August 17, 2010

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 00:41:50

DON’T BUY YET! Bear in mind that housing demand in 2009 was underpinned by the Fed’s MBS purchase program and the $8K first-time buyer credit.

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* August 16, 2010, 12:10 AM ET

Redfin: Less Than Half of All Home-Sale Attempts Successful in ‘09

By Nick Timiraos

A survey of seven major housing markets found that less than half of all attempts to sell a home in 2009 had, as of last Wednesday, resulted in a sale.

The analysis, conducted by Redfin Corp., a Seattle-based brokerage that operates in nine states, shows just how tough the housing market has become–and just how many sellers are unwilling to lower their prices.

The survey looked at how the 500,000 homes that were listed for sale last year in seven of the nation’s biggest counties had fared. Around 47% of those listings had sold by last week, while just 4% of those listings were still active. The success rate looks at the number of listings that sold through the original listing agent; if someone hired an agent, and then changed agents, the home is added again to the count of new listings.

“There’s just such a standoff in the market between sellers and buyers, both with unrealistic expectations, and a lot of heartbreak and wasted effort,” said Glenn Kelman, Redfin’s chief executive. He said that buyers’ complaints of overpriced or stale listings had prompted the number crunching, which looked at properties in the counties that include Chicago, Atlanta, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Phoenix and Boston.

Of those counties, Phoenix’s Maricopa County and San Francisco County had the highest share of listings that sold, at 59% and 57%, respectively. Chicago’s Cook County had just one-third of all homes listed during 2009 sell by mid-August.

Seller Stand-Off: A Look at Redfin’s Data

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 06:30:37

“There’s just such a standoff in the market between sellers and buyers, both with unrealistic expectations, and a lot of heartbreak and wasted effort,”

Mr. Unrealistic Seller, could you please sit down for a moment and make yourself comfortable? I’d like to explain to you the impact a reinstatement of prudential mortgage lending standards overlaid on an effective eighteen percent unemployment rate has on Mr. Unrealistic Buyer’s willingness and ability to pay your wishing price.

Comment by polly
2010-08-17 07:59:44

And when we are done with that, I would like to explain further, the impact on prudential lending standards that might evolve from the current political climate which seems to favor moving toward a mortgage market in which new money will be backed with private money rather than public money. As a side note, we will also discuss how banks that claim to earn their money by putting their own capital at risk, completely forgot the meaning of the following words: capital, risk and own.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 08:16:51

“…capital, risk and own.”

None of that is necessary once a firm achieves too-big-to-fail status…

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Comment by Kim
2010-08-17 09:07:55

While we’re chatting, Mr. Unrealistic Seller, let’s quickly mention the potential demographic implications of the baby boomers downsizing their lifestyle as they head into retirement en masse.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 09:45:54

And, even if we’re not planning to retire, we’re downsizing anyway. Not just houses, but our stock of possessions. It’s called “shedding stuff.”

 
 
 
Comment by JohnF
2010-08-17 11:07:58

I’d like to explain to you the impact a reinstatement of prudential mortgage lending standards…..

Sorry, I have to take issue with that statement.

Have you seen what the FHA has been doing lately?!? In SoCal, approximately 40% of the transactions are FHA 3.5% down with DTI’s well above 50% on the back-end.

Hardly “prudential mortgage lending standards” by my definition……

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-17 12:06:53

Well, it’s prudent compared to the -20% down (cash out purchase for ‘renovation’) 100% plus back end DTI undocumented teaser rate exploding arms being offered 3 years ago.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 13:25:22

Thanks for clarifying. Let’s say “relatively more prudential mortgage lending standards than before the bubble popped, though still too loose” then.

 
Comment by oc-ed
2010-08-17 15:02:48

The trend is toward what we here would call “prudential lending standards” despite significant attempts to prop up the bubble prices and thus avoid what the HBB community has been predicting for years as inevitable.

This is like one of those movies that is engaging, but goes on much longer than you anticipate. If you can find entertainment in what you are watching it is ok, if you allow your self to be pressured for an end to it all it gets uncomfortable.

Popcorn, where is that popcorn?

Ed

 
Comment by JohnF
2010-08-17 15:51:56

Gotta disagree again……

The trend is towards more government interference in the mortgage market - which means less prudent underwriting standards (when compared to 20 years ago), not more.

FHA loans were less than 5% of the market 4 years ago - now they are 40% and rising each quarter.

There were hearings today regarding the future of the mortgage market. The consensus was to nationalize Fannie and Freddie with full government guarantees. Between Fannie, Freddie, and Ginnie Mae - the federal government will control (and guarantee!) 95% of the US mortgage market.

With that amount of control, it is only a matter of time that more current home loans in trouble will be “renegotiated” with teaser rates and balloon payments, as many private-label loans have been.

The bottom line is, things got so out of whack that we can never go back to 20% down, 28/36 DTI’s, no more than 3x gross income for a purchase price…..

Why do you think all of this (the government “takeover” of the mortgage business) is happening? It’s not by accident, the government has to do it or risk a further crash in real estate prices - especially in the mid-to-high end areas. That has serious implications for the banks, for Wall Street investment houses, and for the FDIC.

If I were a betting man I would bet on:

- Quantitative Easing v2.0 by the Federal Reserve sometime late this year. By mid-2011 the Fed’s balance sheet will be at least $3.5 to $4.0 Trillion. They will buy all the residential product from the big Three plus a lot of Treasuries

- Another tax credit next year, at least $15,000 this time, to boost sales again

- Direct assistance to banks to either stop foreclosures 9or at least keep the REO from hitting the market) or direct mortgage principal forgiveness to “troubled” borrowers

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 18:45:45

“They will buy all the residential product from the big Three plus a lot of Treasuries”

Dumb questions of the day:

What ‘residential product’?

Which ‘Big Three’?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 20:06:10

JohnF, I couldn’t find any reference to that number of 40%. The closest it came was only 28%, but I couldn’t verify even that,

But if your concern if that FHA loans will present default problems down the road, I’d like to point out that primes and especially the jumbo ones, are currently the leader of defaults.

And people who can afford prime and jumbo don’t get FHA loans.

 
 
 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-08-17 10:32:20

“A survey of seven major housing markets found that less than half of all attempts to sell a home in 2009 had, as of last Wednesday, resulted in a sale.

The analysis, conducted by Redfin Corp., a Seattle-based brokerage that operates in nine states, shows just how tough the housing market has become–and just how many sellers are unwilling to lower their prices.”

Is 5 years, going on 6, a long time for a house to be on the market? I’m familiar with a few of them. They do disappear from the mls from time to time, but they continue to crop up at the same dreamy prices. I have a hard time calling these people sellers.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 13:26:51

You don’t expect them to just give it away, do you?

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-08-17 14:06:44

“Seller Stand-Off: A Look at Redfin’s Data”

Sellers Stand-Off: or.. How to take a Firm Stand in Quicksand.

:)

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 18:49:59

Data Quicksand?

Higher prices + Steep drop in volume = Imminent crash

Published: Aug. 17, 2010
Updated: 1:15 p.m.
Home sales fall throughout region
By JEFF COLLINS
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

Southern California home sellers experienced the biggest annual drop in sales last month in more than two years, due chiefly to the virtual ending of federal tax credits a month earlier, MDA DataQuick reported today.

DataQuick reported that 18,946 housing transactions closed in July. That’s down about 20% both from June and from July 2009.

It was the steepest year-over-year decline in SoCal sales since March 2008. The median home price, meanwhile, dipped from June but was up 10% from a year ago.

In addition, DataQuick reported:

* Last month’s sales decline was three times greater than the typical June-to-July drop (6.7%).
* Last month’s sales total was 27.4% below the July average dating back to 1988.
* Last month was the slowest July since 2007 and the second-slowest since July 1995.
* Sales fell in all six counties in the region, ranging from a 10.5% drop in Ventura County to a 28% drop in San Bernardino County.
* The median home price, or price at the midpoint of all sales, was up in every county but Ventura.

 
 
Comment by Timmy Boy
2010-08-17 15:40:39

“Walmart hopes basics like underwear and socks will bring in financially strapped shoppers. It’s also stocking smaller packages for the days leading up to when customers receive their government assistance checks, and need to stretch their last few dollars.”

SAD. REALLY SAD.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 17:33:45

“A survey of seven major housing markets found that less than half of all attempts to sell a home in 2009 had, as of last Wednesday, resulted in a sale.”

Nonetheless, one of the panelists at the Obama housing summit, Bill Gross, is interested in govt-sponsored actions to make the price of homes increase.

Is it not obvious that home prices are already too high, given that almost nobody is willing and able to buy at current price levels? What am I missing here?

 
2010-08-18 10:58:35

That is certainly not a surprise. Everything is difficult these days and even little things can kill transactions. Our fall out rate is running about 30% and that is after implementing some additional safeguards to redcuce fall out in our office. The biggest killer is still appraisals and the horrendous HVCC has only contributed to the problem.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 00:43:55

David Weidner’s Writing on the Wall

Aug. 17, 2010, 3:30 a.m. EDT
Why Wall Street doesn’t buy the American Dream
Commentary: Government intervention has made private investment a bad bet

By David Weidner, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — What happens when you have 20 years of price appreciation in the housing market in just five years?

Your house goes from personal piggy bank to the pigs at the bank.

That’s the unsavory reality lawmakers and a panel of experts will grapple with Tuesday in a Washington summit to discuss the future of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage lending giants.

A bursting bubble

Adjusted for inflation, the price of the median U.S. home was about $125,000 in 1970 and rose to about $150,000 in 1999. In other words, over 29 years, the price of the median U.S. home rose about 2%, according to date from the National Association of Realtors.

Then, with U.S. interest rates artificially low, the boom in mortgage-backed securities and additional aid from the U.S. government including a generous tax exemption passed under the Clinton administration, housing prices began to sky rocket.
News Hub: Housing ills cloud Fannie-Freddie Summit

Nick Timiraos discusses what to expect at Tuesday’s summit that is planned to address some of the problems at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

By 2002, the median U.S. home cost $175,000. By 2004, it was $225,000. The price peaked in 2006 at more than $250,000.

The fall happened faster. The median U.S. home now sells for just under $175,000.

Though the fall has put today’s housing prices close to the historical norm, prices are roughly 1.5% higher than they should be using trend line of the last 40 years. Moreover, that five-year period of extraordinary price inflation didn’t happen in a vacuum, it coincided with one of the biggest home-buying binges in U.S. history — home ownership jumped 6% in 10 years to 69% at the end of 2005, according to the Census Department.

In other words, millions of Americans are sitting on homes they overpaid for in the bubble. The government is backing most of those mortgages. And even if they’re not underwater — in that owners still have some equity stake — many homeowners are struggling to make their housing payments in a down economy, or at least feeling a lot poorer knowing that their biggest investment was a bust.

Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-17 06:17:05

There’s the reality.

And it isn’t the bust that was the tragedy, for buyers and HELOCkers. It was the bubble that either wiped out their wealth or permanently decreased their spendable income.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-17 07:25:45

The bubble fully created their “wealth”. It was all a dream.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-17 09:10:45

I think he’s referring to those that bought with cash during the bubble (money wiped out) or those that bought and intend to pay off the note (reduced spendable income).

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 10:08:50

The bubble transferred wealth from Main Street households to Wall Street banksters. It was all a nightmare.

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Comment by Jerry
2010-08-17 22:53:51

Unless you saw this for what it was. Sold in July 2005 in hot San Diego market, walked away with $500,000 tax free, down sized,bought beautiful rural house with property in another state with no mortgage. I say this as many did the same and choose not to be a victim.

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Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2010-08-17 11:40:44

“It was the bubble that either wiped out their wealth or permanently decreased their spendable income.”

Why the economy is never going to recover.

 
 
Comment by TCM_guy
2010-08-17 09:16:01

This is an ongoing problem in journalism. Why can’t these people report the numbers correctly?

In 29 years, from 1970 to 1999, the price increased by a factor of 1.20. So the annual increase is not 2%, or anything like 2%. It is 0.631%.

The only way this would work out to 2% per year, ending with $150k in 1999 for 29 years, is if the average price in 1970 was $84.5K.

Using the 40 year trendcurve (because it is not a straight line), starting with $125k in 1970 and a yearly increase of 0.631%, the price in 2010 would be $161k. So the current average price of $175k in 2010 is 8.7% higher, not 1.5% higher. It would then take 13.5 additional years for the 40 year trendcurve to catch up to the current higher price.

But using a 1970 price of $84.5k with an annual increase of 2%, the average house in 2010 would be $187K. So the current average price of $175k in 2010 would be 6.4% below the 40 year trendcurve.

Of course, the fallacy here is that we are comparing apples to oranges. The average house today differs (as in much bigger) from the average house of 40 years ago.

But in qualitative terms, this journalist is getting the message across:

IT WAS A DANG BUBBLE!!!

YOUS GUYS WERE ROBBED!!!

Comment by 9down
2010-08-17 17:38:06

very nice analysis. Thank you.

 
 
Comment by Timmy Boy
2010-08-17 09:54:55

Bankers are now telling the Gubmint that housing MUST continue to be supported by Gubmint guarantees.

Even Madoff knows that you can’t stop the music in the middle of a Ponzi scheme.

The music HAS to keep on playing.. at ever FASTER speeds.. in order to keep the game going.

Sad.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-08-17 12:39:19

The Elfin One (Geithner) is pushing strongly for this under the guise that the economy is dependent upon housing, but what he never cops to is the fact that it’s all in an attempt to make the banks whole. Once they can get out from under all of those bad loans, the taxpayer will be left holding the bag on all the newly purchased homes which go into default after the house of cards collapses, yet again. That’s ok, though, as long as the banks and bankers make out like thieves.

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-08-17 14:21:50

Then there’s the other reality. In some areas, prices never did come back down. I happen to live in one of those areas.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 02:51:49

Treasury Fixing Home-Finance Juggles Bailout, Economy.

(Bloomberg) — Charles Gabriel, managing director of Capital Alpha Partners, talks about tomorrow’s U.S. Treasury Department summit on the mortgage-finance system and the outlook for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The U.S. Treasury Department, hosting a summit tomorrow on how to repair the mortgage-finance system, may get a blunt message from stakeholders in an industry tied to 15 percent of the country’s economy: Don’t screw it up.

The system’s size and complexity mean that a wrong move by the Obama administration could restrict credit, drive down home prices, increase foreclosures and slow the economy, housing advocates and industry participants say. At the same time, some lawmakers say it’s time to close government-controlled loan guarantors and halt limitless bailouts.

“It’s like building an airplane while you’re still flying it,” said David Ledford, senior vice president of mortgage finance at the National Association of Home Builders in Washington. Housing investments and related services account for 15 percent of gross domestic product, according to the group, ranking the industry second to health care.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-17 05:16:49

“It’s like building an airplane while you’re still flying it,”

-Except that instead of using aeronautical engineers you get corrupt mental-midgets like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Turbo-Tax-Timmy, and others giving the impression of monkeys trying to hump a football.

Comment by drumminj
2010-08-17 07:18:58

monkeys trying to hump a football.

That imagery never ceases to crack me up!

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-17 09:46:57

At least Peta hasn’t censored THAT image. An invisible monkey humping a football is less fun.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 02:53:50

Late mortgage payments spike in 2Q vs year ago
Rate of missed mortgage payments jumps in 2Q from a year ago, but down from start of this year.

NEW YORK (AP) — The rate at which U.S. homeowners fell behind on their mortgage payments remained stubbornly elevated in the second quarter.

In the three months ended June 30, the number of mortgage holders 60 days or more behind on their payments was 6.67 percent, credit reporting agency TransUnion said Tuesday. That’s a big jump from 5.81 percent in the second quarter of last year, and well above the historical norm of 1.5 percent to 2 percent.

One positive sign is that the statistic reveals a slower rate of increase from the pace seen a year ago.

What’s more, it marks a marginal improvement from the rate of 6.77 percent recorded during the first three months of the year. It’s also below the 6.89 percent record reached in the fourth quarter of 2009.

“We’re seeing signs of recovering in terms of delinquency,” said FJ Guarrera, vice president in TransUnion’s financial services unit.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-17 04:32:19

“We’re seeing signs of recovering in terms of delinquency,” said FJ Guarrera, vice president in TransUnion’s financial services unit.

Well, golly. I guess once the house gets foreclosed upon, and the title transfers from the delinquent mortgage, then they are no longer delinquent, as they no longer have a mortgage.
Is that what is making the improvement in the numbers or are more people making their payments. The numbers don’t say, but I suspect that is the real reason the numbers look better.

 
 
Comment by TCM_guy
2010-08-17 03:33:56

I understand that many school districts are having trouble balancing their spending, and I also understand that some are better funded than others, but…

I have not heard or read about any school district proposing a reduction in force of administrators. People have stated in this blog that school districts are now either charging fees, or not providing toiletries, or laying off teachers, while administrative jobs remain sacred.

It appears that school districts have the jurisdiction to do anything they want to maintain a no-lay off policy for administrators. They can increase these new fees. A $1.00 daily fee for a bus ride, that becomes the $2.00 fee, then the $3.00 fee… If that’s not enough, they can impose a per-head yearly surcharge. (You know, utilities are expensive.) $100 per student, which becomes $200, which becomes $300…

I can see a future where the per-head surcharge can be increased into the thousands of dollars. Exemptions can be made for those who can prove hardship (provide tax/personal records to the school board), which of course will require even more administrators to implement. A pay-as-you-go system, very similar to the county ambulance services that charge according to the customer’s willingness to forego their privacy to some review board. (Or how well connected the customer happens to be.)

But school boards steadfastly refuse to lay off administrators. The odds of school board administrators reducing their own ranks are about as good as a CEO outsourcing his own job to Chindia. I don’t think these two events will ever happen in America, but I am willing to listen to anybody who knows otherwise.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-17 05:19:58

…or they can pressure the county to raise property taxes. That’s what they like to do around here.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-17 06:18:48

New York City keeps cutting administrative costs that were already among the lowest in the nation, due in part to economies of scale (1 million students).

Rising teacher pension costs still has the city cutting the classroom.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-08-17 06:52:39

“I have not heard or read about any school district proposing a reduction in force of administrators.”

When I read about the Chicago schools in trouble, there is always talk about laying off from the admin side as well as from the teaching side. However, I just get the impression that its a secretary or two in the district office getting the boot, not the folks that make the big bucks.

An elementary school principal in my school district (Chicago burbs) can expect a salary of around $140K/year. Each school has three assistant principals making around $120K/year. Growing up none my schools (even ones of similar size) ever had more than one assistant principal, so each school having three of them seems excessive to me.

I took a closer look at school district salaries after talking to another mom who was concerned about a math or science teacher in her daughter’s school being let go due to budget cuts. She alerted me to high salaries and wondered why they couldn’t cut the highest paid by $5K - $10K/year in order to save the important academics.

 
Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2010-08-17 07:34:54

Listen to me.

Los Angeles County Office of Ed laid off 33% of their school psychologist staff this year, who are on the administrative designee schedule (but who also provide direct services to kids).

There are also tons of special program administrators or teachers on special administrative assignment who are going back to their old jobs (of school psych, teacher) as those special programs are shuttered.

Administrative fat gets trimmed, too.

Comment by rms
2010-08-17 07:53:00

Why not recommend to the parents that their child see a psychologist? Why does a school have a psychologist staff?

Comment by scdave
2010-08-17 08:47:11

recommend to the parents that their child see a psychologist ??

More like recommend to the child that their parents see a psychologist…

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Comment by polly
2010-08-17 09:34:14

Because the parents either won’t or can’t afford it and the school thinks it can’t do its job of educating the kid unless the child gets some help. I have no idea if it works in most districts. My impression of talk therapy is that it takes a long time and requires more ability to self reflect than the average child or adolescent has, but if a school psychologist can help a kid - for example - figure out how to not get so angry at perceived slights from other kids or other simple coping mechanisms, in an hour or so a week for a few months, then it is money well spent. It could help the kid seeing the psychologist, prevent disruption of the education of the other 20 odd kids in the class and prevent the teacher from burning out on behavior problems. Whether it actually works that way is another issue.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-08-17 14:58:19

They probably have to run the kid past a psychologist before they can order him to take “mood altering drugs”. IIUC a lot of young kids are on Ritalin et al. these days.

 
 
Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2010-08-17 09:49:47

Schools and districts have psychologists because children are entitled to a free and appropriate education, which means that if a child has special needs, the school must provide them. It is the law.

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Comment by TCM_guy
2010-08-17 08:09:02

OK, I stand corrected. It’s one out of two—the CEOs who will never outsource their own jobs to Chindia. Unless anyone knows otherwise…

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-08-17 08:59:41

We have a fairly new supt here who has been making a big splash, going around to all the service clubs making impassioned presentations about how we need to get more kids to graduate - basically keep their butts in the seats and give them a diploma.

Got all the suckers around here all worked up about how great he was then asked for a big raise. He’ll probably get it - because, after all he could be making $XXX somewhere else!

What a scam.

Comment by AnonyRuss
2010-08-17 12:18:43

One interesting story I recall from a few years ago involved a Phoenix area school district superintendent. He took a position with a large district; I recall a salary in the high $100s. But this joker kept re-registering his vehicles in Oregon or some state with minimal registration fees where he used to live/work. Well, somebody must have noticed, reported him, and the “scandal” led to his forced resignation.

There is dishonesty involved, but it was just plain dumb. A guy making four or five times the average annual Arizona income, and he still can not bite the bullet and pay the somewhat objectionable AZ vehicle registration fees (partially based on car’s value). I was far less disturbed by someone trying to avoid some car fees than the highly paid public educator in chief of tens of thousands of students not realizing that showing up at district meetings with out of state places would eventually get noticed.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 13:10:01

I once used an ADOT reporting form to dime out a neighbor who’d been driving an Oregon-registered vehicle for years. The guy’s known around the nabe as an aho, so I figured that it was payback time.

And it worked. That car was sportin’ AZ plates before too long.

Wish I knew the URL of that form, because the “keep the vehicle registered elsewhere” thing is a big problem here.

 
 
 
 
Comment by CincyDad
2010-08-17 09:26:07

School Administrative jobs get cut here in Ohio all the time…..

…but then again, our school tax is a FIXED percent of property value, and any changes to that fixed rate requires approval by the voters.

(note - property values rose slowly in Ohio, and they are declining slowly now as well. So the school never got the big boost of a run-up, but their future projects have been compromised as well.)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 20:07:39

They have to keep the “talent” don’t ya know.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 03:36:28

Treasuries Decline as Reports May Show Housing, Industrial Output Improve.

Treasuries snapped a two-day advance, pushing 10-year yields up from a 17-month low, before government and central bank reports that economists said will show the housing market and industrial production improved.

Longer-maturity bonds, which are more sensitive to inflation expectations, led the drop on speculation separate data will show producer prices rose last month, easing concern the U.S. is heading for deflation. The Federal Reserve is scheduled to buy Treasuries due from August 2014 to July 2016 today, reviving its purchases to spur the economy by keeping borrowing costs down. Asian and European stocks gained, damping demand for fixed income.

Comment by packman
2010-08-17 05:59:35

The Federal Reserve is scheduled to buy Treasuries due from August 2014 to July 2016 today

??? I thought they were buying 2 and 10 year. What’s this 4-6 year thing? I guess they’re buying 10-year on the secondary market?

If so - how sweet it must be to be on the selling end of that. All those treasury holders (bankers mostly, I’m sure) get to dump theirs at bubble-inflated prices to the Fed.

(Sound familiar?)

Comment by mikey
2010-08-17 08:19:59

Business
Burlington bank told to raise capital or sell itself
By Paul Gores of the Journal Sentinel

Aug. 16, 2010 |

A bank based in Burlington has been told to raise capital or sell itself to another financial institution by early October, regulators disclosed Monday.

First Banking Center, a 90-year-old bank with about $869 million in assets, signed an agreement last fall with the Federal Reserve and the Wisconsin Department of Financial Institutions directing it to take steps to strengthen the bank. But according to a new “prompt corrective action” directive, the bank remains “significantly undercapitalized.” Capital acts as a cushion against bad loans at a bank.

It’s getting rough out thar Pilgrim

:)

 
 
Comment by Weed Wacker
2010-08-17 13:39:59

Did you see what their idea of Housing improvement is? Builders built more houses. If only I lived in a world that wasn’t this f’d up!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 03:42:35

London’s Rich Enlist New Breed of Broker in Search for Homes.

Beverley Kirby gave up trying to buy a house on her own in London’s Chelsea neighborhood after twice getting burned by owners reneging on agreements to sell to her.

The night before Kirby was due to sign for one 4.5 million- pound ($7 million) house a year ago, she was trumped by an offer that was 500,000 pounds higher. The aborted deal cost her 4,000 pounds in fees and left her with a few months to vacate the apartment she had sold.

“I was getting desperate,” said Kirby, who bought and sold seven other homes previously with her former husband. “There was madness in the market. People had no ethics at all.”

That experience, along with the surge in prices for a dwindling number of top-end properties for sale, led Kirby to hire Robert Bailey, a type of broker known as a buying agent. Bailey is one of several hundred operators in a field that barely existed in the U.K. 15 years ago. He found her a home that wasn’t advertised. Kirby moved into it in early April after Bailey helped her carry out refurbishments and get planning consent to use the top of the garage as a roof terrace.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 20:13:08

How can people so wealthy be so damn dumb?

 
 
Comment by dude
2010-08-17 04:02:43

So, dude was in Zurich last week on business, and observed a full go economy. I even talked to a couple of legal Spanish immigrants from Ecuador who went to CH when the construction work in Spain dried up.

The prices are astonishing there. 8 dollars for a Whopper, $7 for a simple Brarwurst, $4.50 for a Coke. The dollar and Swiss Franc are essentially at parity now. Has Switzerland been more successful at inflating its way out of the crisis? From my conversation with engineers over lunch the median home price to income ratio is about 10 now, and seems to be buoyed up by similar tax advantages to Holland.

Where goes the CHF from here?

Comment by yensoy
2010-08-17 05:17:52

As the repository of a lot of ill-gotten gains from all over the world, they will continue to do well.

Comment by dude
2010-08-17 15:52:10

Not so much now that the USgov has forced them to upchuck their lists. Offshore is the new Swiss.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-17 06:08:07

Those prices are identical to what you would pay here at any outdoor festival or event. I guess Swtizerland is just a big full-time festival.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 20:15:08

No different from NYC either.

 
 
Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-17 06:09:54

I imagine gas was 10 bucks a gallon?

Comment by dude
2010-08-17 06:23:11

I’ve actually got that recipt right in front of me, 1.67CHF/L, so right around that. Still that was $79 for 8 days driving to and from work about 40 miles round trip, plus a daytrip to Lucerne and back Sunday afternoon. Mercedes A class, sipped the fuel.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-17 07:14:58

They don’t drive Escalades? How do they get chicks?

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Comment by dude
2010-08-17 08:18:31

I actually saw a few Escalades, new Mustangs, new Camaros, as well as a number of primo classic American cars. Apparently the American cars are more common there than other Eurozone countries because they haven’t ever had domestic auto production.

 
Comment by yensoy
2010-08-17 08:43:44

Yodeling

Sorry, couldn’t resist :-)

 
Comment by rusty
2010-08-17 09:58:10

Switzerland, the land of 100 year mortgages! You start buying the house and your grandkids or great grandkids pay it off eventually.

They also have stiff fees in place to prohibit house flipping. I could never wrap my head around a million franc apartment, so I never bothered to follow up.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-08-17 10:43:39

They don’t drive Escalades? How do they get chicks?

Ha! That made me laugh.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-08-17 10:38:43

How did you like that A class? I’ll be sleepless in Berlin soon and that’s one of the rental car choices for me too…

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Comment by dude
2010-08-17 15:03:44

A class was comfortable for up to 4 adults, or 3 plus luggage. It drove well and like I said, it sipped the gas. I’ve got no complaints at all.

 
 
 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-17 12:37:42

“…..eight dollars for a Whopper, $7 for a simple bratwurst, $4.50 for a Coke……”

Just think of Switzerland as the biggest, most technologically sophisticated 3D movie experience in the world. Then those prices will be right in line with all the movie theaters around here.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 12:52:21

Hey X,

What are you thoughts on the safety of flying on commercial carriers these days?

Obviously planes aren’t falling out of the sky, but with all the corner cutting are they close to the tipping point in your opinion? Or should we all just relax as they “fix” the plane we have already boarded?

Comment by TCM_guy
2010-08-17 13:57:59

Whatever you do, don’t fly Mexican Airlines!

Our plane (an old 727, possibly purchased for scrap value?) was delayed at Guadalajara as a couple of mechanics where working on the plane as it sat on the tarmac, fully loaded with passengers.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-17 14:39:44

Not uncommon, even here.

Now you’ve got me started.

I was going on a trip to Philadelphia, to look at a C-501 for an airplane broker I work for occasionally.

Cockpit doors were open. Aircraft had dual Flight Management System (FMS). We’re trying to taxi from the gate, and the pilots are d##king with it. Both of them are entering data….then watching it, then punching in numbers again. This is not good.

Aircraft avionics are like every other microprocessor controlled device. Sometimes they get confused, and say “f##k it”. The solution is to turn it off and reboot. Pilots don’t like to do this, because they have to re-enter their flight plan/waypoint data again.

Jackholes messed with it for 20 plus minutes (while I’m muttering “REBOOT THE POS!!!”), then decided to call maintenance. What does the sparkie-tech do? Turns it off and reboots. Works fine, lasts long time.

But by this time, we were running too late to make my connection. Which led to having to get my crap off the airline, to go on another airline……which meant I had to go to another terminal……..which led to my little run-in with the “Little Hitlers of the TSA”

But I digress…….

Flying the airlines is perfectly safe. Just ask their P.R. reps.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 15:00:06

Mexicana is in bankruptcy last I heard. The airline was trying get wage concessions from the pilots, whose average pay is over 200,000 US (yeah, they’re paid better than US airline pilots).

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 15:04:41

Aircraft avionics are like every other microprocessor controlled device. Sometimes they get confused, and say “f##k it”.

Don’t these things have a watchdog timer?

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-17 16:03:28

A lot of this stiff still lives in in “DOS World”.

Last year, I needed to find a “Serial mouse”, so I could change the settings inside one of the units. Several programs that I regularly have to access on the airplanes can’t run on anything newer than “XP”. My nav databases are still loaded using floppies.

For better and for worse, the old-fuds at the FAA has this thing about not certifying avionics until they are absolutely, positively sure it’s bullet-proof……None of this Microsoft BS of throwing half finished crap on the market, and letting the customers be your Function and Reliability engineers. (but even so, they still miss stuff sometimes).

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-17 16:42:35

I was promoted to project engineer of the radar waring processor used in the F-16 and A-10 back in 1978. That box was built around a Data General 16-bit minicomputer! The RWR was updated after the first Gulf War but IIUC my box is still flying on the A-10.

IIUC the avionics on the Space Shuttle are even more primitive.

 
Comment by TCM_guy
2010-08-17 17:09:59

I was under the impression that much of the avionics is working under some variant of the linux operating system because of its stability.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-08-17 14:32:10

Between the TSA Hitler Youth and their airport concentrations camps, gerbil tubes with wings for planes and the 12 year old community college airline pilots, I’d rather drive and stop at a motel with a pool whenever I can.

I really, really hate Atlanta airport.

If I have to go overseas, I want a real airplane and an experienced crew all armed with Marine Kabar knives because I’m afraid of sharks.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-17 16:13:45

Everybody (airlines and corporate) is throwing all the old guys under the bus. Keeping the 2500TT captains, and the “just got my ATP” copilots.

I keep thinking that having 90 day wonders flying airplanes that are inspected and repaired by uncertified Central Americans, with marginal supervision, and who don’t have to worry about drug or alcohol screening, can only end badly for somebody. But I’m an old paradigm guy, so WTF do I know?

Remember……when the autopilot is on, the mechanic/avionics guys are flying the airplane.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-08-17 18:11:19

Comment by mikey
2010-08-17 14:32:10
Between the TSA Hitler Youth and their airport concentrations camps, gerbil tubes with wings for planes and the 12 year old community college airline pilots, I’d rather drive and stop at a motel with a pool whenever I can.

I really, really hate Atlanta airport.

If I have to go overseas, I want a real airplane and an experienced crew all armed with Marine Kabar knives because I’m afraid of sharks.
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Hilarious!

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 12:53:44

According to the Big Mac Index, The Swiss Frank is over 70% overvalued against the US dollar

What The Big Mac Can Tell You About Currencies

http://www.dailymarkets.com/forex/2010/07/19/what-the-big-mac-can-tell-you-about-currencies/

World Big Mac Index, chart 2009

http://www.oanda.com/currency/big-mac-index

Comment by dude
2010-08-17 15:13:02

…and that there is an answer to my question. Thanks RAIB.

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-17 04:13:37

A little local news from Tampa Tribune, yesterday:

45% upside down on Tampa homes, down from 54%

By SHANNON BEHNKEN | The Tampa Tribune
Published: August 16, 2010

“TAMPA - Home values continued their free fall in the second quarter, leaving 45 percent of Tampa Bay homeowners upside down on mortgages.

The good news: That’s better than last quarter, and the Bay area saw values rise month-over-month for the first time since May 2006, according to Zillow.com.

If you’re a Clearwater homeowner, it gets even better: Home values are up from last quarter, too.

Home values dropped 8.2 percent in the second quarter in the Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater metro area, compared to the same period last year. The median value hit $118,700, Zillow says. Values fell in the short-term, too, dropping 0.1 percent from the previous quarter.

In the first quarter, 53 percent of Tampa area owners owed more on their mortgages than their homes were worth. So 45 percent for the second quarter is an improvement.

One reason may be that distressed homeowners are getting rid of their upside down properties. Zillow said 40 percent of all homes changing hands in June sold for loss.

Values in the Tampa metro area have fallen 45 percent since their peak in May 2006 and are now back to the level they were at in December 2002.”

I deleted all the details, but you get the picture. I have maintained that 2001 to 2002 was where the bubble really got it’s lift here. Prices started to boost a year or two earlier from a more traditional trajectory, so we are getting near the bottom of the crash, but an “overshoot” is usually typical.
As usual, the story uses the more dramatic case of all mortgages, rather than all homeowners. If 1/3 of houses are mortgage-free, then only 2/3 of 50% are underwater, so more like 1/3 of all the houses here.
That’s still a lot.

Comment by packman
2010-08-17 06:05:51

45% upside down on Tampa homes, down from 54%

I think that partially answers your question above about delinquencies. Naturally the delinquency rate will go down as the percentage of people underwater goes down, which is starting to happen.

Slowly but surely the housing market is starting to heal. A new wound is probably coming, in the form of another price drop, now that the tax credit has expired - but overall delinquencies will certainly be falling from here on out. WSJ had an article yesterday showing a chart (only in the dead-tree edition) of delinquencies starting to go down quite a bit in all the GSE loans. Still high - but going down.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-17 08:27:44

If you look at the cost of a median house with a 30yr FRM, falling interest rates explain the rise in prices pretty well through about 2003. Then things got COMPLETELY wonky as underwriting disappeared and the heretfore rare non-or-negatively ammortizing mortgage became common. Of course in many markets, ESPECIALLY Florida and Vegas, there was a huge increase in the supply, so there’s no good reason for prices to stabilize at the 2001-2003 levels.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 04:14:46

Ahead of the Bell: Housing starts
Housing starts expected to post small gain in July but remain at depressed levels. ~ August 17, 2010

WASHINGTON (AP) — Housing construction likely will show a small gain in July following a big decline the previous month.

Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expect construction of new homes and apartments to have climbed to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 560,000 in July. The report will be released by the Commerce Department at 8:30 a.m. EDT Tuesday.

The expected 2 percent gain in July housing construction would follow a big drop in construction in June that pushed total activity down to an annual rate of 549,000 units, the slowest pace since last October.

The sluggish nature of the housing recovery has acted to depress the rebound of the overall economy, which has lost momentum since the start of the year.

The big drop in June housing construction was driven by a 20 percent plunge in condominium and apartment construction, a small but volatile portion of the housing market.

Comment by Jess
2010-08-17 05:40:59

The construction industry in upstate SC, is Dead, Dead, dead , and we never even had that much of a bubble . It”s been 30 years since the tradesmen have been this desperate for work , of any kind . A local contractor is clearing , and shaping land for a 19 unit patio home complex . We are all betting on how far he’ll get till it implodes . At least his men are working , for now .

Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-17 07:30:51

They’re working, but will they get paid when everything goes to heck. In bankruptcy, employees are just more creditors standing in line, trying to be made whole.

Comment by rms
2010-08-17 07:58:51

Very few employees on the job site; think 1099.

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-17 09:28:35

Thus making payment even MORE iffy IMHO. Remember early on in the bust when some Florida Homebuilder gave all their subs an ultimatum: “Accept 80¢ on the dollar for the work you’ve already completed or we won’t give you any more work.”

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 04:29:22

China Cuts Long-Term Treasuries By Most Ever as Yields Drop

Aug. 17 (Bloomberg) — Kenneth Lieberthal, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute, a Washington policy group, talks about the outlook for China’s economy and the mainland’s holdings of U.S. Treasuries. China cut its holdings of Treasury notes and bonds by the most ever, raising speculation the plunge in U.S. yields that sent two-year rates to a record low has made government securities too expensive for some investors.

China cut its holdings of Treasury notes and bonds by the most ever, raising speculation a plunge in U.S. yields that sent two-year rates to a record low has made government securities unattractive.

The Asian nation’s holdings of long-term Treasuries fell by $21.2 billion in June to $839.7 billion, a U.S. government report showed yesterday. Total Chinese investment in U.S. debt declined 2.8 percent to $843.7 billion, the least in a year, following a 3.6 percent slide in May.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-17 06:03:46

That ok, the fed will buy more instead.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-17 06:09:10

Though China’s cutting - Japan and UK are still buying, and quite a bit.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-08-17 06:50:54

Maybe China doesn’t have the money now that sales to the U.S. and Europe are down.

Just throwing this thought out so it can be looked at.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-17 09:30:39

ISTR that there was a story last week that the trade deficit was getting worse, since people were using the money from the stimulus and defaulting on their mortgages to buy more imported cr@p. So they’ve still got excess dollars.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 11:51:06

“since people were … and defaulting on their mortgages to buy more imported cr@p. So they’ve still got excess dollars.”

How many people are really doing that nationwide? Are there any hard numbers?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 04:52:03

Our jobs, our way or life, any financial security we used to have and now our health…

Many on the right including self-professed Christians claim that universal health care is somehow un-American. But what is un-American about a proven system that costs half as much per person, provides coverage to more people and gets better results? Has it not been beaten into our brains the superiority of the “lowest cost producer”? Or is this just so long as no crony-capitalist’s ox gets gored?

Our health-care system fails us, bankrupts us, makes us sick, and makes us cower in fear. Which is the American patriot? The one who defends our existing health-care system or the one who tries to reform it for the good of the American people?

Economy Led to Cuts in Use of Health Care 8/16/10

The economic crisis in the United States has reduced the use of routine medical care, and the cutbacks here are much deeper than in countries with universal health care systems,

“Americans, who face higher out-of-pocket health care costs, have reduced their routine medical care” much more than people in Britain, Canada, France and Germany.

“We find strong evidence that the economic crisis — manifested in job and wealth losses — has led to reductions in the use of routine medical care,” the researchers said.

“Reductions in care were far greater in the United States than elsewhere,” they said, in part because about 15 percent of Americans are uninsured, whereas the other countries have near-universal coverage.

Among Americans responding to the survey, they said, 26.5 percent reported reducing their use of routine medical care since the start of the global economic crisis in 2007.

This proportion dwarfs the comparable numbers for other countries: 5.3 percent in Canada, 7.6 percent in Britain, 10.3 percent in Germany and 12 percent in France.

Several provisions of the new health care law, signed by President Obama in March, could counter the trend described in the report.

“About 70 percent of hospitals (In the USA) report fewer patient visits and elective procedures as family budgets remain tight and patients continue to delay or forgo care,”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/health/policy/17health.html?_r=1&hp

Yea buddy…we’re numero uno.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-17 05:28:19

Another puff piece by the NYT. I wouldn’t waste my time reading their crap, and many more people have realized just what a propaganda machine this paper really is, ergo, declining readership.

While life expectancy in the US has been steadily increasing, and still remains at very high levels, there is almost no correlation to higher health care costs and higher life expectancy.
The reality is that we are spending way too much on “health care” compared with other countries, and now, what the story indicates is that we are cutting back.
What the story seems to imply, and what you seem to have believed is that people are dying in the streets from “lack of healthcare”.
There is no evidence that this is true.
There is evidence that people are spending less and therefore eliminating unnecessary doctor visits. Are some of the cuts “necessary”? I don’t know. Neither does the NYT, but I am sure in country this large they can drag out a few people to interview to show how the country is falling apart.

The countries cited in the article that have cut back only marginally are acting according to typical economical principals. The “healthcare” is “free”, so even if a trip to the doctor is unnecessary, they will go because they don’t want to wait for their cold to get better. After all, it’s free. And worst of all, there is NO evidence, in fact the projections from the Budget Office show the “Obamaplan” is going to cost much more than advertised, and there will be no savings to the average American under the plan. Costs will INCREASE.

So, comrade, enjoy the great Brazilian plan while you are there. Everyone of those other countries is looking for ways to pare down costs. The latest in Britain is giving doctors a budget and letting them decide how to administer care. Get the government bureaucrats out of the system seems to be the direction.

Comment by peter a
2010-08-17 05:44:47

“What the story seems to imply, and what you seem to have believed is that people are dying in the streets from “lack of healthcare”.

No they die in the Emergency Room. They are picked up of the streets “MOSTLY dead.There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead”.
They come into the ER and die of the streets.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 12:00:21

Or better yet, they don’t go to the ER because of the cost.

I’ve share dthis story before, but here goes:

One morning in the carpool a coworker’s phone rings. It was her unemployed husband. He told her he was having chest pains. He refused to go to the ER because of the cost (they have a plan with a $3000 deductible). So he toughed it out and the pain eventually went away. The cause? He will never know. Maybe he has a bad heart and needs treatment. But he will never set foot in the doctor’s office, won’t get lab work and won’t get a stress test. For all he knows it will happen again and this time nail him.

And here’s the kicker: She’s prefer to stick with her crappy private plan than a single payor, because under the single payor plan “there will be rationing.”

There was no point explaining to her that her family is already “self rationing” because of the huge deductible.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 12:55:10

There was no point explaining to her that her family is already “self rationing” because of the huge deductible.

Please try.

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-17 06:15:43

there is almost no correlation to higher health care costs and higher life expectancy.

Correct. We spend more than everyone else, and yet we have a shorter life expectancy than almost any other developed nation.

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-17 06:28:20

Oh, and i happened to catch this from AP on Yahoo.news this morning. I’ll include just excerpts. You can read the whole “story” on yahoo:
Aging inmates straining prison systems

CONNELL, Wash. – Curtis Ballard rides a motorized wheelchair around his prison ward, which happens to be the new assisted living unit — a place of many windows and no visible steel bars — at Washington’s Coyote Ridge Corrections Center.

A stroke left Ballard unable to walk. He’s also had a heart attack and he underwent a procedure to remove skin cancer from his neck. At 77, he’s been in prison since 1993 for murder. He has 14 years left on his sentence.

Ballard is among the national surge in elderly inmates whose medical expenses are straining cash-strapped states and have officials looking for solutions, including early release, some possibly to nursing homes. Ballard says he’s fine where he is.

“I’d be a burden on my kids,” said the native Texan. “I’d rather be a burden to these people.”

The ACLU estimates that it costs about $72,000 to house an elderly inmate for a year, compared to $24,000 for a younger prisoner.
The federal Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that the number of men and women in state and federal prisons age 55 and older grew 76 percent between 1999 and 2008, the latest year available, from 43,300 to 76,400. The growth of the entire prison population grew only 18 percent in that period.
The documents show the average age of a prison inmate in Washington has risen from 34.8 years in 2000 to 37.3 in 2010.

And that’s the number i wanted to get to. 37 percent. This is about the median age of the US population. So, though most prison populations increase by younger men, they are aging and now draining the States (government healthcare) because longer sentences have the age of the population in prison, about equal to the age of the overall population. The healthcare costs are killing them. They already have government healthcare. They would like to simply pass that cost to another government agency.
How does that lower the cost to the taxpayer for “healthcare”.
It doesn’t.
Older people require more “care” and the US population is aging.
Transferring costs by sleight-of- hand to another segment of the population won’t change that. But to someone of a socialist mindset, there is always some rich guy they can take the money from. Unfortunately, it’s never the rich who pay. It’s the just above ‘average’ that will get the bills.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-17 06:35:15

Wheres kevorkian when you need him?

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-17 06:56:52

Ya beat me to it slim…….

Maybe we should really use the death penalty more often and end the life without parole nonsense, as a cost cutting measure…ya know.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-17 07:43:08

dj, +1E6.

Utah pays nothing each year to incarcerate Gary Gilmore, among others, in a box six feet below ground.

 
Comment by yensoy
2010-08-17 08:48:45

Not true, I hear death penalty cases involve additional litigation costs of over a million dollars. Besides the ethical issues…

I say outsource the prisons. Outsource them out of the US and get iPods made at the same time. Think Gitmo with an assembly line.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-08-17 09:46:41

Technically, arizonadude is not arizonaslim.

I thought i should make that distinction for a controversial topic.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 09:48:58

I’m here to tell y’all that the dude is not me.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-17 12:46:19

“death penalty cases involve additional litigation costs of over a million dollars”.

So you are saying it’s cost effective, vs. paying for the health care of a murderer that lives to age 75?

X-GSfixr’s “fix”:

Parole/release them to Nursing homes. Owned and staffed by the families of murder victims.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-17 13:03:44

Oops AZ silm/dude..geez can ya forgive me?

I’m here to tell y’all that the dude is not me.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 13:21:53

Oops AZ silm/dude..geez can ya forgive me?

I sure can!

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-17 07:18:44

I hope “the Scooter Store” sold him is chair and made big money while the taxpayer “paid in full”.

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Comment by scdave
2010-08-17 08:58:41

“I’d be a burden on my kids,” said the native Texan. “I’d rather be a burden to these people.” ??

Strategic criminal ??

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Comment by lavi d
2010-08-17 10:33:41

A stroke left Ballard unable to walk. He’s also had a heart attack and he underwent a procedure to remove skin cancer from his neck. At 77, he’s been in prison since 1993 for murder. He has 14 years left on his sentence.

The good news is, he’ll be out when he’s 91.

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Comment by potential buyer
2010-08-17 16:30:20

Hand out sentences that actually fit the crime. (I’m not talking about violent crimes). Reduce the prison population (which is extremely high because the Dept. of Corrections wants its OT), and stop sending parole violators back.

In fact, stop parole. They only get incarcarated if they commit another crime, not for not reporting to their PO. That will reduce the population by thousands and thousands.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 08:03:44

So, comrade, enjoy the great Brazilian plan while you are there.

Impressive Diogenes. Proud? I come up with another documented study with numbers and facts.

You come up with an angry paragraph of biased, twisted, unsubstantiated and faulty points easily picked apart by those more knowledgeable and then all you can do is call names and insult the messenger.

Fine piece of work there. Makes your side of the debate look real good.

Comment by lavi d
2010-08-17 10:59:19

You come up with an angry paragraph of biased, twisted, unsubstantiated and faulty points easily picked apart by those more knowledgeable and then all you can do is call names and insult the messenger.

Fine piece of work there. Makes your side of the debate look real good.

The O’Reilly method.

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-17 12:05:30

You come up with an angry paragraph of biased, twisted, unsubstantiated and faulty points easily picked apart by those more knowledgeable and then all you can do is call names and insult the messenger.

Fine piece of work there. Makes your side of the debate look real good.

well, gee, if it’s so easy to dispute everything I say, why don’t you.
simple. Yours is the unsubstantiated, faulty and easily picked apart arguments. The NYT is no more factual or knowledgeable then Pravda.
you regularly pull up stories, completely unrelated to most of the topics here to show how horrible things are here in America and get a newpaper article to support it with “statistics”. The problem with the stories is that the statistics don’t support any conclusion. The story-teller gives us the conclusion which you and everyone else is supposed to follow and believe.
Less spending on healthcare. Conclusion: healthcare is broken and needs to be socialized. How about, were in an economic downturn due to overspending and everyone is cutting back on everything, including healthcare, which is being overly expensed for a vast number of reasons.

Your last article on blacks and hispanics making less money, simply should state that blacks and hispanics are making less money. Your side of the story: Less money is evidence of racism. Wrong. The statistics support no conclusion and I could give you multiple reasons. For instance, with a 70% illegitimacy rate in the “black community”, black children have a much higher probability of being and staying poor. They have higher drop out rates, higher teen pregnancies, higher likelihood of dropping out of school….etc., etc, etc. I could go on with “statistical facts” for a long time and pull up lots of data to support my position.
But I don’t need to. When you post articles that support no conclusion, but provide a conclusion that the writer’s wish to make, it is called “PROPAGANDA”.
I took a course in propaganda in College. I also watch for “news” they says “informed sources said”. Who? Whoever they consider informed. It could be the delivery boy.
Please stop posting ridiculous articles that say whatever the “newspaper” wants to say and provides spurious support to sell their concept of the world around them.
It’s like: 90% of accidents occur within 25 miles of your home. That must mean you need to be extra careful driving around your neighborhood, or that everyone lives in a high-risk neighborhood. The truth is, it’s where you do most of your driving.
Have a nice day. I just dragged the site up to check on any comments and need to get back to other tasks. I will be back on line sometime late this evening. Please feel free to provide the more knowledgeable and “informed” support you find in leftist publications.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 13:16:08

well, gee, if it’s so easy to dispute everything I say, why don’t you. Diogenes

I didn’t need to. Others did. Others do. Others will.

simple. Yours is the unsubstantiated, faulty and easily picked apart arguments. The NYT is no more factual or knowledgeable then Pravda.

Are you surprised you’re Wrong again? The study was done by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Not the NYT. Geez. They only report, you decide OK?

My pertinent stats, stories and studies on race, income, health-care and the economy blow your angry, prejudiced diatribes out of the water on a consistent basis. Sorry but true. Man up.

You just don’t like my posts because the facts interfere with your mind that is already made up based on faulty beliefs, failed dogma and one sided propaganda. That’s why you call me names.

But some of your posts on other subjects are good.

And hey thanks! You have a good day too.

 
 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-08-17 05:34:00

The lack of prevenative care patients may all come down to the cost of the co-pay.

A twenty dollar co-pay that buys several hundred dollars worth of preventative medical care is a great buy for a patient who has twenty dollars to spare. But if he doesn’t have the spare twenty then he has to do without.

Which may catch up him down the line a bit, but that’s then … and this is now.

Comment by Kim
2010-08-17 06:27:00

DH’s doctor told him that a chain around here is doing $350 MRIs. You have to pay cash up front to get that price. Business faded with the economy, and now they’re just trying to keep the lights on and make payments on all that equipment. To give a frame of reference, one of DH’s coworkers paid around $600 out-of-pocket earlier this year.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 07:56:49

This is precisely why I see a coming boom in low-cost health care clinics.

One of our fellow HBB-ers has mentioned firing the family dentist (who got way too expensive) and switching to something called Comfort Dental. From what I can tell, this is some sort of franchise that charges a lot less than the freestanding Dr. Pricey’s office.

Likewise, those Minute Clinics in drugstores. I think we’re going to start seeing those in places like Wal-Mart (which already has opticians in-store, and, IIRC, optometrists) and Target.

If this isn’t enough, the recently passed (and much maligned) health care reform bill has major funding for community clinics. I’ve used such a clinic when I was living in Pittsburgh, and I was very glad that it was there. Care was fabulous and the cost was miniscule.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 12:27:49

“One of our fellow HBB-ers has mentioned firing the family dentist (who got way too expensive) and switching to something called Comfort Dental”

That was me!

 
Comment by BlueStar
2010-08-17 15:39:45

I just got back from Nuevo Progresso Mexico (across from McAllen TX, passport req.). Had a root canal & porcelain crown for $230. Total cost of 3 day trip was $640 for dentist, food gas and lodging. I did ‘import’ a few other items like custom boots and OTC drugs at 40%-60% off state side prices.
The local dentist wanted $1,545 and it was going to take 2 weeks. This is the second trip I have made with 100% satisfaction. Wish I lived closer.

 
 
Comment by Jimbolio
2010-08-17 08:25:45

I have to back you up on this. I needed an MRI on my back a few months ago. I was quoted $321 dollars by the same company that contracts through the hospital. Compare that to $1000 just a few years ago.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 12:29:28

I had an ultrasound last year (turned out to be gallstones).

The tech told me that business was sunstantialy down.

 
 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-08-17 11:18:36

“The lack of prevenative care patients may all come down to the cost of the co-pay.”

That’s if you still have the job and the insurance. If you don’t, you may not want to have a condition diagnosed when you are without insurance. Or you may be forced to choose between food and doctor. BTDT - when my youngest was 6 months old he had an ear infection. The local urgent care clinic cost as much as food for a week. We took the hit on food in that case (and juggled a few things), but would not have for a checkup.

A friend of mine had an uncle who died of cancer in his 80s. His doctor told him if he had come in 20 years earlier, they could probably have cured him.

What good is that mammogram if you can’t afford the treatment? The Dr. Kevorkian option may be preferable, depending on your age and circumstances.

Bottom line - some doctor visits are necessary and some can be postponed. I’m not surprised that doctors and dentists are seeing reduced demand for their services.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 13:15:09

What good is that mammogram if you can’t afford the treatment?

Tell me about it!

A couple of months ago, I was at a free clinic hosted by our neighborhood recreation center. It was staffed by the loveliest group of volunteer doctors, nurses, and a dentist. One of the kindest experiences I’ve ever had with health care types in Tucson.

There was a local radiology clinic going around the room handing out brochures exhorting the women to get mammograms. Mind you, this was at a free clinic. Where in the heck were people going to scrape up the money to have one of these mammograms? And, if something’s wrong, pay for the treatment?

This is is bit of a sore spot with me because one of my cousins (who’s uninsured due to unemployment) has breast cancer that has spread to her bones. Getting treatment as an unemployed person has, shall we say, been a bit of a challenge. One that may well cost my cousin her life.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 13:43:46

Getting treatment as an unemployed person has, shall we say, been a bit of a challenge. One that may well cost my cousin her life.

Do you hear that all you supply-side, trickle down, wrap your self in the dollar flag “patriot” “Christians” who defend the status quo?

Don’t give me that Limbaugh crap about “everyone can get equal treatment”. I’ve seen the lie in that. God help that you never have to.

This is the system you’ve been brainwashed to defend. Your position is morally and economically indefensible.

Be ashamed.

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-08-17 16:20:50

There is NO system that can ensure quality medical care for everyone. It doesn’t exist.
Period. What we have are several types
of medical care that have evolved or morphed over time into what we have now. Socialized which works for a few, Semi- socialized which also works for a few, and capitalism which again works best for a few. The simple answer is that some will always get the best simply because they can afford it. The rest get the crumbs.

If you have a life threatening illness and can’t afford the medical expense, then you’re going to go a little sooner than expected. That’s it folks.

My friend who is just starting his chemo and radiation is getting double the medication because he CAN AFFORD IT! Medicare will
only do so much.

With this new system, it will only get worse.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 16:27:54

The simple answer is that some will always get the best simply because they can afford it. The rest get the crumbs.

You’re right. That answer is simple. But it’s true in the USA.

With this new system, it will only get worse.

Maybe for you. And maybe yes, before it gets better.

I think it might crash n burn and then go to a universal, tax based medicare type system where the well off will buy more coverage.

That’s fine with me.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-08-17 16:56:41

I’m with you, Rio. The selfishness of some is astounding!

I can’t be mean enough to wish something drastic happens to them so they get an opportunity to feel first hand what others experience, but……………

I do have to question the concept of empathy for some people, or at least their lack thereof.

I wonder if its lacking in some people? Is there a test to tell?

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-08-17 18:59:14

It boggles my mind that some people think that it all comes down to planning. I guess they have never experienced outrageous fortune. Planning helps, but some events cannot be planned for. And sometimes, it is a series of events. You plan for the first and the second, but by the third or fourth you are overwhelmed.

Fortunately, my 6 month old son planned well enough to be born to parents who cared about his ears in a country where care was available.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 20:34:44

Nothing bad ever happens to me
So why should I care?

Nothing bad ever happens to me
So why should I care?

- Oingo Boingo

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-08-17 21:50:44

The selfishness of some is astounding!

By that you mean the selfishness of people voting to use the fruit of others’ labor for their own personal benefit, right?

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-08-17 23:39:28

Some of us feel that the general good benefits us all. We have public education because an educated populace is fundamental to a healthy democracy. And before anyone starts in about the state of public education, most people who receive a public education can at least read.

I have pretty good health insurance. But I know what it is like to not have it. And it worries me that I could be without if I lose my job in the next few years before I qualify for Medicare. I will do my best to see that I don’t, but I have lived long enough to know that there are things beyond my control that can derail my plans.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 05:26:28

No quick fix for Fannie and Freddie seen from meeting

(Reuters) - The Obama administration will pick the brains of housing finance leaders on how to fix Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but made one thing clear on Tuesday: there is no going back to their pre-crisis structure.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, in excerpts of remarks to be delivered at a Treasury conference on restructuring the two government-controlled mortgage finance giants, called that task one of the most “consequential and complicated” problems facing the United States.

“We will not support returning Fannie and Freddie to the role they played before conservatorship, where they took market share from private competitors while enjoying the perception of government support,” Geithner said. “We will not support a return to the system where private gains are subsidized by taxpayer losses.”

Comment by CrackerJim
2010-08-17 07:08:06

Geithner said. “We will not support a return to the system where private gains are subsidized by taxpayer losses.”

Yeah, right!

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-17 07:22:20

Well ya supported it fully the last time and we are supposed to believe you are a hero. Tell me again why you shouldn’t be in prison?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 07:50:58

Taxes are for the little people.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-08-17 11:46:46

Is that because all of that “losses” stuff is already accounted for with taxpayer money?

 
 
 
Comment by Mike
2010-08-17 05:27:06

all this reminds of Lucent stock when it dropped from 75 to 50 it was good buy! when it dropped from 50 to 25 it was a terrific buy! from 25 to 10 an excellent buy! under 10 you better grab some they’re making a comeback! Only difference here the government was not giving you $8,000.00 to buy some.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-17 05:38:28

That “sales pitch” is true of ALL stocks. Just like houses, there is NEVER a bad time to buy. Brokers want you to be ALL IN, all the time. There is never a good time to sell.
But unfortunately, the game is rigged. So the perception is that stocks will rise over time, if you just stay in for the long run and “buy on the dips”. It’s all a lie.
Whenever companies used in the indexes are going down, they are dropped from the index and replaced by the best company going up.
In other words, the losers were SOLD and the winners were bought.
Many companies go to ZERO.
If you buy the “dips”, you are buying what they are trying to sell.
It’s a tough game, and the “long run” is disguised by index manipulation, and the FED’s inflation of the currency.
But even if you followed the indexes by using an index fund, what would be your return over the last 10 years? It would be negative, even before devaluing the dollar, which is highly depreciated.
Be careful out there. Snake oil salesman, stockbrokers, banksters and Used house salesmen are waiting to take your money.

Comment by obamanator
2010-08-17 06:30:30

Diogenes, you don’t know how true your words are. I was in the stock business for over 20 years, and had more licenses and designations than I can remember.

Let me sum up the investment industry in a few words:

A LICENSE TO STEAL

99% of the people in the industry are no better than your typical used car salesman. No ethics, morals, or sense of decency. I’ve worked for major money center banks, wirehouses, and small firms. The only difference is the big boys have the $$ to pay off the SEC better. If you really believe that ANYONE is looking out for your best interest besides YOU, wake up. 70% of all trading is now done by programs and HFT. The average retail customer doesn’t have a chance against GS. The average broker recommends what his firm is pushing or what his buddies are buying.

The ONLY person you should ever consider letting handle your money is a FEE BASED licensed CFP, and let them know that you and your lawyer will review every trade. If you ever hear the words variable annuity, UIT, limited partnership, mutual fund with a load, proprietary mutual fund, penny stock, CMO, or tax shelter RUN and take every penny away from the person. If you don’t understand what you are buying, don’t buy it. More often than not, the broker makes more than the customer each year on the account. Isn’t that a riot?

If the public really knew what goes on in the pits and trading rooms, they would never let these crooks handle one penny of their money.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-17 06:38:22

Thanks for the insiders view.

And please get that fool jim cramer off the air.He is such a liar and horrible stock picker.

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Comment by packman
2010-08-17 06:38:28

mutual fund with a load

May I ask a question about this? How exactly does a no-load mutual fund work - i.e. how does the broker get paid?

Is the distinction that “no-load” generally means there’s just a one-time brokerage fee, and the funds are generally just not “managed” as much (i.e. with constant trading going on under the hood) as a loaded fund?

As such - I think there are lots of places along the load spectrum, are there not? With “no load” being at one end - though it seems to me that that’s a misnomer - every mutual fund has to have some load just due to administrative costs, does it not? (e.g. if one of the equities in the fund goes belly up - someone has to do the logistics to clean it out of the fund)

Thanks.

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Comment by obamanator
2010-08-17 07:02:48

NEVER buy any mutual fund with a load- front or back end. That is ONLY there for the broker to get paid. Brokers that are commission based get paid a few ways on mutual funds:

1. On the load
2. On the annual fees- 12b1, etc

Think about this for a minute. If you pay 5% up front for a loaded fund, you have to make that up before you are break even! Also, no load funds usually have lower annual fees. For example, if one fund has an annual fee of 1% vs. many loaded funds of 2%, do a quick calculation of that 1% difference on your money over 10, 20 years. It is significant. 90% of all fund managers are sheep and buy the same stocks as the others.

The term “load” refers to the commission on either the front or back end. The annual fees are separate and in addition to the load. Every prospectus for every fund has a section that discloses all the loads, annual fees and what your costs will be. The broker should disclose that prior to your purchase. If not, he violated a few SEC laws. That’s how they make their money- loads and annual residuals. On no loads, a commission broker makes nothing. That’s why they will never sell you one.

When I was in the business, I used only no load funds as I was fee based. Look at Vanguard and the other top no load companies. Sure, I made money on the annual residuals from the funds, but it was a small fraction compared to what I could have made by screwing people over in the higher annual fee funds. Every fund has annual fees. You need to be aware of them and how they impact your return. If they recommend their house family of funds, run. They usually get paid more to do so and the funds usually suck.

To continue my rant, ignore Morningstar. They are useless and their ratings are for what happened in the past. Their 5 star funds are usually funds that have already ran up and are in favor NOW. It’s like investing looking in your rear view mirror. Same for all of these rags that tell you the 10 funds to own now, etc. Do you own DD. There are tools available where you can screen out funds by fees, performance, turnover, and style.

IMO, I would avoid ANY fund that charges a load, as 90% of all funds can’t beat their benchmark index. If the fund is an index fund, then there is no ‘active’ management needed, and the fees should be minimal. A ‘managed’ fund exists because the manager is supposed to be able to trade and outperform the index. However, the fund manager doesn’t care about YOUR taxes, he cares about HIS performance. That is how HE is paid, so watch the turnover %. FYI, most mutual funds end their year in OCT, so they will be locking in their gains, selling losers soon to lock in THEIR bonuses.

Finally, be cautious about buying ANY fund at the end of the year in a taxable account, before inquiring if they are going to distribute a capital gain. You will essentially be paying taxes for the whole year of gain in the fund.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-17 07:51:05

Thanks a bunch for the info! I do use Vanguard actually (though I’m still mostly in cash at this point).

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-17 08:17:57

Ha, Many Thankxs obamanator! I’ve learned to just watch the “actions” of my conniving older brother, he gets a certain smirk on his face when he’s found a way to earn “money for nothing”.
It’s as plain as day… :-)

I was in the stock business for over 20 years

Let’s review content for logical deductions:

1. Bingada
If you really believe that ANYONE is looking out for your best interest besides YOU, wake up.

2. Bangada
Do you own DD

3. BOOM!
If you don’t understand what you are buying, don’t buy it

 
 
 
Comment by The_Overdog
2010-08-17 07:47:13

Whenever companies used in the indexes are going down, they are dropped from the index and replaced by the best company going up.
————————————————–
Every stock index out there is weighted and scaled with a defined divisor to the price to take stocks dropping out of the indexes into account. So what you have implied (that indicies are manipulated by removing bad stocks) is 100% incorrect.

The markets are filled with snake oil salesmen, but you can be assured that the Dow Jones and S&P, and others are comparable back to their original openings.

Comment by obamanator
2010-08-17 08:12:14

One final thought. NEVER invest in a stock based on the brokerage firm’s BUY or SELL recommendation. Most of the time the BUY or SELL is at the exact opposite of what you should actually do at that time. Remember, these firms are selling their stock to YOU that they have in their inventory. I remember these firms with strong buys on all the Dot Com stocks all the way down to Zero, never once changing to a sell until the stocks were worthless. Regarding Cramer, he’s just another in a long line of Wall Street clowns that exemplifies what I have been saying. He screwed so many people, he had to leave the business, another Dan Dorfman. The only reason he made any money was because his wife was a decent trader at his firm. Cramer didn’t make those trades, she did. Cramer was one of the dirtiest SOB’s ever, that would float false stories and other illegal crap to scalp trade. You can google his “top ten to own” or something like that from 1999. All Dot.com losers that are worthless. Google “Lenny Dykstra and you will see how Cramer works. C’mon, who would take serious a guy that plays sounds while giving stock picks? Are you serious?

CNBC is nothing more than a 24/7 infomercial for Wall Street. The only honest guy on that channel is Santelli- Hanes used to be somewhat honest, but as you see, they pulled him from the prime am spot. I interviewed one of their talking heads about 10 or so years ago, Ted something for my radio show. He went off for 15 minutes on how the markets were great, buy, buy buy… I asked him where HIS money was. He was obviously caught off guard, probably never been asked that before, and reluctantly said “CD’s and money markets.”

Think

wholesale=them
Retail= YOU

It’s a casino. The odds are NOT in your favor.

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-17 09:35:45

There is never a good time to sell. Now that’s COMPLETLY wrong. You’ll never get a decent churn rate if you don’t get people to sell stock A so that they can buy stock B. And as a broker, the VERY BEST situation is where you have one client buying a stock as a different client sells it. ISTR that you can then pocket the cut that normally goes to the exchange.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-17 12:10:04

You completely misunderstood my point. CHURNING is not SELLING. It is simply transferring money from one stock to another. You are still ALL IN> as i noted.
When I refer to “selling”, I mean getting out of the market because your forsee a major correction. I got out 2 times since 1999. completely.
I went to cash. Since i can’t short mutual funds, i just sell and go away, waiting for a better opportunity.
Brokers will NEVER tell you to GET OUT of the market.
They are ALL IN, all of time….you can’t time the market, blah, blah,…..just stay with it for the LOOOONGGGG RUNNNNN>

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-17 12:33:03

Actually I understood your point, but my sarcasm warning light seems to be burned out…

 
Comment by obamanator
2010-08-17 13:12:20

Ok.. REALLY the last comment on this…LOL

I remember brokers back in the day….. these noble IB’s and broksters on Wall Street calling 100 of their “clients”- institutional, retail, funds, etc. They would recommend 50 to BUY a stock, the other 50 to SELL that SAME stock short for their portfolios.

They were a genius to 50 ‘clients” no matter what happened.

Lather
Rinse
Repeat

They would keep prospecting for new “clients’ with the same approach to replace the 1/2 they constantly lost money for.

Unfortunately, I have hundreds of stories like this. Trust me, if you knew 1% of how these clowns treat your money, the entire banking and finance system would meltdown.

Oh wait………..

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 20:49:03

What have I been saying folks?

Thanks obamanator. I’m just a guy who’s been studying Wall St as a laymen for decades, especially after the corporate coup d tat of the 1980s and the S&L disaster, and I came to the same conclusions about 10 years ago.

You CAN make money, just remember that you’re a small fish in a shark tank and don’t get greedy.

 
 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-08-17 05:42:01

And I know guys who continued to buy Lucent all the way down.

In 1999-or-so they were 401k millionaires and had discovered the Holy Grail. Now they are financially hosed.

Many took early retirement, so they not only lost all their money they also lost their cash flow.

Comment by packman
2010-08-17 06:12:37

Yep.

Know any that happened to become realtors in the 2003-2005 timeframe? I do.

Some people are just really good at riding bubbles down.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-08-17 06:34:36

Heh….. I know a few Lucent Losers. Talk about walking into a casino….. heh.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-17 09:38:54

Hey, I got a loan from my retirement plan and used it for part of the downpayment* on my house in the Summer of ‘99. In 2003 I paid it back and refi’d to a 15yr FRM. I may not be super smart, but BOY was I lucky with THAT timing.

*No MI or 2nd for me.

 
Comment by chiman
2010-08-17 09:54:49

I worked there when it was still called Bell Labs, and I still have a few contacts. Lucent stock cratered to 75 cents at one point. I’m not sure what the current Alcatel-Lucent stock value is; for sure the buy-and-hold guys took a beating.

At least they have something, though. Once-mighty Northern Telecom slipped under completely.

 
 
 
Comment by skroodle
2010-08-17 05:50:28

Irate law school grads say they were misled about job prospects

Seton Hall law school graduates Scott Bullock and Justine Zappone say they were dismayed at the meager opportunities and heavy debt they faced. He blogs about his frustration.

The angry rants first surfaced last summer on an anonymous New Jersey blog.

Law school is a “scam,” the blogger wrote. Administrators are greedy “charlatans” who could not care less about education, and students are but “hapless lemmings” who have been tricked into paying a fortune to enter “America’s most overrated, miserable and saturated industry.”

Within months, the blog was drawing up to 5,000 unique readers a day, many of whom praised the anonymous writer — known only as Law is 4 Losers — as a hero for exposing the lies they say they, too, were fed about secure jobs and generous incomes.

The blogger is Scott Bullock, a 2005 Seton Hall University School of Law graduate who agreed to reveal his identity to The Star-Ledger for this article. Yet Bullock, whose outrage stems from graduating with more than $100,000 of debt but meager job prospects, says he is merely tapping into a groundswell of resentment against the nation’s law schools.

Comment by combotechie
2010-08-17 06:43:19

Lawyers are getting screwed?

Relax, cook up some popcorn, an enjoy the Karma.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-17 08:00:41

BK, Taco-Bell, Wendy’s, and Mcdonald’s all have job opportunities for law-school grads. They are all equal-opportunity employers and will not discriminate against law-degrees.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-08-17 09:10:50

“Law school is a “scam,” the blogger wrote. Administrators are greedy “charlatans” who could not care less about education, and students are but “hapless lemmings” who have been tricked into paying a fortune to enter “America’s most overrated, miserable and saturated industry.”

Sheesh…and here I just thought Ol’ Lonely, the old Maytag reparman character, had a tough life !!

:)

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-08-17 09:20:46

I’ve been following the law school scam blogs for several months now. There are some really bad stories there– people who graduated with $150-200K in debt or more, and either can’t find a legal job, or wind up working in miserable, stressful conditions for low pay. The killer is that their debts, being student loans, are not dischargeable in bankruptcy, unlike mortgage loans. So they can potentialy be hounded for the rest of their lives.

I’m hoping that Wall St. has finally picked a fight with the wrong crowd. Maybe they will draw up a new constitution or something.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 09:47:57

I’m hoping that Wall St. has finally picked a fight with the wrong crowd.

Me too!

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-17 23:03:42

$150K in loans to be a glorified secretary…also not much work for paralegals either unless you have been working steady for the last 10 years.

Lots of legal work is boring and stressful, and its great if you have terrible people skills…I hear its hard to find people who love being alone in a room reviewing documents all day.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-17 09:42:42

Lawyers are like actors, a few at the top make the boatloads of cash that the rest merely aspire to. For most, they can either spend most of their time doing what is essentially clerical work, except that the firm can charge more if somebody with a JD does it or they can become “ambulence chasers” who “catch what they kill.”

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-17 09:55:19

They can’t even get a job at the Crescent Bar & Grill, due to its strict “no lawyers” policy. :lol:

http://www.no-lawyers.com/

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 11:03:27

I also like their “no kids” policy. If there’s one thing that really annoys me during a nice evening out, it’s some chowderhead who’s decided to bring the kiddies along.

Comment by Chris M
2010-08-17 13:49:55

If there’s one thing that really annoys me, it’s all the childless adults on this board who are so intolerant of kids. WTF?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 14:22:01

It depends on how the child is raised. Which goes back to parenting. Or the lack thereof.

My comment relates to the lack of parental discipline that’s all too apparent in many public places. But there are still a few parents out there who get it.

Case in point: A few years ago, I had a lunch meeting with the director of a local nonprofit organization. She brought her two children with her, and my first thought was, “Uh-oh.”

Well, at the beginning of the meeting, the kids came over and shook hands with me and the other adult who was attending. That impressed me.

Then they sat down and drew pictures.

We were meeting in a Vietnamese restaurant, and the kids ordered and ate the unusual food with nary a complaint. At the end of the meal, they showed off the pictures they’d drawn for us.

So much for “Uh-oh.” Those kids were delightful. And the parents deserve the lion’s share of the credit.

 
Comment by Chris M
2010-08-17 16:30:02

So, the kids who are tolerable to you are those who act like little adults? That sounds intolerant of kids to me. Kids are not little adults.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 16:50:36

Kids are not little adults.

Which is why, when I was growing up, we kids weren’t taken to sit-down restaurants until we knew how to behave properly.

It’s called teaching them good manners. Which used to be done much more often than it is now.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 20:55:01

Kids have do not the right, NONE to act however they please in public.

And in order for a child to become an adult, they must be trained throughout their entire childhood… something many (hell, most) adults are obviously lacking.

That training doesn’t have to be stifling, onerous or punishing, but training is required nonetheless.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-17 23:06:41

Just charge Full price for kids…NO discount….that should keep most of them away.

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Comment by TCM_guy
2010-08-18 05:50:40

I can think of many places where charging a premium for a kid would be appropriate. If the kids are going to be a disturbance to everybody else, then the parents can pay for that privilege. I don’t like hearing crying kids in a movie theater, for starters…

Not saying this rule should apply to places like Chuck_E_Cheese…

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-18 03:17:28

Actually that place is a sports bar, and I think the “no kids” policy may exist so that adult sports fans can feel free to use salty language while cheering on their teams.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-08-17 12:07:41

LOL. I’ve been traveling to Boise on biz for 12 years and never heard of the place. I’ll have to check it out next time I’m in town…

 
 
Comment by polly
2010-08-17 10:30:40

Did anyone catch this article in the NY Times earlier in the month?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/business/global/05legal.html?scp=1&sq=lawyers%20india&st=Search

Experienced US lawyers moving to India to set up legal outsourcing firms. Favorite part was the clients who admit they are OK with paying really big bucks for the superstars at their firms, just not with paying pretty big bucks for all the menial tasks the younger lawyers do to support the superstars. Of course, the only way the superstars got the experience to become experts was by doing the menial work in the first place - as was pointed out many times in the comments on the article.

I can’t begin to imagine how awful it must be to be graduating from law school now with 3 times the student loans I had and almost no chance of getting one of the jobs that let you pay off the loans. It must feel the weight of the world even for people who can move back to their childhood rooms. What about the ones who went to law school for a safe job that will let them take care of already existing families? It must be the kind of despair that gets people thinking about jumping out of windows.

Comment by TCM_guy
2010-08-17 11:29:41

http://tinyurl.com/INFLATED-LAW-SCHOOL-SALARY-JOB

What matters is that law schools remain over-hyped to keep superfluous students enrolled, and paying very large salaries to staff. Who in these law schools cares if these young lives are now ruined with worthless degrees, spending a lifetime paying interest on large non-dischargeable debts?

 
Comment by TCM_guy
2010-08-17 12:00:20

BEWARE BOGUS, INFLATED LAW SCHOOL SALARY/JOB STATS GIVEN OUT BY LAW SCHOOLS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc77AT9PLUc

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 12:23:28

What about the ones who went to law school for a safe job that will let them take care of already existing families? It must be the kind of despair that gets people thinking about jumping out of windows.

Or cleaning them. :(

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 20:58:36

I’ve cleaned windows. I’d rather jump put of one if those are my choices again.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-08-17 13:21:57

Being a patent attorney was a fabulous gig back in the 1980’s, since normal attorneys were unable to get in (to take the patent bar exam your undergraduate degree has to be from a short list of hard science or engineering majors). You could bill corporate clients $10K - $14K for drafting and filing an application, and they would gladly pay it.

When I got my license in 1996 it was still an OK gig but after about 10 years I knew the jig was up. Major corporations had discovered outsourcing the work to India. Patent prosecution, being non-time-critical, was an obvious choice for expensive legal work that could be outsourced.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-17 23:12:59

I guess this is what we look now for a secure job….time critical.

Maybe you should do evictions, that sure is time critical…..

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Patent prosecution, being non-time-critical

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 12:11:44

We have a software tester here with a JD. Young guy too. He did go to CU in Boulder, and while I’m not sure how much he spent on tuition it was probably less than at most private schoools.

He makes about 40-50K as a QA “engineer”.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 20:56:41

Law school is a scam and only interested in taking money from students? And this is different from other universities, how?

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-08-17 05:57:19

Another gem from Paul Craig Roberts. Without a revolution, Americans are history. The “revolution” means a drastic cut to the military/security complex budget and bringing back the offshored jobs. This guy knows whereof he speaks, having been assistant Treasury Secretary during Reagan’s first term.

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08162010.html

Comment by Lip
2010-08-17 07:15:49

From the article:

“Let’s get real. Here is what the government is likely to do. Once Washington realize that the dollar is at risk and that they can no longer finance their wars by borrowing abroad, the government will either “levy a tax on private pensions” on the grounds that the pensions have accumulated tax-deferred, or the government will “require pension fund managers to purchase Treasury debt” with our pensions. This will buy the government a bit more time while pension accounts are loaded up with worthless paper.

In other words, the savers will be the ones financing this decline into the abyss. IMO this is where the money lies and this is what the government is going to tax next. Anyone want to have a Teaparty now???

Comment by Rancher
2010-08-17 08:08:08

already happening.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-08-17 09:10:49

Anyone want to have a Teaparty now???

Would be quite happy to attend as long as Sarah, Rush & Beck are not invited….

Comment by exeter
2010-08-17 18:27:36

Entire country would attend tea party rallies if they weren’t co-opted by by pandering, sanctinonious, lying nut-jobs like Palin, Rash and Becky.

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-17 06:07:10

Just one more ‘report’ to add to the listing from today, from the Dept. of Housing and Urban Development (better known as HUD). I prefer Housing Undermining Dept:

HOUSING STARTS
Privately-owned housing starts in July were at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 546,000. This is 1.7 percent (±9.7%)* above the
9.7%) revised June estimate of 537,000, but is 7.0 percent (±7.5%)* below the July 2009 rate of 587,000.
Single-family housing starts in July were at a rate of 432,000; this is 4.2 percent (±8.7%)* below the revised June figure of 451,000.
The July rate for units in buildings with five units or more was 95,000.

Now, look real close at those numbers and see that the possible error in sampling exceeds the actual percent noted. There is a footnote to explain this at the bottom of the page:

* 90% confidence interval includes zero. The Census Bureau does not have sufficient statistical evidence to conclude that the actual change is different from zero.

So, even though they are reporting improvements, they don’t really know if any improvement has occurred. I would expect the NYT to report the final numbers with a puff -piece story about the economy improving, excluding the raw data which says they don’t really know what the heck’s going on.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 21:03:35

HUD couldn’t find their own backsides with a flashlight, map, GPS, a mirror and a personal coach.

HUD makes Fannie and Freddie look like paragons of honesty. Scary isn’t it?

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-08-17 06:25:03

Does anyone here on the HBB use over the air TV, as opposed to cable or satellite? Being a bit of a curmudgeon, I just refuse to pay for TV, that’s just me. I’m not judging anyone who does. I’m griping about the the so-called “digital revolution”. Here in the Tampa area, it really bites the big one. One of my local stations just disappeared during the changeover. Can’t get it anymore. When the weather deteriorates, so does the reception of those stations that are available.

Oh yah, that’s progress, right? I’ve never had the problems with analog that I do now. Just another modern “improvement”, boo-yah.

Comment by packman
2010-08-17 06:31:35

Would you like some clay pots in which to hold that whine?

;)

Comment by palmetto
2010-08-17 06:39:49

packman, I am using the above example of my experience to prove a point, which is the deterioration of goods and services, disguised as “progress”.

According to my friends who have satellite, it’s no bargain, at least not around here. It comes and goes with the weather.

Pay more, get less.

I was in the TeeVee biz back in the day. Among other things, I did license renewal for a local station. It was no joke. The mantra back then was “The airwaves must be free”.

The digital switchover was hailed with much fanfare. It blows, IMO.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-08-17 12:47:46

This is easy to fix. Put the TV out with the other trash.

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Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-17 06:40:45

Try hulu.com.They have some free stuff over there.Thank your govt for catering to the tv stations.

Comment by palmetto
2010-08-17 06:45:47

Yep, we’ve been taking advantage of hulu, it’s great. Also Crackle.

I’m not sure it was the tv stations the gov’t was catering to. More like the cable and satellite providers. Force people into paying for TV, when they shouldn’t have to. We called the local station that we lost to let them know we could no longer watch it. They didn’t give a crap. Years ago, they would have been squealing.

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Comment by Bronco
2010-08-18 09:07:57

I wish I could ditch the cable, but the only channels I care to watch are the History Channel and Discovery.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-17 06:43:41

It’s not just you. I, too, refuse to pay $50 a month(basic) to have advertisers promote their products while viewing various programs.
I am north of you, almost directly, and the old transmitting towers were typically in Ruskin. I assume the digital bands are the same.
We should get about the same reception. Mine is good on clear days, and the antennae must be adjusted continuously when the winds are up. The stations will cut out regularly. I have found that WIND is the main factor here. I thought it would be rain/lightning/storms, but find they are primary sources of wind generation.
I really thought with “digital transmission”, wind would have no effect.
Contrarily, clear days with high wind give me bad reception.
The good news.
When reception is bad, I turn it OFF. I go find a book, get on-line, or study music theory. A more judicious use of my time.
I am sure you will find the “benefits” of this new technology will soon accrue to your life, also.

Comment by palmetto
2010-08-17 07:13:44

diogenes, I spend a lot more time on the internet than I do watching TeeVee and reading is one of my fave pastimes, ever since I wuz a pup. In fact family and friends used to yell at me “Always got your nose stuck in a book”. Nothing like a good book.

However, there are times, especially when I’ve been out in the heat, that I just want to veg in front of the tube with a glass of water. It pisses me off when I can’t get a station I used to be able to get.

PCR (Paul Craig Roberts) did a great column on the deterioration of the “communications” industry in the US.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-17 08:20:42

I’ve worked out the mindless veg out part, too. Try the AM band on the radio. Lot’s of working stations. At night, on AM band you can usually get some atmospheric skip.
I’ve tuned into stations in North Carolina, Georgia and even Kentucky from down here in Tampa. Reception varies and quality of broadcast on the skip is weak, but, hell it’s cheap entertainment. Got a shortwave, too. you can pick up all kinds of stuff on that band.
And if you really feel the need to be up on the latest “news” and information, try a police scanner that also picks up local airport traffic and side-band scans. You can know before it ever gets to the news that someone near you has been gunned down by the local drug gangs.
Anyway, I’m signing off this band for the rest of the day. Got work to do. Have a great afternoon.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 10:53:52

Anyway, I’m signing off this band for the rest of the day. Got work to do. Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)

Wait….
…then how are you going to call me more names?

 
Comment by mikey
2010-08-17 15:27:20

:) lol

+5

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-17 23:44:58

I have a rare Magnovox d2999 i bought maybe 20 years ago, i love scanning the airwaves. just finding new things to listen to… amazing kids today have no clue what shortwave is…

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/4939

Got a shortwave, too. you can pick up all kinds of stuff on that band.

 
 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-08-17 15:01:36

I find wind to be the limiting factor as well. During the winter here we’ll get a lot of rain, and I thought that was the problem as well. But for two weeks a year, it’s really cold and really windy here, but clear. On those days, I have a big problem with reception. I usually only watch sports when I turn on the tube so it’s usually an event I really want to see and I’m usually a little grumpy when I can’t.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-17 07:24:28

I’m an air-head too. If we had cable, I’m afraid the kids would watch more TV and do less homework. And it’s all going internet on demand anyway.

Digital TV is either great or missing. As a result of the transition, I lost a public TV station but gained Universal Sports, which is like the old Wide World of Sports and I really like it.

There are additional issues in New York. Our broadcast tower went down with the World Trade Center, and the signal from the Empire State Building isn’t as good.

Back when I was a kid, pre-cable, we were blessed with three NY-centric local TV stations with all kinds of great stuff. These later became part of additional networks. You’d have local sports on the local stations every night, with the road games of the Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Nets, Rangers, etc. Now, they have their own cable networks you have to get cable and pay extra for, and there is only one game on free TV per week.

The good news is, they brought back the Yule Log. And when the digital signal fades and freezes, you get a perfect full color abstract painting right on the screen.

Comment by palmetto
2010-08-17 07:44:46

“The good news is, they brought back the Yule Log. And when the digital signal fades and freezes, you get a perfect full color abstract painting right on the screen.”

OK, now that just too funny, right there. LMAO!

Growing up in the NY burbs, my experiences were similar.

Of course, something tells me we may have a lot more to be disturbed about here in the US shortly.

I just see it as a mark of how we’re going backwards.

I recall when cable was supposed to be commercial-free and funded by cable fees. They went for the shrimp AND lobster. They got it.

I take these corporate “tweaks” as insults.

Comment by oxide
2010-08-17 11:13:09

I’m glad somebody else remembers this. I used to wonder if I was hallucinating that memory.

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Comment by aznurse
2010-08-17 08:36:51

OTA in Phoenix. Use Netflix DVD/streaming. No need for cable or satelite.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-17 09:46:05

The metromedia stations became O/O Fox stations.

 
 
Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 08:08:41

Didn’t you figure it out? The digital conversion was a give away to the makers of the box. $50 of which $40 was paid by the govt. Millions and millions of sales.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-17 08:59:11

I am cheap and only get OTA broadcast TV. If I want some special program badly enough, there’s always DVD.

Here in Boise the transmitters are on a mountain up by Bogus Basin ski resort at about 7,000 feet - and the valley floor is around 2,700 feet. You do the math. We have direct line-of-sight to the towers anywhere in the valley. There also are not any objects that would induce multpath distortion, a bane of ATSC OTA. As a result my OTA reception is just as solid as cable or satellite.

There are no mountains in Florida - it’s as flat as a pancake. Hence I’m not surprised that OTA reception there is dismal.

Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 10:12:21

“Bogus Basin ski resort”

Excellent!

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-17 11:45:20

Huh?

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Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 12:18:40

Bill & Ted.

Come on, you don’t know Bill & Ted?

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-17 13:41:06

Huh? Is that some network TV show?

 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-08-17 09:11:20

Never had cable never will.

The deterioration in services and increase in costs is what you get when there is an oligopoly.

I’ll rent movies when i need them.

This is exactly why I am in favor of socializing cable lines. Then anyone who wants access to those lines for content pays a small fee. Anyone who wants to sell content on those lines pays a small fee and then charges the customer what the market dictates. Companies would be free to create package deals but they would have to compete with the free market.

Currently cable tells you what you get and you have no choice. If you want espn you have to buy a bunch of other crap you don’t want.

Google Verizon and the others are working to take the cable model to the internet. Then they will slowly crush content providers like HBB by slowing the rate of transmission and charging large fees.

Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 10:21:40

“Currently cable tells you what you get and you have no choice. If you want espn you have to buy a bunch of other crap you don’t want.”

To a point. But there are several packages available where you can choose how much or how little you get above the base. To say you have “no choice” is untrue.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 12:48:45

That’s right, you take the 100 channel, 150 channel, 200 channel or the 300 channel package.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-08-17 15:08:20

Agreed. A la carte cable would be great for me. $20 per month for local stations plus ESPN, History, Discovery and I think I’d be good. Instead they get $0 from me.

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Montana
2010-08-17 09:37:04

Yes I dropped cable early this year and just get over-the-air. It took a few tries to get all the local ones programmed in, but works fine now. But because it’s so bad I don’t watch it much, just morning and evening local news, which is bad enough. I don’t care about TV enough to even look into satellite. Got Netflix but I am tired of movies now too. They take too much time to watch.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-08-17 10:01:04

Telecoms WANT the “public option” TV to be crappy so they can sell you their premium service.

As long as I get PBS and PBS Create, I’m happy.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 11:05:54

And a television-free Slim likes the fact that PBS shows like News Hour and Frontline are on the ‘Net.

 
 
Comment by rusty
2010-08-17 10:12:00

We use OTA, using antennas way up in the attic. We get plenty of channels, and it only gets spotty when it rains sometimes. Which channel is missing? We did have to rescan all the channels after the digital conversion, have you done that yet? WE did lose a channel or two initially , but after the rescan we were good again.

The trick is to get as high up with the antenna as you can. Rabbit ears will not do the trick (we tried miserably). From the attic we plugged right into the existing cable system left over from some prior DISH setup, and then just plugged the digital set top box into the wall.

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-17 13:37:10

Palmy didn’t describe his setup. The problem with ATSC reception is both signal strength and multipath distortion. You need a big “rooftop” antenna to get good ATSC OTA reception. The big antenna doesn’t just give more signal strength but also gives directional gain to defeat those multipath signals. I bought a big antenna at Home Despot for about $35 and put it up in the garage attic crawlspace, pointed at Bogus. I then wired it into the house. Since my house was pre-wired with RG-6 for cable service, and the wire ran across the garage, this wasn’t any big deal.

Also there is a BIG difference between makes and models of set-top boxes.

 
 
Comment by redmondjp
2010-08-17 15:46:28

Yes,
This whole digital transition has been a huge scam to force millions of people into paying for channels that they used to get for free.

You see, the analog VHF station signals could go for up to 100 miles, allowing those in rural areas to still pick up free TV with a good antenna setup. And with the analog signal, it was still watchable even if somewhat weak.

But now, we have all-or-none digital, and the big kicker is that it is mostly broadcast on UHF frequencies which are lucky to travel a third as far as the VHF ones. And if the digital signal is a bit weak, forget it, you can’t watch at all!

I’m in Redmond, WA just east of Seattle, and used to be able to pick up all of the major networks on VHF analog stations from Seattle. Now, since they have all switched to UHF digital, I can no longer get any of the major networks including PBS at my home (so I lost ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, and PBS in the digital transition) and yes, I have a good rooftop-mounted antenna. I have also tried several different brands of digital converter boxes with no luck.

I complained to one of the local TV stations and their engineers could not offer me any help (as I knew beforehand).

So now I pay Verizon, uh scratch that, now Frontier, big bucks just to watch the stations I used to get for free.

Ain’t progress grand?

Comment by drumminj
2010-08-17 22:53:20

I’m in redmond as well. Good to know it’s not just me. I get ION, and….Qubo or whatever. That’s about it.

Needless to say I don’t watch much TV.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-17 23:55:28

redmond hbb meet up? take pix and send to ben…It cool how so close some peeps live to each other.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-17 23:24:05

Palmy:

The digital converter box works fine in NYC..get all the channels, 3 pbs channels, plus weather, sports, fox, NBC 24 hour channels, a nyc traffic channel, some nyc city channel, all over the air plus about 6 Spanish ones…you just need a good antenna outside or near a window or those radio shack amplified ones…

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-08-17 06:41:49

Question of the day:

What would mortgage rate - currently at historic lows - look like if 9 out every 10 loans was not backstopped by the U.S. government?

Comment by exeter
2010-08-17 06:55:46

hint: You might be getting 8% on your CD’s.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-17 07:30:50

The problem is that the fed and member banks are bidding up treasury prices and forcing yields down.If the feds and member banks wernt creating this artificial demand I think rates would be around 7-8%.What is happening right now makes no sense at all.It’s all about getting people to buy homes.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-08-17 15:14:48

“It’s all about getting people to buy homes.”

But why? What’s the end game?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 07:43:45

‘Nother hint: It might not be necessary for Uncle Sam to finance 95% of all new mortgage loans at the cost of massive taxpayer-funded GSE losses.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-08-17 06:57:45

mortgage rates

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-17 07:29:45

Who “backstops” the US Government?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 07:46:19

Whoever would be earning higher returns on their private investments if they were not getting rerouted into Wall Street’s coffers backstops the US government.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 08:01:11

To elaborate on this a bit, recall that the Fed is owned by private banking interests, who also happen to own the toxic MBS. Pushing interest rates down to zero effectively transfers wealth from savers who rely on interest earnings into the hands of banksters and wealthy investors who own toxic MBS.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-17 08:35:20

Pushing interest rates down to zero effectively transfers wealth from savers who rely on interest earnings into the hands of banksters and wealthy investors who own toxic MBS

Stop it!… you’re starting to scare the wee lil’ ones again

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 09:26:12

The other group who backstops the U.S. govt (or at least the international banking interests who own it) under current housing policy is any U.S. citizen who needs a place to live. Housing prices and rents are driven sky high by pushing interest rates to the floor and guaranteeing almost all new mortgages. Bubble-era home prices and rents are maintained on a quasi-permanently-high plateau.

 
 
 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-08-17 12:49:44

Tens of thousands of nuclear weapons.

Uncle Sam is slowly turning into a crazy junkie waving the Glock around and demanding money.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 07:28:45

Am I just tired, or is the first paragraph of this article as bass-ackwards as it seems to me?

Aug. 17, 2010, 10:02 a.m. EDT
Geithner: Housing system needs government support
HUD chief Donovan urges reduced Washington involvement in mortgages

By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — If there were government support for the housing finance system, future economic downturns could be harsher, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Tuesday at a conference on the future of housing finance.

Comment by packman
2010-08-17 07:58:44

I think you got the quote wrong. Below is pasted from the article…

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Without government backing for the housing finance system, future economic downturns could be harsher, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Tuesday at a conference on the future of housing finance.

“Without such support, the risk is that future recessions could be more severe because the financial system would not have the capital to support mortgage lending on an adequate scale,” Geithner said.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 08:11:19

I just copied and pasted; they subsequently revised the paragraph.

Comment by packman
2010-08-17 08:38:54

Yeah I was wondering.

A really big boo-boo on MarketWatch’s part. The quote they originally posted is completely opposite.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 09:23:41

I preferred the original version, as saying completely opposite things in a short passage is a prototypical propaganda technique.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 08:01:50

Looks like Tim just spoke the truth.

 
Comment by packman
2010-08-17 08:04:20

Hmmm…

One side of the mouth:

“Without such (government housing) support, the risk is that future recessions could be more severe because the financial system would not have the capital to support mortgage lending on an adequate scale,” Geithner said.

Other side of the mouth:

Geithner said. “We will not support a return to the system where private gains are subsidized by taxpayer losses.”

So - which is it, Timmy? Is there going to be government support of housing, or not? Or do you simply just not realize that taxpayers actually pay for the government in this (and every other) country? Do you somehow believe that there’s some magic money fairy that pays for all this stuff?

Oh wait - there is.

He’s found the loophole! The taxpayer isn’t going to actually pay for this stuff, through taxes - the general public is - through inflation.

Nevermind the fact that the “taxpayer” group and the “general public” group overlap, by about 100%.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 08:14:00

“The taxpayer isn’t going to actually pay for this stuff, through taxes - the general public is - through inflation.”

Don’t forget about future bailouts… pretty much baked into the cake with ‘free’ (unfunded) govt insurance…

 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-17 08:16:50

Taxpayers who shouldn’t pay: those over 55.

The general public who will have to pay: those younger.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-17 08:33:48

Half the population pays no Income Tax. Welfare will just have to rise to pick up the slack as sales-tax increases and inflation gets worse. I wonder what the exact date will be when a jobless welfare recipient’s income will surpass that of the average worker?

Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 10:13:54

In 5..4…3…2..1

bbbbut the 1/2 that pays $0 income tax pays sales tax and stuff so they deserve all the freebies.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 11:06:41

In 5..4…3…2..1 bbbbut the 1/2 that pays $0 income tax pays sales tax and stuff

Hmmmm, you’re getting better Eddie but pay attention. Here’s how to do it. Here’s just one of many studies. (And this study did not even include payroll tax, SSI or medicare tax)

State & Local Taxes Hit Poor & Middle Class Far Harder than the Wealthy Citizens for Tax Justice

By an overwhelming margin, most states take a far greater share of income in taxes from middle- and low-income families than from the wealthy, according to a new study by Citizens for Tax Justice and the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.

“State and local governments are being called upon to take on more and more responsibilities,” said Michael P. Ettlinger, CTJ’s tax policy director and lead author of the study. “Unfortunately, when it comes to paying for services, most states currently have extremely unfair tax systems.”

Sad National Norm: Soak the Poor and Middle Class to Spare the Rich

Nationwide, the study–Who Pays?–found that middle- and low-income families pay much higher shares of their income in state and local taxes than do the very well-off:

* The average state and local tax on the richest families is only 7.9%.

* Families in the middle of the income spectrum pay 9.8% of their incomes in state and local taxes–a rate one-quarter higher than the rate on the wealthy.

* The poorest families pay a whopping 12.5% of their meager incomes in state and local taxes.

The Kind of Tax Matters

As the above discussion indicates, the study found that the kind of taxes that a state imposes on its citizens makes a huge difference.

* State and local income taxes are typically progressive. On average, poor families pay only a fourth the effective income tax rate that the richest families pay, and middle-income families pay about three-fifths the effective rate on the well-to-do.

* Property taxes, including both taxes on individuals and business taxes, are usually somewhat regressive.

* Sales and excise taxes are very regressive. On average, poor families pay more than six times as high a share of their income in these consumption taxes as do the best-off families, and middle-income families pay at four times the rate of the wealthy.

 
Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 13:44:44

LOL Citizens for Tax Justice. Dude if you’re going to try and make a point at least have a source that is somewhat, even remotely credible.

Here is a list of this org’s board members:

John Sweeney, President AFL-CIO
Larry Cohen, President Communications Workers of America
Ron Gettelfinger, President, UAW
Maude Hurd - ACORN

Do you seriously expect anyone to believe any “analysis” this group puts together? You are a trip man, really you are.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 15:44:36

Do you seriously expect anyone to believe any “analysis” this group puts together?

Of course I do because math is math. Show me another study instead of just your hot air all the time. Show me another study including all taxes.

You are a trip man, really you are.

I guess it could seem trippy getting your clock-cleaned on a regular basis.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 12:24:42

“I wonder what the exact date will be when a jobless welfare recipient’s income will surpass that of the average worker?”

The states are already broke and the waiting lists for Section 8 housing are years long in many places.

Welfare’s going away cuz there’s no mo’ money.

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Comment by drumminj
2010-08-17 22:54:57

Welfare’s going away cuz there’s no mo’ money.

Wait, you mean someone’s actually got to work and pay for it?! And here I thought it simply came from the “government”….

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 21:14:08

Half the population pays no Income Tax.

This has been proven false time and time again and shown to be an outright lie and neocon disinformation.

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Comment by drumminj
2010-08-17 22:56:45

This has been proven false time and time again and shown to be an outright lie and neocon disinformation.

eco, I’ve never seen anyone refute this statement. INCOME tax?

Perhaps not true if you include state income taxes, but looking at federal income taxes exclusively, I believe it’s a true statement. Do you have data to refute it?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by mikeinbend
2010-08-17 07:46:50

recontrust has 565 foreclosures set up to sell in Descutes county, population 175k(approx)

Recontrust has 503 set up to sell in Clackamas county, pop. 350k

All real estate is local! Bend has been the fastest growing, then the fastest shrinking, place to live in the last few years

 
Comment by obamanator
2010-08-17 08:31:50

Unless WE do something to stop this out of control spending and taxation, we are going the way of Greece.

I say cut the pay of ALL CONgresscritters in HALF. They can get the OTHER half as a BONUS ONLY if they balance the budget every year. They get FIRED if they don’t

Simple.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-17 09:00:20

More importantly, cut their pensions 100% - make them have to contribute to a 401k. Make them be subjected to the same health care bs that we are.

Congressional perks and pensions are why I do not want term limits. If representatives have 2 year term limits, we’d have 535 people every two years getting into a fat cat pension system. In 20 years about 5300 people would have those expensive perks.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 09:51:52

Make them be subjected to the same health care bs that we are.

To a certain extent, they already are.

Last summer, I attended a Vermont town hall hosted by Sen. Bernie Sanders. At which he said that he was on the same Blue Cross health insurance plan as his secretary. His take on that plan: “It ain’t that great.”

Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-17 12:02:28

But as a really LARGE employer, the government can offer employees (to include congressmen) a better deal than most Americans can get.

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Comment by butters
2010-08-17 09:31:58

Talk about penny wise and pound foolish.

Congress pay is a drop in the ocean. Actually I think they need to be raised. What we need to stop is spending on useless wars, never ending bailout and corrupt government programs (actually most government programs).

Comment by oxide
2010-08-17 10:05:39

No way. This is penny foolish but VERY pound wise. If you cut the pay of the right people, things start happening which are VERy good for the public.

Exhibit A: Ken “Pay Czar” Feinstein cut the CEO pay of banks who took TARP — maybe a hundrend million or so. Who cares. BUT the result was that banks, who been using TARP as petty cash for gambling instead of shoring up the bank, “suddenly” found the money to pay back TARP. Taxpayer was paid back.

 
Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 10:18:28

“useless wars”.

So Afghniastan is useless too? I was told umpteen times prior to 1/20/09 that Iraq = bad but Afghanistan = good.

What happened? Now it’s not a “useless war” it is “useless wars”.

The liberal rallying cry was get out of Iraq and finish the job in Afghanistan. I see now the new rallying cry is surrender everywhere ASAP. I have to give Obama credit here. He has turned a blind ear to the surrender now crowd.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-17 10:46:28

We need to get the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and get them in Saudi Arabia where we might finally hurt the people behind 9/11.

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Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-08-17 12:52:00

I was all gung ho for Afghanistan after 9-11, too. I was dead wrong. As Bin Ladin knew, Afghanistan is a military tarbaby. We can’t, win, we can’t fix it, and will bleed ourselves dry trying if we don’t face facts.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-18 00:02:41

Russ….you are right because we are aiming at the wrong targets…its not the military or the people its the mosques that are the enemy.

what is being taught to those people to make them killers needs to be destroyed.

And we must defeat the taliban since they destroyed all the poppy fields while in power and we cant allow our needle addicts to go cold turkey.

 
Comment by robin
2010-08-18 03:19:06

Russ is right.

Robin

 
 
 
Comment by obamanator
2010-08-17 10:47:35

It is certainly not penny wise. Cutting the pay on those RESPONSIBLE for the mess we are in and making their pay PERFORMANCE based is the best thing we can do. How many of these crooks will want to do that job if they know they cannot come out on the other side a multi millionare? Let’s see how many of these crooks still want the job.

They have a much better healthcare plan than most of us can get. They get most of their benefits, expenses, travel, etc. for FREE. They get a pension, haircuts, you name it that the private sector does not. They are paid almost 3x what the average private sector worker makes. We have evolved into a banana republic with an elitist government class, and the rest of us. Why is it that the average govt worker makes TWICE the average private sector worker?

I agree with the corrupt programs and endless bailouts, but that ties into my logic. You cannot appropriate funds for any of these unless you produce a REAL balanced budget each year. No off budget tricks or shadow accounting. No emergency spending unless it is a natural disaster or for war.

As far as useless wars, wasn’t Afghanistan the “correct” war and “Iraq” the wrong war for 8 years? Stop with the political talking points. the #1 priority is to defend this country. Period. All wars are “useless”, except they defend our country. What we should stop doing is paying to keep our troops stationed all over the world in places where the local country should be responsible, and bring these troops home to protect our borders. We cannot afford to support 15-20 million illegal aliens- education, health care, welfare, etc. Deport them all. NOW. They broke the law and should not be rewarded for doing so.

Bottom line. Make these crooks spend LESS than what the govt takes in for tax receipts each year, and live within our means. Follow the constitution. If they don’t balance the budget each year, then they are fired, that will make them HAVE to work together. Fire them ALL if needed, that way they have no choice but to do what is right. The only thing these crooks care about it keeping their job.

 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-08-17 08:52:08

Scientists Say as Much as 79% of Oil Remains in Gulf of Mexico

A group of scientists says as much as 79 percent of BP Plc’s leaked oil remains in the Gulf of Mexico, challenging an Obama administration assessment that the crude is largely gone or rapidly disappearing.

Most of the oil that leaked from BP’s Macondo well from April 20 to July 15 is still beneath the water’s surface, scientists including Samantha Joye, a professor of marine sciences at the University of Georgia in Athens, concluded in a memo made public yesterday. The researchers say they drew upon the U.S. government’s study while reaching different conclusions.

The Obama administration’s Aug. 4 report indicated that almost three-fourths of the crude that leaked has disappeared or soon will be eaten by bacteria. Jane Lubchenco, administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, has said at least half of the oil released is now “completely gone.”

Chemist Dana Wetzel said that conclusion felt like the “closing credits of a movie.”

“It’s like they were saying ‘the end,’” Wetzel, program manager at Mote Marine Laboratory in Sarasota, Florida, said in an interview last week. “I’d say we have just gotten through setting up the plot.”

Comment by lavi d
2010-08-17 11:57:43

challenging an Obama administration assessment that the crude is largely gone or rapidly disappearing.

The fish are all driving Escalades.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 21:17:28

Top down, chrome spinnin’!

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-17 08:56:54

Seems the State & the Fed’s aren’t seeing eye to eye…(hardy har har)

What blinded 8 veterans? State still clueless, one year later:
August 17th, 2010, by BRIAN JOSEPH, Sacramento Correspondent OC Register

“…And then there’s the case of David E. Woodward, Sr.vs. the United States of America, a medical negligence case filed in U.S. District Court in the Northern District of California. Woodward claims in his suit that he received treatment from optometrists at the Palo Alto VA and was informed by the VA in July 2009 that the optometrists had misdiagnosed his glaucoma, which has caused him to lose vision.

The suit states that VA officials “disclosed to the plaintiff and plaintiff’s wife that an internal breakdown occurred within VAPAHCS (Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System) which began with an improper evaluation of plaintiff’s glaucoma condition in 2005 and also a failure to refer plaintiff to Ophthalmology in 2005.”

The suit also names an additional three optometrists — all of whom appear in the board’s database of California licensed optometrists.

For those of you counting at home, that’s 10 California licensed optometrists the state could be investigating.

Now, in the state’s defense, Consumer Affairs and Board of Optometry spokesman Russ Heimerich says the state needs more than just the names of doctors to conduct an investigation. It needs the names of victimized patients, too, and that’s what he says the state hasn’t been able to get from the feds.

Fair enough, but Dr. Craig Kliger, executive vice president of the California Academy of Eye Physicians & Surgeons, says it’s disturbing that these two government agencies can’t seem to cooperate on a probe of such public importance. Furthermore, he said the Woodward court case would seem to unearth enough public documentation to launch some sort of investigation at the state level.

“I believe it’s a breakdown in the system,” Kliger said. “It shouldn’t take a year.”

If we can ever get that correspondence from the state, may be we’ll see what’s taking so long.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-17 09:07:39

I hate reading an article which supports my thesis so well. Do I like it because it makes logical sense, or simply because it reinforces my own beliefs?

Here’s an article that says that low interest rates are DE-stimulating the economy by taking away the boomer’s discretionary income.

Low yields present retirees with a difficult choice: Accept the lower income offered by safer bonds, or take the risk of staying in the stock market. Either way, their predicament could put a long-term damper on the consumer spending that typically drives U.S. growth.

“If these rates stay as low as they are, then a lot more people are going to be hurting,” says Jack Van Derhei, research director at the Employee Benefit Research Institute. The non-partisan outfit estimates that if current conditions persist, nearly three in five baby boomers will be at risk of running short of money in retirement. “There are going to be many luxury items that will simply have to be eliminated,” for retirees to make ends meet.

 
Comment by polly
2010-08-17 10:06:41

What percentage of your income do you have to save for retirement if you can only count on 2% returns once you retire? What if you can only average 4% returns before retirement?

Most of the calculators that you see around the web default to 5% and 8% (or higher) for those two numbers. I’m thinking that the old 10% of income savings target rate is not going to make the numbers work out.

Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-17 11:08:36

That all depends on how late you retire, and how you live when you do.

I think the 20-plus years of leisure complete with bi-annual cruises by people who consider themsevles “middle class” is no longer going to work, if it ever did for anyone other than members of a subsidized privileged class.

As it happens, I have just completed a model, assuming (generously) a return of 4.0% over inflation, currently projected at 1.8% per year based on Treasury/TIPS spreads.

You start saving for retirement at 41 (after having saved for a downpayment, taken time off for parenting, paid off student loans, saved for the kids’ education earlier). You save 12.8% of your salary for 15 years until getting downsized at 55.

Then you take a lower paying job (because your cost of health insurance is higher) to get by until you (or your spouse) has ten years of life expectancy, at say 70.

Then you purchase an annuity that provides half your salary in the last year of your main career, adjusted upward for inflation from then to retirement, with the payment also adjusted for inflation thereafter. Lower inflation (or deflation) lowers the return, but also the cost of living. The annuity costs 2.5% of your balance per year, and is insurance against living longer.

That’s realism. You also need to pay off your house to cut your shelter costs, and live cheap.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-08-17 12:09:41

Well I’m maxing out the TSP ($16.5k) and a Roth IRA ($5k) on a gross pay of about 80k. AND I’ll still be eligible for the defined benefit portion of FERS. So you have some idea of what I think might be needed….LOTS O’ MONEY.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 21:27:57

I’d have to say the 6 recessions I’ve seen in the last 30 years has a lot more to do with loss of “discretionary” income than any other factor.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-17 09:11:49

I thought for a moment there was a “conundrum”, nope…just have to see beyond the first impression…(hardy har har again)

Its creator, a blind mathematician named Jim Miekka…

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The 50-year-old former physics teacher, who is an avid target shooter…

Technical Gauge and Its Creator Sense Stock Gloom; ‘Good Conspiracy Theories’?
Hindenburg Omen’ Flashes:
by Steven Russolillo and Tomi Kilgore / Monday, August 16, 2010

Technical Gauge and Its Creator Sense Stock Gloom; ‘Good Conspiracy Theories’?

The back story on the blind mathematician named Jim Miekka:
by WABI-TV5 News Desk - August 17th 2009 10:19pm - Read more Local News

“James Miekka of Surry is a target shooter with an accuracy most people would admire. He’s also completely blind.

His accuracy comes from his ingenuity.”

“My favorite thing is when I see somebody who’s never seen him shoot before. And if they watch him shoot, their jaw just drops open. And they go, ‘How does he do that?’” says Miekka’s neighbor, Robert Duhaime.

Miekka can’t see his target…he hears it, using an artificial vision system he designed himself.

“It requires an extreme amount of concentration,” Miekka says.

He shoots using instruments to do the same job as the eyes of sighted people, changing light into electric signals.

“So, I’ve taken the light I’ve converted to electricity, and then it travels down the cord which is the equivalent of your optic nerve. Finally, I have to take that signal and put it in a way my brain can decode it,” Miekka says.

For that, he uses sound. The sound frequency is proportional to the light intensity on the target.

“I hear tick, tick, tick and I scan around for black next to white, and very quiet next to very loud. That white on that target should be the loudest thing out there,” he says.

Neighbor Rick Zeamer helped Miekka, a former physics teacher, research the special photocells at the heart of the system, and calibrate the scope for his backyard shooting range.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 10:10:07

“…a blind mathematician named Jim Miekka… who is an avid target shooter…”

Let me guess: Is he also among Dick Cheney’s hunting partners?

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-17 09:57:36

Filed under: “Commonwealthy…vs…commonunwealthy” on with the “Games”!

(Hwy wonders if Talibanpakistan militant terrorist’s would consider this Trillion $$$$$$$$$$$$$ dollars as a type of “long-term” mal-investment for India?)

Leaky Delhi Stadium Seen as Boon for GMR, Reliance:
By Subramaniam Sharma / Aug. 17 (Bloomberg)

“…The nation’s Planning Commission said India will need to spend $1 trillion on highways, ports, airports and utilities between April 2012 and March 2017, twice the amount it recommended in the previous five years.”

For the Commonwealth Games, a contest that includes Britain and its former colonies and dependencies, the Indian capital added the airport terminal and is expanding the metro network, constructing an express rail link to the city center, restoring 46 monuments, and augmenting water and electricity supplies.

The airport building was ready in 37 months, faster than the 45 months Beijing took to complete its terminal ahead of the Olympics. Delhi airport is run by a venture consisting of Bangalore-based GMR, state-run Airports Authority of India Ltd., Frankfurt-based Fraport AG and Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd.

A venture between billionaire Anil Ambani’s Reliance Infrastructure and Spain’s Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles SA will operate the 23 kilometer rail link, cutting travel time by at least a third to 19 minutes. State-run Delhi Metro Rail Corp. built the viaduct and tunnel for the link.

“But I can assure the government engineers and contractors are very careful about the stability of the structures.”

 
Comment by measton
2010-08-17 10:27:06

On vacation in Co, wouldn’t want to own resort real estate wow.
A friend who built his dream home way out on a remote mountain is trying to sell it. I didn’t have the heart to ask him bout it.

Read an article by Kevin Hassett in the free local paper. This pig from the Am Enterprise Inst says this country should not be concerned with the steady declinine in manufacturing. He suggests taht we our economy is one of ideas. He says that the decline of manufacturing in 2009 to 11% of GDP is not a concern and that “any economist” would tell us that. He ignores the huge percentage of our economy that was nothing more than a bubble. He suggests that those who become unemployed due to the loss of manufacturing get training for the “new economy” What new economy you MF?? He doesn’t mention one specific. These pigs really want a country with no middle class only parasitic corporate titans deciding how much they can bleed from the masses.

I wonder what money pays for the free daily paper and Mr. Hassetts free article to dumb down the masses?

Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 10:37:19

You want manufacturing back? You need to do 3 simple things.

Get rid of unions
Get rid of OSHA
Get rid of the EPA

Until you do that, no sane investor will invest in a manufacturing plant in this country.

Why pay a union member $30 an hour for a job that can be done for $3 a day? And on top of that wade through thousands of regulations from osha, epa and the 500 new regulations coming from O-care.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 11:27:40

You want manufacturing back? You need to do 3 simple things.

1. Don’t listen to Eddie.
2. Don’t listen to crony-false-capitalists posers
3. Don’t listen to the MSM or MSM “economists”

Rather listen to stuff like this:

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08162010.html

The only way that the US will again have an economy is by bringing back the offshored jobs. The loss of these jobs impoverished Americans while producing oversized gains for Wall Street, shareholders, and corporate executives. These jobs can be brought home where they belong by taxing corporations according to where value is added to their product.

If value is added to their goods and services in China, corporations would have a high tax rate. If value is added to their goods and services in the US, corporations would have a low tax rate.

Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 13:37:48

Oh goodie another bureaucracy to determine what is value added and what isn’t. Do you ever have a solution to a problem that doesn’t involve more government?

I realize you have no business experience. But even a simpleton can understand that paying someone $30 an hour when the same job can be done for $3 an hour will not stay in business very long.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 13:54:56

Sorry Eddie,

“You got Punk’d”

again…

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-17 12:00:21

How do you explain Germany and Japan?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 12:06:40

We have to destroy America to save her, even if it means that everyone outside the professional and managerial class has to live in utter poverty.

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Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 12:17:35

Japan is in a 20 year recession.

Germany’s unemployment rate has been 5-6% higher than the US rate for decades. Until Obama came to power that is. He’s more German than Germans.

You’re right, we are going to be Japan/Germany.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-17 14:33:44

I guess I should have been more specific. How do you explain that Germany and Japan still have a strong manufacturing base despite the fact they’ve followed zero of your supposed requirements to do so?

 
Comment by exeter
2010-08-17 15:05:11

Did you expect an answer from the blog tard?

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-17 12:43:03

Single racial culture and paranoia of outsiders.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-17 17:39:55

We’ve got that here in Kentucky, but we’ve still lost a lot of manufacturing jobs.

 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-08-17 12:11:50

Get rid of unions

Yes, because 40-hour work weeks and vacations are so 1950’s

Get rid of OSHA

Employees crippled, maimed and blinded by unsafe working conditions are a great incentive for the rest of the slaves workforce to “Stay Safe”

Get rid of the EPA

Because burning rivers and gray, stinking sunsets are so pretty…

Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 13:35:44

Fine. Have the clean rivers and 40 hours weeks and everything else. Just don’t complain when there is no more manufacturing in this country.

You cannot have it both ways. Some of you act like 3 year olds. Sorry Johnny if you eat too much cake you will get sick and throw up. If you put up regulation after regulation, tax after tax and give unions absolute power, industry will leave. This is what happens when you allow socialists to run things. I thought we learned this lesson between 1917 and 1992. Guess we have short memories and have to learn it again.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 14:00:11

Fine. Have the clean rivers and 40 hours weeks and everything else. Just don’t complain when there is no more manufacturing in this country.

You cannot have it both ways.

Oh yes we can…

We just need a few more years, another steep downturn and a few more Un-Americans like you.

 
Comment by measton
2010-08-17 16:18:20

Eddie it would be very easy to have manufacturing and a clean environment. Just don’t allow countries that don’t follow labor and environmental standards to trade with us. We have a lot of natural resources we’ll be just fine. I would say that if we did this we would be much better off as a nation.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 16:42:35

Eddie it would be very easy to have manufacturing and a clean environment. Just don’t allow countries that don’t follow labor and environmental standards to trade with us. We have a lot of natural resources we’ll be just fine. I would say that if we did this we would be much better off as a nation.

Now why does the accused “leftist” sound more patriotic and loving of his country than the crony-”capitalist” Eddie who shows no love or respect for his own people, land or country? But rather just the love and respect for Mammon.

This is the narrative of our day.

 
 
 
Comment by pmseatac
2010-08-17 17:34:01

I worked in manufacturing for the first half of my career (electronics) and was never in a union. None of the companies I worked for was unionized; in fact unions were uncommon in the electronics industries throughout the U.S. Yet almost all of these jobs are gone now. Union membership has been very low throughout the economy for a long time.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 12:17:00

“He suggests that we our economy is one of ideas.”

That might work OK for those with substantially above average IQs. The rest will have to content themselves with menial jobs and poverty.

And as the lawyer thread illustrates, even having a fancy schmancy degree is no guarantee for success, especially when you have get yourself over 100K in debt to finance one.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 13:18:12

And as the lawyer thread illustrates, even having a fancy schmancy degree is no guarantee for success, especially when you have get yourself over 100K in debt to finance one.

A point that the Edububble blog keeps repeating.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-08-17 10:32:39

Oh Mr Bear, Mr. Gross is polishing his crystal clear ball again… ;-)

Gross Urges ‘Full Nationalization’ of Housing Finance:

Aug. 17 (Bloomberg) By Lorraine Woellert– Bill Gross, who runs the world’s biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co., said the U.S. should consider “full nationalization” of the mortgage- finance system as the Obama administration plots the revival of a market that was at the center of the 2008 credit crisis.

“To suggest that there’s a large place for private financing in the future of housing finance is unrealistic,” Gross said today at a U.S. Treasury Department conference in Washington. “Government is part of our future. We need a government balance sheet. To suggest that the private market come back in is simply impractical. It won’t work.”

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-17 10:53:28

“To suggest that the private market come back in is simply impractical. It won’t work.”

Wait, there was a private market?

 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-08-17 10:59:28

His views leaked out of the mortgage summit.

Geithner and Donovan want the Feds to back away from supporting housing, and not go back to the private profit public bailout model, but say there is no consensus on what to do.

The disappearance of private finance is due to falling prices. Which is due to prices getting inflated to begin with.

The first step is to require all mortgages packaged into securities to have 20% down (10% with mortgage insurance), be self amortizing in no more than 30 years, cost no more than 30% of a household’s income to purchase a home no more than 2 1/2 times that income.

That would ensure financing for affordable housing that was actually priced affordably.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 11:09:43

Geithner and Donovan want the Feds to back away from supporting housing, and not go back to the private profit public bailout model, but say there is no consensus on what to do.

Uh-oh! Panic in Tucson!

Reason: I’m fighting off this desire to kiss Geithner for, at last, telling us the truth. Eeek! I’ve never felt this way about him before. [Cue up the Joni Mitchell: "Help me! I think I'm falling..."]

 
Comment by JohnF
2010-08-17 11:56:44

The first step is to require all mortgages packaged into securities to have 20% down (10% with mortgage insurance), be self amortizing in no more than 30 years, cost no more than 30% of a household’s income to purchase a home no more than 2 1/2 times that income.

Those days are long gone I’m afraid……I think it’s FHA @3.5% down and ridiculous DTI’s for at least half the mortgages written for the foreseeable future…..you and I both know what would happen to prices if they implemented what you say - so do the Fed’s - ergo, it’s not gonna happen……

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 12:36:50

“The disappearance of private finance is due to falling prices.”

Private lenders cannot compete with a government determined to prop up housing prices by operating a mortgage lending system subsidized by perpetual losses that are charged to Main Street taxpayers. So far as I am aware, private firms have to turn a profit, or else go (or stay) out of business.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 12:29:52

“To suggest that the private market come back in is simply impractical. It won’t work.”

Why not first try a private market sans massive government intervention before making decisions as to whether or not free markets work.

One thing for certain: Pimpco investors would have a smaller claim on Main Street U.S. household wealth if the government were taken out of the housing equation.

Comment by measton
2010-08-17 16:15:44

BINGO

I’m an accused socialist because I advocate nationalizing health care and conduits or at least highly regulating them.

The Gov on the other hand should not be in the lending game. It destroys competition. How can you have a free market in anything if the banks are completely nationalized?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 16:30:51

BINGO

I’m an accused socialist because I advocate nationalizing health care and conduits or at least highly regulating them.

The Gov on the other hand should not be in the lending game. It destroys competition. How can you have a free market in anything if the banks are completely nationalized?

YAHTZEE!!

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Comment by exeter
2010-08-17 19:11:20

Yoo damm no guhd limaseen liburlls..

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 11:13:53

From M. Stanton Evans’: “Evans’s Law of Political Perfidy.”

10 facts of American national politics that you must understand
IF you wish to get meaningful change.

1. You can’t beat something with nothing.
2. 80% of politicians respond only to two things: (1) fear; (2) pain.
3. Bureaucrats (tenured) respond only to one thing: budget cuts.
4. Political reform never comes as long as the tax money flows in.
5. The #1 goal is to reduce the government’s funds, not re-direct
them.
6. Congress’s club system sucks in 80% of new members by term #2.
7. Politicians listen to their peers, not to their constituents.
8. Money from the government buys off most voters.
9. Most citizens care little about politics and know less.
10. This gives influence to organized swing-vote blocs.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 11:19:39

American Apparel’s future in jeopardy.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Casual clothing chain American Apparel, suffering a steep sales slump and manufacturing problems, warned Tuesday that it might default on loans and not be able to stay in business.

The Los Angeles-based maker and seller of “Made in U.S.A” T-shirts and other basic fashion clothing, said it may default on loan agreements with its lenders, cited ongoing weakness in its business.

If that happens, the company said it may not have sufficient liquidity to stay in business for the next 12 months.

The company, which operates 279 stores in 20 countries, said it expects same-store sales, or sales at its stores open at least a year, to tumble 16% in its second quarter. The company expects to post a loss from operations of between $5 million to $7 million in the quarter.

Comment by pmseatac
2010-08-17 17:38:48

My wife dragged me into one of these stores a few months ago. The clothes all have “made in USA” tags but they appeared to be poor quality, and the styles would appeal only to teens or people in the early 20s.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 11:34:28

Abercrombie & Fitch Posts Profit; to Close 60 Stores.

NEW YORK—Abercrombie & Fitch Co. swung to a profit for its fiscal second quarter on rebounding sales, but its shares fell Tuesday on worries about higher inventories.

Abercrombie reported inventory jumped 47% on a per-square-foot basis, and margins continued to fall amid discounts.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 11:35:51

Budget shortfall could mean 7,300 layoffs for Texas prisons
Corrections officials say deep spending cuts would endanger public safety.

More than 7,300 criminal justice employees would have to be laid off if Texas’ corrections agency is required to cut its spending by 15 percent, officials said Monday, warning that such a move could force the closure of several prisons and endanger public safety.

The prediction came as state corrections officials made public their budget request for 2012-13. The proposal asks for $6 billion and holds the line on much new spending, but it includes more than $720 million to fund already-promised pay raises for correctional and parole officers, and escalating costs of medical care for prisoners, among other items.

“We are clearly moving into a very tight fiscal time for the state \u2026 and we are trying to maintain a criminal justice system that at this point is stable and sound,” said Brad Livingston, executive director of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, which operates 112 state prisons that house more than 154,000 felons.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-18 00:29:06

And guess what the guvmint says is one of the best jobs for the next 10 years? And will even help pay for it? you guessed it criminal justice.

More than 7,300 criminal justice employees would have to be laid

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 11:37:19

“Refinance wave could use your tax dollars to lift the value of MBS owned by PIMCO” is more like it…

WSJ Blogs
Developments
Real estate news and analysis from The Wall Street Journal

* Real Estate News: Geithner Sees U.S. Role in Mortgage Market
* August 17, 2010, 12:03 PM ET

Bill Gross: Refinance Wave Could Lift Home Prices

By Nick Timiraos

At Tuesday’s summit on housing finance, Pacific Investment Management’s Bill Gross plugged a plan floated a few weeks ago that would allow millions of homeowners to refinance their mortgages at today’s rates, which are the lowest in generations.

With Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner moderating a panel, Mr. Gross said the U.S. could easily refinance every current mortgage borrower, who is paying a rate above 5%, with a loan backed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Housing Administration, returning tens of billions in savings.

He warned that the American economy was slowing and that the lack of additional stimulus “will slow it to a snail’s pace, incapable of providing capable job growth going forward.”

Massive refinancing of the nearly 60% of mortgages backed by the government that are one full percentage point above today’s 4.5% mortgage rates would provide quick stimulus “as well as a potential lift of 5-10% in terms of housing prices,” he said.

Comment by cactus
2010-08-17 13:10:09

Massive refinancing of the nearly 60% of mortgages backed by the government that are one full percentage point above today’s 4.5% mortgage rates would provide quick stimulus “as well as a potential lift of 5-10% in terms of housing prices,” he said.

Pimco must not own many 5% and above mortgages I imagine those who do will lose quite alot of money when their nice 5% dividend drops to 3%.

Comment by Steamed Bean
2010-08-17 13:32:58

Their dividend will not drop. They get paid back principal at 100 cents on the dollar that is currently priced at 106. They then have to reinvest proceeds at 4%.

Comment by victhebrickv
2010-08-17 13:42:50

It may be good if you originally bought at par. Anyone who bought recently may not be too happy.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 11:37:35

Home > Origination/Lending > Bankrate: Loan Closing Costs Jump 36.6% Year-Over-Year ~ August 17th, 2010

The average origination and third-party fees on a $200,000 mortgage increased 36.6% to $3,741 from last year’s average of $2,739, according to Bankrate’s annual mortgage fee survey. Lender origination fees increased to $1,463, or 22.8%, in 2010 from $1,192 in 2009, while the average total third-party fees rose 47.2%, to $2,277 from the year-ago average of $1,547.

Bankrate suggests one reason for this jump in cost is the government requirement for lenders to provide accurate good faith estimates (GFEs) of closing costs. GFEs give a borrower an idea of how much the loan will cost to close and, until this year, were non-binding. This means that the lender could provide an inaccurate or lower statement to the borrower without being penalized. Since May, however, lenders are penalized for undershooting a GFE.

Comment by Eddie
2010-08-17 12:20:09

The average origination and third-party fees on a $200,000 mortgage increased 36.6% to $3,741

_______

Good lord. You have to be a fool to pay that much. On a $200K mortgage the absolute most anyone should pay in total costs is $2K.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 11:39:20

I’m sure glad the panelists at the Obama housing pow-wow were carefully selected to make sure they did not stand to personally gain from any of their recommendations.

August 17, 2010, 11:03 am
Pimco’s Gross says feds must back mortgages
Colin Barr

Bill Gross said the government should fully take over the business of guaranteeing mortgage loans.

Gross, who runs the giant Pimco Total Return fund, said letting the private market take over the role long played by the government-sponsored mortgage investors Fannie Mae (FNMA) and Freddie Mac (FMCC) is “impractical.”

Gross made the comments at the Treasury’s future of housing finance conference. The administration called together bankers, investors and others to discuss how an ideal housing-finance system might work, and how the government might implement changes.

Republicans have been calling for a privatization of housing finance, pointing to the huge losses incurred by Fannie and Freddie when they relaxed their standards during the housing boom. Taxpayers are now on the hook for $150 billion or so of those losses and counting.

But Gross said a properly managed government financing plan offers advantages the private sector can’t match. Gross called for government guarantees protected by adequate down payments and properly priced mortgage insurance.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 11:39:54

Saks Incorporated to Close Its Saks Fifth Avenue Stores in Plano, Texas and Mission Viejo, California
Total of five Saks Fifth Avenue store closings in 2010

NEW YORK, Aug 17, 2010 (BUSINESS WIRE) — Retailer Saks Incorporated today announced it plans to close its Saks Fifth Avenue store in The Shops at Willow Bend in Plano, Texas on August 21, 2010 and its Saks Fifth Avenue store in the Mission Viejo Mall in Mission Viejo, California on October 23, 2010.

Steve Sadove, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Saks, commented, “In the ordinary course of business, we assess the productivity, profitability, and potential for each of our stores and may determine it is appropriate to close a store from time to time. Store closing decisions are never easy, but the planned closing of these two stores is consistent with our strategy of employing our resources in our most productive locations.” The Company closed its Saks Fifth Avenue stores in Portland, Oregon; San Diego, California; and Charleston, South Carolina last month.

Comment by victhebrickv
2010-08-17 13:40:39

Go to the Mission Viejo mall all the time and the Saks there is always like a ghost store. Few customers and few employees.

A Forever 21 store is taking the space.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 11:50:42

It’s always the evil USA’s fault…

Russian Scholar Warns Of ‘Secret’ U.S. Climate Change Weapon
The heatwave has caused forest and peat fires across Russia

As Muscovites suffer record high temperatures this summer, a Russian political scientist has claimed the United States may be using climate-change weapons to alter the temperatures and crop yields of Russia and other Central Asian countries.

In a recent article, Andrei Areshev, deputy director of the Strategic Culture Foundation, wrote, “At the moment, climate weapons may be reaching their target capacity and may be used to provoke droughts, erase crops, and induce various anomalous phenomena in certain countries.”

The article has been carried by publications throughout Russia, including “International Affairs,” a journal published by the Foreign Ministry and by the state-owned news agency RIA Novosti.

In an telephone interview with RFE/RL, Areshev appeared to back off from claims he made in the article, saying that he was merely positing a theory.

“First of all, I would like to say that what I wrote in that article, even the citations, does not in any way claim to a be final truth. It is, if you will, speculation, in other words, the definition of an hypothesis,” Areshev said.

Moscow is currently sweltering under record temperatures. On July 29 Moscow suffered its hottest day ever, with temperatures hitting 39 degrees.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-08-17 12:01:28

“Russian Scholar Warns Of ‘Secret’ U.S. Climate Change Weapon”

We all fire up our Escalades and leave them running!

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-08-17 12:15:14

Russian Scholar Warns Of ‘Secret’ U.S. Climate Change Weapon

How are we doing on that “Mineshaft Gap”?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 12:23:19

I can remember living in Spain during the summer of 1977.

Back in the States, there was a stretch when temps in NYC exceeded 100 degrees. And the Spanish national television network — along with my hosts — were in a tizzy. “44 centigrados en Nueva York!” screamed the newscasters.

Mind you, the weather in Valencia wasn’t exactly what one would call cool and tolerable. But 44 centrigrados en Nueva York? Ay!

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-17 13:06:54

39 deg. C = 102 deg. F. Slim probably hasn’t been that cold for weeks.

This is just payback for polluting our precious bodily fluids with floride.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 13:20:44

I took a brief trip to northeastern Ohio in late July. Morning temps were in the sixties — or so the forecast said. The humidity more than made up for it.

 
 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-17 12:11:08

Here’s an encouraging sign. I was watching “Property Virgins” last night… well, I had it on while I was cooking dinner in my 70’s-tastic non-granite kitchen… where a couple was trying to buy their first house. They had 15% down, but were using FHA financing since they didn’t have 20% down. Anyway, they tried bidding on a few condos, including a short sale, and wound up ‘winning’ a bid on a place, but they couldn’t do the FHA financing because the place already had too many of them. They scrambled around, secured a traditional loan by figuring they could ’scrounge up’ 4500 extra in cash they’d need in a month (short sale, so they’d have to wait for the bank to get back to them.)

Anyway, everything fell through and they decided to go back to… drum roll please… GO BACK TO RENTING! They planned on saving more money and trying again in a year or two.

Finally, a happy ending on an HGTV show!

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 12:11:59

Trane: Local Layoffs On Schedule
The Times Record, Fort Smith, AR.

About 131 employees at the Trane plant on Zero Street can expect to lose their jobs in October in connection with the relocation of a product line to Florida, a company spokesman confirmed Monday.

The layoff, which will begin Oct. 11, follows the Aug. 2 termination of 68 plant workers. As previously announced, another six employees will punch out in December.

Trane announced early this year that it would transfer one of its product lines to a plant in Lynn Haven, Fla., a move that would result in layoffs of some 212 employees in Fort Smith by the end of 2010. Representing nearly half of the 400-plus workforce, the layoffs were expected to affect 197 hourly and 15 salaried employees.

The Zero Street plant makes air-conditioning units for residential and light commercial use.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 12:49:55

We are still trying to recover from the greatest housing mania in the history of the planet, and all this guy can come up with is a proposal for a mammoth housing stimulus to make housing less affordable, to the benefit of Pimco investors?

This is utterly despicable.

Here’s Why Bill Gross Might Get His Wish For A Mammoth Housing Stimulus
Joe Weisenthal | Aug. 17, 2010, 2:14 PM

The big news today is that Bill Gross is forcefully coming out for an expanded role for government in the housing industry, which is in stark contrast to what many folks, calling for a wind down of Fannie and Freddie, have been saying of late.

On CNBC, the PIMCO chief basically put it out this way: If we want higher home values and more housing starts, then the government needs to play a big role.

He’s probably right about that, and that’s why he may get his wish.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 13:25:44

On CNBC, the PIMCO chief basically put it out this way: If we want higher home values and more housing starts, then the government needs to play a big role.

Well shoot. He got his way last time. This is not good.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 13:27:48

Pimco and the banks that own the Fed want higher MBS prices, plain and simple.

 
Comment by rms
2010-08-17 22:20:56

Like an ex-wife of Johnny Carson who has become accustomed to a certain standard of living, Herr Gross is accustomed to the peeps underwriting his risks at par.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 12:53:41

Wichita home sales down 34 percent in July
Wichita Business Journal

Wichita-area home sales fell 34 percent in July, according to data released by the Wichita Area Association of Realtors.

New and existing home sales totaled 559 during the month, down from 847 in July 2009.

There were 517 sales of existing homes and 42 sales of new homes in July.

The numbers continue to paint the picture of a relatively mixed year in 2010 as the market absorbs new buyers prompted by the federal home buyer tax credits. That program effectively ended in June, which was the initial deadline for closings.

Home sales in March, April and May exceeded sales in comparable months in 2009. Sales have been down otherwise.

Still, in 2010, about 100 more homes were sold from January through July than the same period last year — 4,768 compared to 4,641.

Tessa Hultz, CEO of the Wichita Area Association of Realtors, says tax credits — as expected — have caused buyers who would have purchased later in the year to buy earlier. That’s caused the lull that was experienced in July.

She says home prices haven’t fallen.

“We’re just not seeing the volume,” she says.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-08-17 15:51:50

Wichita home sales down 34 percent in July

And those houses are some of the most affordable around.

Wichita median list price 129K zillow

Wichita year 2000 median household income 39K wiki

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 13:16:50

Did he mention that without government guarantees, housing prices would be far more affordable for the average American family, while the value of the MBS which Pimco invests in would drop like a rock? Because after all, affordable housing is the GSE mission.

Rates go up, summit goes on
By Holden Lewis · Bankrate dot com
Tuesday, August 17
Posted: 2 pm ET

Mortgage bond yields have been rising today, maybe enough to spur some lenders to hike mortgage rates by one-eighth of a percentage point. Pin it on rising stock prices, which compel investors to take money out of bonds so they can buy stocks. The result is rising bond yields and rising mortgage rates.

Today there was a housing summit at the U.S. Treasury Department, in which bigwigs opined about the future of housing finance in general, and the fates of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in particular. One the panelists was Bill Gross, co-chief investment officer of PIMCO, the bond trading giant. He said that, without government guarantees, mortgage rates would be several percentage points higher.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-17 14:53:00

Higher mortgage rates! OH NOES! He says that like it’s a bad thing!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 13:19:45

Prices Of US Agency Mortgages Drop Dramatically
First Published Thursday, 12 August 2010 08:29 pm

(Adds analyst comments, context, fresh details.)

By Prabha Natarajan

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- Agency mortgage securities unexpectedly dropped in price from record highs Thursday as investors reacted to lower yields on Treasury bonds and worries about the future of government-backed mortgage buyers Fannie Mae (FNMA) and Freddie Mac (FMCC).

Fannie Mae’s 30-year bond with a 4% coupon dropped as low as 102-11 from 102-25 before rebounding somewhat, while the Fannie Mae bond with a 6.5% coupon slipped as far as 108-29 from 109-07. This translates to a $5,625 loss per $1 million invested in the Fannie 4% bond, and a $6,875 loss per $1 million on the 6.5% bond. Prices improved slightly off those low.

“Mortgages went…too high, too fast,” said Gary Greenberg, portfolio manager at Payden & Rygel in Los Angeles. “Prices have to come down, though it may be not by much.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 13:30:14

Millions to Lose Jobless Benefits by Year’s End ~ Reuters

While hundreds of House members and dozens of senators hit the campaign trail in a fight to save their jobs with help from President Obama, more than 2 million out-of-work Americans are faced with dropping into unemployment obscurity by the end of the year.

Though Congress last month passed a jobless benefits extension, the boost only lasts until Nov. 30 — that means a backlog of recipients will drop off those benefits all at once come December. Between the end of August and the end of the calendar year, approximately 2.37 million Americans will stop getting unemployment checks, according to Labor Department statistics.

The looming dropoff is sure to contribute to economic anxiety in a climate where the economy already ranks as the top issue for voters in poll after poll.

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-17 19:13:48

Nothing could be finer than to be in 99er
In the morning
Nothing could be greater than to be a section 8er
In the morning
Where the government paychecks travel to my door
Shopping with my food stamps at the grocery store
Oh Nothing could be finer than to be in 99er
In the morning!

 
 
Comment by obamanator
2010-08-17 13:39:55

If this azzclown gets elected, I’m moving to Mexico. Enough of these scum professional politicians.

“Crist finally finds a Republican donor worthy of a refund.

When Charlie Crist bailed out of the Republican primary, he initially promised to refund the money donated to him by Republicans if and when they requested refunds. Later, he reneged on that promise, saying that they had donated money to make Crist Senator, and that their money would still be put to good use. But Crist has finally found a donor worthy of getting a refund — his old buddy and defendant in a corruption case, Jim Greer:

Republicans in Florida are pouncing on Gov. Charlie Crist’s decision to refund campaign contributions from indicted former state GOP Chairman Jim Greer, a longtime Crist ally charged with stealing money from party coffers.

In a letter to the governor dated August 5, Greer asked that $9,600 worth of contributions to Crist’s Senate campaign be returned so he could help pay for his legal fees. The Crist campaign on Monday agreed to do so after the letter was reported by the St. Petersburg Times.

But Crist’s decision comes after an earlier refusal to return money to Republican donors who sought refunds when the governor bolted the GOP and embarked on an independent run.

Crist’s Republican critics are crying foul over the move, but they’re also pleased to once again have Crist sharing the spotlight with the scandal-tainted Greer.”

 
Comment by ann gogh
2010-08-17 13:58:00

Real Estate tax in Health Care bill
August 17, 2010 by English Beat
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REAL ESTATE SALES TAX
Need to sell your house by December 31, 2012.
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Read the newpaper article at the end….
Under the new health care bill – did you know that all real estate transactions are now subject to a 3.8% Sales Tax? The bulk of these new taxes don’t kick in until 2013 (presumably after Obamas re-election). You can thank Nancy, Harry and Barack and your local Democrat Congressman for this one. If you sell your $400,000 home, there will be a $15,200 tax. This bill is set to screw the retiring generation who often downsize their homes. Is this Hope & Change great or what? We can vote the bums out in November and demand that they eliminate the bill or at the very least defund it. Then in 2012 repeal it.
Oh, you weren’t aware this was in the Obamacare bill? Guess what, you aren’t alone. There are more than a few congressman that aren’t aware of it either. AND, there are a few other surprises lurking.
March 28, 2010
Health law’s heavy impact
Paul Guppy
Special to The Spokesman-Review
In the days leading up to the dramatic late-night vote on President Barack Obama’s health plan, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it .” Now that ObamaCare has passed, it is slowly dawning on people what the new law means for the country and for Washington state.
ObamaCare sweeps away a host of state regulations and permanently alters our state’s insurance market. From now on, the federal government will manage the health care of all Washingtonians. The 2,700-page law contains a complex web of mandates, directives, price controls, tax increases and subsidies.
Federal officials will now decide what kind of insurance people in Washington must have, what medicines will be covered, what treatments are allowed and which are not. Early reports indicate, however, that President Obama, Vice President Biden, the Cabinet, senior members of Congress and leadership staff are exempt.
The new law falls well short of universal coverage. ObamaCare will leave about 6 percent of Washington residents without coverage. The measure is conservatively expected to cost $2.4 trillion in its first full decade. Thousands of older Washingtonians will lose their Medicare Advantage coverage, and the state’s 120,000 Health Savings Account holders may need to buy new policies or face stiff penalties.
Washington residents will begin paying ObamaCare taxes this year, while most benefits don’t start until 2014. The law includes some 19 new taxes. Here’s a rundown of what Washingtonians can expect in the coming years.
Penalties on individuals. Individuals will pay a yearly penalty of $695, or up to 2.5 percent of their annual income, if they cannot show they have purchased a government-approved health policy.
Penalties on families. Families will pay a yearly penalty of $347 per child, up to $2,250 per family, if parents cannot show they have purchased a government- approved policy.
Penalties on employers. Business owners with more than 50 employees must buy government- acceptable health coverage or pay a yearly penalty of $2,000 per employee if at least one employee receives a tax credit.
Tax on investment income. ObamaCare imposes a 3.8 percent annual tax on investment income of individuals making $200,000 or more and on families making $250,000 or more. The new tax is not indexed to inflation, so more people will fall under it each year. Seniors on fixed incomes and people with IRAs and 401(k) plans will be hit particularly hard.
Tax on “Cadillac” health plans. Starting in 2018, imposes a 40 percent annual tax on health care plans valued at $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families.
Medicare tax increase. Requires single people earning $200,000 or more and couples earning $250,000 or more to pay an additional 0.9 percent in Medicare taxes.
Tax on Home Sales. Imposes a 3.8 percent tax on home sales and other real estate transactions. Middle-income people must pay the full tax even if they are “rich” for only one day – the day they sell their house and buy a new one.
Tax on medical aid devices. Creates a new 2.9 percent tax on medical aid devices. Certain items intended for personal use are exempt.
Tax on tanning. Imposes a 10 percent tax on services at tanning salons. Business owners will collect the tax from customers and send it to the federal government. This appears to be the first federal sales tax in the United States.
ObamaCare will be enforced by the Internal Revenue Service. The tax agency plans to hire 16,500 new auditors, agents and investigators, and to increase enforcement audits. The IRS can confiscate tax refunds, place liens on property and seek jail time if health-related penalties and taxes are not paid.
President Obama had said people could keep their coverage if they want, yet the Congressional Budget Office estimates that under ObamaCare 8 million to 9 million people will lose their employer-provided coverage.
The ObamaCare law passed over bipartisan opposition in Congress. Republicans say they will run on a “repeal and replace” platform this fall, and Washington has joined 12 other states in a lawsuit challenging the federal government’s power to force state residents to buy a product – insurance – from private companies. The long-term prospects of ObamaCare are unclear. In the meantime, Washingtonians should prepare for major changes in their tax burden.
Paul Guppy is vice president for research at the Washington Policy Center, a research organization with offices in Spokane, Seattle, Olympia and the Tri-Cities ( http://www.washingtonpolicy.org).

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-17 14:59:10

Tax on investment income. ObamaCare imposes a 3.8 percent annual tax on investment income of individuals making $200,000 or more and on families making $250,000 or more. The new tax is not indexed to inflation, so more people will fall under it each year. Seniors on fixed incomes and people with IRAs and 401(k) plans will be hit particularly hard.

Oh really? Seniors making a fixed income of 200K or more will be hit with this tax? Oh noes! Since I’m paying through the nose on my income tax, I have little sympathy for some dude pulling down over twice as much as me under long term capital gains. S

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-08-17 15:40:50

from factcheck . org

3.8 Percent “Sales Tax” on Your Home?

But the claim that this would amount to a $15,200 tax on the sale of a typical $400,000 home is utterly false.

The truth is that only a tiny percentage of home sellers will pay the tax. First of all, only those with incomes over $200,000 a year ($250,000 for married couples filing jointly) will be subject to it. And even for those who have such high incomes, the tax still won’t apply to the first $250,000 on profits from the sale of a personal residence — or to the first $500,000 in the case of a married couple selling their home.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 14:16:07

This “policy advice” would be great for Pimco’s bottom line, not so much for the Nation.

PIMCO’s Gross calls for massive mortgage refinance
Published: Tuesday, 17 Aug 2010 | 4:28 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Influential bond investor Bill Gross dispensed more policy advice than the U.S. Treasury bargained for on Tuesday, calling for a massive program to refinance mortgages at low rates to boost the flagging economy.

Gross, speaking at a Treasury forum on the future of housing finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, said a massive refinancing program to slash monthly mortgage payments could boost consumer spending by $50 billion to $60 billion and boost home prices by 5 to 10 percent.

“Policymakers should quickly re-engineer a refinancing opportunity for all mortgagees that are current on payments and are included in GSE-securitized mortgages,” said Gross, PIMCO’s co-founder and co-chief investment officer.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 14:24:55

Stop screwing around with the monthly payments jive. Just cut to the chase and lower the principal.

As for boosting house prices, ain’t gonna happen any time soon. Price increases tend to correlate with job and income growth, and we haven’t had much of either.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 14:42:21

This along with those fart catcher bags for cows the Swedes have invented ought to do the trick. Problem solved, next.

Curry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions

Curry spices could hold the key to reducing the enormous greenhouse gas emissions given off by grazing animals such as sheep, cows and goats, scientists have claimed.

Research carried out at Newcastle University has found that coriander and turmeric – spices traditionally used to flavor curries – can reduce by up to 40 per cent the amount of methane that is produced by bacteria in a sheep’s stomach and then emitted into the atmosphere when the animal burps.

Working rather like an anti-biotic, the spices were found to kill the methane-producing “bad” bacteria in the animal’s gut while allowing the “good” bacteria to flourish. The findings are part of an ongoing study led by Dr Abdul Shakoor Chaudhry at Newcastle University.

There are around 30m sheep in the UK, each producing around 20 litres of methane a day, emitted by burping. Methane (CH4) is more than 20 times as powerful in terms of causing global warming as the main greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide (CO2). As well as the environmental implications, the sheep itself also loses an estimated 12 per cent of its food energy to methane production, resulting in a lower milk and meat yield.

“Methane is a major contributor to global warming, and the slow digestive system of ruminant animals such as cows and sheep makes them a key producer of the gas,” Mr Hasan explained. “What my research found was that certain spices contain properties which make this digestive process more efficient so producing less waste – in this case, methane.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-08-17 15:01:44

It’ll work until “curry resistant” versions show up. Then you’ll have to feed hotter and hotter vindaloos to the animals until gas is the least of your worries.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-08-18 11:21:21

So my new weight loss program is to produce more methane.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-08-17 14:49:41

Fed Buys $2.551 Billion Treasuries in Resumption of Purchases

Aug. 17 (Bloomberg) — Alice Rivlin, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, talks about the U.S. deficit and her concern that investors may “panic” and bid up bond yields.

The Federal Reserve bought $2.551 billion of Treasuries in the first outright purchase of U.S. government debt since October to prevent money from being drained from the financial system.

The Fed bought 14 of the 25 securities listed for possible purchase. The notes mature from August 2014 to February 2016, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York said in a statement today on its website. The New York Fed conducts open-market operations to implement the policies of the Federal Reserve System.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 14:57:47

I’m starting to be reminded of what an exasperated Casey Stengel asked about the New York Mets: “Does anyone here know how to play this game?”

(Stengel was the Mets’ manager in their very early years. And, to put it mildly, the team stunk.)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-17 14:51:53

* AUGUST 13, 2010, 3:17 P.M. ET

Pimco Cuts US Government-Related Holdings In Flagship Bond Fund

By Min Zeng Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)–Bond fund giant Pacific Investment Management Co. cut the holdings of U.S. goverment-related holdings in its flagship bond fund in July after lifting the holdings over the previous three months.

The U.S. government-related holdings for Pimco’s flagship Total Return Fund, the world’s biggest bond fund with more than $200 billion in assets, fell to 54% in July from 63% in June–which was the highest share level since October 2009.

The share level is still higher than 51% in May and 36% in April, according to data available on the company’s web site as of Friday afternoon. The fund is managed by Bill Gross, founder and co-chief investment officer of Newport Beach, Calif.-based Pimco.

The U.S. government related holdings include nominal Treasurys, Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities, agencies bonds and Treasury futures and options.

In contrast, Gross lifted holdings of mortgage-backed securities to 18% in July from 16% in June. He also boosted non-dollar developed market debt holdings, which includes both government debt and corporate debt, to 5% from 3% in June. The holdings are still lower compared to 6% in May and the recent peak of 19% in February.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 18:52:28

“In contrast, Gross lifted holdings of mortgage-backed securities to 18% in July from 16% in June.”

Last week he increased his MBS holdings, and this week he is in DC talking his book to try to divert a flow from the American tax base into Pimco’s pocket. I guess you don’t become the bond king by acting overly shy?

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-08-17 15:45:53

From Tucson’s daily fishwrap:

Methods to prevent foreclosure gain steam

Here’s the part that bopped me over the head. Story of a homeowner who works for the state:

“[The homeowner] said she is on her fourth attempt to get a loan modification from Bank of America. She began to fall behind on mortgage payments - though she is paying part of what she owes each month - last year when the state began cutting employee wages.

“She said she was approved for the next step in a loan modification process in April, and filed the needed paperwork, but waited months for a response.

“Selling her home near West Ina and North Thornydale roads isn’t an option because she paid more than $190,000 for it five years ago and wouldn’t be able to get anywhere near that now. She’s also fixed up her kitchen and added tile floors.

“‘I’m not about to give up,” she said. “I’m not going to give them my house.’”

Slim’s take:

I can’t help thinking that, a few months from now, she’ll be walking away.

Comment by combotechie
2010-08-17 20:25:31

“I’m not about to give up,” she said. “I’m not going to give them my house.”

Hang in there Dearie. Do whatever it takes to keep those payments flowing into the bank.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-17 19:32:48

Indy UAW Workers Wont Take A Pay Cut To Keep Plant Doors Open

by Scott Sarvay
GM To Decide Fate Of Indy Stamping Facility
August 16, 2010

INDIANAPOLIS (Indiana’s NewsCenter) - UAW workers in Indianapolis will not vote on a proposal to cut their wages to keep the doors of their plant open.

http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/regional/Indy-UAW-Workers-Wont-Take-A-Pay-Cut-To-Keep-Plant-Doors-Open-100791759.html - 70k

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 21:42:51

Because they know that they will NEVER get those concessions back.

Tried living on $15hr? That’s food stamp territory.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-18 05:57:30

Its the NEW America guys….. low wages food stamps food pantry use the emergency room, drive a 15 year old paid off car with cheap safe drivers insurance…make sure you dint drive drunk or better yet only attend functions where the booze is free and you can take a cab home.

Oops can’t forget …no more real homes for you, yer only hope is to get 2-3 jobs to upgrade to a double wide.

New Idea for a 2010 song:

Livin it up Friday night on someone else dime

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-17 20:52:28

I’ve been giving a lot of charity hours to the client company lately so this is very late to post.

Seems that Congress is about to retract its $600 1099 reporting requirement for gold bullion dealers.

This is certainly a score!

http://www.kitco.com/reports/KitcoNews20100817AS-1.html

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-17 20:57:56

I posted a link to a Kitco article that predicts the 1099 reporting requirement for $600 and up purchase/sales of coins from dealers is probably going to be raised to $5,000 minimum or repealed altogether. The link will arrive later …

Quote from Kitco.com article on the September vote on “liberalizing” the $600 precious metals dealers sales/purchases:

‘both parties seem to favor a repeal or scaling back of the Form 1099 requirements, said Bill Rys, tax counsel for the National Federation of Independent Business.

“On the House side, we have almost every member on record as in favor of supporting the repeal in one form or the other,” Rys said.’

Comment by drumminj
2010-08-17 23:19:04

“On the House side, we have almost every member on record as in favor of supporting the repeal in one form or the other,” Rys said.’

Then why the F did they pass it in the first place?!?!

I so hate our representatives and the idiots that voted them into office.

 
 
Comment by B. Durbin
2010-08-17 21:26:28

Okay, I just saw this quote and decided that everybody deserved a good belly laugh:

“Compared to just about every other type of business, the business of real estate is kept almost puritanically ethical. I know there’s good reason for that.”

He’s actually serious…

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-17 21:45:21

I think I just hurt myself laughing.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 22:01:41

WSJ Blogs
Developments
Real estate news and analysis from The Wall Street Journal

* August 17, 2010, 10:02 AM ET

Wells Fargo ‘Party House’ Sold at 30% Off

By Juliet Chung

Accessories creators Bruce Makowsky and his wife, Kathy, have paid nearly $15 million for the bank-owned Malibu beach house that made waves last year for allegedly being used as a party house by a Wells Fargo executive.

The purchase price is nearly 30% less than its original $21.5 million asking price last September. The most recent asking price was $18 million.

“The house is spectacular and it’s on a gorgeous, beautiful beach,” said Mr. Makowsky, who is co-president of Van Zeeland, Inc., which includes the B. Makowsky handbag and shoe brands available at retailers including Macy’s and QVC.

Mr. Makowsky said he and his wife closed within seven days of seeing the home. “There aren’t a lot of homes that become available in that area,” he said. The couple’s primary residence is in Long Island, N.Y.; they plan to use the Malibu property as a vacation home. The publicity surrounding the house didn’t impact their interest or decision to buy, Mr. Makowsky added.

Wells Fargo later fired the employee, Cheronda Guyton, who dealt with foreclosed properties; the home had belonged to Madoff victims.

The four-bedroom, contemporary home is located in the guard-gated Malibu Colony area and has walls of glass that look onto the Pacific. The roughly 3,800-square-foot home has a double-height living area, decks and terraces and an open floor plan on the first level. Chad Rogers of Hilton and Hyland, a Christie’s Great Estates affiliate, was on both sides of the deal.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 22:07:14

Is this proposal as simple as screwing current MBS owners out of a portion of the contractually agreed interest on the bonds they own in order to benefit those making monthly payments (homeowners with securitized mortgages)?

Is Gross proposing to personally finance the cost of this proposal?

WSJ Blogs
Developments
Real estate news and analysis from The Wall Street Journal

* Real Estate News: Geithner Sees U.S. Role in Mortgage Market
* August 17, 2010, 12:03 PM ET

Bill Gross: Refinance Wave Could Lift Home Prices

By Nick Timiraos

At Tuesday’s summit on housing finance, Pacific Investment Management’s Bill Gross plugged a plan floated a few weeks ago that would allow millions of homeowners to refinance their mortgages at today’s rates, which are the lowest in generations.

With Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner moderating a panel, Mr. Gross said the U.S. could easily refinance every current mortgage borrower, who is paying a rate above 5%, with a loan backed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Housing Administration, returning tens of billions in savings.

He warned that the American economy was slowing and that the lack of additional stimulus “will slow it to a snail’s pace, incapable of providing capable job growth going forward.”

Massive refinancing of the nearly 60% of mortgages backed by the government that are one full percentage point above today’s 4.5% mortgage rates would provide quick stimulus “as well as a potential lift of 5-10% in terms of housing prices,” he said.

Mr. Geithner and other panelists didn’t address the refi proposal, which has caused lots of heartburn for mortgage-bond investors in recent weeks.

To be sure, government officials have dismissed any idea that such a plan was in the works. Others have pointed out that Fannie, Freddie, and the FHA have already come up with other methods to “streamline” refinance homeowners who owe more than their homes are worth.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 22:23:35

Have these perfessors ever heard of quantitative easing? ‘Cuz I thought the point of QE was to keep them interest rates low forever?

* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION
* AUGUST 18, 2010

The Great American Bond Bubble

If 10-year interest rates, which are now 2.8%, rise to 4% as they did last spring, bondholders will suffer a capital loss more than three times the current yield.

By JEREMY SIEGEL AND JEREMY SCHWARTZ

Ten years ago we experienced the biggest bubble in U.S. stock market history—the Internet and technology mania that saw high-flying tech stocks selling at an excess of 100 times earnings. The aftermath was predictable: Most of these highfliers declined 80% or more, and the Nasdaq today sells at less than half the peak it reached a decade ago.

A similar bubble is expanding today that may have far more serious consequences for investors. It is in bonds, particularly U.S. Treasury bonds. Investors, disenchanted with the stock market, have been pouring money into bond funds, and Treasury bonds have been among their favorites. The Investment Company Institute reports that from January 2008 through June 2010, outflows from equity funds totaled $232 billion while bond funds have seen a massive $559 billion of inflows.

We believe what is happening today is the flip side of what happened in 2000. Just as investors were too enthusiastic then about the growth prospects in the economy, many investors today are far too pessimistic.

The rush into bonds has been so strong that last week the yield on 10-year Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) fell below 1%, where it remains today. This means that this bond, like its tech counterparts a decade ago, is currently selling at more than 100 times its projected payout.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 22:25:20

Opinion Journal: I Was a Fannie Mae Executive 8/16/2010 12:49:41 PM

Former Chief Credit Officer Edward Pinto explains how it all went wrong.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 22:33:19

HUD = mortgage lending debaucher in chief. Shut down HUD; restore the mortgage lending system.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower
2010-08-17 23:36:47

Stripper Says Degree Profitable for Goldman Not Worth It

Aug. 6 (Bloomberg) — Carrianne Howard dreamed of designing video games, so she enrolled in a program at the Art Institute of Fort Lauderdale, a for-profit college part-owned by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. These days, the 26-year-old makes her living in a way that doesn’t require a college diploma — by stripping at a topless club. Like many investors, Goldman, owner of 38 percent of the Art Institute’s parent, Education Management Corp., was drawn to for-profit colleges by their rapid growth and soaring stock prices. Bloomberg’s Cali Carlin reports. (Source: Bloomberg)

 
Comment by Gulf Shores AL
2010-08-29 13:54:34

Thanks for the post. I agree that if you are tyring to time the absolute bottom then it could possibly be a little early as this could still be a lot of unlisted inventory. However if you are long the market at all then you can’t lose as the rates and prices are so incredibly low so jump in.

 
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