Like Wile E. Coyote Going Off A Cliff
The Herald Tribune reports from Florida. “Like so many other new home builders, Adams Homes of Northwest Florida was left holding a lot of inventory in Sarasota and Charlotte counties when the housing market started its swoon heading into 2006. But like few others, the Gulf Breeze-based builder was able to survive that blow and has made a remarkable recovery. But Adams Homes is a relative babe in the woods in Sarasota and Charlotte counties, markets the company entered in late 2004 to take advantage of the Southwest Florida’s rampant flipping during the housing boom.”
“‘Everything was selling. That is the way it was at the time and we just continued to sell and sell and people thought they were going to flip forever because houses were going up $10,000 in value every month,’ said Nancy Carroll, the company’s North Port-based sales manager. ‘Since we build with $1,000 down they would come in with $10,000 and buy ten homes. It all came to a screeching halt in January of 2006 — and then they wouldn’t close on them.’”
The Palm Beach Post in Florida. “Sales of new homes jumped last month, but don’t get too excited: June still was the second-weakest month on records dating to 1963, the Commerce Department said. For June’s weak reading, there are plenty of culprits. ‘The biggest issue is the foreclosures and the short sales and what they’re doing to the appraisal value of homes,’ said Ray Puzzitiello, owner of Puzzitiello Builders in West Palm Beach and president of the Gold Coast Builders Association.”
“Not even rock-bottom mortgage rates, usually a reliable driver of sales, have done much to spur demand for homes. ‘People either have another house to sell, which they can’t sell, or they don’t have the down payment, or maybe their credit score isn’t perfect,’ Puzzitiello said.”
From Florida Today. “Foreclosure filings in Brevard County have dropped sharply this year. But the slowdown could be nothing more than a temporary reaction to changes in the filing procedures that took effect in February, and within a few months foreclosures could return to — or even surpass — previous high levels. ‘It just created a temporary dam, and these things have backed up,’ said Melbourne attorney Tom D. Waldron, who defends property owners in foreclosure cases.”
“The Florida Supreme Court earlier this year instituted changes in the state’s foreclosure process that may have prompted the slowdown in new filings. Over the past decade, mortgages have increasingly been packaged into Wall Street securities that were then sold and resold to different investors. Along the way, mortgage ‘notes,’ — the documents that show that a debt exists — often were misplaced or destroyed. Now, as part of a foreclosure filing a lender has to sign an affidavit saying they are in possession of the note.”
“‘That caused them to take thousands of foreclosure filings off the table and start all over,’ Waldron said of law firms representing lenders.”
The News Journal in Florida. ” CNNMoney.com ranks Deltona fourth in affordability among 25 cities across the country where residents ‘can see their incomes go the furthest.’ In her work at Prime Real Estate, which specializes in short sales, Julie Norton, a real estate broker who lives in Deltona, said transactions are closing for 50 to 60 percent less than what houses previously sold for in West Volusia. ‘Unfortunately because of the housing bubble we seem to be the foreclosure capital of the world, so things are definitely half-price these days,’ she said.”
From GoUpstate in Alabama. “Nick Wilmott bent down on the beach near the high-tide mark and touched one of the reddish-brown pads of oil. It had washed up overnight from the BP spill off Louisiana and had yet to be cleaned up by the machines that sweep the beaches here every night. ‘Here’s your problem,’ said Mr. Wilmott, president of the Baldwin County Association of Realtors. ‘What’s happening is buyers are just on hold and there are great deals, but they are saying, ‘We are going to wait and see what happens with the oil.’”
“Rusty and Deana Swanson of Thomasville, Ala., are among them. In late May, they had done everything except close on a three-bedroom condominium on the fourth floor in the Seawind building overlooking the gulf. As the oil spill dragged on, Ms. Swanson said she saw similar condominiums selling for far less than the $290,000 she had agreed to pay. She became worried that she wouldn’t be able to rent the apartment to help pay the mortgage, and that it would be worth less than what she was investing. The Swansons pulled the plug on the deal.”
“‘I’m not going to follow through with something when I am watching the prices plummet,’ said Ms. Swanson, a dietitian.”
The Atlanta Journal Constitution in Georgia. “Regulators on Friday shut down Jasper-based Crescent Bank & Trust, the 10th Georgia bank to fail in 2010, and the 40th since the banking crisis started two years ago. Crescent, like other failed Peach State lenders, succumbed to the collapse of the real estate market.”
“Crescent was a heavy lender to subdivision developers, strip retail centers and builders of vacation homes. From 2004 to 2008, Crescent doubled in size from $500 million in assets to $1 billion, fueled by a diet of real estate development loans. Problems started in 2007 with the collapse of the housing market.”
“Problem loans, those late, in default or foreclosed, grew from $14.8 million in June 2007 to $82.5 million a year later. Meanwhile, Crescent’s reserves plunged. The bank lost $13.7 million in the first quarter this year, after losses of more than $30 million in each of the past two years. ‘Unfortunately, timing is everything,’ said Chip MacDonald, a banking attorney at Jones Day.”
“Just before Bruce Gallman and Jerry Miller opened their $33 million-plus Castleberry Point project near downtown Atlanta in the fall of 2008, they thought they had 70 percent of the units sold. Nearly two years later, they consider themselves lucky to have sold 60 percent of the units. ‘We had a lot of pre-sales that walked away’ during the turbulent months after the October stock market crash and collapse of some Wall Street titans, said Gallman. Only a fifth of those original customers actually completed their deals, he said.”
“As the partners planned the project during the height of the real estate boom in 2006 and 2007, they expected the lofts to sell for $160,000 to $700,000 for the largest penthouse unit. In retrospect, the partners said as they stood on the top floor of the complex and showed off the penthouse units, rooftop pool and courtyard fountain far below, they should have left their dream on the drawing board.”
“‘If you had really known the depth of what was coming, you would have done nothing and stayed in cash,’ said Miller.”
“Miller said they were reluctant to lower prices. Some economists were predicting at the time that the economy would recover the following summer. ‘We thought we had brought [the project] out at the bottom of the market rather than the beginning of the crash,’ said Gallman. They would learn they were wrong.”
“By the summer of 2008, they were almost done. They had recruited many of their retail tenants. About 70 would-be buyers had paid deposits on loft units. When Napoleon Williams became the project’s second resident that fall, in a live-work unit that includes both his Vitesse eXchange clothing boutique and living quarters upstairs, he expected plenty of other neighbors, including two restaurants, a bookstore and a fitness center. He enjoyed the quiet at first. ‘I didn’t realize how bad it was,’ he said.”
The Sun News on South Carolina. “Grand Strand real estate sales are outpacing those in other parts of South Carolina but prices continue to fall at a faster rate than the state average, according to a report. The Grand Strand and other areas that also have many investor-buyers are following a similar pattern of low prices driving up sales, said Tom Maeser, a real estate analyst with the Coastal Carolinas Association of Realtors.”
“‘We saw probably more extreme price increases in 2005, 2006, 2007 because investors were buying properties and were bidding properties up,’ he said. ‘It seems only natural that we were the ones taking the bigger hits.’”
The Post and Courier in South Carolina. “Summerville homebuilder Arnold Goodstein remembers the exact moment that he grasped the severity of the Charleston area’s real estate market slowdown. It happened in 2007 during a routine meeting for his company, Summerville Homes, when a sales rep said the regional homebuilder had sold three homes the prior month.”
“‘The company had 3,000 lots and 30 subdivisions. I looked at him and said, ‘What do you mean we only sold three homes?’ Goodstein said at a court hearing Friday afternoon. ‘When (the real estate market) died, it died — like Wile E. Coyote going off a cliff.’”
“Recently, he asked a judge to convert his bankruptcy case from a Chapter 11 reorganization, which would give him a chance to propose a pay-back plan, to a Chapter 7 liquidation case, a telling move for a businessman who’s been described as aggressive and optimistic. ‘I’m 66 years old,’ he said after the hearing. ‘It’s time to put this behind me.’”
Things usually did not work out too well for the coyote.
Sign of the times!
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Thanks for that title Mr. Ben, you made mine & Mr. Cole’s day!
‘When (the real estate market) died, it died — like Wile E. Coyote going off a cliff.’
So far as I can tell, he is still hanging out there in thin air, over the abyss…
The feet have fallen, but the neck is stretching so you can still see the disbelieving look on his face.
I wonder what Tony Hayward is going to think when BP hands him a golden parachute - labeled “Acme”.
I believe that the administration has suggested an open on impact model.
Now, as part of a foreclosure filing a lender has to sign an affidavit saying they are in possession of the note.”
Oh, piffle. Florida requires all sorts of anti-fraud affidavits for this and that. What’s one more?
It’s funny how banks and other financial institutions decided to “save money” by creating an off-the-record system of deeds and notes. They would save a small fee of $100 or so by not properly recording deeds and notes each time they changed hands with the appropriate county recorder’s office.
Now I’ll bet most wish they had those thousands of documents properly recorded.
DennisN
MERS and the bankster gang just had another class action suit filed against them. This is claiming RICO and they’re aiming to shoot the lawyers as well as the REIC.
I posted it with a link to the lawsuit and it should pop up soon.
Ready for another shipwreck at Mers el Kebir?
(Obscure WWII history joke.)
Like so much of the rest of this nightmare, it worked until it stopped working.
How the Gulf became the nation’s toilet bowl.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/27/gulf.history.environment.toilet/
A chunk of wetlands the size of Manhattan floats away from the coast each year — about a football field of land, on average, every 45 minutes.
It’s ironic that people always talk about California sinking into the ocean after the next big quake. Actually the western US is rising due to plate techtonics - it’s the eastern US that’s gradually sinking into the ocean (e.g. Florida). The Mississippi delta is only the most visible example of the process.
“…to a Chapter 7 liquidation case, a telling move for a businessman who’s been described as aggressive and optimistic. ‘I’m 66 years old,’ he said after the hearing. ‘It’s time to put this behind me.’”
Yep, it’s time for him to kiss his assets good-bye.
Only the corporate assets.
I am sure most of his ass-ets are preserved…It was the “other-peoples-money” that was vaporized…
It’s our money, all of us, is paying for that thru the bail-out.
By the way, maybe I am a little early, but just bought a foreclosed
townhouse in Phoenix for 18K. If I net $350 / month in rent, it’ could be a good ROI.
Hope one of his kids has a spare room for Gramps in the basement ….!
“‘Everything was selling. That is the way it was at the time and we just continued to sell and sell and people thought they were going to flip forever because houses were going up $10,000 in value every month,’ said Nancy Carroll, the company’s North Port-based sales manager. ‘Since we build with $1,000 down they would come in with $10,000 and buy ten homes. It all came to a screeching halt in January of 2006 — and then they wouldn’t close on them.’”
There’s your trouble, right there. I wouldn’t close, either. Walking away from $1,000 is easy, I’ve done that a time or two in my life.
In fact I walked away from a lease-option deal after living in the home for a year and discovering that the neighborhood was a nightmare. Best $2400 I ever lost.
Good job dodging the bullet!
We rented in a neighborhood we would have considered buying in if we hadn’t rented there for two and a half years. That rent was money well spent as well. (Especially since RE was collapsing the whole time we rented)
I think it would be interesting to see mortgage documents that require people to rent for at least year in the property they intend to buy before closing. (Never happen, but it would be interesting). Give them some time to discover any hidden deficiencies in the property, neighborhood, etc.
I’d settle for a weekend…
When a bunch of condos in Rockville Town Center started to “rent to own” I considered going in and asking how much of a discount I could get on the rent if I agreed to give up the owning option. Thought it would be a good way to prove that the whole purpose was to get people to think they were “walking away” from an already accrued downpayment when it was really a way to just get them to close on the condo at last years price.
Yep, the builders mispriced those put options.
I think you meant call options, not puts.
In some cases, I have heard that most sellers were giving cash back at close so the call options on housing were essentially free.
Didn’t Casey Serin buy his dozen houses with nothing down? I wonder if Casey even put $10K into his “real estate empire”.
No kidding. That’s chump change when you compare it to the losses they’d take by following through on the purchase.
Speculators “buying” 10 houses for $10k. Yeah that going South in a hurry is sure “unexpected.” I mean, nobody could have seen the problems with that.
Adams’ original development area is majority military sales, and the folks in uniform actually have to be somewhat more financially responsible than the general population. If they aren’t, they’ve got reprecussions that range from getting trouble with their commanding officer to even getting their security clearance yanked. Which is why a lot of landlords prefer military renters despite the downside of ending a lease early when one of them gets PCS orders five months into a one year lease.
When Adams ventured out of their original military core area and into regions where there wasn’t that extra layer of buyer accountability, it sounds like some sort of innocents abroad getting eaten by gators deal.
Gang, you haven’t seen anything yet. The investors in SW Florida have stopped buying. Whatever is in the pipeline they will close on now, but the majority of the real estate investors have said “no mas” as they are still waiting on clarifications under the upcoming tax law reversion back to the old rates plus the impact of FinReg on their ability to profitably purchase the empty homes. Cape Coral is about to hit the second phase of the foreclosure crisis ($300K+ current value), Naples is experiencing a high end ($750K +) bout of foreclosures, and many other cities are now seeing the slopover of CRE problems impacting the developers who in some cases actually used their personal homes via mortgages (2nds and 3rds) to get the base financing for CRE projects which were sold out in 2007 at inception, but now are empty shells.
The Q4 2010 and 2011 bloodbaths will be here soon enough.
Good info John…Thanks…
Thank you…. honesty is refreshing.
John,
What about condos down there? I’ve seen 2 bedroom condos going for as low as $35-40K. I’ve not actually looked at any in person, just stuff on craigslist.
I go down to Florida several times a year as it is. Each time I’m there I’m out at least $600/700 a week for a condo rental. Even with HOAs and taxes seems like an OK investment. If I can rent it out a few weeks a year I could probably even make some money.
And if I had a place my own, I could see spending a good chunk of the winter there.
I’d be paying cash.
Thoughts?
Do your due diligence.
Even though the condo price may be dirt cheap, you have to consider the ownership of the other units.
You don’t want to be in a situation where a small percentage of the units are paying for 100% of the common area upkeep and expenses: things like streetlights, landscaping, and common capital items. Banks and fb’s are notorious for not paying the association dues.
Also, make sure you really like the unit. You don’t have as many exit strategies because from what I hear anecdotally, it’s nearly impossible to get a mortgage on condos in Florida. Once you buy it, you’re going to have to live with it for a long time.
Watching the fenders, wheels, transmission and rear end fall off of Florida housing is hilarious.
Yep, thought of the HOA issue and the fact it will be hard to sell.
I am a real estate broker associate in Cape Coral / Fort Myers area (also hold license for almost 20 years in NY.) Yes the prices are real even if the units are not pristine. Associations are in trouble, but some are in better shape than others (FL law restricts how much associations can get in back HOA dues on forclosed units, this has devastated collections.) The most pain has been seen in far flung communities with little employment (Lehigh Acres) and misguided policies (Cape Coral) but the deals are real and I have made them but pie in the sky cash flow just is not happening, the repair costs are always an issue, the tax system is draconian, and the construction is…well, I have 4 year old homes under management that are cracking in half, lets just leave it at that. Call me if you like, we’ll hook ya up..631-835-3300
Another realtwhore trying to make a buck. We don’t trust any of you!!! I was never stupid enough to believe anything you liars had to say
Greetings
I’m not sure if this has been posted but here’s another Class Action Case against the Mortgage/Lender Gang and the shysters that created MERS( Mortgage Electonic Registry Systems to transfer mortgages quick and dirty without walking them to the old courthouse and filing them properly. The FHA, Fanny and Freddie Boyz were also linked to the creation and use of MERS.
I don’t know if it will fly but this is Big Time America and they’re talking RICO violations. I have been interested in the MERS mischief for a couple of years now.
Here’s just a tad…
“Beginning in or about 1999, the Defendant Firm joined with Defendant Merscorp, Inc., and other conspirators in the fraudulent scheme and RICO enterprise herein complained of. The employees of the Defendant Firm, including many licensed attorneys, have become skilled in using the artifice of MERS to sabotage the judicial process to the detriment of borrowers, and, over the past several years, have routinely relied upon MERS to do just that.”
http://tinyurl.com/2fd5yth
I am still waiting for the drop in Pinellas. Is there a special type of collusion here? I mean, does the banking cartel have the ability to extra-special restrict foreclosure releases in one geographic area?
I’m wishing for Lee County-type numbers here…
I can’t imagine you haven’t seen a considerable drop in Pinellas. I was lucky enough to get to drive around there last month, and it has tons of foreclosures/vacant/abandoned houses. Yes, the lenders play each area like a fiddle, and it only makes sense. In Phoenix they are dumping houses by the thousands, while in smaller markets up here, they dribble them out.
These asset managers are doing what they are paid to do; maximize the return in each market. As for Lee Co numbers, IMO you’ll get there but with the short term pain that accompanies such a wipe out. Remember that as the comps are driven down, more find themselves underwater and walk away. If you haven’t seen serious price declines yet, many more defaults are just a matter of time.
I should qualify that — there have been *SERIOUS declines in certain areas. I am in no hurry, but it would be nice to see some better stuff out there. I am currently interested in seeing the abandoned house I live next to, but my realtor can’t get anyone to let us in.
That listing expired over a year ago.
Believe me, I see the abandoned homes everywhere, but they aren’t for sale and nobody knows what the deal with them is.
Are you able to figure out who the ‘owner’ is from public records?
“Are you able to figure out who the ‘owner’ is from public records?”
Yup, and their other house is abandoned, too. At least we get to use their driveway for guest parking.
Ben,
Asset managers “managing” their portfolios exactly supports my observation that the collapse is regional and asynchronous. It also falsely supports the deluded when they say “prices haven’t declined here, we’re not Florida” or variations of that stupidity.
Anyways, IF the banking elite ordered their managers to liquidate and develop 15/30 year AAA paper the fixed income market could actually rely and build on, the doors would blow off the entire property tax extortion racket across the country. There’d be riots and lynchings at assessors offices.
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“following a similar pattern of low prices driving up sales”
I’ll be a monkey’s uncle, who would of thunk that low prices would drive up sales!
I live in Arizona and am looking to buy a house in Fountain Hills soon. Arizona was hit one of the hardest during the housing bubble burst. I worry about the value of buying a home versus renting sometimes. I know prices are low and its a good time to buy, but i have concerns that it is not a good investment at this time. What do you think?
Lots and lots of homes for sale there in Fountain Hills, and this is not a seller’s market. Wait it out, rent, and save money; two more years at a minimum, IMHO.
Eric:
If you want to use that stupid term “Investment” Then understand what the real use of the word means
Can you make a PROFIT per month..by renting the house out….If not then the price is still to high.
“Investment” means Cash flow POSITIVE….not negative.