September 19, 2010

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Comment by palmetto
2010-09-19 05:02:59

OK, I’m confused. Are the Bush tax cuts expiring, or not?

Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-09-19 06:01:25

Is this October? No. The answer will come when the timing is politically expedient.

Incidentally, October also promises to be an interesting month when it comes to amnesty.

Manipulating the public is seemingly what politics is all about.

Comment by pismoclam
2010-09-19 17:08:08

O ba ma has already put an amnesty rider on a Defense bill. ‘Take that you neocon patriot Repubs. Let’s see you vote No for our boys in uniform’.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-09-19 06:36:22

They will expire automatically at the end of this year. Congress can re-authorize the current tax brackets only by both houses passing a bill to that effect, which The One must then sign.

My money’s on the snowball surviving in hell.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-19 07:42:59

Rep: let all the tax cuts expire.

Dem: let all expire except for those making $250,000 per year. I don’t know if that’s gross or adjusted gross income.

USA Today/Gallup poll: a) 37% favor keeping income tax cuts in place for all, b) 44% favor allowing tax cuts to expire for high incomes only, c) 15% favor allowing all Bush tax cuts to expire.

How about HBBers? I favor b.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 07:46:36

What’s up with the death tax… err.. estate tax limits? Are those pretty much gone? Nobody cares?

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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-19 08:15:20

There are zero estate taxes in 2010. In 2011 the tax will be 55% on anything over a million in inheritance. Most thought that congress this year would do something like restore the tax on anything over 5 million (2009 rules). But congress has been busy and fighting over a lot of stuff this year. So the heirs of rich people are having a good year in 2010!

I expect that we’ll have a couple of million to leave when we die. That would mean that my heirs would keep $1,450,000. Not bad.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-09-19 08:46:15

So the heirs of rich people are having a good year in 2010!

You mean like George Steinbrenner’s Heirs ??

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 08:56:21

Not bad.. but i wouldn’t feel the same about leaving virtually half of 10M exposed and vulnerable.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-09-19 09:03:58

I expect that we’ll have a couple of million to leave when we die. That would mean that my heirs would keep $1,450,000. Not bad.

I have to question how one gets to the point of being okay with saying “not bad”.

Yes, that’s a lot of money. But the core issue is whether anyone other than your heirs (or whomever you choose to leave your money to) has a right to that money.

“Not bad” seems to presume that the money is not rightfully theirs, and by the grace of government they’re coming out ahead.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-19 11:03:08

Why worry about policy that you know won’t ever, ever impact you?

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 12:01:43

..Why worry about policy that you know won’t ever, ever impact you?..

Pessimists find it easy to imagine how anyone might become poor.
Optimists find it easy to see how anyone might become wealthy.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-19 12:09:22

Suckers find it easy to delude themselves into believing they’ll be wealthy if they work “just a little harder”.

Skeptics know that an entire life time of slaving away produces nothing for the slave in the absence of real opportunity.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 12:33:25

exeter..

Someone told you that working harder will make you wealthy and you believed them?

Don’t assume everyone is like you..

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-19 12:53:47

I expect that we’ll have a couple of million to leave when we die. That would mean that my heirs would keep $1,450,000. Not bad.

drummin says
I have to question how one gets to the point of being okay with saying “not bad”.

Yes, that’s a lot of money. But the core issue is whether anyone other than your heirs (or whomever you choose to leave your money to) has a right to that money.

“Not bad” seems to presume that the money is not rightfully theirs, and by the grace of government they’re coming out ahead.

Drummin, I am of the opinion that my descendants will have benefited financially just by having my husband and me as parents/grandparents during our lifetimes. They probably won’t need the money, just as I haven’t needed any help from my parents because they educated me and helped us get started in life. You have every right to question my philosophy of inheritance.

The alternative viewpoint, which I have heard on this blog from Joey in the past, is that descendants have a right to every penny of the estate, because the forebears worked hard for it. In other cultures, and in the past, a variation on this theme was that the only person with the “right” to inherit was the oldest son.

At this point I’m assuming that my children/grandchildren will need some inheritance. If they don’t, we have the option of leaving our money, tax-free, to the charities of our choice, which addresses your “core issue” drumminj. Or we can slowly give it all away during our lifetimes. So you see, the antecendent does have a fair degree of control.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 13:19:33

..the antecendent does have a fair degree of control..

Actually, we have no control. We have some limited number of options which the government grants us.

The government decides what portion of our wealth is distributed to our children when we die. Government also decides whether or not our contributions to charity are tax free.

Nothing prevents government from taking it all.. well.. we prevent it. That’s not correct either. Some of us prevent it.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-19 13:20:21

Yeah “Joey”…… Someone did…. they’ve been telling the entire country the same lie for years. And you wave your flag for them everyday right here on this blog.

Now;

Stop ducking and weaving and answer the question…

Why worry about policy that you know won’t ever, ever impact you?

 
Comment by butters
2010-09-19 13:51:21

Yeah sure why bother it doesn’t impact you.

Why bother about gay marriages because it doesn’t impact you?
Why bother about bombing the hel! out of Pakistanis because it doesn’t impact you?
Why bother about bank bailouts because it doesn’t impact you?
Why bother about racism because it doesn’t impact you?

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 14:01:54

exeter.. You think I’m so wealthy that tax policy doesn’t impact me?

ummm… you’re wrong.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 14:32:57

I’d forgotten that gay marriage was of utmost strategic importance. :roll:

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 14:39:55

“Pessimists find it easy to imagine how anyone might become poor.
Optimists find it easy to see how anyone might become wealthy.”

Realists consider what percentage of poor folks become wealthy, and what percentage of wealthy folks stay wealthy, noting that by any objective measure, the latter category’s percentage dwarfs the first, especially as the U.S. income and wealth distributions, not to mention the rules of the game (or lack thereof), become increasingly skewed in favor of the wealthy. As they say, it takes money to make money.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 14:52:02

bear.. That makes just about as much sense as comparing the number of people who become doctors to those who don’t, and then declaring that becoming a doctor is “skewed” towards people who have an education.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 15:50:07

bear.. That makes just about as much sense

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 17:21:31

rio.. Yes, the statement makes sense. I misspoke.

Boiled down, it tells me that it’s easier to remain at the top of the hill than it is to climb that hill.

But I want to know how to get up there. Not everyone up there had the “money to make money”.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 17:51:50

‘That makes just about as much sense as comparing the number of people who become doctors to those who don’t, and then declaring that becoming a doctor is “skewed” towards people who have an education.’

Presuming one could obtain the confidential data, it would be straightforward to identify birth-family incomes for U.S. medical doctors and compare them to the overall U.S. family wealth distribution. We could conduct a statistical test of your hypothesis that initial wealth doesn’t matter using a t-test of the null hypothesis that family wealth for those who become medical doctors equals the mean family wealth in the U.S. population, versus the alternative hypothesis that family wealth for medical doctors is higher than average.
Since the answer is a foregone conclusion, I leave this as an exercise to anyone who is more motivated than I am to carry it out.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-19 18:12:33

“You think I’m so wealthy that tax policy doesn’t impact me?
ummm… you’re wrong.”

No….. I’m quite confident it doesn’t impact you one bit.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 18:24:28

‘Not everyone up there had the “money to make money”.’

OK, agreed, and also agree that America remains the Land of Opportunity, even if its opportunities have diminished somewhat in recent years. I grew up in a Midwestern city, and my dad was a minister at a poor, inner-city church. There was this black family who attended there, and one of the family’s sons, with whom I once played a violin duet in church, was not only a fine violinist, but also a brilliant child prodigy in mathematics who collaborated with mathematicians from the local university to develop a mathematical model of population growth. Today he is an MD, and an activist in helping to guide America’s future national parks education policy. Given his early promise, and his good fortune to be born in America, the resources needed to climb to a successful career in medicine were available to him when he needed them.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 18:25:47

exeter.. your fascination with how much other people around here are worth is just a bit unseemly.

Believe me.. your offhanded way of prying does not go unnoticed.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-19 19:20:29

You’re projecting again.

And again….. I’m quite confident the expiration of the tax fraud won’t impact you…. not by a bit.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 19:28:03

Interesting story bear.. it can’t have been easy for him to succeed.
I’m going to guess that his parents (unlike some people around here who will remain nameless although we all know exactly who I’m talking about) would never in a million years tell him he had no chance of success.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-19 19:48:33

Run Joey Run.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 21:16:11

…Almost two-thirds of the world’s billionaires made their fortunes from scratch, relying on grit and determination, and not on good genes. Meet 10 of them.

http://www.walletpop.com/specials/forbes/self-made-billionaires/

..While inheriting a billion dollars is still the easiest way to land on our list of the world’s wealthiest, it certainly isn’t the most common. Almost two-thirds of the world’s 946 billionaires made their fortunes from scratch, relying on grit and determination, and not good genes.

Fifty of these self-made tycoons are college or high school dropouts. The most famous billionaire dropout is Microsoft’s Bill Gates, who finally got his honorary degree from Harvard University in June, 30 years after quitting the prestigious school to sell software. ”I did the best of everyone who failed,” joked the world’s richest man in his official graduation address. With failure like that, who needs success?

Other billionaires, such as media maven Oprah Winfrey, made their fortunes against far greater odds. Born in rural Mississippi, she spent her early years living in poverty on her grandmother’s farm. Wanting a way out, she moved to Wisconsin to be with her mother, but was sexually molested by her male relatives. At age 14, she reportedly gave birth to a premature baby who died. Only after moving to Nashville to be with her father did her luck finally start to turn.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/06/22/billionaires-gates-winfrey-biz-cz_ts_0626rags2riches.html

sleep tight..

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-20 05:27:18

RunJoeyRun,

Any planned changes in tax policy won’t impact you and we know it.

 
 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-09-19 08:26:52

I favor a, but will take b if that $250,000 is indexed to inflation.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 08:46:03

You mean like how the AMT is indexed to inflation? ;)

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-09-19 17:10:10

I vote a. I also favor repeal of Title 9 and separate but equal.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-09-19 07:47:28

OK, I’m confused. Are the Bush tax cuts expiring, or not?

dunno, …but I’ll tell ya what, I’ll use ANYTHING to make money the rest of this year, lil Opie the (Non-Hawaiian) Muslim-Socialist , …Diz, all the Gov’t’s fault!,…”Sarah Palin said…”,…Gold! Gold! Gold!…”Meg /2010″…“TruePurity™” / “TrueAnger™”,…MUrDoch’s “TrueProvoker ™” Faux News,…Glenbeckinstan’s “TrueAmericanRestore™”,…Stewart’s / Colbert’s “TrueAmericanRestoreSanity™”

Wall Street cannot survive for the next 5 -10 years of +5-22 point / -(17-41) point daily/weekly/monthly variation spreads and expect EVERYONE to continue to be financially excited and blindly keep depositing money in their pot…then again, what the heck do I know? :-)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-09-19 11:40:48

Hwy’s off his meds again. :-(

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 14:34:07

Somebody is, but it isn’t him.

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Comment by Kim
2010-09-19 08:49:01

Coverdell account (college savings) contribution maximums, IIRC, were at one point tied to the tax cuts. So whether the tax cuts expire or not, I do hope Congress will move to keep the maximum Coverdell contributions at $2,000 per year. Otherwise, the maximum contribution will diminish to $500 per year in 2011.

I much prefer running my own money in a Coverdell than trusting the mutual funds that make up 529 plans not to rip me off.

 
Comment by zeus matuze
2010-09-19 14:42:37

Whether they expire or not doesn’t matter. President Baraq Hussein Islama will veto any extension.
What’s surprising is the number of “foolish frogs,” boiled in the increasingly hot water of socialism/collectivism, who naively offer their fellow citizens’ assets to the same bunch of featherbedding yokels who have given us a $13 Trillion dollar debt and a 10% unemployment rate…all the while, said yokels provide themselves with opulent retirement and employment bennies.
Pathetic, really.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 15:52:07

President Baraq Hussein Islama

Good Lord. I leave for 2 years and you guys go bonkers…

Comment by zeus matuze
2010-09-19 17:25:05

Promises….promises!
(heh,heh,heh)

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Comment by Roy G Biv
2010-09-19 05:27:39

Need a spreadsheet to help me figure out interest on a small loan I made to a relative. They [a 20-something, for a car] only make random payments but I want to keep track of the 5% interest I am charging them [okay I really am not trying to make a profit, but want them to be held accountable - would give them a blood transfusion if I needed to but as I said trying to teach responsibility]. So anyone know/have a template of such ??? Thanks.

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2010-09-19 07:10:30

You don’t really need a spreadsheet, although one could easily be made based on what I lay out here. The key parameter you need to track is the number of days between payments (d). The amount of interest (I) that has accumulated from one payment to the next is P*r*(d/365), where P is the principal that happens to be left at that time. Now that you’ve got the interest accumulated, all you have to do is subtract it from any payment and apply the rest toward the principal. Repeat anytime you receive a payment.

Comment by Roy G Biv
2010-09-19 16:41:49

Thank you all !!!

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-19 07:21:33

Remembering how they taught it to us in high school…..

Assuming interest charges are accrued on a monthly basis, you take the principle and add 5% the first month. Let’s say the principle is $1000, the first month the boy owes $1000 x 1.05 minus any payment he offered you. He now owes you $1050 minus let’s say $100 in payment = $950 is the balance after month 1.

So for the next month you take the $950 and multiply that by 1.05 and subtract any new payment. You could make a chart if he was paying you consistently every month. Or you could make a chart with an example of him only paying every 2-3 mos and show him he’s not doing himself any favors.

Hope that helps.

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2010-09-19 08:30:18

I wouldn’t want to borrow any money from CarrieAnn, who charges 5% per month or 60% a year! Take that 5% and divide by 12, and her suggestion works–if you’re getting regular on-time monthly payments.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-19 10:10:51

I’ll borrow from Carrie. I’m a hard-up FB and only plan on making one or two payments anyway.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-19 14:17:59

I’d be the one to do the background check though.

Move along now, l’il FB.
: )

 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-09-19 17:18:23

Is :) grins ?

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-19 14:09:12

Dang, I knew I typed that out too fast.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 07:26:28

If my objective was to teach them responsibility, I would first consult with my brother (or whoever) about what I was about to do to their child, and then strictly enforce the terms of my contract with the 20-something.

 
Comment by yensoy
2010-09-19 07:35:01

Whats your email? I got a spreadsheet for you.

Comment by Roy G Biv
2010-09-19 16:40:44

peggy348@gmail.com And thanks for all the other tips. It is a she, I am the Uncle and I could be wrapped around she & hers sister’s fingers if they just would say “tell us some more stories of when you were a teenager and tormented our mother [my baby sister], and how sorry you are for that now”

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-19 05:55:46

“The Fed can create all the money it wants, but it cannot command it to flow uphill. The new money flows downhill where the fun is: to the bond market. Bond speculators are having a field day.”

~Antal Fekete

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 07:48:53

“…to the bond real and financial investment markets: stocks, bonds, gold, oil, houses, you name it.”

Zero-percent borrowing = free poker chips for Megabank, Inc or anyone else who qualifies for super-low interest rate loans to speculate in whatever asset category it chooses

Comment by scdave
2010-09-19 08:17:05

Exactly Bear….Its guaranteed profits for the banks et al….

Comment by arizonadude
2010-09-19 08:34:18

in the meantime credit card companies continue to jack up rates for consumers.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 11:13:40

That’s the difference between paying wholesale prices to the Fed for money, like Megabank, Inc gets to do, versus retail prices, like credit card-funded consumers pay. The difference between the wholesale and retail prices = Megabank profits and bonus payments.

 
Comment by arizonadude
2010-09-19 15:52:58

How do I become a wholesaler to the fed?I want money at zero percent so I can specualte in treasuries too.

 
 
Comment by zeus matuze
2010-09-19 19:24:59

Zeus’s view of bankers, in general, is rapidly going from mild disdain, to abhorrence, to loathing, to hatred…
….. in an amazingly brief amount of time.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 08:11:05

… The new money flows downhill where the fun is: to the bond market…

i don’t get that at all.. Where the “fun” is?

Bonds are low-return, long duration, relatively safe, conservative investments. There’s nothing fun about them. Bonds are what dominates old people’s portfolios.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-09-19 08:53:02

Bonds are low-return, long duration, relatively safe, conservative investments. There’s nothing fun about them. Bonds are what dominates old people’s portfolios.

Like houses?

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 10:25:13

yeah.. that’s it. Like houses.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 11:12:02

Bonds are only fun if deflation turns out much higher than expected!

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 14:11:17

Maybe bonds provide a certain sort of fun… the same way gardening is fun.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 17:54:59

Just imagine the excited surprise of Japanese bond investors who bought circa 1990, upon learning that two decades of subsequent inflation would make them “richer than expected.” I could personally live with that kind of excitement.

Except I don’t think it is going to happen here, since as far as I can tell, the Fed’s fiat money press is still in good working order, and there is nominal debt to be paid off as far as the eye can see and beyond across the U.S. financial landscape.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 18:56:15

i guess you meant 20 yrs of de-flation..

Who can say which will triumph in this exciting battle between the money press and the debt bonfire.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-19 05:57:20

My 82 year old fathers response to someone named Jeff…

Somebody named Jeff submitted this challenge to TEA Partiers on Lew Rockwell’s blog. We couldn’t resist answering him.

I have a few simple questions for these angry voters and their favored candidates:

1) Have you consistently refused to vote for Republicans and Democrats, either by not voting or voting third party? (Some have, Jeff, and some haven’t. A majority may have supported the GOP for years in the belief the party would do what it promised and live within the means of the taxpayer. The last time we, personally, voted for a Republican or Democrat presidential candidate was 1964. And you?)

2) Do you advocate abolishing or drastically reducing Social Security? (It’s on the skids and needs strong medicine if it’s to survive, but TEA Party folks - like most Americans - are only lately coming to understand the fundamental demographic problem. Two few workers supporting too many recipients! And the Trust Fund is mostly gov’t IOUs!)

3) Do you advocate abolishing or drastically reducing Medicare? (The maximum Medicare tax anybody paid when it started in 1966 was $23.00 for the entire year. The tax slowly rose, outlays rose faster, and a great many TEA Party patriots have come to realize it is doomed. It’s this kind of government mis-management that gave rise to the TP movement in the first place!)

4) Do you advocate the immediate removal of U.S. military forces from foreign nations, and drastically reducing the DOD budget? (Jeff, that’s a loaded question and you know it. Every one knows that the USA has built up a shockingly expensive military operation around the world and that something must be done about it. But you want to close the whole thing down “immediately” and throw thousands of military people into the civilian work force? Doing what?)

5) Do you advocate abolishing the Federal Reserve system and repealing laws that prohibit currency competition? (The Federal Reserve began management of the U.S. dollar in 1913 and has driven its value down to less than 5¢. Of course it ought to be put out of business and the money of the Constitution restored. But the issue of fiat currency versus commodity money is only now finding its way into the national debate. Give TEA Party supporters from now ’til the election of 2012 and then ask ‘em the question. They are acquainting themselves with the tricks Congress and the Federal Reserve have been playing with our common medium of exchange and it takes some time to sort it all out. We pity the politico who doesn’t also study up on this before November, 2012.)

Jeff concludes by saying that if you haven’t answered his questions to suit him “You have NO business complaining about the ’state of the union.’ ”

He is quite wrong, of course. As long as Congress and other levels of government are extracting money from your purse, and wasting so much as a dime of it, you have every right to complain. Loud…and often. ~JW

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-19 07:51:18

Jeff was asking for yes or no answers. Your father only answered 1 and 5. His comments on 2-4 were no different than any thinking person’s would be, but he did not answer the questions. I suspect that his answers to 2 and 3 would be, “yes, but not until I’m dead and no longer collecting SS and Medicare.”

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-19 11:20:30

1) Have you consistently refused to vote for Republicans and Democrats, either by not voting or voting third party? (Excellent nail them to the wall question Jeff. Keep asking it. You won’t get a straight answer but you’ll get plenty of stammering, diffusion and misdirection.)

2) Do you advocate abolishing or drastically reducing Social Security? (Trump this 30 year old lie by flat out suggesting we abolish social security…. and watch the coward runs from their worn out manufactured rhetoric.)

3) Do you advocate abolishing or drastically reducing Medicare? (see answer #2)

4) Do you advocate the immediate removal of U.S. military forces from foreign nations, and drastically reducing the DOD budget? (You’ll get diffusive answers like “what will we do with all the unemployed DoD employees”….. You know what kind of Crime Syndicate the military industrial complex is. Anyone who champions war and military hardware has a financial stake and is likely involved in fraud)

5) Do you advocate abolishing the Federal Reserve system and repealing laws that prohibit currency competition? (Again Jeff…. you will get no *solutions* from this crowd. Tripe and rhetoric like “ban the Fed” is the extent of their mental fortitude.)

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-09-19 06:14:03

Wow,

Yahoo reporting actor Randy Quaid and wife arrested for burglary and squatting plus damage in their old house.

Comment by mikey
2010-09-19 06:15:31

Quaids arrest link

http://tinyurl.com/33w7gej

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 06:54:08

Here’s the LA Times version.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/wire/sns-ap-us-people-randy-quaid,0,3073810.story

Also includes information on a previous episode of defrauding an innkeeper.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 14:38:59

Also includes information on a previous episode of defrauding an innkeeper.

I’d forgotten all about that. Those folks are frikken weird. Or wealthy deadbeats.

My votes on the latter.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-19 10:12:49

Randy Quaid as spokesman for squatters. Squatters unite!

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-09-19 06:22:23

We have a beloved Cousin Eddie here too !

:)

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 08:22:54

He’s MIA — a bad indicator for the stock market in October.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-09-19 08:56:20

I gotta give him a little credit, I thought he’d be trumpeting his genius long and loud during this last pop. Maybe he’s in agreement about waiting until the end of the year before passing judgment?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 11:10:53

Either we hit DJIA = 12K at some point between now and 12/31/10, or we either get spin or silence from brer’ Ed.

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Comment by Brett
2010-09-19 06:25:16

A project manager at the company where I work bought a second home (around 200k) in Texas for his daughters because they don’t make enough money after graduating from college (one has a degree in music, the other a degree in international business).
He put 20% down, and he will temporarily pay half the mortgage, insurance and taxes, while the daughters are expected to pay for the other half.
The ‘rent’ the daughters are paying will be used as ‘equity’ whenever they decide to sell the house or when the daughters want to buy the house from their pArents.
He said the main reasons behind his decision were:
1. He couldn’t stand seeing his daughters throw money away in rent.
2. He knows his daughters couldn’t buy on their own.

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2010-09-19 07:13:04

Yikes! Aren’t property taxes about 3% in TX, meaning a cool $500 a month?

Comment by krazy bill
2010-09-19 14:14:49

The way I figure it, my property tax is more than 8% this year; I bought for $18k in 1975, tax this year is $1.5k. I’ve paid more in property tax than the purchase price of the house, and that doesn’t seem right.

Comment by pismoclam
2010-09-19 17:36:43

kb, you’re lucky that Prop 13 is still in effect.However the public service unions and school teachers want it repealed. ‘How dare you not pay higher taxes so that we can retire at 50 with 95% of our last years pay’.

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Comment by krazy bill
2010-09-19 20:46:20

No Prop 13 in Arizona :(

 
 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-19 07:51:23

We have a friend who’s unemployed stepson and family are living in his 2nd home on the lake paying nothing. Our friend has spent years working multiple jobs, generating incomes in 3 different industries putting cash and sweat equity into the place. He’s taken it from a summer camp to a year round abode only to hand it to someone who is not even paying the heat bill. The son, formerly in construction, is only working sporadically. And his wife insists on staying home w/their new baby. The owner does not believe anyone is trying very hard to generate income. The owner’s wife (the son’s mother) also has a lucrative income in the medical field so her career also contributed to the ownership, but the whole situation is causing a real strain on all involved.

It’s starting to look like our protect our children from the sting of reality culture is reaping what it has sowed. We’ve produced a generation of hangers on. Not everyone, obviously. I see hard workers out there. But overall? I think in some families their children will be the rock around their necks that take them down.

Comment by scdave
2010-09-19 08:33:27

like our protect our children from the sting of reality culture is reaping what it has sowed ??

I disagree….Its far harder for the twenty/thirty somethings today then it was for my generation…This generation will be the first in 100 years or more that will not have a living standard better than their parents…Lots of reasons but generally speaking I don’t think its because they are slackers and if you put yourself in their shoes you can understand their discouragement…They need our encouragement and support not our ridicule…

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-19 09:05:01

In the story above, the owner believes the search for employment isn’t genuine. I waitressed for months making money while waiting for the “real job” to appear so I’ll stand by my comments. My bills were paid even the $200/mo Mom insisted I cough up to remain at home. ($200 in 1983 dollars for a bedroom. It cost me $300 when I moved out w/roommates.)

This friend of ours is getting nothing. Also if I was hiring, I’d be loathe to hire anyone that rolled on the floor and went into a fetal position.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-19 09:20:56

Dave:

I may have a different perspective…where are the 20 somethings posting on this board?

They may have far more up to date digital and social networking skills then me..but I am gaining.

But I find a total lack of street smarts….or just cluelessness about things around them. I am amazed at how few know how to fix anything so I get free stuff on CL and resell for some good money.

Which of course would make them a ripe target for the next housing bubble

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Comment by scdave
2010-09-19 10:13:26

dj….Its just my own perspective on the fairly large group that I observe and its a large group due to the fact that my children were born and raised here, are still here and are 30, 31 & 32….

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-19 10:43:04

But do they have street smarts? survival skills?

Like getting 100 Chinese language laser discs for free and quickly re-marketing them on ebay for almost $400?

 
Comment by DF
2010-09-19 14:12:09

“Like getting 100 Chinese language laser discs for free and quickly re-marketing them on ebay for almost $400?”

Sorry, I’m 28 and don’t have that particular survival skill. I don’t run across that kind of junk too much.

Also, being in NYC, your perspective might be skewed by the fact that most people my age who live in NYC are fairly well off to begin with relative to other American 20-somethings.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-19 15:09:58

Funny well off…..sure …..

 
Comment by scdave
2010-09-19 17:36:35

But do they have street smarts? survival skills?

Well yeah…Duhhh…They are my children…:)

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-19 18:16:44

oops, sorry Dave I meant their friends, basic things like upgrading their computer or do they take it to the geek squad and charge it.

 
 
 
Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-09-19 13:37:32

I hear helicopter props becoming dislodged and spiraling wildly into the woods.

Parents who fight battles for their 18-year-old+ kids realize precisely the returns you describe here.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-09-19 07:56:04

3. What happens when Dad discovers that they are collecting “rent” from their “boyfriends/girlfriends” ?

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-19 08:02:54

I think that a gift is a gift, and that if you can’t afford to pay for the gift, you have no right to ask the giftee to pay part of it. He also has no legal standing unless he got his daughters to sign a contract, but it sounds like he didn’t.

I faced this dilemma last year when my sister and I bought a little house in Michigan for a third sister who is broke and unemployed. My sister’s husband wanted us to at least force her to pay the utilities. I understood where he was coming from, but she had been homeless for two years and had no track record of being able to pay even minimal bills. I pay the utilities. She still has no job prospects, though she applies for them constantly. She won’t even get herself on food stamps, though I ask her to about once a month. But at least she won’t freeze to death this winter.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 08:18:58

Interesting question: does receiving free housing disqualify her from getting food stamps?

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-19 08:43:03

I don’t think so. We don’t give her any cash (she would blow it), and we paid cash for the house. The utility companies send the bills to me in California, and my sister and I split the property tax bill. I didn’t mention that my sister is mentally ill, even worse because her paranoia prevents her from seeking treatment (or any medical treatment, for that matter.) I don’t know how she gets money to eat. I think she just bums food and cigarettes from friends. Last month my other sister sent a costco gift card to my niece and nephew, and they bought their mother food with it. I buy her vegetable seeds and fruit plants in the spring, and she plants them in her yard.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-09-19 19:25:39

“We don’t give her any cash (she would blow it)”

Substance abuse problem?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 11:19:36

I’d think the correlation would be positive, not negative…

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Comment by Roy G Biv
2010-09-19 16:50:01

My 2 cents as an unemployed person. There is PLENTY of work to do out there, just not many people willing to give you money to do it. Helping the elderly shop, church lawns to be cleaned up, even weeds to be dug from the public right of ways. I know I do some of it just to not go nuts, as I refuse to watch TV in the daytime.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-09-19 09:23:37

Loan to Value 80.00%
Monthly Insurance $125.00
Monthly Mortgage Payment $844.31
Monthly PMI $0.00
Monthly Property Taxes $250.00
Months with PMI 0 months

Total Monthly Payment $1,219.31 / 2 = $609.00 each until “temporary support” is withdrawn…

Plus they have to be able to live with one another & their accompanying “friends” & “lovers”

Would never work in Hwy’s family…NEVER! ;-)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 14:40:48

“A project manager at the company where I work bought a second home (around 200k) in Texas for his daughters “

Talk about spoiled. :roll:

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-19 06:52:48

been combing over the most recent Flow of Funds report which seems to scream that consumers are not deleveraging on their own. When you subtract out write-offs where borrowers are being cut off by their lenders, the resulting amount of shrinkage in ourstanding credit is miniscule.

For a while economists had me believing in a generation of stagnating growth and a bounce between light deflation/inflation. But now I’m back to watching for the big bang with expectations of forced austerity, another post dead cat bounce giant leg down.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-19 07:58:37

Huh, looks like part of my post didn’t make it. I did not do that Flow of Funds analysis myself. You may have read about it in the Wall Street Journal and other blogs. I’m only commenting on their results.

Comment by packman
2010-09-19 20:08:40

I believe this is the article - and it does point out exactly what you say - that the supposed newfound virtuosity is a probably a myth. The amount of reduced debt almost exactly matches the amount of writedowns.

Still a good thing, nonetheless. However it has implications for what happens if/when the writedowns bottom out - i.e. people haven’t necessarily learned their lesson that debt is bad; so when credit availability opens back up - we may be right back where we started; another credit bubble.

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 07:16:06

I’m normally somewhat annoyed by the SF Chron’s placement of real estate “stories” on the front page of their website. These stories look more like thinly-veiled adverts to me. But today’s story adds a kicker: the price has gone down to $2.699 million from $4.5 million in July 2009.

Comment by DennisN
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 08:25:10

“It’s listed for $2.699 million”

That 99 at the end of a price is a direct insult to people’s intelligence. But we love it just the same.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 07:30:42

Zillow shows the neighboring houses are in the $500K to $850K range.

What’s the old comment about never having the most expensive house in a neighborhood?

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 14:45:00

Exactly.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 07:36:50

Built in 1985, Zillow shows no previous sales price. Probably for sale by original owners or their estate. Prop 13 assessed at $740K so originally was built in the $600K range.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 08:25:02

“…down to $2.699 million from $4.5 million in July 2009.”

Never been a better time to buy luxury housing in Coastal Cali (though next year is likely to be a still-better time…).

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-09-19 11:47:11

Zillow was built in 1985? I didn’t realize it had been around that long.

 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2010-09-19 12:13:51

Ha, be sure to take a look at the inside photos. The place looks like a 1980s pornographer’s mansion.

Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-09-19 13:59:38

Hmmm….you sure lead an interesting life! LOL.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 14:46:29

Holy cow! No Kidding! :lol:

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 14:55:52

That place certainly is pimped out. What’s up with that image on the refrigerator door?

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-09-19 07:32:57

Within a month of putting her two-bedroom house in San Francisco on the market recently, homeowner Linda Gao had five offers, each one above her asking price of $699,000. So before accepting the most-attractive bid, she threw in an extra condition: If you want to buy my house, you have to feed the squirrels.

Ah, the good old days….

Two weeks later, she and the buyer hammered out a contract that included feeding the backyard wildlife, which Ms. Gao has done three times a week for the past two years. “I don’t think it matters if it’s a buyer’s market or a seller’s market,” Ms. Gao says. “Anyone with a good heart would feed them.”

Indeed, when Susan Butler was negotiating to buy Ms. Gao’s San Francisco property, she was resigned to the feeding schedule. “At that point, I said, ‘Yeah, what the hell, I’ll feed the squirrels,’” she said. She signed a contract in April, paying $815,000 — or $116,000 over the asking price. Will Ms. Butler actually feed her new furry friends? “Probably not,” says the college administrator. “I don’t want to encourage other rodents.”

If this poster child for FB overpayment is still in the house, I bet she’s subsisting on squirrel kabob.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 07:38:22

What year was this?

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-09-19 08:03:08

2005 or 2006, I think. When the lunacy was at its peak.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 08:22:00

Ah yes, 2006, when I unloaded a house for $670K on a house painter making an estimated $50K a year.

Through the door there came familiar laughter
I saw your face and heard you call my name
Oh my friend we’re older but no wiser
For in our hearts the dreams are still the same

Those were the days my friend
We thought they’d never end
We’d sing and dance forever and a day
We’d live the life we choose
We’d fight and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 08:25:13

Normally you feed peanuts in the shell to squirrels….

She could instead use the peanuts to make a tasty kung pao squirrel for herself. :lol:

 
Comment by mikey
2010-09-19 08:26:42

My black lab friend spent a joyful morning chasing the squirrels and chipmunks around the oak trees and the bird feeder. He is very mellow and they all tolerate him to some degree. He’s lucky that they don’t beat him up. He’s actually afraid of one chipmunk that he accidently cornered by the house, it turned and stood it’s ground for a second.

He’s worse than a kid and the little chipmunks darting and weaving soon run him ragged. As soon as he’s out of breath, everyone is back around the bird feed or gathering acorns like he doesn’t even exist.

Some of the leaves are turning and falling, another Wisconsin winter is on it’s way. A silly black lab pup playing, doesn’t get much respect around here, when the food supply is on everyone’s tiny minds.

(No silly black labs injured or killed while making this post)

:)

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-09-19 10:50:07

Good to hear, Mikey. Labs have great a demeanor. I’ve never met a lab that wasn’t a lovable playful spirit. I grew up with an Aunt that had a lab that use to swim with us. He just loved us kids and we adored him.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-09-19 08:58:27

“Will Ms. Butler actually feed her new furry friends? “Probably not,” says the college administrator.”

Linda Gao (seller) must be sooooo upset to hear that. I wonder if she’ll take the house back at $815,000?

 
Comment by jbunniii
2010-09-19 12:20:16

By the time the market bottoms, sellers should be so desperate that buyers can extract similar concessions from them. I for one intend to demand that the seller drink a cup of my urine as a condition of my purchase.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-19 13:01:55

Or maybe some of your homemade squirrel stew (a little less gross.)

As a boy my dad hunted squirrels in the wintertime that their dog treed. My grandma made the stew - it was the only way to make the tough meat edible.

Comment by cobaltblue
2010-09-19 14:42:02

And yes, having been a native Orange County (New York) squirrel eater in the 1950’s you could get them stewed to perfection. Wonderfully cheap. (Sorry about that Olygal but now that you are above the fray, admit: Tomato sauce makes a lot of things better).

But every body in back of their mind was thinking:

“It sucks to be poor!”

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Comment by pismoclam
2010-09-19 17:50:29

Several of the 3 & 4 star restaurants in London feature squirrel. One of the Cooking Channel’s programs even had an episode on how to clean and cook!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 14:57:07

“I don’t want to encourage other rodents.”

Breach of rodent maintenance contract!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-19 07:33:17

Now the chidrens can sign themselves over to the gubmint…

Citigroup shedding student loan business
Citigroup sells student loan business as growing federal role shakes up industry

BOSTON (AP) — Citigroup Inc. is exiting the private student loan business, as the government changes the playing field by making Uncle Sam the primary lender to students.

The government’s growing role is cutting out private lenders from much of the business of financing higher education, prompting lenders to decide whether to exit the business entirely or scale back.

On Friday, Citigroup said it is selling its 80 percent stake in Student Loan Corp., its student loan business, and about $32 billion in related assets to Discover Financial Services and the student lender Sallie Mae.

The combined transactions will bring Citigroup $1.8 billion in cash, but Citi said it will take a loss of about $500 million in this year’s third quarter because of the deals.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 07:39:37

I wonder whether Congress will respond to the “student debt crisis” by amending the bankruptcy laws to make student loans dischargeable in bankruptcy.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-19 08:28:43

Dennis:

I would add 1 stipulation, by making sure they are on welfare.

Once you get welfare, then you can file BK and discharge the debt.

Otherwise people will find ways to look very poor on paper

Comment by diemos
2010-09-19 12:27:26

You want to reform bankruptcy for student loan debt?

How about this.

Allow the students the choice of converting debt to equity. They can have their debts canceled if they agree to give 10% of their income off the top for the rest of their lives to their creditors.

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Comment by oxide
2010-09-19 09:09:28

I hope not. You can’t repo a college degree. I wouldn’t mind a deferrment or a suspension. I deferred my college loans for a LONG time. Then I paid on them for about 3 years and then paid them off. Sallie Mae doesn’t like me much. :cool:

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-09-19 08:04:36

“What they willingly lose in America, they eagerly strive for elsewhere…”

America has comparatively bad “Short-Term” demographics: 310 Million people who mostly obey their countries tax laws, even if fudgingly so…. ;-)

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 08:08:20

I got through 9 years at the university without even investigating student loans. Mostly I was self-financed via TA-ships and savings.

So I have to ask: do the student loan issuers demand to see report cards before funding subsequent years? Or do they just ignore any student-performance related input?

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-19 08:35:04

I too was very lucky, Dennis. I took out a $5000 student loan for my last two years of medical school. The combined tuition at UCSF for my four years (early 1980s) was $13,000, IIRC. Nowadays that wouldn’t even cover half of the first year. It was a federal loan at 7%.

In the mid-2000’s it was as easy to get a private student loan as it was to get a $500,000 subprime mortgage. There’s a lot of nonrecourse student loan debt out there. And private lenders are free to raise interest rates.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 14:52:07

Over $800 BILLION in “nonrecourse student loan debt out there.”

$800. Billion.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 16:45:32

I think all student loans are “recourse”. You can’t bail on them.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-09-19 18:04:25

That’s right. Not even with a BK.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-19 18:30:59

well they can always leave America…..and chances are some will.

Another moral dilemma…..do we stick people with these loans forever…lots of jobs you have to have a BA just to apply, even though some 6 month tech school would be more then enough to do the job.

I don’t know….They shouldn’t get off scott-free, so maybe being on welfare is a good middle ground.

I think kids today got a raw deal with the sky high tuition, and most employers bought into the more education on paper is a good thing, plus hiring dumb little chicky poos to scan the resumes…and toss out the competent ones who just had work experience and no degrees to hang on the wall

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 19:23:48

You’re right. They can never be discharged. Only paid back.

I just cut and pasted without correction what REhobbyist had written.

But the main point is the size and scope of that debt. And there is NO WAY it will ever be all repaid.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 19:26:01

“I think kids today got a raw deal with the sky high tuition, and most employers bought into the more education on paper is a good thing, plus hiring dumb little chicky poos to scan the resumes…and toss out the competent ones who just had work experience and no degrees to hang on the wall”

+1

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2010-09-19 15:15:22

Yesterday I found my old paperwork showing my paid off NDSL and GSL loans. I borrowed all of 10,500 for law school, and declined to borrow more for 3L. Graduated 1993. I had thought it was about 10k but wasn’t sure.

It seemed like 100k to me back then…

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Comment by slb
2010-09-19 17:24:26

The new lawyers I see routinely have 6 figure student loan debt and this has been true for several years. Lately, I’m seeing a lot of recent grad ‘volunteers’ because they can’t find work. Not sure how they pay the bills, I assume someone else does. I managed 4 years of college and 3 of law school by working summers, clerking and living very frugally. Total owed upon graduation in ‘81 $3000.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Red Beach
2010-09-19 07:39:51

Dug out Operation Mindcrime last night. How come nobody makes concept albums anymore?

That would be sweet if someone made a concept album about a Florida Realtor, say from the year 2003 - 2012.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-19 08:19:09

Green Day has done 2 concept albums in a row and I’d say 21st Century Breakdown is about the dystopia expected after an economic crash w/songs about rising anger (Christian’s Inferno…I got the rejection letter in the mail and it’s already ripped to shreds), riots (Murder City and Horseshoes and Handgrenades), a communications black out (The Static Age) and the post backlash return to sanity. (21 Guns…yeah and ya’all thought that was just an anti-war song.)

American Idiot is an album of America’s teenagers realizing they’ve been raised to believe one giant lie.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 09:13:36

I read… well.. listened to the audiobook.. an anthology of economic wisdom.. A wide variety of authors who, for one reason or another made a lot of money or had great influence in the financial markets over the last 150 years or so. Mostly excepts from people’s written works.

One guy who made the big time explained his very successful strategy for predicting market movements.

He started out in the music biz.. was a musician himself.. and through his studies noticed that pop music accurately depicts society’s current mood. He expanded that to include fashion.. things like the length of womens’ skirts. He extended it much, much further..

And by considering these various factors, he deduced future market trends.. became one of the wall street gurus.. made lots of successful predictions along with lots of money, and had people hanging on his every word.

If audio books weren’t so difficult to search, I’d find that chapter and get his name and the name of the book he wrote.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 15:06:21

Ralph Rotnem’s hemline indicator - From History’s Hidden Engine

Does anyone have any defensible explanation of a possible causal mechanism, or is this simply a spurious correlation (assuming there is a correlation)?

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 15:44:33

Near the end of that vid, they say a name.. Kretcher? Something like that..

dang.. i read the anthology like a year ago.. and this guy was only a small chapter.

I Winrar audio books I’ve already listened to for storage in huge single files.. and then put them on any of about ten external drives laying around here. Gotta be hundreds of books is total.
I’d have to get lucky to find it even if I wanted to spend the time.

 
 
 
Comment by Red Beach
2010-09-19 11:40:24

“Green Day has done 2 concept albums”

True, but can we agree they aren’t as articulate and expressive as others? I mean, three chords and some teenage angst songs. Mindcrime is fairly complicated.

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-09-19 16:32:24

Mayhem and madness on the way?

If you revolt with guns against the tyrant you will be chased down fast.

http://www.shotspotter.com/

Big brother is a step ahead of the revolutionaries with guns. It will take a monkey wrench gang to bring down socialism, not guns.

Maybe it will be better to just lug your 500 oz of gold with you onto a small plane to Belize from Yuma when Atlas shrugs in America.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 17:07:23

when Atlas shrugs in America.

Atlas might shrug but it won’t be because the “moochers” are taking Atlas’s money.

Rather, Atlas might shrug when Atlas already HAS ALL the money.

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Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2010-09-19 22:27:22

Who is watching the watchers?

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Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-09-19 08:24:16

I always always more partial to the Empire album myself.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-09-19 09:05:27

Don’t really care about concept albums myself, but don’t have any problem with them if they have good songs on them. QR has some of the best ever written in that genre, IMO.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-19 09:27:47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS7SrhYTZjc

Not like today Wussie rock musicians that can’t even figure out what a guitar solo is all about.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-19 08:38:55

An e-mail exchange from my cousin and me. We have both owned silver and gold for a long,long,long time. Just a little Ins.

Me~”If I have learned only one thing in life, it is that any market or system that can be manipulated will be, done by some of the so called “good” in “your” best interest folks. Money/wealth/cash/, etc… controls the world, period. Always has, always will. A thousand more laws can be written, and a sharp person will find a way to use them to their advantage”.

“I gave up thinking that anything is going to change, vote for whoever you want to, they are basically all the same, power hungry egotists. Best thing to do IMO is try and grab what you can while you can, and screw the system as much as possible without breaking the law and going to jail”.

“There’s and old song called “tree top flyer”(it is about a drug/pot smuggler) makes a whole lot of since to me, in that you do your level best to see that the government gets the very least possible. I loath government far more than wall street, but that’s just me”.

Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:21 AM
Subject: $6,000 silver

Yes, it’s a stretch, but there are some good points made here. BTW, I’ve just read the latest COT reports and it seems JPM is increasing its short position now–not trying to cover. Perhaps they are shorting more in order to drive the price down to cover…I have no idea. I do know they have rigged the silver market for years. JPM has the encouragement and permission of those in charge–The Fed and private central banks to do illegally collude to suppress silver prices. (Congress is definitely not in charge).

$6,000 Silver and ONE BANK
Bix Weir

http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/94.cfm

The silver markets are rigged. Every day. Every trade. Every option. Every derivative. The silver markets have been rigged since the early 1970’s when Alan Greenspan introduced computer market trading systems to the world beginning the long term commodity market rigging operation.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-19 11:49:02

$6,000 silver would make that pretty set of sterling flatware I’m using for everyday on the boat worth a lot more than the vessel. I guess I could do with service for four.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-09-19 13:51:25

$6000 silver? Not going to happen, unless Bernanke’s confetti greenbacks make EVERYTHING hyperinflationary (a distinct possibility). Too many babas in India would come forward with their silver coins and bangles and bracelets, and back down the price would go.

But $50 is pretty much assured. I would love to see JPM’s silver shorts blow up in their greedy rodent-like visages. It’s a dangerous game they’re playing.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 16:02:45

$6000 silver? Not going to happen, unless Bernanke’s confetti greenb I sell mine…

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-09-19 14:25:17

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2010/08/jpm-commodities-head-to-troops-dont.html

WMBZ,

Back in August, Blythe Masters, inventor of the CDO and head of JPM’s commodities trading desk, sent a “don’t panic” memo to her underlings. This included a reference to JPM’s “rookie error” in betting the wrong way on coal. My guess is, that error is dwarfed by the much greater blunder of their massive naked silver shorts, while the price of silver rises inexorably higher.

JPM has always been able to rig the PM markets, due to their collusion with the Fed and slumbering regulators, but this time the game may be up. Seeing JPM’s short positions implode would be beautiful to behold.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-19 08:57:13

This Country Just Can’t Deal with Reality Any More
As Election Day 2010 approaches, the consequences of the nation’s three-decade-old decoupling from reality are becoming painfully obvious.
Consortium News / By Robert Parry

As Election Day 2010 approaches – as the United States wallows in the swamps of war, recession and environmental degradation – the consequences of the nation’s three-decade-old decoupling from reality are becoming painfully obvious.

Yet, despite the danger, the nation can’t seem to move in a positive direction, as if the suctioning effect of endless spin, half-truths and lies holds the populace in place, a force that grows ever more powerful like quicksand sucking the country deeper into the muck – to waist deep, then neck deep.

Trapped in the mud, millions of Americans are complaining about their loss of economic status, their sense of powerlessness, their nation’s decline. But instead of examining how the country stumbled into this morass, many still choose not to face reality.

Instead of seeking paths to the firmer ground of a reality-based world, people from different parts of the political spectrum have decided to embrace unreality even more, either cynically as a way to delegitimize a political opponent or because they’ve simply become addicted to the crazy.

http://www.alternet.org/story/148206/this_country_just_can%27t_deal_with_reality_any_more

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-19 13:18:24

I’m hoping that the majority of the country is somewhere between the two extremes of believing that we have unlimited government resources to take care of everyone vs we have to get rid of our government.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 15:00:30

They are, but this does not serve the PTB interests.

Polarization and fighting among the “have nots” is the name of the game so they can keep on looting and plundering. So they promote the extremes and let human nature take care of the rest.

It’s a very ancient and reliable technique… until the backlash.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-09-19 15:05:34

Most people will simply take the average of the opinions of everyone around them. They do this under the pretense of being independent-minded and avoiding “extreme” positions, but in reality they are just showing herd behavior– cowardice and laziness.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 14:57:27

We didn’t “stumble” into anything. It was premeditated by the bankstas.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-19 08:59:23

Home Sales, Goods Orders Probably Rose ~ Bloomberg
Home Sales in U.S. Probably Rose in Sign Real Estate Market Is Stabilizing

Home sales probably increased in August, a sign the U.S. real estate market is stabilizing after the expiration of a tax credit caused demand to plunge, economists said before reports this week.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-19 10:16:57

DId home sales unexpectedly probably rise or was the probable rise expected. Its really so confusing.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-09-19 13:19:25

LOL pressboard, you are on a roll today!

;->

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 10:34:59

It’ll keep on “stabilizing” all the way from here down to the bottom in three or so years from now.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 15:06:03

“Home sales PROBABLY increased in August”

In other words, bullcrap, useless reporting.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-19 09:01:32

The chicoms need to do mo consume’n…

China Must Spur Consumption to Meet Global Challenges, Bank Adviser Says

China confronts a challenging international environment and must boost domestic consumption, said Li Daokui , an academic adviser to the People’s Bank of China, at a financial forum in Beijing today.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-09-19 09:12:34

I went house and neighborhood hunting yesterday, and every person I met owned 4-6 rentals for “cash flow” and thought next year So Ca would be in a real estate recovery. When you mention analytics you get the “this neighborhood is going up, after all, it’s local”… All of them thought we’ve bottomed. What am I missing? I must be a jaded buyer. :)

The mailman seems to be the real estate expert around this neighborhood. Nothing like the “phone game”.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 11:18:09

“The mailman seems to be the real estate expert around this neighborhood.”

I guess we ran out of shoe-shine boys at some point between 1929 and the present?

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 15:07:52

We did. Around 1970s.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 15:12:15

What are you missing?

A serious reaming? I wouldn’t say you’re “missing” anything at all.

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-09-19 09:41:08

Dems to voters: You may hate us, but GOP is worse
AP

WASHINGTON — With just six weeks to avoid a possible election catastrophe, Democrats are trying to limit the damage with a closing argument that’s more plea than platform: We know you voters are furious with us, but just let us explain why the Republicans would be worse.

The strategy requires an autumn influx of voters willing to view the election as a choice between two imperfect parties — and imperfect candidates on each ballot line — rather than as a chance to slap the Washington establishment that the public seems to dislike so deeply.

But the Democrats admit the Republicans have a big emotional advantage with voters who are fed up with high unemployment, soaring deficits and what many see as an arrogant Congress and administration that rammed a revolutionary health care plan down their throats.

If voters keep burning with the throw-the-bums-out fever that animated so many primaries, Democrats would be likely to lose more than 40 House seats, costing them the majority and positioning Republicans to block virtually any Obama initiatives in the next two years. Losing the Senate majority, which would require a 10-seat Republican gain, is less likely.

Democratic candidates want to convince these voters that no matter how much they hate the status quo, they would be worse off under a Republican Party that hasn’t learned from its mistakes and is lurching ever harder to the right.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-09-19 10:17:54

While all this R&D bickering continues and nobody addresses and is willing to implement real solutions (if there are some left), I’ll stay a Political Atheist and watch the theatrics. Back and forth is just burning up precious time. They both sink.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-09-19 10:19:30

sink s/b stink -typo

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-19 11:42:11

“Sink” was good enough, as in “holed” and “unsalvagable”. Changing the colors on the mast back and forth, just one more time, will not change the fact that the timbers are little more than worm wood.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-09-19 10:21:40

Dems to voters: You stepped in a turd, but the other turd is the really bad one.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-09-19 15:01:56

Our end is the cleaner end.

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 10:48:12

..We know you voters are furious with us, but just let us explain why the Republicans would be worse…

That’s not such a bad thing..

I rue the day when Democrats are confident enough to run campaigns based on their true ideology.

For them to do that that means we’ve reached the point where a majority of us want what they are selling.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-09-19 11:54:11

Sadly that could happen, even though a former True Believer like Fidel C. is having a change of heart.

 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-09-19 10:08:30

Christine O’Donnell: “I Dabbled Into Witchcraft”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECxQUi_pr0

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 10:17:11

Witchcraft is all fun and games until someone puts a hex on you.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 15:14:28

:lol:

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-09-19 11:00:35

I really hope she doesn’t win the Delaware senate seat because she’s clearly a crazy nut job which is why I think Palin endorsed her.

Wiki mentions Christine had numerous one night stands during her bout with drugs and alcohol in college. It’ll be interesting to see her sex partners show up and tell their stories.

Check her out in this video. Nut Job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTYtu4lSqfU

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-19 13:18:10

Well gee whiz…how many of us have never had one night stands while under the influence of a little stimulus?

Well at least she sounds human….

Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-09-19 13:56:23

Well at least she sounds human….>/i>

Rightttt. Have you seen the videos from her Anti-Masturbation Campaign?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzHcqcXo_NA

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 16:10:39

Rightttt. Have you seen the videos from her Anti-Masturbation Campaign?

Yes…I think they’re hot…

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-09-19 16:56:35

Those people are (ahem) whacked!. I don’t know who is crazier: Nancy Pelosi or the Bible thumpers.

 
Comment by Chris
2010-09-20 01:58:52

The story on masturbation has been refuted. She says that sexual behavior is a private matter and has for years. Read the link on her Wikipedia page.

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-09-20 07:36:36

But look at the video in the link above. That’s her in the mid 90s. So now she refutes that video? How about her stance on abortion - it’s still 13th century Augustine.

 
 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-19 11:40:31

Witchcraft now?

This “woman” is much like the societal rejects who desperately seek and cling to any type of power they can get their hands on…. even if its wrong.

It seems like Christie O’Donnell’s life is much like these societal rejects. Aimless, out of control and powerless who are seek control, power and purpose by whatever means necessary.

Comment by butters
2010-09-19 12:01:29

I wouldn’t vote for her. But I am not sure why she’s any worse than Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Hilary Clinton or the Maine twins? They are all witches, she would fit right in with them.

Comment by exeter
2010-09-19 12:05:51

Sure you would…… if you were in delaware.

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Comment by butters
2010-09-19 12:20:23

No I would not. 2008 was the last election I voted. I am not voting anymore even Ron Paul is on the ballot.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-09-19 13:21:23

Good idea.;)

 
 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-09-19 16:59:13

Like my post above, the Christian Right viewpoints on sex is so hilarious and 13th century, they are no less nutty than Nutty Nancy, Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson, Al Scharpton, Bahney Fwank, and the other cast of clowns of the socialist party.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-09-19 13:58:09

People who crave power are not the sort of people who should be entrusted with it.

I was thrilled to see the RINO Castle get the heave-ho, but the tea party needs to be a lot more judicious in who they put forward as candidates. Replacing a RINO with a whack job isn’t much of an upgrade. And endorsements by frauds like Sara Palin and the hucksters of the so-called religious right should be a red flag.

Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-09-19 17:01:06

I recently read with horror a couple of days ago the religious right is starting to take over the Tea Party. I think the Glenn Beck / Sara Palin rally a few weeks ago in Washington was the catalyst. It’s the beginning of the end of the real libertarian movement and back to the same old flatulent Republican Party for the Tea Party.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 17:09:56

It’s the beginning of the end of the real libertarian movement and back to the same old flatulent Republican Party for the Tea Party.

Good. Real Libertarians have no business cavorting with those nutballs anyway.

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-09-19 17:18:36

I cannot imagine ever being proud to have voted for a candidate of the mainstream Republican or Democrat party who actually won the election. On the other hand the awful feeling for voting for the lesser of two evils who wins and actually does worse than you expected is a bigger magnitude.

There is no way I would vote for a Republican this fall. All signs are beginning to show they are the same old song - they talk mostly about cutting taxes (oddly not once did I hear them talk about cutting spending except repealing the Obamacare) and just before the election their nutty religion monster starts to be revealed.

Here’s what will happen if they take over the House. No major spending cuts will occur. The Bush tax cuts will only be extended two more years then expire. New social conservative laws will go into effect, particularly against mutual adult consensual activity in the guise of stopping “child traficking” and the Democrat Senate will okay and and Obama will sign it all in because the feminist left sides with the bible thumpers on stopping adult consensual activity.

This goes on at the state level. Janet Napolitano, who happens to have shorter hair than most women, when as Democrat governor, asked the Arizona legislature for tougher laws against prostitution in Arizona about five years ago. Those laws were signed in gleefully by a coalition of Bible thumpers and feminist nazis.

Less freedom more fiction talk that they want smaller government.

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-09-19 17:19:48

Well I never trusted the Tea Party movement from the beginning for its ability to keep the religious nuts from taking control.

 
 
 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2010-09-19 23:38:52

I think she was really good in ‘Scent of a Woman’.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 10:27:01

Here is an enticement for Ben to come back to San Diego soon:

San Diego breweries score big at Great American Beer Festival
Peter Rowe
Saturday, September 18, 2010 at 3:00 p.m.

Pizza Port Carlsbad was named large brewpub of the year, as San Diego County breweries turned in a record performance at the Great American Beer Festival in Denver.

The Carlsbad member of the Port empire took seven of the 15 medals awarded local operations. This was the second consecutive year that Carlsbad Pizza Port was named the nation’s top brewpub.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-09-19 16:58:32

+18.97 on the great beer!

Speaking of which I’ve never been to San Diego. Road trip time?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 10:33:52

“Steady reductions” = persistently negative first derivative = ongoing price declines

Home price reductions hold steady in San Diego

By Jennifer Davies
Thursday, September 16, 2010 at 12:02 p.m.

While homeowners are still slashing prices, the number and size of those reductions in San Diego are smaller than the national average, says a new report by Trulia.com, a real estate website.

As of Sept. 1, 23 percent of all homes for sale in San Diego had seen a price reduction, unchanged from a month ago but up from September 2009 when 20 percent of homes had their price reduced. Nationally, 26 percent of all homes had their offering price cut.

The average percentage of reductions in San Diego was 8 percent, which is 2 percent lower than the national average.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 10:44:20

Given the existence of a signed mortgage contract, isn’t the question of whether to walk away from a mortgage a household business decision between a homeowner and his lender rather than a moral issue?

Most oppose walking away from mortgage

By Jennifer Davies
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 at 2:59 p.m.

A majority of Americans believe it is “unacceptable” for homeowners to stop paying mortgage payments and walk away from their homes, says a Pew Research Center survey.

Of the 2,967 adults surveyed during the second half of May, 59 percent said they believed it was wrong for a homeowner to stop making mortgage payments and surrender their home to a lender. Still, 19 percent said it was OK to walk away while another 17 percent said it depended on the homeowner’s circumstances.

The acceptable reasons for walking away were: not enough money to meet expenses (22 percent); just enough to meet basic expenses (25 percent); meet expenses with a little left over (19 percent); or live comfortably (14 percent).

Of those surveyed, 21 percent said their mortgages were more than the value of the house, while 48 percent said their home had lost some of its value.

Those whose home value had declined were more likely to think walking away was an acceptable option compared to those whose homes had not lost value (20 percent vs. 14 percent). A quarter of all renters (25 percent) said it was acceptable to stop making mortgage payments.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 12:24:54

we talk about this a lot, but not enough, imo.

answer me this..

If it’s OK for the private sector to deal with a loan the way a business does, is it also OK for the us to treat people the way business treats employees?

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-09-19 14:24:06

Corporate law, by limiting liability for owners, has taken away most of the moral issues involved in business dealings. It is acceptable and routine for corporations to welch on their obligations, and concepts of individual integrity and reputation play no part in these decisions.

Given the dominance of corporations in the economy, it is not a surprise that their amorality and lack of responsibility has spilled over into society at large. What is amazing is how many people still do have a sense of honor about their personal obligations.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 15:00:16

Without limited liability, owning just one $10 share in some company would expose your entire fortune to risk.. Everything you own.

Nobody would buy shares.

And nobody would own a car or a washing machine or any number of other things which require a huge initial investment to manufacture, because the chunk of money to build that industry would never exist.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 15:50:42

Most people understand “force majeure”, but that’s no excuse for malfeasance.

And it’s the large scale malfeasance that isn’t being properly punished nor prevented.

Even the stupidest and laziest know double standards when they see it. So if it’s good for the goose…

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 16:15:19

Without limited liability, owning just one $10 share in some company would expose your entire fortune to risk.. Everything you own.

Nobody would buy shares.

I think he’s making a broader and more important point than your accurate but less important specifics.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 16:33:17

i’m not talking about force majeure..

You own one share, and are therefore a company owner.
Some employee leaves a valve open and kills 5,000 people.

You, Mr Company owner, could have prevented this by properly training your employees or by making sure appropriate safeguards were enacted.

You, along with all other share holders get sued, and a jury awards the plaintiffs 10 billion dollars.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-09-19 17:13:43

Yes. Without corporate law, investors would be personally responsible and so would have to take an active interest in learning about and managing the companies they fund. You would not have any of this nonsense about high frequency trading, capital allocation algorithms, etc. You would invest in a business because you actually want to own a stake in it and help it grow over a period of years.

It is true that non-corporate businesses are more limited in size than corporations, and may not be able to reach the same economies of scale in manufacturing. But these factors are far outweighed by the absolute social and economic disaster which corporate law has caused.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 17:59:06

The simplest, most obvious, and easiest way to get be free of some troublesome behavior is to simply destroy whatever or whoever is doing it.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 18:14:02

“…simply destroy whatever or whoever is doing it.”

Worked like a charm for the subprime lending sector…

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 18:47:25

..Worked like a charm for the subprime lending sector…

and best of all, no innocent bystanders were hurt..

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 19:29:49

With one share, you don’t OWN anything. :lol:

And shareholders lost control decades ago. The BODs control everything. And many directors are also directors on OTHER BODs.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 20:24:17

I scoffed whenever someone spoke seriously of ADD. I didn’t believe such a thing really existed.

ah well.. not the first time I’ve been wrong..

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 15:45:52

+ a gazillion!

“What is amazing is how many people still do have a sense of honor about their personal obligations.”

Seems like 1 out a of hundred, but still, that’s more than I expect. It still means we’re screwed, though.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 16:16:26

Seems like 1 out a of hundred, but still, that’s more than I expect.

I would say the majority of Americans are honorable.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 16:48:00

Humans in general have a hard time with honorability. It’s not a natural trait… not an instinct.
I think it’s one of those moral guides we invented to make life in organized societies more tolerable. A sense of honor is almost a religious thing.

P.S. Rowling used the word “honorability” in the Harry Potter books so I can use it too if i want.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 19:32:14

“I would say the majority of Americans are honorable.”

Where are they? I have yet to meet that majority. And I have met literally thousands of people in my life.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 10:49:18

This is old, but I can’t resist a post suggesting that the “savvy” under-30 home buyers are back on the prowl.

Savvy couple on the way to buying home

Consultation gives newlyweds confidence in their saving abilities

By Melanie Stevens, SPECIAL TO THE UNION-TRIBUNE,
Sunday, April 25, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.

Newlyweds Briana and Alex Palacio are renters in North Park now, but their offer on a home in Chula Vista has been approved in time to qualify for the $8,000 homebuyer tax credit. The Palacios said their financial consultation helped them make the offer. 

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-19 20:41:52

Oh they look so White…..Married, nesting, babies….

And when she gets pregnant later this year, lets see how much extra $$$ they have left.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 10:51:37

What drives the stock market higher against the headwinds of a never-ending barrage of worse-than-expected data releases?

Higher Close Even As Consumer Sentiment Drops
Friday September 17, 2010 - 17:37 PM EDT

Despite a drop in consumer sentiment, the markets closed modestly higher with the Dow rising 13 points to 10,607. Nasdaq gained 12 points to 2315.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-09-19 13:47:51

The PPT needs a several hundred point cushion, so that even if there’s a plunge in October, the Dow will still stay above 10K for the elections.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 15:52:06

Is this a trick question? :lol:

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 10:56:35

Too late to claim a 2009 home purchase date in order to qualify for $8K in stimulus?

IRS bungling some homebuyer tax-credit claims

By Kenneth R. Harney
Saturday, September 18, 2010

The federal homebuyer tax credit programs have been widely praised for stimulating real estate sales but reviled by critics who see them as a multibillion-dollar waste of the government’s money.

Out of about 1.77 million credit filings during 2009, auditors identified 73,119 individual returns from taxpayers who received credits and whose account records at the IRS had incorrect — or no — purchase dates. Among the findings:

– 59,802 recipients who purchased their homes in 2009 were incorrectly recorded by the IRS as having purchased during 2008, or no year was identified.

– 9,122 credit recipients bought their homes during 2008, but the IRS recorded the purchases as occurring in 2009. This could result in potential tax revenue losses of nearly $31 million, auditors estimated, because those individuals might not be asked to repay the homebuyer credit over 15 years even though their 2008 purchase date requires them to do so.

– 4,195 recipients’ claim forms had no purchase date stated or the purchase occurred prior to 2008. “These claims should not have been processed,” auditors said.

Beyond these claims, a total of 514,987 tax credit requests contained purchase dates that “cannot be verified” because the data was not captured by IRS computers.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 11:01:45

We’re holding out for the $25K homebuyer tax credit, no strings attached.

Homebuyer tax credit has glitch
By SHANNON BEHNKEN
Published: September 19, 2010

TAMPA - The federal homebuyer tax credit did its job to boost the real estate market, but many involved - from buyers to the Internal Revenue Service - have run into problems with confusing wording and stipulations.

The result: Hundreds of thousands who’ve already filed for the credit will have to give the money back.

More than 2.6 million eligible for the credit have bought homes since July 2008. They’ve received $19 billion in tax breaks.

But it turns out that nearly half of those who received the money for the credit, claimed on their 2009 tax returns, will have to return it, according to an audit from the U.S. Treasury inspector general for tax administration.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-09-19 16:56:29

I’m just waiting for the $250K drop.

That would be 2013 or 2014. I’m not in a much of a hurry either way.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 17:05:25

How can you be so confident about the timing of these things? I was thinking about buying some studio space next year — part of a house to live in which would help bring the sticker price down to earth, through the magic of the full stimulus writeoff of business investment — but now I am thinking maybe I should buy more fiddle than I need and trade down in 2013-14 for downpayment money. There’s never a better time to buy expensive fiddles than when orchestras are shuttering their operations due to a lack of funding.

Decisions, decisions…

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 11:04:58

Do dead people really qualify for the $8K first-time home buyer tax credit? I can certainly understanding how processing those could create quite an IRS backlog.

Posted on Sun, Sep. 19, 2010
At IRS, backlog for home buyers’ tax credit
By Alan J. Heavens

Inquirer Real Estate Writer
The IRS continues to have trouble handling claims for home buyer tax credits, a Treasury Department audit shows.

The audit by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, completed Aug. 16, said some taxpayers not entitled to the credit received it and others who were supposed to get it did not.

A previous audit completed in June found that thousands of taxpayers - including prison inmates serving life sentences - fraudulently claimed a total of $134 million in tax credits, and that the IRS missed them all.

The IRS has tightened procedures since the June audit to stem the flow, the inspector general said.

The audit found that though $10.1 million in credits were claimed by 1,326 taxpayers the Social Security Administration identified as dead
, the IRS succeeded in blocking 528 of those from receiving the more than $4 million they claimed for the credit.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 11:16:35

So the neighbors across the street yesterday had their driveway arrayed with junk-laden folding tables and are at it again today in what must be their fifth garage sale of the year. I can’t believe they never run out of used crap to try to palm off on their neighbors! It almost makes me wonder if they are running some kind of fencing operation.

Comment by Red Beach
2010-09-19 11:48:49

I feel for you. The last place we rented had an old lady across the street and she had yard sales every weekend. I think that’s the only cash flow she had. It drove me nuts and we constantly had people parking and trashing our lawn.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-09-19 16:00:38

I have heard cities trying to limit the number of yard sales a homeowner can have / year.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 16:17:46

I have heard cities trying to limit the number of yard sales a homeowner can have / year.

Yard sales are socialistic.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 17:07:08

They probably screw up the comps, due to providing the impression that trailer trash lives in the ‘hood.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-09-19 11:57:37

Is it mostly stuff like cameras, jewelry, watches and electronics? If not, then it’s just their own accumulated junk.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 11:25:39

Was out with my sons yesterday driving around Del Mar (high-end coastal area of SD just north of La Jolla). Unlike our area, Rancho Bernardo, where the RE market seems moribund, we saw many “For Sale” and “Open House” signs along the main thoroughfare. I suggested that it might be fun to visit a couple of open houses, but my oldest son objected, saying it would make him sad. I asked why, and he expressed concern that the sellers would soon join the ranks of the homeless. I am not sure how often his concern is warranted; I would hope most of those finding themselves in the position of having to currently sell a home in Del Mar will soon join the ranks of the renters, rather than the homeless, but who knows? (Cue in FPSS to wish these forced sellers the worst possible transition…)

Comment by packman
2010-09-19 20:25:44

Anecdotally - I’m seeing a lot more for sale signs around me here as well, over the past two months or so.

(Hmmm - so according to Firefox and to dictionary.com - anecdotally isn’t a word. Well - I hereby declare it a word. It should be so, dangit.)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-19 12:22:43

Drove past a new development near one of my sisters yesterday, place has been clear cut, has 6-7 houses in it, a real-a-tor had a BBQ grill set up with a small tent and lots of deflating balloons. Sign on the road read, come ‘tour’ our homes and enjoy a hot dog while looking at our “hot” deals. Place is a cookie cutter POS. They did have what appeared to be one hot dog eater on site, I’m sure it was a local just dinning and dashing. I would have stopped if they had hamburgers/steaks & beer. These real-a-tors need to get their $hit together.

Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 17:19:27

Geez, even cheapie Fry’s Electronics gives away free hotdogs….

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 17:23:51

Perhaps there are laws in SC against giving away free beer without some kind of vendor’s license?

I’m sure that realtors know how to milk a Schedule C really well. They could have a pony keg for weekend open houses, then take it home and finish it off during the week, all tax deductable.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-09-19 12:26:20

Why be angry with Christine O’Donnell?
Pat Buchanan blasts Rove, Krauthammer, and other conservatives for trashing the Delaware Republican nominee for U.S. Senate

“To the Republican establishment, tea party people are field hands. Their labors are to be recognized and rewarded, but they are to stay off the porch and not presume to sit at the master’s table.

“And what O’Donnell did, with her amazing victory, is to imperil that establishment’s return to power. That is why these Republicans went ballistic.” TEA Party & GOP

I keep hearing that Christine O’Donnell is not smart enough to ably occupy a U.S. Senate seat. She doesn’t know Washington protocol, she’s not up to speed on all those big world and national issues that senators must face every day, she has no real experience in the craft of big-time politics, etc., etc. Besides…Sarah Palin and S.C. Sen. Jim DeMint supported her! Ergo - the Democrat will win.

The U.S. Constitution never said the states had to send power-hungry career-bent politicians to the Senate, although those are the kind of people naturally attracted to the job. The people of Delaware appear to be aiming in a different direction.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-09-19 14:03:18

Rove and Krauthhammer are not “conservatives.” They’re neo-cons whose fantasies about installing democracies at the point of American bayonets have been a strategic and human disaster for this country.

While I admire Pat Buchanan, Ms. O’Donnell is a loon, pure & simple, who has no business in the US Senate.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 15:57:04

+1

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 16:18:56

Ms. O’Donnell is a loon, pure & simple, who has no business in the US Senate.

Yea, well don’t judge a book by it’s content.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-09-19 19:36:18

Then what’s Barbara Boxer, or for that matter Maxine Waters, doing there?

 
 
 
Comment by SUGuy
2010-09-19 12:36:44

Onondaga County’s sales tax formula hits towns hard

Salina Town Supervisor Mark Nicotra paid $239 in county property taxes this year on his modest, split-level home in the town’s Lyncourt section. Next year, that bill would more than double to $510 under the budget proposed by Onondaga County Executive Joanie Mahoney last week.

“It’s certainly distressing to see that,” he said when a reporter broke the news to him.

He won’t be the only distressed taxpayer in the county next year. County taxes on most homes in Syracuse’s suburbs would rise sharply — some, as in Salina, doubling or nearly doubling — if Mahoney’s proposed $1.19 billion spending plan is adopted by county lawmakers.

And since many homes are worth more than Nicotra’s $85,000 residence, the impact would be much greater on them. For example, a home in Clay worth $180,000 would see its county tax bill jump from $570 to $1,088.

“For the general public, it’s going to be a surprise,” Nicotra said.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/09/onondaga_countys_sales_tax_for.html

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-19 14:47:39

The media always writes about outrageous tax increase proposals so when the increase is only 30% of the floated figures the constituents accept it quietly, even if those increases in most states would cause rioting in the street.

Comment by SUGuy
2010-09-19 16:04:36

Syracuse has stupid, greedy and needy population. Then we have the scumbags realtors who feed on wanna be high end home owners. I see plenty of high end homes that got sold in the last couple of years and are back on the market. It seems like some people make foolish decisions then can’t hang on to the property. If this tax proposal goes thru it will be the kiss of death of high end homes in Onondaga County and I fully expect Madison County to follow suite.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-09-19 19:38:30

Wait a minute! Posters here have been telling us how outrageously high upstate New York’s property taxes are. $1,088 per year on a house assessed at $180K seems pretty reasonable to me.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-19 21:05:08

That’s because that figure does not include school taxes which are separate and always higher than county taxes. House I looked up a few days ago: $3000ish county taxes/$5000ish school taxes. If you’re in the village tack on $1500 more. That’s $9500 and that’s about what my landlord pays on my deteriorating rental.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-09-19 21:30:57

Have you seen the ginormous new construction going up on Caz’s East Lake Road. Looks like they’re trying to outdo the home 2 doors down.

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Comment by evildoc
2010-09-20 08:19:04

evildoc’s three-bed 2-bath 1400sf apartment in Liverpool (Syracuse) with all utilities included (even air conditioning) sees no rent change this year, holding at $895/month. That’s < 1 shift take home pay at hospital. Meanwhile the $30k “millionaires” continue to line up to be fleeced, buying houses they are poorly able to afford, never mind the huge costs beyond the simple mortgage payment, what with taxes and expenses.

It’s so nice to save so much each month. Travel is easy. Eating out not a stress.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-19 13:34:50

http://www.shellypalmermedia.com/2010/09/17/from-the-industrial-age-to-the-information-age-kicking-and-screaming/

Blog - Friday September 17, 2010 - Add Comment
From The Industrial Age To The Information Age Kicking And Screaming

The economic crisis of 2007/2008 is universally blamed for the recession of 2009/2010. Today, when describing our current economic conditions, pundits and politicians alike cite job creation as the only way back. The unemployment rate is exceptionally high, but it fails to reflect an unfortunate reality: Yes, the average ~9.7 percent unemployment number is much higher than it should be, but — this is not a homogenously distributed statistic. In some areas, unemployment is tipping the scales above 40 percent. And, to make matters worse (as if that were possible) underemployment, which cannot truly be calculated, is at an all time high.

It is easy to understand how we are affected by underemployment. You can use yourself as a focus group of one. Are you making more money now than you were in 2007? Are you spending your money the same way you spent it in 2005? Doubtful on both counts.

When you add in the effect of the thrift paradox (where people hoard cash and save to help themselves, but ultimately destroy the economy that empowers their livelihood) we find ourselves in a troublesome place with opportunistic politicians (and pundits) offering sound bite solutions to a hugely complex problem.

Here’s the thing. I keep hearing people talk about jobs. But I don’t hear anyone talking about the root cause of our economic issues. And, as we all know, if you ask the wrong questions, you are guaranteed to get the wrong answers.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 15:32:54

..The economic crisis of 2007/2008 is universally blamed for the recession of 2009/2010…??

Says who?

And, as we all know, if you ask the wrong questions, you are guaranteed to get the wrong answers…

Starting with a false premise is not exactly the path to enlightenment either.

“is universally blamed” .. “as we all know”.. salesman’s rhetoric.

Comment by packman
2010-09-19 20:30:09

The economic crisis of 2007/2008 is universally blamed for the recession of 2009/2010

Yeah, well technically perhaps. But that’s kind of like saying “the sinking of the Titanic is to blame for the death of 1,517 people”. It in no way actually indicates the root cause of the disaster.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-19 22:03:17

My objection was more about the use of the word “universally”..

It takes a pair to make that kinda claim.

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Comment by salinasron
2010-09-19 15:43:43

“When you add in the effect of the thrift paradox (where people hoard cash and save to help themselves, but ultimately destroy the economy that empowers their livelihood) we find ourselves in a troublesome place with opportunistic politicians (and pundits) offering sound bite solutions to a hugely complex problem.”

Are they all hoarding cash or could it be that they bought things on the house ATM and thus cannibalized future sales. I for one just don’t need to buy the things that would stimulate the economy. On par I only buy a car about every 10 yrs. I’m currently a happy renter. With interest rates what they are I’d just a soon stock PM’s in a safety deposit box.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-09-19 16:08:42

What tripe. Utter, stupid, bullcrap. Just ask the several million programmers, techs and PC factory, engineers, architects, accountants, editors, and designers, etc., how that “information age” thing is working.

Or better yet, ask the Chindos who now have those jobs instead of us.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 16:23:52

What tripe. Utter, stupid, bullcrap. Just ask the several million programmers, techs and PC factory, engineers, architects, accountants, editors, and designers, etc., how that “information age” thing is working.

You’re missing an important point. Having foreigners do those kinds of jobs frees Americans to do more important things.

Comment by JackRussell
2010-09-19 17:30:29

Like working at WalMart or McDonalds?

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Comment by DennisN
2010-09-19 18:01:29

Like inventing clever new kinds of financial derivatives?

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-09-19 18:41:15

You should click the link for more…..

We send kids to school to learn reading, writing and arithmetic. The curriculum and teaching methodologies are virtually unchanged since my great grandparents attended school. It is unacceptable to have analog teachers and digital students … unacceptable to have analog parents and digital kids … unacceptable to have analog managers and digital workers and, absolutely unacceptable to have an analog aristocracy and a digital proletariat.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-09-19 21:28:39

Unacceptable…heck…it’s inconceivable!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-19 18:11:52

Percentage of survey respondents expressing confidence in housing as an investment (Fannie Mae survey)

Dec 2003 83%
Jan 2010 70%
Jul 2010 67%

Don’t buy until this percentage dips to well below 50%!

News Hub: A Dimmer View of Home Ownership

Sept. 16, 2010

The American dream of owning a home has lost some of its allure after years of falling home prices and owners facing financial ruin, a new survey by Fannie Mae shows. Nick Timiraos discusses.

 
Comment by clark
2010-09-19 20:52:54

I wonder why so many here are so against yard sales?
They’re not socialistic, they’re about the only free market capitalistic thing left that any income bracket can participate in.
I suspect it’s the smidgen of anarchy involved, the inability to control it that some people don’t like.
I doubt there would be the same complaints if it were a concert benefiting a persons favorite cause, or some such upper class to do.
They’re a great way to meet people, interact with your neighbors and make some extra money while doing it. Young people can learn the in’s and out’s of good business practices, the value of things and money, and improve social skills while thinking on their feet, some things which every level of the income scale could use some improvement on.
And yes, some cities curb property rights and declare only three yard sales are allowed per year, the wrongness of that is easy to see if you replace the phrase yard sale with birthday party or BBQ.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-09-19 23:09:25

I wonder why so many here are so against yard sales?
They’re not socialistic,

Well, I was joking. I don’t think yard sales are socialistic and I don’t think foreigners should do “jobs Americans won’t do.”

It was jest to illustrate the imbecility of those positions.

 
 
Comment by clark
2010-09-19 23:34:14

Minus ten points to me, I didn’t pick up on the jest.

the imbecility of those positions… quite a few of those around, that’s for sure.

Lunatics to the Left, Lunatics to the Right, and Not a Drop to Drink

“…The United States is not a happy country.”

 
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