August 16, 2010

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Comment by frankie
2010-08-16 01:55:28

The estate is shabby now. I don’t know how they’ll sell anything’

CIARÁN DOYLE lives in a well-designed, highly insulated, nicely finished three-bed house which he describes as “perfect”, yet everyone in town refers to where he lives as “the building site”.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0816/1224276886748.html?via=mr

It would appear that abandoned property developments are not just an American problem. I rather suspect it is a global problem.

Comment by mikey
2010-08-16 07:24:45

Fall from the Great Pedestal…

Housing, like many other things was presented and placed on the Great Pedestal for our consumption by our PTB because it was in their interst(ususally financial) to do so. Sooner or later, our old friends, Reality and common Sense, creep in to wobble or tumble that exalted object of our obssesions from that perch.

We allow the PTB and ourselves to sell, buy or buy into belief that many objects, some that are not bad in themselves, are personally worth more than they actually are.

The house — the “DreamHome”, the McMansion, the Family Castle.

The trophy wife — the DreamGirl, the Goddess, the Modonna and Child.

The car — the DreamCar, the Lexis, the Bentley, the Fararri.

If you drove by them in a Carolla and glanced, you’d just see another over-priced shack on the side of the road, another woman with kids and or another flashy car stuck in the Dan Ryan Expressway traffic on a hot summer day…just like you

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 03:16:29

I have a dumb question about Zillow and other sites purporting to give estimates of residential real estate values.

In states like California, the sales price of houses is a matter of public record and available in electronic format. Therefore a database of recent sales prices may be used to support estimates. However in other states such as Idaho the sales price of houses is not a matter of public record. It’s completely voluntary to report the sales price of a house to the county assessor and county recorder, and few buyers do this. How then does Zillow come up with their estimates in Idaho? Are their estimates in Idaho much more inaccurate than in a state like California?

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 05:16:44

Zilliow was a stupid gimmick/byproduct of the housing bubble. The “values” only worked on the way up to help hype the grossly inflated market. Zillow was never intended to work in a declining market and quite frankly is just plain useless.

Comment by oxide
2010-08-16 05:22:53

Zillow isn’t entirely useless. The tax, sales, and plot information is very useful. The “Z’estimate,” on the other hand… :roll:

Nor do I like wading through the for-sale and make-me-move and owner’s estimate nonsense, but I figure that’s the price I pay for hard numbers and bird’s eye views.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-16 06:21:08

Certainly worth more than what you paid for it…

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Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-16 06:26:09

Actually zillow has some good information on their site besides zestimates.Sales history, property taxes,pictures,change of ownership dates to name a few.The site is free so what is there to b@tch about?Use it as a tool.I really think it is a great site to have around.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-16 08:02:50

Yes, I agree with you. Sales history and comps are why Zillow is my favorite site. I too don’t understand why people $hit all over Zillow.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 08:20:45

My question was mostly about what happens in states where there aren’t any “comps” and dollar amounts on “sales histories”. All we get for sales histories in Idaho is a date.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2010-08-16 08:42:50

One of the things that I like is looking at sales in the past, say, 6 months vs. the total number of listings currently.

You see some interesting things…like low priced markets where homes are selling quickly (implying we are close to the bottom) vs. high priced markets where homes are not selling quickly (implying that prices have farther to fall).

 
Comment by GH
2010-08-16 08:49:11

I am partial to redfin.com myself.

 
Comment by jbunniii
2010-08-16 09:03:20

Can’t you get sales history and comps from the competing sites (Redfin, Trulia, etc.) just as readily, without having to wade through the “Zestimate” BS?

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 10:09:48

Sure, Zillow can tell you when something sold and at what price, and the square feet, and which school the kids would go to, even my favorite - the monthly payment! However, this information is far from “useful” for any great purpose unless you are just a nosy neighbor with nothing better to do but track the agonizing demise of preposterous housing bubble. Alright, I guess Zillow is the bomb.

 
Comment by Weed Wacker
2010-08-16 13:07:56

guys, redfin covers only a very limited area. zillow is everywhere.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 07:03:41

Zillow is a lagging indicator of home prices, and is currently following the comps down, down, down the rabbit hole.

Comment by flightime
2010-08-16 09:20:55

When we bailed out of Idaho thanks to this website all our properties were valued at are original asking prices………..
Way higher than what I sold for

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-08-16 12:16:51

I have never seen a case where Zillow’s Zestimate is lower than fair market value.

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Comment by Weed Wacker
2010-08-16 14:25:08

Neither have I see a realtor’s estimate less than FMV. Think of zillow as a virtual realtor. It is the enemy. But it can be useful if you recognize that and treat it as hostile.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 00:14:58

“Think of zillow as a virtual realtor.”

Is that somewhat akin to a virtual liar?

 
 
 
Comment by Weed Wacker
2010-08-16 13:03:44

I have recently been house shopping and the number Zillow comes up with here (Tucson, AZ) is extremely accurate to the number that the realtor comes up with basing the price on comparable sales. So for places where comps are available I’d guess Zillow is pretty accurate. Doesn’t mean that is what the house is worth, just that it is using the same formulas that realtors are using when they price a house.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 11:27:39

if a tree fell in a forest….Do houses in Idaho actually have any value?

 
Comment by sfrenter
2010-08-16 14:50:01

Zillow is insanely inaccurate.

Acquaintance just bought a house for 300K and it shows up with a “zestimate” of 700K. WTF?!

BTW, it really is different here in San Francisco. Prices are coming down buy the bubble really has not burst at all.

Comment by albakes
2010-08-16 15:21:50

not only that, but some of the data in the sales info is wrong - I’ve just seen a local example that Zillow says ‘just sold’ for $204K, when the reality is the sales price was $580K…
The previous home-debtor is renting the house from the new ‘owner’ - they paid $850K in ‘06, and this was a short sale.
I like the pricing trend, sitting tight for another couple of years

 
 
 
Comment by salinasron
2010-08-16 04:00:59

I’m tired of seeing daily, weekly, monthly figures put out by the powers that be. One Fed governor in the last year spelled it out perfectly: ‘We tell the truth the best we can without causing a panic’. Ergo I believe nothing coming out the the spinmeisters.
What is more valid are reports from individuals from their locations in the US and abroad. A big thanks to Ben.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 05:20:40

It is a sad day when anecdotal information is far more reliable than stats provided by the government. Unfortunately we’ve been there for some time already.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 09:13:11

I doubt there has been a single day in the history of the United States (or any country, for that matter) where the government has been a reliable source of accurate information.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 10:03:29

That much is obvious, but now we are being deliberatelty lied to.

As unreliable as it might have been in the past, at least it was better that mere anecdotal information. Now it’s not even that good.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 07:05:01

‘We tell the truth the best we can without causing a panic’

“Oh what a tangled web we weave, when at first we practice to deceive.”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 07:18:02

Case in point:

* The Wall Street Journal
* AHEAD OF THE TAPE
* AUGUST 16, 2010

Yield Curve as Recession Harbinger

* By KELLY EVANS

There’s no surefire way to forecast recessions. But watching the “yield curve” comes awfully close.

Essentially the difference between long term and short term U.S. government debt yields, the yield curve is a powerful harbinger of recessions and recoveries. Nearly every time the yield on short-term debt has surpassed the yield on long-term debt—what’s known on Wall Street as an “inversion”—a recession has followed.

Meanwhile, a “steep” yield curve, when long-term rates are much higher than short-term ones, usually augurs strong economic growth. Back in February, the difference in yields on the 10-year and two-year Treasury notes hit 2.929 percentage points—a record high. That also helped fuel the V-shaped rebound in the Conference Board’s index of leading economic indicators. Little wonder investors felt good about recovery prospects at the time.

The yield curve has since flattened, but at about 2.16 percentage points it remains pretty steep by historical standards. That is a key reason why many economists still see a fairly small chance of a “double dip.”

Yet some caution that the yield curve is distorted at the moment by the Federal Reserve’s unusual degree of interference in the Treasury market. For example, by holding short-term rates near zero, the Fed has all but ruled out the possibility of an inversion. The yield curve “may not presently be an accurate signal,” San Francisco Fed researchers said in a recent paper. Excluded from calculation of the Conference Board’s index, they found, “generates far more pessimistic forecasts,” which puts the odds of recession during the next two years above 50-50.

Comment by packman
2010-08-16 07:24:02

With Fed interventions around every corner - these days you have to take every economic indicator with a big grain boulder of salt.

Enough of these boulders rolling around, and eventually we’re all going to be cowering in fear in the corner of our basements.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 07:42:01

I personally favor the tsunami analogy, as I believe the wave motion in response to the massive impulse of unprecedented monetary shocks has a similar effect on market dynamics as did the December 26, 2004 Indonesian earthquake on the surface waters of the Indian Ocean.

Too bad for all the naked swimmers out on those beaches!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 07:46:02

It wasn’t just swimmers on the beaches. I saw some amateur video from a resort in Thailand. One scene showed breakfasters on a porch, one of who was grasping a pillar, in the vain hope of hanging on. (He wasn’t able to. The sea was too strong.)

 
Comment by Julius
2010-08-16 09:13:28

These days, Fed advice needs to be taken with a whole silo of salt.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-08-16 11:38:48

“It wasn’t just swimmers on the beaches.”

Which is why I do not favor a fast return to historic norms. A quick reset would mean serious trouble for prudent folks as well as those who took risks in the runup.

We are already seeing job losses becoming more of a factor in foreclosures. I think we would be better off as a nation if we “spread the wealth” in the job market. 32 hour work weeks for everyone is better than 20% unemployment. Especially for young people entering the job market. They need the discipline that getting up for work instills. They need the experience and the resume building opportunities. Many boomers can’t afford to retire, but they can probably afford to cut back hours. Maybe we should cut back to 32 at 55, then to 24 at 65, 16 at 75 and full retirement at 85. The semi-retired could job share with youth and train them to take over. SS could be phased in as hours are cut back.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 12:08:50

I think we would be better off as a nation if we “spread the wealth” in the job market. 32 hour work weeks for everyone is better than 20% unemployment.

I agree.

If I were a city, CEO or union I would also look into cutting everyone’s pay and hours before I would fire.

United we stand, divided we fall..

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-08-16 13:16:01

If I were a city, CEO or union I would also look into cutting everyone’s pay and hours before I would fire.

I’m going to disagree with this. Everyone is better served if the dead wood is cut before any across-the-board measures happen. If the company can only afford 80% of it’s employees, and you’re not in the top/most strategic 80%, sorry, but our society is not set up for “everyone’s a winner!”. And it shouldn’t be.

Strive to work harder and be in that 80%.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-08-16 14:46:50

I’m not talking about deadwood. Deadwood should be cut for nonperformance. I am talking about people who are good workers.

We have companies and government entities that are cutting good people because the economy is down. In some cases, the company is making a decision that a project or product will not bear fruit soon enough and they are cutting entire groups, the good with the bad.

There are college graduates that are not getting entry level experience that they will need when the economy has settled. There are high school students that are missing their first minimum wage jobs because adults are desperate for any work. We will pay the price for this at some point.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-16 15:17:54

If I were a city, CEO or union I would also look into cutting everyone’s pay and hours before I would fire.

They did this first. We’re way past that. That’s how bad it is.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-16 15:21:00

Deadwood? Often, the deadwood is your boss. Guess who’s going to get cut first?

Hint: It won’t be your boss.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-08-16 17:23:04

Hint: It won’t be your boss.

It depends on how good you are at office politics and showing your value.

If your boss’s boss (or other higher-ups) know how valuable you are, they very well can get rid of your boss and keep you.

I’ve been through that once already….half the company got laid off. My boss was one of them. I was kept on board because of my strategic value.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-16 18:47:28

I was kept on board because of my strategic value.

Good for you, but don’t flatter yourself. What you got was lucky. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. There’s not. But I’ve seen far too many people who were absolutely critical to the company’s success get the axe nonetheless.

With predictable results.

As for politics, you can only go so far with that as well.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-08-16 21:17:46

Good for you, but don’t flatter yourself. What you got was lucky.

I’m not flattering myself. I’m just sharing an anecdote.

There are smart organizations out there. I’m not saying my org was smart, just that they made an explicit choice to keep the bottom-rung person vs keep the manager.

Lucky? Sure, to some degree. But don’t discount the fact that I brought skills to the table for which they were willing to pay me good money, and kept me around rather than laying me off 1 month after bringing me on board (which I agree most companies would do).

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 04:10:04

Good thing this could never happen here…

Japan’s economic growth slowed markedly in April-June and analysts predict further slowdown, adding to policymakers’ difficulties as they grapple with deflation and a rise in the yen that threatens an export-reliant recovery.

Slowing growth in Japan’s key export destinations such as the United States and China clouds the outlook, while policymakers step up efforts to talk down the yen after it surged to a 15-year high against the dollar this month of 84.72 per dollar.

Prime Minister Naoto Kan and Bank of Japan Governor Masaaki Shirakawa are likely to meet later this week to discuss the yen’s strength and possible responses, although analysts say likely options would be limited.

“I think the Bank of Japan and the government need to take decisive action against currency moves. Solo currency intervention is possible if the yen approaches 80 to the dollar. If that is accompanied by monetary easing by the Bank of Japan, it may have a certain effect,” said Takeshi Minami, chief economist at Norinchukin Research Institute in Tokyo.

Comment by packman
2010-08-16 06:51:49

If that is accompanied by monetary easing by the Bank of Japan, it may have a certain effect

So - what if we gave a currency devaluation war and everybody came?

MADD

Mutually Assured Dollar Destruction

 
Comment by Yensoy
2010-08-16 07:47:46

Wait a minute. Their economy is in the toilet and they’re worried their currency will get stronger? I thought that only happened in the US.

Comment by packman
2010-08-16 08:39:19

Even though their economy is going in the toilet - everyone else’s is too. The problem is that they haven’t been devaluing as fast as everybody else has. They’ve got to keep up with the Joneses.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 04:14:19

They’re known as ‘the 99ers,’ and their numbers are growing in Ohio and nationwide.

CLEVELAND, Ohio — About 15,000 Ohioans didn’t get a penny when Congress extended unemployment benefits.

They are people like Ramona Walker of Cleveland and Bill and Norma Zapotechne of Oberlin — people who have been jobless so long they’ve already used up all 99 weeks of their unemployment checks.

They’re known as “the 99ers.” After two years or more without jobs, they say they’re losing a critical safety net at a time when finding work is still agonizingly difficult.

The result: a growing legion of people — many of them older, many once middle class — who are exhausting their benefits. It’s a wave that threatens to besiege social services and leave the government grasping for answers.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 05:18:52

Clinging to a middle class lifestyle will increasingly require advanced skill sets, and not the kind that fly by night trade schools tout in their commercials.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-16 18:52:53

Like what, “Liar, Thief and Crook” er, I mean Banksta? Because nothing is paying worth a crap unless you get lucky, connected or you’re the superstar. And even then, you can still win the poverty lottery before you die. Everybody else gets squat.

And most of America will never have more than an HSD and some trade skills.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 05:25:30

Time for McDonalds you 99ers.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 10:06:02

¿Hablas español?

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 12:21:49

Usted quiere las fritadas con eso?

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 13:35:51

En Mexico se llaman papas fritas a la francesa, o simplemente papas fritas.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 17:39:36

Serves me right for using Babelfish….. ;)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Lip
2010-08-16 06:19:11

I had a talk with a business owner who explained this. He said that the best employees don’t get laid off “usually” but if they do, they get hired right away by another. Then the new company lays off their dead weight.

So the people that get laid off need to work at being better employees, like no kidding!

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-08-16 06:44:55

“Best” defined as employees who are willing to work lots of unpaid overtime…

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 06:54:47

Bingo. At my last job I was told I was a “slacker” because I “only” worked 50-55 hours a week. The “stars” were putting in 70-80 hours a week.

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Comment by ACH
2010-08-16 07:21:10

50 - 55 hours per week? 70 - 80 hours per week?
1) What type of job is this?
2) How is anyone effective after 45 - 50 hours per week unless there is a “stress reducer” like determining your own schedule or ability to select projects?

Just askin’

Roidy

P.S. I have never minded staying 10 to 20 minutes late to finish something up. I quit my last job because I was expected to work OT (8 hours per week) and not get paid for it. Isn’t that Capitalism? You get paid for your work?

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 07:37:12

Colorado must be a lawyer. Law firm jobs are like that. Ask my how I know.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-08-16 08:32:02

“How is anyone effective after 45 - 50 hours per week unless there is a “stress reducer” like determining your own schedule or ability to select projects”

“Stress, stress, you’re paid to handle stress, now HANDLE it!!”

Sheesh…there’s plenty of that attitude and mentality out there in the business world today.

Got Stresssssss !?!

:(

 
Comment by ACH
2010-08-16 09:02:19

Hey mikey!

““Stress, stress, you’re paid to handle stress, now HANDLE it!!”

Sheesh…there’s plenty of that attitude and mentality out there in the business world today.”

LOL. Good point. I did handle it. I quit.

Roidy

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 09:07:10

“Colorado must be a lawyer. Law firm jobs are like that. Ask my how I know.”

Nope, software engineer. The old employer (which just fired their CEO) put a lot of pressure to put in crazy hours. People would put in 10 at the office, go home everynight with the laptop slung over their shoulder, spend some time the family and then get back online and work until midnight. Sometimes I would email coworkers at 11 PM and it was typical to get at reply almost instantly.

I refused to take work home with me, which ended up costing me my job. No matter, as the new job is not like that at all.

 
Comment by technovelist
2010-08-17 06:41:50

I assume you’re still working as a software engineer? If so, could I ask where? I left my previous company due to (not-so-subtle) pressure to work unpaid overtime.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 07:07:49

lots of unpaid overtime…

What is this ‘overtime’ you speak of? Surely not the liberal/socialist idea that there should be a limit on how many hours an employee must work per week. I thought you were a deregulatin’ free market cowboy.

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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-08-16 08:05:54

Alpha,

Ok, for those of you who need this spelled out each time, I will explain.

In a free market, people decide how much they feel like working and charge as much as they can for their time. Since just about everyone has something to contribute, there is no need for anyone to go hungry or be uncomfortable financially, and the highly motivated can go for as much extra as they want.

The fact that corporations are able to force workers into unreasonable situations like working unpaid overtime, shows that the corp’s have achieved an “oligopsony” in the labor market as a result of government favors. Starting with limited liability, and working through the thousands of pages of special breaks and regulations designed to limit competition, the government has basically given the corp’s a lock on the labor market (as well as the markets for their products).

So the solution is not laws limiting work hours– that’s stepping on the proverbial brake and accelerator at the same time– but to revoke corporate charters and repeal the enabling laws which caused the problems in the first place.

Do you understand now?

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-08-16 08:29:45

“revoke corporate charters and repeal the enabling laws which caused the problems in the first place.”

+ a zillion.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-08-16 08:46:30

“Do you understand now?”

Yup, thar’s a suddenly a great disparity between what my McMansion, trophy wife and my Lexis
is really worth and the true value of MY human capital.

OMG– HELP!!

:)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-16 08:57:42

“…revoke corporate charters and repeal the enabling laws”

Oh, please can I pick the first one…I have a jar right here…it has over 300 pieces of scrap paper with bad puddy-cat CORPORATION names written on them…(Hwy reaches in the jar, randomly picks x1 scrap paper)

I’m absolutely stunned! :-) It’s says: MONSANTO

I really thought it would be THE FEDERAL RESERVE CORP….or…XE…or…HALLIBURTON…or…Phillip Morris…no, it definitely says: MONSANTO

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2010-08-16 09:13:57

agree

The other part of it is that strong employees need to realize just how valuable they are. If someone is a strong producer, but is not being differentially compensated. In my wife’s former job, it used to chap her considerably that she put in way more hours than the next person (while keeping clients very happy), but got paid the same–because the company politics didn’t allow differential pay (concept of structured salary, and max bonuses).

So she left the job to go to a different company doing the same work. She now gets paid differently from other people, rewarding her for her extra work.

Part of the issue is not giving companies the breaks that you refer to above. The other part of the issue is for good employees to be more aggressive in terms of bettering their own situation when possible.

Employers do not want to lose good employees. Despite what the papers are printing (high unemployment, etc.), replacing a good employee is not something that companies want to do…even today. There is cost of turnover–both in terms of time/training involved, but also the risk that the next person in your position won’t be as good. This last part is an unquantifiable risk that most employers will avoid if possible.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 09:27:51

Employers do not want to lose good employees.

You’d be surprised how many quality people have been let go from HP. THOUSANDS. Of course they replaced them with people in Bangalore. Almost as good and a lot cheaper.

And two years ago they cut EVERYBODY’S salary 5%, even though profits were running at a solid 2 billion per quarter. They even did that in India, and a lot of people over there quit (they were easily replaced).

 
Comment by Sean
2010-08-16 10:50:14

This is why I enjoy being in a union. We work and get paid for every minute we work. Its a shame people are put on a salary then expected to crank out 12 hours in a day - and they wonder why people have so many family problems.

I know, I know - “Unions are evil and are destroying the country”, but what a novel concept: Get paid for what you work.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 11:01:07

In a free market, people decide how much they feel like working and charge as much as they can for their time. Since just about everyone has something to contribute, there is no need for anyone to go hungry or be uncomfortable financially, and the highly motivated can go for as much extra as they want.

LOL- Do we all get to ride candy-crapping unicorns, too?

When you say revoking corporate charters would force them to treat everyone well, you’re saying that people would enforce their rights through lawsuits, right? Will a burger-flipper’s lawyer be as good as McDonald’s lawyers?

Would people start businesses if they couldn’t shield their own wealth from possible lawsuits?

 
Comment by John
2010-08-16 12:03:09

Seems like that would be one of the risks of starting a business, alpha-sloth. Our nation survived without LLCs until the 1970s…and people still started new ventures. Business also succeeded for 50 years without corporate personhood. It just happens that there were risks, which may be a good thing, as it would make people do some due-diligence before they start their new house-building company, or cupcake bakery.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2010-08-16 12:19:36

Colorado,

At the same time HP is indiscriminately slashing positions regardless of the quality of the employee, Google and others like them are aggressively looking for the best and brightest, and spending the money to hire them.

The “slash expenses” methodology to increasing the bottom line will only work for so long. Eventually companies will be required to improve the top line–and you better have great engineers/thinkers/business/sales people in order to do so in an increasingly competitive global landscape. You can’t outsource it all…

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 14:25:15

John- It’s one thing for everything you’ve invested in a business to be at risk, it’s another thing to have everything you own be at risk. Simply put, wealthy people would almost never start new businesses- the risks would be too great.

Back in the ‘good ole days’ rich people could start businesses without incorporating and without fear, because the idea of some pissant little worker suing you for everything you’re worth because he got his leg ripped off working in your unsafe mill was laughable. As we’ve developed a more egalitarian legal system, which occasionally allows the little guy to win, I suspect we’d see much less entrepreneurship in those who already had wealth. Simply too risky. (And I say this as someone who thinks corporations currently have way too much power and influence over our government.)

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-08-16 17:33:28

This is nothing but a garbled defense of the status quo. You think it’s nice that we have a “more egalitarian legal system, which occasionally allows the little guy to win”, but you don’t want the little guy to be able to recover the full value of his injuries, because of corporate limited liability?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-16 19:02:44

You’re dreaming Rental Watch. Most businesses are not run rationality, but by blind ego and ambition.

Secondly, most people cannot just up and leave their job.

And third, corporations only exist to enrich the BOD. The shareholders became the “bagholders” decades ago. The employees aren’t even on the radar except as cost center.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-08-16 21:22:03

Secondly, most people cannot just up and leave their job.

And that’s arguably their fault. Some of us make conscious decision in life to ensure we can leave any job for any reason. I consider that “f*ck you money.” I’ve introduced this concept to numerous friends and (now ex-) girlfriends. For some reason they didn’t come up with the idea on their own, but once they heard of the concept of having 6-12 months salary saved up so they can walk away from a bad situation, all started saving instantly.

I don’t drive a fancy car, or go on fancy vacations. I live in a smaller house than most that make 6 figures. I drink $6 bottles of wine most of the time (Chateau Ste. Michelle Harvest Select Riesling is great in the summer!). That’s the trade I make for being able to up and leave any job anytime, and to have peace of mind….

I’m not going to feel sorry because others didn’t make the same decision in their past.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 00:18:19

“I drink $6 bottles of wine most of the time …”

I’m with you, bro’. We are the enemy in the Fed’s War on Savers. Good luck to us both.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-16 18:53:52

We have a winner.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 04:25:41

July home sales reverse trend, skid by 37 percent
August 16, 2010 ~ Charleston,S.C.

The local housing market is still awash with too much inventory.

The momentum that had been lifting local home sales in recent months came to a jarring halt in July, raising questions about the long-awaited recovery of the residential real estate market.

Newly released data from the Charleston Trident Association of Realtors showed 643 area homes sold during July, a striking drop-off from the 1,022 transactions recorded in June. The decline followed the expiration of federal tax credits for homebuyers.

Local agents say they were expecting a drop but they’re struggling to grasp how long the dip will last and how quickly the momentum generated by the temporary tax subsidies will return.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 05:21:44

Good thing Charleston never had a housing bubble and properties there are fairly valued.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 07:19:41

the momentum generated by the temporary tax subsidies

Did the powers that be really expect there to be any “momentum”?

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2010-08-16 09:16:13

Cash for clunkers=federal tax credit for homebuyes

Just moved purchases forward, did not spur people to buy who weren’t planning on buying within the next year anyway.

Watch sales recover to previous levels within 6 months.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 10:13:59

only if massive string-pushing continues by the Fed. When is a fake market not fake?

Comment by Rental Watch
2010-08-16 12:22:47

When it’s based on real population growth and the desire and ability to buy a house.

Desire just ain’t there today. Ability is absent for the unemployed.

I don’t think the desire, or ability was effected by the tax credit. Those desiring and able, simply pushed their buying decision sooner with the credit.

All else equal, the numbers will improve. If rates spike, or the employment picture gets a lot worse, all bets are off.

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Comment by Weed Wacker
2010-08-16 14:22:39

You are wrong. The ability was strongly affected by the tax credit. My nephew, eg., saw it as his only opportunity to buy a house since how else is he ever going to come up with a downpayment? I strongly discouraged him from buying at the time. (note this was at the time of expiry of the first credit when noone knew that there would be another one.) The houses he was looking at in his price range were quickly being snapped up (it seemed) by others with the same need for urgency, so he move quickly. I tried to convince him that there would be more govt intervention coming and that housing costs were going down, but with a brand new bride and dog he didn’t listen. Now he is deeply underwater.

I suspect that the frenzied buying at the time of these credits expiring is because people see it as their only chance to buy. With a realtor slyly whispering “buy now or be priced out forever” first time buyers without further means got sucked in.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2010-08-16 14:38:14

I guess time will tell whether your nephew was the rule, or the exception. I suspect the exception, which is supported by the new home sales going from an annual pace of 267k to about 340k from May to June. February was about 345k. I just don’t see $8k coming later (I don’t think the US writes checks to people at closing) as being a big reason to buy.

You obviously see it as the rule.

 
 
 
Comment by Weed Wacker
2010-08-16 14:08:19

I think it did a lot more than just move sales forward that is being overlooked. I know for a fact that many were using the 8k as (part of) the downpayment. Without the tax credit many cannot make the downpayment anymore and simply cannot buy a house even though they still want to.

Comment by Chris M
2010-08-16 16:58:38

The kind of people who cannot save up a down payment will probably lose the house anyway.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 04:30:28

Recession-Worn Seniors Tap Social Security Early
Program Created During Great Depression Provides Cushion as More Elderly Americans Forced into Retirement

(CBS) Saturday marked the 75th anniversary of Social Security, and many questions remain unanswered about its future.

As for its present, the program created during the Great Depression has quickly become a last resort for older Americans before they ever thought they’d need it, CBS News Correspondent Rebecca Jarvis reports.

After working 40 years in the chemical industry, Michael Tait of Locust Grove, Va., could not wait until he turned 66, the full retirement age to collect Social Security. He can’t find a job.

“Lowe’s and Home Depot and the grocery stores and the gas station,” he said, listing the places where he’s tried to get work. “Nothing.”

With his unemployment checks running out, Tait decided to apply for his Social Security retirement benefits two years early, at 64, despite the catch that when you collect early, your benefit is cut up to 25 percent permanently. For Tait, that’s a loss of $252 every month.

Still …

“Something coming in right now,” said Tait. “I got to take care of my family, and that’s the most important thing.”

In New York, semi-retired medical lab technician Bobby Lee said he will apply for Social Security as soon as he’s allowed to, when he turns 62 next year.

“You’ll get less, but nobody guarantees how long you’re going to live,” Lee said.

Lee and Tait are part of a growing trend.

Comment by combotechie
2010-08-16 05:34:11

“‘You’ll get less, but nobody guarantees how long you’re going to live’, Lee said.”

From what I’ve seen it isn’t very long. Early retirement means early death for many folks.

A job supplys purpose to life, and structure, and community; Take away these things and you take away the reason of getting out of bed every morning. Soon (as in weeks) depression sets in, followed by despair and death. I’ve seen this with my own eyes.

This isn’t true for all retirees, of course, but it’s true for enough of them.

Comment by In Montana
2010-08-16 06:09:00

I think what’s happening is people collect but keep working too.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 06:57:46

Right, many are using it to complement the 3 part time, minimum wage jobs they have.

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Comment by In Montana
2010-08-16 09:14:48

More than that. Had a county worker tell me her accountant recommended filing at 62, because “who knows whether it’ll be there or not.” So I guess the idea is you get 2-3 years before it collapses??

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 09:42:12

I don’t know why people believe “it will collapse”. It’s not like they’re going to stop collecting the payroll tax.

What will happen is that benefits will be discounted, and in that case it might make sense to collect sooner rather than later.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-16 19:07:07

Exactly. I’ve seen SS discounted several times now over my working life along with raising the age you can collect, not to mention freezing the COLAs.

 
 
 
Comment by Rancher
2010-08-16 06:46:02

I retired 15 years ago and found, much to my
surprise, that I was working harder than ever.
Not that I had to, but because with a firm safety
net it allowed me to go into different endeavors
that otherwise I wouldn’t have tried. Fortunately
it has paid off well and we’ve managed to almost
double our retirement.

Comment by combotechie
2010-08-16 06:50:50

“Work is a blessing.”

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 06:59:44

Something meaningful and intellectually stimulating is a blessing. Unfortunately most menial jobs are neither.

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-08-16 07:33:04

The only menial job I do is wash and dry the
dishes after dinner. My wife does nothing after she’s seated at the table.

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-08-16 08:30:52

I’ll bet you have a happy marriage! Good on ya, cobber!

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-08-16 08:58:46

The best, friend! She runs our home and I make all the important decisions, like should
we bomb Iran’s nuc facility……

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 00:20:35

“Work is a blessing.”

Arbeit macht frei!

 
 
Comment by rms
2010-08-16 07:13:11

“Not that I had to, but because with a firm safety
net it allowed me to go into different endeavors
that otherwise I wouldn’t have tried.”

This would be the greatest benefit of a single payer social health care system; entrepreneurs would be free to venture beyond the corporate cubicle without risking their family’s basic needs.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 07:20:54

And you get that when you turn 65.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 07:48:02

This would be the greatest benefit of a single payer social health care system; entrepreneurs would be free to venture beyond the corporate cubicle without risking their family’s basic needs.

And, when we finally reach this point, “Take this job and shove it!” will be our new national anthem.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 10:15:56

That’s alot of coffee.

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Comment by salinasron
2010-08-16 07:01:49

‘From what I’ve seen it isn’t very long. Early retirement means early death for many folks.’

Retired 13 years ago @ 57 and in better physical shape now then before. BP down in low normal range too. Don’t ever want to push a time clock again, nor have some stupid person over head making decisions that I have to correct.

Comment by Rancher
2010-08-16 07:36:49

Same here, very low BP and I can lower my
heart rate to under 50 when resting. Maybe
not the best shape in my life, but certainly the
healthiest. Having a 5,000 sq.ft. garden
helps.

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Comment by hip in zilker
2010-08-16 20:48:44

5,000 sq.ft. garden helps

Awesome. Hope you’re having a good growing season this year.

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-16 07:04:50

It’s 5+ years now. My wife and I are still enjoying life as retirees. From what I’ve seen, the depression sets in when the health and mobility (yours or your spouse’s) decline to the point where you’d no longer be able to work anyway, or you’ve become a full-time care giver.

Among our neighbors in good health, we don’t know a single one who’s chronically depressed and withdrawn. That includes the 87 year old guy who lost his wife of over 50 years last autumn.

When you get to this stage of life, it’s carpe diem.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 07:49:58

My mother’s retirement from public school teaching was almost 17 years ago. I seem to recall that her chronic depression started shortly thereafter.

Sorry to say, but retirement was not a good thing for her to do. Sad part is, she’s blessed with many skills and talents, but she seems to have no idea as to how to deploy them outside of a teaching job.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-16 08:07:08

I think I would get depression if I retire. Work is my only social interaction. I am used to working with people who go through rigorous ackground checks (as well as myself) and I don’t trust any others than my colleagues. So if I leave that environment the only people I’d interact with are people I could not trust! That would be depressing.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-16 08:08:44

“ackground” = “background”

 
Comment by mikey
2010-08-16 09:00:02

“I think I would get depression if I retire. Work is my only social interaction. I am used to working with people who go through rigorous ackground checks (as well as myself) and I don’t trust any others than my colleagues. So if I leave that environment the only people I’d interact with are people I could not trust! That would be depressing”

Bill, I read some article that placed the number of TOP SECRET security clearances currently working for the gov’t at over 375,000.

You should never be lonely.

:)

 
Comment by mikey
2010-08-16 09:03:28

Trust me Bill, even I had one.

;)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-16 09:44:42

working with people who go through rigorous background checks

Ya think this guy had a background check?: Army psychiatrist / Fort Hood TX

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-08-16 09:49:20

Well, what’s depressing is you thinking you can only socialize with people who have gone through a background check.

If it helps, most corporations do that these days………..LOL

 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2010-08-16 09:20:46

It’s funny, I see both sides.

My parents retired, and are having a grand time, doing all the traveling that they were never able to do, spending time with friends/grandkids, etc. It also helped that they downsized at the perfect time (2004, if I recall correctly), have no debt, saved throughout their careers, and can afford to enjoy themselves.

On the other hand, my in-laws are both retirement age, but one works as a consultant (making amazing money, by the way), because he wants to make sure my mom-in-law is set for retirement, and my mom-in-law tried to retire, but went back to work (mainly because I don’t think she knows how to not work). No depression, but I don’t think retirement suits either of them–I’d call them both semi-retired. Not 40+ hours per week, but they work as much as they want.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-08-16 06:01:20

I’d be interested in what knowing exactly what Michael Tait did in the “chemical industry.” There is no chemistry left in the US. It’s a “mature industry,” which is a fancy way of saying that all the thinky-work is done and all that’s left is to ship the optimized process (along with its pollution) overseas.

That said, he worked for 40 YEARS and couldn’t save up enough to survive the two years until he qualified for SS? He should have a pension (they still had them 40 years ago) or at least a 401K he could have tapped at age 59.5. If all else fails, he should have a house paid off by now, that he could sell for cash. Is he seriously living paycheck-to paycheck? He must have rogue children, or a medical problem, OR he’s quite the spendthrift…

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 07:04:54

Or maybe he was periodically furloughed
Or maybe he wasn’t all that well paid
Or maybe he had to change employers and was never vested in his pension, or maybe there never was one.
Or maybe he got divorced and his ex took him to the cleaners.

I love how we always assume that these people are losers and deadbeats.

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 07:33:48

Contrary to what is often spoken around here, “boomers” generally don’t have defined-benefit pensions. It was the so-called “greatest generation” that got those, along with the lifetime employment that made them possible.

Surveys show that the average person works some number (8 IIRC) of jobs over a lifetime, making getting a defined-benefit pension pretty much impossible. Even simple vesting took 10 years prior to 1986, after which it became 5 years.

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Comment by Sean
2010-08-16 11:04:28

I love how we always assume that these people are losers and deadbeats.

__________________________________________

No, not a loser or deadbeat - but a poor planner and bad investor? Probably. After 40 years in the workforce you should have your house paid off (Or have a small mortgage compared to your salary) and have plans to wrap up your career.

But once again, its about HIM!!!! HE is hurting!!! Forget about the younger generations who are saddled with a huge college loan. What about the chemical engineer who just graduated from Va Tech looking to replace this man because he should have been retired? The boomers are destroying the flow of the school/work/retire cycle and everyone else is paying for it. Why should anything be owed to them? Why should I feel one ounce of pity for a man who has worked for 40 years and can’t retire?

Didnt make enough money? Your fault.
Bad investment? Your fault.
Pissed it away on stuff you dont need? Your fault.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 12:13:05

Why should I feel one ounce of pity for a man who has worked for 40 years and can’t retire?

Because of the implications of the last half of that sentence?

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-08-16 15:29:48

Who said anything about pity? He is making the best of his situation - and still has a family to support. The reporter found a couple of people to illustrate a growing trend. I didn’t see any spin about pity. He is making a choice to collect lower benefits for life so he can continue to support his family. He would prefer to keep working and has made a concerted effort to do so.

Are you unwilling to learn from other people’s situations?
Do you not want to see reports about trends? Certainly, college loans are a problem and need to be addressed, but this article is not about that.

The boomers are and have always been a demographic problem. We are not evil or more selfish than any other generation. There are simply more of us. If we had reproduced at the same rate and at about the same age as our parents, there would be many more in younger generations to compete against you and it would be your age-mates that would be in your way.

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 07:25:49

I got to take care of my family

He used the term “family” not “my wife and I”. Is he still supporting minor children at the age of 64?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 09:44:19

He might be supporting his grand children. That happens a LOT these days.

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Comment by rms
2010-08-16 12:15:45

“Is he still supporting minor children at the age of 64?”

Anthony Quinn?

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Comment by Yensoy
2010-08-16 08:01:50

If I worked in the Chinese government I would build a retirement town for Americans. Grant them lifelong visas to stay (not work outside the retirement town). Their SS and Medicare will go a long way. No need to drive, retirement town will be walking friendly, lots of cheap taxis etc. Cheap domestic help, totally safe, give them CNN and HBO when they tire of pirated DVDs. They can live like kings/queens.
Let’s say 1million folks took this up, $1000/month on avg that’s like 12billion $/ year added to the balance of payments. Their families will visit (bringing in more $$$).

Even better I would do this after the housing bubble bursts (in China) so I have the town for pennies on the dollar.

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 08:25:13

Spain used to be like this. It was a retirement destination of choice for people with small government pensions, e.g. retired military.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 04:32:54

“In order to become the master the politician poses as a servant.”

~Charles De Gaulle

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 11:05:36

“Nuts.”

- General Anthony Clement McAuliffe

Comment by lavi d
2010-08-16 12:35:58

“Gentlemen! You can’t fight in here! This is the war room!”

- President Merkin Muffley, ‘Dr. Strangelove’

 
 
Comment by rms
2010-08-16 12:21:07

“This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.” -Plato

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 14:30:03

you betcha!

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-16 19:12:41

You can count on Americans to do the right things… after they’ve tried everything else.

- Winston Churchill.

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-16 04:45:28

The pitfalls of condoze:

Over the weekend I learned that a new building down the block built during the height of the boom imposed a one million dollar emergency special assessment due to problems with its foundation apparently caused by seepage. I don’t think the building ever entirely sold out, so now the 30~40 unit owners have ten days to come up with their share of just over one million dollars. If they can’t come up with the dough the association will secure a loan for them and tack it on to their regular assessment. While they probably will go after the developer - keep in mind that condo developers in my city shed their names/corporate identities like a snake sheds its skin - if they’re even still in business.

Given the wider situation here at the moment, vomiting would have been the proper and acceptable response on the part of the owners.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-08-16 06:19:57

I am sure investors are already lining up to sink a million $$ into this disaster. It is safe and sound, and the foundation is solid.
/sarcasm off

 
Comment by Yensoy
2010-08-16 08:04:44

Seattle right? Whereabouts?

Comment by pmseatac
2010-08-16 16:20:36

If it’s Seattle I haven’t heard of it ( I’m in Seattle ). We did have an almost brand new high rise apartment building downtown condemned due to defective construction. This was in spring.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-08-16 20:52:28

yensoy,

edgewaterjohn I think is in Chicago area.

 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 10:23:41

Time to default and let the bank pay the assessment.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 04:46:22

Wow. Someone in the MSM actually grasps the difference between monetarism and Keynesian theory.

How the US economy is being ‘Japanised’

Federal Reserve policy is taking a worrying turn towards monetarism. This can only result in an American ‘lost decade’
o Chris Payne
The Guardian

n 1963, Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz wrote a seminal piece on the Great Depression (A Monetary History of the United States, 1867-1960), parts of which have become accepted wisdom in monetary policy and theory ever since. Friedman and Schwartz’s argument is that what turned a recession into a depression in the 1930s (where output dropped by 30% and unemployment rose to 25%) was a collapse of the money supply, as banks were forced to call in their inter-bank loans, creating a domino effect of collapsed banks and lost savings.

Tuesday’s policy announcement by the Federal Reserve can be understood as yet another nod to Friedman and Schwartz: “whatever happens, let’s keep the money supply from falling.” It is also, as I shall explain, yet more evidence that the US is going the way of Japan, meaning that it is entering into a protracted era of low economic growth.
(snip)
So as long as there are US treasury bonds for the Fed to buy, then there are mechanisms for stopping the money supply from falling, even while consumers rush to pay back their debts and cancel out their credit positions in the banking system.

This is all well and good: but let us be clear about one thing, this is not a real “stimulus”. It would only be a stimulus if, by doing this, the Fed was creating funds that were being invested in productive assets. Instead, these measures represent ongoing desperate attempts to keep the money supply from collapsing, in the hope that, at some point in the future, businesses (and consumers) will start to borrow and spend again. In times like these, when uncertainty is rife, when people are saving, not borrowing, low interest rates are, as Keynes said, nothing more that pushing on a string.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-08-16 05:42:37

“In times like these, when uncertainty is rife, when people are saving, not borrowing, low interest rates are, as Keynes said, nothing more that pushing on a string.”

A guest on CNBC this morning made the point that low interest rates are encouraging saving, not borrowing and spending. When fixed income investments don’t earn enough yield (to live on, to pay for college, etc.), folks cut back on spending and save everything they can in an attempt to make up the difference.

He also suggested allowing people who have been 100% timely on their mortgage payments for at least two years be allowed to refinance their current balance into current low fixed rate mortgages, regardless if they’re underwater and without having to show any documentation of income.

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 07:54:05

As I mentioned yesterday, keeping interest rates low while drastically tightening up qualifying for mortgages doesn’t help anybody. People who want to buy houses aren’t helped by the low interest rates if they can’t qualify for a loan: people dependent on income from fixed-rate investments can’t spend anything on discretionary purchases and are drawing down their principle even just keep afloat.

Comment by jbunniii
2010-08-16 14:34:05

People who want to buy houses aren’t helped by the low interest rates if they can’t qualify for a loan

High interest rates would help us more, by bringing down prices.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 06:10:50

As I’ve said before, monetarism is the ‘trickle-down’ form of Keynesian theory. Instead of directly stimulating the economy, money is instead provided to the banking industry, with the expectation that they will loan it out to new or expanding businesses.

The problem with monetarism is not just the ‘pushing on a string’ phenomenon, but also the moral hazard involved when the big boyz know that if/when they crash the economy, they will be bailed out by Uncle Sam (us) flooding them with cash. Being flooded with cash in the event of trouble is hardly a discouragement from making risky but highly profitable investments- quite the opposite.

Monetarism is Keyenesianism for the big boyz. They cut out that pesky part where the middle class gets stimulus, and kept it all for themselves.

Comment by packman
2010-08-16 07:03:50

Yep.

With pure Keynesianism at least the deficit spending is funded by actual money; what we have now is fueled by thin air.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-08-16 07:00:20

They’re different things - but we’re combining them - especially with last weeks announcement. We’re now using monetarism to fund Keynesian deficits, to the tune of up to $1.7 Trillion (beyond the current level of $776B).

Worst of both worlds. This will not end well.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 05:31:12

The chicoms will blow our doors off next…

China overtakes Japan in 2Q as world’s No. 2 economy amid slowdown in recovery.

TOKYO (AP) — Japan lost its place as the world’s No. 2 economy to China in the second quarter as receding global growth sapped momentum and stunted a shaky recovery.

Gross domestic product grew at an annualized rate of just 0.4 percent, the government said Monday, far below the annualized 4.4 percent expansion in the first quarter and adding to evidence the global recovery is facing strong headwinds.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 07:12:47

Now that the much-heralded arrival of the China Century is finally here, I wonder how long it is destined to last, given that the similarly-ballyhooed Japanese Century was over in under one decade.

China Output Tops Japan

China is expected to surpass Japan this year as the world’s second-largest economy as quarterly GDP figures from Japan reported Monday morning show its economic output fell short of China’s.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 07:52:39

Given how we’ve ranted and raved about the poor quality of Chinese manufactured goods, I think that the China Century will last but a decade or two.

And say what you want about American manufacturing, but we do get the concept of quality control.

Comment by Yensoy
2010-08-16 08:10:20

Really? Seen any newly built homes? :)

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Comment by palmetto
2010-08-16 08:34:45

She said American manufacturing. Newly built homes don’t fall into that category.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2010-08-16 09:25:55

I’d rather buy a US built home than a Chinese built home (Chinese drywall anyone?).

Low building standards were one reason why their earthquake was so devastating a few years back. Despite the poor quality of homes relative to a decade back, US homes are still a lot better built than many other countries.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-16 19:19:44

And say what you want about American manufacturing, but we do get the concept of quality control.

No we don’t.

Only one man ever did and he was rejected by the top corporations, so he went to Japan were they embraced him. His name was Edwards Deming and he taught what he knew to… Toyota. Then Sony. Then Honda. Mitsubishi. Panansonic. Etc. Until the the Japanese became equated with world class quality like the Germans and the Swiss.

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Comment by GH
2010-08-16 12:08:51

Couple of things come to mind.

First Chinas economy is pretty much 80% dedicated to serving the US market, so as the US falters, so will the Chinese. (This applies to Japan as well to a large degree)

Second, products are manufactured in China because of cheap labor. There are other countries which can be exploited at even cheaper rates, and worse for China, we are entering the robotic era of manufacturing.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 14:41:20

The $64,000 question: Has China (and the rest of the BRICs) developed enough of a domestic economy that they can ‘take it from here’, ie supply their own demand? And is China ready to allow that much of a domestic consumer economy? (Those middle classes can get demanding about property rights, consistent rule of law, etc.)

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 14:51:44

The $64,000 question: Has China (and the rest of the BRICs) developed enough of a domestic economy that they can ‘take it from here’, ie supply their own demand?

Before I’d say no way. Now I’m not sure. Bill Bonner says yes.

But sales to China? Sales to Brazil? That’s where the money is.

http://dailyreckoning.com/emerging-markets-shed-the-skin-of-us-consumers/

And here’s something interesting – these growth economies are now largely ‘de-coupled’ from the US. They don’t need us anymore. We’ve done our part. Thanks to clever management by the feds, Americans went deeply in debt so that these emerging market economies could grow. They put up factories. We bought their output. They logged a sale. We added a debt.

And now they don’t need us. Because they can sell to their own emerging middle classes. China can sell gizmos to Brazil’s new consumers. Russia can sell energy to China’s thriving cities. Brazil can sell soybeans to Indonesia’s new factory workers.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Eddie
2010-08-16 08:34:19

Calling them ChiComs today is a little misleading. China is a much more capitalistic country than the USA. It is little wonder that they are prospering economically. Amazing isn’t it, you lower taxes, deregulate and encourage investment and VOILA….economy expands.

You overtax, over regulate and punish investment and SHOCKER the economy contracts.

Why is it so hard for Democrats/liberals to understand?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 09:38:36

“It is little wonder that they are prospering economically. ”

And it has nothing to do with low wages, overworking employees to the point where they commit suicide and the fact that they are destroying their environment with all sorts of nasty pollutants.

If that’s the definition of “capitalism” then as the late John Lennon sang in “Revolution”: “You can count me out”.

Comment by Eddie
2010-08-16 11:06:50

You moan about the loss of manufacturing jobs. Then the next breath you complain about pollution caused by manufacturing. So typical.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 13:40:06

Manufacturing can be done in a clean fashion…it just costs more.

So if you don’t have any environmental laws in place its easy to be “competetive”.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 14:49:11

Do you really think China is capitalist, eddie? What is your definition of capitalism, and how does China fit it?

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 10:38:20

You overtax, over regulate and punish investment and SHOCKER the economy contracts.

No Eddie. It’s a nice soundbite but untrue.

It wasn’t high taxes or over regulation or “punished” investment that sent our jobs to China. Germany, Brazil, and the European Union all have higher taxes and more regulations than the USA and they didn’t send most of their jobs to China. Our jobs were sent to China so just a few could have so much more.

1. Taxes:

GOP, Dems can agree: taxes are historically low
Richmond Daily Journal 8/12/2020

http://www.yourdailyjournal.com/view/full_story_home/9114341/article-GOP–Dems-can-agree–taxes-are-historically-low?instance=homesecondary_opinion_left_column


Tax bills in 2009 at lowest level since 1950
5/12/2010 USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2010-05-10-taxes_N.htm

2. Over regulated?

Clinton, Republicans agree to deregulation of US financial system

http://piggington.com/clinton_republicans_agree_to_deregulation_of_us_financial_system

How Deregulation Eviscerated the Banking Sector Safety Net and Spawned the U.S. Financial Crisis
http://moneymorning.com/2009/01/13/deregulation-financial-crisis/

Cheney’s Culture of Deregulation and Corruption
How Bush Administration Inaction Created the BP Disaster

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/06/cheney_deregulation.html

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 12:06:30

You can take your ‘culture’ of research,facts, and rational analysis right back to Brasil, ya commie! :wink:

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 13:45:44

“Our jobs were sent to China so just a few could have so much more.”

I always laugh when offshoring apologists claim that if not for offshoring that socks would cost $10 a pair, and other such nonsense.

We all know that the price of consumer goods will always be what the market will bear. The actual cost of producing the good is irrelevant. Its just as true for houses as it is for socks.

Of course, now that no one has any money to spend we’re seeing some price drops, but as combo would point out its a lack of demand thing.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 11:15:03

Eddie, if you weren’t such an a-hole you probably would be a pretty good guy…

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 05:38:20

“It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.” – Mark Twain

American Dilemma: By Jim Quinn

“The American herd has gone mad. A few people have regained their senses, but the vast majority still exhibits the behavior of sheep being led to slaughter. The ruling oligarchs have utter contempt for the average American, but they fear the masses. In order to retain their power and wealth, they gladly hand out two years of unemployment payments, food stamps, and welfare payments to keep the masses sedated. The working middle class foots the bill. Corruption abounds and is sustained by the passage of more laws and regulations. The sociopathic powers that control the levers of power in this country need to be brought to justice if this country has any chance at survival. The den of vipers and thieves have trampled on the Constitution, speculated with the country’s funds, risked blowing up the financial system, committed fraud on a massive scale, and continue to rape and pillage the American citizens. Vincible ignorance by the American people is no longer a legitimate excuse. The criminals on Wall Street and Washington DC must be routed out and Americans must awaken from their delusional state before it is too late. I weep for the liberty of my country.” ~ Mass Delusion - American Style

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-16 07:11:50

Will it take a violent revolution to turn things around? Or would the aftermath be even worse than what we have now?

Comment by llking
2010-08-16 08:14:03

Will it be as violent as Tila Tequila getting stoned at the concert?

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 09:54:59
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-16 15:36:00

I frankly believe this scenario is more likely under a Republican administration, than under Obama.

If Obama was so interested in conspiring to enslave the country, as the Ditto-heads allege, the first thing he would have done when he got into office would have been to ban/restrict/criminalize firearms ownership.

Instead, I haven’t heard a peep from either Obama or the Democratic leadership in Congress on that one.

Which is more likely:

-Obama and the Democrats conspiring to take over the country without confiscating everyone’s guns, or

-The whole thing is a scheme by the Republican fear-monger industry……spewing out “Obama wants to enslave you” stories and knowing some will buy the BS…….aided by their backers in the NRA and firearms industry, who have profited greatly by selling stuff to stock up the bunkers?

Same thing happened in 1991. Clinton and the Democrats actually got (temporary) bans passed. And paid the price come 1994. Every Democrat knows that the “gun issue” is their third rail, and don’t even talk about it anymore, much less propose legislation.

All those people that bought guns in 1991 are set, they don’t need any more guns. But now it’s almost 20 years later, and the NRA has a whole new generation they need to scare.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 15:48:36

What really torques me is that all this fearmongering has driven ammo prices way up. Which I find annoying, as I do like to go out to the range and practice now and then.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-16 09:31:57

I weep for the liberty of my country.

Why? America’s constitutional government is just an EXPERIMENT in people’s ability to “…form a more perfect means of living,… “all together now”"

What you thought the EXPERIMENT was over? :-)

Ho ho, hah hah, hehehehehehe, BwaHaHaAhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower™)

(PS, there are “other” locations, people’s, experiments taking place right now…Geez Jim, are you tied to a chair or something? Be FREE!,… as free as the wind blows, oh wait, maybe your feeling nostalgic for 1957, right after we cured polio, no wars, no McMansion’s, tv was in it’s infancy, politicians & bankers were honest folk with modest ambitions, repubicans were fiscally conservative and democrapts were only concerned with grape pickers…)

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 11:29:40

The criminals on Wall Street and Washington DC must be routed out and Americans must awaken from their delusional state before it is too late. I weep for the liberty of my country.”

Who will do the routing? The left? The right? How can either when we are fighting ourselves?

I had great hopes for the Tea-Party however they have been side tracked and distracted from the greatest danger of “The sociopathic powers that control the levers of power in this country” (and who) “need to be brought to justice”

Is it the conservatives who see the enemy for what it is? I wonder. Historically, conservatives have been a well of patriotism and an anchor of American culture but many have become lost in a forest of meaningless words, fears, prejudice, empty slogans and failed dogma.

Many intelligent “conservatives” on this board miss the mark thinking socialism is our problem. How they think this when proofs of income inequality, wealth gaps, oligarchy, rich getting richer, poor getting poorer stare them in the face, I don’t know. I just don’t know.

Will it be the liberals who step up to the plate? It was liberals who freed the slaves and fought for minority equal rights, workers rights and woman’s suffrage. But liberals also reached too far with their PC and victimhood nonsense. They became too hostile towards our shared Christian values and now they pay the price. Are they now up to this task? Are there enough of them? I doubt it.

This effort needs to come from the center of all Americans. The left and right need to cease fighting each other over less urgent matters and concentrate on the here and now.

Time is not our friend. It is fleeting. We are being looted here and now and our American way of life is being stolen so just a few can have so much more. The very few who care nothing about America are winning.

And it’s not un-American to say these things. In fact, it’s the essence of being American to say such things.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-08-16 16:15:22

Well said, Rio.

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-08-16 17:39:51

Will it be the liberals who step up to the plate? It was liberals who freed the slaves and fought for minority equal rights,

Abraham Lincoln (a Republican) was a liberal?
Those 500,000 Union Republican Army dead were liberals?
The Abolitionist movement was (A Christian movement)
Jim Crow was ….(a Democrat)
The Party the instituted Jim Crow Laws (and Poll Taxes) all across the South was (the democrat party)
The party the filibustered and blocked the Civil Right legislation of the 1950s and 1960 were… (Democrats)
More (Republicans) voted for the Civil Rights Legislation than (Democrats) on a percentage basis
The Party that started the KKK were (Democrats)
The only party to have a sitting senator for 40 years+ that was a KKK member was (a Democrat)

Etc.

Stop relying on your liberal public education.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 18:16:19

Abraham Lincoln (a Republican) was a liberal? etc. etc.

Stop relying on your liberal public education.

Why? I am correct. (But OK my education was public and private)

I would suggest you study the changing nature of the Democratic and Republican party in the context of American history; what each party stood for at which time and in which geographic region; North or South. They have changed.

Your mistaken assumptions that ‘liberal’ equates to the Democratic party of the Civil War, Christian abolitionists were not ‘liberal’ because they were Christian, Lincoln was not a ‘liberal’ because he was Republican might show that you are not relying on much on any education, liberal or otherwise.

Just kidding about your education part. None of us are right all the time.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 18:30:47

Abraham Lincoln (a Republican) was a liberal?

Yes. Can you explain how he wasn’t a liberal in the context of emancipation?

Abraham Lincoln As a Man of Ideas, Alan C. Guelzo 2009 Southern Illinois Press

“Abraham Lincoln was a fatalist who promoted freedom; he was a classical liberal who couched liberalism’s greatest deed - emancipation of the slaves - in the unliberal language of divine providence; he was a religious doubter who became a national icon bordering on religion; and he was a rights-oriented liberal who appealed to natural law when confronting slavery”–Provided by publisher.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-08-16 19:34:49

Most of those southern Democrats are now Republicans. It was Johnson, a Democrat, who signed it into law.

And Rio was speaking of liberals, not political parties. The southern Democrats were conservatives in their culture, trying to preserve the status quo.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 19:49:46

At the time of the Civil War, the Republican party was the liberal party and the Democrats were the conservatives- they wanted to ‘conserve’ our nation’s traditions (of slaveholding). ‘Liberal’ and ‘Democrat’ are not synonymous, nor are ‘Republican’ and ‘conservative’.

As the Democratic party became the liberal party that it (somewhat) is today, more and more ‘Dixiecrats’ peeled off from the party until the once solid Democratic South became just the opposite. This explains most of your points about votes on civil rights etc.

And Jim Crow wasn’t a real person.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 19:53:46

Whoops, I should hit reload more often.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-16 19:27:41

Welcome back to the 19th century!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-16 19:31:11

The criminals on Wall Street and Washington DC must be routed out and Americans must awaken from their delusional state before it is too late.

Yep, we have them right where they want us.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 05:50:11

Study: N.Y. has highest closing costs
By Bankrate.com

New York and Texas remain the most expensive states for mortgage closing costs, according to Bankrate.com’s annual mortgage fee survey.

In last year’s closing costs survey, Texas was most expensive and New York was second. This year, the order was reversed. In four of the past five years, the two states have occupied the two top spots.

Utah, California and Alaska round off the top five most expensive states.
Closing Costs Study

Arkansas was the least expensive state in this year’s closing costs survey, followed by North Carolina, Iowa, Montana and Wisconsin. There was no consistency at the bottom of the rankings; in 2009, five completely different states occupied the least-expensive rungs.
Big jump in fees?
On average, the origination and third-party fees on a $200,000 purchase mortgage added up to $3,741 in this year’s survey. That’s a 36.6 percent increase over last year’s average of $2,739.

Fees charged directly by lenders went up 22.8 percent, while fees charged by third parties — for things such as appraisals and title insurance — rose 47.2 percent.

Did fees really go up that much? Probably not. Lenders say fees did rise — but modestly. A more fundamental change happened this year: The government began requiring lenders to provide accurate good faith estimates of closing costs, or GFEs.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-16 07:14:51

Was “accurate” defined? Was it no more than 1% error from the actual costs? 2%? 5%? What kind of wiggle clauses are in there?

Or was it left intentionally vague so the plaintiff’s bar could have yet another revenue opportunity?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 05:53:03

Lowe’s Profit Trails Estimates as Sales Growth Misses Forecast

(Bloomberg) — Scott Galloway, a professor at New York University’s Stern School of Business, talks about the behavior of U.S. consumers. Galloway talks with Pimm Fox on Bloomberg Television’s “Taking Stock.”

Lowe’s Cos., the second-largest U.S. home-improvement retailer, reported second-quarter profit that missed analysts’ estimates after sales trailed its forecast.

Net income rose 9.6 percent to $832 million, or 58 cents a share, in the quarter ended July 30, from $759 million, or 51 cents, a year earlier, the Mooresville, North Carolina-based company said today in a Business Wire statement. Analysts projected 59 cents, the average of 22 estimates in a Bloomberg survey.

Sales in stores open at least 13 months rose 1.6 percent, compared with the increase of 2 percent to 4 percent forecast by Lowe’s in May. In July, sales at U.S. retailers rose less than economists projected, signaling restrained spending and consumer confidence until companies start hiring again.

Comment by oxide
2010-08-16 06:26:55

Yeah, but at least sales ROSE. I myself saw a bit of an uptick at the paint counter on Saturdays.

And you would THINK that after all these disasters, investors would be content with any kind of “real” return above inflation. But that’s not enough for these yokels. Sales have to rise EVERY month, and it has to rise more every month than it did the last month. Don’t they know what an “upper limit” is? And didn’t used to be yearly or quarterly, now it’s monthly? They’re up-spiraling the profit slinky so tight that the entire thing is breaking.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-08-16 13:38:21

Oy. This sounds like my side of the argument when discussing next year’s quota with sales management. :-D

 
 
Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-16 06:33:06

I often go into lowes and home depot and surprisingly their prices are very close to each other.They each must have lots of secret shoppers checking on each other.Lowes must have a lot of overhead in order to keep those stores so clean.

Comment by oxide
2010-08-16 06:58:44

I suspect Lowe’s makes its money on the home decor and accessories; i.e. the women’s aisles with the shower curtains and lamps. Home Despot doesn’t sell that stuff — they focus on manly-man house guts — so there is no price comparison to be made.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-16 07:20:08

Huh? Both stores sell lighting fixtures, ceiling fans, bathroom fixtures, lumber, sheet rock, power tools, hand tools, flooring of all types, lawn tractors, etc. I’d guess less than 10% of either store’s inventory is not also carried by the other store.

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Comment by packman
2010-08-16 07:28:03

I do shopping at both quite regularly - I’d put the figure closer to 2%.

Seriously - they are essentially carbon copies of each other. Lowe’s has slightly more emphasis on “home decor”, with less on building supplies, but they both have them.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2010-08-16 09:28:20

Actually, if you shop there alot, you will see they are not actually carbon copies of one another for the most part. Most of the devices and lighting you buy there have slightly different featuresets between Lowes and Home Depot to make then not really comparable.

Of course all the basic construction supplies and tools are the same and easily comparable.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-16 09:58:36

Yeah to be honest I do generally just go for construction supplies. I’m a big DIYer, rarely buying decor kinds of things. The rare times that I actually want something decorative I do find Lowes better.

Quantity-wise they probably overlap 98%, though the 2% difference is generally higher-priced decor items.

 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-08-16 11:20:00

Home depot actually had more heavy duty electrical stuff last time I hit both right in a row. To my surprise.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-08-16 11:38:37

The Lowe’s I know have entire aisles of shower curtains and dishracks and dressy-type closet storage shelves — stuff more suited to Target than a home improvement store. Home Depot has very little of that.

 
Comment by eastcoaster
2010-08-16 11:39:36

Home Depot = geared more towards contractors.
Lowes = geared more towards consumers.
I use them both about equally.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-08-16 12:54:44

Home Depot = geared more towards contractors.
Lowes = geared more towards consumers.

Coming soon, “Lowes Depot”

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 05:55:37

Back to School? Bring Your Own Toilet Paper
The New York Times

When Emily Cooper headed off to first grade in Moody, Ala., last week, she was prepared with all the stuff on her elementary school’s must-bring list: two double rolls of paper towels, three packages of Clorox wipes, three boxes of baby wipes, two boxes of garbage bags, liquid soap, Kleenex and Ziplocs.

At Pauoa Elementary School in Honolulu, every student must show up with a four-pack of toilet paper

“The first time I saw it, my mouth hit the floor,” Emily’s mother, Kristin Cooper, said of the list, which also included perennials like glue sticks, scissors and crayons.

Schools across the country are beginning the new school year with shrinking budgets and outsize demands for basic supplies. And while many parents are wincing at picking up the bill, retailers are rushing to cash in by expanding the back-to-school category like never before.

Now some back-to-school aisles are almost becoming janitorial-supply destinations as multipacks of paper towels, cleaning spray and hand sanitizer are crammed alongside pens, notepads and backpacks.

Comment by packman
2010-08-16 07:07:28

Wow.

What’s next - converting the bathrooms into port-a-potties?

You can thank Mr. Debt for slowly reverting out society back to the stone age.

Love Borrowing of money is the root of all evil.”

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-08-16 07:21:49

Schools across the country are beginning the new school year with shrinking budgets and outsize demands for basic supplies

I like it. The families who’s kids are getting an education _should_ be footing more of the bill.

Comment by Kim
2010-08-16 08:21:01

I agree with the sentiment, drumminj. However, we also have an elementary school in our district that has three gym teachers (for about 750 students), one of whom takes home over $85,000 a year (not including pension and bennies). So if I had a kid in that school district, I might be a wee bit miffed if I was asked to bring in toilet paper.

Comment by palmetto
2010-08-16 08:37:43

Maybe they should review the salaries and require the better paid teachers and administrators to bring the toilet paper and dock their pay if they don’t.

And when toilet paper gets stolen, they’ll realize that folks who clip office supplies and toilet paper from where they work are stealing from each other.

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Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-08-16 08:35:54

We’ll still have plenty of cash to invade Iran when the Republicans take power again, though.

 
Comment by eastcoaster
2010-08-16 11:42:51

Yup, sounds like my son’s school list! Well, except for the tp. Last year each kid supplied soap, paper towels, wipes, tissues. Then, we were asked to bring in MORE soap and wipes before the end of the year. Crazy.

Comment by Kim
2010-08-16 13:04:20

Wipes and tissues are on our list too, but not soap, paper towels or TP. Ziplock bags are on EVERY elementary school supply list around here, but oddly no one can explain specifically how they’ll be used. I guess its so when the art project de jour disintegrates in child’s backback, the mess will be contained. But no one has confirmed this.

DD’s school is not charging a $350 text book rental fee, as are some neighboring town’s schools.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 05:58:19

Things are getting interestinger & interestinger. How will BB & company keep the lid on this pressure cooker?

Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-16 06:09:48

Throw more money at housing?People stopped paying and now they are spending that money in other segments of the economy like new cars.The govt is going to keep trhowing money at housing until it stabilizes.

I went to the mall yeterday and the place was packed.I had a hard time finding parking.People arent doing that bad it seems.

Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 06:23:13

“I went to the mall yeterday and the place was packed.I had a hard time finding parking.People arent doing that bad it seems”.

Same thing here in central S.C. malls packed, midnight movies sold out, etc… and yet the numbers from retailers are not what they are hoping for.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-16 06:30:31

The banks are taking it in the shorts on loans but the govt is loaning them money at 0% so they can buy treasuries and get 3%.The only person losing in this deal is the taxpayer.Seems to be business as usual around here.

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Comment by OCsandrenter
2010-08-16 07:10:07

he govt is loaning them money at 0% so they can buy treasuries and get 3%.

Bank to bank lending is currently running around .15%; however, the fed discount window is charging .75%; 10 year treasuries are yielding 2.59% this morning, 5 year @ 1.4%; so the banks aren’t making quite as much of a free spread as you indicate above…also, since more and more banks are piling into this bubble, the yields will continue to plummet; if and when the bubble pops, and when the banks all run to the exits simultaneiously and sell the treasuries and take a massive haircut, their insolvency will be revealed…hence, Bernanke & Co. have painted themselves into an inescapable corner; the Fed will have to monetize all the treasuries the banks bought to keep them solvent…QE3+ which will be the mother of all QEs.

 
Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-16 07:24:09

But it is still the taxpayers on the hook here right?The fed funds rate is bank to bank correct?I know they are trying to keep this around zero but varies daily.I do apprecitate your knowledge but I’m just saying that in the end the taxpayer will end up paying for the housing bubble.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-08-16 06:33:53

“… and yet the numbers from retailers are not what they are hoping for.”

Flocking to the mall is one thing, spending money is another. It doesn’t matter how many people go to the mall if there is no action at the cash registers.

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Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-16 06:48:50

Its a numbers game.The more people coming through the doors increases the odds of sales at the registers.I didnt buy anything and saved my money for a panda express dinner last night.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-08-16 06:54:41

The more people coming through the doors WITH MONEY THEY ARE WILLING TO SPEND increases the odds of sales at the registers.

Everybody has to be somewhere: Might as well be at the mall as anywhere else.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 07:10:45

Everybody has to be somewhere: Might as well be at the mall as anywhere else.

I can’t think of a more revolting place to be, except perhaps a WalMart.

 
Comment by polly
2010-08-16 10:36:41

Hey, the air conditioning at the mall is free. Not even remotely surprised that they are packed and that sales are not quite what was hoped for.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-08-16 13:58:06

Might as well be at the mall as anywhere else.

Shudder

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-08-16 21:07:48

I haven’t been at a mall for a while, but since Austin temps are 104 actual 110 “feels like” these last few days, they are a nice spot for the morning retiree mall walkers. Who might buy a cup of coffee after - IF the price is right.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 10:24:35

“People arent doing that bad it seems”-

Well i guess there really is nothing to worry about then. Interest rates should go right back to 6%, Fannie should be able ot sell all those trillions of dollars of mortgages for a profit, UE benefits should immediately end, states should write the Treasury a check for all the billions of aid, and the whole country should just go about its business.

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Comment by oxide
2010-08-16 06:29:44

Except Applebee’s, which was nearly deserted at noon on Saturday.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 10:25:55

Not the one Eddie goes to with all of his buddies.

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Comment by Eddie
2010-08-16 11:18:57

Noon on Saturday….you mean what is generally considered the slowest time of the week for restaurants? Shocking.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-16 06:47:44

“I went to the mall yeterday and the place was packed.I had a hard time finding parking.People arent doing that bad it seems.”

I know a bunch of people who aren`t doing that bad due to the fact they have not made a house or rent payment in over a year and a half. On top of that 2 of them are 99ers doing cash work. Take away my rent payment for the last year and a half and I would have an extra $32 grand to be out spending. I also saw a couple of reduced listings this weekend, one at $100,000 previous sale $400,000 in 06 and another $145,000 previous sale $350,000 in 07. With losses like that $32 grand doesn`t seem that bad. It`s getting close.

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-08-16 06:59:53

I went to the mall yeterday and the place was packed.I had a hard time finding parking.

Arizonadude, By chance, was Eddie with you?

Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-16 07:25:45

I saw him in victoria secret.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-16 10:01:12

Coming out…of the fitting room? ;-)

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 10:39:41

Eddie is still madly doing laps in long-term parking at the Atlanta airport, apparently.

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Comment by packman
2010-08-16 07:08:45

I went to the mall yeterday and the place was packed.I had a hard time finding parking.People arent doing that bad it seems.

How many of those people are actually buying lots of stuff though, as opposed to going to the mall purely for entertainment value? (Cheaper for instance than going to a movie)

Comment by Sean
2010-08-16 07:50:47

I go to the mall quite often when the temp is over 100. I take my two year old son there to get out of the heat and into the AC.

He runs around, plays in the playground and has a blast while Dad helps revive the economy when he buys his coffee from Caribou. Other than the coffee place I don’t spend any money there.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 08:00:20

It’s been an extremely hot summer. I think a lot of people hang out at the mall to enjoy free air conditioning.

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Comment by Eddie
2010-08-16 08:35:44

“It’s been an extremely hot summer. I think a lot of people hang out at the mall to enjoy free air conditioning.”

Riiiight. Because nobody has A/C at home these days.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2010-08-16 09:32:30

I was at the mall this weekend too. Prices were good, and people were buying. I walked out of Hollister because the $20 shirt I picked wasn’t worth the wait in line to purchase it.

 
Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2010-08-16 10:11:03

So Eddie, you’ve never wanted to just get out of the house?

 
Comment by oxide
2010-08-16 10:33:08

Riiiight. Because nobody has A/C at home these days.

Eddie just what part of “free” don’t you understand? Although, to be fair, you’d spend more in gas getting to and from the mall than you would save in e-.

 
Comment by Eddie
2010-08-16 11:10:00

Sure I want to get out of the house. But the notion of going to the mall for A/C is beyond ridiculous. And when I do feel like leaving the house, going to the mall is right there on the list of place to go next to visit the dentist.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 12:10:21

You can power walk in the AC! Oldsters love that. And kids like anywhere they can get away from their parents.

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-08-16 13:41:49

But the notion of going to the mall for A/C is beyond ridiculous. going to the mall is right there on the list of place to go next to visit the dentist.

Eddie prefers stalking his tenant for the rent check.

New movie - Eddie searches for a tenant.

Eddie: Noticed you’ve been steadily employed for quite awhile. Your credit looks excellent.

Prospective tenant: Thanks.

Eddie: What do you think of Obama?

Prospective tenant: I guess he’s alright.

Eddie: Sorry, but I already promised the apartment to someone else. You might want to try the section 8 house down the street next to the crack house.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-08-16 14:16:51

This may surprise many of you, but most houses in California do not have AC. Maybe the houses built this past decade do, but most don’t.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 17:49:53

Not only did my house in San Jose not have A/C, it didn’t even have central heat! All it had was two natural gas wall heaters.

Back in the 1950’s Santa Clara county was mostly agricultural, but when they replaced fruit orchards with lots of asphalt roads and composition roofs the place heated up. There are a lot more days now with temps in the 90’s than when I was a kid. They houses built back then simply aren’t set up for today’s microclimate. They were built with single-pane windows, NO insulation, and no attempt at draft control.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-16 18:44:09

This may surprise many of you, but most houses in California do not have AC. Maybe the houses built this past decade do, but most don’t.

LOL - yep. Brings back memories. I moved to CA (from Florida) in the fall of ‘97. In the early summer of ‘98 we had a heat spell, and I complained to my landlord (apartment complex) - “The A/C’s not working!”. Her response “A/C … what A/C?” Doh.

Seems the “cool” setting on the thermostat served no function in that place.

Later when we bought a house (which I knew had no A/C) - we had a 108-degree heat spell right after moving in. Shudder.

 
Comment by Weed Wacker
2010-08-17 00:19:54

You still don’t need AC in Santa Clara. Sure there are a few hot days per year, but that isn’t enough to warrant an entire AC system. And a couple of always-on desktop computers can heat a small apartment there. The weather there is very mild. I played tennis year round in shorts and a T when I lived there. My apartment actually had AC, but I only used it on avg 3 times per year.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 07:36:08

I went to the mall yesterday and there was plenty of parking right in front of the storefronts. Bought me three $50 pairs of shoes for a total of $70. It seems deflation has its upside for stimulating consumption demand!

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-16 08:01:05

On the subject of “plenty of parking…” I noticed the assigned parking garage where I park at my apartment in L.A. has more empty spaces than usual. I already renewed my 7 month lease through January though. This part of Los Angeles has wonderful climate every month of the year so I don’t know what the deal is. I doubt if the ex-tenants have decided to do knife-catching in the homes around here since it’s much more expensive to buy than to rent. Typically, houses around here were built in the 1950s. I notice some are very well maintained and remodeled to the original design but most are probably barely maintained and probably are still holding up because the termites are all holding hands!

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Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-16 09:03:47

Did you guys notice the crooked hotels are now charging you parking fees on top of their high rates?Can be like 25 bucks a night.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-16 09:20:16

The locals park at grocery stores and act as though they are shopping for groceries, then walk a few blocks down to the beach and spend a day down there. Or walk to the bars and spend 3 or 4 hours bar hopping.

Plenty of ways to fight the system around here.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-16 10:00:22

Did you guys notice the crooked hotels are now charging you parking fees on top of their high rates?Can be like 25 bucks a night.

Crooked? Why - because they charge your CC without you signing for it?

 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-08-16 08:24:45

“I went to the mall yeterday and the place was packed.I had a hard time finding parking.”

I rarely go to the mall, but I am sure it was busy here too. Yesterday was the last day of the state’s tax holiday and thus probably the last hurrah for back-to-school shopping.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 06:19:41

Beware of $1 Trillion Under Chinese Mattress
(Bloomberg)

Last week, we learned China’s households hide as much as 9.3 trillion yuan ($1.4 trillion) of income not reported in official figures — 80 percent of it by the nation’s wealthiest. This massive pile of stashed cash is equal to about 30 percent of gross domestic product.

There may be both good and bad news in the above study conducted for Credit Suisse Group AG. The good: it lends credence to the domestic-demand story for Chinese growth. It turns out, the average urban disposable household income is 32,154 yuan, or 90 percent more than official figures. The bad: China’s rich-poor gap may be much bigger than we realize.

China’s “Gini coefficient,” a statistical measure of wealth equality, has long been too high. In May, the Economic Information Daily, a government-affiliated newspaper, said the figure reached 0.47, higher than the recognized “warning level” of 0.4.

Things may be far worse in the most populous nation. A widening wealth disparity will lead to trouble down the road for 1.3 billion Chinese and investors betting on stability in an economy that may already be the second-largest.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 07:07:56

The bad: China’s rich-poor gap may be much bigger than we realize.

Oh, I think most of us know that the chasm between the working and managerial class in China is huge, and it’s coming soon to a neighborhood near you!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-16 10:08:20

A widening wealth disparity will lead to trouble down the road for 1.3 billion Chinese and investors betting on stability in an economy that may already be the second-largest

They wanted automobiles…theys got ‘em
They wanted AAA auto insurance claims…theys got ‘em
They want 1.3 Billion consumers to live better than Americans…Oh, the JOY! :-)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 06:31:12

The wasted 4.44% mortgage rate

Last week, U.S. mortgage rates fell for the eighth consecutive week to a record low after the Federal Reserve said it would buy more government debt to help the economy recover. A 30-year fixed-rate mortgage in the week ending Thursday dropped to 4.44% from 4.49%, according to Freddie Mac, which noted it was the lowest since the mortgage finance company began collecting data in 1971. The 15-year rate averaged 3.92%.

The fall in rates ostensibly means homeowners can lower their monthly loan payments by refinancing their existing loans. They’re certainly trying — the Mortgage Bankers Association reported last week that 78.1% of all mortgage applications fell under the refinance category, up from 58.7% in April.

But many of them are filling out all that paperwork only to get a rejection letter in response. The mortgage association does not quantify how many of those who apply for refinance actually get approved, but mortgage brokers say many homeowners are ineligible. Last year the Home Affordable Refinance Program, or HARP, was created to help homeowners get new loans, but the program has only resulted in a small fraction of the refinancings the government aimed to enable.

“The qualifications are so much stricter,” says Dale Robyn Siegel, CEO of Harrison, NY-based Circle Mortgage Group and author of The New Rules for Mortgages. “Banks have realized that even the best of borrowers have lost their jobs. A lot of people are really tapped out.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 06:47:12

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you: An Islamic house of worship — not that there is anything wrong with that: They have their Constitutional freedom of religion, and if most of the new congregation happen to be illegal immigrants, they had their Allah-given right to cross our border.

* POLITICS
* AUGUST 16, 2010

Obama’s Mosque Remarks Reverberate
By VICTORIA MCGRANE And SIOBHAN GORMAN

President Barack Obama’s weekend remarks supporting the right to build a mosque near Ground Zero reverberated across the country, nationalizing a debate over the New York City project.

A number of Republicans on Sunday folded the president’s remarks into their election-year narrative that Mr. Obama, a former constitutional scholar, is out of touch with the American citizenry.

The dispute over the mosque is just the most prominent in a series of debates around the country where Muslim groups have sought to build mosques. In the community of Temecula, Calif., where a proposed mosque has sparked an intense dispute, Mr. Obama’s comments spurred a surge of letters to local newspapers decrying his statements. Pastor William Rench of Calvary Baptist Church, next door to the proposed mosque site, said he now expected opposition to the mosque plan to harden.

“It will galvanize their desire for resistance to the mosque,” he said. “It confirms in their minds the idea that Mr. Obama seems to be more accommodating to the Islamic world than he is for the Christian representation in America.” Mr. Rench said former President George W. Bush, who also spoke of Islam as a peaceful religion, might have made similar statements, but Mr. Rench said he disagreed with those views.

Comment by oxide
2010-08-16 07:04:19

+1 Stucco. A house of worship is one thing. It’s the *ahem* “outreach” and the “community service” that worries me.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-16 07:08:45

So, when are the Republicans going to propose an amendement to the Constitution limiting religious liberty to people they approve of.

Our own equivalent of Al Qaeda. They want to do for the United States what Al Qaeda wants to do for Islam.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 07:14:50

So, when are the Republicans going to propose an amendement to the Constitution limiting religious liberty to people they approve of.

That pesky first ammendment! Repeal that sucker I say!

Our own equivalent of Al Qaeda. They want to do for the United States what Al Qaeda wants to do for Islam.

And like I said yesterday, if they are allowed to ban religions that are unpopular, yours might be next in line. Or you could be forced to join one against your will.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 07:31:50

“…if they are allowed to ban religions that are unpopular, yours might be next in line.”

I happen to disagree with America’s 19th century federal government on this one, but there is a precedent of sorts, at a point when a religious group seemed to be amassing an uncomfortable amount of political power from the perspective of non-adherents.

Read up on the history of the Mormon exile to then-territorial Utah and educate yourself.

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Comment by oxide
2010-08-16 08:42:46

when a religious group seemed to be amassing an uncomfortable amount of political power

The problem is summed up in the Prof’s simple statement. Political factions are pretending to be a “religion” — or coattailing off a real religion — in order to use the First Amendment protections as a shield and cover to inflict their political beliefs on others. Not to mention utilizing tax-free money which was freely given in good faith.

Somebody has to separate the Religion from Religious Political Faction, and ban only the Faction part. Supreme Court?

(I’m surprised that Obama didn’t make this distinction.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 09:21:44

I’m well aware that Joseph Smith and later Brigham Young tried to run a theocracy in their community. The poligamy, which was illegal, also didn’t help and eventually cost Smith his life as he was murdered by an mob.

Brigham Young took the LDS remnant and fled into what was then Mexico. After the Mexican-American war the LDS found themselves on the wrong side of the border again and changed their religion so it no longer containied the polygamy problem. As for insularity, the LDS still tend to close ranks these days are rarely socialize outside of their church circles.

Nevertheless, if the 1st ammendment is repealed then I don’t see how we can prevent the appearance of state churches. Live in Utah or Idaho, the LDS would be the state church, in the south it would Baptists and Church of Christ (or better yet I could see a struggle between those two for the title in each state)

If Muslims perform criminal acts, try to recruit terrorists, perform “honor killings” etc., then they should be prosecuted and locked up. But if they behave how can we deny them their first ammendment rights?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 11:09:36

“poligamy”

poly = many
gamy = wives

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 13:56:50

Why would anybody want more than one?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 15:02:10

They’re nicer when there’s some competition?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 16:17:21

“They’re nicer when there’s some competition?”

I’ve seen that dynamic, both in my own personal life and in a roommates (both cases a few decades back!). Though you are right to a degree about the competition dynamic, it can get really ugly.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 07:24:44

I don’t expect it, but who knows: If the definition of “marriage” can be altered to legitimize state-approved homosexual weddings, perhaps a similar redefinition of “freedom” could be used to exclude religions that pose a long-term threat to American national security on our own soil?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 07:26:50

Don’t say I didn’t warn you that I was cantankerous.

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Comment by palmetto
2010-08-16 08:15:32

“perhaps a similar redefinition of “freedom” could be used to exclude religions that pose a long-term threat to American national security on our own soil?”

Amen, brothah! I was wondering if “freedom of religion” would include the right to execute women for adultery, or cut off their noses, or stone people for various offenses?

How far can that envelope be pushed?

I believe you are looking at a “religion” that is not compatible with the concept of “freedom of religion”. Or freedom, period.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 08:32:50

“…would include the right to execute women for adultery, or cut off their noses, or stone people for various offenses?”

It’s their Constitutional right to practice their religion as they see fit; end of story.

Wait — I forgot a couple of details:

- Women will not be allowed in public without covering their faces.

- Anyone found guilty of helping to educate women will be sumarily sent to prison and tortured.

- Infidels who do not convert to Islam will have their heads cut off.

- Islam is a religion of peace, and is due the same tolerance under the American Constitution as all other religions.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 10:53:01

Freedom Of Religion does not exempt people from following the law. They’re allowed to believe in whatever they want, not do whatever they want.

What needs clarification is that the 1st Amendment was intended to be Freedom FROM Religion. As in, nobody can dictate what religion you have to follow. It wasn’t intended to let you be exempt from legal consequences for the actions you undertake in the name of whatever religion.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 11:08:14

“Freedom FROM Religion”

Hear hear!

 
Comment by sfrenter
2010-08-16 15:08:20

We’ll have real freedom FROM religion when we are able to elect an atheist president. We are a long way from that.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 15:12:02

We’ll have real freedom FROM religion when we are able to elect an atheist president. We are a long way from that.

Right now, the best known non-believing politician is California Congressman Pete Stark. And he’s been in Congress since 1973.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 17:32:39

I’m sure we’ve already elected several atheist presidents. We’ll have freedom from religion when they can admit it and still get elected.

 
 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-08-16 07:38:59

How many people know there is already an existing mosque even closer to ground zero?

That being the case - you have to ask - why exactly is this mosque being proposed? Seems obvious it’s figure-in-the-eye action - essentially a Dome of the Rock for the U.S.

Personally I say fine - we won’t restrict your freedom, and allow them to build it. Then as part of the freedom tower design include a giant 60-story one-figure-salute looking down in its direction.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 07:56:04

“…figure finger-in-the-eye action - essentially a Dome of the Rock for the U.S.”

I also have a hard time spelling on the fly when I am incensed.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-16 08:02:55

Dude! I’m shocked - you’re wasting agnst on this!?

Right now, of all times, is it really wise to take one’s eyes off the sticky fingers of TTT, Benny, and the banks?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 08:33:55

Spend a little time in Afghanistan and get back to us.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 11:33:25

Anyone seen Step?

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 07:56:58

And there’s a mosque in the Pentagon.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 10:29:48

I’m only aware of the one in the White House.

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Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-16 08:03:47

“That being the case - you have to ask - why exactly is this mosque being proposed?”

How many “Christian” churches are there in the vicinity of “Ground Zero?” They are there to serve different points of view. This is a facility for people with a particular point of view on Islam. In most Islamic countries, the mosque could probably not be built. Now about in the USA?

The loudmouths are just playing their usual game to distract people from more important issues. Unless they are planning to repeal the Bill of Rights, or just go straight to a putsch and not bother, religious institutions are free to build facilities on their own private property. No one in government needs to be for or against it, as it is none of their business.

Comment by palmetto
2010-08-16 09:01:41

Yes, but I was wondering about this “freedom of religion” thing. Does that include stoning people for various infractions, real or imagined? Does that mean women can be executed for adultery? Have their noses cut off?

Does that mean others can be maimed and killed for not agreeing with the tenets of Islam, whatever they may be?

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Comment by Young Deezy
2010-08-16 09:14:38

Yes palmy, it does. Also, I’m gonna conduct my human sacrifices whenever and wherever I want, government and the law be damned!

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 09:24:44

“I’m gonna conduct my human sacrifices whenever and wherever I want, …”

Freedom of religion is a Constitutional right. I say go for it!

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 12:01:44

How about a giant, sitting cross-legged, former NY mayor Ed Koch statue with the sole of his shoe pointing towards the door?

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 10:10:43

How large should the mosque exclusion zone be around ground zero?

How large is the Christian church exclusion zone around the remains of the Murrow Building in Oklahoma City?

Comment by oxide
2010-08-16 10:35:38

+1

Way to go Alpha!!!

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 10:57:03

I’d recommend a radius of about 12,450.775 miles.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-16 11:09:11

You mean KKK exclusion zone right? (being that that was the organization, not the Christian church, that McVeigh associated himself with)

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 11:23:35

So you’re calling for an al-qaida seclusion zone around ground zero? Or a mosque seclusion zone? (The KKK claims to be christian.)

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Comment by packman
2010-08-16 11:31:03

I never said either, in fact I mention allowing them to build it above.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-16 11:42:41

P.S. you’re not seriously drawing parallels of 2-3 wackos way outside the fringes of a religion and several thousand people much closer to the core fundamentals of a religion, are you?

I realize the principles are more or less the same - but let’s not ignore the degrees here, nor the core of the religion itself. The Qu’ran for instance specifically allows for killing people for just “spreading mischief”. Please show me where in the new testament this is allowed.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 11:58:07

How about the old testament? Christians follow that, too (when it suits them), and it’s chock full of killing the non-believers, sinners, etc.

And surely you’re not saying there aren’t a lot of christian terrorists. You are aware of the ‘Troubles’ in Ireland, amongst many other cases, correct?

Religions attract extremists- they all do. Weak minds like absolute answers.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-16 12:24:41

Please do a comparison of the number of civilians killed each year by people in the name of each religion and get back to me.

(No I won’t do it for you. Yes it would be very time consuming, but any sensible person that doesn’t live in a cave can get the general gist by following the news.)

Do you honestly think such numbers would even be remotely close?

If so - I’ve got some great land to sell you - cheap!

 
 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 10:25:39

I guess the Teapartiers will rally in Obama’s defense, seeing as how he’s upholding the Constitution, just like they demand of him.

What’s that? They’re not? Seems rather…inconsistent.

One could almost say their claims to be so concerned about the Constitution are fraudulent, no?

Defending the parts of the Constitution you like, and ignoring or denying the parts you don’t, hardly makes you a patriot. It’s easy to be for your own freedom, it’s tolerating the next guy’s freedom that makes hypocrites of so many.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 10:46:41

I’m all for banning the Mosque as long as they shut down all the other churches and synagogs/etc in the 5 block radius or whatever distance it is that makes people butthurt about this.

I don’t see these people lining up to protest that the U.S. does business with Saudi Arabia, and that country had a DEFINITE link to 9/11. If you’re going to brand a whole religion, you should be branding the country the majority of those guys come from as well. Their chant should be “Out of Iraq and Into Saudi Arabia!”

Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-08-16 11:30:55

It’s kind of ironic that the Bin Laden family invested in Bush Jr. before he made president, with the expectation he would.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-16 17:02:56

Well said.

SA got a free pass from day one and meanwhile the country that said it would never experience another “Vietnam” is just around the corner from having spent an entire decade in a wasteland.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 12:07:01

I am not a church goer and could not care less what or whom someone worships. Be it god, buddha, a cow, a tree, the sun or a pissed off alcoholic merchant named mohamed. It’s the in your face crap that is annoying, built the damn thing, and perhaps someone could open a gay and lesbian pole dancing bar right next door.

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-16 12:39:00

Uh….wombats, it’s happening. Greg Gutfield is opening a moslem-themed gay bar right next to the proposed mosque.

The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps – but still want to dance.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/ggutfeld/2010/08/09/investment-opportunity-my-ground-zero-gay-bar/

Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 14:32:09

“This is not a joke. I’ve already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance”.

Cool, great idea, it’s really all about “tolerance” no way the good folks running the proposed mosque would have a problem with it.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 15:01:44

Greg Gutfield is opening a moslem-themed gay bar right next to the proposed mosque.

Muslim-themed gay bar? I didn’t think there were any gay Muslims. At least not in Iran anyway.

‘Vilified as a Holocaust denier, a supporter of terrorism and a backer of Iraqi insurgents, the president of Iran was actually able to make New Yorkers burst into laughter - though he did not intend to.

“In Iran we don’t have homosexuals like in your country,” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said at Columbia University last night in response to a question about the recent execution of two gay men there.

“In Iran we do not have this phenomenon,” he continued. “I do not know who has told you we have it.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483746/We-dont-gays-Iran-Iranian-president-tells-Ivy-League-audience.html#ixzz0woCftEAK

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Comment by drumminj
2010-08-16 18:39:44

Uh….wombats

IIRC, the mbz = mercedes benz. I’m not sure about the w…white?

Anyway….it’s not short for “wombats” - that much I know! :)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 14:44:41

I am perfectly fine with anyone else’s freedom to follow their religious beliefs according to the dictates of their own conscience, provided their religion doesn’t include any rules which require them to kill me if I happen to disagree with them.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 20:05:45

Have you ever read the bible?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 12:50:44

Republicans Seize ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ As New Campaign Issue
President Obama’s Support for Islamic Center Opened Door to Republican Assault
By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
Aug. 16, 2010

The White House said today that President Obama’s comments on the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” were not driven by politics, but Republican have seized on his remarks and appear determined to make into an election issue this November.
political impact of 9/11 mosque

The president’s statement on Friday that Muslims have a right to build an Islamic center two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center attack that was carried out by Islamic militants immediately prompted outraged reactions. The next day, Obama appeared to soften his stance by saying that he questioned the wisdom of the building the center so close to Ground Zero.

 
Comment by TCM_guy
2010-08-16 13:50:08

Mr. Obama, a former constitutional scholar…

What constitutes a Constitutional scholar? How do I become one?

Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 14:27:41

“What constitutes a Constitutional scholar? How do I become one”?

Simple just say that you are one! That’s how Barry does it.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 07:01:28

I personally detect no shortage of BS artists who are happy to provide the good news on housing which the market is unlikely to provide in the near term.

“In short, the housing market in the middle of the decade had all the characteristics of a bubble.”

If it looks like a bubble, inflates like a bubble and pops like a bubble, IT’S A BUBBLE, FOR CRISSAKE!

Your House Might Be Underwater for Years

By Michael Carliner - Aug 15, 2010 6:00 PM PT
Bloomberg Opinion

The housing market has usually led the U.S. economy into and out of recessions. It certainly led us into the latest slump.

The same can’t be said of the recovery. If anything, housing today is stifling economic expansion.

Rebounds in housing have typically been driven by declines in mortgage rates. Not this time. Rates on a 30-year mortgage have dropped to about 4.5 percent — the lowest since the early 1950s — with little effect. Tax credits and other programs to encourage buyers have provided only a modest, temporary boost.

Other traditional measures of value, such as the size of monthly mortgage payments relative to income, show that housing is a bargain now.

None of that matters because houses are bought with an eye toward the future and in anticipation of an eventual sale.

We saw what happened in the boom in the middle of the decade — even though prices soared, demand increased as consumers thought about how much money they would have made had they bought sooner. People bought homes, often with no plans to occupy with an eye toward selling and making a quick profit.

In short, the housing market in the middle of the decade had all the characteristics of a bubble.

Bust Time

Now we’re seeing the opposite mindset. If a potential buyer believes that housing prices may fall more, then mortgage rates of 4.5 percent won’t attract home buyers. Rates could even drop to zero and it might not outweigh consumers’ negative perceptions.

Household expectations of future U.S. home price appreciation aren’t directly measured, and are probably based on recent experience.

If expectations reflect changes in home prices over the last three years, for example, consumers seem to anticipate annual house price declines of 3.7 percent to 10.4 percent, depending on which of the various house price indexes is used.

This pessimism is heightened by increased uncertainty, because home ownership typically ties up a high portion of an individual’s assets. Diversification isn’t likely to offset the risk associated with home ownership.

What will it take to turn this attitude around? Only a sustained flow of favorable information is likely to alter negative perceptions of housing as an investment. The market is unlikely to provide such good news in the near term.

Comment by SDGreg
2010-08-16 08:58:01

“None of that matters because houses are bought with an eye toward the future and in anticipation of an eventual sale.”

Still no mention of shelter as a reason for buying.

“Only a sustained flow of favorable information is likely to alter negative perceptions of housing as an investment.”

So all we need is more propaganda? We seem to have cornered the market on that, at least for now, to no avail any longer. Even propaganda can’t rescue this housing market.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 09:22:54

“Still no mention of shelter as a reason for buying.”

The bubble mentality lives on through the bust, leading me to believe that we have many more years of housing bust to come.

Comment by packman
2010-08-16 10:04:10

Or many more cycles of boom/bust.

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Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-16 09:00:21

I don’t think anyone who didn’t buy at the peak 2004 to 2008 peak, didn’t HELOC or cash our re-fi, didn’t overpay subsequenlty and has been paying on a self-amortizing mortage, is going to be underwater at all.

My house value would have to drop below zero to be underwater, including the value of the lot it sits on.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 11:24:00

How about a flood?

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-08-16 07:21:19

Internships attract more experienced and older applicants
By Matt Cherry, CNNRadio
August 16, 2010 8:31 a.m. EDT

(CNN) — They’re not just for college kids anymore.

It appears the struggling job market means more competition for fall internships — and age is no boundary according to a new survey by CareerBuilder.com. It found 23 percent of employers are seeing experienced workers apply for internships with them. These applications have come from people who either have more than 10 years of experience or who are age 50 and older.

“This economic downtown has really redefined what an internship is,” said Mike Erwin, senior career advisor for the website.

Erwin says while internships have traditionally been seen as a way for college students and entry-level workers to get experience for their resume, the survey indicates mature workers now need this as well in order to re-enter the workforce.

“They need to make sure that they’re filling in the gaps while being unemployed, so they’re going ahead and taking these internships whether they’re paid or unpaid so they can get more experience, and hopefully land a full-time job,” Erwin said.

—-

Wow, every time I think that corporations have raided every possible pocket of value in passing their costs on to customers and employees, they find another one. First it was outsourcing. Then it was longer hours. Then fewer benefits. Then it was job-security and rank-and-yank. Now it appears that companies are raiding the employee salaries themselves. Use ‘em up, keep a few, throw ‘em out, find a new batch. Just another item that you HAVE to have on your resume (along with multiple college degrees).

And companies have convinced the workers that it’s their own fault because they were lazy and “didn’t produce.” This is insane…

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 07:59:08

I had one of those unpaid internships when I was in college. It was at a radio station whose parent company could have easily afforded to pay me and the other intern-slaves.

Essentially, we were the free clerical help, and we were treated accordingly. And, at least from the perspective of my home university, I was supposed to be gaining professional experience. Yeah, right!

So, count me as one who has long held unpaid internships in contempt.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-16 07:59:45

How much house can one buy on an internship?

Ha, recovery my azz - at least the strawberry pickers got paid!

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 12:34:41

Wow, every time I think that corporations have raided every possible pocket of value in passing their costs on to customers and employees, they find another one. First it was outsourcing. Then it was longer hours. Then fewer benefits. Then it was job-security and rank-and-yank. Now it appears that companies are raiding the employee salaries themselves. Use ‘em up, keep a few, throw ‘em out, find a new batch. Just another item that you HAVE to have on your resume (along with multiple college degrees).

And companies have convinced the workers that it’s their own fault because they were lazy and “didn’t produce.” This is insane…

John Brown fought against and gave his life to end the most ugly end result of this type of thing.

Comment by packman
2010-08-16 12:46:44

Because… corporations trade employees in chains in the marketplace?

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-16 07:54:10

3 out of 5 boomer’s don’t have enough for retirement

http://tinyurl.com/25zub4k

comment section (this could have been my comment as well, but it wasn’t…):

“never get married..NEVER have kids, and you will be just fine.
just because everyone does it, does not mean you have to.
I didn’t..not worth the trouble.”
———————————-

My own comment: If 60% of the boomers saved nothing for retirement and if 50% of those have houses, then 30% of the boomers will unload their houses to be able to pay for their health care and other needs. That of course would mean far more years of price drops ahead. The tail end of the boomers turn 50 in 2013 or 2014. About 15 years of saturation of the housing market unless we can give amnesty to the drug running cartels from south of the border. Then they can have ten people to a house (and there goes the neighborhood!).

Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-16 09:31:28

Right, and remember those at the tail end of the boomers are much poorer than those at the front end (though better off than most of those coming after).

As for the wife and kids, who the heck is going to look after you in old age? Someone else’s wife and kids?

I expect that the socialization of senior care is going to come under some strain, given the past 40 years of divorce and single parenthood.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-16 10:54:43

The question of who to look after single seniors is being answered in Japan, who are ahead of the U.S. in percentage of aging singles.

robots.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 11:20:53

Killbots! More efficient! You only need to rent it for a day.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 11:31:22

And then there’s this:

Crisis in Japan: Many ‘centenarians’ are missing or long dead
commitment to elderly is in question
By Martin Fackler - New York Times News Service

TOKYO — Japan has long boasted of having a population with many of the world’s oldest people — testament, many say, of a society with a superior diet and a commitment to its elderly that is unrivaled in the West.

That was before police found the body of a man thought to be one of Japan’s oldest, at 111 years, mummified in his bed, dead for more than three decades. His daughter, now 81, hid his death to continue collecting his monthly pension payments, the police said.

Alarmed, local governments sent teams to check on other elderly residents. What they found so far has been anything but encouraging.

A woman thought to be Tokyo’s oldest, who would be 113, was last seen in the 1980s. Another woman, who would be the oldest in the world at 125, probably has been missing for a long time. When city officials tried to visit her at her registered address, they discovered the site had been turned into a park — in 1981.

Authorities have been unable to find more than 281 Japanese who had been listed in official records as 100 or older.

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 12:53:41

It’s the killbots, I’m tellin’ ya!

 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-16 16:53:36

I don’t think you’ve spent too much time in nursing homes - most nursing home residents had/have spouses and kids.

Plus, procreating just to ensure one’s comfort and security in old age is a dubious proposition. I say this from having much firsthand experience in the matter of keeping aged parents out of nursing homes. There may be many reasons to marry and have kids, but that shouldn’t be one of them.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-16 21:58:45

+1

I will skip the ugly truth about my mom’s death - in a hospital, and her one month illness from surgery to death has haunted me for years. My father died in the family home from his terminal illness. He had it better. But in both their cases, most of the offspring were busy working for a living in other cities in the last day of their lives. For my dad’s case, he had 24 hour per day care givers. They were great women. My dad was a strong trooper until two weeks before death. Then the morphine was ever present.

Most people die alone. Face the fact.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2010-08-16 09:36:13

I would venture to guess that a higher proportion of medical spending stays in the US than other consumption in general. The recipients of those dollars will be buying property in the US.

Just pay attention to population growth…with population growth (and increasing NIMBYism), it is hard for me to see how home prices stay depressed.

 
Comment by Weed Wacker
2010-08-16 15:45:21

Learned something new today. I am a “tail end boomer”. AKA an “old fart”. :)

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-08-16 17:21:03

never get married..NEVER have kids, and you will be just fine.
just because everyone does it, does not mean you have to.
I didn’t..not worth the trouble.

Sure…if you want to exclude yourself from certain types of happiness.

My relationship just ended b/c I choose not to have children. I can afford to, but just don’t care for that lifestyle (honestly I’m ambivilent about marriage - i see it as a piece of paper, overall). As a result of that choice, I’m losing out on a great relationship….

Perhaps you can have the personal/romantic relationships you want without either of those two things, but I think it’s quite rare/difficult. The trick is simply to be very careful about who you enter these arrangements with, and be SURE you can afford it.

And of course be sure that it’s what you want. Personally, I think I’d be considerably less happy with the responsibility of being a parent, which is why I walked away from a great relationship….

 
 
Comment by Faraway
2010-08-16 07:56:49

Found this while trying to relocate the headline (at 2 am) story of foreclosures rocketing to the most extreme levels yet in metro Atlanta (the story of extreme new levels of foreclosures has disappeared).

Realtor Accused Of Stealing From Students:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/24643147/detail.html

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 11:23:36

How is that different from anybody else selling instructional DVDs on real estate investing? :D

 
 
Comment by Faraway
2010-08-16 08:00:52

New record set for metro Atlanta foreclosures:
The Biz Beat New record set for metro Atlanta foreclosures
4:33 am August 16, 2010, by Henry Unger

The foreclosure picture in metro Atlanta is getting worse.

The number of foreclosure notices in the 13-county region skyrocketed 59 percent in August from July, shattering the previous monthly record, according to data released Monday by Equity Depot

“I will say the foreclosure crisis now is clearly a self-feeding monster,” Barry Bramlett, president of Alpharetta-based Equity Depot, said in an e-mail to the AJC. “People are underwater and clearly many are making the judgment that a credit hit is better than throwing money away they don’t feel they’ll recover.”

Bramlett said “this month’s totals are off the charts.”

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-16 08:09:41

This correlates with recent stories of foreclosure activity from my city (Chicago). It appears the foreclsoure flood is swamping the “heartland” cities now - and at the same time the “prime” borrowers.

Those intent on looking only at NV, AZ, FL, and CA are about to miss out on quite a show!

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 09:32:45

But I thought there was an hour wait at Chili’s in the greater Atlanta area.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 10:32:19

Sounds like a great time to buy investment property near Atlanta.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 11:24:47

“this month’s totals are off the charts.”

Sounds like somebody hasn’t figured out how to use auto-resizing in his chart making software. It’s pretty simple, really.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 08:07:58

To put this story further into perspective, American Public Media’s Marketplace just mentioned the home-builder confidence index was at a level of 72 in 2005; as mentioned below, it has steadily remained under the “neutral sentiment” level of 50 since April 2006, with no sign of recovery in sight.

You have to wonder why the builder-related stock price indexes would rally on this news. I suppose that each time this index reaches a new low, we are that much closer to reaching a housing market bottom?

Economic Report

Aug. 16, 2010, 10:49 a.m. EDT
Home-builders index slumps to 17-month low

By Steve Goldstein, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Home-builder confidence slumped in August to a 17-month low, according to a report released Monday, in another indicator of a tentative housing market.

The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo Housing Market Index fell 1 point to 13, its worst reading since March 2009. Economists polled by MarketWatch had anticipated a rise to 15.
Housing ills cloud Fannie-Freddie summit

Nick Timiraos discusses what to expect at Tuesday’s summit that is planned to address some of the problems at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

To put the data in perspective, any reading above 50 indicates that more builders view conditions as good than poor. There hasn’t been a reading above 50 since April 2006.

Builder pessimism is also reflected in the stock market — both the SPDR S&P Homebuilder exchange-traded fund (XHB 14.23, +0.08, +0.57%) and iShares Dow U.S. Home Construction Index Fund (ITB 10.99, +0.07, +0.64%) are mired near 52-week lows, though both indexes advanced Monday.

Jennifer Lee, senior economist at BMO Capital Markets, said in a research note that all the gains made over the past year as the economy has recovered and the now-expired homebuyer tax credit came into effect are gone.

“Builders are expressing the same concerns that they are hearing from consumers right now, particularly the sense that the overall economy and job market aren’t gaining any traction,” said NAHB Chairman Bob Jones in a statement.

“Meanwhile, many continue to report that problems with inaccurate appraisals, competition from the large number of distressed properties on the market, and tight consumer-lending conditions are causing them to lose potential sales,” he said.

Comment by neuromance
2010-08-16 18:15:47

To put this story further into perspective, American Public Media’s Marketplace just mentioned the home-builder confidence index was at a level of 72 in 2005; as mentioned below, it has steadily remained under the “neutral sentiment” level of 50 since April 2006, with no sign of recovery in sight.

You have to wonder why the builder-related stock price indexes would rally on this news. I suppose that each time this index reaches a new low, we are that much closer to reaching a housing market bottom?

The public has been well trained to buy the dips on the way down. I remember back in 2000-2002, with Nasdaq. Every dip was a buying opportunity. Here, about 10 years later, with Nasdaq still over 50% off its peak, I think people have finally learned that “buying the dip” is not the automatic path to riches.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-16 08:17:20

Banks to benefit most from White House program to help fight foreclosures.

thehill dot com/blogs/on-the-money/banking-financial-institutions/114349-banks-to-benefit-most-from-white-house-program-to-stave-off-foreclosures

This is news?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 08:36:21

To a lot of non-HBB-ers, it is indeed news.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-16 10:10:06

:-)

 
 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-08-16 08:42:17

If American citizens wanted a benefit from these programs, they should have had the foresight to bribe some congressmen.

Comment by SDGreg
2010-08-16 09:19:30

“If American citizens wanted a benefit from these programs, they should have had the foresight to bribe some congressmen.”

Or I could just form my own corporation and I should be good to go as far as legally bribing my congress members, so sayeth the supremes.

Maybe I could even focus test the name of the corporation to make it more palatable to the intended recipients.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 11:26:41

Bribes”R”Us?
IGiveCashForConcessions.com?
SueySueySuey Inc?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 11:40:46

ICantBelieveItsNotDemocracy
Bribery In Motion
Congressional Priceline

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 09:59:13

In a Wall Street Journal piece by Gerald O’Driscoll, former Vice President of a Federal Reserve Bank. He says, “Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner is proposing to repeat the mistake of Herbert Hoover, who persuaded Congress to raise taxes in 1932.”

~ The Fed Can’t Solve Economic Woes

Comment by Doghouse Riley
2010-08-16 13:36:49

“Mister, we’ve got a man like Herbert Hoover againnnn….”

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 10:03:54

Mortgage closing costs jump 40% in Illinois

Average mortgage closing costs have jumped 40 percent in Illinois this year, according to an online survey by personal finance company Bankrate Inc.

The origination and third-party fees on a $200,000 mortgage added up to $3,505 in the the 2010 survey, up from $2,486 a year ago.

Illinois was not alone in the dramatic rise. Nationally average closing costs increased 36 percent to $3,741. Bankrate said one of the reasons for the increase has to do with new regulations implemented in January. Lenders are now required to provide an estimate of title and closing fees within 10 percent of what the final cost will bd, or they’ll risk penalties. The regulations require more labor in getting a loan together.

Even with the increase, Illinois ranked 31st out of 50 states surveyed (plus Washington, D.C.) The most expensive state was New York with an average fee of $5,623. Last year, Illinois ranked 43rd.

Comment by packman
2010-08-16 10:10:22

Wow. Good find. Got a link?

Years ago there used to be a general rule of thumb - that buying a house generally wasn’t good as an investment unless you were planning to own the house for at least 5 years (I think that was the time period). The main factor was closing costs - which offset about the first 5 years worth of gains you would make vs. renting.

Seems like this changes that figure quite a bit (if/when we ever get back to a “normal” housing market).

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-08-16 10:23:00

No surprise there. Thier thought being “you actually want us to do our job which provides us with another excuse to raise the costs and fees”.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 10:05:30

Homebuilder confidence sinks for 3rd month
Weak economy, competition from foreclosures push index of builder confidence down.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Homebuilder confidence dropped for the third straight month in August as the struggling economy and a flood of cheap foreclosed properties kept people from buying new homes.

The National Association of Home Builders said its monthly index of builders’ sentiment about the housing market fell to 13, the lowest reading since March 2009. The index is adjusted for seasonal factors.

Readings below 50 indicate negative sentiment about the market. The last time the index was above 50 was in April 2006.

Fewer people are buying new homes, even though prices have stabilized in the past year and those who have good credit can qualify for the lowest mortgage rates in decades. The market is struggling because jobs are scarce and credit is tight. And many analysts predict home prices are likely to drop again in the fall.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 10:18:56

Chart: NAHB/Wells Fargo HMI and Single-Family Housing Starts

This chart shows the HMI and SF Housing starts in a graph.
8/16/2010

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 10:35:21

Anyone keeping an index on Government manipulation/misinformation? I am certain that it has got to be at an all-time-high.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 10:20:49

How low can it go?

Bond Report

Aug. 16, 2010, 11:44 a.m. EDT
Treasurys gain ground after weak U.S. data
Investors look towards Fed buying starting this week

By Deborah Levine, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Treasury prices advanced on Monday, pushing 10-year yields to the lowest since March 2009, after reports on manufacturing in the New York region, U.S. home-builder confidence and Japan’s growth fueled worries over the global economy and had investors buying assets perceived as safer.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 12:52:45

The thing I always wonder about at times like this:

Did the Fed intend to spark a flight to quality move into bonds, or did they simply lose control of their message?

 
 
Comment by Flipper
2010-08-16 10:53:28

Anyone (In Colorado?) have any insight into the housing market in the Denver metro area? Specifically Highlands Ranch? Are there a lot of foreclosures/distressed owners (and hence more price drops ahead)?

Also, any thoughts on the public school cuts and funding situation with Douglas County Schools?

Thanks in advance for the input!

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 13:53:09

Not sure about the foreclosure scenario in Douglas County. Colorado public schools are some of the lowest funded per capita in the nation. IIRC the school district in that neck of the woods is charging students to ride the bus (50 cents per ride).

 
Comment by ragerunner
2010-08-16 14:01:03

Douglas County is seeing foreclosure filling rates that are about equal to last year. The two big differences is the amount of homes that are going all the way through the foreclosure process has increase by about 40%+ and the value of the average home going into foreclosure is up significantly. Highland Ranch, Castle Rock and Parker have been at the foreclosure dinner table for some time. But, Lone Tree is now joining the party.

Builders are putting a lot of pressure on prices at this time. You can now purchase a new 3/2 with a basement for $180,000 in many parts of the county (Castle Rock and Parker).

Schools.
Like most part of the country schools are hurting. They even starting charging for students to use the bus this year. $1 a day per student.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-16 10:56:51

Previously:

Islam is the second-largest religion in the world and arguably the fastest growing religion in the world.

With about 1.57 billion Muslims comprising about 23% of the world’s population

America has an immigration quota:

An annual limitation of 300,000 visas was established for immigrants, including 170,000 from Eastern Hemisphere countries, with no more than 20,000 per country. By 1968, the annual limitation from the Western Hemisphere was set at 120,000 immigrants, with visas available on a first-come, first-served basis. However, the number of family reunification visas was unlimited. While as of 2010 there are no quotas for immigrant spouses of US citizens, quotas for other types of relatives of US citizens have since been instituted

No worries,…it’ll take awhile to dilute 310 million Americans from looking like the rest of the outside world.

minus this group in roughly 25 years:
65 years and over: 12.8%
(male 16,901,232/female 22,571,696)

multiply this group during that time:
In 2009, 40% of births were to unmarried women

maintain this number for everyone with MS-MA-PHD’s/MBA’s:
2.05 children born/woman

By 2035, I’m thinkin’ visiting the swap-meet in Wichita, Kansas is gonna feel different than 2010 :-)

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 11:01:29

New comedy routine by Jeff Houseworthy.

You may be underwater….

If you pay more in mortgage than your neighbor rents his house for…. you may be underwater.

If your realtor promised you the house would double in five years…. you may be underwater.

If you’re afraid to open Zillow.com in your browser…. you may be underwater.

If you believed refinancing to take that dream vacation was a good idea…. you may be underwater.

And finally… if Suzanne researched it…. you are DEFINITELY underwater.

Comment by leosdad
2010-08-16 16:08:40

from this blog in July 2007:

You Know You’re Subprime When?

“‘You spend your closing cost money on a motorcycle 2 days before closing. Happened last fall.’”

“‘You are adding your boarder’s kid’s SSI to the ‘household’ income’”

“‘You are cashing out your equity to go on vacation. Again.’”

One posted, “My favorite so far: your FICO score and total assets are the same number.”

Another liked, “You use ‘there’ for ‘of them,’ and ‘intrest’ for ‘interest.’”

“‘The borrowers’ ‘household income’ incorporates more than 3 individual incomes.’”

“‘The interest rate on the refi is higher than the rate on the existing loan.”

One found this, “Your borrower goes to grab a McD’s meal for the signing, and can’t get it with the first credit card they try.’”

“You knew you were upside down on the first house you bought, so you bought a couple more, just to be sure.”

” From the thread: “You know you have a subprime loan if… Your borrower wants to quit claim his 98 year-old mother-in-law to the property so she can be a co-signer.(happened).’”

“‘Your borrower walks in to your office in his Waffle House uniform and wants a stated income loan.’”

“‘Your borrower asks you if he can (personally) borrow the appraisal money. (HAPPENED!)’”

“‘You pull the borrower’s credit and instead of giving you a report it returns the message ‘Please retain applicant - Law enforcement dispatched’ (No that didn’t really happen but it’s darn funny.)”

“‘When you ask your borrower for his last 2 tax returns he gives you 2001 and 2004 (because he ain’t filed the rest yet).(HAPPENED!)’”

“‘When your borrower calls and asks you to bail him from his foreclosure, but when you pull public records, the house was titled to the bank 6 weeks ago (happened).’”

“‘You know you are a subprime borrower when: You boast of all the miles you’ll get on your creditcard by paying your mortgage with plastic.’”

Another posted, “‘You know you’re a subprime borrower when you think assets are something to be viewed on web porn sites.’”

“‘You know you are a subprime borrower when: The loan officer asks you about your liquid assests on the application and he says, I have 2 6-pack’s of Budweiser in my fridge!’”

You know you are subprime when the police show up at your house and you say, “No really officer, I was just try to help that sheep over the fence.”

You offer your favorite shotgun as part of the down.

You claimed your mortgage broker as a dependent on your last tax
return.

The bank wont let you borrow a pen to fill out the new loan.

The lender offers you cologne at the closing.

when your next home is a 68 buick

no too nice… try a 1980 k-car, or a 1985 corolla

You’re subprime when you vote for a candidate who promises a bail-out.

if FHA doesn’t even want you .

You got to be subprime if you went to a seminar to get a free meal and ended up with a condo in Florida .

You got to be a subprime borrower if you take the big screen TV from the builder, but never move in .

You got a be a subprime borrower if your realtor ,lender ,and appraiser is your stepbrother .

You got to know your a subprime borrower if your lawn is as brown as your house .

Who dose hold MBS? Pension funds? Hedge funds? Chinese Gov.? Saudi? Who wil eventually lose their money?

You know you are a subprime borrower when:

On a refinance when asking about the rate on your “Stated” appraisal program.

when you finally sell your house for what you paid. that’s kismet!

When your loan officer sitting across the table from us at signing says, “don’t worry, we can refinance you again.”

When you call on the job reference for the investment firm where they make $22k a month and it turns out to be a new age bookstore. (That’s true. I went in and asked the owner if she had any books on magic. / Sure, what do you need. / I need a book that can teach me how to make a bookstore into an investment bank)

When you smugly ignore any advice to the contrary and go and buy a house at age 25 because rent is just ‘throwing your money away’

You have bought 2 houses, three new cars, take expensive vacations, trips to LV and sent your kid to college but embezzle over $100K from your employer to do so! When you get caught you think that your employer shouldn’t fire you and you shouldn’t go to jail and that you should be able to get a company retirement. Yep, life in the real world.

- You believe debt is wealth! And boy, are you wealthy!

- When your dog gets a refinance offer in the mail, you take it since the dog has a better credit score than you.

- Although you’re losing money on each “investment” house, you make up for it in quantity.

- You make the mistake of laughing about your intended mortgage fraud when you finish up with the stated-income loan, the cash-back offers at closing, and so on. Real pros don’t make their fraud so obvious!

- You can buy a house, but your credit is so lousy you can’t buy any furniture for it.

- You really do believe “subprime is contained!”

‘You can buy a house, but your credit is so lousy you can’t buy any furniture for it.’

Your kids have sewn up all the yard care business in the new neighborhood…. which unfortunately is only your house, because no one else lives there.

The neighbors tell you they’ll be out of town for a few weeks, and you hook your 10 foot garden hose up to their faucet and run it into your shower…..and sadly, it’s not even a stretch for the hose.

The lender is asking for a second appraisal ….. on your baseball card collection.

you know you’re subprime when you’re out of a job!

You Know You are Subprime When…all you need is a 5 point increase to your FICO score to be considered Alt-A.

…when the realtor lends you money to deposit in your bank account before filing the application (HAPPENED!)

When your own kids tag the outside of the house when you move in.

You spent your closing cost money on new teeth for uncle earl.

…when you HAVE TO buy a house because you can’t qualify (income, fico, references) to RENT anything.

… you brag about the $500K “steal” you got in Compton.

You offer your lender a dime bag as gratuity.

…you are going to vegas every other week, trying to make the mortgage.

You have to give your sad story to the newspaper through an interpreter.

You say they should never have given you the loan in the first place.

You have a $700,000 house and pick fruit for a living. (What? It happened, remember?)

You got your mortgage from a company because you liked the little dancing guys and gals boogeying on your computer screen.

You know that you are subprime when you attempt to sell your blood and they reject you as a Turnip.

When you rent out the house to a bunch of lowlifes who terrorize the neighbors to the point that they get restraining orders, have the tenants shred the interior, then throw an “eviction party” to get rid of anything that’s left before the sheriff comes. (Happened)

When you take your tenants’ rent payments for a few months during the foreclosure process, don’t tell them about the foreclosure and abscond with the money and their security deposit. (Happened many times recently)

When you visit mom and dad’s, take a casual stroll past your old room and start thinking that their basement might not be so bad after all.

When you start railing and cursing about “the Man” coming to take “your house” which you bought six months ago and have yet to make a single payment for. (Happened)

Your mortgage company is featured on the Implode-O-Meter (which now stands at 99).

Your entire extended family pools their income to qualify

Happened to the buyer of my house. Loans docs went from 3 people to 6 people to close the deal.

… When your loan comes with rust-proofing.

… When your neighbor’s dog dies from malaria due to all of the mosquitoes in your decrepit pool.

… If your mortgage broker is 25 and drives a Hummer

… If you used a HELOC to pay down your credit cards which you use to pay your mortgage.

When you’ve never heard of Ben’s blog.

When your former home was a 68 Buick.

When the bank calls to verify your employment status a week after you move into your new house. (happened to an old boss.)

You know that you are subprime when
- you brag on how many times you refi’d your house.
- you believe teaser rates last forever
- you think personal savings is the remaining balance of your credit cards.
- you’ve been had.

You know that you are subprime when you’ve never heard of the term ‘exploding arm’.

..when your agent says he can get you a subprime and you tell him to hold the mayo.

you know you are when your loan was turned down by Ameriquest

When your monthly mortgage payment exceeds your monthly income.

When your tale of woe becomes a hit on The Housing Bubble Blog.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-08-16 11:23:56

If you turned down a 90%-of-asking offer on your house because you’re waiting for “The Right Buyer”… you may be underwater.

Comment by Kim
2010-08-16 11:26:20

If you’re still feeding the squirrels because of a promise to your house’s previous owner… you may be underwater.

Boy, this is fun!

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 11:29:36

If you have ever watch HGTV (especially in HD)…. you may be underwater.

Comment by Kim
2010-08-16 12:46:45

If you watch “Real Estate Intervention” expecting the sellers to get an offer above list… you may be underwater.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 11:45:52

NEW YORK — Lowe’s Cos missed quarterly profit and sales estimates as benefits from the home-buyer tax credit and cash for appliances programs waned, and the retailer warned of uncertain demand.

The second-largest home improvement chain after Home Depot also forecast current-quarter profit of 28 cents to 32 cents a share, while analysts were expecting 31 cents.

Sales at Lowe’s and Home Depot had benefited immensely in the first quarter, which ended in April. Many who put off renovations during the recession upgraded appliances to take advantage of a federal stimulus for energy-efficient goods, while others tried to take advantage of the first-time home-buyer tax credit.

Net income at Lowe’s rose to $832 million, or 58 cents a share, in the second quarter ended July 30 from $759 million, or 51 cents a share, a year earlier.

Analysts on average were expecting 59 cents a share, according to Thomson Reuters I/B/E/S.

Sales rose 3.8 percent to $14.36 billion, but missed the average estimate of $14.52 billion.

Lowe’s said it expected a sales increase of 3 percent to 5 percent in the third quarter.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-16 12:18:36

Anything look familiar? (7-10 year treasury index)

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 14:41:49

OK, please fill in the clueless (like me) on what you think matters in that graph…

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 15:31:54

The last ‘peak’ was around the market crash, right?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-08-16 16:40:43

Yeah, led it by about two and a half months. DEC 2008 - MAR 2009

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 18:43:58

You guys suggesting “This sucker’s going down” again?

I’ll believe it when I see it; today should have been a down day, based on the dismal home builders’ sentiment index release, but something helps the market stay up on worse-than-expected news (could it be stock market Viagra?)…

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-08-16 19:48:45

OK, please fill in the clueless (like me) on what you think matters in that graph…

Multiple references really.

First off - just noting that there’s an obvious bubble there, especially given:
- The supposed safety (and therefore normally low volatility) of the underlying asset.
- The great current perception of the lack of safety of the underlying asset.

In other words - Why The F would people be flocking to something that has such horrendous yields, and yet is also seen as being increasingly risk?

Second - note the timing of the two recent spikes relative to the stock market.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 12:26:49

Fed says loan standards eased ~ August 16, 2010

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Federal Reserve said on Monday bank lending standards eased somewhat over the last three months while demand for business and consumer loans was largely unchanged.

In its quarterly Senior Loan Officer Survey, taken in July, the Fed found that tight lending conditions, which some economists have linked to the weak economic recovery, were starting to ease.

But that was mostly the case at bigger financial institutions, while smaller banks continued to struggle.

With benchmark interest rates already effectively at zero, the Fed last week took steps to ease monetary conditions further, announcing it would begin buying Treasury bonds with the proceeds from maturing mortgage debt in its portfolio.

The measure was aimed at spurring new lending at a time when economists are worried about the softening pace of the U.S. economic recovery.

A special question added to the July survey found some reticence to lend to European banks during months that saw heightened concern about those institutions amid mounting indebtedness in countries like Greece and Spain.

The Fed’s survey found looser lending conditions for most types of commercial and industrial loans.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 12:45:44

Gallup: 18% unemployed or underemployed
Phoenix Business Journal

More than 18 percent of U.S. workers say they are either unemployed or underemployed, according to a Gallup Organization survey.

The running survey of U.S. workers shows 81.5 percent of them have jobs, but the national unemployed/underemployed number has been between the high-teens and 20 percent throughout the year. Gallup surveys 19,800 American workers each month.

The U.S. unemployment rate stands at 9.5 percent, according to July numbers from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Arizona’s unemployment rate is 9.6 percent, according to June figures from the Arizona Department of Commerce. Underemployment also is an issue in Arizona as many laid-off workers turn to part-time service and retail jobs while they look for full-time jobs.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-16 13:54:53

They should just go out and buy imported goods at WalMart and load them into their imported car. That’ll jumpstart the economy.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 12:48:44

Owner of Super Fresh to shutter stores.

The owner of Super Fresh said that is closing 25 stores in five states as it tries to revive the company.

The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company Inc. said it would close stores that are located close to each other or have expensive real estate or other cost issues. They will also shutter under-performing stores.

The company expects to close the stores by its fiscal third quarter.

The closures are “absolutely necessary to strengthen A&P’s operating foundation and improve our performance going forward,” president and CEO Sam Martin said.

A&P operates 429 stores in eight states and the District of Columbia. Its brands include A&P, Waldbaum’s, Pathmark, Pathmark Sav-a-Center, Best Cellars, The Food Emporium, Super Food-mart, Super Fresh and Food Basics.

“Currently we are not releasing the store list. The impacted stores include those across our A&P, Waldbaum’s, Pathmark, SuperFresh and Super Food mart banners located in five states - CT, MD, NJ, NY and PA.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 13:23:20

DeKalb throws the book at author/educators selling their stuff to the school system.

The AJC is reporting today that DeKalb County is firing two principals and demoting two other officials after an internal investigation found school funds were used to purchase thousands of dollars worth of books that school administrators had written.

I am delighted to point out the the investigation into the book sales followed an investigation by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

I think the public is getting fed up with schools asking for money while at the same time doing very little to ensure that money is well spent. I also question how DeKalb could allow such purchases with no oversight.

Every year, thousands of educators publish books. Thousands more would publish books if assured they could sell hundreds of copies to their own school systems.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 13:26:49

Paul Craig Roberts~Infowars.com ~August 16, 2010

The United States is running out of time to get its budget and trade deficits under control. Despite the urgency of the situation, 2010 has been wasted in hype about a non-existent recovery. As recently as August 2 Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner penned a New York Times column, “Welcome to the Recovery.”

As John Williams (shadowstats.com) has made clear on many occasions, an appearance of recovery was created by over-counting employment and undercounting inflation. Warnings by Williams, Gerald Celente, and myself have gone unheeded, but our warnings recently had echoes from Boston University professor Laurence Kotlikoff and from David Stockman, who excoriated the Republican Party for becoming big-spending Democrats.

It is encouraging to see some realization that, this time, Washington cannot spend the economy out of recession. The deficits are already too large for the dollar to survive as reserve currency, and deficit spending cannot put Americans back to work in jobs that have been moved offshore.

However, the solutions offered by those who are beginning to recognize that there is a problem are discouraging. Kotlikoff thinks the solution is savage Social Security and Medicare cuts or equally savage tax increases or hyperinflation to destroy the vast debts.

Perhaps economists lack imagination, or perhaps they don’t want to be cut off from Wall Street and corporate subsidies, but Social Security and Medicare are insufficient at their present levels, especially considering the erosion of private pensions by the dot com, derivative and real estate bubbles. Cuts in Social Security and Medicare, for which people have paid 15 per cent of their earnings all their lives, would result in starvation and deaths from curable diseases.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 15:10:51

Paul Craig Roberts~Infowars.com ~August 16, 2010

Thank you Wmbz. From the same article here’s PCR’s solutions”

Panic will be the order of the day.

Will farms will be raided? Will those trapped in cities resort to riots and looting?

Is this the likely future that “our” government and “our patriotic” corporations have created for us?

Here is what can be done. The wars, which benefit no one but the military-security complex and Israel’s territorial expansion, can be immediately ended. This would reduce the US budget deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars per year. More hundreds of billions of dollars could be saved by cutting the rest of the military budget which, in its present size, exceeds the budgets of all the serious military powers on earth combined.

US military spending reflects the unaffordable and unattainable crazed neoconservative goal of US Empire and world hegemony. What fool in Washington thinks that China is going to finance US hegemony over China?

The only way that the US will again have an economy is by bringing back the offshored jobs. The loss of these jobs impoverished Americans while producing oversized gains for Wall Street, shareholders, and corporate executives. These jobs can be brought home where they belong by taxing corporations according to where value is added to their product. If value is added to their goods and services in China, corporations would have a high tax rate. If value is added to their goods and services in the US, corporations would have a low tax rate.

This change in corporate taxation would offset the cheap foreign labor that has sucked jobs out of America, and it would rebuild the ladders of upward mobility that made America an opportunity society.

If the wars are not immediately stopped and the jobs brought back to America, the US is relegated to the trash bin of history.

Obviously, the corporations and Wall Street would use their financial power and campaign contributions to block any legislation that would reduce short-term earnings and bonuses by bringing jobs back to America. Americans have no greater enemies than Wall Street and the corporations and their prostitutes in Congress and the White House.

 
Comment by Red Beach
2010-08-16 19:02:14

No offense WMBZ, infowars is reeduckerous. These are “FEMA Camp Railcar” guys always issuing “warnings.”

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 19:10:06

No offense WMBZ, infowars is reeduckerous.

But that Paul Craig Roberts article was on about 40 websites, not just infowars.

Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939, in Atlanta, Georgia) is an economist and a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of Reaganomics.”[1] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. Roberts has been a critic of both Democratic and Republican administrations.

Comment by Red Beach
2010-08-16 19:19:13

Fine. We’re all going to starve to death.

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Comment by packman
2010-08-16 19:54:47

Seems to me that you’re the one getting all hyperbolic here, Red.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-16 20:12:06

Co-founder of Reaganomics? Gonnnggg!!!

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-16 20:50:47

Co-founder of Reaganomics? Gonnnggg!!!

lol

I know. But he changed, as did David Stockman. That’s why their writings should be of note.

At the time, they did not perceive the hounds of hell which had been unleashed.

Four Deformations of the Apocalypse
By DAVID STOCKMAN

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01stockman.html

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 13:30:45

The wimp, whispering Harry Reid sez…

Reid: Build mosque elsewhere (AP)

WASHINGTON — The Senate’s top Democrat says a mosque should not be built near the site of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada on Monday became the highest profile Democrat to break with President Barack Obama, who on Friday backed the right for the developers to build a mosque near ground zero.

In a statement, Reid said the first amendment protects freedom of religion and he respects that, but the mosque should be built somewhere else.

Critics have said the location of the mosque is insensitive because the terrorists who struck were Islamic extremists.

Reid is in a tight campaign for re-election in Nevada. His opponent, Republican Sharron Angle, earlier in the day called for Reid to say whether he agreed with Obama.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 13:39:36

Fortress Takeover of AIG Lender Costs Bondholders $792 Million
Aug 16, 2010

American General Finance Inc. debt has lost at least $792 million since Fortress Investment Group LLC agreed to buy the lender last week, punishing bondholders from Loomis Sayles & Co. to Pacific Investment Management Co.

Fortress’s purchase is sparking concern that the buyout and hedge-fund firm will seek to swap or repurchase bonds at discounted prices to trim $17 billion of American General’s debt, according to analysts and investors. That’s reversing a June rally fueled by expectations that parent American International Group Inc. would sell the unit to a bank with top credit ratings.

“The loss of a traditional investment-grade buyer is key to the selloff,” said James Palmisciano, chief investment officer at New York-based Gracie Credit Opportunities Fund LP, who said he’s been avoiding the debt. Fortress “management is smart, savvy and opportunistic, and will probably only repurchase debt when it makes sense — at larger discounts than here.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-16 13:42:11

Cotton Tests 1995 Peak as Supply Drops, Levi’s Raises Prices
Aug 15, 2010 ~ Bloomberg

Production by the world’s cotton farmers will fail to keep up with demand for a fifth straight year.

Cotton may climb to the highest price since 1995 as rising demand in emerging markets for everything from shirts to bed sheets forces textile makers to restock inventories that are the tightest in 13 years.

Export sales by the U.S., the largest shipper, are off to their fastest start since 1993 as apparel demand in China, the biggest consumer, increased 24 percent, government data show. Cotton may advance 13 percent to a 15-year high of 94.9 cents a pound before new supplies are harvested in October, according to 17 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg on Aug. 12 and Aug. 13.

The commodity is projected to extend its gains because demand is growing in Asia’s developing nations, even as signs emerge that the U.S. economic recovery may slow. While the rally is enriching some cotton investors, it’s also boosting costs for Levi Strauss & Co. and Hanesbrands Inc., the maker of Hanes underwear and the Wonderbra. The last time cotton traded above 90 cents a pound, in 2008, some merchants including Paul Reinhart Inc. were forced into bankruptcy.

“Global consumption is exploding,” said Ron Lawson, a managing director at Logic Advisors, a commodity consultant in Sonoma, California. “We just can’t get enough cotton in place to meet the growing demand.”

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-16 14:38:45

They should give her 10 years and let her see how funny her joke was. I have no patience for people that screw with kids.

Mom arrested for posting Facebook picture of baby with bong

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/mom-arrested-for-posting-facebook-picture-of-baby-861714.html - - Cached - Similar pages

WFTV
Posted: 8:57 a.m. Monday, Aug. 16, 2010

KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, Fla. — The picture of a Florida baby with a bong has now led to the mom’s arrest.

Rachel Stieringer, 19, is facing one count of possession of drug paraphernalia, a first-degree misdemeanor.

The Keystone Heights mother posted a picture on her Facebook page of her baby with a bong. She said it was just a joke.

DCF gave the infant a drug test and it came back negative. Prosecutors said they could not charge her with child abuse, because her son wasn’t exposed to any drugs.

The grandparents are now caring for the child

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 15:13:58

Mom arrested for posting Facebook picture of baby with bong

What is it about Facebook that causes people to do such stupid things? Do they think that no one will see what they post?

 
Comment by SeattleRenter
2010-08-16 15:18:57

Oh big deal.

Why don’t you climb down off your moral high horse and get alittle perspective. Would we be up in arms about a picture of a baby holding an unopened beer can?

Of all the things you can get your panties in a bunch about, a plant that in 3000+ years of recorded use has never had a single overdose shouldn’t be one of them.

Lighten up Francis.

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-16 16:47:30

“Why don’t you climb down off your moral high horse and get alittle perspective.”

You know any children that have been abused? I do, and big surprise they came from parents who did idiot things like this. You want to smoke pot, drink beer or take drugs and not drive, great I have no problem with that, did it myself for years. No kids involved though. Hey, Casey Anthony was a fun party mom right. I`ll leave you with one more headline from today.

Bodies of 2 toddlers found in car in SC river
By SEANNA ADCOX, AP
28 minutes ago

Monday, Aug 16,
ORANGEBURG, S.C. — After the bodies of two toddlers were pulled Monday from a car submerged in a South Carolina river, their mother was arrested and authorities were investigating how it happened — and whether it was an accident.

 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-16 15:36:45

My dad has pictures of me at several months old with a beer bottle.

In fact, I have pictures of MY baby at about 6 months old holding a beer bottle.

It’s only because the terrible evil society destroying illegal drug was used as a prop, instead of a the terrible evil society destroying legal drug. Of course, people would have been incensed if it had been a cigarette, but she probably would have gotten a pass with a cigar.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-08-16 17:46:22

You really are a drama queen.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 15:18:51

And, to put things in perspective, the air is starting come out of other bubbles:

Medical Care Prices Fall

The High Price of Higher Education Continues to be Questioned

Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-16 16:31:05

Education and health care are considered necessities, so the government decided to subsidize them to provide equal access.

So the private sector providers raised prices, raised their pay, and then said they needed more. Just like the public employee unions.

The government might start saying to if the Republicans stop pandering. No to the private sector providers, that is, not the public sector unions.

 
Comment by pmseatac
2010-08-16 17:14:51

I paid my way through college in the early 70s. I went through several low level jobs ( keypunch operator, electronics assembler, etc. ), lived in a seedy apartment, drove a clapped out car, and had no free time between studying and working. But I had a good time and afterward I had no debt. The tuition was within my slender means. As far as I know there were no loans available for tuition at the time. I think this kept the cost of education low.

 
Comment by TCM_guy
2010-08-17 04:20:46

I once complained about the steady, yearly raise in tuition (mid to high single digits every year) of the KY state U’s to a State U professor. Her SCREAMING reaction?

“WHO SAYS A HIGHER EDUCATION HAS TO BE CHEAP?!?”

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-08-16 15:38:36

In the interest of stimulating the economy, I think Obama should consent to briefly permit someone to stand in front of him naked, ideally an FB with a large mortgage and credit card debt. Just think of the tax revenue the “winner” will generate!

‘Face Obama Naked’ Dare Now Worth $1 Million

A billionaire who last week launched a dare for people to stand naked in front of US President Barack Obama has just raised the stakes for the prank to $1 million from a previous $100,000.

Billionaire Alki David, who comes in at number 45 of the Sunday Times’ rich list in the UK, promised the money to whoever manages to get naked in front of President Barack Obama with “Battlecam” written on their chest while shouting “Battlecam.”

finance yahoo com/news/Face-Obama-Naked-Dare-Now-cnbc-3259419195.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-16 16:02:49

TTT should do it to pay off his mcmansion.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-16 16:25:20

Hey, I’m a gal, and I’m supposed to be interested in seeing stuff like, well, TTT in his birthday suit. But TTT? No thanks.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 18:40:00

“I’m a gal,…”

Now that caught me off guard. You blog like a fella (sorry for the sexism — no offense intended).

P.S. When I was a kid taking violin lessons, my (female) teacher passed on the story about how her teacher told her not to “play like a girl.” Kinda funny, given that the violin is stigmatized in America as a feminine instrument (Mark O’Connor plays the fiddle, not the violin).

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Comment by packman
2010-08-16 20:03:45

Now that caught me off guard.

After your “wives” comment above - make that two of us. :)

(Though I knew AS was a gal - can’t believe you didn’t actually.)

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-08-16 23:22:21

Yeah, GS/PB/et al, thinking Slim a male is so 2006…. ;-)

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-17 06:51:41

YA KNOW if you click on peoples handles once in a while you might find some interesting little tidbits

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 16:13:00

The Financial Times
Government-sponsored mess
Published: August 16 2010 22:18 | Last updated: August 16 2010 22:18

When the delegates gather on Tuesday at the US government’s conference on the future of housing finance, they must ponder this perverse fact: a political desire to make housing affordable is incarnated in policies and institutions that have made it politically and economically imperative to keep house prices high and rising.

The two government-sponsored enterprises for housing finance, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, hold or guarantee mortgages worth $5,400bn between them. With securitisation markets in a vegetative state, this dominance has only increased since they were put into conservatorship two years ago. Almost no new mortgage is being issued or securitised except through the conduit provided by the GSEs’ balance sheets.

Having helped create the mess we are in, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac now stand in the way of solving it. Any fundamental redemption of the GSEs’ original sins – such as making clear that the taxpayer will not be on the hook for their losses – would send real estate and mortgage-backed securities into a tailspin. This is something the US is still not in a position to bear.

Without a system of mortgage renegotiations that actually works, a tidal wave of foreclosures would destroy economic value. Until procedures for letting systemic institutions fail are put in place, cramming down mortgage assets would pull the rug away from under a barely recovering banking system.

The answer is not a return to the status quo ante. A good start would be honest accounting. If the cost of subsidising homeowners well into the middle class was more widely known, more narrowly targeted policies might start to look politically feasible. By then, the ground must be prepared for tackling the inevitable – and desirable – result of proper reform: house price falls.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 16:24:14

“…they must ponder this perverse fact: a political desire to make housing affordable is incarnated in policies and institutions that have made it politically and economically imperative to keep house prices high and rising.”

The perverse fact which must not be expressed…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-16 16:23:14

“That explains why virtually all American mortgages being issued today are by US government agencies or sponsored entities, up from a third before the crisis.”

Not quite. Before there were 4.5 percent mortgages, there were unprecedented Fed purchases of MBS. Private lenders have been deliberately crowded out of the mortgage lending arena by this policy, and nobody with an MSM bully pulpit gets it.

The Financial Times
US Housing
Published: August 16 2010 09:43 | Last updated: August 16 2010 21:11

Would you extend an American homebuyer a loan for 30 years for a measly 4.5 per cent that they can repay if rates continue to drop or default on with little consequence if the value of the collateral falls too far? Neither would we.

That explains why virtually all American mortgages being issued today are by US government agencies or sponsored entities, up from a third before the crisis. Although federal assistance to plug losses for GSEs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is projected to reach $400bn over a decade by the Congressional Budget Office – almost four times the net cost of rescuing private banks – they remain in a state of regulatory limbo.

Today’s Housing Summit, hosted by Barack Obama, the president, ostensibly seeks to address that. But the issue is too sensitive and midterm elections too near to expect much.

EDITOR’S CHOICE
In depth: Freddie and Fannie - Aug-16
US builder slump deepens in August - Aug-16
Overhaul of US mortgage lending - Aug-16
US borrowers pay down mortgages - Jul-28
Hard-hit Florida waits for house price recovery - Aug-15

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-16 23:53:57

Step 1 to fixing the housing market: END HUD’S AFFORDABLE HOUSING MANDATES

* OPINION
* AUGUST 17, 2010

The Future of Housing Finance

We’ll never get a rational mortgage system until the government’s affordable housing mandates are ended.

By EDWARD PINTO

Today the Obama administration will begin a discussion on how to overhaul our nationalized housing finance system. Moderated by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Shaun Donovan, secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), the “Conference on the Future of Housing Finance” seeks answers to what went wrong in the U.S. housing market. This promises to be the next big domestic policy debate—one that could mold housing finance for a generation or more. But the early signs of where policy makers might be headed are not promising.

A consensus is building around a three-part grand bargain:

• An explicit federal guarantee of a large portion of the mortgage-backed securities created to finance American’s home mortgages;

• A tax on these securities to fund low-income housing initiatives; and

• A requirement that issuers of securities meet affordable housing mandates.

This is a dead end for two reasons. First, while supporters of an explicit federal guarantee tell us it will never be called upon, Americans have read this book before and know how it ends.

The second is much less well known but equally deadly: the central role in the recent real estate collapse that was played by the federal affordable housing policy created by Congress and implemented since the 1990s by HUD and banking regulators.

In 1991, the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs was advised by community groups such as Acorn that “Lenders will respond to the most conservative standards unless [Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac] are aggressive and convincing in their efforts to expand historically narrow underwriting.”

Congress made this advice the law of the land when it passed the inaptly named Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 (GSE Act of 1992). This law imposed affordable housing mandates on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Thus, beginning in 1993, regulators started to abandon the common sense underwriting principles of adequate down payments, good credit, and an ability to handle the mortgage debt. Substituted were liberalized lending standards that led to an unprecedented number of no down payment, minimal down payment and other weak loans, and a housing finance system ill-prepared to absorb the shock of declining prices.

In 1995, HUD announced a National Homeownership Strategy built upon the liberalization of underwriting standards nationally. It entered into a partnership with most of the private mortgage industry, announcing that “Lending institutions, secondary market investors, mortgage insurers, and other members of the partnership [including Countrywide] should work collaboratively to reduce homebuyer downpayment requirements.”

The upshot? In 1990, one in 200 home purchase loans (all government insured) had a down payment of less than or equal to 3%. By 2006 an estimated 30% of all home buyers put no money down.

[T]he financial crisis was triggered by a reckless departure from tried and true, common-sense loan underwriting practices,” Sheila Bair, chair of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, noted this June. One needs to look no further than HUD’s affordable housing policies for the source of this “reckless departure.” If the mortgage finance industry hadn’t been forced to abandon traditional underwriting standards on behalf of an affordable housing policy, the mortgage meltdown and taxpayer bailouts would not have occurred.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-08-17 01:07:04

” If the mortgage finance industry hadn’t been forced to abandon traditional underwriting standards on behalf of an affordable housing policy, the mortgage meltdown and taxpayer bailouts would not have occurred.”

This is the big lie, told over and over.

Policies to encourage affordable housing went back decades. The loosening (abandonment) of lending standards was not done until it was convenient and profitable for the lending industry to do so, so as to make as many loans as possible that could then be packaged together in the form of mortgage backed securities to be sold to investors.

 
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