since the U.S. government does not penalize them for doing so, there really is no incentive for them to stay.
What has developed is a situation where the people at the top are doing quite well, while most Americans are finding it increasingly difficult to make it. There are now about six unemployed Americans for every new job opening in the United States, and the number of “chronically unemployed” is absolutely soaring. There simply are not nearly enough jobs for everyone.
Many of those who are able to get jobs are finding that they are making less money than they used to. In fact, an increasingly large percentage of Americans are working at low wage retail and service jobs.
But you can’t raise a family on what you make flipping burgers at McDonald’s or on what you bring in from greeting customers down at the local Wal-Mart.
The truth is that the middle class in America is dying — and once it is gone it will be incredibly difficult to rebuild.
He ain’t just whistling dixie. What’s worse is that money controls gov so along with the death of the middle class comes the death of democracy in this country, and the death of free markets. The large fish will manipulate gov and keep the small fish from ever seeing the light of day. Eventually the vast majority of manufacturing and resource extraction will be controlled by a handfull of people. Even if you have money,your rights as a stock holder will be ignored.
“There are now about six unemployed Americans for every new job opening in the United States, and the number of “chronically unemployed” is absolutely soaring. There simply are not nearly enough jobs for everyone.”
But Barry says his stimulus is creating 3M jobs a year. So either he’s lying or the unemployed are lying. Who do you think it is?
Woman accused in cancer scam pleads guilty to felony theft.
Perouty-Leone faces up to 15-year prison term in Baltimore Co. case
June 15, 2010 The Baltimore Sun
In the beginning, she fooled everyone.
When Dina Perouty-Leone began telling friends and acquaintances that she had terminal stomach cancer and that she needed help paying for treatment because she had no health insurance, there was little reason to doubt her word.
“She was very kind, sweet and pleasant,” Jennifer Lasek, a former classmate in Dundalk who donated thousands of dollars, recalled on Tuesday. “She kept saying, ‘I love you. No one helps me like that.’ ”
But Lasek and others in Perouty-Leone’s circle were deceived, according to Baltimore County prosecutors, who charged the former real estate agent with four theft counts. She never had cancer, Assistant State’s Attorney Adam Lippe said, and had created an “elaborate scheme to obtain money from her friends to fund her lifestyle and not because of an illness.”
On Tuesday, Perouty-Leone, 37, pleaded guilty to a single count of felony theft. A 1990 graduate of Dundalk High School and the mother of two teenagers, she faces a maximum of 15 years in prison. Baltimore County Circuit Judge John G. Turnbull II ordered her jailed until she is sentenced Aug. 31.
“I’m sorry,” the tearful defendant said as she turned toward Lasek and another woman she admitted deceiving, Jennifer Lynch, and both avoided her gaze. Perouty-Leone, looking tanned, removed her jewelry and handed it to a bailiff before being led from the courtroom. As she left, she looked at her sister, who was crying, and called out, “Take care of my kids.”
Guy, permit the Palmster a little shouting. CNN is reporting:
BP: NO OIL FLOWING INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MONTHS AS PART OF TEST OF RUPTURED WELL.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whew, let’s hope it stays that way. I was just looking at the live feed of the test, of course I have no idea what I’m looking at, but all those robotics sure are interesting. It’s a real cliffhanger watching the robotic claw try to grasp the handle of that cap. It’s like trying to thread a needle.
But it looks like they got the cap over the riser.
Of course, as has been said, even if this works, it’s just the end of the beginning. Years of mitigation, remediation ahead.
I meant, “Guys”, not “Guy”. As in “folks”, “fellow HBBers”, etc.
I have been very depressed as a result of the BP spill. Those of you who don’t care much for me can take great comfort in the fact that the Palmster has actually shed some pretty bitter tears over this, I even surprised myself with my own reaction, real full throated sobbing like when a loved one dies.
Some days I feel the same about the US. The US has been my buddy for a long time, she gave me a good life and she’s a-dyin’.
I have very bad feelings in my heart for many politicians, and for multi-national corp execs, etc. Very bad.
I’m there. Yeah, it was all a bit much. Let’s see, economy/market spinning out of control? Check! Pols grandstanding, check! And in ‘our’ case here in Oregon, “summer” ( such as it is ) only arrived about a week and half ago.
My assoc. next town over asked me why I hadn’t -called- all this time!? I said I was too depressed. He said, hey ( I could use a little “talking off the ledge” once in awhile myself? )
Unless Complete Anarchy (TM) is your design for this country, I can’t imagine anyone is very happy right about now?
DinOR, I thank you for your thoughts, I think I need to back away from a lot of this and turn my attention in other directions, no way I’m going to singlehandedly reform the system.
It’s not all totally grim, but I often wish I could just get back to the US as it was, or better.
In contrast to the “top kill” fiasco, this time Obama will wait a few days to be good and sure before he shows up in front of the cameras to take credit for stopping up the leak.
Palmetto, I understand your feelings. I was born in Tampa and raised in Florida, but now live in Atlanta. All of my childhood memories are from Florida, swimming in the ocean, guava tree in the backyard, eating mangoes on the way home from school, breaking coconuts on the street, orange groves, fishing, and all the beautiful tropical flowers and just the beauty of so many places in Florida. I love Florida and I’m worried about this oil spill and what will happen to Florida. I love to visit Florida, but how long will I be able to visit and enjoy swimming in the ocean?
And I keep thinking of that twilight spent sitting on the seawall in Pascagoula, MS. Behind us were Katrina-destroyed houses. In front of us was the Gulf. So still and peaceful with the sun sinking in the west.
Companies Piling Up Cash But Not Adding Jobs
Washington Post: If Corporations Are Sitting On So Much Money, Why Aren’t They Hiring More Workers?
Corporate America is hoarding a massive pile of cash. It just doesn’t want to spend it hiring anyone.
Nonfinancial companies are sitting on $1.8 trillion in cash, roughly one-quarter more than at the beginning of the recession. And as several major firms report impressive earnings this week, the money continues to flow into firms’ coffers.
Yet all the good news from big business hasn’t translated into much promise for jobless Americans, leading many to wonder: If corporations are sitting on so much money, why aren’t they hiring more workers?
The answer to that question has become a political flash point between the White House and big business groups such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which held a jobs summit Wednesday and accused the Obama administration of dumping onerous regulations on businesses. That has created an environment of “uncertainty,” which is causing firms to hold back on hiring as the unemployment rate has hovered near 10 percent, the Chamber said.
The White House countered that companies are wary of hiring not because of new regulations but because they’re still waiting for consumer demand to return. The administration also claimed credit for 3.5 million jobs created by the stimulus bill from last year.
The White House countered that companies are wary of hiring not because of new regulations but because they’re still waiting for consumer demand to return.
This has been borne out through at least one survey conducted by the National Federation of Independent Businesses.
Last week, President Barack Obama announced new assistance to small businesses, including a lending program through the Small Business Administration.
But the NFIB said the new aid is misdirected, as “only 5 percent of small business owners cite ‘financing’ as their top business problem but 31 percent cite ‘poor sales.’”
“Loans are not in short supply,” it said, “but reasons to get loans certainly are.”
“Loans are not in short supply,” it said, “but reasons to get loans certainly are.”
x2 foreign wars can’t produce enough demand?…reckon the folks lining up in front of the recycling machine at the grocery store are doing it for Patriotic reasons of war material shortages…
Companies Piling Up Cash But Not Adding Jobs
Washington Post: If Corporations Are Sitting On So Much Money, Why Aren’t They Hiring More Workers?
Corporate America is hoarding a massive pile of cash. It just doesn’t want to spend it hiring anyone.
If they spend it then there will be less for the CEO to siphen off and to pay himself with.
I think it suggests that teh CEO class knows the middle class in the US is dead. They won’t start hiring Americans until Americans are reduced to living like 3rd world wage slaves. Of course at that point there won’t be any customers.
“Of course at that point there won’t be any customers.”
One of my friends says he has lots of customers, but they’re not buying anything. He turns on the lights and air conditioning every morning, and stays there all day to see if he can break-even. Quiet desperation.
Freeway cameras set to turn off tonight
Phoenix Business Journal
Arizona’s foray into speed cameras on freeways will end at the stroke of midnight.
Redflex Traffic Systems will flip the switch at 11:59 p.m. July 15, the last minute of its contract with the Arizona Department of Public Safety. It will begin taking down signs warning drivers of impending speed traps after midnight.
The cameras are likely to remain well past Labor Day, as Phoenix-based Redflex has to coordinate possible freeway closures with the Arizona Department of Transportation to remove the equipment, said Shoba Vaitheeswaran, director of communications for Redflex.
The company plans to disperse the equipment — 40 vans and 36 stationary cameras — among its 250 other contracts.
Speed cameras are very, very effective at reducing speeds of people who know they are there.
The catch is that politicians don’t want people to know they are there, so they can act as revenue generators.
If the politicians were serious about trying to reduce speeds, there would be a protocol which mandated a 10 x 10 foot black letters on yellow background sign, which indicated “speed cameras ahead”. People would slow down to the speed limit. But you won’t see that. And people know they are being fleeced.
I’d have no problem with speed cameras, if they were clearly marked.
Goldman to pay $550M to settle civil fraud charges
WASHINGTON – Goldman Sachs & Co. has agreed to pay $550 million to settle civil fraud charges that accused the Wall Street giant of misleading buyers of mortgage-related investments.
The deal calls for Goldman to pay the Securities and Exchange Commission fines of $300 million. The rest of the money will go to compensate those who lost money on the investments.
The investments at the center of the charges were crafted with input from a Goldman client who was betting on them to fail. The securities cost investors close to $1 billion while helping Goldman client Paulson & Co. capitalize on the housing bust.
The civil charges the SEC filed April 16 were the most significant legal action related to the mortgage meltdown that pushed the country into recession.
You actually expected the porn connoisseurs at the SEC to impose accountability on our unelected Fourth Branch of Government? You are a silly, silly man.
Gollum settles for $550 million slap on the wrist. Where are the perp walks???
The masters of government are still the masters of government. This financial reform bill does not change that. It has been heavily influenced by the existing Fed and Treasury personnel (lousy with Gollum alumni and others). And by a legion of FIRE lobbyists.
The media has been breathless in its barely concealed joy at the passage of Dodd-Frank. A CBS News radio reporter even stated that the bill is stronger than the one Obama originally wanted. I laughed out loud. A stated example of the increased strength was the creation of the CFPA. What our ersatz hero failed to note was the CFPA was significantly weaker than originally proposed, now being under the control of the Fed, which was heavily complicit in promoting the credit crisis and associated malinvestment.
So, perp walks for the FIRE sector masters of the universe are still some time away, and there needs to be a lot more degradation in the standard of living.
I think it’ll happen. Eventually. Populations in many parts of the world exist which live at much lower standards than we do. But, you can’t take a people which has been enjoying a higher standard of living, and lower it, and not expect some serious unrest.
DUDE
The link provides a clue as to why I think 3% down FHA financing is an evil to society.
NATALIE
Well, if we hadn’t gotten zero down on our house we would most likely never ever be able to afford one. Ever. It may not be a benefit to society, but it’s been a benefit to us.
DIERDRE
I see what you mean, though, some people,-not all-, get in over their heads. THEN it becomes hard on society when every other house on the block is in forclosure and then decreases the value of the neighborhood.
DUDE
OK, for the individual which is better, a $200K loan with 3% down, or a $100K loan with 6% down?
DEIRDRE
definitely the $100K…each % is 6,000, but naturally you have less to pay off. Is that what you mean?
DUDE
Dierdre, getting in over one’s head is only part of the problem. If you look at the chart I linked you can see a huge spike in home prices at the end of WW2. Most people attribute that to demand due to the returning veterans. IMHO it was due to the veterans, but the demand went hand in hand with the ability to purchase with 0% down as part of the GI bill. The government guaranteed (subsidized) the loan, so more money was made available.
When more money is available to purchase a fixed quantity of goods, what happens to the price of those goods? It rises until equilibrium is established. The same thing happened in 1977 with the passage of the Community Reinvestment Act and in the early 90s with important revisions to same. All those legislations made it easier to purchase a home with little or no money down, and thereby inflated the price of housing.
The largest distortion, however, was not caused by government, at least not directly. The creation of mortgage backed securities in the late 90s made it possible for banks to pass on their risk in lending to another third party, meaning that if they could sell someone on the idea that 0% down was adequate, then that was all it took to get a loan done. That was shown to be a bad idea since it was found that a strawberry picker earning $16K/annum just can’t pay for a $600K house. (actual case)
Hopefully that makes sense, and explains my position. Housing is much more costly than it should be, much of the cost difference between today and pre WW2 is due to government subsidies, and the lion’s share of the labor we do to pay for our inflated housing goes to?
“NATALIE
Well, if we hadn’t gotten zero down on our house we would most likely never ever be able to afford one. Ever. It may not be a benefit to society, but it’s been a benefit to us.”
Sounds like she misses one of the key evils of low-down loans, which is to push up prices to unaffordable levels (unless you use a low-down loan to buy, that is).
Just got back from Foodtown… Hey guys what do you make of the Food Stamps EBT cards not working? they were frozen due to the budget problem in Albany……hmmmm
* The Wall Street Journal
* POLITICS
* JULY 15, 2010
Senate VIP Loans Mount Countrywide Dealt With More Lawmakers and Staffers Than Previously Known
By JOHN R. EMSHWILLER
Angelo Mozilo, former Countrywide Financial chairman
U.S. senators or Senate employees received 30 loans—far more than had previously been known—under a controversial lending program at Countrywide Financial Corp. that provided cut-rate terms to favored borrowers.
The information is contained in a letter sent to the Senate Select Committee on Ethics by Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.), who has been spearheading the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee’s investigation into Countrywide’s so-called VIP mortgage program.
No specific loan recipients were named in the letter. But Mr. Issa’s letter said borrowers on a dozen loans listed their place of employment as the office of “Senator Robert Bennett.” Available public records don’t indicate that Sen. Bennett, a Utah Republican and member of the Senate Banking Committee, received a Countrywide home loan.
Sens. Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.) and Kent Conrad (D., N.D.), have previously been identified among the high-profile individuals who received such loans. Both senators have denied wrongdoing. Until the Issa letter, no other senators or their staff members had been linked to the VIP loan program.
A spokeswoman for Sen. Bennett didn’t respond to questions. Sen. Bennett recently lost his primary election battle and will be leaving the Senate in January after 18 years.
A spokesman for the Senate Ethics panel declined to comment. A spokesman for Bank of America Corp., which in 2008 acquired Countrywide, said the company had cooperated with the investigation by the House committee.
The VIP program operated during the housing boom earlier this decade, often writing mortgages with terms more favorable than those available to the general public. An estimated 28,000 loans were made, mostly to private parties such as Countrywide employees or their friends and relatives.
The House Oversight panel, where Mr. Issa is the ranking Republican member, is probing whether such loans were issued to public officials in an attempt to influence them. Last year, the committee subpoenaed VIP loan records from Bank of America.
In his letter dated July 13, Mr. Issa wrote that on seven loans not tied to Mr. Bennett’s office, the borrowers listed their place of employment as “U.S. Senator.” Another 11 listed the “U.S. Senate.” In response to questions, a spokesman for Mr. Issa said the House committee didn’t receive the names of the borrowers from Bank of America.
More than one loan could have gone to the same person, such as a mortgage and a separate home-equity line of credit. Mr. Conrad received four Countrywide loans, a spokesman for the senator said. Mr. Dodd reportedly received at least two. Their loans were presumably included in the 30.
Mr. Issa’s letter said that many of the 30 loans were made in 2002 and 2003, at the beginning of a national “mortgage boom” that helped make Countrywide for a time the nation’s biggest home lender. Increasing problems in its loan portfolio led to Countrywide’s takeover and contributed to the widespread economic upheaval that hit the country in 2008.
The letter said the House committee’s investigation had found that Countrywide used the VIP loan program to “build relationships with government officials.”
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Markets up 7 days straight. Ready to make it 8.
Dow 12K is still my prediction for 2010. Almost got there in June, we’ll get there by Dec.
The market will probably end the year exacly where it started the year.
Is that worth a decent bonus at GoldenmanSucks?
I’m stoked too. A couple weeks ago I got to use my DOW 10,000! ball cap again for the 32nd time since 1999. I like to put it on every time DOW 10,000 is crossed up or down.
Talk about good investments, it’s looking a little worn out but that ball cap rocks!
I’m assuming that ball cap is for your noggin?
I’m looking for a selloff for the last quarter, as people take profits ahead of tax increases. So Dow 12K unlikely.
What evidence do you have that taxes will increase? Or is that your subjective conjecture?
Democratic pundits have stated that the Dems plan to push a lot of things through in a “lame duck” session after the expected losses in the November elections. So a tax increase would definately be expected.
Plus a lot of the Bush tax breaks are set to expire next year, so even without Congress acting we should expect certain tax increases.
Here’s a lame duck story:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704293604575343262629361470.html
Here’s a lame duck story:
Love it when the young southern repubicans “educate strategy” to the democrapts, …just love it!
15% capital gains tax on dividends and long term capital gains will almost double, depending on your tax bracket. So it behooves anyone (including mutual funds, etc.) who happens to have long term gains to sell by the year end. You may even see companies who normally give dividends in January or February push them forward to December.
On Jan 1, 2011 every marginal tax rate goes up. No vote has to be taken for this to happen.
Get Out While You Can! Dow Headed to 5000, Charles Nenner Says
Tech Ticker ~ 7-15-10
Enjoy the recent stock market rally while it lasts. Market forecaster Charles Nenner tells Tech Ticker stocks will peak in about a month and then head south for the year.
“After late August I expect the market to go down again,” and eventually test the March 2009 lows in the next few years, he says on the phone from Israel. Therefore, long-term investors would be wise to use this rally as an opportunity to get out of stocks. “I see this as a bear market rally,” he says comparing the U.S. market to Japan – a prolonged bear market with wild fluctuations.
Until the end of August, stocks will trade in a tight range, he predicts. His near term upside target is 1155 on the S&P 500, but that’s only if it first breaks 1100. If the market finds resistance and closes below 1085, it could spell trouble.
It’s worth paying attention to Nenner’s warning. As Seeking Alpha contributor Cliff Wachtel points out, Nenner has a pretty good track record with his recent calls:
I wonder if Nenner is shorting the market.
Looks to me like Fat Finger Boy is taking that sucker straight down at the moment, but there is no reason a mysterious midday rally can’t bring ‘er right back up to the opening bell by closing time.
“Ready to make it 8.”
The eighth roll of the dice came up with snake eyes for ya, Eddie…
In all fairness to Eddie, they day is still young and the PPT is eager and willing.
The PPT did an amazing job of bringing the market back up near opening bell levels…
S&P is up 8 days in a row.
Dow and NAS just missed lucky number 8.
12K by 12/31
7/14/2010 8:30 PM ET
Could the Dow fall to 1,000?
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The Dow 1,000 prediction and reactions
It was enough for Larry Summers, a Harvard economist and senior economic adviser to President Barack Obama, to declare that the country was moving toward “escape velocity”: The recession had been defeated, and we were now on the path of self-sustaining growth. Then things started to unravel. Whoops.
It started with the announcement of the government’s lawsuit against Goldman Sachs (GS, news, msgs) on April 16, continued with the European debt crisis and accelerated on signs of weakness in recent economic reports. The economy’s rate of growth has slowed with the ISM Manufacturing and Non-Manufacturing indexes pulling back slightly on a reduction in new orders. Corporate payrolls fell by 125,000 last month. Consumer and investor confidence has been shaken as fears of a “double-dip” recession have grown. And stocks are down about 10% from their 2010 highs.
Things got so bad that when technical analyst Robert Prechter predicted this month in a New York Times article that the Dow could fall as low as 1,000 — from around 10,000 now — the most dour forecast I’ve heard sounded reasonable to a lot of people.
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“This sucker is going down.”
– George Walker Bush –
Now, now,….they are filled with “TrueAnger™”
Hwy, is your own anger true, or is it contrived?
Or maybe you’re not angry at all, just depressed. Seeing the way “Hope and Change” has worked out, I can understand why you’d be depressed.
“Hope and Change” has been successfully stymied by “Dig in Your Heels”.
What a crock of $hit. Hope and change was dead the moment the empty suit appointed Geithner and Summers. Everything after that was just excuses.
What a crock of $hit. Hope and change was dead the moment the empty suit appointed Geithner and Summers. Everything after that was just excuses.
My prediction: Timmy and Larry and Robbie (Rubin) will be walking the plank within a year. Something about Obama finally waking up and realizing that having a Wall Street-centric economic team will hurt him in 2012.
And another prediction: Watch for the public option to come back in a big way before 2012. Something about keeping the insurance companies honest. (And, yes, we’ve heard that little ditty before.)
I don’t get why everyone on this board keeps bagging on Obie. Just yesterday (I think), on NPR, they were doing a show where they were talking about how “business leaders” (Goldman Sachs, BP, etc) had written this letter to Obama saying how they thought he should be more “friendly” toward them on taxes, etc. They thought he should be more friendly toward “free trade”, and so on and so on.
Now, isn’t that exactly what we want to hear? That BP, GS, etc are pissed? That Obama is not following along with globalization (i.e., “free trade”)? By all signs, it appears to me that Obie is doing EXACTLY what HBBers want.
1. Tariffs on tires.
2. Making banks pay back the Bush bailout over time.
3. Not being a “free trader”.
4. Ticking off FBs by creating programs that only help the most deserving of them, while leaving the rest to figure it out for themselves.
Sounds great to me.
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Guantanamo Bay
- Love affair with public unions
- Wasted stimulus money
- Sweet words and reach-arounds for Blankfein and Dimon
- Quashing of the “audit the Fed” movement led directly by the White House
- Inaction on the Gulf of Mexico tragedy
- Not only failure to secure border but lawsuits to fight a state that is trying to do what he won’t do
- Vilification of Tea Parties which are practicing their constitutional rights (whether you agree with them or not)
- Re-nomination of Bernanke
- Geithner and Summers and Rubin
- Rahm Emanuel
I’m sorry. What were you saying Big V?
I don’t get why everyone on this board keeps bagging on Obie.
I don’t bag on Brock.
But I am frustrated.
I think he used way more hype than was necessary to beat either Hillary or McCain - the former being essentially “unelectable” and the latter being simply a Bush retread.
He used all that hype, but once he was in office, things really haven’t changed that much. The problems we face are enormous and the hype makes him look ineffectual at best.
Not to mention continuing the Bush administration’s fight to protect AT&T from being investigated for illegal wire-tapping, for one.
“I don’t get why everyone on this board keeps bagging on Obie.”
It may seem that way at times, but only because Eddie and WMBZ post an awful lot…
Obama is not an empty suit, no matter how much Rush likes to call him that.
How can one be an empty suit AND operate the Grand Conspiracy to make everyone dependent on the gov dole so they keep voing Dem at the same time?
The real empty suit is Sarah Palin. When is the last time she spoke without a teleprompter? Oh, right, when Katie asked her what newspapers she read.
lavi d,
I’d admit to being pretty frustrated too, but if we’re being fair, that’s a generation’s worth of President’s contingencies to deal with? Let alone in 2 years.
I noted the overkill on the hype earlier today as well.
Blah, blah, blah…
Cheney-Shrub hand-off the US economy Jan 2009: “It’s all there, you just have to… rebuild it! See ya!”
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“How can one be an empty suit AND operate the Grand Conspiracy to make everyone dependent on the gov dole so they keep voing Dem at the same time?”
The same way that Bush was at the same time a blithering idiot AND an evil genius who orchestrated 9/11 to get the US into Iraq to get all its oil.
I have never said he’s an empty suit. I have always said he is a power hungry socialist who will destory this country. And, right I was.
Highway you do realize there were plenty of democrats in charge for three years or so now. A lot of them were responsible for the TARP bailout along with other abominations like the GM bailout.
Those things are not good for the ole USA.
While the wreckage was clearly building under Bush and the Republicans plenty of democrats were steadily working to make things worse. You had Barney Frank and Chris Dodd pushing on Fannie/Freddie/FHA to absorb a hell of a lot of bad debt as gifts to the banks. Not to mention fighting any reform. And Krugman can go f5ck himself about the GSE not being an enabler in this fiasco; before you and the liberal clan bring it up. Clearly being originators on 1/3 the debt during the bubble and all of the origination since means your a major cause.
Anyhow, things are getting ground through. So many cooked balance sheets and so little transparency. Be a long time before capital formation allows us to write off and dispose of the bad banks. Hopefully the empty suit in the whitehouse doesn’t money with our currency enough to cause a collapse. Nice team he picked there. Republicans couldn’t have done it any better.
+1
FOREX is going against the $US today, too. Can’t be a good sign for the U.S. economic outlook, as typically, a weakening of the dollar is seen later in the days when an early-day U.S. stock market swoon turns into a late day rally.
Dow 12K is still my prediction for 2010. Almost got there in June
Yes, back in the spring you predicted Dow 12K by June. The market is no higher now than it was then. How does this count as being “almost” correct?
Even if I accept that 11,250 is “almost” 12K (only off by 6%, a full year’s return in a good year), this prediction would be useless unless you also warned us about the subsequent huge drop. Only SUSTAINED rises in the averages might (or might not) indicate a real recovery.
In geological terms, it’s a bullseye.
Also a bulleye by econometric and economic forecasting standards…(you know the mantra: “Worse than expected…”)
I predict Eddies face will get really red when he reads this.
Nah — he will just tightly shut his eyes, insert his thumbs in his ears, wave his fingers and begin reciting the customary troll chant:
“Nah-nee-nah-nee-naah–naah–”
Dude, I’m not a fortune teller here to warn you about things.
In Jan while many of y’all were talking about Dow 6K or 7K in 2010, I said 12K by June. I was off by 700 and off by a month.
Here is where it counts:
How much money did you make with the 6k or 7k prediction? Excactly. How much money did I make with the 12K prediction? Exactly.
Now here is my prediction (not fortune prediction mind you)…12K by EOY. If you think I’m full of it, short the markets like they’ve never been shorted before and make more money than you’ll know what to do with and rub it in my face if you’re right. I’ll stay long.
We’ll compare balance sheets in 5.5 months. Deal?
I didn’t predict it in the “spring” I predicted it in Dec/Jan when Dow was just north of 10K. I said 12K by June. Dow hit 11.3K in May. Sorry, next time I’ll try to be more accurate than “pretty damn close”.
BTW how is that Dow 1K prediction coming along that I see so often here?
“BTW how is that Dow 1K prediction coming along that I see so often here?”
How is that one-man straw man caricature machine I see so often here, pretty much whenever you aren’t otherwise occupied taking pot shots at Obama?
Extra7/14/2010 8:30 PM ET
Could the Dow fall to 1,000?
A recent dive in the market and some pessimistic predictions have investors running scared again. Here’s a look at some worst-case scenarios — and how to prepare.
By Anthony Mirhaydari
MSN Money
Things got so bad that when technical analyst Robert Prechter predicted this month in a New York Times article that the Dow could fall as low as 1,000 — from around 10,000 now — the most dour forecast I’ve heard sounded reasonable to a lot of people.
Cycles and fate
Charles Nenner believes the stock market, like the economy and indeed the universe, is predetermined. In a phone conversation from Israel, Nenner outlined a rather bleak future: Stocks should rise to an important top sometime in September, before a two-year fall.
Nenner’s work is based on cycles. His research focuses on uncovering and harnessing the overlapping patterns that are at work in the world. Technical analysis is already something of a dark art. Cycle work is on the fringes of what is already seen by many as a pseudoscience. But Nenner has demonstrated a downright-scary ability to glimpse into the future. And that’s why hedge funds and other institutional traders pay top dollar for his insights.
On the surface, believing that markets operate on some unseen wavelength is at once ridiculous and curiously plausible. After all, our lives are controlled by cycles: the cycle of night and day, the workweek, the seasons, the human gestation period of 40 weeks, the tides and the weather.
Though it’s not perfect, Nenner’s track record suggests he could be on to something. Nenner caught a lot of people’s attention when he warned of trouble in 2007 and recommended people stay out of stocks throughout 2008. In February 2009, he predicted a major rally would start “in a few weeks” and take the S&P 500 Index ($INX) up over 1,000. And in April 2009, he said gold would go on to a new high in a year. Both predictions came true.
In a May 31 note to clients, Nenner said that the stock market’s rise in late May was a head fake and that another low was due around June 11. The actual date was June 8. His cycle work then showed a dramatic slide lower starting in late June and continuing into July. That’s exactly what happened.
Next, Nenner expects an intermediate high for stocks later this month, followed by a late-August slide that retests recent lows and then a strong rebound into September. Though the short-term outlook doesn’t seem so bad, Nenner’s medium-term forecast is rather gloomy.
After the September bump, the cycles suggest stocks should fall into a major low due Christmas Eve. How major? Think of the November 2008 to March 2009 period. Something like that.
As for a specific price target, Nenner believes the Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU) should return to the 7,000 level sometime over the next two years –
I’ll see your stock market index, and raise you one Baltic Dry Index - down for 35 days or so straight now, and hitting early 2009 levels.
The stock market’s rise is due to two things:
- Inflation expectations
- Manipulation
Other indices aren’t quite so easy to manipulate; and they’re not painting a pretty recovery picture.
Click on the 5yr view and compare current to June 2008 levels. She’s screaming “deflation,” but the international monetary authorities will do what they can to stifle her screams…
6/05/08 11,689
7/14/10 1,709
Cumulative drop in the Baltic Dry Index since onset of The Great Contraction =
(1,709/11,689-1)*100 = -85%.
Nothing to see here, folks — move along, please…
speaking of Baltic Dry…has anyone followed up on those Ghost Ships just off Singapore?
Don’t know about those ships, but those shipping costs must be plummeting day-in, day-out for a reason. I suspect the global dry bulk shipping market is responding to a collapse of the Chinese-U.S. symbiosis, reflected by a dearth of demand for dry bulk shipments.
Bloomberg
China Stocks Slide on U.S. Concern; Zijin, Developers Decline
July 15, 2010, 10:14 PM EDT
July 16 (Bloomberg) — China’s stocks declined, dragging the benchmark index lower for a second day, as U.S. reports showed manufacturing contracted and wholesale prices dropped, fueling concerns of a global slowdown.
Cosco Shipping Co. fell 0.9 percent as a measure of marine freight costs dropped. Zijin Mining Group Co. dropped 4.2 percent after it said three managers were detained by the police after an acid spill. Poly Real Estate Group Co. slid as the China Securities Journal cited a Shanghai official as saying a property tax would be well-timed. Agricultural Bank of China Ltd. lost 0.4 percent in Shanghai as it debuted in Hong Kong.
The benchmark Shanghai Composite Index sank 11.5, or 0.5 percent, to 2,412.81 as of 10 a.m. local time. The measure yesterday slumped the most in two weeks after economic growth trailed estimates and is headed for a 2.4 percent loss for the week. The CSI 300 Index fell 0.3 percent to 2,600.6.
“Sentiment is very negative at the moment,” Anthony Bolton, Fidelity International’s president for investment, said in a Bloomberg Television interview. Measures to curb property speculation will be maintained “for a while because I think they really want to cool the property market down,” he said.
The Shanghai index has declined 26 percent this year, the worst performance among benchmark Asian gauges, on concern measures by the government to control real-estate speculation and rising consumer prices will slow the world’s third-largest economy. Stocks on the gauge trade at 18 times reported earnings, compared with last year’s high of 35 times.
Agricultural Bank fell 0.4 percent to 2.69 yuan, barely above its initial public offering price of 2.68 yuan. Its stock rose 2.2 percent in Hong Kong.
Economic Growth
Industrial output rose 13.7 percent, compared with analysts’ forecasts of 15.1 percent. That was the weakest since September, excluding January and February numbers distorted by a Lunar New Year holiday.
U.S. stocks tumbled yesterday as Federal Reserve reports on the Philadelphia and New York regions showed manufacturing growth trailed economist estimates, suggesting corporate profit growth may not be sustained. Stocks reversed losses after BP Plc said it temporarily halted the flow of oil from its Gulf of Mexico well and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. rallied before settling the federal government’s fraud lawsuit.
Cosco Shipping fell 0.9 percent to 6.77 yuan. China Cosco Shipping Co. slid 0.6 percent to 8.74 yuan.
Shipping Costs
The Baltic Dry Index fell 9 points, or 0.5 percent, to 1,700 points, according to the Baltic Exchange in London. That’s the 35th consecutive drop, the longest streak since November 1995.
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‘Markets up 7 days straight. Ready to make it 8. Dow 12K is still my prediction for 2010. Almost got there in June, we’ll get there by Dec.”
Eddie, if you think Obama and the administration are making the wrong decisions for the health of our economy– which i agree with you on– why does it not follow that the market should have a very bad year?
In other words, if you think the government is doing all the wrong things, how are you a market cheerleader?
Everything is eventual.
U.S. homes repossessed by banks set to hit record 1 million this year
Washington Times
The number of American homes repossessed by banks hit a record high in the second quarter of the year, putting the number of foreclosures on track to hit a record 1 million by the end of 2010.
Bank repossessions increased 5 percent from the previous quarter and 38 percent from the second quarter of 2009 to 268,962, according to data released early Thursday by RealtyTrac, an Irvine, Calif., firm that tracks the foreclosure market.
But while the number of homes in the final stage of the foreclosure process increased, the number of new filings fell. Both default and auction notices were down on a month-over-month and year-over-year basis.
The combination of bad news and good news can be explained by two seemingly contradictory trends that are the result of Obama administration efforts to encourage with lenders to help homeowners in distresss.
Over the past few months, lenders have been clearing out a backlog of homes that had been temporarily saved from foreclosure thanks to prevention efforts in 2009. And at the same time, they have been delaying foreclosure proceedings on homeowners with delinquent payments and instead trying to work with more aggressive loan modification strategies or to accept a short sale.
Given that the housing market seems to get ever more constipated with its backlog of repossessed homes, it seems certain that a massive inventory dump will follow at some point.
The question is how soon.
Oh well Didn’t get the 1 day a week job at another internet radio station…they wanted a button pusher and not someone who wants to be in radio.
At KXCI, we had a deejay who fit that profile to a tee. This gal wanted to be in radio so bad it hurt. But, alas, the industry leans toward the button-pushers, and that’s what her previous radio gigs were like. And she was miserable.
Well, she came to KXCI and just unleashed her talents upon our listenership. It was impressive, to say the least.
Alas, she just left the station to pursue her musical and voiceover careers. She just put out another album, and it’s good stuff.
We really miss her, but, at the same time, we wish her well. I think we’ll be able to say that we knew her when.
A seacoast food pantry says the cupboards are bare yet decides to pay twice as much rent for a location with better physical layout to improve workflow.
I’m sorry but this is what is wrong with America. When she tells us they’ve always had beans, a food pantry staple and now they don’t even have beans and even their secret stash room is now empty shouldn’t it scream out to her they can’t afford to double the rent?
America, you can’t afford it!!!!! Make due.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20100715-NEWS-7150402
Good article, CarrieAnn. One would think that because the new space is in the city hall that the city would give them a deal on the space.
Its a little ironic that meat and produce are still plentiful in the food pantry (donated by grocery stores who couldn’t sell them), since they’re among the more expensive items.
But they are perishable, whereas dry beans aren’t. Meat and produce are generally donated by stores when they reach their “sell by” dates.
Everyone loves planning for new space and making “work flow” better. You get to have a little party with photo ops and donated cupcakes and sometimes even cutting a ribbon. No one likes saying may be we should move to a lower rent area NOW while stocks are low and it would be cheap to move what little we have and then we can spend more money on our actual purpose for existing which is giving food to hungry people.
The directors of the organization need to grow up and kick the woman in charge in the behind. Maybe she needs a salary cut too.
Yes, Polly, but you must understand the nature of enterprising people. Their goal, whether it is government, business, religion or charity, is to EXPAND their sphere of influence and importance.
If the GOAL was to get people off of handouts and donations from others, then the enterprise is a total failure……..along with all government programs like “headstart”, public housing, food stamps, AFDC programs, and the like.
EVERY social worker wants to be in charge of more “recipients” so that their own self-importance rises and they are secure in their organizations continuing mission.
The mission never ends………….it just expands.
This is another example of expanding the mission. If, however, it was a real business, in the real world, and failed to have sufficient revenues, it would simply close. As it should.
Preach it, Diogenes!
Here in Tucson, the Community Food Bank is very big on the “donate a can of food” mentality. They also have a food security center that has various programs to teach people how to grow their own food. IIRC, this center also runs a community garden.
Well, guess which part of the food bank has more oomph? If you guessed the “donate the can” side, you’re right.
And, what’s especially infuriating to me is that a friend used to work at the food bank. She was way up there on the org chart, and I used to get on my “Give the food security center more airplay!” soapbox on a regular basis.
My friend never disagreed with my rants, but, from what I could gather, there were internal politics that prevented the FSC from getting more promotion in the community.
Far too many neighborhoods these days don’t allow food gardens. And the reality is you can’t feed yourself from a few pots on the back porch. Supplement, yes, but rely on, no.
The March of Dimes original goal was to stamp out polio. After the Sauk and Sabine vaccines came out, they properly should have thrown a victory party and disbanded.
This was 50 years ago. Last time I checked MOD is still around.
NATO was established to counter the USSR’s attempts to dominate Europe. The USSR collapsed 20 years ago. NATO should have thrown a victory party and disbanded.
Last I checked NATO is still in business.
Diogenes, I’m afraid you are exactly right. It’s less about really helping people and more about helping themselves… to more money and petty power.
Charities and non-profits don’t live in the real world. It’s why I gave up on them long ago and cringe whenever I hear politicians say we should rely more on the private charities as our social safety net.
It’s the equivalent of investing Social Security in the stock market. Or sticking your finger in a light socket.
The article does not say how much the rent is. Doubling from $500 to $1000 is not as significant as doubling from $5,000 to $10,000.
Still, it is enough that they had to think about it.
“Every great cause starts out as a movement, degenerates into a business, and ends up a racket.”
Eric Hoffer
Homes lost to foreclosure on track for 1M in 2010
By ALEX VEIGA, AP
7 hours ago
LOS ANGELES — More than 1 million American households are likely to lose their homes to foreclosure this year, as lenders work their way through a huge backlog of borrowers who have fallen behind on their loans.
Nearly 528,000 homes were taken over by lenders in the first six months of the year, a rate that is on track to eclipse the more than 900,000 homes repossessed in 2009, according to data released Thursday by RealtyTrac Inc., a foreclosure listing service.
“That would be unprecedented,” said Rick Sharga, a senior vice president at RealtyTrac.
By comparison, lenders have historically taken over about 100,000 homes a year, Sharga said.
The surge in home repossessions reflects the dynamic of a foreclosure crisis that has shown signs of leveling off in recent months, but remains a crippling drag on the housing market.
The pace at which new homes falling behind in payments and entering the foreclosure process has slowed as banks continue to let delinquent borrowers stay longer in their homes rather than adding to the glut of foreclosed properties on the market. At the same time, lenders have stepped up repossessions in an effort to clear out the backlog of distressed inventory on their books.
The number of households facing foreclosure in the first half of the year climbed 8 percent versus the same period last year, but dropped 5 percent from the last six months of 2009, according to RealtyTrac, which tracks notices for defaults, scheduled home auctions and home repossessions.
In all, about 1.7 million homeowners received a foreclosure-related warning between January and June. That translates to one in 78 U.S. homes.
Foreclosure notices posted monthly declines in April, May and June, but Sharga said one shouldn’t read too much into that.
“The banks are really sort of controlling or managing the dial on how fast these things get processed so they can ultimately manage the inventory of distressed assets on the market,” he said.
On average, it takes about 15 months for a home loan to go from being 30 days late to the property being foreclosed and sold, according to Lender Processing Services Inc., which tracks mortgages.
Assuming the U.S. economy doesn’t worsen, aggravating the foreclosure crisis, Sharga projects it will take lenders through 2013 to resolve the backlog of distressed properties that have on their books right now.
And a new wave of foreclosures could be coming in the second half of the year, especially if the unemployment rate remains high, mortgage-assistance programs fail, and the economy doesn’t improve fast enough to lift home sales.
The prospect of lenders taking over more than a million homes this year is likely to push housing values down, experts say.
Foreclosed homes are typically sold at steep discounts, lowering the value of surrounding properties.
“The downward pressure from foreclosures will persist and prices will be very weak well into 2012,” said Celia Chen, senior director of Moody’s Economy.com.
She projects home prices will fall as much as 6 percent over the next 12 months from where they were in the first-quarter.
Economic woes, such as unemployment or reduced income, continue to be the main catalysts for foreclosures this year. Initially, lax lending standards were the culprit. Now, homeowners with good credit who took out conventional, fixed-rate loans are the fastest growing group of foreclosures.
There are more than 7.3 million home loans in some stage of delinquency, according to Lender Processing Services.
Lenders are offering to help some homeowners modify their loans. But many borrowers can’t qualify or they are falling back into default. The Obama administration’s $75 billion foreclosure prevention effort has made only a small dent in the problem.
More than a third of the 1.2 million borrowers who have enrolled in the mortgage modification program have dropped out. That compares with about 27 percent who have received permanent loan modifications and are making payments on time.
Among states, Nevada posted the highest foreclosure rate in the first half of the year. One in every 17 households there received a foreclosure notice. However, foreclosures there are down 6 percent from a year earlier.
Arizona, Florida, California and Utah were next among states with the highest foreclosure rates. Rounding out the top 10 were Georgia, Michigan, Idaho, Illinois and Colorado.
Buy your next home from Uncle Sam
As a result of rising foreclosures, some Americans will buy their next home from the U.S. government.
By Eric Fox of Investopedia
Americans who are brave enough to buy a home despite persistent predictions of a double dip in housing may want to contact the federal government, as the recession and financial crisis have turned Uncle Sam into one of the largest owners of real estate in the United States.
Rising foreclosures
The housing bust has led to an unprecedented number of foreclosures in the U.S. In May, 322,920 foreclosure notices were filed against homeowners, and more than 3 million homes have been seized over the last five years from delinquent borrowers.
While most homebuyers may assume that banks are the only source of foreclosures, the U.S. government also owns many residential properties because of its role in buying and guaranteeing mortgages. Many of these properties are held because of the conservatorship established in 2008 over the government-sponsored enterprises popularly known as Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.
“…as the recession and financial crisis have turned Uncle Sam into one of the largest owners of real estate in the United States.”
The recession didn’t force Uncle Sam to start guaranteeing mortgages; politicians did it.
Ramping up the number of home loans backed by Uncle Sam’s guarantee served the dual purpose of helping to prop up housing demand at unaffordable prices and rewarding participating lenders by guaranteeing loan principle at unaffordable levels. You see, it’s all about keeping home prices propped up on a permanently high plateau of unaffordability which the market would not otherwise bear.
You are wrong. Politicians did not put us on the hook for all this guarantee business. It was the FED Chairman and the Treasury Secretary. Who said the FED could “BUY” up existing mortgages from Banks? Who said the Treasury could guarantee the debts of GSE’s.
This was done without consent and is an UNCONSTITUIONAL over-reach of the mandates of both parties.
CONgress, however, and that useless EEOC-promoted, self-deluded moron with a good reading voice in the Whitehouse, smiled at the wonderful job they were doing helping to bring about “economic recovery”.
He has a entire team of “yes-MEN” as economic “advisers”. No wonder he is so adverse to ANYONE who would say NO.. to his schemes.
And the only reason they did that was because Wall St. threatened extortion.
The very SOBs who caused this mess.
I liked Blue Sky’s comment from yesterday:
All real estate is Federal.
Nothing in NoVA on these sites either
I call BS!!
I looked at both Fannie and Freddie REO websites, and the cupboards were pretty bare in my target area. One of them showed 5-7 properties, mostly condos. Apparently, the govt.’s REO situation is mirroring the banks and their holdout on releasing properties.(So Ca)
I looked at the Las Vegas area, supposedly one of the hardest hit and there were only about 10? Hmmm……
Please, do you really expect Uncle Sam to get into the retail UHS business? Have you forgotten what happened with the savings and loan crisis and the government agency that was set up to handle all the repos back then? Insiders bought all the good stuff in bulk (at prices way below comps) and then flipped them at a profit. As flips, they were no longer foreclosures. Same thing’s happening now, whether the owner is a bank or Fan or Fred.
Having a brain f@rt, can’t remember the name of that famous agency. Help me out.
RTC
Resolution Trust Company
When you’ve got a printing press as a backstop, there’s no incentive to try and sell houses before the prices go down, including trying to sell them before creatures, rot, vandals, etc. get ahold of the property.
(That goes for banks too, BTW)
That’s the sad thing about this whole mess. We could have gotten out of this mess with better homes for most people, at prices that were at or below norms; if the government had let the free market perform as it should. But instead all that extra effort that was spent building those homes will be wasted as the homes rot with no tenants.
I’ve only found about 2-3 foreclosures on the multiple searches I’ve done yet the number of parcels w/unkept yards and overgrown gardens I’ve noted is far greater. Somehow I don’t think these people are in Europe while their yard service lost their contract.
Fed: Should consider more easing if outlook worsens.
(Reuters) - Federal Reserve officials felt last month they should be ready to consider additional steps to boost the U.S. economy if an already softening outlook took a noticeable turn for the worse.
“As a result of the change in financial conditions, most participants revised down slightly their outlook for economic growth,” minutes of the June 22-23 meeting of the Fed’s policy panel released on Wednesday said.
“The committee would need to consider whether further policy stimulus might become appropriate if the outlook were to worsen appreciably,” they said.
At the same time, the Fed should continue to test ways to withdraw some of the massive amounts of credit it has pumped into the financial system, officials at the central bank agreed.
One trick ponies only know one trick. Get that printing press lubed up and let her go. Do you really need PHDs to do what they do? I would guess the guy on the 2 train that sits in his own feces all day long could do as well or better than Bernanke. It’s not like the job takes any imagination or vision.
When you have a hammer, suddenly everybody around you is wearing a nail-shaped hat.
Even assets not traditionally included in the Fed’s portfolio, such as mortgage backed securities, start to look like nails once that hammer starts swinging fast enough.
When in doubt…stimulate.
Lol, the Fed wants to “consider more easing if the outlook worsens” at the same time they want to “withdraw some of the massive amounts of credit it has pumped into the financial system”.
I love these guys.
Translation: they are making it up as they go along.
More translations:
1) They are signaling they will do mutually contradictory policy actions, so that nobody can possibly guess how they will proceed.
2) They have set the stage for whatever course of action they choose, so nobody will be able to accuse them that their actions are inconsistent with their announcements.
Mostly correct, except the insiders (and their small circle of friends) know exactly what they are going to do.
They want to keep investors off balance. If everyone starts thinking inflation or deflation the jig is up and the boat will capsize as everyone runs to that side of the deck.
President Obama has appointed a national debt commission to report after the November midterm elections on ways that the federal deficits can be brought under control.
“The heads of the panel told the National Governors Association Sunday that everything needs to be considered including curtailing popular tax breaks, such as the home mortgage deduction”.
“The debt is like a cancer,” Democrat Erskine Bowles told the governors. “It is going to destroy the country from within.”
President Obama has appointed a national debt commission to report after the November midterm elections on ways that the federal deficits can be brought under control.
The book is called, “Do Not Buy Things You Cannot Afford”. It’s only one page long.
“Do Not Buy Things You Cannot Afford”
Don’t baffle ‘em with details, just place in BIG BOLD font:
Here’s what your monthly payment will be:
$479,000 = $1,186.00 per month
Yeah, they could save a few bucks by not having to pay the national debt commission as well.
I wonder why the report has to be after the elections? Perhaps getting the dems re-elected is going to require a bit more spending and he wouldn’t want a pesky report to stand in the way.
“The debt is like a cancer,” Democrat Erskine Bowles told the governors. “It is going to destroy the country from within.”
Ah, but if the destruction will happen after Generation Greed is gone, does it matter?
And who will sacrifice if action is taken now to try to overcome Generation Greed’s debts? Everyone? Or just those under age 55?
Again, someone needs to let this clown know our county has already BEEN destroyed.
It was over when we gave Wall St. and big corporations free reign back in the junk bond, offshoring, de-regulation, labor law gutting, shareholder neutering, greed is good 1980s.
It’s all over but the shouting. The fat lady has sung.
JPM earnings better than expected.
How can the results of a rigged game surprise anybody?
Just wondering.
Raise your hand if, like me, you’ve been in a state of “seething” for months now (years really), because you knew this would be the result - nay the goal - of all the financial shenanigans.
These guys are taking America down, for their fat profits.
I went to bed last night saying
Serenity now Serenity now!!
4 hours of sleep.
“… for their fat profits.”
And for their future fire sale asset purchases…
As you might remember I was seething this time 2 years ago. I’ve just been waiting for the crowd to catch up w/me. But now I don’t even care if they do anymore. On the other side of that anger, the emotion is gone and all I care about is my immediate family. They’re on board. I’m just waiting for more info to decide on my next move. Nothing surprises me anymore.
hugs CarrieAnn, hugs for you…
I’ve always wondered how banana republic dictators were so sanguine about looting their country, while they and their cronies got richer and richer.
I’m realizing that this attribute is also common in the US.
ScienceDaily (July 14, 2010) — A new study from the University of Leicester Department of Economics reveals that highly educated people make wrong assumptions about their political leanings — they are more likely to think they are left wing when they are more likely to be relatively conservative. The study suggests that some people may end up voting for left of centre parties because they hold the mistaken belief that they are left wing.
The research by Dr James Rockey, a lecturer in Economics, used data from the World Values Survey and described the opinions and characteristics of 136,000 individuals, in 82 countries, over a period of over 20 years.
“… highly eeducated people make wrong assumptions about their political leanings …”
These people have had their thinking processes educated out of their brains and now depend on the education system to do their thinking for them.
I’m going to say that James has demonstrated once again that you can get any result you want with the right survey questions.
Yep. I’d be willing to bet most of the people who he tagged as ‘mistakenly thinking they are left leaning’ are people who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
Agreed. But Measton is for big government so he/she is certainly not fiscally conservative.
HOT DOGS, PEANUTS, POPCORN, GETCHA FORRECLOSURES HERE! RED HOTS, WE GOTCHA RED HOTS!
“Still, long lines of attorneys signing in, searching for the other party in the case - sometimes by shouting a name - and lingering in the hallway can appear chaotic.”
Glut of foreclosed homes expected to depress prices
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 5:27 a.m. Thursday, July 15, 2010
Hank Fishkind, president of Fishkind & Associates, an Orlando-based financial and real estate consultant firm, likened the foreclosures to a rabbit moving through the digestive system of a snake.
“The lump is carrying through, and now we will get huge volumes of distress sales,” Fishkind said. “Sales will go up but prices will go down.”
Palm Beach County’s median price for a single-family home in May was $235,200, already down $155,800 from May 2006.
“The bank takeovers are painful now,” said Fishkind, whose company has offices in Naples and Port St. Lucie.
Some of that pain is illustrated Monday through Thursday mornings on the 11th floor of the Palm Beach County Courthouse, as attorneys jostle for uniform motion calendar hearings in front of foreclosure Judge Meenu Sasser.
Once held in a smaller fourth-floor courtroom, the housekeeping-type hearings moved to a more spacious area upstairs because of their volume. Still, long lines of attorneys signing in, searching for the other party in the case - sometimes by shouting a name - and lingering in the hallway can appear chaotic.
Yo! Gimme a beer and 2 hots with mustard!
S.C. foreclosures jump; Midlands hardest hit. Jul. 15, 2010
Homeowners in South Carolina are entering foreclosure at a faster rate than last year – and Columbia is faring worst out of all the major metropolitan areas, a new report says.
The number of homes that received a foreclosure notice in S.C. during the first six months of the year jumped 34 percent from the same period in 2009, the report from RealtyTrac says, and nearly every metro area saw an increase.
Foreclosure filings rose 53 percent in the first half of the year, but held steady compared with the second half of 2009.
“I’m shocked. I didn’t think it would be that high,” said longtime Columbia real estate agent Jay Graham.
“This is a sign of the times we’re in.”
The real estate and foreclosure crisis hit South Carolina’s coast much earlier and harder than other metro areas. Investors in places like Myrtle Beach sent home prices skyrocketing during the real estate boom in 2005. But the area saw sharp drop-offs in home sales and prices at least a year earlier than Columbia.
But the problem in the Midlands has prompted real estate companies to start training many of their agents in recent months in how to deal with foreclosure properties. Real estate experts say foreclosure sales are going to be a significant part of the market at least for the next couple of years.
“I’m shocked. I didn’t think it would be that high,” said longtime Columbia real estate agent Jay Graham.
I am shocked that a real estate agent is shocked. They are usually so well in tune with the macro economic environment. This really shakes my faith in the system. If real estate agents don’t understand what is going on in the housing market then clearly nobody can. After all they are “real estate professionals”.
There’s really no reason to think that a RE agent WOULD know much about macroeconomics. No more than you’d expect a car salesman to be able to repair your car, or a stock broker to run a company. They’re all SALESMEN.
If you’re not buyin’ - they’re dyin’.
Think of sales as an implicit level of stealth welfare. Value added? = 0.
Comission worker + no sales = self-unemployed.
Salespeople can provide value added. I very much appreciate when a salesperson is so knowledgeable about the range of products that I can substitute his or her experience for my own research. Doing my own research is often very expensive, especially when I do not have the expertise and it is not worth my time to gain it (such as running shoes/analyzing gait, bike fitment).
Of course, one has to be able to discern when salespeople are just pushing a convenient product and when they are truly doing analysis to choose the best product for *you.* This may be difficult when the stakes are high.
Q: How can you tell when a salesman (or saleswoman) is lying?
A: Their lips are moving.
CCC absouloutely. Even in a place like Best Buy, where the norm is “never mind, I can read the box just as well as you can,” you do sometimes find useful sales people. I distinctly remember a guy in the digital camera department when I was buying a camera for my parents. He got a crowd around as he would patiently answer questions from buyers in turn. Really I think that many of us were learning enough from his answers to other peoples questions that simply standing around listening was worthwhile.
And the buying and selling process in RE is complicated enough that an RE agent can definitly be worthwhile. Now I’m not sure that it’s worth 4%, especially for expensive propeerties.
I dunno fellas, on small things like tech stuff - I prefer the approach of watching the experiences friends and coworkers. Let them buy first and learn from their mistakes. Internet research helps too.
As for houses, I’ve yet to meet an agent that knows my target neighborhoods as well as I do - or knows construction methods and materials (my grandfather was a small time hopebuilder). BTW, hiring a good RE lawyer is a much better value than paying a commission.
Oh, and what if I should find myself moving to a new area? - why I would RENT - and learn the the lay of the land firsthand before buying.
edgewaterjohn
I agree with you. I’m licensed in Ca (I could sit for my Brokers exam)and we are using a R E Lawyer. The fiduciary relationship is real.
It is rare but there are some good sales people I have come across in my life.
My most recent was at Nordstoms. I seldom buy new shoes for work, I have two pairs and they last a year at least so I don’t mind spending money on quality shoes.
I go to Nordies, I tell the saleswoman, I want a bicycle toe, brown leather, with laces, pretty easy. She shows me a few, all had one flaw or another, slip on, or square toe, or wrong shade of brown, I could tell she was getting frustrated. Finally she showed me some Mark Ecco’s that were perfect except they didn’t have laces. I said sorry, I need laces, she says no luck try another store. Her co-worker heard this, said you know Ecco has some shoes we don’t stock that i can order for you no extra charge, delivered right to your door. In fact, they have that model you want with laces in that color. Also, since you seem to wear your shoes a long time, I would suggest this here wooden shoe tree thingamajig, it will keep them looking new longer.
That guy not only stole the comission from the woman, he also upsold me on a shoe tree, and I’m NEVER upsold on anything, it was quite a feat. Shoes arrived, looked great and they have looked new much longer than any other shes I’ve owned.
I will always go back to that salesman when I need a knowledgeable shoe salesmen, not just someone collecting a paycheck who wants the customer to do all the work.
A good salesperson is worth their weight in gold. But most salespeople are either just picking up a check, or think you owe them living or “gung ho” annoying twits.
And because they are, the good ones are either ignored by management or treated as just another one of the above by customers.
Then again, a lot of custoemrs want a whole lot of something for nothing as well.
The problem is that I can never really believe a salesperson. It is highly likely the product they are pushing is not necessarily the best product for me, but the one with the highest value to the salesperson or the organization. I’ve seen this scenario many, many times. So, my solution is to research the issue, then use the salesperson for minimal information, like “Is this in stock”, etc.
In any transaction, it is imperative that the buyer know how the other parties are being paid. Not knowing that has led to all manner of mischief. Not suggesting that buyers are saints, but salespeople have a clearly defined job - maximize value for themselves and the company, in order to feed themselves and their family, and keep their jobs - and that is frequently not consistent with the buyer attempting to get the best product for himself.
Comission worker + no sales = self-unemployed.
+1
I hadn’t looked at the hometown listings in a while. Now that the tax credit is done prices are once again getting hammered. I would say that my hometown once again knows “affordable” housing. I think it will go down lower but it makes me feel better that one area seems to have the common sense to let prices drop to where they should be.
If the economy free falls all bets are off. For now real families can buy real houses. I can’t say that about this area. They are still mainlining the REIC powder in Jersey and NYC.
I thin that for the most part, the end of the tax credit won’t have much effect on prices until late Aug or Sep. Really, it’s only when the selling season is ENDING that self delusional listers* realize that they can either lower their price or wait another year.
*’cause they’re not really sellers until they find a willing buyer.
I have a co-worker that has been in the market to buy since late May or early June. You can imagine how supportive I’ve been. The price drops following the end of the tax credit happened with lightning speed. It was amazing to see how quickly people were lowering their prices.
My old house has gone from 349, to 339, to 325, to 309 since circa February. Went to 309 about 2 weeks ago. I sold 6/07 for 325. NE Mass.
I got a brochure from one of the real estate places in the mail yesterday. My favorite was the huge house for sale or rent. Offered for sale at around $3.1 million. Asking rent was $8,900 a month. I get a multiple of about 350 for that. Any takers?
Pension Funds Flexing Some Muscle on Foreclosures
Today, the Comptroller of the City of New York along with the presidents of several large unions sent a letter to some of the biggest banks in the foreclosure mess and told those banks to get their acts together and start making mortgage modifications.
In a press conference in lower Manhattan, Comptroller John Liu, Michael Mulgrew, President, UFT, George Gresham, President, 1199 SEIU, John Samuelsen, President, TWU Local 100, and New York Communities for Change announced a letter sent to Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Wells Fargo demanding that the banks do “everything possible” to avert foreclosures.
The heft and power of these entities as depositors and investors is such that they expect the banks to sit up and take notice. The banks have a deadline of September 1st or 45 days to respond with a plan.
While the City and the pension funds have not outright threatened to take their business elsewhere if the banks don’t start doing modifications, the implication is clear.
Further, this public action could inspire other municipalities and large pension funds to follow suit.
Great. Unions throwing their weight around at banks that have been throwing their weight around.
We can only hope they crack together so hard they both die from the resulting injuries.
Now this is my kind of “divide and conquer!”
DOD needs moolah fast, or they won’t be able to pay the troops! 33bn, or the well will run dry.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66D5DD20100714?type=politicsNews
Well CONgress just “deemed” the next federal budget to have passed. Can’t DOD just “deem” the troops to have been paid?
I’ll bet “No-bid” Haliburton isn’t worried about getting paid their billions.
The stimulus met expectations… HURRAY!
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White House: Stimulus funded 3 million jobs
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Despite groans from Republicans about high unemployment and the growing national deficit, President Obama’s administration continues to say the $787 billion stimulus is working.
In its latest stimulus report released Wednesday, the White House’s Council of Economic Advisers said the Recovery Act has already saved or created about 3 million jobs.
But the administration’s figures are highly criticized by some economists and Republicans in Congress who point out it’s derived from mathematical formulas, not an actual headcount of people who’ve received jobs funded by stimulus money.
She said the actual number of jobs created by stimulus is likely much lower than the Administration reports.
“The administration’s new stimulus jobs ’saved and created’ claim lacks a basis in reality,” said Oversight and Government Reform Committee Ranking Member Darrell Issa, R-Calif., who also pointed to the unemployment rate, which currently stands at 9.5%.
In January 2009, Romer predicted that the stimulus, if passed, would keep the unemployment rate around 7% at the end of 2010
Baghdad Bob - the Sequel
Lol, if I were running an advertising agency I’d track down Baghdad Bob and offer him a job as a product spokesman.
A household name is a terrible thing to waste.
Yes! The Economy’s enemies will lie in the desert with their intestines BURNING!
Somewhere between coffee and the shower, you have to realize that, the only mistake the President made was not being more upfront about just how DIRE the situation truly was.
‘I’ would have said: “My fellow Americans, we’re in a world of hurt. There’s NO assurance any amount of license you extend to me will keep our already overleveraged economy from sliding into the abyss”.
Somewhere between coffee and the shower, you have to realize that, the only mistake the President made was not being more upfront about just how DIRE the situation truly was.
Agreed. And, if you watched the Change.gov website that went live right after he was elected, you could tell that he was having some major “Oh, sh-t!” moments. This was especially obvious during the weekly address videos.
Hmm, at ~ $250,000 per person over 2 years is~$125,000/yr per job, does not sound to good.
Somewhere between coffee and the shower, you have to realize that, the only mistake the President made was not being more upfront about just how DIRE the situation truly was.
The problem with economic guidance mistakes is - usually you don’t know for at least 5 years, and sometimes as much as 50 or 100 or so, whether or not the policy moves you made were a mistake or not.
The seeds sown by disaster capitalism can take a long time to germinate.
…you could tell that he was having some major “Oh, sh-t!” moments.
I saw that too. The only saving grace was I already knew how bad it was.
Obama wasn’t exactly smiley-happy on Election Night. Check out this set from the campaign[’s official photographer.
President Carter already tried that, with his malaise speech. That fellow tried to be upfront with people and was eaten alive. Reagan came in, Volcker raised interest rates and crushed inflation, but then Reagan, in collusion with Congress, went on a borrowing and spending binge, the crest of which we are seeing today.
A society cannot be both ignorant and free. It’s that simple. The basic lesson is that politicians - leaders - must always pretend to be cheery and that good times are just around the corner. Otherwise they will be eaten alive. It’s the majority of the population that demands this.
Think of this - a politicians stating doom and gloom is challenged by a politician promising good times around the corner, a Buick in every driveway and a goose in every pot. The latter will win every time, even if he’s got no plan.
“Baghdad Bob - the Sequel”
I wish Barry would round him up and put him to work . Bob was far more entertaining than the cast of constipated clowns Barry has at present.
No matter what happens after a policy measure is passed, politicians can always claim without challenge that, had their measure not been adopted, things would have been so much worse.
“things would have been so much worse”
LOL, yeah stuporvisors lean on that one too? I don’t know, have we ever discussed what ‘might’ have happened had none of the Stimulus Wreckovery $’s been printed? Just curious…
I think the Obama bashers need to be honest. Without the bailouts and stimulus, there would have been a far greater economic collapse, and we would be far worse off right now.
And everyone else needs to be honest. In the long run most Americans and all future Americans would have been better off had there been a collapse.
WT,
No doubt, my point was The President probably now realizes that he’d have gotten ample printing ink ‘without’ overstating the potential employment benefits of the Stimulus. And I’ll bet he’s regrettin’ that.
I’d have said, “I have no way to assure that we can save, create or stimulate one-single-JOB! But without this ( I can assure… you, NO ONE’S job is safe! )
‘That’ is what ‘I’ would have said.
I would be just the same without the suck-ass stimulus. Honest.
“In the long run most Americans and all future Americans would have been better off had there been a collapse.”
Well, Germany’s doing better than they were in the 30s, but anybody who lived through the 40s (or up until the 80s if you were in East Germany) can probably think of a better way to get there.
I have an accountant who was born in Germany just before WWII. Her war memories? Spending four years in bomb shelters. Not the sort of thing she’d wish on anyone.
However, she takes great pride in how Germany rebuilt after the war. That ole German penchant for hard work coming to the fore.
PS: Don’t get her started on the lack of work ethic that she often sees here. Just don’t.
You sayin’ you don’t like my grill or my whip OR my tats?! You dissin’ me? I’m gonna cap yo a$$ just as soon as pull my pants up!
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Avg unemployment check is $310 per week.
$310/40 hours = $7.75 per hour… so, why would anyone try to get a minimum wage position when you can get the same amount of money by sitting in your sofa?
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Editorial: Unemployed, not lazy
Tom Corbett should see all the jobless people not sitting at home.
In April, the SugarHouse Casino held an informational job fair. At least 8,000 people showed up for 800 jobs. They began arriving at 6 a.m. By noon, the line stretched two blocks.
It’s not just casinos attracting 10 times as many job applicants as positions available. When Wegmans opened a new grocery near Collegeville last October, about 6,000 people applied for 550 jobs
Yet Attorney General Corbett, the Republican nominee for governor, says some unemployed people aren’t working because they don’t want to give up jobless benefits. “The jobs are there,” he said. “But if we keep extending unemployment, people are going to sit there.” He apologized Tuesday for a poor choice of words.
The average unemployment check in Pennsylvania is $310 per week. When pressed to name companies hurt by this unfair competition, Corbett couldn’t cite any.
That’s the beauty of an ideological anecdote - the fewer facts, the better. But Corbett’s clueless and inept comments serve a useful purpose. They’re another reminder that the recession hasn’t ended for many people, and that government needs to do more to help families get through these prolonged harsh economic times.
“poor choice of words” Ya’ think?
We touched on this earlier and even if it were roughly equal to unemployment most of us ‘would’ elect to work ( if only to get away from the TV and the unending bad news! )
Not us because most of the people around here are above average. Many college grads and professionals. However, there are many other people who make minimum wage out there…
Have you been in a hiring position before? I have and alot of people will say they want to work, however when really pushed they do not want to. I have some friends, nice people, however one of them said, there is no sense getting a job, I can get UE and maybe not make as much but I don’t have to do anything.
Also, if seeking better employment, you are more favorably looked upon if you are currently working, even if it is somthing you don’t like.
“I have some friends, nice people, however one of them said, there is no sense getting a job, I can get UE and maybe not make as much but I don’t have to do anything.”
I have heard a lot of laid-off-in-the-Spring women, this year and in past years, who simply won’t for a job until Fall, so they can spend the summer with their kids/grandkids. Sending one or two half-hearted resumes a week is enough to satisfy the employment office but is statistically unlikely to get them a job.
Its hard to blame them, since it quite often makes economic sense for their family. However, my well of sympathy is usually dry by the time the same people start crying that 99 weeks of unemployment isn’t enough.
….you are more favorably looked upon if you are currently working, even if it is somthing you don’t like.
I dunno.
In the IT world, being unemployed (maybe picking up occasional contracting gigs?) seems to be looked upon more favorably than sweepin’ out the Taco Bell to make ends meet.
I’ve often encountered the mindset - “If you can’t at least find some temporary work in your field, you might not be all that good.”
I’ve often encountered the mindset - “If you can’t at least find some temporary work in your field, you might not be all that good.”
That’s very true in the design world. Where, these days, you’re pretty much going to be a freelancer, like it or not.
Yet Attorney General Corbett, the Republican nominee for governor, says some unemployed people aren’t working because they don’t want to give up jobless benefits. “The jobs are there,” he said.
The jobs are there? LOL! Either he’s clueless or heartless (probably both).
I know a guy who’s was a pilot with DHL for quite a few years. He was laid off 14 months ago and hasn’t been able to find a “real job”. He’s still collecting UE, which maxes out short of $500/week out here and has a 500K nest egg they been slowly burning through to pay the mortgage and daughter’s college bills. His wife went out and got a job (menial pay).
He’s starting to get worried that he won’t be called back to DHL as the double dip is looming large. I believe he was getting a nice 6 figure paycheck at DHL and it’s becoming painfully obvious that it won’t be replaced as the only piloting gigs he’s found are with smaller airlines and pay starts at around 40K. He may have no other choice than to accept one, not that its a given he can land one as there is plenty of competition.
In Colorado,
Thanks for “recognizin’ “. A good many posters here don’t seem to be able to grasp that the “Burn Rate” for hermit/single ppl living under a shared arrangement is tad different than those of us that foolishly insisted their kids actually go to college?
Oh and obligated themselves to a mortgage -before- there was a Boom ( let alone a Bust? ) If only your friend hadn’t shot so high to begin with, the fall would have been a lot easier to handle.
Some people here just don’t “get” that a 25K income is not a viable replacement for a lost 125K income.
And even if he took a $10/hr job at WalMart or Target it would most likely be a P/T job and not even replace the UE income.
In Colorado,
It’s not even a viable ‘replacement’ for a $40k income. Again, always amazed. Oh well, nothing a little retro-active advice/arm chairing couldn’t fix?
Rent, long gold/short mkt, get vasectomy… check!
Rent, long gold/short mkt, get vasectomy…
Check….check…..crap, brb…..
Hey Colorado,
Is your DHL friend in SW Ohio by any chance? If so, tell him Eaton is hiring in Cleveland. I have a few friends who work there and enjoy it for the most part.
When DHL does call him back, he should expect a 5 figure salary.
$310 may be the average, but it is my understanding that you get approximately half of what your weekly salary was up to a fairly low maximum amount. So people who actually made $7 an hour in their last job, will only be getting $3.50 x 40 or $140 a week on unemployment. The folks getting that $310 average per week were making $15.50 an hour if you assume a 40 hour week. Not surprising that they are looking for jobs that pay closer to their old salary. Not that they will necessarily find those jobs, but the fact that they aren’t grabbing at near mimimum wage jobs is not surprising.
Mr. Corbett seems to have done a fair amount of reading in the “How to Lie with Statistics” section of his local library.
How much house will that buy?
A closet door.
Foreclosure Update: Three More Years Of Pain For Housing
1 million households are on track to lose their homes this year as the nation continues to dig out of the decade’s real estate boom and bust. RealtyTrac reported that while month-over-month and year-over-year foreclosure fillings are decreasing, the nation is on pace to set a record in foreclosure filings (including default notices, auction sales and bank repossessions) this year at 3.2 million. Last year, lenders foreclosed on more than 900,000 homes and the historic average is 100,000 annually.
In the first half of the year, lenders repossessed nearly 528,000 homes and about 1.7 million homeowners got a foreclosure-related warning — that represents one in 78 American homes. The numbers are startling, but this process is necessary after the massive housing and credit booms. As is the case with manias, the aftermath is messy and painful.
Unfortunately, due to the lengthy process involved in unwinding a bad home investment (versus, say a bad internet stock that takes 5 seconds to sell) the hangover period will persist for some time. RealtyTrac CEO James J. Saccacio said that while the foreclosure problem appears to be improving, we shouldn’t be too confident, because “a massive number of distressed properties and underwater loans continues to sit just below the surface, threatening the fragile stability of the housing market.”
Housing experts believe that it will take three more years to clear out the overhang of housing. There’s a certain symmetry to that notion. From the years between 2000-2006, housing prices nationally doubled and it will likely take the seven years between 2007-2013 to rectify that aberration.
Luckily the ARM reset/recast chart has already peaked.
Oh, wait… never mind.
“…ARM reset has peaked…”
Is it 2013 already and nobody woke me up?
Speaking of a single-wide on 10 acres in ANZA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZpg8No8cUw
Too funny! ( Where is that in relation to the Barker Ranch? )
Slab City? Nicely done, I’d say.
Awesome dude! this rockets to my #1 video, (those brothers look like Randi & Dandi that I mentioned last week…) Who’s the band?
Maybe Anza will join with “The O.C.” and vote for enforcement, so that Mary Meth can get a daycare job watching the little ones and her boyfriend Billy 30-06 can get a job picking peaches!
“RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA – Council members formally declared their support for Arizona’s anti-illegal immigration law by adopting a resolution Wednesday night that expresses the city’s support for SB 1070.
just me… 8 track recorder in the garage. Funny the different reactions … i find positive people say positive things and……ecofeco…
Seriously? That was lame.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Pentagon said on Wednesday it may be forced to take extreme measures — like not paying salaries - - if Congress fails to pass a $37 billion defense spending bill before lawmakers begin an August recess.
A senior Democratic aide said lawmakers would find a way to get it done. “We will pass it this work period. We have to,” the aide said.
A senior Democratic aide said lawmakers would find a way to get it done. “We will pass it this work period. We have to,” the aide said.
Like our congress would ever find a way not to spend money. Yeah, right. Just keep spending. Nobody is ever going to pay it back, anyhow.
Bwahahahahahaha. The most powerful man in the US right now is General Petraeus. Whatever Davy wants, Davy gets, or he’ll resign his commission and run for Pres.
Ohhhh, a Petraeus/Condi Rice ticket. Be still my beating heart.
Is Condi a “chicken in every pot” Republican?
Condi is no lesbian..I think she and bush jr. had the hots for each other for a long time…
I think she and bush jr. had the hots for each other for a long time…
Or, as my one of my very prim and proper elderly neighbors likes to put it, there was some hanky-panky going on.
Remember when she accidentally referred to Bush as her husband? Freudian slip, I say.
Well if you are going to cheat..at least aim high….and not the maid or Intern…..oops
Shrub / Condi / Coulter
I’d donate my 6-pack of Billy Beer & My Happy Camper t-shirt to see those three get naked with a bag of pretzels.
Nahhhh we would wanna see Hwy50 with condi and coulter…talk about culture shock…..
It’s a not so well kept secret amongst the Stanford faculty that Condi is a member of the carpet club.
“…It’s a not so well kept secret amongst the Stanford faculty that Condi is a member of the carpet club.”
If CONdi decided on a sex change, would the our Gov’t pay for it?
Worthless housing….. worthless worthless housing. Worth less and less with each passing day.
Yup, but tell it to the listers still sticking to their 2006 wishing prices.
BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)
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Ho ho, hah hah, hehehehehehe, BwaHaHaAhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower™)
Is a city manager worth $800,000?:
By Jeff Gottlieb and Ruben Vives, Los Angeles Times / July 15, 2010
In addition to the $787,637 salary of Chief Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo, Bell pays Police Chief Randy Adams $457,000 a year, about 50% more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck or Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca and more than double New York City’s police commissioner. Assistant City Manager Angela Spaccia makes $376,288 annually, more than most city managers.
Top officials have routinely received hefty annual raises in recent years. Rizzo’s contract calls for 12% raises each July, the same as his top deputy, according to documents obtained under the California Public Records Act.
Rizzo, who has run Bell’s day-to-day civic affairs since 1993, was unapologetic about his salary.
“If that’s a number people choke on, maybe I’m in the wrong business,” he said. “I could go into private business and make that money. This council has compensated me for the job I’ve done.”
Spaccia agreed, adding: “I would have to argue you get what you pay for.”
The district attorney is investigating Bell over the hefty compensation of its City Council members — about $100,000 a year for part-time positions. Normally, council members in a city the size of Bell would be paid about $400 a month, Demerjian said.
The council has increased its compensation by paying members for serving on a variety of city agencies, including the Community Redevelopment Agency, the Community Housing Authority, the Planning Commission, the Public Financing Authority, the Surplus Property Authority and the Solid Waste and Recycling Authority.
Demerjian said city records show each council member receives $7,873.25 per month for sitting on those boards
Records indicate that the boards of those agencies perform little work and that board meetings take place during council meetings, though the names of some of the agencies seldom appear.
Bell, CA: population: 36,664
“Located about 10 miles southeast of downtown Los Angeles, Bell has a population that is about 90% Latino and 53% foreign-born. Its per capita income is about half that for the U.S.”
“If that’s a number people choke on, maybe I’m in the wrong business,” he said. “I could go into private business and make that money. This council has compensated me for the job I’ve done.”
I urge the gentleman to quit immediately and find private employment that will pay him exactly what he is worth. Public service is a priviledge, ya jerk. He is most assuredly in the wrong business.
The question is NOT “Can he make the same money elsewhere?” (I suspect not) The question is “Can they get somebody as (or nearly as) effective for less?” And I’m pretty DARN sure that the answer to that question is a resounding yes.
Move over Dustin Hoffman, we have a NEW “Rizzo the Rat”!
What a scumbag. I TOLD you people, this is what happens in these little off the radar towns where they think no one is watching! Even if they canned him yesterday ( which ain’t happening ) there’s no WAY they’ll ever recover the lost services and value that’s gone into feathering his nest.
Ever.
We need a law where any public employee has to wear a tag with their salary and title. Any time they are mentioned in print, on TV, etc, they have their salaries displayed.
I think the taxpayers should know exactly how much these people are being paid.
sfbb for the most part the pay of public employees IS part of the public record, but nobody pays any attention.
That’s why I want it rubbed in the public’s face.
There is NO government employee worth 500K.
None.
Don’t like? The GO into private business. We dare you.
“…There is NO government employee worth 500K.”
I’ll be more specific:
There’s is no small American city employee worth more than $125,000,… I’ll even throw in a city supplied 4-door “mini-me” with free car washes!
This story is front and center in today’s print edition of the LA Times. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Hi y’all update from the beatiful Oregon Coast where I have a part time tutoring gig thanks to a troubled teen whom the district owes hours of instruction and I am the only one who seems to be willing to even try to work with this particular speciman. Trying to pay the bills, even thought this gig is keeping me from my wife who works part time in Central Oregon.
Our health insurance premiums have suddenly increased, to $1600 per quarter for wife and two kids. Mine is $1000 per quarter.
This means premiums are $10,000/year, but the insurance does not kick in until we meet our deductible($1000 per head).
My medication, for pain, heavily advertised for the pain condition that my doctor has prescribed me, although we carry 50% medication coverage, is not covered. That runs $2500/year.
So our insurance/meds/doctor bill will be over 15k this year. I make about 15k as a substitute teacher, hard to work with chronic pain but I do, albeit 3.5 hours this summer and about 20 hours per week in the school year, livin in a trailer away from family, but hey, at least my deployment is not overseas!
My summer job consists of tutoring. Seems a 15 year old kid got himself locked up for being involved in a small murder, but his friend pulled the trigger. My student has been arrested several times
His father has been released from 14 years in the mexican pokey for shooting at border patrol. He calls him about every three months and my student wants to go live with him. His mother has an abusive stepfather boyfriend who has also threatened her. My tutoring student also threatened to take a gun to school and shoot his teacher, a guy I know. He buys laced marijauna from Victor and steals cigarettes from his mother, who always is working.
The workers at the camp where I am working are deadheads. They have section 8 housing, 4 kids on Oregon health plan, food stamps, and also have all meals provided from the center under federally funded meals program. All they need from their jobs is money for weed. And I am in a relatively safe area on the Oregon coast.
Just some “minor” gang stuff that gets worse as you get closer to the 5 corridor. But the guys from the opposing town dont like the local guys, so there is the occasional murder.
We don’t qualify for any assistance, don’t want it, but dont make enough money to pay for stuff even though my wife and I are working and have a paid off house. Although we have another in my wife’s name that we can no longer afford to pay the mortgage.
So I guess its a strategic default, because we keep paying the health care premiums. If we drop our coverage, we may be eligible for state health care, prerequisite is that you do not have coverage to get it.
But I have a beautiful family, who are standout students, socially adept, and yesterday I saw a momma bear and one of her two cubs. Other cub was behind me, but mom decided to run when she saw me. Ahansen may testify that dropping health care would be a bear. Surfing is a fun pastime, we are taking the students at the kids club/afterschool program/ summer daycamp to the beach on Friday, although I can surf every day, I love acting as a surf instructor and stoking the little ones out who are needy foster kids,
My tutor guy has on of the most intact families, cuz he knows where his dad is (AZ) free from prison and caring grammas, one in the hospital, one an alcoholic with narcolepsy who smokes. She likes to get behind the wheel when she can cajole the keys. The carpet in their home is covered with cigarette burns from when granny falls asleep with a smoke. Kids have fun on their own time playing hot potato with gas soaked tennis balls lit on fire. Oh, grammy in hospital needs operation, with a tumor on her heart.
But I am just belly achin, never felt financially poor, but with my wife and I both working, albeit under employed, we dont have enough money for life expenses. gotta get real poor before we look for government handouts, but someday it may happen?
I would like a stable job with group insurance, that would be helpful.
But their are plenty of applicants for each job so it will take time although I am papering Oregon with applications and I do get the occasional interview.
Subbing and surfing will have to suffice, thinking about trying to tutor home-school kids with parents shaky on higher math/composition/spanish classes. Yeah thats the ticket??
“His father has been released from 14 years in the mexican pokey for shooting at border patrol. He calls him about every three months and my student wants to go live with him.”
Well, I’m glad you’ve got a gig, but if this kid wants to live with his dad, I say let him go.
The school district should pay for transportation to his dad. One-way.
mikeinbend,
Have you at least ‘looked’ into LifeWise of Oregon? Given what you’ve described, just about ‘anything’ would be an improvement.
Although it’s pound fer’ pound about the same policy, we’re thinking about changing over to TriCare just to get away from the PPO ‘go-round?
Your boy may be BS’n you ( NO ONE survives 14 years in Mex. prison )
So I guess its a strategic default, because we keep paying the health care premiums. If we drop our coverage, we may be eligible for state health care, prerequisite is that you do not have coverage to get it.
And that, fellow HBB-ers, is how this country will have a public option. People won’t be able to afford private coverage, so they’ll drop it. More than a few will let their congress critters know about this decision. Being what they are, the politicians will have to DO something.
Add this to the growing number of small businesses that can no longer afford coverage, people who can’t afford COBRA after they lose their jobs, and the growing number of health problems associated with the Gulf oil spill, and we have a real tsunami of trouble heading toward our private insurance-based system.
IMHO, this system will collapse.
When I moved from a small city to a smaller city my account was transferred to an insurance man who works primarily as a group plan specialist with businesses. He tells me that every year some of his business clients drop their group coverage.
This tells me that since the pool of covered workers is getting smaller, most of the people in the remaining pool are having to pay more for less coverage.
I wonder where this going. Will we have medical coverage for members of congress, seniors, illegals, the filfy wealfy, but zero (or no credible) coverage for the working little people? If this is true, then there will have to be massive layoffs in medicine to reflect this decrease in business.
I never thought this would ever happen, but earlier this year one of the larger hospitals in Louisville, Ky announced layoffs.
TCM_guy,
Yeah, don’t worry, congress, seniors, illegals & the filthy-flithy will be well covered, don’t you worry! ( But of course the “working little people” will get to pay for it… )
THRIVE or SURVIVE that is the question?
roger,
There’s always FLEE?
Your right. That’s better than getting FLEECED!
IMHO, this system will collapse.
Within 10 years I believe. 10 more years of 20-30% annual premium increases will do the trick. The cost of the average family policy will approach or even exceed exceed the median household income. Even if the increases are only 20% each year the net increase over 10 years would be 600%, 1300% if its 30% per year.
I haven’t been able to afford medical insurance for 10 years.
Yes, it’s scary.
Quit yer yappin mike do the right thing Get DIVORCED….then you will qualify.
My GF parents did that so he could get medicaid for his Alzheimers…
It amazing how the repubs overlook the positive benefits our country gives to the people who shack up.
We don’t qualify for any assistance,
“So our insurance/meds/doctor bill will be over 15k this year. I make about 15k as a substitute teacher, hard to work with chronic pain but I do”
But don’t we have the “best health-care system in the world?”…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q7XH8lfGMc
Hey, where have you been Rio….?
Wow mikeinbend, that story puts my faith back in humanity… NOT!
Arizona heads to court with a 1.2 million dollar war chest, money flowing in from donors all over the country.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0715/Arizona-immigration-law-heads-to-court-with-1.2-million-war-chest
You go, Arizona! A state that deserves to survive, after all, it’s given us Ben Jones and this blog.
You go, Arizona! A state that deserves to survive, after all, it’s given us Ben Jones and this blog.
It’s going to be over 100 degrees here in Tucson. And the humidity’s over 50%. Ran my cooler all night and it’s not that cool in here.
But the above statement made my day. Thanks, palmetto.
It amazes me that a gov facing massive unemployment hasn’t clamped down on immigration and that those legal immigrants aren’t supporting it seeing as the new immigrants will likely be taking jobs.
It isn’t even a matter of illegal immigration, it’s a matter of all immigration at this time. We need a complete moratorium on all immigration, until the economy improves and the current mess is straightened out.
What most concerns me, aside from elevated gang, crime and poverty levels, is the environmental and economic impacts. The immigrants from south of the border, especially, are prodigious reproducers, although they’re not the only ones, and automatic birthright citizenship is incompatible with a welfare state. It would be a horror to see the US go the way of China and India and even Brazil in population, but it seems that’s where we’re headed.
And then there’s the assimilation question. Having an unassimilated stew of disparate cultural and ethnic groups within the same borders isn’t a good idea, how’s that worked out for the Middle East? It’s just natural that these groups will seek domination one way or the other. Some of these cultures are particularly hard on women, I want to see my little niece grow up with the hard won freedoms that women have in this country. I don’t want to see a twisted justice system give some sort of credence to Sharia law, for example, under the guise of “freedom of religion”. I don’t want to see women just sort of disappear, like they do in Mexico.
palmetto,
One of the things that’s concerned me is that.., in ways, we’re now in a situation where one particular group has practically “blocked out the sun” for virtually any ‘other’ group.
My wife has a Filipina friend that started a tiny ethnic store. Pinoy movies, coconut flavored soft drinks and ample amounts of rice!
Within short order she was in REAL financial trouble. My wife would ask what she thought the problem was but when I’d sit outside in the car.., it was all too obvious. That entire area of Salem, OR has become like 75% hispanic. As a community, the Filipinos ( whom uh… we fought side-by-side in WW II with and have much shared history ) have basically ceased to exist!
The Fil-Am “community” isn’t even a rounding error when compared to other groups. Truth is, many have gone home, no longer practicing medicine here and… are for the most part ( much happier ) I mean, that aside, try to start a cricket league.. or..
Oh! By the way, the reason I even mention that is for -years- all I heard about from young G.I’s was that “The damned Filipinos are “taking over” San Diego!” ( or… whichever port town? )
Other than a handful of neighborhoods in NJ and maybe Chicago/Atlanta, they’ve become more or less “invisible”. And it’s not even a matter whether you have a number of them as friend, co-workers etc. I’m simply using them as a control group ( i.e it’s tough for them to ‘walk’ here? ) and they’re forced to observe legal channels, for the ‘most’ part.
Miss ‘em yet?
it amazed me after sept 11th that the gov didn’t launch a massive crack down on illegal immigration.
Makes me suspect it was an “inside job”.
‘Makes me suspect it was an “inside job”.
What other conclusion can you come to? 911 happens and the floodgates are open to every lowlife scum who wants to enter America (and I include all ranges of income in that assessment) while decent people are bent over for the lowlifes. Depraved do-gooders bring in all sorts of resentful refugees and settle them in formerly pleasant communities, unleashing them on an unarmed populace. Potential terrorists are allowed to come and go.
It’s folks who sneer about tin-foil hats who don’t have the balls to confront what’s happening that, have the real mental problems.
Yeah, that’s right, tin foil hatters. You tell me why every goddanged record belonging to BHO is locked up tighter than a tick, forget about birth certificates. I’d like to see the genius’s college transcripts, thesis, work records, bar exam, etc.
I must be dense.
911 - refugees - BHO.
Yesterday someone rec. “BorderlandBeat” and I’ve got to tell you, it’s NOT for the faint of heart. If you’re in the slightest bit squeamish, pass!
If you want to begin to understand what’s going on down there, procede at your own risk. Warning!: Graphic.
Hey, lets make this a team effort:
Team A: “find…anyone who looks like an illegal”
Team B: “find…anyone who drives an SUV into the Home Despot parking lot alone but then leaves with +1 or more “helpers” or anyone who leaves a 10,000 acre CA agricultural farm in a Ford F650 Diesel pickup
I wanna be on team B
I suspect they’ll be lot’s of job openings for U-haul/mover helpers
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Too complex.
Instead, do the same thing that was done to fill Gitmo.
Offer a bounty.
Problem solved.
*you’re welcome*
I liked James’ idea to mine the border.
Not really, though. Too iffy. For the money we’ve spent on useless wars and foreign (cough) aid, we could have built a modern Great Wall of China along the border, complete with gun turrets, etc. Three times over.
Here in Tucson, an anti-SB 1070 business group was just formed. I told you about the kickoff rally I encountered while bicycling to the food co-op last week.
Well, it seems that one of the members actually read the law. And he’s dropping out of the group. Read all about it in our daily fishwrap:
Business owner defects from anti-SB 1070 campaign
BTW, this place makes some tasty pizza. And they host cool events in their parking lot.
As I’ve said, I read the law in its entirety and if there were any civil rights violations I would be the first to scream about it.
But there isn’t. It’s pretty damn clear cut. In fact, it has to be one of the easiest to understand laws I’ve ever seen.
I’ve read it too. Pretty reasonable stuff in that law.
And, if anyone else would like to take a look at SB 1070, here’s the PDF version from the Arizona Legislature.
“…I do not believe that businesses should get involved in politics.”
I would like to see the ingredients that he uses for his pizza’s that generate his profits.
READ ALL ABOOOOOUUUUUUUUT IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!
http://tinyurl.com/i-fluked-the-taxpayers
“Retired FDNY Lt. John McLaughlin has literally run off with a fat, tax-exempted disability pension — despite being known as “Iron Man” in the Long Island hometown where he regularly trains and competes as a triathlete, The Post has learned…”
Finally got around to reading the latest from Joe Bageant. I never agree with everything he says, but he always brings up some good points. Sounds like he’s been reading a lot of HBB and CFN lately.
This is passing for salesmanship today. The kid doing the selling looks to be 25 or so. The home’s highest and best use is that of chicken coop. A $5000 box at most.
http://gallery.me.com/tylershouse#100031
Since the Senate bill passed, I have had a number of conversations with key members of the administration, Senate leadership and the conference committee that drafted the final bill. Unfortunately, not once has anyone suggested in those conversations the possibility of strengthening the bill to address my concerns and win my support. People want my vote, but they want it for a bill that, while including some positive provisions, has Wall Street’s fingerprints all over it.
In fact, reports indicate that the administration and conference leaders have gone to significant lengths to avoid making the bill stronger. Rather than discussing with me ways to strengthen the bill, for example, they chose to eliminate a levy that was to be imposed on the largest banks and hedge funds in order to obtain the vote of members who prefer a weaker bill. Nothing could be more revealing of the true position of those who are crafting this legislation. They had a choice between pursuing a weaker bill or a stronger one. Their decision is clear.
On this bill, like the others that preceded it, the biggest financial interests have won.
RF
I’ve seen this too many times before. When I was in the Wisconsin State Senate, I chaired the Senate Banking Committee for nearly a decade, and fought against enactment of an interstate banking law that resulted in the concentration of financial assets and most large Wisconsin banks being bought up by even larger out-of-state banks.
Shortly after I came to the U.S. Senate we considered a national interstate banking bill, the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Act of 1994, which accelerated the concentration of financial assets, and the creation of “too big to fail” firms. I was one of only four senators to oppose that legislation. Five years later, I was one of only eight Senators to oppose the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, the bill that repealed Glass-Steagall and paved the way for this disastrous recession, which has been an economic nightmare for so many Americans.
Those two measures — the 1994 law and the 1999 law — accelerated the trend toward increased concentration of financial assets, aggravating the problem of “too big to fail.” Before those two laws were enacted, the six largest U.S. banks had assets equal to 17 percent of our GDP. Today the six largest U.S. banks have assets equal to more than 60 percent of our GDP.
Ultimately, it was the threat of the failure of the nation’s largest financial institutions that spurred the Wall Street bailout. I opposed that measure as well, in part because it was not tied to any fundamental reforms of our financial system that would prevent a future crisis and the need for another bailout. We could have had a much tougher reform package if the bailout had been tied to such a measure.
Every single one of those bills caved to Wall Street and the biggest financial interests, and so does the current regulatory reform bill.
RF
Shortly after I came to the U.S. Senate we considered a national interstate banking bill, the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Act of 1994, which accelerated the concentration of financial assets, and the creation of “too big to fail” firms. I was one of only four senators to oppose that legislation. Five years later, I was one of only eight Senators to oppose the Gramm-Leach-B.liley Act, the bill that repealed GlassS teagall and paved the way for this disastrous recession, which has been an economic nightmare for so many Americans.
Those two measures — the 1994 law and the 1999 law — accelerated the trend toward increased concentration of financial assets, aggravating the problem of “too big to fail.” Before those two laws were enacted, the six largest U.S. banks had assets equal to 17 percent of our GDP. Today the six largest U.S. banks have assets equal to more than 60 percent of our GDP.
Ultimately, it was the threat of the failure of the nation’s largest financial institutions that spurred the Wall Street bailout. I opposed that measure as well, in part because it was not tied to any fundamental reforms of our financial system that would prevent a future crisis and the need for another bailout. We could have had a much tougher reform package if the bailout had been tied to such a measure.
Every single one of those bills caved to Wall Street and the biggest financial interests, and so does the current regulatory reform bill.
The post above and below is from Russ Feingold from Huffington post
Welcome to DC Russ - a suburb of NY.
Not sure why filters are not letting this stuff through
Shortly after I came to the U.S. Senate we considered a national interstate banking bill, the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Act of 1994, which accelerated the concentration of financial assets, and the creation of “too big to fail” firms. I was one of only four senators to oppose that legislation. Five years later, I was one of only eight Senators to oppose the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, the bill that repealed Glass-Steagall and paved the way for this disastrous recession, which has been an economic nightmare for so many Americans.
Those two measures — the 1994 law and the 1999 law — accelerated the trend toward increased concentration of financial assets, aggravating the problem of “too big to fail.” Before those two laws were enacted, the six largest U.S. banks had assets equal to 17 percent of our GDP. Today the six largest U.S. banks have assets equal to more than 60 percent of our GDP.
Russ Feingold, one of the few in gov I have respect for. Also voted against patriot act and warrantless evesdropping despite massive pressure to do otherwise.
Well the demise of restrictions on interstate banking is an indirect result of the savings and loan crisis. One of the few inducements that bank regulators to give to those who might buy out a failing bank short of liquidation was the right to operate in the state where it was located. So a large bank in New York might buy out the East Decauter Savings and Loan at a loss so that it could legally operate in Illinois. By the time the crisis had passed this process had created so many “exceptions” to the prohibition on interstate banks that to many there seemed little reason to continue them.
The filters probably aren’t letting it through because you keep making wrong statements. Gramm-Leach-Bliley only repealed about 10% of Glass-Steagall.
Here is his competition.
Republican U.S. Senate candidate Ron Johnson found himself under the political microscope late last week after it was revealed that he owns up to $315,000 in BP stock while he has defended the oil giant against its critics and called for continued offshore drilling.
The Wisconsin businessman — who is vying, in a closer-than-expected contest, for Sen. Russ Feingold’s (D-Wisc.) seat — has spent the last few weeks trying to temper criticism of BP in the wake of the Gulf spill. ***
“The bottom line is we are an oil-based economy,” he told the site WisPolitics in mid-June, when asked about drilling in the Great Lakes. “There’s nothing we’re gonna do to get off of that for many, many years. I think we have to be realistic and recognize that fact and, you know, I, I think we have to, get the oil where it is, but we have to do it where it is.”
Russ won’t let his staff take a lunch from a lobbiest. I had a friend who worked for him.
T-bond yields from 1-yr out are screaming a double-dip recession signal. They clearly want to invert, but just simply can’t when the Fed has the 6 mo plastered against the ZIRP barrier:
Date 1 mo 3 mo 6 mo 1 yr 2 yr 3 yr 5 yr 7 yr 10 yr 20 yr 30 yr
06/30/09 0.17 0.19 0.35 0.56 1.11 1.64 2.54 3.19 3.53 4.30 4.32
06/30/10 0.17 0.18 0.22 0.32 0.61 1.00 1.79 2.42 2.97 3.74 3.91
The one-year basis point change is most informative regarding the withering green shoots outlook. For example, the seven year T-bond yield has dropped by 77 basis points.
Looks like seven years bad luck is in store for the U.S. economy.
Date 1 mo 3 mo 6 mo 1 yr 2 yr 3 yr 5 yr 7 yr 10 yr 20 yr 30 yr
BPS Change 0 -1 -13 -24 -50 -64 -75 -77 -56 -56 -41
Looking at these numbers seems a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. Please remind me why anyone thinks the stock market is a good place to be at the moment? (Eddie??)
? I don’t see any inversion along any point of the curve, even if 6-mo jumped a little. At worst, 6-mo would overtake 1-yr? But it would look nothing like the yield curve from 2006 or 2007, where it was completely backwards.
2006/2007 was before the $3T or so of money pumping. Now that that’s happened (with hints of more to come) there are a lot more expectations of long-term inflation, which keeps the yield curve positive.
My take, anyhow.
I agree with you; the long end still smells inflation, but the mid-term outlook (next 5-7 years) has become far gloomier since one year ago, as evidenced by the sag in yields in the middle of the curve.
“the long end still smells inflation”
Huh??? Choosing to accept <4% for a 30-year period certainly doesn’t seem like a whiff of inflation to me!
The sag in yields may just mean that fewer buyers are expecting this thing to be over quickly. If better yields were expected down the road, they would be less willing to lock in these anemic yields.
Prime - keep in mind that inflation doesn’t necessarily mean high interest rates.
We had inflation in the 70’s before we had high interest rates - rates were raised in response to the inflation. We could only afford that luxury since the economy was (relatively) strong.
We may well end up with high price inflation but still low treasury rates. Personally that’s what I expect. The government simply can’t afford to raise interest rates anymore to battle inflation - servicing the interest on the debt will just make it worse.
You are missing something important, which is that it is impossible for the yield curve to invert when short term rates are pinned to zero by ZIRP.
Nonetheless, the huge BPS drop in the 7-year yield is sending a signal which should not be missed…
No love for the 2, 5, and 10? They’re not exactly cheerful these days either.
FWIW - the 30-year isn’t exactly hopping either - at 3.98 now after peaking at 4.8 in April.
“They clearly want to invert, but just simply can’t when the Fed has the 6 mo plastered against the ZIRP barrier”
I don’t see how you can draw any conclusions from it when your premise is that it is manipulated.
What portion is signal and what portion is noise?
In theory, it is only _supposed_ to be manipulated at the short end now that the Fed’s campaign of buying Treasuries is over—right??
“What portion is signal and what portion is noise?”
Point taken.
And further, I have no way of ruling out the possibility that the market, not the Fed, is driving the short term rate to zero. Just because the Fed keeps claiming it is their policy which holds rates so low, doesn’t mean it is necessarily the case…
But on the other hand, pundits who speak about market participants doing this and doing that without addressing a highly activist Fed’s potential role in any market move are missing something potentially important as well.
Bloomberg breakdown of the bailout (I can’t see a date on it, but it’s pretty big, so I think it might be more recent?)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/data?pid=avimage&iid=i0YrUuvkygWs
Looks like it’s quite old, given that they have the Fannie and Freddie bailout as current $0, max $200B.
In reality as of last fall they had withdrawn $100B, with a cap of $400B. So that data’s at least a year or so old.
Perhaps it is unfair to pass judgment without first reading the 2,300 page bill, but I smell a regulatory disaster in the making for the aftermath of financial reform.
There is a silver lining, as this should be a boon to attorneys who specialize in financial regulation.
* The Wall Street Journal
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* JULY 14, 2010
The Uncertainty Principle
Dodd-Frank will require at least 243 new federal rule-makings.
So Republicans Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins now say they’ll provide the last crucial votes to get the Dodd-Frank financial reform through the Senate. Hmmm. Could this be Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s secret plan to take back the Senate, guaranteeing another year or two of regulatory and lending uncertainty and thus slower economic growth?
Probably not, but that still may be the practical effect. This week White House aides leaked to the press that President Obama may seek a review of regulations that are restraining business confidence and bank lending. Yet Dodd-Frank, with its 2,300 pages, will unleash the biggest wave of new federal financial rule-making in three generations. Whatever else this will do, it will not make lending cheaper or credit more readily available.
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Whatever else this will do, it will not make lending cheaper or credit more readily available.
What got us into this mess? Credit that was TOO available, that’s what. And that loosey-goosey credit found its way into housing, and, well, here we are, blogging away.
Success!
Political reality “plan B”:
“TrueDoNothing™ / “TrueObstructionists™ / TrueGridLokers™”
KKR is going public
Anyone want to buy a company with a pile of debt??
Before you answer look at Blackstone BX stock over the last 5 years.
LOL, Henry Kravis must be sniffing his underpants.
May as well rack up those CC’s and stop being frugal and planning for your future, the credit card bailouts are sure to be on the US agenda. When will this madness stop?
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Signs of Risky Lending Emerge
By RUTH SIMON and JESSICA SILVER-GREENBERG
Shirley Davis, a 66-year-old retired phone-company administrator who lives in Brooklyn, N.Y., is more than $33,000 in debt, earns just $2,414 a month and filed for bankruptcy in June. Shortly before that, she ripped open an envelope from Capital One Financial Corp., which pitched her a credit card even though it sued her in 2006 to recover $4,470 she owed on a different card from the bank.
Ruth Simon discusses why some financial institutions are weakening lending standards and wooing borrowers who might not be able to pay.
“At some point we lost you as a customer and we’d like to have you back,” the letter said. Ms. Davis said she was stunned. “Even I wouldn’t give me a credit card at this point,” she said.
Even as lenders struggle to pull themselves out of the credit crisis, signs of a new and potentially dangerous infatuation with risky borrowers are emerging. From credit cards to auto loans to mortgages, the hunger for new business as the crisis ebbs is causing some financial institutions to weaken lending standards and woo borrowers who mightn’t be able to pay.
A spokeswoman for Capital One said customers who “fully settled” their old debts might get a credit-card solicitation “with appropriately conservative spending limits.” The spokeswoman said, however, that doesn’t mean “that a consumer will receive a card.”
Capital One won a court judgment against Ms. Davis for the money owed and she repaid it.
Fannie Mae, seized by the U.S. government in 2008 to avert the mortgage company’s failure, launched an initiative in January that allows some first-time home buyers to get a loan with a down payment of as little as $1,000. Securities firm Morgan Stanley Smith Barney, a brokerage operation jointly owned by Morgan Stanley and Citigroup Inc., is offering some clients home-equity credit lines of as much as $2.5 million.
Credit-card issuers mailed 84.8 million offers of plastic to U.S. subprime borrowers in the first six months of this year, up from 43.7 million a year earlier, estimates research firm Synovate. Nearly 8% of loans for new cars in the latest quarter went to borrowers with the lowest range of credit scores, up from 6.2% in 2009’s fourth quarter, according to J.D. Power & Associates and Fair Isaac Corp.
Lenders said they learned their lesson when the real-estate bubble burst and are being careful as the credit spigot is loosened.
“Everyone here is very mindful of the financial disruptions we’ve all come out of and making sure we follow appropriate standards,” says Gina Proia, a spokeswoman for Ally Financial Inc., the auto lender formerly called GMAC Financial Services.
John D. Hawke Jr., chief U.S. regulator of nationally chartered banks from 1998 to 2004, said an increase in lending to less-credit-worthy borrowers isn’t necessarily bad as long as financial institutions manage the risk properly.
“What got us into this mess was that underwriting was not based on the conventional approach of a borrower’s capacity to pay,” said Mr. Hawke, a partner at law firm Arnold & Porter LLP. “The most important question becomes: Are lenders resorting to flawed underwriting practices of the past?”
Kathleen Day, a spokeswoman for the Center for Responsible Lending, said the consumer group is “seeing banks re-enter the subprime market at a steady clip and make loans to borrowers who don’t have the ability to repay.”
There is no doubt that the credit supply still is tight, especially in mortgages, despite prodding by government officials to increase lending. Subprime borrowers got just 9%, or $44 billion, of all consumer loans in the fourth quarter, the latest period for which figures are available, according to Experian PLC and Oliver Wyman. That is down from 18% in 2007’s second quarter.
But some lenders are starting to take more chances on consumer loans. Many financial institutions that survived the credit crisis and resulting recession are desperate for earnings growth, but loans to businesses amount to less than 20% of all outstanding loans, said Frederick Cannon, co-director of research at investment bank Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Inc.
Another strong lure: Fewer borrowers are falling behind on payments. Excluding mortgages, about 5.5% of consumer loans were at least 30 days past due at the end of the second quarter, down from the year-earlier 6%, according to Equifax Inc. and Moody’s Analytics.
Some lenders said they are willing to stretch because borrowers who take on credit in the early stages of an economic recovery often are less risky and thus more profitable than those who borrow later. Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis economist Williams Emmons said some credit loosening is normal given the U.S. economy’s growth since the end of the recession.
Financial institutions also claim they are getting smarter about who deserves a loan.
Experian recently began working with large banks it won’t identify to analyze borrowers who stopped paying their mortgages when home prices tumbled. The goal is to determine which borrowers are most likely to keep paying their other bills, and should be offered more credit.
“Everyone is looking a little to the edges of their current underwriting landscape,” said Steven Wagner, president of Experian’s Consumer Information Services unit. Still, some borrowers that ran into trouble when the economy slumped find it hard to believe that lenders are interested in them again.
Malissa Peloquin, 40, of Bolingbrook, Ill., said she has received six credit-card offers since she and her husband emerged from bankruptcy in June. She still owes more than $73,000 in student loans.
“All these offers say…’You qualify,’ ” she said. “No, I don’t.”
Hyundai Motor Co.’s Hyundai Motor America unit said about 15% of the auto loans from its in-house financing arm are being made to subprime and “near-prime” borrowers, up from 10% in 2009. Dave Zuchowski, Hyundai’s vice president of sales, said many “near-prime” customers are good credit risks and had “one-time problems” that besmirched their records.
Subprime auto lender AmeriCredit Corp. recently told investors that loan originations could total as much as $900 million for the fiscal fourth quarter ended June 30, up from $175 million a year earlier. Loan volume remains well below peak levels.
The thawing securitization market for auto loans is helping AmeriCredit increase its loan staff and dealer network. The company declined to comment.
Morgan Stanley Smith Barney said its home-equity loan offers of as much as $2.5 million are made “on a careful and judicious basis” to high-net-worth clients that the company knows “extremely well,” said a spokesman for Morgan Stanley.
The offer is part of a push to build a private-banking operation, and the credit lines represent “a tiny fraction” of the unit’s $19 billion in outstanding loans, he said.
Still, Terry Weberman, an accountant in Plainview, N.Y., said he was flabbergasted when he opened a letter touting the loans as a “flexible source of credit to fund major purchases, finance a home or meet an upcoming tax liability.” He wasn’t interested. “I am amazed this is still going on,” he said.
Fannie Mae said its low down-payment initiative requires borrowers to put down $1,000 or 1% of the purchase price, whichever is greater. The mortgage company said it faces limited financial risk because the loans are made through state agencies, which have a solid underwriting history and are on the hook to buy back certain loans that go bad.
Kate Venne, a spokeswoman for the Wisconsin Housing and Economic Development Authority, said borrowers must meet strict underwriting requirements and complete a home-buyer education course. The agency has made $50 million in loans through the program since March, and an additional $68 million are in the pipeline.
Yep the CC companies know that a bailout is coming.
Thus they are creating as much toxic sludge as possible to sell to the US tax payer.
Yup one we will wake and poof $2000–3000 gone of the balance you owe..
Shortly before that, she ripped open an envelope from Capital One Financial Corp., which pitched her a credit card even though it sued her in 2006 to recover $4,470 she owed on a different card from the bank.
I just got one of those Crapital One (misspelling deliberate) offers at my P.O. Box. It came with a postpaid envelope, and that motivated me to have some evil fun.
I scrawled missives like “Debt = Slavery” and “Pay As You Go” all over the papers. Then I put ‘em in the aforementioned postpaid envelope and fired it right back at Crapital One.
“Malissa Peloquin, 40, of Bolingbrook, Ill., said she has received six credit-card offers since she and her husband emerged from bankruptcy in June. She still owes more than $73,000 in student loans.”
“All these offers say…’You qualify,’ ” she said. “No, I don’t.”
Banks would love to lend to this woman. Because of her past history, the banks can soak her on the interest rates AND, except in a few tightly defined circumstances, Malissa is largely ineligible to declare bankruptcy again for another six to eight years.
But she has the option to stop paying…then put up with stupid bill collectors ( ah caller ID) for a couple of months… then get sued show up and have a judge dismiss it anyway because she is broke.
She can wait them out….But you DO have waste a couple of hours in court…so be it…..Chances are she doesn’t make enough to make it worth it to attach her paycheck….
Then down the road she can file BK again.
Lenders will stop making unrepayable loans when one thing happens: When they are forced to retain the repayment risk.
Separating lenders from repayment risk has been the core cause of the housing bubble and the resultant credit slowdown when the toxic debt bombs imploded.
If a lender can make a loan and quickly sell it off, pocketing a healthy fee, there is every incentive to make more loans and not care about the quality of those loans.
+1
I’ll go you one further. Not just lenders - but buyers of credit-backed securities will stop buying such securities when they are forced to retain the risk. Or at least if they do buy them, they’ll only be willing to pay a lot less than what they previously did.
Cigarette makers aren’t going to enhance their battered public image with this latest bit of news: Tobacco giant Philip Morris International has been using captive child labor in Central Asia to harvest tobacco.
I’ll bet this is making the rest of the CEO class jealous
I don’t know which is worse, that or the news today that BP confirms (unapologetically) that they lobbied the Brit gov’t to release the Lockerbie bomber so they could do the deal with Quadaffi (sp) to drill of the coast of Libya. I thought there was something a little funny the way that guy was let go, the Britgov was real tight-lipped and high-handed about it.
How about the FDA sanctioning Avandia?
Death to the multi-national corporation, they’re a cancer on the planet. Yeah, corps have “personhood”, all right. Maybe they need the same “personhood” individuals have. Individuals are not allowed to murder, enslave, poison, harrass, etc. Now if I went over to my neighbor’s yard and consistently used it as a toilet, I’d be locked up. And yet BP goes and defecates in the Gulf, and gets Coast Guard protection.
Ike was right about the military industrial complex.
I heard the BP story
Revolting.
The military industrial complex is only one head of the hydra that is destroying democracy and the middle class.
The core problem here is that bribery has become institutionalized among politicians. And money has been ruled speech. Thus, those with the most money, have the most influence (”speech”).
The Founders were so incredibly prescient with their instituting checks and balances in the government. But currently the legislative and executive branches of government are under severe “regulatory capture.”
We need a firewall between highly moneyed interests and politicians. Then, perhaps, they might be slightly more inclined to act in the public interest.
Of course, every solution has costs and benefits. We’re learning the cost/benefit schedule of our current system. We need to consider the cost/benefit schedule of a system in which politicians are not so beholden to moneyed interests.
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Memphis’ Loss is Mexico’s Gain for Cummins Jobs ~ The Daily News
Cummins Inc. is cutting 100 jobs from its engine remanufacturing plant in Memphis and transferring the work to a facility in Mexico.
The layoffs will begin by the end of the month, said Mark Land, executive director of corporate communications for the global supplier of service engines and related technologies. The company is based in Columbus, Ind.
About 300 people currently work at the remanufacturing plant on Pershing Avenue, but the company employs about 1,400 people in Memphis either directly or indirectly. It operates a distribution facility here and has a joint venture with Cummins Mid-South LLC.
That work will be transferred to a Cummins facility in the Mexican state of San Luis Potosi.
“Cummins Inc. is cutting 100 jobs from its engine remanufacturing plant in Memphis and transferring the work to a facility in Mexico.”
“About 300 people currently work at the remanufacturing plant on Pershing Avenue”
Sounds like the Obama stimulus plan saved another 200 jobs in the U.S. and created 100 new jobs in Mexico.
Remind me not to buy a Cummins ever again.
Okay, all of you growling bears, it’s time to cheer up. Here’s your feel-good story of the day:
Active Duty Students Juggle Military, Academics, Family
Slim,
I even have to admire the kids in the reserves that take a full load! These young guys/gals are just fantastic. Thanks.
I volunteer as an admissions interviewer for the University of Arizona’s business college.
This past spring, one of the interviewees was a guy who joined the Army a few months after 9/11. He served in Iraq, and, since his discharge, he worked for a private investor in NC. It taught him a lot about capital markets, and that’s why he was interested in the UA Eller College.
At the time of his interview, he was working part-time (24 hours in two days in a restaurant) while taking 20 credit hours at the community college.
And, if that’s not enough, he volunteers as a peer counselor at VA Tucson. His focus is on PTSD veterans. Reason: He is one, and he wants to help his fellow vets get better. It’s his way of repaying what others had done for him.
After he finished his interview, I turned to my partner and said, “We don’t deserve these people.”
We strongly recommended this young man for admission.
I don’t …..they signed on the dotted line when we are sending a bunch of them into battle zones….not a bright idea…
Remember most of these people are desperate, and the military is the only option…other then wallymart a gas station or maybe a Motel 8 in their hometown.
I really don’t admire workaholics.
I had my gig…60 hr weeks installing ATE’s in the early 80’s.
(Remembering my 4 month motorcycle trip across western North America on my up to Alaska in ‘79 and reading the obituaries of exceedingly talented dead young people, cured me.)
Should be the same path for Blockbuster…
Movie Gallery Files Proposed Chapter 11 Liquidation Plan in Virginia
Jul 15, 2010
Movie Gallery Inc., the video-rental chain that began shuttering its stores in February, filed a bankruptcy liquidation plan that would wipe out shareholder value, a key step in winding up the business.
Under the Chapter 11 plan filed July 13 in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Richmond, Virginia, general unsecured creditors would receive a pro rata share of a $5 million liquidating trust in cash. The filing didn’t include a disclosure statement further detailing the proposal.
Movie Gallery sought bankruptcy protection on Feb. 2, the second time since 2007, and subsequently closed all of its about 2,600 stores. The Dothan, Alabama-based chain, which is liquidating the last 1,028 locations, got approval this month to sell warehouse inventory.
The company listed debt of $500 million to $1 billion and assets of as much as $50 million in Chapter 11 documents.
Architect Lucien Lagrange retiring, firm files Chapter 11
(Crain’s) — Architect Lucien Lagrange is retiring as his firm files for bankruptcy protection.
One of the city’s most active designers for more than two decades, Mr. Lagrange, 69, says the firm filed for Chapter 11 protection from creditors Wednesday as a way to wind up its affairs and prevent him with being saddled with company debts after he stops working.
The bankruptcy petition is another reminder of how the dramatic downturn in development, particularly condominium towers, has hurt the design industry, which has suffered from layoffs. The filing is seemingly an ignominious chapter in a career that includes such high-profile projects as the Park Tower hotel/condo skyscraper, 800 N. Michigan Ave.; the 840 N. Lake Shore Drive condo building, and Elysian Hotel & Residences, 11 E. Walton St., which opened last year.
“No matter one’s stylistic preferences, Lucien is a major figure, not just in Chicago, but internationally,” says architect Stanley Tigerman, a principal in Chicago-based Tigerman McCurry Architects. “Of the type that does upscale condos, can you think of a better architect?”
AIG, Citigroup Tell SEC They Classified Some Repos as Sales
Jul 15, 2010
American International Group Inc. and Citigroup Inc. joined Bank of America Corp. in saying they classified more than $25 billion of repurchase agreements and securities lending transactions as sales since 2007.
AIG said in a letter to the Securities and Exchange Commission released today that accounting rules forced it to classify the agreements as sales. Citigroup told the SEC that it misclassified the transactions and that the errors were unintentional and “not material.” Bank of America said last week that it unintentionally misclassified transactions.
Suuure they did.
The reality is that no matter how smart, how strong, how educated or how hard working American workers are, they just cannot compete with people who are desperate to put in 10 to 12 hour days at less than a dollar an hour on the other side of the world. After all, what corporation in their right mind is going to pay an American worker 10 times more (plus benefits) to do the same job? The world is fundamentally changing. Wealth and power are rapidly becoming concentrated at the top and the big global corporations are making massive amounts of money. Meanwhile, the American middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence as U.S. workers are slowly being merged into the new “global” labor pool.
What do most Americans have to offer in the marketplace other than their labor? Not much. The truth is that most Americans are absolutely dependent on someone else giving them a job. But today, U.S. workers are “less attractive” than ever. Compared to the rest of the world, American workers are extremely expensive, and the government keeps passing more rules and regulations seemingly on a monthly basis that makes it even more difficult to conduct business in the United States.
So corporations are moving operations out of the U.S. at breathtaking speed. Since the U.S. government does not penalize them for doing so, there really is no incentive for them to stay.
What has developed is a situation where the people at the top are doing quite well, while most Americans are finding it increasingly difficult to make it. There are now about six unemployed Americans for every new job opening in the United States, and the number of “chronically unemployed” is absolutely soaring. There simply are not nearly enough jobs for everyone.
Many of those who are able to get jobs are finding that they are making less money than they used to. In fact, an increasingly large percentage of Americans are working at low wage retail and service jobs.
But you can’t raise a family on what you make flipping burgers at McDonald’s or on what you bring in from greeting customers down at the local Wal-Mart.
The truth is that the middle class in America is dying — and once it is gone it will be incredibly difficult to rebuild.
He ain’t just whistling dixie. What’s worse is that money controls gov so along with the death of the middle class comes the death of democracy in this country, and the death of free markets. The large fish will manipulate gov and keep the small fish from ever seeing the light of day. Eventually the vast majority of manufacturing and resource extraction will be controlled by a handfull of people. Even if you have money,your rights as a stock holder will be ignored.
Yeah, but you can’t sell anything but bicycles and huts to people who make less than an $1 an hour, either.
And what do you mean “eventually?” We’re there NOW.
I have often said “no first world worker can compete with a third world worker”.
That’s it in it’s simplest form.
“There are now about six unemployed Americans for every new job opening in the United States, and the number of “chronically unemployed” is absolutely soaring. There simply are not nearly enough jobs for everyone.”
But Barry says his stimulus is creating 3M jobs a year. So either he’s lying or the unemployed are lying. Who do you think it is?
Former real-a-tor turned scam artist…
Woman accused in cancer scam pleads guilty to felony theft.
Perouty-Leone faces up to 15-year prison term in Baltimore Co. case
June 15, 2010 The Baltimore Sun
In the beginning, she fooled everyone.
When Dina Perouty-Leone began telling friends and acquaintances that she had terminal stomach cancer and that she needed help paying for treatment because she had no health insurance, there was little reason to doubt her word.
“She was very kind, sweet and pleasant,” Jennifer Lasek, a former classmate in Dundalk who donated thousands of dollars, recalled on Tuesday. “She kept saying, ‘I love you. No one helps me like that.’ ”
But Lasek and others in Perouty-Leone’s circle were deceived, according to Baltimore County prosecutors, who charged the former real estate agent with four theft counts. She never had cancer, Assistant State’s Attorney Adam Lippe said, and had created an “elaborate scheme to obtain money from her friends to fund her lifestyle and not because of an illness.”
On Tuesday, Perouty-Leone, 37, pleaded guilty to a single count of felony theft. A 1990 graduate of Dundalk High School and the mother of two teenagers, she faces a maximum of 15 years in prison. Baltimore County Circuit Judge John G. Turnbull II ordered her jailed until she is sentenced Aug. 31.
“I’m sorry,” the tearful defendant said as she turned toward Lasek and another woman she admitted deceiving, Jennifer Lynch, and both avoided her gaze. Perouty-Leone, looking tanned, removed her jewelry and handed it to a bailiff before being led from the courtroom. As she left, she looked at her sister, who was crying, and called out, “Take care of my kids.”
Kind of like how they took care of Old Yeller?
YEAY!!
Obama saves the day!!
Daddy plugged the hole.
Plugs the hole, creates (or saves, tee hee) 3M jobs via porkulus and gives every FREEEEEEE health insurance.
All this while keeping his handicap down to a respectable 15.
Forget the Dos Equis guy….Barry truly is the most interesting man in the world.
What do you expect from someone who grew up in Dumdock?
She’s PERFECT Wall St. material!
What a sick woman. Faking cancer, karma’s going to be a real beeatch.
Guy, permit the Palmster a little shouting. CNN is reporting:
BP: NO OIL FLOWING INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MONTHS AS PART OF TEST OF RUPTURED WELL.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whew, let’s hope it stays that way. I was just looking at the live feed of the test, of course I have no idea what I’m looking at, but all those robotics sure are interesting. It’s a real cliffhanger watching the robotic claw try to grasp the handle of that cap. It’s like trying to thread a needle.
But it looks like they got the cap over the riser.
Of course, as has been said, even if this works, it’s just the end of the beginning. Years of mitigation, remediation ahead.
This is good news. Let the healing of the Gulf begin.
I meant, “Guys”, not “Guy”. As in “folks”, “fellow HBBers”, etc.
I have been very depressed as a result of the BP spill. Those of you who don’t care much for me can take great comfort in the fact that the Palmster has actually shed some pretty bitter tears over this, I even surprised myself with my own reaction, real full throated sobbing like when a loved one dies.
Some days I feel the same about the US. The US has been my buddy for a long time, she gave me a good life and she’s a-dyin’.
I have very bad feelings in my heart for many politicians, and for multi-national corp execs, etc. Very bad.
palmetto,
I’m there. Yeah, it was all a bit much. Let’s see, economy/market spinning out of control? Check! Pols grandstanding, check! And in ‘our’ case here in Oregon, “summer” ( such as it is ) only arrived about a week and half ago.
My assoc. next town over asked me why I hadn’t -called- all this time!? I said I was too depressed. He said, hey ( I could use a little “talking off the ledge” once in awhile myself? )
Unless Complete Anarchy (TM) is your design for this country, I can’t imagine anyone is very happy right about now?
DinOR, I thank you for your thoughts, I think I need to back away from a lot of this and turn my attention in other directions, no way I’m going to singlehandedly reform the system.
It’s not all totally grim, but I often wish I could just get back to the US as it was, or better.
Hang in there Palmy.
Don’t want to rain on the parade, it’s only a temp.
But… THANK GOD!
In contrast to the “top kill” fiasco, this time Obama will wait a few days to be good and sure before he shows up in front of the cameras to take credit for stopping up the leak.
Palmetto, I understand your feelings. I was born in Tampa and raised in Florida, but now live in Atlanta. All of my childhood memories are from Florida, swimming in the ocean, guava tree in the backyard, eating mangoes on the way home from school, breaking coconuts on the street, orange groves, fishing, and all the beautiful tropical flowers and just the beauty of so many places in Florida. I love Florida and I’m worried about this oil spill and what will happen to Florida. I love to visit Florida, but how long will I be able to visit and enjoy swimming in the ocean?
Hey, there, Georgiagirl,
There’s another Georgia deep inside…
Yes, me,too.
I love Florida. I’d like to go back.
Roidy
And I keep thinking of that twilight spent sitting on the seawall in Pascagoula, MS. Behind us were Katrina-destroyed houses. In front of us was the Gulf. So still and peaceful with the sun sinking in the west.
Companies Piling Up Cash But Not Adding Jobs
Washington Post: If Corporations Are Sitting On So Much Money, Why Aren’t They Hiring More Workers?
Corporate America is hoarding a massive pile of cash. It just doesn’t want to spend it hiring anyone.
Nonfinancial companies are sitting on $1.8 trillion in cash, roughly one-quarter more than at the beginning of the recession. And as several major firms report impressive earnings this week, the money continues to flow into firms’ coffers.
Yet all the good news from big business hasn’t translated into much promise for jobless Americans, leading many to wonder: If corporations are sitting on so much money, why aren’t they hiring more workers?
The answer to that question has become a political flash point between the White House and big business groups such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which held a jobs summit Wednesday and accused the Obama administration of dumping onerous regulations on businesses. That has created an environment of “uncertainty,” which is causing firms to hold back on hiring as the unemployment rate has hovered near 10 percent, the Chamber said.
The White House countered that companies are wary of hiring not because of new regulations but because they’re still waiting for consumer demand to return. The administration also claimed credit for 3.5 million jobs created by the stimulus bill from last year.
The White House countered that companies are wary of hiring not because of new regulations but because they’re still waiting for consumer demand to return.
This has been borne out through at least one survey conducted by the National Federation of Independent Businesses.
Here’s a Reuters story that summarizes the NFIB survey mentioned above.
Key point:
Last week, President Barack Obama announced new assistance to small businesses, including a lending program through the Small Business Administration.
But the NFIB said the new aid is misdirected, as “only 5 percent of small business owners cite ‘financing’ as their top business problem but 31 percent cite ‘poor sales.’”
“Loans are not in short supply,” it said, “but reasons to get loans certainly are.”
“Loans are not in short supply,” it said, “but reasons to get loans certainly are.”
x2 foreign wars can’t produce enough demand?…reckon the folks lining up in front of the recycling machine at the grocery store are doing it for Patriotic reasons of war material shortages…
Companies Piling Up Cash But Not Adding Jobs
Washington Post: If Corporations Are Sitting On So Much Money, Why Aren’t They Hiring More Workers?
Corporate America is hoarding a massive pile of cash. It just doesn’t want to spend it hiring anyone.
If they spend it then there will be less for the CEO to siphen off and to pay himself with.
I think it suggests that teh CEO class knows the middle class in the US is dead. They won’t start hiring Americans until Americans are reduced to living like 3rd world wage slaves. Of course at that point there won’t be any customers.
“Of course at that point there won’t be any customers.”
One of my friends says he has lots of customers, but they’re not buying anything. He turns on the lights and air conditioning every morning, and stays there all day to see if he can break-even. Quiet desperation.
I see this on my ebay sales…lot more hits then 6 months ago.. but still stuff remains unsold…I guess lots of unemployed people spend time on ebay
Companies won’t hire workers if there is no work to do. We’re not at that stage of socialism yet.
Apparently we aren’t capitalistic enough to return the excess cash to shareholders via dividends or buybacks either.
You have problem with Corporate Communist Capitalism©®™, comrade?
Freeway cameras set to turn off tonight
Phoenix Business Journal
Arizona’s foray into speed cameras on freeways will end at the stroke of midnight.
Redflex Traffic Systems will flip the switch at 11:59 p.m. July 15, the last minute of its contract with the Arizona Department of Public Safety. It will begin taking down signs warning drivers of impending speed traps after midnight.
The cameras are likely to remain well past Labor Day, as Phoenix-based Redflex has to coordinate possible freeway closures with the Arizona Department of Transportation to remove the equipment, said Shoba Vaitheeswaran, director of communications for Redflex.
The company plans to disperse the equipment — 40 vans and 36 stationary cameras — among its 250 other contracts.
Speed cameras are very, very effective at reducing speeds of people who know they are there.
The catch is that politicians don’t want people to know they are there, so they can act as revenue generators.
If the politicians were serious about trying to reduce speeds, there would be a protocol which mandated a 10 x 10 foot black letters on yellow background sign, which indicated “speed cameras ahead”. People would slow down to the speed limit. But you won’t see that. And people know they are being fleeced.
I’d have no problem with speed cameras, if they were clearly marked.
Goldman to pay $550M to settle civil fraud charges
WASHINGTON – Goldman Sachs & Co. has agreed to pay $550 million to settle civil fraud charges that accused the Wall Street giant of misleading buyers of mortgage-related investments.
The deal calls for Goldman to pay the Securities and Exchange Commission fines of $300 million. The rest of the money will go to compensate those who lost money on the investments.
The investments at the center of the charges were crafted with input from a Goldman client who was betting on them to fail. The securities cost investors close to $1 billion while helping Goldman client Paulson & Co. capitalize on the housing bust.
The civil charges the SEC filed April 16 were the most significant legal action related to the mortgage meltdown that pushed the country into recession.
Well, good! Now maybe Wall Street has learned a lesson that cheating, criminality, and fraud will NOT be tolerated.
We will now prepare for that happy occurrence of a Liz Sonders “melt-up” scenario when the retail investor comes back in.
It’s entirely safe now that we have the Wall Street Reforms to protect us.
Roidy
But remember, in the fantasy world of coporatism, this doesn’t mean they are guilty of anything.
Gollum settles for $550 million slap on the wrist. Where are the perp walks???
Bloomberg
Goldman Sachs to Pay $550 Million to Settle SEC Fraud Lawsuit
July 15, 2010, 4:56 PM EDT
You actually expected the porn connoisseurs at the SEC to impose accountability on our unelected Fourth Branch of Government? You are a silly, silly man.
“These f@!king Guys!,” Jon Stewart.
“TrueFinancialCult™” / “TrueSerialLiquiditist™”
The masters of government are still the masters of government. This financial reform bill does not change that. It has been heavily influenced by the existing Fed and Treasury personnel (lousy with Gollum alumni and others). And by a legion of FIRE lobbyists.
The media has been breathless in its barely concealed joy at the passage of Dodd-Frank. A CBS News radio reporter even stated that the bill is stronger than the one Obama originally wanted. I laughed out loud. A stated example of the increased strength was the creation of the CFPA. What our ersatz hero failed to note was the CFPA was significantly weaker than originally proposed, now being under the control of the Fed, which was heavily complicit in promoting the credit crisis and associated malinvestment.
So, perp walks for the FIRE sector masters of the universe are still some time away, and there needs to be a lot more degradation in the standard of living.
I think it’ll happen. Eventually. Populations in many parts of the world exist which live at much lower standards than we do. But, you can’t take a people which has been enjoying a higher standard of living, and lower it, and not expect some serious unrest.
A nice little facebook exchange I had with some friends:
DUDE
OK, I’m gonna catch flack for this, could someone tell me what the benefit to society is of having low down financing available for home buyers?
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/case-shiller-updated.png
DUDE
The link provides a clue as to why I think 3% down FHA financing is an evil to society.
NATALIE
Well, if we hadn’t gotten zero down on our house we would most likely never ever be able to afford one. Ever. It may not be a benefit to society, but it’s been a benefit to us.
DIERDRE
I see what you mean, though, some people,-not all-, get in over their heads. THEN it becomes hard on society when every other house on the block is in forclosure and then decreases the value of the neighborhood.
DUDE
OK, for the individual which is better, a $200K loan with 3% down, or a $100K loan with 6% down?
DEIRDRE
definitely the $100K…each % is 6,000, but naturally you have less to pay off. Is that what you mean?
DUDE
Dierdre, getting in over one’s head is only part of the problem. If you look at the chart I linked you can see a huge spike in home prices at the end of WW2. Most people attribute that to demand due to the returning veterans. IMHO it was due to the veterans, but the demand went hand in hand with the ability to purchase with 0% down as part of the GI bill. The government guaranteed (subsidized) the loan, so more money was made available.
When more money is available to purchase a fixed quantity of goods, what happens to the price of those goods? It rises until equilibrium is established. The same thing happened in 1977 with the passage of the Community Reinvestment Act and in the early 90s with important revisions to same. All those legislations made it easier to purchase a home with little or no money down, and thereby inflated the price of housing.
The largest distortion, however, was not caused by government, at least not directly. The creation of mortgage backed securities in the late 90s made it possible for banks to pass on their risk in lending to another third party, meaning that if they could sell someone on the idea that 0% down was adequate, then that was all it took to get a loan done. That was shown to be a bad idea since it was found that a strawberry picker earning $16K/annum just can’t pay for a $600K house. (actual case)
Hopefully that makes sense, and explains my position. Housing is much more costly than it should be, much of the cost difference between today and pre WW2 is due to government subsidies, and the lion’s share of the labor we do to pay for our inflated housing goes to?
The bankers.
“NATALIE
Well, if we hadn’t gotten zero down on our house we would most likely never ever be able to afford one. Ever. It may not be a benefit to society, but it’s been a benefit to us.”
Sounds like she misses one of the key evils of low-down loans, which is to push up prices to unaffordable levels (unless you use a low-down loan to buy, that is).
P.S. I totally agree with your explanation…
Thanks GS.
Just got back from Foodtown… Hey guys what do you make of the Food Stamps EBT cards not working? they were frozen due to the budget problem in Albany……hmmmm
* The Wall Street Journal
* POLITICS
* JULY 15, 2010
Senate VIP Loans Mount
Countrywide Dealt With More Lawmakers and Staffers Than Previously Known
By JOHN R. EMSHWILLER
Angelo Mozilo, former Countrywide Financial chairman
U.S. senators or Senate employees received 30 loans—far more than had previously been known—under a controversial lending program at Countrywide Financial Corp. that provided cut-rate terms to favored borrowers.
The information is contained in a letter sent to the Senate Select Committee on Ethics by Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.), who has been spearheading the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee’s investigation into Countrywide’s so-called VIP mortgage program.
No specific loan recipients were named in the letter. But Mr. Issa’s letter said borrowers on a dozen loans listed their place of employment as the office of “Senator Robert Bennett.” Available public records don’t indicate that Sen. Bennett, a Utah Republican and member of the Senate Banking Committee, received a Countrywide home loan.
Sens. Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.) and Kent Conrad (D., N.D.), have previously been identified among the high-profile individuals who received such loans. Both senators have denied wrongdoing. Until the Issa letter, no other senators or their staff members had been linked to the VIP loan program.
A spokeswoman for Sen. Bennett didn’t respond to questions. Sen. Bennett recently lost his primary election battle and will be leaving the Senate in January after 18 years.
A spokesman for the Senate Ethics panel declined to comment. A spokesman for Bank of America Corp., which in 2008 acquired Countrywide, said the company had cooperated with the investigation by the House committee.
The VIP program operated during the housing boom earlier this decade, often writing mortgages with terms more favorable than those available to the general public. An estimated 28,000 loans were made, mostly to private parties such as Countrywide employees or their friends and relatives.
The House Oversight panel, where Mr. Issa is the ranking Republican member, is probing whether such loans were issued to public officials in an attempt to influence them. Last year, the committee subpoenaed VIP loan records from Bank of America.
In his letter dated July 13, Mr. Issa wrote that on seven loans not tied to Mr. Bennett’s office, the borrowers listed their place of employment as “U.S. Senator.” Another 11 listed the “U.S. Senate.” In response to questions, a spokesman for Mr. Issa said the House committee didn’t receive the names of the borrowers from Bank of America.
More than one loan could have gone to the same person, such as a mortgage and a separate home-equity line of credit. Mr. Conrad received four Countrywide loans, a spokesman for the senator said. Mr. Dodd reportedly received at least two. Their loans were presumably included in the 30.
Mr. Issa’s letter said that many of the 30 loans were made in 2002 and 2003, at the beginning of a national “mortgage boom” that helped make Countrywide for a time the nation’s biggest home lender. Increasing problems in its loan portfolio led to Countrywide’s takeover and contributed to the widespread economic upheaval that hit the country in 2008.
The letter said the House committee’s investigation had found that Countrywide used the VIP loan program to “build relationships with government officials.”
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