The Reno paper had a longish story about their local residential RE market.
What struck me was this guy who thought he’d finance a retirement - in Texas - with his house in Reno. There are so many things that don’t make sense in his story.
Texas is a poor choice for retirement. Having no state income tax they really sock it to you on property tax. Right when this guy retires to a lower income, he wants to move to Texas?
It would make more sense, with respect to the job market and to taxes, to work in Texas and retire to Reno!
I guess I never understood the siren call of RE investing in Reno of all places. There was a story about a year ago about some dufus schoolteacher in someplace like Walnut Creek or Lafayette (CA) that took 100% of her retirement savings to buy 10 houses in Reno with minimal downpayment. She obviously went bankrupt. Investing 100% in RE is insane. Even investing a smaller portion but putting it all into one market is insane.
Reno has it’s attractions. Most importantly for people with family ties to California: it’s not in California but is geographically close.
While a change in seasons is obvious, the weather is never too hot or too cold for long. Not much snow, sometimes none.. close to Tahoe. The city’s outlying areas are mostly desert but there are nice spots too. Get outside the county and nobody cares what you’re up to… enviro-laws are minimal.
There are very nice forested little cubbyholes within Reno city limits if you know where to look. Nearby towns are about the same.
Casinos.. hospitals.. an international airport.. Cost of living is average..
I’ve been interested in Reno and have spoken with lots of locals. They say attempts to raise property taxes have been futile.
It was hit pretty hard by the bubble and prices are destined to be as low as anywhere. But it’s way too early to buy there. I give it 2 years or so..
I love that place. And the air races every year…about this time. I would love to live there. Snowboarding/sking…motorcyle both road and dirt.
lane
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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-15 08:12:11
Oooo! Ooooo!
I so want to go to the air races one of these years!
Comment by Lane from s.c.
2010-09-15 08:19:44
It is a neat thing to see. The wife and I took my parents out there a few years back…I knew my mom could care less about the air races…she loved it! Its a amazing sport but they have had some bad luck lately…its a very unforgiving sport.
Lane
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-15 08:20:03
Plus it’s a short drive to the annual Burning Man festival….
Comment by In Montana
2010-09-15 08:32:49
I played music in the Reno-Carson-Tahoe area back in the day, and always thought the weather there was lovely. You could do a lot worse than live and work there.
What city is pretty when viewed in daylight at ground level? A town might be, but not a mature city with freeways, mini-malls and cars.
Reno started life as a toll booth at a bridge that spanned the Truckee river, and was built on money from freight and trucks stopping for lunch on their way over the Sierras to California. It’s a huge truck stop.
I’m surprised it didn’t turn out to be uglier than it is.
Reno is a dying town. The economy is highly dependent upon gaming, and when the Indian casinos started cropping up in CA, OR, WA, etc., cutting deeply into revenue, Reno and its leadership failed to read the writing on the wall and diversify. With construction-another major industry- on its ear given the housing bubble, unemployment is running around 14%.
The future of Reno is not so bright at the moment. I’d guess they are experiencing population loss, now. While it may be a good place to retire for those with a nice nest egg, making a living there is another story. It’s probably one of the worst places to invest in real estate given high unemployment and high vacancies.
Gonna be a great day. I feel so much better now that I’ve paid for a bunch of WS ultra-rich types to keep the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed.
If I would just stop being a saver and start living debt, then I would be happy and prosperous, too.
There’s a 3rd alternative. Take some of your savings and put it to work. Invest it.
Then, the WS rich types will pay you.. instead of the other way around.
Let’s see:
The stock market is rigged by the big investment houses and program traders;
Municipal bonds are fraught with the hazard of cities/schools/etc defaulting in this ongoing recession;
Treasuries are subject to the whims of the Chinese and the massive overspending by our own illustrious gov’t;
Precious metals should never be more than a small fraction of one’s portfolio;
Cash is earning zip.
But do it at a community college. The major universities are having a bubble of their own right now.
Comment by Elanor
2010-09-15 10:10:59
Packman, the more I learn, the less confident I feel about any of the above investment vehicles. However, I do have a portfolio that includes munis, Treasuries, TIPS and I bonds. Far and away, the I bonds have been my best performers over the past few years. Of course they were purchased at a time when the fixed component was over 3%. The good old days!
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-09-15 15:53:33
Community colleges have seen massive run-ups in tuition and book prices, too. The greed is despicable.
Cargo containers-full of durable necessities– aspirin, dental floss, toilet paper, toothpaste, vodka–and defensible land on which to park them.
And lotsa cheap 10K gold jewelry one can barter for a container of gas or a bag of groceries. (”It’s my mother’s wedding ring, you see….”)
Perhaps relevant side note:
Last week in an attempt to discourage marauding grackles and jays from stripping my orchards, I searched Bakersplat in vain for .22 birdshot. None to be had anywhere. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
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Comment by packman
2010-09-15 09:33:56
Cargo containers-full of durable necessities– aspirin, dental floss, toilet paper, toothpaste, vodka–and defensible land on which to park them.
Specifically would you recommend the aspirin-based ETF, or the Ibuprofin-based ETF?
Good to see you, ahansen! Love your suggestions. Especially the vodka.
Comment by ahansen
2010-09-15 10:50:28
Hi guys!
Good one, pack. LOL.
Snickering from the sidelines here as our TeaParty shoots itself in the collective feet.
Of Christine O’Donnell’s not-so-surprise victory in the Delaware Senate primary, Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol gives us the reassuring (?) assessment, she’s “no Sarah Palin.”
Elanore.. you ever read the parable of the talents?
One servant buried his talent and, although it’s original value was preserved, he was punished.
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Many people are making money (almost) every day because they’ve invested in all those rigged, unstable, hazardous things you mentioned.
A person can only work so hard for so many hours of the day before they must rest… and that limits their wealth accumulation. To increase wealth beyond that limit, one must permit someone or something to work for them.
Invest in some portion of the world’s various forms of business enterprises and the whole world will work and earn money for you, even while you sleep.
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Comment by packman
2010-09-15 10:14:26
Pretty sure the parable of the talents had nothing to do with money or investing.
Comment by Elanor
2010-09-15 10:15:03
Yea yea yea. I used to believe that. I still have mutual funds in all the proper allocations including a good chunk of foreign markets. Perhaps knowing too much about the shenanigans of the Really Big Players on the global stage has made me a tad jaded. But my financial advisor won’t let me cash in all the chips and put them under a mattress.
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-15 11:12:51
packman.. money OR investing? I think the parable had something to do with investing.
Lots of things besides money can be invested. Lots of things benefit nobody if they are buried.
Comment by packman
2010-09-15 13:23:26
By investing I was meaning things related to money that aren’t necessarily money directly - e.g. investing your time in a business or whatever. The parable is about actually about investing, but specifically in spiritual growth.
Comment by packman
2010-09-15 13:26:36
“spiritual and/or personal growth”, I should say. The line between is gray, though the parable could be said to apply to things that are not necessarily spiritual (like physical talents), though in some respect the act of spreading non-spiritual talents is in itself an act of spiritual growth.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-09-15 14:01:46
When the Parable of the Talents was written, ‘talent’ was a unit of money, and did not in any way mean ’skill’ or ‘knack’, as it does now. Interestingly, that meaning for talent comes directly from this parable, as it began to be perceived by many as being an exhortation not to hide your talent/skill/ability .
Originally, it probably meant not to hide the teachings of Jesus away, but to share them with others. That’s what made the ‘master’ happy, and brought you into his presence (ie heaven).
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-09-15 14:20:36
Kind of like how coveting your neighbor’s ass has come to have a different meaning from its original.
Catholics and Lutherans are more particular about such matters, and have a separate commandment against coveting your neighbor’s wife *and* against coveting his stuff. Most everyone else combines the two into one- and for them the double meaning works fine.
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-15 15:52:06
Some people find a spiritual interpretation for every word and phrase in the Bible. I see more than a little practical, earthly guidance and wisdom.
I haven’t studied that particular parable. The part where the master is accused of and admits to “Reaping that which he has not sown” or “reaping where he has not thrown hay” is confusing and a mystery to me..
Anyway… money, talent, skills, beauty, brains etc are a “blessing” imho, and we rightly should invest them, or exercise them, or grow them for our own benefit and for the benefit of our family and the world. Otherwise those blessings were wasted on us.
You have hit the issue squarely. Investing. I cannot invest in the Stock Markets like I used to 20 years ago. I got nervous during the 1987 crash. Since then the stock markets have become a casino. Heck, even the CNBC and Bloomberg talking heads are up front about the whole thing being a betting parlor. They openly talk of “placing your bets.”
I’m into investments that I can understand. I know there will be risk, but that risk should be knowable. Fro example, if I invest in oil, which I have done in the past, I would know the current oil market demand, projected future demands, where the exploration is currently done, difficulty of extraction, etc. So, I would evaluate risk as higher for a 1 mile deep well another mile under the sea than a Permian Basin well in W. Texas.
These are bad times for small investors. Nobody can be blamed for seeking safety.
Big boys.. well.. they have lots of extra money to put at risk. They are far more likely to profit from a recession for that reason. Buy low and wait.
I don’t begrudge people for having lots of money because, 9 times out of ten, someone on the family tree worked their asses off and got the ball rolling. Maybe it was way back in 1910.
Well, it’s now 2010 and the question is: Will my descendants have any real money or will they be like me?
It’s my decision. Not theirs.
Maybe that’s why housing is somewhat holding its own here in NW Florida. Investors feel some measure of control and comfort with buying bank foreclosures at 50% off bubble prices versus “investing” at the Wall Street Casino.
I wonder if ancient egyptian peasants had a parchment-blog to rant their frustrastions about the corrupt greedy pharoes. Like the grains of sand in an hourglass…
2nd that. But not much of a grammar checker. (I’m making fun of me I just type too fast)
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-15 19:20:01
So, just for kicks, I copy pasted pressboardbox’s post. Two more misspellings.
egyptian (Egyptian)
frustrastions (frustrations)
pharoes (pharaohs)
Yeah, it’d be nice to have a smart spell checker.. one that nos (plural form of no) the difference between knows and nos and nose, and what the appropriate word is.
Speaking of which.. give Windows 7’s new and improved Speech Recognition a try. It’s the best I’ve ever used. Interprets your spoken words in context.. I have it on another computer and might start using it to post here.
Unless you are one of the lucky few these days, your company already owns your 401K in that they can direct how it’s invested and decide on a whim not to match anything.
And the government doesn’t care about your IRA, Wall St. does.
Another worthless political lifer gets his azz handed to him, by one of those tea party nuts. These wins really drive the bed wetting, thumb sucking party hacks crazy and nervous. Good!
Tea Party-Backed O’Donnell Stuns in Delaware Senate Primary(AP)
Tea Party favorite Christine O’Donnell soundly defeats veteran politician Mike Castle for the Republican Senate nomination in Delaware, posing a major upset to the political establishment.
“veteran politician Mike Castle ”
A verteran politician. Never done anything productive in their lives. Lying to the public, spending hard earned tax payer money, giving favors to his friends/contributors, hanging out with the elites, getting paid by special interest, living the good life and then getting upset by one of those crazy teabaggers. What’s the world coming too?
The tea party is an accumulation of the discontend and the disillusioned. Some are completely crazy (Sarah Palin types & worse) while others are more grounded in reality and actually have a viable plan.
Still, I love it when a “veteran politician” gets thrown out of office. Lifelong leech got removed from its host, gotta love it!
Great post Mike. What’s incredible to me is that, one of the high hopes I had for the internet was, with millions of eyes on ‘all’ of our comings and goings, it just didn’t seem possible… for those ‘in’ the public eye to conduct themselves in a manner inconsistent w/ the public’s best interest?
The sheeple are too busy watching American Idol and its clones.
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Comment by DinOR
2010-09-15 08:37:29
In Colorado,
I’m not doubting that, and we can’t ‘all’ be bubble-bloggers. But can we just for a minute stop using American Obama as our excuse for our every shortcoming?
The show ( and the wife happens to like it btw ) is seen by millions of viewers every week. It also NOT seen but untold sums greater. Unlike basketball, it does not run year ’round.
Not going to church doesn’t mean you’re an intellectual and not watching AI doesn’t mean you have the country’s best int. @ heart?
Comment by varelse
2010-09-15 09:42:47
“But can we just for a minute stop using American Obama as our excuse for our every shortcoming?”
Obama is the blackhead on the zit(not a racial reference). The whole zit needs to be popped.
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-09-15 10:17:38
Usually it’s a whitehead when the zit is ready to be popped. I big, almost pulsating, shiny whitehead that makes you a little sick even before it spews its puss and blood all over.
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-15 13:43:18
“…..pulsating shiny whitehead….”
Gee, thanks. I was eating lunch when I scrolled upon this little pearl.
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-09-15 14:10:18
It’s part of my new diet book “Gross Yourself Thin!”
“In a radio interview last June, she lied about not having a federal tax lien on her house despite the fact that anyone with a modest ability at using search engines could find it. When the bank threatened to foreclose on her house, serving her personally with papers, she chalked it up to a “technical error by the bank” despite the fact that once again, anyone who bothered to do a little searching could find the mortgage company’s filing.
It turns out that O’Donnell is a deadbeat. She stopped paying her mortgage in October of 2007 while the bank filed the papers in March of 2008 to seize the house. She refused to contest the case and a summary judgment of foreclosure was entered against the property in May. According to a Lexis-Nexis search, the foreclosure was “stayed” – the house had been foreclosed but the sheriff sale had not commenced – when she sold the house to her boyfriend and legal counsel who then paid the outstanding balance as well as more than $2,000 in interest and legal fees.
When questioned about all of this, she has continuously and shamelessly lied. She has attributed the tax lien to “thug politics” and actually denied the property had a lien in the first place. She denied she sold her home while it was in foreclosure despite clear evidence to the contrary.
For months, O’Donnell denied her house had ever been in foreclosure. She simply stopped making payments in October 2007 and never made any move to contest the proceedings and would not “appear, plead or otherwise defend” herself against the mortgage company filing.
The lies don’t stop there. Incredibly, she owes her employees from the 2008 campaign thousands of dollars in unpaid salary and expenses.
Aides who worked for Ms. O’Donnell’s 2008 campaign against then-Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. claim that she withheld thousands of dollars in promised salary and never reimbursed them for out-of pocket expenses.
“Once I and others found out about her personal financial crises and her degree, we left,” David Keegan, a former aide, told The New York Times on Friday. “We were constantly trying to hold her back from spending. She was financially completely irresponsible.”
Lets somebody else rob the coffers and hag out with the elite. Doesn’t politics attract morally comprised people? Isn’t what she did a prerequisite for being a politician?
What-A-Shock lol
Really it is kind of sad and awful
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Comment by In Montana
2010-09-15 08:48:12
It does seem to attract a lot of feckless freebooters. It’s hugely disruptive to run for office, esp at the bottom rungs where you risk it all for part-time, poorly paid work. Lots of self employed guys run and let their businesses go to hell while they’re in office. You have to be nuts or unusually ambitious to subject yourself to that.
The only ones it really makes sense for are the rich or comfortably retired govt workers…but they’re old and all that.
On that page, all the links where she supposedly defends herself or lies or responds are “404 Not Found” dead links..
I get very suspicious when things don’t make sense.. What possible reason is there for lying if it’s such an easily disproved lie?
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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-15 07:40:29
I would not expect you to be so naive, Joey. Of course she’s a liar, and the reason for lying is that she just got $327,000 in campaign money, and expects millions more in the next 6 weeks before the election. She will take a page from Sarah Palin, pay off all her debts, get a new wardrobe and go on the tea party celebrity trail, even if she loses the election.
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-15 08:41:28
REhobby.. If the desire for just a little bit of proof which substantiates some really unbelievable claims is called naivety, then I’m guilty.
Comment by varelse
2010-09-15 09:46:07
I’ve seen alot of criticism of O’Donnell but almost all of it comes from agenda driven partizan websites. Something to keep in mind.
The Tea Party does do a bad job of vetting their candidates though.
Tea Party is against net neutrality and used their foaming mouths to get other conservative groups that had supported net neutrality such as Gun Owners of America to pull their support. The only people who are against net neutrality are the large internet providers that have spent millions lobbying against it and I suspect buying off key members of the Tea Party to get the foaming mouths to pressure other conservative groups.
The result will be the cabilization of the internet with higher fees or slower speeds or broken connections if you stray from approved content.
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Comment by GH
2010-09-15 09:28:35
The internet has been called the great equalizer… Every major corporation and govt wants it curtailed. I am frankly surprised it stayed open as long as it has…
From what I’ve been reading, the Dems are doing political triage, supporting only those candidates who voted for Obamacare, etc. Some Dem candidates will be left to twist in the wind.
I remember when Kerry was running against Bush, and I was listening to a local PBS radio show. Some campaign worker for Kerry in Sarasota called in to say they couldn’t get any help from the party or even the main campaign headquarters and they were floundering and needed assistance. To this day I’m convinced Kerry threw the election, he actually had a chance.
Hi eastcoaster. I just read yesterday’s posts, and am happy that you and your son are nicely settled.
Mikey’s posts are a hoot, too! Sounds like the bank won’t sell him that house. But I’m just as happy. I can’t picture him in a ginormous house in Wisconsin.
“Mikey’s posts are a hoot, too! Sounds like the bank won’t sell him that house. But I’m just as happy. I can’t picture him in a ginormous house in Wisconsin.”
What!?!
…and why not ?
Did I mention that the house comes with a FREE gopher…I have seen him! I will call him Eddie.
How many of you are gonna get a little pet gopher when you by a house ?
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Comment by mikey
2010-09-15 17:18:13
It sure beats sitting in a shuttle bus on Xmas Eve in the Frankfurt Airport snowflakes, waiting to board a plane back to the Middle East.
Years ago, when I started to meet myself in cold lonely airports during the holidays, it was time to get out of that game.
I have friends nearby, a fireplace and always have coffee. The airport and big city is a safe 35 minutes away by freeway.
That ginormous house in Wisconsin…just
picture me…if I get it.
Did I mention that I have coffee for friends ?
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-15 20:07:09
I’m just sayin, Mikey. If you end up in 3000 sq ft, you’re going to have to start reproducing to fill up the rooms! Mikey junior, Michaela, Mickey, Michelangelo, Michelle . . . . .
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2010-09-15 20:49:01
Coffee is for closers.
Comment by mikey
2010-09-16 07:05:13
“I’m just sayin, Mikey. If you end up in 3000 sq ft, you’re going to have to start reproducing to fill up the rooms! Mikey junior, Michaela, Mickey, Michelangelo, Michelle . . . . .”
Tease me if you want too. It is 3568 sq ft and I’m getting a go-cart or an ATV to zoom on around if I get it.
It also comes with a FREE pet gopher in the backyard.
Nut cases unite, and take America back where she belongs!
Tea Party’s New Star Is Nuts, says Karl Rove
Christine O’Donnell’s win in Delaware’s Republican Senate primary handed the Tea Party a valuable victory over the GOP establishment but may also have ceded the Democrats a relatively easy route to victory in November. Polls suggest that Democrat Chris Coons will have a far easier time claiming Joe Biden’s old seat against O’Donnell than he would have against Rep. Mike Castle, a 44-year political veteran. Republican leaders freely admitted that they now saw the race as a lost cause, with National Republican Senatorial Committee staffers saying they would divert funds to more competitive races. O’Donnell’s case wasn’t helped by the emergence last night of a clip from a 1996 MTV show showing the Senate hopeful railing against the perils of masturbation. “You can’t masturbate without lust!” she said, equating the practice to adultery. “There are just a lot of nutty things she’s been saying,” Karl Rove said last night. “This is not a race we’re going to be able to win.”
Read original story in Talking Points Memo | Wednesday, Sept. 15, 2010
“Christine O’Donnell’s win in Delaware’s Republican Senate primary handed the Tea Party a valuable victory over the GOP establishment but may also have ceded the Democrats a relatively easy route to victory in November.”
This is the key point I think is missed by the Tea Party supporters. I favor the Tea Party movement, but think that just going after the bad guys without regard to the overall result will be a disaster to the movement.
If this “election” costs the Republicans another seat, since their candidate is not electable in the general election, they have achieved nothing. I most sincerely wish to see Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the vast majority of Democratic Committee chairs thrown out. If the Tea Party removes winnable candidates from the Republican Party, the result will be a thrown election for the republicans. The Democrats will retain their seats as the majority party. If you are unhappy with the direction of the government over the last couple of years, then defeating the possible winners for Republicans is disastrous. It’s like having Ralph Nader or some other 3rd party candidate take away votes from their own side and remove them from the roster.
This gives the party in power the ability to win with a “plurality”, rather than a majority.
Consequently, I feel the Tea Party will end up doing more harm than good. They will take away votes from Republican candidates and assure a win for the democrats currently sitting in Congress.
Certainly one way of looking at it? Hell, I’m not about “propping up” the GOP, in spite of some of the straw arguments you’ll see here.
Like the guys that stormed the beaches on D-Day, I think most of them were resigned to the fact they’d probably never see home again? But if it ‘is’ to be ( then I’m going to take as many of those entrenched encumbents with me as I CAN! )
Sometimes in life, we find ourselves in such an utterly defeated position, we just have no choice other than to come out swinging! At this point, we should be counting Fallen Feifdoms ( not ’seats’ ) IMHO.
You are drinking the Dem kool aid. They want you to be disallusioned and worried. We’ve got too many country club RINOs in the GOP and they need to be culled.
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Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-09-15 17:36:14
Absolutely correct.
It’s odd how the liberals are wigging out. It’s the Neocons that presently are getting their clocks cleaned. Country-clubbers need to be ousted.
Whether liberal clubbers get wiped off the map will be decided November 2. I hope they get annihilated, too. They deserve to be.
Rove is a POS. He was running Castle’s and some other RINO’s campaigns and the Tea Party people cleaned Castle’s and his other client’s clock. Sour grapes Rove ! I always thought he was a bit greasy. Let’s pile on !
You sure are worried. And you’re right to be. The populace is fed up with Big Government. The increasing visibility of Tea Partiers is proof of increasing irritation and dismay of Big Government.
Nothing will change that increasing dismay. A hoard of Tea Partiers - even moronic ones- won’t change the overall trend of dismay.
The gig is up. If the Tea Partiers fail, something/someone else will step in to stop the Political Class and Big Governmnet.
The Tea Party is too heavily influenced by social conservatives in my opinion. If you want to win over independents, stick to the fiscal stuff. Stay out of our wallets AND our bedrooms, not our wallets OR our bedrooms.
I do enjoy the anti-incumbent/career politician sentiment though.
How can you have massive popular appeal but little political success? I think it’s because their popular appeal isn’t really that massive…their fans are just very noisy. And I say that as someone who would like to see them have more influence than they currently have.
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Comment by packman
2010-09-15 10:31:57
I think the answer is that there’s a large segment of the population that aligns more with Libertarian than Republican, but still votes Republican because they “don’t want to throw their vote away” (i.e. they don’t want the Dem to win).
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-09-15 10:38:30
Ugghh…yeah…there’s that. I don’t know what I’m going to vote for in the future, but I don’t want to be “that guy” ever again.
Comment by packman
2010-09-15 10:42:15
Me either.
I’d much rather take my chances on the “other party” winning by one vote, and “throw away my vote” lending slightly more legitimacy to a third party by casting my vote there, than instead throwing my vote away voting for the lesser of two evils.
Comment by varelse
2010-09-15 12:38:39
“I think the answer is that there’s a large segment of the population that aligns more with Libertarian than Republican, but still votes Republican because they “don’t want to throw their vote away” (i.e. they don’t want the Dem to win).”
Well that’s just it….you need something that has the passion of the Tea Party but that more closely resembles the libertarians. Maybe a bit less preachy and condescending than the libertarians, and with a bit more personality.
Comment by packman
2010-09-15 12:50:51
Maybe a bit less preachy and condescending than the libertarians
The problem is - it’s hard to create a sea change, based on the premise that recent administrations (going back N nears - take your pick) have royally screwed things up, without being preachy and condescending.
I agree. If the tea party had been strict constitutionalists and fiscal conservatives, I would consider voting for them. But it seems like the people they want to run are social conservatives, which I have no interest in ever voting for.
It’s a sad state of affairs when you almost have to vote for democrats if you don’t want to vote for social discrimination.
And the socially moderate republicans getting kicked to the curb for tea partiers makes it hard for the repubs to wrest control of congress back.
In a two party system, the ideal is that at least one of the legislative bodies is of the opposing party to the president, and the other is about 50/50.
That’s the problem I have with the Libertarians. They talk a good game about being libertarian in all matters, but on specifics, most every one I know, including many (though not all) around here, are anything but socially libertarian. They’re against gay marriage, against a mosque being built on private property, against BP getting sued by people they screwed. When push comes to shove, on social issues, and some economic issues(especially ones that involve any sort of lawsuit against a corporation), they don’t live up to their propaganda.
It makes me think they’re really just about paying no taxes, having no safety net whatsoever, ie nothing for the ‘welfare queens’ (except apparently for themselves- none are surrendering their SS or medicare), and having little or no legitimate financial or environmental regulation.
But as far as people really getting to let their freak flags fly? Sly allusions are made to rough local ‘justice’ which would apparently commence once the yoke of the Feds was removed.
In other words, a pseudo-populist/nationalist party. Their near-blind obedience to and support of a certain leader also has echoes. If that’s America’s third party, let’s keep it small.
Well, wmbz, all these Tea Partiers must be doing something right. They’re winning plenty of primaries and are driving liberal moonbats crazy. Just check out this board. Insta-Attack.
The Political Class HATES Tea Partiers.
Something finally is moving in the right direction.
She’s the typical republican….. angry, involved in everyones personal lives, sub-par intelligence, knee-reactionary rhetoric in lieu of thoughtful reason.
Mortgage Applications Index in U.S. Declines for a Second Week
The Mortgage Bankers Association’s index fell 8.9 percent in the week ended Sept. 10, the Washington-based group said today. Refinancing declined by 11 percent, while applications for purchases dropped 0.4 percent.
Demand for homes is being hampered by unemployment near a 26-year high. At the same time, lending rates near record lows may support refinance applications among homeowners who still have equity in their homes and can qualify for loans.
“Demand for homes is being hampered by unemployment near a 26-year high.”
Last night they had a story on the local TeeVee news about the disparity in pay between Federal goobermint jobs and benefits and similar private sector jobs. If you’re working for the goobermint, you got excellent benefits, pension and make on average about a third more. Private sector, in many cases no benefits and you’re sucking swamp water for pay these days.
I was thinking about this yesterday, but from the stand-point of worker mobility. It seems the private sector is entering a period where jobs will be shorter-termed, meaning workers will have to move more often to stay employed in their field (or what-ever their current field repeatedly evolves into).
Contrast that with government jobs which are generally more tied to a specific geographic location. Imagine what it would be like if school teachers had to relocate to a different state periodically to stay employed.
Now, think of the ramification on “settleing” and ‘home buying”. Those are 2 characteristics often cited for a nice, stable community. Government workers will have a much better opportunity to raise their kids in the same community and near the grandparents/family than a lot of private sector workers.
Another benefit that is often overlooked for government workers.
I work for a state university, which means that instead of just seeing patients, doing surgeries, and marketing myself in private practice, I’ve also been able to teach residents and medical students and do research. I can also see all types of patients, even indigent, which you can’t do in private practice if you want to make money. The variety has kept me sane, and I frankly don’t miss the money that my private practice buddies make.
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Comment by Elanor
2010-09-15 07:30:01
I am employed by a ginormous multispecialty group that in turn is owned by a “not-for-profit” hospital corporation I call the Borg. I don’t miss things like having to find a malpractice insurer, arranging my own health and disablility insurance, etc. The hospital has a pension plan, which is something I never had in private practice. But everyone in my department resents the confiscation of the fruits of our labor by the hospital administration. And there are doctors who won’t send us their lab work because we are the Borg. So I have well-mixed feelings about being an employee.
“If you’re working for the goobermint, you got excellent benefits, pension and make on average about a third more. Private sector, in many cases no benefits and you’re sucking swamp water for pay these days.”
Certainly true for the lower skilled w/o a college degree.
Yes, federal wages are MUCH flatter than thos in private industry. Certainly the CEOs of many middlin’ sized, secont tier companies make more than the POTUS.
“Private sector, in many cases no benefits and you’re sucking swamp water for pay these days.”
I wonder if the automakers have seen the light and understand that new auto sales are going to continue to shrink.
My “walking the dog” index indicates that new auto purchases in my neighborhood are way, way down when compared with just a few years ago. Use to be I’d see several cars and trucks with the tell tale temporary tag in the rear window. Now it’s one or two at most.
But auto execs don’t live in Colorado. They live in the industrial Midwest. New car tags are almost a prevelent now as they were 3 years ago in this part of the country. So an auto exec’s “walking the dog” index probably yields a different result than your’s.
Of course, those auto execs are probably wondering why actual national sales don’t match their “dog” index. Will probably disgard the actual sales numbers and blame the accountants for bad info when it comes to planning their next move.
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Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-15 10:43:31
Once the next leg down arrives they (auto execs) will remember wistfully the years (like 2010) when they sold as many as 11 million cars a year.
It’s nice to see bloggers catching the editorial mistakes that just don’t seem to get caught in the “main stream” press. I don’ think they have editorial boards that can discover the truth. In fact, I am more and more convinced that the papers write the story, and then go find the “facts” to support their views. It’s the only way we could get stories from such a deranged point of view.
I’m impressed, wmbz. My husband and son are going to try to remodel a bathroom in a couple of weeks. We bought a sink/vanity and toilet from Home Depot for $150 and we have a bunch of leftover vinyl flooring. My younger son is moving out of the foreclosure we bought. The bathroom was in bad shape when we bought it in 1/09, and now that our young slob is moving on, we’ll try to save money by having my husband and son do the work. We did a bathroom years ago in our first house - it was fun to lay the tile, etc., and it saved us a lot of money. I wouldn’t try a tub/shower, however. Luckily the tub/shower is in good shape.
Real IRA says it will target UK bankers
the guardian
Banks and bankers are now potential targets for the Real IRA, leaders of the dissident republican terror group have warned in an exclusive interview with the Guardian. Despite having only 100 activists they also said that targets in England remained a high priority.
In an attempt to tap into the intense hostility towards the banks on both sides of the Irish border they branded bankers as “criminals” and said: “We have a track record of attacking high-profile economic targets and financial institutions such as the City of London. The role of bankers and the institutions they serve in financing Britain’s colonial and capitalist system has not gone unnoticed.
“Let’s not forget that the bankers are the next-door neighbours of the politicians. Most people can see the picture: the bankers grease the politicians’ palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest. It’s essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims.”
It’s essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims.
No arguments there, but terror attacks are not the way to deal with this situation. Constitutional reforms would be much better. (I guess first England would have to HAVE a constitution.)
Oh they have a constitution, but it’s not written down. They claim it’s better that way. But after reading books like Bagehot’s “The English Constitution” I personally would have a hard time describing what is and is not constitutional under the British system.
Unlike the US constitution, in the UK the power lies with “crown in parliament” rather than with the people. There are essentially NO limits on what legislation parliament may enact. There is no “Art. I section 8 paragraph 8″ enumeration of permissible subject matter.
There is no independent supreme court. A panel in the House of Lords decides the constitutionality of legislation. How many US bills would be held unconstitutional if we used the Senate Judiciary Committee in lieu of a Supreme Court?
pb, there is nothing to prevent YOU from lending money to those who have a very shaky employment and credit history. Feel free to undercut the interest rates being charged by the banks.
Bill, apparently they did the loans to anyone with a pulse for the last few years with YOUR money. Now they are charging huge risk premiums for the same $hitty loans.
Channel 7 Evening News Los Angeles (last night) -A renter talks up renting, and a buyer talks about waiting,rental firm talks about deals… hooray!
This video segment on MSM is exactly what I’ve been waiting for.
I really like this five-year house price chart that is linked in the article, wipeout. Every spring there is a little zig up, followed by a big zag down in the winter. There should finally be some deals this January, I hope. Or we can wait until Jan 2012.
Whoops, I forgot to include the link to the chart. The one-year is on top; the five-year a little further down. I wish they had a ten-year, so we could really see where we’re headed.
Holy smokes! Say it ain’t so, Karl!
(He’s is the ‘Case’ in Case-Shiller.)
The slide in values and record-low interest rates may offer some bargains for property hunters. Prices have returned to historically affordable levels, said Karl Case, professor emeritus of economics at Wellesley College in Wellesley, Massachusetts, and co-creator of the S&P/Case-Shiller index. He estimates a bottom for prices in six months.
“It doesn’t take a tremendous number of people to turn the housing market, because only about 5 percent of the stock trades in a given year,” Case said in a telephone interview. “There’s still a lot of people who are employed, many of whom have been looking for the opportunity to buy.”
Cooperstown A-Frame
Case is an example of a homeowner waiting to sell because of low demand. He’s seeking to sell the A-frame on 15 acres near Cooperstown, New York, that he bought for $190,000 in 2005.
“I want to keep it if I can’t get what I want,” he said. “It’s a terrific little getaway and I’m not going to give it away.”
I have listened to Shiller and he shills for housing industry quite a bit.
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Comment by packman
2010-09-15 11:44:37
Yes, me too (it’s partly his job). He also (disappointingly) tends to be very pro-Fed.
However he seems to be a lot more realistic, in terms of realizing and stating how much pain is ahead. Plus he was, of course, the highest-profile indicator of the bubble and subsequent predictor of the crash.
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-15 17:43:58
+1 packman.
I’ve seen a number of quotes from Case over the years that had the telltale whiff of hope mixed with desperation when he would opine about the future.
I have generally not agreed with Shiller’s plees for the Fed to do even more, but I have thought his forecasts of the future far more likely.
To chime in stats a moment. In the current REO newsletter for the REIC I read:
12M mortgages currently in delinquent state
5.5M homes somewhere in the foreclosure process
900,000 homes in Realty Trac’s database w/ 300,000 of those in the national MLS database or sold.
Add all the loans yet to reset, and so forth.
This isn’t going to be over for a long time.
I just posted the article so we can all read what the MSM is telling the sheeples. I’m licensed in Ca, due to my former position with a REIT.
Mesa, Chandler (Arizona) receive $5.3 million to buy foreclosed homes - East Valley Tribune 9-14-10
Mesa and Chandler have secured $5.3 million in federal funds to continue buying foreclosed homes in especially troubled areas.
This is the second round of funds for the cities, which have gutted rundown homes and resold them to low- to moderate-income people. Also, some funds have refurbished apartments to be used by nonprofit organizations.
Mesa was awarded $4 million last week, in addition to $9.6 million it received previously. The city has used its first round of money after buying 37 homes and 33 apartments.
Mesa’s purchases have been south and east of downtown in the 85204 zip code, which suffers from the city’s highest foreclosure rate. The city has purchased some of the most blighted properties in that area, giving them a new look with paint, landscaping and interiors to buildings dating from the 1950s and 1960s.
“You get a practically new home when all is said and done,” said Ray Thimesch, who coordinates the city’s neighborhood stabilization program.
Mayor Scott Smith said he typically prefers to let market forces address problems, but he said government intervention was necessary to turn around some areas where developers aren’t willing to invest.
“This is an area where the market has failed us as a community,” Smith said.
Mesa is still renovating some homes, and will use proceeds from the sales to buy and restore other homes until the fund is depleted. The city aims to renovate about 50-60 houses.
Mesa’s new $4 million should allow it to renovate another 35 homes, Thimesch said.
($4 million / 35 homes = $114,285.71 per home worth of “renovations”. Most if not all of these places were worth much less than $114,000 before renovations.)
($4 million / 35 homes = $114,285.71 per home worth of “renovations”. Most if not all of these places were worth much less than $114,000 before renovations.)
Good point. And it’s one that’s been loudly made in Tucson, where a similar effort is underway.
Suing: Anthony and April Soper of Lake Stevens, Wash., might be part of a class action lawsuit against Bank of America over mortgage modification.
By Steve G. Schneider for USA TODAY
Are the homeowners profiled in the article “Loan modification snags spark suits” seriously expecting average Americans to support their lawsuit? The cover story refers to a couple in Lake Stevens, Wash., suing Bank of America because their $4,000 monthly mortgage was not permanently reduced (Money, Friday).
Photographs that accompanied the story show what appears to be a large luxury home and manicured lawn. Call me old fashioned, but I fail to see why U.S. taxpayers and Bank of America should subsidize extravagant home buyers with champagne tastes and beer budgets.
Helping folks dealing with chronic unemployment, disease or other tragedy is one thing. Using tax dollars to finance designer kitchens and professional landscaping is quite another. Even in the event of bankruptcy or foreclosure, it’s likely that the couple will continue to reside in their luxury home, free of payments, for two years before the bank actually takes the home back.
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At first I thought the article discussed was non-delinquent borrowers (e.g. like me) suing BofA for offering modifications to delinquent borrowers and not to non-delinquent borrowers, period. That’s a suit I’d love to take part in.
Alas - unfortunately it appears this unfair activity is actually federal policy, thus the suit probably wouldn’t go far.
packman
How about what happen to me w/ BofA. I wrote them about Foreclosures and Short Sales, asking for a list, and telling them I was going to be a cash transaction. They write me back, asking for loan information. It seems they can’t track down my loan. What loan?
Then I reply, asking for a retraction letter admiting their error, and nada. Remember when they foreclosed on a home the couple paid cash for in Florida? Well now its up to three homeowners, all paid cash. Well, with my luck, I want to CMA (we’re cash, too). Yikes, a file in their Loan Dept with my name on it scares me.
What I don’t understand is how this could happen? Even with a Non-Judicial Foreclosure you still need documents.
Mis-identification happens lot more than most people realize.
Most court operations are handled by the clerks and rote procedures. They rely upon the parties involved to provide accurate documents and have NO obligation to verify anything.
The first rule in this society is ironclad CYA.
You CAN lose everything overnight by some screw up by the courts and the most you might get back is “Oops, my bad.”
“I don’t see how it went down that much in those years. It should have gone up,” Says woman who refinanced her house in 2004 for $145,000 and is trying to sell it for $90,000
can’t access the story for technical reasons, but I’ll mention this…
Toledo Ohio’ s economy is closely linked to it’s close and larger neighbor to the north: Detroit. Apparently, this woman can’t see declining economic activity all around her.
My parents are like that. The city they live in has not changed much in 40 years, except for sporadic new houses and schools here and there. They look around and don’t see any economic decline, which is probably true in absolute dollars. What they don’t see is all the economic advancement the rest of the country has made in the past 40 years.
It’s people driving into the area from outside that are taken back by the 40 year lack of economic activity.
“What they don’t see is all the economic advancement the rest of the country has made in the past 40 years”
Wow… you nailed it. This is very much the case for my family and the natives who never left VT and there very upper reaches of upstate NY. They’re completely blind to the world outside their day to day sphere(30 mile radius).
40 years ago my hometown in Ohio had 48,000 people. Today it has about 52,000. But then again, it’s annexed some additional land so that probably acccounts for all of the increase… and then some.
This article points out the precise reason that it is absolutely essential for the PTB to ensure that another sharp decline in U.S. housing prices or in commercial real estate does not occur. The big question is whether this plan is feasible, given other constraints.
Banks bounce back, but can they handle next crisis?
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“They have more capital. Much better management of their liquidity. In general, they’re being more cautious,” says Simon Johnson, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “But the overall culture remains the same, and the system is largely unreformed.”
Last year’s government-run stress tests led to the nation’s 19 largest banks raising $205 billion in capital to buttress themselves against future losses. Another sharp decline in U.S. housing prices or in commercial real estate could yet hammer bank balance sheets. Likewise, if Europe’s major banks suffer significant losses on their holdings of government debt from countries such as Greece or Ireland, U.S. banks could feel the aftershocks. If the economy sinks into a double-dip recession, U.S. banks would need to raise an additional $80 billion in capital, the International Monetary Fund concluded this summer.
“Stability is tenuous. … Bank balance sheets remain fragile, and capital buffers may still be inadequate in the face of further increases in non-performing loans,” said the 51-page IMF study.
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My prediction - there’s decline ahead, but constant propping efforts (biggest of which being an indefinite continuation of ZIRP) will prevent a sharp decline - it’ll instead be a long slow grind; just shallow enough to keep enough FB’s locked in their homes so that the big banks can continue their profits, until eventually the inventory overhang is reduced to a manageable level.
That’s what I would consider a best-case-scenario (for the banks, and the short-term economy). Despite my prediction however I also wouldn’t rule out the possibility of another complete crash, possibly worse than 2008.
From your lips to God’s ears. Reid is trying to do as much damage as he can on the way out, attaching that horrid Dream Act to the Defense spending bill. He has my best wishes for a lousy retirement.
Perhaps you think I’m kidding when I demand that anti-Government foamers cut off the seniors. I’m not.
What you have is a generation that wanted more for itself, but didnt’ want to pay. What you hear is about doing less for future and younger generations, cutting taxes, increasing senior benefits, and borrowing to pay for it.
I’m prepared to get out of this EITHER way. But stop the hyporcrisy. The problem isn’t Democrats or Republicans or Bush or Obama. In fact, it isn’t Obama at all. It is those “at or over 55,” in the words of former President Bush.
Republicans have been pandering to them and selling out the future for 30 years. And Democrats have been, and are, gutless.
WT, I do get your point of view. But being in that mid-50s age range, I can tell you, we are the ones who will first be cut off, if it happens gradually. I’ve already accepted this. I don’t expect Social Security and Medicare to fund my retirement.
Two words that a senior fears most are “means testing”. Living in a retirement area, I can tell you that many of these seniors are completely oblivious. Some are great folks who worked hard all their lives. Some are complete loafs and actually quite nasty. In other words, they’re just like any other age range.
It is very possible that seniors, in the near future, will be cut off with a rude shock. I think it will happen suddenly rather than gradually, just like Castro’s massive government layoff.
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Comment by palmetto
2010-09-15 06:35:19
If you want to see a generation that considers themselves entitled, live in or near a middle class retirement community. These folks are constantly having smoke blown up their azzes through targeted senior advertising and marketing. Anyone seen the Hoveround commercials? Testimonials from folks looking like they’ve won the lottery because they have a motorized wheelchair “AT NO COST TO ME!”. Arrrgghhh!
And then you’ve got the “I’m on a fixed income” mantra. I’ve learned how to handle that razzmatazz. When some oldster gives me that guff as an excuse not to do or buy something, I give them a huge smile and tell them how great it is and how lucky they are, most people don’t have any sort of income to count on these days.
And I think I might have mentioned the other day some lady on line with me at the Post Office asking if I still worked (like it was something to be pitied). I said “Of course, someone has to pay into Social Security”.
Comment by WT Economist
2010-09-15 07:23:37
Right. So we can have:
1) A government-funded health care system that promises unlimited money to everyone, and go broke.
2) No government-funded health care system, and have the non-rich face poverty, ill health and early death as they age — instead of just facing that until age 65, when they win the lottery.
Or.
3) A government funded health are system that provides a basic, non-escalating level of care for all, with people free to purchase more on their own, and no whining about “death panels.”
I happen to favor number three, but I’ll settle for two — if today’s seniors are cut off right now and we pay off their national debt instead.
Comment by DinOR
2010-09-15 07:26:38
palmetto,
Good for you! Great attitude ( great lines ) Can’t -wait- until I get the first opportunity to shoehorn them into a conversation!
You’re… on a ‘fixed’ income!? ( Hey, could you spot me a couple of bucks? )
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-09-15 07:57:05
Have you ever noticed how people born before around 1950 or so, especially guys, will often make a point of telling you how old they are, even when it has no particular bearing on the conversation. “Well, I’m 65, and bla bla bla …” Well, most people do live into their 60’s and 70’s, it’s not like it’s a great accomplishment just to live to that age. But the mentality is that just being a certain age confers some special status, or entitles you to something.
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-15 08:28:42
“And then you’ve got the “I’m on a fixed income” mantra.”
Those losers don’t realize that pretty much anyone who earns more than a menial wage these days is salaried and doesn’t get overtime pay.
Comment by WT Economist
2010-09-15 08:29:32
Heck, I’ll be 50 next year. Doesn’t that entitle me to AARP membership and lower prices at McDonalds?
And a mere five years later, according to the public employee unions, I should never have to do anything for anyone else ever again! (Or at least that would be true if I still worked for the government).
Comment by PNC
2010-09-15 08:29:56
You ought to see them clamoring for extra strokes on the golf course!!!!
Heck, I’ll be 50 next year. Doesn’t that entitle me to AARP membership and lower prices at McDonalds?
I periodically get the AARP’s e-mails. Up until recently, it was impossible to unsubscribe from them. But someone musta fixed that, because I can now click on a link and get rid of them. For a while, at least.
And what’s my beef against the AARP? Well, for one thing, the senior entitlement mentality that others have been describing.
Also, the fact that it’s a business. A big business. But it dons the mantle of a group that’s looking out for the poor little old ladies and gentlemen, which is supposed to make the rest of us feel all warm and fuzzy toward it.
It may surprise you to discover that we have been expecting this. I went to work at age 13, and have paid taxes and social security since 1965. ALL of it went to the “greatest generation” who didn’t pay a fraction of what they received. Imagine how much better off I’d be, if the world had adopted your attitude in 1965! Those of us who saw this coming are prepared, most are not. What you need to accept is, that the baby boomers vote, and you won’t be able to cut them off. Maybe the best plan would be to eliminate future benefits to anyone under 40, then their children wouldn’t be caught in this Ponzi scheme.
Special Report: Blue-collar, unemployed and seeing red
FERNDALE, Michigan (Reuters) - Scott Stevenson was only 10 years old when he first heard grown-ups voice the gloomy words that, in retrospect, predicted the disappointing arc his life has taken.
“I remember them actually telling us that our generation would be the first not to be better off than our parents,” said the 39-year-old Stevenson. “It was fifth grade and I remember thinking, ‘How do you know?’”
Three decades later, the pessimistic prognostication he was so quick to dismiss as a boy now seems, as he put it, “like a prophecy.”
Stevenson is one of the 14.9 million U.S. workers who are officially jobless, according to the latest statistics from the U.S. Department of Labor. More depressingly, he is also among the 6.2 million unfortunate enough to have been that way for 27 weeks or more — a beleaguered cohort that the government dubs the “long-term unemployed.”
Over the past four years, Stevenson has lost almost everything. His $38,000-a-year factory job as well as the three-bedroom home it helped him buy are gone. Two years ago, when his mortgage company finally foreclosed on him, he moved into the basement of his parents’ home.
“I hate it,” he said. “It’s driving me nuts. I’m almost 40 years old and I’m not able to take care of myself. But I don’t have any other option.”
In June, after 99 weeks on the dole, his unemployment benefits ran out. He hasn’t had to sell his truck and work tools — yet — and he recently picked up some temporary contract work that put a little cash in his pocket. But he spends most of his days at his parents’ home, trawling the Internet for jobs that don’t pan out or playing computer games — “anything,” he said, “that doesn’t cost money.”
On warm days, he takes his bike out for a ride around the neighborhood. It’s an older subdivision than where he lived, filled with solid-looking but modestly sized brick homes.
It sits alongside I-696, a highway dedicated to Walter Reuther, the union organizer whose strikes against Ford Motor Co and General Motors in the early 1940s forced the U.S. car industry to recognize the United Auto Workers union. In the process, Reuther helped produce this country’s blue-collar, middle class, a group whose prosperity helped shape the post-war U.S. economy and was, for decades, the envy of workers worldwide.
Reuther died in 1970 and the dream he helped create began unraveling soon thereafter as employment in manufacturing — the sector that, together with construction, reliably sustained the blue-collar middle class — steadily shrank.
But the U.S. recession and the nearly simultaneous restructuring of the auto industry have delivered the most savage one-two punch that class has absorbed in a generation. Of the more than 8 million U.S. jobs lost in the downturn, nearly half were in either manufacturing or construction — higher-wage sectors that traditionally provided entry-level jobs that turned into well-paying careers jobs for people like Stevenson, whose formal education stopped after high school.
In a midterm election year, where the economy is issue No. 1, his plight and that of millions of men and women like him helps explain the sagging support for President Barack Obama’s Democratic party, which is expected to see its majorities in the House of Representatives and Senate eroded in the November 2 vote.
One of the people voting Republican that day will be Stevenson’s mom, 63-year-old Joan Stevenson. The daughter of a machinist and a self-described “Jack Kennedy Democrat,” she voted for Obama in 2008 but has been disappointed by how little his administration’s polices have helped unemployed workers like her son.
“The Democratic Party isn’t what it used to be for us,” she said. “The philosophy used to be if the Democratic Party was in power everybody got a piece of the pie, and if the Republicans were in power the rich got a piece of the pie. Now, nobody is getting a piece of the pie.”
Scott is a young single guy. He can move out of Michigan and find a job somewhere else. There is no reason for him to stay. His mother is an enabler, and I think it’s hilarious that she thinks that any pol of either party will find her son a job!
( What we at The Onion like to refer to as “downward mobility” )
Roight! As Ben has warned time and again, many of us here whined that The Bubble was the ’cause’ of all our problems! ( Myself included ) used it as a crutch, a credit card with NO spending limit!
Now it’s Obama this and the gubmint that. You’re 39 ( God I’d give anything to be that age again! ) and have two good arms and two good legs, he was able to ride his bike anyway, sack up and move on.
It’s important to remember that roughly half the population has an IQ of less than 100, which means they really aren’t fit to do anything other than menial work. The guy probably graduated HS with a C- average.
And besides, what trades do they teach at CCs? I would say that most are construction related. I hguess he could learn to be a car mechanic if they have that kind of program available.
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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-15 08:49:41
Hey, that’s not true in Lake Wobegon!
Comment by DinOR
2010-09-15 09:14:20
In Colorado,
Please tell me that last post was in jest. That was about the most arrogant ( and ignorant ) think I’ve seen posted here in a long, long time.
Comment by packman
2010-09-15 09:21:03
DinOR - you have to understand - many people have the belief that your lot in life is determined when sperm meets egg. What’s the point in trying to better yourself if you have limited cranial capacity?
That being said - that post is so out there it sounds tongue-in-cheek. If it’s not, then I agree it’s extremely arrogant and ignorant.
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-15 10:51:49
“Please tell me that last post was in jest. That was about the most arrogant ( and ignorant ) think I’ve seen posted here in a long, long time.”
Just saying that it’s unreasonable to expect people with low IQs to be able to learn some hi tech trade that requires brains. We love to drone on how people with low skill sets deserve poverty wages, but how realistic is it for the less intelligent to learn a profession that requires some above average gray matter? And these days most non menial jobs do require brains.
We’ve been more than happy to export the jobs the not so intelligent did, and now we expect them to become molecular biologists?
Comment by DinOR
2010-09-15 10:52:04
packman,
Yeah, don’t get me wrong, I get frustrated w/ a lot of these folks that were going along just fine in life ( then they hit (1) obstacle ) and they’re Basement Bound!
( Must be a song title somewhere I’m sure )
As I mentioned the other day, if we’re to move forward as a nation, we really need to get to the bottom of ‘why’ ppl feel entitled to use their un-employment cards at strip clubs and liquor stores?
Brow beating them because they don’t attend The Ressurected Church of The Sacred Housing Bubble isn’t helping matters! True, annointing them w/ victim status hasn’t worked but reaching out to them in a productive and concerned fashion won’t hurt any of ‘us’ either.
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-15 11:07:34
many people have the belief that your lot in life is determined when sperm meets egg. What’s the point in trying to better yourself if you have limited cranial capacity?
Forrest Gump was an entertaining movie, but reality is not like that. If you are of below average intelligence you will probably not do all that well in 21st century America.
And we wonder why so many people became realtors, mortgage brokers, etc?
As I mentioned the other day, if we’re to move forward as a nation, we really need to get to the bottom of ‘why’ ppl feel entitled to use their un-employment cards at strip clubs and liquor stores?
How many people actually do that? Does anyone know?
Comment by packman
2010-09-15 11:28:02
In Colorado,
I agree in principle - maybe. As technology advances, it appears, from a surface view at least, that it generally requires more intelligence to do the “average” job over time, as a large portion of below-average jobs (e.g. manufacturing) get automated and/or outsourced.
But I’m not so sure that principle applies across the spectrum of jobs though. There are a lot of “above average intelligence” jobs that are automated now too. MS Excel now does the job that used to be done by accountants. It used to require a degreed programmer to create a computer GUI interface or a web page - now there are tools out there that allow someone with just a lay person’s computer skills to do a GUI interface (or create a web page, etc.). Just look at what Ben’s done with this blog for instance ( just kidding Ben - seeing if you read everything). It’s now super-easy to create a web page via blogging tools out there.
Back to the general statement though, that below-100 IQ can only do “menial” jobs - I would disagree with that generalization; though it really depends on what you define as menial. Would you consider a sales clerk at a department store, or a specialty store, as menial? Could be, though I probably wouldn’t. How about a power line technician? Or a grade-school teacher? Seems to me none of those are menial, are not automate-able, but do not require someone of above-100 IQ.
P.S. Keep in mind that even though (by definition) half of the population has below-average IQ - the overall average IQ is not static - it has been rising over time. As a result IQ tests have to be occasionally re-baselined so that the average score is 100.
Comment by DinOR
2010-09-15 12:41:23
“and now we expect them to become molecular biologists”
Gag! Hack, hack… turning… blue! Help. I’m suffocating on STRAW!
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-09-15 14:36:00
Would you consider a sales clerk at a department store, or a specialty store, as menial? Could be, though I probably wouldn’t. How about a power line technician? Or a grade-school teacher? Seems to me none of those are menial, are not automate-able, but do not require someone of above-100 IQ.
My gut feel is that all three of those probably need to be above 100 IQ, except maybe the sales clerk…but then they better look good.
Comment by DinOR
2010-09-15 14:39:58
packman,
What I found incredible about the whole discussion ( and thank you for those excellent points of ref. btw! ) is that this entire freaking recession was described as a White Collar Recession from it’s very inception!
Unless anyone knows different? It was all the tech/fin. folks that were shown the door ‘first’! J6P and his buddies are still diggin’ a trench on a porkulus project ’somewhere’.
My gen. exp. about recessions is, the more qual’d you ‘are’ ( the more disappointed you’re going to be! )
Obama’s Health Tzar will give you the blue pill when you get sick. The guy running Obama motors to get $9,000,000 this year. Isn’t that just great. As to the IQ being about 100; that’s why we got Obama.
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-15 17:22:50
Remember the way to get into an Ivy league school is to dot every I and cross every t
And we expect those who get 4.0 or 1500+ on the SAT’s to be creative intuitive and can think outside the box for new solutions
I hope that myth is proven to be false once and for all.
Comment by neuromance
2010-09-15 18:18:12
In Colorado wrote:
Just saying that it’s unreasonable to expect people with low IQs to be able to learn some hi tech trade that requires brains.
Dinor wrote:
Please tell me that last post was in jest. That was about the most arrogant ( and ignorant ) think I’ve seen posted here in a long, long time.
Having worked in both the high IQ and low IQ world, and having been the among the smartest of a lower IQ group and among the stupider of a high IQ group, I can attest to the fact that not everyone is going to be able to do high IQ work.
It’s just reality. Intelligence is complex, but at the end of the day, it’s the result of physical processes. Suggesting everyone can do high IQ jobs is like suggesting everyone can be an NFL lineman.
Nature is very, very politically INcorrect. That brings to mind another quote though: “Nature is cruel. But we don’t have to be.” - Temple Grandin.
But - I think we do need to deal with facts and reality when trying to come up with social policies that have the most societal benefit.
“..‘why’ ppl feel entitled to use their un-employment cards at strip clubs and liquor stores?”
As this is just ignorant fear mongering, you never will “get the bottom of it.”
The biggest welfare queens in this nations are the large corporations. When they set the example of being able make it on their own, then you can start blaming the “lazy folk.”
Being the sweet a lovable guy that I am, I gave everybody another chance (for some unknown reason) to steal my money.
The lender wants 215k in their counter. Dream on, the shack probably lost 40k in value while you’ve guys have been dicking around for the past 3 weeks.
I went to Kinko’s and fired off the following ammendments to my origional offer to my RE agent.
1. Purchase price $195k
(my same original offer stays the same)
2.Deadline for lender approval is changed from Sept. 1, 2010 to on or before Sept. 24, 2010.
3. Seller still must replace the H2O softener.
4. Subject to inspections and so on is the same.
5. THIS IS THE BUYERS FINAL OFFER.
Essentially, I just gave the lenders Loss Mitigation guys the same old Contract, Price I gave them before EXCEPT their rejection kills the deal this time around.
Seriously, I know and understand where you are coming. It’s rough on everyone and especially the young trying to start out and looking towards their futures. Seems even the ever handy days of grabbing a shovel or broom jobs, just to tied you over until things get a little better, have all but disappeared.
The only thing the most older people can do in general is try to be supportive, help out when the kids are trying, keep a light in the window if things really crash for them and they need a chance to eat, rest, re-coup and get a fresh set of tires(between young and old friends) or a an on the side grubstake to get them going again.
I was fortunate enough to steer a young man that really needed a job and wanted to work into a job with friends a few weeks ago. It’s manual labor but it pays good and he is very happy. He thanked me several times but now he just gives me a smile and a grin whenever he swings by with his crew.
Right time, right place. Two years ago, my kid needed a summer job with them. They just weren’t hiring then.
Most older people were kids once, they probably have kids too. Many that I know, really hate what they are seeing today and be it simple job or the high cost of living, many empathize….with you. They have probably been in that situation themselves…once or twice.
Well at least you have a low expense house to give to your kids when you go…they may appreciate that a whole lot more then anything you give or leave them.
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When I get old I only hope I’m not making my children worse off. That would be unacceptable to me.
Yeah, what can I say, The next time my friends, neighbors and The President of the United States sends me to Vietnam, I’ll just poke everybody with a sharp, pointy stick to save money.
‘Even though the Japs have had a ZIRP for 15 years now …I wouldn’t call Japan’s attempt to prop up prices a failure…Without their ZIRP, I’m certain they would have experienced massive deflation’
Let’s skip over the derogatory “Japs” thing and examine this a bit further. It hasn’t been “their” policy, but a central bank policy. I don’t know if they elect their central bankers, but we sure don’t. We can’t even get an audit of “our” Federal Reserve. I don’t know how we can assess the success or failure of these programs without knowing what the heck is really going on.
But let’s focus on “our” central bank. Where in their setup does it say anything about propping up the price of anything? Of course, we’ll always be treated to the line, “it would have been a lot worse”!
And all of this ignores the damage these organizations have done.
Federal Reserve Board Vice Chairman Roger Ferguson said on Wednesday it may be impossible to know when an asset-price bubble is building”. He goes on to say that it may be improper for the Fed to slow down asset bubbles.
USA Today reported that Federal Reserve Governor Edward Gramlich publicly warned that subprime lending may be a problem. “The subprime incidence of mortgage brokers without a lot at stake in the game is getting pretty high,” the Fed official said. He backed off of earlier statements that “that portion of the subprime industry was veering close to a breakdown”, later stating that “phrasing too strong”. But he did point out the higher delinquency with subprime borrowers.
Gramlich addressed the bubble issue, “It’s certainly possible it’s a bubble, but it’s also possible, for various reasons, the cost of housing has shifted.”
Stephen Roach of Morgan Stanley…”At long last, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has owned up to the central role he has played in sparking unprecedented global imbalances..Greenspan’s admission came when he finally made the connection between the excesses of America’s property market and its gaping current account deficit”..Greenspan is quoted “the growth of home mortgage debt has been the major contributor to the decline in the personal saving rate in the United States from almost 6 percent in 1993 to its current level of 1 percent.”
Roach said “The Federal Reserve is trapped in a moral-hazard dilemma of its own making”
Stephen Roach…”The Fed is not only hard at work in the engine room in keeping the magic alive, but is has also become the intellectual architect of the New Macro. Time and again, since Alan Greenspan rolled out his New Paradigm theory in the late 1990s, senior Federal Reserve policy makers have taken the lead role as proselytizers of a new macro spin that condones the saving, debt, property bubble, and current-account excesses of the Asset Economy.”
“Chairman Greenspan has made light of traditional measures of household indebtedness, even going so far as to urge consumers to move from fixed to floating rate obligations. Fed governors have also borrowed a page from the Roaring 1990s in denying the possibility of a housing bubble. Governor Bernanke has also led the charge in coming up with a new theory of national saving, that the United States is actually doing the world a favor by absorbing a so-called glut of global saving.”
Forbes.com reports that Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan raised the spector of “systemic risk” in testimony to congress. He is once again speaking about the two GSEs, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The risks of something going wrong “are almost inevitable” Greenspan said.
He suggested the two mortgage giants be forced to reduce their portfolios in order to prevent unspecified “problems”. “It is the time to act to fend off the problems that are almost inevitable” he said, injecting a sense of urgency to the situation.
“Greenspan also noted that Fannie and Freddie both have unlimited access to capital far below normal market rates, giving them unlimited growth prospects. Since the two have very low regulatory capital requirements, the companies have to “engage in very significant dynamic hedging to hedge interest rate risks,” he said. Their role in creating the housing bubble has been clear. Maybe the Fed is looking to blame a coming crash on the GSE’s and therefore congress.
The New York Post took a swipe at the lame duck chairman of the Federal Reserve today. “WRONG-WAY GREENSPAN STRIKES AGAIN” was the headline, marking the ignominious final months of the central bank chief. “These rate hikes are really a joke anyway. Even as he’s pretending to tighten credit through these rate increases, the Fed has actually been allowing the nation’s money supply to grow rapidly at more than 5 percent over the last year. If all that money is available, it’s going to be put to use — creating the next bubble.”
The writer has hopes that events will give the chairman the send-off he deserves. “The winner, I think, will be the housing bubble. If all these rate hikes finally take hold over a short period of time they will deflate home prices just in time for Greenspan’s Farewell Apology.”
Reuters “Residential prices in central Tokyo rose 0.9 per cent in 2004, the first rise in 17 years…When the bubble burst property prices plummeted more than 80 per cent, undermining company balance sheets, wiping out many families’ wealth and helping plunge the economy into 13 years of stagnation.”
“Despite strong growth in the cities, the survey said prices nationwide dropped 4.6 per cent, the 14th consecutive year of decline…on average, residential property prices in Tokyo were 41 per cent of their peak in 1991, while commercial property prices were 20 per cent of their peak value.”
“The Bank of Japan on Thursday officially abandoned hope that the economy would return to inflation before March 2006. Given the bank’s commitment to keep interest rates at zero until deflation is eradicated, it implies a one-year extension of the zero-interest rate policy.”
“With interest rates at zero and markets flooded with liquidity, the bank had few tools beyond language to affect market expectations.”
“For generations of economists, it used to be a truism that ‘wealth creation’ implies capital formation in terms of generating income-creating tangible assets.To indiscriminately put this label of ‘wealth creation’ on rising asset prices in the absence of any income creation is plainly a novel usurpation of this concept. It is in essence wealth creation through a stroke of the pen.”
“Our general misgivings about ‘wealth creation’ simply through rising house prices has still another reason, however, and that is the way housing values are calculated. The conventional practice in America is to treat the whole existing housing stock as being worth the last trade. This contrasts wondrously with the tedious process of generating prosperity through saving, investment and production.”
“Everybody knows the answer, but few want to admit it: Lured by artificially low interest rates and easily available credit, private households have stampeded as never before into the purchase of homes, boosting their prices. Artificially low interest rates and easily available credit are, actually, the key features that specifically qualify an asset bubble.”
Governor Bernanke has also led the charge in coming up with a new theory of national saving, that the United States is actually doing the world a favor by absorbing a so-called glut of global saving.
How’s that glut of global savings working out for you?
Nowhere in my post do I state what I think is proper or not. I only stated what has happened and what is the cause and effect; like it or not. I of course realize that the central bank of any given country doesn’t often represent the wishes of that country’s populace.
(I didn’t intend “Japs” as derogatory - it wasn’t until WWII that it became as such actually. It was intended as tongue-in-cheek; my apologies to any Japanese on the board.)
I’m not trying to put words in your mouth packman, just making a point about the overall discussion regarding central bank policies and what to do next. The thing that stands out is the lack of responsibility of how we got here. In just a few minutes I was able to recall Federal Reserve statements shrugging off the sub-prime loan issue BEFORE it blew up. Greenspan washing his hands of the GSE problem/systemic risks and Bernankes’ now forgotten savings glut folly. In light of the known bubbles in Japan, these “economists” at the Fed are at best incompetent and at worse reckless and dangerous.
Yet we have learned nothing it seems. The same GSEs I was posting about then are at this very moment making zero down loans while at the same time manipulating a massive inventory. The FR is was actually given a larger role in the finance sector by the same politicians that walked us into this mess.
The situation that confronts us is IMO, that we are in a heck of a mess, but our “leadership” is getting away with turning attention away from the mistaken policies of the past and compounding the problems with more of the same. This isn’t about blame. There is a economic problem here that could get very serious and IMO all the cards should be on the table when talking about it.
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Comment by packman
2010-09-15 10:10:26
Agree. Sorry I shouldn’t have gotten defensive.
I think you hit the nail right on the head, except I will say that it seems that the Fed is (they think) trying a new and different approach to what Japan did - that being quick and massive Keynesian and monetarist stimulus. They see these add-ons to ZIRP as completing the recipe for a quicker recovery.
Unfortunately, as we are already seeing, these provided nothing but a sugar rush; not real economic nourishment. The patient is still sick, and it’s mono, not the flu. A very long period of rest is the best cure.
(At least hopefully it’s just mono, and not cancer!)
Comment by measton
2010-09-15 10:28:56
Curable cancer might be a best analogy
1. Treat the patient with toxic therapy that will make them sick as hell but gives them a chance to be cured.
vs
2. Treating symptoms alone which will guarantee death
Comment by packman
2010-09-15 10:35:30
Yep.
Unfortunately it appears the doc has chosen the latter - palliative care.
” Governor Bernanke has also led the charge in coming up with a new theory of national saving, that the United States is actually doing the world a favor by absorbing a so-called glut of global saving.”
Back then it applied to housing borrowing/spending/investment. Currently it applies to government borrowing/spending/investment. Both are cases of massive hubris. And both are doomed to fail.
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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-15 09:44:01
Geez I’m so smart I’d never let myself get caught up in hubris…..
Comment by DinOR
2010-09-15 10:54:51
“nothing but a sugar rush”
Correct, and when you come ‘down’ ( you’re crabbier and less productive than before! )
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-15 14:08:53
“Some people say I’m conceited, but that’s a fault, and I don’t have any….”
Comment by DinOR
2010-09-15 14:42:50
X-GSfixr,
Worked w/ a guy in avionics years back and MAN was this guy sharp. Funny too. He once said, “I made a mistake ‘once’ ( but it turned out I was wrong! )”
Comment by neuromance
2010-09-15 18:37:04
Ben Jones wrote:
But let’s focus on “our” central bank. Where in their setup does it say anything about propping up the price of anything? Of course, we’ll always be treated to the line, “it would have been a lot worse”!
The Economist has an article about the return of more centrally planned economic policies. It’s a cover story from August 7th-13th, titled “Leviathan Inc - The state goes back into business.”
It’s the ingrained belief of those in power that they know best. And this includes how and why to pick / make winners and losers in the economy.
States cutting benefits for public-sector retirees
By GEOFF MULVIHILL and SUSAN HAIGH (AP) – 5 hours ago
TRENTON, N.J. — The security guards at the headquarters of New Jersey’s pension fund have never seen anything like it before: lines of public employees extending out the door and into the street.
Day after day, workers come in droves to apply for retirement. They often line up before dawn.
The rush has been set off in part by Republican Gov. Chris Christie’s campaign in this cash-strapped state to make government employment — and retirement — less lucrative.
Since 2008, New Jersey and at least 19 other states from Wyoming to Rhode Island have rolled back pension benefits or seriously considered doing do — and not just for new hires, but for current employees and people already retired.
After telegraphing his intentions for months, Christie spelled out the details of his proposal Tuesday. They include: repealing an increase in benefits approved years ago; eliminating automatic cost-of-living adjustments; raising the retirement age to 65 from 60 in many cases; reducing pension payouts for many future retirees; and requiring some employees to contribute more to their pensions.
“We must reverse the damage caused by fairy-tale promises that have fattened benefits and pensions to unsustainable levels,” the governor said.
To be sure, the looming benefit changes are not the only reason many public employees in New Jersey are retiring. Some say they want out for the usual reasons — to spend time with the grandchildren or go fishing, for example — or complain that government layoffs and other cutbacks are making work unbearable. But other employees figure that by retiring now, they can lock in certain benefits before it is too late.
William Liberty started as a trash collector in Lindenwold 37 years ago and worked his way up to a job as public works supervisor. But his pay has been frozen for two years and he has to take an unpaid furlough day a month. And given Christie’s pension cut proposals, “it’s going to get worse,” Liberty said.
He hoped to keep the job until he turned 65. But at 62, he went last week to the state pension office to see about retiring soon.
Christie has warned that New Jersey’s pension fund will go belly up unless something is done to close the $46 billion gap between how much the state expects to bring into the system and how much it has promised to workers. Other states’ pension funds are in shaky condition, too.
I don’t get it. Do they think that by retiring now they can’t be touched? That whatever they get now can never be reduced, a candy-crapping guardian angel unicorn will watch over them?
In my public-sector company, someone who retired 15 years ago started out with pension-paid full family healthcare coverage. Today (if they are still alive) that same person gets nothing.
If one took a lump sum payment, that couldn’t be touched. But any pension or healthcare will be slashed in the future (sooner in New Jersey, later in California.)
Day after day, workers come in droves to apply for retirement. They often line up before dawn.
The rush has been set off in part by Republican Gov. Chris Christie’s campaign in this cash-strapped state to make government employment — and retirement — less lucrative.
Here in AZ, there are rumors of impending changes to the state retirement system. Matter of fact, they motivated one of my neighbors to retire from her University of Arizona job a few months ago.
And, speaking of the UA, I’ve been doing a lot of prospecting for work. Been noticing that a lot of the big names have recently become emeritus faculty members.
the rich country’s wages would fall and the poor country’s wages would rise.
So, in theory, wages must eventually equalize across the globe.
Then what? Is that the end of wage increases for mankind?
..ask him that next the time you run into him..
Please expain your theory on why wage increases are a good thing (as I think you’re implying).
(I’m talking across society, not for each individual person.
Wage increases for each person are normal due to gains in experience over their lifetime. However this is offset by higher-paid retirees being replaced by lower-paid newbies.)
I wasn’t implying that wage increases are good or bad.
The theory is that wages equalize when countries do business.
While international trade does affect wages, are there no other influences on wages? Can’t one country do things that cause it’s internal wages to increase (or decrease) regardless of it’s international connections?
Certainly, there are innumerable, internal, socioeconomic conditions that move wages.
In other words, while international trade has an effect on wages, it could be a major or a minor affect. Influences on wages in the respective countries could add up such that there is no net effect.
“Can’t one country do things that cause it’s internal wages to increase.”
Well, the theory is that a nation could focus on “high value” work to bring home the bacon. The problem is that 3rd world countries also have universities and can quickly train their own young people to do “high value” work at heavily discounted wages.
I don’t know that “high value” work necessarily translates to higher wages (or a higher standard of living), or that high value is required for economic growth.
We did business with Japan. Japan concentrated on things with the very least value.. crappy little useless toys.
In contrast, there must be an example of a country that did concentrated on high value, but suffered for it.
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Comment by packman
2010-09-15 08:44:25
No offense but - WTF are you talking about?
Japan has been producing cars and electronics that are way higher in quality than the U.S. counterparts. You don’t consider that high value? I haven’t seen “crappy little useless toys” coming out of Japan in years - they all come out of China, Indonesia, Mexico, etc.
Japan’s certainly been suffering, but IMO it’s not due to them producing high-value stuff.
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-15 08:58:12
i was talking about japan as a 3rd world, defeated, impoverished nation, of course.
Japan proved that growth and prosperity is possible by way of low value, inconsequential export products.
The deal is that we Americans are overpaid relative to Indians and Chinese, unfortunately. It will be painful for the duration until our wages reach equilibrium as they free up their economies even more and as we socialize ourselves into more drab grayness. At the point we reach equilibrium, things can only get better from there.
Despite all our trade with China and India, with Vietnam and Honduras, with Afghanistan and the rest of the 3rd world.. despite all the outsourcing and unfair trade barriers over many decades, I have yet to see an American home with a dirt floor.
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Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-15 10:56:47
“I have yet to see an American home with a dirt floor.”
You should get out more often joey. But maybe you’re afraid to go to the scary parts of this country?
I don’t blame you. I’m still scared when I have to go to those places as well.
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-15 21:42:26
well.. i did manage to find a couple of dirt floor homes.
one is Abe Lincoln’s house.. but that’s a preserved historical landmark so it doesn’t count.
The other is in El Cerrito, Ca.. but it’s just some wealthy liberal tree-hugger who thought it was cool to put one in his huge mansion. Only $5 a sq foot to install it. Not a bad price, imo
There are supposedly more like that scattered around… the get back to nature sort of garbage.
But if you have proof of any poor people living in a dirt floor house these days, cough it up.. No fancy adobe homes or tipis in the backyard allowed. The people gotta be poor.
LONDON (MarketWatch) — Beazer Homes USA Inc. on Wednesday cut its guidance on new home orders for the year, citing a slower-than-expected improvement in orders following the expiration of a home-buyer tax credit in April. The company, which had previously said orders for fiscal 2010 would be above the previous year’s level, said it needs to book 767 orders in the final quarter to match the year-earlier total of 4,205. It said it expects orders will be somewhere between 700 and 800 in the final quarter. “Although housing affordability is at record levels, prospective home buyers continue to exercise caution in committing to a home purchase transaction,” Beazer said.
How can these asshats get away with saying affordability is at ‘record’ levels, or all time highs. You used to be able to buy a house on one salary with a 15 year mortgage. I’d say those might come closer to ‘record’ affordability.
In 2007(?) I remember the “affordability index” in California was changed to use ARMs instead of fixed-rate mortgages. Instantly the index jumped from about 3% to 25% or so.
I wonder if this same method is now used nationwide? Anyone know? If so that would certainly explain the supposed “record” affordability.
I really hate it when ANYBODY redefines an statistic and then compares it to historical data. It’s such complete useless crap, and yet nobody ever calls groups on it.
Bankrupt, USA: Why our cities aren’t too big to fail
FORTUNE — Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, has dodged a debt bullet. The only problem is that the gun is still loaded.
The Keystone State’s cash-strapped capital was scheduled to default on a $3.3 million bond payment on Wednesday. It avoided that debilitating fate when Pennsylvania’s governor, Ed Rendell, pledged to resolve the problem with $4.4 million from the state’s own challenged coffers.
This gives Harrisburg a chance to fight again another day. But its problems are far from over, and that’s bad news for investors in the $2.8 trillion muni-bond market.
States from California to Illinois have been in deep crisis since the recession began, hammered by drastic cuts in tax revenue and inflexible spending demands for things like health care, debt service and pension plans. Forty-eight states grappled with fiscal shortfalls in their 2010 fiscal budgets. Totaling $200 billion, or 30% of state budgets, this fiscal shortfall is the largest gap on record, according to the DC-based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which sees at least 46 states facing shortfalls this fiscal year.
Tool maker cuts jobs
Layoffs could reach 140 at Hanover factory
A Baltimore County-based power tools manufacturer will lay off more than 100 employees in its Hanover office next month.
Notice of the impending layoffs at Apex Tool Group, located on Standard Drive in Hanover, was posted last month on the state Labor, Licensing and Registration Department’s website.
“With the downturn in the economy, manufacturing has had its share of downsizing,” said Kirkland Murray, president of the Anne Arundel Workforce Development Corp.
Federal agencies cutting, revising $337 million worth of IT contracts
Washington Post
The Office of Management and Budget on Wednesday plans to announce the cancellation or restructuring of three multiyear information technology contracts totaling $337 million, according to senior administration officials.
The changes are part of the Obama administration’s budgetary and management reforms designed to cut billions of dollars in wasteful and no-bid government programs and contracts.
According to the OMB, the Environmental Protection Agency plans to save $180 million and the Department of Housing and Urban Development will pocket about $44 million by restructuring two long-term IT contracts. The Small Business Administration should save $113 million by canceling a contract.
The EPA contract is meant to replace an older financial system that had inconsistent data and costly maintenance, among other problems. CGI Federal, based in Fairfax, has received $83.1 million in contracts for the program being restructured, according to the Obama administration’s IT Dashboard, a public Web site that compiles data on federal agencies’ IT programs. The company referred questions to the EPA.
Here’s an observation by Mac Slavo, a small business owner.
“A close friend and Citibank credit card holder recently saw a rate increase from roughly 10% to 29.99% on his existing balance. Already running on a tight budget, his payment increased from a monthly $150 per month to over $400 per month. Our friend, rather than simply stopping his payments because he was no longer able to afford them, promptly took his Citibank card to a local outdoor goods store, purchased several thousand dollars worth of guns, ammunition, and camping gear. He never made another payment. That’s a $20,000 delinquency on Citibank’s books – and that debt will never be collected. We can talk about the ethics and morality of this move, but that is irrelevant at this point. Tens of thousands, perhaps millions, of Americans are doing exactly the same thing with credit cards and home loans.”
I love it. That really is a good way to strike back. Fair’s fair, if people are making their payments, squeezing them is not OK. The guy did the right thing and make a point.
Head Of NJ Teachers’ Union Makes $550,000 A Year–2X As Much As The Governor And 10X The Average American
NJEA head Vince Giordano
As Governor Chris Christie goes to war with the NJ teachers union, let’s review what he’s up against.
NJEA director Vince Giordano received $421,615 in salary and $128,508 in deferred compensation last year, according to tax filings released last spring.
NJEA president Barbara Keshishian earned $256,450 last year. VP Wendell Steinhauer and Secretary-Treasurer Marie Blistan were paid $170,974 each.
Meanwhile, the governor earned a measly $175,000.
Christie’s war with the union escalated earlier this summer when a union official suggested praying for the governor’s death. Last week, Christie lambasted a teacher at a public forum.
Government wants tax-credit back. What will this do to buyers who used the credit as downmpayment on new homes from homebuilders who manipulated the credit for this purpose?
Let’s see, house was worth $180K before the tax credit, folks paid $200K during the tax credit. Tax credit is over, house back down to $180K. So the government actually owes THEM another $12,000 for giving them the $8,000. Think they’ll buy that?
The nation’s banks repossessed a record number of homes in August, according to industry sources. RealtyTrac, an online foreclosure sale site, will release its monthly numbers on Thursday, but sources there confirm the number of repossessions will come in just shy of 100,000 for the month.
That is the highest since the site began tracking in 2005. July’s repossession number was the second highest on record. The last highest was 93,777 in May of 2010.
Notices of Default, which are the first step in the foreclosure process, are up slightly but mostly thanks to a jump in California, where the numbers had been artificially low of late, as banks tried to modify borrowers.
“With respect to the NOD increase, I think it is the modification redefault wave beginning to build and new modifications slowing to a trickle, indicating banks have lost their primary borrower re-leveraging tool,” says mortgage industry consultant Mark Hanson.
Yesterday J.P. Morgan Chase (NYSE: jpm) cited the “shadow inventory” of foreclosed properties as one of their primary reasons for pushing back their expectations for a housing recovery as far as 2014. No question, a growing supply of repossessed properties will put further downward pressure on home prices, especially given the current 12.5 month supply of existing homes already for sale.
The question now is: Where does the government go from here? Some argue that housing needs to correct on its own, without artificial stimulus, as painful as it will be, in order to recover fully. What the Obama Administration has to decide is, will that correction, involving millions of foreclosures, take too large a toll on the greater economy?
That is the highest since the site began tracking in 2005. July’s repossession number was the second highest on record. The last highest was 93,777 in May of 2010.
So 3 of the last 4 months have set records for number of repos. Not good for the housing market.
Yup, and JP Morgan pushing back their prediction of a housing recovery to 2014. Further than I figured back in 2007. Although my prediction has been that 2012 will be the bottom of the average house price in America. Now I think that’s an “optimistic” prediction and the prices can go lower in 2013 or beyond.
I have never grasped how a bubble numerous decades in the making could be expected to unwind in a year or two or five. I rather expect a generational shift.
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Comment by packman
2010-09-15 09:49:30
+1
Unfortunately many people, at least initially, saw the dot-com bubble as a precedent. Since we (supposedly) recovered from that in just a two year period (2001-2003 or so), then people figured that’s about what it would take for the housing bubble.
Unaccounted for though was:
- The scale of the bubble (probably 10x at least)
- The duration (most people still think the housing bubble started in 2003 or so, when in reality it started in the late 90’s, or one could make the case in the 80’s with a mid-90’s pause)
- The fact that the dot-com crash “recovery” was in fact fueled by the rise of the much larger housing bubble. Beyond housing though there is no other asset that can be used for a bigger bubble to “recover” from this crash.
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-15 10:07:03
Nicely summarized, packman.
Comment by DinOR
2010-09-15 11:00:14
REHobbyist,
Second!
What was that The Onion ran with? “America needs new unfounded, fake bubble to ‘believe’ in!” Anybody that thinks this started in ‘03 has completely lost their mind.
Pack has it right, a 7th Inning stretch for the immediate Post Cold War-era and off to the races!
Remember, the S&L disaster wasn’t really over until the mid 1990s. And it was the dot com bubble that caused RE to rise.
The only parts of this crisis that was decades in the making is the constant destruction of jobs and wages and the slow but steady weakening of regulations for the FIRE sectors.
Some people on the board (cannot recall who) recently had an argument that the oil in the gulf could not possibly have sunk to the bottom. It was eaten by microbes obviously. I am here to tell you that all of that nasty black smelly oil is sitting on the bottom out there.
Specific gravity = relative density (relative to water ironically) and oil has a specific gravity of less than one which in theory means it should float. There were some top-notch authorites on the subject right on this very blog.
“some top-notch authorites on the subject right on this very blog”
Who were they? They ought to have their AAPG licenses revoked.. by Murtaugh. Dr. Bob Reynolds (The King of Clay) is rolling over in his grave right now!
BTW — Whoever was going on about silver mining yesterday should reread his info on porphyry copper deposits. Heck just look at the Crown Butte/New World Mine near Cooke City, MT and check out the gold/silver ratio. Contrary to what was posted yesterday, there’s a lot of silver still out there. However, it does take a lot of energy to obtain gold and silver in the low concentrations at which it is presently mined (in the low to sub-ppm range for gold). Thus, if energy prices go up, expect to see prices ramp for a time. Full disclosure: I own a fair amount of physical silver as an inflation/hyper-inflation hedge. However, I suspect that its value will decrease at some point with what is most likely to be deflation.
PS: Try getting a hotel room on Rt. 50 in NV by just driving up. Unless you’re in Ely, it’ll be tough. These mining towns are going nuts. Experienced the same thing trying to get a room in Pinedale, WY when oil was high two years ago.
Not sure what was said here, it was probably while i was off cruising, but it is amazing how strong opinions are formed without insight.
“Crude oil” isn’t just one thing, it’s a mixture of things, some of which are lighter than air and some of which are heavier than water. Tar does not float.
One of the simple things that I did not hear any of our neoscientists discuss during the gulf debacle is that oil is soluable in water. There is a lot of water out there. Case in point; if the weather becomes suddenly cold, water drops out of the gasoline in your car’s tank and forms ice crystals. Water puddles up in crude storage tanks for the same reason.
BTW, sea water has has a specific gravity higher than 1.
Didn’t the water initially get into the tanks through condensation and never actually mix with the fuel? Salt water would be higher than distilled you are correct. The oil (tar) is still out there is all I am saying. Oil for any practical purposes is not soluable in water.
More than half of Washington Post’s revenue/profit comes from Kaplan, a for-profit college. These very-expensive colleges enroll poor students and talk them into taking on student loans that they will never pay back. The beauty for the companies is that the government is on the hook for the losses. My younger son has a couple of illiterate high school buddies who have enrolled because they can’t find employment other than McDonald’s. One is majoring in “construction management” at ITT and the other one is majoring in “criminal justice” at Heald. Both of them flunked out of community college, but are passing at tech school. I know others who have enrolled at Kaplan for nursing training.
ITT Educational Services Inc., based in Carmel, Indiana, would have lost 22 cents a share rather than reporting a profit of $7.91 a share, Eisman said. Washington Post Co., which operates Kaplan Higher Education, would have lost $33.25 a share, instead of earning $9.78 a share. Pittsburgh-based Education Management Corp., which is 38 percent owned by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and earned 87 cents a share in the year ended June 30, would have lost $5.50 a share, Eisman said. In the year ended June 2009, Corinthian Colleges earned 81 cents per share in 2009 from continuing operations, though would have posted a loss of 76 cents, he said.
Citing a relentless decline in revenues, Mohegan Sun announced today it is laying off 355 employees — the casino’s first mass layoffs since it opened in 1996 — and said it would close one of its two buffet restaurants, a snack bar in its race book and two food-court outlets that will reopen under third-party management.
Mitchell Etess, Mohegan Sun’s president and chief executive officer, told reporters that 475 positions were being eliminated. He said 120 employees whose jobs were being eliminated would be shifted into other positions at Mohegan Sun, leaving a net loss of 355 employees. In addition, he said, the new operators of the food-court outlets would provide jobs.
The food outlets closing include the Sunburst Buffet, Chief’s Bagels, Subs and Sweets and Woodland Wok.
Prior to the layoffs, Mohegan Sun employed about 9,000 full-time employees at its Uncasville casino. Since the fall of 2008, about 900 jobs have been trimmed through attrition.
“We’ve worked hard the last two years to reduce our labor expenses while waiting for the economy to improve, but the economy has not improved, the economy has not stabilized,” Etess said in addressing the need for the layoffs. “The recovery is much slower than expected … consumer confidence is sagging … unemployment is rising.”
He said the casino could no longer rely on attrition to pare its workforce and still meet its financial obligations.
“We were not ‘attritioning’ fast enough,” he said.
Retirement on Hold: American Workers $6 Trillion Short- Reuters
The $6.6 trillion figure is based on projections of retirement and income for American workers ages 32-64. The study’s authors say they arrived at the amount using conservative assumptions, including a 3 percent rate of return on assets and no further cuts in pension coverage or increases in the Social Security retirement age.
S.C., Columbia home sales continue to fall. ~ The State
Despite a boost earlier this year from a federal tax credit, home sales in Columbia are on target for their worst year in recent memory.
After a steady start to the year, area sales ballooned 23 percent in the second quarter as first-time home buyers rushed to beat the June deadline for an $8,000 federal tax credit.
But when the credit ended, sales tumbled 28 percent in July compared to a year earlier and fell another 27 percent in August, according to a new report from the S.C. Realtors trade group.
Sales so far this year are down slightly from last year’s numbers.
But without the tax credit in place, many industry professionals are worried that sales will continue to plummet.
Statewide, sales fared slightly better, with a 21 percent drop in August.
S.C. sales are still 9 percent ahead of 2009 on the year, bolstered largely by a rebound along the coast that took the brunt of the housing crunch in the state.
September 14th, 2010, 1:00 am
posted by Mary Ann Milbourn
California unemployment claims jumped 30.6 % in July to 808,083 after Congress ended a seven-week impasse and approve a bill that allowed extended jobless benefits through November, the state Employment Development Department reports.
The number of claims processed by EDD fell 15.4% in May and and 4.9% in June when previous legislation allowing extended benefits expired without Congressional action.
Year over year, claims continue to mount. EDD handled 208,000 more claims this year than in July of 2009 and nearly double the requests filed in July 2008. In 2008, California’s unemployment rate was 7.3%. This year it was 12.3% in July.
Feds Spent $800,000 of Economic Stimulus on African Genital-Washing Program
September 13, 2010
CNS News.
By Matt Cover
(CNSNews.com) – The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), a division of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), spent $823,200 of economic stimulus funds in 2009 on a study by a UCLA research team to teach uncircumcised African men how to wash their genitals after having sex.
The genitalia-washing program is part of a larger $12-million UCLA study examining how to better encourage Africans to undergo voluntary HIV testing and counseling – however, only the penis-washing study received money from the 2009 economic stimulus law. The washing portion of the study is set to end in 2011.
“NIH Announces the Availability of Recovery Act Funds for Competitive Revision Applications,” the grant abstract states. “We propose to evaluate the feasibility of a post-coital genital hygiene study among men unwilling to be circumcised in Orange Farm, South Africa.”
Because AIDS researchers have been unsuccessful in convincing most adult African men to undergo circumcision, the UCLA study proposes to determine whether researchers can develop an after-sex genitalia-washing regimen that they can then convince uncircumcised African men to follow.
Because AIDS researchers have been unsuccessful in convincing most adult African men to undergo circumcision, the UCLA study proposes to determine whether researchers can develop an after-sex genitalia-washing regimen that they can then convince uncircumcised African men to follow.
A college friend went on to be the Washington Post bureau chief in Africa.
While he was in Nairobi (his African base), a local newspaper ran the story of a man who was doing a bit too much braggin’ around his workplace. This guy boasted that he was a total man, and his coworkers responded to this news by removing his trousers and inspecting the equipment.
Turned out that Total Man was uncircumcised, and that meant that he had to be tied to a cart and paraded through Nairobi. The destination of this parade? Some place where he would be circumcised.
Unfortunately for them, ocieties where the men have taken pride in being “total men” have had a very poor historical “track record” compared to societies where most men have taken pride in the products of their minds.
“The situation that confronts us is IMO, that we are in a heck of a mess, but our ‘leadership’ is getting away with turning attention away from the mistaken policies of the past and compounding the problems with more of the same. This isn’t about blame. There is a economic problem here that could get very serious and IMO all the cards should be on the table when talking about it.”
I agree. The debts, public and private, are so great they cannot be paid, and no matter how much fun all the consumption is, the U.S. cannot continue borrowing to support jobs all over the world. So how radical do we get?
How about this one? Our problem is lots of people — the rich, the Arabs, the Chinese — have pieces of paper saying they get a share of whatever Americans produce in the future. And Americans don’t have that many pieces of paper, meaning they will get less of what they produce in the future.
And the rich, the Arabs and Chinese keep buying more such pieces of paper, providing a ready alternative to hiring Americans to produce anything today.
So, have the federal government give lots of new, similar pieces of paper to Americans, and legal immigrants prorated based on the number of years they have worked here, and businesses that hire Americans based on the number they employ (on the books). Make those in debt pay it off. Exclude those who already get government pensions. Have the Federal Reserve monetize the debts, which will carry zero interest rate and have principal payable beginning 200 years from now and extending for 200 additional years.
Thus, our public and private debts disappear or will be paid in dollars worth far less. The Chinese, Arabs and rich will decide they don’t want more of our pieces of paper anymore, causing our currency to fall and forcing Americans to hire other Americans to produce what they want, or which they will be able to afford less but will be able to get jobs making it.
Of course, responsible savers in the U.S. would be wiped out. But young people would start out with nothing instead of in the hole.
A word from Sir Al Greasepan the universally admired monetary genius…
Greenspan, in switch, now favors higher taxes
Former Fed chief: U.S. must cut deficit to allow more private investment.
NEW YORK — Former Federal Reserve chief Alan Greenspan, reversing a long-standing aversion to higher taxes, said Wednesday tax rates must rise and the fiscal stimulus wound down in order to reduce the U.S. budget deficit and allow private investment to expand.
“I am in favor for the first time in my memory of raising taxes,” Greenspan told an audience at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. He said the economy could not recover while the high deficit remains high.
Greenspan warned that the deficit, swollen by massive stimulus spending, was crowding out capital investment. We “must find a way to simmer down fiscal activism and allow the economy to heal,” he said, adding that stimulus spending had been far less successful than anticipated.
When Greenspan’s generation was working, taxes should be cut, but now that they are retired and/or dying off, taxes must be increased on those coming after.
Will someone grill this guy on the 1983 Social Security deal? Who blew the surpluses younger generations were forced to pay in?
Argentines Say Buy Now as 25% Inflation Outlook Buoys Car Sales
Bloomberg
Argentines are stepping up purchases of cars and televisions in a bid to beat inflation consumers see accelerating to 25 percent, the second-highest in the world after Venezuela.
Record demand for autos and domestic appliances are fueling economic growth, which Deputy Economy Minister Roberto Feletti estimates at 9 percent this year, the fastest since 2005. The consumer boom will fade by the end of this year as higher prices for food and everyday goods drain household income, said former Economy Vice Minister Orlando Ferreres.
“Inflation will tend to accelerate and output will stagnate,” said Domingo Cavallo, who as economy minister from 1991 to 1996 cut the annual increase in consumer prices — which had reached 5,000 percent in 1989 — to zero by fixing the currency at par to the U.S. dollar. A “climate of stagflation” is coming to South America’s second-biggest economy, he said.
Bill Clinton: New-look GOP makes Bush look liberal
MINNEAPOLIS(AP) – Former President Bill Clinton said Tuesday that the Republican Party is embracing “ideology over evidence” and pushing out pragmatic voices that would make even his White House successor seem like a liberal.
Clinton, speaking at a Democratic fundraiser in Minneapolis, said there was no mistaking that Republicans have tacked hard right and questioned whether former President George W. Bush would fit in among the party’s candidates this year.
“A lot of their candidates today, they make him look like a liberal,” Clinton told an enthusiastic crowd at a downtown hotel as he campaigned for Democratic gubernatorial candidate Mark Dayton.
Clinton pointed to the tea party movement’s influence on the GOP.
“The Boston Tea Party was protesting abuse of power. This is now trading public power for the abuse of private power,” Clinton said, just as a tea party-backed candidate was declared the winner Tuesday night in Delaware’s hotly contested Republican primary for U.S. Senate
The word on the vine is that John “Lurch” Kerry may take over Hilary’s job. She is rumored to be stepping down fairly soon. Wonder why? Perhaps she may run against Barry after all, who knows.
Pipemaker plans layoffs at Birmingham, Ala. plant
The Associated Press
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - American Cast Iron Pipe Co. says it plans to lay off another 59 workers in Birmingham.
The layoff announced Tuesday is the company’s second in a little more than two months.
The Birmingham News reports the Birmingham-based maker of iron and steel pipes used for water, oil and natural gas transmission says the layoffs will take effect Oct. 8, and the workers are eligible for recall if business conditions improve.
The company released 80 workers in Aguust.
McWane Cast Iron Pipe and U.S. Pipe and Foundry have idled or closed plants in Birmingham this year, costing almost 500 jobs. The companies cite the weak housing market as a factor.
Gee, can’t they bid the job in San Francisco after that neighborhood’s gas line blew up? There’s a lot of old infrastructure that needs to be replaced….
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Rep. Sander Levin, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, on Wednesday called Japan’s intervention overnight in the foreign exchange market to weaken its currency “a deeply disturbing development.” Levin, a Democrat from Michigan, said his panel will closely monitor the yen’s value relative to the dollar. Levin made the comment at the opening of two days of committee hearings into the foreign exchange market, specifically focusing on exchange rate of China’s currency versus the dollar.
The trouble with many of the “indicators” we report is that some are pretty current and others are severely lagging. Home sales are generally the former and home prices the latter.
That’s why, given the combination of the expiration of the home buyer tax credit and the increasing number of loans moving to final foreclosure, we knew that home prices overall would take a hit, but it would take a while.
Here is one team I don`t want to be on, the UCLA research team.
Feds Spent $800,000 of Economic Stimulus on African Genital-Washing Program
Monday, September 13, 2010
By Matt Cover
(CNSNews.com) – The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), a division of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), spent $823,200 of economic stimulus funds in 2009 on a study by a UCLA research team to teach uncircumcised African men how to wash their genitals after having sex.
The genitalia-washing program is part of a larger $12-million UCLA study examining how to better encourage Africans to undergo voluntary HIV testing and counseling – however, only the penis-washing study received money from the 2009 economic stimulus law. The washing portion of the study is set to end in 2011.
President Obama just said we can`t afford to borrow $700 billion to give tax cuts to the rich. For god`s sake he`s right. We can barely afford to wash African genitals now!
“We can barely afford to wash African genitals now’!
Well good lord you can’t expect an African to know how to wash their genitals without out the help of the US taxpayer, can you? Perhaps Okra can jet over and start a school.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation’s largest banks have an obligation to pay some of the cost for bailing out mortgage buyers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because they sold them bad mortgages, a government regulator said Wednesday.
Edward DeMarco, the acting director for the Federal Housing Finance Agency, said the banks this summer have refused to take back $11 billion in bad loans sold to the two government-controlled companies, in written testimony submitted for a House subcommittee hearing Wednesday. A third of those requests have been outstanding for at least three months.
DeMarco said the banks have a legal obligation to buy back the loans and called the delays “a significant concern.” He said the government may take new steps to force those buybacks if “discussions do not yield reasonable outcomes soon.”
“Well, I purchased a bunch of these loans a couple years ago, and they went bad. I’d like to return them. I have the original packaging and.. here’s the receipt.”
I hope Edward doesn`t tell me I have to pay anything back for the house I sold in 2005. The people I sold it to got a bad mortgage. Even if they did only pay it for a year or so.
I suppose they would also be demanding them be bought back at original value if they had gone right and the underlying price of homes had continued to increase…
Poor Kalifornia they have two poor choices both stink to high heaven.I’m sure they’ll choose the best turd. The brown one.
Meg Whitman Becomes Biggest Self-Funded Candidate in History
Meg Whitman, the former EBay Inc. chief executive officer, has contributed $119 million of her own fortune to her campaign for California governor, making her the biggest self-funded candidate in U.S. history.
Whitman, 54, a Republican running against Jerry Brown, California’s attorney general and former governor, put $15 million into her campaign on Sept. 13, bringing her total contributions to $119 million, according to the California Secretary of State’s website. She and Brown are competing to succeed Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who can’t run this year.
“Meg Whitman will be independent of special interests and will only be accountable to the people of California when she becomes governor,” Darrel Ng, a Whitman spokesman, said today in a statement sent by e-mail.
I actually think Whitman could be better than the current governor or Brown (which may not be saying much). In any event, CA needs someone to think differently about its issues. Brown certainly isn’t that person.
Brown was my governor back in college and grad school. He had a strong “southern California ONLY” attitude back then: the only infrastructure he would support was for south of the Tehachapis.
Then he changed his colors and became the mayor of Oakland of all places.
Worth noting is that the higher prices are AFTER the federal tax credit ran out, but BEFORE the state tax credit ran out.
If the trend continues upwards in the coming months (CA stopped accepting applications for the credit on 9/15), it will only be due to general lack of supply and affordability.
U.S. Home Prices Face 3-Year Drop as Inventory Surge Looms
By John Gittelsohn and Kathleen M. Howley - Sep 15, 2010 12:14 PM ET
The slide in U.S. home prices may have another three years to go as sellers add as many as 12 million more properties to the market.
Defaulted mortgages as of July took an average 469 days to reach foreclosure, up from 319 days in January 2009. That’s an indication lenders — with the help of the government loan modification programs — are delaying resolutions and preventing the market from flooding with distressed properties, said Herb Blecher, senior vice president for analytics at LPS.
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The Reno paper had a longish story about their local residential RE market.
What struck me was this guy who thought he’d finance a retirement - in Texas - with his house in Reno. There are so many things that don’t make sense in his story.
Texas is a poor choice for retirement. Having no state income tax they really sock it to you on property tax. Right when this guy retires to a lower income, he wants to move to Texas?
It would make more sense, with respect to the job market and to taxes, to work in Texas and retire to Reno!
I guess I never understood the siren call of RE investing in Reno of all places. There was a story about a year ago about some dufus schoolteacher in someplace like Walnut Creek or Lafayette (CA) that took 100% of her retirement savings to buy 10 houses in Reno with minimal downpayment. She obviously went bankrupt. Investing 100% in RE is insane. Even investing a smaller portion but putting it all into one market is insane.
Reno has it’s attractions. Most importantly for people with family ties to California: it’s not in California but is geographically close.
While a change in seasons is obvious, the weather is never too hot or too cold for long. Not much snow, sometimes none.. close to Tahoe. The city’s outlying areas are mostly desert but there are nice spots too. Get outside the county and nobody cares what you’re up to… enviro-laws are minimal.
There are very nice forested little cubbyholes within Reno city limits if you know where to look. Nearby towns are about the same.
Casinos.. hospitals.. an international airport.. Cost of living is average..
I’ve been interested in Reno and have spoken with lots of locals. They say attempts to raise property taxes have been futile.
It was hit pretty hard by the bubble and prices are destined to be as low as anywhere. But it’s way too early to buy there. I give it 2 years or so..
Nice assessment of the biggest little city.
I love that place. And the air races every year…about this time. I would love to live there. Snowboarding/sking…motorcyle both road and dirt.
lane
Oooo! Ooooo!
I so want to go to the air races one of these years!
It is a neat thing to see. The wife and I took my parents out there a few years back…I knew my mom could care less about the air races…she loved it! Its a amazing sport but they have had some bad luck lately…its a very unforgiving sport.
Lane
Plus it’s a short drive to the annual Burning Man festival….
I played music in the Reno-Carson-Tahoe area back in the day, and always thought the weather there was lovely. You could do a lot worse than live and work there.
Oh wow. As a somewhat frequent visitor, I have to say its not at all a pretty town. Not my first choice at all.
OK…I will stop liking it.
What city is pretty when viewed in daylight at ground level? A town might be, but not a mature city with freeways, mini-malls and cars.
Reno started life as a toll booth at a bridge that spanned the Truckee river, and was built on money from freight and trucks stopping for lunch on their way over the Sierras to California. It’s a huge truck stop.
I’m surprised it didn’t turn out to be uglier than it is.
Reno sucks. -
Reno is a dying town. The economy is highly dependent upon gaming, and when the Indian casinos started cropping up in CA, OR, WA, etc., cutting deeply into revenue, Reno and its leadership failed to read the writing on the wall and diversify. With construction-another major industry- on its ear given the housing bubble, unemployment is running around 14%.
The future of Reno is not so bright at the moment. I’d guess they are experiencing population loss, now. While it may be a good place to retire for those with a nice nest egg, making a living there is another story. It’s probably one of the worst places to invest in real estate given high unemployment and high vacancies.
I heard today that they require a constitutional amendment to raise taxes. If true, then I can see where efforts to raise taxes would be futile…
We may be closer to the bottom than 2 years from now though, they got hit hard pretty early and prices really crashed hard.
Linkey
http://www.rgj.com/article/20100914/NEWS/9120376/1321/news/Reno-housing-market–Region-s–American-nightmare-?
Property taxes heavily depend on where you live in Texas.
Remember, even in the big cities, 300K will get you a 4000sqft house in the nicest neighborhoods.
200K? Still going to live in the nicest neighborhoods.
Gonna be a great day. I feel so much better now that I’ve paid for a bunch of WS ultra-rich types to keep the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed.
If I would just stop being a saver and start living debt, then I would be happy and prosperous, too.
Roidy
..stop being a saver and start living debt..
There’s a 3rd alternative. Take some of your savings and put it to work. Invest it.
Then, the WS rich types will pay you.. instead of the other way around.
Let’s see:
The stock market is rigged by the big investment houses and program traders;
Municipal bonds are fraught with the hazard of cities/schools/etc defaulting in this ongoing recession;
Treasuries are subject to the whims of the Chinese and the massive overspending by our own illustrious gov’t;
Precious metals should never be more than a small fraction of one’s portfolio;
Cash is earning zip.
So what should we be investing IN?
IMO - education.
(your own, I mean)
But do it at a community college. The major universities are having a bubble of their own right now.
Packman, the more I learn, the less confident I feel about any of the above investment vehicles. However, I do have a portfolio that includes munis, Treasuries, TIPS and I bonds. Far and away, the I bonds have been my best performers over the past few years. Of course they were purchased at a time when the fixed component was over 3%. The good old days!
Community colleges have seen massive run-ups in tuition and book prices, too. The greed is despicable.
“Treasuries are subject to the whims of the Chinese and the massive overspending by our own illustrious gov’t;”
Treasuries held to maturity pay in $US with high probability.
Only sales in the secondary markets are subject to the whim of what others want to pay you for them.
“So what should we be investing IN?”
Only semi-facetiously may I suggest:
Cargo containers-full of durable necessities– aspirin, dental floss, toilet paper, toothpaste, vodka–and defensible land on which to park them.
And lotsa cheap 10K gold jewelry one can barter for a container of gas or a bag of groceries. (”It’s my mother’s wedding ring, you see….”)
Perhaps relevant side note:
Last week in an attempt to discourage marauding grackles and jays from stripping my orchards, I searched Bakersplat in vain for .22 birdshot. None to be had anywhere. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Cargo containers-full of durable necessities– aspirin, dental floss, toilet paper, toothpaste, vodka–and defensible land on which to park them.
Specifically would you recommend the aspirin-based ETF, or the Ibuprofin-based ETF?
Try http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ , they normally have “everything”.
Good to see you, ahansen! Love your suggestions. Especially the vodka.
Hi guys!
Good one, pack. LOL.
Snickering from the sidelines here as our TeaParty shoots itself in the collective feet.
Of Christine O’Donnell’s not-so-surprise victory in the Delaware Senate primary, Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol gives us the reassuring (?) assessment, she’s “no Sarah Palin.”
Nor Beau Biden, neither….
Cheers,
a
Snickering from the sidelines here as our TeaParty shoots itself in the collective feet.
Methinks that a lot of Democrats aren’t just snickering. They’re ROTFLTAO.
Elanore.. you ever read the parable of the talents?
One servant buried his talent and, although it’s original value was preserved, he was punished.
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Many people are making money (almost) every day because they’ve invested in all those rigged, unstable, hazardous things you mentioned.
A person can only work so hard for so many hours of the day before they must rest… and that limits their wealth accumulation. To increase wealth beyond that limit, one must permit someone or something to work for them.
Invest in some portion of the world’s various forms of business enterprises and the whole world will work and earn money for you, even while you sleep.
Pretty sure the parable of the talents had nothing to do with money or investing.
Yea yea yea. I used to believe that. I still have mutual funds in all the proper allocations including a good chunk of foreign markets. Perhaps knowing too much about the shenanigans of the Really Big Players on the global stage has made me a tad jaded. But my financial advisor won’t let me cash in all the chips and put them under a mattress.
packman.. money OR investing? I think the parable had something to do with investing.
Lots of things besides money can be invested. Lots of things benefit nobody if they are buried.
By investing I was meaning things related to money that aren’t necessarily money directly - e.g. investing your time in a business or whatever. The parable is about actually about investing, but specifically in spiritual growth.
“spiritual and/or personal growth”, I should say. The line between is gray, though the parable could be said to apply to things that are not necessarily spiritual (like physical talents), though in some respect the act of spreading non-spiritual talents is in itself an act of spiritual growth.
When the Parable of the Talents was written, ‘talent’ was a unit of money, and did not in any way mean ’skill’ or ‘knack’, as it does now. Interestingly, that meaning for talent comes directly from this parable, as it began to be perceived by many as being an exhortation not to hide your talent/skill/ability .
Originally, it probably meant not to hide the teachings of Jesus away, but to share them with others. That’s what made the ‘master’ happy, and brought you into his presence (ie heaven).
Kind of like how coveting your neighbor’s ass has come to have a different meaning from its original.
Catholics and Lutherans are more particular about such matters, and have a separate commandment against coveting your neighbor’s wife *and* against coveting his stuff. Most everyone else combines the two into one- and for them the double meaning works fine.
Some people find a spiritual interpretation for every word and phrase in the Bible. I see more than a little practical, earthly guidance and wisdom.
I haven’t studied that particular parable. The part where the master is accused of and admits to “Reaping that which he has not sown” or “reaping where he has not thrown hay” is confusing and a mystery to me..
Anyway… money, talent, skills, beauty, brains etc are a “blessing” imho, and we rightly should invest them, or exercise them, or grow them for our own benefit and for the benefit of our family and the world. Otherwise those blessings were wasted on us.
“Anyway… money, talent, skills, beauty, brains etc are a “blessing” imho”
Only in the right place and place. Only in the right place and time.
“Precious metals should never be more than a small fraction of one’s portfolio”
Whoever came up with this idea has lost a massive fortune in the last decade alone.
The dollar is a crowded trade. Gold is 1/2 its real all time high and just made a new all time nominal high.
The silver story is 40X better than gold’s.
I would say 90% of Americans will miss the precious metals bull market while the Asians catch and ride it to glorious effect.
Oh and the US dollar just broke down through 82.
At a minimum one ought to be fully prepared for perpetual grocery store sticker shock.
Social unrest in the states is going to happen due to hyperinflation….soon.
joeyinCalif,
You have hit the issue squarely. Investing. I cannot invest in the Stock Markets like I used to 20 years ago. I got nervous during the 1987 crash. Since then the stock markets have become a casino. Heck, even the CNBC and Bloomberg talking heads are up front about the whole thing being a betting parlor. They openly talk of “placing your bets.”
I’m into investments that I can understand. I know there will be risk, but that risk should be knowable. Fro example, if I invest in oil, which I have done in the past, I would know the current oil market demand, projected future demands, where the exploration is currently done, difficulty of extraction, etc. So, I would evaluate risk as higher for a 1 mile deep well another mile under the sea than a Permian Basin well in W. Texas.
No, no bets.
Roidy
These are bad times for small investors. Nobody can be blamed for seeking safety.
Big boys.. well.. they have lots of extra money to put at risk. They are far more likely to profit from a recession for that reason. Buy low and wait.
I don’t begrudge people for having lots of money because, 9 times out of ten, someone on the family tree worked their asses off and got the ball rolling. Maybe it was way back in 1910.
Well, it’s now 2010 and the question is: Will my descendants have any real money or will they be like me?
It’s my decision. Not theirs.
Sorry joey, but events could wipe you out overnight.
Maybe you haven’t been keeping up with current events.
why you gotta harsh everyone’s buzz..
Maybe that’s why housing is somewhat holding its own here in NW Florida. Investors feel some measure of control and comfort with buying bank foreclosures at 50% off bubble prices versus “investing” at the Wall Street Casino.
I wonder if ancient egyptian peasants had a parchment-blog to rant their frustrastions about the corrupt greedy pharoes. Like the grains of sand in an hourglass…
Frustrastions? hmm…
Try Firefox .. it spell-checks as you type.. underlines misspelled words in red.. has a pretty decent internal dictionary too.
2nd that. But not much of a grammar checker. (I’m making fun of me I just type too fast)
So, just for kicks, I copy pasted pressboardbox’s post. Two more misspellings.
egyptian (Egyptian)
frustrastions (frustrations)
pharoes (pharaohs)
Yeah, it’d be nice to have a smart spell checker.. one that nos (plural form of no) the difference between knows and nos and nose, and what the appropriate word is.
Speaking of which.. give Windows 7’s new and improved Speech Recognition a try. It’s the best I’ve ever used. Interprets your spoken words in context.. I have it on another computer and might start using it to post here.
Obama is having hearings on how to confiscate your IRA and 401Ks. Got your attention now ???
Fear monger much?
Unless you are one of the lucky few these days, your company already owns your 401K in that they can direct how it’s invested and decide on a whim not to match anything.
And the government doesn’t care about your IRA, Wall St. does.
Another worthless political lifer gets his azz handed to him, by one of those tea party nuts. These wins really drive the bed wetting, thumb sucking party hacks crazy and nervous. Good!
Tea Party-Backed O’Donnell Stuns in Delaware Senate Primary(AP)
Tea Party favorite Christine O’Donnell soundly defeats veteran politician Mike Castle for the Republican Senate nomination in Delaware, posing a major upset to the political establishment.
As if the GnOP’s nominees in the mid-atlantic will make a difference in the election outcome.
“veteran politician Mike Castle ”
A verteran politician. Never done anything productive in their lives. Lying to the public, spending hard earned tax payer money, giving favors to his friends/contributors, hanging out with the elites, getting paid by special interest, living the good life and then getting upset by one of those crazy teabaggers. What’s the world coming too?
The tea party is an accumulation of the discontend and the disillusioned. Some are completely crazy (Sarah Palin types & worse) while others are more grounded in reality and actually have a viable plan.
Still, I love it when a “veteran politician” gets thrown out of office. Lifelong leech got removed from its host, gotta love it!
Mike In Miami,
Great post Mike. What’s incredible to me is that, one of the high hopes I had for the internet was, with millions of eyes on ‘all’ of our comings and goings, it just didn’t seem possible… for those ‘in’ the public eye to conduct themselves in a manner inconsistent w/ the public’s best interest?
Pffftt.
The sheeple are too busy watching American Idol and its clones.
In Colorado,
I’m not doubting that, and we can’t ‘all’ be bubble-bloggers. But can we just for a minute stop using American Obama as our excuse for our every shortcoming?
The show ( and the wife happens to like it btw ) is seen by millions of viewers every week. It also NOT seen but untold sums greater. Unlike basketball, it does not run year ’round.
Not going to church doesn’t mean you’re an intellectual and not watching AI doesn’t mean you have the country’s best int. @ heart?
“But can we just for a minute stop using American Obama as our excuse for our every shortcoming?”
Obama is the blackhead on the zit(not a racial reference). The whole zit needs to be popped.
Usually it’s a whitehead when the zit is ready to be popped. I big, almost pulsating, shiny whitehead that makes you a little sick even before it spews its puss and blood all over.
“…..pulsating shiny whitehead….”
Gee, thanks. I was eating lunch when I scrolled upon this little pearl.
It’s part of my new diet book “Gross Yourself Thin!”
I like to see this sort of thing. Gives people at least a faint hope that the ship can be turned around.
Are you kidding me? She is the worst type of FB. How can it be good for a person like this to be elected to the Senate?
http://themoderatevoice.com/85438/what-in-gods-name-are-conservatives-supporting-christine-odonnell-for/
From the article:
“In a radio interview last June, she lied about not having a federal tax lien on her house despite the fact that anyone with a modest ability at using search engines could find it. When the bank threatened to foreclose on her house, serving her personally with papers, she chalked it up to a “technical error by the bank” despite the fact that once again, anyone who bothered to do a little searching could find the mortgage company’s filing.
It turns out that O’Donnell is a deadbeat. She stopped paying her mortgage in October of 2007 while the bank filed the papers in March of 2008 to seize the house. She refused to contest the case and a summary judgment of foreclosure was entered against the property in May. According to a Lexis-Nexis search, the foreclosure was “stayed” – the house had been foreclosed but the sheriff sale had not commenced – when she sold the house to her boyfriend and legal counsel who then paid the outstanding balance as well as more than $2,000 in interest and legal fees.
When questioned about all of this, she has continuously and shamelessly lied. She has attributed the tax lien to “thug politics” and actually denied the property had a lien in the first place. She denied she sold her home while it was in foreclosure despite clear evidence to the contrary.
For months, O’Donnell denied her house had ever been in foreclosure. She simply stopped making payments in October 2007 and never made any move to contest the proceedings and would not “appear, plead or otherwise defend” herself against the mortgage company filing.
The lies don’t stop there. Incredibly, she owes her employees from the 2008 campaign thousands of dollars in unpaid salary and expenses.
Aides who worked for Ms. O’Donnell’s 2008 campaign against then-Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. claim that she withheld thousands of dollars in promised salary and never reimbursed them for out-of pocket expenses.
“Once I and others found out about her personal financial crises and her degree, we left,” David Keegan, a former aide, told The New York Times on Friday. “We were constantly trying to hold her back from spending. She was financially completely irresponsible.”
Details Details Details.
Lets somebody else rob the coffers and hag out with the elite. Doesn’t politics attract morally comprised people? Isn’t what she did a prerequisite for being a politician?
What-A-Shock lol
Really it is kind of sad and awful
It does seem to attract a lot of feckless freebooters. It’s hugely disruptive to run for office, esp at the bottom rungs where you risk it all for part-time, poorly paid work. Lots of self employed guys run and let their businesses go to hell while they’re in office. You have to be nuts or unusually ambitious to subject yourself to that.
The only ones it really makes sense for are the rich or comfortably retired govt workers…but they’re old and all that.
On that page, all the links where she supposedly defends herself or lies or responds are “404 Not Found” dead links..
I get very suspicious when things don’t make sense.. What possible reason is there for lying if it’s such an easily disproved lie?
I would not expect you to be so naive, Joey. Of course she’s a liar, and the reason for lying is that she just got $327,000 in campaign money, and expects millions more in the next 6 weeks before the election. She will take a page from Sarah Palin, pay off all her debts, get a new wardrobe and go on the tea party celebrity trail, even if she loses the election.
REhobby.. If the desire for just a little bit of proof which substantiates some really unbelievable claims is called naivety, then I’m guilty.
I’ve seen alot of criticism of O’Donnell but almost all of it comes from agenda driven partizan websites. Something to keep in mind.
The Tea Party does do a bad job of vetting their candidates though.
She seems like a perfect fit for Washington. Birds of a feather…
rock and hard place. the tea partiers are just the opposite end of the pendulum…their policies will be just as destructive.
As posted yesterday
Tea Party is against net neutrality and used their foaming mouths to get other conservative groups that had supported net neutrality such as Gun Owners of America to pull their support. The only people who are against net neutrality are the large internet providers that have spent millions lobbying against it and I suspect buying off key members of the Tea Party to get the foaming mouths to pressure other conservative groups.
The result will be the cabilization of the internet with higher fees or slower speeds or broken connections if you stray from approved content.
The internet has been called the great equalizer… Every major corporation and govt wants it curtailed. I am frankly surprised it stayed open as long as it has…
The Dems in Delaware are happy because they see it as a guaranteed win in November.
From what I’ve been reading, the Dems are doing political triage, supporting only those candidates who voted for Obamacare, etc. Some Dem candidates will be left to twist in the wind.
I remember when Kerry was running against Bush, and I was listening to a local PBS radio show. Some campaign worker for Kerry in Sarasota called in to say they couldn’t get any help from the party or even the main campaign headquarters and they were floundering and needed assistance. To this day I’m convinced Kerry threw the election, he actually had a chance.
“…the Dems are doing political triage…”
Like the teacher’s bailout?
You betcha! Just like real estate always goes up. Keep whistling past the graveyard. Its going to be a great Halloween.
Hi eastcoaster. I just read yesterday’s posts, and am happy that you and your son are nicely settled.
Mikey’s posts are a hoot, too! Sounds like the bank won’t sell him that house. But I’m just as happy. I can’t picture him in a ginormous house in Wisconsin.
“Mikey’s posts are a hoot, too! Sounds like the bank won’t sell him that house. But I’m just as happy. I can’t picture him in a ginormous house in Wisconsin.”
What!?!
…and why not ?
Did I mention that the house comes with a FREE gopher…I have seen him! I will call him Eddie.
How many of you are gonna get a little pet gopher when you by a house ?
It sure beats sitting in a shuttle bus on Xmas Eve in the Frankfurt Airport snowflakes, waiting to board a plane back to the Middle East.
Years ago, when I started to meet myself in cold lonely airports during the holidays, it was time to get out of that game.
I have friends nearby, a fireplace and always have coffee. The airport and big city is a safe 35 minutes away by freeway.
That ginormous house in Wisconsin…just
picture me…if I get it.
Did I mention that I have coffee for friends ?
I’m just sayin, Mikey. If you end up in 3000 sq ft, you’re going to have to start reproducing to fill up the rooms! Mikey junior, Michaela, Mickey, Michelangelo, Michelle . . . . .
Coffee is for closers.
“I’m just sayin, Mikey. If you end up in 3000 sq ft, you’re going to have to start reproducing to fill up the rooms! Mikey junior, Michaela, Mickey, Michelangelo, Michelle . . . . .”
Tease me if you want too. It is 3568 sq ft and I’m getting a go-cart or an ATV to zoom on around if I get it.
It also comes with a FREE pet gopher in the backyard.
I shall call him Eddie and he WILL be my Friend!!
You’ll be sorry REhobbyist.
Nut cases unite, and take America back where she belongs!
Tea Party’s New Star Is Nuts, says Karl Rove
Christine O’Donnell’s win in Delaware’s Republican Senate primary handed the Tea Party a valuable victory over the GOP establishment but may also have ceded the Democrats a relatively easy route to victory in November. Polls suggest that Democrat Chris Coons will have a far easier time claiming Joe Biden’s old seat against O’Donnell than he would have against Rep. Mike Castle, a 44-year political veteran. Republican leaders freely admitted that they now saw the race as a lost cause, with National Republican Senatorial Committee staffers saying they would divert funds to more competitive races. O’Donnell’s case wasn’t helped by the emergence last night of a clip from a 1996 MTV show showing the Senate hopeful railing against the perils of masturbation. “You can’t masturbate without lust!” she said, equating the practice to adultery. “There are just a lot of nutty things she’s been saying,” Karl Rove said last night. “This is not a race we’re going to be able to win.”
Read original story in Talking Points Memo | Wednesday, Sept. 15, 2010
Jeeeez…… another frootcake with a warped obsession with the sexual proclivities of others. She fits right into the GOP.
“Christine O’Donnell’s win in Delaware’s Republican Senate primary handed the Tea Party a valuable victory over the GOP establishment but may also have ceded the Democrats a relatively easy route to victory in November.”
This is the key point I think is missed by the Tea Party supporters. I favor the Tea Party movement, but think that just going after the bad guys without regard to the overall result will be a disaster to the movement.
If this “election” costs the Republicans another seat, since their candidate is not electable in the general election, they have achieved nothing. I most sincerely wish to see Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the vast majority of Democratic Committee chairs thrown out. If the Tea Party removes winnable candidates from the Republican Party, the result will be a thrown election for the republicans. The Democrats will retain their seats as the majority party. If you are unhappy with the direction of the government over the last couple of years, then defeating the possible winners for Republicans is disastrous. It’s like having Ralph Nader or some other 3rd party candidate take away votes from their own side and remove them from the roster.
This gives the party in power the ability to win with a “plurality”, rather than a majority.
Consequently, I feel the Tea Party will end up doing more harm than good. They will take away votes from Republican candidates and assure a win for the democrats currently sitting in Congress.
It’s like having Ralph Nader or some other 3rd party candidate take away votes from their own side
Talk to smiling Al Gore about that effect.
William F. Buckley was right - vote for the most conservative candidate who can win the general election.
Diogenes,
Certainly one way of looking at it? Hell, I’m not about “propping up” the GOP, in spite of some of the straw arguments you’ll see here.
Like the guys that stormed the beaches on D-Day, I think most of them were resigned to the fact they’d probably never see home again? But if it ‘is’ to be ( then I’m going to take as many of those entrenched encumbents with me as I CAN! )
Sometimes in life, we find ourselves in such an utterly defeated position, we just have no choice other than to come out swinging! At this point, we should be counting Fallen Feifdoms ( not ’seats’ ) IMHO.
You are drinking the Dem kool aid. They want you to be disallusioned and worried. We’ve got too many country club RINOs in the GOP and they need to be culled.
Absolutely correct.
It’s odd how the liberals are wigging out. It’s the Neocons that presently are getting their clocks cleaned. Country-clubbers need to be ousted.
Whether liberal clubbers get wiped off the map will be decided November 2. I hope they get annihilated, too. They deserve to be.
The Political Class has to go.
Rove is a POS. He was running Castle’s and some other RINO’s campaigns and the Tea Party people cleaned Castle’s and his other client’s clock. Sour grapes Rove ! I always thought he was a bit greasy. Let’s pile on !
You sure are worried. And you’re right to be. The populace is fed up with Big Government. The increasing visibility of Tea Partiers is proof of increasing irritation and dismay of Big Government.
Nothing will change that increasing dismay. A hoard of Tea Partiers - even moronic ones- won’t change the overall trend of dismay.
The gig is up. If the Tea Partiers fail, something/someone else will step in to stop the Political Class and Big Governmnet.
+10
The Tea Party is too heavily influenced by social conservatives in my opinion. If you want to win over independents, stick to the fiscal stuff. Stay out of our wallets AND our bedrooms, not our wallets OR our bedrooms.
I do enjoy the anti-incumbent/career politician sentiment though.
That would be the Libertarian party. Already proven to have massive popular appeal, but little political success, particularly on a national scale.
How can you have massive popular appeal but little political success? I think it’s because their popular appeal isn’t really that massive…their fans are just very noisy. And I say that as someone who would like to see them have more influence than they currently have.
I think the answer is that there’s a large segment of the population that aligns more with Libertarian than Republican, but still votes Republican because they “don’t want to throw their vote away” (i.e. they don’t want the Dem to win).
Ugghh…yeah…there’s that. I don’t know what I’m going to vote for in the future, but I don’t want to be “that guy” ever again.
Me either.
I’d much rather take my chances on the “other party” winning by one vote, and “throw away my vote” lending slightly more legitimacy to a third party by casting my vote there, than instead throwing my vote away voting for the lesser of two evils.
“I think the answer is that there’s a large segment of the population that aligns more with Libertarian than Republican, but still votes Republican because they “don’t want to throw their vote away” (i.e. they don’t want the Dem to win).”
Well that’s just it….you need something that has the passion of the Tea Party but that more closely resembles the libertarians. Maybe a bit less preachy and condescending than the libertarians, and with a bit more personality.
Maybe a bit less preachy and condescending than the libertarians
The problem is - it’s hard to create a sea change, based on the premise that recent administrations (going back N nears - take your pick) have royally screwed things up, without being preachy and condescending.
I agree. If the tea party had been strict constitutionalists and fiscal conservatives, I would consider voting for them. But it seems like the people they want to run are social conservatives, which I have no interest in ever voting for.
It’s a sad state of affairs when you almost have to vote for democrats if you don’t want to vote for social discrimination.
And the socially moderate republicans getting kicked to the curb for tea partiers makes it hard for the repubs to wrest control of congress back.
In a two party system, the ideal is that at least one of the legislative bodies is of the opposing party to the president, and the other is about 50/50.
That’s the problem I have with the Libertarians. They talk a good game about being libertarian in all matters, but on specifics, most every one I know, including many (though not all) around here, are anything but socially libertarian. They’re against gay marriage, against a mosque being built on private property, against BP getting sued by people they screwed. When push comes to shove, on social issues, and some economic issues(especially ones that involve any sort of lawsuit against a corporation), they don’t live up to their propaganda.
It makes me think they’re really just about paying no taxes, having no safety net whatsoever, ie nothing for the ‘welfare queens’ (except apparently for themselves- none are surrendering their SS or medicare), and having little or no legitimate financial or environmental regulation.
But as far as people really getting to let their freak flags fly? Sly allusions are made to rough local ‘justice’ which would apparently commence once the yoke of the Feds was removed.
In other words, a pseudo-populist/nationalist party. Their near-blind obedience to and support of a certain leader also has echoes. If that’s America’s third party, let’s keep it small.
No kidding. And what did democrats do? Re-elected Charlie Rangel.
Well, wmbz, all these Tea Partiers must be doing something right. They’re winning plenty of primaries and are driving liberal moonbats crazy. Just check out this board. Insta-Attack.
The Political Class HATES Tea Partiers.
Something finally is moving in the right direction.
And she’s different from a regular Repub, how?
Nothing, NOTHING in her platform shows me she is the slightest bit different. Besides being female.
She’s the typical republican….. angry, involved in everyones personal lives, sub-par intelligence, knee-reactionary rhetoric in lieu of thoughtful reason.
She fits right in….. but will never win.
We need the ultra wealthy elites…… we NEED them.
And we need more government to support and benefit the ultra elites.
My guess is that exeter’s mad because he’s tried for years to be accepted into the Elitist Political Class - to no avail.
Always a bride’s maid and never a bride.
Not hardly. Just fed up with 40k/yr wages slaves like you so stupid as to cheerlead for them……
“And we need more government to support and benefit the ultra elites.”
We already have that. In fact, it’s their only reason for existence these days. But at least you’re honest about it.
And WHY do we need them?
Because they SAY SO! And yer a damn socialeest/libruul/commie if you think otherwise!
Mortgage Applications Index in U.S. Declines for a Second Week
The Mortgage Bankers Association’s index fell 8.9 percent in the week ended Sept. 10, the Washington-based group said today. Refinancing declined by 11 percent, while applications for purchases dropped 0.4 percent.
Demand for homes is being hampered by unemployment near a 26-year high. At the same time, lending rates near record lows may support refinance applications among homeowners who still have equity in their homes and can qualify for loans.
“Demand for homes is being hampered by unemployment near a 26-year high.”
Last night they had a story on the local TeeVee news about the disparity in pay between Federal goobermint jobs and benefits and similar private sector jobs. If you’re working for the goobermint, you got excellent benefits, pension and make on average about a third more. Private sector, in many cases no benefits and you’re sucking swamp water for pay these days.
I was thinking about this yesterday, but from the stand-point of worker mobility. It seems the private sector is entering a period where jobs will be shorter-termed, meaning workers will have to move more often to stay employed in their field (or what-ever their current field repeatedly evolves into).
Contrast that with government jobs which are generally more tied to a specific geographic location. Imagine what it would be like if school teachers had to relocate to a different state periodically to stay employed.
Now, think of the ramification on “settleing” and ‘home buying”. Those are 2 characteristics often cited for a nice, stable community. Government workers will have a much better opportunity to raise their kids in the same community and near the grandparents/family than a lot of private sector workers.
Another benefit that is often overlooked for government workers.
Don’t govt workers deserve a little extra compensation for wasting their lives away?
Seriously.. i wonder who would choose to work for the govt if it paid less than they could get for the same work, but in the private sector..
I work for a state university, which means that instead of just seeing patients, doing surgeries, and marketing myself in private practice, I’ve also been able to teach residents and medical students and do research. I can also see all types of patients, even indigent, which you can’t do in private practice if you want to make money. The variety has kept me sane, and I frankly don’t miss the money that my private practice buddies make.
I am employed by a ginormous multispecialty group that in turn is owned by a “not-for-profit” hospital corporation I call the Borg. I don’t miss things like having to find a malpractice insurer, arranging my own health and disablility insurance, etc. The hospital has a pension plan, which is something I never had in private practice. But everyone in my department resents the confiscation of the fruits of our labor by the hospital administration. And there are doctors who won’t send us their lab work because we are the Borg. So I have well-mixed feelings about being an employee.
“If you’re working for the goobermint, you got excellent benefits, pension and make on average about a third more. Private sector, in many cases no benefits and you’re sucking swamp water for pay these days.”
Certainly true for the lower skilled w/o a college degree.
Yes, federal wages are MUCH flatter than thos in private industry. Certainly the CEOs of many middlin’ sized, secont tier companies make more than the POTUS.
“Private sector, in many cases no benefits and you’re sucking swamp water for pay these days.”
I wonder if the automakers have seen the light and understand that new auto sales are going to continue to shrink.
My “walking the dog” index indicates that new auto purchases in my neighborhood are way, way down when compared with just a few years ago. Use to be I’d see several cars and trucks with the tell tale temporary tag in the rear window. Now it’s one or two at most.
But auto execs don’t live in Colorado. They live in the industrial Midwest. New car tags are almost a prevelent now as they were 3 years ago in this part of the country. So an auto exec’s “walking the dog” index probably yields a different result than your’s.
Of course, those auto execs are probably wondering why actual national sales don’t match their “dog” index. Will probably disgard the actual sales numbers and blame the accountants for bad info when it comes to planning their next move.
Once the next leg down arrives they (auto execs) will remember wistfully the years (like 2010) when they sold as many as 11 million cars a year.
These are going to be the “good old days”
Demand for homes is being hampered by
unemployment near a 26-year highstill insanely high prices.Fixed it!
It’s nice to see bloggers catching the editorial mistakes that just don’t seem to get caught in the “main stream” press. I don’ think they have editorial boards that can discover the truth. In fact, I am more and more convinced that the papers write the story, and then go find the “facts” to support their views. It’s the only way we could get stories from such a deranged point of view.
At LEAST 15 million people cannot afford to buy a house. That’s a fact.
Demand for homes is being dampened by reality. Hype alone no longer works.
Thank you wmbz for posting relevant information. Your kind manner approach is appreciated as well. Good luck wit da crib.
Thanks!
Da new cribs kitchen is almost done, we will be moved in by the weekend, and I will continue on with the needed projects.
I’m impressed, wmbz. My husband and son are going to try to remodel a bathroom in a couple of weeks. We bought a sink/vanity and toilet from Home Depot for $150 and we have a bunch of leftover vinyl flooring. My younger son is moving out of the foreclosure we bought. The bathroom was in bad shape when we bought it in 1/09, and now that our young slob is moving on, we’ll try to save money by having my husband and son do the work. We did a bathroom years ago in our first house - it was fun to lay the tile, etc., and it saved us a lot of money. I wouldn’t try a tub/shower, however. Luckily the tub/shower is in good shape.
Real IRA says it will target UK bankers
the guardian
Banks and bankers are now potential targets for the Real IRA, leaders of the dissident republican terror group have warned in an exclusive interview with the Guardian. Despite having only 100 activists they also said that targets in England remained a high priority.
In an attempt to tap into the intense hostility towards the banks on both sides of the Irish border they branded bankers as “criminals” and said: “We have a track record of attacking high-profile economic targets and financial institutions such as the City of London. The role of bankers and the institutions they serve in financing Britain’s colonial and capitalist system has not gone unnoticed.
“Let’s not forget that the bankers are the next-door neighbours of the politicians. Most people can see the picture: the bankers grease the politicians’ palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest. It’s essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims.”
It’s essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims.
No arguments there, but terror attacks are not the way to deal with this situation. Constitutional reforms would be much better. (I guess first England would have to HAVE a constitution.)
Oh they have a constitution, but it’s not written down. They claim it’s better that way. But after reading books like Bagehot’s “The English Constitution” I personally would have a hard time describing what is and is not constitutional under the British system.
Unlike the US constitution, in the UK the power lies with “crown in parliament” rather than with the people. There are essentially NO limits on what legislation parliament may enact. There is no “Art. I section 8 paragraph 8″ enumeration of permissible subject matter.
There is no independent supreme court. A panel in the House of Lords decides the constitutionality of legislation. How many US bills would be held unconstitutional if we used the Senate Judiciary Committee in lieu of a Supreme Court?
I wonder whether the Earth Firsters/ELF types in this country could morph their attacks in a similar fashion.
Buda lives!
Sleazy Megabanks doing what sleazy megabanks do best:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/15/1825108/major-banks-boost-payday-loan.html
pb, there is nothing to prevent YOU from lending money to those who have a very shaky employment and credit history. Feel free to undercut the interest rates being charged by the banks.
Appendix:
“shaky employment and credit history or future.”
Bill, apparently they did the loans to anyone with a pulse for the last few years with YOUR money. Now they are charging huge risk premiums for the same $hitty loans.
Sounds like they’ve wised up.
We definitely need a return of the 18% interest rate cap. If folks are not credit worthy at that rate, they should not get loans at all!
Come on, where’s the churn fees and secondary collections market in that?
Usury is just the free markets at work! Next thing you’ll be saying we shouldn’t kick widows, old people and orphans to the curb!
SoCal home sales drop 13.8 percent in August
Channel 7 Evening News Los Angeles (last night) -A renter talks up renting, and a buyer talks about waiting,rental firm talks about deals… hooray!
This video segment on MSM is exactly what I’ve been waiting for.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/consumer&id=7668299
U.S. Home Prices Face Three-Year Drop as Inventory Surge Looms
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-15/u-s-home-prices-face-three-year-drop-as-inventory-surge-looms.html
I really like this five-year house price chart that is linked in the article, wipeout. Every spring there is a little zig up, followed by a big zag down in the winter. There should finally be some deals this January, I hope. Or we can wait until Jan 2012.
Whoops, I forgot to include the link to the chart. The one-year is on top; the five-year a little further down. I wish they had a ten-year, so we could really see where we’re headed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=ETSLMP:IND#chart
After reaching bottom, prices will gain at the historic annual pace of 3 percent, requiring more than 10 years to return to their peak, he said.
Return to their peak? Not in my lifetime.
Hey, 2,000 is more than 10. So this guy is correct.
“Everyplace is walking distance, if you have the time” - Steven Wright.
Holy smokes! Say it ain’t so, Karl!
(He’s is the ‘Case’ in Case-Shiller.)
The slide in values and record-low interest rates may offer some bargains for property hunters. Prices have returned to historically affordable levels, said Karl Case, professor emeritus of economics at Wellesley College in Wellesley, Massachusetts, and co-creator of the S&P/Case-Shiller index. He estimates a bottom for prices in six months.
“It doesn’t take a tremendous number of people to turn the housing market, because only about 5 percent of the stock trades in a given year,” Case said in a telephone interview. “There’s still a lot of people who are employed, many of whom have been looking for the opportunity to buy.”
Cooperstown A-Frame
Case is an example of a homeowner waiting to sell because of low demand. He’s seeking to sell the A-frame on 15 acres near Cooperstown, New York, that he bought for $190,000 in 2005.
“I want to keep it if I can’t get what I want,” he said. “It’s a terrific little getaway and I’m not going to give it away.”
Wow, so it’s almost over and nobody had to “give it away”. Mission Accomplished.
Despite their index ties, Case != Shiller, I’ve observed, with case in point.
(pun intended)
I have listened to Shiller and he shills for housing industry quite a bit.
Yes, me too (it’s partly his job). He also (disappointingly) tends to be very pro-Fed.
However he seems to be a lot more realistic, in terms of realizing and stating how much pain is ahead. Plus he was, of course, the highest-profile indicator of the bubble and subsequent predictor of the crash.
+1 packman.
I’ve seen a number of quotes from Case over the years that had the telltale whiff of hope mixed with desperation when he would opine about the future.
I have generally not agreed with Shiller’s plees for the Fed to do even more, but I have thought his forecasts of the future far more likely.
“He estimates a bottom for prices in six months. ”
IIRC, he also forecast a bottom for prices in six months over a year ago.
From the Bloomie story:
“The slide in U.S. home prices may have another three years to go as sellers add as many as 12 million more properties to the market.”
Which means that the slumlord to the east of me is selling in a fabuloso market. (He listed the property yesterday.)
To chime in stats a moment. In the current REO newsletter for the REIC I read:
12M mortgages currently in delinquent state
5.5M homes somewhere in the foreclosure process
900,000 homes in Realty Trac’s database w/ 300,000 of those in the national MLS database or sold.
Add all the loans yet to reset, and so forth.
This isn’t going to be over for a long time.
I just posted the article so we can all read what the MSM is telling the sheeples. I’m licensed in Ca, due to my former position with a REIT.
Fed $$$ at work in sunny Mesa, AZ:
Mesa, Chandler (Arizona) receive $5.3 million to buy foreclosed homes - East Valley Tribune 9-14-10
Mesa and Chandler have secured $5.3 million in federal funds to continue buying foreclosed homes in especially troubled areas.
This is the second round of funds for the cities, which have gutted rundown homes and resold them to low- to moderate-income people. Also, some funds have refurbished apartments to be used by nonprofit organizations.
Mesa was awarded $4 million last week, in addition to $9.6 million it received previously. The city has used its first round of money after buying 37 homes and 33 apartments.
Mesa’s purchases have been south and east of downtown in the 85204 zip code, which suffers from the city’s highest foreclosure rate. The city has purchased some of the most blighted properties in that area, giving them a new look with paint, landscaping and interiors to buildings dating from the 1950s and 1960s.
“You get a practically new home when all is said and done,” said Ray Thimesch, who coordinates the city’s neighborhood stabilization program.
Mayor Scott Smith said he typically prefers to let market forces address problems, but he said government intervention was necessary to turn around some areas where developers aren’t willing to invest.
“This is an area where the market has failed us as a community,” Smith said.
Mesa is still renovating some homes, and will use proceeds from the sales to buy and restore other homes until the fund is depleted. The city aims to renovate about 50-60 houses.
Mesa’s new $4 million should allow it to renovate another 35 homes, Thimesch said.
($4 million / 35 homes = $114,285.71 per home worth of “renovations”. Most if not all of these places were worth much less than $114,000 before renovations.)
“This is an area where the market has failed us as a community,” Smith said.
When a community depends on section-8 and welfare how can this guy honestly talk about market forces?
Jobs? Education? Health care?
Is this a trick question?
($4 million / 35 homes = $114,285.71 per home worth of “renovations”. Most if not all of these places were worth much less than $114,000 before renovations.)
Good point. And it’s one that’s been loudly made in Tucson, where a similar effort is underway.
How many times so far did responsible homeowners have to resend aid to the irresponsible ones?
Responsible homeowners resent aid to the irresponsible
Suing: Anthony and April Soper of Lake Stevens, Wash., might be part of a class action lawsuit against Bank of America over mortgage modification.
By Steve G. Schneider for USA TODAY
Are the homeowners profiled in the article “Loan modification snags spark suits” seriously expecting average Americans to support their lawsuit? The cover story refers to a couple in Lake Stevens, Wash., suing Bank of America because their $4,000 monthly mortgage was not permanently reduced (Money, Friday).
Photographs that accompanied the story show what appears to be a large luxury home and manicured lawn. Call me old fashioned, but I fail to see why U.S. taxpayers and Bank of America should subsidize extravagant home buyers with champagne tastes and beer budgets.
Helping folks dealing with chronic unemployment, disease or other tragedy is one thing. Using tax dollars to finance designer kitchens and professional landscaping is quite another. Even in the event of bankruptcy or foreclosure, it’s likely that the couple will continue to reside in their luxury home, free of payments, for two years before the bank actually takes the home back.
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At first I thought the article discussed was non-delinquent borrowers (e.g. like me) suing BofA for offering modifications to delinquent borrowers and not to non-delinquent borrowers, period. That’s a suit I’d love to take part in.
Alas - unfortunately it appears this unfair activity is actually federal policy, thus the suit probably wouldn’t go far.
packman
How about what happen to me w/ BofA. I wrote them about Foreclosures and Short Sales, asking for a list, and telling them I was going to be a cash transaction. They write me back, asking for loan information. It seems they can’t track down my loan. What loan?
Then I reply, asking for a retraction letter admiting their error, and nada. Remember when they foreclosed on a home the couple paid cash for in Florida? Well now its up to three homeowners, all paid cash. Well, with my luck, I want to CMA (we’re cash, too). Yikes, a file in their Loan Dept with my name on it scares me.
What I don’t understand is how this could happen? Even with a Non-Judicial Foreclosure you still need documents.
Mis-identification happens lot more than most people realize.
Most court operations are handled by the clerks and rote procedures. They rely upon the parties involved to provide accurate documents and have NO obligation to verify anything.
The first rule in this society is ironclad CYA.
You CAN lose everything overnight by some screw up by the courts and the most you might get back is “Oops, my bad.”
“I don’t see how it went down that much in those years. It should have gone up,” Says woman who refinanced her house in 2004 for $145,000 and is trying to sell it for $90,000
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100912/BUSINESS05/100919919/0/FRONTPAGE
Wow… the delusion runs deep.
can’t access the story for technical reasons, but I’ll mention this…
Toledo Ohio’ s economy is closely linked to it’s close and larger neighbor to the north: Detroit. Apparently, this woman can’t see declining economic activity all around her.
My parents are like that. The city they live in has not changed much in 40 years, except for sporadic new houses and schools here and there. They look around and don’t see any economic decline, which is probably true in absolute dollars. What they don’t see is all the economic advancement the rest of the country has made in the past 40 years.
It’s people driving into the area from outside that are taken back by the 40 year lack of economic activity.
“What they don’t see is all the economic advancement the rest of the country has made in the past 40 years”
Wow… you nailed it. This is very much the case for my family and the natives who never left VT and there very upper reaches of upstate NY. They’re completely blind to the world outside their day to day sphere(30 mile radius).
Sounds peaceful!
40 years ago San Jose had a population of 450,000. Today it’s over one million. That’s more typical of a thriving economy.
40 years ago my hometown in Ohio had 48,000 people. Today it has about 52,000. But then again, it’s annexed some additional land so that probably acccounts for all of the increase… and then some.
This article points out the precise reason that it is absolutely essential for the PTB to ensure that another sharp decline in U.S. housing prices or in commercial real estate does not occur. The big question is whether this plan is feasible, given other constraints.
Banks bounce back, but can they handle next crisis?
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“They have more capital. Much better management of their liquidity. In general, they’re being more cautious,” says Simon Johnson, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “But the overall culture remains the same, and the system is largely unreformed.”
Last year’s government-run stress tests led to the nation’s 19 largest banks raising $205 billion in capital to buttress themselves against future losses. Another sharp decline in U.S. housing prices or in commercial real estate could yet hammer bank balance sheets. Likewise, if Europe’s major banks suffer significant losses on their holdings of government debt from countries such as Greece or Ireland, U.S. banks could feel the aftershocks. If the economy sinks into a double-dip recession, U.S. banks would need to raise an additional $80 billion in capital, the International Monetary Fund concluded this summer.
“Stability is tenuous. … Bank balance sheets remain fragile, and capital buffers may still be inadequate in the face of further increases in non-performing loans,” said the 51-page IMF study.
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My prediction - there’s decline ahead, but constant propping efforts (biggest of which being an indefinite continuation of ZIRP) will prevent a sharp decline - it’ll instead be a long slow grind; just shallow enough to keep enough FB’s locked in their homes so that the big banks can continue their profits, until eventually the inventory overhang is reduced to a manageable level.
That’s what I would consider a best-case-scenario (for the banks, and the short-term economy). Despite my prediction however I also wouldn’t rule out the possibility of another complete crash, possibly worse than 2008.
Japan
Exactly.
Initial steep drop, followed by years of slow grind down.
(We’ve already had the initial steep drop)
It’s all contained.
Some of you Harry Reid lovers on this sight must be getting indigestion . He is running against “Alley Cat Angle” . She will win .
“She will win .”
From your lips to God’s ears. Reid is trying to do as much damage as he can on the way out, attaching that horrid Dream Act to the Defense spending bill. He has my best wishes for a lousy retirement.
Perhaps you think I’m kidding when I demand that anti-Government foamers cut off the seniors. I’m not.
What you have is a generation that wanted more for itself, but didnt’ want to pay. What you hear is about doing less for future and younger generations, cutting taxes, increasing senior benefits, and borrowing to pay for it.
I’m prepared to get out of this EITHER way. But stop the hyporcrisy. The problem isn’t Democrats or Republicans or Bush or Obama. In fact, it isn’t Obama at all. It is those “at or over 55,” in the words of former President Bush.
Republicans have been pandering to them and selling out the future for 30 years. And Democrats have been, and are, gutless.
WT, I do get your point of view. But being in that mid-50s age range, I can tell you, we are the ones who will first be cut off, if it happens gradually. I’ve already accepted this. I don’t expect Social Security and Medicare to fund my retirement.
Two words that a senior fears most are “means testing”. Living in a retirement area, I can tell you that many of these seniors are completely oblivious. Some are great folks who worked hard all their lives. Some are complete loafs and actually quite nasty. In other words, they’re just like any other age range.
It is very possible that seniors, in the near future, will be cut off with a rude shock. I think it will happen suddenly rather than gradually, just like Castro’s massive government layoff.
If you want to see a generation that considers themselves entitled, live in or near a middle class retirement community. These folks are constantly having smoke blown up their azzes through targeted senior advertising and marketing. Anyone seen the Hoveround commercials? Testimonials from folks looking like they’ve won the lottery because they have a motorized wheelchair “AT NO COST TO ME!”. Arrrgghhh!
And then you’ve got the “I’m on a fixed income” mantra. I’ve learned how to handle that razzmatazz. When some oldster gives me that guff as an excuse not to do or buy something, I give them a huge smile and tell them how great it is and how lucky they are, most people don’t have any sort of income to count on these days.
And I think I might have mentioned the other day some lady on line with me at the Post Office asking if I still worked (like it was something to be pitied). I said “Of course, someone has to pay into Social Security”.
Right. So we can have:
1) A government-funded health care system that promises unlimited money to everyone, and go broke.
2) No government-funded health care system, and have the non-rich face poverty, ill health and early death as they age — instead of just facing that until age 65, when they win the lottery.
Or.
3) A government funded health are system that provides a basic, non-escalating level of care for all, with people free to purchase more on their own, and no whining about “death panels.”
I happen to favor number three, but I’ll settle for two — if today’s seniors are cut off right now and we pay off their national debt instead.
palmetto,
Good for you! Great attitude ( great lines ) Can’t -wait- until I get the first opportunity to shoehorn them into a conversation!
You’re… on a ‘fixed’ income!? ( Hey, could you spot me a couple of bucks? )
Have you ever noticed how people born before around 1950 or so, especially guys, will often make a point of telling you how old they are, even when it has no particular bearing on the conversation. “Well, I’m 65, and bla bla bla …” Well, most people do live into their 60’s and 70’s, it’s not like it’s a great accomplishment just to live to that age. But the mentality is that just being a certain age confers some special status, or entitles you to something.
“And then you’ve got the “I’m on a fixed income” mantra.”
Those losers don’t realize that pretty much anyone who earns more than a menial wage these days is salaried and doesn’t get overtime pay.
Heck, I’ll be 50 next year. Doesn’t that entitle me to AARP membership and lower prices at McDonalds?
And a mere five years later, according to the public employee unions, I should never have to do anything for anyone else ever again! (Or at least that would be true if I still worked for the government).
You ought to see them clamoring for extra strokes on the golf course!!!!
Heck, I’ll be 50 next year. Doesn’t that entitle me to AARP membership and lower prices at McDonalds?
I periodically get the AARP’s e-mails. Up until recently, it was impossible to unsubscribe from them. But someone musta fixed that, because I can now click on a link and get rid of them. For a while, at least.
And what’s my beef against the AARP? Well, for one thing, the senior entitlement mentality that others have been describing.
Also, the fact that it’s a business. A big business. But it dons the mantle of a group that’s looking out for the poor little old ladies and gentlemen, which is supposed to make the rest of us feel all warm and fuzzy toward it.
If you’re over 65 in Pismo you can tee off from the ‘woman’s tees’ and get 75 cent coffee at MickeyDees.Woop woop !
It may surprise you to discover that we have been expecting this. I went to work at age 13, and have paid taxes and social security since 1965. ALL of it went to the “greatest generation” who didn’t pay a fraction of what they received. Imagine how much better off I’d be, if the world had adopted your attitude in 1965! Those of us who saw this coming are prepared, most are not. What you need to accept is, that the baby boomers vote, and you won’t be able to cut them off. Maybe the best plan would be to eliminate future benefits to anyone under 40, then their children wouldn’t be caught in this Ponzi scheme.
Corporations have received more “welfare” than any other group combined.
So lay off the working stiffs. Lack of compassion is not considered a noble trait, even less so when it comes to kicking old people to the curb.
Seriously. Do ever listen to yourself?
Please tell me there is no such thing as a “Harry Reid lover”?
WHO on this site loves Harry Reid? Anyone? Bueller?
Angle is a nut, and Reid is a toad. What a horrible choice NV voters have to make.
Special Report: Blue-collar, unemployed and seeing red
FERNDALE, Michigan (Reuters) - Scott Stevenson was only 10 years old when he first heard grown-ups voice the gloomy words that, in retrospect, predicted the disappointing arc his life has taken.
“I remember them actually telling us that our generation would be the first not to be better off than our parents,” said the 39-year-old Stevenson. “It was fifth grade and I remember thinking, ‘How do you know?’”
Three decades later, the pessimistic prognostication he was so quick to dismiss as a boy now seems, as he put it, “like a prophecy.”
Stevenson is one of the 14.9 million U.S. workers who are officially jobless, according to the latest statistics from the U.S. Department of Labor. More depressingly, he is also among the 6.2 million unfortunate enough to have been that way for 27 weeks or more — a beleaguered cohort that the government dubs the “long-term unemployed.”
Over the past four years, Stevenson has lost almost everything. His $38,000-a-year factory job as well as the three-bedroom home it helped him buy are gone. Two years ago, when his mortgage company finally foreclosed on him, he moved into the basement of his parents’ home.
“I hate it,” he said. “It’s driving me nuts. I’m almost 40 years old and I’m not able to take care of myself. But I don’t have any other option.”
In June, after 99 weeks on the dole, his unemployment benefits ran out. He hasn’t had to sell his truck and work tools — yet — and he recently picked up some temporary contract work that put a little cash in his pocket. But he spends most of his days at his parents’ home, trawling the Internet for jobs that don’t pan out or playing computer games — “anything,” he said, “that doesn’t cost money.”
On warm days, he takes his bike out for a ride around the neighborhood. It’s an older subdivision than where he lived, filled with solid-looking but modestly sized brick homes.
It sits alongside I-696, a highway dedicated to Walter Reuther, the union organizer whose strikes against Ford Motor Co and General Motors in the early 1940s forced the U.S. car industry to recognize the United Auto Workers union. In the process, Reuther helped produce this country’s blue-collar, middle class, a group whose prosperity helped shape the post-war U.S. economy and was, for decades, the envy of workers worldwide.
Reuther died in 1970 and the dream he helped create began unraveling soon thereafter as employment in manufacturing — the sector that, together with construction, reliably sustained the blue-collar middle class — steadily shrank.
But the U.S. recession and the nearly simultaneous restructuring of the auto industry have delivered the most savage one-two punch that class has absorbed in a generation. Of the more than 8 million U.S. jobs lost in the downturn, nearly half were in either manufacturing or construction — higher-wage sectors that traditionally provided entry-level jobs that turned into well-paying careers jobs for people like Stevenson, whose formal education stopped after high school.
In a midterm election year, where the economy is issue No. 1, his plight and that of millions of men and women like him helps explain the sagging support for President Barack Obama’s Democratic party, which is expected to see its majorities in the House of Representatives and Senate eroded in the November 2 vote.
One of the people voting Republican that day will be Stevenson’s mom, 63-year-old Joan Stevenson. The daughter of a machinist and a self-described “Jack Kennedy Democrat,” she voted for Obama in 2008 but has been disappointed by how little his administration’s polices have helped unemployed workers like her son.
“The Democratic Party isn’t what it used to be for us,” she said. “The philosophy used to be if the Democratic Party was in power everybody got a piece of the pie, and if the Republicans were in power the rich got a piece of the pie. Now, nobody is getting a piece of the pie.”
Scott is a young single guy. He can move out of Michigan and find a job somewhere else. There is no reason for him to stay. His mother is an enabler, and I think it’s hilarious that she thinks that any pol of either party will find her son a job!
“he moved into the basement of his parents’ home”
( What we at The Onion like to refer to as “downward mobility” )
Roight! As Ben has warned time and again, many of us here whined that The Bubble was the ’cause’ of all our problems! ( Myself included ) used it as a crutch, a credit card with NO spending limit!
Now it’s Obama this and the gubmint that. You’re 39 ( God I’d give anything to be that age again! ) and have two good arms and two good legs, he was able to ride his bike anyway, sack up and move on.
At age 39 I was applying to law school so I could have a new career - after my career in defense evaporated in the post-USSR early 1990’s.
After two years of living in mom’s basement he should at least have gotten an AA degree in some kind of practical field.
Or he could hitchhike out to San Francisco. I hear the city pays the homeless pretty well out there…
It’s important to remember that roughly half the population has an IQ of less than 100, which means they really aren’t fit to do anything other than menial work. The guy probably graduated HS with a C- average.
And besides, what trades do they teach at CCs? I would say that most are construction related. I hguess he could learn to be a car mechanic if they have that kind of program available.
Hey, that’s not true in Lake Wobegon!
In Colorado,
Please tell me that last post was in jest. That was about the most arrogant ( and ignorant ) think I’ve seen posted here in a long, long time.
DinOR - you have to understand - many people have the belief that your lot in life is determined when sperm meets egg. What’s the point in trying to better yourself if you have limited cranial capacity?
That being said - that post is so out there it sounds tongue-in-cheek. If it’s not, then I agree it’s extremely arrogant and ignorant.
“Please tell me that last post was in jest. That was about the most arrogant ( and ignorant ) think I’ve seen posted here in a long, long time.”
Just saying that it’s unreasonable to expect people with low IQs to be able to learn some hi tech trade that requires brains. We love to drone on how people with low skill sets deserve poverty wages, but how realistic is it for the less intelligent to learn a profession that requires some above average gray matter? And these days most non menial jobs do require brains.
We’ve been more than happy to export the jobs the not so intelligent did, and now we expect them to become molecular biologists?
packman,
Yeah, don’t get me wrong, I get frustrated w/ a lot of these folks that were going along just fine in life ( then they hit (1) obstacle ) and they’re Basement Bound!
( Must be a song title somewhere I’m sure )
As I mentioned the other day, if we’re to move forward as a nation, we really need to get to the bottom of ‘why’ ppl feel entitled to use their un-employment cards at strip clubs and liquor stores?
Brow beating them because they don’t attend The Ressurected Church of The Sacred Housing Bubble isn’t helping matters! True, annointing them w/ victim status hasn’t worked but reaching out to them in a productive and concerned fashion won’t hurt any of ‘us’ either.
many people have the belief that your lot in life is determined when sperm meets egg. What’s the point in trying to better yourself if you have limited cranial capacity?
Forrest Gump was an entertaining movie, but reality is not like that. If you are of below average intelligence you will probably not do all that well in 21st century America.
And we wonder why so many people became realtors, mortgage brokers, etc?
As I mentioned the other day, if we’re to move forward as a nation, we really need to get to the bottom of ‘why’ ppl feel entitled to use their un-employment cards at strip clubs and liquor stores?
How many people actually do that? Does anyone know?
In Colorado,
I agree in principle - maybe. As technology advances, it appears, from a surface view at least, that it generally requires more intelligence to do the “average” job over time, as a large portion of below-average jobs (e.g. manufacturing) get automated and/or outsourced.
But I’m not so sure that principle applies across the spectrum of jobs though. There are a lot of “above average intelligence” jobs that are automated now too. MS Excel now does the job that used to be done by accountants. It used to require a degreed programmer to create a computer GUI interface or a web page - now there are tools out there that allow someone with just a lay person’s computer skills to do a GUI interface (or create a web page, etc.). Just look at what Ben’s done with this blog for instance ( just kidding Ben - seeing if you read everything). It’s now super-easy to create a web page via blogging tools out there.
Back to the general statement though, that below-100 IQ can only do “menial” jobs - I would disagree with that generalization; though it really depends on what you define as menial. Would you consider a sales clerk at a department store, or a specialty store, as menial? Could be, though I probably wouldn’t. How about a power line technician? Or a grade-school teacher? Seems to me none of those are menial, are not automate-able, but do not require someone of above-100 IQ.
P.S. Keep in mind that even though (by definition) half of the population has below-average IQ - the overall average IQ is not static - it has been rising over time. As a result IQ tests have to be occasionally re-baselined so that the average score is 100.
“and now we expect them to become molecular biologists”
Gag! Hack, hack… turning… blue! Help. I’m suffocating on STRAW!
Would you consider a sales clerk at a department store, or a specialty store, as menial? Could be, though I probably wouldn’t. How about a power line technician? Or a grade-school teacher? Seems to me none of those are menial, are not automate-able, but do not require someone of above-100 IQ.
My gut feel is that all three of those probably need to be above 100 IQ, except maybe the sales clerk…but then they better look good.
packman,
What I found incredible about the whole discussion ( and thank you for those excellent points of ref. btw! ) is that this entire freaking recession was described as a White Collar Recession from it’s very inception!
Unless anyone knows different? It was all the tech/fin. folks that were shown the door ‘first’! J6P and his buddies are still diggin’ a trench on a porkulus project ’somewhere’.
My gen. exp. about recessions is, the more qual’d you ‘are’ ( the more disappointed you’re going to be! )
Obama’s Health Tzar will give you the blue pill when you get sick. The guy running Obama motors to get $9,000,000 this year. Isn’t that just great. As to the IQ being about 100; that’s why we got Obama.
Remember the way to get into an Ivy league school is to dot every I and cross every t
And we expect those who get 4.0 or 1500+ on the SAT’s to be creative intuitive and can think outside the box for new solutions
I hope that myth is proven to be false once and for all.
In Colorado wrote:
Dinor wrote:
Having worked in both the high IQ and low IQ world, and having been the among the smartest of a lower IQ group and among the stupider of a high IQ group, I can attest to the fact that not everyone is going to be able to do high IQ work.
It’s just reality. Intelligence is complex, but at the end of the day, it’s the result of physical processes. Suggesting everyone can do high IQ jobs is like suggesting everyone can be an NFL lineman.
Nature is very, very politically INcorrect. That brings to mind another quote though: “Nature is cruel. But we don’t have to be.” - Temple Grandin.
But - I think we do need to deal with facts and reality when trying to come up with social policies that have the most societal benefit.
“..‘why’ ppl feel entitled to use their un-employment cards at strip clubs and liquor stores?”
As this is just ignorant fear mongering, you never will “get the bottom of it.”
The biggest welfare queens in this nations are the large corporations. When they set the example of being able make it on their own, then you can start blaming the “lazy folk.”
“I think we do need to deal with facts and reality when trying to come up with social policies that have the most societal benefit.”
I’ve often wondered about people that proudly proclaim to have high IQs and perseverance who constantly ignore facts.
Outlook Clouds Fed Move
Officials Disagree Over Threshold for Further Action to Boost Economy.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704285104575491813115042140.html
Damn Microsoft!
Oh wait…
`Death Spiral’ Awaits State-Worker Pensions as Illinois Leads Underfunding
(Who didn’t see this coming?)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-15/-death-spiral-awaits-state-worker-pensions-as-illinois-leads-underfunding.html
WT Economist.
The Good News — It’s always fun to hate your parents and older people.
The Bad news — You’re gonnan get old too.
(unless of corse, somebody from AARP squashes you with an electric scooter..or something)
Up the Revolution …and NEVER trust anyone under 55 !!
Dang, mikey, you’ve just made my day.
BTW, I’ve been following your housing saga with great interest. You’re doing us HBBers proud.
Anything else to report? Your last installment yesterday was priceless.
Yes, some silly short sale adventure news.
Being the sweet a lovable guy that I am, I gave everybody another chance (for some unknown reason) to steal my money.
The lender wants 215k in their counter. Dream on, the shack probably lost 40k in value while you’ve guys have been dicking around for the past 3 weeks.
I went to Kinko’s and fired off the following ammendments to my origional offer to my RE agent.
1. Purchase price $195k
(my same original offer stays the same)
2.Deadline for lender approval is changed from Sept. 1, 2010 to on or before Sept. 24, 2010.
3. Seller still must replace the H2O softener.
4. Subject to inspections and so on is the same.
5. THIS IS THE BUYERS FINAL OFFER.
Essentially, I just gave the lenders Loss Mitigation guys the same old Contract, Price I gave them before EXCEPT their rejection kills the deal this time around.
Who cares !
Oh!
and close by NO LATER than 1 Oct. 2010
Ooops
And some of the RE sites reflect the “mistake” in the MLS listing price from $199K to whaich went to 220k…
Except Zillow which is sitting the with NO PRICE, just taxes and a very blank look on it’s face since this morning !
my name is mikey and the Housing Bubbl
cont:
is Safe cause I’m driving up the prices.
Damn Mikey I thought you would have shown some uh Ballzz and added the price goes down $3K every monday morning at 8 am if we have not closed.
Make em work on the da weekends for free…
“Damn Mikey I thought you would have shown some uh Ballzz and added the price goes down $3K every monday morning at 8 am if we have not closed.”
Nah…I’m thinking going soft and selling out.
In fact, I think NAR wants to give me an award for the Best 20k overnight Run-up in a house price by a lay person for 2010.
Hey, it’s a recession and we all have to….
“Just what do you think you’re doing, Ben? Ben, I really think I’m entitled to an answer to that question”
When I get old I only hope I’m not making my children worse off. That would be unacceptable to me.
I for one never believed that deficits don’t matter.
WT Economist,
Seriously, I know and understand where you are coming. It’s rough on everyone and especially the young trying to start out and looking towards their futures. Seems even the ever handy days of grabbing a shovel or broom jobs, just to tied you over until things get a little better, have all but disappeared.
The only thing the most older people can do in general is try to be supportive, help out when the kids are trying, keep a light in the window if things really crash for them and they need a chance to eat, rest, re-coup and get a fresh set of tires(between young and old friends) or a an on the side grubstake to get them going again.
I was fortunate enough to steer a young man that really needed a job and wanted to work into a job with friends a few weeks ago. It’s manual labor but it pays good and he is very happy. He thanked me several times but now he just gives me a smile and a grin whenever he swings by with his crew.
Right time, right place. Two years ago, my kid needed a summer job with them. They just weren’t hiring then.
Most older people were kids once, they probably have kids too. Many that I know, really hate what they are seeing today and be it simple job or the high cost of living, many empathize….with you. They have probably been in that situation themselves…once or twice.
just sayin’
+1
The only group I see who wants something for nothing are the PTB.
Well at least you have a low expense house to give to your kids when you go…they may appreciate that a whole lot more then anything you give or leave them.
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When I get old I only hope I’m not making my children worse off. That would be unacceptable to me.
Mikey is a whippersnapper! Now where’s my cane….I need to go give him a whupping….
Yeah, what can I say, The next time my friends, neighbors and The President of the United States sends me to Vietnam, I’ll just poke everybody with a sharp, pointy stick to save money.
Go Mikey!
Okay, where do you learn all those cute hyper text protitcals to make things bold, struck through, etc ? Oh now i see, in the below box.
Boxes!?!
We’ve got below boxes somewhere? What do they do ?
Why don’t you people ….tell me these things ?
Since when did google carry ads? I never see any
PB - response to this from yesterday:
My response would be:
- Even though the Japs have had a ZIRP for 15 years now - they didn’t have nearly the aggressive QE that the U.S. has done.
- I wouldn’t call Japan’s attempt to prop up prices a failure. Contrary to popular myth Japan has not experienced significant deflation, only lack of inflation; at least in general prices (like us, they did have significant real estate depreciation). Without their ZIRP, I’m certain they would have experienced massive deflation.
‘Even though the Japs have had a ZIRP for 15 years now …I wouldn’t call Japan’s attempt to prop up prices a failure…Without their ZIRP, I’m certain they would have experienced massive deflation’
Let’s skip over the derogatory “Japs” thing and examine this a bit further. It hasn’t been “their” policy, but a central bank policy. I don’t know if they elect their central bankers, but we sure don’t. We can’t even get an audit of “our” Federal Reserve. I don’t know how we can assess the success or failure of these programs without knowing what the heck is really going on.
But let’s focus on “our” central bank. Where in their setup does it say anything about propping up the price of anything? Of course, we’ll always be treated to the line, “it would have been a lot worse”!
And all of this ignores the damage these organizations have done.
Federal Reserve Board Vice Chairman Roger Ferguson said on Wednesday it may be impossible to know when an asset-price bubble is building”. He goes on to say that it may be improper for the Fed to slow down asset bubbles.
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/01/fed-gov-says-bubbles-cant-be-seen.html
USA Today reported that Federal Reserve Governor Edward Gramlich publicly warned that subprime lending may be a problem. “The subprime incidence of mortgage brokers without a lot at stake in the game is getting pretty high,” the Fed official said. He backed off of earlier statements that “that portion of the subprime industry was veering close to a breakdown”, later stating that “phrasing too strong”. But he did point out the higher delinquency with subprime borrowers.
Gramlich addressed the bubble issue, “It’s certainly possible it’s a bubble, but it’s also possible, for various reasons, the cost of housing has shifted.”
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/01/fed-gov-knocks-subprime-risks.html
Stephen Roach of Morgan Stanley…”At long last, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has owned up to the central role he has played in sparking unprecedented global imbalances..Greenspan’s admission came when he finally made the connection between the excesses of America’s property market and its gaping current account deficit”..Greenspan is quoted “the growth of home mortgage debt has been the major contributor to the decline in the personal saving rate in the United States from almost 6 percent in 1993 to its current level of 1 percent.”
Roach said “The Federal Reserve is trapped in a moral-hazard dilemma of its own making”
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/02/roach-greenspan-comes-clean-sort-of.html
Stephen Roach…”The Fed is not only hard at work in the engine room in keeping the magic alive, but is has also become the intellectual architect of the New Macro. Time and again, since Alan Greenspan rolled out his New Paradigm theory in the late 1990s, senior Federal Reserve policy makers have taken the lead role as proselytizers of a new macro spin that condones the saving, debt, property bubble, and current-account excesses of the Asset Economy.”
“Chairman Greenspan has made light of traditional measures of household indebtedness, even going so far as to urge consumers to move from fixed to floating rate obligations. Fed governors have also borrowed a page from the Roaring 1990s in denying the possibility of a housing bubble. Governor Bernanke has also led the charge in coming up with a new theory of national saving, that the United States is actually doing the world a favor by absorbing a so-called glut of global saving.”
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/04/fed-attempts-rewrite-of-macroeconomics.html
Forbes.com reports that Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan raised the spector of “systemic risk” in testimony to congress. He is once again speaking about the two GSEs, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The risks of something going wrong “are almost inevitable” Greenspan said.
He suggested the two mortgage giants be forced to reduce their portfolios in order to prevent unspecified “problems”. “It is the time to act to fend off the problems that are almost inevitable” he said, injecting a sense of urgency to the situation.
“Greenspan also noted that Fannie and Freddie both have unlimited access to capital far below normal market rates, giving them unlimited growth prospects. Since the two have very low regulatory capital requirements, the companies have to “engage in very significant dynamic hedging to hedge interest rate risks,” he said. Their role in creating the housing bubble has been clear. Maybe the Fed is looking to blame a coming crash on the GSE’s and therefore congress.
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/02/greenspan-warns-unlimited-access-to.html
The New York Post took a swipe at the lame duck chairman of the Federal Reserve today. “WRONG-WAY GREENSPAN STRIKES AGAIN” was the headline, marking the ignominious final months of the central bank chief. “These rate hikes are really a joke anyway. Even as he’s pretending to tighten credit through these rate increases, the Fed has actually been allowing the nation’s money supply to grow rapidly at more than 5 percent over the last year. If all that money is available, it’s going to be put to use — creating the next bubble.”
The writer has hopes that events will give the chairman the send-off he deserves. “The winner, I think, will be the housing bubble. If all these rate hikes finally take hold over a short period of time they will deflate home prices just in time for Greenspan’s Farewell Apology.”
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/03/ny-post-wrong-way-greenspan.html
Reuters “Residential prices in central Tokyo rose 0.9 per cent in 2004, the first rise in 17 years…When the bubble burst property prices plummeted more than 80 per cent, undermining company balance sheets, wiping out many families’ wealth and helping plunge the economy into 13 years of stagnation.”
“Despite strong growth in the cities, the survey said prices nationwide dropped 4.6 per cent, the 14th consecutive year of decline…on average, residential property prices in Tokyo were 41 per cent of their peak in 1991, while commercial property prices were 20 per cent of their peak value.”
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/03/17-years-later-prices-in-japan-rise-1.html
“The Bank of Japan on Thursday officially abandoned hope that the economy would return to inflation before March 2006. Given the bank’s commitment to keep interest rates at zero until deflation is eradicated, it implies a one-year extension of the zero-interest rate policy.”
“With interest rates at zero and markets flooded with liquidity, the bank had few tools beyond language to affect market expectations.”
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/04/few-tools-beyond-language.html
“For generations of economists, it used to be a truism that ‘wealth creation’ implies capital formation in terms of generating income-creating tangible assets.To indiscriminately put this label of ‘wealth creation’ on rising asset prices in the absence of any income creation is plainly a novel usurpation of this concept. It is in essence wealth creation through a stroke of the pen.”
“Our general misgivings about ‘wealth creation’ simply through rising house prices has still another reason, however, and that is the way housing values are calculated. The conventional practice in America is to treat the whole existing housing stock as being worth the last trade. This contrasts wondrously with the tedious process of generating prosperity through saving, investment and production.”
“Everybody knows the answer, but few want to admit it: Lured by artificially low interest rates and easily available credit, private households have stampeded as never before into the purchase of homes, boosting their prices. Artificially low interest rates and easily available credit are, actually, the key features that specifically qualify an asset bubble.”
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/04/wealth-cannot-be-printed.html
Governor Bernanke has also led the charge in coming up with a new theory of national saving, that the United States is actually doing the world a favor by absorbing a so-called glut of global saving.
How’s that glut of global savings working out for you?
Ben -
Nowhere in my post do I state what I think is proper or not. I only stated what has happened and what is the cause and effect; like it or not. I of course realize that the central bank of any given country doesn’t often represent the wishes of that country’s populace.
(I didn’t intend “Japs” as derogatory - it wasn’t until WWII that it became as such actually. It was intended as tongue-in-cheek; my apologies to any Japanese on the board.)
I’m not trying to put words in your mouth packman, just making a point about the overall discussion regarding central bank policies and what to do next. The thing that stands out is the lack of responsibility of how we got here. In just a few minutes I was able to recall Federal Reserve statements shrugging off the sub-prime loan issue BEFORE it blew up. Greenspan washing his hands of the GSE problem/systemic risks and Bernankes’ now forgotten savings glut folly. In light of the known bubbles in Japan, these “economists” at the Fed are at best incompetent and at worse reckless and dangerous.
Yet we have learned nothing it seems. The same GSEs I was posting about then are at this very moment making zero down loans while at the same time manipulating a massive inventory. The FR is was actually given a larger role in the finance sector by the same politicians that walked us into this mess.
The situation that confronts us is IMO, that we are in a heck of a mess, but our “leadership” is getting away with turning attention away from the mistaken policies of the past and compounding the problems with more of the same. This isn’t about blame. There is a economic problem here that could get very serious and IMO all the cards should be on the table when talking about it.
Agree. Sorry I shouldn’t have gotten defensive.
I think you hit the nail right on the head, except I will say that it seems that the Fed is (they think) trying a new and different approach to what Japan did - that being quick and massive Keynesian and monetarist stimulus. They see these add-ons to ZIRP as completing the recipe for a quicker recovery.
Unfortunately, as we are already seeing, these provided nothing but a sugar rush; not real economic nourishment. The patient is still sick, and it’s mono, not the flu. A very long period of rest is the best cure.
(At least hopefully it’s just mono, and not cancer!)
Curable cancer might be a best analogy
1. Treat the patient with toxic therapy that will make them sick as hell but gives them a chance to be cured.
vs
2. Treating symptoms alone which will guarantee death
Yep.
Unfortunately it appears the doc has chosen the latter - palliative care.
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Try reading ‘Greenspan’s Bubbles’ by William A. Fleckenstein.
2005 those were the days all gone
” Governor Bernanke has also led the charge in coming up with a new theory of national saving, that the United States is actually doing the world a favor by absorbing a so-called glut of global saving.”
Back then it applied to housing borrowing/spending/investment. Currently it applies to government borrowing/spending/investment. Both are cases of massive hubris. And both are doomed to fail.
Geez I’m so smart I’d never let myself get caught up in hubris…..
“nothing but a sugar rush”
Correct, and when you come ‘down’ ( you’re crabbier and less productive than before! )
“Some people say I’m conceited, but that’s a fault, and I don’t have any….”
X-GSfixr,
Worked w/ a guy in avionics years back and MAN was this guy sharp. Funny too. He once said, “I made a mistake ‘once’ ( but it turned out I was wrong! )”
Ben Jones wrote:
The Economist has an article about the return of more centrally planned economic policies. It’s a cover story from August 7th-13th, titled “Leviathan Inc - The state goes back into business.”
It’s the ingrained belief of those in power that they know best. And this includes how and why to pick / make winners and losers in the economy.
That’s what we’re seeing.
It’s the ingrained belief of those in power that
they know bestyour money belongs to them and so does your life.Fixed.
States cutting benefits for public-sector retirees
By GEOFF MULVIHILL and SUSAN HAIGH (AP) – 5 hours ago
TRENTON, N.J. — The security guards at the headquarters of New Jersey’s pension fund have never seen anything like it before: lines of public employees extending out the door and into the street.
Day after day, workers come in droves to apply for retirement. They often line up before dawn.
The rush has been set off in part by Republican Gov. Chris Christie’s campaign in this cash-strapped state to make government employment — and retirement — less lucrative.
Since 2008, New Jersey and at least 19 other states from Wyoming to Rhode Island have rolled back pension benefits or seriously considered doing do — and not just for new hires, but for current employees and people already retired.
After telegraphing his intentions for months, Christie spelled out the details of his proposal Tuesday. They include: repealing an increase in benefits approved years ago; eliminating automatic cost-of-living adjustments; raising the retirement age to 65 from 60 in many cases; reducing pension payouts for many future retirees; and requiring some employees to contribute more to their pensions.
“We must reverse the damage caused by fairy-tale promises that have fattened benefits and pensions to unsustainable levels,” the governor said.
To be sure, the looming benefit changes are not the only reason many public employees in New Jersey are retiring. Some say they want out for the usual reasons — to spend time with the grandchildren or go fishing, for example — or complain that government layoffs and other cutbacks are making work unbearable. But other employees figure that by retiring now, they can lock in certain benefits before it is too late.
William Liberty started as a trash collector in Lindenwold 37 years ago and worked his way up to a job as public works supervisor. But his pay has been frozen for two years and he has to take an unpaid furlough day a month. And given Christie’s pension cut proposals, “it’s going to get worse,” Liberty said.
He hoped to keep the job until he turned 65. But at 62, he went last week to the state pension office to see about retiring soon.
Christie has warned that New Jersey’s pension fund will go belly up unless something is done to close the $46 billion gap between how much the state expects to bring into the system and how much it has promised to workers. Other states’ pension funds are in shaky condition, too.
I don’t get it. Do they think that by retiring now they can’t be touched? That whatever they get now can never be reduced, a candy-crapping guardian angel unicorn will watch over them?
In my public-sector company, someone who retired 15 years ago started out with pension-paid full family healthcare coverage. Today (if they are still alive) that same person gets nothing.
Typo - PRIVATE sector. Sorry.
If one took a lump sum payment, that couldn’t be touched. But any pension or healthcare will be slashed in the future (sooner in New Jersey, later in California.)
Day after day, workers come in droves to apply for retirement. They often line up before dawn.
The rush has been set off in part by Republican Gov. Chris Christie’s campaign in this cash-strapped state to make government employment — and retirement — less lucrative.
Here in AZ, there are rumors of impending changes to the state retirement system. Matter of fact, they motivated one of my neighbors to retire from her University of Arizona job a few months ago.
And, speaking of the UA, I’ve been doing a lot of prospecting for work. Been noticing that a lot of the big names have recently become emeritus faculty members.
““We must reverse the damage caused by fairy-tale promises that have fattened benefits and pensions to unsustainable levels,” the governor said.”
Like yours and your conies, gov? Yeah, I didn’t think so.
Re: joey from yesterday:
Please expain your theory on why wage increases are a good thing (as I think you’re implying).
(I’m talking across society, not for each individual person.
Wage increases for each person are normal due to gains in experience over their lifetime. However this is offset by higher-paid retirees being replaced by lower-paid newbies.)
I wasn’t implying that wage increases are good or bad.
The theory is that wages equalize when countries do business.
While international trade does affect wages, are there no other influences on wages? Can’t one country do things that cause it’s internal wages to increase (or decrease) regardless of it’s international connections?
Certainly, there are innumerable, internal, socioeconomic conditions that move wages.
In other words, while international trade has an effect on wages, it could be a major or a minor affect. Influences on wages in the respective countries could add up such that there is no net effect.
“Can’t one country do things that cause it’s internal wages to increase.”
Well, the theory is that a nation could focus on “high value” work to bring home the bacon. The problem is that 3rd world countries also have universities and can quickly train their own young people to do “high value” work at heavily discounted wages.
I don’t know that “high value” work necessarily translates to higher wages (or a higher standard of living), or that high value is required for economic growth.
We did business with Japan. Japan concentrated on things with the very least value.. crappy little useless toys.
In contrast, there must be an example of a country that did concentrated on high value, but suffered for it.
No offense but - WTF are you talking about?
Japan has been producing cars and electronics that are way higher in quality than the U.S. counterparts. You don’t consider that high value? I haven’t seen “crappy little useless toys” coming out of Japan in years - they all come out of China, Indonesia, Mexico, etc.
Japan’s certainly been suffering, but IMO it’s not due to them producing high-value stuff.
i was talking about japan as a 3rd world, defeated, impoverished nation, of course.
Japan proved that growth and prosperity is possible by way of low value, inconsequential export products.
No.
William Edwards Deming was the man that taught Japan Inc. how to make quality products. The man that was rejected by American industry.
An American, who was rejected by American industry… so he went to Japan where they embraced him.
The man who INVENTED “Total Quality Control,” of which Six Sigma is nothing but a pale imitation.
jeeze.. What does that guy have to do with the topic at hand? Nothing!
Can a country prosper by way of exporting simple, inexpensive goods, or not? If not, how do you explain Japan’s recovery?
High value work - How about attorneys charging $500/hr ???
The deal is that we Americans are overpaid relative to Indians and Chinese, unfortunately. It will be painful for the duration until our wages reach equilibrium as they free up their economies even more and as we socialize ourselves into more drab grayness. At the point we reach equilibrium, things can only get better from there.
Despite all our trade with China and India, with Vietnam and Honduras, with Afghanistan and the rest of the 3rd world.. despite all the outsourcing and unfair trade barriers over many decades, I have yet to see an American home with a dirt floor.
“I have yet to see an American home with a dirt floor.”
Maybe not in suburbia.
You should get out more often joey. But maybe you’re afraid to go to the scary parts of this country?
I don’t blame you. I’m still scared when I have to go to those places as well.
well.. i did manage to find a couple of dirt floor homes.
one is Abe Lincoln’s house.. but that’s a preserved historical landmark so it doesn’t count.
The other is in El Cerrito, Ca.. but it’s just some wealthy liberal tree-hugger who thought it was cool to put one in his huge mansion. Only $5 a sq foot to install it. Not a bad price, imo
There are supposedly more like that scattered around… the get back to nature sort of garbage.
But if you have proof of any poor people living in a dirt floor house these days, cough it up.. No fancy adobe homes or tipis in the backyard allowed. The people gotta be poor.
anyone here know anything thing about the rockville, md company…Human Genome Sciences Inc.?
they have a job opportunity i may be interested in. i’m reading through their 10K…just wondering about its long-term outlook.
No, other than constant take-over or buyout rumors, the latest of which is GSK.
Sleaze-Bag homes sez…
Beazer Homes cuts guidance on new home orders
LONDON (MarketWatch) — Beazer Homes USA Inc. on Wednesday cut its guidance on new home orders for the year, citing a slower-than-expected improvement in orders following the expiration of a home-buyer tax credit in April. The company, which had previously said orders for fiscal 2010 would be above the previous year’s level, said it needs to book 767 orders in the final quarter to match the year-earlier total of 4,205. It said it expects orders will be somewhere between 700 and 800 in the final quarter. “Although housing affordability is at record levels, prospective home buyers continue to exercise caution in committing to a home purchase transaction,” Beazer said.
Or…”Geezer” homes?
How can these asshats get away with saying affordability is at ‘record’ levels, or all time highs. You used to be able to buy a house on one salary with a 15 year mortgage. I’d say those might come closer to ‘record’ affordability.
Yep.
In 2007(?) I remember the “affordability index” in California was changed to use ARMs instead of fixed-rate mortgages. Instantly the index jumped from about 3% to 25% or so.
I wonder if this same method is now used nationwide? Anyone know? If so that would certainly explain the supposed “record” affordability.
I really hate it when ANYBODY redefines an statistic and then compares it to historical data. It’s such complete useless crap, and yet nobody ever calls groups on it.
Because its all about pump and dump.
Bankrupt, USA: Why our cities aren’t too big to fail
FORTUNE — Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, has dodged a debt bullet. The only problem is that the gun is still loaded.
The Keystone State’s cash-strapped capital was scheduled to default on a $3.3 million bond payment on Wednesday. It avoided that debilitating fate when Pennsylvania’s governor, Ed Rendell, pledged to resolve the problem with $4.4 million from the state’s own challenged coffers.
This gives Harrisburg a chance to fight again another day. But its problems are far from over, and that’s bad news for investors in the $2.8 trillion muni-bond market.
States from California to Illinois have been in deep crisis since the recession began, hammered by drastic cuts in tax revenue and inflexible spending demands for things like health care, debt service and pension plans. Forty-eight states grappled with fiscal shortfalls in their 2010 fiscal budgets. Totaling $200 billion, or 30% of state budgets, this fiscal shortfall is the largest gap on record, according to the DC-based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which sees at least 46 states facing shortfalls this fiscal year.
I wonder how many state and muni employees have a clue of the dire straits their jobs and pensions are in?
Half Moon Bay is going under ! Salaries and pensions are the reason.
Tool maker cuts jobs
Layoffs could reach 140 at Hanover factory
A Baltimore County-based power tools manufacturer will lay off more than 100 employees in its Hanover office next month.
Notice of the impending layoffs at Apex Tool Group, located on Standard Drive in Hanover, was posted last month on the state Labor, Licensing and Registration Department’s website.
“With the downturn in the economy, manufacturing has had its share of downsizing,” said Kirkland Murray, president of the Anne Arundel Workforce Development Corp.
Lots of used tools in pawnshops.
I’m also seeing a lot of them at yard sales.
Federal agencies cutting, revising $337 million worth of IT contracts
Washington Post
The Office of Management and Budget on Wednesday plans to announce the cancellation or restructuring of three multiyear information technology contracts totaling $337 million, according to senior administration officials.
The changes are part of the Obama administration’s budgetary and management reforms designed to cut billions of dollars in wasteful and no-bid government programs and contracts.
According to the OMB, the Environmental Protection Agency plans to save $180 million and the Department of Housing and Urban Development will pocket about $44 million by restructuring two long-term IT contracts. The Small Business Administration should save $113 million by canceling a contract.
The EPA contract is meant to replace an older financial system that had inconsistent data and costly maintenance, among other problems. CGI Federal, based in Fairfax, has received $83.1 million in contracts for the program being restructured, according to the Obama administration’s IT Dashboard, a public Web site that compiles data on federal agencies’ IT programs. The company referred questions to the EPA.
Here’s an observation by Mac Slavo, a small business owner.
“A close friend and Citibank credit card holder recently saw a rate increase from roughly 10% to 29.99% on his existing balance. Already running on a tight budget, his payment increased from a monthly $150 per month to over $400 per month. Our friend, rather than simply stopping his payments because he was no longer able to afford them, promptly took his Citibank card to a local outdoor goods store, purchased several thousand dollars worth of guns, ammunition, and camping gear. He never made another payment. That’s a $20,000 delinquency on Citibank’s books – and that debt will never be collected. We can talk about the ethics and morality of this move, but that is irrelevant at this point. Tens of thousands, perhaps millions, of Americans are doing exactly the same thing with credit cards and home loans.”
~ Going Out With a Bang.
Isn’t it possible for Citibank to garnish his wages unless he gets it discharged in a BK?
In general, BK does not discharge “last minute purchase” debts like this.
He bought guns and ammo, and wants to “discharge” his debts?
Yeah, that would be fraudulent.
What I’m saying is just because he stopped paying doesn’t mean that Citibank won’t avail itself to every legal means to get that 20K back.
I love it. That really is a good way to strike back. Fair’s fair, if people are making their payments, squeezing them is not OK. The guy did the right thing and make a point.
Credit card fraud is NOT a good idea.
That is what a Judge is for….to force $hitibank to either discharge the debt or return the interest rate back to 10% till he pays it off.
Let them sue…he must have his day in court…Its a right given to us by living here in America
Head Of NJ Teachers’ Union Makes $550,000 A Year–2X As Much As The Governor And 10X The Average American
NJEA head Vince Giordano
As Governor Chris Christie goes to war with the NJ teachers union, let’s review what he’s up against.
NJEA director Vince Giordano received $421,615 in salary and $128,508 in deferred compensation last year, according to tax filings released last spring.
NJEA president Barbara Keshishian earned $256,450 last year. VP Wendell Steinhauer and Secretary-Treasurer Marie Blistan were paid $170,974 each.
Meanwhile, the governor earned a measly $175,000.
Christie’s war with the union escalated earlier this summer when a union official suggested praying for the governor’s death. Last week, Christie lambasted a teacher at a public forum.
That region is so corrupt it’s the stuff of entertainment. Yet they want to tell the rest of the country how to run their lives.
LA as well. And New Orleans. And Chicago. And Atlanta. And…
Hey wait a minute, I think I see a trend here…
Government wants tax-credit back. What will this do to buyers who used the credit as downmpayment on new homes from homebuilders who manipulated the credit for this purpose?
http://realestate.msn.com/blogs/listed.aspx?feat=1804249>1=35000
Let’s see, house was worth $180K before the tax credit, folks paid $200K during the tax credit. Tax credit is over, house back down to $180K. So the government actually owes THEM another $12,000 for giving them the $8,000. Think they’ll buy that?
Bank Repossession of Homes Sets New Record in August
http://tinyurl.com/3xqpddu
The nation’s banks repossessed a record number of homes in August, according to industry sources. RealtyTrac, an online foreclosure sale site, will release its monthly numbers on Thursday, but sources there confirm the number of repossessions will come in just shy of 100,000 for the month.
That is the highest since the site began tracking in 2005. July’s repossession number was the second highest on record. The last highest was 93,777 in May of 2010.
Notices of Default, which are the first step in the foreclosure process, are up slightly but mostly thanks to a jump in California, where the numbers had been artificially low of late, as banks tried to modify borrowers.
“With respect to the NOD increase, I think it is the modification redefault wave beginning to build and new modifications slowing to a trickle, indicating banks have lost their primary borrower re-leveraging tool,” says mortgage industry consultant Mark Hanson.
Yesterday J.P. Morgan Chase (NYSE: jpm) cited the “shadow inventory” of foreclosed properties as one of their primary reasons for pushing back their expectations for a housing recovery as far as 2014. No question, a growing supply of repossessed properties will put further downward pressure on home prices, especially given the current 12.5 month supply of existing homes already for sale.
The question now is: Where does the government go from here? Some argue that housing needs to correct on its own, without artificial stimulus, as painful as it will be, in order to recover fully. What the Obama Administration has to decide is, will that correction, involving millions of foreclosures, take too large a toll on the greater economy?
That is the highest since the site began tracking in 2005. July’s repossession number was the second highest on record. The last highest was 93,777 in May of 2010.
So 3 of the last 4 months have set records for number of repos. Not good for the housing market.
I foresee major QE2 in our future.
Yup, and JP Morgan pushing back their prediction of a housing recovery to 2014. Further than I figured back in 2007. Although my prediction has been that 2012 will be the bottom of the average house price in America. Now I think that’s an “optimistic” prediction and the prices can go lower in 2013 or beyond.
I have never grasped how a bubble numerous decades in the making could be expected to unwind in a year or two or five. I rather expect a generational shift.
+1
Unfortunately many people, at least initially, saw the dot-com bubble as a precedent. Since we (supposedly) recovered from that in just a two year period (2001-2003 or so), then people figured that’s about what it would take for the housing bubble.
Unaccounted for though was:
- The scale of the bubble (probably 10x at least)
- The duration (most people still think the housing bubble started in 2003 or so, when in reality it started in the late 90’s, or one could make the case in the 80’s with a mid-90’s pause)
- The fact that the dot-com crash “recovery” was in fact fueled by the rise of the much larger housing bubble. Beyond housing though there is no other asset that can be used for a bigger bubble to “recover” from this crash.
Nicely summarized, packman.
REHobbyist,
Second!
What was that The Onion ran with? “America needs new unfounded, fake bubble to ‘believe’ in!” Anybody that thinks this started in ‘03 has completely lost their mind.
Pack has it right, a 7th Inning stretch for the immediate Post Cold War-era and off to the races!
Er, no. It was the other way around.
Remember, the S&L disaster wasn’t really over until the mid 1990s. And it was the dot com bubble that caused RE to rise.
The only parts of this crisis that was decades in the making is the constant destruction of jobs and wages and the slow but steady weakening of regulations for the FIRE sectors.
Link coming up…Bank Repossession of Homes Sets New Record in August.
I suppose it’s nationwide in the USA. Just shy of 100,000 homes repossessed in the month of August alone. Add that to the shadow inventory!
Got cash?
Do repos include “Deed-in-Lieu” title reassignments? I think not, and those things are really humming along.
For all of you self-proclaimed specific-gravity specialists out there who think oil only floats on water:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0o-68fW5pY
I expect you meant well with this, but it did not explain the mysteries of specific gravity at all.
Some people on the board (cannot recall who) recently had an argument that the oil in the gulf could not possibly have sunk to the bottom. It was eaten by microbes obviously. I am here to tell you that all of that nasty black smelly oil is sitting on the bottom out there.
Specific gravity = relative density (relative to water ironically) and oil has a specific gravity of less than one which in theory means it should float. There were some top-notch authorites on the subject right on this very blog.
“some top-notch authorites on the subject right on this very blog”
Who were they? They ought to have their AAPG licenses revoked.. by Murtaugh. Dr. Bob Reynolds (The King of Clay) is rolling over in his grave right now!
BTW — Whoever was going on about silver mining yesterday should reread his info on porphyry copper deposits. Heck just look at the Crown Butte/New World Mine near Cooke City, MT and check out the gold/silver ratio. Contrary to what was posted yesterday, there’s a lot of silver still out there. However, it does take a lot of energy to obtain gold and silver in the low concentrations at which it is presently mined (in the low to sub-ppm range for gold). Thus, if energy prices go up, expect to see prices ramp for a time. Full disclosure: I own a fair amount of physical silver as an inflation/hyper-inflation hedge. However, I suspect that its value will decrease at some point with what is most likely to be deflation.
PS: Try getting a hotel room on Rt. 50 in NV by just driving up. Unless you’re in Ely, it’ll be tough. These mining towns are going nuts. Experienced the same thing trying to get a room in Pinedale, WY when oil was high two years ago.
MrBubble
Not sure what was said here, it was probably while i was off cruising, but it is amazing how strong opinions are formed without insight.
“Crude oil” isn’t just one thing, it’s a mixture of things, some of which are lighter than air and some of which are heavier than water. Tar does not float.
One of the simple things that I did not hear any of our neoscientists discuss during the gulf debacle is that oil is soluable in water. There is a lot of water out there. Case in point; if the weather becomes suddenly cold, water drops out of the gasoline in your car’s tank and forms ice crystals. Water puddles up in crude storage tanks for the same reason.
BTW, sea water has has a specific gravity higher than 1.
Didn’t the water initially get into the tanks through condensation and never actually mix with the fuel? Salt water would be higher than distilled you are correct. The oil (tar) is still out there is all I am saying. Oil for any practical purposes is not soluable in water.
That isn’t my video. Here’s mine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuJ0_5Rk5V4
“Subprime Goes to College”
More than half of Washington Post’s revenue/profit comes from Kaplan, a for-profit college. These very-expensive colleges enroll poor students and talk them into taking on student loans that they will never pay back. The beauty for the companies is that the government is on the hook for the losses. My younger son has a couple of illiterate high school buddies who have enrolled because they can’t find employment other than McDonald’s. One is majoring in “construction management” at ITT and the other one is majoring in “criminal justice” at Heald. Both of them flunked out of community college, but are passing at tech school. I know others who have enrolled at Kaplan for nursing training.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-05-27/frontpoint-s-eisman-bets-for-profit-education-stocks-to-fall-on-loan-rules.html
Thanks for the education! I didn’t realize this.
Mohegan Sun laying off 355, closing food outlets.
Citing a relentless decline in revenues, Mohegan Sun announced today it is laying off 355 employees — the casino’s first mass layoffs since it opened in 1996 — and said it would close one of its two buffet restaurants, a snack bar in its race book and two food-court outlets that will reopen under third-party management.
Mitchell Etess, Mohegan Sun’s president and chief executive officer, told reporters that 475 positions were being eliminated. He said 120 employees whose jobs were being eliminated would be shifted into other positions at Mohegan Sun, leaving a net loss of 355 employees. In addition, he said, the new operators of the food-court outlets would provide jobs.
The food outlets closing include the Sunburst Buffet, Chief’s Bagels, Subs and Sweets and Woodland Wok.
Prior to the layoffs, Mohegan Sun employed about 9,000 full-time employees at its Uncasville casino. Since the fall of 2008, about 900 jobs have been trimmed through attrition.
“We’ve worked hard the last two years to reduce our labor expenses while waiting for the economy to improve, but the economy has not improved, the economy has not stabilized,” Etess said in addressing the need for the layoffs. “The recovery is much slower than expected … consumer confidence is sagging … unemployment is rising.”
He said the casino could no longer rely on attrition to pare its workforce and still meet its financial obligations.
“We were not ‘attritioning’ fast enough,” he said.
i really thought the gambling industry was bulletproof.. did some homework.. read up on past recessions..
Maybe there are (or were) just too many casinos.
Maybe there are (or were) just too many casinos.
Yep.
The gambling industry is vastly larger than it was in any previous recession. Especially when accounting for state and regional lotteries.
(and the stock market)
But they have “Forever Young Mondays” for geezers…
Retirement on Hold: American Workers $6 Trillion Short- Reuters
The $6.6 trillion figure is based on projections of retirement and income for American workers ages 32-64. The study’s authors say they arrived at the amount using conservative assumptions, including a 3 percent rate of return on assets and no further cuts in pension coverage or increases in the Social Security retirement age.
We’ll learn to do with less.
Didn’t I estimate $5 billion in home equity would be wiped out if prices returned to an average relationship with income, with an overshoot underway?
The study’s authors say they arrived at the amount using conservative assumptions, including a 3 percent rate of return on assets
3 percent return on investments not as conservative as it used to be.
All you George Bush apologists have only one leg to stand on.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/os-one-legged-man-crash-zellwood-20100915,0,3312549.story
S.C., Columbia home sales continue to fall. ~ The State
Despite a boost earlier this year from a federal tax credit, home sales in Columbia are on target for their worst year in recent memory.
After a steady start to the year, area sales ballooned 23 percent in the second quarter as first-time home buyers rushed to beat the June deadline for an $8,000 federal tax credit.
But when the credit ended, sales tumbled 28 percent in July compared to a year earlier and fell another 27 percent in August, according to a new report from the S.C. Realtors trade group.
Sales so far this year are down slightly from last year’s numbers.
But without the tax credit in place, many industry professionals are worried that sales will continue to plummet.
Statewide, sales fared slightly better, with a 21 percent drop in August.
S.C. sales are still 9 percent ahead of 2009 on the year, bolstered largely by a rebound along the coast that took the brunt of the housing crunch in the state.
It’s all those pigs-foot-eating-oops-I-ate-your-arm neighbors.
Jobless claims jump 31% in July
September 14th, 2010, 1:00 am
posted by Mary Ann Milbourn
California unemployment claims jumped 30.6 % in July to 808,083 after Congress ended a seven-week impasse and approve a bill that allowed extended jobless benefits through November, the state Employment Development Department reports.
The number of claims processed by EDD fell 15.4% in May and and 4.9% in June when previous legislation allowing extended benefits expired without Congressional action.
Year over year, claims continue to mount. EDD handled 208,000 more claims this year than in July of 2009 and nearly double the requests filed in July 2008. In 2008, California’s unemployment rate was 7.3%. This year it was 12.3% in July.
http://economy.ocregister.com/2010/09/14/jobless-claims-jump-31-in-july/40483/ - 116k -
Did this save or create jobs?
Feds Spent $800,000 of Economic Stimulus on African Genital-Washing Program
September 13, 2010
CNS News.
By Matt Cover
(CNSNews.com) – The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), a division of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), spent $823,200 of economic stimulus funds in 2009 on a study by a UCLA research team to teach uncircumcised African men how to wash their genitals after having sex.
The genitalia-washing program is part of a larger $12-million UCLA study examining how to better encourage Africans to undergo voluntary HIV testing and counseling – however, only the penis-washing study received money from the 2009 economic stimulus law. The washing portion of the study is set to end in 2011.
“NIH Announces the Availability of Recovery Act Funds for Competitive Revision Applications,” the grant abstract states. “We propose to evaluate the feasibility of a post-coital genital hygiene study among men unwilling to be circumcised in Orange Farm, South Africa.”
Because AIDS researchers have been unsuccessful in convincing most adult African men to undergo circumcision, the UCLA study proposes to determine whether researchers can develop an after-sex genitalia-washing regimen that they can then convince uncircumcised African men to follow.
http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/malinvestments/stihie-stimulus-money-for-african-genital-washing/ - 37k
Because AIDS researchers have been unsuccessful in convincing most adult African men to undergo circumcision, the UCLA study proposes to determine whether researchers can develop an after-sex genitalia-washing regimen that they can then convince uncircumcised African men to follow.
A college friend went on to be the Washington Post bureau chief in Africa.
While he was in Nairobi (his African base), a local newspaper ran the story of a man who was doing a bit too much braggin’ around his workplace. This guy boasted that he was a total man, and his coworkers responded to this news by removing his trousers and inspecting the equipment.
Turned out that Total Man was uncircumcised, and that meant that he had to be tied to a cart and paraded through Nairobi. The destination of this parade? Some place where he would be circumcised.
Unfortunately for them, ocieties where the men have taken pride in being “total men” have had a very poor historical “track record” compared to societies where most men have taken pride in the products of their minds.
“The situation that confronts us is IMO, that we are in a heck of a mess, but our ‘leadership’ is getting away with turning attention away from the mistaken policies of the past and compounding the problems with more of the same. This isn’t about blame. There is a economic problem here that could get very serious and IMO all the cards should be on the table when talking about it.”
I agree. The debts, public and private, are so great they cannot be paid, and no matter how much fun all the consumption is, the U.S. cannot continue borrowing to support jobs all over the world. So how radical do we get?
How about this one? Our problem is lots of people — the rich, the Arabs, the Chinese — have pieces of paper saying they get a share of whatever Americans produce in the future. And Americans don’t have that many pieces of paper, meaning they will get less of what they produce in the future.
And the rich, the Arabs and Chinese keep buying more such pieces of paper, providing a ready alternative to hiring Americans to produce anything today.
So, have the federal government give lots of new, similar pieces of paper to Americans, and legal immigrants prorated based on the number of years they have worked here, and businesses that hire Americans based on the number they employ (on the books). Make those in debt pay it off. Exclude those who already get government pensions. Have the Federal Reserve monetize the debts, which will carry zero interest rate and have principal payable beginning 200 years from now and extending for 200 additional years.
Thus, our public and private debts disappear or will be paid in dollars worth far less. The Chinese, Arabs and rich will decide they don’t want more of our pieces of paper anymore, causing our currency to fall and forcing Americans to hire other Americans to produce what they want, or which they will be able to afford less but will be able to get jobs making it.
Of course, responsible savers in the U.S. would be wiped out. But young people would start out with nothing instead of in the hole.
What say you, Mr, Weinmar?
Works for me.
yea that will work and after the shooting and burning there will be far less people so the unemployment problem will be solved
A word from Sir Al Greasepan the universally admired monetary genius…
Greenspan, in switch, now favors higher taxes
Former Fed chief: U.S. must cut deficit to allow more private investment.
NEW YORK — Former Federal Reserve chief Alan Greenspan, reversing a long-standing aversion to higher taxes, said Wednesday tax rates must rise and the fiscal stimulus wound down in order to reduce the U.S. budget deficit and allow private investment to expand.
“I am in favor for the first time in my memory of raising taxes,” Greenspan told an audience at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. He said the economy could not recover while the high deficit remains high.
Greenspan warned that the deficit, swollen by massive stimulus spending, was crowding out capital investment. We “must find a way to simmer down fiscal activism and allow the economy to heal,” he said, adding that stimulus spending had been far less successful than anticipated.
When Greenspan’s generation was working, taxes should be cut, but now that they are retired and/or dying off, taxes must be increased on those coming after.
Will someone grill this guy on the 1983 Social Security deal? Who blew the surpluses younger generations were forced to pay in?
Argentines Say Buy Now as 25% Inflation Outlook Buoys Car Sales
Bloomberg
Argentines are stepping up purchases of cars and televisions in a bid to beat inflation consumers see accelerating to 25 percent, the second-highest in the world after Venezuela.
Record demand for autos and domestic appliances are fueling economic growth, which Deputy Economy Minister Roberto Feletti estimates at 9 percent this year, the fastest since 2005. The consumer boom will fade by the end of this year as higher prices for food and everyday goods drain household income, said former Economy Vice Minister Orlando Ferreres.
“Inflation will tend to accelerate and output will stagnate,” said Domingo Cavallo, who as economy minister from 1991 to 1996 cut the annual increase in consumer prices — which had reached 5,000 percent in 1989 — to zero by fixing the currency at par to the U.S. dollar. A “climate of stagflation” is coming to South America’s second-biggest economy, he said.
Twoud be much wiser to buy canned goods and silver.
Bill Clinton: New-look GOP makes Bush look liberal
MINNEAPOLIS(AP) – Former President Bill Clinton said Tuesday that the Republican Party is embracing “ideology over evidence” and pushing out pragmatic voices that would make even his White House successor seem like a liberal.
Clinton, speaking at a Democratic fundraiser in Minneapolis, said there was no mistaking that Republicans have tacked hard right and questioned whether former President George W. Bush would fit in among the party’s candidates this year.
“A lot of their candidates today, they make him look like a liberal,” Clinton told an enthusiastic crowd at a downtown hotel as he campaigned for Democratic gubernatorial candidate Mark Dayton.
Clinton pointed to the tea party movement’s influence on the GOP.
“The Boston Tea Party was protesting abuse of power. This is now trading public power for the abuse of private power,” Clinton said, just as a tea party-backed candidate was declared the winner Tuesday night in Delaware’s hotly contested Republican primary for U.S. Senate
New-look GOP makes Bush look liberal
Let’s hope so. Bush was pretty liberal in some ways, especially with using our tax money for bailouts.
“our tax money”?
lmao.
The word on the vine is that John “Lurch” Kerry may take over Hilary’s job. She is rumored to be stepping down fairly soon. Wonder why? Perhaps she may run against Barry after all, who knows.
well.. some of us happen to think Hillary would be a most benevolent, tolerant dictator, and we could do much worse.
Pipemaker plans layoffs at Birmingham, Ala. plant
The Associated Press
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - American Cast Iron Pipe Co. says it plans to lay off another 59 workers in Birmingham.
The layoff announced Tuesday is the company’s second in a little more than two months.
The Birmingham News reports the Birmingham-based maker of iron and steel pipes used for water, oil and natural gas transmission says the layoffs will take effect Oct. 8, and the workers are eligible for recall if business conditions improve.
The company released 80 workers in Aguust.
McWane Cast Iron Pipe and U.S. Pipe and Foundry have idled or closed plants in Birmingham this year, costing almost 500 jobs. The companies cite the weak housing market as a factor.
The laid-off workers should be happy now that they can go get high-paying, benefit-laced government jobs. This is great news!
Actually, they can get jobs producing the new light bulbs of 2012.
That is, if they’re willing to move to China to get those jobs. Those bulbs won’t be made in the USA.
Now, even environmental moonbats are exporting jobs overseas.
Time to lay that pipe down.
It must be a great time to buy in Birmingham Alabama. Oh, it`s always a great time to buy. I forgot.
That outfit really is one of a kind in many ways.
http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/American-Cast-Iron-Pipe-Company-Company-History.html
Gee, can’t they bid the job in San Francisco after that neighborhood’s gas line blew up? There’s a lot of old infrastructure that needs to be replaced….
Key House Democrat: Japan forex move ‘disturbing’
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Rep. Sander Levin, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, on Wednesday called Japan’s intervention overnight in the foreign exchange market to weaken its currency “a deeply disturbing development.” Levin, a Democrat from Michigan, said his panel will closely monitor the yen’s value relative to the dollar. Levin made the comment at the opening of two days of committee hearings into the foreign exchange market, specifically focusing on exchange rate of China’s currency versus the dollar.
CNBC: Home Price Double Dip Begins
and… off we go!!!!
Home Price Double Dip Begins
The trouble with many of the “indicators” we report is that some are pretty current and others are severely lagging. Home sales are generally the former and home prices the latter.
That’s why, given the combination of the expiration of the home buyer tax credit and the increasing number of loans moving to final foreclosure, we knew that home prices overall would take a hit, but it would take a while.
Well we’re here.
Would that be double or triple at this point?
Here is one team I don`t want to be on, the UCLA research team.
Feds Spent $800,000 of Economic Stimulus on African Genital-Washing Program
Monday, September 13, 2010
By Matt Cover
(CNSNews.com) – The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), a division of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), spent $823,200 of economic stimulus funds in 2009 on a study by a UCLA research team to teach uncircumcised African men how to wash their genitals after having sex.
The genitalia-washing program is part of a larger $12-million UCLA study examining how to better encourage Africans to undergo voluntary HIV testing and counseling – however, only the penis-washing study received money from the 2009 economic stimulus law. The washing portion of the study is set to end in 2011.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/75198 - 74k
President Obama just said we can`t afford to borrow $700 billion to give tax cuts to the rich. For god`s sake he`s right. We can barely afford to wash African genitals now!
“We can barely afford to wash African genitals now’!
Well good lord you can’t expect an African to know how to wash their genitals without out the help of the US taxpayer, can you? Perhaps Okra can jet over and start a school.
This sounds like a job for Monica Lewinski…..
I’m surprised that the Gates Foundation doesn’t fund this opportunity.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation’s largest banks have an obligation to pay some of the cost for bailing out mortgage buyers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because they sold them bad mortgages, a government regulator said Wednesday.
Edward DeMarco, the acting director for the Federal Housing Finance Agency, said the banks this summer have refused to take back $11 billion in bad loans sold to the two government-controlled companies, in written testimony submitted for a House subcommittee hearing Wednesday. A third of those requests have been outstanding for at least three months.
DeMarco said the banks have a legal obligation to buy back the loans and called the delays “a significant concern.” He said the government may take new steps to force those buybacks if “discussions do not yield reasonable outcomes soon.”
Hmmm - what about the Fed? They bought a chunk of these bad MBS, did they not?
“Hello. What can we do for you today?”
“Well, I purchased a bunch of these loans a couple years ago, and they went bad. I’d like to return them. I have the original packaging and.. here’s the receipt.”
I hope Edward doesn`t tell me I have to pay anything back for the house I sold in 2005. The people I sold it to got a bad mortgage. Even if they did only pay it for a year or so.
You sold them a defective investment, and you should pay!
I suppose they would also be demanding them be bought back at original value if they had gone right and the underlying price of homes had continued to increase…
Poor Kalifornia they have two poor choices both stink to high heaven.I’m sure they’ll choose the best turd. The brown one.
Meg Whitman Becomes Biggest Self-Funded Candidate in History
Meg Whitman, the former EBay Inc. chief executive officer, has contributed $119 million of her own fortune to her campaign for California governor, making her the biggest self-funded candidate in U.S. history.
Whitman, 54, a Republican running against Jerry Brown, California’s attorney general and former governor, put $15 million into her campaign on Sept. 13, bringing her total contributions to $119 million, according to the California Secretary of State’s website. She and Brown are competing to succeed Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who can’t run this year.
“Meg Whitman will be independent of special interests and will only be accountable to the people of California when she becomes governor,” Darrel Ng, a Whitman spokesman, said today in a statement sent by e-mail.
Go ahead .. elect Brown. Give me a reason to bust outta here early.
I actually think Whitman could be better than the current governor or Brown (which may not be saying much). In any event, CA needs someone to think differently about its issues. Brown certainly isn’t that person.
CA needs to nuke the state senate.
I’m not saying anything about any of the other candidates on either side, but there appear to be two scenarios with respect to Ms. Whitman.
1) Meg Whitman wants to be the governor of California and spends $119 M of her own money doing it out of the goodness of her own heart.
2) Meg Whitman wants to be governor because she expects to get that $119 M back plus interest somehow.
Or did everyone just fall off of a &%*^$ turnip truck?
MrBubble
Brown was my governor back in college and grad school. He had a strong “southern California ONLY” attitude back then: the only infrastructure he would support was for south of the Tehachapis.
Then he changed his colors and became the mayor of Oakland of all places.
http://money dot cnn dot com/2010/09/15/real_estate/california_home_price_rebound/index.htm
Worth noting is that the higher prices are AFTER the federal tax credit ran out, but BEFORE the state tax credit ran out.
If the trend continues upwards in the coming months (CA stopped accepting applications for the credit on 9/15), it will only be due to general lack of supply and affordability.
Time will tell.
U.S. Home Prices Face 3-Year Drop as Inventory Surge Looms
By John Gittelsohn and Kathleen M. Howley - Sep 15, 2010 12:14 PM ET
The slide in U.S. home prices may have another three years to go as sellers add as many as 12 million more properties to the market.
Defaulted mortgages as of July took an average 469 days to reach foreclosure, up from 319 days in January 2009. That’s an indication lenders — with the help of the government loan modification programs — are delaying resolutions and preventing the market from flooding with distressed properties, said Herb Blecher, senior vice president for analytics at LPS.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-15/u-s-home-prices-face-three-year-drop-as-inventory-surge-looms.html - 66k -