September 5, 2010

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 01:40:57

Good Morning Clueless America……rise and shine for another day of wasting our precious resources on deadbeat HoeOHnaz…

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:18:24

another day of wasting our precious resources on deadbeat Bankstas

Fixed.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 04:11:38

Government to Deploy Broader Mortgage Aid ~ WSJ

The Obama administration on Tuesday will launch its most ambitious effort at reducing mortgage balances for homeowners who owe more than their homes are worth.

Officials say between 500,000 and 1.5 million so-called underwater loans could be modified through the program, the first initiative to target homeowners who are current on their mortgage payments but are at risk of default because they have no equity in their homes. Some experts are warning, however, that the same knots that tied up prior initiatives could do so again.

Under the new “short refinance” program, banks and other creditors that write down mortgages to less than the value of the property can essentially hand off the reduced loan to the government. The process involves refinancing borrowers into loans backed by the Federal Housing Administration.

While the program puts taxpayers at risk—officials estimate one in five loans in the program could default—the government has set aside $14 billion previously earmarked for housing aid from the Troubled Asset Relief Program to cover losses.

The new program, which was announced in March, is starting as the housing market shows signs of renewed trouble and as the Obama administration’s signature Home Affordable Modification Program, or HAMP, falls short of its goals of helping three million homeowners. Half of the 1.3 million borrowers that enrolled in temporary loan modifications have fallen out of HAMP because they didn’t qualify. Only one-third has received permanent modifications.

Comment by rms
2010-09-05 07:08:52

“Half of the 1.3 million borrowers that enrolled in temporary loan modifications have fallen out of HAMP because they didn’t qualify. Only one-third has received permanent modifications.”

Most of these folks dropped-out because they committed mortgage fraud when they bought their “liar loans.” Obama has now declared, “no sweat dawg, fraud B okay.”

 
Comment by oxide
2010-09-05 07:20:58

the first initiative to target homeowners who are current on their mortgage payments but are at risk of default because they have no equity in their homes.

What a piece of f*^*ckin bogus journalism. If you can afford the payments, then you are NOT in danger of losing your home. Even if you have no equity at all. Don’t these young reporters have the slightest knowledge of how this works?

And could they PLEEEZE distinguish between “refinancing” and “writing down the balance?” It’s a HUGE difference.

Good god.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-09-05 07:57:56

What? Had enough of socialism finally?

Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-09-05 08:39:34

Well, we don’t have all that much choice, but I did prefer Bush’s first stimulus handout. At least I got a little check out of the deal.

I think you’re confusing “pandering” with “socialism”. Check your dictionary.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:13:56

“At least I got a little check out of the deal.”

Wife got a $2000 viola bow and a tax break, and the local violin shop got much-needed economic stimulus. Worked for us!

 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-09-05 22:08:46

How you gonna make a stick with some horse hair $2000!!

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-09-05 09:34:51

I’d be happy with it if I had ‘bought’ a home. Since I’m a renter, then no.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:21:53

What? Had enough of socialism finally?

Yep. I’ve had about enough of all the corporate crony, FIRE sector, socialism I can stand.

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Comment by Kim
2010-09-05 09:16:32

“banks and other creditors that write down mortgages to less than the value of the property can essentially hand off the reduced loan to the government”

Umm… if banks were really all that willing to write down the mortgage to less than the value of the property from the get-go, wouldn’t it be smoother to do more short sales or even foreclosures so the same FBs couldn’t stiff them twice?

Comment by polly
2010-09-05 11:26:50

Good analysis. There seems to be an assumption that the reason the other loans aren’t being written down is because the banks don’t want the risk of holding the written down loan. This program could actually increase the number of refi’s if the remaining problem were not wanting to dump too much inventory at once which would lower prices meaning the next short sale and the next and the next would be at still lower prices.

What I don’t get is how this is going to get around FHA loan requirements. FHA has low downpayment requirements, but isn’t it fairly strict on income ratios and such? The 20% estimate on further defaults seems to imply that they do expect substantial defaults so maybe they are abandoning the traditional ratios? Or a lot of the people who get into the program to end up unemployed soon after? But the low amount of money assigned to cover the costs seems to imply that there won’t be much of a loss on each house that defaults. So they think that most of the loss of value has already happened? Does FHA require the loans to be recourse?

I stil think a large chunk of the problems is that the banks simply don’t have authority from the bond holders to do the write downs at all. If that is the case, this will have no impact at all.

Comment by Kim
2010-09-05 14:05:03

“I still think a large chunk of the problems is that the banks simply don’t have authority from the bond holders to do the write downs at all. If that is the case, this will have no impact at all.”

Bingo! And even though they’re out the money, they’re probably losing less by dangling the carrot in front of the FB’s (and taking a step back every time the FB tries to grab it) than they ever will getting $1,000 from the government for modifying the loan.

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Comment by Jerry
2010-09-05 12:27:58

Another Bail Out… What about for the responsible renters, those paying fairly ever month on their loans, many underwater?
Socialism from our New Government Men. Can’t wait for the next bomb. How about the buzz now to nationalize all IRA, 401 accounts with new issue government annuitys? Will that be the same as dollar paper “notes” backed up the insolvent US Government? Trust Us!
Can’t wait to transfer into this new safe program. When the government decides “its time” to smash the stock market and then everyone runs to this new safe program after all the IRA, 401 fails all taking now this new full faith paper promises like will be great gain. Sleep like a baby now!

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:24:15

You do realize this isn’t about the homeowners, it’s about the banks, right?

And yes, I’m tired of the Wall St. corporate communism myself.

 
 
 
Comment by stpn2me
2010-09-05 04:12:40

Hey guys..

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/04/white-house-deploy-broader-mortgage-aid/

Gosh, I wish I had bought a $400,000 house that is now worth $200,000 and get the govt to write down the value so I can get a lower payment. Think they will do that with cars too?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 06:18:33

Hey dude! Glad to see you post; hope you are safe and sound on U.S. terra firma.

Comment by scdave
2010-09-05 07:45:51

Me to…Glad to see you safe & sound….

 
Comment by stpn2me
2010-09-05 08:03:57

Thanks bear…

The wife is NINE months now…

We are renting in PA. Glad I didnt buy a house. Beautiful country here. Getting cold.

I am getting angry at homeowners getting so many breaks. I should have bought a million dollar house when I could, let the value drop and start crying…

They are taking the risk out of contracts and in a way, implying that an injustice has been done and using tax dollars to make homeowners whole…

Pisses me off..

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 09:15:03

Home/property owners pay the property taxes that keep state and local governments afloat. The Feds know this. If we all turn into renters, property tax collections (in fact, tax collections of all types, Federal and Local) would be a lot more uncertain.

Hence, the push to “keep people in their home”…..

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-05 10:50:52

“If we all turn into renters, property tax collections (in fact, tax collections of all types, Federal and Local) would be a lot more uncertain.”

No. The houses are still owned by _someone_ even if they are rentals. Collections would be as certain as they are today. Liens are a strong motivator.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 12:04:34

I beg to differ. Reality trumps theory.

Extracting taxes from business owners with deep pockets is a lot tougher than getting them from sheeple homeowners.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:27:10

No. The houses are still owned by _someone_ even if they are rentals.

…who usually own more than… one.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-05 14:36:26

“Extracting taxes from business owners with deep pockets is a lot tougher than getting them from sheeple homeowners.”

Landlords do tend to pay their property taxes. Reality bears this out.

Furthermore, if they should decide not to, the houses themselves could as surety, and the state/county can eventually auction them off to satisfy their tax lien.

The taxes _eventually_ get paid. The process typically takes longer than a lenders foreclosure (the length of time required to foreclose due to tax liens varies from state to state; some are as long as three years), but it gets the job done.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:10:38

“The houses are still owned by _someone_ even if they are rentals.”

What would stop a large bank, armed with zero-percent Fed-funded finance, from buying up huge swaths of foreclosure homes and turning them into a profitable rental empire?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 09:43:45

“They are taking the risk out of contracts…”

I used to work in the insurance industry. The rules of credit, insurance and finance have been corrupted for a generation to come by the recent govt-sponsored practice of revising the rules while the game was in progress. There will be many unintended and unforeseen negative consequences to the future operation of our financial system thanks to this expedient desecration of the rules.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-05 06:34:54

Once again it’s posturing. The new program will be rolled out and only an handful of people will actually qualify for the reductions.

As someone else said on this forum, it’s only to give the impression that they are doing something to help the underwater set, without actually helping them.

Comment by victhebrickv
2010-09-05 11:22:04

You are correct. They state the amount put aside is 14 billion for the program. Let’s just say it is $100,000 per loan and that would only save 140,000 homes. This is not going to make much of a dent say in California or NY. Looks like it will only help those upside down on cheaper homes.

Comment by pismoclam
2010-09-05 20:46:55

All he cares about is those idiots in Detroit !

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 21:59:30

I’d think that would come back and bite him in the back of the neck on election day, if ten out of eleven underwater borrowers get their hopes up, only to later discover they don’t qualify for their own personal bailout.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 06:43:34

They should do that for all the student loans in exchange you work 5 years at a non profit, ghetto school, or out in some Indian reservation….

Comment by oxide
2010-09-05 07:22:56

Don’t they already do that?

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 09:15:38

Ox;

Then why do we have so many stories of people who default on the loans…just yesterday…Man calls off relationship when she had $170K in debt…..

But who would pay her to be the nations photographer in exchange for paying down the debt?

The debts were racked up getting degrees that are not needed in da ghetto, or in podunk kansas

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Comment by polly
2010-09-05 10:48:32

No. There was a proposal that the balance of government guaranteed student loans should be forgiven after the graduate has paid 10% of their salary for 10 years. As far as I know it hasn’t even gotten into bill form, never mind actually been voted on. I also never saw a cost estimate.

There aren’t enough non-profit/ghetto schools/Indian reservations in the country to begin to hire all the young adults that get out of school with lots of student loans for 5 years.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 07:28:32

Back in the 1990’s, Nevada didn’t have a law school. So the deal was if you moved to NV, passed their bar, and practiced for X years, they would pay off your law school loans. I had a friend who took advantage of this program.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:28:24

Unless you’ve paid off that 400K house, you don’t own it. The bank does.

Again, this is about the banks.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 04:26:51

“The topic no one wants to talk about: house prices. They need to fall more. Washington has attempted to prop them up with some 18 different programs from mortgage buyouts to tax schemes. It delayed the fall of prices for a time. But they have begun to fall again, exactly to the point where nature wants to take them.” ~Facing the Music.

< Lew Rockwell explains that you can’t artificially boost both supply and demand at the same time, which is exactly what Washington has been trying to do. Lew compares the 1930’s economic depression with the present one and notes the major differences between what consumers can do today, with credit cards and deferred debt, compared to the hapless consumers of the ’30s.

Rockwell quotes von Mises, who had it all figured out in 1931.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/reality-economics153.html

Comment by ACH
2010-09-05 06:46:26

This little hobby of the US Gov’t is the biggest waste of money I can think of. Demand has collapsed and so the gov’t is going to step in to support the housing market until when? … demand comes back? It’s been three or more years so far and demand has continued to soften and sag. Now we have another housing market “prop-op.”

I’ll bet it works this time!

We’ll keep a’ doin’ it ’til we does it rite!

Roidy

Comment by DebtinNation
2010-09-05 07:24:27

Here’s a little verse from Isaiah 5:9 that the government should heed: “Truly, many houses shall be desolate, Great and beautiful ones, without inhabitant.”

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 09:26:17

Until the regular Joe starts getting more income, there’s no hope of any of these problems being “fixed”.

And thanks to the Globalization and Free Trade Cheerleaders, all the pressure on wages is downward.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:39:03

Oh, it’s worse than that…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100905/ap_on_bi_ge/us_employment_future_jobs

Future hiring will mainly benefit the high-skilled

…some economists expect job openings to fall mainly into two categories of roughly equal numbers:

• Professional fields with higher pay. Think lawyers, research scientists and software engineers.

• Lower-skill and lower-paying jobs, like home health care aides and store clerks.

And those in between? Their outlook is bleaker. Economists foresee fewer moderately paid factory supervisors, postal workers and office administrators.

Hiring can’t come fast enough for the 14.9 million unemployed Americans. Counting part-time employees who would prefer full-time jobs, plus out-of-work people who have stopped looking for jobs, the number of “underemployed” is 26.2 million.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:31:52

the gov’t is going to step in to support the housing market until when?

Until those mark-to-fantasy Level 3 assets owned by banks and investment houses can be quietly retired/dumped on someone.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:17:14

They’ve already had two years to execute their toxic waste dumping operation, which the TARP was supposed to fund. What is taking so long?

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 18:26:36

There’s more of it than they will EVER tell us about.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 05:19:16

Remember 2007? Panic was beginning to set in and Congress, rattled - as always, raised the public debt ceiling on September 28th to a staggering $9.81 trillion!!

Congress blew through the new borrowing level in nothing flat. By July 30, ‘08, it was necessary to raise the debt ceiling to $10.6 trillion.

That wasn’t nearly enough. Congress has raised the debt ceiling FOUR TIMES since then! It’s now $14.3 trillion. And what’s the actual public debt right now?

$13,449,652,537,035.05

Your U.S. Congress has raised the debt ceiling 73 times since 1940. Maybe we need put the brakes on the runaway spending spree and vote for a different breed of politician.

Comment by palmetto
2010-09-05 05:35:53

That debt will never be paid off. Ever. It’s a complete joke. Just like Congress.

Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 05:54:14

“It’s a complete joke”

You are right it is a complete “joke” in the sense that it will never and can never be re-paid. The unfunny part is that it will bring down our financial system in the long run, and that end is getting much closer, thanks to congress. The dim-witted voting masses will keep right on sending the same dismantlers in over and over again.

Comment by palmetto
2010-09-05 06:00:00

“it will bring down our financial system in the long run,”

I’m all for that, as long as something better takes its place. I’m actually in awe of how they’ve been able to keep the charade going.

I’m thinking the “solution” to that debt will be to scuttle the financial system anyway.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-09-05 06:07:14

Be careful for what you wish for. Right now our financial system works. What we are witnessing (and are now living through) is its modification. But this has always been the case: Financial systems are constantly being modified, are constantly evolving.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 06:20:23

“I’m actually in awe of how they’ve been able to keep the charade going.”

That aspect of the debacle is indeed quite impressive to behold!

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-09-05 06:21:41

Yeah, I hear ya, combo. Mass societal breakdown would not be pretty. I really don’t wish that. If the financial system would modify to the point of being somewhat sane, that’s OK with me. I just don’t see it happening and I don’t see that debt ever being paid off and the only way to discharge it is the death of debtor, in this case the US, in the form of dissolution or whatever.

I love what the US was. I’ve often commented on how grateful I am to have been a citizen of this country and to have had a great life here. But I look around now at members of Congress, the large corporations and financial interests, the splintered citizenry, the new gaggles of resentful immigrants grabbing for goodies, both legal and illegal, and I find I have no loyalty to much of it, nor do I care much what happens.

I still vote, though. Old habits die hard.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-09-05 06:35:51

I don’t know just how many people get this, but all this pain and disruption is normal in a society that is being restructured, and that is what is happening to our society, it is being restructured.

There is no way that massive borrowing-and-spending can continue forever. Sometime it has to stop.

Well, it has finally stopped, or it is in the process of stopping. Either way things are a changin’. And with this change comes a lot of pain for a lot of people. The goal for everyone here should be not to be one of these people.

 
Comment by Ernest
2010-09-05 06:42:37

“”I don’t know just how many people get this, but all this pain and disruption is normal in a society that is being restructured, and that is what is happening to our society, it is being restructured.”"

It sure is and in may ways too not just financially. That is not necessarily a good thing nor necessarily for our benefit.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-05 07:14:01

I’m still in awe that combie suggested what we’re watching now is a working system. Creating money from thin air and injecting it in a system that can only hang together through further hair of the dog borrowing is not a working system. Everyone at the HBB knows the pain will come one way or another. It’s just a matter of time. Our leaders are not preparing most of us to be ready for the next period as they cling to the dying system.

Am I grateful to have seen it when it worked well? It was nice to experience how committed a middle class community was to each other back in the 70s. I got to watch community leaders make decisions that were long term oriented and got to see the fruits of their labor turn the town into something people from all over the world enjoyed. But I haven’t really seen that level of cohesion in groups since the early 90s. And most people are still arguing the rights of the individual vs what needs to be done to make a group strong. It’s Strauss and Howe’s Fourth Turning. I suppose if you agree in the Strauss and Howes four stages of history you’ll believe our country will once again see that cohesion when they rebuild. But first we must endure the crisis.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-09-05 07:36:26

“I’m still in awe that combie suggested what we’re watching now is a working system.”

What we are watching now is a working system that is evolving. The system is working in that it is evolving. The system’s flexability is what makes the system work. The system changes as time changes.

You mentioned the Fourth Turning. You stated “But first we must endure the crisis”. The system must also endure the crisis. We are entering the crisis with one system (borrow-and-spend, a Consumer-based Economy, etc.) and will emerge from the crisis with another system (i.e. There is no free lunch).

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-09-05 08:06:26

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.” - Charles Mackay

 
Comment by SUGuy
2010-09-05 09:14:38

Here is an article that touches this subject.

“Do we want to have an opportunity society with a safety net or a cradle-to-grave society with a welfare state?”

Insecurity in America is on the rise—and was even before the Great Recession.

The Rockefeller Foundation just released a study of economic insecurity in America, which was developed by Yale professor Jacob Hacker and measures harsh changes in circumstance: For example, it reveals how many Americans have been subjected to a staggering decline of 25 percent of “available household income,” either from loss of income or sudden, unanticipated out-of-pocket medical costs, and how many were without the savings to buffer the damage. Brutal losses such as these take six to eight years to recover from, the report said.

Economic insecurity affected 12.2 percent of Americans in 1985 and spiked to 17 percent during the 2000 downturn. In 2007, when economists were celebrating “the Great Moderation,” insecurity was higher than in 1985, affecting 13.7 percent of Americans. In 2009, after the downturn, Hacker estimates that one in five Americans was hit with a 25 percent decline in available household income. And the report estimates that between 1996 and 2006—before the collapse—fully 60 percent experienced such loss

http://www.thenation.com/blog/151804/insecure-america

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 13:04:02

This is nothing new to anyone who lives outside Wall Street or the Beltway.

Since I’ve been working, it’s been nothing but 3%/year “raises”, and continuous medical and retirement cost-shifting onto employees. And this is Business/Corporate Aviation, arguably one of the “healthiest” business sectors until recently, and facing (currently) limited competition worldwide from China or elsewhere.

So much for “upgrading skills”…….I’ve got extensive Factory training, and experience working on Cessna Citations (C-500 thru C-750), Falcon 20s and 900s, and Gulfstream G-200. A smattering of Hawker 800 experience. Along with the associated avionics and powerplants. And I’m making (inflation-adjusted) less money than I was as a fresh out of school newbie in 1979.

In the meantime, the career ladder has been trashed for anyone under 35 or so, because nobody in business wants to pay for training anymore. Soon, you will hear the business-class bleating about “open positions, but nobody has the skills to fill them”, at which time they will whine to Congress about throwing out more Green-Cards, to import workers from countries who actually give a crap about skills training, and are willing to pack 20 people in a crapshack, because they only pay $9/hour.

Goodbye US Middle Class, it was fun while it lasted…..too bad you had to be sacrificed on the alter of Free-Trade, Globalization, Environmentalism, and Over-the Top government Nanny-State regulation, to name just a few.

(Actually, good riddance. We were the cause of all the world’s problems. Just ask anyone who wasn’t a member)

Something is really fooked in this country, and I don’t see any of our self-proclaimed “leadership” doing anything to correct it.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:40:35

“it will bring down our financial system in the long run,”

Pssst, don’t look now, but it already it.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:45:07

There is nothing written in stone that says our system can’t “devolve.”

Just ask any of the umpteen former empires from history. Most recently, Great Britain.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 14:50:59

Welcome GS to the new “intern” America where YOU will need to have the latest computer and upgraded skills to use for the non paying job….

Its almost mandatory today, don’t waste time on survival jobs, just work for free in your field and you might get a paying job

I see a lot of people livin in moms basement in our future

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In the meantime, the career ladder has been trashed for anyone under 35 or so, because nobody in business wants to pay for training anymore. Soon, you will hear the business-class bleating about “open positions, but nobody has the skills to fill them”

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-09-05 09:08:34

This chart is a good reminder that we’ve paid down larger debts than this, and in our recent history. The problem is we decided mid-way to juice the economy with some good old-fashioned ‘conservative’ deficit spending. This was done not to offset a pre-existing depression (which is a rational reason for deficit spending), but rather to give non-working economic theories (trickle-down and deregulation of the financial industry) the appearance of working- long enough for some serious looting.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-09-05 11:03:42

non-working economic theories (trickle-down and deregulation of the financial industry)

I should add so-called free trade to that list.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 11:31:51

What a fascinating chart! Shows the climb in debt-to-GDP ratio climb from the end of the early 1980s to the present was only broken by (surprise!) Clinton’s years in the WH, and is currently growing at the steepest rate since WWII, off a high base.

Where this leads and how it ends is something for those with a better grasp of economic history than I have to answer.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 06:02:57

wmbz

it’s not the debt, its what we are getting for it. We should have the finest roads and mass transit in the world.

We should have a public school system so good, It would be embarrassing if any high school graduate had to take remedial courses to get into college.

We should be teaching our kids that it is alright to get your hands dirty and learn how to fix things, especially the girls.

Even simple things like like adding memory to the computer and changing the dvd drive ’cause it quit working…

Its really amazing how helpless people are today…

Comment by polly
2010-09-05 10:57:14

+1000

And I’ll add a robust electical grid so private industry can invest in renewable energy and know they will have a way to get it to consumers.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 14:52:56

yes and my dream is a solar panel on the car to run almost free in many parts of the country.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:50:17

You have problem with Corporate Communist Capitalism©®™, comrade?

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-05 06:33:21

When ever there is a trial balloon floated for a major spending cut the peasants speak of revolt. Let’s face it. There are many out there practically cheering this debt bubble on. Amercans have grown accustomed to this level of spending and it now represents a bar they refuse to go below.

Comment by combotechie
2010-09-05 07:50:41

“Americans have grown accoustomed to this level of spending and it now represents a bar they refuse to go below.”

Going below the bar isn’t a matter of choice. If the money is not there then below the bar is where they will go.

Comment by Elli D.
2010-09-05 12:41:56

The funny thing is that the money is never actually “there”, if it comes from a loan. It’s just “virtual” money and that’s the problem.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-09-05 11:38:40

If we go too far below the bar, deflation sets in and puts us in an ever deepening hole in regard to our ability to repay the debt.

Comment by combotechie
2010-09-05 14:11:47

“… and puts us in an ever deeping hole in regard to our ability to repay the debt.”

If the ability to repay the debt disappears then the debt will not be repaid and those who are owed the money will have to do without.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 05:20:24

Lest we forget! The U.S. Constitution was written in 1787 to replace the flawed Articles of Confederation, which, among other failings, permitted the issuing of irredeemable paper currency.

“The 1781 Articles of Confederation needed fixing, particularly with respect to putting the kibosh on irredeemable paper currency. Forty-seven years after ratification of the new constitution President Andrew Jackson explained it: ‘…it was the purpose of the Convention to establish a currency consisting of the precious metals. These were adopted as a permanent rule excluding the use of a perishable medium of exchange, such as certain agricultural commodities recognized by the statutes of some States as tender for debts, or the still more pernicious expedient of paper currency.’

Comment by chilidoggg
2010-09-05 06:08:49

When I had to memorize the preamble to the constitution in seventh grade, I don’t recall reciting “kibosh.” And Wikipedia cites the Oxford English Dictionary as indicating that the origin of this word is obscure and likely of Irish origin. I had always assumed it was Yiddish. Typical goy.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-09-05 07:13:42

“Typical goy”
My Irish EE husband uses yiddish more than most, and recently read a lot of yiddish has a German language origin.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-05 11:00:26

“excluding the use of a perishable medium of exchange, such as certain agricultural commodities recognized by the statutes of some States as tender for debts”

I’m not sure I see the problem of a currency backd by something like an agricultural commodity. For example, imagine if a dollar was backed by a bushel of corn—exchangable for one at any time in the future.

At least then it would be back by _something_!

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-05 11:46:20

The problem with money that’s “backed by something” becomes plainly evident when the country desperately, critically, NEEDS more money than can be back by all the “something” the country possesses.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-05 14:32:26

You can print as many claims on future corn as you need to, though. You don’t need to actually stockpile all of the corn.

In other words, you can print as much as you want, and the value of the currency is still tied to something real and fixed rather than constantly losing value due to inflation.

To me, that sounds like the best of both world.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-05 19:50:06

….imagine if a dollar was backed by a bushel of corn—exchangable for one at any time in the future…

Exchangeable at any time… ?
The dollars backed by claims on future corn cannot be exchanged.

The flip side of that is if you have a extremely bountiful corn harvest. Corn is everywhere. We’re drowning in corn. It’s left to rot in the fields because there’s just too much of it.

If a bushel of corn is practically worthless, so would be the dollar.
——-

Money backed by “nothing specific” is just a convenient way to barter our goods and services. Not only can dollars be exchanged for corn, but they can “buy” piano lessons.. or a new toaster.. or whatever.. whenever.
Money need not have any “real” value beyond that of a universally accepted IOU.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 05:24:04

“The vision of getting something for nothing, or getting something that someone else has to pay for, explains why so many Americans are duped by politicians.” ~Dr. Walter Williams

This brings us back to Professor Franz Oppenheimer who neatly explained in his early 20th century book Der Staat that there are only two ways to exist - either by working to supply one’s shelter, raiment, and food….OR, living out of the pockets of people who do.

It really is that simple.

Comment by palmetto
2010-09-05 05:51:40

“The vision of getting something for nothing, or getting something that someone else has to pay for, explains why so many Americans are duped by politicians.” ~Dr. Walter Williams

Illegals like this, too. They wannabe a part of the great “underclass”. Who can blame them? It sucks having to pick crops.

Comment by potential buyer
2010-09-05 09:44:52

This isn’t just illegals. Its citizens on disabiity who don’t have a darn thing wrong with them, its being on welfare and not wanting to work, its ripping us off with medicare billings. The list is endless.

Unless illegals have a valid SS#, the most they can do is collect for their children - who are citizens. Other than that, they would have to get food from the churches, etc.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 11:16:53

They need to assign SSN 000-00-0000 to all illegals as a placeholder. Employers of illegals would have to contribute 6% to that account, as would the illegals themselves. The monies would be used to support SS payments in general.

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Comment by rms
2010-09-05 12:55:05

“The vision of getting something for nothing…”

The secret formula of every religion.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:52:47

It’s GOOD to be the Banksta!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 05:35:33

A New Program To Attack Underwater Mortgages
By Tom Lindmark|Sep 4, 2010, 11:55 PM|Author’s Website

So what’s behind this. Well, the article contains one rather interesting observation:

The administration’s plan doesn’t target loans held by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which own or guarantee half of the $10 trillion in U.S. first-mortgage debt, to avoid inflicting big upfront losses.

Instead, officials hope to reach more loans that were bundled by Wall Street firms and sold to investors as mortgage-backed securities. For more than a year, many of those investors, which include hedge funds and pension funds, have been clamoring for such a program because they have already had to mark down the value of their holdings.

“It’ll take some really crappy loans out of the marketplace…and replace them with much higher-quality” mortgages, said Scott Simon, a managing director at Pacific Management Investment Co.

So who are these hedge and pension funds that are clamoring for relief. Could it be bottom fishers who bought this stuff at deep discounts and have the flexibility to modify loans without incurring a loss. Is this just a means for them to cash out rather than holding onto these loans? Has the game been to not modify even though their acquisition price allows for it in order to induce the government to provide a liquidity facility?

I’m speculating obviously, but this program seems so pointless on its face that I’m induced to believe that there is something else at work. Just getting jaded I guess.

Comment by potential buyer
2010-09-05 09:46:19

So they get their relief and Freddie and Fannie end up with them anyway. Or should I say, we do?

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-05 11:02:48

The fact that this program targets only mortgages held by private banks, not ones held by the GSEs, should make its real purpose abundantly obvious to anyone with a brain: it is intended to be a massive hand-out to banks, and it is intended to move the future losses onto the taxpayers.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-09-05 12:09:49

The Banks/mortgage middle men passed on this loan paper to Wall Street who leveraged it and passed it on to investors . The Banks might service the loan ,but they didn’t own a lot of that paper .

Many of these bundles of loans were not even processed correctly regarding title . If they can get the Homeowner to sign a new
government backed loan than the Lender of record becomes more legal than what they have now . They screw up royal along with
not underwriting loans . Given the normal course of law ,parties to
the transaction would be demanding their money back with damages to boot ,but this was to big . The structure of the securities were also flawed in that the bundles were in conflict of interest regarding the different tranches should foreclosures take place to the degree they have . You might called it a design flaw ,no different than faulty breaks .

You have to ask yourself why the Government is doing so many bizarre things and that takes you right back to their Masters that created the biggest fraudulent housing bubble in history ,which included not even conforming to law on title transfers and the underwriting .
The loan securities have fatal flaws in them, which also includes the fact that they were marketed fraudulently with AAA ratings .

So , the Government has to re-write the wrongs of their Masters .
Also I don’t think they expected this degree of crash when they first started to bail out the great wrongs . Biggest obstruction
of Justice and normal law remedy that I have ever seen .

This doesn’t let the fraudulent buyers off for the part they played
because without them Wall Street couldn’t of pulled off their greedy loan leverage Ponzi scheme . The lenders are responsible in the end to prevent fraud regarding the investment deposits of people .

 
Comment by rms
2010-09-05 12:57:49

“The fact that this program targets only mortgages held by private banks, not ones held by the GSEs, should make its real purpose abundantly obvious to anyone with a brain: it is intended to be a massive hand-out to banks, and it is intended to move the future losses onto the taxpayers.”

+1 Herr Gross and PIMCO win again.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 05:38:27

Surprise! Banks help more homeowners than Obama
By Tami Luhby, senior writer
August 30, 2010: 7:15 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Remember how everyone complained that banks weren’t doing enough to help troubled borrowers?

Banks have realized that foreclosing on home after home after home may not be in anyone’s best interest — least of all their own. So they’ve ramped up the number of loan modifications they’re handing out to their delinquent clients.

Banks are doing nearly twice as many modifications under their own foreclosure prevention initiatives than under the Obama administration’s signature Home Affordable Modification Program, known as HAMP.

But before homeowners rejoice, they should take a close look at the terms of their bank modification offers, consumer advocates say. Many may not be as good as HAMP, which lowers monthly payments to 31% of pre-tax income.

“We don’t know if they are sustainable based on the monthly payment,” said John Snyder, manager of foreclosure prevention programs at NeighborWorks America, adding banks don’t release a lot of information about their modifications. “We’re not sure what to think.”

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:56:47

If banks aren’t releasing a lot of information about their modifications, how can we even verify they ARE making modifications?

And “double?” From, what, 32,000 (yes, that is just a made up number) to 64,000, out of what? Millions?

The term “peeing in the ocean” comes mind.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 05:46:56

SYNDICATED COLUMN: The Banksters Strike Again
August 19th, 2010

Chase Bank and Obama’s “Make Home Affordable” Scam

From Chase’s website: “No matter what your individual situation is, you may have options. Whether your want to stay in your home or sell it, we may be able to help.”

Key word: “May.” Translation: “May” = “Won’t.”

As I can now attest from personal experience, “Make Home Affordable” is a scam. MHA is cited by bank ads as evidence that they get it, that their “greed is good” days are over, that we don’t need to nationalize the sons of bitches and ship them off to reeducation labor camps.

In reality, it exists solely to give banks like Chase political cover. They deliberately give homeowners the runaround, dragging out the process so they can foreclose. As of the end of 2009, only four percent of applicants received any help. By June 2010 the vast majority of that “lucky” four percent had lost their homes anyway—because the amount of relief they got was too small.

I was a banker in the ’80s. I often travel to the former USSR, where sloppy paperwork gives the police the right to rob you blind. So I know how to navigate bureaucracy. I’m careful. Thorough. When, among other things—many, many other things—Chase asked me for copies of my bank statements, I knew to send the blank pages too.

I explained my situation to an officer at my local Chase branch. “As someone who recently lost a job and thus a substantial portion of your income,” she said, “you clearly qualify for Make Home Affordable. But you have to keep making your payments on time. Don’t fall behind or you’ll be disqualified.”

Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-05 06:38:36

“Key word: “May.” Translation: “May” = “Won’t.””

Ding, ding, ding!

We have a winner.

Comment by potential buyer
2010-09-05 09:49:44

Well, but what if they can’t? If the loans were liar loans to begin with, then the bank ignores that?

 
 
Comment by rms
2010-09-05 07:21:12

“But you have to keep making your payments on time.”

Being late on your payments is known as being a sh!t in financial circles; they don’t take prisoners.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 14:59:07

I’m shocked I tell you! Shocked! :lol:

 
Comment by B. Durbin
2010-09-05 17:58:59

I got to the end and saw the name: Ted Rall. As in political cartoonist Ted Rall.

Now, I have never liked the man’s work. But I do feel sympathy for his layoff, as political cartooning has been sent to the headsman’s axe as newspapers desperately struggle to not go under. Which, IMO, is the exact wrong idea if newspapers want to be relevant in the future…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 05:50:07

Why Obama’s mortgage-relief program failed
By Matt Smith Wednesday, Sep 1 2010

At age 64, Brenda Reed of Lafayette is reaching a point in life when most of us expect to rest on our accomplishments. Instead, she faces starting over from scratch as she braces to lose her home through foreclosure.

“It’s pretty grim. I’m going to have to figure out plan B,” she says. “And I don’t know what plan B is going to be. … I’m a Vietnam War widow. I run a bed and breakfast business out of my home. If I lose my home, I lose half my income.”

Reed’s dismal state of mind can be traced in part to a government program that has painfully dragged out the inevitable road to foreclosure, filling her with false hope and putting her through months of paperwork before leaving her still hopelessly in debt and soon to lose her home.

Reed, who owes about $500,000 more on her loan than her house is worth, is among the hundreds of thousands of people who pinned their hopes on the Obama administration’s Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP). The idea was to encourage loan services to renegotiate the terms of delinquent mortgages, so that residents might remain in their homes rather than be foreclosed upon. Instead, many of them have been strung along for months, before ultimately either losing their homes anyway or remaining in limbo.

After filling out mountains of paperwork, Reed was given a three-month trial period in which she would be allowed to make reduced loan payments while the bank considered whether to cut a permanent, lowered-payment deal.

But like a reported 616,000 other struggling homeowners, she was bumped from the program without a satisfactory explanation. “They said I don’t fit into the HAMP box,” she says.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-05 06:41:04

But like a reported 616,000 other struggling homeowners, she was bumped from the program without a satisfactory explanation. “They said I don’t fit into the HAMP box,” she says.

Many will be called, but few will be chosen.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 09:36:26

This sounds pretty good compared to the odds of, say, winning the lottery…

Comment by jbunniii
2010-09-05 20:35:50

If only it were user-funded like the lottery.

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Comment by SUGuy
2010-09-05 08:54:11

Either her business can pay the overhead or it can not. It is simple as that? Government has no business bailing out wannabe business persons.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 11:04:39

Who in the heck would want to patronize a “bed and breakfast” in Lafayette anyway? Anyone in the Bay Area wanting a B&B experience would go to Napa/Sonoma, or Santa Cruz, or Monterey. This is just chutzpah on her part.

 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-05 10:41:23

62 years old and owes $500k MORE than the dump is worth?

ROT you dumb@ss.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:23:01

Like the vast majority of Americans, from the most abysmally ignorant on up to the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, she bought into the “real estate always goes up” mantra and planned and acted accordingly. Can you blame her for trusting all the experts?

Comment by Itsabouttime
2010-09-05 18:04:06

Yes.

IAT

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 05:57:21

The Loan Modification Conspiracy
by Moe Bedard on August 27, 2010
in Featured

(LoanSafe dot org) – This is why homeowners are screwed. You can either read this with an open mind or continue to believe in loan modification fairy dust. There are also a few bad words here and there to emphasize the vulgarity of this subject.

It has been three years since I started preaching the loan modification gospel from my blogging pulpit here on LoanSafe dot org and over on my other blog, LoanWorkout dot org. I have come to the conclusion recently that the vast majority of struggling homeowners who cannot maintain their current mortgage contracts are up the foreclosure creek without a loan modification paddle.

They are simply and 100% unequivocally screwed. There is no other way to put it. I am not going to sugar coat these shitty mortgages any longer. If it tastes like $h!t, looks like $h!t, feels like $h!t and smells like $h!t, then by golly, it’s $h!t.

I am asking the media, Congress, banks, Obama and anyone else who will listen to please just be honest with the people who are losing their homes. Inform them they are up foreclosure creek without a paddle. So, let’s stop the loan mod chit chat. There is no reason to reason to put lipstick on the mortgage pig for any longer.

Comment by palmetto
2010-09-05 06:12:58

“I am asking the media, Congress, banks, Obama and anyone else who will listen to please just be honest with the people who are losing their homes.”

NAHNAHNAH I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!!!

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-09-05 06:13:28

Let no FB dollar escape! Gather them up and ship them - all of them - to their rightful places, which are the bank’s coffers.

 
Comment by ACH
2010-09-05 06:53:22

“There is no reason to reason to put lipstick on the mortgage pig for any longer.”

… or at least they could put the lipstick on the forward end of the pig. That would help. Not much, but some.

Roidy

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 09:46:41

And it’s exactly what is happening…

Programs to “save homeowners” announced with great publicity and fanfare, so the peons think they “care”. But primarily to keep people making the payments as long as possible.

While the cleanup process continues under the radar.

The problem right now is that the peon’s paychecks are shrinking faster than the “value” of their houses.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 15:01:20

Bingo.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 06:01:14

Homeowners Can Take a Breather; Obama Federal Loan Modification Plan Has Been Unveiled
August 30th, 2010

Wondering how the Obama federal loan modification plan would influence your countrywide loan workout request? Would it be simple to get eligible for the assist you need to lower your monthly mortgage payment? Even though you have previously applied for a loan modification through Countrywide you might have a second opportunity. Learn more concerning how the program works and if you would advantage.

Thousands of stressed homeowners have felt similar to they are painted keen on a corner through no alternative however to lose their home. A Countrywide mortgage modification has been very tough for many borrowers to qualify for. The Obama federal loan modification program will intend to offer relief to around 5 million homeowners across the country, lot of whom might have by now been turned down for a loan workout. Now, participating lender must agree to appraisal the eligibility of each homeowner who requests information concerning the programs to decide if they might get eligible. During the review process, any foreclosure will be stopped until a determination of eligibility is made.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 06:14:26

Somefing about the English usage in this “article” leads me to question whether its credibility…

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-09-05 06:04:10

What I wants ta know is, where are all the protests from the moderate members of the religion of peace in the US? Crickets.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/09/04/iran.stoning/?hpt=T1

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 09:47:44

They are jelous.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 10:59:03

And number 1 on the charts in Iran is this Dylan song.

Well They’ll stone you and say that it’s the end
They’ll stone you and then they’ll come back again
They’ll stone you when you’re riding in your car
They’ll stone you when you’re playing you guitar
Yes But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned
Alright

Well They’ll stone you when you are all alone
They’ll stone you when you are walking home
They’ll stone you and then say they’re all brave
They’ll stone you when you’re send down in your grave
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-05 11:09:07

Funny—I heard Dylan sing that live just last night! :-) He opened with it, in fact…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:26:10

I hate to say, but music appreciation does not rank high on the Iranian Ayatollah priority list.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 18:04:23

From the linked article:

‘Advice to music lovers: Stay the hell out of Iran. According to the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s maximum politico- spiritual leader, the promoting and teaching of music—not just Western music, but any kind whatsoever—is “not compatible with the highest values of the sacred regime of the Islamic Republic.” He “suggests” that Iranian youth should instead “spend their valuable time in learning science and essential and useful skills and fill their time with sport and healthy recreations instead of music.” Those Iranians who prefer to do as they please run the risk of getting themselves stoned, by which I don’t mean high.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 06:04:59

Posted on Sun, Sep. 5, 2010

U.S. housing value down at least $4 trillion
By Alan J. Heavens
Inquirer Real Estate Writer

If you’ve recently had your house reappraised for sale or refinancing, and wonder where the equity went, consider this:

Since the real estate boom ground to a painful close about 31/2 years ago, the nation’s housing stock has shed from about $4 trillion to $7.1 trillion in value.

The amount depends on who’s counting. A study by Equifax Inc. and Moody’s Analytics Inc. says the downturn began in early 2007 and cost $4 trillion through March. The Federal Reserve says the downturn began in the fourth quarter of 2006 and cost $7.1 trillion through March.

To put a $7.1 trillion loss of housing values into perspective, if you bulldozed half-million-dollar McMansions until their cumulative lost value equaled $7.1 trillion, you’d level 14.2 million homes.

Psychologically, this massive loss of equity has changed - at least for now - the view of homeownership as a major source of wealth.

“The perception of homeownership as a wealth builder has suffered a deep setback,” said Center City developer Carl Dranoff. “People are still buying, but not necessarily as investments.”

Younger people especially “are probably going to be more likely to rent, to move to take the best job, and to treat home as a place to live, rather than as an investment,” said Holden Lewis, of Bankrate.com.

“If I’m right, I wonder how long these attitudes will linger?” Lewis asked.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 15:03:58

“If I’m right, I wonder how long these attitudes will linger?” Lewis asked.

And they pay this guy?!

 
Comment by B. Durbin
2010-09-05 18:08:29

“and to treat home as a place to live, rather than as an investment.”

Um… this is bad?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 06:09:40

A housing market out of sync
By Dina ElBoghdady
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, September 5, 2010

Jack Donnelly put off selling his Capitol Hill rowhouse for three years until he thought he saw glimmers of life in the housing market this past spring. At $950,000, he said, the red brick Victorian is a “solid deal.”

Jackie Wright sees it differently. The row house is one of many homes competing for her attention in uncertain economic times. She’s been looking to buy a home in the District since April but is in no rush to commit, partly because she thinks mortgage interest rates - and prices - could sink even lower.

As with many prospective sellers, Donnelly’s hopes for his rowhouse were forged in the past, before the housing bust, when homeowners assumed that real estate prices would inexorably rise. They expected to reap vast windfalls when their houses sold. But Wright’s eyes are turned to the future. She’s anxious about whether the coming months will bring more gloomy economic news and reluctant to gamble on a major purchase, especially if a flagging market might actually mean better deals ahead.

“I keep thinking, ‘Do I really want to do this now? Shouldn’t I wait to see what happens in the next few months?’ ” Wright said.

Across the Washington region and around the country, the expectations of buyers and sellers are out of whack, thwarting deals that could potentially lift the U.S. housing sector from its long funk. The nascent rebirth of the market earlier this year proved to be a mirage.

Despite record-low interest rates, many would-be buyers are retrenching, hamstrung by meager growth in their wages, gripped by fears over the possibility of losing their jobs or another recession. Sales of existing homes plunged in July to the lowest level in more than a decade, and sales of new homes were slower than at any time since the government started tracking the data in 1963. The results were far worse than some of the most pessimistic economists had expected and added to the doubts nagging at Wright and other prospective buyers, even in areas such as Washington that have been relatively insulated from the housing bust.

There are now so many homes for sale and so few selling that, at the current sales pace, it would take over a year to clear the existing inventory on the U.S. market. That is more than double the time required in a healthy market and up significantly just since June.

That’s a powerful cocktail working against the housing recovery,” said Mike Larson, an analyst at Weiss Research. “There’s going to be a long-lasting psychological hesitancy for ordinary buyers to believe again in the dream of building wealth through homeownership.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 07:44:46

She’s been looking to buy a home in the District since April but is in no rush to commit, partly because she thinks mortgage interest rates - and prices - could sink even lower.

I think she may get one or the other - but not both.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 06:10:52

Bought a house!

My wife and I closed on a house on the 30th. Fell ass-backwards into the deal some weeks ago. A friend of ours re-married and moved into this new wife’s home.

The house sits at the bitter end of a dead end road on a heavily wooded 3/4 acre lot. It’s 1890 sq.ft. single story contemporary design. Built in the 70’s. brick foundation, cedar sided. 4 minutes to the lake on which we sail.

Anyway the deal was a simple hand shake with the owner. NO REAL-A-TORS involved and happily this for me is the 4th time in my life I have bought a house with no real-a-tor involved! Very simple process.

The finainceing is through a local bank, 15 year mortgage @ 3.8%.

The house appraised for $156,000.00 we purchased it for $128,000.00 so even as the market keeps declining we may or may not be OK in a few years. The thing is the condo we live in is what is now called a “sick” building, mold issues that are going to take major eradication and my wife has bad allergies so we just can’t stay.

Started remolding the kitchen last week, I do everything my self and hope to be done in the week 2 weeks we move in on the weekend of the 18th. Looking forward to some piece and quite on the back deck away from the always busy city noise.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 06:23:26

Sounds like you are totally set — congrats!

Are there any other homes available in your neighborhood? ;-)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-09-05 06:41:57

Way to go. Which lake? IIRC, you live in the Columbia area.

Nothin’ can be finer than to be in Carolina…

Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 12:18:35

Lake Murray

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 15:23:44

Lake Murray must be on the good side of town. I once worked TDY in 1983 at Sumter/Shaw AFB which is the bad side of town IIRC.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 15:44:06

And I lived near Columbia college, and covenant rd & two notch…areas

 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-09-05 06:40:23

Congratulations!

Your patience and wisdom has paid off and I hope you and your wife have many years of happiness in the home, well beyond your 15 year mortgage @ 3.8%. That is unbelevable 3.8%. May the Mercedes of your dreams be parked in your driveway. I hope you keep posting because I have learned a lot from you over the years.

Comment by mikey
2010-09-05 07:56:06

Congrats from me too.

Sounds great wmbz except that now you must learn to hide from the wife and the infamous gal’s “house list” of things to do.

Grab lifejacket and “Run wmbz Run”.

;)

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 09:24:35

3/4 acre & woods…hmmm a nice prefab man cave 100″ tv boom box and 2 fridges full of beer…and 3-4 free couches from CL….sometimes a man needs his space.

-\—
infamous gal’s “house list”

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Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 12:23:31

Thank you very much! I am not going anywhere except to the new house. My old 300-SDL’87 is sitting herself in the garage as I type, next to my wife’s old E-320′98 wagon happy to be under cover. All bought and paid for. I really like this house it does have character and being one myself we get along.

Comment by exeter
2010-09-05 13:07:13

WTF Wmbz?! It’s time to get rid of those trustworthy old buggies and park a new SLOBurban and a TaWhore on that new asphalt!!!! Do a cash out refi HELOC wiz kid bull$hit shebang and you can be rich!!! You NEEEED a HELOC! You MUST “update your kitchen”. How about a $30,000 backyard barbecue for when you “entertain”?

C’mon, you can join the ranks of millions of other dumbassed FB’ers and Stanley Johnsons.

*laughing*joking*kidding*

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 07:47:29

Started remolding the kitchen last week

Didn’t you just leave a condo because of the mold problem?

Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 12:25:09

Miss typed meant to say remodeling.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 15:17:40

Just pulling your chain. ;)

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Comment by scdave
2010-09-05 08:19:51

Good for you wmbz….Enjoy !!…

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-09-05 09:27:00

Built in the 70’s. brick foundation

You sure it isn’t a brick facade over poured concrete or concrete block? I think brick foundations were very rare in the 70s- unless you mean 1870s.

Comment by exeter
2010-09-05 10:50:03

I think he meant to say block foundation walls. He said cedar siding.

Wmbz….. good job keeping the Realtor Crime Syndicate out of the transaction.

Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 12:26:24

Yes sir!

I told my wife early on, we were going to dodge that bullet, and we did thank havens!

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Comment by exeter
2010-09-05 12:59:58

One less transaction for parasite realtors. Starve the beast. Too bad the seller didn’t hold the paper so as to be a double barrel blast to the both realtor scum and banking thugs.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-09-05 09:43:09

Congrats, wmbz. I hope you enjoy your new digs… but keep posting on the HBB!

Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 12:28:10

You got it! I won’t stop posting, the thing I need to do is send Ben Jones some money, he’s been kind to me and us for many years now !

 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-09-05 10:17:07

Congratulations, wmbz.

Hang some birdfeeders where you can see them from your deck. A clearing on wooded land near a lake sounds like a great place to feed and view wild birds.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-09-05 12:29:29

wmbz …With a interest rate that low and a price that low and it being a house you like, I can see why you went for it . That payment must be much cheaper than it would cost to rent the place .

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 15:07:14

Nice size and good price.

Congrats.

 
Comment by B. Durbin
2010-09-05 18:12:07

Congratulations on buying a house for the right purpose: to live in and call Home!

 
Comment by jane
2010-09-05 19:17:34

WMBZ, congrats to you and your wife. It sounds like a lovely house, and you are already guaranteed to have good neighbors - good word spreads, both you and your friend benefited.

Please let us know how the remodeling goes!

I don’t know the area a’tall, just curious. Being from DC area, my top of mind question is always “how is commute to work?” (as you have read on HBB, over here ten miles can equate to an hour between the hours of 6:30-9 AM, and 3PM - 6 PM).

I pray for a day when the DC agencies and defense contractors might consider stimulating the rest of the country through mass relocation. Personally, I fancy any rural part of Tennessee, Alabama or Missouri.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 06:12:44

New Program for Buyers, With No Money Down
Darren Hauck for The New York Times

Matthew and Hannah Middlebrooke bought their first home, in Milwaukee, with a mortgage through a Fannie Mae program.

By JOHN LELAND
Published: September 4, 2010

MILWAUKEE — When the housing bubble burst, one of the culprits, economists agreed, was exotic mortgages, including those that required little or no money down.

But on a recent evening, Matthew and Hannah Middlebrooke stood in their new $115,000 three-bedroom ranch house here, which Mr. Middlebrooke bought in June with just $1,000 down.

Because he also received a grant to cover closing costs and insurance, the check he wrote at the closing was for 67 cents.

“I thought I’d be stuck renting for years,” said Mr. Middlebrooke, 26, who earns $32,000 a year as a producer for a Christian television ministry.

Although home foreclosures are again expected to top two million this year, Fannie Mae, the lending giant that required a government takeover, is creeping back into the market for mortgages with no down payment.

Mr. Middlebrooke’s mortgage came from a new program called Affordable Advantage, available to first-time home buyers in four states and created in conjunction with the states’ housing finance agencies. The program is expected to stay small, said Janis Smith, a spokeswoman for Fannie Mae.

Some experts are concerned about the revival of such mortgages.

Loans that have zero down payment perform worse than loans with down payments,” said Mathew Scire, a director of the Government Accountability Office’s financial markets and community investment team. “And loans with down payment assistance” — like Mr. Middlebrooke’s — “perform worse than those that do not.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 06:24:54

The nightmares associated with the Housing Bubble certainly are frequently recurring!

Comment by mikey
2010-09-05 08:02:28

“The nightmares associated with the Housing Bubble certainly are frequently recurring!”

Yeah…It’s Bubble PTSD and it isn’t from popping and drinking the champagne.

:(

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 09:18:31

Is it Bubble PTSD, or more a case of government-sponsored TBI we are discussing here?

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Comment by neuromance
2010-09-05 18:19:44

As long as people keep getting wealthy on this toxic debt, toxic debt will continue to be created.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-09-05 07:17:54

Government Accountability

Isn`t that an oxymoron?

 
Comment by rms
2010-09-05 07:30:06

Did I read this right?

Home $115k, Income $32k/yr (gross?). Don’t these peeps ever read anything? They can’t afford to be in this mortgage.

Comment by scdave
2010-09-05 08:24:15

They can’t afford to be in this mortgage ??

I think that is easily affordable assuming there are no other debt obligations on the income stream..

Comment by rms
2010-09-05 10:54:21

Add two kids to the equation?

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Comment by scdave
2010-09-05 11:08:50

Well they need to live somewhere right so the expense to house, cloth and feed the kids is already there…Just seems like to me with interest rates where they are a 115k mortgage is doable on 32k gross particularly in light of the fact that their interest and taxes are deductible and that deductible may possibly push them down into a lower tax bracket..

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Comment by polly
2010-09-05 13:23:10

People who make $32K a year rarely itemize. If he does itemize, the itemized deduction will barely be more than the standard deduction. If the itemized deduction is more than the standard deduction by any amount at all, his marginal tax rate (10%? 15%) will not yield him much benefit.

Math is important.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 15:11:40

Exactly polly. If you make under 50k, in most (not all) instances, itemizing is not worth it.

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-09-05 07:36:04

Hmmm… $32K and bought a $115K house. I guess his wife doesn’t work. It’s a little out of range, but doable, almost like something out of the 50s.

btw, there’s nothing wrong down payment assistance. The real problem was when they stopped verifying incomes.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 06:32:24

Is it a big stretch to suggest that when the bond bubble eventually bursts, the financial picture will get truly and undeniably fugly once again for a while?

Fundamentally
Are Investors Unfair to U.S. Stock Funds?
By PAUL J. LIM
Published: September 4, 2010

INVESTORS have been fleeing stock funds in droves, moving their money into bond portfolios, the headlines tell us. But while there is some truth in these reports, they don’t provide a complete picture.

Yes, a flood of money — more than half a trillion dollars since the beginning of last year — has been pouring into bond funds as investors have gravitated toward less risky assets in the wake of renewed market volatility. But not all stock funds have been neglected.

So far this year, on a net basis, more than $11 billion has actually gone into funds that focus on shares of companies based in the emerging markets, according to the Investment Company Institute. And an additional $17 billion has been invested in other foreign equity funds, including those that specialize in the developed markets of Western Europe and Japan.

In fact, upon closer examination, one major type of equity fund has been bleeding most of the assets: domestic stock portfolios.

According to the latest figures from the institute, funds that invest primarily in stocks based in the United States have had net outflows of nearly $30 billion this year, after losing nearly $40 billion in 2009.

This has some market watchers baffled.

“I certainly understand the popularity of the emerging markets,” said Michele Gambera, head of quantitative analysis at UBS Global Asset Management in Chicago, noting that many investors favor this asset class because developing economies in countries like China and India are expected to outpace the global growth rate.

But he says it is odd that fund investors who are turning their backs on domestic stocks are simultaneously embracing foreign funds that focus on developed markets.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 09:52:25

And the race for the exits by the “Top 5%-ers” continues…….

 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-09-06 13:47:20

Pimco has been trying to pimp the Dems into buying their debt. Please lord, bring Nov 2 as soon as possible.

 
 
Comment by Yerabuilder
2010-09-05 07:17:27

I sure hope these measurements that our government is taking is the right prescription for a housing market that is pretty much non existent.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 09:21:38

The measurements should prove useful for conducting a postmortem to figure out what went wrong and who was to blame.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 07:52:03

Bruce Willis has been buying up the town of Hailey (just south of Sun Valley) here in Idaho for years now. For the first time, he’s now trying to sell one of his assets. Good luck getting almost $6 million for a bar in Hailey.

Actor Bruce Willis is offering for sale his central Idaho bar called The Mint and is asking $5.95 million.

The star of the “Die Hard” series of action movies put the downtown Hailey bar on the market last month. The nightclub and bar closed last year.

It’s just the building now. Wouldn’t he have made more money selling it as a turn-key business?

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 08:06:14

Here’s a better linkey.

http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005133076

“We can’t sell buildings in Ketchum for prices like that, but what the hell,” said Sotheby’s agent Stewart Hogue. Sotheby’s is the listing agent for the sale.

LOL. An honest realtor. Who would have thought?

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-09-05 08:10:27

“Money is easier to make than it is to keep.” - Jesse Livermore

Comment by scdave
2010-09-05 08:28:48

yep…

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 15:15:24

Say WHAT?!

I know about 50 million Americans who would disagree with that.

 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-05 09:43:56

Pretty funny. Bruce Willis not so smart, eh? Maybe Demi was smarter than I thought. Of course, he can offset his losses by making more action films, like Nicholas Cage is.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 09:53:38

Loses money on every beer he sells. Will make it up on volume……. :)

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-05 11:19:29

This is just too delightfully ironic: the name of the bar was “The Mint”???

Since it closed (e.g. failed), it clearly was not “minting” money.

:-)

Good luck with that one, Bruce. I’m sure a building in a town that can’t sustain a cash-flow-positive bar will be worth that kind of $$$s.

I’m guessing he will lose a mint on that one!

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-09-05 08:03:05

Belle Glade officials enjoy taxpayer-financed cars, gas that officials in bigger cities don’t get

By Charles Elmore Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 8:48 p.m. Saturday, Sept. 4, 2010

BELLE GLADE — The unemployment rate hovers at a brutal 27.5 percent in a city of 16,739 that prides itself on its fertile soil and elite football prospects. Cash was so tight this year that Belle Glade fell behind $798,000 on payments to the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office for the most fundamental of services: public safety.

Last year, Belle Glade joined Pahokee to ask for a $160,000 bailout from county taxpayers. One county commissioner said the cities should consider dissolving or combining first. The county offered loans. The cities declined.

Yet Belle Glade leaders enjoy taxpayerfinanced perks that Palm Beach County cities five or six times larger do not offer, records reviewed by The Palm Beach Post show:

•Free cars and gas for top city officials include a red Ford Expedition SUV for the mayor, with no requirement to show office-related vs. personal mileage. The mayor’s gas bill in the last 12 months: more than $2,500.
•The city manager is billing residents for up to six tanks of gas per month bought near a cattle operation he runs more than 50 miles from Belle Glade, where his contract requires him to live. That’s in addition to more than $4,500 in gas charges on a separate city account over the past 12 months. Belle Glade rehired the manager despite his 1998 guilty plea to official misconduct for using city resources for personal gain.
•A $376 golf cart upgrade charged to taxpayers includes a wood-grain dash with cup holders, five-way mirror, score card holder, compass, clock, thermometer and hubcaps. Explanation: It was a gift for a prison that provides the city with inmate labor.
Mayor Steve Wilson said the SUV he drives was a gift to the city from the Belle Glade Housing Authority. The practice of providing the mayor with a vehicle was inherited from previous administrations, and any whispers about it now smack of politics, Wilson said.

“All of a sudden since I came back on the commission as the mayor, someone’s got a problem with it,” the mayor said. “We know it’s personal, but we deal with it.”

Meanwhile, Belle Glade’s residents pay some of the highest tax rates in the county.

“For the mayor and city manager to be incurring these kind of expenses just doesn’t make any sense,” said resident Myrtle Rains, 79. “They have no conscience if they have any concern about the citizens of Belle Glade.”

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 08:20:06

The fire chief in Alameda has come under fire for tapping the free gas pump at work.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/09/03/BAAO1F7NEE.DTL

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-09-05 09:14:44

“David Kapler, Alameda’s $195,702-a-year fire chief who had been filling up his BMW convertible on the city’s dime, was placed on paid administrative leave Thursday.”

Fire Chief David Kapler

Welcome to the City of Alameda Fire Department’s Web Page. We are an organization of 116

“Our budget to provide our services is $19 million annually. Accordingly, we generate $2.2 million in revenue annually from our services.”

“Our employees are trained, recognized, and rewarded for exceptional customer service.”

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-05 09:48:42

Sadly, getting rid of the fire chief for gassing up his Beamer will cost the city more in payroll/pensions.

“Dom Weaver, a spokesman for the firefighters union, also welcomed the news. The union has been at odds with Kapler over a new contract and voted “no confidence” in the chief last year.”

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/09/03/BAAO1F7NEE.DTL#ixzz0yfslNzEf

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 15:56:33

Good finds.

THIS is what’s really costing the taxpayers.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-09-05 08:10:57

Official: Obama backing research tax credits

By JULIE PACE The Associated Press
Posted: 10:07 a.m. Sunday, Sept. 5, 2010

WASHINGTON — Seeking ways to spur economic growth ahead of the November elections, President Barack Obama will ask Congress to increase and permanently extend research and development tax credits for businesses, a White House official said Sunday.

Obama will outline the $100 billion proposal during a speech on the economy Wednesday in Cleveland, the official said. The announcement is expected to be the first in a series of new measures Obama will propose this fall as the administration looks to jump-start an economy that the president himself has said isn’t growing fast enough.

In addition to making the research credits permanent, Obama will also ask Congress to extend one of the credit options available to businesses from 14 to 17 percent, according to the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the proposal has not been formally announced.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 09:57:30

More giveaways to business, to fund “research and development”…..

So they can actually make it in China or Mexico.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 15:40:47

It time to just flat out time to eliminate corporate income taxes..

If you lose money well no tax rebates, credits or reimbursements…

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 08:27:54

Around here the term “banksters” is in vogue.

But wouldn’t a better term be “Schicklgrubers”? As in someone who grubs for shekels? It also has a somewhat obscure historical meaning which may also be appropriate.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 09:12:46

Onto it…

Maria Anna Schicklgruber (15 April 1795 – 7 January 1847) was Adolf Hitler’s paternal grandmother.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 10:50:37

Hitler’s dad was raised as a bastard since his parents didn’t marry. He was “legitimized” in middle-age when his dad showed up and claimed the fatherhood. He changed from “Alois Schicklgruber” to “Alois Hitler”.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:03:30

Hitler was the son of a bastard? Who’d have guessed?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:08:30

Even though my ancestors who lived through GDI and the buildup to WWII were in America, not Germany, Hitler’s rise had a severe effect on their lives. My dad grew up speaking German and learning to write it in die alte Schrift, but by the time he was a teenager, nobody in his Central Illinois community was any longer communicating in German. Before Hitler, there was Chancellor Bismarck, whose draft convinced an earlier generation of my ancestors to migrate from Der Vaterland to America.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 15:54:17

Bismarck at least was a thoughtful authoritarian, devising health care and pensions for the workers - to keep them in their place. After Wilhelm II dismissed Bismarck, things went downhill in a hurry.

For our Bookmaster Az Slim:

Perhaps the most influential book of its time was Alfred Thayer Mahan’s 1890 “The Influence of Sea Power upon History”. Mahan was a US Navy Captain but his book was read and discussed all around the world. Kaiser Wilhelm II was a delirious fan of the book and launched a naval building program that was the proximate cause of WWI. Theodore Roosevelt loved the book and built the Great White Fleet. Dozens of fans in Imperial Japan used it to argue for increased naval construction, just in time to deliver a whupping to the Russians in 1905.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 15:32:06

The old joke is how rotten the Austrians are, because they have convinced the world that Beethoven was Austrian and Hitler was German.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 23:23:21

Say whatever nasty things about Hitler you wish, and add Stalin to the list if you want to pile on dead dictators, but however many horrible things they did to the people of their time, at least they both appreciated music, unlike the leadership of today’s Iran or the Taliban.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 16:08:46

Why “grub” when you can just buy a Congressman?

And that’s “Banksta.” Sounds like “gangsta.”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 09:06:04

New American
Bernanke Whitewashes Fed Responsibility for “Great Recession”
Written by Thomas R. Eddlem
Friday, 03 September 2010 13:15

Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke largely whitewashed Federal Reserve responsibility for the housing bubble and resultant economic recession in testimony before the congressional Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission September 2.

Bernanke’s testimony admitted the obvious, that he had no clue that a housing bubble even existed, let alone that it would burst in late 2007, while at the same time claiming there was little he could have done to prevent the crisis or mitigate its impact upon the economy. Bernanke argued that several Wall Street giant financial firms such as Lehman Brothers failed because he had too little legal power to bail them out. “It was with great reluctance and sadness that I conceded there was no other option” than allowing Lehman to fail, Bernanke told investigators, concluding he lacked the legal authority to bail out Lehman Brothers. Bernanke explained that “the Federal Reserve under normal conditions is permitted to lend only to depository institutions and had the authority to lend to nondepositories only in unusual and exigent circumstances. Thus, the Federal Reserve could not directly address liquidity problems at nondepositories until the crisis was well underway.”

But perhaps the most unbelievable part of Bernanke’s testimony was his claim that the Federal Reserve’s suppression of interest rates “was only a small factor” in creating the housing bubble. “Did the low level of short-term interest rates undertaken for the purposes of macroeconomic stabilization inadvertently make a significant contribution to the housing bubble?” asked rhetorically, answering his own question with the claim that “studies of the empirical linkage between monetary policy and house prices have generally found that that that linkage is much weaker than would be needed to explain the behavior of house prices in terms of FOMC policies during this period.”

Of course, interest rates have a direct impact upon housing affordability because affordability has traditionally been calculated by the income of the borrower, the price of the house and the interest rate of the amount borrowed. Because a lower interest rate means a lower mortgage payment (and qualification for home loans is a percentage of income), the Federal Reserve’s monetary policy of suppressing interest rates had a strong impact on the affordability of larger houses and the eligibility for lower-income people to afford mortgages. By increasing the eligibility for housing, demand for housing spiked throughout the last decade. Even a 2009 study of the housing bubble by the Federal Reserve itself (though it too was a whitewash) admitted: “Nominal house price growth began to pick up in the late 1990s…. This timing clearly predates the accommodative monetary policy following the 2001 recession. However, the pace of house price appreciation increased notably after 2002, and much of the overvaluation in house prices appears to have occurred after 2002 as well.”

But Bernanke instead blamed the housing bubble on Wall Street for following the Federal Reserve’s lead. Bernanke testified that “innovations in mortgage lending and the easing of standards had far greater effects on borrowers’ monthly payments and housing affordability than did changes in monetary policy.” Of course, if the Federal Reserve created a decade-long housing prices boom with its suppression of interest rates, one would reasonably expect Wall Street to cater to — and cash in on — the central bank’s manipulation of the housing market. Bernanke paints this foolish accommodation by many private banks of the Fed’s interest rate policy as the cause, rather than a symptom, of the problem. “Although a number of developments helped trigger the crisis, the most prominent one was the prospect of significant losses on residential mortgage loans to subprime borrowers that became apparent shortly after house prices began to decline.”

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-05 11:41:00

“Of course, if the Federal Reserve created a decade-long housing prices boom with its suppression of interest rates, one would reasonably expect Wall Street to cater to — and cash in on — the central bank’s manipulation of the housing market.”

I am not generally a defender of the Fed, but I believe this critique misses the mark.

The Fed may have had _short-term_ rates set too low during the bubble’s early years, but that generally has very little to do with long-term rates. Long-term rates are generally set by the bond market, and it is typically the 10-yr Treasury that most closely tracks 15- and 30-year mortgage rates. And back when the housing bubble was getting rolling, the Fed was not buying 10-year Treasuries (though they are now).

Suggesting that the banks were just cashing in on the Fed’s suppression of interest rates seems like a VAST oversimplification of the market and psychological forces that were afoot in the bubble’s genesis.

In fact, the author’s premise strikes me as just as clueless as the Fed professed to be about the bubble back in the Denial Years (though I believe they were dissembling back then).

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:02:29

“Long-term rates are generally set by the bond market, and it is typically the 10-yr Treasury that most closely tracks 15- and 30-year mortgage rates.”

Even when the Fed is using quantitative easing to purchase Treasurys and MBS? That’s news to me! You learn something new every day on the HBB.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 09:09:09

Bailing out the Fraudsters instead of Saving America’s Economic Base
Is the Economy as Broke as Lehman Was? The Angelides Committee Sidesteps the Mortgage Fraud Issue

by Prof. Michael Hudson

There was disagreement last Wednesday at the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission hearings now plodding along through its post mortem on the causes of Wall Street’s autumn 2008 collapse and ensuing bailout. Federal Reserve economists argue that the economy – and Wall Street firms apart from Lehman – merely had a liquidity problem, a temporary failure to find buyers for its junk mortgages. By contrast, Lehman had a more deep-seated “balance sheet” problem: negative equity. A taxpayer bailout would have been an utter waste, not recoverable.

Only a “liquidity problem,” or a balance sheet problem of negative equity?

Lehman CEO Dick Fuld is bitter. He claims that Lehman was unfairly singled out. After all, the Fed lent $29 billion to help JPMorgan Chase buy out Bear Stearns the preceding spring. In the wake of Lehman’s failure it seemed to gain the courage to say, “Never again,” and avoided new collapses by bailing out A.I.G. – saving all its counterparties from having to take a loss.

Was this not a giveaway? Mr. Fuld implied. Why couldn’t the Fed and Treasury do for Lehman what they did with other Wall Street investment firms and stock brokers: let it reclassify itself as a bank so it could pawn off its junk mortgages at the Fed’s discount window for 100 cents on the dollar, sticking taxpayers with the loss? (And by the way, will these firms ever be asked to buy back these mortgages at the price they borrowed against from the government? Or will they be allowed to walk away from their debts in a Wall Street version of “jingle mail”?)

This is the soap opera that Americans should be watching, if only it weren’t conducted in the foreign language of jargon and euphemism. At issue is whether Lehman’s crisis was merely a temporary “liquidity problem,” that time would have cleaned up much like BP’s oil spill in the Gulf; or, did the firm suffer a more deep-seated “balance sheet problem” (negative equity), as Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke claims – a junk balance sheet, composed of assets that not only had no buyers at the time, but had no visible likelihood of recovering their market price even after the $13 trillion the Treasury and Federal Reserve have spent to bail out Wall Street.

Insisting that Lehman should have shared in Washington’s $13 trillion giveaway, Mr. Fuld testified that his firm was just as savable as Countrywide or A.I.G. – or Fannie Mae for that matter. Lehman was perversely singled out, he claims. Was it not indeed as savable as the Fed and Treasury claim the U.S. real estate sector is? Like over-mortgaged homeowners, all it needed was enough time to finish selling off its portfolio, given enough loan support to tide it over.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 16:13:25

This what happens when you don’t belong to the right country club.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-09-06 13:59:43

Lehman was let go because they didn’t ‘help out’ when LTC (Long Term Capital) went under as the Russians defaulted on their bonds.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-09-05 09:25:23

My hourly rate is lowered now…I have been working extra hours for free the last couple of months. It beats being unemployed though! The work is interesting, I have higher visibility, and I’m being noticed by higher levels of my much increased productivity. I don’t think it will end up in me having a raise at least this year. But I figure at some point the next project could be boring again and I will settle back to 40 hour weeks.

Some of the dead wood have been let go from the company over a few months. They were overpaid (senior engineeers) but underperformers, but at the same time they don’t have enough experienced people willing to do the work. I have around seven years of experience on the product line and two years on other product lines, plus essential algorithms and knowledge of specifications over multiple product lines. So that’s partly why they keep me. My new enthusiasm is also a reason for them to keep me.
Wonder if any others here are going through the same thing? I spend most of my weekdays and some weekends in a windowless lab cut off from internet :). Worked yesterday and will work either today or Monday (Labor Day).

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 10:15:11

“Monday (Labor Day)”

Same here…nobody has a gun to my head, but somebody has to pay for the wife’s and kids’ visit to the Happiest Place on Earth.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-05 10:56:10

“My hourly rate is lowered now…I have been working extra hours for free the last couple of months. It beats being unemployed though! The work is interesting, I have higher visibility, and I’m being noticed by higher levels of my much increased productivity.”

heh heh… Classic. Work just a little hard now…. and a little longer…. for less… and maybe you too will be rich someday…. and you believe it….. lmao.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 12:24:46

“We’ve been working so long with so little, we will soon be able to do the impossible, with nothing.”

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 16:14:53

heh heh… Classic. Work just a little hard now…. and a little longer…. for less… and maybe you too will be rich someday…. and you believe it….. lmao.

Right? :lol:

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-09-05 18:38:06

You trying to prod me in responding?

My goal has not been to become rich, although that would be very nice.

If I stopped working now and moved to some place in flyover country I could live on $70,000 per year skimming off the annual earnings of my nest egg and not have to work. It’s good money in flyover country. But not rich by any chance.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 17:32:51

Maybe If I were making the kind of money you make it could be ok…but I was doing temp doc review after 9/11 recovering law firm files…and i couldn’t wait to get out and breath the fresh NYC air everyday. Yet others were putting in 3-4 and more hours of OT daily… coming in on weekends…..I just couldn’t force myself to scrap my life for the big paycheck.

Now OJ was a different matter, i loved working at Court tv.

I spend most of my weekdays and some weekends in a windowless lab cut off from internet :

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 10:08:16

The Daily Reckoning
Economy stuck? Print money. Watch out.

Central bankers have faced today’s crisis before. But their new weapon, quantitative easing, could make the mess worse.

A man looks at the share prices displayed on an electric board of a securities’ firm in Tokyo Aug 20. With the economies of Japan, the US, and many other advanced economies stuck, central bankers are turning on the money spigots.

Koji Sasahara/AP/File

Professors Ken Rogoff and Carmen Reinhart studied 15 economic crises over the last 75 years. What they found was what you’d expect: real recoveries in the post-Keynes era are rare. Instead, in the 10 years following a crisis, economic growth rates are lower and unemployment is higher than in the years preceding the crisis. In two thirds of the episodes, jobless rates never recovered to pre-crisis levels, ever. And in 9 out of 10 of them, housing prices were still lower 10 years after the crisis ended.

“Our review of the historical record, therefore, strongly supports the view that large, destabilizing economic events produce big changes in the long-term indicators, well after the upheaval of the crisis. [Up to now,” the authors warn, “we have been traversing the tracks of prior crises. But if we continue as others have before, the need to de-leverage will dampen employment and growth for some time to come.”]

It was perhaps this scholarly warning that roused Shirakawa to action, with Ben Bernanke right behind. Neither wants to be known as the central banker who followed in the footsteps of losers. Urged on by sages and simpletons, they will print money. “It falls to the Fed to fuel recovery,” writes Clive Crook, one or the other, in The Financial Times. “Under the circumstances,” he writes, “better to print money and be damned.” At last week’s conference in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, the Americans promised to print more money, if needed. Shirakawa rushed home early so he could turn on the presses right away.

We would have more faith in central bankers if they had not been responsible for causing the crisis in the first place. Shirakawa joined the Bank of Japan more than 30 years ago. Ben Bernanke, an expert on the Great Depression, joined the Fed in 2002; he was standing at Alan Greenspan’s right side, with a pin in his hand, years before the bubble reached a crisis level.

In a sense,” said Professor John Taylor, also at Jackson Hole, “the Fed caused the bubble.” That is, in the only sense that matters – they kept the key lending rate too low for too long. Now they are about to make another monumental mistake. No, two of them.

The first is already in progress. By promising the world extremely low rates for an “extended period” of time, they have created the exact conditions they wanted to avoid. President of the St. Louis branch of the Federal Reserve, James Bullard, explained that the Fed had unwittingly put the economy into an “unintended steady state.” The key rate cannot go any lower as prices sink; it is already at zero. It cannot go higher, either, not as long as inflation remains below the target. So, it does not move. The private sector has come to expect no policy response, Bullard concludes, “so nothing changes with respect to nominal interest rates or inflation.” As in Japan, the US economy remains in a coma.

The second major mistake is still ahead. Quantitative easing is a new weapon. It is not meant to kill dollar holders or bond buyers. It is intended merely to scare them with a little bit of inflation. But with the Fed’s QE shotgun staring him in the face, an investor may doubt the Fed’s promise to pull the trigger “just a little.” He will drop the dollar and US bonds and run. Inflation will soar.

Here at The Daily Reckoning, we have argued that it is coming…but not soon. Our opinion hasn’t changed. We’re just getting tired of waiting.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-09-05 15:15:09

We’re just getting tired of waiting.

Hyperinflation- perpetually coming soon.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-09-05 15:33:03

Really this whole article is a mess. And it’s a guest opinion piece by Bill Bonner, not Koji whoever.

First of all, he keeps saying in the ‘post-Keynes’ era. What does that mean? In the period since we began using Keynes’ theories, or in the period since we’ve mostly quit using them and switched to monetarism? I assume he means the former(and includes the monetarism period in there as well), but does, say post-WW2 not mean the period after WW2, not during WW2?

As for the great study that purports to show that Keynes’ theories didn’t work in many cases, how do they explain the ending of the last Great Depression? I bet they’ll say it was government spending on armaments that actually pulled us and many other countries out of the depression, not Keynes’s theories.

Well, what is government spending on armaments other that Keynes’s theory at work? Government spending ended the last depression. It just wasn’t large enough to end it until we started ramping up for the war- a massive stimulus both parties could finally agree on.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:49:16

“It just wasn’t large enough to end it until we started ramping up for the war- a massive stimulus both parties could finally agree on.”

The mass destruction of all rivals’ capital stocks coupled with America’s remaining intact didn’t hurt the recovery much, did it?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-09-05 16:26:01

The mass destruction of all rivals’ capital stocks coupled with America’s remaining intact didn’t hurt the recovery much, did it?

It didn’t hurt! But, remember, we had been out of the depression for many years before we were able to begin rebuilding much of the rest of the world, and profiting from that.

The massive increase in government spending that occurred as we prepared for and fought WW2 was what finally ended GD1. That’s another way of saying government spending ended GD1. Rebuilding everyone else was icing on the cake, and definitely made paying it back easier.

When people say it wasn’t Keynes’ theories that ended the Great Depression, but rather the onset of WW2, they are revealing that they don’t understand Keynes’ theories.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by ann gogh
2010-09-05 10:24:42

yeah, I didn’t get a raise but blue shield was happy to give me two increases. one, 50 dollars more a month NOW and in february I get a 100.00 increase. Meanwhile, I only go in for yearly stuff. How was your week?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 12:26:34

The next bubble to pop……the medical/insurance industrial complex.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 14:55:17

Before or after the financial panic flight-to-quality bubble (gold + Treasurys)?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-05 15:11:45

When I go to the doctor (say for my annual checkup) the only only patients I ever see there are old geezers on Medicare. I guess everybody else is saddled with high deductible plans now, so they just don’t go to the doctor anymore.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 16:18:20

And yet people keep buying into it. Kinda of like buying 3 of something on sale in order to get 50 cents off. :lol:

Apparently “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure” is now rocket surgery.

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Comment by GH
2010-09-05 15:57:51

I guess this was the idea behind mandating the purchase of health insurance. Keep the part going a while longer.

 
 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-09-05 10:28:39
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 10:53:19

Got some skinny on the Foreclosure Ranch real estate scene last night. I guess a few folks in our circle have recently copped some “screamin’ deals” on 4S foreclosure homes. One mentioned was $570K for a 3800 sq ft home; that is more house than we need or want, but an interesting comp to our rental, for which our landlords paid $540K in 2004 to get half a duplex with 1835 square feet, in an older neighborhood.

On a price per square foot basis, we are talking about $540/1835 sq ft = $294/sq ft in 2004 dollars versus $570k/3800 sq ft = $150/sq ft in 2010 dollars. Since the CPI-U was around 190 in fall 2004 and recently around 218, implying the recent $570K purchase price has a 2004 dollar value of $570K*(190/218) = $497K, or in price per square foot terms, $497K/3800 sq ft = $131/sq ft.

Based on the above, the inflation-adjusted decline in price per square foot, based on these representative examples, has been
(131/294-1)*100 = 55 percent. We’re getting there. Now just wait until the effects of the first time buyer tax credit wear off, a lot more prim- and Alt-A ARM resets hammer the high end between now and 2013, and interest rates adjust up to some semblance of normalcy. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 11:39:05

The other interesting aspect of the social gathering we attended: There were a few otherwise reasonable adults in attendance who fervently believe that Obama is a closet Muslim. I didn’t bother arguing with them; I have learned the hard way never to question an LDS Church member’s beliefs, as it is an exercise in futility to question someone who “knows” they are correct with absolute certainty.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 14:54:03

Those Wasabi Islamic extremists really scare me…

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 14:57:00

Those Wasabi Islamic extremists are even worse after they have mustard their troops.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-09-05 15:13:41

I think you and I don*t care whether or not Obama is a Muslim or “closet” Muslim. I had a Muslim girlfriend and she was the most honest woman I ever knew. She never wished harm on anyone. She dressed like a westerner and did not wear a scarf or burka. She even had Leonard Cohen CDs and enjoyed his music. If I’m not mistaken, Mr. Cohen is Jewish.

Not sure how things worked out, but Kuwait back in 2005 was getting closer to granting women political rights:

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=12939

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:51:11

Like the membership of all other religions known to mankind, it is only the extremists of Islam who scare me. Unfortunately, the extremists seem to be continually extending their reach, and once they are in the politically dominant position, the less extreme must choose to either leave, conform, or face harsh punishment.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:52:48

P.S. I have Iranians in my personal circle, and duly note that they are among the most Westernized / modernized people I have ever met.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-06 08:17:55

I had a Muslim girlfriend and she was the most honest woman I ever knew. She never wished harm on anyone. She dressed like a westerner and did not wear a scarf or burka. She even had Leonard Cohen CDs and enjoyed his music

Could she cook?

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Comment by ann gogh
2010-09-05 12:16:18

wow, if it comes down to 500k it would be hard to resist, huh?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 14:51:38

I don’t know; my wife pointed out on the way home from our social function that property taxes on a $500K home would run you a pretty penny, and HOA is several hundred a month in 4S. Besides that, owning 3800 sq ft of floor space implies either paying someone to clean it for you or doing the work yourself, at a high disutility of effort unless you enjoy cleaning (as my MIL does). But I did feel a measure of kitchen envy in that space as I chipped in my effort on last minute meal preparation detail.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-05 15:09:26

HOA is several hundred a month in 4S

WTF! What do the get for that money? A yacht club?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:33:24

Club, yes — with swimming pool, outdoor ice skating rink (in San Diego!), soccer fields and basketball gymnasium, to name a few amenities. But since it is over ten miles inland, 4S is high and dry, with nary a yacht or ocean view.

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-09-05 19:26:46

PB
Our former McMansion pushed 4,000 and I called it “the woman killer”. We tried the maid thing, and it didn’t work for us. Yeah, the kitchens are usually a knock out, but the downside outweighs it. I don’t like the personality traits of McMansion owners. I can tell them right off, generally group thinkers.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 16:00:09

The silver lining: If 4S comes down to $500K, homes of comparably lesser quality (e.g. size) will sell for even less. So, for instance, if one could get a 3800 sq ft home in 4S for $500K, one might expect to pay around (2200/3800)*$500K = $290K for a 2200 sq ft with otherwise similar amenities. My strict proportionality assumption may not hold exactly, but monotonicity is almost certain to hold (other things equal, larger homes will sell for more money than smaller ones).

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 14:57:05

One detail I forgot to mention: I guess the home sat on the market unsold for two years before our friends bought it at a fire-sale price. This suggests a strategy for motivated buyers to consider: Look for homes that strike your fancy which have sat on the market for over a year, and make lowball offers until you luck out and find a realistic seller who is willing to deal in reality.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 17:38:44

Bear:

How much is the landlord losing on you a month?

for which our landlords paid $540K in 2004 to get half a duplex with 1835 square feet,

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 23:17:22

They are losing nothing on us, as we dutifully pay the full rent on time or early month-in, month-out, per our contractual agreement. But as my post above indicates, they have lost a small fortune by catching themselves a falling knife just before the onset of the steepest price declines in San Diego real estate history. The point when large numbers of blue collar workers turn to real estate investing as a sideline occupation is as much an indicator of an incipient crash as when that shoe-shine boy gave Joseph Kennedy a hot stock tip just before the Great Crash of 1929.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-05 11:01:45

Fannie is playing games with their inventory again. The very same shacks that have been sitting for months with “price reduced” status are now getting recycled with new status “coming soon”.

PhoneyMae is just as deluded as your typical home-debtor attempting to sell at grossly inflated prices.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:00:09

Too bad for them that the first-time homebuyer tax credit and its extension lured the last of the greater fools off the fence and into the market. Now they are playing against a savvier, stubborner, less motivated prospective buyer pool whose membership is generally in no hurry whatsoever and will not be easily duped into overpaying.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:35:11

I would argue that the recent crash in the rate of home sales strongly supports my point.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 11:11:39

IMHO, the jury is still out on whether Shelter in Place performs as advertised. Sure no home in 4S Ranch burned in the 2007 Witch Creek fire, as the main path of fire tracked through Lake Hodges Canyon, which is a couple of miles to the north.

Critics Speak Out About Shelter In Place Option

Cielo, 4S Ranch, Bel Etage, Salviati, Savenna, The Bridges, Crosby and The Lakes Are Shelter In Place Communities

During the last fire storm, not one shelter in place home was lost and only one 4S Rancho house was damaged.

But shelter in place is not without critics.

“It’s a fool’s errand to think you can make this work,” said critic Bruce Tebbs from the Deer Springs Fire District.

He said developers use shelter in place to get dense housing projects approved in areas difficult to evacuate.

“They cannot get the projects through following the state fire code,” said Tebbs.

He said unpredictable wildfires are likely to cause panicked people to flee their homes too late when it is the most dangerous.

“This is the only county in America to my knowledge where they allow that,” said Tebbs.

Salzetti said that if a fire comes through, she won’t be sticking around.

“Having little kids, I would evacuate if I could,” said Salzetti.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 16:25:48

“Shelter in Place.” Another oxymoron that people were suckered into.

Like “trickle down.” (”So you’re willing to settle for a trickle?!”)

My all time favorite, “self policing.” (”Fox, meet hen house.”)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 11:22:43

We saw in Fall 2008 how, at the height of crisis, U.S. financial authorities chose discretion to break the usual rules governing the financial system in order to justify bailing out too-big-to-fail banks. So long as these financial behemoths are allowed to continue existence in their present, too-big-to-fail size, they will continue to dangle a Sword of Damocles above the U.S. Treasury’s head, ready to drop the next time a systemic risk crisis triggers its release. At that point, the same decision will face financial regulators as that which faced them in Fall 2008, and the regulators will have to again decide whether crisis conditions warrant abdicating the rule of law which normally governs the financial system. Why would we expect different results, if whatever rules happen to be in place can easily be ignored at the height of crisis, to be later defended as necessary to save the financial system?

Why Ben Bernanke Will Regret Declaring Mission Accomplished on “Too Big to Fail”
By Alain Sherter | September 2, 2010

Here’s a simple test for determining if the era of “too big to fail” is over, as Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and FDIC chief Sheila Bair said it is in their appearance today before the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission. Ask yourself — in your role as businesspeople, taxpayers, voters, investors, borrowers, parents — whether you expect the U.S. government to bail out the nation’s largest financial firms the next time calamity strikes.

If the answer is yes, then TBTF lives. After all, that’s what this unofficial designation is all about: a market perception, shaped by an understanding of economic and political realities, that the feds must guarantee the existence of certain institutions because of these companies’ importance in the financial system.

It’s the central question of the financial crisis. Because while the meltdown had many causes — from fraudulent mortgage lending, fictitious credit ratings and dangerous financial “innovation” to hapless regulation and political corruption — it couldn’t have happened without the super-sizing in recent years of a handful of companies. Firms, it’s worth remembering, that are getting bigger.

If the issue of what to do about these titans remains the same, so does the nature of the proposed solutions. The debate today, as it was in 2008, remains not whether government will intervene in the financial markets when the next meteor strikes, but how. Will we again rescue big banks, allowing taxpayers to absorb their losses in the name of preventing financial Armageddon; or will we emulate the FDIC in how it deals with small failing banks and also nationalize larger firms?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 11:27:22

Great stuff here:

…while we do now have a roadmap for resolving TBTF financial firms, there are a number of reasons to think regulators won’t follow it:

* Speculation is alive and well on Wall Street.

* Whatever their statutory powers, regulators remain handcuffed.

* Disposing of TBTF firms is dauntingly complex.

* TBTF firms are bigger and more interconnected than ever.

* Political will remains weak to challenge TBTF firms.

Returning to our litmus test above, to declare an end to TBTF requires an enormous suspension of disbelief regarding the forces acting on our financial system. And finally, it implies an investment of trust in our bankers, regulators and lawmakers that none of these parties, in recent years, have earned.

Comment by GH
2010-09-05 16:02:51

The time to take them apart was 18 months ago, before we gave them all our money.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 23:13:28

Did you mean to say, “Before the Congress ignored the will of the American people, and gave them all our money”?

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 16:27:22

Like they care whether we trust them or not. :roll: :lol:

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 12:10:43

Off topic…….can someone explain to me why “Napoleon Dynamite” is supposed to be so funny.

My kids think it’s hysterically funny. To me, it’s moderately amusing, but mostly just stupid.

Is this one of those movies where you have to be high, to think it’s funny?

Comment by ACH
2010-09-05 14:25:39

+1

Roidy

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 14:46:51

“…you have to be high, to think it’s funny?”

Either that, or you need some familiarity with local LDS culture in rural Idaho …

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 16:30:12

Most modern comedy no longer has any “art” to it.

And the drag about getting older is you can only listen to the same jokes and watch the same pratfalls and contrived scenarios over and over before you get sick and tired of them… unless you’re the average American.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 18:51:11

It’s funny - and my taste may not be common - but the last comedies I like were from the early 1980s: Ghostbusters, Trading Places, and Stripes.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 12:30:38

Builders of N.Y. mosque face financial hurdles
Developers are about a quarter-million dollars behind on taxes and fees

NEW YORK — The developers planning to build a $100 million Islamic center near the World Trade Center site still have financial hurdles to clear: They haven’t finished buying all the property they want for the project and are nearly a quarter-million dollars behind on real estate taxes and late fees.

How serious those problems might be depends on who is backing the project — and that’s still a big unknown.

The real estate partnership that controls the site of the planned cultural center, health club and mosque insists it has the financial wherewithal to put the project together, and that its failure to pay its first two quarterly property tax payments this year is not evidence of fiscal ill health.

The entity that owns the building, 45 Park Place Partners LLC, has an interest-fattened $236,327 tax bill looming on Oct. 1, according to city records.

The Manhattan real estate firm that put together the building purchase, Soho Properties, issued a statement through a spokesman that waved off concerns over the missed payments and said it’s not in financial distress.

The lack of payment resulted from an ongoing dispute with the city over the assessed value of the building, the company said. In such disputes, it is not unusual for building owners to temporarily suspend payments, the company said.

Comment by WT Economist
2010-09-05 18:46:04

Houses of worship are tax exempt in New York.

If the project succeeds, those taxes disappear. If it does not, he can pay when he sells the building.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 12:32:09

Job seekers stay closer to home
Housing crunch takes hit on unemployment
Nashville Business Journal

Americans are known for moving to where opportunity lies. Today, however, many find themselves unable to uproot themselves, adding a frustrating wrinkle to the causes behind the sputtering housing market.

Their lack of mobility — caused by an unwillingness, fear of or inability to sell their homes — is now delaying a recovery in the housing market and contributing to higher unemployment.

In a report for Washington, D.C.-based Brookings Institute, demographer William Frey said interstate migration is at its lowest level since World War II. Frey estimated that 1.6 percent of Americans moved out of state in the 12 months leading to March 2009.

Frey’s analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data showed that Nashville, the 20th fastest-growing metropolitan area in 2008-09, grew by 1.7 percent that year, down from 2.7 percent in 2005-06, which Frey describes as the last year of “the bubble.”

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-05 13:16:03

This “refusing to uproot” deal is getting a disproportionate part of the “blame”. Just another thing to deflect the criticism from the people who really deserve it.

I’m currently in a position where I can load my crap and relocate anywhere in less than 72 hours, if need be.

No jobs to relocate to. At least for my demographic and skill set. So I commute 70+ miles each way for part-time/contract positions.

I hear North Dakota is the new Promised Land.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 14:43:21

“No jobs to relocate to.”

No jobs + unaffordable housing wherever the few available jobs might be located = labor market deep freeze.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-05 15:05:13

My wife tells me that at the local Public Library where she works that they still get the usual stream of “relocators” who blow into our town, get a library card to use the internet at the library to job hunt. As in the past few find any permanent work and they eventually move on to the next town, never using their library card again. She says that the number of dormant accounts dwarfs the number of active accounts.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 12:44:28

“Each generation should be made to bear the burden of its own wars, instead of carrying them on at the expense of other generations.”

~James Madison

Comment by 2banana
2010-09-05 19:51:00

I was always amazed at my phone bill that had a tax on it from the Spanish American War. They finally did away with that tax in the late 1990s!

Of course, that Spanish American War had long been paid for - government just gets used to collecting the money. Just like toll roads and toll bridges - they are more than paid for but government just loves that money stream coming in for more pet projects in which to buy votes.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 12:53:16

NYTimes.com
Florida’s High-Speed Answer to a Foreclosure Mess

TEN days from now, a four-bedroom house on a cul-de-sac in Middleburg, Fla., is scheduled to be auctioned off at the Clay County courthouse, 25 miles south of Jacksonville.

Will ending the recession depend on selling more homes?

Mr. Waters, a supervisor at a local packaging company and the family’s sole breadwinner, fell behind on his mortgage two years ago after his property taxes jumped unexpectedly. He now owes $264,000 on the house; a similar home down the street sold for $138,500 in February.

The predicament of the Waters-Reese family is common in Florida today. The state routinely sets new records for foreclosures — in the second quarter, 20.13 percent of its mortgages were delinquent or in foreclosure, a national high, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. And with housing prices still in a free fall, almost half of all borrowers in Florida owe more on their mortgages than their properties are worth, says CoreLogic, a data firm.

While the Waters-Reese case may not be unusual in Florida, the coming auction of the home is still notable: it will be a result of the Florida Legislature’s new effort to cut the number of foreclosures inching their way through the state’s courts. Earlier this year, Florida earmarked $9.6 million to set up foreclosures-only courts across the state, staffed by retired judges. The goal of the program, which began in July, is to reduce the foreclosures backlog by 62 percent within a year.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-05 12:55:47

Shadow Shoguns Will Trash $5 Trillion Economy:Bloomberg Opinion William Pesek

Even for a guy dubbed Japan’s “Shadow Shogun,” it was a breathtaking moment.

There he was, scandal-tainted powerbroker Ichiro Ozawa, announcing a move to challenge his own ruling party’s leader this month. Why? Prime Minister Naoto Kan refused to make backroom deals to secure Ozawa’s support.

Kan could have easily forgone a mess that is roiling markets. He took the high road, though, declining to promise Cabinet or party posts to Ozawa’s supporters. Good for Kan.

This is a pivotal moment for those wondering if Japan can right its off-course economic system. It’s quite simple: a Kan win on Sept. 14 will challenge a status quo that left Japan trailing China sooner than many had imagined. An Ozawa victory may push Japan further off investors’ radar screens.

This election also gets at an old, yet growing problem in Japan. It’s the fact that the political shoguns of elections past never seem to go away and block radical change in a nation calling out for it.

Ozawa, 68, is the poster child. The former leader of the Democratic Party of Japan is under investigation for his role in a campaign-finance scandal. Such alleged shenanigans kept him from the ultimate prize: prime minister. When his DPJ finally topped the mighty Liberal Democratic Party in August 2009, that honor went to Yukio Hatoyama.

Neglected Economy

The hapless Hatoyama stepped down in June amid his own political-funding investigation. That paved the way for the reformist Kan, 63, to take over and tend to a long-neglected economy.

Not so fast, say Ozawa and Hatoyama. They are teaming up to retake the helm. This will destroy any hope for major structural change in Asia’s second-biggest economy.

Let’s not count out the LDP, which until last year ran Japan virtually uninterrupted for 54 years. Yet it, too, is looking like a has-been. Two of its former prime ministers, Yoshiro Mori and Shinzo Abe, are brawling publicly over the direction their wing of the party should take.

Japan is also rich with economic has-beens filling the airwaves with advice for the Kan government. Never mind that Eisuke Sakakibara was a Finance Ministry bigwig during a particularly undistinguished period of policy making (1997-1999). We in the media can’t get enough of the guy known as “Mr. Yen.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-05/shadow-shoguns-will-trash-5-trillion-economy-commentary-by-william-pesek.html

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 16:34:29

That’s officially now the “3rd biggest economy.”

Oops. How’s that backroom deal making working out for you, Japan?

 
 
Comment by SUGuy
2010-09-05 13:25:23

IS this going to be the beginning of the final BUST?

No defence left against double-dip recession, says Nouriel Roubini
The United States, Japan and large parts of Europe have exhausted their policy arsenal, leaving them defenceless against a double-dip recession as recovery slows to ‘stall speed’

Dr Roubini said the US growth rate was likely to fall below 1pc in the second half of the year, despite the biggest stimulus in history: a cut in interest rates from 5pc to zero, a budget deficit of 10pc of GDP, and $3 trillion to shore up the financial system.

The anaemic pace compares with rates of 4pc-6pc at this stage of recovery in normal post-war recoveries.

“We have reached stall speed. Any shock at this point can tip you back into recession. With interbank spreads rising, you can get a vicious circle like 2008-2009,” he said, describing a self-feeding process as the real economy and the credit system hurt each other.

“There is a 40pc chance of double-dip recession in the US, and worse in Japan. Even if it is not technically a recession it will feel like it,” he added.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7981334/No-defence-left-against-double-dip-recession-says-Nouriel-Roubini.html

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 14:41:29

“IS this going to be the beginning of the final BUST?”

Not sure I would draw any conclusions based on Roubini’s stopped-clock gloom-and-doom predictions, any more than I would base them on the green shoots propaganda. It’s every man for himself from here on out…

Comment by SUGuy
2010-09-05 14:52:46

Roubini, Shiller have been quiet while krugman is flaming all over the place for more stimilus.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:41:20

I’m pretty sure more stimulus is on the way, regardless of what Krugman, Roubini, Shiller, Bernanke, Summers, Geithner or any other policy wonk suggests, as the liquidity freeze which might persist through a long period of adjustment in its absence is clearly too much for any policy maker to even contemplate. Witness recent results in housing and automotive sales for examples of my point.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-05 17:48:43

Yup directly to the people…or maybe just to renters…

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I’m pretty sure more stimulus is on the way,

 
Comment by rms
2010-09-05 21:24:07

“I’m pretty sure more stimulus is on the way…”

I put George’s check toward my mortgage. Another?

 
 
Comment by M Gal
2010-09-05 16:16:32

Actually, Shiller’s two most recent columns in the NYT have called for a new round of stimulus via revenue sharing to fund “big, temporary government programs aimed directly at putting people back to work.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/business/29view.html?scp=1&sq=robert%20shiller&st=cse

And Roubini is all over the papers this weekend saying we have a 40% chance of a double-dip recession. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7981334/No-defence-left-against-double-dip-recession-says-Nouriel-Roubini.html

So it’s not just Krugman foaming at the mouth — and with good reason. The world economy is on the brink of what is likely to be another incredible disaster.

The best explanation I’ve seen for why stimulus is necessary — and why “fiscal consolidation” (reducing public debt) is a red herring — is by Martin Wolk of the Financial Times. See his recent article on the game of “pass the parcel.” http://www.ft.com/comment/columnists/martinwolf
Wolf’s piece on “Why we must halt the land cycle” is also great.

Here’s also a good piece with Meredith Whitney about why fiscal stimulus is insufficient; structural changes to address unemployment have to be made. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_25/b4183043333124.htm This is why Meredith’s been saying all summer that a double-dip is likely. Funny that she is so rarely mentioned in the NYT, WSJ and other mainline coverage, given her excellent record of predicting the last disaster.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 16:40:17

I posted a link yesterday about the student loan bubble. It’s debt, at $829 BILLION roughly equals the CC debt.

Guess who bears the brunt of any economic downturn? And you do know that student loans CANNOT BE DISCHARGED?

Comment by combotechie
2010-09-05 16:49:23

“Guess who bears the brunt of any economic downturn.”

Ultimately it’s the parents. The kids can’t make it on their own so they are forced to come back home to live with Mom and Dad. Plus they bring along their own kids if they have them.

Home: The place, that when you go there, they have to take you in.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 18:35:45

No they don’t. :lol:

The point was that those student loans (but not all) will be defaulted on and create a mess much like the current one.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 14:45:17

Has the U.S. banking system always rested on a foundation of Machiavellian deception, or is this feature a recent innovation?

Just wonderin’…

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 16:41:18

Ever heard of the 1st and 2nd Banks of the United States?

Wiki.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 21:57:45

Dang — I was afraid somebody would chime in and answer, “Yes.”

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:42:59

Grim Housing Choice: Help Today’s Owners or Future Ones
By DAVID STREITFELD
Published: September 5, 2010

The unexpectedly deep plunge in home sales this summer is likely to force the Obama administration to choose between future homeowners and current ones, a predicament officials had been eager to avoid.

Over the last 18 months, the administration has rolled out just about every program it could think of to prop up the ailing housing market, using tax credits, mortgage modification programs, low interest rates, government-backed loans and other assistance intended to keep values up and delinquent borrowers out of foreclosure. The goal was to stabilize the market until a resurgent economy created new households that demanded places to live.

As the economy again sputters and potential buyers flee — July housing sales sank 26 percent from July 2009 — there is a growing sense of exhaustion with government intervention. Some economists and analysts are now urging a dose of shock therapy that would greatly shift the benefits to future homeowners: Let the housing market crash.

When prices are lower, these experts argue, buyers will pour in, creating the elusive stability the government has spent billions upon billions trying to achieve.

Housing needs to go back to reasonable levels,” said Anthony B. Sanders, a professor of real estate finance at George Mason University. “If we keep trying to stimulate the market, that’s the definition of insanity.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 16:44:08

“You can count on the Americans to do the right thing… after they’ve tried everything else.”

- Winston Churchill

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-05 18:22:59

Lady Astor: Winston, you’re drunk!

Winston: And you madam are ugly. But I shall be sober in the morning.

Comment by ACH
2010-09-05 21:29:43

Lady Astor: If you were my husband, I should put poison in your coffee!

Winston: … and if I were your husband, I should drink it!

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-05 20:13:22

…Let the housing market crash…

It’s too early for that. It would cause other markets to crash.

Anyway, sales are down 26% from a year ago? What more do you want? If that’s not a crash i dunno what is.
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…When prices are lower, these experts argue, buyers will pour in..

In order to buy, buyers need money.
Currently, that house-money is in stocks, various investments or squirreled away in banks. Some certainly plan on a mortgage which requires them continuing to have and hold a job.

“Letting the housing market crash” prematurely could easily destroy that money, those investments and those jobs… in which case there will be no buyers, no matter how low the price of property might go.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 21:55:50

“What more do you want?”

In a nut shell: Lower prices / higher sales

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-05 23:11:30

well.. that’s already baked in..

You getting a little impatient?
Housing market support resources have a limit. Do what you can to get them used up. Encourage people to buy houses now, and petition government to create more and bigger programs. The sooner those resources are drained, the sooner this will all be over.
Personally.. well.. haste makes waste and I prefer to let things take their natural course.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 15:46:06

Toyota, Honda Lead U.S. Auto August Sales Plunge on `Clunkers’ Comparison
By Alan Ohnsman - Sep 1, 2010 6:29 PM PT

Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co., beneficiaries last year of U.S. “cash for clunkers” incentives, had the steepest August sales declines among large carmakers because of the program’s end and a slowing economy.

Toyota, the world’s largest automaker, sold 34 percent fewer vehicles in the U.S. than in August 2009, while Honda’s volume plunged 33 percent. Sales for Nissan Motor Co. and Hyundai Motor Co. fell 27 percent and 11 percent, respectively.

Asia-based brands had a combined 29 percent decline, compared with a 14 percent dip for U.S.-based General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC, and topping a 21 percent industrywide drop.

While Toyota sales were expected to fall considering the boost it got last year from rebates for trade-ins, “this month’s results are even worse than expected,” said Michelle Krebs, a senior analyst at Santa Monica, California-based Edmunds.com. “Toyota still is suffering a hangover from its numerous recalls this year.”

U.S. auto sales last month were the slowest for August in 28 years as model-year closeout deals failed to lure people concerned about the economy and their jobs. Consumers avoided showrooms as fear of a double-dip recession grows following the 27 percent slide in existing home sales in July, said Jesse Toprak, vice president of industry trends at TrueCar dot com.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-05 17:43:11

In a few years today’s sales levels will be the “good old days”

 
 
Comment by SUGuy
2010-09-05 17:13:30

Young Children of immigrants

Please be aware it is a PDF

http://www.urban.org/uploadedpdf/412203-young-children.pdf

 
Comment by B. Durbin
2010-09-05 17:41:43

Adventures in Homeownership:

I am curious if anyone actually bothers to plan their landscaping for the long term. I am referring, specifically, to trees. Not only do people plant trees far too close to the house, they plant them too close together, with the result that the adult trees are unhealthy, sparse, and prone to stress– which can lead to dropped limbs, in case you’re wondering.

A good rule of thumb is to assume that the root system is at least as big as the canopy, and up to half again as large. And you can guess the spread of the canopy from the projected height of the tree. In short, you shouldn’t plant 40-foot trees ten feet apart. Or five feet from your house wall.

My immediate neighbors don’t understand why I want to rip out all but one of the trees in our backyard. “But they’re pretty.” Actually, yeah, that flowering one drops little berry-sized fruit (inedible) all over the backyard, but have you ever looked at it? It’s got very little foliage, is growing off to one side, and drops sticks all the time. It’s totally stressed. As is the tree far too close to it, and the one too close to that… the one that’s mostly sideways across the yard. We’ve made significant progress on its removal, but it’s still covering a large portion of lawn.

And as for losing the shade, the city has placed a line of trees just on the other side of the wall from these trees. We take ours out, and theirs get healthier… and incidentally don’t send roots around our sprinkler system. Just got that repaired and the guy had to take a mattock to a root. He still couldn’t get it out but he got the pipe fixed anyway. Yay!

So the adventure thus far: new HVAC (and ducts reconnected). New windows. Significant improvement in the inside temperature as a result even though we have it set “higher.” Some rooms painted. Sewer catch on city side found to be broken; repaired by city. Sewer catch on home side plugged; repaired by plumber & sewer catch located one foot down & under a bush. Sprinkler system repaired (problems with multiple heads & solenoids.) Water meter installed, new bill amounts to come. A lot of bushwhacking done in the back.

What does this mean? Aside from the paint jobs & minor repairs we’ve done, all of the work we have done on this house has been the necessary, invisible stuff. This is a better house than when we moved in, but I suspect that if we were to try and sell it we’d get overlooked because it’s not pretty. Especially since we stripped off the top of the 80s-era wallpaper but are still working on the underlayment… :D

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-05 18:39:14

“..you shouldn’t plant 40-foot trees ten feet apart. Or five feet from your house wall.”

I see this all the time. With oak trees no less!

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-09-05 19:43:28

Not only do people plant trees far too close to the house, they plant them too close together

Always amazed when I hike through a forest - what is mother nature thinking with all those trees so close together???

Comment by clark
2010-09-06 00:14:38

I see this all the time. With oak trees no less!

Seems like the work of the terrist squirrel network.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 23:08:35

The Financial Times
Why we must halt the land cycle
By Martin Wolf
Published: July 8 2010 22:28 | Last updated: July 8 2010 22:28

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. This applies not least to the immense financial and economic crisis into which the world has fallen. So what lay behind it? The answer is the credit-fuelled property cycle. The people of the US, UK, Spain and Ireland became feverish speculators in land. Today, the toxic waste poisons the entire world economy.

In 1984, I bought my London house. I estimate that the land on which it sits was worth £100,000 in today’s prices. Today, the value is perhaps ten times as great. All of that vast increment is the fruit of no effort of mine. It is the reward of owning a location that the efforts of others made valuable, reinforced by a restrictive planning regime and generous tax treatment – property taxes are low and gains tax-free.

So I am a land speculator – a mini-aristocrat in a land where private appropriation of the fruits of others’ efforts has long been a prime route to wealth. This appropriation of the rise in the value of land is not just unfair: what have I done to deserve this increase in my wealth? It has obviously dire consequences.

First, it makes it necessary for the state to fund itself by taxing effort, ingenuity and foresight. Taxation of labour and capital must lower their supply. Taxation of resources will not have the same result, because supply is given. Such taxes reduce the unearned rewards to owners.

Second, this system creates calamitous political incentives. In a world in which people have borrowed heavily to own a location, they are desperate to enjoy land price rises and, still more, to prevent price falls. Thus we see a bizarre spectacle: newspapers hail upward moves in the price of a place to live – the most basic of all amenities. The beneficiaries are more than land speculators. They are also enthusiastic supporters of efforts to rig the market. Particularly in the UK, they welcome the creation of artificial scarcity of land, via a ludicrously restrictive regime of planning controls. This is the most important way in which wealth is transferred from the unpropertied young to the propertied old. In his new book, David Willetts, the universities minister, emphasises the unfairness of the distribution of wealth across generations.* The rigged land market is the biggest single cause of this calamity.

Third and most important, the opportunity for speculation in land both fuels – and is fuelled by – the credit cycle, which has, yet again destabilised the economy. In a superb new jeremiad, the journalist Fred Harrison argues that this cycle – with a duration of 18 years – was predictable and, by him at least, predicted.** In essence, he notes, buyers rent property from bankers, in return for a gamble on the upside. A host of agents gains fees from arranging, packaging and distributing the fruits of such highly speculative transactions. In the long upswing (the most recent one lasted 11 years in the UK), they all become rich together, as credit and debt explode upwards. Then, when the collapse comes, recent borrowers, the financial institutions and taxpayers suffer huge losses. This is no more than a giant pyramid selling scheme and one whose dire consequences we have seen again and again. It is ultimately, as Mr Harrison argues, a ruinous way of running our affairs.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-05 23:11:17

“The rigged land market is the biggest single cause of this calamity.”

Luckily that could never happen here in America, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-06 10:19:12

It is fantastic to see thinking on this level showing up in the MSM. I’m stunned.

He is dead on the mark.

 
 
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