August 10, 2010

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Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 04:03:20

`Buy and Bail’ Homeowners Get Past Mortgage Hurdles From Fannie, Freddie

Harvey Collier, a mortgage broker in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, says he gets as many as 10 calls a month from people planning to default on their loans. The twist: They first want financing to buy another home.

Real estate professionals call it “buy and bail,” acquiring a new house before the buyer’s credit rating is ruined by walking away from the old one because it’s “underwater,” or worth less than the mortgage. It’s an attempt to escape payments on a home whose value may never recover while securing a new property, often at a lower price with a more affordable loan.

The practice, which constitutes fraud if borrowers lie on loan applications, is continuing even after Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the biggest U.S. mortgage-finance companies, beefed up standards to prevent it, according to brokers such as Collier and Meg Burns, senior associate director for congressional affairs and communications at the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Whether driven by greed or desperation, the persistency of buy and bail underscores the lingering impact of the worst housing crash since the Great Depression.

Comment by Kim
2010-08-10 08:44:45

It would be a fairly simple fix for government to put a stop to that. They’d could pass a law saying something to the effect that the deficiency judgement may be attached as a lein to any other property purchased within, say, one year before to two years after the NOD. It could even be attached to a property in the spouse’s name if the marriage occurred prior to the purchase of both properties.

Something tells me the REIC wouldn’t want this passed. Realtors and mortgage brokers lose out on commissions. A buyer is a buyer to them. More buyers to prop up prices. The loan will be passed on anyway, for someone else to take the hit. J6P probably doesn’t want to see this passed either, because it favors the “rich lenders” and offers no direct and immediate benefits for him.

Comment by DinOR
2010-08-10 09:01:41

Kim,

Nothing ‘new’ about Buy & Bail, why in FL they’ve been doing it since ‘06! ( Can you believe they haven’t plugged that hole yet? )

Yeah and day after day we have to catch an earful over the slightest new development in EvilMegaBank’s latest version of the shell game, but this ( fairly impactful ) post was almost completely ignored.

How can there ever be healing in the MBS channel when scams like this appear to be openly invited? Stop it at the source I’ve always said? ( And you can see how far it’s gotten me? )

Comment by cactus
2010-08-10 09:21:09

Nothing ‘new’ about Buy & Bail, why in FL they’ve been doing it since ‘06! ( Can you believe they haven’t plugged that hole yet? )”

I know 2 people who did this back in 1995 in CA

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Comment by mathguy
2010-08-10 09:32:08

I’ve actually been getting angrier and angrier about Fannie/Freddie over the past few days. They are originating 95% of new mortgages. Why in THE HELL are the 2 biggest failures in our entire country in charge of 95% of the market!?! It is this and nothing else that is currently perpetrating the greatest fraud against the US taxpayer. Without this vehicle, there is no avenue for MBS. Without the MBS generated by F/F there is no vehicle for the Fed to buy “assets”. Stop Fannie/Freddie NOW!!! I’m actually ready to take time off work and go sit in front of the courthouse in San Diego with a stop Fannie/Freddie sign. If anyone is organizing, I’m in.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-08-10 10:31:20

cactus/mathguy,

Right, and not saying that “taking to the streets” is necessarily a bad position ( we ’should’ be angry as hell! ) but this is exactly what happens when we refuse to consider cramdowns!

How predictable was ‘this’? They’re going to get one ( one way or the other! ) So we can weather the moral haz. and pretend everything was above board or.., and invite more chaos, or we can be adults about this?

But as noted above ( cramdowns don’t generate REIC-Revenue )

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2010-08-10 10:49:55

Gee whiz,

You don’t want the economy to improve and you are all for denying pretty new houses for our undocumented guests.

Uncaring and racist - how redneck Republican of you

/Obot dogma OFF/

 
Comment by Timmy Boy
2010-08-10 11:56:04

Organize a protest… & have Ben post it.

I, for one, would be there. I’m sure many others would be as well.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-08-10 12:28:21

Ditto, mathguy. My neighbor is a mortgage broker and says she is the busiest she’s been in about 3 years. The madness continues…

 
Comment by Kim
2010-08-10 15:23:03

“My neighbor is a mortgage broker and says she is the busiest she’s been in about 3 years.”

With refis, most likely.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 15:36:50

Fannie and Freddie are performing the same role as the RTC did during the S&L disaster.

Surely don’t want the poor, poor banks to eat their own loses, do you?

 
 
 
Comment by Reuven
2010-08-10 11:06:49

“It would be a fairly simple fix for government to put a stop to that. ”

Our Government is simply not interested in going after homedebtors who committed fraud.

They feel like going after people who may get some sympathy from their friends and neighbors may cost them votes.

It’s a shame, though, because trillions of dollars–no exaggeration–are being wasted on handouts and accommodations to the deadbeat middle class who lied on mortgage applications.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-10 13:44:57

As long as they didn’t like on the mortgage application, they didn’t commit fraud. If they had added “Do you plan on defaulting on any other loans in the next two years” to the mortgage application and these guys said no, THEN they might have a case.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 15:38:41

Our Government is simply not interested in going after homedebtors who committed fraud.

Wrong. The FBI is currently prosecuting a record number of cases and is, in fact, overwhelmed and underfunded in this area.

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Comment by denquiry
2010-08-10 18:47:44

deadbeat middle class who lied on mortgage applications.
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UHHHHH…..aren’t the banks obligated to verify and screen information on mortgage application loans? Not supporting lying but the bank has the upper hand when it comes to approving loans.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 21:46:40

“…aren’t the banks obligated to verify and screen information on mortgage application loans?”

If you were a lender making federally guaranteed mortgage loans, would you incur the cost of verification, given that you knew you would be made whole anyway if the borrower defaulted?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 04:05:08

Fed report: Recession more likely than expansion over next two years
Sacramento Business Journal

The San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank says a recession is more likely than an expanding economy during the next 18 to 24 months, according to the closely watched bank’s economic letter released Monday.

Declining consumer confidence and spending, and slower-than-needed hiring by private companies are greatly increasing the odds of a double-dip recession within the next two years, though an immediate drop into another recession seems unlikely, according to the report that looked at leading economic indicators.

“Any forecast 24 months into the future is very uncertain,” said the report by researchers Travis Berge, a graduate student at the University of California Davis, and Oscar Jorda, a UC Davis professor and visiting scholar at the San Francisco Fed. “At two years out, the odds of recession vary from almost three times more likely than expansion, to expansion being almost five times more likely than recession.”

Comment by Jerry
2010-08-10 11:58:28

There has been no “real recovery” The trillion dollars given to the banks to keep them from going under is all gone. They still have bad loans on the books! New raised taxes won’t put a dent on this.
Most states,except 3 are insolvent as well and will cut their budgets and lay off state workers. Perhaps the 26 billions given to the states will be a “short stop gap” but will fail. Can not keep printing money fast enough to cover the holes in the dam. Now deflation, then the dam overflows with worthless paper causing mass inflation. Public kept in dark as few study history and believe this time is differant. Old timers who knew,experienced history are all gone and so is “common sense” held but by a few today.

Comment by CA renter
2010-08-11 01:48:28

Good post, Jerry.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-08-10 12:07:13

As long as the stock market can remain at a permanently high plateau, and the upper crust continue their stranglehold on money and power, it’s all good.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 15:42:10

It’s nice to see some of the MSM are getting the direct connection between a 75% consumer driven economy and lack of sales due to unemployment.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 04:35:12

Fed Efforts to Spur Growth May Move Markets More Than Economy
Aug 10, 2010

Federal Reserve policy makers meeting today may find the market reaction to any announcement of steps to spur growth will be bigger than the impact on the economy.

Options outlined last month by Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke include providing more information about the Fed’s pledge to maintain record-low interest rates, reducing the rate it pays on banks’ reserve deposits and sustaining or expanding the size of the balance sheet.

“If they’re small scale, the direct effects are relatively small,” said Marvin Goodfriend, a former research director at the Richmond Fed. “But to the extent that they signal the Fed’s concerns and what direction they are, and the Fed’s willingness to take actions given the signal of their concerns, they could have big effects.”

Investors would see new Fed efforts as foreshadowing more dramatic steps to come, including large-scale asset purchases, said Goodfriend, a professor at Carnegie Mellon University’s Tepper School of Business in Pittsburgh. Weaker job gains at U.S. companies since April and a slowdown in growth last quarter are among signs the recovery is stalling, increasing pressure for more Fed easing.

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-10 04:51:33

The Fed to spur movement, the President’s strategy for economic recovery is a stool.

Is there a theme here?

“Fed Efforts to Spur Growth May Move Markets More Than Economy’
Aug 10, 2010

The White House Blog
Help for homeowners
Posted by Macon Phillips on February 18, 2009 at 09:36 AM EDT
The President’s strategy for economic recovery is a stool with several legs, as he’s said, and one of them is solving the foreclosure crisis.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 07:49:52

Comparing this economic recovery to stool seems appropriate to me.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-10 09:10:58

I’m flush with optimism.

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Comment by packman
2010-08-10 09:46:49

Bowled us over with that one!

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-08-10 11:56:05

Eliminate the Fed

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 15:43:42

It seems wiped out to me.

 
 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-08-10 04:56:08

including large-scale asset purchases

Oh, that’s nice.

Does this perhaps bother anyone else besides me?

Just think about this statement for a minute. In the interest of “financial stability” we’re selling the pieces of the country to an entity that has all the power of the federal government, but nearly zero oversight.

(Noting of course that the Federal Reserve currently already owns about $2T of U.S. assets)

Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-10 05:53:01

IMHO the problem is that they’ve PAID $2T for assests worth $1-1.5T.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-10 05:57:05

They paid $2T for assets worth NOTHING!!!

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-10 09:15:57

All you guys worry too much….

The banksters put 2 trillion dollars in a pile and burned it. The Fed/US Government is trying to replace it.

It’s bankruptcy without actually declaring bankruptcy. No need to clog up the courts with all those messy details like who loses their shirt, which creditor or stockholder gets stiffed, etc.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-10 09:48:49

The banksters put 2 trillion dollars in a pile and burned it. The Fed/US Government is trying to replace it.

All fine and good if those $$ existed in the first place - but they didn’t - they were created out of thin air on the frontside of the bubble. So they shouldn’t be replaced.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-08-11 01:50:41

Amen, packman.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-08-10 06:02:20

Yes that stinks too.

Keep in mind however this isn’t like some corporation that’s buying up stuff. When that happens a corporation has to get the money from somewhere first - i.e. by providing goods or services (TARP/bailouts aside). This isn’t the case for the Federal Reserve however - they don’t have to get the money from anywhere - they just create it!! They’re accumulating a lot of stuff, but providing zero goods or services in return. They’re giving “money”, but it’s not money that was earned by them, and all it’s serving to do is water down the value of the rest of the money in the system.

Anyone else see something morally wrong - like really, really wrong - with this picture?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-10 10:22:08

“…a corporation has to get the money from somewhere first…”

That’s my exact point! I am very concerned about corporations which have a license to buy with assets created from thin air using virtual printing press technology.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-10 10:35:41

We’re talking specifically banks, right?

Not aware of non-bank corporations having money presses - if so can you expound?

At least with commercial banks they’re bound (supposedly) by the rules of fractional lending and reserves. The Fed has no such obstacles.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-10 11:56:20

“We’re talking specifically banks, right?”

More specifically, central banks, as so far as I am aware, they have monopoly rights to create fiat money.

You might be interested in this movie if you haven’t seen it:

Die Fälscher

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-10 13:11:30

I’ll have to check that out sometime - thanks.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 13:37:35

I am very concerned about corporations which have a license to buy with assets created from thin air using virtual printing press technology.

Now Mr. Bear, as you well know…music needs the space between the notes also! :-)

Goodwill was originally used to reflect the fact that an ongoing business had some “prudent value” beyond its assets, such as the reputation the firm enjoyed with its clients.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-10 14:26:41

“…music needs the space between the notes also!”

If you saw the movie Amadeus, then you realize that music can some times have too many notes.

I suspect the same holds in banking, for the case of bank notes that is…

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 14:30:27

If you saw the movie Amadeus, then you realize that music can some times have too many notes.

Yeah, and that made Mozart’s music too ha-a-a-ard to play.

BTW, the same thing was said about Beethoven’s works when they were still brand new.

And Beethoven was just as much of a show-off at the keyboard as Mozart. It was his way of one-upping his contemporaries and saying, “Well, I can play this piece, so why can’t you idiots do it?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 15:21:53

So, I reckon then that “TrueValue™” “Goodwill” valuation between the Private FED Corporation & the US Government is…priceless? ;-)

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-08-10 16:57:44

At least Beethoven didn’t have to listen to his
own music…..laughing

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2010-08-10 06:09:41

What’s 1/2 a T between friends?

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-10 06:22:12

you are being too generous in your estimates, unless the FED can get the inflation train back on track.

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-10 07:19:54

Of course the problem is the NOBODY has any reasonable idea what the ROI on those assets will be if held to term. Heck, many of them are thinly traded and/or close enough to unique that even a current market value is difficult to estimate. I have no way of knowing whether I was being generous or not in my estimate of the “value”* of these assets.

*put in quotes not because I believe that the assets are without value, but because there are several different possible things meant by the term value.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 15:47:54

When you allow “mark-to-fantasy,” what does it matter?

I say this pig in the poke is worth a beelion dollars! Voila’! It is now worth a beelion dollars.

 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-10 05:55:45

I wish they would come to my house and buy some of my bad assets.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-08-10 06:00:30

I hear ya, pack. Obama got up onto his bully pulpit and claimed that there would be no more bank bailouts. Ha. They’ll just dig Fannie and Freddie out of a hole, and F&F can promptly dig themselves into a new hole bailing out the banks. Nice try, Barack.*

[obligatory Obamabot]
Actually this sounds more like Summers and bank lobbyists and too-big-to-fail hostage talk. I don’t see Obama himself doing this deliberately.
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reducing the rate it pays on banks’ reserve deposits

is that the one where they borrow from the Fed (Treasury?) and at low rates and lend it back to the Treasury (Fed?) at high rates, or do i have it reversed? Because I don’t like that kind of special treatment either. Why can’t i do that with my checking account?

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 07:51:13

Actually this sounds more like Summers and bank lobbyists and too-big-to-fail hostage talk. I don’t see Obama himself doing this deliberately.

Is your stash medicinal or homegrown? It sure must be good stuff.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-08-10 08:07:08

Well… ‘technically’ F & F aren’t ‘banks’?

So it’s all good!

 
 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2010-08-10 06:23:11

“including large-scale asset purchases

Oh, that’s nice.

Does this perhaps bother anyone else besides me? ”

Under the letter of the law which sold out our financial system to “The Federal Reserve Bank”, the ONLY assets the Fed can buy are U.S. Government securities.

However, since the Fed now finds it convenient and profitable to monetize, buy, sell, and inventory any defaulted or non-performing mortgage security or financial instrument from anywhere; the law doen’t matter anymore.

As you can see, breaking the law every single day is not an issue for the Fed. They own the D.A., police department, and judges.

The population simply shrugs and says whatever these enlightened financial experts have to do to clean up the mess they created temselves, it’s all OK. We trust them. After all, look at the great job they’ve done lately…

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 06:57:03

‘Under the letter of the law which sold out our financial system to “The Federal Reserve Bank”, the ONLY assets the Fed can buy are U.S. Government securities….breaking the law every single day is not an issue for the Fed.’

If your accusation is correct, then who could and would stop them?

Or do they basically operate in the rarified atmosphere above any Rule of Law, as I have long asserted?

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Comment by packman
2010-08-10 06:58:43

Or do they basically operate in the rarified atmosphere above any Rule of Law, as I have long asserted?

Let’s just say Chuck Yeager’s got nothing on them.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 06:53:10

“…we’re selling the pieces of the country to an entity that has all the power of the federal government, but nearly zero oversight.”

The parts of the equation that bother me are:

(1) How is this entity is paying for the pieces of the country that it buys?

(2) Given its monopoly power, how can it know it is paying a fair price?

(3) Is this level of market intervention even legal?

(4) Does money grow on trees?

Comment by packman
2010-08-10 06:57:36

1. It’s not
2. We can’t
3. No
4. Yes

(or more accurately - in trees, i.e. pulp)

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Comment by GH
2010-08-10 17:02:11

(or more accurately - in trees, i.e. pulp)

Actually…

Not quite trees, but 75% cotton and 25% linen

Or even more accurately, 11001010100111010 …

 
 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-08-10 05:03:53

“Weaker job gains at U.S. companies since April and a slowdown in growth last quarter are among signs the recovery is stalling, increasing pressure for more Fed easing.”

Which means a commitment to keeping money cheap. Cheap money means less interest expense for highly indebted companies. Such companies get to show increases in profits due to less interest expense.

Note: These companies won’t be showing profits due to increased revenues, due to increase sales; they will be showing profits due to decreased expenses. Refinancing their debts - trading in their expensive debts for cheaper ones - trims a lot of expenses. Add to this trimming of their debt expense the trimming of their work force (something that can be done due to revenues falling off) will furthur decrease expenses.

Which means a heavily indebted company (which is probably most of them) can show an increased profit year-after-year even though operating income is shrinking year-after-year.

And they can keep on doing this until they can’t cut any more expenses, at which point they will need to depend on operating income to survive. But operating income probably won’t be enough because by this time the company will have cut itself to the bone and operating income will have gone the way of disappearing revenues. So then the company has no choice but to fold itself up and go out of business.

Comment by Spook
2010-08-10 05:08:53

“But operating income probably won’t be enough because by this time the company will have cut itself to the bone and operating income will have gone the way of disappearing revenues. So then the company has no choice but to fold itself up and go out of business.”

John Barley corn must die.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 06:58:53

I just put you on my Joshua Tree no-show list.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 09:59:50

John Barley corn

“TrueSpooky™”

“We Plough the Fields and Scatter”, is often sung at GoldenmanSucks Harvest Festivals :-)

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-10 05:59:37

Note: These companies won’t be showing profits due to increased revenues, due to increase sales; they will be showing profits due to decreased expenses. Refinancing their debts - trading in their expensive debts for cheaper ones - trims a lot of expenses. Add to this trimming of their debt expense the trimming of their work force (something that can be done due to revenues falling off) will furthur decrease expenses.

Cutting costs has been Job 1 for Corporate America for the past 10 years (if not more). The financial media have been lamenting the loss of Mark Hurd at HP as the loss of a genius. The guy was no Steve Jobs, all he did was fire people and cut costs. HP sales did grow, but it was not organic as HP used its cash reserves to buy companies on the cheap (and then lay off even more people)

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 15:52:48

30 years. Ever heard the term “corporate raider?” SOP was to execute a hostile takeover then slash and burn, then resell.

Blackstone is the current world champion of this.

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Comment by packman
2010-08-10 06:05:22

Note: These companies won’t be showing profits due to increased revenues, due to increase sales; they will be showing profits due to decreased expenses. Refinancing their debts - trading in their expensive debts for cheaper ones - trims a lot of expenses.

Yes.

And then what happens when interest rates go back up again? (Or even don’t continue falling)

(P.S. Also see federal government)

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 07:49:28

Note: These companies won’t be showing profits due to increased revenues, due to increase sales; they will be showing profits due to decreased expenses. Refinancing their debts - trading in their expensive debts for cheaper ones - trims a lot of expenses. Add to this trimming of their debt expense the trimming of their work force (something that can be done due to revenues falling off) will furthur decrease expenses.

Speaking as someone who has shown profits in years where revenue was down, I can tell you that this strategy only works for so long. Why? Because you can only cut costs so much. Sooner or later, you have to start growing revenue.

 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-08-10 05:13:24

Play by play just like Japan 20 years ago. ZIRP and plenty of stimulus and idiotic government projects. Subsidies to maintain the status quo at any cost (cash for clunkers, $8K housing bribe). Look where that got Japan 20 years later. Declining incomes and unemployment, record government debt (200% of GDP), unfunded liabilities and an aging population. A recipe for disaster in many western economies. Governments tend to hold the course until some event in the bond market forces their hand, see Greece and other deadbeats. Who will bail the US out?

Comment by packman
2010-08-10 08:01:28

FWIW - Japan didn’t do nearly as much stimulus/QE as we have. They didn’t do any QE until about 2002. We’ve taken a much more rapid and strong Keynesian approach.

We’ll see how it pans out.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-10 11:52:36

Yes we will, oh yes we will. One way or the other.*

* beware premature declarations of victory

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 15:54:55

Not just an aging population, but one that isn’t able to replace itself either.

Japan is slowly depopulating.

And guess what? Without immigration, legal or illegal, so are we.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-10 16:58:41

What is a worse prospect: No young people or a bunch of tatooed-up punks with their pants around their ankles?

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 18:27:39

Tough call.

I’d have to say tattooed punks are worse.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-08-11 01:56:40

I’d have to agree.

 
 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 06:05:48

To ease or not to ease..Inflate or deflate..Damed if you do, damed if you don’t…

Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-10 06:40:06

Chuck ponzi would be proud of the fed.

Comment by denquiry
2010-08-10 19:10:30

Madoff = fed light

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-10 06:48:04

Financial Fascism.

I was thinking about the FED this morning and the role Greenspud and Bernikki have played in destroying our businesses for the sake of posting larger bank profits. I remember when the great moron, Cramer, was ranting about the FED needing to “open the window”, so his wallstreet buddies could pull out lots of free money with which to trade. The “fianancial crisis” was coming upon us for some time.

But, i have been thinking that we have given to much credit for the economic demise to Mr. Magoo, and too little to this Harvard schooled imbecile, Bernanke. It was Bernanke, who in 2004, while a member of the Board of Governors of the Fed wrote about the “Great Moderation”, that the System they had devised, had led to permanent financial stability. He wrote earlier about the ability of the FED to prevent deflation by dropping money from helicopters, if needed, to keep the price of the dollar down and assets/commodities, up. He also has written extensively about the reason the Great Depression was so devastating was that the FED was not accommodative enough. The FDR FED, tightened too early to bring a balanced budget, just when the economy was starting to turn around.
Although this idiot has been WRONG concerning EVERY economic pronouncement he has uttered, he has been in charge now, for about 4 years, and was a leading actor at the FED from 2002-2005. He was wrong about the housing bubble, saying that we never had a national decline in housing prices. Of course not. WE never had housing prices go up 200% without wages going with them. WE never had “securitization” and “Financial innovation” that Greenspud praised.
He was wrong about the direction of the economy, and he is wrong in his policies. But the world sits and waits, with baited breath, for his “wisdom” in every utterance of Fedspeak.

What i have come to conclude is that as the FED-watchers consider the moves of the Central Bank to manipulate the economy, is that the Greenspan “put” was superceded by the Bernanke Blast. I now believe that even as Wallstreet and Bankster shenanigans hit an all-time high with the blessing of the Greenspan FED, the over-the-top gambling got a big kick when Bernanke took the helm.
I could be wrong, and i haven’t seen the contracts between all the playerz, nor will anyone here, but i have to believe that when a FED Chairman is constantly promoting “accommodating” the gamblers, then no bet is too stupid to make. After all, that’s about all this guy has been promoting. He stands ready at the helm to run the ship aground, at full speed, just to make sure we are keeping on course.
The course runs right through some coral reefs and rocky shoals, but we mus’n't go backward, we must keep moving forward…..
Every pronouncement an error, but still this man is at the wheel.
we are doomed.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 15:59:45

This country became a fascist corptacracy the day corporations were declared “persons” by the Supreme Court back in 1862.

Did you know that every government body in this country, from the village to the state, are heavily invested in Wall St.? And that most of the pressure to cut costs, especially labor costs, have come from these investors?

Starting to get the picture?

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-08-11 01:58:54

Excellent post, diogenes.

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-08-10 08:47:44

Seems like politicians wishing to get re elected better start doing the bidding of the FED.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 04:37:21

Chief Executives in U.S. Less Confident on Jobs, Survey Shows
Aug 10, 2010

Confidence among U.S. chief executive officers fell this quarter for the first time in a year as their outlook on sales, employment and the economy weakened, a private survey showed.

The Young Presidents’ Organization’s gauge of sentiment fell to 57.5 in July from 61 in April, according to the Dallas- based group. A reading higher than 50 shows more chief executives had a positive outlook than a negative one.

Sixty-two percent of CEOs surveyed said they plan to hold employment steady in the coming year, while fewer officials expect to boost staff. Companies hired fewer workers than forecast in July, a Labor Department report showed last week.

“Employment growth in the United States is likely to remain in neutral for the foreseeable future,” David Maney, spokesman for the survey and chairman and co-founder of Headwaters MB, an investment bank in Denver, said in a statement.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 16:02:21

+/-400,000 new UE claims each months is not “neutral.”

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 04:43:06

U.S. House Set to Pass State Aid as Lawmakers Return From Break
Aug 10, 2010 (Reuters)

U.S. House members are returning to Washington from summer recess to act on a $26 billion plan to aid cash-strapped state governments amid concerns the economy is stalling as November’s congressional elections approach.

Lawmakers convene today for anticipated passage of a Senate-passed bill aimed at preventing thousands of layoffs of teachers and other government employees. Republican House leaders oppose the measure; President Barack Obama scheduled a morning appearance in the White House Rose Garden to appeal for approval.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 05:24:00

No Public Union Left Behind

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 05:26:07

Oh, and this is going to backfire on the Democrats in a huge way. The Republicans might stink but contrary to what Exeter, Oxide and Mikey think the Democrats aren’t any better. They have that vote buying machine cranked to the, “oh $hit” setting and have no intentions of letting up until it blows a bearing and the whole f—ing thing goes up in a pile of smoke.

I am still amazed how many around me can’t see that this will continue to be disastrous for housing. I have people asking me when we are buying. All I say to them is, “have we met?”

Comment by OK_Land_Lord
2010-08-10 08:48:49

I concure NYCityBoy.

Im conservative in nature, however will not toe the party line, just because. Both sides have only a few that I have respect for, there is a defanate need for term limits.

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Comment by exeter
2010-08-10 16:32:12

“Im conservative in nature, however will not toe the party line, just because.”

And you posted this doozy expecting not to lose what little credibility you have? But hey, you got to post some sanctimonious pandering.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 12:41:27

but contrary to what Exeter, Oxide and Mikey think the Democrats aren’t any better.

Filed under: “Let the Choir sing!”…or…”Hi, I’m Bob,…a “TrueNeeds™” ‘Fiscal Conservative” :-)

Elizabethan Prologue:

Reagan Insider: ‘GOP Destroyed U.S. Economy’
by Paul B. Farrell Tuesday, August 10, 2010 Market Watch

Commentary: How: Gold. Tax cuts. Debts. Wars. Fat Cats. Class gap. No fiscal discipline

“How my G.O.P. destroyed the U.S. economy.” Yes, that is exactly what David Stockman, President Ronald Reagan’s director of the Office of Management and Budget, wrote in a recent New York Times op-ed piece, “Four Deformations of the Apocalypse.”

Get it? Not “destroying.” The GOP has already “destroyed” the U.S. economy, setting up an “American Apocalypse.”

Yes, Stockman is equally damning of the Democrats’ Keynesian policies. But what this indictment by a party insider — someone so close to the development of the Reaganomics ideology — says about America, helps all of us better understand how America’s toxic partisan-politics “holy war” is destroying not just the economy and capitalism, but the America dream. And unless this war stops soon, both parties will succeed in their collective death wish.

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 14:00:36

Another pointless post. Bravo!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 15:59:59

Tu quoque

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 16:11:49

Having lived as an adult through the 1980s, I’m here to tell you that it was destroyed.

And as I’ve said before, if this “not-depression” isn’t the final nail and we don’t start fixing things like dismantling the corptacracy, then the next one sure as hell will be.

But I seriously doubt we’ll fix it this time around, so we’ll do what we always do, fix it after the disaster.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-08-10 16:35:42

The monstrous failure that is supply side economics is the GOP’s red headed step child. They own it. For eternity.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 18:29:36

Raygun. May he rest in hell.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-08-10 20:15:55

And his teflon image is rapidly tarnishing with the disclosure that he was a voracious sex fiend. Frankly I’m not surprised.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-11 00:26:41

EX:

Don’t you think Madonna and Lady GaGa had a willing string of hunks to play with?

Kinda goes with the territory

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-08-10 05:45:05

Until after the November elections.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-10 06:01:55

No Public Union Left Behind

Given how meagerly paid teachers are where I live, I’m not going to get too worked up over that.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 07:48:36

Come to New York City and see the public union stronghold firsthand.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-10 08:02:58

All the northern cities are like that, even some of the smaller burgs. I still hold to the argument that it is a gamechanger with regards to ownership in those locales. After all, someone’s gotta foot the bill.

My peer group considers high property taxes as merely an unpleasant fee to access the culture and diversity of urban life. Trouble is, their household budgets are geared for the here and now - they have no conception of what burden those carrying costs will be twenty or thirty years down the road. They also blow off the very real possibility that those generations behind us may have no taste for their lifestyle and no stomach for its costs.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 08:46:10

They also blow off the very real possibility that those generations behind us may have no taste for their lifestyle and no stomach for its costs ??

+1 +1…Spot on….

 
Comment by Kim
2010-08-10 09:27:38

“Come to New York City and see the public union stronghold firsthand.”

We have a local school with three gym teachers, and one of them took home $85,000 a year in 2007 (the latest year for which I was able to get the numbers). She still works there, so presumably she has gotten raises since then. Principals and assistant principals currently make $124,000 - $140,000 not including bennies and pension.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-08-10 07:59:04

Our high school has 1 prinicipal and 3 vp’s for less than 1500 students. In my 1979 HS, which was considered the strongest in the area, we had 1 principal and no vp’s for 2600 kids.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-10 09:32:28

How many were hired because someone was need to manage/track “unfunded Federal mandates”.

They are just like about every other business. A lot of the hiring they’ve had to do over the past 30 years is “overhead”; people needed to ensure compliance with various Federal mandates.

Individually, all these little feel good requirements may not be that big a deal. But when you multiply them by the thousands, pretty soon, you are talking real money. And, in my experience, they underestimate the cost, and over-estimate the benefit, by a factor of at least two. This being intentional, because the reg would never be issued if a real cost-benefit analysis had been done.

In the aviation business, we’ve been dealing with this for years. About fifteen years ago, the new regs seemed to get away from improving safety, and moved into mandating documentation, so the Feds would have an easier paper trail to follow if they felt the need to crucify someone.

 
Comment by Spook
2010-08-10 13:27:40

once the paperwork weighs more than the plane…

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-08-10 08:49:41

I’ll take jobs over TARP and corporate well fare any day.
These public employees do a lot of shopping at private companies.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 08:52:20

“These public employees do a lot of shopping at private companies.”

Yeah, because the government has confiscated so much money from the private sector to protect their little pets. Your point is ridiculous.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 16:15:36

Did you miss the part that a 75% consumer driven economy needs, well, consumers?

 
 
Comment by CA renter
2010-08-11 02:28:22

Comment by measton
2010-08-10 08:49:41
I’ll take jobs over TARP and corporate well fare any day.
These public employees do a lot of shopping at private companies.

Thank you, measton!

Isn’t it a shame that those “union thugs” don’t just lie down and take what’s given to them by the elite? [/sarcasm]

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Comment by Rancher
2010-08-10 05:40:50

Money that won’t be available until 2012-2014 and
taken from food stamp funds.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 16:17:41

Exactly.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-10 05:58:28

I wonder if they would be returning from vacation early if it was THEIR money they were spending?

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-08-10 06:01:19

keeping my union pension at 100% is for the children….

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-10 06:45:28

State governments are absolutely counting on this new money from Uncle Sugar. When formulating the FY11 budget here they danced all around the gaping holes in it - the promise of more federal aid was treated as a given - only the timing and amounts were unknown.

Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 07:09:19

Correct EJohn…The problem is that the structural deficits cannot be cured by backfilling with borrowed money…Just pushing the hard choices off to another day although they think they can and will try to solve it on the revenue side…Hold onto your wallet…

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-10 07:16:55

Reading your state’s budget statements can be a fascinating exercise. My state makes no secret that their projections rely on a strong upward recovery of revenues resulting from an imminent and vigorous economic recovery.

Again, the careers of virtually all these folks spanned a time of unprecedented peace and prosperity. The thought that this downturn will progress differently from the ones they have experienced - is simply unimaginable and should be dismissed post haste.

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-10 07:25:35

Yep. Of course it’s not just the states, the same is largely true of the Federal government, localities, business, and individuals. Certainly the “recovery plans” seem to be predicated that a swift kick in the balance sheet and a bit more oil (liquidity)is all the economy needs to start purring along again. While that may have prevented the economy from seizing, we’ve got oil in the radiator and that’s never a good sign.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-10 07:38:19

Yep.

E.g. the CBO’s forecast this past January calls for 5.6% annual GDP growth from 2012-2014.

Good luck with that.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-10 08:07:36

And on the Hill, the CBO is (or at least used to be) the adult in the room.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 08:34:39

their projections rely on a strong upward recovery of revenues resulting from an imminent and vigorous economic recovery

(Hwy’s quick-pick sheet) :-)
Vigorous Economic Sources:

1. AUTOMBILES
2. Solar / energy saving rebates
3. ipods / ipads
4. designer sunglasses
6. gourmet dog biscuits
7. HOUSING SALES
8. movie production
9. auto repairs
10. jet ski’s / snow mobiles / ATV’s
11. fishing / hunting items
12. MILITARY SPENDING
13. designer shoes / natural fruit Popsicle’s
14. multi-cultural restaurant dining
15. designer organic grocery reusable tote-bags
16. 1+ carat diamond bling
17. MEDICAL INDUSTRY
18. auto accessories
19. micro-brew beer / Neil’s all natural popcorn
20. model train collectors / skateboarders
21. kindle readers / ammo sales
22. back-to-school tools / video games
23. GOV’t SPENDING
24. GOV’t STIMULUS
25. FINANCIAL INNOVATION via “bidness-to-bidness” loans

Note:
(Items: 1,7,12,17,23,24 & 25 can be removed if the State revenue numbers come in too high)

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 09:47:03

Hold onto your wallet…

I remember a carnival came to town once, my lil’ sister convinced me to go on one of those crazy rides that go around like a ferris-wheel but your in a cage the tumbles & spins while you go ’round & ’round…well at some upside down “high-point” …all my hard earned coin-wages broke loose from my pockets…(how was I supposed to know that the rides “cage” screen gaps were just big enough to allow “all size of coins” to fall down below…where the ride “operator” was oddly scurrying ’round picking unseen objects from the grass…

(It was a small thing, didn’t hold me back any growing forward…but at the time I was aghast, angry & rather unable to do anything about the end results really…) :-)

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Comment by lavi d
2010-08-10 12:09:04

(how was I supposed to know that the rides “cage” screen gaps were just big enough to allow “all size of coins” to fall down below…

Well, at least it wasn’t your cellphone, MP3 player, car remote fob and Leatherman.

 
 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-10 08:00:38

And in turn, uncle sugar is counting on the wealthy Americans to do no adjustment on their investing when the Bush tax cuts expire! This will be fun to watch!

Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 08:21:05

Exactly Bill…

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-10 08:22:29

Even funnier is the fact that those who decide such matters have already adjusted their investments ahead of time, probably offshore.

Congress is home to some of the “wealthiest” of Americans - yet somehow they always seem to escape any scrutiny. Seems like lots of people would rather spew venom as some business owner than at career political hacks.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2010-08-10 12:29:07

My favorite idea of all time on taxation is to require by law, all congressmen/senators to do their own personal tax returns without aid of professionals or computers.

That would be a beautiful thing…but it’ll never happen.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 13:05:30

Rental Watch, enjoy!: :-)

Here is one for all the granddads out there!!!!

The IRS decides to audit Grandpa, and summons him to the IRS office.

The IRS auditor was not surprised when Grandpa showed up with his attorney.

The auditor said, ‘Well, sir, you have an extravagant lifestyle and no full-time employment, Which you explain by saying that you win money gambling. I’m not sure the IRS finds that believable.’

I’m a great gambler, and I can prove it,’ says Grandpa. ‘How about a demonstration?’

The auditor thinks for a moment and said, ‘Okay. Go ahead.’

Grandpa says, ‘I’ll bet you a thousand dollars that I can bite my own eye.’

The auditor thinks a moment and says, ‘It’s a bet.’

Grandpa removes his glass eye and bites it. The auditor’s jaw drops.

Grandpa says, ‘Now, I’ll bet you two thousand dollars that I can bite my other eye.’

Now the auditor can tell Grandpa isn’t blind, so he takes the bet.

Grandpa removes his dentures and bites his good eye.

The stunned auditor now realizes he has wagered and lost three grand, with Grandpa’s attorney as a witness. He starts to get nervous.

‘Want to go double or nothing?’ Grandpa asks ‘I’ll bet you six thousand dollars that I can stand on one side of your desk, and pee into that wastebasket on the other side, and never get a drop anywhere in between.’

The auditor, twice burned, is cautious now, but he looks carefully and decides there’s no way this old guy could possibly manage that stunt, so he agrees again.

Grandpa stands beside the desk and unzips his pants, but although he strains mightily, he can’t make the stream reach the wastebasket on the other side, so he pretty much urinates all over the auditor’s desk.

The auditor leaps with joy, realizing that he has just turned a major loss into a huge win.

But Grandpa’s own attorney moans and puts his head in his hands.

‘Are you okay?’ the auditor asks.

‘Not really,’ says the attorney. ‘This morning, when Grandpa told me he’d been summoned for an audit, he bet me twenty-five thousand dollars that he could come in here and piss all over your desk and that you’d be happy about it!’

I keep telling you! Don’t Mess with Old People!!

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-08-10 15:34:53

I love that story!

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-10 14:44:51

You mean the money they’re currently investing in Chindia or the Wall St. Casino?

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-08-10 07:56:48

Onondaga County, NY is getting a big chunk!

Whoo Hoo! Spending money we don’t have!

Let’s face it. With local taxpayers, as long as the money’s for “me” and “mine”, it’s all good. Other people suck though.

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-10 08:21:14

i didn’t read the full article, but what your excerpt doesn’t say about the Congress returning from Recess, was that they weren’t scheduled to return for another couple of weeks.
Nancy P. called them into session and sent out notices. Many had to cancel prior engagements. This is an “emergency session” to get the GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES new checks so they can keep their jobs.

I believe it is also a foreshadowing of things to come. Nancy and Harry are in big trouble with their Marxist take-over of Amerika and the Nov. election polling doesn’t look good. Knowing they are doomed, we can expect many more emergency, weekend, extended sessions of Congress all through the rest of the year to get their schemes onto the Bills of Congress, behind closed doors, on multi-thousand page bills to create a bigger and greater government megalith.
They need to rush through “cap and trade”, freddie/fannie slush funds, new bills on campaign finance, and more entitlement programs before the a new congress can block the Obama schemes.
It’s scary. Nothing we can do but watch our freedom vanish. It feels like a Orwellian nightmare. No. It IS an Orwellian nightmare.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-10 05:20:20

Levin: Democratic jobs bill push not union payback

By JIM ABRAMS
The Associated Press
Posted: 3:11 a.m. Tuesday, Aug. 10, 2010

WASHINGTON — A leading Democrat says it’s wrong to argue that a $26 billion measure before the House mostly amounts to a gift to public employee unions.

Michigan Democrat Sander Levin tells C-SPAN the bill before lawmakers called back to Washington Tuesday was sought by 45 governors, Republicans as well as Democrats, who asked Congress for help to avert massive layoffs in the already suffering economy.

Levin said “we’re talking about several hundred thousand” jobs at stake. He said “the notion that this is just unions, no. I think this is pressure from the public who want their teachers teaching.”

Republicans charge the bill is a payback to public employee unions that supported Barack Obama and in his presidential campaign

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 07:57:06

Levin said “we’re talking about several hundred thousand” jobs at stake. He said “the notion that this is just unions, no. I think this is pressure from the public who want their teachers teaching.”

Bwahahahaha. That is so funny. This clown really has a great act. He is one funny f’er.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-10 08:13:43

“…was sought by 45 governors…”

Yep, 45 of 50 states have FY11 budgets that are D.O.A. Nothing to see here, move along.

Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 08:29:30

FY11 budgets that are D.O.A. ??

And FY12 ?? FY13 ?? FY14 ??

Major Tax reform is coming…Its the only way they will be able to balance the budget…Doing it on the growth side ain’t gonna work…There are going to be some major losers in this such as, Bye Bye Ag. subsidies…I wish I was smart enough and had the nuts to make a big bet on it…I am just to old and to scared I guess…Just can’t earn it again so preservation is the rule…

 
 
 
Comment by krazy bill
2010-08-10 05:29:20

“Even though prices declined last year — down 0.2% from a year earlier as measured by the national price index for personal consumption expenditures — incomes fell even more. On average, personal income dropped 1.8% in 2009, following a 2.7% increase in 2007.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/08/09/us-incomes-tumbled-in-2009/

The Phoenix AZ Metro area had a decline of 5.2%, following a drop of 1.4% 2007-2008.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-10 08:37:09

Deflation.

Got cash?

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 08:51:10

Not much.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 08:52:43

Stagflation maybe…

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 16:27:20

Stagflation DEFINITELY.

Actually, the CPI is bullcrap. There is no other way to put it politely. The price of everyday living in the real world has been increasing while wages for most people have been stagnate or dropping.

And it’s been this way for the last 30 years and current events haven’t changed that one damn bit.

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Comment by CA renter
2010-08-11 02:35:48

And the Fed is intent on making it worse.

Funny how $26 billion to workers (who actually do something) gets everyone up in arms, but trillions to back the financial markets and keep asset prices high…well, that was “necessary” to avoid financial Armageddon!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-08-10 05:52:11

oh oh - “Shanghai sets bearish tone on domestic growth worries” - empty houses and housing bubble popping do not make for good stock market.

—————–

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Chinese shares suffered their worst fall in more than a month Tuesday, dragging down markets across Asia, as weaker-than-expected imports in July fueled worries that consumption on the mainland was slowing.

“What we are seeing is some knee-jerk reaction to this imports data … It’s being interpreted as disappointing and being a precursor to poor consumption on the mainland,” said Ben Collett, head of equities at Louis Capital Markets in Hong Kong.

The Shanghai Composite dropped 2.9% to end at 2,595.27, taking its worst percentage fall since June 29, while the Shenzhen Composite index tumbled 3.3% to 1,085.63. Hong Kong shares also responded in kind to the sharp fall, with the Hang Seng Index finishing 1.5% lower for just its second loss in 16 trading days.

Comment by James
2010-08-10 06:20:54

That with declining demand world wide…

Kinda funny, it’s like they saw our housing bubble AND it’s aftermath.

Then said I gotta get me some of that…

Weird.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 08:52:08

That with declining demand world wide…

6+ Billion humans have to…

eat
fight
create more offsprings
entertain themselves
survive… gluttony / global climatic change / un-mapped meteor

Note:
(not in chronological order for all cultures)

 
 
 
Comment by Onosurf
2010-08-10 05:52:21

I’m in Lakewood, CA. and have noticed a ton of homes that have recently popped up for sale. Literally, 3 per street. Has any else noticed this phenomena, or is “all real estate local”?

Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 06:01:49

Inventory has been increasing pretty much everywhere for several months now…Hang out here for awhile and you will get more info…

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-10 06:02:43

The entire COUNTRY is for sale if you consider wishing-prices.

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-08-10 06:02:44

the last few weeks of the summer selling season…

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 16:28:58

Yep.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-10 06:03:36

I haven’t seen any major changes out here. Sales are still molasses slow, but inventory is steady. New construction is virtually zero, but its been that way for two years now.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-08-10 06:03:59

Yesterday someone posted a link to an article about how inventories are up in most metro areas across the country in July, even though this is traditionally the end of the selling season and inventories would usually be down.

Comment by packman
2010-08-10 06:25:00

Many have predicted another leg down. The end of the Fed’s MBS purchases will most likely bring that about, with the first step being what’s happening now - an increase in inventory. Same thing happened in 2005.

(That is - if the Fed doesn’t announce more today)

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 07:04:28

“The end of the Fed’s MBS purchases will most likely bring that about,…”

Doesn’t your point pretty much imply they will commit to more MBS purchases? Not sure what they will eventually do with those trillions of MBS they bought with freshly-created liquidity — bury them in a virtual cave somewhere and pretend the loans were never made, perhaps?

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Comment by packman
2010-08-10 07:15:42

In all seriousness - I think they’ll just hold on to them until they mostly mature, and then sell the now-valuable core.

Over time any given MBS’s core becomes more valuable, as the bulk of the initial defaults get worked through. This is especially true now, with home prices falling (over the 4-5 year period), and with unemployment high. In about 3-4 years from now:
- After home prices truly bottom out and start back up in nominal terms
- After the employment situation improves (most likely)
- After the mortgages remaining in those MBS have reached 5-7 years of maturity, thus getting further above water or at least no longer underwater

the vast majority of defaults within those MBS will be done. After that point it’s all gravy - the core is worth a lot still. Yes it’s probably just 60-70% of the original $1.25T price paid, but now it’s a stable core.

That’s when they’ll sell back to the banks, for pennies on the dollar. The general public will eat the $500B or so loss via inflation, and the banks will reap the benefits of buying the valuable core at still-fire-sale prices.

And yes this may be expanded - possibly starting today.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 07:21:03

“The general public will eat the $500B or so loss via inflation,…”

Has the Fed figured out how to use inflation to get broke people to eat ever more debt?

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-10 07:31:03

Has the Fed figured out how to use inflation to get broke people to eat ever more debt? There will ALWAYS be people willing to borrow their way to the poor house. The trick is in getting some fool to lend out money that won’t get repaid. The problem is that it’s getting much harder to find marks for the “pool and tranche the debt and sell it all off in bonds worth more that the aggregate value of the poo that went in them.” con

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-10 07:42:47

Has the Fed figured out how to use inflation to get broke people to eat ever more debt?

Absolutely!

They’ve used inflation* to change this to this, in fact.

*primarily. Population and production growth are factors too, but inflation is the largest factor.

 
Comment by measton
2010-08-10 08:54:29

My guess is when they feel we are at the bottom, they will sell them to GS MS for pennies on the dollar in a private auction.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 12:03:59

They’ve used inflation* to change this to this, in fact.

1940 -1945… so that’s how Wal-Fart got a leg up…

“Walton’s Five and Dime.” There, he achieved higher sales volume by marking up slightly less than most competitors”

Post 1945 USA demographics + Chinese “hard labor” = 2010 “roll-back” prices! :-)

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 07:54:08

Thanks for mentioning the 2005 inventory increase, packman.

That’s exactly what I saw during my summer ‘05 bike rides around Tucson. It was as if this town had suddenly sprouted “For Sale” signs. They were everywhere, and they stayed up for weeks, months, and, in a few cases, years.

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Comment by packman
2010-08-10 08:09:28

In 2004, when we started thinking about moving from the east to the west, I started tracking inventory in 3 places:

1. Northern CA where we lived
2. NoVA where we were moving
3. West FL where we may move someday

2 and 3 started skyrocketing in spring ‘05. #1 (fortunately for us) didn’t start to take off until summer ‘06 - the exact month after we sold. We got lucky. (though we lost much of the benefit by buying in NoVA at still-high prices)

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-10 08:40:45

Inventory was trending up and sales had flattened when we listed our house in Florida in the spring of ‘05. After the way things had been selling in our ‘hood, we were shocked that it took a whole month :-) to get an offer.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-08-11 02:41:21

In San Diego, inventory started heading up in summer of 2004, and prices in the higher tier started stagnating. By November 2005, you could feel the panic in the air.

We were leading the trend, both up and down.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 08:55:30

Has any else noticed this phenomena

twin sister: :-)

Back-to-school sales

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-10 05:56:56

There are a lot of articles about Rio and Brazil decoupling from external economies and being able to thrive even when the USA and Europe suffer. I don’t know if that is possible but I’m wondering.

Investors go to Rio as opportunities flourish

http://www.smh.com.au/business/investors-go-to-rio-as-opportunities-flourish-20100716-10e66.html

Gartmore Investment Management’s Christopher Palmer needed only a day in Rio de Janeiro to scout for investment opportunities while visiting Brazil six years ago. Now half a week isn’t enough.

A half a century after losing its status as Brazil’s capital, Rio is becoming an engine of Latin America’s largest economy. The city has lured at least two dozen hedge funds in the past decade as well as the nation’s leading oil producers, the 2014 World Cup and the 2016 Olympic Games.

The governor, Sergio Cabral, forecasts the state of Rio will need as much as $US90 billion ($102 billion) in investment until 2013 for the expansion of the shipbuilding, iron, steel and nuclear power industries,

”It’s becoming a virtuous cycle,”…

They’ve pacified favelas you would have thought were impossible to occupy. Real estate prices have surged, …Higher production has helped the unemployment rate in Rio state drop to 5.9 per cent in April from 10.5 per cent in the same month in 2002,

Rio property values have risen as much as 47 per cent in a year, according to statistics from the real estate union.

Homicides had fallen 31 per cent in May from a year earlier, to a record low of 363. Vehicle theft was down 30 per cent and robberies of pedestrians fell 12 per cent

While Rio may not be luring banks, the city is becoming synonymous with the nation’s hedge fund industry. Ipanema, whose beach was named the ”world’s sexiest” by the Travel Channel in 2008, and Leblon have lured more than a dozen hedge funds.

Rio’s revival can be traced to the 2006 election of Sergio Cabral… The priority has been cleaning up the house,”… ”Rio is no longer the ugly duckling of the republic. We developed a new partnership politics in our state.

”The most important thing Cabral did above all was the inauguration of a new politics, molding together various parts of the government with the private sector.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 08:59:04

molding together various parts of the government with the private sector

GSE’s in a bikini… Ooh La La ;-)

 
Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 08:59:42

Seems like you made a pretty good bet with your move Rio…

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 10:39:45

+1

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 16:34:47

Little known fact: many US farmers who once had large farms, moved to S. America to make a better living due to increasing favoritism toward N. American corporate farming.

By bringing modern farming techniques to S. America, they have made both themselves and their prospective countries richer.

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-08-10 06:00:36

buy and bail homeowners get past mortgage hurdles from fannie freddie
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-10/-buy-and-bail-homeowners-get-past-mortgage-hurdles-from-fannie-freddie.html

Freddie Mac narrows loss, but firm needs more government aid
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/09/AR2010080905798.html

New Housing Bailout? Try Old Housing Bailout -Diana Olick
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38626794

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-10 06:01:01

WTF? They don’t have QE in China? Dumbasses.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-10 06:04:55

BRIC Economies

Jim O’Neill, Chief Economist for Goldman Sachs, initially predicted that by 2041 (now modified to 2032) the BRIC economies would overtake the six largest western economies in terms of economic might.

More than anything Jim O’Neill’s club of emerging countries has created a new way of perceiving the future, suggesting that in the not too distant future the western world might be relegated to playing second fiddle to BRIC’s first violin. What was unthinkable ten years ago has started to become an accepted norm.

Some say the BRIC story is marketing hype, just a tag for salesmen to hang a story on and a chance to generate even more fees and put Goldman Sachs further into the limelight.

So did the market crash and ensuing recession not dismantle the BRIC story? Not at all, Most of the BRICs emerged from the crisis well, relative to the economies of the western world. Their banking systems are intact (Russia may be the exception here), and their economies are still growing

http://www.theglobaldispatches.com/articles/bric-economies–2

Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-10 08:04:28

Unfortunately for you Rio, the Bric countries are capitalist economies, and by your posts, you certainly are against capitalism.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-10 08:31:50

Unfortunately for you Rio, the Bric countries are capitalist economies, and by your posts, you certainly are against capitalism.

Kinda funny in a closed-minded sort of way. Can you differentiate nuances? Shades of gray from black and white? Do you throw out babies with bathwater? Is everybody for you or against you? Think beyond numbers?

Anyway I would bet, I’ve thrown around numbers and risked more capital than you ever did or will. I’m the capitalist entrepreneur, dude.

The difference between you and me on capitalism is that I think harder. For example, I understand that socialized health insurance as Canada has would promote entrepreneurial capitalism in the USA because it would enable employees to start their own companies and not be afraid of losing health insurance. As we spend 17% GDP on health-care and Canada spends 10%, their type system would free up other money for “capitalism”.

Too deep?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 09:02:10

:-)

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Comment by CA renter
2010-08-11 02:44:47

+1,000, Rio! :)

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Comment by measton
2010-08-10 08:57:36

Yes Russia and China are more capitalist than the USA

You make me laugh.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 16:38:20

There is no doubt those countries are growing and represent considerable competition, but until they have 13 aircraft carrier task fleets and approx 5000 nuclear weapons between them, we’ll still be able to bully our way around.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-10 06:16:45

Interesting article from a non-American point of view:

Is BRIC Triggering “New Thinking”?

http://orientalreview.org/2010/04/14/is-bric-triggering-%E2%80%9Cnew-thinking%E2%80%9D/

The BRIC countries – Brazil, Russia, India, and China – are no longer content with being invited to the G20 and G8 summits by the West. They just held their own BRIC summit in Yekaterinburg. And the London Economist has discovered that the BRIC economies have “decoupled” from the crisis in the West. Indeed, they have decoupled, but not just in economic and financial terms.

New power centres have emerged; in Asia, in the Gulf, in Latin America, even in Africa. The weights are shifting in the world. Compared to the last century, more states and regions will influence and shape the world.”

One day the West will wake up and find out that it has slept though a historical development“.

The geopolitical weight of the BRIC states on the world scene is undeniable and BRIC’s share in the world economy stands at roughly 25% – combined with an essentially unbroken growth dynamic, in spite of the supposedly “global” financial- economic crisis.

The unease, to put it mildly, with which Western politics and media treat SCO and BRIC is probably due to the fact that these are non-western cooperation formats. The USA, European Union and Japan are simply not involved. And exactly that makes the Yekaterinburg SCO and BRIC summits so special: No West there.

There are some basic political-epistomological patterns in the western mind: How could there be anything of importance in international affairs, if the West is not actively involved? After all, since 1492, one has been accustomed to the fact that all significant events – even in the most distant corners of the globe – are ultimately determined by Europe and/or America. This has been world political ontology for half a millennium. That the “others” get together now – without the West – is indeed a new and irritating experience.

Right “after Lehman,” a new defensive reflex set in: The Anglo-Saxon systemic failure was quickly reinterpreted as a “world financial crisis” or “worldwide economic crisis”. Suddenly, the whole world was “sitting in one boat“ – as if the whole world had acted in exactly the same way as the USA, Great Britain or parts of continental Europe.
But the “others” had behaved very differently. The political and economic leaders of Asia, in particular, must have rubbed their eyes on account of this “world financial crisis”. Ten years “before Lehman,” they had pulled the emergency brake and contained the worst Anglo-Saxon finance methods by regulation.

Comment by DinOR
2010-08-10 08:14:55

RioAmerican,

Excellent points. Indian banks ( just for instance ) pretty much stuck to their knitting! They… took deposits and made loans. ( And that’s why they’re not in so much trouble )

I really think you have to add the Philippines and some of the other Tigers in there as well. I have no doubt that had P.I banks pulled the stunts we’ve seen here, they would have simply been allowed to fail.

‘They’ practice what we ‘preach’. To our own detriment btw.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 09:04:22

If we are not careful we will get our a$$ handed to us….

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 09:30:20

The weights are shifting in the world. Compared to the last century, more states and regions will influence and shape the world.”

“The weights are shifting in the world. Compared to the last century, more states and regions will influence and shape the world.”

Well, good for them, …can’t wait to see what happens when they’re unwilling to solve their “differences” with just economic wrist-slaps of “diplomacy” :-)

Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 10:52:21

unwilling to solve their “differences” with just economic wrist-slaps of “diplomacy” ??

Ka-boom ??

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 11:36:50

Ka-boom ??

Geez, quit dwaddling with the “small details”…besides they have a long history of National “social political” restraint, it’s contained right there in that constitutional document that they whip out and recite constantly. :-/

 
 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-10 18:42:36

History strongly suggests that whenever Anglo-American hegemony faces a challenge, war follows. Even today, many of our allies really aren’t part of the club - they are just the ones that finally opted to play along - usually after being thoroughly punished first.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 06:26:41

KKR Cancels Planned $500 Million Share Sale, Citing `Unfavorable’ Market
Aug. 10 (Bloomberg)

KKR & Co., the private-equity firm that moved its shares to the New York Stock Exchange last month, canceled a plan to raise $500 million in a stock sale and said second-quarter profit fell as investment income dropped.

The firm applied to withdraw a registration for the sale, citing “unfavorable market conditions,” it said yesterday in a regulatory filing. KKR reported a 29 percent decrease in economic net income as lower unrealized investment gains led to a decline in carried interest, or the portion of profit it gets from successful holdings, the firm said in an e-mailed statement from New York.

Comment by combotechie
2010-08-10 06:32:29

KKR needs to change its accounting cookbook.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-10 06:43:01

They need to borrow authur andersons cookbook and create some very creative dishes.

Comment by palmetto
2010-08-10 07:46:19

Henry Kravis has always been pissed that Steve Schwartzman beat him to the punch.

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 08:00:44

BX stock price on 6/22/07 was $35.06
BX stock price on 2/17/09 was $3.96

Caveat emptor or is it brain cavity empty to buy into these scams?

 
Comment by measton
2010-08-10 09:19:12

The IPO of blackstone was another sentinal event that told me the debt bomb was ready to explode. Why anyone purchased that stock is beyond me.

The bankruptcy rule changes got me to sell my house in 2006 and find HBB.
The BX IPO pushed me even more into cash.
I was 95% in cash and bonds when the collapse came. Thank you BX, you were one of the first fat rats to leave the sinking ship. Watch what the pigs do not what they say.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 06:32:08

North Baltimore plant to close, over 200 out of work beginning in October

Over 200 people will be out of work when a North Baltimore factory closes its doors later this year.

Continental Structural Plastics plans to shut down operations, beginning October 11th. The announcement came in a letter last week to representatives of the United Auto Workers in Maumee.

Company reps did not give a reason for the closing, but officials had previously considered moving operations to Indiana due to expensive and unnecessary state regulations.

State officials had worked to come up with a deal to relieve the company of fees to operate a piece of machinery it no longer needs to meet environmental standards.

Comment by 2banana
2010-08-10 06:47:20

Atlas Shrugged - to Indiana.

I bet it is also not a union plant…

Company reps did not give a reason for the closing, but officials had previously considered moving operations to Indiana due to expensive and unnecessary state regulations.

Comment by combotechie
2010-08-10 06:49:51

“The announcement came in a letter last week to representives of the United Auto Workers in Maumee.”

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-10 06:55:21

I bet it is also not a union plant…

200 more $8/hr jobs I guess.

Comment by 2banana
2010-08-10 07:52:28

better than zero jobs paying $0/hr I guess.

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 08:01:46

200 more $8/hr jobs I guess.

So, every non union job pays $8 per hour?

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-10 09:16:20

OK, I was being cynical. But if you’re going to relocate you might as well go where the wages are lowest. How much is Boeing going to be paying the skilled workers its going to hire in South Carolina to build 787s? IIRC it was something like 12-14/hr. Those workers won’t be buying new pickups or houses.

When I was in college in the early 80’s I had an evening job at a place that made fancy membrane water filters. It was a completely unskilled job and it paid $8/hr back then (non-union btw). Adjusted for inflation I was better paid than those future Boeing workers.

We’ve come a long way baby!

 
Comment by measton
2010-08-10 12:58:07

NYC boy has bought into the notion that unions are destroying America. Which is laughable when you look a the deteriorating power unions have in this country. Outsourcing of labor destroyed the unions. It also destroyed the middle class. We are moving toward third world wealth distribution in this country. This will be bad for demacracy and freedom. Despite all of the alleged attrocities of unions the only way the middle class has any chance of staying afloat is if they band together. Thus the MSM and PTB will do everything to keep us at each others throats and demonize any organization that stands up for workers. It’s why you have many who vote against their own and their families economic interests in this country.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-08-10 13:33:20

it’s pretty scary that they pay $28K/year to build a PLANE.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 14:02:03

NYC boy has bought into the notion that unions are destroying America.

Nope. Just public unions. I have nothing against private unions as long as they live with the consequences of their actions. You are clearly too blind, and dogmatic, to think recognize the difference.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-08-10 16:43:20

Then start making the distinction my friend.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 16:44:19

it’s pretty scary that they pay $28K/year to build a PLANE.

There is no such thing as skilled labor at those wages.

Want to guess why the “Dreamliner” is so far behind in production?

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-08-10 17:05:02

“Want to guess why the “Dreamliner” is so far behind in production?”

Try new technologies at a scale never done
before. The strawman argument is that the
military has been doing this for years with
advanced fighters and GA aircraft, which is
true. However, the military has virtually
a cost plus budget when designing and building defense aircraft piloted by one
person. They never had to worry about the
liability of an airplane crash with 270 civilians
on board, paying passengers.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 18:34:14

…or the layoff of most of their senior engineers over the last few years.

Guess which way I’m betting?

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-08-10 18:53:12

Senior engineers? In what discipline? The Dreamliner is a synergistic construct that has
never been done before on this scale. So many new disciplines are being melded in a new way that it is, basically, new territory.

And yes, it has been done before on a smaller scale, but never this large and in civilian form.

The closest thing to the Dreamliner team was
the Skunkworks run by Kelly Johnston, and that was funded by the DOD (CIA) with an
unlimited budget for military applications.

 
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2010-08-11 02:53:46

Comment by measton
2010-08-10 12:58:07
NYC boy has bought into the notion that unions are destroying America. Which is laughable when you look a the deteriorating power unions have in this country.

—————–

I always enjoy your intelligent posts, measton.

 
 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 06:49:36

North Baltimore plant to close ??

And, another one bites the dust…

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-08-10 07:23:28

That one had me scratching my head for a moment. I grew up in north Baltimore and have never heard of them. Turns out the plant is not in north Baltimore, but North Baltimore, OH. Didn’t know there was such a place.

It’s one of a number of plants that they run in the OH/MI region. They probably just have one too many.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-10 07:33:57

And here I though that this was probably related to the GM minivan plant in Bawlmer that closed a few years back.

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-08-10 14:05:39

“[golden parachutted] officials had previously considered moving operations to India due to expensive and unnecessary [US labor]”

Fixed.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 07:03:01

Longaberger below 1,000 workers
Company confirms 35 more layoffs Monday. ~ Central Ohio

NEWARK — The Longaberger Co., which ranked among the state’s 10 largest manufacturing employers in 2000, now has a work force of less than 1,000.

The company confirmed Monday that 35 full-time positions were eliminated last week, bringing its employment to 975, down from about 2,000 two years ago and more than 8,000 employees 10 years ago.

“This was part of a streamlining effort to ensure we remain as cost-efficient as possible,” Matthews said. “We value all the contributions these employees have made, and our hearts go out to those employees affected.”

It has been a difficult year for the basketmaker as the economy remains weak after a severe recession.

“We have to make hard decisions like many other companies do,” Matthews said. “We’re no different in that sense. While there are some signs of recovery, consumer spending is still sluggish and flat.

Although the slow economic recovery made things difficult, the company sees opportunities for growth in the future.

“Studies and expectations in the home and lifestyle areas see growth in coming years,” Matthews said. “And that bodes well for us.”

The company not only offers baskets, but also wall art, candles, pottery, wrought iron and fabric bags.

Comment by combotechie
2010-08-10 07:07:28

“The company not only offers baskets, but also wll art, candles,pottery, wrought iron and fabric bags.”

In other words, the company makes non-essentials.

They are doomed.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-10 07:18:51

the candle-making division may see a big uptick as more people need to cut back on electric lighting.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 07:40:47

“In other words, the company makes non-essentials.

They are doomed.”

My sister loved those non-essentials. She took great pride in her Longaberger collection. This is pretty sad that an American company can’t make anything here anymore and that people can’t have anything nice made by their fellow citizens. This is making a bad morning even worse.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-08-10 08:00:44

High priced non-essentials at that, although they are well made and beautiful if you’re into the colonial, early American look.

Comment by lnk
2010-08-10 18:27:12

I love baskets and use them for all kinds of storage. But the Longaberger ones (even second-hand ones) are way too expensive for such everyday use, especially compared to the large selection of baskets available cheaply at any thrift store. Many of the older thriftstore baskets are as nice or nicer than the Longaberger ones, and are a much better value at a much lower price.

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Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 07:13:09

bringing its employment to 975, down from about 2,000 two years ago and more than 8,000 employees 10 years ago ??

That tells the whole story right there…

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-10 07:29:36

My former employer, a local manufacturing plant for a national company, went from just over 100 employees in 2005 (including temps), to about 60 in 2008. 30 by the beginning of 2009. down to 15 at mid-year. i was one of the 15. They dropped to 12 in Oct 2009.
That was my release date.
It amounted to an 88% reduction over 4 years, with former managers doing menial tasks, and multiple jobs, including janitorial services, as labor was re-routed.
They are still open and still in business. We were hardware manufacturers for home construction.
I have stopped by a few times to see if business has picked up. Not much has happened. I am certain they will survive, but it may be a number of years before demand for their products increases enough to re-staff the plant. By then, it may be closed down and operations consolidated. That particular plant had been operating profitably for about 25 years when i took the job in 2001.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 07:42:20

As long as we can keep paying our “public servants” with ever increasing amounts of stimulus then everything should be okay. Just ask Nancy and O.

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Comment by measton
2010-08-10 09:24:37

Pretty clearly this company died because it was built on the bubble of free money.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 09:15:59

That tells the whole story right there…

That tells the whole story right there…

Hey scdave, remember this “reality”

“removable memory” ;-)

Control Data Corporation Hard Disk Drive 1984:

10 mega bytes / 289 lbs / $31,233.00

Fry’s electronics 2010 :

Iomega 1TB Storage Drive / For Mac & Windows / $119.00

Hwy inserts quote: “Cut with the NEGATIVE waves Kelly!”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 09:18:44

A terabyte is a SI-multiple of the unit byte for digital information storage and is equal to 1012 (1 trillion short scale) bytes.

We are being “consumed” by larger & larger numbers…Yikes! ;-)

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Comment by lavi d
2010-08-10 12:22:51

We are being “consumed” by larger & larger numbers…Yikes!

NO. A terra-bite is the damage that terrists do to an economy, silly.

Get out and spend and prove the terrists wrong!

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-10 10:06:57

I think your timeline is off a bit. In 1985 I was buying CDC/Imprimis discs for the Navy, and they were 8 inch Winchesters with 1 GB for about $5,000. I could easily pick one up and stick it into a rack so maybe 50 pounds?

However in 1981 I was buying 60 MB “washing machine” CDC drives with those removable non-Winchester disc packs. You did have to use a forklift to move them and they were expensive.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 10:32:11

Well, the company was making ATE equipment for NCR & Bell & Western Electric, change came slowly…but installing “upgrades” was travel friendly! :-)

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-10 10:09:44

While we’re speaking of discs….

Win7 has a built-in backup utility that’s great. I bought an internal 1/2 TB drive for $35 from Newegg and configured the system to do an image backup onto it once a week.

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Comment by evildoc
2010-08-11 01:53:36

you mean windoze caught up with Mac’s Time Machine?

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 11:06:05

Control Data Corporation Hard Disk Drive 1984 ?

Hwy….My dad worked for Control Data in Sunnyvale California… :)

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 11:20:49

…more “tales” from the Over-The-Hill gang rides again! ;-)

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-10 14:01:55

“Control Data Corporation Hard Disk Drive 1984:
10 mega bytes / 289 lbs / $31,233.00″

Are you sure about that date? I changed employers and went to work for a small company in early 1983 and all the professional staff had an IBM PC-XT on their desks. Floppy disk drives of the time had 180 kilobytes of storage and I’m sure my PC-XT’s hard drive was at least 5 Megabytes. The whole computer with green screen CRT and DOS cost about $5K each. There was no mouse back then, so the keyboard’s arrow keys got a real workout!

I cannot imagine $31K for a 10 MB drive in 1984. 1981 maybe. But if that price is correct, perhaps that’s why PC’s took the world by storm so quickly.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 16:42:52

Industrial ATE machines.

You have to keep in mind who the end users (Top 25 US Industrial Mfg. Corporations) were…they had redundant system Mfg. lines & redundant “costly-trained” employees. The ATE machines ran 24 hrs x3 shifts replacing many “engineers w Oscilloscope skills” without salary or benefits or ego’s. ;-)

“…perhaps that’s why PC’s took the world by storm so quickly”

Note: The “transition” happened this way… 1984:

“So, I’m hangin’ in the R&D area getting math skill upgrades & Chess moves from a 59 year old Hungarian named Frank, in walks x3 “smilin’” jr. engineers from division x…they place an item the size of VHS tape on Franks desk, “What’s that?” asks Frank, in heavy accented English. “It’s a new disk drive…$350.00 / 25MB …you don’t need to align the heads either… make it work”

Excerpt from Hwy’s Traveling Road Journal / Chapter 3 “The Rest-Stops”“the early years” ;-)

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-08-10 13:36:53

I’m seeing no shortage of wall art and baskets in the stores. So, how many of those jobs went to China? (Actually, I thought that knick-knack production was moved to China decades ago.)

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 14:04:32

I bet you are seeing a shortage of quality baskets like Longaberger makes.

Comment by hip in zilker
2010-08-10 14:14:52

I went to a couple of craft stores looking for a basket to fill with local products to be auctioned at a fund-raising event. I wasn’t looking for anything special - just an inexpensive basket for a reasonably attractive container. The products inside were what mattered.

The baskets were not inexpensive and they were all junk. Just crummy raggedy poorly made ugly junk. I ended up decorating a box rather than spending a penny on that Chinese-made garbage.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 17:17:43

I ended up decorating a box rather than spending a penny on that Chinese-made garbage

Many tankxs from Hwy ;-)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 07:09:00

Bay Area home values rise overall, Zillow finds

Carolyn Said, Chronicle Staff Writer
San Francisco Chronicle August 9, 2010 04:00 AM

More Business

* Stocks falling ahead of Federal Reserve meeting 08.10.10
* Dollar gains ahead of Fed decision on rates 08.10.10

Bay Area home values experienced moderate increases over the past year, but it was a scattered revival as values still slumped in about a third of the region’s ZIP codes, according to a real estate report being released today.

Overall Bay Area home values in the second quarter rose 4.1 percent compared with the same period last year, hitting a median of about $497,000, roughly back to the level of late 2003, according to real-estate valuation service Zillow.com. By comparison, the national median fell 3.2 percent year over year, Zillow said.

“The Bay Area is doing a lot better than the rest of the country now,” said Stan Humphries, Zillow chief economist. “It has stabilized tremendously, and we’re seeing some robust housing appreciation. Still, the dynamics of the market remain very challenging because of larger macro-economic headwinds.”

High-end ZIP codes sag

Values sagged not just in foreclosure-ridden exurbs like Antioch and Pittsburg, where the median price is under $200,000, but also in pricey ZIP codes like Stanford and Stinson Beach, where the median price is north of $1 million.

“Some higher-end markets are seeing declines and super-declines that outpace the averages,” Humphries said. “It makes sense because these markets went into decline later than other markets. If you look at their fallout from the peak, the high end has fallen a lot less than the rest of the Bay Area.”

Still, every single ZIP code has lost significant value since its peak.

What does the future hold?

“I’m still cautious to say any market is out of the woods,” Humphries said. “Given increasing inventory levels, it’s quite possible we’ll see further price declines, but I’m optimistic we won’t reach the low point again.”

Thornberg said it’s hard to predict what will happen with foreclosures, since the government plans an autumn launch for a renewed foreclosure-prevention plan.

“It’s really a policy decision,” he said. “We know 6 million households in this country are not paying their mortgage, 12 million households are underwater and a substantial portion of those folks are in California. Eventually those homes will have to be cleared - we don’t know whether it will be through the foreclosure process or through a regulatory process.”

 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-10 07:10:25

This is old but I don’t recall it being discussed here: the low level of new construction will eventually lead to a housing shortage as the economy recovers:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/15/real_estate/new_housing_bubble/index.htm

“Household formation — the technical term for people moving in together — has been on hold during the past few years as young people, especially, have been unable to find jobs. In the past, an average of more than 1.3 million households were formed each year, causing demand for 1.5 million new homes. (More homes than households are needed to replace those destroyed by fires, floods, teardowns and neglect.)”

That had been the average amount of new supply. Now there is a huge inventory overhang, and household formation is a record lows.

“The decline in household formation is artificial,” said Gaines. “The young are moving in with their parents. There’s even doubling up among working class people. There’s a pent-up demand coming if and when the economy recovers.”

The counter arguments are these:

1) The inventory overhang is huge, as a result of one 2 milllion-plus new home year after another.

2) Americans have overconsumed housing, their housing units are too big, and they are getting poorer. Before new supply is needed, some of these massive units will be subdivided, perhaps within, to cut operating costs.

(The alternative is abanondoment and the construction of new, smaller houses).

(Not that in Brooklyn, where I live, rowhouses built as one family Brownstone mansions are now often four unit buildings — after gentrification after a couple of decades as 12-unit rooming houses).

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-10 08:44:20

Eventually. The Sun will eventually engulf the Earth as it becomes a red giant before ultimately burning out.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 08:53:52

Americans have overconsumed housing, their housing units are too big

Unfortunately, my unit is sadly modest and on the small side. But it does have a decent view.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-08-10 10:49:14

You a kilt guy?

Comment by lavi d
2010-08-10 12:32:11

You a kilt guy?

That’s just wrong…

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 11:13:13

the low level of new construction will eventually lead to a housing shortage as the economy recovers

Boomers die “eventually” + no illegal non-citizens crossing AZ = “what shortage?”

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-08-10 12:31:07

Americans have overconsumed housing, their housing units are too big, and they are getting poorer.

Here in Vegas it’s easy to drive by neighborhood after neighborhood in which there are enormous two-story houses - 4000/5000 sqft - hulking ten feet apart behind their respective community walls. They can’t all be occupied, I can’t imagine who will buy them and I can’t see myself living in one.

I’d rather be 30 feet away from the next house in a 1600sqft home than 10 feet away in a 4800.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 07:16:28

Just as I began to imagine I had noticed some green shoots of recovery, this story hit me like a bucket of water to the face. If this turns out anything like the early 1990s did for SoCal defense contractors, then the worst is yet to come. And so far as I recall, we did not have the accumulated debt from two protracted Middle East wars to contend with during the early 1990s defense industry pullback.

Huge defense cuts could affect S.D. companies
Monday, August 9, 2010 at 3:44 p.m.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said today that the defense budget must be cut by $100 billion over the next five years, and that about 10 percent of that money will directly affect contractors, especially those who support or directly work in intelligence gathering.

Gates called for the elimination of the Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Virginia, and the phasing out of scores of military and civilian executive positions. But it is unclear where other cuts will be made. The cuts — if they survive Congress — could impact San Diego County contractors, which are involved in a broad variety of work. The reduction has the potential to affect everything from orders for new unmanned spy aircraft to the repair of Navy ships.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 08:04:04

There is no way any of the fat will be trimmed. Too many reps love that pork.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-10 08:07:28

Dueling patronage systems.

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-10 08:08:28

I am for defense cuts, even if it includes my job, as long as there are real and significant cuts in entitlement programs.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 08:15:50

If they would clean up the public union mess in this state I would let you fire me tomorrow. I would rather figure out something else to do in a healthy state than continue to watch this stupidity, knowing the destruction it will cause.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-08-10 08:10:27

We’re heavy into defense employment in this area too. Just this past weekend I heard a Rome office of a defense vendor was on a list for future shut down. The good news was the company was just restructuring and had hired big numbers in the past year. Still, not good news for the locals.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 08:17:36

I thought Rome got hammered in the early 90s. I knew somebody that owned rental houses there and figured he’d be lucky to get $20,000 per at that time.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 09:09:29

Defense cuts are coming and liquidation of military sites also…We have seen this movie before…

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 10:19:48

Ha, the City of Tustin, CA real-estate venture, helicopter-military-base-is-now-housing/retail, has “engine” thruster problems…off the ground, but currently “stalled” for the next few…months/weeks/years, your pick. ;-)

Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 11:10:45

Decades/Centuries/Millennium, your pick :)

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Comment by lavi d
2010-08-10 12:34:50

And so far as I recall, we did not have the accumulated debt from two protracted Middle East wars to contend with during the early 1990s defense industry pullback.

We were, however, paying for Reagan’s outspending the Russkies which helped end the Cold War.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 14:05:49

We were, however, paying for Reagan’s outspending the Russkies which helped end the Cold War.

That is a debatable point. We could have ended the Cold War far better without Reagan’s ridiculous spending.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 14:27:49

There was a media interview with a Russian general a few years back. I think the interviewer was from an American TV network, but I may be mistaken.

Any-hoo, the Russian general said that the United States’ massive military buildup hastened the downfall of the Soviet Union by about two weeks.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 07:47:46

Productivity falls 0.9 percent in second quarter
Productivity drops 0.9 percent in spring, first fall since 2008; labor costs edge higher.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Worker productivity dropped this spring for the first time in more than a year, a sign that companies may need to step up hiring if they hope to grow.

Productivity declined at an annual rate of 0.9 percent in the April-to-June quarter after posting large gains throughout 2009, the Labor Department said Tuesday. Unit labor costs edged up 0.2 percent in the second quarter, the first increase since the spring of 2009.

Comment by measton
2010-08-10 10:01:51

Looks like they’ve cut all the way to the bone.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-08-10 17:50:59

Those pesky numbers…

“Worker productivity dropped this spring for the first time in more than a year, a sign that companies may need to step up hiring if they hope to grow.”

Productivity is a measure of units produced per work hour. If you want to increase productivity you don’t INCREASE the work force, you DECREASE the work force.

Or …

You can boost the productivity number by keeping the work hours the same and boost the amount of units produced.

But boosting the number of units produced isn’t a problem - right now the factory utilization is at 74.1 percent and falling - the problem is there is no way to SELL all the units that are produced.

The productivity problem isn’t one of production, it is one of distribution. It is a problem of not being able to sell all the units that the workers can produce. Hiring more workers won’t solve the productivity problem, in fact it will just make it worse.

Only money will solve the problem, money in the hands of customers that they can fork it over to buy the units.

Comment by CA renter
2010-08-11 03:06:49

That’s exactly how I see it, combo.

It’s a *demand* problem, not a supply/productivity problem.

If the drop in productivity is due to a drop in demand, then it might be a precursor to more layoffs.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 07:56:40

Clipped from Max Kieser:

Google’s betrayal of the public trust and abuse of the tax funded subsidy gifted to them – to bilk hundreds of billions in revenues from the publicly financed Internet – has made them public enemy No 2, right behind Lloyd Blankfein.

We will all be living in a virtual Gaza soon; a digital ghetto created by war profiteering, market and regulatory rigging scum that blast their poisonous lies over corporate media 24/7 – corrupting babies in the womb.

Children born in America today will be born into a Google-Verizon owned and operated digital ghetto. Next on the agenda will be new laws to legalize online gambling. This will be the final nail in the coffin of the country previously known as America.

I feel privileged, I have lived during the time of ‘Peak America.’ I feel horrible for those coming up now; grad school debt slaves working as pole dancers, MIT ‘quant’ geeks working as ‘fluffers’ for Goldman Sachs. They will never know what America was like before the womb robbing pigs and charlatans on Wall St. and Google sucked the marrow of the Declaration of Independence of its very last drops of hope.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-10 08:05:57

I will have you know sir that online gambling is already perfectly legal. As evdience I submit my online brokerage account.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 10:13:45

Ha! :-)

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-08-10 10:18:44

Net neutrality is something the right and the left should agree on. The internet has been great for debate, innovation, and information gathering and these pigs want to take that away so they can crush any competition.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 12:05:41

A now-deceased, very conservative friend and I disagreed on many things. But get us on the topic of Net Neutrality, and we were in complete harmony.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-08-10 12:39:28

Net neutrality is something the right and the left should agree on.

Net neutrality can easily be guaranteed by competition in the broadband provider marketplace.

The FCC just needs to reinstate their line-sharing rules.

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-08-10 12:37:56

…womb robbing pigs…sucked the marrow of the Declaration of Independence

Turn off the Coast-to-Coast and step away from the You Tube machine.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 17:07:48

Right?

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 08:01:20

New Jersey’s Xanadu Taken Over From Colony by Lenders
Aug 10, 2010

Meadowlands Xanadu, the unfinished $2 billion New Jersey shopping mall designed with an indoor ski slope and a Ferris wheel, was taken over by lenders from a group led by Colony Capital LLC after construction stalled.

The lenders are negotiating with new developers to complete the project, the group said in a statement today. The creditors, including Credit Suisse Group AG, Capmark Financial Group Inc. and an affiliate of Fortress Investment Group LLC, had given the Colony-led group until yesterday to raise additional equity, four people with knowledge with the matter said last week.

Xanadu, located about 10 miles (16 kilometers) west of Manhattan in East Rutherford, has been plagued by delays since construction began five years ago. Colony and investors including Dune Capital Management LP took over the project from Mills Corp. in 2006, agreeing to invest $500 million and arrange $1 billion in financing. Development ran into trouble after lender Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. went bankrupt in 2008.

Comment by Doghouse Riley
2010-08-10 14:17:45

It was his SLED!!

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 08:06:27

Update from the nabe: The house behind me, which was purchased by a University of Arizona student back in 2006 (an all-cash deal for $135k), is on the market for the third time.

Back in the summer of ‘07, he tried flipping the place. Didn’t work. So, he started renting it out. Most of the tenants have been just fine with me. The current crop are slobs, but, for the most part, they’ve been quiet.

Well, he listed it again this summer for ’bout a month. Didn’t sell. And, if you saw the condition of the yard and the exterior, you’d know why. (They all but scream “Needs work!”)

Now it’s on the market as a rent-to-own. And I pity the person who falls for that ploy, because not only will they be paying above-market rent, they’ll be buying a property with no street frontage and a lot of deferred maintenance and repairs. That is, if they can buy it. Quite often, R2O deals fall through.

Oh, about that all-cash deal back in ‘06: I strongly suspect that the kid’s parents HELOC-ed their residence so that he could get into real estate investing.

Comment by measton
2010-08-10 10:20:06

My neighbor just told me a similar sob story about how they purchased a home for their college age son in 2006 as an investment. I’ve heard that education is expensive but I’ll bet they had no idea how expensive it was going to be.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 12:09:47

I left a couple of things out of the above story:

Item #1: Last year, when I was having my water line replaced, I was researching the ownership of the properties the line traverses before it reaches mine. I got a little help from the neighborhood association president, and she told me that the owner of the currently R2O behind me was delinquent on his property taxes. I’ll bet he got quite an education from the Pima County Treasurer’s Office.

Item #2: During my line replacement, the water line into the currently R2O was leaking badly. So, he had my plumbers replace it. According to the lead guy on that job and mine, he was not too pleased about having to fork over the money. And fast forward to this year. He just had to have his water heater replaced.

Methinks that he’s pursuing R2O as a way of bailing out of what’s turning out to be a money pit.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 17:10:54

Must be nice. College and a house. Did they buy him a car as well?

I cannot begin to tell you how little respect I have for someone with those advantages.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 17:33:07

When he lived behind me in 2006-2007, he drove a fairly new car. Which led me to believe that the car also was a parental purchase.

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Comment by hip in zilker
2010-08-10 11:23:10

I noticed a house newly on the market a few blocks away (Austin MLS #3528077). A young couple sold it in IIRC spring 2006.

They had lived there just a few years and were moving out of state; they weren’t flippers, just moving on. At that time, small cottages were selling for around $320,000. I don’t know what that couple sold for.

The current seller is asking $295,000. I suppose they consider that pricing it to sell (under $300,000!)

It’s 720 square feet on a small lot, built 1937, probably doesn’t have much of a foundation (likely cement blocks in lieu of piers). I looked at photos on a UHS website - they make it look large, until you notice that the front door appears to be four and a half feet wide and things in the background look Lilliputian. It looks nicely renovated - nice paint and trim, “luxury” bath but period kitchen, stagey-looking furnishings. It was in good shape in 2006, but not so renovated-looking. The plantings were prettier before, but there has been hardscaping added. Money has been spent.

It’s similar to my rent house, so I have some sense of what it is worth. There is no way it will sell for $295,000, even though that is less than other houses are asking - they are all larger. It could be rented for $1,000+ per month, max $1,200. (x 120 = $144,000. Taking into account that it’s a great neighborhood, say x 160 = $192,000.)

Someone got stucco. (Hope it was some Bay Area investor rather than the young couple I see in the yard now and then.)

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-08-10 14:04:44

Ooh, and with “pier-and-beam” foundation, where do I sign up? Definitely look like some camera tricks going on in those photos…

Comment by hip in zilker
2010-08-10 14:31:52

You might want to pad your offer and see if they will throw in their ‘art.’

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-08-10 15:49:03

Constructing my escalation clause as we speak!

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 14:36:40

Aw, sleepless, you would have to bring up camera tricks. But here I go again…

I know I keep piling on this R2O, but I can’t help it. Not when it’s being promoted by bad Photoshopping like this.

Note to the photo editors: You don’t use the airbrush to show clouds during Arizona’s monsoon season. And blurring the weeds in the front yard won’t make them go away.

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Comment by rms
2010-08-10 21:05:41

Not an inspiring looking place for $144k.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-08-10 23:01:19

I would consider $144k as a rental property - that’s not saying it would be a good deal, just that I might buy it. I would expect to put $10,000 - $15,000 on the foundation and concomitant repairs (taping and floating, repainting, re-hanging doors from house shifting).

It would seem a super deal at $85,000, to me as fantasy landlord.

In a normal world, it should be a $25,000 house as a starter house for a couple or single mom working at UT.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-11 00:42:11

Doesn’t look like a whole lot of insulation there…must be a nice summer AC bill.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 15:52:06

The current seller is asking $295,000. It’s 720 square feet on a small lot, built 1937

America Land of the Free! :-)

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 08:06:42

Hillary for Vice President? WSJ
The movement is gaining traction.

As President Obama sinks in the polls, Democrats and liberal pundits inevitably are searching for a scapegoat. The most likely victim appears to be gaffe-prone Vice President Joe Biden, who has become the focus of speculation that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton just might replace him on the 2012 Democratic ticket.

Former Virginia Gov. Doug Wilder, his state’s first African-American governor, touched off the controversy. Writing at Politico.com last week, Mr. Wilder argued that Mr. Biden’s tenure has been undistinguished and chock full of “too many YouTube moments.” He charged that Mr. Biden “has continued to undermine what little confidence the public may have had in him.”

By way of contrast, Mr. Wilder says that Hillary Clinton has excelled in her role. “Clinton has been nothing but a team player who has earned good marks since being asked to serve as secretary of state.” Having Mrs. Clinton join the 2012 ticket, he said, would revive the Democratic Party and reestablish the party’s working-class voters who found her appealing during the 2012 primaries against Mr. Obama.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 08:19:40

No way Hillary will settle for Vice. She will relish the chance to take down a weakened Obama. Even more important I don’t think Bill would let her. Bill hates O.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-10 08:48:35

Please Hillary, run for Pres! The repubs’ bench is empty and the thought of The One having another four years after this term is too dreadful to contemplate.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 08:55:08

A debate between Hillary and Palin would hurt every dog’s ears on the planet.

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Comment by lavi d
2010-08-10 12:43:09

A debate between Hillary and Palin would hurt every dog’s ears on the planet.

Lumberjack Barbie vs. the Wicked Witch of the West Wing.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-11 00:47:55

I know lots of people who wont vote for OH again…unless by some miracle they get their old good paying jobs back soon

He will be Like our David Dinkins highest murder rate and looked helpless, we will see an asian and Indian president before we will elect another on of his color…maybe not again for 30 years.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2010-08-10 11:01:20

I don’t think the Democratic National Committee would have a problem with Vladimir Putin running for Prez.

You could count on the Daily Kos and New York Times to applaud the idea. After all, Putin has lots of experience with corruption, graft and bribery concealment; which is just what the Dems need.

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Comment by lavi d
2010-08-10 13:48:02

…lots of experience with corruption, graft and bribery concealment; which is just what the Dems need.

They certainly couldn’t get any from Delay, Craig or Sanford

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-10 10:17:45

Hillary is IMHO just waiting to make a big splash with some diplomatic triumph. She will then quit and run against Barry.

It pains me to say this, but I’d much rather put Hillary in charge than Barry. Maybe Dick Morris was prescient in his book “Condi vs. Hillary”. :lol:

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 11:08:20

Hillary is IMHO just waiting to make a big splash with some diplomatic bull run triumph

Hillary = McClellan 1864 :-)

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-08-10 11:41:20

Man, if only the Repub’s offered Condi. At least I could pull that lever w/o being scared out of my mind at the future. I wonder why there was never a poll conducted to find how many votes Mrs “I can see Russia from my house” cost McCain.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-08-10 15:43:20

I had a “Condi 2008″ bumper sticker on my pickup truck for a couple of years here in capital-of-red-state-America Boise. Sure got a lot of thumbs up and favorable comments about her.

Recently I even named my newest kitty - a black female - Condoleezza in her honor. Kitty Condi brooks no nonsense from commie birds and muslim mice.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-11 00:50:47

I still say her and bush jr had the hots for each other…

 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 08:41:57

I predict that, before long, Chelsea will add one or two little ones to the mix. After all, she’s 30 years old, and that biological clock just keeps on ticking.

My next prediction: Hillary will be so charmed by the grandkid(s) that she’ll thrown in the political towel and spend a lot of time in the granny role.

Comment by AztoORtoCOtoOr
2010-08-10 10:04:36

Actually, Hillary would rather have a village raise the grandkids. I don’t think she wants to be bothered with life outside of politics.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 12:13:07

Awwww, but wait ’til she lays eyes on the first grandchild. Hearts will melt, and that will be the end of Hillary’s life in politics.

And, hate to be morbid, but have you seen photos of Bill recently? I think there’s a lot more to his heart troubles that what’s being publicized.

So, even though he sure hasn’t been the perfect spouse, Hillary won’t have him around for too many more years. Which means she’ll have no kin left except Chelsea and the kid(s).

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-08-10 13:16:14

“but wait ’til she lays eyes on the first grandchild. Hearts will melt, and that will be the end of Hillary’s life in politics.”

IIRC, she had no problem leaving baby Chelsea behind and heading to the lawfirm. Why would this leopard now change its spots?

I cannot tell you the amount of Moms I’ve listened to who bitterly complain of their parents globe hopping when the new parents think they should be home spending time snuggling kidlets. Doesn’t always happen.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-08-10 08:45:49

Get ready for a slower HBB

But many of Google’s former allies in the Net-neutrality policy battle say Google’s description of its proposal did not tell the full story. “It’s the next Google in a garage in Palo Alto that will be hurt by this,” says Susan Crawford, a former White House technology adviser who now teaches at Cardozo School of Law. “This allows for the cable-ization of an Internet access provider.”

By cable-ization, Crawford is referring to the holy grail for current wireless phone and broadband providers, who are seeking new ways to raise revenues from the Internet access they control. Currently, broadband and mobile companies sell access to the entire Internet for a flat fee, and do not share in any revenues for the content that flows over their pipes. In the future, these same companies would like to offer premium services - new, faster, specialized information superhighways - that would allow them to charge subscription rates, in much the same way that cable providers now do for channels like HBO and ESPN. (See pictures of work and life at Google.)

Under the Google-Verizon proposal, which will be reviewed by lawmakers over the coming months, the existing public landline Internet would be protected from any prioritization of content. But companies that own data lines could also provide, according to the Google-Verizon announcement, “additional online services” over broadband wires that “could include traffic prioritization.” In other words, you could still watch YouTube videos online at current speeds, but other video products - first-run movies, for instance, or live sporting events - could become available at even faster speeds for a fee.

Furthermore, under the Google-Verizon plan, there would be no limits on wireless data providers who wanted to prioritize data. That means, for example, that if Wireless Phone Company X struck a deal with the National Football League but not Major League Baseball, it would be able to provide streaming footage of football games to iPhones or BlackBerrys at higher speeds than those of baseball footage. The hypothetical “two people in a garage” with a start-up who wanted you to see their videos would be encouraged to cut a deal with the wireless company to gain higher-speed access to customers.

In this case regulation that requires equal access speeds is the best for fostering creative companies and competition. Verizon Cable and Google want to cement their positions and crush all competition. The internet has been a great place of start ups and competition. If these pigs get their way we will have cable-ized internet where you will have access to MSM news and ESPN, but blogs will move slowly and will be dropped periodically requiring you to sign back in.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 09:45:20

Who can remember when Google said they would do no evil?

That lie is right up there with, “read my lips, no new taxes” and “I didn’t get elected to help some fat-cat bankers”.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 10:56:50

I do!

Let’s all join in!…make it a really “effective” Boycott:

Microsoft / Apple / Google / eBay / PayPal / single malt Scotch! :-)

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 12:14:28

Speaking as someone who’s had to use cable Internet due to the lack of other good choices in the Tucson market, the sooner it gets some competition, the better.

IMHO, cable companies can’t die soon enough.

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-10 15:37:39

I’m so glad I can use Clear (nee Clearwire). I don’t have to deal with either the local phone company or the local cable company.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 15:39:08

I’m looking forward to the day when Clear arrives in the Old Pueblo. If, for nothing else, to see how they knock Cox, Comcast, and Qwest on their @sses.

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Comment by butters
2010-08-10 08:56:41

GoldMoney??

Does anyone here use GoldMoney? I have listened to the Turk guy, few times, he sounds very genuine. Is it a scam or a fraud?

If it’s legitimate, what are the benefits and risks?

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-10 09:09:55

So……..what can anyone tell me about the expat lifestyle in SE Asia?

Comment by DinOR
2010-08-10 11:18:44

X-GSfixr,

Actually ‘lived’ it for quite some time. Basically 1980 to 1989. The game has changed but at least in the P.I ( Philippine Islands ) I def. think for the better!

At the time, any new tech. could be years… away and very expensive. Now, with a growing middle class ( fancy that ) anything we have hits there within 2 weeks. But w/ all that progress, it’s not as cheap as it used to be.

I’ve heard now to live ‘comfortably’ you’ll want to have at least $1,500 a month coming in. Remember, a lot of the Korean/VN-era guys were getting by on $400-$600 a month. I think renting is a great value there. A house, w/ guest house and pool will cost several million pesos, but you can rent a really nice place in Cebu for 25k pesos a mo. Furnished. They have decent health ins. there ( affordable ) and a good many of ‘our’ doctors ‘here’ are from there.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 09:56:50

Memo to Bernanke: Forget ‘QE2′, the Fed Should RAISE Rates to Help the Economy Aug 10, 2010

The Fed meets today against an economic backdrop that is “unusually uncertain,” as Ben Bernanke put it last month

Given the economy’s recent deceleration and comments from various Fed-heads, many market players are expecting and hoping the Fed today at least hints at more “tools” it can use to spur growth and hiring.

But not longtime Fed watcher Richard Suttmeier, chief market strategist at ValuEngine.com. “I think they’re talk about what they might do - quantitative easing if they need to - but I sure hope they don’t.”

Given the “unusually uncertain” backdrop Bernanke identified, Suttmeier believes the Fed is better off standing pat - or hint at raising rates if they’re going to do anything.

“It’s a condition where rates are so low, no one can make any money in a safe investment,” he says, amid reports of investors once-again ‘chasing yield’ in riskier assets, as well as speculating on commodities.

“I don’t think we need a zero percent interest rate from the Fed,” Suttmeier says. “We need prudent allocation of credit where credit is needed and warranted. We don’t want to go lend to people just to create more bad loans.”

Comment by salinasron
2010-08-10 10:06:19

““It’s a condition where rates are so low, no one can make any money in a safe investment,” he says, amid reports of investors once-again ‘chasing yield’ in riskier assets, as well as speculating on commodities.”

That’s the idea, take the monies sitting on the sidelines to keep the Fed going. As for me, in that case maybe it’s time to buy PM and put them in a safety deposit box just to pull the money out of circulation.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-08-11 03:28:44

Great commentary, wmbz. Thanks for sharing it.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 10:13:49

“General Notions Are Generally Wrong.” ~Lady Mary Wortley Montagu

MRS. O’LEARY’S COW KICKED OVER A LANTERN AND STARTED THE GREAT CHICAGO FIRE.
No. The cow was innocent. Newspaperman Michael Ahearn made up that story, and admitted it before he died in 1927.

THE U.S. CONSTITUTION IS A CONTRACT AMONG CITIZENS.
No, it isn’t. And it’s not a set a rules by which we live. The Constitution controls the government, not individual citizens. A citizen does not sign it, does not pledge to it, nor in any other manner obligates to it - UNLESS he or she enters public office. Only then must a citizen swear to uphold the Constitution…as an officer of government.

TAXES ARE DUES WE PAY FOR FREEDOM.
Not at all. That misleading political slogan came from Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. Money is property, and when the state takes a constantly increasing share of your property you are less free, not more.

THE FOUNDING FATHERS PUT “IN GOD WE TRUST” ON THE MONEY TO SIGNIFY A CHRISTIAN NATION.
They did no such thing. It began to appear on U.S. coins in the 1860s but was not imprinted on the one-cent coin until 1909. The motto didn’t show up on paper bills until 1957.

THE GOLDEN RULE IS A BIBLICAL ADMONITION.
No, it isn’t. “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” appears nowhere in the King James version of the Bible. There are, however, similar statements, such as - “…Thou shall love they neighbor as thyself.”

“DIXIE” COMES FROM A REFERENCE TO THE MASON-DIXON LINE.
Not at all. The likely source of the word is an antique ten-dollar bill from French speaking New Orleans. A bank in that city issued the ten-spot bearing the French word for ten in large letters. “Dix.” Non-French folks called them “dixies.”

SHERLOCK HOLMES WAS FOND OF EXCLAIMING “ELEMENTARY, MY DEAR WATSON.”
The Great Detective never said it, although Basil Rathbone may have uttered the phrase in the movies. Nowhere in the 56 short stories or four novels by Conan Doyle does Sherlock Holmes make the remark.

THOMAS EDISON INVENTED THE ELECTRIC LIGHT BULB.
No, he didn’t. He merely improved upon work that had gone on before. As early as 1844, three years before Edison was born, Jean Foucault made an arc light strong enough to illuminate the Place de la Concorde in Paris. In 1860 an Englishman, William Swan, displayed a light bulb. He made a successful carbon filament lamp in 1878, several months before Edison “invented it.”

“The most costly of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.” ~H.L. Mencken

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-10 14:34:54

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” appears nowhere in the King James version of the Bible.

Luke 6:31 (KJV)

“And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.”

NIV: Do to others as you would have them do to you.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 16:54:47

“The most costly of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.” ~H.L. Mencken

“Wmbz never posts “TrueRumors™”” ~ Hwy50ina49Dodge :-)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 10:18:50

“I said we’d build an economy that can compete in the 21st century — because the economy that we had even before the recession, even before the financial crisis, wasn’t working for too many Americans”.

~ B. Obama

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 10:51:50

because the economy that we had even before the recession, even before the financial crisis, wasn’t working for too many Americans”

“You LIE!” David Lereahaaaaaaaaaheeheheheeha :-)

Comment by CrackerJim
2010-08-10 19:14:57

Cut it out, Hwy! I’m starting to like you!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 10:29:45

In Washington State, it costs Obama’s annual salary to create or ’save’ one stimulus job.

Bellevue, WA – Washington State received over $6 billion in stimulus funds. Of that, $5,945,163,990 has been spent. According to recovery.wa.gov, the Washington State government site charged with keeping track of stimulus money spent throughout Washington State and the jobs saved or created from those funds, 14,495 jobs have been saved or created at an average cost of $410,152.74 per job.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-08-10 10:34:45

Mission Accomplished

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-10 10:39:11

Think of the Children, wmbz - think of the Children.

(specifically the children of the DC bureaucrats - they’ve got to eat, don’t they?)

Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 14:55:04

I know, the poor chidrens, got to make sure they get a new, not used bimmer when it comes time to drive. I am a heartless bastard!

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 10:47:00

$6 billion in stimulus funds = 100% wages

 
 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-08-10 10:51:50

Gates announced closure of the Joint Forces Command. Here where I live, they employ about 6000. Better paying contractor positions (avg $83K versus norm of $38k) in the region. Lots of people are going to be struggling. I have friends who are worrying about parents. Friends directly affected. I used to work there for a bit. It funded lots of nicer homes.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 11:45:06

“Addicted to War” has funded lots of nicer homes,…nothing personal. (that’s a multi-cultural reference)

 
Comment by goirishgohoosiers
2010-08-10 13:42:29

Is Oceana scheduled to close sometime in the near future? If so, then Norfolk and VB are going to be in for a big hit.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 10:58:44

Scrolling Ads! …Yikes! I’m a cornfused as a baby in top-less bar.

Comment by hip in zilker
2010-08-10 11:31:01

You have a problem with buffets?

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-08-10 11:58:38

… annnnnd the treasury bubble continues.

10-year down to 2.74% yield after the FOMC statement.

Cripes. Well I’ve said for some time that treasuries are the next bubble. There you have it.

If you thought the popping of the housing bubble was ugly - wait’ll this one pops. The last one resulted in a political regime change - this one will result in a political system change, I would imagine.

Comment by packman
2010-08-10 12:00:53

For those wondering - the Fed’s plan is to roll over MBS as they mature into treasuries.

Fed to Keep Balance Sheet From Shrinking

Federal Reserve officials moved to prevent the Fed’s huge balance sheet from shrinking, an attempt to spur the U.S. economy’s recovery and avoid deflation.

At the end of a policy-meeting Tuesday, Fed officials said they would reinvest the proceeds from expiring mortgage-backed securities into longer-term U.S. Treasurys. The move should help a weakening economy by keeping mortgage rates low.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 15:37:58

the Fed’s plan is to roll over MBS as they mature into treasuries

“Long-Term” score: ;-)

Bungee-cord Theory = 1
Rope-around-the-Throat = 0

That’s just the way it’s gonna be Mr. Bear Packy…

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-10 16:50:50

Maybe I’m just plain stupid, but just how exactly are there any “proceeds” from mortgage-backed securites when the loans are all impaired and all? Can someone please explain?

Comment by packman
2010-08-10 19:42:19

I asked this question of some folks the other day when the “proceeds” word was used in this context. “Proceeds” sometimes means “profit”, which as you say in this case very much doesn’t apply. However it also sometimes just means “incoming money”, which it does in this case (as the mortgages are paid).

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Comment by measton
2010-08-10 13:19:11

How long did the stock bubble last??

Comment by packman
2010-08-10 13:29:56

Which one?

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 12:00:46

Quest announces new layoffs. ~ Aug 10, 2010

SANDPOINT, IDAHO — Quest Aircraft Co. announced Monday that 65 full-time employees have been laid off from the local plane manufacturer.
Quest CEO Paul Schaller met with the employees Monday and emphasized they would be eligible to be rehired once the economy picks up.

Quest now has 155 employees — down from 340 last year. A series of layoffs last September, January and April were needed to reflect a slowdown of orders for the $1 million Kodiak plane, he said.

Quest has now manufactured 42 planes here since 2005, with No. 42 going out the doors to New Guinea on Monday.

The layoffs came from each department, Schaller said.

“The whole airline business is in a very soft spot right now,” Schaller said. “We are trying to get through it by tightening our belts the best we can.”

The Quest facility is currently producing two planes a month and was producing three for a short time before the September layoffs. The facility now has the capacity to produce one plane a week, if the economy would cooperate, he said.

Comment by scdave
2010-08-10 13:54:43

You are a data mining machine wmbz..Nice post..

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 15:32:39

Geez, like Ford stock, Ol’ Hwy keeps getting stuck on Hope & Change! ;-)

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Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 13:14:49

Fed Signals Further Easing Amid Slowing US Economy
Reuters with CNBC

The Federal Reserve on Tuesday took fresh steps to lower borrowing costs amid a softening economic recovery, announcing it would use proceeds from its maturing mortgage bonds to buy more government debt.

The decision to reinvest proceeds from the more than $1.3 trillion in mortgage-related debt the Fed holds, an effort to keep market-set borrowing costs down, represents a significant policy shift.

Just a few months ago, the central bank had been avidly debating an exit strategy from the extraordinary stimulus delivered during the financial crisis.

“To help support the economic recovery in a context of price stability, the committee will keep constant the Federal Reserve’s holdings of securities at their current level by reinvesting principal payments from agency debt and agency mortgage-backed securities in longer-term Treasury securities,” the Fed said in a statement.

The move was somewhat surprising.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-11 01:00:48

WOW all this easing and not a single 0.1% drop in my CC rates…

I love this new math.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 13:59:42

Birmingham home sales drop 41% in July
Birmingham Business Journal

July home sales in Birmingham took a sharp turn for the worse, as the tax credit expiration stalled sales, said local real estate blog TomBrander.com.

Analyzing local Multiple Listing Service information for last month, Brander said sales dropped by 41 percent to $144.1 million from June’s $243.8 million and by 37 percent from last year’s $227.4 million.

Unit sales were down 36 percent for the month in the Birmingham area – 889 sold in July, compared to 1,397 in June and 1,298 in July 2009. New home sales fell 61 percent to 86 sold during the month, from 261 in June.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 14:03:36

San Luis, Mexico businesses closing

San Luis, Mexico — Mexico’s National Chamber of Commerce says at least 20% of businesses in San Luis, Mexico have had to shut down this summer.

The chamber says most of the closures can be blamed on a combination of slow sales and high heat because business owners simply can’t afford to pay their power bills since they aren’t getting enough customers to offset the costs.

Many businesses in San Luis also suffered damages and inventory losses due to the Easter Sunday earthquake and have been unable to recover from that.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 14:33:11

Was watching Telemundo at the gym a few months ago.

While the U.S. English-speaking media gave light coverage to this earthquake, Telemundo didn’t. And that’s a shame, because there were entire Mexican villages that got flattened. We heard almost nothing about this.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-10 14:51:36

Americans are avoiding Mexican border towns like the plague. Way too dangerous these days.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 14:12:01

Found: Britain’s oldest house at 10,500 years old is uncovered by archaeologists. ~ 10th August 2010

It is cramped, draughty and unlikely to win any design awards.

But according to archaeologists, this wooden hut is one of the most important buildings ever created in Britain.

The Stone Age builders who created Britain’s earliest known house were nomads - tribes who wandered northern Europe following deer, wild cattle and elk.

Although Britain had been visited by hunter-gatherers for hundreds of thousands of years, it was only at the end of the last Ice Age 10,000 years ago - when the glaciers finally retreated from Scotland - that the country became permanently occupied.

At the time the sea level was hundreds of feet lower than it is today and Britain was connected to mainland Europe by a bridge of marshy, low lying land.

The discovery of red deer skulls used as masks near the site - and the fact that it was used for such a long period of time - raises the possibility that it was some kind of temple, used for strange, long forgotten rituals.

The creators of the hut wore animal skins and furs, stitched together with crude thread. The furs came from fox, beavers and pine-martins, while the skins were made from the hides of deer and wild cattle.

They were beginning to experiment with woven fabrics and had mastered basket weaving from reeds.

Thousands of miles away, in the Fertile Crescent of Mesopotamia, the earliest farmers were learning how to sow seeds and domesticate animals in a discovery that would transform the world - and herald the age of villages, writing and civilisation.

But in northern Europe, the hunter-gathering way of life that had served prehistoric man for millennia remained unchallenged

Built more than 6,000 years before Stonehenge, it provided shelter from the icy winds and storms that battered the nomadic hunters roaming Britain at the end of the last Ice Age.

Remains of the 11 ft wide building were discovered near Scarborough in North Yorkshire and have been dated to at least 8,500BC.

It stood next to an ancient lake and close to the remains of a wooden timber quay side.

A large tree trunk has also been uncovered by the team. Despite being 11,000 years old it is well preserved with its bark still intact.

The house predates what was previously Britain’s oldest known dwelling at Howick, Northumberland, by at least 500 years.

The centre of the structure had been hollowed out and filled with organic material. The researchers believe the floor was once carpeted with a layer of reeds, moss or grasses. The team believe there may once have been a fireplace.

None of the wood used to make the building has survived. Instead, archaeologists found the tell-tale signs of 18 timber posts, arranged in a circle.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 22:03:53

“Britain’s oldest house at 10,500 years old is uncovered by archaeologists.”

I though California had long-term bubble issues. It seems Britain’s housing market has been bubbling away now for over ten millennia.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-08-10 14:36:20

Drugs, mental illness, or the sign of mounting anger in America?

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/lunchtime_links_woman_goes_int.html

Woman goes into drive-thru frenzy when she’s denied McNuggets (video)

Man, this is ugly.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 18:04:01

Mary Met,…6:30 am start headin’ out on the highway to a new day-care job in AZ. :-)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 18:16:46

Isn’t this old news?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 15:13:45

North Korea offers ginseng to pay Czech debt
Warsaw ~ August 10 2010

Pyongyang’s cash-strapped totalitarian regime has offered to settle part of its debt to the Czech Republic with a large consignment of ginseng rather than eat into its limited funds.

With the domestic economy crumbling, North Korea is also feeling the pinch of tighter international sanctions imposed over its nuclear and missile programmes and the sinking of a South Korean warship. Its access to global markets is further hindered by outstanding international debts of about $12bn, two-thirds to former communist states.

Czech officials confirmed that Pyongyang had offered to settle 5 per cent of its Kc186m ($10m) in accumulated debt in ginseng, an invigorating root used in dietary supplements and teas that are supposed to improve memory, stamina and libido. Communist Czechoslovakia was a leading supplier of heavy machinery, trucks and trams to North Korea.

Non-cash trade and settlement of debt has been common among socialist countries. Cuba compensates Venezuela for discounted oil by sending doctors to work in deprived areas.

However, the now-capitalist Czechs are unconvinced they need an injection of vigour.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-10 16:45:41

I just finished reading Barbara Demick’s book, Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea. A truly depressing read.

The North Korean people have been forced to eat grass and bark in order to survive. And they aren’t.

Take a look at the documentary “Welcome to North Korea” and note how tiny the members of the military are. That’s malnutrition, people.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-10 15:16:52

Fed Can’t Do Much More to Boost Economy: El-Erian
Published: Tuesday, 10 Aug 2010 | 9:43 AM ET

Despite all the anticipation over today’s Federal Reserve meeting, there’s little else the central bank can do now to help the economy recover, Pimco’s co-CEO Mohamed El-Erian told CNBC.

“Fed policy is not enough. You need to do more than that to get off that road,” he said.

Asked what needs to be done, he said, “First, selling a vision, a long-term vision as to what the policy response is to restore growth and employment. And second, to fill it out with proper structural policies.”

The Tuesday Fed meeting is likely to end with the central bank assuring markets it will use “all viable instruments” to prop up the economy, El-Erian said.

However, it is less certain “the extent to which the Fed will push banks to lend and will push investors to take more risks.”

He also expects the Fed to use the “unusually uncertain outlook” for the economy that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke recently coined to describe the times ahead. El-Erian cited three reasons for the uncertainty.

“First, it’s very difficult to get consensus on the FOMC. Second, there’s a realization that policy effectiveness is going down. You get less outcomes for the same unit of reaction. And third, it’s the wrong thing to focus on,” he said.

“The country is facing structural issues and it needs structural solutions,” he added. “Just focusing on the Fed is like sending in a wide receiver to play quarterback. Yes, the wide receiver is a good athlete. But he’s not a quarterback and we need to focus on structural issues.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-10 16:50:42

Let me try to decipher a bit of this:

“structural issues” = housing bust

“structural solutions” = something other than housing market hair-of-the-dog

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-10 17:00:47

Don’t forget off shoring/workforce globalization, technology displacement, immigration policy, tax policy, labor policy/real wages, demographics (aging Boomers) - structural issues all.

The housing bust is part of this, a big part - but the real 800 lb. gorilla is that given current policies and socioeconomic trajectories - the overall postwar standard of living is in decline for the vast majority. Perhaps this can be changed, but as El-Erian suggests, Benny doesn’t have all the answers by any means.

 
 
 
Comment by llking
2010-08-10 15:18:01

Wow, so many bad news. I can’t bear it anymore.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 15:45:44

North Jersey companies announce 441 layoffs
Tuesday, August 10, 2010 The Record

North Jersey companies have announced 441 layoffs at three facilities, including manufacturers of cardboard and cosmetics, and the Wayne office of Toshiba America Consumer Products, LLC, state records show.

President Container Group, a 63-year-old maker of cardboard packaging and point-of-purchase materials in Moonachie, said it will cut 234 jobs at the start of October, according to the New Jersey Department of Labor and Workforce Development website.

The labor department also said Toshiba America Consumer Products, will lay off 60 people at the end of September.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 15:47:39

Plymouth contractor closes
The Business Journal of Milwaukee

Plymouth builder Jim Pankow Inc. is closing after 33 years of business and will auction off its equipment and tools in early September.

The contractor started building houses and then branched into commercial, industrial and institutional projects. Pankow hired Hansen & Young Auctioneers Inc., of Prairie Farm, to hold an online auction to sell its fleet of heavy equipment and tools. The company is selling about 17 pieces of heavy equipment, 12 work vans and trucks, scaffolding, construction site office trailers and concrete tools.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 15:51:51

Dean Foods closes Florence PET dairy plant

FLORENCE,S.C. — Dean Foods is closing its PET dairy plant in Florence on Oct. 29, eliminating 151 positions in the process.

Production at the plant will be phased out over the next two months.

“We regret the impact that this will have on our employees. The decision to eliminate jobs and close locations in any part of our business is never an easy one. We operate in a highly competitive marketplace, so we must run our business in the most efficient way possible,” Dean Foods said in a press release issued Tuesday.

Dean Foods, based in Dallas, is the nation’s largest dairy processor. It made $44.8 million during the second quarter of 2010, which ended June 30. In 2009 Dean Foods made $64.1 million during the second quarter.

For the first time in 30 years, Engles told the Dallas Morning News, which reported the plans to shut down the Florence facility Aug. 4, the company is seeing differences in weekly buying trends, with sales spiking at the beginning of the month but trailing off by the end of the month when some households run out of money.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-11 01:56:40

Hey wmbz:

They can all get jobs in columbia at boeing…I mean a factory worker is a factory worker…right????…..plus its a nice scenic drive…..hey they can carpool too..

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 15:55:42

Two centuries after his name became synonymous with cotton, Barry Whitney is getting out of the family business.
August 10, 2010 ~ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Whitney — a nephew several times removed of cotton gin inventor Eli Whitney — found there is less use for businesses like his in the place where cotton was once king.

Whitney’s great-grandfather, his grandfather and his father were in the cotton business of marketing cotton for the farmers who grew it.

But now, 142-years after S.M. Whitney Co. opened in Augusta, it is closing.

The marketing is now done by large organizations or cooperatives, and this no need for the smaller “commission merchants” like S.M. Whitney.

“I’d hoped to leave it to my step-son but we’re just not handling enough cotton to stay in business,” said Whitney, 82. “We used to have fifty thousand, sixty-thousand, seventy-thousand bales of cotton a year. The past few years it’s been around 12,000.

“We’re going to shut down at the end of August.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 16:10:46

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Hooray!, That might free up some parking spaces at the airport for “TrueHaskell™” :-)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 15:57:45

Diversified Information Technologies announces unspecified number of layoffs.~ August 10, 2010

Diversified Information Technologies Inc. will shed some employees as it moves toward more automation, the company’s top administrator said Tuesday.

“Change is never easy, but it is important that we stay ahead of what’s happening in the industry and the industry is moving toward a new automated environment,” said Scott Byers, president and chief executive of the Scranton-based information-management company. “We are changing the business model where there will be some staffing changes.”

Mr. Byers declined to say how many of the company’s 600 employees will be affected, which includes about 350 people in Northeast Pennsylvania.

“There will be some impact in Scranton,” he said, adding that transition will take months.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-10 16:02:46

CareFusion Q4 Profit Declines On Tax Provision; To Slash 700 Jobs

(RTTNews) - CareFusion Corp. (CFN: News ) Thursday said its fourth quarter profit fell sharply from last year, hurt by after recording tax related charges, despite a 19% revenue growth. However, quarterly earnings results surpassed the Street estimates, as did revenues. The company also projected full year earnings, hinting to be in line with the estimate. Further, the company announced a restructuring plan that includes 700 job cuts.

CareFusion is a medical technology company formed from a spin-off from Cardinal Health Corp. (CAH) in 2009.

The company ventured for a company-wide restructuring, including 700 job cuts to eliminate layers of management and reduce the size of the company’s supporting infrastructure.

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-08-10 16:13:20

I’m watching PBS’s Nightly Business Report. They’re interviewing Kelly King, Chairman and CEO of BB&T bank. He’s also a director on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond.

I thought, “Wait, what?” Then I looked at the Richmond Fed page:

http://www.richmondfed.org/about_us/who_we_are/board_of_directors/index.cfm

All captains of industry, mostly Finance, Insurance, Real Estate sector.

Uh… won’t they just direct the bank in ways that benefit themselves and their industries even if it hurts the rest of the economy? Especially when circumstances are dire?

The Fed tries to present itself as a government agency, but at least government agencies have to have lobbyists bribe them, not actually run them! :-0

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-10 16:48:41

“…but at least government agencies have to have lobbyists bribe them, not actually run them!”

I can think of at least one govt agency which has been headed a disproportionate share of the past few decades by a Goldman Sachs alum. Do you want to guess which one?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-10 17:10:09

Mr. Bear, please exsplain to me again why certain “types” of horses (thoroughbreds) keep winnin’ the “Trophy” most of the time? Is it the bluegrass they eat? Their “owners” royal last name? The “type” of males that their Mothers procreate with? Perhaps, it’s just simply that they “want it more” than the next horse? There must be a “logical” determination involved right? :-/

 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-08-10 17:19:44

I’ll wager every single one of these corporate/banking elites live behind gated walls with electronic security.

It won’t do them any good.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 18:22:45

Do you all have any idea how many directors of one company are also directors of another company? Often several.

It makes incest look polite.

Nope, no collusion going on there!

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-10 16:41:59

That’s like having Andy Fastow run the Fed while he was also running Enron’s ponzi off-balance sheet “investment funds”.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-10 18:24:40

Andy, Kenny and Jeffy had a lot of “friends” in DC.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-10 17:26:22

Obama signs emergency bill to halt teacher layoffs

It`s always the teachers, police or firemen. They never mention….

The city of Bell California Robert Rizzo was raking in a salary of $787,637

By Ed Fletcher
efletcher@sacbee.com
Published: Friday, Jul. 30, 2010

The always sensitive issue of how much to pay local government officials became toxic this month with revelations that the city manager in the small Southern California city of Bell was raking in a salary of nearly $800,000 a year.

A Bee survey of the Sacramento region’s 22 cities and counties did not find any top executive salaries that would evoke the outrage unleashed over Robert Rizzo’s $787,637 salary, but it did reveal some interesting points:

• Lincoln City Manager Jim Estep’s salary of $215,000 a year makes him the seventh highest paid city or county executive in the region, equaling the pay offered the city manager of the much larger city of Sacramento. Among area cities, pay for Lincoln’s city manager has increased most – nearly 40 percent – since the beginning of the 2005 fiscal year.

By JIM ABRAMS
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Summoned back from summer break, the House on Tuesday pushed through an emergency $26 billion jobs bill that Democrats said would save 300,000 teachers, police and others from election-year layoffs. President Barack Obama immediately signed it into law.

Lawmakers streamed back to Washington for a one-day session as Democrats declared a need to act before children return to classrooms minus teachers laid off because of budgetary crises in states that have been hard-hit by the recession.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-10 18:26:47

“It’s another sign that the momentum of the recovery has declined significantly,”

And the sign said everybody welcome, come in, kneel down and pray
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all,
I didn’t have a penny to pay, so I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little sign
I said thanks Obama for thinking about me, I’m alive and doing fine

Sign Sign everywhere a sign
Blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
Do this, don’t do that, can’t you read the sign

Florida regions saw some of worst income drops in U.S.

By Jeff Ostrowski
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:05 p.m. Monday, Aug. 9, 2010

Margaret Soucy considers herself fortunate to have a job - but not so lucky to have a position that pays 20 percent less than her previous paycheck.

Soucy, who lives in West Palm Beach and is an administrative assistant, has cut back on movies, meals at restaurants and other little luxuries she once didn’t think twice about.

“There’s no living, there’s just surviving right now,” Soucy said.

That could be the mantra for millions of Floridians. Florida metro areas suffered some of the nation’s largest declines in income in 2009, the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis said Monday.

Personal income in the Miami metropolitan statistical area, which includes Palm Beach County, fell to $229.4 billion in 2009 from $234.8 billion in 2008. The 3.1 percent decline ranked 332nd of 366 metro areas.

Per capita personal income in Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade counties fell to $41,352 in 2009, down from $43,013 in 2008 and $42,967 in 2007.

Treasure Coast personal income fell from $16.1 billion in 2008 to $15.5 billion last year, a 3.6 percent dive that ranked 346th nationally. Per capita income in the Treasure Coast fell to $38,216 in 2009, down from $39,777 in 2008 and $40,389 in 2007.

Naples had the nation’s largest decline in personal income, at 7.1 percent.

Strangely, official estimates of income in the region held steady from 2007 to 2008, even as the housing market tanked and jobless rates soared. The state’s weak economy finally took a bite out of Floridians’ incomes in 2009.

Because of Florida’s subpar job market, pay cuts here outpaced those elsewhere. Nationally, the average decline in income was 1.8 percent, but many Florida metro areas had bigger drops, including Orlando’s 2.9 percent, Sarasota’s 4.3 percent and Fort Myers’ 4.5 percent.

“It’s another sign that the momentum of the recovery has declined significantly,” said Sean Snaith, an economist at the University of Central Florida.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 22:15:04

This strategy is doomed from the starting block. Building more homes in resort areas will suck up demand from existing homes, no matter how cleverly devised the marketing strategy. More downward pressure on prices will result.

* HOMES
* AUGUST 11, 2010

The Shrinking Second Home
Real-Estate Resorts Pitch Cabins, Cottages as ‘Affordable Housing for the Affluent’

By JULIET CHUNG

Even in the up-and-down world of real estate, this pitch may sound a little funny: “Affordable housing for the affluent.”

Same Island, Less Money

It’s the strategy developers of high-end vacation homes are devising as home sales slump in major markets across the country and inventories of unsold homes rise. They are building smaller, less expensive houses in resort communities. As a result, from Turks and Caicos in the West Indies to the Colorado Rockies, some vacation communities are getting just a bit less exclusive.

The goal is to avoid lowering the sales prices on existing homes and upsetting homeowners who paid more for their homes. The communities typically cater to people seeking a second, or third, or even fourth home as well as amenities like a clubhouse, beach access, or golf courses.

“We’re trying to get the point across that you can have a great place in a wonderful island for, quite frankly, a reasonable price,” says Steve Schram, who is developing a Turks and Caicos resort community which has a new push labeled “affordable housing for the affluent.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 22:18:14

Jamaica sounds like such a lovely place to retire!

* The Wall Street Journal
* AMERICAS BUSINESS NEWS
* AUGUST 11, 2010

Jamaica’s Growing Violence Threatens Retiree Economy
By JOEL MILLMAN

COMFORT CASTLE, Jamaica—Two elderly pensioners in this mountaintop village joined hundreds of Jamaicans with a grisly fate: expatriates who spent their working lives abroad, then moved home only to be killed.

Jamaica has the highest homicide rate in the hemisphere, and retired returnees from all over the globe are feeling targeted. WSJ’s Joel Millman reports.

Neighbors say they heard 84-year-old George Passley, a retired bus conductor from the U.K., screaming last November as his home burned but couldn’t rescue him. Eight days later, Mavis White, an 80-year-old widow who also returned from Britain, died in a house fire a mile from Mr. Passley’s. Authorities are investigating both cases as arson.

“Returned Residents” like Mr. Passley and Ms. White dreamed of retiring in their homeland, only to discover it wasn’t the Jamaica of their youth. The country they left behind was poor, but relatively safe. It is still poor, but shockingly violent.

This verdant island has one of the higher homicide rates in the world with 62 murders per 100,000 residents in 2009. Rising violence is an issue throughout the Caribbean, largely fueled by narcotics trafficking, according to a 2007 joint report by the United Nations and the World Bank.

The number of returning retirees—1,170 last year—has dropped in half since the 1990s. That’s a big deal in Jamaica, which counts on retirees and their money to help pump up its troubled economy.

Some 2 million Jamaicans live abroad, nearly as many as the 2.7 million who live on the island. Their exodus began in 1946 and continues today.

The Jamaican diaspora stretches from North American cities such as Miami, New York and Toronto to big British cities like London, Manchester and Birmingham. Many of the hundreds of thousands of Jamaicans living abroad long planned to stretch their modest pensions by moving back to their much cheaper native country.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-10 22:22:44

At least the MSM recognizes the Indian bubble — the first step towards popping it!

* REAL ESTATE
* AUGUST 10, 2010, 2:03 P.M. ET

Indian Home Buyers Struggle with Bubble

By SHEFALI ANAND

India’s real-estate market has bounced back with a vengeance over the last year, and now experts worry that a price bubble could be forming in certain pockets of the country.

“I’m concerned about Delhi and Mumbai,” says Sanjay Dutt, chief executive officer for business at real-estate services firm Jones Lang LaSalle.

Prices for some large apartments under construction in central Mumbai already exceed the highs hit at the peak of the property market in 2007, he says.

In contrast, home prices in other Indian cities have risen only modestly, better reflecting the improvement in the economy. In some cities like Hyderabad, home prices have been depressed because of political unrest.

Historically, Mumbai and the National Capital Region, which includes New Delhi and neighboring cities like Gurgaon and Noida, have commanded the highest residential property prices in India. However, during the economic downturn of late 2008 and early 2009, home prices in these cities fell 25% or more.

That trend quickly reversed when the economy started gaining momentum again late last year.

Home buyers were attracted by the lower prices, while investors saw an opportunity to use their cash. Many developers then took advantage of the improved sentiment by launching new apartment projects. Some developers who previously built office space and malls as well as homes now are focusing more on residential property because there isn’t as much demand for commercial space.

All of this has led to a sharp increase in property prices, to what some experts call unaffordable levels, and an explosion of new planned buildings.

Some market observers are concerned about the large supply of apartments expected over the next three to five years. The glut, as well as inadequate infrastructure could depress prices over the next few years.

 
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