Every day is a great day to be alive, renter or not.
I’ve heard all my life of people complaning about growing old. Considering the alternative, growing old isn’t all that bad. But then I’ve never heard any valid reports about how it is on “the other side”.
Here is a report: Heaven is great. Mortgage rates are “close to zero” and the large dream bouses keep coming. You can’t fail, no matter what you do because someone with great power always has your back. The big yachts, italian sportscars, and the parties are just amazing. Heaven is great, and its good to be a bankster.
Yeah, it all sounds great, but I’d rather keep my soul.
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Comment by Jerry
2010-09-25 10:37:02
And keep buying gold and silver. The honest money!
Comment by Carlos4
2010-09-25 12:58:47
Thank you Aladinsane!
Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-09-25 16:26:40
Aladinsane seems to have been right about the gold and silver, though. How much has it risen since he exited? Al least 30 % maybe more. I think he was unfairly hounded from this board. Just my opinion.
Comment by ahansen
2010-09-25 22:19:59
Last,
Yep. The Ladster left when Au was around 790 (down briefly from around 850 with the post-Tarp oil speculation, iirc,) and he WAS unfairly bullied from the board– not that he was intimidated, merely that exasperated, he gave up on us. His posts brought us valuable information in all manner of subjects, a voice (and perspective,) now lost to us. And we are diminished because of it.
Ironically, his hysterically funny, but foul-mouthed Moriarity is also (mostly,) gone from us as well.
Lessons learned, folks. Play nice, okay? We’re big kids now. We can afford to take the time to be civil.
Miss your book recommendations and CA history lessons, Lad….
Comment by TheBlackSwan
2010-09-28 18:25:36
Is there a way to see some of these posts by AladinSane ?
My curiosity is piqued as I used to go by that alias in Silicon Investor. Another poster thought we were the same lads, I am a Canuck :O) I have a feeling that we may have had similar sentiments and ironically chosen the same name.. He must have been a Bowie fan too :O)
“I’ve heard all my life of people complaning about growing old. Considering the alternative, growing old isn’t all that bad. But then I’ve never heard any valid reports about how it is on “the other side”.
It is highly over-rated from my tour. A doc said that I was thoroughly dead from drowning as a kid.
I am not sure if the “other side” recognized me, then kicked me out or I was afraid that I’d miss supper and I came back willingly because I was hungry.
The FREE pet gopher, who I named Eddie and was gonna be my friend is…MIA in the Housing War.
The very responsible neighbor that is watching the house until I move in trapped and captured him. This guy has been mowing the yard, emptying the basement dehumidifier and running the A/C on low…but I don’t think this kind fellow follows the Geneva Convention with the neigborhood terrorist gophers.
My HBB flag is at 1/2 mast today…Good luck on the other side Eddie!
Speaking of being a renter…I am starting to see that this area, where I expect to be employed for a very long time, is not going to be a place to buy for a very long time (not necessarily matching the previously mentioned “very long time”). I’m just not interested in paying close to $400K for a one bedroom condo nor am I interested in moving to an area that brings my commute up to an hour or moving into a hip cool place with high ceilings and zero floor space.
That being said, I am just about ready to place an order for quite a bit of very nice living room furniture. The last time I got this impulse, I bought my bedroom set and I have *never* regretted it. I had just finished paying off my student loans so my cash flow had improved enormously. I bought the stuff from an independent furniture company that makes all its products in Vermont. A few weeks ago, I requested a new catalog. I got it and started thinking hard.
My living room furniture is sad. A Jennifer Convertibles sofa that is old enough to vote. Most of the rest is IKEA. It is functional, but I certainly have always considered it somewhat temporary. I have gone well beyond being able to move with a van and a bunch of friends so getting nice stuff doesn’t change my mobility by much. I’ve looked for replacements on Craig’s List but to be very fair I can’t stand most of the furniture that people want to sell. My tastes just don’t match up with the trends of the last 5 to 10 years. And there is the bed bug thing too…
So, what does a renter do? My answer is to get the stuff I want, keeping in mind that I am in an apartment and I need to keep the arrangement flexible enough to fit in a different place should I move. To me that means a sofa (not a sectional or a whole set) and no “wall system” though I might imitate one by getting something for a TV and components and flanking it with two bookcases. I will be able to pay for it out of savings and replace those savings with the excess cash flow (take home pay less the amount I put in checking to pay for rent and all other expenses) in about 4 months.
So, what does the peanut gallery think? I won’t replace most of the bookcases. There are too many and they are so tightly packed together against walls in the dining area that they are really not visible. If I ever own, I’d probably have shelves installed. As an extra bonus, the place is running a substantial sale right now as they are trying to fill up the factory capacity between now and the end of the year. Yes, the owner is cutting profit to be able to keep his employees working. This place also uses its own employees for everything as near as I can tell - even deliveries so any problems can be addressed on the spot.
They sent me free tickets to a home show for this weekend, so I wouldn’t even have to take a road trip to Philly to look at fabric swatches and wood finishes. Hmm….
I had the 40 year old Captain’s bench reupholstered this spring, and replaced the matching but missing Navigator’s seat. I haven’t regretted it one little bit. So, I’m in no position to give an unbiased opinion on your impulses. Only to say that your story has a hint of spending today on the sure hope of tomorrow’s income.
I find it hard to say since I have been out of work before, but I am not really worried about tomorrow’s income. While a proposal was floated this week to make federal workers take 10 non-consecutive days of unpaid leave next year, it is a) unlikely to pass and b) wouldn’t bother me much if it did pass. My reviews at work are great. I’ve been given more and more responsibility over the years. And I have background that almost no one else in my department has and it has become more important in the years I have been there. I had to brief my boss’ boss’ boss’ boss on something just this week to help her get ready for a speech.
As for financials, my rent about 17% of my gross pay and includes parking, heat, water/sewer and electricity. And the total outlay for the furniture would be less than 6% of my liquid savings. I have tried to find a rational, not fear based reason for not doing this, and I can’t find it. I think it simply comes down to “do I want it.”
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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-25 07:59:46
You will always want stuff!
I think it does not matter what % of your cash you spend on a gift to yourself, rather what your cash reserve target is and whether this spending is surplus to that reserve. Just my opinion. The solution to too much money is easy.
You could also consider spreading out the endorphin rush by buying one thing at a time, take your time rather than order up a truckload all at once.
The way I put things into perspective is to consider that it took me 40 years to save this money, so if I spend 6% of it right now, that is trading a couple of years of blood, sweat and taxes for that thing.
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-09-25 08:08:48
“And I have background that almost no one else in my department has and it has become more important in the years I have been there.”
I like the way you think, polly.
Yes, knowledge is valuable, and it is valuable in direct proportion to how needed it is, how common it is, and how easily it can be replaced.
Supply and demand applies equally well to intangibles such as knowledge.
Glad to hear that you have this degree of security.
I say buy the furniture if you think the satisfaction it will give you outweighs the time it will take to earn it. In other words, would you happily retire four months later to pay for it if that meant you could enjoy its use from now until then?
Comment by polly
2010-09-25 08:27:45
Thank you, Prime. That is the way of looking at it that I hadn’t figured out yet. This is the sort of stuff I would expect to own for decades since I don’t do “trends” in stuff like furniture. I would retire 4 months later to have that satisfaction for that many years. Like I said, I have never regretted the bedroom furniture and I have had it since ‘96, I think.
I’m of the camp that your home/living environment makes a huge impact on one’s general level of happiness. Sure, you can be happy living in a craphole with no furniture, but one generally is happier when they like their surroundings.
For that reason, I think that money spent on a slightly nicer place, or nicer furniture is generally worth it. But of course it depends on your savings, income, etc.
I spent a lot of money on a bedroom set several years back. Sure, as a single guy I’d be fine with just a metal bed frame and a cheap night stand. But honestly, I LIKE my bed…it makes me a little happier each night when I go to bed and appreciate my furniture.
That said, I only bought the bed and nightstands. I couldn’t justify getting new dressers as well, for how much the items in this set cost. And it was a good compromise, I think.
So I’m with Prime:
I say buy the furniture if you think the satisfaction it will give you outweighs the time it will take to earn it.
Comment by polly
2010-09-25 10:30:24
Blue Skye,
I hear you, but I really don’t think I get an endorphin rush from shopping. I know it is a real problem for a lot of people, but I just don’t see it as my problem. I’m more likely to freak out when I contemplate buying stuff. Getting to the point of wanting something enough to get beyond that is very unusual.
Comment by polly
2010-09-25 11:06:04
Oh, and for what it is worth, I have not been saving for 40 years. I couldn’t read 40 years ago. 20 years ago, I was still in school. 15 years ago I had only just finished paying off student loans. So 6% is not anything like several years of savings. And I have other savings that are not liquid cash.
Should I be thinking of this in relation to my total net worth instead? I don’t think so. That is retirement money. I don’t think of it as remotely relevant to a decision about current spending.
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-25 11:54:40
Then you should get to it!
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-25 17:53:49
Polly — I can totally sympathize. “Affordable housing” policy is serving to keep desirable coastal areas propped up on a permanently high plateau. It makes sense, as this is where one is likely to find Congressmen home owners, and it would not be in their self-interest to allow the value of their own investmentf homes to drop to levels supported by fundamentals.
I’m with you on this. We’ve been renting and I’ve finally bought decent furniture for the family room even though I kept thinking I’d wait till we bought. Still haven’t updated the bedroom furniture. You might as well make your place a comfortable home, even if it is rented. This bubble has really been the pits for those of us who want to be responsible with money.
BTW, what is the name of the furniture co. in Vermont? I have a nice, fairly recent, kitchen table and chairs from solid maple, made in Vermont. Really nice quality and it felt good to buy made in the USA, which I try to do whenever I can. We also replaced dishes a few years ago with Fiesta Ware, didn’t think I’d like it that much but wanted USA made to eat off of, now we love all the bright colors.
“You might as well make your place a comfortable home, even if it is rented.”
We provided our landlords with a free paint job this summer for similar reasons. I keep remembering the words of a colleague at work: ‘Possession is 90 percent of the law.’
My wife and I had been watching a very, very nice piece of custom furniture in a shop in Carmel. It was priced around $5200 for months. Just this week we went into check on it and it was now priced at $7600. It seems the new strategy is to mark it up and then give a discount when asked.
Trulia has shown lately where a couple of houses have shown an uptick in the asking price while 99% of the houses in the area keep dropping. Lot’s of property here now in the $120/sq.ft range. A house just went up for sale at $255K where one like it in 2008 went for $649K. It won’t be long before the central coast starts dropping as the economy holds its current path.
I have actually watched the prices at this place off and on for a while. I have not noticed any sharp up ticks. Prices are higher than when I bought my bedroom set in the 90’s, but not unexpectedly so. And I am willing to pay something to know for a fact that I am not dealing with overseas construction.
And, just curious, how can you watch a piece of “custom” furniture in a shop? Doesn’t custom mean that you get to choose the fabric or finish or something like that? How is it custom if it is sitting in the shop.
However, it is a good point. There are some industries where it makes no sense at all to buy unless it is during one of the nearly constant sales. In furniture, it used to be mostly August and February. Seems to be almost any Monday holiday gets a three week long “event.”
This is a carved wooden table, nice for a bedroom setting with a marble top. It is similar to a drum table in design but oval in shape. The chairs are on the end and pull out, but looking at it you wouldn’t know the chairs are there. The ‘up’ is a soft leather. American made and can be custom ordered for top and chair ‘up’.
I read an on-line chat with a designer in the DC area and she…um…annoyed off a lot of people by saying that she always avoids sectionals. She said that people never sit in the “corner” and so it made more sense to buy two sofas/sofa plus love seat/sofa plus chair and an end table to fit in the same space. The end table can hold a lamp, phone or other items that wouldn’t make sense sitting on the sofa and you aren’t really losing a place to sit. I don’t know that she was right as “never” is a very strong word, but she did have something of a point.
I don’t know. I think they have a trunk sale in March (mud season in Vermont) but that is just for existing pieces and I’m not sure if they offer delivery for those items. There will certainly be other sales in the future.
I’m at least going to go to the show and talk to whover is there, see what they say and look at the display, check out the fabrics I might want on a sofa. I might want to go to a show room anyway to see more pieces in person. I doubt they will have everything I am cosidering on display.
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Comment by jane
2010-09-25 14:34:30
POLLY! I am also a Pompy aficionado! The Spring Tent Sale is over Memorial Day Weekend in East Thetford, VT. You wanna drive up with me and take a look-see? I’m also in the NOVA housing purgatory.
Comment by polly
2010-09-25 16:40:12
Ahh, Tent Sale. And May, not March. Sigh. It is gorgeous stuff.
Comment by polly
2010-09-25 16:43:53
Oh…road trip next spring? Maybe. Remind me closer to the event. I don’t think I would wait to buy stuff from the tent sale, but it must be amazing for the locals.
There’s a small chance you’re buying this stuff now just to feel good. To test that, buy some nice, top quality personal thing you’ve been wanting. See if the desire for new furniture is dulled somewhat.
It is a good idea, but there are relatively few things I want.
I need a new computer, but there is no reason to get it until the holiday season sales. Plus I will have time to do the set up and file transfers at the end of the year. I’m not lusting after an ipod touch or an ipad. I’m sure I would enjoy a 4g phone occasionally, but not enough to take on a monthly expense I don’t currently have (I use a prepaid phone at about $100 a year). My car is functioning without a/c but other than that is just fine. Clothes and shoes are not that exciting. I don’t need more kitchen stuff. I want a larger TV eventually (but I’m not quite ready to take the plunge there as I expect that doing a set up to watch content over the internet is still getting easier).
Seriously, the next thing I really want to buy for myself other than furniture is a particular concert ticket - I’ll do that, but it won’t make me want the furniture less. I want my personal space to be nicer and I want it to be something I will still love 10 years from now.
But keep the questions and suggestions coming people. This helps quite a bit.
You bring up an interesting issue (all of your posts and topics are well thought out and enjoyable) that has been on my mind of late as well.
Firstly, my vote is that you buy yourself the furniture.
Second, Part of what we have been discussing on HBB since foreever ago is the constant pull and tug between consumption spending and fiscal prudence. To me it is far too easy to give in to the urges to spend especially when there is a huge marketing system doing everything it can to help us rationalize spending. I could go into the myraid reasons why I think it has come to this, but that is a discussion for another day. It’s the decision making process that interests me today. In your post you inferred that because housing prices in your locale have not yet marched downward far enough you were considering taking some of the money having been putting away for a down payment and buying quality furniture that will give you many years of use and enjoyment.
To me your decision logic is sound because, and I am projecting here, you may have been postponing a furniture purchase until after you had bought a house at a more reasonable price. Since that event does not appear to be on the near horizon you calculated when you could pay yourself back. And then you put this information on the broader table here.
Now contrast with the millions of bad decisions folks made to buy beyond their means. I find it hard to call these choices spur of the moment, but it seems like it based on the complete lack if due diligence nor fiscal understanding that the purchase was simply not affordable. If they looked at the numbers for even 10 minutes the fact that it did not work had to jump off of the page at them. And yet they went forward with it and contributed to one of the largest economic calamities in modern times.
What is the difference between you, and your decision process, and those of the FBs? Are you just a smarter person than the FB? Are you genetically different? Or is it something else? What separates those who can discern between sustenance spending and destructive self indulgance? Why is the line between ‘need’ and ‘want’ blurred for some and clear to others?
Comment by polly
2010-09-25 16:22:48
oc-ed,
What an interesting post. Yes, that is similar to my decision making process. I am at a point where the mortgage I would be comfortable with is easily the number that limits what I would buy more than the downpayment is (plus still having enough cash in reserve afterwards). I don’t see buying in this area yet and I’m not sure I ever will.
People tend to buy furniture when they move to a new place. Well, I went from seeing this apartment to sleeping in it in less than three weeks - not enough time to buy furniture from a business that makes everything to order. I’m sure I’ll move again someday, but I don’t know when and I don’t know if the next move will be to a place I own, so the calculation to wait until moving into a permanent space to buy quality furniture seems silly. The furniture will last decades. Why not buy it while I still have decades to enjoy it? Especially now that spending the money won’t keep me from buying a place if the whole world turns upside down next year and the market crashes in the places I would like to live.
As for why do I do all this careful considering when others don’t? I could speculate on any number of causes. It could be in born. It could be that I remember so clearly my mother wearing vinyl shoes ($2.99 at Bradlees) because she was trying to make Dad’s salary keep the rest of us presentable. It could be that I freaked out a bit when I had student loans more than three times what my parents paid for the house I grew up in. It could be that two bouts of being unemployed got me to thinking that $4 for a can of Endust was a big expenditure and I’ve never gotten over it. I just don’t know. I have always been a saver. Maybe some of it is because commercials rarely make me want stuff. Even if there is one that I like, I often don’t remember what the product is. Oh, and I expect a little of it is just being fairly instinctive at math. The cost of stuff and what you waste paying interest just hits me in the face. A lot of people don’t get that sort of feedback from their brains.
The reason your post piqued my interest is because I find myself in a similar position as you. I have been watching the housing market for years and my area has dropped a bit, but there is still a ways to go before I would test the waters. And now that my son is in middle school I have to consider the possibility that the prices will continue to be propped up for enough time that it just would not be worth taking on a mortgage here in CA when I may be able to move to somewhere where prices are half the cost here. Plus I am an old rascal and time is my enemy. A 30 year would not be wise at this stage. A 15 year fits the end game much better.
But it is the delay that has me looking at taking some of the money I have saved and, like you, upgrading some of the items in my house sooner rather than later. I have intentionally avoided doing that because my focus was saving for a down payment when the prices came down. What I did not anticipate was how doggone long the right side of the peaked chart would take to get down to my range. I have needed a couch for a few years, but just threw a slip cover on it and replaced some of the pillows, but I am seriously considering replacing it now, or soon. I consider that a ‘need’ at this point rather than a ‘want’. Time can change many things and in my case time equals additional wear and tear - especially with a kid going from 6 to 12. I could pay myself back in 2 months for a very nice couch that should last years.
As far as the why we, if I may group us so, decide this way I believe it is a combination of nature and nurture. We start out with abilities for analysis and mathematics and then life adds in caution and prudence. Another thing is that for many people life is lived on credit. Many folks do not make a lot, nor get chunks of money in bonuses and all of their big ticket items are put on the charge card and payed off over time. The danger is when the debit is not bounded by income and payment is not budgeted. I know people who have all of their credit cards maxed out and have overleveraged themselves into a garage majhal. Some live in fear of any event that will rock the boat, because they know how at risk they are. Others choose to remain completely blind to the danger. De Nile is a river in Egypt.
Polly….if you cant afford to by some nice furniture, we’re doomed here in flyover country. You’ve worked hard for your income and youre allowed to exchange it for something that you’d like to have, thats tangible, and, most likely, will never get any cheaper. Do it for those of us who cant afford it!
Well-made furniture that you like is worth the expense, especially if you plan to use it often. Spending a fortune on dining room furniture (a la the 1950s-60s were wont to do) is a waste of money if no one will ever use it.
I wouldn’t spend a bunch on dining room furniture since I am so happy with what I have already. Table and chairs that my great aunts got my parents for their wedding almost 50 years ago. Done on a much smaller scale than most current stuff so it fits in the dining area even with the walls lined with books.
I ran into the mers thing way back and posted some comments about it. IMO, it’s another story the media runs for public consumption. I’m seeing that system foreclose on houses here every week. Like the gmac reports this week; here in N AZ gmac is repo’ing houses all over the place.
The fascination looks something like this; ‘these guys were so sloppy, they don’t have a right to foreclose - you’re gonna get to keep that house forever!’ But if the bank doesn’t have title, neither does the FB. RE contract law is set up to establish clear title, so it may take a little longer, but if somebody took the money and isn’t making payments, they still better get some boxes. It makes a good media story, but that’s about it.
“but if somebody took the money and isn’t making payments, they still better get some boxes. It makes a good media story, but that’s about it.”
Exactly.
This is what I tried to tell my friend in Cali when he found out about MERS . He stopped making payments for about 2 years and told me he would get a free house.
When I pointed out to him that the house did not build itself, he would never address my skepticism of his “plan” to get a free house.
One of his main arguments in regards to state and counties not getting their fees for recording titles…
Things take on a life of their own. Fraud? Someone will have to explain that to me. Was the purchase money transferred? Did the borrower stop making payments?
I’m sure it’s a big mess. But the way it gets kicked around, it’s made to appear to be a free ticket out of the debt. In a few cases, it may draw things out. But your friend not paying for 2 years isn’t special. Tens of thousands have done that who weren’t in mers. Heck, under the loan mod programs, some people were told to stop paying.
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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-09-25 07:18:33
Are any of these mortgage holders being forced to go back and pay transfer taxes and fees?
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-09-25 12:04:07
“….free ticket out of debt…..”
Like you say, nobody is going to get a free house out of this. It will mean employment for the people that have to go back and clean up the paperwork mess.
The only way someone MAY get a “free house”, is if it costs more to go back and process the paperwork correctly than the property is worth. Not many places around like that.
There is nothing fraudulent about sloppy paperwork processing. Now, some of the attempts to backdate assignments after the foreclosure has already been filed could potentially be construed as fraudulent.
But the system itself? No.
The right way for them to clean up the paperwork after the fact on any given property is to cancel any foreclosure that is in process; clean up the assignments with _current_ dates, signatures, and notary seals; re-start the foreclosure on that property.
What we are seeing in the news is that instead of cleaning up the mistakes the right way, some suspect firms are curring corners to save $$$.
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Comment by In Montana
2010-09-25 08:56:50
I thought I read here yesterday that the problem was failure to properly record deeds, thinking MERS was sufficient.
MERS may be a fraud, but you have to determine who is the defrauded party. The homeowner isn’t being defrauded. But the investor type who bought MBS may have been. His claim to the collateral backed by the MBS is clouded by the improper actions of the MERS. He bought what was purported to be “A” ranked securities which may in fact be “B” or lower ranked securities. Certainly his liquidity may have taken a huge hit.
The homeowner clearly cannot attempt to “quiet title” on his house if the lenders can’t produce the note. The only legal theory under which the homeowner could claim title would be adverse possession, and this would fail because he was living there under a mortgage.
We are entering into a grey legal area with MERS. We’ve seen in so-called “no recourse” states that lenders cannot sue for a deficiency judgment, even though they have the clear contractural right to those funds. In CA the code of civil procedure says you can’t file suit for the deficiency after a non-judicial (short cut) foreclosure, although presumably you could sue for a deficiency after a judicial foreclosure.
Maybe this is how the situation will resolve itself over MERS. States could refuse to accept a MERS-backed title for non-judicial foreclosures, forcing MERS-backed actions into the longer and more costly judicial foreclosures.
“The fascination looks something like this; ‘these guys were so sloppy, they don’t have a right to foreclose - you’re gonna get to keep that house forever!’ But if the bank doesn’t have title, neither does the FB. RE contract law is set up to establish clear title, so it may take a little longer, but if somebody took the money and isn’t making payments, they still better get some boxes. It makes a good media story, but that’s about it.”
“…but if somebody took the money and isn’t making payments, they still better get some boxes.”
Thanks for weighing in again with your knowledge of real estate contract law, Ben. A colleague of mine and I were having a discussion along these lines just last night: If someone stops making payments on a home financed by an unaffordable mortgage, will they get to live rent-free forever? We came to the conclusion that the vast majority of the 6-8 million U.S. homeowners in mortgage default will eventually be asked to move out, whenever the lender gets around to it. Your comment suggests there is a strong legal basis for this eventuality.
The eventual settlement in many cases has not been resolved.
However, in Jacksonville, it has been reported that cases have been delayed as long as 5 years, with the “owner-occupant” still in place, without the foreclosure proceeding. That’s a long time to put off the “inevitable”. I don’t know what the final outcome will be with all this, but I am sure it will vary State-to-state.
Here is another excerpt from the article about the system. Remember is was the big banks and Fannie /Freddie that put this crap in place:
“MERS was developed in the early 1990s by a number of financial entities, including Bank of America, Countrywide, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac, allegedly to allow consumers to pay less for mortgage loans. That did not actually happen, but what MERS did allow was the securitization and shuffling around of mortgages behind a veil of anonymity. The result was not only to cheat local governments out of their recording fees but to defeat the purpose of the recording laws, which was to guarantee purchasers clean title. Worse, MERS facilitated an explosion of predatory lending in which lenders could not be held to account because they could not be identified, either by the preyed-upon borrowers or by the investors seduced into buying bundles of worthless mortgages. As alleged in a Nevada class action called Lopez vs. Executive Trustee Services, et al.:
Before MERS, it would not have been possible for mortgages with no market value . . . to be sold at a profit or collateralized and sold as mortgage-backed securities. Before MERS, it would not have been possible for the Defendant banks and AIG to conceal from government regulators the extent of risk of financial losses those entities faced from the predatory origination of residential loans and the fraudulent re-sale and securitization of those otherwise non-marketable loans. Before MERS, the actual beneficiary of every Deed of Trust on every parcel in the United States and the State of Nevada could be readily ascertained by merely reviewing the public records at the local recorder’s office where documents reflecting any ownership interest in real property are kept….
After MERS, . . . the servicing rights were transferred after the origination of the loan to an entity so large that communication with the servicer became difficult if not impossible …. The servicer was interested in only one thing – making a profit from the foreclosure of the borrower’s residence – so that the entire predatory cycle of fraudulent origination, resale, and securitization of yet another predatory loan could occur again. This is the legacy of MERS, and the entire scheme was predicated upon the fraudulent designation of MERS as the ‘beneficiary’ under millions of deeds of trust in Nevada and other states.”
So, yes, this is a huge FRAUD. It is a designed to aide and abet those seeking to conceal what is going on with their mortgage origination and transfers.
And just for a little flavor, another tidbit from the unposted article:
California Precedent
The latest of these court decisions came down in California on May 20, 2010, in a bankruptcy case called In re Walker, Case no. 10-21656-E–11. The court held that MERS could not foreclose because it was a mere nominee; and that as a result, plaintiff Citibank could not collect on its claim. The judge opined:
Since no evidence of MERS’ ownership of the underlying note has been offered, and other courts have concluded that MERS does not own the underlying notes, this court is convinced that MERS had no interest it could transfer to Citibank. Since MERS did not own the underlying note, it could not transfer the beneficial interest of the Deed of Trust to another. Any attempt to transfer the beneficial interest of a trust deed without ownership of the underlying note is void under California law.
In support, the judge cited In Re Vargas (California Bankruptcy Court); Landmark v. Kesler (Kansas Supreme Court); LaSalle Bank v. Lamy (a New York case); and In Re Foreclosure Cases (the “Boyko” decision from Ohio Federal Court). (For more on these earlier cases, see here, here and here.) The court concluded:
Since the claimant, Citibank, has not established that it is the owner of the promissory note secured by the trust deed, Citibank is unable to assert a claim for payment in this case.
The broad impact the case could have on California foreclosures is suggested by attorney Jeff Barnes, who writes:
This opinion . . . serves as a legal basis to challenge any foreclosure in California based on a MERS assignment; to seek to void any MERS assignment of the Deed of Trust or the note to a third party for purposes of foreclosure; and should be sufficient for a borrower to not only obtain a TRO [temporary restraining order] against a Trustee’s Sale, but also a Preliminary Injunction barring any sale pending any litigation filed by the borrower challenging a foreclosure based on a MERS assignment.
While not binding on courts in other jurisdictions, the ruling could serve as persuasive precedent there as well, because the court cited non-bankruptcy cases related to the lack of authority of MERS, and because the opinion is consistent with prior rulings in Idaho and Nevada Bankruptcy courts on the same issue.
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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-25 18:01:14
‘…it has been reported that cases have been delayed as long as 5 years, with the “owner-occupant” still in place, without the foreclosure proceeding.’
By the way, so the point is not lost, my latest comment on MERS was in response to another post about foreclosures being delayed or halted. It was the opinion of the poster that the Servicers were incompetent, and there was some kind of hanky-panky with the mortgage companies holding properties off the market.
My comment was meant to bring up a very valid point that MERS cases are NOW going through the Courts and are, in fact, holding up foreclosures. They clearly cloud the title for the Mortgage holder.
Courts have ruled that MERS cannot demonstrate ownership of the mortgages, and therefore have no right to transfer the ownership to another entity, such as a bank.
This whole set -up of electronic recording vs. court-house records has created a whole new set of problems of its own. Contrarily, I am certain Sir Alan Greenspan (remember he got knighted) would claim that this is another great “Financial Innovation”.
No, Alan, Fraud is nothing new. It’s just done a lightning speed now.
Diogenes, what would it mean in California if the proceedings drag out past 5 years, since IIRC that’s when “squatter’s rights” apply?
If there’s no foreclosure within 5 years, do the folks who stayed in the house and maintained it properly now get the deed?
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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-09-26 07:47:08
Probably not. As I understand squatter’s rights, they apply to property where someone has moved in for an extended period of time, unbeknownst to the owner. They have essentially enjoyed quiet use of the property until the owner becomes aware they are sitting in his property and seeks to have them removed.
The fact that they have been involved in some form of litigation would probably preclude that outcome.
I have seen cases where title was handed over because, according to the Court, the owner sat “idly by” while the property was taken for another’s use.
In these cases, the “owners” are not standing idly by. They are trying to evict.
From personal experience, my grandmother lost 10 acres and a house to a black family in Mississippi, whom she had let rent the property for a number of years. This was many years ago. The family was on hard times and my grandmother let them slide for a number of years on the rent because they were telling her that they just didn’t have the money. Consequently, they claimed squatter’s rights and won. Lesson: No good deed goes unpunished.
So it doesn`t matter that the mortgage has not been paid for 2 years?
GMAC troubles threaten to halt foreclosure sales
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:07 p.m. Friday, Sept. 24, 2010
The revelation this week that tens of thousands of Ally Financial Inc.’s GMAC foreclosures may have flawed court documents not only has implications for some of the nation’s largest mortgage companies, it could strangle the resales of bank-owned homes.
Attorneys are warning that title insurance companies may reject foreclosed properties for fear of future challenges to the procedures used in repossessing those homes.
Already, one Boca Raton real estate attorney said she has seen title insurance refused on a foreclosed property where the case was handled by one of Florida’s massive foreclosure law firms. The firm is one of four under investigation by the state attorney general for allegedly mishandling documents in a rush to move thousands of cases through the courts.
The reason for the title insurance denial: defects in the foreclosure.
“They may say it’s a technical defect, but it’s a very important technical defect,” said Chris Immel, a foreclosure defense attorney with Royal Palm Beach-based Ice Legal, who deposed Stephan in December 2009.
But Stephan isn’t the only “robo-signer” in the industry, Immel said.
In a May deposition conducted by Ice Legal of Chase employee Beth Ann Cottrell, she acknowledged signing thousands of foreclosure documents every month without knowing details of every case.
I know a guy who has been living in a house without paying the mortgage for five years (FL). I think ten years is probably doable the way things are going.
Substantiates what I have been noticing - apartment renters are a more honest and more responsible group of people than SFH residents: People in apartments have to pay rent. Deadbeats in SFH neighborhoods are not paying rent. People in apartments CAN afford to live in them. Your next door neighbor in a SFH might be a deadbeat. I prefer living and working among honest people. Credit checks in both places. Drug tests at work. Background checks at work.
Well we were hoping to get a year of free rent since our landlords were taking up bankruptcy. We made it unscathed to the 2-month mark. But the LL called to let us know that bank wants to come in and do an assessment - so I guess the jig is up sooner rather than later.
Question, the credit union already knows how much they are owed, so why would they want to come in and assess the place?
To date there has been no notice of default, no date set for auction that we can find. For all intents and purposes the LL still owns the place until the bankruptcy kicks in and the house gets auctioned right?
We (finally) found a larger house in our neighborhood to rent. We are juggling trying to get more free rent vs moving and being secure. No rent is nice, knowing you won’t be evicted is nice too!
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:56 a.m. Thursday, Sept. 23, 2010
“The housing market is trying to recover on its own power without the home buyer tax credit,” said Lawrence Yun, chief economist for the National Association of Realtors. “Despite very attractive affordability conditions, a housing market recovery will likely be slow and gradual because of lingering economic uncertainty.”
Local Realtors say anecdotally that their September sales are on track to be some of the best all year, with a mix of buyers including those seeking second homes and first-time buyers who missed out on the tax credit but are still eager to buy.
I’m in FL and the situation is about as stable as an air mattress with four fat chicks fighting for free food stamps as it floats for the falls. Totally F-ed, in other words.
Well, he got that right. I remember John Kruk the Phillies first baseman being asked after a World Series game that left the Phillies 1 game from elimination. How do you feel about looking at a sudden death game? His reply, I didn`t know we had sudden death in baseball, but if you`re gonna have death it might as well be sudden.
Very interesting, including some of the analysis down in the comments. A few people mentioned that they expected a wave of reposessions of the cars purchased under the program because folks couldn’t afford the car payments for the new cars long term. A large wave of not too old, smaller cars entering the used market could be interesting. Caution including a carfax report and an inspection at a good AAA certified mechanic would be called for, but still interesting.
Is carfax run by carmax? I was just talking about the report that tells you whether a used car has been in a flood or accidents. I think it comes off an insurance database, so it wouldn’t help if a claim was not made, but it has to be better than no information at all - as long as you recognize that the information may not be perfect.
I saved over $7000 on my new dodge Dakota in 2003 from what dealers were charging. No haggle pricing is what you got from them in those days. I still have my truck with 140K miles, no problems and will run it another 140K. Just had my third tune up Wednesday.
My daughter needed to replace her PT Cruiser with a van/SUV because they are expecting another child. She found a Toyota fully loaded SUV from a private party but needed to sell here 2008 PT first. She went to Carmax and they bought it on the spot for $10K with no purchase necessary.
yeah.. friends of mine bought two cars from Carmax and were very happy with the deals. Steered me in that direction when I was shopping.
From what i’ve seen, Carmax is not expensive.. they just don’t sell anything that is flawed, and prices are up there where they belong.
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Comment by arizonadude
2010-09-25 10:44:11
Carmax is expensive from what ive seen.I prefer to buy cars from private sellers and avoid the dealers all together.
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-25 11:18:24
i would prefer to buy private as well.. i know enough about cars and mechanical things in general to trust my own inspection, and that’s where the good deals are.
But if i were lazy and wanted a pre-inspected, cleaned and detailed, warranteed, late model used car, and didn’t feel like haggling over price, I’d take a look at Carmax’s web page and see what’s available.
Seems like the rental car outlets, like Enterprise or Hertz, offered just about the same thing. Cars are clean and they much prefer to sell retail than dump them at the auctions.
I’ve found Enterprise Sales to be more expensive than Carmax, but maybe it’s just the years and models I’ve concentrated on.
From Zero Hedge: “the government just seized three wholesale credit unions and has launched an “unusual plan” to manage $50 billion of troubled assets inherited from failed institutions. The unions taken into conservatorship include Members United Corporate Federal Credit Union in Warrenville, Ill., Southwest Corporate Federal Credit Union of Plano, Texas, and Constitution Corporate Federal Credit Union, Wallingford, Conn., which had a total of $19.67 billion in assets as of July.
As for the funding of the new bailout program: “To help fund the rescue, the National Credit Union Administration plans to issue $30 billion to $35 billion in government-guaranteed bonds, backed by the shaky mortgage-related assets.” Once again, uncle Sam bails out those who have committed federal crime and sticks Joe Sixpack with the bill. How is it a crime? “Under federal rules, wholesale credit unions were supposed to invest only in safe, liquid assets. But some institutions chased higher returns by loading up on securities backed by subprime mortgages or other risky loans. Their portfolios were decimated by the mortgage meltdown.”And here is the punchline: “Officials said the plan won’t cost taxpayers any money.” How can one not simply laugh at the continued lies and crimes that occur each and every day, and are perpetrated by every single person in charge of this collapsing country?”
This isn’t directly housing related, but I thouht it was pretty funny.
Weak Economy is Killing Off Office Romances
http jobs aol com/articles/2010/09/22/office-romances/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl4%7Csec1_lnk1%7C173101
“In a time of massive uncertainty in the job market, there are many economic side effects. But one surprising product of a slimming job market has been the steep decline of office romances. But unlike the most likely of reasons - stress levels of workers - it’s actually because of an increase in legal complaints from third parties.
“It that seems a bit opportunistic to you, then you’d be right. It’s a tricky game of “let me get you fired before I get laid off” using whatever means are necessary. With a growth of nearly 23% in 2008, these types of complaints are starting to become more and more commonplace in the office.”
This one is very interesting. The dogs at work are watching me more than ever, IMO. The most beautiful gal at the office and I better not get friendly with each other. This is no paranoia on my part, as I explained before about another white-skinned guy who got chased out of his job there.
The only way the gal and I could make it work is a hidden rendezvous and she has to make the first move. I’m just a consultant and I have more to lose than her if found out.
Here’s my own chest-beating: I’ve been consulting at this company or its east coast HQ for over seven and a half years, which is much longer than any consultant. I’m doing something right. But my net worth is not high enough to let down my guard. I need to get to where I have $160,000 annual investment income to permanently live here in California. At that point my desired permanent rental would be Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, or Monterey!
I don’t know. I dated a girl who worked on my floor once. It was a good relationship - lasted about a year.
Of course, I moved to another job in the middle of our relationship (unrelated to her/us), so when it came to an end there wasn’t the awkwardness of still having to work together.
Comment by SUGuy
2010-09-25 10:36:27
Never fish off the company pier
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-25 18:15:39
Bill — Simple, honest suggestion:
Don’t dally at work. As your own comments suggest, those with enough pay and job security might be able to get away with it; not so much a contractor. And don’t forget the case of Hurd — he landed on his feet, but that was pretty much a given that he would; nonetheless, from the standpoint of HP, his dalliances were justification to severe ties.
“At that point my desired permanent rental would be Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, or Monterey!’
We here at Ben’s HBB can’t have you loney and wandering all alone on the foggy Monterey Pier all by yourself without any responsible adult supervision. You’d undoubtably get squished like a small lost frog by one of those big one of those big, impersonable tourist buses.
Get married Bill, you need somebody to tell you when and how high to jump.
Rest assured, that we will still be here and available to provide mental therapy and emotional support, should she ever be mean to you…for a substantial fee of course.
Mikey
I knew you were a cool guy, and I loved your advice. Bill is a legend in his own mind.
Bill- $ isn’t an aphrodisiac, it’s a tool. Why don’t you buy your sex out of your career setting, and maybe take up another sport for a conquest.
I’ve dated a man who one day flew me in a private plane for dinner. I think I was about 22. I was every impressed with the day, and still didn’t put out. I had too much self respect.
I commented on this last week, Bill. Older white men who leer at young Asian women are considered to be creepy. Take this from a formerly young half-Asian woman. Since most posters on this board are middle-aged white guys I’m probably the only one who will tell you this.
There are some things that I think everybody just kind of knows and it seems pointless to say. I assume Bill just doesn’t care, or gets a positive reaction just often enough to ignore the negative ones.
Older white men who leer at young Asian women are considered to be creepy.
I don’t get it. Are you making some kind of racial statement here?
Anyway, every woman has a different definition of sexy vs. creepy. That’s what makes life interesting. Schopenhauer said that if a man couldn’t pursue women, he would commit suicide because his life would be so boring.
REHobbyist, how about young Asian women who leer at older white men? Are they creepy as well?
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Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-09-25 17:42:32
Plus, I hardly associate at all with her at work anyway. I don’t seek her out and always have a work purpose to be whereever I am in the office building. I said before the company is mostly Asian males who would (and have done before) find excuses to get rid of a white male who shows interest in Asian females there. So I cannot even talk about her.
I don’t leer. I have seen a consultant get fired for that. It’s natural for most man (whatever age) to enjoy the pretty young women and to want them. I know you don’t like that, and most older women don’t either. But you cannot fight how a man is wired.
Besides, I don’t look so old and I can still burn up the treadmill or the lap pool.
Comment by Eddie
2010-09-24 14:28:46
Don’t look now sports fans, but Dow is within spitting distance of 11K.
12K by EOY. Still time to make some money. Or you can keep the money in a 0.0015% savings account if you prefer.
Even if you are right in your forecast, a ~10% gain by EOY is not sufficient return to justify taking the inherent risks that I currently perceive in the market.
people have been super extra careful about what they’ve bought and held in the last year or so. You gotta put the money someplace and some of it ends up in stocks.
Sure there are the traders and the news blurbs that can move the market at any time, but the foundation of the market.. the 95% that is not being traded, is as stable as can be expected under the circumstances, imo.
When you hear this much negativity, it usually means the bull market still has legs. It’s when everyone jumps in and brags that they’re all in that you’d better get out fast.
We’re a tiny minority in the big scheme of things. So out there in the world are there more PBs, or more Eddies?
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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-25 18:23:19
Out there in the world, there is generally a balance of PBs and Eddies. But the Fed is actively encouraging Eddies to believe that the stock market will only go up from here. Too much encouragement leads to unsustainable bubbles, which end with implosions which ‘nobody could have seen coming.’
Footnote: Paul Krugman said the Fed had ‘run out of bubbles.’ Apparently he didn’t realize that bubbles can be endlessly recycled (stocks, PMs, etc).
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-25 19:17:20
For all I know, Eddie lives in a cardboard box and PB is some bank manager… and that pretty girl who keeps sending me erotic photos of herself is some old man sitting on a commode.
Forest Gump went to public school, and his mother had to “persuade” the principal to get him in.
Despite criticism, a voucher program grows - and brings long-sought relief to parents
By Cara Fitzpatrick Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 11:11 p.m. Friday, Sept. 24, 2010
Kasan Holme struggled to pay attention in fourth grade last year, getting in trouble so often that his teacher exiled him to the back of the room.
He languished there for months, far from the other students. He began begging his mother to let him leave school.
This year, the Wellington 10-year-old goes to a private school that promises help for his learning disability. He’s one of a growing number of special-needs children in Florida whose parents use tax money to subsidize their private education.
Sending children with learning disabilities to private school is nothing new in most places. There are two reasons it might be unusual in a particular spot. One is that the school district has so many children that need extra help that they can efficiently hire a few full time people to provide the special education services the kids need in house. The other is that they have been completely ignoring special needs kids for a long time (letting them show up until it is legal for them to drop out) and No Child Left Behind has made that too expensive to continue.
The presence of even one or two “special needs” children in a regular classroom can seriously detract from the quality of learning for the rest of the kids, and take up an inordinate amount of the teacher’s time.
I have seen the “Special needs” label put on a lot of kids that are simply disruptive or not motivated. Very much like the healthy men I know who collect full SS disability. When a program that is put in place by government for people that need it, it is taken advantage of by many more that don`t. That is the horror I have seen.
I have too, but the overall percentage is so small it’s not enough to penalize those who do need it.
Especially compared to the biggest welfare queens, the large corporations.
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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-09-26 06:04:20
“I have too, but the overall percentage is so small it’s not enough to penalize those who do need it.”
On the percentage being so small when it comes to SS disability, food stamp program, any number of housing bailouts (landlords collecting rent not paying mortgage, lawyers who can afford to pay stop paying to get a cramdown section 8 renters for life driving new vehicles) etc. I respectfully disagree.
Can we expect the Wall Street Journal writers to soon do an expose on the Plunge Protection Team (another “group that doesn’t exist”) along the lines of this article?
BRUSSELS—Two months after Lehman Brothers collapsed in the fall of 2008, a small group of European leaders set up a secret task force—one so secret that they dubbed it “the group that doesn’t exist.”
Its mission: Devise a plan to head off a default by a country in the 16-nation euro zone.
When Greece ran into trouble a year later, the conclave, whose existence has never before been reported, had yet to agree on a strategy. In a prelude to a cantankerous public debate that would later delay Europe’s response to the euro-zone debt crisis until the eleventh hour, the task force struggled to surmount broad disagreement over whether and how the euro zone should rescue one of its own. It never found the answer.
A Wall Street Journal investigation, based on dozens of interviews with officials from around the EU, reveals that the divisions that bedeviled the task force pushed the currency union perilously close to collapse. In early May, just hours before Germany and France broke their stalemate and agreed to endorse a trillion-dollar fund to rescue troubled euro-zone members, French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde told her delegation the euro zone was on the verge of breaking apart, according to people familiar with the matter.
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Professor Bear, surely you jest. The US financial media values it’s “access” to those they report on and ad revenues from same to ever consider telling the truth about them. For that you need to go to blogs or the rare independent voices like Matt Taibi of ROLLING STONE.
Credit Unions Bailed Out U.S. Backs $30 Billion in Bonds to Stabilize Key Institutions; Subprime Legacy
By MARK MAREMONT And VICTORIA MCGRANE
Two years after the peak of the financial crisis, the federal government swooped in to stabilize a crucial part of the credit-union sector battered by losses on subprime mortgages.
Regulators announced Friday a rescue and revamping of the nation’s wholesale credit union system, underpinned by a federal guarantee valued at $30 billion or more. Wholesale credit unions don’t deal with the general public but provide essential back-office services to thousands of other credit unions across the U.S. The majority of retail credit unions are sound, but they will have to shoulder the losses through special assessments over the next decade.
Friday’s moves include the seizure of three wholesale credit unions, plus an unusual plan by government officials to manage $50 billion of troubled assets inherited from failed institutions. To help fund the rescue, the National Credit Union Administration plans to issue $30 billion to $35 billion in government-guaranteed bonds, backed by the shaky mortgage-related assets.
Officials said the plan won’t cost taxpayers any money. Still, it marks the latest intervention by the U.S. government into a financial system weakened by the real-estate bust. Bad bets on mortgage-backed securities have now killed five of the nation’s 27 wholesale credit unions since March 2009. The federal government, which now controls about 70% of the total assets at such credit unions, said the surviving institutions will be reined in so that they take fewer risks with their investments.
“Previously, we stabilized the system, and now we’re resolving the problem and reforming the system,” said Debbie Matz, chairman of the National Credit Union Administration, the U.S. agency overseeing credit unions.
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New-homes sales data show the housing market is still hurting. Kelsey Hubbard talks with Jerry Howard, CEO of the National Association of Home Builders, and WSJ/Dow Jones Newswires Reporter Dawn Wotapka about the sluggish pace of the housing recovery and whether or not more government assistance is needed.
I get the feeling momma has closed the purse, at least until after the elections, and hopefully forever.
Keep an eye on it, but RE needs to work out it’s problems on it’s own.
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — It might sound counterintuitive after the rally in stocks so far in September, not to mention in complete contradiction of the prediction of many Wall Street analysts, but the market is not betting on a U.S.or even a global recovery, for that matter.
That might sound hard to believe given that the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA 10,860, +197.84, +1.86%) is up 8.4% so far this month, the tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite (COMP 2,381, +54.14, +2.33%) is up 12.6%, and the S&P 500 index (SPX 1,149, +23.84, +2.12%) , the broad gauge of the market most used by investment professionals, is up 9.5%.
In normal circumstances, this would be the type of rally that signals investors are betting the “all clear” on stocks, given a bright outlook for economic growth and profits.
But with retail investors mostly absent from the market, as they have been for the past two years, investment powerhouses are again relying on the same old trick that helped power stocks in March 2009.
What the market is betting on is lots more liquidity coming its way.
Faced with increasing signs of economic weakness, central banks in the U.S., Japan, and the European Union are stopping plans to remove liquidity, signaling more liquidity is on the way, or already intervening.
That’s a blessing for stocks, commodities, and gold.
Given the macro-nature of the global financial and economic crisis, assets have been increasingly trading in lock-step, meaning either risk on-type of assets such as stocks and commodities when things look up, or risk-off assets such as bonds, when things look down.
Renewed central bank moves towards liquidity are a clear green light:
“This is very much a risk-on environment given the ample liquidity,” says Mary Nicola, currency strategist at BNP Paribas.
But that’s very far from the market signaling it expects the economy to recover.
This past week the Federal Reserve summed it up nicely when it said it was worried about deflation and that it stood ready to take more extraordinary measures to reflate the economy.
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Economic collapse is bound to be a fruitful subject for academic discussion over the next several decades. Viewed from that standpoint, perhaps all the various extraordinary, unprecedented intervention measures of the past two years should be viewed as a great success.
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Economists still have a lot to learn about how the recent economic and financial crisis unfolded, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke begrudgingly acknowledged Friday.
However, in spite of the failures of economists to predict the crisis or to prevent it, Bernanke largely defended his profession in a speech on Friday at an economic research institute he helped found at Princeton University. Read our full story on Bernanke’s remarks.
It was not economic theory that failed us, he said, it was economic management and engineering. Economists have workable theories about how bank runs can erupt and how they can be stopped, and theories about how misaligned incentives or moral hazard can lead to excessive risk-taking.
The crisis was mostly a failure of design, not theory, he said.
Think of Bernanke’s argument this way: If a bridge collapsed, no one would think we should re-examine the theory of gravity; they’d blame the disaster on the designer or the builder, not on Isaac Newton.
But, of course, economic science is not as developed or as precise as physics. Even if economists can explain in hindsight how it happened, or suggest remedies for crisis management, the profession still has a lot to answer for.
We were assured from the highest authority that such a crisis was impossible.
Bernanke suggested to his former colleagues at Princeton some fruitful areas for further study, such as explaining under what conditions human behavior does not fit the quaint assumptions of perfect rationality, or how asset bubbles rise and fall.
Bernanke said standard models of the economy seem to work most of the time. Most of the time, he said, “serious financial instability is not an issue.” Most of the time, cancer isn’t an issue for physicians, either.
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I’ve seen two references to cancer today (the other posted below in the article by cancer survivor Taleb). Perhaps this is the right metaphor: Our banking system has become a cancer, sucking money out of the American economy to nobody’s benefit except for the insiders on Wall Street and at the Fed, etc. Radical surgery may be necessary to rescue the system.
Economics? Economics? A Science??
I studied both Macro and Micro at UF when I was an undergrad. One of the basic tenets is man is “rational”. I laughed. Then I let the department. Too many arguments with professor. If man were ‘Rational”, then Madison Avenue would be out of business.
As I have reflected from more intellectual seers: Economics was invented to make Astrology respectable.
Ben Bernanke is an educated nincompoop. You can not depend on people to behave in ways you would expect when they are not punished for behaving badly. If people had been arrested and sent to prison for fraudulently writing bogus MBS documents, they process would have come to a rapid halt. Greed is always a motivation. One of the seven deadly sins. You can count on people to exercise little restraint when the “system” is rigged to the upside.
You don’t need an economics degree to see what motivates people.
I see no reason we couldn’t do this in the U.S. We just need to muster the collective political will to reinstate a Rule of Law in the banking system. If it means that heads have to roll at the top ranks of the Fed and the Treasury, I’m all for it.
I will vote for any political candidate who stumps on a platform of cleaning up the corrupt mess that Wall Street is.
Outside the Box
Sept. 25, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EDT The biggest losers
Commentary: Learning some hard lessons from the financial crisis
By Howard Gold
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The financial crisis that reached its most critical phase two years ago with the fall of Lehman Brothers had some big winners—in Asia, Latin America, and Scandinavia.
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The countries that have lost the most lived way beyond their means — subsidized by speculative capital or the umbrella of a strong currency (the euro) to give their citizens a lifestyle they hadn’t earned in competitive world markets. Government entitlements grew, along with complacency. Eventually, the merry-go-round stopped and the horses came crashing down.
The biggest losers came from the European periphery, whose worst basket cases — Greece, Ireland, Iceland, and so on — have become to this decade what Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico were to the 1980s and early 1990s. In fact, some of the European walking wounded already have gotten the same kinds of massive international rescue efforts their Asian and Latin American counterparts received back in the day.
It’s a stunning role reversal. “Certainly from a debt perspective, they’re in much worse shape than the emerging markets right now,” says Alexander Young, international equity strategist for Standard & Poor’s Equity Services. “They’re much closer to the ‘crisis countries’ of 10 to 20 years ago than to the emerging markets of today.” Watch video of Ed Yardeni discussing whether Europe can be saved on MoneyShow.com.
So, here’s my list of the biggest losers. Stock-market returns and data on gross domestic product played the biggest role in the rankings, but I also weighed intangibles — the “how the mighty have fallen” factor. There’s no shortage of those.
1.Iceland. Although it’s by far the smallest of the countries on my list, with a population of barely 300,000, none was more devastated by the financial crisis. A magnet for the “party-hardy” crowd, Iceland went on a financial binge, too. Its big banks had big dreams and borrowed heavily to achieve them: Debt ballooned to six or seven times gross domestic product.
When credit disappeared after Lehman fell, Iceland went into cardiac arrest. Its stock market lost 90% of its value, GDP plummeted, and a massive devaluation of its currency, the krona, drove the population’s standard of living down. Britons and others who poured their savings into Icelandic banks also lost their shirts. A criminal investigation continues.
2.Ireland. Remember the Celtic Tiger? Well, she turned out to be a pussycat with a shamrock. Ireland was the hot country of the 2000s as youth from throughout the euro zone flocked there for jobs in finance, software development, restaurants, what have you. When we visited in 2004, Dublin was bustling and full of construction cranes. The impoverished Limerick the late Frank McCourt wrote about so vividly in Angela’s Ashes became a boom town.
That was then. A property bubble burst badly, leaving Irish banks technically insolvent and the government deeply in debt — its ratio of deficit to GDP, at 14.3%, is higher than that of Greece. Policy makers moved quickly to slash spending and shore up the banks, but it wasn’t enough. On Thursday, Irish debt traded at a record 4 percentage points over the equivalent German bonds.
The Irish government pledges to cut more, but you can’t get blood from a blarney stone. Ireland’s stock market, down 36.2% a year since Lehman’s fall and 23.5% annually over the past five years, is the worst in Europe of those tracked by MSCI, Inc. GDP plunged 7.1% last year.
The worst of the worst
Biggest losers from the financial crisis*
country 2-year returns (%) 1-year returns (%) 5-year returns (%)
Ireland -36.17 -28.03 -23.49
Greece -34.81 -48.49 -14.73
Austria -24.17 -15.51 -11.75
Italy -15.38 -18.69 -8.88
Finland -14.46 -9.13 -3.26
Belgium -11.80 0.50 -8.52
Hungary -11.25 1.40 -5.98
Portugal -7.15 -14.97 -1.32
Spain -4.74 -16.97 1.66
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Credit unions are saddled with $50 billion of toxic asset-backed securities that have triggered several failures in this important corner of the U.S. financial system.
The solution, unveiled Friday, is to use a similar securitization approach that caused the problem in the first place. This time though, the securities will be backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government.
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..An ABX index tracking AAA securities backed by subprime mortgages originated in the first half of 2006 fell below 60 by March 2009, suggesting the securities were trading at 60 cents on the dollar. This index now trades just above 88, according to Markit data.
ok.. explain to me how that could happen.
Did the index change the way CDS are tracked, or have these subprime loans performed better than expected.. or what?
To my recollection, many of the ABX subprime indexes were trading below 10 by late summer 2007, by the time it was clear to anyone paying attention that the entire U.S. subprime lending industry had gone up in smoke.
“…or have these subprime loans performed better than expected.. or what?”
Have you noticed the massive unprecedented effort by federal government financial authorities (including the Fed) to prop up the value of the underlying collateral (housing prices)? I didn’t think so.
..prop up the value of the underlying collateral (housing prices)
IF prices had risen, I might agree.. but prices fell and are still falling.
If the collateral is worth steadily less and less than when the security was issued, the chances a loan will be repaid do not improve.
For a Credit Default Swap to trade higher, someone has to believe the loans have a better chance of being paid off (less chance of credit default) than they previously believed.
While the value of the collateral might affect people’s ability to repay (re-financing is difficult or easy) it doesn’t speak directly to the loan’s quality.
I think I know what’s happening. Those AAA subprime bonds are proving to really be AAA.
Remember what fried the MBS market. It wasn’t that bad loans were being written.
It was the discovery of some terrible ratings. SOME inaccurate ratings. Not all ratings were wrong, only some. Nobody could be sure of what they were buying, and everyone got spooked. The market froze up.
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as for this good-bank, bad bank thing, it just might work. The “good” credit union is free to do business and make money, eventually pays down the debt. It’s too early for taxpayers to get all worried about it.
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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-25 18:48:10
“IF prices had risen, I might agree.. but prices fell and are still falling.”
Obviously they would have fallen harder, farther and faster without intervention.
It is obvious, isn’t it Joey?
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-25 18:50:40
“Those AAA subprime bonds are proving to really be AAA.”
Totally makes sense, given the Fed’s willingness to prop up markets.
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-09-25 18:52:04
“…as for this good-bank, bad bank thing, it just might work. The “good” credit union is free to do business and make money, eventually pays down the debt. It’s too early for taxpayers to get all worried about it.”
Joey — Did you ever think of doing propaganda work for a living? You truly are a master of the art.
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-25 18:59:58
Everything and everyone gets “propped up” when the markets get propped up..
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ok.. so the Fed / government does nothing and the whole system collapses.
There are no markets.
Your ounce of gold is worth something like 4 fresh eggs and a half gallon of milk… if there’s any left by the time you get to the front of the line.
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-09-25 21:25:21
..Obviously they would have fallen harder, farther and faster without intervention.
I have no argument with that.
But unless the value of the collateral rose and now exceeds the amount owed, value ALONE does not improve the chances the loan will be repaid. (with the exception that one might more easily re-fi and thus continue to pay).
So, something else is at work; something that has nothing to do with collateral value.
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I call ‘em the way I see ‘em. People have different views.
This constant moaning about taxpayers are victims here, and taxpayers are being massacred there, when taxpayers haven’t actually lost a dime resembles propaganda as well.
The sheeple have convincingly demonstrated that while they might fume impotently about the massive Wall Street rip-offs, they will dutifully elect or re-elect the corporatist-appointed, media-annointed Republicrat political whores who make these rip-offs possible. So the TBTF banksters have a license to steal, knowing the Fed has their backs and the Republicrat politicos will provide legistlative top cover. And if the sheeple start bleating too loudly, we can always raise the hemlines on DWTS and distract them into nullity.
It should be entirely clear by now that the Fed operates above any rule of law.
If anyone disagrees with me, then please let me know what laws the Fed is required to follow; I’m sure many readers would also be interested to know how any such laws are monitored and enforced, assuming they even exist.
This article forgets to mention Ben Bernanke. I guess with him and Geithner still in power, the central bankers are fully in charge.
Larry Summers resigns The brains trust dissolves All the president’s economic principals are leaving, bar the treasury secretary
Sep 23rd 2010 | Washington, dc
Back to the ivory tower
HISTORIANS may one day label the first two years of Barack Obama’s presidency as the most activist in economic policy of post-war history. For that, credit both circumstance and the star-studded economic team Mr Obama assembled when he took office.
That team is now breaking up. On September 21st Larry Summers, the director of the National Economic Council and the president’s chief economic policy co-ordinator, said he would return to Harvard after the mid-term elections. Christina Romer, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, recently returned to Berkeley. Peter Orszag, the budget director, kicked off the exodus, leaving on July 30th. Washington loves palace intrigue but the reasons for the departures are mainly mundane: they want to get on with their lives. Only Tim Geithner, the treasury secretary, looks set to stay on, a chirpy survivor.
Many will say good riddance. Voters think the stimulus plan didn’t work. Businesses bemoan the overly academic cast of the team and the administration’s interventionist tilt on everything from union-set pay requirements in stimulus spending to the drilling moratorium following BP’s oil spill. Republicans have called for both Mr Summers and Mr Geithner to be sacked.
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Republican political strategy: Trash the economy beyond all recognition, then blame Democratic bagholders for not being able to make the sunken ship float again after just two years in office.
OBwan’s mistake: Underestimating how long it takes to right a sunken ship.
“This sucker’s going down” was certainly a prophetic statement if ever there was one, Georgie Boy.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
Let’s see. The Dems took over the House in 2006 and in May, 2001 controled the Senate or did you forget when Benedict Arnold Jeffords defected May 25, 2001. We then got Little Tim Daschle as Senate majority leader. Bush was a tool for his war cabinet and forgot domestic things. He ran his holy war to validate Bush I’s Gulf War.
In 2008, as the economy seemed to be in free-fall, pundits, politicians and the public cast about in search of the ultimate villain, the Wall Street weasel who could assume the blame for massive foreclosures, skyrocketing unemployment, and plummeting stock values. While the disaster was too big to pin on any single schemer, a handful of likely candidates quickly emerged.
Some, like Ken Lewis and Jimmy Cayne, seemed merely inattentive and inept, while others like Angelo Mozilo and Fabrice Tourre appeared to be actively involved in cheating the public. Yet, whether their position was in Wall Street or Washington, the CEOs office or the analyst’s desk, all seven of the people on our list carried some measure of the blame for the events of 2008.
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If the Obama administration appoints a corporate executive to replace Larry Summers as National Economic Council director then the White House fully deserves the thumping it will get in November.
The ostensible reason for this colossal misunderstanding of the current political situation, sourced to anonymous adminstration officials, is that the White House wants “to allay the business community’s doubts about administration policies.”
This is nonsense. …
U.S. President Barack Obama and his administration weakened the country’s economy by seeking to foster growth instead of paying down the federal debt, said Nassim Nicholas Taleb, author of “The Black Swan.”
“Obama did exactly the opposite of what should have been done,” Taleb said yesterday in Montreal in a speech as part of Canada’s Salon Speakers series. “He surrounded himself with people who exacerbated the problem. You have a person who has cancer and instead of removing the cancer, you give him tranquilizers. When you give tranquilizers to a cancer patient, they feel better but the cancer gets worse.”
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Bill
You won’t get any arguement from me that Obama has behaved like a corporatist although probably less so than GW and McCAin would have been. I would have taken over the banks and resold them with all stock holders and bond holders taking it in the shorts. I was against TARP. I think the universal health care bill is a sham, although I strongly support a public option.
I still fall into the keynsian camp as i would use gov to create jobs building infrastructure and improving the energy efficiency of this country. I’d support spending on schools. All things that make our country stronger. I support spending on prisons. I wouldn’t be opposed to tax breaks for the middle class. I’d hit the top 1% with a new tax bracket and rules that force them to pay effective tax rates over 30% instead of the 16% that the top 400 currently pay.
I’d say that paying down the debt during a financial collapse would have been worse for this country and law and order. The time to pay down the debt was when we were running or could have been running a surplus and things were good. ie over the last decade or two. Again what we have in power now are facists (Wall STreet has taken over our gov) and monitarists (The FED).
Well I think this administration talked the talk of using that money to work on the infrastructure, which would provide jobs that I admit are more meaningful. In reality the bureauracy is so corrupt that they waste far more money than they really spend on the directed projects.
For example, in Los Angeles $111 million stimulus was funded to create jobs. Only 55 jobs were created from that program. That is $2 million per job.
Keynesianism may have nearly worked in the 1930s, but it certainly cannot work in the advanced disease of fat cat bureaucracy.
We covered this many times. Most of us here firmly believed the FIRE should have to take it’s medicine, but it was BUSH that went ahead with TARP and then handed the mess to Obama. His last act of pouring gasoline on the FIRE.
If people signed a mortgage contract, they should have to honor it, plain and simple. Giving them the advantage of the same low monthly payments that renters get to enjoy along with all the rights and privileges of home ownership would be patently unfair to renters. It would also create a windfall for current owners, by artificially propping up home prices above fundamental levels, and would help keep current renters who might want to some day own a home of their own priced out of the market. I also believe his proposed policy would violate U.S. contract law, but I defer to legal eagles on that question.
Real Estate Weekly
Sept. 24, 2010, 5:27 p.m. EDT
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A recent report from the Center for Economic and Policy Research suggests a different way to address the country’s foreclosure problem: Homeowners facing foreclosure should have the right to rent their home at a fair market price.
“With roughly one in four mortgages underwater, the loan-modification plans put forth so far have done little to help homeowners facing foreclosure,” said Dean Baker, co-director of CEPR and an author of the report, in a news release. The policy would benefit millions and provide many families with housing security, Baker said.
The report compares the savings from renting in 2010 versus the cost of paying a mortgage on a home bought in 2006 or 2007, in 16 major metropolitan areas. It looks at savings both before and after taxes. View the report at the CEPR website.
“Ordinarily, the gap between owning and renting is not that large.” Baker said. “Due to the enormous run-up in house prices over the housing bubble years, however, ownership costs now vastly exceed rental costs in many of the bubble markets and homeowners in these markets have much to gain from having the opportunity to remain in a home as a renter following a foreclosure.”
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Rent is a lower cost than ownership, something many FB’s could afford, if income stays the same and prices of goods don’t rise.
The goberment as landlord would carry the cost of insurance, maintenance and take the charge for the change-over.
Wouldn’t you suppose so?
Of course it might not work out too well, but since when did that ever stop goberment from doing anything? It’s the ulterior motive that counts, not the thought.
Leave them in their homes and make them make their payments. Don’t let them off the hook! We have to help the banks and MBS holders some more. Screw the FBers.
Your comment makes sense in a stable price environment, but less so when rents are rising and purchase prices are falling (the status quo in many places). Those who bought when prices were at a peak, on a gamble that ‘real estate always goes up,’ should take their losses and move on. I personally don’t want to have to bear the (implicit) price of propping up the value of FB houses, desecrating century’s worth of contract law in the process.
Homeowners facing foreclosure should have the right to rent their home at a fair market price.
by what logic should they have that right?
in the first place you damage the business climate by abrogating a contract. everyone from that point on will have to take into consideration what might be done to them if they lend money on a mortgage.
next, you artificially prop up prices by not requiring that the home go on the market. and i’m guessing that just about nobody here wants prices propped up.
“I personally don’t want to have to bear the (implicit) price of propping up the value of FB houses,”
Me either.
I didn’t say it made sense exactly, it’s just something goberment would do.
/sarc on
As a bonus the goberment could throw in a “cash for houses” plan to reduce the housing supply, hire a bunch of demolition crews, imagine all the job creation from that?
/sarc off.
It’s the new plan, haven’t you seen the new talking points? Replace small businesses with “set up to fail in one year” businesses:
“Here you were thinking that the bad guys were crooked bankers, corrupt pols, and corporate welfare kings. Now comes Market Watch to tell you that the real problem is small business. Yes. Forget all that sentimental stuff about small businesses creating jobs or needing to be given a few breaks…
Actually, says Nutting, small businesses, once they get going, kill more jobs than they create them.”
Topic: Corporate scams and rackets GMAC Mortgage in Hot Water with the Courts. Courts in 23 states are questioning the foreclosure paperwork of the fourth largest mortgage provider in the country. by Gene DeNardo
Saturday, September 25, 2010
Twenty three states require mortgage holders to obtain a court order before foreclosure proceedings on defaulted housing loans can begin. These states require a signed and notarized affidavit by an officer of the mortgage company {or holder} in effect swearing that they have witnessed and examined loan documents that prove ownership of the mortgage note and default of payments. GMAC, the fourth largest mortgage lender in the country, has admitted that they have falsely or inadequately filled affidavits in twenty three states.
GMAC was the housing arm of General Motors. Instead of concentrating on improving the quality of their auto division and avoiding intervention by the federal government to save them from liquidation, they thought it might be a good idea to jump into the sub prime housing loan market. It wasn’t. Last year GMAC received 17 billion in funds from the Feds and re branded themselves as Ally Financial. The federal government is now the majority stockholder of Ally.
Jeffery Stephens is one of the document signers for GMAC in Pennsylvania. In a sworn court statement, he admitted to signing up to 10,000 loan documents a month. Although the courts require the documents to be thoroughly studied and verified in the presence of a notary, he admitted to barely scanning the name of the foreclosed party and a few other minor details. There is serious doubt that they were ever notarized at the same time and there is question as to whether the notarization was forged.
There are 160 hours in a four week workweek. That would give us 9600 minutes, over one signature a minute. The guy was fast. Apparently, these “robo signers” are prevalent in the industry. This may be only the tip of the iceberg.
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Published: September 22 2010 14:58 | Last updated: September 22 2010 14:58
Demand for home loans in the US fell last week, with refinancing and purchasing declining as the housing market continues to wobble.
The Mortgage Bankers Association said on Wednesday that mortgage loan volume fell by 1.4 per cent last week, dropping to its lowest level in six weeks. Purchases were off by 3.3 per cent and refinancing fell by 0.9 per cent.
Mortgage applications have fallen for three weeks running.
The Federal Reserve said on Tuesday that home construction remains “depressed” as it described a slowing economic recovery.
Interest rates on 30-year fixed rate mortgages fell to 4.44 per cent from 4.7 per cent, MBA said. The 4.43 per cent rate reached last month was the lowest in more than 30 years.
However, in spite of such low rates refinancing increased to account for 81.1 per cent of total applications, up from 80.5 per cent the week before.
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By ERIC WOLFF - ewolff@nctimes.com North County Times - Californian | Posted: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:50 pm
San Diego County house builders applied for 76 permits in August, the second fewest in 22 years, according to data from an industry group.
August permit applications fell 52.5 percent from July and 23 percent from August 2009, according to the Construction Industry Review Board, a building industry nonprofit. In February 2009, builders applied for 73 permits, the lowest such figure since the board started keeping track in 1988.
“While this might be a great time to buy a house, it’s not a great time to build a house because it’s not cost-effective,” said Matt Adams, head of government affairs for the Building Industry Association of San Diego.
Construction of apartment complexes showed some improvement, as builders applied to build 141 units of apartment buildings, way up from the 6 units applied for in August 2009. The August numbers bring the 2010 total to 985 apartments, up 26 percent from the same period in 2009.
The new numbers may reflect renewed interest in San Diego County’s apartment market. The price per unit reached $148,000 in the spring, up 26 percent from the 2008 bottom.
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“applied for”? I’d wonder how many were actually granted, and exactly who signed off on it. Then I’d investigate them for some sort of kickbacks or collusion..
Christine O’Donnell in an appearance on “Politically Correct” from 1998.
After last week’s viral video clip in which the Republican Senatorial nominee from Delaware spoke of having “dabbled into witchcraft,” Bill Maher lobbed another blast from Christine O’Donnell’s past on his show last night.
In a clip from the Oct. 15, 1998 episode of his old ABC series, “Politically Incorrect,” O’Donnell is shown saying “Evolution is a myth.”
When Maher challenged her to justify the anti-science statement, O’Donnell says, “Well, then why aren’t monkeys still evolving into humans?”
Last week Maher said that he would air more clips of O’Donnell from his old show until she agreed to come onto his HBO series, “Real Time.”
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A day after White House National Economic Council Director Larry Summers said he is leaving his post at the end of the year, a Congressman from Georgia called for his immediate resignation.
U.S. Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., on Wednesday reiterated his call for Summers and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner to step down from their posts.
“Economists say the recession officially ended in June 2009, yet we’ve continued to shed jobs and the unemployment rate has climbed in the past fifteen months of so-called recovery,” Price said in a statement. “Even the President’s economic team says they do not expect unemployment to leave the 10 percent range any time soon. Yet they stubbornly refuse to admit failure or consider better ideas to encourage hiring and investment.
“Geithner and Summers both need to resign immediately,” Price added. “The American people cannot afford one more day of the President’s failed economic strategy. It’s time to wipe the slate clean and find people who actually know what it takes to survive and thrive in the private sector.”
Price first called for Summers’ and Geithner’s resignations last month.
WASHINGTON — Herb Allison, the head of the government’s $700 billion financial bailout program, announced on Wednesday that he would resign. He is the latest in a series of departures from President Barack Obama’s economic team.
Allison, who had served as head of the bailout program since April 2009, said in a letter to colleagues at the Treasury Department that they had accomplished a great deal and helped to stabilize the financial system.
The Troubled Asset Relief Program, the formal name for the bailout program that began during President George W. Bush’s administration, has been widely criticized by the public as a rescue for wealthy bankers who took extraordinary risks.
Allison will be succeeded as head of the program by Tim Massad, 54, who will become acting assistant Treasury secretary for financial stability while the administration looks for a permanent successor.
Before joining government, Massad had been a partner for 17 years at the New York City law firm of Cravath, Swaine & Moore.
Allison’s resignation is the latest departure from the administration’s economic team, which has been under fire from Republicans in Congress and many voters. Peter Orszag, Obama’s budget director, and Christina Romer, head of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, departed in recent weeks. The White House announced Tuesday that Lawrence Summers, the president’s top economist, would leave at the end of this year.
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is the only member of Obama’s top-tier economic advisers to remain with the administration. There was speculation that Obama might turn to a corporate executive to replace Summers as a way to deflect criticism that the administration is antibusiness.
With unemployment remaining stuck at painfully high levels, Democrats are bracing for heavy losses in the upcoming congressional elections.
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This is beautiful. So long as the U.S. has a functioning fiat money press and many unemployed construction workers, it makes sense to take stock of our enduring iconic natural treasures and refurbish them for future generations.
The St. Louis Arch is set to get a facelift of sorts. A design jury in St. Louis awarded the multi-million-dollar contract to a New York design firm. Their charge — undo decades of bad infrastructure planning and transform the Arch into a world-class tourist destination. Adam Allington reports.
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Sales of new single-family homes were flat last month. And the supply of houses on the market reached a 42-year low. Reporter Alisa Roth talks with Steve Chiotakis about the latest housing numbers and whether Americans are moving away from home ownership.
This home is available in Miami, Fla. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
STEVE CHIOTAKIS: Sales of new single-family homes were flat last month. And the supply of houses on the market reached a 42-year low. Earlier this week, we heard builders were starting more new homes. But most of those were multi-family, as in apartments, not single family. Marketplace’s Alisa Roth is with us live from New York to tell us what’s going on. Good morning, Alisa.
ALISA ROTH: Good morning.
CHIOTAKIS: So what is going on in the housing market?
ROTH: Well, I hate to say this, but it’s hard to know. It’s certainly better than it was, say, last year. But it’s certainly not in great shape. I talked to Sam Chandan this morning. He’s chief economist at Real Analytics, which is a real estate research firm. He says people are still scared.
SAM CHANDAN: Americans are still seeing that the outlook for the economy is fairly weak. We’re certainly not creating jobs in a way that would allow people make the transition from renting to home ownership.
He also made the point that yes, mortgage rates are unbelievably low. But since it seems like housing prices are going to stay low for a while, too, nobody’s in a big hurry to buy.
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On 25 February 2009, Ryan O’Connell and Jerry Dorost of Citigroup’s research arm wrote an “Industry Flash” about Obama Administration banking policy:
New Treasury Stress Test Guidelines Do Not Appear Onerous
*Treasury’s plan appears relatively bank-friendly and investor-friendly — The Treasury has released guidelines for new stress tests for the largest US banks and the terms for the banks to issue convertible preferred securities to the government to address any capital shortfalls. The Treasury’s announcement indicates, in our opinion, that the US government is following a relatively bank- friendly, investor-friendly approach.
* Treasury’s goal is to increase banks’ capital — We think that several banks may need to increase their capital because of the new stress test. However, the Treasury’s goal, in our view, is to increase banks’ capital while minimizing the amount and duration of any government’s direct ownership of common stock.
* Stress scenarios do not seem onerous or draconian to us — The guidelines require the banks to estimate their potential losses under a baseline scenario and a “more adverse” scenario for a two-year period. These scenarios do not seem onerous or draconian to us; indeed, they appear fairly close to the scenarios that JP Morgan discussed this week when it announced its dividend cut. We think that most banks may be using similar assumptions in running their own stress tests.
* Emphasis on common equity — The Treasury did not set a target equity ratio and said that it was not imposing a new capital standard, while pointing out that common equity should be the “dominant” component of Tier 1 capital. We interpret this statement to mean that common equity should be at least half of Tier 1, which would indicate a ratio of tangible common equity to risk weighed assets of 3%, although it could be somewhat higher (i.e., 4%). Although the banks and regulators will discuss the stress tests, the Treasury made it clear that bank regulators would determine the amount of equity capital that banks need.
Today–nineteen months after this document was written–it is of historical interest only: none of Citigroup’s paying clients would pay a cent for the information contained in it, for nobody could in any way profitably trade today on Citigroup’s February 2009 analysis of the policies of the Geithner Treasury.
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Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, Professor Martha Focker. Now if we could only get Ben and Tim to relinquish their posts, perhaps we could get on with the work of jailing the perpetrators at Megabank, Inc, and reinstitute a rule of law in the banking system.
I can’t begin to express the depths of disdain I feel for those who perpetrated, then legitimized, this financial disaster. May they all justifiably burn in Hell.
This week’s announcement that Larry Summers will be stepping down as director of President Obama’s National Economic Council may have been most notable for the passionate reaction it prompted from his critics. “Good riddance,” wrote the Progressive’s Matthew Rothschild, adding that “Summers has a resume of disaster.”
The outpouring shouldn’t have been surprising. If nothing else, Summers, in his stints at Harvard, the World Bank and in two presidential administrations, has emerged as an accomplished lightning rod for controversy. As he prepares to decamp Washington for Harvard Yard — he’s going to be a professor — we remember the 10 most shameful moments that Larry has brought us.
10. Asking Chris Dodd to remove post-recession caps on executive pay…
9. Gambling away $1 billion of Harvard’s money…
8. Pushing for regime change in Indonesia…
7. Joking about dumping first-world waste in third-world countries…
6. Bailing out white-collar criminals…
5. Blaming the California energy crisis on excessive regulation…
4. Vehemently opposing regulation of the derivatives markets…
3. Ragging on unemployment insurance…
2. Advising Bill Clinton against signing the Kyoto Protocol…
1. Lobbying for the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act…
Serious question: Has there ever, in the course of economic history, been a more predictable ongoing crash than that of U.S. housing? If it weren’t so fascinating to watch it play out in perpetuity, I would be seriously bored by the predictability of the situation.
By Steve Goldstein, MarketWatch
Existing-home sales improve…
First, the good news on the housing front, or least not as bad news: existing-home sales rose 7.6% in August. As impressive as that percentage sounds, it comes after a 27% nosedive in July…
It’s too bad that Volcker is two years older than my old, tired, retired dad, as he may be the only man with the will and integrity to restore trust in the U.S. banking system. May God grant him strength and perseverance!
It’s high time for meaningful (as opposed to sham Dodd-Frank) financial reform. The alternative may well be a collapse of the U.S. government.
I wish Paul Volcker had a late-night show like Stephen Colbert so this speech could get the same kind of attention:
Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker scrapped a prepared speech he had planned to deliver at the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago on Thursday, and instead delivered a blistering, off-the-cuff critique leveled at nearly every corner of the financial system.
Standing at a lectern with his hands in his pockets, Volcker moved unsparingly from banks to regulators to business schools to the Fed to money-market funds during his luncheon speech.
He praised the new financial overhaul law, but said the system remained at risk because it is subject to future “judgments” of individual regulators, who he said would be relentlessly lobbied by banks and politicians to soften the rules.
“This is a plea for structural changes in markets and market regulation,” he said at one point.
Wow.
I was talking to someone recently who worked for Volcker at the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board during the financial reform bill debate, and he told me that basically, despite the meager stature of that office, there were several times during the negotiations when Volcker would slip into Washington unannounced and go from office to office in Congress to present the facts and protect his priorities in the bill. And then, bankster lobbyists would go into those same offices and the representatives, armed with actual information, would tell them, “Yeah, but Volcker said…”
The man has gravitas. And in his advanced age, he’s using it to rip the banksters a new one. Now you will never hear from these whiners that Paul Volcker is anti-business; they would rather deflect that over to Obama. But it’s Volcker, and certainly not Obama, making the most direct critiques of the crime spree they call their business practices. Here are just a couple of his observations:
Banking — Investment banks became “trading machines instead of investment banks [leading to] encroachment on the territory of commercial banks, and commercial banks encroached on the territory of others in a way that couldn’t easily be managed by the old supervisory system.”
Financial system — “The financial system is broken. We can use that term in late 2008, and I think it’s fair to still use the term unfortunately. We know that parts of it are absolutely broken, like the mortgage market which only happens to be the most important part of our capital markets [and has] become a subsidiary of the U.S. government.”
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I had lunch with Mr. Volcker once. He had gravitas even over a casual meal. In 2006 I tried to get him to reply to a few questions we on the HBB posed, but by then he was already gearing up politically and I guess didn’t want to bother replying. I should have liked to hear some of his replies.
Investment Banking
Bearish on Wall Street, Bullish on Goldman
September 24, 2010, 2:13 pm
Nelson D. Schwartz, a DealBook colleague, reports:
Reality is finally kicking in for the analysts who cover Wall Street. With less than a week left before the third quarter ends on Sept. 30, it’s clear the pickup in activity recently won’t make up for the trading drought in July and August.
So each day brings more reductions in earnings estimates for Wall Street’s goliaths, including Goldman Sachs. A week ago, analysts were looking for Goldman to earn $3.33 — as of today, the consensus is down to $3.03.
On Thursday, Richard Bove, who has been bearish on Goldman’s third quarter for a while, weighed in:
It is typical for analysts who follow brokerage stocks to wait for the very end of a quarter before they publish their final estimates for that quarter. That being the case, it is likely that in the next few days there will be a series of estimate cuts on Goldman Sachs. My estimate, established a month ago, is about $1.00 per share below consensus.
A day earlier, Michael Carrier of Deutsche Bank slashed his third quarter number for Goldman to $1.95 a share, from $3.
What’s surprising, however, is that Mr. Bove and Mr. Carrier, like many analysts, remain bullish on Goldman’s shares.
Mr. Bove rates the stock a buy, with a target price of $169. While the stock usually trades lower amid downward earnings revisions, he thinks this time might be different, “The reason is that an impressive backlog is now building in both new issues and acquistions.”
Mr. Bove added: “It appears that the first half of 2011 could be quite strong. Plus, the year-over-year operating earnings comparisons could be unusually good at that time. Investors might focus on that possibility rather than the problematic third quarter.”
Mr. Carrier is even more optimistic about Goldman’s stock, putting a $200 price target on the bank — Goldman’s stock is currently at just over $147 a share.
Goldman reports results on Oct. 19th — but expect the consensus to keep dropping as more analysts throw in the towel on the quarter, if not the stock.
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Saw this tonight, and was delighted and amazed at the number of favorite HBB topics from years gone by that were covered: moral hazard, too-big-to-fail, bailouts, etc. It is amazing how only a few short years ago, Big Hank Paulson was saying, in effect, “Just don’t call it a bailout,” and the subjects of moral hazard and too-big-to-fail were primarily limited to discussion in the blogosphere. Thanks to Oliver Stone for immortalizing this episode in financial history on the silver screen.
Now if we could just get on with the real-world version of those perp walks!
Wall Street, the sequel Goldman whacked
Egged on by hedge funds, Oliver Stone turns on Goldman Sachs
Sep 16th 2010 | New York
Dinner jackets are for wimps
TWENTY-THREE years after he first championed greed, Gordon Gekko is back. Michael Douglas reprises his role as the slick-haired financial barbarian in Oliver Stone’s “Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps”, due for release on September 24th.
Half-reformed after prison, Gekko is more anti-hero than villain this time. He is still dazzled by lucre, but also determined to give warning of the dangers of excessive leverage. The real baddies are Bretton James and the securities firm he runs, Churchill Schwartz—perhaps the least disguised fictional name ever. Executives at Goldman Sachs are said to be unamused.
James, played by Josh Brolin, is nothing like Goldman’s top brass. He wields phallic cigars, races superbikes and smashes his copy of Goya’s “Saturn Devouring His Son” on a lamp when fingered for manipulating the share price of a rival firm.
But the script is sprinkled with echoes of Goldman: Churchill Schwartz bets against markets that it makes, including subprime mortgages; its credit-default swaps are bailed out at par; and it has friends at the Treasury. An exposé of the firm, written by Jake Moore, a disillusioned prop trader and the film’s central character, begins: “The first thing you need to know about Churchill Schwartz is that it’s everywhere.” A damning Rolling Stone article on Goldman in 2009 opened with precisely those words, the name apart.
As the financial crisis unfolded, the story was reworked to cast Goldman in a more nefarious light. In the original version, the villain was a hedge-fund manager. But script advisers from the financial world persuaded Mr Stone that an investment banker would be more realistic, since it was banks and securities firms, not “alternative” money managers, that had blown up the system.
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Good morning all… It’s another great day to be alive and a renter!!!
6 years ago toDay I sold my dream house in exchange for
freedom and travel…
Every day is a great day to be alive, renter or not.
I’ve heard all my life of people complaning about growing old. Considering the alternative, growing old isn’t all that bad. But then I’ve never heard any valid reports about how it is on “the other side”.
Here is a report: Heaven is great. Mortgage rates are “close to zero” and the large dream bouses keep coming. You can’t fail, no matter what you do because someone with great power always has your back. The big yachts, italian sportscars, and the parties are just amazing. Heaven is great, and its good to be a bankster.
Yeah, it all sounds great, but I’d rather keep my soul.
And keep buying gold and silver. The honest money!
Thank you Aladinsane!
Aladinsane seems to have been right about the gold and silver, though. How much has it risen since he exited? Al least 30 % maybe more. I think he was unfairly hounded from this board. Just my opinion.
Last,
Yep. The Ladster left when Au was around 790 (down briefly from around 850 with the post-Tarp oil speculation, iirc,) and he WAS unfairly bullied from the board– not that he was intimidated, merely that exasperated, he gave up on us. His posts brought us valuable information in all manner of subjects, a voice (and perspective,) now lost to us. And we are diminished because of it.
Ironically, his hysterically funny, but foul-mouthed Moriarity is also (mostly,) gone from us as well.
Lessons learned, folks. Play nice, okay? We’re big kids now. We can afford to take the time to be civil.
Miss your book recommendations and CA history lessons, Lad….
Is there a way to see some of these posts by AladinSane ?
My curiosity is piqued as I used to go by that alias in Silicon Investor. Another poster thought we were the same lads, I am a Canuck :O) I have a feeling that we may have had similar sentiments and ironically chosen the same name.. He must have been a Bowie fan too :O)
The Black Swan once A lad insane..
“I’ve heard all my life of people complaning about growing old. Considering the alternative, growing old isn’t all that bad. But then I’ve never heard any valid reports about how it is on “the other side”.
It is highly over-rated from my tour. A doc said that I was thoroughly dead from drowning as a kid.
I am not sure if the “other side” recognized me, then kicked me out or I was afraid that I’d miss supper and I came back willingly because I was hungry.
Nice trip but I wouldn’t want to stay there.
“Live Forever …or Die in the Attempt!’
Catch-22
Oh, speaking of the “other side”…
The FREE pet gopher, who I named Eddie and was gonna be my friend is…MIA in the Housing War.
The very responsible neighbor that is watching the house until I move in trapped and captured him. This guy has been mowing the yard, emptying the basement dehumidifier and running the A/C on low…but I don’t think this kind fellow follows the Geneva Convention with the neigborhood terrorist gophers.
My HBB flag is at 1/2 mast today…Good luck on the other side Eddie!
Mmmmm, gopher….tastes like chicken.
gopher named “Eddie” . . . heh heh!
very crafty.
So Mikey, you’re “an instant drowning victim…just add water”. (SNL skit)
“Life is a gift; enjoy each day,” says my 81-year old father.
Speaking of being a renter…I am starting to see that this area, where I expect to be employed for a very long time, is not going to be a place to buy for a very long time (not necessarily matching the previously mentioned “very long time”). I’m just not interested in paying close to $400K for a one bedroom condo nor am I interested in moving to an area that brings my commute up to an hour or moving into a hip cool place with high ceilings and zero floor space.
That being said, I am just about ready to place an order for quite a bit of very nice living room furniture. The last time I got this impulse, I bought my bedroom set and I have *never* regretted it. I had just finished paying off my student loans so my cash flow had improved enormously. I bought the stuff from an independent furniture company that makes all its products in Vermont. A few weeks ago, I requested a new catalog. I got it and started thinking hard.
My living room furniture is sad. A Jennifer Convertibles sofa that is old enough to vote. Most of the rest is IKEA. It is functional, but I certainly have always considered it somewhat temporary. I have gone well beyond being able to move with a van and a bunch of friends so getting nice stuff doesn’t change my mobility by much. I’ve looked for replacements on Craig’s List but to be very fair I can’t stand most of the furniture that people want to sell. My tastes just don’t match up with the trends of the last 5 to 10 years. And there is the bed bug thing too…
So, what does a renter do? My answer is to get the stuff I want, keeping in mind that I am in an apartment and I need to keep the arrangement flexible enough to fit in a different place should I move. To me that means a sofa (not a sectional or a whole set) and no “wall system” though I might imitate one by getting something for a TV and components and flanking it with two bookcases. I will be able to pay for it out of savings and replace those savings with the excess cash flow (take home pay less the amount I put in checking to pay for rent and all other expenses) in about 4 months.
So, what does the peanut gallery think? I won’t replace most of the bookcases. There are too many and they are so tightly packed together against walls in the dining area that they are really not visible. If I ever own, I’d probably have shelves installed. As an extra bonus, the place is running a substantial sale right now as they are trying to fill up the factory capacity between now and the end of the year. Yes, the owner is cutting profit to be able to keep his employees working. This place also uses its own employees for everything as near as I can tell - even deliveries so any problems can be addressed on the spot.
They sent me free tickets to a home show for this weekend, so I wouldn’t even have to take a road trip to Philly to look at fabric swatches and wood finishes. Hmm….
Save or spend?
Save or spend?
I had the 40 year old Captain’s bench reupholstered this spring, and replaced the matching but missing Navigator’s seat. I haven’t regretted it one little bit. So, I’m in no position to give an unbiased opinion on your impulses. Only to say that your story has a hint of spending today on the sure hope of tomorrow’s income.
I find it hard to say since I have been out of work before, but I am not really worried about tomorrow’s income. While a proposal was floated this week to make federal workers take 10 non-consecutive days of unpaid leave next year, it is a) unlikely to pass and b) wouldn’t bother me much if it did pass. My reviews at work are great. I’ve been given more and more responsibility over the years. And I have background that almost no one else in my department has and it has become more important in the years I have been there. I had to brief my boss’ boss’ boss’ boss on something just this week to help her get ready for a speech.
As for financials, my rent about 17% of my gross pay and includes parking, heat, water/sewer and electricity. And the total outlay for the furniture would be less than 6% of my liquid savings. I have tried to find a rational, not fear based reason for not doing this, and I can’t find it. I think it simply comes down to “do I want it.”
You will always want stuff!
I think it does not matter what % of your cash you spend on a gift to yourself, rather what your cash reserve target is and whether this spending is surplus to that reserve. Just my opinion. The solution to too much money is easy.
You could also consider spreading out the endorphin rush by buying one thing at a time, take your time rather than order up a truckload all at once.
The way I put things into perspective is to consider that it took me 40 years to save this money, so if I spend 6% of it right now, that is trading a couple of years of blood, sweat and taxes for that thing.
“And I have background that almost no one else in my department has and it has become more important in the years I have been there.”
I like the way you think, polly.
Yes, knowledge is valuable, and it is valuable in direct proportion to how needed it is, how common it is, and how easily it can be replaced.
Supply and demand applies equally well to intangibles such as knowledge.
Glad to hear that you have this degree of security.
I say buy the furniture if you think the satisfaction it will give you outweighs the time it will take to earn it. In other words, would you happily retire four months later to pay for it if that meant you could enjoy its use from now until then?
Thank you, Prime. That is the way of looking at it that I hadn’t figured out yet. This is the sort of stuff I would expect to own for decades since I don’t do “trends” in stuff like furniture. I would retire 4 months later to have that satisfaction for that many years. Like I said, I have never regretted the bedroom furniture and I have had it since ‘96, I think.
I’m of the camp that your home/living environment makes a huge impact on one’s general level of happiness. Sure, you can be happy living in a craphole with no furniture, but one generally is happier when they like their surroundings.
For that reason, I think that money spent on a slightly nicer place, or nicer furniture is generally worth it. But of course it depends on your savings, income, etc.
I spent a lot of money on a bedroom set several years back. Sure, as a single guy I’d be fine with just a metal bed frame and a cheap night stand. But honestly, I LIKE my bed…it makes me a little happier each night when I go to bed and appreciate my furniture.
That said, I only bought the bed and nightstands. I couldn’t justify getting new dressers as well, for how much the items in this set cost. And it was a good compromise, I think.
So I’m with Prime:
I say buy the furniture if you think the satisfaction it will give you outweighs the time it will take to earn it.
Blue Skye,
I hear you, but I really don’t think I get an endorphin rush from shopping. I know it is a real problem for a lot of people, but I just don’t see it as my problem. I’m more likely to freak out when I contemplate buying stuff. Getting to the point of wanting something enough to get beyond that is very unusual.
Oh, and for what it is worth, I have not been saving for 40 years. I couldn’t read 40 years ago. 20 years ago, I was still in school. 15 years ago I had only just finished paying off student loans. So 6% is not anything like several years of savings. And I have other savings that are not liquid cash.
Should I be thinking of this in relation to my total net worth instead? I don’t think so. That is retirement money. I don’t think of it as remotely relevant to a decision about current spending.
Then you should get to it!
Polly — I can totally sympathize. “Affordable housing” policy is serving to keep desirable coastal areas propped up on a permanently high plateau. It makes sense, as this is where one is likely to find Congressmen home owners, and it would not be in their self-interest to allow the value of their own investmentf homes to drop to levels supported by fundamentals.
I’m with you on this. We’ve been renting and I’ve finally bought decent furniture for the family room even though I kept thinking I’d wait till we bought. Still haven’t updated the bedroom furniture. You might as well make your place a comfortable home, even if it is rented. This bubble has really been the pits for those of us who want to be responsible with money.
BTW, what is the name of the furniture co. in Vermont? I have a nice, fairly recent, kitchen table and chairs from solid maple, made in Vermont. Really nice quality and it felt good to buy made in the USA, which I try to do whenever I can. We also replaced dishes a few years ago with Fiesta Ware, didn’t think I’d like it that much but wanted USA made to eat off of, now we love all the bright colors.
“You might as well make your place a comfortable home, even if it is rented.”
We provided our landlords with a free paint job this summer for similar reasons. I keep remembering the words of a colleague at work: ‘Possession is 90 percent of the law.’
My wife and I had been watching a very, very nice piece of custom furniture in a shop in Carmel. It was priced around $5200 for months. Just this week we went into check on it and it was now priced at $7600. It seems the new strategy is to mark it up and then give a discount when asked.
Trulia has shown lately where a couple of houses have shown an uptick in the asking price while 99% of the houses in the area keep dropping. Lot’s of property here now in the $120/sq.ft range. A house just went up for sale at $255K where one like it in 2008 went for $649K. It won’t be long before the central coast starts dropping as the economy holds its current path.
I have actually watched the prices at this place off and on for a while. I have not noticed any sharp up ticks. Prices are higher than when I bought my bedroom set in the 90’s, but not unexpectedly so. And I am willing to pay something to know for a fact that I am not dealing with overseas construction.
And, just curious, how can you watch a piece of “custom” furniture in a shop? Doesn’t custom mean that you get to choose the fabric or finish or something like that? How is it custom if it is sitting in the shop.
However, it is a good point. There are some industries where it makes no sense at all to buy unless it is during one of the nearly constant sales. In furniture, it used to be mostly August and February. Seems to be almost any Monday holiday gets a three week long “event.”
Polly,
This is a carved wooden table, nice for a bedroom setting with a marble top. It is similar to a drum table in design but oval in shape. The chairs are on the end and pull out, but looking at it you wouldn’t know the chairs are there. The ‘up’ is a soft leather. American made and can be custom ordered for top and chair ‘up’.
Is it Carmel, Indiana or some other state?
I’m sure salinasron is talking about very expensive Carmel, CA.
What’s the name of the place in Vermont? I’m looking for some LR furniture and a new desk.
Pompanoosuc Mills - lovely stuff.
Thanks—it’s very nice stuff.
Yes definitely avoid the sectional and home entertainment altar…
I read an on-line chat with a designer in the DC area and she…um…annoyed off a lot of people by saying that she always avoids sectionals. She said that people never sit in the “corner” and so it made more sense to buy two sofas/sofa plus love seat/sofa plus chair and an end table to fit in the same space. The end table can hold a lamp, phone or other items that wouldn’t make sense sitting on the sofa and you aren’t really losing a place to sit. I don’t know that she was right as “never” is a very strong word, but she did have something of a point.
exactly - no place to put a drink!
Polly, is it possible you could get a better deal in late December or January when folks are dealing with their Christmas spending hangover?
I don’t know. I think they have a trunk sale in March (mud season in Vermont) but that is just for existing pieces and I’m not sure if they offer delivery for those items. There will certainly be other sales in the future.
I’m at least going to go to the show and talk to whover is there, see what they say and look at the display, check out the fabrics I might want on a sofa. I might want to go to a show room anyway to see more pieces in person. I doubt they will have everything I am cosidering on display.
POLLY! I am also a Pompy aficionado! The Spring Tent Sale is over Memorial Day Weekend in East Thetford, VT. You wanna drive up with me and take a look-see? I’m also in the NOVA housing purgatory.
Ahh, Tent Sale. And May, not March. Sigh. It is gorgeous stuff.
Oh…road trip next spring? Maybe. Remind me closer to the event. I don’t think I would wait to buy stuff from the tent sale, but it must be amazing for the locals.
There’s a small chance you’re buying this stuff now just to feel good. To test that, buy some nice, top quality personal thing you’ve been wanting. See if the desire for new furniture is dulled somewhat.
It is a good idea, but there are relatively few things I want.
I need a new computer, but there is no reason to get it until the holiday season sales. Plus I will have time to do the set up and file transfers at the end of the year. I’m not lusting after an ipod touch or an ipad. I’m sure I would enjoy a 4g phone occasionally, but not enough to take on a monthly expense I don’t currently have (I use a prepaid phone at about $100 a year). My car is functioning without a/c but other than that is just fine. Clothes and shoes are not that exciting. I don’t need more kitchen stuff. I want a larger TV eventually (but I’m not quite ready to take the plunge there as I expect that doing a set up to watch content over the internet is still getting easier).
Seriously, the next thing I really want to buy for myself other than furniture is a particular concert ticket - I’ll do that, but it won’t make me want the furniture less. I want my personal space to be nicer and I want it to be something I will still love 10 years from now.
But keep the questions and suggestions coming people. This helps quite a bit.
Polly,
You bring up an interesting issue (all of your posts and topics are well thought out and enjoyable) that has been on my mind of late as well.
Firstly, my vote is that you buy yourself the furniture.
Second, Part of what we have been discussing on HBB since foreever ago is the constant pull and tug between consumption spending and fiscal prudence. To me it is far too easy to give in to the urges to spend especially when there is a huge marketing system doing everything it can to help us rationalize spending. I could go into the myraid reasons why I think it has come to this, but that is a discussion for another day. It’s the decision making process that interests me today. In your post you inferred that because housing prices in your locale have not yet marched downward far enough you were considering taking some of the money having been putting away for a down payment and buying quality furniture that will give you many years of use and enjoyment.
To me your decision logic is sound because, and I am projecting here, you may have been postponing a furniture purchase until after you had bought a house at a more reasonable price. Since that event does not appear to be on the near horizon you calculated when you could pay yourself back. And then you put this information on the broader table here.
Now contrast with the millions of bad decisions folks made to buy beyond their means. I find it hard to call these choices spur of the moment, but it seems like it based on the complete lack if due diligence nor fiscal understanding that the purchase was simply not affordable. If they looked at the numbers for even 10 minutes the fact that it did not work had to jump off of the page at them. And yet they went forward with it and contributed to one of the largest economic calamities in modern times.
What is the difference between you, and your decision process, and those of the FBs? Are you just a smarter person than the FB? Are you genetically different? Or is it something else? What separates those who can discern between sustenance spending and destructive self indulgance? Why is the line between ‘need’ and ‘want’ blurred for some and clear to others?
oc-ed,
What an interesting post. Yes, that is similar to my decision making process. I am at a point where the mortgage I would be comfortable with is easily the number that limits what I would buy more than the downpayment is (plus still having enough cash in reserve afterwards). I don’t see buying in this area yet and I’m not sure I ever will.
People tend to buy furniture when they move to a new place. Well, I went from seeing this apartment to sleeping in it in less than three weeks - not enough time to buy furniture from a business that makes everything to order. I’m sure I’ll move again someday, but I don’t know when and I don’t know if the next move will be to a place I own, so the calculation to wait until moving into a permanent space to buy quality furniture seems silly. The furniture will last decades. Why not buy it while I still have decades to enjoy it? Especially now that spending the money won’t keep me from buying a place if the whole world turns upside down next year and the market crashes in the places I would like to live.
As for why do I do all this careful considering when others don’t? I could speculate on any number of causes. It could be in born. It could be that I remember so clearly my mother wearing vinyl shoes ($2.99 at Bradlees) because she was trying to make Dad’s salary keep the rest of us presentable. It could be that I freaked out a bit when I had student loans more than three times what my parents paid for the house I grew up in. It could be that two bouts of being unemployed got me to thinking that $4 for a can of Endust was a big expenditure and I’ve never gotten over it. I just don’t know. I have always been a saver. Maybe some of it is because commercials rarely make me want stuff. Even if there is one that I like, I often don’t remember what the product is. Oh, and I expect a little of it is just being fairly instinctive at math. The cost of stuff and what you waste paying interest just hits me in the face. A lot of people don’t get that sort of feedback from their brains.
polly,
The reason your post piqued my interest is because I find myself in a similar position as you. I have been watching the housing market for years and my area has dropped a bit, but there is still a ways to go before I would test the waters. And now that my son is in middle school I have to consider the possibility that the prices will continue to be propped up for enough time that it just would not be worth taking on a mortgage here in CA when I may be able to move to somewhere where prices are half the cost here. Plus I am an old rascal and time is my enemy. A 30 year would not be wise at this stage. A 15 year fits the end game much better.
But it is the delay that has me looking at taking some of the money I have saved and, like you, upgrading some of the items in my house sooner rather than later. I have intentionally avoided doing that because my focus was saving for a down payment when the prices came down. What I did not anticipate was how doggone long the right side of the peaked chart would take to get down to my range. I have needed a couch for a few years, but just threw a slip cover on it and replaced some of the pillows, but I am seriously considering replacing it now, or soon. I consider that a ‘need’ at this point rather than a ‘want’. Time can change many things and in my case time equals additional wear and tear - especially with a kid going from 6 to 12. I could pay myself back in 2 months for a very nice couch that should last years.
As far as the why we, if I may group us so, decide this way I believe it is a combination of nature and nurture. We start out with abilities for analysis and mathematics and then life adds in caution and prudence. Another thing is that for many people life is lived on credit. Many folks do not make a lot, nor get chunks of money in bonuses and all of their big ticket items are put on the charge card and payed off over time. The danger is when the debit is not bounded by income and payment is not budgeted. I know people who have all of their credit cards maxed out and have overleveraged themselves into a garage majhal. Some live in fear of any event that will rock the boat, because they know how at risk they are. Others choose to remain completely blind to the danger. De Nile is a river in Egypt.
Enjoy your furniture.
Go with milk wires and cinderblocks. When you move you won’t have to take the furniture.
Polly….if you cant afford to by some nice furniture, we’re doomed here in flyover country. You’ve worked hard for your income and youre allowed to exchange it for something that you’d like to have, thats tangible, and, most likely, will never get any cheaper. Do it for those of us who cant afford it!
Don’t be afraid to haggle - this recession means they need to sell.
Shop a few different places.
Leather and microfiber are easy to clean.
Buy it.
Well-made furniture that you like is worth the expense, especially if you plan to use it often. Spending a fortune on dining room furniture (a la the 1950s-60s were wont to do) is a waste of money if no one will ever use it.
I wouldn’t spend a bunch on dining room furniture since I am so happy with what I have already. Table and chairs that my great aunts got my parents for their wedding almost 50 years ago. Done on a much smaller scale than most current stuff so it fits in the dining area even with the walls lined with books.
Stat’s purchase 2/97 sold 9/04. … La jolla 3000 sft. Pool and views as far as the eye can see….
Did your wife cry when you sold it?
I want to thank Dio for the very interesting comments about MERS
Imagine if they tried to used a program like that for vehicle titles?
I ran into the mers thing way back and posted some comments about it. IMO, it’s another story the media runs for public consumption. I’m seeing that system foreclose on houses here every week. Like the gmac reports this week; here in N AZ gmac is repo’ing houses all over the place.
The fascination looks something like this; ‘these guys were so sloppy, they don’t have a right to foreclose - you’re gonna get to keep that house forever!’ But if the bank doesn’t have title, neither does the FB. RE contract law is set up to establish clear title, so it may take a little longer, but if somebody took the money and isn’t making payments, they still better get some boxes. It makes a good media story, but that’s about it.
You are good. Answered my question before it posted.
“but if somebody took the money and isn’t making payments, they still better get some boxes. It makes a good media story, but that’s about it.”
Exactly.
This is what I tried to tell my friend in Cali when he found out about MERS . He stopped making payments for about 2 years and told me he would get a free house.
When I pointed out to him that the house did not build itself, he would never address my skepticism of his “plan” to get a free house.
One of his main arguments in regards to state and counties not getting their fees for recording titles…
So my question is simple:
Is MERS a fraud?
Is it is?
or
is it isn’t?
“Is MERS a fraud?”
Google-up “MERS fraud” and you’ll get 109,000 responses.
‘you’ll get 109,000 responses’
Things take on a life of their own. Fraud? Someone will have to explain that to me. Was the purchase money transferred? Did the borrower stop making payments?
‘Is MERS a fraud?’
I’m sure it’s a big mess. But the way it gets kicked around, it’s made to appear to be a free ticket out of the debt. In a few cases, it may draw things out. But your friend not paying for 2 years isn’t special. Tens of thousands have done that who weren’t in mers. Heck, under the loan mod programs, some people were told to stop paying.
Are any of these mortgage holders being forced to go back and pay transfer taxes and fees?
“….free ticket out of debt…..”
Like you say, nobody is going to get a free house out of this. It will mean employment for the people that have to go back and clean up the paperwork mess.
The only way someone MAY get a “free house”, is if it costs more to go back and process the paperwork correctly than the property is worth. Not many places around like that.
MERS is not a fraud.
There is nothing fraudulent about sloppy paperwork processing. Now, some of the attempts to backdate assignments after the foreclosure has already been filed could potentially be construed as fraudulent.
But the system itself? No.
The right way for them to clean up the paperwork after the fact on any given property is to cancel any foreclosure that is in process; clean up the assignments with _current_ dates, signatures, and notary seals; re-start the foreclosure on that property.
What we are seeing in the news is that instead of cleaning up the mistakes the right way, some suspect firms are curring corners to save $$$.
I thought I read here yesterday that the problem was failure to properly record deeds, thinking MERS was sufficient.
MERS may be a fraud, but you have to determine who is the defrauded party. The homeowner isn’t being defrauded. But the investor type who bought MBS may have been. His claim to the collateral backed by the MBS is clouded by the improper actions of the MERS. He bought what was purported to be “A” ranked securities which may in fact be “B” or lower ranked securities. Certainly his liquidity may have taken a huge hit.
The homeowner clearly cannot attempt to “quiet title” on his house if the lenders can’t produce the note. The only legal theory under which the homeowner could claim title would be adverse possession, and this would fail because he was living there under a mortgage.
We are entering into a grey legal area with MERS. We’ve seen in so-called “no recourse” states that lenders cannot sue for a deficiency judgment, even though they have the clear contractural right to those funds. In CA the code of civil procedure says you can’t file suit for the deficiency after a non-judicial (short cut) foreclosure, although presumably you could sue for a deficiency after a judicial foreclosure.
Maybe this is how the situation will resolve itself over MERS. States could refuse to accept a MERS-backed title for non-judicial foreclosures, forcing MERS-backed actions into the longer and more costly judicial foreclosures.
“The fascination looks something like this; ‘these guys were so sloppy, they don’t have a right to foreclose - you’re gonna get to keep that house forever!’ But if the bank doesn’t have title, neither does the FB. RE contract law is set up to establish clear title, so it may take a little longer, but if somebody took the money and isn’t making payments, they still better get some boxes. It makes a good media story, but that’s about it.”
Ben, I couldn’t have said it better.
“it’s another story the media runs for public consumption.”
Much like “we need a foreclosure system” that I railed about yesterday.
More media games.
“…but if somebody took the money and isn’t making payments, they still better get some boxes.”
Thanks for weighing in again with your knowledge of real estate contract law, Ben. A colleague of mine and I were having a discussion along these lines just last night: If someone stops making payments on a home financed by an unaffordable mortgage, will they get to live rent-free forever? We came to the conclusion that the vast majority of the 6-8 million U.S. homeowners in mortgage default will eventually be asked to move out, whenever the lender gets around to it. Your comment suggests there is a strong legal basis for this eventuality.
The eventual settlement in many cases has not been resolved.
However, in Jacksonville, it has been reported that cases have been delayed as long as 5 years, with the “owner-occupant” still in place, without the foreclosure proceeding. That’s a long time to put off the “inevitable”. I don’t know what the final outcome will be with all this, but I am sure it will vary State-to-state.
Here is another excerpt from the article about the system. Remember is was the big banks and Fannie /Freddie that put this crap in place:
“MERS was developed in the early 1990s by a number of financial entities, including Bank of America, Countrywide, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac, allegedly to allow consumers to pay less for mortgage loans. That did not actually happen, but what MERS did allow was the securitization and shuffling around of mortgages behind a veil of anonymity. The result was not only to cheat local governments out of their recording fees but to defeat the purpose of the recording laws, which was to guarantee purchasers clean title. Worse, MERS facilitated an explosion of predatory lending in which lenders could not be held to account because they could not be identified, either by the preyed-upon borrowers or by the investors seduced into buying bundles of worthless mortgages. As alleged in a Nevada class action called Lopez vs. Executive Trustee Services, et al.:
Before MERS, it would not have been possible for mortgages with no market value . . . to be sold at a profit or collateralized and sold as mortgage-backed securities. Before MERS, it would not have been possible for the Defendant banks and AIG to conceal from government regulators the extent of risk of financial losses those entities faced from the predatory origination of residential loans and the fraudulent re-sale and securitization of those otherwise non-marketable loans. Before MERS, the actual beneficiary of every Deed of Trust on every parcel in the United States and the State of Nevada could be readily ascertained by merely reviewing the public records at the local recorder’s office where documents reflecting any ownership interest in real property are kept….
After MERS, . . . the servicing rights were transferred after the origination of the loan to an entity so large that communication with the servicer became difficult if not impossible …. The servicer was interested in only one thing – making a profit from the foreclosure of the borrower’s residence – so that the entire predatory cycle of fraudulent origination, resale, and securitization of yet another predatory loan could occur again. This is the legacy of MERS, and the entire scheme was predicated upon the fraudulent designation of MERS as the ‘beneficiary’ under millions of deeds of trust in Nevada and other states.”
So, yes, this is a huge FRAUD. It is a designed to aide and abet those seeking to conceal what is going on with their mortgage origination and transfers.
And just for a little flavor, another tidbit from the unposted article:
California Precedent
The latest of these court decisions came down in California on May 20, 2010, in a bankruptcy case called In re Walker, Case no. 10-21656-E–11. The court held that MERS could not foreclose because it was a mere nominee; and that as a result, plaintiff Citibank could not collect on its claim. The judge opined:
Since no evidence of MERS’ ownership of the underlying note has been offered, and other courts have concluded that MERS does not own the underlying notes, this court is convinced that MERS had no interest it could transfer to Citibank. Since MERS did not own the underlying note, it could not transfer the beneficial interest of the Deed of Trust to another. Any attempt to transfer the beneficial interest of a trust deed without ownership of the underlying note is void under California law.
In support, the judge cited In Re Vargas (California Bankruptcy Court); Landmark v. Kesler (Kansas Supreme Court); LaSalle Bank v. Lamy (a New York case); and In Re Foreclosure Cases (the “Boyko” decision from Ohio Federal Court). (For more on these earlier cases, see here, here and here.) The court concluded:
Since the claimant, Citibank, has not established that it is the owner of the promissory note secured by the trust deed, Citibank is unable to assert a claim for payment in this case.
The broad impact the case could have on California foreclosures is suggested by attorney Jeff Barnes, who writes:
This opinion . . . serves as a legal basis to challenge any foreclosure in California based on a MERS assignment; to seek to void any MERS assignment of the Deed of Trust or the note to a third party for purposes of foreclosure; and should be sufficient for a borrower to not only obtain a TRO [temporary restraining order] against a Trustee’s Sale, but also a Preliminary Injunction barring any sale pending any litigation filed by the borrower challenging a foreclosure based on a MERS assignment.
While not binding on courts in other jurisdictions, the ruling could serve as persuasive precedent there as well, because the court cited non-bankruptcy cases related to the lack of authority of MERS, and because the opinion is consistent with prior rulings in Idaho and Nevada Bankruptcy courts on the same issue.
‘…it has been reported that cases have been delayed as long as 5 years, with the “owner-occupant” still in place, without the foreclosure proceeding.’
In the long run, the “owner-occupant” is dead.
By the way, so the point is not lost, my latest comment on MERS was in response to another post about foreclosures being delayed or halted. It was the opinion of the poster that the Servicers were incompetent, and there was some kind of hanky-panky with the mortgage companies holding properties off the market.
My comment was meant to bring up a very valid point that MERS cases are NOW going through the Courts and are, in fact, holding up foreclosures. They clearly cloud the title for the Mortgage holder.
Courts have ruled that MERS cannot demonstrate ownership of the mortgages, and therefore have no right to transfer the ownership to another entity, such as a bank.
This whole set -up of electronic recording vs. court-house records has created a whole new set of problems of its own. Contrarily, I am certain Sir Alan Greenspan (remember he got knighted) would claim that this is another great “Financial Innovation”.
No, Alan, Fraud is nothing new. It’s just done a lightning speed now.
Diogenes, what would it mean in California if the proceedings drag out past 5 years, since IIRC that’s when “squatter’s rights” apply?
If there’s no foreclosure within 5 years, do the folks who stayed in the house and maintained it properly now get the deed?
Probably not. As I understand squatter’s rights, they apply to property where someone has moved in for an extended period of time, unbeknownst to the owner. They have essentially enjoyed quiet use of the property until the owner becomes aware they are sitting in his property and seeks to have them removed.
The fact that they have been involved in some form of litigation would probably preclude that outcome.
I have seen cases where title was handed over because, according to the Court, the owner sat “idly by” while the property was taken for another’s use.
In these cases, the “owners” are not standing idly by. They are trying to evict.
From personal experience, my grandmother lost 10 acres and a house to a black family in Mississippi, whom she had let rent the property for a number of years. This was many years ago. The family was on hard times and my grandmother let them slide for a number of years on the rent because they were telling her that they just didn’t have the money. Consequently, they claimed squatter’s rights and won. Lesson: No good deed goes unpunished.
So it doesn`t matter that the mortgage has not been paid for 2 years?
GMAC troubles threaten to halt foreclosure sales
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:07 p.m. Friday, Sept. 24, 2010
The revelation this week that tens of thousands of Ally Financial Inc.’s GMAC foreclosures may have flawed court documents not only has implications for some of the nation’s largest mortgage companies, it could strangle the resales of bank-owned homes.
Attorneys are warning that title insurance companies may reject foreclosed properties for fear of future challenges to the procedures used in repossessing those homes.
Already, one Boca Raton real estate attorney said she has seen title insurance refused on a foreclosed property where the case was handled by one of Florida’s massive foreclosure law firms. The firm is one of four under investigation by the state attorney general for allegedly mishandling documents in a rush to move thousands of cases through the courts.
The reason for the title insurance denial: defects in the foreclosure.
“They may say it’s a technical defect, but it’s a very important technical defect,” said Chris Immel, a foreclosure defense attorney with Royal Palm Beach-based Ice Legal, who deposed Stephan in December 2009.
But Stephan isn’t the only “robo-signer” in the industry, Immel said.
In a May deposition conducted by Ice Legal of Chase employee Beth Ann Cottrell, she acknowledged signing thousands of foreclosure documents every month without knowing details of every case.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/gmac-troubles-threaten-to-halt-foreclosure-sales-936241.html
I know a guy who has been living in a house without paying the mortgage for five years (FL). I think ten years is probably doable the way things are going.
Wow! 5yrs might be a record… It’s certainly the longest that I’ve heard.
Substantiates what I have been noticing - apartment renters are a more honest and more responsible group of people than SFH residents: People in apartments have to pay rent. Deadbeats in SFH neighborhoods are not paying rent. People in apartments CAN afford to live in them. Your next door neighbor in a SFH might be a deadbeat. I prefer living and working among honest people. Credit checks in both places. Drug tests at work. Background checks at work.
Doesn’t the US government own an 80% take in Ally?
Well we were hoping to get a year of free rent since our landlords were taking up bankruptcy. We made it unscathed to the 2-month mark. But the LL called to let us know that bank wants to come in and do an assessment - so I guess the jig is up sooner rather than later.
Question, the credit union already knows how much they are owed, so why would they want to come in and assess the place?
To date there has been no notice of default, no date set for auction that we can find. For all intents and purposes the LL still owns the place until the bankruptcy kicks in and the house gets auctioned right?
We (finally) found a larger house in our neighborhood to rent. We are juggling trying to get more free rent vs moving and being secure. No rent is nice, knowing you won’t be evicted is nice too!
I’m wondering if Uncle Sam’s large ownership share in Ally makes them effectively above the law.
Thoughts?
Fla. home sales stable as prices drop
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:56 a.m. Thursday, Sept. 23, 2010
“The housing market is trying to recover on its own power without the home buyer tax credit,” said Lawrence Yun, chief economist for the National Association of Realtors. “Despite very attractive affordability conditions, a housing market recovery will likely be slow and gradual because of lingering economic uncertainty.”
Local Realtors say anecdotally that their September sales are on track to be some of the best all year, with a mix of buyers including those seeking second homes and first-time buyers who missed out on the tax credit but are still eager to buy.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/real-estate/fla-home-sales-stable-as-prices-drop-933236.html - 81k
I’m in FL and the situation is about as stable as an air mattress with four fat chicks fighting for free food stamps as it floats for the falls. Totally F-ed, in other words.
“slow and gradual”
Well, he got that right. I remember John Kruk the Phillies first baseman being asked after a World Series game that left the Phillies 1 game from elimination. How do you feel about looking at a sudden death game? His reply, I didn`t know we had sudden death in baseball, but if you`re gonna have death it might as well be sudden.
“…sales stable as prices drop…”
Sounds like stable sales are leading to comp price discovery. Soon affordable prices may result…
Cash for Clunkers Buyer’s Remorse:
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/07/cash-for-clunkers-buyers-remorse/
“This contract is bad and I’m not in love.”
I said that about my first wife in 1984.
Very interesting, including some of the analysis down in the comments. A few people mentioned that they expected a wave of reposessions of the cars purchased under the program because folks couldn’t afford the car payments for the new cars long term. A large wave of not too old, smaller cars entering the used market could be interesting. Caution including a carfax report and an inspection at a good AAA certified mechanic would be called for, but still interesting.
From my experience carmax is pretty expensive.I think circuit city owned them.I would not buy a car from them.
Is carfax run by carmax? I was just talking about the report that tells you whether a used car has been in a flood or accidents. I think it comes off an insurance database, so it wouldn’t help if a claim was not made, but it has to be better than no information at all - as long as you recognize that the information may not be perfect.
carfax, carmax…oh well. LOL
“From my experience carmax is pretty expensive.”
I saved over $7000 on my new dodge Dakota in 2003 from what dealers were charging. No haggle pricing is what you got from them in those days. I still have my truck with 140K miles, no problems and will run it another 140K. Just had my third tune up Wednesday.
My daughter needed to replace her PT Cruiser with a van/SUV because they are expecting another child. She found a Toyota fully loaded SUV from a private party but needed to sell here 2008 PT first. She went to Carmax and they bought it on the spot for $10K with no purchase necessary.
yeah.. friends of mine bought two cars from Carmax and were very happy with the deals. Steered me in that direction when I was shopping.
From what i’ve seen, Carmax is not expensive.. they just don’t sell anything that is flawed, and prices are up there where they belong.
Carmax is expensive from what ive seen.I prefer to buy cars from private sellers and avoid the dealers all together.
i would prefer to buy private as well.. i know enough about cars and mechanical things in general to trust my own inspection, and that’s where the good deals are.
But if i were lazy and wanted a pre-inspected, cleaned and detailed, warranteed, late model used car, and didn’t feel like haggling over price, I’d take a look at Carmax’s web page and see what’s available.
Seems like the rental car outlets, like Enterprise or Hertz, offered just about the same thing. Cars are clean and they much prefer to sell retail than dump them at the auctions.
I’ve found Enterprise Sales to be more expensive than Carmax, but maybe it’s just the years and models I’ve concentrated on.
From Zero Hedge: “the government just seized three wholesale credit unions and has launched an “unusual plan” to manage $50 billion of troubled assets inherited from failed institutions. The unions taken into conservatorship include Members United Corporate Federal Credit Union in Warrenville, Ill., Southwest Corporate Federal Credit Union of Plano, Texas, and Constitution Corporate Federal Credit Union, Wallingford, Conn., which had a total of $19.67 billion in assets as of July.
As for the funding of the new bailout program: “To help fund the rescue, the National Credit Union Administration plans to issue $30 billion to $35 billion in government-guaranteed bonds, backed by the shaky mortgage-related assets.” Once again, uncle Sam bails out those who have committed federal crime and sticks Joe Sixpack with the bill. How is it a crime? “Under federal rules, wholesale credit unions were supposed to invest only in safe, liquid assets. But some institutions chased higher returns by loading up on securities backed by subprime mortgages or other risky loans. Their portfolios were decimated by the mortgage meltdown.”And here is the punchline: “Officials said the plan won’t cost taxpayers any money.” How can one not simply laugh at the continued lies and crimes that occur each and every day, and are perpetrated by every single person in charge of this collapsing country?”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-25/-black-swan-author-taleb-says-obama-s-stimulus-made-economic-crisis-worse.html
“Black Swan” author blasts Obama stimulus, says US needs to end tax breaks for mortgages.
He is just singing the Canadian National Anthem to the Canadians.
“says US needs to end tax breaks for mortgages.”
Please God…. Please?
This isn’t directly housing related, but I thouht it was pretty funny.
Weak Economy is Killing Off Office Romances
http jobs aol com/articles/2010/09/22/office-romances/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl4%7Csec1_lnk1%7C173101
“In a time of massive uncertainty in the job market, there are many economic side effects. But one surprising product of a slimming job market has been the steep decline of office romances. But unlike the most likely of reasons - stress levels of workers - it’s actually because of an increase in legal complaints from third parties.
“It that seems a bit opportunistic to you, then you’d be right. It’s a tricky game of “let me get you fired before I get laid off” using whatever means are necessary. With a growth of nearly 23% in 2008, these types of complaints are starting to become more and more commonplace in the office.”
Someone keeps statistics on office romances?
i’m not playing dumb.. i really did not know that.
“‘Let me get you fired before I get laid off’ using whatever means are necessary.”
Hmmm… a good topic for a do it yourself book.
I once ran across a “revenge” site that offered interesting schemes for someone who wants to get even with someone else.
Some very sick (but oooooh so creative) ideas were offered. Many of these schemes could easily be tailored to the workplace.
This one is very interesting. The dogs at work are watching me more than ever, IMO. The most beautiful gal at the office and I better not get friendly with each other. This is no paranoia on my part, as I explained before about another white-skinned guy who got chased out of his job there.
The only way the gal and I could make it work is a hidden rendezvous and she has to make the first move. I’m just a consultant and I have more to lose than her if found out.
Here’s my own chest-beating: I’ve been consulting at this company or its east coast HQ for over seven and a half years, which is much longer than any consultant. I’m doing something right. But my net worth is not high enough to let down my guard. I need to get to where I have $160,000 annual investment income to permanently live here in California. At that point my desired permanent rental would be Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, or Monterey!
Fantasy will be the end of you Bill. Those guys arlready know what you are thinking!
Yeah I know. But some of those guys told me she likes older white guys. I think she is a material girl though. Danger!
Never dip your pen in company ink.
Blue
LOL
Bill in L A - Is this your phone number
888-555-stud?
Mine use to be:
888-555-jugs!
Never dip your pen in company ink.
I don’t know. I dated a girl who worked on my floor once. It was a good relationship - lasted about a year.
Of course, I moved to another job in the middle of our relationship (unrelated to her/us), so when it came to an end there wasn’t the awkwardness of still having to work together.
Never fish off the company pier
Bill — Simple, honest suggestion:
Don’t dally at work. As your own comments suggest, those with enough pay and job security might be able to get away with it; not so much a contractor. And don’t forget the case of Hurd — he landed on his feet, but that was pretty much a given that he would; nonetheless, from the standpoint of HP, his dalliances were justification to severe ties.
“At that point my desired permanent rental would be Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, or Monterey!’
We here at Ben’s HBB can’t have you loney and wandering all alone on the foggy Monterey Pier all by yourself without any responsible adult supervision. You’d undoubtably get squished like a small lost frog by one of those big one of those big, impersonable tourist buses.
Get married Bill, you need somebody to tell you when and how high to jump.
Rest assured, that we will still be here and available to provide mental therapy and emotional support, should she ever be mean to you…for a substantial fee of course.
Won’t marry before converting half my assets to gold and bury that half in some off-the-wall spot such as North Dakota.
Don’t bury it near Devils Lake. When you come back to dig it up, it might be under water.
Mikey
I knew you were a cool guy, and I loved your advice. Bill is a legend in his own mind.
Bill- $ isn’t an aphrodisiac, it’s a tool. Why don’t you buy your sex out of your career setting, and maybe take up another sport for a conquest.
I’ve dated a man who one day flew me in a private plane for dinner. I think I was about 22. I was every impressed with the day, and still didn’t put out. I had too much self respect.
“very” not “every” -typo
I commented on this last week, Bill. Older white men who leer at young Asian women are considered to be creepy. Take this from a formerly young half-Asian woman. Since most posters on this board are middle-aged white guys I’m probably the only one who will tell you this.
There are some things that I think everybody just kind of knows and it seems pointless to say. I assume Bill just doesn’t care, or gets a positive reaction just often enough to ignore the negative ones.
Older white men who leer at young Asian women are considered to be creepy.
I don’t get it. Are you making some kind of racial statement here?
Anyway, every woman has a different definition of sexy vs. creepy. That’s what makes life interesting. Schopenhauer said that if a man couldn’t pursue women, he would commit suicide because his life would be so boring.
REHobbyist, how about young Asian women who leer at older white men? Are they creepy as well?
Plus, I hardly associate at all with her at work anyway. I don’t seek her out and always have a work purpose to be whereever I am in the office building. I said before the company is mostly Asian males who would (and have done before) find excuses to get rid of a white male who shows interest in Asian females there. So I cannot even talk about her.
I don’t leer. I have seen a consultant get fired for that. It’s natural for most man (whatever age) to enjoy the pretty young women and to want them. I know you don’t like that, and most older women don’t either. But you cannot fight how a man is wired.
Besides, I don’t look so old and I can still burn up the treadmill or the lap pool.
I live high on the hog in SLO with less than half of that. Lost to do for free once you leave LA.
Eddie yesterday wrote:
Comment by Eddie
2010-09-24 14:28:46
Don’t look now sports fans, but Dow is within spitting distance of 11K.
12K by EOY. Still time to make some money. Or you can keep the money in a 0.0015% savings account if you prefer.
Even if you are right in your forecast, a ~10% gain by EOY is not sufficient return to justify taking the inherent risks that I currently perceive in the market.
Well be back at 10000 soon I think.the big boys are already placing short bets.
Have you seen priceline? What a joke.People are going to lose their @ss on this high flyer.Totally reminds of the dot.com stocks like pets.com.
people have been super extra careful about what they’ve bought and held in the last year or so. You gotta put the money someplace and some of it ends up in stocks.
Sure there are the traders and the news blurbs that can move the market at any time, but the foundation of the market.. the 95% that is not being traded, is as stable as can be expected under the circumstances, imo.
Regardless of Eddie’s confident prediction, I plan to dump all my stocks around election day, “just in case.”
When you hear this much negativity, it usually means the bull market still has legs. It’s when everyone jumps in and brags that they’re all in that you’d better get out fast.
We’re a tiny minority in the big scheme of things. So out there in the world are there more PBs, or more Eddies?
Out there in the world, there is generally a balance of PBs and Eddies. But the Fed is actively encouraging Eddies to believe that the stock market will only go up from here. Too much encouragement leads to unsustainable bubbles, which end with implosions which ‘nobody could have seen coming.’
Footnote: Paul Krugman said the Fed had ‘run out of bubbles.’ Apparently he didn’t realize that bubbles can be endlessly recycled (stocks, PMs, etc).
For all I know, Eddie lives in a cardboard box and PB is some bank manager… and that pretty girl who keeps sending me erotic photos of herself is some old man sitting on a commode.
Forest Gump went to public school, and his mother had to “persuade” the principal to get him in.
Despite criticism, a voucher program grows - and brings long-sought relief to parents
By Cara Fitzpatrick Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 11:11 p.m. Friday, Sept. 24, 2010
Kasan Holme struggled to pay attention in fourth grade last year, getting in trouble so often that his teacher exiled him to the back of the room.
He languished there for months, far from the other students. He began begging his mother to let him leave school.
This year, the Wellington 10-year-old goes to a private school that promises help for his learning disability. He’s one of a growing number of special-needs children in Florida whose parents use tax money to subsidize their private education.
Sending children with learning disabilities to private school is nothing new in most places. There are two reasons it might be unusual in a particular spot. One is that the school district has so many children that need extra help that they can efficiently hire a few full time people to provide the special education services the kids need in house. The other is that they have been completely ignoring special needs kids for a long time (letting them show up until it is legal for them to drop out) and No Child Left Behind has made that too expensive to continue.
The presence of even one or two “special needs” children in a regular classroom can seriously detract from the quality of learning for the rest of the kids, and take up an inordinate amount of the teacher’s time.
Oh dear. Special needs children getting special care? The horror!
I have seen the “Special needs” label put on a lot of kids that are simply disruptive or not motivated. Very much like the healthy men I know who collect full SS disability. When a program that is put in place by government for people that need it, it is taken advantage of by many more that don`t. That is the horror I have seen.
I have too, but the overall percentage is so small it’s not enough to penalize those who do need it.
Especially compared to the biggest welfare queens, the large corporations.
“I have too, but the overall percentage is so small it’s not enough to penalize those who do need it.”
On the percentage being so small when it comes to SS disability, food stamp program, any number of housing bailouts (landlords collecting rent not paying mortgage, lawyers who can afford to pay stop paying to get a cramdown section 8 renters for life driving new vehicles) etc. I respectfully disagree.
Can we expect the Wall Street Journal writers to soon do an expose on the Plunge Protection Team (another “group that doesn’t exist”) along the lines of this article?
* U.S. NEWS
* SEPTEMBER 24, 2010
On the Secret Committee to Save the Euro, a Dangerous Divide
By MARCUS WALKER, CHARLES FORELLE and BRIAN BLACKSTONE
BRUSSELS—Two months after Lehman Brothers collapsed in the fall of 2008, a small group of European leaders set up a secret task force—one so secret that they dubbed it “the group that doesn’t exist.”
Its mission: Devise a plan to head off a default by a country in the 16-nation euro zone.
When Greece ran into trouble a year later, the conclave, whose existence has never before been reported, had yet to agree on a strategy. In a prelude to a cantankerous public debate that would later delay Europe’s response to the euro-zone debt crisis until the eleventh hour, the task force struggled to surmount broad disagreement over whether and how the euro zone should rescue one of its own. It never found the answer.
A Wall Street Journal investigation, based on dozens of interviews with officials from around the EU, reveals that the divisions that bedeviled the task force pushed the currency union perilously close to collapse. In early May, just hours before Germany and France broke their stalemate and agreed to endorse a trillion-dollar fund to rescue troubled euro-zone members, French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde told her delegation the euro zone was on the verge of breaking apart, according to people familiar with the matter.
…
Professor Bear, surely you jest. The US financial media values it’s “access” to those they report on and ad revenues from same to ever consider telling the truth about them. For that you need to go to blogs or the rare independent voices like Matt Taibi of ROLLING STONE.
* INVESTING
* SEPTEMBER 25, 2010
Credit Unions Bailed Out
U.S. Backs $30 Billion in Bonds to Stabilize Key Institutions; Subprime Legacy
By MARK MAREMONT And VICTORIA MCGRANE
Two years after the peak of the financial crisis, the federal government swooped in to stabilize a crucial part of the credit-union sector battered by losses on subprime mortgages.
Regulators announced Friday a rescue and revamping of the nation’s wholesale credit union system, underpinned by a federal guarantee valued at $30 billion or more. Wholesale credit unions don’t deal with the general public but provide essential back-office services to thousands of other credit unions across the U.S. The majority of retail credit unions are sound, but they will have to shoulder the losses through special assessments over the next decade.
Friday’s moves include the seizure of three wholesale credit unions, plus an unusual plan by government officials to manage $50 billion of troubled assets inherited from failed institutions. To help fund the rescue, the National Credit Union Administration plans to issue $30 billion to $35 billion in government-guaranteed bonds, backed by the shaky mortgage-related assets.
Officials said the plan won’t cost taxpayers any money. Still, it marks the latest intervention by the U.S. government into a financial system weakened by the real-estate bust. Bad bets on mortgage-backed securities have now killed five of the nation’s 27 wholesale credit unions since March 2009. The federal government, which now controls about 70% of the total assets at such credit unions, said the surviving institutions will be reined in so that they take fewer risks with their investments.
“Previously, we stabilized the system, and now we’re resolving the problem and reforming the system,” said Debbie Matz, chairman of the National Credit Union Administration, the U.S. agency overseeing credit unions.
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It’s that indigo swan again.
But, election day is still on the horizon. PPT will be working very hard till then. Seems like a good time to unload stocks too.
Hurdles Remain for Housing
9/24/2010 3:27:57 PM
New-homes sales data show the housing market is still hurting. Kelsey Hubbard talks with Jerry Howard, CEO of the National Association of Home Builders, and WSJ/Dow Jones Newswires Reporter Dawn Wotapka about the sluggish pace of the housing recovery and whether or not more government assistance is needed.
more govt assistance..
I get the feeling momma has closed the purse, at least until after the elections, and hopefully forever.
Keep an eye on it, but RE needs to work out it’s problems on it’s own.
its
thank’s
The Fed is all-in with respect to reflation efforts. Place your bets accordingly.
Nick Godt’s Market Medics
Sept. 25, 2010, 12:07 p.m. EDT
Stocks riding on a flood of liquidity: Risk is back on
Commentary: With no recovery, global central banks jump to the rescue
By Nick Godt, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — It might sound counterintuitive after the rally in stocks so far in September, not to mention in complete contradiction of the prediction of many Wall Street analysts, but the market is not betting on a U.S.or even a global recovery, for that matter.
That might sound hard to believe given that the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA 10,860, +197.84, +1.86%) is up 8.4% so far this month, the tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite (COMP 2,381, +54.14, +2.33%) is up 12.6%, and the S&P 500 index (SPX 1,149, +23.84, +2.12%) , the broad gauge of the market most used by investment professionals, is up 9.5%.
In normal circumstances, this would be the type of rally that signals investors are betting the “all clear” on stocks, given a bright outlook for economic growth and profits.
But with retail investors mostly absent from the market, as they have been for the past two years, investment powerhouses are again relying on the same old trick that helped power stocks in March 2009.
What the market is betting on is lots more liquidity coming its way.
Faced with increasing signs of economic weakness, central banks in the U.S., Japan, and the European Union are stopping plans to remove liquidity, signaling more liquidity is on the way, or already intervening.
That’s a blessing for stocks, commodities, and gold.
Given the macro-nature of the global financial and economic crisis, assets have been increasingly trading in lock-step, meaning either risk on-type of assets such as stocks and commodities when things look up, or risk-off assets such as bonds, when things look down.
Renewed central bank moves towards liquidity are a clear green light:
“This is very much a risk-on environment given the ample liquidity,” says Mary Nicola, currency strategist at BNP Paribas.
But that’s very far from the market signaling it expects the economy to recover.
This past week the Federal Reserve summed it up nicely when it said it was worried about deflation and that it stood ready to take more extraordinary measures to reflate the economy.
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Economic collapse is bound to be a fruitful subject for academic discussion over the next several decades. Viewed from that standpoint, perhaps all the various extraordinary, unprecedented intervention measures of the past two years should be viewed as a great success.
MarketWatch First Take
Sept. 24, 2010, 5:15 p.m. EDT
Contrary to Bernanke, economics did fail us
Commentary: Fed chief wrong to defend incomplete theories
By MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Economists still have a lot to learn about how the recent economic and financial crisis unfolded, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke begrudgingly acknowledged Friday.
However, in spite of the failures of economists to predict the crisis or to prevent it, Bernanke largely defended his profession in a speech on Friday at an economic research institute he helped found at Princeton University. Read our full story on Bernanke’s remarks.
It was not economic theory that failed us, he said, it was economic management and engineering. Economists have workable theories about how bank runs can erupt and how they can be stopped, and theories about how misaligned incentives or moral hazard can lead to excessive risk-taking.
The crisis was mostly a failure of design, not theory, he said.
Think of Bernanke’s argument this way: If a bridge collapsed, no one would think we should re-examine the theory of gravity; they’d blame the disaster on the designer or the builder, not on Isaac Newton.
But, of course, economic science is not as developed or as precise as physics. Even if economists can explain in hindsight how it happened, or suggest remedies for crisis management, the profession still has a lot to answer for.
We were assured from the highest authority that such a crisis was impossible.
Bernanke suggested to his former colleagues at Princeton some fruitful areas for further study, such as explaining under what conditions human behavior does not fit the quaint assumptions of perfect rationality, or how asset bubbles rise and fall.
Bernanke said standard models of the economy seem to work most of the time. Most of the time, he said, “serious financial instability is not an issue.” Most of the time, cancer isn’t an issue for physicians, either.
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I’ve seen two references to cancer today (the other posted below in the article by cancer survivor Taleb). Perhaps this is the right metaphor: Our banking system has become a cancer, sucking money out of the American economy to nobody’s benefit except for the insiders on Wall Street and at the Fed, etc. Radical surgery may be necessary to rescue the system.
Economics? Economics? A Science??
I studied both Macro and Micro at UF when I was an undergrad. One of the basic tenets is man is “rational”. I laughed. Then I let the department. Too many arguments with professor. If man were ‘Rational”, then Madison Avenue would be out of business.
As I have reflected from more intellectual seers: Economics was invented to make Astrology respectable.
Ben Bernanke is an educated nincompoop. You can not depend on people to behave in ways you would expect when they are not punished for behaving badly. If people had been arrested and sent to prison for fraudulently writing bogus MBS documents, they process would have come to a rapid halt. Greed is always a motivation. One of the seven deadly sins. You can count on people to exercise little restraint when the “system” is rigged to the upside.
You don’t need an economics degree to see what motivates people.
Bernanke is part of the Political Class. As a result, to expect him to comprehend what happens on Main Street is to be a dolt.
They put the Islandic bankers in jail.
I see no reason we couldn’t do this in the U.S. We just need to muster the collective political will to reinstate a Rule of Law in the banking system. If it means that heads have to roll at the top ranks of the Fed and the Treasury, I’m all for it.
I will vote for any political candidate who stumps on a platform of cleaning up the corrupt mess that Wall Street is.
‘If man were “Rational”, then Madison Avenue would be out of business.’
Hence the birth of Psychological Economics…
Outside the Box
Sept. 25, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EDT
The biggest losers
Commentary: Learning some hard lessons from the financial crisis
By Howard Gold
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The financial crisis that reached its most critical phase two years ago with the fall of Lehman Brothers had some big winners—in Asia, Latin America, and Scandinavia.
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The countries that have lost the most lived way beyond their means — subsidized by speculative capital or the umbrella of a strong currency (the euro) to give their citizens a lifestyle they hadn’t earned in competitive world markets. Government entitlements grew, along with complacency. Eventually, the merry-go-round stopped and the horses came crashing down.
The biggest losers came from the European periphery, whose worst basket cases — Greece, Ireland, Iceland, and so on — have become to this decade what Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico were to the 1980s and early 1990s. In fact, some of the European walking wounded already have gotten the same kinds of massive international rescue efforts their Asian and Latin American counterparts received back in the day.
It’s a stunning role reversal. “Certainly from a debt perspective, they’re in much worse shape than the emerging markets right now,” says Alexander Young, international equity strategist for Standard & Poor’s Equity Services. “They’re much closer to the ‘crisis countries’ of 10 to 20 years ago than to the emerging markets of today.” Watch video of Ed Yardeni discussing whether Europe can be saved on MoneyShow.com.
So, here’s my list of the biggest losers. Stock-market returns and data on gross domestic product played the biggest role in the rankings, but I also weighed intangibles — the “how the mighty have fallen” factor. There’s no shortage of those.
1.Iceland. Although it’s by far the smallest of the countries on my list, with a population of barely 300,000, none was more devastated by the financial crisis. A magnet for the “party-hardy” crowd, Iceland went on a financial binge, too. Its big banks had big dreams and borrowed heavily to achieve them: Debt ballooned to six or seven times gross domestic product.
When credit disappeared after Lehman fell, Iceland went into cardiac arrest. Its stock market lost 90% of its value, GDP plummeted, and a massive devaluation of its currency, the krona, drove the population’s standard of living down. Britons and others who poured their savings into Icelandic banks also lost their shirts. A criminal investigation continues.
2.Ireland. Remember the Celtic Tiger? Well, she turned out to be a pussycat with a shamrock. Ireland was the hot country of the 2000s as youth from throughout the euro zone flocked there for jobs in finance, software development, restaurants, what have you. When we visited in 2004, Dublin was bustling and full of construction cranes. The impoverished Limerick the late Frank McCourt wrote about so vividly in Angela’s Ashes became a boom town.
That was then. A property bubble burst badly, leaving Irish banks technically insolvent and the government deeply in debt — its ratio of deficit to GDP, at 14.3%, is higher than that of Greece. Policy makers moved quickly to slash spending and shore up the banks, but it wasn’t enough. On Thursday, Irish debt traded at a record 4 percentage points over the equivalent German bonds.
The Irish government pledges to cut more, but you can’t get blood from a blarney stone. Ireland’s stock market, down 36.2% a year since Lehman’s fall and 23.5% annually over the past five years, is the worst in Europe of those tracked by MSCI, Inc. GDP plunged 7.1% last year.
The worst of the worst
Biggest losers from the financial crisis*
country 2-year returns (%) 1-year returns (%) 5-year returns (%)
Ireland -36.17 -28.03 -23.49
Greece -34.81 -48.49 -14.73
Austria -24.17 -15.51 -11.75
Italy -15.38 -18.69 -8.88
Finland -14.46 -9.13 -3.26
Belgium -11.80 0.50 -8.52
Hungary -11.25 1.40 -5.98
Portugal -7.15 -14.97 -1.32
Spain -4.74 -16.97 1.66
Hair-of-the dog hangover cures, backed by “free” (taxpayer-provided) federal guarantees have not yet gone out of fashion in DC.
Sept. 24, 2010, 8:18 p.m. EDT
Securitization used to fix toxic credit unions
$50 billion of toxic securities to be resold with government backing
By Alistair Barr, MarketWatch
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Credit unions are saddled with $50 billion of toxic asset-backed securities that have triggered several failures in this important corner of the U.S. financial system.
The solution, unveiled Friday, is to use a similar securitization approach that caused the problem in the first place. This time though, the securities will be backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government.
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..An ABX index tracking AAA securities backed by subprime mortgages originated in the first half of 2006 fell below 60 by March 2009, suggesting the securities were trading at 60 cents on the dollar. This index now trades just above 88, according to Markit data.
ok.. explain to me how that could happen.
Did the index change the way CDS are tracked, or have these subprime loans performed better than expected.. or what?
“…fell below 60 by March 2009,…”
To my recollection, many of the ABX subprime indexes were trading below 10 by late summer 2007, by the time it was clear to anyone paying attention that the entire U.S. subprime lending industry had gone up in smoke.
“…or have these subprime loans performed better than expected.. or what?”
Have you noticed the massive unprecedented effort by federal government financial authorities (including the Fed) to prop up the value of the underlying collateral (housing prices)? I didn’t think so.
..prop up the value of the underlying collateral (housing prices)
IF prices had risen, I might agree.. but prices fell and are still falling.
If the collateral is worth steadily less and less than when the security was issued, the chances a loan will be repaid do not improve.
For a Credit Default Swap to trade higher, someone has to believe the loans have a better chance of being paid off (less chance of credit default) than they previously believed.
While the value of the collateral might affect people’s ability to repay (re-financing is difficult or easy) it doesn’t speak directly to the loan’s quality.
I think I know what’s happening. Those AAA subprime bonds are proving to really be AAA.
Remember what fried the MBS market. It wasn’t that bad loans were being written.
It was the discovery of some terrible ratings. SOME inaccurate ratings. Not all ratings were wrong, only some. Nobody could be sure of what they were buying, and everyone got spooked. The market froze up.
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as for this good-bank, bad bank thing, it just might work. The “good” credit union is free to do business and make money, eventually pays down the debt. It’s too early for taxpayers to get all worried about it.
“IF prices had risen, I might agree.. but prices fell and are still falling.”
Obviously they would have fallen harder, farther and faster without intervention.
It is obvious, isn’t it Joey?
“Those AAA subprime bonds are proving to really be AAA.”
Totally makes sense, given the Fed’s willingness to prop up markets.
“…as for this good-bank, bad bank thing, it just might work. The “good” credit union is free to do business and make money, eventually pays down the debt. It’s too early for taxpayers to get all worried about it.”
Joey — Did you ever think of doing propaganda work for a living? You truly are a master of the art.
Everything and everyone gets “propped up” when the markets get propped up..
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ok.. so the Fed / government does nothing and the whole system collapses.
There are no markets.
Your ounce of gold is worth something like 4 fresh eggs and a half gallon of milk… if there’s any left by the time you get to the front of the line.
..Obviously they would have fallen harder, farther and faster without intervention.
I have no argument with that.
But unless the value of the collateral rose and now exceeds the amount owed, value ALONE does not improve the chances the loan will be repaid. (with the exception that one might more easily re-fi and thus continue to pay).
So, something else is at work; something that has nothing to do with collateral value.
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I call ‘em the way I see ‘em. People have different views.
This constant moaning about taxpayers are victims here, and taxpayers are being massacred there, when taxpayers haven’t actually lost a dime resembles propaganda as well.
They (TBTF) won’t see the next crisis/collapse either, of course…
Who would hold them responsible anyways?
The sheeple have convincingly demonstrated that while they might fume impotently about the massive Wall Street rip-offs, they will dutifully elect or re-elect the corporatist-appointed, media-annointed Republicrat political whores who make these rip-offs possible. So the TBTF banksters have a license to steal, knowing the Fed has their backs and the Republicrat politicos will provide legistlative top cover. And if the sheeple start bleating too loudly, we can always raise the hemlines on DWTS and distract them into nullity.
And their choices of candidates are…. what?
Sammy, I didn’t realize that Barney Frank, Maxine Walters, Chris Dodd, Franklin Raines, and Johnson were Republicrats ???
It should be entirely clear by now that the Fed operates above any rule of law.
If anyone disagrees with me, then please let me know what laws the Fed is required to follow; I’m sure many readers would also be interested to know how any such laws are monitored and enforced, assuming they even exist.
They ARE the rule. The Golden Rule. He who has the gold, makes the rules.
He who has the fiat currency press, gets to decide whom to bail and whom to throw under the bus.
So much, for “The bailouts were needed to save society”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-25/-black-swan-author-taleb-says-obama-s-stimulus-made-economic-crisis-worse.html
“Today there is a dependency on people who have never been able to forecast anything,” Taleb said.
That must be why you see the word unexpectedly so much.
This article forgets to mention Ben Bernanke. I guess with him and Geithner still in power, the central bankers are fully in charge.
Larry Summers resigns
The brains trust dissolves
All the president’s economic principals are leaving, bar the treasury secretary
Sep 23rd 2010 | Washington, dc
Back to the ivory tower
HISTORIANS may one day label the first two years of Barack Obama’s presidency as the most activist in economic policy of post-war history. For that, credit both circumstance and the star-studded economic team Mr Obama assembled when he took office.
That team is now breaking up. On September 21st Larry Summers, the director of the National Economic Council and the president’s chief economic policy co-ordinator, said he would return to Harvard after the mid-term elections. Christina Romer, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, recently returned to Berkeley. Peter Orszag, the budget director, kicked off the exodus, leaving on July 30th. Washington loves palace intrigue but the reasons for the departures are mainly mundane: they want to get on with their lives. Only Tim Geithner, the treasury secretary, looks set to stay on, a chirpy survivor.
Many will say good riddance. Voters think the stimulus plan didn’t work. Businesses bemoan the overly academic cast of the team and the administration’s interventionist tilt on everything from union-set pay requirements in stimulus spending to the drilling moratorium following BP’s oil spill. Republicans have called for both Mr Summers and Mr Geithner to be sacked.
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Well! We certainly can’t ignore the calls for resignations from the party that, up until 2 years ago, ran things for the last 12 years!
And did such a sterling job, I might add!
Republican political strategy: Trash the economy beyond all recognition, then blame Democratic bagholders for not being able to make the sunken ship float again after just two years in office.
OBwan’s mistake: Underestimating how long it takes to right a sunken ship.
“This sucker’s going down” was certainly a prophetic statement if ever there was one, Georgie Boy.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
Let’s see. The Dems took over the House in 2006 and in May, 2001 controled the Senate or did you forget when Benedict Arnold Jeffords defected May 25, 2001. We then got Little Tim Daschle as Senate majority leader. Bush was a tool for his war cabinet and forgot domestic things. He ran his holy war to validate Bush I’s Gulf War.
If Obama wants to put a CEO in the Treasury Secretary position, perhaps one of Angelo Mozilo, Ken Lewis, Dick Fuld or Jimmy Cayne are still available?
Where Are They Now? Seven Villains of the Financial Crisis
By BRUCE WATSON
Posted 3:01 PM 09/15/10
In 2008, as the economy seemed to be in free-fall, pundits, politicians and the public cast about in search of the ultimate villain, the Wall Street weasel who could assume the blame for massive foreclosures, skyrocketing unemployment, and plummeting stock values. While the disaster was too big to pin on any single schemer, a handful of likely candidates quickly emerged.
Some, like Ken Lewis and Jimmy Cayne, seemed merely inattentive and inept, while others like Angelo Mozilo and Fabrice Tourre appeared to be actively involved in cheating the public. Yet, whether their position was in Wall Street or Washington, the CEOs office or the analyst’s desk, all seven of the people on our list carried some measure of the blame for the events of 2008.
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And yet, all these villains are still fabulously wealthy and getting wealthier.
A good gig for the sociopath.
How the World Works
Wednesday, Sep 22, 2010 11:56 ET
The awesome stupidity of replacing Larry Summers with a CEO
If Obama’s advisors think the president has an “anti-business” problem, they should be fired
By Andrew Leonard
If the Obama administration appoints a corporate executive to replace Larry Summers as National Economic Council director then the White House fully deserves the thumping it will get in November.
The ostensible reason for this colossal misunderstanding of the current political situation, sourced to anonymous adminstration officials, is that the White House wants “to allay the business community’s doubts about administration policies.”
This is nonsense. …
But, but, I though Obama was an anti-business socialist commie Marxist who surrounded himself with pro Wall St. advisers?
That’s what like about neocons. The voices in their head assure them they’re not crazy.
should read “the awesome stupidity of hiring larry summers in the first place”
The metaphor this cancer survivor chose to characterize the nature and effects of Obama’s economic stimulus is most fascinating:
Obama Stimulus Made Economic Crisis Worse, `Black Swan’ Author Taleb Says
By Frederic Tomesco - Sep 25, 2010 7:36 AM PT
U.S. President Barack Obama and his administration weakened the country’s economy by seeking to foster growth instead of paying down the federal debt, said Nassim Nicholas Taleb, author of “The Black Swan.”
“Obama did exactly the opposite of what should have been done,” Taleb said yesterday in Montreal in a speech as part of Canada’s Salon Speakers series. “He surrounded himself with people who exacerbated the problem. You have a person who has cancer and instead of removing the cancer, you give him tranquilizers. When you give tranquilizers to a cancer patient, they feel better but the cancer gets worse.”
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Silence from excretor, Rio, Measton…
More predictable bile from Bile.
Bill
You won’t get any arguement from me that Obama has behaved like a corporatist although probably less so than GW and McCAin would have been. I would have taken over the banks and resold them with all stock holders and bond holders taking it in the shorts. I was against TARP. I think the universal health care bill is a sham, although I strongly support a public option.
I still fall into the keynsian camp as i would use gov to create jobs building infrastructure and improving the energy efficiency of this country. I’d support spending on schools. All things that make our country stronger. I support spending on prisons. I wouldn’t be opposed to tax breaks for the middle class. I’d hit the top 1% with a new tax bracket and rules that force them to pay effective tax rates over 30% instead of the 16% that the top 400 currently pay.
I’d say that paying down the debt during a financial collapse would have been worse for this country and law and order. The time to pay down the debt was when we were running or could have been running a surplus and things were good. ie over the last decade or two. Again what we have in power now are facists (Wall STreet has taken over our gov) and monitarists (The FED).
Well I think this administration talked the talk of using that money to work on the infrastructure, which would provide jobs that I admit are more meaningful. In reality the bureauracy is so corrupt that they waste far more money than they really spend on the directed projects.
For example, in Los Angeles $111 million stimulus was funded to create jobs. Only 55 jobs were created from that program. That is $2 million per job.
Keynesianism may have nearly worked in the 1930s, but it certainly cannot work in the advanced disease of fat cat bureaucracy.
We covered this many times. Most of us here firmly believed the FIRE should have to take it’s medicine, but it was BUSH that went ahead with TARP and then handed the mess to Obama. His last act of pouring gasoline on the FIRE.
You don’t just take the gasoline back.
Sounds more like the promise of ObamaCare than it does the economy.
Just my two cents’ worth.
If people signed a mortgage contract, they should have to honor it, plain and simple. Giving them the advantage of the same low monthly payments that renters get to enjoy along with all the rights and privileges of home ownership would be patently unfair to renters. It would also create a windfall for current owners, by artificially propping up home prices above fundamental levels, and would help keep current renters who might want to some day own a home of their own priced out of the market. I also believe his proposed policy would violate U.S. contract law, but I defer to legal eagles on that question.
Real Estate Weekly
Sept. 24, 2010, 5:27 p.m. EDT
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A recent report from the Center for Economic and Policy Research suggests a different way to address the country’s foreclosure problem: Homeowners facing foreclosure should have the right to rent their home at a fair market price.
“With roughly one in four mortgages underwater, the loan-modification plans put forth so far have done little to help homeowners facing foreclosure,” said Dean Baker, co-director of CEPR and an author of the report, in a news release. The policy would benefit millions and provide many families with housing security, Baker said.
The report compares the savings from renting in 2010 versus the cost of paying a mortgage on a home bought in 2006 or 2007, in 16 major metropolitan areas. It looks at savings both before and after taxes.
View the report at the CEPR website.
“Ordinarily, the gap between owning and renting is not that large.” Baker said. “Due to the enormous run-up in house prices over the housing bubble years, however, ownership costs now vastly exceed rental costs in many of the bubble markets and homeowners in these markets have much to gain from having the opportunity to remain in a home as a renter following a foreclosure.”
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If they can’t afford the mortgage, they can’t afford the rent. The bank isn’t going to give them a discount of any significance worth worrying about.
They need to get out and downsize.
Rent is a lower cost than ownership, something many FB’s could afford, if income stays the same and prices of goods don’t rise.
The goberment as landlord would carry the cost of insurance, maintenance and take the charge for the change-over.
Wouldn’t you suppose so?
Of course it might not work out too well, but since when did that ever stop goberment from doing anything? It’s the ulterior motive that counts, not the thought.
Leave them in their homes and make them make their payments. Don’t let them off the hook! We have to help the banks and MBS holders some more. Screw the FBers.
Your comment makes sense in a stable price environment, but less so when rents are rising and purchase prices are falling (the status quo in many places). Those who bought when prices were at a peak, on a gamble that ‘real estate always goes up,’ should take their losses and move on. I personally don’t want to have to bear the (implicit) price of propping up the value of FB houses, desecrating century’s worth of contract law in the process.
Homeowners facing foreclosure should have the right to rent their home at a fair market price.
by what logic should they have that right?
in the first place you damage the business climate by abrogating a contract. everyone from that point on will have to take into consideration what might be done to them if they lend money on a mortgage.
next, you artificially prop up prices by not requiring that the home go on the market. and i’m guessing that just about nobody here wants prices propped up.
“…by what logic should they have that right?”
Communistic principles.
yes, communistic principles would fit it to a tee.. or is it a tea?
“I personally don’t want to have to bear the (implicit) price of propping up the value of FB houses,”
Me either.
I didn’t say it made sense exactly, it’s just something goberment would do.
/sarc on
As a bonus the goberment could throw in a “cash for houses” plan to reduce the housing supply, hire a bunch of demolition crews, imagine all the job creation from that?
/sarc off.
It’s the new plan, haven’t you seen the new talking points? Replace small businesses with “set up to fail in one year” businesses:
“Here you were thinking that the bad guys were crooked bankers, corrupt pols, and corporate welfare kings. Now comes Market Watch to tell you that the real problem is small business. Yes. Forget all that sentimental stuff about small businesses creating jobs or needing to be given a few breaks…
Actually, says Nutting, small businesses, once they get going, kill more jobs than they create them.”
http://mindbodypolitic.com/2010/09/23/market-watch-small-bi-over-rated-doesnt-create-jobs/#comment-82732
Topic: Corporate scams and rackets
GMAC Mortgage in Hot Water with the Courts.
Courts in 23 states are questioning the foreclosure paperwork of the fourth largest mortgage provider in the country.
by Gene DeNardo
Saturday, September 25, 2010
Twenty three states require mortgage holders to obtain a court order before foreclosure proceedings on defaulted housing loans can begin. These states require a signed and notarized affidavit by an officer of the mortgage company {or holder} in effect swearing that they have witnessed and examined loan documents that prove ownership of the mortgage note and default of payments. GMAC, the fourth largest mortgage lender in the country, has admitted that they have falsely or inadequately filled affidavits in twenty three states.
GMAC was the housing arm of General Motors. Instead of concentrating on improving the quality of their auto division and avoiding intervention by the federal government to save them from liquidation, they thought it might be a good idea to jump into the sub prime housing loan market. It wasn’t. Last year GMAC received 17 billion in funds from the Feds and re branded themselves as Ally Financial. The federal government is now the majority stockholder of Ally.
Jeffery Stephens is one of the document signers for GMAC in Pennsylvania. In a sworn court statement, he admitted to signing up to 10,000 loan documents a month. Although the courts require the documents to be thoroughly studied and verified in the presence of a notary, he admitted to barely scanning the name of the foreclosed party and a few other minor details. There is serious doubt that they were ever notarized at the same time and there is question as to whether the notarization was forged.
There are 160 hours in a four week workweek. That would give us 9600 minutes, over one signature a minute. The guy was fast. Apparently, these “robo signers” are prevalent in the industry. This may be only the tip of the iceberg.
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Thank god corporations are over-regulated or this could have been a lot worse!
Since mortgage lending is in the doldrums, I guess only deep-pocket flippers armed with superlow-rate Fed funds are buying these days?
US mortgage loan demand falls
By Alan Rappeport in New York
Published: September 22 2010 14:58 | Last updated: September 22 2010 14:58
Demand for home loans in the US fell last week, with refinancing and purchasing declining as the housing market continues to wobble.
The Mortgage Bankers Association said on Wednesday that mortgage loan volume fell by 1.4 per cent last week, dropping to its lowest level in six weeks. Purchases were off by 3.3 per cent and refinancing fell by 0.9 per cent.
Mortgage applications have fallen for three weeks running.
The Federal Reserve said on Tuesday that home construction remains “depressed” as it described a slowing economic recovery.
Interest rates on 30-year fixed rate mortgages fell to 4.44 per cent from 4.7 per cent, MBA said. The 4.43 per cent rate reached last month was the lowest in more than 30 years.
However, in spite of such low rates refinancing increased to account for 81.1 per cent of total applications, up from 80.5 per cent the week before.
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Costs too high to build, developers say
HOUSING: August permit activity second-lowest since records kept
By ERIC WOLFF - ewolff@nctimes.com North County Times - Californian | Posted: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:50 pm
San Diego County house builders applied for 76 permits in August, the second fewest in 22 years, according to data from an industry group.
August permit applications fell 52.5 percent from July and 23 percent from August 2009, according to the Construction Industry Review Board, a building industry nonprofit. In February 2009, builders applied for 73 permits, the lowest such figure since the board started keeping track in 1988.
“While this might be a great time to buy a house, it’s not a great time to build a house because it’s not cost-effective,” said Matt Adams, head of government affairs for the Building Industry Association of San Diego.
Construction of apartment complexes showed some improvement, as builders applied to build 141 units of apartment buildings, way up from the 6 units applied for in August 2009. The August numbers bring the 2010 total to 985 apartments, up 26 percent from the same period in 2009.
The new numbers may reflect renewed interest in San Diego County’s apartment market. The price per unit reached $148,000 in the spring, up 26 percent from the 2008 bottom.
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house builders applied for 76 permits in August..
“applied for”? I’d wonder how many were actually granted, and exactly who signed off on it. Then I’d investigate them for some sort of kickbacks or collusion..
Why would they grant ANY permits for new homes…
What a maroon…the abysmal scientific ignorance of backwoods America is an increasing source of embarrassment on the world stage.
September 25, 2010 8:24 AM
Christine O’Donnell Clip: “Evolution Is a Myth”
Christine O’Donnell in an appearance on “Politically Correct” from 1998.
After last week’s viral video clip in which the Republican Senatorial nominee from Delaware spoke of having “dabbled into witchcraft,” Bill Maher lobbed another blast from Christine O’Donnell’s past on his show last night.
In a clip from the Oct. 15, 1998 episode of his old ABC series, “Politically Incorrect,” O’Donnell is shown saying “Evolution is a myth.”
When Maher challenged her to justify the anti-science statement, O’Donnell says, “Well, then why aren’t monkeys still evolving into humans?”
Last week Maher said that he would air more clips of O’Donnell from his old show until she agreed to come onto his HBO series, “Real Time.”
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Three Obamanomics tsars down, one to go (not counting Big Ben).
Price again calls on Summers, Geithner to resign
* September 22nd, 2010 7:06 pm ET
A day after White House National Economic Council Director Larry Summers said he is leaving his post at the end of the year, a Congressman from Georgia called for his immediate resignation.
U.S. Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., on Wednesday reiterated his call for Summers and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner to step down from their posts.
“Economists say the recession officially ended in June 2009, yet we’ve continued to shed jobs and the unemployment rate has climbed in the past fifteen months of so-called recovery,” Price said in a statement. “Even the President’s economic team says they do not expect unemployment to leave the 10 percent range any time soon. Yet they stubbornly refuse to admit failure or consider better ideas to encourage hiring and investment.
“Geithner and Summers both need to resign immediately,” Price added. “The American people cannot afford one more day of the President’s failed economic strategy. It’s time to wipe the slate clean and find people who actually know what it takes to survive and thrive in the private sector.”
Price first called for Summers’ and Geithner’s resignations last month.
Pardon my lapse into disestablishmentarianism, but may the top leaders of both U.S. political parties burn in Hell.
Financial bailout chief announces resignation
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER (AP) – 3 days ago
WASHINGTON — Herb Allison, the head of the government’s $700 billion financial bailout program, announced on Wednesday that he would resign. He is the latest in a series of departures from President Barack Obama’s economic team.
Allison, who had served as head of the bailout program since April 2009, said in a letter to colleagues at the Treasury Department that they had accomplished a great deal and helped to stabilize the financial system.
The Troubled Asset Relief Program, the formal name for the bailout program that began during President George W. Bush’s administration, has been widely criticized by the public as a rescue for wealthy bankers who took extraordinary risks.
Allison will be succeeded as head of the program by Tim Massad, 54, who will become acting assistant Treasury secretary for financial stability while the administration looks for a permanent successor.
Before joining government, Massad had been a partner for 17 years at the New York City law firm of Cravath, Swaine & Moore.
Allison’s resignation is the latest departure from the administration’s economic team, which has been under fire from Republicans in Congress and many voters. Peter Orszag, Obama’s budget director, and Christina Romer, head of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, departed in recent weeks. The White House announced Tuesday that Lawrence Summers, the president’s top economist, would leave at the end of this year.
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is the only member of Obama’s top-tier economic advisers to remain with the administration. There was speculation that Obama might turn to a corporate executive to replace Summers as a way to deflect criticism that the administration is antibusiness.
With unemployment remaining stuck at painfully high levels, Democrats are bracing for heavy losses in the upcoming congressional elections.
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This is beautiful. So long as the U.S. has a functioning fiat money press and many unemployed construction workers, it makes sense to take stock of our enduring iconic natural treasures and refurbish them for future generations.
Friday, September 24, 2010
A new direction for St. Louis Arch
St. Louis Arch grounds redesign
The St. Louis Arch is set to get a facelift of sorts. A design jury in St. Louis awarded the multi-million-dollar contract to a New York design firm. Their charge — undo decades of bad infrastructure planning and transform the Arch into a world-class tourist destination. Adam Allington reports.
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I can explain what’s going on in the housing market in a word:
IT’S FUBAR.
Friday, September 24, 2010
What’s going on in the housing market?
Sales of new single-family homes were flat last month. And the supply of houses on the market reached a 42-year low. Reporter Alisa Roth talks with Steve Chiotakis about the latest housing numbers and whether Americans are moving away from home ownership.
This home is available in Miami, Fla. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
STEVE CHIOTAKIS: Sales of new single-family homes were flat last month. And the supply of houses on the market reached a 42-year low. Earlier this week, we heard builders were starting more new homes. But most of those were multi-family, as in apartments, not single family. Marketplace’s Alisa Roth is with us live from New York to tell us what’s going on. Good morning, Alisa.
ALISA ROTH: Good morning.
CHIOTAKIS: So what is going on in the housing market?
ROTH: Well, I hate to say this, but it’s hard to know. It’s certainly better than it was, say, last year. But it’s certainly not in great shape. I talked to Sam Chandan this morning. He’s chief economist at Real Analytics, which is a real estate research firm. He says people are still scared.
SAM CHANDAN: Americans are still seeing that the outlook for the economy is fairly weak. We’re certainly not creating jobs in a way that would allow people make the transition from renting to home ownership.
He also made the point that yes, mortgage rates are unbelievably low. But since it seems like housing prices are going to stay low for a while, too, nobody’s in a big hurry to buy.
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She is certainly uncertain.
Thanks to Professor DeLong for helping to avoid the whitewashing of recent history.
Citigroup’s View of the Obama Administration in February 2009…
On 25 February 2009, Ryan O’Connell and Jerry Dorost of Citigroup’s research arm wrote an “Industry Flash” about Obama Administration banking policy:
New Treasury Stress Test Guidelines Do Not Appear Onerous
*Treasury’s plan appears relatively bank-friendly and investor-friendly — The Treasury has released guidelines for new stress tests for the largest US banks and the terms for the banks to issue convertible preferred securities to the government to address any capital shortfalls. The Treasury’s announcement indicates, in our opinion, that the US government is following a relatively bank- friendly, investor-friendly approach.
* Treasury’s goal is to increase banks’ capital — We think that several banks may need to increase their capital because of the new stress test. However, the Treasury’s goal, in our view, is to increase banks’ capital while minimizing the amount and duration of any government’s direct ownership of common stock.
* Stress scenarios do not seem onerous or draconian to us — The guidelines require the banks to estimate their potential losses under a baseline scenario and a “more adverse” scenario for a two-year period. These scenarios do not seem onerous or draconian to us; indeed, they appear fairly close to the scenarios that JP Morgan discussed this week when it announced its dividend cut. We think that most banks may be using similar assumptions in running their own stress tests.
* Emphasis on common equity — The Treasury did not set a target equity ratio and said that it was not imposing a new capital standard, while pointing out that common equity should be the “dominant” component of Tier 1 capital. We interpret this statement to mean that common equity should be at least half of Tier 1, which would indicate a ratio of tangible common equity to risk weighed assets of 3%, although it could be somewhat higher (i.e., 4%). Although the banks and regulators will discuss the stress tests, the Treasury made it clear that bank regulators would determine the amount of equity capital that banks need.
Today–nineteen months after this document was written–it is of historical interest only: none of Citigroup’s paying clients would pay a cent for the information contained in it, for nobody could in any way profitably trade today on Citigroup’s February 2009 analysis of the policies of the Geithner Treasury.
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Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, Professor Martha Focker. Now if we could only get Ben and Tim to relinquish their posts, perhaps we could get on with the work of jailing the perpetrators at Megabank, Inc, and reinstitute a rule of law in the banking system.
I can’t begin to express the depths of disdain I feel for those who perpetrated, then legitimized, this financial disaster. May they all justifiably burn in Hell.
Great Recession
Saturday, Sep 25, 2010 11:01 ET
War Room
The Larry Summers hall of shame
By Maxwell Strachan
This week’s announcement that Larry Summers will be stepping down as director of President Obama’s National Economic Council may have been most notable for the passionate reaction it prompted from his critics. “Good riddance,” wrote the Progressive’s Matthew Rothschild, adding that “Summers has a resume of disaster.”
The outpouring shouldn’t have been surprising. If nothing else, Summers, in his stints at Harvard, the World Bank and in two presidential administrations, has emerged as an accomplished lightning rod for controversy. As he prepares to decamp Washington for Harvard Yard — he’s going to be a professor — we remember the 10 most shameful moments that Larry has brought us.
10. Asking Chris Dodd to remove post-recession caps on executive pay…
9. Gambling away $1 billion of Harvard’s money…
8. Pushing for regime change in Indonesia…
7. Joking about dumping first-world waste in third-world countries…
6. Bailing out white-collar criminals…
5. Blaming the California energy crisis on excessive regulation…
4. Vehemently opposing regulation of the derivatives markets…
3. Ragging on unemployment insurance…
2. Advising Bill Clinton against signing the Kyoto Protocol…
1. Lobbying for the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act…
Really?:
Market Watch: Small Biz Over-rated, Doesn’t Create Jobs
http://mindbodypolitic.com/2010/09/23/market-watch-small-bi-over-rated-doesnt-create-jobs/#comment-82732
Serious question: Has there ever, in the course of economic history, been a more predictable ongoing crash than that of U.S. housing? If it weren’t so fascinating to watch it play out in perpetuity, I would be seriously bored by the predictability of the situation.
Sept. 24, 2010, 3:51 p.m. EDT
In charts: What we learned about the economy
By Steve Goldstein, MarketWatch
Existing-home sales improve…
First, the good news on the housing front, or least not as bad news: existing-home sales rose 7.6% in August. As impressive as that percentage sounds, it comes after a 27% nosedive in July…
It’s too bad that Volcker is two years older than my old, tired, retired dad, as he may be the only man with the will and integrity to restore trust in the U.S. banking system. May God grant him strength and perseverance!
It’s high time for meaningful (as opposed to sham Dodd-Frank) financial reform. The alternative may well be a collapse of the U.S. government.
Volcker Blasts Banksters, Financial System in Impromptu Speech at Chicago Fed
By: David Dayen Friday September 24, 2010 10:03 am
I wish Paul Volcker had a late-night show like Stephen Colbert so this speech could get the same kind of attention:
Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker scrapped a prepared speech he had planned to deliver at the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago on Thursday, and instead delivered a blistering, off-the-cuff critique leveled at nearly every corner of the financial system.
Standing at a lectern with his hands in his pockets, Volcker moved unsparingly from banks to regulators to business schools to the Fed to money-market funds during his luncheon speech.
He praised the new financial overhaul law, but said the system remained at risk because it is subject to future “judgments” of individual regulators, who he said would be relentlessly lobbied by banks and politicians to soften the rules.
“This is a plea for structural changes in markets and market regulation,” he said at one point.
Wow.
I was talking to someone recently who worked for Volcker at the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board during the financial reform bill debate, and he told me that basically, despite the meager stature of that office, there were several times during the negotiations when Volcker would slip into Washington unannounced and go from office to office in Congress to present the facts and protect his priorities in the bill. And then, bankster lobbyists would go into those same offices and the representatives, armed with actual information, would tell them, “Yeah, but Volcker said…”
The man has gravitas. And in his advanced age, he’s using it to rip the banksters a new one. Now you will never hear from these whiners that Paul Volcker is anti-business; they would rather deflect that over to Obama. But it’s Volcker, and certainly not Obama, making the most direct critiques of the crime spree they call their business practices. Here are just a couple of his observations:
Banking — Investment banks became “trading machines instead of investment banks [leading to] encroachment on the territory of commercial banks, and commercial banks encroached on the territory of others in a way that couldn’t easily be managed by the old supervisory system.”
Financial system — “The financial system is broken. We can use that term in late 2008, and I think it’s fair to still use the term unfortunately. We know that parts of it are absolutely broken, like the mortgage market which only happens to be the most important part of our capital markets [and has] become a subsidiary of the U.S. government.”
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I had lunch with Mr. Volcker once. He had gravitas even over a casual meal. In 2006 I tried to get him to reply to a few questions we on the HBB posed, but by then he was already gearing up politically and I guess didn’t want to bother replying. I should have liked to hear some of his replies.
Investment Banking
Bearish on Wall Street, Bullish on Goldman
September 24, 2010, 2:13 pm
Nelson D. Schwartz, a DealBook colleague, reports:
Reality is finally kicking in for the analysts who cover Wall Street. With less than a week left before the third quarter ends on Sept. 30, it’s clear the pickup in activity recently won’t make up for the trading drought in July and August.
So each day brings more reductions in earnings estimates for Wall Street’s goliaths, including Goldman Sachs. A week ago, analysts were looking for Goldman to earn $3.33 — as of today, the consensus is down to $3.03.
On Thursday, Richard Bove, who has been bearish on Goldman’s third quarter for a while, weighed in:
It is typical for analysts who follow brokerage stocks to wait for the very end of a quarter before they publish their final estimates for that quarter. That being the case, it is likely that in the next few days there will be a series of estimate cuts on Goldman Sachs. My estimate, established a month ago, is about $1.00 per share below consensus.
A day earlier, Michael Carrier of Deutsche Bank slashed his third quarter number for Goldman to $1.95 a share, from $3.
What’s surprising, however, is that Mr. Bove and Mr. Carrier, like many analysts, remain bullish on Goldman’s shares.
Mr. Bove rates the stock a buy, with a target price of $169. While the stock usually trades lower amid downward earnings revisions, he thinks this time might be different, “The reason is that an impressive backlog is now building in both new issues and acquistions.”
Mr. Bove added: “It appears that the first half of 2011 could be quite strong. Plus, the year-over-year operating earnings comparisons could be unusually good at that time. Investors might focus on that possibility rather than the problematic third quarter.”
Mr. Carrier is even more optimistic about Goldman’s stock, putting a $200 price target on the bank — Goldman’s stock is currently at just over $147 a share.
Goldman reports results on Oct. 19th — but expect the consensus to keep dropping as more analysts throw in the towel on the quarter, if not the stock.
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Saw this tonight, and was delighted and amazed at the number of favorite HBB topics from years gone by that were covered: moral hazard, too-big-to-fail, bailouts, etc. It is amazing how only a few short years ago, Big Hank Paulson was saying, in effect, “Just don’t call it a bailout,” and the subjects of moral hazard and too-big-to-fail were primarily limited to discussion in the blogosphere. Thanks to Oliver Stone for immortalizing this episode in financial history on the silver screen.
Now if we could just get on with the real-world version of those perp walks!
Wall Street, the sequel
Goldman whacked
Egged on by hedge funds, Oliver Stone turns on Goldman Sachs
Sep 16th 2010 | New York
Dinner jackets are for wimps
TWENTY-THREE years after he first championed greed, Gordon Gekko is back. Michael Douglas reprises his role as the slick-haired financial barbarian in Oliver Stone’s “Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps”, due for release on September 24th.
Half-reformed after prison, Gekko is more anti-hero than villain this time. He is still dazzled by lucre, but also determined to give warning of the dangers of excessive leverage. The real baddies are Bretton James and the securities firm he runs, Churchill Schwartz—perhaps the least disguised fictional name ever. Executives at Goldman Sachs are said to be unamused.
James, played by Josh Brolin, is nothing like Goldman’s top brass. He wields phallic cigars, races superbikes and smashes his copy of Goya’s “Saturn Devouring His Son” on a lamp when fingered for manipulating the share price of a rival firm.
But the script is sprinkled with echoes of Goldman: Churchill Schwartz bets against markets that it makes, including subprime mortgages; its credit-default swaps are bailed out at par; and it has friends at the Treasury. An exposé of the firm, written by Jake Moore, a disillusioned prop trader and the film’s central character, begins: “The first thing you need to know about Churchill Schwartz is that it’s everywhere.” A damning Rolling Stone article on Goldman in 2009 opened with precisely those words, the name apart.
As the financial crisis unfolded, the story was reworked to cast Goldman in a more nefarious light. In the original version, the villain was a hedge-fund manager. But script advisers from the financial world persuaded Mr Stone that an investment banker would be more realistic, since it was banks and securities firms, not “alternative” money managers, that had blown up the system.
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