September 7, 2010

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 03:07:28

September 7th….a date which will live in infamy…..oh, wait a minute.

Comment by samk
2010-09-07 04:47:03

You never know.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 08:06:29

IIRC this was a GHW Bush gaffe.

Comment by packman
2010-09-07 14:18:07

OK - just curious about this.

From googling I see references to GW’s Sep 11th speech perhaps pushing the general “infamy” theme harder that many though he should, but not aware of any specific gaffe, especially by GHWB.

Please enlighten.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 14:44:04

It must have been 20 years ago. GHW Bush was making a few remarks about sacrifice or whatever and stated “September 7th - a date which will live in infamy (stops, looks puzzled) - oh, wait a minute, did I just say that? No I meant December 7th….” I don’t have a cite for it at the moment.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 16:44:06

It was in 1988, during the Presidential campaign.

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 08:29:29

As a gesture towards political fairness, I guess I should make fun of the other side too.

“John Kerry met with Ralph Nader last week. Both sides of every issue were discussed. And then, Nader spoke.” -Jay Leno

Comment by Itsabouttime
2010-09-07 18:19:18

Nice try, but that’s not really funny–and I mean that as someone who finds Kerry’s backflips hilarious. Not to take this too seriously but, really, only an idiot can see only 1 side of an issue. Just because someone can discuss both sides doesn’t mean they equally support both sides.

Sad thing is, if we had more leaders who could see more than one side, most of our problems would be solvable. But, we do not. And here we sit, in a nation going to . . .

IAT

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Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 03:28:01

New credit law’s rules don’t apply to business cards

If you’re joining the ranks of the self-employed, you’ll need to take certain steps to show you’re serious about your business. A designated home office is a good idea. So is a professional-looking website. You may also want to invest in a comfortable pair of sweatpants, because you’ll probably be working into the wee hours.

Many nascent entrepreneurs believe they also need a business credit card. But while a corporate credit card may impress the folks at the local office-supply store, it’s important to understand the risks.

Business credit cards are exempt from the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act that was signed into law last year, says Bill Hardekopf, chief executive of LowCards.com. That means business card issuers can do a lot of things prohibited by the CARD Act. They can increase the interest rate on your existing balance, jack up your rate after just one late payment and apply payments to the balance with the lowest rate first.

CHARGES: Penalty rates, fees on credit cards not always clear

Last week, Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., charged credit card issuers with marketing business cards to consumers in an effort to evade the new restrictions on consumer cards.

“Credit card companies are purposely hawking corporate cards to consumers who don’t own a business and may even be retired,” Schumer said in a statement. “This is more than deceptive marketing. It is a dirty trick meant to get around the new credit card law.”

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-07 05:13:09

..as if Congress writing yet another ineffectual law would surprise anyone…

hey Chucky.. You worried about people not being careful enough when “consumers” get and use credit cards? Can’t they read the fine print?

Did YOU read the fine print and did you know what you were voting for with H.R. 627?
Evidently not.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 05:30:52

“It’s a dirty trick meant to get around the new credit card law.”

Imagine that! It’s as if the writers of the law intended for this to happen.

Comment by packman
2010-09-07 05:52:14

So - guess we’ll need more regulations to plug the holes left by these new ones.

And then another set to plug the holes left by those.

And then another set…

For some reason I have thoughts of Holland.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-07 07:17:31

Nothing several thousand pages of legislation can’t easily fix.

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Comment by JohnF
2010-09-07 11:34:12

Make sure you don’t read it before voting on it……

 
 
Comment by polly
2010-09-07 07:48:50

Or the credit card companies, could, you know, not be jack-sses.

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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-09-07 08:14:16

Or the government could, you know, not grant the CC co’s privileges and immunities unavailable to ordinary citizens, thereby enabling the CC’s to be jack-sses.

 
Comment by packman
2010-09-07 08:24:24

Or people could just stop using credit cards. Or at least stop paying interest on them and use them only as convenience.

 
Comment by polly
2010-09-07 09:11:52

Ordinary citizens can creat a corporation giving them a limited liability entity in which to carry out their business for a few hundred bucks. Might be less than that in some states, though I would recommend Delaware (not legal advice).

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-07 09:14:05

Or people could.. you know.. wise up.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 10:28:04

Joey wising up is not the problem…

you need money coming in to wise up and pay off the cards.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-07 11:45:10

..you need money coming in .. to pay off the cards…

You know that and I know that but the clueless, undisciplined credit-addicts don’t know that.

 
Comment by packman
2010-09-07 12:13:14

you need money coming in to wise up and pay off the cards.

Not necessarily. There are actually three options:

1. Pay off cards via money coming in.
2. Pay off cards via saved money.
3. Don’t use credit cards.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-07 12:34:10

4. Tap mom for $4,000 next week at dad’s b/day party.

In the meantime, hit the mall… 4K.. 5K… what’s the difference.

 
Comment by tangouniform
2010-09-07 13:57:01

5. File bankruptcy. If you don’t have any real assets to lose, that is. You’ll also get the chance to learn how to live within your means once you’re through the process. I expect that to be a major survival skill going forward.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 14:21:33

But let’s not blame an unstable job market. No,no,no. That would just encourage people to kick back and live large on their $300 week UI check.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 14:44:50

“5. File bankruptcy.”

This will soon become “the next big thing”. The next bank bailout will be to cover bad CC debt.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-07 14:59:25

Carelessly swiping credit cards in an unstable job market exhibits a deliberate, blatant disregard for one’s own financial well being.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-09-07 15:02:08

Polly,

Do you really think that it only costs a few hundred bucks to meet the legal and regulatory requirements to start a credit card company?

 
Comment by jbunniii
2010-09-07 15:22:01

you need money coming in to wise up and pay off the cards.

Or - how’s this for an idea - don’t buy anything with a credit card that you don’t ALREADY have cash in the bank to cover?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 16:21:42

Carelessly swiping credit cards in an unstable job market exhibits a deliberate, blatant disregard for one’s own financial well being.

You’ve never been hungry in your life have you? I mean REALLY hungry for long periods of time. Nor had to feed kids.

Those 3 McJobs you think are available don’t really pay for even the basics.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 07:38:46

Business credit cards are exempt from the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act that was signed into law last year, says Bill Hardekopf, chief executive of LowCards.com. That means business card issuers can do a lot of things prohibited by the CARD Act. They can increase the interest rate on your existing balance, jack up your rate after just one late payment and apply payments to the balance with the lowest rate first.

Which is why Yours Truly has but one credit card. And it’s in my name, not the name of my business.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 08:02:50

“Credit card companies are purposely hawking corporate cards to consumers who don’t own a business and may even be retired,” Schumer said in a statement. “This is more than deceptive marketing. It is a dirty trick meant to get around the new credit card law”

That business card scam won’t affect me.

I just call up, say that I’m Ben Jones and charge everything to the HBB.

Ooops!!

;)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 03:29:37

Used car prices skyrocketing, Edmunds says
Atlanta Business Chronicle

Automobile hunters looking to buy used cars, trucks or SUVs might want to hurry. Prices are going up.

The average price for a used car in the U.S. has jumped 10.3 percent in the past year, according to auto industry analyst Edmunds.com. The average price for some SUVs has skyrocketed 30 percent, the company reported.

Officials for the California-based company say these nationwide increases mirror average price hikes for used automobiles in metro Atlanta.

“I would concur with that,” said Jimmy Ellis, vice president of the Jim Ellis Automobile Dealership Group in Atlanta. “This year has been good one for pre-owned vehicle sales. Our volume is up.”

The average price for a used Cadillac Escalade, Chevrolet Suburban, Dodge Grand Caravan and BMW X5 led the pack with jumps of 33 percent or higher between July 2009 and July 2010, according to Edmunds.com.

“What’s going on is there’s been a lot of pent-up demand [for cars], said Jessica Caldwell, an Edmunds.com senior analyst. “Many people are at the point where they think new cars might be too expensive and they’re turning to used cars.”

“The whole market has been affected,” Caldwell said. “I think this trend is likely to continue.”

Between July 2009 and July 2010, the average price for a used car jumped from $17,448 to $19,248, according to Edmunds.com. The main reason, company officials said, is a continuing lack of consumer confidence in a fledgling economy.

Comment by Spook
2010-09-07 03:44:39

Thanks to poor quality and emissions rules, you can never pay off a car these days.

It wasn’t always like this.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 06:00:50

You must be young. Today’s cars, even American cars, are very durable. Cars with 50,000+ miles on the odometer run like they are still new. Back in the 70’s most cars would begin to fall apart when they had 50K on the odometer. The Japanese cars were better about that, but not as much as people like to think they were. Engine rebuilds were common. Now its not unusual for an engine with 100K+ miles to not burn any oil at all.

Comment by Spook
2010-09-07 06:35:11

Thats what they told me in Veitnam.

(((shakin my head)))

My point is; the days when a broke young man could buy an old clunker (or be given one), throw a ladder in the back and drive around looking for work are over. No more $500.00 wavers for not passing emissions.

My first car cost me $500.00

You may now convert to Islam, or something else…

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Comment by polly
2010-09-07 06:54:05

My car is worth no more than about $1500 and that would be on the high end. It has absolutely no problem passing emission inspections in Maryland, though I did replace the gas cap three years ago when the seal came back as marginal. Inflation calculator says that if you translate that $1500 (in 2009) to 1972 dollars you get $285.19.

Darn those facts….

 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-09-07 07:44:38

My friends buy cars for $1500 to $2000 all the time. Then they fix the small issues. The tools are there to access the car computers. One has a replacement fuel injection computer that he built from kit, open source, called MegaSquirt.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 08:30:59

“My first car cost me $500.00″

And mine wasa 1970 Firebird, purchased in 1976 for $1200.

It had 70,000 miles and EVERYTHING was falling apart. Wheel bearings went bad, it had transmission problems, the exhaust system was shot, one of the hood hinges even broke once.

We now have a 2005 Saturn VUE (60K miles) and a 2006 Buick Lacrosse (50K miles). Both run like they are still brand new.

“You may now convert to Islam, or something else…”

You are one weird dude.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 08:59:43

Sppok:

they call it a hooptie car…..ya know ghetto slang

he days when a broke young man could buy an old clunker

 
Comment by Chris M
2010-09-07 13:44:08

My buddy just bought a ‘97 Expedition. I has 406K miles, and he paid $900. That 4.6L V8 is a pretty decent engine.

 
 
Comment by MissedApproachMN
2010-09-07 12:40:50

Agreed with Colorado- Case in Point… Frau Silvia, my 2001 Audi A6 Avant- now with 256,388 miles. Bought in November of 2002 with 20,536 miles. Has she been expensive to keep? Well, that depends. She’s German, so yes. (example- $800 timing Belts every 90K) Still, I didn’t do full Pads & Rotors until 175K, and it seems that after the 190K mark, the frequency of maintenance went down. I will buy another A6 Avant after she hits 300K, which should happen in 2011. Also, she is now burning approximately 4-5 oz. of Mobil One every 5K miles.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 04:28:23

“The average price for a used car in the U.S. has jumped 10.3 percent in the past year…”

I’m making a wild-arsed guess they forgot to control for the one-time effect of the cash-for-clunkers program in coming up with this ‘average price’ estimate.

Comment by Bad Andy
2010-09-07 06:01:41

Cash for clunkers pulled perfectly good supply off the road…especially SUV’s and mini-vans. Believe it or not, there are many who have a need for these types of vehicles.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 07:40:39

Believe it or not, there are many who have a need for these types of vehicles.

Such as a very dear friend who was a general contractor here in Tucson. When it came to getting in and out of construction sites with sketchy roads, his SUV was a godsend.

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Comment by SaladSD
2010-09-07 13:57:15

I’d be thrilled to see an actual “working” SUV. Their exclusion from the pollution/exhaust criteria that passenger cars abide by was based on SUVs being trucks, ie used by farmers and contractors. ‘Round here, it’s typically a lone driver ASSUV, hauling neither passengers or payload.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 14:28:10

Same here. There are more large trucks used as commuters than used as “work” trucks.

 
Comment by elvismcduf
2010-09-07 15:46:27

I now have to get rid of my 2002 camry with 110K, because the cd player broke…dammit!

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-09-07 09:31:30

“Believe it or not, there are many who have a need for these types of vehicles.”

OK, I won’t believe it. My eyes tell me a different story.

PS: Mini-vans are a signal to the world that you’ve given up. Might as well wear velcro sneakers and elastic waist-band pants. Better yet, tan Rockports and “mom” jeans.

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Comment by CrackerJim
2010-09-07 10:59:02

Right. After all, in the USA image is EVERYTHING!

 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-09-07 13:53:47

Well-played, sir! But spoken like a minivan owner…

I suppose that fashion advice coming from someone whose mode of transportation is a bicycle is a bit silly. I do, however, believe that biking shorts are NOT for everyone.

I just remember how painful it was to watch/listen to my brother showing me the “cool” features on his new ($400/mo) minivan. So sad… The coolest minivan is still like the coolest guy you know who’s into Sci-Fi. Not so cool.

MrBubble

PS: I am a Sci-Fi fan. And not so cool, of course.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 14:14:43

I do, however, believe that biking shorts are NOT for everyone.

I agree.

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-09-07 14:34:26

Read John Scalzi, he’s fairly new and at the
top.

 
 
Comment by Chris M
2010-09-07 10:07:42

Lucky I snagged a used minivan for my wife in Nov. ‘08. It had 27K miles, and cost me $14k, about 1/2 of what it was new. We’ll drive it to at least 127K, and get that cost/mile down.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 14:57:30

Let’s not forget that they are selling 5-6 million fewer new cars every year. That’s 5-6 million fewer trade-ins to resell as used cars. So supply of used cars is down while demand is up.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 04:43:36

“The main reason, company officials said, is a continuing lack of consumer confidence in a fledgling economy.”

Wouldn’t a lack of consumer demand reduce demand, resulting in lower car prices? I guess in their world, the substitution effect must dominate the income effect, and stimulus has no effect whatever…

Comment by northeastener
2010-09-07 08:08:54

Not necessarily. What the article is saying is
that the perception of new car prices being too high
And a general lack of confidence in the economy is driving
People who have to buy a car towards pre-owned. Example,
new Escalade costs around 60k. A 2-3 yo Escalade costs about
40k. New caravan, 30k. 2 yo caravan 20k… The masses don’t
want the debt of a new car, but increased demand for used
is driving used prices higher.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 08:21:34

“What the article is saying is that the perception of new car prices being too high And a general lack of confidence in the economy is driving People who have to buy a car towards pre-owned.”

And what I was saying is that they must be assuming the substitution effect (substituting used cars for new cars) must be dominating the income effect (buying more cars of all types because consumers “feel” wealthier) in demand, by their analysis. Also saying that I am guessing they ignored the one-time stimulus income boosting effect of cash-for-clunkers.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-07 12:19:36

“Perception” my Azz…..a run of the mill midsize car is $30K plus now.

I was priced out of the “new car” market around 2002.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 14:32:12

Yet avg wages for J6P are lower than 1980s levels.

But hey! The CITI Plutonomy Report from 2006 says we don’t need consumers with good paying jobs!

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 08:46:00

“Wouldn’t a lack of consumer demand reduce demand, resulting in lower car prices?”

I think the carmakers (foreign and domestic) have finally understood that you can’t sell cars at a loss and “make it up in volume”. Even mighty Toyota and Honda are sitting on their hands and swallowing collapsing sales levels rather than discount.There are even rumors that Hyundai might kill its bargain basement Kia brand as it tries to move upscale.

I think they will let the market shrink to keep prices up. This of course will be a golden opportunity for Chinese brands to get a foot hold in the US market.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 10:44:36

Meanwhile, business is booming at the nation’s bicycle shops.

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Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-09-07 15:59:55

So are trips to the emergency room, as bicyclers pretend they can do whatever they want on roadways - including interstates.

Amazing number of jerks on bicycles. They’re the new Harleys for the middle-aged.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 16:44:01

So are trips to the emergency room, as bicyclers pretend they can do whatever they want on roadways - including interstates.

If you practice vehicular cycling, which means that, as a bicyclist, you act like the driver of a vehicle, you’ll be pretty safe out there. Including on the Interstate.

And, yes, Yours Truly has ridden many a mile on the shoulders of Interstate highways. (You haven’t lived unless you’ve done the downhill off Glorieta Pass on I-25 east of Santa Fe, NM.)

 
Comment by rms
2010-09-07 19:59:23

“You haven’t lived unless you’ve done the downhill off Glorieta Pass on I-25 east of Santa Fe, NM.”

I imagine that would be on a loaded touring bicycle too?

 
 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 05:13:41

“Used car prices skyrocketing.”

An automoble: The best investment one can ever make.

Owning a car means you’ll never be without a place to sleep.

Comment by Rancher
2010-09-07 05:34:46

Don’t try that in a Porsche.

Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 08:11:51

“Don’t try that in a Porsche.”

One of my old g/f’s still laughs about us and the bump on the fold-down back seat in my old 1966 Mustang Fastback.

Of course, we we doing everything but sleeping.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-07 07:15:18

Modern “Obamavilles” will resemble living junk-yards?

Comment by Chris M
2010-09-07 09:44:17

This guy has been living in his driveway since his house was foreclosed in May:

http://triblocal.com/Schaumburg/detail/215552.html

Hope he finds some help before winter!

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-07 05:36:17

Car price increases have moved beyond inflation for years. The only way the average Joe kept up was through creative financing, leasing with a payment equal to what previously helped him pay off his purchase, or if he was lucky enough, had a vehicle supplied by his/her employer. Many were simply rolling over huge balances on their old car into their new one setting them up for the same situation in a more extreme version on the next payment plan. It appears that jig is up.

Our cars are paid off. One is relatively new, and the other is a fun vehicle meant to tinker with. I love not paying a bank. We bought quality vehicles that still look in good shape. It doesn’t surprise me more and more people are moving in this direction moving asking prices up in the process.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 06:05:39

Now that J6P has to make the real monthly payment and can no longer lease the 40K SUV for $399 a month or buy it with HELOC money he is suffering from sticker shock. $800 a month for the Tahoe/Armada/Expedition/Sequoia? Not only can he not afford it, he can’t get the financing.

So its off to the used car lot. And with new sales down 40%+ from the previous highs there are fewer trade ins to resell.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-07 12:24:56

Mentioned all this a week or so ago, after talking with a used car guy I just bought a truck from.

He said they can’t get cars with 70-80K miles on them anymore. The new car shops are keeping them. He’s paying the same money for cars with 120-130K miles now as he was for cars with 70K two years ago.

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Comment by exeter
2010-09-07 06:11:49

Carrie hit a bullseye.

Just for shits and giggles, Last week I stopped at the GMC window lickers to check on the window stickers. 2010 GMC 3/4 crew with duramax? $58k. More deluded, detached from reality fantasy. I’ll be buried in my 06 duramax before I’ll ever part with that kind of dough for a damn pickup.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-09-07 08:03:12

Saw the same with the new Ford pickup. Except it was only….$48k. I about hit the floor when I saw the price.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 08:51:34

Price points have definitely jumped. At those insane new prices you could have to replace a tranny or an engine and it would still be WAY cheaper than getting a new car.

I like to get my car detailed once every three years. It really makes feel like it’s almost new.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 09:03:39

sleepless:

only a moron pays that price….i’ll bet 90% are written off as a business deduction.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 10:33:10

“only a moron pays that price….i’ll bet 90% are written off as a business deduction.”

Yey most people I see behind the wheel of a pickup are not contractors, but just drive them to work. You need a business for a write off.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-09-07 10:58:48

I have to wonder how many of those people were south of the border crowd who bought the trucks with little down. And just drove it out of the country before the repo man came a-knockin’.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 14:36:05

You need a business for a write off.

That doesn’t speak well of someone’s business sense.

 
 
Comment by WantsOut
2010-09-07 11:14:59

Daughter totaled her SUV. She’s ok. Decide to give her my wife’s and get wife new. 34K sticker with $8500 incentive off, 12K more down. Finance circa18K for 4 years. circa $400 month.

Ask finance guy “gee 20K off sticker and still $400 a month what’s the average joe do that pays sticker etc? He says he’s seen payments as high as $1200 per month”. Ouch.

Disclaimer … first car payment in 8 years.

Best to all.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 12:11:39

Just paid the rent $1250 for 2 bedroom…its cheap…landlord paid his house off 20 years ago.

He says he’s seen payments as high as $1200 per month

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 15:09:43

What brand was that? I ask because I just took a looksie at the Chevrolet website and their best rebate on an SUV is $3000. Same thing at the Ford website.

 
Comment by WantsOut
2010-09-08 08:45:24

Sorry for late response. Work keeps interfering with personal.

Although youmay hear otherwise we have very good luck with Jeep Grand Cherokee. This was actually a Commander which they are discontinuing and was year end.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-07 12:36:02

Check out a GMC Suburban Hybrid, if you dare. $70K plus.

Enough to gag a maggot.

Thanks in part to your local friendly Feds at NHTSA and the EPA.

Cars are significantly heavier (with a corresponding drop in gas mileage) thanks to the 1000 pounds or so of extra structural reinforcement and 23 airbags needed to keep alive drunks that drive into bridge abutments. (Compare say, the curb weight of a 1995 Honda Civic vs. the current one).

At the same time, EPA mandates a 200% increase in cost of emissions controls, to clean up that last 2% of emissions.

Because cost-benefit analysis don’t apply when it comes to safety and emissions, and everybody should be happy to spend another five thousand bucks, “even if it only saves one life…..”

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 14:44:58

No, it’s the mfg and dealer markup. It cost far less to make an SUV or PU than it does a passenger car. They have less stringent emission and safety regs.

Then there is the tax write off for heavy personal vehicles which the dealers use to mark up the price so they can negotiate down because most people are morons when it comes to tax write offs and will usually pay more thinking they are getting one over with the tax write off.

Or their small business corp will pay for it so they some don’t even bother to negotiate.

And building cars for almost 100 years, I have NO SYMPATHY for a mfg who can’t figure out how make their product better and cheaper.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2010-09-07 14:47:05

…cost-benefit analysis don’t apply when it comes to safety and emissions…

Actually, that brings up a funny topic that some here may have heard about. The government actually does sometimes assign a value to a human life. Years ago, I heard that the Department of Transportation used a value of $140,000 when it was calcuating doing cost-benefit analyses. An economist told me that other government agencies use other values.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-07 15:34:14

This is the same government that says unemployment is a little above 9%.

Of course, when the civilian market does the same thing, you’d think that they were beating gay baby harp seals, from all the “How dare they put a price tag on human life” whining…..

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 17:11:38

My little 1959 Austin - Healey bugeye Sprite, with mighty 1275 cc engine (upgraded from the stock 948 cc engine), delivered up to 46 mpg observed on road trips. Although its technology was “British primitive”, it achieved these Honda Civic mpg numbers due in part to its 1400 lb weight. However the Sprite’s crashworthiness is somewhere between horible and suicidal. Note that the patent date on the SU carb is 1905!

An SUV is basically a pickup with some more bodywork added. But it’s shocking how much weight that bodywork adds. My F-150 Supercab weighs about 4,2000 lbs where the equivalent Explorer weighs in at well over 5,000 lbs. Hence the large mileage drop over the truck.

A Suburban Hybrid (do they actually make such a thing?) is insane. You add say 800 lbs of batteries to a huge SUV. For that price why not get a regular one AND a Honda Civic? Drive whichever one is appropriate for the trip.

 
 
 
Comment by lint
2010-09-07 06:46:02

Oh but you are paying the bank!

If you use FRN’s then you are in debt.

Spend em if you got em.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-09-07 07:16:45

When I bought my Corolla, they immediately tried to set me up for a 60-month loan as a default. I had to convince the saleslady and finance to give me a 36-month loan. And I love how they do loans in “months,” just to throw off J6P a little, because he has to divide by 12.

I got my 36-month loan and they STILL tried to tack $700 gap insurance on top, without telling me. Thank goodness I did my car dealer homework, or I would never have recognized the “gap ins” heiroglyphic on the computer screen. I asked why I needed gap insurance, and the finance guy went into the schpiel about “if you total the car, sometimes insurance doesn’t pay the full amount, you might be underwater …yada yada.” I said “I just put half down on this car! I will never be underwater, and even if I am, the gap insurance will cost more than any gap! Take that off!” He looked at me in surprise, as if he had expected me to act like that Teenage Barbie who whines “Math is hard.” But he did take it off.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 08:18:46

“Many were simply rolling over huge balances on their old car into their new one setting them up for the same situation in a more extreme version on the next payment plan. It appears that jig is up.”

Sheesh…if your not “In the Bucket” with your car loans, you are totally…un-American !!

:(

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-09-07 08:19:39

I would like to lease a BMW M3, however I still enjoy those cute little Asians.

…I also like Asian cars.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-07 10:24:03

My heart actually aches for this baby. I once rode in one when I was a homecoming queen candidate in the college homecoming parade. (Not sure how that happened.) I’ve been dreaming of that car ever since. LOL I suppose there could be some outlandish way to make it happen but…

I guess other dreams have been getting fulfilled in the meantime. I’m pretty comfortable with the choices.

http://autos.yahoo.com/2011_mercedes_benz_sl_class/

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Comment by rms
2010-09-07 10:57:58

“Car price increases have moved beyond inflation for years.”

+1 Balloon payment loans were very popular back in the eighties when I was doing repo’s. The interest rates were all north of 12%, and the typical loan period had increased from three to five years.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-09-07 05:53:50

“Many people are at the point where they think new cars might be too expensive and they’re turning to used cars.”

So… this should be accompanied by a report of how new car prices are plummeting now - right?

Comment by Lip
2010-09-07 06:17:40

Ex, nice truck, now I have PU envy

Comment by exeter
2010-09-07 08:13:59

Thanks Lip.

I love it. Love the body style and there is nothing out there that can haul 10 tons of _____ like a LBZ equipped duramax.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-09-07 10:25:03

I sold my 2005 GMC Sierra this year after having it 5 years. While it wasn’t a Duramax, it shared most of the same components. I bought it new, but it was overpriced junk, IMO. Body panels are extremely thin and weak. The roof buckled in the wind on the freeway, and the bed of the truck dented if you even looked at it cross eyed. The front ends are garbage. If you do any 4 wheeling, plan on rebuilding it. Mine went out at ~40k miles and I hadn’t even been hard on it- just snowy and muddy roads. Luckily it was under warranty. This isn’t to say Ford and Dodge are better (Cummins blows away Duramax and Powerchoke, IMO), but I don’t see these new trucks as the cats meow. I opted for a 90’s Dodge Cummins with a little more than 100k on the clock for 1/8 the price of a new truck.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-07 11:25:43

That’s a half ton truck for you. They’re nothing more than a minivan with a box on the back. Cummins makes a great oil burner but the rest of the truck is junk. They plain can’t keep a transmission in them robust enough to keep up with the Cummins torque. I gave up on Chrysler years ago anyways. Diesel junkies are pitching the powerjokes and stuffing Ford trucks with the Cummins. Ford is finally developing their own diesel and dumping International(as they should have long ago given the constant problems with the powerjoke.)

Figure this out if you could….

How is it that you can get 400k+ miles out of a International Powerjoke equipped school bus with out even a burp but you can’t make it across town in a powerjoke equipped Ford???? I really don’t get that.

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-09-07 14:40:34

Sold my 02 1-ton duelly, 4X4 crew cab duramax diesel last month. Bought it new and
with 70k on it and using it an average once
a month, decided to get rid of a depreciating
asset. Paid 39k new.

If it moves, you lose.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-07 15:38:20

“…..makes a great oil burner, but the rest of the truck is junk…”

Which is what I keep telling everyone. 100K powertrain warranties don’t mean chit. It’s all the electrical stuff that starts crapping out at 120K, or thereabouts, that will kill you. That, or the tranny.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-07 16:56:01

“If it moves, you lose.”

Bingo. An automobile buyer buys usable miles, not a vehicle.

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2010-09-07 06:41:19

I saw an ad in a local paper for a new 2010 Corolla for $13K. Now they admitted they only had 3 at that price, but still.

Now here is a guess. The used cars that are up by 10%? They are the one that have less than 35K miles on them. If you are willing to take one that already has 50K or even 60K miles on it (say if you are using your car closer to 100 miles a week than 300 miles a week) so it will still take 8 to 10 years to get to 100K miles, I bet there are still some pretty good deals out there.

Comment by DinOR
2010-09-07 08:13:35

polly,

That’s fairly my take on it as well. Used car prices were artificially supressed by the fact that credit had all but dried up.

This has been a great window for the lots to move their inventory at premium prices ( for awhile ) I predict in the next few weeks as the new models come out and incentives abound ( yes they will ) used car prices will again plummet.

At this point, between a Military discount and my wife’s discount thru her employer, we might as well buy a modest car new? A lot of people will do the very same math. Unfortunately right now patience is in order.

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Comment by packman
2010-09-07 08:28:52

Used car prices were artificially supressed by the fact that credit had all but dried up.

Wouldn’t the opposite be true? Credit drying up should - like with housing - push people towards buying lower-priced versions, i.e. used cars. Seems to me that’s what’s driving the used-car market right now.

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-09-07 13:04:03

packman,

Typically, yes! But the lots were so full of repos ( and tones of “drop off’s” they just couldn’t keep pace. Some of my friends tell me they were running out of places to PARK them!

Well now, several years IN to this thing, just about anyone that ‘normally’ would just go get a a new leased vehicle isn’t even considering that!

I’m surprised at how violent things have swung but when Down-Leg Part II gets underway, I’m confident there’ll be a second wave of abandoned cars to pick from. Just look at how much of that stuff being advertised is only about 2 or 3 yrs. old?

 
 
 
Comment by northeastener
2010-09-07 08:22:09

Relatively speaking. Incentives on new cars is high right now, whether
It is cash rebates, low interest rates, or low lease rates. Also,
Manufacturers are increasing production of cheaper vehicles and designs.

We just bought a loaded ‘11 honda pilot touring. Only 2 to choose from
On the lot. Had we wanted a base model, 10 to choose from. And they
Were giving huge discounts on ’10’s that were still on the lot.

Comment by polly
2010-09-07 09:08:46

Actually the news reports on the weekend were that incentives are very low right now. Remember, giving you 0% interest on a loan is not such a big deal if they can securitize the loan for 4% average return or even less.

The low incentive reports are probably a comparison to recent years when sales plummeted so the incentives were higher, so I don’t imagine that current incentives are all that bad, but we are still dealing with credit bubble pricing.

What I don’t see among the car makers is the kind of self control that the airlines currently have to pull back supply so much that they can really charge a premium.

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Comment by pismoclam
2010-09-07 13:19:09

Supply and Demand ! Cash for clunkers took off a lot of good used cars off the market. Obamanation fails again.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 03:52:40

Unemployment in U.S. May Rise Toward 10% on `Feeble’ Growth

Unemployment, which reached a 26-year high of 10.1 percent in October, will average more than 9 percent through 2011. Photographer: Jonathan Alcorn/Bloomberg

The jobless rate in the U.S. is likely to approach 10 percent in coming months as the economy fails to grow quickly enough to employ people rejoining the labor force, according to economists at BofA Merrill Lynch Global Research and Morgan Stanley.

Private payrolls climbed 67,000 in August, after a gain of 107,000 the previous month, and the unemployment rate rose to 9.6 percent, Labor Department figures showed Sept. 3. The economy expanded at a 1.6 percent annual rate in the second quarter, down from 3.7 percent in January through March.

Employers including government agencies have added 723,000 workers to payrolls so far in 2010, showing it’ll take years to recoup the 8.4 million jobs lost during the recession, the biggest employment slump in the post-World War II era. Still, the August employment report eased concerns the economy will falter and may postpone action by Federal Reserve policy makers aimed at bolstering the recovery.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-09-07 04:53:47

There was just a quick blurb on the news this morning that 71% of employers polled have no hiring plans for 4Q 2010.

Summer’s over, looks like it’s time to hunker down for another long winter. The grasshoppers may find it’s much too late to make preparations now.

Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 05:15:48

Look for the grasshoppers to storm the ant hills.

Comment by packman
2010-09-07 05:56:33

A Bug’s Life II: Revenge of the Bankers

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Comment by ACH
2010-09-07 05:00:54

The US and its Citizens will not see employment growth until we have wide-scale debt destruction and significant re-investment in our infrastructure and economy. It’s just a fact: you can’t have employment unless you have jobs. Jobs have a simple requirement: required tasks.

I was looking at two blogs this morning. I won’t name the authors but one of them is Mish and the other is Robert Reich. (Google “sarcastic irony” or perhaps “ironic sarcasm”).

Oopsies.

Anyway, these blogs are declaring that is mess will end when we either destroy the public sector unions or soak the rich in taxes. The idea that government will become some magically competent institution that can leap tall buildings in a single bound if we just remove its union shackles is ludicrous. (Hey! I just found the lost Ayn Rand novel.) Our government performance is supposed to be messy. We ARE a republic. Our government will not become what it should be until we are able to break the thrall that these huge financial interests have over our Congress.

I have no qualms about the rich. If they are truly making money doing tasks that have an economic benefit, then we should applaud them and their money. I’m convinced that what is actually happening is the rich are plowing money into commodities, the Fed borrowing play money and lending to the USGov’t @ 3%, etc.

Ok, I’ve gone on and on as usual. I want to close with this: We as a nation are at our best when we can remake ourselves. The Land of Opportunity as I remember. The US Gov’t/Fed Resrv/Other Foreign Banks have made great efforts to keep the status quo and “prop up the market”.

What is the word that I have not heard on the aforementioned blogs: Oligarchy.

Roidy

FYI, I’m in the public sector as a university level professor. I may loose my job due to budget cuts. I am non-unionized.

Comment by In Montana
2010-09-07 06:08:05

You may “loose” your job - ?” On whom?

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-07 08:12:56

Give him a break, he’s just a university professor.

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Comment by packman
2010-09-07 08:30:02

Ouch.

 
 
Comment by ACH
2010-09-07 08:38:01

Hey, it was at 5:00 AM. What do you want? Besides, I’m in physics and not engrish.

Roidy

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 09:18:57

Physics mistakes are generally more serious than english mistakes.

There was no containment building when Fermi built the first reactor. When asked what would happen if his calculations were off and the pile went into a runaway state, he said he would just walk away - slowly. :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-09-07 06:14:27

The idea that government will become some magically competent institution that can leap tall buildings in a single bound if we just remove its union shackles is ludicrous.

Pay, benefits and pension make up 75%+ of spending of any local/state government. Where else should we look?

Government was not instituted to provide gold-plated pay, benefits and pensions to those that work for the government. It was instituted to serve the people. We seemed to have lost that perception.

Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 06:37:21

“It was instituted to serve the people.”

That’s next.

To serve man. (Think Soylent Green.)

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Comment by rms
2010-09-07 06:54:07
 
Comment by robin
2010-09-07 23:51:38

To serve Man : toasty, cripy, or spicy? Mmmmmmm……..

 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-07 08:11:20

“government was not instituted to provide gold-plated pay, benefits and pensions to those that work for the government.”

Just because YOU don’t have what they EARN, doesn’t mean it’s gold plated.

Talk about class warfare.

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Comment by ACH
2010-09-07 08:43:24

“Pay, benefits and pension make up 75%+ of spending of any local/state government. Where else should we look?”

Oh yes, no doubt. It is idiotic to think that this is what our issue is with government. That is what I am saying along with the oligarchy thingy.

I voted for Obama, and had some hope that we would begin to break up this oligarchy. TBTF is a symptom and not the disease itself.

Roidy

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 14:53:52

You do know that there are more federal contractor employees than actual federal government employees, right?

You know, contractors that work for a… profit?

No way that could affect the cost of government, right? :roll:

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Comment by rms
2010-09-07 20:08:28

“You know, contractors that work for a… profit?”

They bring home the bacon, [read] Davis-Bacon.

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-07 08:15:52

I agree with what you said, except you leave out how such a change might occur. Grampa always said that people can be expected to change about 10% with gentle incentive. More than that requires some pain.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 08:38:10

“FYI, I’m in the public sector as a university level professor. I may loose my job due to budget cuts. I am non-unionized.”

ACH…Never fear, fix me up with a spare Phd diploma that you guys have laying around and you’ll get a case of Jack Daniels and $100 in the mail within 3 days.

:)

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 09:19:13

Mikey:

Welcome to the new America…where at least 1/3 of you are not needed…because the next few years we will realize how utterly wasteful 4 years of an EXPENSIVE college is to most people

But i see many jr colleges tech schools maybe an 11 month school year…major changes in demanding students be fluent in English…no more ghetto stuff or remedial classes to get into college.

You know all the BS about having “higher standards”……it just might finally come to pass. Then you would be very employable again.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 15:04:41

I doubt it. The last thing any middle manager wants is someone more competent than they are.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 09:24:01

oops meant this for ACH

PS how about eliminating any remedial classes at your university…i know here they spend a lot of money on it..

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FYI, I’m in the public sector as a university level professor. I may loose my job due to budget cuts. I am non-unionized.

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Comment by ACH
2010-09-07 10:45:55

Oh yes, remedials are becoming a thing of the past here. Those will surely go to the local community college. No problem. I’m told that my school will be evaluated on performance to 25% of total funding. Tenure is changing, also. I’m certainly not opposed to tenure being different in the future as long as it doesn’t become attached to a political theme. Like tenure coupled to teaching Intelligent Design is a worry for me. We already have “public comment” on science texts at the K-12 level. I’m sure that many of these comments would center around a certain biological theory of life and, in my bailiwick, the universe being 6000 years old instead of 13.5 billion. Of course, the Sumerians invented glue 7500 years ago, but I digress.

Roidy

P.S. I went to a 2 year, state sponsored electronics school in the 1970s. It was a great school that got me a good job with a future. I’m proud of my doctorate and the work that I have done, but what really changed my life is the 1st Class FCC license with a Ship Radar endorsement that I earned in the summer of 1978. That was my real “degree.”

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-09-07 10:52:22

I’m certainly not opposed to tenure being different in the future as long as it doesn’t become attached to a political theme.

And tenure today is not connected to towing the socialist/progressive party line?

 
Comment by oxide
2010-09-07 11:07:43

Tenure depends on how much grant money you bring in. Generally, chemicals and machines don’t choose a party, and you can’t bribe them or browbeat them with your CV (I know, I’ve had bosses that have tried). So for sci/eng your argument is crap.

Social sciences? Beats me… probably depends on the school. Socialism probabaly won’t help you at Liberty U.

 
Comment by ACH
2010-09-07 11:09:55

“And tenure today is not connected to towing the socialist/progressive party line?”

Hmm, not in my school. Yes, we have liberals. Yes, we have conservatives. Yes we have Tea Partiers.
Me? I’m a moderate. No one likes me.

Roidy

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 11:16:30

Tenure depends on how much grant money you bring in.

Ain’t that the truth!

One of my clients is assembling his tenure package. And his grant funding counts for quite a bit.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 12:18:09

Damn….We really have lots in common on this board I got my 1st class which allowed me to work in radio tv stations. all master control guys had to have them, you know transmitter meter readings.

RoidyP.S. I went to a 2 year, state sponsored electronics school in the 1970s. It was a great school that got me a good job with a future. I’m proud of my doctorate and the work that I have done, but what really changed my life is the 1st Class FCC license with a Ship Radar endorsement that I earned in the summer of 1978. That was my real “degree.”

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 13:38:40

all master control guys had to have them, you know transmitter meter readings.

Woo for the master control guys!

We have ‘em down at KXCI. In general, they’re older fellas who seldom say more than a couple of words. But, boy, can they work miracles when miracles are needed.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 14:22:06

oh boy i was just 20 and had to impress a 62 year old i could be at the station at 515am everyday to sign on the transmitter

in general, they’re older fellas …

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 03:54:20

Senior Lenders Moving to Foreclose on NYC’s Stuyvesant Town

The battle over Manhattan’s giant Peter Cooper Village and Stuyvesant Town apartment complex intensified as the banks overseeing the $3 billion first-mortgage debt on the property moved to foreclose.

The banks, including Bank of America Corp. and U.S. Bancorp, have set a public auction for the 56-building complex for Oct. 4. The move comes after the banks sued in New York State Supreme Court last month to block a group led by activist investor William Ackman from foreclosing on the property.

Mr. Ackman’s firm, Pershing Square Capital Management, made a move for control of the complex earlier last month by teaming up with Winthrop Realty Trust. Together they snapped up $300 million of the complex’s junior debt and launched a foreclosure proceeding.

Justice Richard B. Lowe III said he would make a decision before Sept. 30.

Comment by palmetto
2010-09-07 06:26:26

The whole Stuyvesant Town/Peter Cooper Village debacle is one of the saddest bubble stories, IMO. The first four years of my life were spent in Peter Copper Village. Robert Moses convinced Metropolitan Life to build affordable housing for the burgeoning postwar middle class, especially returning war veterans and their families. I still have a few memories of the place. The playground we used to go to had this huge overhead shower that kids could run around under during the summer when it got hot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuyvesant_Town%E2%80%94Peter_Cooper_Village

Comment by palmetto
2010-09-07 07:14:25

Anyone here on the blog from the NY area back in the day? nydj, I think you might be a little familiar with some of this. Young couples and families moved into these apartments. The father or sometimes both of the parents worked in the city for the expanding NY based corporations (which were a lot more humane and stable back in the day). Advertising, broadcasting, fashion, banking, chemicals, even computers, you name it, it was happening.

As they became more prosperous, families moved out of Peter Cooper Village and Stuyvesant Town, to the NY burbs. Westchester, Long Island, New Jersey, etc. and took the commuter train lines into NY for their jobs, while the kids enjoyed the green space and schools and clubs in the burbs.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-07 08:23:56

N. Jersey in the 60s. Dad took the Eire Lackawana line into the city.

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Comment by palmetto
2010-09-07 08:40:43

Ah, the 1960s in suburban NY. Nothing like it. My parents took the NY-New Haven line.

I have a book around here somewhere on the Erie Lackawanna line. Whole townships grew up along those lines.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-07 09:13:01

It was just about perfect. In the following decade, I took the same train in to attend college. Yes, the whole township was pretty much commuters. My generation scattered to the wind, but the growing up was cohesive.

 
 
Comment by nycjoe
2010-09-07 09:06:05

I lived in the city till I was about 8, back in the Lindsay years. Moved out to Bergen County, N.J. to start 3rd grade.

We actually checked out Stuy Town about 6 years ago when our kids were outgrowing our apt. Nicely rehabbed, prices a little too high for us, but you could tell trouble was in the air. Learned they were paying people to narc out longtime tenants about having pets so they could be booted. Bastards deserve to be keel-hauled for what they’ve tried to do.

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Comment by palmetto
2010-09-07 09:50:58

“Bastards deserve to be keel-hauled for what they’ve tried to do.”

Amen, brothah! Cooper Village and Stuy Town provided halfway decent city living for people on middle class incomes. Nothing fancy, but they were pleasant and community oriented. I know MetLife wanted to get out of the landlording business and I can’t say that I blame them, but the development sharks that came in got really nasty and predatory.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 09:36:24

Yup…when we moved to nyc for OJ we looked at PC nice apartments reasonable…but not good for parking of moving dj eqip in at 3 am so we moved to 61st and 1st ave…had 3 garages within 2 block and good on street parking…

Yes this is the biggest fault with rent controlled housing in nyc…

When older tenants move out, there is no incentive to just slap on a coat of paint and increase the rent $50

Instead there is great incentive to buy a Viking $3000 stove and travertine tiles and luxury fixtures for a 6th floor walkup and jack up the rent $500 a month.

These bozos learned the hard way..forcing people out of cheap apartments so you can make cash flow on your vastly overpaid property is not going to fly in nyc.

they paid 5.4 billion i think met life thought 3 bill maybe 4 at the outside max they would get. ….. be best guess were at $3-3.5 bill …they would not have had to default and force people out and rent at much higher “market” rents

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Comment by measton
2010-09-07 10:09:28

I recall the story like this

Met Live sells to Tishman Speyer for 5.4 billion
Tishman Speyer puts almost nothing down.

Blackrock sells the debt.
Almost all of the debt is purchased by GSE’s and Pensions

Tishman Speyer then buys Met Life building for a song and likely get’s a kickback in rent from Met Life. I think they sold another property prior to Met Life building for 2x the amount per square foot that they purchased the Met life building. It wasn’t that far away.

Tishman Speyer makes a bundle on Met Life building and takes very little risk w Sturyvesant town.
Blackrock makes a bundle selling the debt to GSE’s and has no risk.
Met Life sells at the peak for an inflated price.

Who takes the hit
You and me

Comment by palmetto
2010-09-07 10:21:43

And thus, a great community was vultured.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 15:14:13

Gotta love it. While large developers and banks were/are destroying once nice, affordable neighborhoods with teardowns and overpricing, they found a way to blame the Section 8 crowd.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 03:55:53

Fed should not set limit on economy aid: Kohn

(Reuters) - The Federal Reserve should not announce a limit on its actions if it resumes purchases of Treasury securities to stimulate the U.S. economy, the former vice chairman of the central bank said.

Donald Kohn, who retired as vice chairman on September 1, told the New York Times in an interview published Monday the economy was in “a slow slog out of a very deep hole,” and that the Fed should take additional measures if a recovery continued to be slow.

Actions could include purchase of more government securities to keep interest rates low, he said. The Fed has pumped $1.7 trillion into the economy through steps such as purchase of longer-term securities.

“To have a substantial effect, people would have to anticipate substantial purchases,” the newspaper quoted Kohn as saying.

“Does the Federal Reserve need to announce it’s buying $1 trillion? Not necessarily. If the Fed said, ‘We’re buying a smaller amount now but we’ll continue to watch the situation and if it warrants we’ll buy more,’ that sort of would give the public and the markets a sense that somebody was out there, ready to buy if the economic situation weakened further or didn’t improve.”

Comment by packman
2010-09-07 05:58:22

“The Federal Reserve should not announce a limit on its actions if it resumes purchases of Treasury securities to stimulate the U.S. economy”

Good point - why start now?

Comment by chilidoggg
2010-09-07 06:48:13

Yeah, but good luck keeping the shiny yellow precious quiet..

 
 
Comment by Al
2010-09-07 09:08:58

“Fed should not set limit on economy aid: Kohn”

It should be made clear to everyone who uses the US$ that it could be QEd out of existence in a Fed induced hyperinflationary conflagration. No point in making announcements that might confuse people into believing it is a sound currency.

 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2010-09-07 03:59:35

Not one has been charged with crime. David Drumm lives comfortably in a Chatham Massachusetts mansion . Thankfully Obama tracked down and held responsible similar stateside looters…

“Ireland’s Finance Minister Brian Lenihan said the government wasn’t “in a position” to forecast property loan losses faced by the country’s banks on the night it introduced a guarantee of their liabilities two years ago.
“We were very suspicious about the property based lending which had taken place in the banks, but we weren’t in a position to form a judgment on that, that evening,” Lenihan is quoted as saying in an e-mailed transcript of a documentary, ‘Freefall,’ to be broadcast on Dublin-based RTE television tomorrow.
The state injected almost 33 billion euros ($42.5 billion) into banks and building societies, with two-thirds going to nationalized Anglo Irish Bank Corp., since the guarantee was introduced in September 2008. It paid a further 13 billion euros for real-estate loans that were once worth 27.2 billion euros, the agency responsible for the debt said on Aug. 23.
Lenihan said a financial “nuclear winter” could have followed the collapse of U.S. bank Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. two years ago. “Our banks were very dependent on obtaining funding from other countries and once that began to dry up, we knew that would create very serious problems for the Irish banking system,” Lenihan said, according to the transcripts. “

“On 4 April 2010, the Times described the lending practises at Anglo Irish Bank and how these led to the nationalisation of the bank.[14] The article quotes the new CEO, Mike Aynsley: “hubris played a very, very big part.” In may deals, Anglo Irish Bank would lend to wealthy individuals to further their equity participation. According to the CEO of Ireland’s toxic bank, the National Asset Management Agency (NAMA), loan-to-value on deals was as high as 100%. As a result the bank was totally exposed to any decline in value. In many cases, Anglo took personal guarantees as security. However, NAMA attaches no value to these personal guarantees.
“Chairman Sean FitzPatrick, CEO David Drumm, and board member Lars Bradshaw resigned in December 2008, following the revelation of a loan scandal. FitzPatrick and Bradshaw had taken out loans in order to purchase Anglo Irish shares. From 2000–2008, FitzPatrick transferred the loans to another bank prior to year-end audits, thereby causing “Loans to Directors” to be understated. In 2008, the loan to FitzPatrick and Bradshaw amounted to €87 million; the transfer resulted in the accounts showing only about €40 million outstanding to directors, instead of €150 million. The Financial Regulator revealed that he became aware of problems surrounding loans from Anglo Irish Bank to FitzPatrick, following an inspection earlier in 2008. The regulator said, “While it does not appear that anything illegal took place in relation to these loans, the Financial Regulator was of the view that the practices surrounding these loans were not appropriate. As a result, we continued to monitor and investigate this and as part of this process we advised Anglo-Irish Bank to ensure that these loans are reported in the annual accounts for 2008.”[16] The Financial Regulator resigned in January 2009 under pressure to do so.[17] “

 
Comment by Hard Rain
2010-09-07 04:10:25

Reading the HBB yesterday I was struck by this comment: “How do constant pessimists even get out of bed in the morning? “. IMO even the most ardent pessimists on this board are missing the true scope of the trouble that lies ahead.

The U.S and the world at large has experienced an unprecedented theft by the corporatists and monied elite . A simple turn of the business cycle cannot make up for these losses. What continues to amaze me is the Laissez-faire attitude of the masses, it’s as they see it as none of their concern. Unless we hold the true culprits responsible we are encouraging the scapegoating of the innocent, who becomes the modern day Juden?. What does it say about our nations mind set when Glenn Beck draws a crowd, imagine who or what emerges when you multiple the despair…..

Not sure which is the better choice:

“The history of the Weimar German inflation was quite different. During World War I, Germany ran moderate inflation, which accelerated in the last year of war and the first years of peace. By 1921, prices in Germany were already 15 times those of 1914.
But it was over the next two years - 1921 to 1923 - that true “Weimar inflation” occurred. By the time it ended in November 1923, the German mark was worth only one-trillionth of what it had been worth back in 1914. The middle classes lost all their savings, but one rich industrialist, Hugo Stinnes , was able though repeated borrowing in rapidly depleting marks to amass an industrial empire that controlled 20% of Germany’s industry.
The German hyperinflation was finally quelled by Chancellor Gustav Stresemann and Reichsbank director Hjalmar Schacht , who in October 1923 announced the replacement of the paper mark by a “ Rentenmark ” (security mark) worth 1 trillion paper marks and backed by a nominal mortgage over German land assets worth 3.2 billion Rentenmarks.
The mortgage was fictitious, but it created confidence in the Rentenmark and prevented the creation of extra Rentenmarks, so inflation rapidly ceased, while the budget was balanced through so-called “windfall-gains taxes” on debtors whose debts had been extinguished by the previous hyperinflation. Normal business was resumed by Germany, which was able to return to a new gold Reichsmark in July 1924.
You can debate which was worse, the U.S. Great Depression or the Weimar hyperinflation; there are arguments for both sides. The Great Depression lasted much longer, from 1929 until the United States entered World War II in 1941. On the other hand, the Weimar hyperinflation wiped out the entire savings of the German middle class.
The lack of confidence in the economy, and the overall misery that this produced, meant that the German reaction to the Great Depression that arrived six years later was much more extreme than in the United States - leading to the election in 1933 of Adolf Hitler . “

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 08:24:35

“The U.S and the world at large has experienced an unprecedented theft by the corporatists and monied elite.”

Not missing it.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-07 11:49:53

“IMO even the most ardent pessimists on this board are missing the true scope of the trouble that lies ahead.”

Like Medusa, the truth is so ugly if you consider it directly you might turn to stone. LOL We need to refer to the issues indirectly so as not to lose further love for life. Please don’t confuse that clinging to our defensive mirror or gallows humor as anything else. We know the monster is out there.

The truth hits me at the oddest times. Often when I hear music or references to earlier happy times when I was more naieve the hard mask gets a bit of a crack. But I quickly fix it back so what people see is what they want to see. Anything else would end in rejection. No one likes a Debbie Downer.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 08:50:02

“Reading the HBB yesterday I was struck by this comment: “How do constant pessimists even get out of bed in the morning? “.

I have no problem getting out of bed in the morning as I sleep with my loaded 1911 45 cal. under my other pillow.

I guess that I’m an optimist.

:)

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 12:26:11

“Happiness is a Warm Gun”

- The Beatles -

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 13:44:13

Give me a wheelgun. No sense looking for the safety release when you awake in groggy fashion.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 15:17:30

What’s a “safety?” :lol:

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Comment by nycjoe
2010-09-07 09:11:27

“The lack of confidence in the economy (and any of their institutions) and the overall misery this produced in the U.S. led to the election in 2012 of _____ .”

Comment by Itsabouttime
2010-09-07 20:40:42

The American electorate sometimes seems kinda like the turtle on the road, wobbling from one side to the other, thus remaining in maximum vulnerability, always directly in the path of oncoming traffic.

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-09-07 10:17:11

Massive deflation or inflation both could lead to a hitler.

Unemployment or employment that doesn’t provide enough money for food fuel shelter and an education for your kids, are basically the same thing for the starving person.

“”The U.S and the world at large has experienced an unprecedented theft by the corporatists and monied elite . A simple turn of the business cycle cannot make up for these losses. What continues to amaze me is the Laissez-faire attitude of the masses, it’s as they see it as none of their concern”"
BINGO
This will change when the last of the supports are withdrawn. The elite will then try to channel that anger away from them as they always do. They will keep the masses argueing amonst themselves, or fearing terrorists, or China you name it.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 15:21:11

Some of us know, but most don’t. It might have something to do with the very poor worldwide scholastic ranking of this country combined with a streak of superstition that would embarrass a witch doctor.

But you can’t fix stupid.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 04:17:44

The U.S. appears to not be the only country with banking regulatory issues.

Report: Iran Paying Taliban to Kill U.S. Troops
Published September 05, 2010 | Sunday Times

Taliban fighters ride on motorbikes in an undisclosed location in Afghanistan, July 14, 2009. (Reuters)

KABUL — At least five Iranian companies in Afghanistan’s capital are using their offices covertly to finance Taliban militants in provinces near Kabul, according to an investigation by London’s Sunday Times.

Afghan intelligence and Taliban sources have told the newspaper that the firms, set up in the past six months, provide cash for a network of district Taliban treasurers to pay battlefield expenses and bonuses for killing the enemy and destroying their vehicles.

The Iranian companies win contracts to supply materials and logistics to Afghans involved in reconstruction. The money often comes in the form of aid from foreign donors.

Profits are transferred through poorly regulated Afghan banks — including Kabul Bank, which is partly owned by President Hamid Karzai’s brother Mahmood — to Tehran and Dubai.

Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 06:26:11

“Iran Paying Taliban To Kill U.S. Troops”

If I were a leader that wanted to really screw an enemy then I would somehow lure that enemy into commiting to a ground war in Afghanistan.

The U.S. is being played.

Comment by Spook
2010-09-07 06:38:59

Lure?

I thought the war was “stimulus package?”

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-07 09:18:10

The war was just the stimulus before the stimulus. I wonder if anyone has ever calculated the cost-basis per evil-doer aprehended

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Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-09-07 15:39:32

I don’t know about the evildoers, but I think it works out to a billion or so for each person killed in the twin towers.

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-09-07 09:45:01

“I thought the war was “stimulus package?””

Imagine the unemployment if we “bring ‘em home”. Youch.

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Comment by rms
2010-09-07 11:22:30

“Iran Paying Taliban To Kill U.S. Troops”

The U.S. did the same thing in Vietnam, a bounty. The body count included old folks too; anyone was worth a buck.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-07 12:51:00

Yeah, you could have knocked me over with a feather when I saw this. Iran supporting our opponents? I’m stunned.

The US ain’t gonna do squat about it anyway, so why waste the ink on the story? I’ll tell you why. Gotta keep the “War on Terror” going, so the attention is diverted from the “War on the Wall Street Banksters”.

As usual, we end up fighting the wrong enemy.

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Comment by MrBubble
2010-09-07 13:55:06

“we end up fighting the wrong enemy”

Could not agree more.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 15:22:55

It’s GOOD to be the Banksta!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Yensoy
2010-09-07 07:18:45

Totally suspicious story. The Taliban hate iranians as much as they do Americans and anyone else who doesn’t share their petite world view. There has been major violence in Pakistan directed at the Shia minority who are the majority in Iran and this violence can be traced back to the (pak) Taliban. So I find this story of Iran colluding with Taliban preposterous. As though the t needs any more incentive and what does Iran gain anyway?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 07:45:21

One of the things that’s often overlooked in our part of the world is that the Iranians are Persians, not Arabs. And they look upon Arabs as, ahem, lesser-thans. The Arabs have a similar view of Persians.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-09-07 08:04:35

‘often overlooked in our part of the world’

Oh man, you guys are injecting facts into the carefully constructed dualism ( us-vs-them, good-vs-bad ) that passes for foreign policy in the US. Next thing you’ll be mentioning that Kurds aren’t Arabs, that Wahhabi aren’t Shia who aren’t Sunni, or that the various Taliban aren’t the various Al-Qaeda. And don’t even go into the Ba’ath Party, which dictators or groups the CIA was involved with, who drew up the boundaries of the ’states’ on the Arabian peninsula and why, (etc, etc) or you might cloud the moral high-ground.

Seriously, anyone who is interested in some history could check out “A History of the Arab Peoples…written by the British-born Lebanese historian Albert Hourani’

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Arab_Peoples

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 08:55:31

I thought most of the boundaries were roughed out by the Sykes-Picot treaty after WWI. Wild Bill Donovan was still in the Army at that time.

Heck, nobody much laughed at PB’s joke the other day about Wasabi Muslims.

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-09-07 09:58:52

Careful, now, Ben, you might destroy some of various trial balloons being floated to justify a “pre-emptive” strike on Iran.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-07 12:53:08

Are Wasabi Muslims related to Shee-ite Muslims? :)

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 13:40:26

Nobody laughed at my rejoinder either….

Wasabi Muslims are most dangerous after they have mustard their troops.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-09-07 14:32:36

I laughed at both DennisN, I just didn’t comment.

Sykes-Picot was the 1916 secret agreement about the carving-up of the Ottoman Empire. The division was accomplished during the Paris Peace Conference after the war.

IMHO, the best book about it is Paris 1919: Six Months That Changed the World by Margaret MacMillan, an eminent Canadian historian (who is David Lloyd George’s great-granddaughter). Another good book is David Fromkin’s A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East. Good enough book, one of the best titles ever.

And Hourani’s History of the Arab Peoples refered to above is a classic.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 14:56:52

Is she related to Harold MacMillan, the 1960’s PM?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 15:29:10

Another good book is “O Jerusalem.”

Although it’s about the founding of modern Israel, it is very even handed and offers some amazing insight into past regional alliances. A real eye opener.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 15:50:00

My point is that the US is a real piker in terms of meddling in foreign affairs - the Brits and French have centuries of practice at being crooks. Most of our problems in SE asia and the middle east come from our ill-advised policy of helping the French try to regain their hegemony in said places after WWII. We should have simply stopped carrying water for the French and refused to treat with them as being a major power. Putting them up as a 5th permanent member of the Security Council was madness. Ho Chi Minh asked the US to tell the French to bugger off after we drove out the Japanese, and we might have been better off had we taken his advice.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-09-07 15:54:53

No. According to Wikipedia, her mother’s mother was Olwen Elizabeth Lloyd George, David’s daughter. Her mother was Eluned Carey Evans, who married Dr. Robert MacMillan.

Welsh until the Scottish name (/blood) shows up in her parents’ generation, in Canada.

I assume her father was not related even distantly to Harold MacMillan. I’ve heard her on radio a couple times and if she were related to two former prime ministers, surely the interviewers would have brought it up.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-09-07 19:08:32

DennisN, good points regarding postwar foreign policy errors and the former French colonies. IIRC, Ho Chi Minh was a young lad going to school in Europe - and maybe I’m mistaken - but he was even at Versailles.

Needless to say, he was confused about all the Great War talk about fighting for democracy coming from the Americans whilst we were also propping up has been colonial powers. Yes, a chance was wasted.

 
 
 
Comment by butters
2010-09-07 07:50:16

It’s not about ideology or religion. It’s all about money. There are plenty of Talibans who will gladly take money from Iran to kill Americans. I am sure there are some Americans who will gladly take money from Taliban to kill Americans.

 
Comment by measton
2010-09-07 10:21:26

The enemy of my enemy is my friend even if he is my enemy?

Iran views Taliban as a mosquito and the US as a bear. I would not put it past them to finance and arm the Taliban, just as we have muslim extrimists in Afghanastan. We reportedly finance them to attack Iran. Stories over the last month or two of suicide bomb attacks on iranian military. Tit for tat.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 12:29:33

My abysmal ignorance of the financing of military campaigns results in a certain level of indifference regarding that aspect of this story, but I am utterly titillated to read about investors in Dubai villas losing 50 percent of their stake!

Afghanistan fears a ‘liberation bubble’
By James Lamont in New Delhi
Published: September 7 2010 19:12 | Last updated: September 7 2010 19:12

“Too big to fail” is an epithet that has attached itself to some of the world’s struggling banks and the Nato mission in Afghanistan alike.

Until this week, the phrase eluded Afghanistan’s own nascent financial institutions in spite of concerns over the past six months that Kabul Bank, one of the country’s flashiest big lenders, was in trouble.

Afghanistan, flush with donor money for reconstruction, had dodged the banking crisis of the west. The markets in Kabul, the country’s dusty capital – both financial and commercial – have enjoyed abundant liquidity in recent years of a kind that comes with a US-led war effort and international aid flows.

A run on Kabul Bank, founded only six years ago and headed by a returned emigré Afghan, has abruptly checked their momentum. A corruption scandal involving the bank’s top management and imprudent investments in Dubai property triggered an old-fashioned scare.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 12:36:27

The above is an excerpt from a story in today’s Financial Times of London.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-09-07 14:37:21

titillated to read about investors in Dubai villas losing 50 percent

google “Dubai islands sinking” for a 2 February 2010 article with satellite images.

Comment by hip in zilker
2010-09-07 16:01:25

Not real islands, but “The World.”

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Comment by az_lender
2010-09-07 04:18:21

Thanks to everyone for your comments yesterday on my possibly buying the apartment building where I spend much of my summers.
Esp appreciate the suggestion that I change my screen name to az_slumlord, but we know Ben doesn’t like screen name changes.

Last time I bought a real property (SFH), I asked for the most expensive inspector and the cheapest lawyer. Was very satisfied w/ that inspection, so I would use the same outfit again to inspect the apt. building. This is my answer to those who emphasized the importance of a thorough inspection.

The neighbors who are interested in providing partial management services (filling vacancies; field repair requests for the six units) would not say how much of a rent reduction they wanted. They just kept expressing lots of relief at the idea that the bldg might not be bought by a condoizer. They live in the best apt both sizewise and view-wise, and have been paying only 20% more than the cheapest. So when they wouldn’t name a price, I suggested a 30% rent reduction in exchange for their services. Their reaction was unreadable, but I would describe it as acquiescent.

Several of you raised macroeconomic concerns, which I share. The main reason I believe housing prices will fall further is that they are not in reasonable proportion to rents. For this building, where the current owner is asking 100x gross monthly rent-sum, I don’t have THAT concern. However, in my three years of part-time living here, I estimate the vacancy rate has been about 10% for the five residential units (the commercial unit has a long-term lease). I don’t think it’s easy to find “good” tenants, and one of the res units is about to be vacated for reasons unrelated to local economy.

Several of you asked why I would want this headache, and the answer is, I don’t. The landlady has been 99% perfect from my point of view, and also from the point of view of the above-mentioned neighbors. We want things to stay the way they are, but we think the LL’s main motivation to sell is to get out of the work. If another buyer came along and condo-ized the bldg, we’d collectively pay much more and we’d STILL be stuck with The Work.

Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 06:15:22

“Several of you asked why I would want this headache, and the answer is, I don’t.”

So … the next question that needs to be asked of you is …?

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-07 06:50:22

At least have a long talk with someone who owns or has owned similar property before you make a decision. Get them good and drunk first.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-09-07 06:58:31

I highly reccommend taking up a hobby to soak up your extra energy and that money burning a hole in your pocket.

My hobbies have saved me untold dollars and have rescued me from golddiggers, leeches, scam artists, and who know what else.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-07 08:48:24

Your sentiment in this particular property should disqualify you from “investment”. Maybe you could find a way to throw your money away in smaller increments and still get the feeling that you were making the world a better place.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 15:34:20

We want things to stay the way they are, but we think the LL’s main motivation to sell is to get out of the work. If another buyer came along and condo-ized the bldg, we’d collectively pay much more and we’d STILL be stuck with The Work.

This I really understand. I once lost out on living in really sweet neighborhood for the same reason. One of the nicest places I’ve ever lived, yet real low key and non-pretentious.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 04:26:08

Crony capitalism certainly doesn’t end at the U.S. border.

Afghan govt poised to help troubled Kabul Bank, but institution still running on its own

By Deb Riechmann (CP) – 15 hours ago

KABUL — Afghanistan’s largest bank is operating with its own money with no infusion of cash from the government despite a nearly weeklong run on the troubled institution that is being closely monitored by international banking experts, the nation’s top banking official said Monday.

The governor of the Afghan Central Bank, which is standing by to help if Kabul Bank collapses, assured customers that their deposits were safe and would be guaranteed by the government. At the same time, Abdul Qadir Fitrat said that, as a safeguard, the central bank had moved to ban the sale of properties that some of the bank’s shareholders own in the capital.

The central bank said Sherkhan Farnood, former chairman of Kabul Bank, and Khalilullah Ferozi, former chief executive officer, resigned because, under new reforms, only banking professionals can hold the top operating positions at banks. Farnood, a world class poker player who raised money for Karzai’s re-election campaign, and Ferozi each own 28 per cent of the bank’s shares.

Mahmood Karzai said the bank’s former chairman has said that $155 million was invested in two business properties and 18 villas in Dubai.

Karzai said the property was currently valued at about $160 million. “In principle there is no loss, but the loss is in the accumulated interest,” he said.

He said he had been living in one of the villas, but planned to move out this week.

Like many foreigners, the Afghan buyers were enticed by Dubai’s booming real-estate market in the heady years before the global economic downturn. At least some of the homes were bought as the market — once so hot that properties bought on speculation could be resold almost instantly — raced toward its peak.

Prices have since plunged, and many brand-new luxury Dubai properties sit empty. Real estate consultancy Colliers International estimates prices have fallen by nearly half since their high in the second part of 2008.

The Palm Jumeirah, where many of the villas are located, is one of several man-made islands built off Dubai’s Persian Gulf coast.

It is built in the shape of a palm tree, with gated communities of high-end villas —each with a private beach — lining its branches. Development of the island is only partially complete, with a hotel being partly built by Donald Trump among several projects stalled in the economic slump.

If problems at the bank are not resolved, it could have wide-ranging political repercussions. It handles the pay for government workers, soldiers and police in Afghanistan, which is beset by a Taliban insurgency and is awash in drug money and billions in international aid. Kabul Bank’s woes further underscore entrenched problems with cronyism and corruption, with millions of dollars allegedly loaned to relatives and friends of the ruling elite.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-09-07 06:24:13

Great - now US taxpayers will no doubt get stuck bailing out Afghan banks as well as our own TBTF speculators.

Comment by measton
2010-09-07 10:23:59

and what do you want to bet some US diplomat somewhere is getting a massive kickback from this operation. I’d love to be a fly on the wall at banks throughout Dubai etc during the Iraq/Afghanastan wars. I’m betting there are US citizens with massive hidden bank accounts full of kickback money.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 15:35:37

I’ll bet Cheney is the man to ask!

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 04:41:16

Whoever writes The Economist Magazine blog doesn’t seem to understand the notion of market equilibrium very well. Household budgets constrain the equilibrium price of an asset; long-run trend has nothing to do with it, as in the long run, we’re all dead. Perhaps The Economist writers prefer macroeconomics, which to my recollection, has no notion of a budget constraint. But I fail to see the applicability of macro to the problem of a household purchasing a home to live in.

Whoever wrote this also seems ignorant of the alleged top-down coordinated withholding of inventory from the market, which would tend to temporarily prevent the market from reaching equilibrium.

Let the market crash?
Sep 6th 2010, 17:50 by R.A. | WASHINGTON

THE New York Times has a weird piece today on housing market policy. It reads:

The unexpectedly deep plunge in home sales this summer is likely to force the Obama administration to choose between future homeowners and current ones, a predicament officials had been eager to avoid.

Over the last 18 months, the administration has rolled out just about every program it could think of to prop up the ailing housing market, using tax credits, mortgage modification programs, low interest rates, government-backed loans and other assistance intended to keep values up and delinquent borrowers out of foreclosure. The goal was to stabilize the market until a resurgent economy created new households that demanded places to live…

As the economy again sputters and potential buyers flee — July housing sales sank 26 percent from July 2009 — there is a growing sense of exhaustion with government intervention. Some economists and analysts are now urging a dose of shock therapy that would greatly shift the benefits to future homeowners: Let the housing market crash.

When prices are lower, these experts argue, buyers will pour in, creating the elusive stability the government has spent billions upon billions trying to achieve…

The further the market descends, however, the more miserable one group — important both politically and economically — will be: the tens of millions of homeowners who have already seen their home values drop an average of 30 percent.

There are several strange things about this. One is the implication that housing prices nationally need to “crash” to approach equilibrium values. Prices nationally have nearly returned to their long-run trend in terms of price-to-rent and price-to-income ratios. Some segments of some markets may still be overpriced, and I expect prices nationally to edge downward in the months to come, but another plunge seems both unlikely to occur and unlikely to generate a wave of buying—at this point a crash would probably be indicative of a new wave of crisis that wouldn’t be associated with easy credit and willing buyers.

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-09-07 04:58:15

Holy Cow! Are we passing out of the denial phase???

Housing Woes Bring a New Cry: Let the Market Fall
By DAVID STREITFELD
Published: September 5, 2010

Over the last 18 months, the administration has rolled out just about every program it could think of to prop up the ailing housing market, using tax credits, mortgage modification programs, low interest rates, government-backed loans and other assistance intended to keep values up and delinquent borrowers out of foreclosure. The goal was to stabilize the market until a resurgent economy created new households that demanded places to live.

As the economy again sputters and potential buyers flee — July housing sales sank 26 percent from July 2009 — there is a growing sense of exhaustion with government intervention. Some economists and analysts are now urging a dose of shock therapy that would greatly shift the benefits to future homeowners: Let the housing market crash.

When prices are lower, these experts argue, buyers will pour in, creating the elusive stability the government has spent billions upon billions trying to achieve.

Michael L. Moskowitz, president of Equity Now, a direct mortgage lender that operates in New York and seven other states, also advocates letting the market fall. “Prices are still artificially high,” he said. “The government is discriminating against the renters who are able to buy at $200,000 but can’t at $250,000.”

The government is on the hook for many of these mortgages, another reason policy makers have been aggressively seeking stability. What helped support the market last year could now cause it to crumble.

Some members of the National Association of Home Builders say a new credit of $25,000 would raise demand but their chances of getting this through Congress are nonexistent.

“Our members are saying that if we can’t get a very large tax credit — one that really brings people off the bench — why use our political capital at all?” said David Crowe, the chief economist for the home builders.

 
Comment by Jess
2010-09-07 05:08:31

My friend Steve and his wife are moving to Atlanta . He”s paying $800, a month for a house close in , one of the old neighborhoods .He told me there are thousands of houses like that for Sale in old Atlanta . The Real estate agents are snapping them up , one agent told him she had bought 60 already , average price under 10K each . But is the gamble going to work ? or are all these houses coming on-line a year or so from now .
Steve”s credit is shot , he can’t buy now . .

Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 05:24:01

“… one agent told him she had bought 60 already, average price under 10K each.”

“… under 10K each.”

Now all she has to tend to are those pesky carrying costs …

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-07 05:38:04

I wonder if anyone looking for affordable housing ever had a chance at purchasing any of them.

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Comment by Ryan
2010-09-07 05:44:40

…and squatters.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-09-07 06:29:27

Under 10K each in ‘close-in’ Atlanta? A machine gun would be an appropriate housewarming gift.

Comment by lint
2010-09-07 06:56:50

Just South of Atlanta is the crime capital of the Southeast: Macon, Georgia.

Perusing the mid-Georgia government propaganda channel, 13wmaz, one notes that Macon should probably be avoided if one values their life.

Mid Georgia cities are crumbling as is the sense of propriety and decency once well known in the state.

Everyone is complaining about the tripling of property taxes.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-07 07:10:53

I pray I don’t get shot by a stray round as I wait to be seated at Chili’s. A sandbag revetment in the waiting area is a popular suggestion on comment cards.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 10:25:47

Need we ask????????;

As of the official census[1] of 2000, there were 100,005 people, The racial makeup of the city was 62.45% African American, 35.46% White, 0.19% Native American, 0.65% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.46% from other races, and 0.77% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.20% of the population.

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Just South of Atlanta is the crime capital of the Southeast: Macon, Georgia.

 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-09-07 06:55:20

“Real estate agents are snapping them up…” “…one agent told him she had bought 60 already…”

RED. FLAG. BIG. WAVING.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 17:22:03

Scratch a realtor and you will discover a flipper.

I’d be pretty good at scratching them - with the 18″ bayonette on my 1917 Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk. III. :lol:

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Comment by lint
2010-09-07 07:10:00

Bless that realtor’s bag-holding heart!

What would banks do without true believers to buy their 1960’s shacks?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-09-07 07:12:20

Pickin’ up pennies on the railroad tracks they are.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-07 08:55:27

My Dad got $5K for the house in Buffalo in 1960. It could be bought for less than that today.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-07 20:50:55

Whoa!!! Really??? That’s amazing…

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-09-07 07:57:44

“Our members are saying that if we can’t get a very large tax credit — one that really brings people off the bench — why use our political capital at all?” said David Crowe, the chief economist for the home builders.

In other words, if us crybaby bribery types don’t get our way, then we’ll cry wee, wee, wee, all the way home. GMAFB. Deal with it you mamby pamby a-holes.

 
Comment by measton
2010-09-07 10:31:35

At some point when the banks and elite have off loaded all of the bad debt onto the gov and are flush with cash they will want a crash and rising interest rates.

 
 
Comment by cougar91
2010-09-07 05:33:12

If the US is going to end up like Japan, welcome to your future: 2-3 jobs per person to pay the bills.

Young Japanese Seek Second, and Third, Jobs
By GEAROID REIDY
Published: September 6, 2010

OSAKA, Japan — From 9 to 5, Hiroko Yokogawa toils at a small architectural design firm, doing clerical work and managing accounts. But even when her shift is over, her day’s work is nowhere near done.

She might go home and promote products and stores on her blog. Or in another role, as a work-life coach, she might meet a client for a consultation. Ms. Yokogawa, 32, makes about one-third of her income from her side jobs, which take up an average of three hours a day on weekdays and as many as five hours a day on weekends.

“It’s not that I hate my main job, but I want to have a stable income without being completely dependent on the company,” Ms. Yokogawa said. “I initially started doing extra work to have more wiggle room in my income — cash to spend on fashion, going out or for savings. But now I try to do work that will be useful to me in the future.”

For decades, the standard career path in Japan was to graduate from college, join a company and to stay there until retirement — one job for life. But with salaries down more than 12 percent over the last decade amid an uncertain labor market, young, mostly single Japanese are increasingly making ends meet by working second or even third jobs.

Some deliver leaflets or work in convenience stores. Some trade foreign currencies online. Others sell items on Internet auction sites. A survey in January by the Internet market research company Ishare found that almost 17 percent of workers ages 20 to 50 had a side job.

Despite long working hours — the eighth-longest in the world, according to one recent measure, though with overtime often going unreported and unpaid — almost half of the workers questioned last year in a survey by the government-affiliated Japan Institute for Labor Policy and Training expressed interest in side jobs. Nearly 90 percent said the main reason was a desire to have extra spending money.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 06:11:39

If the US is going to end up like Japan, welcome to your future: 2-3 jobs per person to pay the bills.

That future has been here for a while. There is even a name for it: career portfolioing. I first heard this term 10 years from an outplacement counselor. She said that it was the trend of the future. We were all going to be P/T dog groomers, massueses and yoga instructors apparently.

And I know people who do it. I know a young fellow, a recent grad who was to be a school teacher. That has been put on hold. Meanwhile he works multiple part time jobs to get by: At a grocery store, as a handyman and he substitute teaches when offered the chance.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-07 13:05:01

I’m working on two different airplanes, 25 miles apart. (and 70 miles from my current residence).

What happens when they both go AOG at the same time remains to be seen……..

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-09-07 06:37:56

She works three jobs- one of them as a ‘work-life coach’. So she advises others on how they too can work three jobs?

Comment by polly
2010-09-07 07:05:15

Work-life coach = unliscenced therapist without the stigma of having to say you need a therapist.

It is basically paying someone to listen to you complain about your job. If the rate is cheap enough and it keeps you from alienating all your friends and/or your spouse with complaints about work, it might even be worth it.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 07:49:39

I do a bit of hanging out on one of the social networks (LinkedIn), and let me tell ya, that place is crawling with coaches. I never knew that there were so many coaches out there!

But I still don’t see who hires those people. Which leads me to conclude that they spend their days (and nights) on LinkedIn, just in case a client (or potential client) wanders by.

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Comment by butters
2010-09-07 08:03:21

How are the licensed therapist any different?

License = More expensive. Not sure you get a better product.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 08:16:43

“So she advises others on how they too can work three jobs?”

That was the very same thought that ocurred to me regarding the outplacement conselor I mentioned above. She also had multiple jobs, all part time. Being a useless outplacement counselor was one of them. In hind sight I would have preferred a bigger severance check in lieu of the worthless services that were provided by Lee, Hecht and Harrison at the time. Of course I was not provided with that option back then.

Comment by polly
2010-09-07 08:54:37

Really? I liked Lee Hecht Harrison. The counselor wasn’t all that helpful, but she was, at least, cheerful which is nice when you are feeling terrible about being out of work. And the classes and special databases weren’t bad at all. I didn’t get a job offer when I was with them, but I did get several interviews and used some of the techniques on my own later on. And having a place to actually *go* to look for work was helpful, especially since I only had a dial up connection at home at the time. I liked having access to higher quality printers and fax machines too. That was in 2003. Less important now, of course.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 09:03:20

She was also irrepressably cheerful, but clueless.

This was the week after 9/11 and I somehow had managed to get a job offer (on my own, not from their skimpy database), at a serious (15%) pay cut, but it was a real job with benefits.

Her advice: turn it down and keep looking!

I accepted the job and kept looking. 2 long years later I found a better job.

The classes were OK, nothing I didn’t already know. I suppose that for HP lifers who hadn’t put a resume together or interviewed outside of HP in over 20+ years it might have been helpful.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-09-07 08:58:23

Believe me it hasn’t improved in the past few years. Totally useless.

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Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 09:36:06

Sheesh…I never met a girl or woman that wasn’t a “Life Therapist” of some sorts.

Tell them absolutely nothing guys…Nothing !!

;)

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 15:41:34

Right?

 
 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-09-07 06:44:08

“For decades, the standard career path in Japan was to graduate from college, join a company and to stay there until retirement — one job for life.”

Well, that’s still alive and kicking here. How else does one explain the higher ed bubble and the seeming willingness of so many to go hopelessly in debt for a degree?

To keep it alive, however, we added a twist - one job for life with the government. Now just sit back and wait for the tipping point, when it becomes apparent that path is unsustainable.

Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 06:53:55

“Now just sit back and wait for the tipping point, when it becomes apparent that path is unsustainable.”

…an there’s no need to pack a lunch, the wait won’t be all that long.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 08:56:15

“Well, that’s still alive and kicking here.”

The hope maybe. Paul Craig Roberts was quick to chronicle in the past how most college grads ended up working menial jobs.

Of course these days everybody wants to be a nurse, until that bubble also pops.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 15:43:08

The term coined back in the late 1980s was “McJobs.”

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 17:36:15

and today for me it McMusic

cheap, disposable, factory made, and not worth paying for.

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-09-07 06:10:22

Repeat post from late last night:

The question was asked “Is it possible we are coming to the end of the government’s attempts at price supports for the housing market?”.

I think this would indicate a definite no.

Government to Deploy Broader Mortgage Aid

By NICK TIMIRAOS

The Obama administration on Tuesday will launch its most ambitious effort at reducing mortgage balances for homeowners who owe more than their homes are worth.

Officials say between 500,000 and 1.5 million so-called underwater loans could be modified through the program, the first initiative to target homeowners who are current on their mortgage payments but are at risk of default because they have no equity in their homes. Some experts are warning, however, that the same knots that tied up prior initiatives could do so again.

Under the new “short refinance” program, banks and other creditors that write down mortgages to less than the value of the property can essentially hand off the reduced loan to the government. The process involves refinancing borrowers into loans backed by the Federal Housing Administration.

While the program puts taxpayers at risk—officials estimate one in five loans in the program could default—the government has set aside $14 billion previously earmarked for housing aid from the Troubled Asset Relief Program to cover losses.


While it’s not technically a new allocation of money - certainly the money could have been used for other things besides housing.

(pssst… maybe deficit reduction!)

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-09-07 07:50:55

As one of the brainiacs on the HBB said yesterday, we’ll believe it when we see it. Just like the modifications have been far and few between, this might just be hope-ium. According to an REO Newsletter I read, there are:
*12M mortgages in default
5.5M homes somewhere in the foreclosure process.
*900,000 foreclosures in RealtyTrac’s database and only 300,000 are in a MLS nationwide.

This isn’t really going to make a big dent, imho.
We’ll see what the qualifications are. I thought I read that Fannie and Freddie loans were excluded. Anyone know the details?

Comment by packman
2010-09-07 08:32:30

Don’t forget the key word attempts in that sentence above.

No one’s saying the price supports will actually succeed.

Comment by JohnF
2010-09-07 12:09:59

No one’s saying the price supports will actually succeed.

They already have, at least in my neck of the woods (SoCal). Big price drop in the spring of 2009, followed by steadily increasing prices since then. That’s what 5% interest rates and 3.5% down-payment FHA loans will do for you. And the Fed at the all-you-can-eat MBS restaurant last year.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 08:39:28

“Just like the modifications have been far and few between, this might just be hope-ium.”

As you correctly point out there are far too many people in trouble already and its impossible to bail them all out.

I also think that the masses have become cynical. Some might have deluded themselves two years ago into believing that the new administration would bail them out. Instesad what they saw was more of the same: bailing out the rich and powerful.

Still, free cheese is free cheese and a lot of homedebtors will line up to get it, even if it will most likely be gone or they are ineligible for it when they get to the end of the line.

“I thought I read that Fannie and Freddie loans were excluded.”

So much for the “August Surprise”.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-09-07 10:52:06

In Colorado
All good points you bring up. When the modifications were introduced, no one I know suspected your FICO would take a hit for just applying. I wonder what the secrets are to this principle reduction? (What’s that called…oh yeah, lying or misleading by ommision!)

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Comment by polly
2010-09-07 06:15:12

So I was looking for something under the kitchen sink yesterday and noticed some water that had no business being there. I cleared out the cleaning supplies down there, ran the water for a few seconds and looked back under the sink. Sure enough water was flowing down some conduits with a source a little further back. I reported it to the guy on the desk downstairs. The maintenance guy was stuck in traffic (seems I reported my problem right at the change in shifts) but would be with me in about 40 minutes. Less than an hour later, he was under my sink cutting out a section of pipe in the wall that had a hole in it. He replaced the pipe, snaked the pipes (water was draining slowly) and cleaned out some onion skins from the garbage disposal for good measure. Took a good solid 2 hours as the broken pipe was right next to a wall stud and fitting in the new section was a little difficult.

Total cost to me for emergency plumbing visit on a Monday holiday? Zero dollars. Seriously, I tried to pass along a tip, but he got another calll as he was cleaning up the floor and left so quickly I didn’t have a chance to shake hands and give it to him. A carpenter will come to fix the hole in the back of the cabinet later in the week. I have been warned that it might not look quite as perfectly matched as it was before. I assured him that I was not overly bothered by the idea that the back of the cabinet under the sink might not perfectly match the sides of said cabinet. I’m sure that my Lemon Fresh Joy and the extra sponge/scrubbies will survive the aesthetic assault.

Gotta love renting.

Comment by Kim
2010-09-07 09:04:35

Yes… right now I am eyeing piles of cuttings left on this property by our backyard neighbor’s gardeners who trimmed the hedge earlier this morning. I am debating whether to go out and pick them up myself or email my landlord and have him call the neighbor to tell her to ask her gardeners to come back and pick up their mess. Its a nice day and the job won’t take me more than 20 minutes, so I’ll probably take care of it… but it is nice to have choices!

 
Comment by AZtoORtoCOtoOR
2010-09-07 09:07:38

“Total cost to me for emergency plumbing visit on a Monday holiday? Zero dollars.”

The new american dream - that we renters get to live out!! Gotta love it.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 09:58:34

My uncle will be visiting Washington DC tomorrow. He really a very brave man but hates flying.

He is a WWII veteran and he will be on a whirlwind Honor Flight with a bunch of other veterans to see the memorials and the sights.

I told them to use a piece of apple pie on a string to lure him into the aircraft as that was one of the things he dreamed of during his tough times in the war.

I hope those all those guys have a wonderful time and they have some apple pie in DC.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-09-07 10:57:29

Mikey,
Wow, a WWII veteran still alive and well! You come from a strong gene pool! Thank him from us for his service. He deserves a great time. We owe a great deal to each and everyone of the WWII veterans.

Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 11:59:57

awaiting wipeout,

Thanks, will do.

Those guys sacrificed an awful lot for this country and the world and in my book, they never asked for much other than to go home and get on with their lives which they did.

He’s been carrying around a load of shrapnel in his body since 1944 and I have never heard him complain.

He still loves his country, his wonderful wife and his apple pie very much.

(5 purple hearts, 1 bronze star and 2 silver stars and the family was notified that he was dead once)

We are lucky to have him and all the others going on this trip to DC.

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Comment by JohnF
2010-09-07 12:13:25

5 purple hearts, 1 bronze star and 2 silver stars

Man…….

He earned his combat pay…..and then some…….

 
Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 12:20:31

He carried the BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle) and that drew a whole lot of enemy fire.

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-09-07 17:32:28

Mikey-
(a reply to your reply to me)
Having grown up in the 70’s, I didn’t have an appreciation for the WWII, Korean, or Vietnam Vets, until I matured and became a civilized thinking adult. With the WWII Vets dying off, I reflect and I am amazed at the strength of character they have. Truly heroes in my book. Tell your uncle I said that.

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Comment by polly
2010-09-07 12:02:02

The WWII monument is grand, but I can’t really connect to it. Not sure why. The Vietnam Memorial makes me cry every time I go there, and I mean every single time. I haven’t been to Arlington yet. I’m saving that one to go with my father the next time my parents visit.

Hope your uncle has a great time. The best exhibit in town was the Lego Architechture one at the National Building Museum, but it closed on the 5th. I also recommend the Leonardo DaVInci one at National Geographic Explorer’s Hall not too far from the White House.

Seeing the actual Star Spangled Banner in American History is also a hoot. Last time I was there, my 8 year old cousin burst into song. He was so proud that he knew the words. And everyone finds something to love at Air and Space. The docents are so good it is almost scary. And the crowds do thin out a bit now that school is open. Good timing for his trip.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-07 12:20:50

I have the same reactions as you, polly, to those individual memorials. I really love the larger than life Korean soldier statues posed as if frozen in time on the battlefield. I love that we can walk among them and look upon the emotion on their faces. We even found one who looked my fil who served there. But I really enjoyed the Arlington Cemetary and was so inspired while there, I walked off by myself w/my little writing pad, sat on a step just inside the entryway of the colleseum and just poured my heart out on paper. I was alone for that entire hour.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://lh3.ggpht.com/_0LUEJn7Bx4o/Sts9gUXOtbI/AAAAAAAAEGg/hZJtGLhCyoU/IMG_2112.JPG&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/e08Hwe9eeA893uRi5xBn9A&h=750&w=1000&sz=304&tbnid=iKHiU9foZNDY2M:&tbnh=112&tbnw=149&prev=/images%3Fq%3Darlington%2Bcoliseum%2Bphoto&zoom=0&q=arlington+coliseum+photo&usg=__rmtwZvoG2U7MwbsErTWHA85OYuo=&sa=X&ei=oY-GTOaEK8KAlAe235W3Dg&ved=0CBkQ9QEwAA

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Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 12:41:31

Thanks Polly,

I have a few good friends names on that Wall. It was built after I left DC. Maybe some day I’ll fly in myself and say Hello.

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Comment by polly
2010-09-07 13:02:32

I have a cousin on the Wall, but I don’t have any memory of him. I had only just turned two when his tour started (just looked up the date on the memorial database) so I guess that is expected. There were a lot of boys born in that time frame in my extended family. The others that went came home, thank goodness. You can look up info on your friends (like where their names are located) here: http://thewall-usa.com/index.asp#search

The impact for mis is the process of walking along and seeing the names start out as just a few, then get bigger and bigger and bigger until it is way above your head and then get smaller again but it still goes on so far. The impact is stunning. There are a lot of memorials created after that one that try to imitate it a bit by including names, or at least a “thing” (like a tree or a chair) for each person lost. I don’t think they come close to the impact of that many names.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-07 13:57:14

I have a cousin on the Wall, but I don’t have any memory of him…..The impact for mis is the process of walking along and seeing the names start out as just a few, then get bigger and bigger and bigger until it is way above your head and then get smaller again but it still goes on so far….the impact of that many names.

I have a few good friends names on that Wall.

“50,000 Names” (George Jones)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou7y8AyTwIY

And by the songwriter, Jamie O’Hara :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg0VQ5LQuEk&feature=related

 
Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 14:27:44

I was kneeling between two friends, one an older high school friend and his machine gunner, thanking them for saving my life two days before on a really rough mission.

Everyone was cleaning their equipment and getting ready for their 1st decent meal in 5 days. I knew Jerry’s wife. Nobody could believe he was married to such a beautiful girl when he showed her picture to the guys. They just had a brand new baby girl.

He was two years older than me and used to call me over to his other friends.

Jerry: mikey, is this my wife ?

mikey: Yeah guys, that pretty girl in the photo really is his wife. I know her.

Jerry: Now tell them what you said to her when you first met her.

mikey:(embarassed in front of the older paratroopers) Nope, no way.

Jerry: Come on mikey, tell them what you said to my wife when you first met her in HS.

mikey: I said…I blurred out …”Wow…you are the prettiest girl I have ever seen in my life — for an older girl.”

That day, Jerry asked me to grab something for them, I moved to get it and a second later a new kid’s shotgun accidently fired killing them both.

Jerry saved my life again before he died or there would have been an extra name on that Wall.

Tough place, that long, dark granite Wall.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-07 19:00:06

Jerry saved my life again before he died or there would have been an extra name on that Wall.

Thank you Jerry and thank you Mikey….

 
Comment by mikey
2010-09-07 22:05:02

Thanx Rio

:)

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 13:36:34

Ah but can he sing all four verses, including the politically-incorrect third verse?

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 10:39:34

Well I wrapped my pipe in aluminum foil and black duct tape 2 layers and has held for 2 years….I have to parcel out the needs last year new refridge, this year new stove, next year hey the pipe leaks…

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he was under my sink cutting out a section of pipe in the wall that had a hole in it.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-09-07 10:40:27

Less than an hour later, he was under my sink cutting out a section of pipe in the wall that had a hole in it

Hrm. .My roof was leaking yesterday (yet AGAIN….), and the owner, who insists on doing all the maintenance, still hasn’t been out to deal with it.

Your renting experience depends on your landlord, I suppose. He’s using a rental mgmt company, but that doesn’t seem to help my situation..

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-07 07:07:32

Oh no, its happening in Eddie’s neighborhood too!

http://www.ajc.com/business/boom-goes-bust-in-607959.html

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-07 07:45:03

Might this trend not pose “systemic-risk” to the financial system?

SEC Sees Surge in Fraud.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/SEC-sees-surge-in-fraud-rb-450663533.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=4&asset=&ccode=

“Fraud is good”.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 15:53:59

How can they tell? The SEC and the FBI were BOTH directed by the DOJ during Bush’s admin to ignore all the financial fraud they had found.

So maybe it’s just the backlog finally coming to light.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 07:54:26

This past weekend, I spent a good chunk of time with my nose in various books. One of them was Alyssa Katz’s Our Lot: How Real Estate Came to Own Us.

Good book, BTW.

And guess who was featured on pp. 118-119? Our very own Paladin, that’s who!

According to the book, Paladin has been reporting the big investors who’d been buying properties in his neighborhood, Lincoln Crossing in Lincoln, CA.

Apparently, these properties have been purchased for well above the assessed value. (Smells like mortgage fraud, doesn’t it?) Who’s Paladin reporting these creeps to? The IRS and various mortgage funds.

Which probably explains why he hasn’t been posting ’round these parts.

Comment by packman
2010-09-07 08:36:31

Dang - I forgot about that! Hopefully it’s been going well. What does the book say about it, if you don’t mind us asking.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 11:47:38

Here’s the HBB Librarian summary:

According to Alyssa Katz’s book, Our Lot, Paladin is a homeowner in Lincoln Crossing, a development in Lincoln, CA.

During his first visit to Lincoln Crossing, he and his fiance noticed quite a crop of “For Sale” signs. But they didn’t see a single soul or parked car. That was back in April 2006.

During their first Lincoln Crossing Halloween, not a single ghost or goblin visited their house. The Paladins found this to be quite odd.

Turns out that the developer had sold the neighboring houses to investors, and, no the investors weren’t living in them. House sale prices were based on fraudulent appraisals that enabled the investors to get mortgages far in excess of the actual values.

Cue up the Paladin Fraud Alarm Bells. (Dinga-dinga-ding!)

Anyway, the book says, “Paladin has been reporting these schemes to mortgage funds and the IRS, in hopes of punishing the lenders who profited from them.”

And, according to the spreadsheet that Paladin’s been keeping, investment bank losses are “heading toward some $40 million on these quiet blocks.” Call it the Lincoln Crossing Massacre, if you will.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-07 13:11:33

“$40 million?……tis but a flesh wound…”

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Comment by bob
2010-09-07 14:59:32

$40M is not a flesh wound for one neighbourhood or sub-division. Multiply by 10,000 across the country and you have the current mess

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 18:36:28

“Apparently, these properties have been purchased for well above the assessed value. (Smells like mortgage fraud, doesn’t it?)”

This kind of artificially inflated real estate deal is one of the things that got Randy Duke Cunningham in trouble with the law.

My impression is that, by contrast, it is perfectly legal for real estate to be artificially inflated, so long as the Fed is behind it.

Lawmaker’s home sale questioned
Cunningham defends deal with defense firm’s owner
By Marcus Stern
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE
June 12, 2005

Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham, R-Escondido
WASHINGTON – A defense contractor with ties to Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham took a $700,000 loss on the purchase of the congressman’s Del Mar house while the congressman, a member of the influential defense appropriations subcommittee, was supporting the contractor’s efforts to get tens of millions of dollars in contracts from the Pentagon.

Mitchell Wade bought the San Diego Republican’s house for $1,675,000 in November 2003 and put it back on the market almost immediately for roughly the same price. But the Del Mar house languished unsold and vacant for 261 days before selling for $975,000.

Meanwhile, Cunningham used the proceeds of the $1,675,000 sale to buy a $2.55 million house in Rancho Santa Fe. And Wade, who had been suffering through a flat period in winning Pentagon contracts, was on a tear – reeling in tens of millions of dollars in defense and intelligence-related contracts.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-07 07:56:46

NFW! A voice of REASON?

Grim Housing Choice: Help Today’s Owners or Future Ones

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Grim-Housing-Choice-Help-nytimes-2501800868.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=4&asset=&ccode=

 
Comment by North GA Dave
2010-09-07 08:13:05

“PVC Farms”

http://www.ajc.com/business/boom-goes-bust-in-607959.html

“weedy lots surround the occasional home in the Heritage Point subdivision. “PVC farms,” where only water and sewer pipes sprout from the ground, abound farther along Ga. 124.”

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 09:14:07

Technically most sewer pipe is ABS but what the heck.

Leaving PVC pipe exposed to sunlight is not a good idea as it will become brittle and decompose.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 09:23:15

This is also true of CPVC. It’s supposed to be more sun-resistant than PVC, but it still has its limits.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-07 10:17:41

Not true. PVC is the choice for smaller sewer mains as in SDR35. Larger mains out of lift stations are typical ductile iron.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-07 11:12:08

Outdorrs in the winter, if you tap PVC it will shatter. Don’t ask me how I know.

These risers are probably just to let the futuer backhoe operator know where to find the connection point underground.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-07 09:20:37

Those aren’t pvc pipes. They are McMansion sprouts.

 
 
Comment by drumminj
2010-09-07 08:38:08

Posted by my realtor friend on facebook….fire away:

Thought of the day from Mark at Cornerstone Mortgage. For each 1% mortgage rates increase, your buying power decreases 10%. So if you qualify for a $200,000 mortgage at 6%, you’ll only qualify for a $180,000 mortgage if rates go up to 7%. The moral of the story being “Buy now if you can!” And call me if you need a Realtor :)

Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-07 10:39:18

They’ll have more success reinflating a popped balloon than reinflating the housing bubble.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-07 10:46:04

“Buy now if you can!” And call me if you need a Realtorming :)

 
Comment by oxide
2010-09-07 11:15:40

But…but… I thought that realtors were always saying “you can always refinance later.”

I got yer pitards right here. Shall I hoist y’all up or would you like to do it yerselfs?

Comment by 2banana
2010-09-07 11:52:57

“For ’tis the sport to have the enginer / Hoist with his owne
petar” — Shakespeare, Hamlet III iv.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 12:07:04

Drummin:

Interesting problem with the joshua tree

I downloaded Better Privacy which clears out the flash cookies,LSO, and it seems to reset your counter as if i didn’t read any posts.

Comment by drumminj
2010-09-07 15:31:46

I downloaded Better Privacy which clears out the flash cookies,LSO, and it seems to reset your counter as if i didn’t read any posts.

Well, where do you expect it to save the information about what you’ve read?!

It’s not stored on Ben’s server - it’s stored locally in your browser’s global stoarge thingy (not sure what Firefox calls it these days). Makes sense that such a tool would clear it out.

I used to store the info in cookies, but cookies get sent to the server every time you connect, which was a waste of Ben’s bandwidth. The current implementation is better, but yes, a tool like that will likely clear out any saved information.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 17:43:23

Thanks….there seems to be a way to exclude certain cookies/websites from being erased….. My Firefox 3.6.8 lately seems to default into its private browsing mode even when i uncheck it….so i was just trying new plugins.

but as always I thank you for this tool…

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-07 12:07:19

Here’s another thought about increasing borrowing costs:

If borrowing costs for our government go up by just 1%, it adds over a hundred billion dollars in additional debt servicing needs.

quoted from “Overdose, The Next Financial Crisis” (couldn’t pull this up on youtube yesterday, sorry)

 
Comment by jbunniii
2010-09-07 18:33:03

For each 1% mortgage rates increase, your buying power decreases 10%.

…And thus, all else being equal, prices have to drop by 10% to match buyers’ newly diminished purchasing power.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 10:08:17

“What bothers the public, plain and simple, is that the steps that were taken to mitigate the recession—which involved greater government involvement, including ownership of the largest auto and insurance companies, and vastly more federal spending—have not worked.”
~Wall St. Journal

< Yet President Obama, prodded - apparently - by the frantic advice of economist Paul Krugman, yesterday announced yet another government stimulus plan to boost the U.S. economy.

The cost: $50 billion.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 16:02:16

No, what bothers the public, plain and simple, is the lack of stability and decent pay in the job market while Wall St. got bailed out.

Nice deflection by the WSJ, though.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 17:46:51

Eco:

I just wonder how these people think you would want to make a long term financial commitment to a new car house or even marriage with out some stability in jobs?

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 20:55:41

Because J6P was dumb enough to do it for the last 30 years while his wages were dropping and jobs going offshore.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 10:23:21

A proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

“Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States.”

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-07 10:30:44

Like that would ever happen.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-07 12:31:17

Do Congresspeople actually read the constitution?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 12:51:56

The late Robert Byrd certainly did.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-07 14:35:23

he died?? I thought they stuffed him and had brain implants to vote yeah or nay…

 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-09-07 10:47:24

That was one of the ten points of the 1994 Republican “Contract With America”. The Republicans in the house did pass this legislation - but it failed in the senate.

On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:

FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

Comment by oxide
2010-09-07 11:17:21

And all of them will immediately fail in the Senate. The filibuster works both ways.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-07 11:28:54

Prior to voting on a bill, all members of Congress must pass a test which shows a proper knowledge of the contents of said bill. Members failing the test shall be prohibited from voting on said bill.

Comment by packman
2010-09-07 12:21:24

Tests can be subjective.

I say make them memorize it and recite it by heart. Then watch them plummet from War-and-Peace-size to Gettysburg-Address-size overnight.

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-09-07 12:23:40

“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.” — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on the vote for ObamaCare

Comment by oxide
2010-09-07 13:41:22

Anytime I’ve asked what a medical procedure costs, the nurse would say I need to have the procedure done first. They’ll know how much it costs when insurance bills them. Why should the vote on Obamacare be any different? :cool:

(I’m being facetious)

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 13:48:27

I’m about to go looking for a dentist. Turns out that my beloved community college dental clinic has found some items in need of repair.

So, I’m going to make a few phone calls. I’ll ask for an appointment to get quotes on the work that the clinic says is needed. And I’ll have the clinic’s treatment plan printout at the ready.

Now, they may be miffed at my approach, but, hey, Tucson has plenty of dentists.

As for insurance? I’ve never had it for dental. Seems to me that it’s a lot of money out for not much coverage when you need it.

 
 
 
 
Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-09-07 16:12:49

And their progeny, wmbz. And their progeny.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 12:56:18

The Ten American Industries Which Will Never Recover

It has become clear that jobs in some industries may never come back or if they do it will take years or decades for a recovery. 24/7 Wall St. examined the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ “Employment Situation Summary” and a number of sources that show layoffs by company and sector. The weakness in these sectors will make it harder for the private industry, even aided by the government, to bring down total unemployment from 9.6% and replace the 8.3 million jobs lost during the recession. The losses in these industries have to be offset by growth in others before there can be any net increase in American employment.

Some of the industries are obvious. Detroit will never employ the number of people it did five years ago. Domestic car sales hit 16 million in 2005 and 2006. That number will be closer to 11.5 million in 2010. More cars and light vehicles are made overseas now, in places like Mexico, to keep labor costs down.

Home construction is another industry that will almost certainly not recover. Home inventories are still extremely high and home prices have fallen to the levels where they were in 2004. Prices in some markets, which include Las Vegas, Florida and parts of California have dropped 60% to 70%. New construction in those markets will not begin again in the foreseeable future.

Here is the list of the ten jobs categories that will not recover based on 24/7 Wall St. research:

Read more: The Ten American Industries Which Will Never Recover - 24/7 Wall St. http://247wallst.com/2010/09/07/the-ten-american-industries-which-will-never-recover/#ixzz0ysLArs2R

Comment by 2banana
2010-09-07 13:14:46

The best one:

9. Realtors. The National Association of Realtors reports that there were 1,370,758 realtors in October 2006 – the peak of the market. By the end of 2007, the figure was below 1.2 million. The number is below 1.1 million today, and has continued on a downward trend. Home prices have dropped so far and so few homes are sold, that the ability to make money in the business disappears by the day.

 
Comment by packman
2010-09-07 13:29:21

So the author’s definition of “recover” is to return to 2005/2006 bubble levels?

That being the case I for one certainly hope these industries don’t recover. We may never recover from that recovery.

 
Comment by packman
2010-09-07 13:46:37

1. State and local government jobs.

B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S. B.S.

S&L gov employment:
2007: 14.68M
2008: 14.86M
2009: 14.82M (up 0.9%)

(data is annual)

All civilian employment:
2007-1: 146.0M
2008-1: 146.4M
2009-1: 142.2M (down 2.6%)
2010-1: 138.3M (down 5.3%)

(data is monthly)

Yes many municipalities are hurting and having to lay people off. But it’s nowhere near as bad as the private sector. Many municipalities/states are still adding people.

Comment by packman
2010-09-07 13:54:20

Just noticed that the annual data is from March of each year. So an applies to apples comparison for civilian employment would be:

2007: 146.4M
2008: 146.2M
2009: 140.1M (down 4.3%)

For overall government employees (including Federal):

2007: 22.1M
2008: 22.4M
2009: 22.6M (up 2.3%)

(2010 is way back down to 22.5M - only up 1.8% since 2007, in case anyone’s wondering)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 16:05:51

Good find.

Link?

Comment by packman
2010-09-07 17:33:31

Sure.

civilian employment (click “view data” to see the raw data)

state and local government employment data (see “US Summary Table” for 2009, and change year accordingly. Note that 2006->2007 there was a change in methodology, so there’s a big delta in the figures.)

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 20:57:38

Excellent! Good find.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 12:59:26

Los Angeles school named after Al Gore
He’s the first vice president to have an L.A. school named after him, sharing the honor with author Rachel Carson. Fittingly, the campus will be devoted to environmental themes. But there’s a catch.

The new Carson-Gore Academy of Environmental Sciences, scheduled to open Sept. 13. The campus was built atop contaminated land.

Al Gore has had some tough breaks — like losing the presidency after getting more votes than the other guy — but the noted environmentalist achieved a singular honor last week, becoming the first vice president to have a Los Angeles school named after him.

And, fittingly, the school will be devoted to environmental themes.

But as in the 2000 election, there’s a catch. Critics say the campus’ location poses a long-term health risk to students and staff.

School district officials insist that the Arlington Heights property is clean and safe. And they’ve pledged to check vapor monitors and groundwater wells to make sure.

The $75.5-million Carson-Gore Academy of Environmental Sciences will open Sept. 13 for about 675 students. As he was with Bill Clinton (who has an L.A. middle school named after him), Gore is second on the ticket to Rachel Carson, the late author credited with helping launch the modern environmental movement.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-07 13:56:17

Will Al get a cut of all student fees like he would if cap and trade passes?

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-07 14:14:19

Construction crews were working at the campus up to the Labor Day weekend, replacing toxic soil with clean fill. All told, workers removed dirt from two 3,800-square-foot plots to a depth of 45 feet, space enough to hold a four-story building. The soil had contained more than a dozen underground storage tanks serving light industrial businesses.

Additional contamination may have come from the underground tanks of an adjacent gas station. A barrier will stretch 45 feet down from ground level to limit future possible fuel leakage.

An oil well operates across the street, but officials said they’ve found no associated risks. Like many local campuses, this school also sits above an oil field, but no oil field-related methane has been detected.

Groundwater about 45 feet below the surface remains contaminated but also poses no risk, officials said.

newsbusters.org
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Gotta wonder what happened to the 13,000 cubic yards of contaminated dirt that was “removed”..

Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 17:19:59

“Groundwater about 45 feet below the surface remains contaminated but also poses no risk, officials said.”

Unless you drink it, as in getting it from a well - which is how a lot of folks who live in the L.A. basin (including myself) ultimately get their water.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 13:02:56

Economist Christina Romer serves up dismal news at her farewell luncheon Washington Post

Lunch at the National Press Club on Wednesday caused some serious indigestion.

It wasn’t the food; it was the entertainment. Christina Romer, chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, was giving what was billed as her “valedictory” before she returns to teach at Berkeley, and she used the swan song to establish four points, each more unnerving than the last:

She had no idea how bad the economic collapse would be. She still doesn’t understand exactly why it was so bad. The response to the collapse was inadequate. And she doesn’t have much of an idea about how to fix things.

What she did have was a binder full of scary descriptions and warnings, offered with a perma-smile and singsong delivery: “Terrible recession. . . . Incredibly searing. . . . Dramatically below trend. . . . Suffering terribly. . . . Risk of making high unemployment permanent. . . . Economic nightmare.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 13:45:34

She had no idea how bad the economic collapse would be. She still doesn’t understand exactly why it was so bad. The response to the collapse was inadequate. And she doesn’t have much of an idea about how to fix things.

Ummm, Dr. Romer, let me tell you about this great website. It’s called The HousingBubbleBlog.com. For years, it has covered such topics as:

1. The coming economic collapse (big topic around here during 2005-2007). We saw it coming, and, no, we’re not surprised by how bad it’s turned out to be.
2. We’ve long discussed why this collapse would be so bad.
3. Don’t get us started on the response. “Inadequate” is one of the nicer words we’ve used around here.
4. Fixing things? Ask us! We’re just full of ideas here.

Comment by packman
2010-09-07 14:06:28

Not to mention the countless detailed industry reports, like what’s put out by T2 partners.

Anyone who says they don’t understand “why it was so bad” has no business being an economist, let alone the head economist in the U.S. executive branch of government.

Unless of course her statements are purely lip service - in which case she’s right where she belongs. (/snark off)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 16:10:06

4. Fixing things? Ask us! We’re just full of ideas here.

NIH (not invented here) has been the biggest problem with this country since Deming got disgusted and left for Japan 60 years ago to show Toyota, Sony, et al, how kick our butts.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 13:10:39

“They” just won’t stop until they screw the entire system into the ground. Go Team Barry!

Gov’t launches plan to help “underwater” borrowers
Government plan seeks to aid homeowners who owe more on properties than homes are worth

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration is trying to jump-start its sputtering attempts to tackle the foreclosure crisis with an effort to assist homeowners who owe more on their properties than their homes are worth.

Starting Tuesday, the Federal Housing Administration will permit lenders to give these borrowers refinanced loans backed by the government. The lenders will be required to forgive at least 10 percent of the original mortgage amount. Investors who have control over the mortgages as part of their large portfolios will select which borrowers are invited to participate.

The plan was first announced in March. Its rollout represents the latest of numerous efforts by the administration to address the housing bust. So far, the government has only nibbled around the edges of the crisis, as its programs have run into numerous problems.

The lending industry was ill-prepared for a crush of distressed homeowners, the economy worsened and millions of homeowners had taken on so much debt that their financial woes have been nearly impossible to resolve.

Nearly half of the 1.3 million homeowners who have enrolled in the Obama administration’s main mortgage-relief program — overseen by the Treasury Department — have already fallen out over the past year.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-09-07 14:16:12

I predict that this program will work about as well as HAMP.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-07 14:32:56

Nearly half.. who have enrolled.. have already fallen out over the past year.

“Give a man a fish mortgage payment and you feed shelter him for a day month….” — Lao Tzu

 
Comment by JohnF
2010-09-07 15:28:18

I predict that, after this “attempt” fails, there will be a new “refinancing” program (maybe there will be a few more futile “attempts” in the interim) that “will have to be done” because “we can’t afford mass foreclosures” and we “need to keep people in their homes”.

It will look like this:

1.) Home is worth $200,000, loan is $400,000
2.) Bank sells the $400,000 loan at par to the FHA (can’t have those banks failing, the FDIC has enough to worry about right now)
3.) FHA re-fi’s the homeowner with a new $200,000 loan
4.) FHA creates a security worth the extra $200,000 and sells it to the Federal Reserve at par
5.) Fed pays the FHA for their cool new security with printed money
6.) Homeowner kinda-sorta would have to pay the Fed back if they sell the home in the future for more than $200,000 (although I anticipate the details to be sketchy on this)
7.) Fed reports the $200,000 security on their books as “good-as-gold” (just like the Bear Sterns “securities” they have in the various Maiden Lane LLC’s)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 14:25:51

“So many economists…. If you could take all the world’s economists and lay them end-to-end, you should do it. The world would be a better place with out them”.

“And take Paul Krugman…please! He’s in The New York Times this morning with an analysis worthy of a Ph.D. economist/Nobel Prize winner…but unworthy of a first year philosophy student, cab driver or hairdresser. At least he is efficient. In the space of just a few well-chosen paragraphs he is able to misunderstand the entire economic world”.

~ Bill Bonner

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 16:11:32

:lol:

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 14:32:10

The new young investor: Shunning stocks
cnnmoney

When 18-year-old Robert White decided to jumpstart his retirement plan, he invested his life savings of $25,000 into an aggressive mutual fund.

Little did he know that just five years later, he would make a complete 180 and join the ranks of a new group of young investors who have become so risk averse by the wild market swings that they’d rather park their money in safety zones, like CDs or Treasurys.

Today, only 22% of investors under the age of 35 say they’re willing to take on a substantial level of risk, according to the Investment Company Institute. Compare that with 2001, when that same group outpaced every other age bracket.

“We’re coming off a series of financial crises that hit this young generation at points in their lives where external events shape strong opinions,” said Christopher Geczy, adjunct associate professor of finance at University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School.

When White’s fund began to slip with the broader market in 2008, he yanked his savings, now at $35,0000, and put the money into a short-term certificate of deposit with an annual return rate of 4%.

“It’s almost embarrassing to talk to anyone about my portfolio because I know how stupid it is to normally keep my portfolio in cash,” said White, now a 23-year-old graduate of Northern Arizona University.

While most investors have become more cautious during the decade, the biggest change has come from White’s generation.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 16:13:34

Like I care what most (but not all) people under 30 think? Especially the ones who’ve had it easy and don’t even know it?

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 17:11:14

Ummm … young investors shunning stocks? I like it.

I like it because I plan on, sometime in the future, delving head first into stocks, and I don’t want a lot of competition when I do so.

Spread the word: Stocks suck.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 18:40:41

The word already done got spread around. But so far as I ma aware, HFT bots don’t read newspapers.

Small investors quitting Wall Street: SEC boss
(AFP) – 8 hours ago

NEW YORK — The head of the US stock market watchdog said on Tuesday that individual investors have been turning away from equities since a May crash that exposed weaknesses in Wall Street’s trading structure.

Mary Schapiro, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), said it will release in the coming weeks a report on the May 6 “Flash Crash” which saw market indexes dive by more than five percent in minutes, only to rebound again after seconds.

The crash is largely blamed on the extremely sophisticated automated trading that dominates today’s markets, where thousands of trades are executed within seconds.

These advanced methods have pushed away individual investors who fear investing in stocks in view of the market’s volatility, Schapiro said in a speech before the Economic Club of New York.

Many individual investors, she said, “have submitted comments to the Commission that are highly critical of the current market structure.

“Retail broker-dealers have told us that their customers — individual investors — have pulled back from participating in the equity markets since May 6,” she said.

“Indeed, according to mutual fund data, every single week since May 6 has seen an outflow of funds from equity mutual funds.

“I recognize that there may be a variety of reasons for reduced participation in the equity markets, but the trend is troubling, particularly if concerns about equity market structure are playing even a small role in investor decision-making,” Schapiro said.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-09-07 19:40:53

Even better, if you read the plans of the 10 they profile, their language suggests they plan to buy high. Just in time for you to sell to them!

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-09-07 20:53:19

I sniffed around the web and found some interesting observations/opinions of Bill Bonner. Some selections:

“How do we know this market downturn is coming, you ask?

“We don’t. But it is too likely to ignore.

“At the ratio’s peak in 1998, it took 43 ounces of gold to buy a single unit of the Dow - a single share in each of the companies that make up the average.

“The ratio of gold to stocks has already come down to under 10. But there’s much furthur to go. At its low-point, gold and the Dow tend to trade at a ratio of 2 to 1 … or even 1 to 1.

“If we’re right, sometime in the future, investors’ fear will reach its climax. Money will be as valuable as it’s going to get. Assets such as stocks and houses will be as cheap as they are going to get. Then, it will be time to reverse the trade…”

Something to think about IMHO.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 23:51:18

Does Bonner’s world include an interventionist Fed which has every intention of preventing asset prices from getting so low that they exacerbate deflationary pressure already present in the economy?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 19:50:16

“Little did he know that just five years later, he would make a complete 180 and join the ranks of a new group of young investors who have become so risk averse by the wild market swings that they’d rather park their money in safety zones, like CDs or Treasurys.”

This herd animal is quickly learning how to turn a small fortune into an annual vacation fund.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-07 14:37:17

German Factory Orders Unexpectedly Declined in July on Exports

German factory orders unexpectedly fell in July as demand in the euro region weakened, indicating the recovery in Europe’s largest economy is losing momentum.

Orders, adjusted for seasonal swings and inflation, declined 2.2 percent from June, when they surged a revised 3.6 percent, the Economy Ministry in Berlin said today. That’s the biggest drop since February 2009. Economists forecast a 0.5 percent gain, according to the median of 40 estimates in a Bloomberg News survey. From a year earlier, orders climbed 18 percent, when adjusted for working days.

Evidence of slowing growth comes after the German economy expanded at the fastest pace in two decades in the second quarter, boosted by exports. An index of manufacturing fell in August and investor confidence dropped to a 16-month low. Still, Daimler AG, the world’s second-biggest manufacturer of luxury cars, said yesterday that sales jumped in August.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-09-07 18:53:01

That all needs to be viewed in the context of the Euro’s recent price history. Sure their exports surged, when it looked like the Euro was plummeting to parity in 2Q 2010 - then it rebounded and their exports trailed off again. Not too much mystery there.

IMHO, there’s an unacknowledged “cold” trade war going on already, or at least a clandestine case of beggar thy neighbor. Let’s watch and see where this goes. JPY ducked under 84 - maybe that’s the next flash point?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 14:38:24

Volatile Housing Market Baffles Homeowners
September 7, 2010

Talk of the Nation
[47 min 9 sec]

Guests

Mark Zandi, Moody’s Analytics
Amy Bohutinsky, Zillow
David Streitfeld, New York Times

September 7, 2010

Tax credits for buyers, mortgage help for homeowners and new rules for lenders haven’t stopped the slide in the housing market. Some economists argue the best way to balance the market in the long term is to let it crash in the short run. Many homeowners and prospective homeowners are unsure if it’s time to buy, to rent, or to wait.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-07 16:14:56

When in danger or in doubt
Run in circles
Scream and shout!

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 18:26:31

It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear dumb,
than to open it and remove all doubt.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 14:41:08

Used home for sale inventories always go up.

WSJ Blogs
Developments
Real estate news and analysis from The Wall Street Journal

* Home Buyer Tax Credit Price Tag: $22 Billion
* September 7, 2010, 3:57 PM ET

Housing Inventories Rise for Eighth Straight Month
By Nick Timiraos

See housing inventory data and price cut information for 21 metro areas.

Housing inventories rose in many U.S. cities for the eighth straight month in August in a sign of the continued headwinds facing a soft housing market.

The number of available homes for sale in 26 major metropolitan areas at the end of August increased 0.4% from one month earlier, according to figures compiled by ZipRealty Inc., a real-estate brokerage firm based in Emeryville, Calif. The figures include all single-family homes, condominiums and townhouses listed on local multiple-listing services in markets where the firm operates. (See the full data).

Inventories traditionally rise modestly in August. Zelman & Associates, a research firm, says listings have typically risen by 2% in August over the past 28 years.

The less-than-average gain in inventories is troubling, nonetheless, because demand has fallen sharply since a tax credit to spur sales expired earlier this year. At the current pace, it would take 12.5 months to clear the backlog of unsold homes, according to the National Association of Realtors. A healthy market typically a six-month supply of homes. Inventories nationally remain at their highest levels since November 2008, according to Zelman data.

The August inventory in the 26 markets tracked by ZipRealty showed a 10.6% year-over-year increase in the number of unsold homes listed for sale. A number of cities, including Houston, Philadelphia, and Orange County, Calif., remain at 18 month highs. “It’s across the country where you’re seeing really big inventory levels,” says Pat Lashinsky, chief executive of ZipRealty.

The biggest gains in inventory continue to come from overheated Western markets where bidding wars on foreclosures pushed the housing supply down to very low levels one year ago. Las Vegas saw inventory rise by 9.3% from July, while listings were up by 4.6% in Phoenix and 3.8% in San Diego.

Compared to one year ago, inventories are up by 59% in San Diego, 43% in Orange County, Calif., and 25% in Los Angeles. :-)

 
Comment by fisher
2010-09-07 16:14:33

I think some posters here have already mentioned Robert Scheer’s new book: “The Great American Stickup: How Reagan Republicans and Clinton Democrats Enriched Wall Street While Mugging Main Street”, but there is a really excellent interview with the author here where Scheer concisely summarizes and synthesizes the best of this blog… almost like he reads the HBB! His proposed solution to the problem is silly, but what do you expect? The rest of the interview is solid gold and I bet you’ll never hear a peep from him reported anywhere else:

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/7/robert_scheer_on__the_great

Democrat partisans on this blog beware (I assume the Republican ideologues are too cynical to care). This guy really nails it and names the names including The One.

(if this is a double posted, my sincere apologies)

Comment by WT Economist
2010-09-07 16:28:37

The Bush II Republicans weren’t so great either.

As for Bush I, he took the fall for having to confront the Reagan fiscal and financial mess. Obama is in the same position after Bush II.

Obama should have learned from Rogoff and Reinhardt. We’re screwed for a long period, and it isn’t something the “best and the brightest” can solve.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 18:24:20

“Obama should have learned from Rogoff and Reinhardt.”

Most spectacular failure of the Obamanomics Team so far:

Failure to warn the boss that this recession was likely to last far longer than its post-WWII predecessors, and to adjust the political message to reflect this reality.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-09-07 21:24:27

Saw a Youtube video by the late Ayn Rand in the early 1960s. She was attacking the Republican Party for its religionists and its failure for defending capitalism even in those days. It was educational. It made me think that even though I voted Libertarian for all but one of those elections, I had more respect for Republicans than for Democrats.

Now that I’m made aware that religion has taken a stronghold over Republicans far earlier than the era of the so-called “Moral Majority,” I have even more disrespect for that political party than I ever did. I understand now that religion is ingrained into that party. It’s a failure. It never was in favor of capitalism, but of Talibanism.

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-09-07 19:43:56

Whadda ya know? While catching up on the local news this evening, I just learned that our Mayor Daley will not seek reelection this spring. He’s been mayor for 21 years - when his father’s terms are counted, father and son were mayor for 42 of the past 55 years!

A historic day for Chicago to be sure. It will be supremely interesting to see what effect, if any, this has on the housing price situation here. Daley was quite pro growth and the face of the city markedly changed during his five terms. His influence in local development schemes was not at all trivial, so if there is a power vacuum setting up and weak successor come along, one has to wonder what effect that might have on the overall situation here.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-08 00:50:20

Rahm’s going to run. Which starts the question: who’s going to keep Obama on the straight and narrow now?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 19:47:40

I don’t see how buying call options on land will save these permabulls. In fact, given the difficulty the Fed is having with creating real estate price inflation, coupled with ever persistent “higher than expected” unemployment, I am expecting lots of these options to expire worthless. At least with owning land (or a house), the value of your investment is highly unlikely to drop to zero and stay there forever.

* REAL ESTATE
* SEPTEMBER 8, 2010

Home Builders Sound Retreat on Land Deals
As Housing Sector Remains Weak, Some Firms Back Out of Contracts, Forfeiting Deposits; ‘Holy Cow! Our Sales Are Down’

By DAWN WOTAPKA

The weakening of the housing sector is having repercussions in the land-speculation market, which enjoyed a miniboom earlier this year when it appeared that the worst of the housing crisis was over.

With sales volume falling and home buyers retreating, home builders are re-examining land contracts, asking land sellers for lower prices or abandoning deals entirely. Land brokers said several of the nation’s builders, including D.R. Horton Inc. and M.D.C. Holdings Inc., have walked away from deals. In some cases, they forfeited the deposit: KB Home walked away from the option to purchase 90 lots, and a $500,000 deposit, in Roseville, Calif.

D.R. Horton and M.D.C. didn’t respond to requests for comment.

This summer, builder Standard Pacific Corp. signed a letter of intent to buy an option on 451 ready-to-build lots in the Inland Empire, a Southern California market where builders have ramped up construction in recent months. But in August, Standard Pacific decided to pass on the deal.

“The market is definitely doing worse now than at the beginning of the year,” said Standard Pacific Chief Executive Ken Campbell. “It’s a weaker home-sale environment than people had expected, which means land is less valuable.”

This marks a shift from earlier this year, when builders competed to boost their land supplies to have inventory ready for an improved market. Finished-lot prices in Phoenix and California’s Riverside-San Bernardino area, two of the markets hardest hit by the housing crisis, soared more than 40% above the bottom hit in the first quarter of 2009. Prices in other hard-hit markets such as Las Vegas and Tampa, Fla., rose between 21% and 40%, according to housing-research firm Zelman & Associates.

“They obviously got pretty aggressive in terms of their assumptions in the first half of the year,” said Alan Ratner, a Zelman vice president. “They were bidding up deals at prices that current home prices could not support.”

But builders are trying not to overpay for land, which got them into trouble when the market slumped and land values plunged. These days, builders buy options rather than purchasing the land outright whenever possible. Options give builders the right to buy land at a later date at a set price.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-09-07 19:59:15

Polly, Reuben, et al,

Happy New Year! Shana tova!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 20:03:26

This legislation is likely to cast a long-lasting pall over the U.S. economy. It would have been wise to at least wait for the Great Recession to end before going berserk with ill-conceived remedies. It might be a good time for those Americans with international alternatives to consider them, as the free enterprise capitalistic system which made America a great economic power is doomed if this legislation is not soon overturned.

Given the insurmountable political challenge of successfully driving a stake through the heart of heads-Wall-Street-wins, tails-Main-Street-loses too-big-to-fail bailout policy, perhaps this is the best possible financial reform.

* FEDERATION FEATURE
* AUGUST 31, 2010

The Dodd-Frank Act: Creative Destruction, Destroyed
By PETER WALLISON

From the American Enterprise Institute

The dominant theme of the 2,300-page Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act is fear of instability and change, which the act suppresses by subjecting the largest financial firms to banklike regulation. The competitiveness, innovativeness, and risk taking that have always characterized U.S. financial firms will, under this new structure, inevitably be subordinated to supervisory judgments about what these firms can safely be allowed to do. But the worst element of this system is that the extraordinary power given to regulators–and particularly the Federal Reserve–is likely to change the nature of the U.S. financial system. Where financial firms once focused on beating their competitors, they will now focus on currying favor with their regulator, which will have the power to control their every move. What may ultimately emerge is a partnership between the largest financial firms and the Federal Reserve–a partnership in which the Fed protects them from failure and excessive competition and they in turn curb their competitive instincts to carry out the government’s policies and directions.

Comment by ACH
2010-09-07 20:53:26

Hmm, I don’t know. It seems that the financial firms ignored their regulator, so I guess they would be spending time showing that they are complying. Take away some innovationary spirit? You mean the kind of innovation that gave us subprime and MBS, SIV,CDO, etc.

How is this a bad thing?

Roidy

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 23:47:51

“How is this a bad thing?”

Imagine a man who goes into the OR for a heart transplant, and comes out with an ass’s tail surgically attached to his coccyx, but no new heart.

“What may ultimately emerge is a partnership between the largest financial firms and the Federal Reserve–a partnership in which the Fed protects them from failure and excessive competition and they in turn curb their competitive instincts to carry out the government’s policies and directions.”

Back To the Future regulatory policy!

 
 
 
Comment by yensoy
2010-09-07 21:05:42

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11219411

Zombies take over Baltimore University curriculum

Horror fans are expected to be drawn by the course
It is a class to die for - Zombie studies is now on the curriculum at Baltimore University.

The new course, which promises to “get you ready for a zombie apocalypse”, invites students to devour classic zombie films and comics.

… and that’s why America needs to continue to import qualified workers from other countries.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 23:34:32

Karzai’s brother made nearly $1 million on Dubai deal funded by troubled Kabul Bank

By Andrew Higgins
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, September 8, 2010

DUBAI, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES - The brother of Afghan President Hamid Karzai made nearly $1 million on a Dubai property deal financed with money from Kabul Bank, according to a person familiar with the transaction and a property sales registry.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-07 23:42:14

I felt like the voice of one crying in the wilderness several years ago when I used to pontificate on the HBB regarding the moral hazard problem with bailouts. Now it seems like almost everyone gits it; in due time, I expect everyone will git it, bar none.

WSJ Blogs
Deal Journal
An up-to-the-minute take on deals and deal makers.

* September 3, 2010, 11:18 AM ET

Kabul Bank: Moral Hazard Personified

Deal Journal HOME PAGE
By Michael Corkery

Ok, critics of the U.S. bank bailouts, you warned about moral hazard. Well, here it is.

In Afghanistan, investors in Kabul Bank are counting on U.S. support to stem a run on the country’s largest bank.

“America could support Kabul Bank to the last penny,’’ Mahmood Karzai, the Afghan president’s brother and largest bank investor, said in a WSJ interview. “The full faith and credit of the U.S. government behind the Kabul Bank–what more could you want?”

And why shouldn’t the Kabul Bank expect a bailout? Washington provided $700 billion to rescue U.S. financial institutions in 2008. The FDIC has estimated it could cost an additional $100 billion to cover the costs of banks that have failed since the global financial crisis.
Then, there is Europe. In May, the European Union, with help from the International Monetary Fund, plied troubled European banks with nearly a trillion dollars in aid. That came on top of the billions of dollars spent in 2008 propping up many of those same European banks. Afghanistan, which is receiving billions in humanitarian and military assistance from both the U.S. and Europe, is arguably a ward of both those states. What’s a few more billion to back up a failing Afghan bank?

Another reason bolstering Kabul Bank’s argument for a bailout: Its executives seemed to have followed the western play book for ruining their bank.

As the WSJ points out, Kabul Bank is accused of giving “clandestine” loans to themselves and Afghan government insiders.” These loans sound like the Afghan version of the special mortgage loans that Countrywide gave to “Friends of Angelo” Mozillo, the former CEO, who is now under investigation for hiding risk from investors. Mozillo’s “friends” included several members of U.S. Congress.

Still not convinced? Consider the roots of Kabul Bank’s current cash crunch. The bank’s assets are almost equal to its liabilities, but much of its asset base is illiquid and hard to value. Among Kabul’s illiquid assets: investments in Dubai real estate, which has suffered a U.S.-style bust. Clearly, Lehman Brother’s former chief Dick Fuld can relate to this predicament.

 
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