July 20, 2010

Over A Barrel And Off The Cliff

The Day reports from Connecticut. “Foreclosure activity in New London County soared by more than 60 percent in the first half of this year compared with the same period in 2009, according to RealtyTrac, leading a state economist to conclude that one of the causes of the current recession has now turned into a victim of the downturn. ‘Some of what we’re seeing is because of the backwash effects of the broader collapse of the economy,’ said University of Connecticut economist Steven P. Lanza. ‘The headwinds for this housing crisis are going to be around for a long time.’”

“But Jeff Gentes, foreclosure-prevention staff attorney at the Connecticut Fair Housing Center, said the statewide statistics may be a bit misleading, since in the first half of 2009 a national foreclosure-prevention program was just getting under way. The program led to banks and mortgage companies delaying some foreclosures in the first half of 2009, he said, which made the same period this year look worse than it might have otherwise.”

“Still, he said, ‘I don’t see things getting better for a while …. The job market could easily just stay at a long-term crisis mode for another two years, and I wouldn’t be shocked if jobs were more or less flat till 2015.’”

The Norwich Bulletin in Connecticut. “Property revaluations being conducted now could bring results very different from previous years. The process of assessing property values was last done in 2005, at the height of the housing bubble, Voluntown tax assessor Mildred Peringer said. Since then, home prices have decreased significantly, making it likely that assessments will drop, she said.”

“Generally, housing values appreciate as time goes by, Peringer said. A revaluation has not brought down the grand list in the nearly 20 years she has been tax assessor, she said.”

The Times Argus in Vermont. “The effects of the recession continue to be felt in Vermont where bankruptcies are up 17 percent this year. Michelle Kainen, a White River Junction lawyer, whose case load is up 15 percent from a year ago, said it’s rare when she sees a married couple come into her office with both spouses employed. She said either that or one or both have taken jobs that pay far less than their previous job. Kainen said she’s also seeing more small business bankruptcies.”

“For longtime Bethel bankruptcy lawyer Ray Obuchowski, the jump in filings is not unexpected. He said the fallout from this recession is different in that it has hit a wider segment of the population. ‘We’ve seen a lot more of-upper income and lower- upper income people,’ Obuchowski said, ‘who have been squeezed by all the traditional factors of divorce, job loss, health reasons, that resulted in them being unable to meet their housing payments.’”

The Providence Journal in Rhode Island. “Americans have endured 11 recessions since World War II. But this one is different. It has the highest percentage of long-term unemployed (those without jobs for more than six months), the Congressional Research Service said in a recent report. ‘The incidence of long-term unemployment currently is higher than at any time in the post-war period,’ the Congressional Research Service said.”

“Over the last 30 years or so, the nation’s economy has changed, giving greater emphasis to the production of services over the production of goods. Recessions now have less to do with inventory, more to do with speculative price bubbles — in technology stocks or the housing market, for example. The duration of unemployment has lengthened in this recession.”

“The state was particularly hard hit by the recession, mainly because of a higher than average run-up in housing prices. The steep price hikes were not sustained by income growth and featured lax lending practices. When the bubble burst, Rhode Island had further to fall.”

“‘No jobs are really being created,’ said Edward M. Mazze, distinguished university professor of business administration at the University of Rhode Island. Partly because of high rates of foreclosures and consumer debt amid this recession, ‘businesses are afraid to spend because consumers are not spending,’ Mazze said.”

The Patriot Ledger in Massachusetts. “After sinking to the lowest levels in nearly two decades last year, local homebuilding is gradually reviving in 2010. Housing starts, while still a far cry from the boom years, are up sharply in some South Shore towns. Pulte Homes wants to resume construction of the Residences at Union Station, a condo project in Braintree that stalled after only one of 12 buildings was completed. Some of the units in the first building sold for more than $700,000. Condos in the future phases would start in the mid-$300,000 range, a Pulte executive said recently.”

“Before the housing downturn, J.P. Gallagher Group of Norwell routinely built $1 million, 4,000-square-foot suburban spreads. Today, the emphasis is on downsizing, co-owner Paul Gallagher said. Typical custom homes being built in Norwell and surrounding towns are 3,200 square feet and sell for approximately $800,000.”

“‘It’s just a different mindset,’ Gallagher said. ‘People are just trying to simplify a little bit, and finding they don’t need two acres of land and having an enormous yard to cut on Saturday and Sunday.’”

The Boston Globe in Massachusetts. “A second-floor condominium in a luxury building just off the Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Greenway boasts a gourmet kitchen, golden-colored polished concrete floors, and spectacular views of Boston Harbor. This spring, it gained an undesirable distinction: The 2,600-square-foot condo went into foreclosure.”

“In fact, half of the units at Greenway Place, a newly renovated 12-unit, eight-story historic building, have gone into foreclosure, at least briefly, over the past two years. In May, a buyer purchased a foreclosed unit in Folio Boston, a luxury condo complex, for $650,000 — about $275,000 less than it sold for in 2006.”

“Investor Ryan Connelly, bought the second-floor unit at a foreclosure auction in 2008 for $901,000, according to the unit deed. Even after making major improvements, including the golden flooring, he has yet to find a buyer, according to listing broker Herion Karbunara. In May, the unit fell back into foreclosure and is now listed for $1.4 million — $1.2 million less than it was marketed for in 2008.”

“Connelly did not respond to requests for an interview, but Karbunara said the lowered price ‘breaks his heart.’”

WBUR in Massachusetts. “He never thought he’d say this, but Taylor Boas is so glad he did not get the $8,000 tax credit for buying a house. ‘The tax credit in this market, in the Boston area,’ Boas said, ’seemed to benefit the sellers more than the buyers. Because I think people would bid up the price.’”

“That’s what happened to him. Back in April when the tax credit was on, he and his wife were moving to the area from Indiana and put in an offer on a house in Watertown. They lost out. It sold for $6,000 more than the asking price. Last month they found a similar house two blocks away and got it for $100,000 less, well below asking price. ‘We definitely got a better deal,’ Boas said.”

The New York Post. “The most painful words to any veteran of the New York real estate scene might be ‘if only.’ If only we had known Park Slope was going to gentrify; if only we bought that two-bedroom in the Village in 1973; if only we hadn’t read all those Eloise books. ‘You hear those stories from your grandparents,’ Cem Onur says and laughs.”

“Onur and his wife, Ozlem, think this is one of those coulda-woulda-shoulda moments. The market is depressed. Mortgage rates are low. Sellers are eager to make a deal. ‘This is going to be the lowest point in, let’s hope, the next 20 or 30 years,’ says Onur. ‘I don’t want to wait until two or three years down the line when I say, ‘Goddammit! I should have bought!’”

“‘Interest rates are so low, it’s ridiculous,’ says Jennifer Marrero, who signed a contract on a 710-square-foot, one-bedroom penthouse co-op (with another 326 square feet of outdoor space) at Embelesar 118 in East Harlem this week for $422,260.”

“Not too long ago, Dawn and Sean Blachar, two first-timers, wandered into an open house for an Upper East Side two-bedroom listed for $975,000. As Dawn remembered it, the place was a wreck. The kitchen would need to be gutted, and the owner had let her cats run riot on the floors and walls. Dawn asked if the seller was open to negotiation and, to sweeten the deal, offered to put one-third down in cash. The broker stepped into the other room with the owner of the property and came back a few moments later: The seller would take $925,000.”

“The $50,000 discount was enticing — but the Blachars finally decided they weren’t prepared for a long and costly renovation. When they saw an ad for the apartment a few weeks ago, they noticed that the price was now $915,000. ‘I think the bottom is close to being hit,’ Dawn says. ‘The market is close to being back. The bottom is near. We are probably going to buy in the next five to six months.’”

The New York Daily News. “In the desperate battle to end New York’s home foreclosure crisis, a windowless storage closet in a Queens courthouse serves as ground zero. The 6-feet-by-10-feet room has been turned into a conference room where banks and homeowners meet to work out their differences in a new statewide program aimed at keeping debtors from losing their homes. Every week, about 250 to 300 conferences fill the calendar.”

“Nurse Margaret Byron wanted to trim a $4,000-a-month mortgage on her Far Rockaway home after her husband lost his job. Four conferences later, the bank finally agreed to reduce it to $3,800. ‘We expected more from it than what we got,’ says Byron.”

“Delores Small and husband Philip had a $1,693 mortgage on their home in Cambria Heights. After Philip retired from the state, Delores’ office manager job was cut from five days a week to two. They stopped paying the mortgage last year. Before the bank foreclosed, the Smalls were scammed by a debt settlement company, paying several thousand dollars to get a loan modification that never materialized. Then came the notice to attend the conference to try and avoid default. After three conferences, they got the mortgage reduced, but only by $17 a month to $1,676.”

“‘They have you over a barrel and they are going to push you off the cliff,’ says Delores.”

“At a recent conference in the Queens storage closet, a bank lawyer told a 33-year-old woman from Laurelton to expect a permanent modification by month’s end. She got a temporary modification in April that cut her monthly payment from $2,911 to $2,890. She admits it’s not much, but says she has little choice. ‘Whatever the bank offers me,’ she told The News, ‘I will take it.’”




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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-20 05:32:01

“Over A Barrel And Off The Cliff”

Heh! The MSM hasn’t run out of creative ways to say we are all doomed…

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-07-20 09:50:16

It was a pretty weird turn of phrase, really. “They have you over a barrel and are going to push you off of a cliff”

What? Talk about mixing metaphors for nonsensical results.

She’s obviously not seeing the forest for missing the boat. Or something equally dumb.

 
 
Comment by Tommy Tommyville
2010-07-20 05:43:12

‘I think the bottom is close to being hit,’ Dawn says. ‘The market is close to being back. The bottom is near. We are probably going to buy in the next five to six months.’”

If Ms. Blachar says so, then it must be true. I better hurry now, because by this time next year, I will be priced out forever! The good part is, since the economy (or is it JUST the housing market) is going to come roaring back. All those unemployed people need to do now is hang tight till Christmas, and all will be good.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-20 05:45:46

‘The bottom end is near.’

Serial bottom callers never give up, do they?

One of these years, one of them is going to be right, and then we will never hear the end of it again.

Comment by polly
2010-07-20 06:11:21

I’m a little confused by this one. Is the bottom near because they saw a place that they nearly bought listed for a little less than they almost spent? Is that what makes it close to a bottom? Because if you nearly buy something it can’t be too far from the right price, right. After all, you are smart….

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-20 06:46:34

I kind of think your theory is right. Obviously their price has been met and theirs is the only price that matters, right? Any other explanation or outcome is simply unthinkable for them, thus it will not happen (continued price declines).

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-20 07:12:26

Dawn Blachar’s home purchase decision is the clearest sign yet that a housing market bottom is now close at hand.

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Comment by nycityboy
2010-07-20 08:22:19

We have piss-stained apartments on the Upper East Side going for $915,000 and that signals the bottom? This city is so loaded with morons, idiots and dip$hits. It is amazing. And many of said morons, idiots and dip$hits actually make a decent living. It boggles the mind.

“‘Interest rates are so low, it’s ridiculous,’ says Jennifer Marrero, who signed a contract on a 710-square-foot, one-bedroom penthouse co-op (with another 326 square feet of outdoor space) at Embelesar 118 in East Harlem this week for $422,260.”

The only thing ridiculous is somebody buying on 118th Street in East Harlem for $422,260 and thinking they got a great deal. I was in that neighborhood last month on a Saturday morning. I can’t say that I felt comfortable. Let’s just say we were not surrounded by yuppies and preppies. People are now waiting for a gentrification that may not only not come but may be reversed. Expect some gentrified neighborhoods to turn back to $hit in the future.

But, hey, the interest rates are low. I have to buy. I bet interest rates on mortgages hit 4.0% in 2011.

 
Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-07-20 08:32:51

Such folk are of the Political Class. Trust fund babies and the like. High income “workers” who don’t do much.

If in a war, these are the people you send out on the front line first. No, not because they’re capable, but because they’ll expend some of the opposition’s ammunition.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-07-20 09:14:58

People are now waiting for a gentrification that may not only not come but may be reversed. Expect some gentrified neighborhoods to turn back to $hit in the future.

Didn’t the process of un-gentrification already happen in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn? And isn’t this also happening in Red Hook?

 
Comment by exeter
2010-07-20 09:24:39

“People are now waiting for a gentrification that may not only not come but may be reversed. Expect some gentrified neighborhoods to turn back to $hit in the future.”

Reverse gentrification is an interesting topic and a process I really am looking for evidence of. Gentrification requires a alot of money and a shift in cultural preferences. We’ve had both for a good two decades now but I think the former is drying up and that will be what sparks the reversal.

I can only hope that the limpwristed, euro-trash driving, sneaker wearing fools living in these gentrified nabes are taking an economic hit by now.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-07-20 10:34:58

Arizona and California are examples of mass reverse gentrification. The cities have always had slums, but how bad was crime in the little ag towns in the 50’s, and how bad are they now?

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-20 14:05:38

Reverse gentrification is indeed a fascinating subject. So far my local evidence remains anecdotal, but even so, Section 8 grants might just be playing a role. The bugaboo amongst the buildings near me is that some accidental landlords are leading the charge. They’re trying to fill their units in any way possible and in so doing are beginning to change the socioeconomic composition of their buildings, much to the chagrin of the neighbors they left behind.

This will be most interesting to watch as it unfolds.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-07-22 06:43:46

Ex:

Please use the proper term “WUSSIES”…

I can only hope that the limpwristed, euro-trash driving, sneaker wearing fools living in these gentrified nabes are taking an economic hit by now.

 
 
Comment by Sean
2010-07-20 10:44:08

Conventional wisdom says if the price dropped that much in a July/August RE market, wouldn’t it be better to wait until November/December when the market REALLY cools down? My guess is that place could have been had for under $900K.

But what do I know? I’m just wasting my money renting my condo.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-07-20 06:00:30

I focussed on that same quote. Ya know, you gotta wonder if these people read the news and connect dots. We NYers all know the budget has not been finalized yet, and we’re all pretty sure between this fiscal year and next the public workforce is going to represent the next leg down w/a new spike of layoffs. In NYC, there’re talking closing entire schools and laying off thousands of teachers.

And they think housing can only go up? My expectation is round II of deep fear is just over the horizon.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-07-22 06:47:36

yes carrie, and of course the union will not cut back on pensions to keep teachers employed…

When taxes, water just was raised a lot, the cops checking trash for recyclables to give out tickers at 5am on a sat morning….all adds up to rent hikes

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-07-20 06:16:33

“The bottom is near.”

Being the veteran of 2 scaffold falls, I can assure you there is a BIG difference between the bottom being near and the bottom being hit.

“The market is close to being back”

Once you acatually “hit” the bottom you really don`t have any idea how close you are to being back.

 
Comment by Jerry
2010-07-20 11:20:24

What are they going to say a year from now, two years from now when housing keeps going down according to Schuller and other expects saying 30% drop from today’s price. The end is by all means not near.

 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2010-07-20 12:20:16

‘I think the bottom is close to being hit.’

Maybe she’s right. Except, after that bottom is hit this time, the economy might not get up and walk away, like a skydiver whose parachute won’t open!

 
 
Comment by jurisprude
2010-07-20 05:50:29

Looks like even the giant vampire squid sucking on the face of humanity is not immune from the broader economic environment:

Goldman Sachs Profit Drops 82%, Missing Analysts’ Estimates
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-20/goldman-sachs-profit-falls-82-misses-estimates-on-trading-revenue-drop.html

On the other hand, banks that provide more honest services, e.g. asset custodial and management services, seem to do ok.

BNY Mellon Earnings Triple as Stock Rebound Boosts Fees
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-20/bny-mellon-earnings-triple-as-stock-rebound-boosts-fees.html

 
Comment by Bobby Mac
2010-07-20 05:58:39

East Harlem; 700 sq feet; over $400k.

Wow. Just Wow. Still an enormous bubble in New York.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-07-20 06:17:34

I don’t have a tally, nor can i find one, of where the “stimulus Money” is going. But, I have no doubt that a few Billion would find it’s way into East Harlem. If you have easy money flowing into the “community”, then high prices can be supported.
Also, we can expect that Government support of the mortgage market will continue allowing pricing to be rigged.

Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-07-20 08:36:31

Yes, yes and yes.

To think that TARP money isn’t finding it’s way to the political class in NYC, Boston, LA and DC would be naive.

Yours is a good post, Dio.

 
 
Comment by nycityboy
2010-07-20 08:23:19

You are wrong. All you need is a positive attitude and some kevlar and that makes perfect sense. Now don’t you feel silly?

Comment by CrackerJim
2010-07-20 12:28:22

Don’t forget the running shoes.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-07-20 06:10:44

‘This is going to be the lowest point in, let’s hope, the next 20 or 30 years,’ says Onur. ‘I don’t want to wait until two or three years down the line when I say, ‘Goddammit! I should have bought!’”

So what’s stopping you Onur? Jump in, buy one, hell buy two or three and become an RE multi-millionaire. RE is fix’n to explode again really soon.

Comment by combotechie
2010-07-20 06:19:34

Ummmm, I love these people. I hope they have lots of friends that feel the same way, lots of friends with lots of money.

These knifecatchers are the taxpayer’s best friends.

Comment by polly
2010-07-20 06:36:47

Banks that take 6 months to give people $26 a month lower permanent payments are keeping people from strategic defaults too. At least they are for 6 months.

Comment by combotechie
2010-07-20 06:40:32

No FB dollar should be allowed to escape.

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Comment by nycityboy
2010-07-20 08:24:24

Build a better FB trap and the world will wear a path to your door.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-07-20 06:12:55

‘This is going to be the lowest point in, let’s hope, the next 20 or 30 years,’ says Onur. ‘I don’t want to wait until two or three years down the line when I say, ‘Goddammit! I should have bought!’”

It’s an interesting series of comments from the article. It shows me one thing: The American Public has become like Pavlovian dogs when it comes to the FED’s manipulation of the money supply and markets. Every comment is the “bottom is in”, and there’s never been a better time to buy. It seems we heard that crap from the Realwhore’s in 2007-2008 because prices were down 10% from all-time highs. Then the prices really started falling and we were told it was the best time to buy.
Prices have fallen more since then, substantially.

Yet, the inflation-stimulated dogs keep waiting for the prices to “go back up”. Higher prices (i.e. debt) seems to be translated into greater “wealth”.
But look at History. The similar fiasco of the 1920’s to 30’s was a slow steady decline from the initial crash, with intermittent rises in euphoria. But the truth is plain. The “crash” was not a 1929-1932 event.
It ran from 1929 to 1941……….12 years. Then the war spending got everyone working and the State restricted supply and demand and RATIONING was the basis of the economy. After 1945, with the end of the war, and the expansion of families and the removal of government’s control over the economy………the great expansion started. So, in total, it was about 16 years of economic decline and great misery from a World War that finally ended. There was no “Inflating housing market”.
The latest market crash was 2007, after the real estate crash of 2006. It’s been 3 years………..but anyday now, things are going to turn around. But like Pavlovian dogs, we expect the stimulus to keep going like is was going before the chow wagon ran off the cliff.

Comment by ashii
2010-07-22 16:00:30

‘This is going to be the lowest point in, let’s hope, the next 20 or 30 years,’

I love hearing people say stuff like this, it always means the shit is about to hit the fan. I remember back in 2007 or so, people started buying condos in Oakland -there was an SF Chronicle feature about it - and all the buyers kept saying what good deals they were getting. I think those people paid $600-700K for a condo, ones that are worth probably $200-300 at best now.
Each city had a different bubble which commenced at different times. The LA bubble began later and is trying to hold on for dear life even after overall housing inventory in SoCal increased. The NYC bubble has been going on for 15 years now and will dissipate over time. Back in 2000, you could buy a good sized Tribeca loft for $500K, brand new. East Harlem for $400K+! Crazy.

 
 
Comment by Shelby
2010-07-20 06:42:00

Hey wait a tic-

I thought the NORTHEAST was doing just great in the RE market this summer…???

Comment by polly
2010-07-20 07:04:46

The idea that anyone ever spent $700K for a condo in Braintree has me a little sick to my stomach. My mother was always worried when I left my car in the T station in Braintree to go into Boston for the day. She vastly preferred that I go park in Brookline. Braintree was the location of the end of the red line, a large mall, and gang shootings.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-20 07:17:44

Mountain Man: What the hell you think you’re doin’?
Ed: Headin’ down river. A little canoe trip, headin’ for Braintry.
Mountain Man: Braintry?
Bobby: Sure, this river only runs one way, captain, haven’t you heard?
Mountain Man: You ain’t never gonna get down to Braintry.
Ed: Well, why not?
Mountain Man: ‘Cause. This river don’t go to Braintry. You done taken a wrong turn. See uh, this here river don’t go nowhere near Braintry.
Bobby: Where does it go, then?
Mountain Man: Boy, you are a lost one, ain’t ya?

Comment by Tommy Tommyville
2010-07-21 06:13:36

LOL! And I thought I was the only one. My folks moved to Boston about 12 years ago. When I first went to visit them (I was in my early 20’s at the time) I explored Beantown all day just hopping on and off the “T”. First time I saw the Braintree signs/maps I INSTANTLY thought about the Deliverance “Aintry” scene. “This here train don’t do anywhere near Braintree!!”.
I even contemplated once applying for a teaching position (high school) in a rural area. The thought of a bunch of hillbilly high school kids stopping me and saying, “This here hallway don’t go anywhere near the teacher’s lounge!” scared me!

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-07-20 08:10:40

We just head in from the Dedham or Norwood stations neither of which were problem free. I agree w/the Braintree condo price assessment. Gheesh, it’s not Dover or Wellesley.

Comment by polly
2010-07-20 08:47:42

Parking at T stations was for days you needed the flexibility of T schedules. For regular commuting days I usually parked at 128 station.

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Comment by WT Economist
2010-07-20 07:31:03

“She got a temporary modification in April that cut her monthly payment from $2,911 to $2,890. She admits it’s not much, but says she has little choice. ”

OK, why is anyone bothering with this. The cost of the paperwork and conference has to exceed the limited amount of money saved. That’s a reduction of 7 tents of one percent.

There is only one reason I can think of. Because the bank can report it modified a mortgage. That’s it. That’s all this is about. If it could have reduced the payment $1, it would have.

“‘Whatever the bank offers me,’ she told The News, ‘I will take it.’”

Which was probably the attitude she had when she refied in 2006.

Comment by polly
2010-07-20 08:54:35

The new payment might come out of some sort of formula. If it does and that formula is related to the program’s goals of getting people payments that are 31% of gross pay (insert polly’s standard rant of 31% of gross pay being way too high for people with any sort of real expenses like transportation, health care or child care), then this is just more proof that the program is hopelessly flawed. If for no other reason than because *if* that is what is happening, then it should take about 30 minutes to handle the whole thing from the moment the proof of income paperwork arrives.

 
 
Comment by jlurking
2010-07-20 07:34:19

yes, it certainly seems like nyc and evirons are still very overpriced. I don’t want dummies to start buying and delay a real plunge.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-20 07:41:40

Aren’t the dummies pretty much sidelined with the end of the $8K tax credit?

Oh, wait — I forgot about Subprime Sam’s low-down, federally-guaranteed FHA lending program…

 
Comment by nycityboy
2010-07-20 08:27:28

“I don’t want dummies to start buying and delay a real plunge.”

I know one dummy that won’t be buying. He looks a lot like me.

 
 
Comment by nycityboy
2010-07-20 08:25:44

My co-worker’s purchase in Joisey hit a snag. His accepted offer is $380k (NYCityBoy rolls his eyes). Unfortunately, the appraisal has come in at $350k. Oops! Something’s gotta give.

But I thought everybody wanted to live in Joisey and prices would never go down. Hey, that’s what our friends in Joisey told us.

Comment by polly
2010-07-20 08:49:53

All he has to do to get the deal done is put down an extra $30K of cash….oh, wait a second. Sorry.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-07-20 13:57:47

Or get the seller to agree to a reduced price of $350k.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-07-22 06:55:49

Tell him its his lucky day ….god shined his heavenly light on him to keep him safe from this terrible harm he was about to commit

he will love you for this………..nahhhhhhhh

 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-07-20 09:13:14

“That’s what happened to him. Back in April when the tax credit was on, he and his wife were moving to the area from Indiana and put in an offer on a house in Watertown. They lost out. It sold for $6,000 more than the asking price. Last month they found a similar house two blocks away and got it for $100,000 less, well below asking price. ‘We definitely got a better deal,’ Boas said.”

I almost passed out when I read this. An actual thinking buyer.

Comment by exeter
2010-07-20 09:28:54

On second thought, he seemed to benefit from circumstance.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-07-20 10:41:11

Yah, he was saved by another knifecatcher jumping in front of him to catch that particular knife in the chest.

Since he caught a little further down the line, the trajectory of the knifes has dropped, so he won’t get it in the chest. Maybe the groin.

Comment by nycityboy
2010-07-20 11:26:22

I think I would prefer the chest. But that’s just me.

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Comment by Shelby
2010-07-20 11:44:48

He should send the Purchaser that he “Lost out to” a freakn’ THANK YOU card!!

Bwaahh!! I

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-07-20 13:09:37

Last month they found a similar house two blocks away and got it for $100,000 less, well below asking price. ‘We definitely got a better deal,’ Boas said.”

Ok, calling him a “thinking buyer” may be going too far, but I must admit I was VERY happy to see the MSM publish the first inkling of the notion that tax-credit recipients actually got hosed and that the market got distorted by the credit.

If it plants the seed of the idea that it makes sense to wait, and get it for less later when the manipulation ends, that’s a very good thing.

Comment by denquiry
2010-07-20 13:39:40

I know two young people that bought houses and they are still waiting on their 8K checks. I wonder if the 8k checks are like the govt’s stated unemployment rate………illusory!

 
Comment by exeter
2010-07-20 15:55:03

Exactly my initial thought Prime_Is_Contained.

Thank you.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-07-20 16:51:41

Yes, more stories like this are most welcome. Four weeks ago general reports started to surface, but individual examples with graphic price detail like this are like sticks of dynamite on the trestle of inventory manipulation.

 
 
 
Comment by gwyneth
2010-07-20 14:06:20

it’s not time to make reg purchases, but what about short sales and Reo’s in ny?
are those starting to be negotiable with lenders yet? Around what percentage
of the unpaid mortgage loan is a good starting off point to offer, in general?
Queens seems to have its share of preforeclosures.

 
Comment by swguy
2010-07-20 18:25:48

Until the banks and builders get serious and really drop prices another 30% there will be no recovery.
Home prices are still way out of line for the income of most people. Look at the faces of people at new homes especially, it says it all the prices are still out of sight.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-07-20 22:55:47

The red hot summer sales season is a bust. You could stick a knife, a fork and a spoon in the housing market and serve it for dinner.

* The Wall Street Journal
* U.S. NEWS
* JULY 21, 2010

Housing Market Stumbles
Construction Slows, Inventories Build Amid Weak Job Growth, Tax-Credit End

By NICK TIMIRAOS and ROBBIE WHELAN

The housing market, whose collapse pulled the economy into recession in late 2007, is stalling again.

In major markets across the country, home sales are deteriorating, inventories of unsold homes are piling up and builders are scaling back construction plans. The expiration of a federal home-buyers tax credit at the end of April is weighing on the market.

On Tuesday, the U.S. Census Bureau said single-family housing starts in June fell by 0.7%, to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 454,000. The U.S. started 1.47 million homes in 2006, before the housing bubble popped.

Future construction looks even weaker. Permits for single-family starts fell 3% in June, following big declines in both May and April. “We’re hovering at post-World War II lows,” said Ivy Zelman, president of Zelman & Associates, a research firm.

Economists aren’t singling out one reason for the stalling housing market. A variety of factors have led to flagging confidence, they say, including sluggish labor markets, global economic turmoil and falling stock prices.

While the housing downturn dragged the economy into a recession nearly three years ago, now it is the economy that is pulling down housing, says economist Patrick Newport at IHS Global Insight. Without sustained job growth, the housing market likely won’t improve. That in turn will ricochet across manufacturing, retail and other trades heavily dependent on home building and consumer spending.

The Wall Street Journal’s quarterly survey of housing-market conditions in 28 major metropolitan areas shows that inventory levels have grown in many markets. But inventory fell in some of the weakest ones, including several Florida markets, Atlanta, and Charlotte, N.C.

At the end of June, inventory was up 33% from year-ago levels in San Diego, and by 19% and 15% in Los Angeles and Orange County, Calif., respectively, according to data compiled by John Burns Real Estate Consulting. Rising inventory can lead to price declines later.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-07-21 08:46:20

Deed-in -lieu of foreclosure
Next trend. What do you guys and gals think?
How fast do you think the banks will put these homes on the market?

 
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