August 21, 2010

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Comment by Roy G Biv
2010-08-21 02:50:44

Here in NJ, I have NOT seen condo sales tank yet. What was $114,000 in 1998, went to $275,000 in 2005, still is asking for $235,000 now. Okay it is Somerset County [almost Princeton we say] but still not panic I thought I might see. Just one random observation, although much talk among neighbors of how things are rock bottom. Me ? Still apartment living.

Comment by rms
2010-08-21 06:42:46

“Me ? Still apartment living.”

You have my heartfelt sympathy.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-08-21 07:28:29

What were the prices in 2002? I suspect that will be as bottom-y as we’re likely to see. The entire damn housing bubble was just too big to fail.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-08-21 08:59:21

So you’re saying Colorado may never go down since their bubble was basically over by 2002?

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-08-21 13:37:04

Are you joking, or how do you propose 2002 values hold without the incomes to support them?

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-21 09:10:28

Even when I lived in Dover, NJ in 2002-early 2003 I could see real estate prices in the area heading up. People were “cocooning” - is the excuse I heard.

Comment by exeter
2010-08-21 19:21:06

“People were “cocooning” - is the excuse I heard.”

Yup. Haven’t heard that one in a long time and you jarred my memory. Yeah…. that was the cutesy NAR induced buzzword at the time. keep in mind that 9/11 induced a panic/herd mentality in the northeast metro corridor(NY/NJ/CT). I haven’t hear the lame “9/11 drove prices up and they’re going to stay high because there ‘might be another one” in a very long time.

 
 
Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2010-08-21 10:17:03

How far and how fast housing prices decline probably has a lot to do with local economics.

If you’re living in a smallish town with only a couple of factories providing income for the people and one of them goes out of business, then housing prices are going to drop and continue dropping as people move away to find other work.

If you’re living in an area where the local businesses are stable and no one is losing their jobs, then housing will most likely decline somewhat to match income, but not fall off a cliff.

Comment by varelse
2010-08-21 11:52:31

Prices will have to fall off a cliff just to match incomes in many areas.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-08-21 13:39:55

What’s remarkable is how long it takes for prices to fall even in areas of complete economic collapse. There are innumerable rural communities in WA state where the “official” unemployment numbers are over 12%, with the real rates likely much higher, and yet small acreage remains priced in the hundreds of thousands with “million dollar” houses everywhere.

Comment by Red Beach
2010-08-21 16:22:52

“What’s remarkable is how long it takes for prices to fall even in areas of complete economic collapse. ”

You can thank extend and pretend for that. Coastal Florida is very similar — plenty of stripped “million dollar homes” rotting in the heat and humidity.

It’s still a good thing to rent.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-21 17:06:31

Coming soon to America 5 million construction jobs:

Tear down the millions of black mold chinese drywall busted pipes Mc Mansions and recycle all the parts…if there is anything left..

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rotting in the heat and humidity.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-08-21 21:17:48

Pooped mikey’s back in town. Cops all over Wisconsin. They must be having a union meeting or something. Close call with one. He was either sleeping or dead in his car. My little car can really birdwalk if you aren’t watching it.

Been out of town working on a short sale and visiting friends. Quality home in a nice Wisconsin town. My kid was through it a few years ago when they were having trouble with their business and asking price was about 300k and this definitely not sub division hell. Beautiful older established sub 2 blocks from park and fantastic pool.

Dead end street, immaculate ranch brick n’ cedar, NFP(really high-end custom job w/ blower), 2 car garage, 3,578 finished sq.ft, 4 big br main floor, 3 bathrooms, theater/media/bar and extra rooms downstairs. New roof and furnace plus appliances. Nice kitchen with high end cabinets. Stuoid lectric stove goes out the door 1st thing. Two freakin stairs to basement area, deck, trees and woods behind. Lost my stupid airhead agent in it twice.

I have been watching this one for a long, long time. Was set up, approved and previous buyers SS failed cause they couldn’t hit the numbers for their old shack. Other offers either walked or no cash. Owners are delinquent in taxes, lost their business and took jobs out of state. My agent hand
carried to their agent same day. They better take my offer and run to the lenders hat in hand. Everybody is broke and hungry.

I offered 5k under short sale asking, cash, close in 3 weeks or less and told them to replace the water softener just for for fun plus normal inspections and review buy my attorney within 5 days.

It doesn’t have a sauna but I can cure that minor detail in short order. City assessment and FMV about 180k. I’m being kind and paying a premium for block and neigborhood as I only gonna offer 193k. Ladies in the local courthouse and city engineer(fellow university alumni) provided me with everything including extra I needed to know as well as local gossip about which cops were chasing skirts and messing around on the wives.

I’m not sure what I signed…I was tired and maybe I bought a house cause my agent was laughing and she bought me lunch. We’ll see…details to follow when I rest and figure out just what in he hell I did.

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-21 11:52:06

……..still is asking for $235,000 now. Asking is not selling. Many imbeciles that overpaid for houses are trying to unload without a loss.
That means that unless the house is foreclosed, you will see ridiculous prices from independent sellers. That is, of course, until they have tried to sell for a year without success. Then, they will try the short-sale or the walk-away.
What are the SALES prices??? And don’t ask someone. They always say “they got what they wanted”, which means they took what they could get. Check the courthouse records, and then check to see if it’s a homeowner or a corporate purchase.
You might find that the market is not so strong.

Comment by exeter
2010-08-21 19:48:43

You took the words right out of my mouth dio.

 
 
 
Comment by Red Beach
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 07:06:14

Given the prevalence of high-rolling flippers in California, I am surprised it is worse in Florida than here.

“The average person was basically betting, repeatedly,” he said. High-value loans were an even worse bet.

The bulk of million-dollar loans were written in California, and to a lesser degree in New York and Florida, according to CoreLogic. But while California’s and New York’s default rates on those high-value loans were near or under the national average of 13 percent in April, nearly a third of Florida’s were in default.

During the boom, Florida’s dramatic price appreciation enticed buyers, said Mark Vitner, a senior economist at Wells Fargo who’s been tracking the Florida real estate market since the mid ’80s. If you could stretch to buy a high-end home, its rising value could make you rich.

“I know people that bought … would not think of themselves as speculating on a house. But they bought a lot more house than they should have because they could get the credit, and prices were going up,” he said.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-08-21 08:43:15

House prices always go up. :-)

Comment by TCM_guy
2010-08-21 10:01:19

REAGU

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Comment by DennisN
2010-08-21 16:11:12

Isn’t that a spaghetti sauce?

 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-08-21 11:55:10

House prices always go up…….reminded me of an old Mark Twain commentary I heard recently.
“It’s not what you don’t know that will hurt you. It’s what you are absolutely certain of, that just ain’t so.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-21 12:56:14

Titanic was first “unsinkable” ocean liner.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Red Beach
2010-08-21 04:42:11

Palmetto, are you really going to move to Asheville?

That’s sooooooo 2006.

Comment by palmetto
2010-08-21 04:57:52

OK, now that’s just too funny, right there. First post of the day, or the first visible one.

I’m not sure, Red. I’m thinking Western NC, anyway. My lease here is up at the end of March. This summer has been really weird here in Fla. It’s always hot here, but this is ridiculous and it creeps me out that we haven’t had the rain we usually have. I’m afraid Florida may be headed for another drought. I’d like to be somewhere where, if the power went out, I wouldn’t be gasping for breath in the heat.

I’m also concerned about the long terms effects of the oil spill.

Of course, right now, I have a semi-lucrative part time gig that I’m enjoying and if that keeps up, it may be hard to leave. Gotta make hay while the sun shines.

Comment by HottyToddy
2010-08-21 11:46:15

No drought here in Northeast Florida. It rains at least 4 or 5 days a week, can’t keep up with mowing the grass and the weeds in the bushes. With the incredible heat and warm oceans and gulf it would not be surprising to see a super-sized hurricane before the end of the season.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-21 05:18:14

No, if he wanted to revisit 2006 he’d buy in Bend OR.

Comment by Eddie
2010-08-21 05:40:06

WNC has turned into FL. A bunch of transplants seeking greener pastures. But once they get there, they immediately try to turn their new home into their old home.

If you’re dead set on NC, look into something on the coast. Prices have plummeted. You would have to deal with odd hurricane of course. Next to the panhandle, IMO NC has the best beaches. If they could somehow take the sand from Destin and move it to the Outer Bank you’d have the world’s best beach.

Comment by flat
2010-08-21 18:48:05

or southport/wilmington

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Comment by pismoclam
2010-08-21 22:44:56

Try Myrtle Beach. Golf courses galore. Can’t be beat.

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Comment by mikeinbend
2010-08-21 08:51:53

Funny you mention Bend. Only read all this if you are interested in one couple’s fun with buying/selling in this wacky market filled with retirees and ski junkies and californian contractors who are busy (not working) losing their shirts.

2006 was when we sold out of Bend OR. But we convinced ourselves to reinvest in the growing market (oops. lost bigtime on that one) and only decided to stem the bleeding in April 2010 by stopping paying after 3 years and waiting for the foreclosure hammer to fall in November.

Thinking greedily on how we can get more time in our place; after all we put 160k into it and that much would buy the next door neighbors for cash. course it has no sink(s), no tub, no oven, and of c:ourse none of the furniture that we sold with the place. So with 0 down he scored over 10k in furnishings, and who knows how much stuff he was able to “glean” for his construction business? Hey the guy was a contractor and needed parts. We on the other hand keep our place darned livable and don’t plan on taking things that are bolted down or ensconced into the walls. That probably aint worth squat.

Our history: Starter home purchased for 129k we sold for 285k. Condo purchased in 05 for 208k sold in 06 for 350k. Both buyers have since foreclosed. Dont think they put much down or made many payments so they may have done alright even though they were deadbeats, their money was green to us thanks to the ez money loans issued around that time. Wife stupidly put the money back in 20% down to secure a no-doc as she is a grocery checker who makes less than 1k per month. Underwriters had no problem with that at the time.

So we reinvested in the marvelous Deschutes County real estate after winning a couple biggies and paid 380k for a condo now worth 225k. Now we have lost a biggie too-Too far underwater for my wife to refi, makes too little for underwriters to touch her(they cancelled her $500 credit card because Countrywide loaned her $300,000 so they dont want to lose another $500). It has been a great place to live, I guess we did ok by the bank as we lasted longer than any of the G.fools who purchased real estate from us (only to soon stop paying but if the loan is insured by taxpayers what does the bank care really?).

We also had a brief foray into Utah(even longer story), buying a dream home for cash with our Central Oregon windfall, but living there proved to be a fundamental pain in the arse, we like a bit of wine, coffee, and did not go to ward parties. Got ripped off at every turn. Case closed and we ran back to oregon and were able to eventually sell there for only a 60k loss. Couple from Morgan Hill, CA. Hope they find happiness there as we only found discomfort and hostility toward our fairly conventional religious beliefs that are not LDS. We dont see religion as a business and don’t like mixing church and $$ beyond some modest tithing.

In the condo here in Deshcutes county, wife has 160k real skin in the game, (20% down plus monthly mortgage payments for 3 years); wife owns it as she qualified for the nodoc and I did not; so thankfully I am not on this nightmare ownership deed or corresponding promissory note. It is where we live, although we were in Utah for a few long months, wifey did pay on it for 3 years, but soon will have nothing to show for it.

Hedged my bets some by buying a house for cash nearby a few months ago and have it rented out for a good return (5x a CD, anyway, and we are well aware of the maintenance/tax/insurance costs) till the sheriff asks us to leave our soon to be repo’ed digs, then will move to the other pad.

We are waiting in line to be foreclosed on; seems the bank, BAC, is moving faster, thru Recontrust liquidation sales at courthouse steps they have 5 sales a day lined up for the next 6 months. Just wondering when the starting bid at auction for wifes place will be around 300k(her balance), and who will pay that when you can get the same/similar unit for 220k? What will the bank do with it if it gets it back?

560 bofa foreclosure auctions scheduled in our 175k citizen county(very few actually sell to anyone; most go back to bank)

500 bofa foreclosure auctions in Clackamas county with 350k citizens.

Were number 1! (in that we are a hotbed for # of people who are currently underwater, just like we were a hotbed for sales prices doubling every year). Our friend figures he qualifies for a HAMP(er your chances long term) but I wonder if it will really help him? What should we do to extend our time here, please remember we have paid 160k to be here, definitely having “skin”, albeit martian green skin, in the game.

Comment by cactus
2010-08-21 12:21:18

Just wondering when the starting bid at auction for wifes place will be around 300k(her balance), and who will pay that when you can get the same/similar unit for 220k? What will the bank do with it if it gets it back?”

none will buy and the bank will get it back then what ?

You can watch it sit empty I guess ?

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Comment by dustartist
2010-08-21 19:56:48

Why don’t you just move out? People who do what you do are just part of the problem. Did you have fun playing “Real Estate Investor”??

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Comment by mikeinbend
2010-08-21 23:40:10

Had fun owning the homes we have lived in, renting them out while travelling. Never borrowed a penny except on our first home, then all cash deals till this loser.
why move out before the bank asks us? to be (or at least feel) liable for damages from neglect? No shortage of empties in our hood if anyone wants one! at least we are keeping it in good shape till someone wants it, and wife is working with lender exploring short sale options, etc.
Don’t really care if you think we are causing you problems no offense but we stayin w/o payin.

 
Comment by mikeinbend
2010-08-22 00:08:02

Real estate investing has been very fun for me. It meant getting to be a stay home mom and dad family and never having to worry about money from 1995(first house was in coastal CA, first and only loan I ever got, but it took 20% down which I saved by working hard as a vegetable broker) till now. Had a granny flat, so I even got to live in a small pad with my growing family and play slumlord for a decade.

Only got one paid off home, truck, 15 years of surfing, and a professional teaching license to show for it all, so overall can’t say it was not fun to play at investing. Also paid many medical bills with the profits. Oh, and I know enough about real estate now that I could even sell it for other people for a small 6% fee.

BTW moving out will neither advance or delay the date of wife’s sale date, so why move out now? So the pipes can freeze during the first cold snap? Let vagrants in? There is no downside to staying until they ask us to leave, for us or the problem you speak to.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-08-21 05:01:57

Nearly 50% leave mortgage aid program. Gee, no one could have seen THAT coming.

http://www.aolnews.com/money/article/nearly-50-percent-leave-obama-mortgage-aid-program/19602772

The stimulus was a huge bomb. Money for nothing, now a huge debt in its wake. Boo-yah!

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-21 05:22:53

That article is confusingly written. Does “drop out” mean failure to make a temporary loan modification into a permanent one? Or does it mean just giving up because the bank keeps losing the paperwork?

Comment by palmetto
2010-08-21 05:25:47

Probably both.

Whatever the case, I’ll bet the percentage is higher than 50%.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-08-21 06:03:58

‘The banking industry…accused the Obama administration of initially pressuring them to sign up borrowers without insisting first on proof of their income. When banks later moved to collect the information, many troubled homeowners were disqualified or dropped out.’

‘Homeowners who qualify can receive an interest rate as low as 2 percent for five years and a longer repayment period. Nearly half of the 1.3 million homeowners who enrolled in the Obama administration’s flagship mortgage-relief program have fallen out. 421,804, or roughly 32 percent of those who started the program, have received permanent loan modifications and are making their payments on time. As of mid-June only $490 million had been spent out of a potential $75 billion the government has made available to help stem the wave of foreclosures.’

‘1.3 million homeowners…$490 million had been spent’

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 06:10:05

“…many troubled homeowners were disqualified or dropped out.”

Income verification is indeed troublesome; been there / done that.

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Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-21 06:32:34

They had no income from the start.

 
Comment by rms
2010-08-21 06:48:22

“Income verification is indeed troublesome…”

Bend forward, place your elbows on the table?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 06:14:52

“…421,804, or roughly 32 percent of those who started the program, have received permanent loan modifications and are making their payments on time. As of mid-June only $490 million had been spent…”

I try to never miss an opportunity to use Google to do long division:

$490,000,000/421,804 = $1,162 per modification.

What does it cost to do a permanent loan modification? Does that figure seem implausibly low to others besides me?

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-08-21 07:01:58

It sounds to me that the $1,162 refers to a fee paid to the organization that services the loan.

I don’t think any of that went to the entity that owns the loan (e.g., bond holders in a given mortgage security tranche). The bondholders are still “kicking the can down the road”. Their haircuts are going to cost much more than 1200 bucks per loan.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 11:37:44

“Their haircuts are going to cost much more than 1200 bucks per loan.”

As I suspected…

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-21 08:09:29

again and again not a dime for renters, just think my whole years rent is less then $14K….and they want to give $50K and up to idiot hoeowenazz

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Comment by varelse
2010-08-21 12:01:15

Aren’t renters losing jobs too?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 15:48:44

Renters represent a smaller voting block. Why bother with their problems?

 
Comment by Weed Wacker
2010-08-21 16:06:20

That reminds me of a bad joke I just made up:

Q. What do you call a renter that doesn’t pay his rent?
A. Homeless.
Q. Then what do you call a homeowner that doesn’t pay his mortgate?
A. A financial genius.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-21 17:10:27

weed:

Oh man that hurts….I have gotten very angry over this lately, just when i need a little help…is the middle finger for renters.

Thanks OH for this wonderful change you have inspired in us.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-08-21 12:59:31

That’s $400 per homeowner.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 22:51:48

Business

U.S. Treasury says housing market improves, challenges ahead

English.news.cn
2010-08-21 05:53:28

WASHINGTON, Aug. 20 (Xinhua) — The Obama administration’s efforts to support the housing market has resulted in increased affordability and continued house price stabilization, but more work needs to be done to stem foreclosures and delinquencies, the U.S. Treasury Department said on Friday.

Housing prices remained level in July after 30 straight months of decline, and historic low interest rates continued to promote home affordability and refinancing options for the nation’s families, the department said in its monthly Housing Scorecard, a comprehensive report on the nation’s housing market.

More than 3.15 million modification arrangements were done from April 2009 through the end of June 2010, according to the report.

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Comment by pismoclam
2010-08-21 22:55:07

But the lenders add the ‘forgiven’ principal to the back end of the loan. That way, they don’t have to increase their capital accounts or mark to market. WHAT ! Did you actually think the HARM program was supposed to help borrowers and not the BANKS ??? Silly.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-21 05:51:00

“Many borrowers have complained that the government program is a bureaucratic nightmare. They say banks often lose their documents and then claim borrowers did not send back the necessary paperwork.”

“The banking industry said borrowers weren’t sending back their paperwork.”

So let me get this straight. The people that borrowed money they couldn’t pay back say it`s the banks fault. And in this corner, the banks that gave the people the loans they can`t pay back say it`s their fault. It used to be said here that this “was going to end badly” I guess this is what “badly” looks like.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-08-21 07:12:45

“So let me get this straight. The people that borrowed money they couldn’t pay back say it`s the banks fault. And in this corner, the banks that gave the people the loans they can`t pay back say it`s their fault. It used to be said here that this “was going to end badly” I guess this is what “badly” looks like.”

Looks like it’s a wash to me.

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-21 07:39:41

“Never had a bad word to say about anyone. She loved her children and grandchildren and accepted us for who we were. I was truly blessed to have her as mom. I love her so much.”

I do believe those are the most beautiful words I have ever seen written about anyone. Yes, you were truly blessed to have her as your mom and she was blessed to have you as a daughter. Hang in there. My real name is Jerry, I don`t feel right writing about this with the name of the Colt`s center. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-08-21 11:06:35

jeff,

Thank you so much for the compliment and the sharing of your name. I didn’t know I had that many tears in me.

 
Comment by ahansen
2010-08-21 23:59:40

SF,
My heart is aching for you tonight.
I am so sorry for your loss; you were each blessed to have the other.

Love to you,
a

 
 
Comment by Reuven
2010-08-21 07:53:50

While I don’t trust either party in this mess, debtors who took out loans they couldn’t possibly pay back, and were, in fact, unable to pay it back, don’t have a lot of credibility when they complain “the bank lost the paperwork”, etc.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-21 10:53:51

Agreed. And neither do the banks who failed to do their due diligence when making the loans.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 15:50:25

“Looks like it’s a wash to me.”

The money vanished into thin air, nobody could have seen it coming, and it was nobody’s fault.

Nobody should be drawn and quartered!

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Comment by oxide
2010-08-21 07:33:55

When I was on the billable hour system, a boss told me “it’s not activity, it’s accomplishment.” This is totally bogus, of course. Indeed the boss proceeded to break his own rule, of course.

The banks are doing the same thing — “activity” to make it look like they’re doing something when nothing is actually accomplished.

I susptect even the long-term HAMP people will never recoup their losses. I can tell you, after reading this blog and I got into a situation like that, I’d sell everything for cash, declare BK, and walk. Cut the losses early.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-21 05:21:32

Guess I won`t apply then.

‘Bottom feeders’ need not apply: Luxe cribs go on the block in splashy auction on Hutchinson Island

By Daphne Duret Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 6:23 p.m. Friday, Aug. 20, 2010

HUTCHINSON ISLAND — If home auctions were mustard, this would be Grey Poupon.

Forget gutted shacks sold for pennies on the courthouse steps. Think waterfront mansions with luxurious pools, spiral marble staircases as far as the eye can see and entire rooms dedicated to things like steam.

In fact, for the right price at the Luxury, Waterfront and Historical Home Mega Auction this month, you can even buy your own peninsula.

Of course, that’s as long as you can bear to put up with what comes with it: Maybe, for example, a five-bedroom shanty boasting cypress-beamed ceilings, coquina stone-faced fireplaces, and an elevator of Willy Wonka stupendousness providing access to a guest house bigger than some single-family homes.

“Let’s just call it what it is here. These houses are hot,” said Derrick Christenson of Christenson Pittman Auctions.

Hot, he says? In a housing market as cool as old money?

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/bottom-feeders-need-not-apply-luxe-cribs-go-870466.html -

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 06:07:41

How Pimco Is Holding American Homeowners Hostage
August 19, 2010 2:27 PM ET
By David Stockman

Some raids on the US Treasury by America’s crony capitalists are so egregious as to provoke a rant — even if you aren’t Rick Santelli. One such rant-worthy provocation is Pimco latest scheme to loot Uncle Sam’s depleted exchequer.

According to Bill Gross, who heads what appears to be the firm’s squad of public policy front runners, the American economy can be saved only through “full nationalization” of the mortgage finance system and a massive “jubilee” of debt forgiveness for millions of underwater homeowners. If nothing else, these blatantly self-serving recommendations demonstrate that Matt Taibbi was slightly off the mark in his famed Rolling Stone diatribe. It turns out that the real vampire squid wrapped around the face of the American taxpayer isn’t Goldman Sachs (GS) after all. Instead, it’s surely the Pacific Investment Management Co.

As overlord of the fixed-income finance market, the latter generates billions annually in effort-free profits from its trove of essentially riskless US Treasury securities and federally guaranteed housing paper. Now Pimco wants to swell Uncle Sam’s supply of this no-brainer paper even further — adding upward of $2 trillion per year of what would be “government-issue” mortgages on top of the existing $1.5 trillion in general fund deficits.

This final transformation of American taxpayers into indentured servants of HIDC (the Housing Investment & Debt Complex) has been underway for a long time, and is now unstoppable because all principled political opposition to Pimco-style crony capitalism has been extinguished. Indeed, the magnitude of the burden already created is staggering. Before Richard Nixon initiated the era of Republican “me-too” Big Government in the early 1970s — including his massive expansion of subsidized housing programs — there was about $475 billion of real estate mortgage debt outstanding, representing a little more than 47% of GDP.

Comment by rms
2010-08-21 10:18:02

Isn’t David Stockman being investigated for a stock scam? None of these suits “make” anything except deals.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-08-21 15:54:25

Nothing good is going to happen for the American people until some fed up person with an AK-47 and a “list” starts disposing of crooked politicians, bankers, and corporate fat cats. That might get their attention.

Comment by neuromance
2010-08-21 20:49:40

We have a system for turning the corrupt politicians out. Unfortunately, it requires a thoughtful public to turn out in big numbers and vote them out. As Jefferson said, “A society cannot be both ignorant and free.”

Also, homeowners support the bailouts. I’ve not spoken to one who doesn’t like it. All have said they are “unfortunate but necessary.” That’s because it’s their balance sheet they perceive is being improved.

Another observer said that, “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” (sometimes attributed to Ben Franklin, but source unclear).

The only thing that’s going to shake the American people out of their torpor is some signficant dislocation. Perhaps 10-20% unemployment is it. I don’t know.

After Pearl Harbor was attacked, Admiral Yamamoto said, “”I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.” It is unclear to me what it will take to awaken the sleeping giant, while it continues to vote itself such feckless and venal leaders.

 
 
 
Comment by Rancher
2010-08-21 06:12:34

There was a big auction online last night of houses in the Treasure Valley - Boise, Nampa Caldwell area.

One house had 15 rooms (the announcer kept saying 15 bedrooms, but the local talking heads can’t read anything correctly) the house either had sold or was listed at $360,000 and the starting price was $25,000. There were a LOT of under $20,000 houses and more coming on the market every day. The auction was cash only because the banks holding the paper didnt’ want to refinance, they just wanted rid of the places.

Prices had pretty much imploded here and no one can get financing anyway so it doesn’t matter how cheap it is. Taxes are being forced down and the counties are yowling about lost revenue - and even more lost revenue from the people who plain old aren’t paying the taxes because they can’t.

There was just another auction of land from an irrigation district where owners hadn’t paid the taxes on the land, the irrigation ditrict had slapped a lien on it and then had to auction off the land. They said it was rare to have any land come up for taxes from the irrigation district but it is happening more and more frequently. You have to understand, this is land worth $20 to $30,000 for the acreage, and taxes are around $2,000 - the people still didn’t pay and let the land go to auction.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-08-21 06:22:42

‘The Nampa-Meridian Irrigation District will auction 11 properties in Ada and Canyon counties on August 17 because property owners have not paid irrigation taxes for the past three years, said district official Daren Coon in a statement. In the case of one Meridian property with an assessed value of $350,000, it could be sold for $401.25 in unpaid irrigation taxes.’

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/08/11/1299384/nampa-meridian-irrigation-district.html#storylink=mirelated

‘…about 200 properties including 25 homes and parcels across Idaho starting at 6:30 p.m. Thursday, Aug. 19…the homes are bank owned. Starting bids range widely from $5,000 to $119,000 for properties in Boise, Eagle, Star, Nampa, Caldwell and beyond. Vice President Rick Weinberg said the company’s auction model has helped improve the local and national economies by putting homeowners into the vacant properties.’

‘When a house sits vacant, no one is paying a mortgage, property taxes, nor gas, electric and water bills ‹ all of which hurts the local and national economy,’ Weinberg said’

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/08/18/1307479/california-company-auctions-idaho.html

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 06:42:59

‘When a house sits vacant, no one is paying a mortgage, property taxes, nor gas, electric and water bills, all of which hurts the local and national economy,’ Weinberg said’

Great to hear others point out the huge public waste of letting so many homes sit empty and crumble into desuetude. Was there any discussion at last week’s housing summit of the huge waste of America’s collective wealth due to 19.1 million homes sitting indefinitely vacant, or was the main focus on how to funnel more tax dollars to Pimco?

Comment by neuromance
2010-08-21 20:53:22

Was there any discussion at last week’s housing summit of the huge waste of America’s collective wealth due to 19.1 million homes sitting indefinitely vacant, or was the main focus on how to funnel more tax dollars to Pimco?

The “housing summit” was political kabuki, designed for public consumption and designed to influence the public thinking on the issue.

I didn’t read all the transcripts, but I’m quite sure there was no mention of why lenders made loans with little chance of repayment, whether it is appropriate for house prices to have skyrocketed even in cities with declining populations (Baltimore for example), and how to prevent another bubble.

The real dealmaking was going on relentlessly in backrooms, with a great deal of money being proferred to politicians if they supported certain positions, with the implicit threat of their opponents getting the money if they didn’t (especially now that corporations don’t have to pretend to limit their contributions).

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Comment by pismoclam
2010-08-21 23:04:32

If we have a lot of houses sitting vacant, let’s advertise in TJ and fill them up with Pedros.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 06:25:06

“There were a LOT of under $20,000 houses and more coming on the market every day.”

That’s the first I’ve heard of prices in that range anywhere West of Detroit. I wonder if that house price deflation contagion will reach California? Or is it different here?

Comment by arizonadude
2010-08-21 06:34:04

That seems pretty low to me too.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-21 06:54:34

The last statistics I checked were for Ada county (metro Boise) and stated that median house price was around $180K.

But a lot of the Treasure Valley is rural and I wouldn’t be surprised if that $20K “house” is actually an older, non-code double-wide stuck on acreage.

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-21 07:42:34

I went and checked again. The most recent median price in Ada county was $160K and in Canyon county was $89K.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-08-21 16:02:42

Yeah, but I bet that median is excluding foreclosures, right?

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Comment by DennisN
2010-08-21 06:59:26

I guess I should explain that the Treasure Valley comprises Ada county (Boise, Meridian, Kuna), Canyon county (Nampa, Caldwell), and Malheur county Oregon.

The locals often poke fun of Canyon county as being a “white trash” area. Certainly in some small burgs like Melba there are some tumbledown SFH’s that aren’t worth much.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-08-21 07:23:33

‘prices in that range anywhere West of Detroit’

There’s bunches of them. Most are fannie mae houses now. I could tell you many stories about these houses and the disrepair they fall into. Today there is an ‘auction’ of a place here in Flagstaff. It’s ‘as-is’, but I happen to know it froze solid for 2 winters before it was taken back. I was working on a house yesterday that sat for almost the same time period, with no care. There are 2 fridges full of rotten food and flies piled up on the window sills an inch deep. Plus the guy had pets, so it’s almost impossible to breath in there. This past week in Sedona I witnessed a water leak appear in a wall upon the buyers inspection. Most likely due to no winterization (cost less than $100) for 2 years. Cost to fix is about 2 grand. Same house also tested positive for bad mold in a spot that could have been mopped up if someone had been living there. Now the EPA is involved.

There is the FNM house in Kingman I looked at recently. They just took it off the market when it couldn’t sell for around $50k. While it sat, termites moved in and I calculated it to be a tear down. They would literally have to pay me to take that one. I could go on.

And imagine the foreclosures once these comps hit the market.

What we’re seeing is the result of the biggest kick-the-can-down-the-road screw up in history. Thanks a lot DC. Somehow you guys and gals managed to make a really bad situation even worse.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 15:57:54

“Most are fannie mae houses now.”

I wonder how long it will take for our fearless leaders to address this situation, especially since there was a big “What to do with the GSEs” pow-wow last week which was hijacked by a discussion on how Pimco might be able to increase its bottom line.

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Comment by exeter
2010-08-21 20:03:47

“Most are fannie mae houses now.”

By the way my HBB bros and sisses, Fannie and private banks holding REO are really playing games with the inventory.. Some of the inventory just disappears….. that’s right… disappears for many months and then it just reappears again.

Personally I’m getting very frustrated with the games these lying pukes are playing. The dam has to break sooner or later.

 
 
 
Comment by George Kengott
2010-08-21 08:51:59

You can get a house for $30,000 in beautiful Barstow, Cal, the tourist Mecca of the west.

 
 
Comment by Sarah
2010-08-21 06:25:13

I’d like to see what they really sold for. Auctions usually start with min. bids well below their reserve price (i.e., unless you actually pay X dollars they tell you after the auction that your winning bid was too low, and place you on a cold call list). It’s just a line to bring the suckers in. Around here most winning bids are rejected and they end up back on the market.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-21 06:39:07

There are IIRC 8 irrigation districts in the Treasure Valley (metro Boise). They have confusing rules and many former city slickers run afowl of them. Heck my subdivision is half in Boise-Kuna irrigation district and half in New York irrigation district. The Nampa-Meridian irrigation district is famous in the Boise area for playing hardball with deadbeats. Some people get a bill, think that since they aren’t getting any irrigation water, and just toss it. Sorry, even if you aren’t connected to the water and don’t get any benefits, you still are on the hook to pay the bill.

My bill for a 1/5 acre lot comes to about $20/year. What Nampa-Meridian does is throw this as a lien on your house, and after 3 years forecloses on it. It’s really sad for renters who have out-of-state FB landlords. Those guys really don’t understand Idaho water law, and quite often the renters come home one day to find the sheriff putting all their stuff out on the curb.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-08-21 06:58:56

‘the renters come home one day to find the sheriff putting all their stuff out on the curb’

I don’t know anything about Idaho eviction laws, but I doubt this is the case.

Comment by DennisN
2010-08-21 07:22:09

IIRC there was an article in the Statesman a little over a year ago with that exact fact pattern.

Don’t forget that the irrigation district isn’t a “utility” but a governmental taxing body. Those bills are legally not a “utility bill” but rather a “tax”. There probably is a distinction made in eviction laws whether the debt is private (utility bill, mortgage) or public (taxes).

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Comment by Will
2010-08-21 08:53:15

So what is the Idaho evection law anyway? We all know how accurate news reports are.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-21 13:34:52

The problem as I see it is that this isn’t a mortgage foreclosure action: it’s technically a “tax lien sale” which IIUC may follow different rules. A new Federal law appears to have gone into effect in May 2009 for eviction of tennants after a mortgage foreclosure, but it’s not clear to me that it covers tax lien sales.

Sorry I don’t have access to Lexis/Westlaw anymore.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-08-21 09:26:02

‘the renters come home one day to find the sheriff putting all their stuff out on the curb’

“I don’t know anything about Idaho eviction laws, but I doubt this is the case.”

I once drove by a townhouse in Illinois with all its contents strewn over the front yard. That was back in 1999/2000, and I haven’t seen anything like it since (even though there are far more foreclosures now than there were then). I’ve got to think that can only happen after a very, very long, protracted, and extremely bitter court case. Who knows, though… it could just as well have been landlord as a lender to move all that out. It wasn’t “thrown” out so much as “placed” out… all the furniture and chairs were upright, for example. There was a car there and a woman shoving stuff into its trunk, and, even though it was a “good” neighborhood, somehow I got the feeling that stuff wasn’t hers.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-21 08:20:18

That would be Illegal…..the occupants must be notified by mail, or nailed to the door a process server has to attempt physical delivery usually 3 times and sign an affidavit to that effect….

So unless the tenants went on a month long vacation i cant see how they would not know and run right down to the court house.

Comment by bink
2010-08-21 14:21:43

Perhaps they didn’t sign a lease? I have some friends in the Richmond, VA area who claim it’s not uncommon to rent with no lease. I have no idea who would do such a stupid thing, but they’re out there.

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Comment by austin
2010-08-21 22:01:21

Not only do I rent without a lease, I pay an extra $50/month for the privilege. That’s the price of an option to move with 30 days notice from the end of the month.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 06:18:48

Friday, Aug. 20, 2010
Consequences of U.S. debt
By MARIO MARGIOCCO

MILAN — Italians and other Europeans have serious problems addressing their own national debts, public and private, so it may seem immodest for a European to discuss America’s growing and grave debt problem.

But the fiscal realities on both sides of the Atlantic nowadays are very similar, and only lingering trust in the promise of America keeps alive the expectation among some Europeans that some grand American maneuver will resolve the country’s dire debt situation.

Of course, many Americans recognize the scale of the country’s debt burden. Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and thus America’s highest-ranking military officer, recently said, “The greatest danger to American security comes from the national debt.”

Four Americans out of 10 agree with him, whereas less than three in 10 deem terrorism or Iran more dangerous.

America’s Great Power status has always been tied to its level of debt. Indeed, it was the absence of debt that marked the United States’ emergence as a world power between 1914 and 1917. The U.S. went from owing $3 billion (mostly to Great Britain) to being a net creditor for about the same amount, thanks to $6 billion in war credits given to the Western Allies. A further $3 billion in credits for European postwar reconstruction cemented America’s status as the world’s premier creditor nation, with its surplus equal to roughly 8 percent of GDP at the time.

This shift meant that the U.S. had essentially replaced Britain as the heart of the world’s financial and monetary system. Previously, thanks to the gold standard and Britain’s political stability, the City of London had been the world’s key source of capital and financial guarantees for more than a century.

The new era began suddenly in January 1915, when, after a few months of deep uncertainty, gold started to be shipped to New York in increasing quantities. A few months earlier, the veteran Boston financier Henry Lee Higginson had sketched in a letter to President Woodrow Wilson what America’s new strategy should be. “This is our chance to take first place,” he wrote. America’s financial house had to be put in order, all debts repaid and, as London had done for a long time, confidence had to be maintained, which meant guaranteeing the dollar’s convertibility into gold.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 06:33:06

I get a kick out of this sort of MSM article, which gives the impression that the bad economic situation arose just yesterday like a lightning bolt out of a clear blue sky. Guess what? We’ve been in an unresolved state of financial panic since early 2007, when subprime collapsed. Bailouts, ZIRP and Fed balance sheet expansion may have served to hide it at times, but did not fix anything.

Get used to it already!

Outside the Box

Aug. 21, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EDT
It’s doom and gloom all over again
Commentary: Survey sees fear trumping greed in the market

By Howard Gold

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Investors are scared–really, really scared.

That’s what our latest MoneyShow.com Investors’ Sentiment indicator tells us, in big, bold, red letters:

HELP!

Our most recent survey of the active, mainly self-directed investors who use MoneyShow.com showed the highest bearish ratings we’ve ever seen–far greater than back in February 2009, just before the market bottomed. Read MoneyShow’s “Investors Aren’t Believers.”

And now, with stocks still 64% off their lows, our usually composed and confident audience, who have kept their eyes on the long-term prize through the worst the markets threw at them, appears finally to have succumbed — or is it capitulated? — to the baser instincts of the reptilian brain.

I would call it “fight or flight,” but after a scary European debt crisis, the flash crash, and a steady drip, drip, drip of dreary economic news, there’s not much fight left in them.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 07:37:21

Mortgage Summit: No New Ideas
Written by Bob Adelmann
Thursday, 19 August 2010 09:50

When Kevin Hall, writing for McClatchy Newspapers, said “the Obama administration got what it was looking for at its summit on the future of housing finance,” he was very close to the truth: No matter who spoke at the summit or what “new” ideas might be proposed, nothing would change — the government would remain fully in charge of mortgage financing for the country.

Hall said the summit (officially called, the Conference on the Future of Housing Finance) designed to develop a proposal for Congress by January, “was a starting point for [the] debate, [which will] carry consequences for all Americans,” even including taxpayers who don’t have mortgages.

How this debate is decided could affect everything from the supply of affordable rental housing to tax deductions for mortgage interest to whether Americans pay significantly more to be homeowners.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner made it clear from the start that the private market would have no influence on the conversation: “We will not support returning Fannie and Freddie to the role they played before conservatorship [in September 2008] where they fought to take market share from private competitors while enjoying the privilege of government support. We will not support a return to the system where private gains are subsidized by taxpayer losses.”

Naturally, the people involved in the summit have been enjoying the fruits of government intervention in the housing market for years, as confirmed by Jim McLeod, the president of Coastal States Bank, a community lender in Beaufort County, South Carolina: “I’m impressed with the fact that they’re asking the right people.” One of those heavily involved in profiting from such intervention was Bill Gross, the managing director of PIMCO, the world’s largest bond fund, who opened the summit by proposing still more government intervention to protect lenders from their errors during the housing bubble. His first proposal was “that the Obama administration order Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to refinance all outstanding mortgages that they back … into today’s historically low interest rates.”

Speaking as one who would profit from such a move, and also as a Keynesian, Gross said that such an order “would free up a significant amount of income for millions of Americans,” who would then go out and spend the money they were previously paying for housing, which would then “boost the economy.” The fact that previous such efforts to stimulate the economy have failed miserably was missing from his comments. In addition, however, Gross said that the new lower-interest mortgages created should continue to be guaranteed by the taxpayer. In short, Gross was proposing that the taxpayer “eat” the difference between the old, toxic, high-rate mortgages that banks are continuing to hold on their books and the newly-created low-interest rate mortgages, which would continue to enjoy government backing just in case they go bad as well. Either way, Gross and PIMCO would continue successfully to game the system.

Comment by George Kengott
2010-08-21 08:56:43

Gross is a parasite. As long as he makes a profit at the expense of the US taxpayer, he’s a happy camper.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 07:53:58

“Savvy investor” = deadbeat scam artist…

Foreclosures boom among nation’s most creditworthy
Updated 7/29/2010 8:44 AM

75% of the largest metro areas posted an increase in foreclosure activity in the first half of 2010.

By Stephanie Armour, USA TODAY

A record number of borrowers once judged the most creditworthy are heading into foreclosure as the job market leaves more homeowners unable to keep up with mortgage payments.

Foreclosures among borrowers with prime conforming loans have shot up 425% since January 2008, according to Lender Processing Services, which compiles mortgage data. Conforming loans are those eligible for purchase by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the federal agencies that buy mortgages from lenders.

Jumbo prime loans not eligible for purchase by Fannie or Freddie have done even worse — foreclosures on those have increased nearly 600%.

Jumbo loans are typically mortgages worth more than $729,750.

“Jobs is a major impact. It’s a huge factor,” says Ken Shuman, a spokesman with Trulia.com, a real estate search engine. “A lot of homeowners on the higher end are also savvy investors. They’re seeing their home has lost 30% of their value, we’re seeing a lot of strategic defaults.”

A strategic default occurs when a borrower stops paying a mortgage they can afford to pay, often because the house’s value has fallen below the loan balance.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-21 11:02:59

I’m still outraged at how Congress forced lenders to lend to these people!

Oh wait…

 
Comment by varelse
2010-08-21 12:20:06

If they were so darned “savvy” they would have never bought those overpriced homes to begin with.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 07:57:58

Real estate economist gives forecast
By Jennifer Davies, UNION-TRIBUNE
Friday, August 20, 2010 at 4:06 p.m.

Do you find yourself constantly whining: “Enough already. When is the economy and housing market going to turn around?

Lawrence Yun, chief economist for the National Association of Realtors, gave his take on that very question at a summit held by the San Diego Association of Realtors on Friday.

The worst appears to be over,” he said.

Yun, who has been criticized for his overly rosy forecasts in the past, made sure to down play his prognosticating skills, telling the crowd: “I will be wrong.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 08:04:50

“I will be wrong.”

Hard to go wrong with that prediction! :-)

 
Comment by George Kengott
2010-08-21 09:01:57

Did Leslie Appleton Young ever say that “she will be wrong” when she was head of the NAR?

We shouldn’t applaud Yun for his caveat. He is just convering his cheerleading arse.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 11:35:40

NAR?

David Lereah was Yun’s predecessor.

LAY is at CAR…

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 08:00:06

California jobless rate unchanged at 12.3%
San Diego’s unemployment grows, but mostly due to seasonal factors

By Dean Calbreath, UNION-TRIBUNE

Friday, August 20, 2010 at 2:51 p.m.

California’s unemployment rate remained unchanged at 12.3 percent in July, although the private sector hiring could not keep pace with the census-related layoffs of government workers, according to data released today by the California Employment Development Department.

The state’s jobless rate was the third highest in the nation, after Nevada, 14.3 percent, and Michigan, 13.1 percent. The national average remained unchanged last month at 9.5 percent.

“There’s very little change from last time around,” said Michael Stead, director of capital markets for Bank of the West. “A few jobs were added on the private side, but not nearly enough to make a dent in the jobless rate.”

At the same time, unemployment in San Diego County rose from 10.5 percent in June to 10.8 percent in July, but most of that was related to the onset of summer vacation season, leading to temporary job cuts at schools.

If the local numbers, like the state’s, were adjusted for seasonal hiring fluctuations, they would show joblessness moving from 10.2 percent in June to 10.5 percent in July, said Lynn Reaser, economist with Point Loma Nazarene University.

“So far this year, the county has gained 10,000 jobs, which is really a stark contrast to the severe recessionary winds blowing in 2009, when the state lost 57,000 jobs during the first seven months of the year,” Reaser said.

But she added that she’s troubled by the large number of jobless workers who appear to be waiting for the economy to approve before seeking jobs.

“There are fewer people coming into the workforce than we’d normally expect during the summer,” she said. “It seems that some have given up the search, deciding that this not the time to be looking for work.”

 
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2010-08-21 11:42:11

Doesn’t show San Diego — even though our unemployment rate just “unexpectedly” shot up from 10.3% to 10.8%…

 
 
Comment by llking
2010-08-21 09:08:51

Squatters At Best

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2012683391_danny21.html

Got to love these gutsy guys.

By this chapter of this curious tale, Mark von der Burg surely is wondering: Why me? What did I do to deserve this?

He’s the Eastside real-estate agent who, two months ago while prepping for an open house to sell a $3.3 million mansion in Kirkland, was stunned to find that complete strangers had moved in and were staking a tortured legal claim to the foreclosed property.

The squatters story went national. It was an apt symbol of the housing meltdown. At the time, I wrote that “mansion squatting” might be the “most naked expression yet of what the crash was all about — the lure of something for nothing.”

Now, I swear I didn’t mean the word “naked” literally. But I’ll get to that twist in a minute.

Comment by rusty
2010-08-21 12:09:01

That serial squatter just may ‘win’ one of those million dollar mansions in a power-squat paper squabble.

But then he’d have to pay the back taxes :-)

Comment by robin
2010-08-21 21:00:06

If they are squatting naked, just exactly what are they doing - : )

 
 
Comment by varelse
2010-08-21 12:29:45

I was almost rooting for the squatter til I read it was a failed RE agent. That changes the whole tone of the story for me.

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-21 10:03:14

Radical Britain

http://www.economist.com/node/16791650?story_id=16791650&CFID=137570966&CFTOKEN=85949754

Britain is being brave and smart enough to confront the debt problem now, rather than later. Greece and Spain are going the same way. Europe is moving out of the welfare mode and will recover faster than the U.S. Uness the U.S. Becomes more radical in spending cuts than Britain. Actually it is not a matter of “if” the U.S. Radically shrinks the federal spending. It is “when.” I prepared for downsizing government spending andbwill welcome it.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-21 11:09:37

2 wars? 13 aircraft carrier task forces? Wall St. passing it’s bad paper to the gov through the back door? Tax breaks and other incentives and butt-covering for large corporations? Bribes, er, block grants, to states to get them to comply with regs? Crumbling infrastructure?

When? I’d be surprised if I see it in my lifetime.

Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-21 11:54:09

Here is the link I preferred to share:

http://www.economist.com/node/16791720?story_id=16791720

Summary: “Britain has embarked on a great gamble. Sooner or later, many other rich-world countries will have to take it too.”

“Others -and not just the tottering likes of Greece and Spain-will surely follow. That includes America. At present, unlike in the 1980s, there is no Reaganesque echo from the other side of the Atlantic: despite the Tea Partiers’ zeal, the Republicans seem as clueless as Mr. Obama in producing a credible medium-term plan to balance America’s budget. But pretty soon, as in Europe, someone will have to come up with one-and Britain, for better or worse, is likely to be the place they will come to for ideas.”

Yes I recall the 1980s beefing up of the US military. I also remember the downsizing of the 1990s. We downsized mostly successfully across the board in military bases. We can do that again, as well as cut entitlements ten percent per year over nine years.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-21 17:27:40

Brittania, look to Athena, and behold thy future…

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Comment by varelse
2010-08-21 12:36:30

When? Never. Not as long as the two party system continues to dominate our politics. Neither dems nor reps have any immediate interest in even slowing down increases in spending, never mind actually making cuts. We’re going over the cliff, and nobody with the power or influence to do so is willing to stop us.

Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-21 12:54:07

I kindly disagree. The USA will survive as a super economy and become a much more decentralized economy than has been seen in a hundred years, and this will be in my lifetime. Even though politicians don’t like it now, they will be FORCED to massively cut government size in America.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-21 14:10:36

I’m sure the British Empire thought the same thing at one time.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-21 14:16:18

But sincerely hope you are right, bill.

 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-21 15:53:25

Governent downsizing is not necessarily depending on public support, but by international economic alliances. Britain has no equivalent tea party, so the government was forced by outside interests to downsize itself. If Britain can, America can!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 10:39:22

There is no bond bubble; just a bloodbath in the making.

I can’t wait to mock the fools who are currently going long into Treasurys!

Government bonds
A bull market in pessimism
A lot has to go wrong to justify today’s rock-bottom bond yields

Aug 19th 2010 | Washington, dc

Low bond yields should comfort central banks: they are the main channel by which they hope to stimulate demand. They are also a boon to governments with yawning fiscal deficits. Whether investors should be similarly comforted is more questionable. Today’s yields offer precious little cushion should inflation turn out higher, growth stronger or central banks less accommodating than current predictions. Some go so far as to call the market a bond bubble. John Richards of Royal Bank of Scotland says current yields imply that the Fed funds rate will rise at a snail’s pace and level out at 3%, a scenario compatible only with a double-dip recession and Japanese-style malaise. “You’d have to argue that either US inflation or potential growth are permanently lower,” he says.

Mr Richards recalls another occasion when investors in Japanese bonds were caught out. In 2003 ten-year government-bond yields shot from 0.5% to 1.5% in just three months, sparked by nothing more than fading fears of deflation and casual remarks by the Bank of Japan. Monetary policy did not change. Banks were all positioned the same way, he says. Once the selling began, it became “indiscriminate…it was a bloodbath.” If the Fed raises rates to 4% by late 2013, as the consensus expects, bonds will sell off violently.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-08-21 10:59:38

I’ve been in treasuries for a while. I’d love to get out, but it still feels too soon. Maybe at the end of the year if we have a nice crash first.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 11:33:55

Hallmark of smart guys buying bubblicious assets: The assumption that they will be able to get out before the inevitable eventual collapse.

Good luck!

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-08-21 13:28:51

:-). I haven’t moved any further into them in quite a while. I just can’t see anything safer yet. Believe me, I don’t want to be in a speculative asset right now. I never would have thought treasuries would have met that description.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 14:02:19

Sounds like you know the right way to speculate: Do it first.

People buying bonds now remind me of a favorite bit of Russ Winter coinage: “Picking up nickels in front of steamrollers.”

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-08-21 16:05:28

That’s how I feel about buying stocks right now, even if they’re going to 12k before they go down.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 16:14:28

“That’s how I feel about buying stocks right now,…”

Same here!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 11:01:20

This housing glut is easily remedied. Simply ask Helicoper Ben, Turbo-tax Tim, and the GSE bosses to stop propping up housing prices on a temporarily high plateau, and soon the inventory glut will be absorbed as the invisible hand of the unfettered free market finds a new equilibrium price.

The recovery in home sales and construction would be nothing short of an economic miracle.

18 August 2010 Last updated at 14:52 ET

Obama says housing glut hindering economic recovery

President Obama: “Slowly, but surely, we are moving in the right direction”

President Barack Obama has said an over-supply of homes is hindering the US economic recovery.

Mr Obama also said the US had to find a way to curb its budget deficit without further slowing economic growth.

“People, consumers, are not going to start spending until they feel a little more confident that the economy’s getting stronger,” he said in Ohio.

Mr Obama is touting Democratic policies on a campaign-style swing through important electoral states.

“The housing market is still a big drag on the economy as a whole,” he said.

“It is going to take some time for us to absorb this inventory, that was really too high… We were building 2 million homes a year when only 1.4 were being absorbed.”

The president told a group of about 30 voters at a private home in the city Columbus that a glut in the housing market was partly responsible for the slow economic recovery.

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Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-08-21 13:17:05

Obama sure is smart!

I don’t think anyone in the United States knew that today’s housing market was an economic problem.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-21 14:09:15

And 2 million of them were fugly cheap crap.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-21 17:41:26

Oh magical invisible hand, is there anything you can’t do? Like stop a deflationary death spiral?

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-21 18:37:44

Obama says housing glut hindering economic recovery

or

Obama sees hindenburg in economic recovery

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 11:07:38

Nice editorial, but I don’t take the impression that the Geithner summit got very far past Bill Gross’s attempt to bolster Pimco’s bottom line.

Financing the dream

By the Editorial Board | Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:00 pm

America has a fundamental decision to make. Has it invested too much in the dream of home-ownership? Despite the fact that more than one in seven American homeowners is delinquent on his mortgage or is in foreclosure, two out of every three American families live in their own homes.

The country has made that possible with mortgage guarantees. It has made home-mortgage interest tax deductible, even though that’s unfair to renters.

Before the housing bubble burst, nearly everyone — Republicans and Democrats alike — was in favor of broadly extending homeownership. In 2002, President George W. Bush said, as only he could, “Owning something is freedom, as far as I’m concerned. It’s part of a free society…. It’s a part of — it’s of being a — it’s a part of — an important part of America.

Right on, dumbsh!t.

There’s no question that somewhere between subprime liar loans and the Henry F. Potter-no-loans-to-lazy-rabble standard is a sound mortgage finance system — one without profiteering, rip-offs and bailouts. Whether Congress can be persuaded to find it is the question.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-21 14:07:54

RE has always been a horse trade in this country.

Caveat emptor barely describes it.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 11:24:20

Wait, Wait…Don’t Tell Me!
Lifestyles of the Rich and Despicable
August 21, 2010

Carl reads three stories about the odd hobbies of CEOs…”high” profits, a furniture fetish, and AIG MIA.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-08-21 14:05:05

Might have been good if I could get past all the introductions and fluff.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-21 12:27:23

Talked with a gal today at the Fedex Store.

She bought a house last year, claimed the $8000 credit. Evidently the IRS challenged/disallowed the credit, gave them the directions on how to appeal.

So they appealed, and supplied all the docs the IRS requested…….and now the IRS is doing a full-blown audit on their 2009 return.

Beware Feds bearing gifts.

Comment by GH
2010-08-21 13:59:18

Makes sense it would open the door to additional scrutiny. I expect the audit it to discourage others from making the same mistake!

Of course their books may have been funny too.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-08-21 15:35:14

Not my impression…..both were USAF. (But who knows for sure anymore…..)

She said it may be because they were running their personal mail out of a PO box last year, because their house had been broken into and a bunch of personal info/stuf was stolen.

 
 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-08-21 14:09:30

Sleep with the Beast, wake up with fleas.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-08-21 14:33:18

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,712511,00.html

America, meet your future. After decades of misrule by corrupt political parties and their allies in the anarcho-communist labor unions, Greece is going to hell in a handbasket.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 16:12:15

I’m thinking California is going to lead the death march along the road to hell.

 
Comment by roger
2010-08-21 16:55:54

Now I know why the smart dishes run away with the spoons. The broken ones that will be left over in Greece will get forked!

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-08-21 19:38:10

No Way Out

The entire country is in the grip of a depression. Everything seems to be going downhill. The spiral is continuing unabated, and there is no clear way out. The worse part, however, is the fact that hardly anyone still hopes that things will improve one day.

That’s funny. I’ve been assured that austerity is the yellow brick road to financial shangri-la. Experience runs a dear school…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 15:46:12

That’s 118 banks in what — 31 weeks? Projecting out to 52 weeks, we are on track for (52/31)*118 = 198 by year end.

I’m curious about the “$450 million hole” mentioned here; is there some kind of budget constraint that limits the amount of federal deposit insurance claims of which I am not aware?

Aug. 21, 2010, 3:07 p.m. EDT
Eight bank failures bring U.S. total to 118 for the year
By John Letzing and Kristen Gerencher, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Eight banks were closed by U.S. regulators Friday, bringing the total number of failures for the year to 118 and punching a more than $450 million hole in the federal deposit-insurance fund, as the effects of the credit crisis continue to ripple through the financial system.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 17:09:56

Buy now, and compete with “desperate capital.”

Are these the sort of folks the government is trying to encourage to buy homes, with its myriad housing price stabilization programs?

Professional investors move into flipping foreclosed homes

Squeezing out amateurs, private equity funds and wealthy individuals are buying distressed properties at public auctions, refurbishing them and selling them for quick profits.

Auction ritual

Bruce Norris, left, of Norris Group, a real estate investment firm in Riverside, and other potential bidders in lawn chairs watch an auction of properties on the steps of the Riverside Historic Courthouse. (Irfan Khan, Los Angeles Times / August 3, 2010)

By Walter Hamilton and Alejandro Lazo Los Angeles Times

August 20, 2010

Hoping there are big profits to be made in the aftermath of California’s housing collapse, professional investors are flocking to the business of buying foreclosed homes at distressed prices.

The investors, primarily private equity funds and groups of wealthy individuals, purchase the homes at public auctions, which are held daily on the steps of local courthouses. They refurbish the properties and try to sell them for quick profits.

Not long ago, the typical home flipper was an amateur tapping a home equity line or savings for an investment property. But professionals have rushed in, partly because of sparse investment opportunities elsewhere.

In crisis there’s opportunity,” said Rick Hudson, president of investment firm Prosperity Group Real Estate in Irvine. “Right now there’s huge opportunity with flipping houses.

Closely watched gauges of professional buying have surged over the last two years.

The number of homes sold at foreclosure auctions statewide increased to 4,336 in April, from 884 in January 2009, according to research firm ForeclosureRadar. It eased back to 3,483 in July as banks offered fewer properties for sale. The auctions are dominated by professional investors who shop with cash (although not usually with actual greenbacks, for practical reasons).

Another measure, the percentage of all homes sold to absentee buyers, paints a similar picture. In the hard-hit Inland Empire, for instance, 30% of all homes sold in April went to absentee buyers — up from 19% at the end of 2008 and the highest level in at least seven years, according to San Diego research firm MDA DataQuick. It was at 28.2% in July.

The binge of professional buying has helped spark a nascent housing recovery in Southern California because investors have cut significantly into the glut of foreclosed properties after the subprime mortgage meltdown.

Home sales in the six-county region rose 7.2% in June from May and 2.6% from a year earlier, according to MDA DataQuick. In July, overall sales tumbled primarily because of the expiration of federal tax credits, falling 20.6% from the month before in Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego and Ventura counties. But the region’s median home price of $295,000 was off only 1.7% from June.

The fragile rebound in the broader market contrasts with the behind-the-scenes scramble at foreclosure auctions.

There’s a tremendous amount of capital that is desperate to just buy anything right now,” said Gil Priel, principal of a real estate investment firm in Woodland Hills.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 18:00:15

One big problem created by government efforts to prop up home prices is that it encourages flippers, who are trying to capture the gains from the short-term runup in prices after the announcement of new government price support programs, to crowd out would-be end-user buyers. At the end of the day, I expect another generation of flippers to take a bath, and to drive home prices to still lower levels in yet another race to the exits. Meanwhile, the potential is lost for lower (dare I say “affordable”) housing prices to attract an influx of qualified workers to plant the seeds of economic recovery.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-08-21 17:12:31

Latinos Own Almost Half Of Foreclosures In California, Says Report
August 20th 2010

A ‘first of its kind’ report was recently released by the Center for Responsible Lending, a non-profit research and public policy group. The report, entitled “Dreams Deferred: Impact and Characteristics of the California Foreclosure Crisis”, looked into the racial makeup of California home foreclosures.

Analyzing more than half a million foreclosures, the report revealed that Latinos experience higher foreclosure rates vis-à-vis non-Hispanic home owners. Of the statewide foreclosures, 48% were owned by Latinos. Other figures in the report are: Whites 35%, African Americans 8% and Asians 6%.

The Center for Responsible Lending also looked at the types of homes that were foreclosed. Contrary to popular belief, the homes that went on the market were not the “McMansions” type built in lavish subdivisions. In fact, 75% of those foreclosed properties can be described as ‘modest’.

Why were more Latino homes closed then? The report also delved into this.

Higher cost sub-prime mortgages were most likely to be granted to Latinos and African-Americans. Both also enjoy loan terms that increase risk of default. White borrowers, on the other hand, only safer loans are granted them.

A Wall Street Journal in-depth report in 2009 looked at Latino home ownership and revealed another reason as to why they have the highest cases of foreclosures. According to numbers from US Census Bureau, Hispanic home ownership grew to 47% in the years 2000 to 2007 even though national numbers were only up by 8% in the same period. In 2005 alone, says the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council, mortgages given to Hispanics increased by 29% and the expensive non-prime mortgages soared at 169%.

Low-income housing groups and Hispanic lawmakers all pushed for higher home-ownership among Latinos. And this may well be the reason behind the booming mortgages granted the Hispanics. Recent events show that this enthusiasm over the American dream seems to be failing.

Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-21 19:06:45

“low-income housing groups and Hispanic lawmakers” - gasp! You mean NOT the evil bankster villains the socialists here have been carping about? Say it ain’t so!

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-21 18:37:50

A new find on zillow.com in my Ahwatukee neighborhood: a house for sale since two days ago at $175,000 next to one for sale the last 36 months for $375,000. Zillow value of each is similar, about $200,000. The new listing changed hands several times. A couple of sales in 2003 over $300,000. Zillowed at $158,000 in 2001. It attracts me for NOT having a pool. House is over 1600 sq ft. Very close to my house budget (cash purchase). Pictures on zillow look likevthe house is well kept.

Yet at the same time I am liking my apartment more and more. IMO, I am renting the best unit in the complex. Got a cool remote control to open the gate while driving in from the main road and I feel very secluded, as I want to be. So I am very patient. I will wait for houses on the other side of the park to tank. Probably 2012.

Needless to say, prices still falling. The Ahwatukee Foothills News just printed an article Friday boasting AF spared some pain of deepening foreclosure crisis.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-08-21 22:43:16

The NY Times has a story on a mega mansion in Georgia that has languished on the market now for SEVENTEEN YEARS. That’s got to be some kind of record.

It has languished there for the last 17 years. One potential buyer, Mr. Dean said, was Michael Jackson, who wanted the place in 1994 as a surprise for his fiancée, Lisa Marie Presley. But when the media reported Mr. Jackson’s plan and ruined the surprise, he did not sign the contract. Mr. Dean would not say how much Mr. Jackson was going to pay, but the home was on the market for $40 million.

Now, at last, the estate has sold — for $7.6 million. The buyer, the entertainment mogul Tyler Perry, has said he plans to demolish it and build his own home, one that is environmentally friendly and made of concrete.

Why buy a $7 million “tear down”? Nothing in this story makes any sense.

Comment by DennisN
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-08-22 06:03:03

Location location location…..it must have a 7 million dollar view….or maybe large enough to land a helicopter….or private enough to hold 500 naked women without the paparazzi watching

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Why buy a $7 million “tear down”

Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-08-22 08:28:14

500 naked women? That place would be worth looking into.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-08-23 12:11:50

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