October 28, 2010

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-10-28 02:28:33

Its early, Let the fraud begin for the day. There are bonuses to “earn”.

Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-10-28 07:58:01

Bank of America Pricked in Fed Bailout Farce
Bloomberg

So now we know what it takes for the Federal Reserve to show an interest in rooting out fraud at a too-big-to-fail bank. The Fed must decide that the Fed itself has been defrauded.

Borrowers? Depositors? They can protect themselves. Heaven help a bailed-out bank unlucky enough to be discovered servicing some of the Fed’s junky mortgage bonds, though. Good cops know a victim when they see one. The Fed knows a victim when it is one.

The Fed isn’t acting in its capacity as a regulator. It’s exercising its rights as an investor protecting its own pecuniary interests and, by extension, those of taxpayers. The two roles don’t mix well.

Consider the argument the Fed was making a year ago when asked to explain why it didn’t demand concessions from any of AIG’s counterparties after the Fed bailed out the insurance company. Those would be the banks, such as Goldman Sachs Group Inc., that got paid 100 cents on the dollar for credit-default swaps AIG had sold them.

Demanding they accept less than that “would have been a misuse of our supervisory authority to further a private purpose in a commercial transaction,” the New York Fed’s general counsel, Thomas Baxter, told the Troubled Asset Relief Program’s inspector general in a November 2009 joint letter with the Federal Reserve Board’s general counsel, Scott Alvarez.

Perhaps the Fed could argue it had no legal grounds two years ago to seek concessions from AIG’s customers, but that its claims now against Bank of America are solid.

It’s a classic Catch-22. If the Fed exercises its rights as an investor, it undermines its credibility as a supervisor. If it doesn’t, it’s abandoning its duty to minimize taxpayers’ losses. This shows why the Fed shouldn’t be allowed to hold mortgage-backed securities of this kind in the first place.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 08:39:48

“If the Fed exercises its rights as an investor, it undermines its credibility as a supervisor.”

Too many hats?

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-10-28 09:28:12

At least one of them is an asshat.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-10-28 09:30:18

conflict of interest

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 13:23:04

By design, not by accident…

 
 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2010-10-28 18:25:18

Join with Ron Paul. END THE FED. This unconstitutional organization of banking cartels has robbed the American People for long enough. 97 years of stealing should be way too long for any people to withstand. It is unfortunate that the American people and their representatives really don’t understand what the FED does and how it operates. It’s the greatest Ponzi scheme ever devised, and those its agents should be prosecuted as criminals, no one dares rise up against them for they fear the result.
Let’s rise up and Kill this phoney cartel.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 19:06:04

What does Ron Paul propose as a substitute for our current central bank? You can’t just tear down the walls of the Fed without a viable substitute. And how do you know whatever follows the Fed won’t be a worse situation than the status quo?

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Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-10-28 21:52:06

Substitute gold and silver coinage (And various paper backed notes, of course), just as the Constitution of the United States stipulates. No problem. Just pick up from today. It wouldn’t be a disaster.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 03:17:20

Wells Fargo erred in thousands of foreclosures

WASHINGTON — Wells Fargo admitted Wednesday it made mistakes in the paperwork for thousands of foreclosure cases and promised to fix them.

The San Francisco-based bank said it plans to refile documents in 55,000 of the cases by mid-November. The company said not all those cases included errors but didn’t say how many thousands did.

Wells Fargo described the mistakes as technical and said it has no plans to halt the foreclosure process, though filing new paperwork will cause some delays.

“We don’t believe that there are instances in which the foreclosures would not have occurred otherwise,” said Teri Schrettenbrunner, a Wells Fargo spokeswoman. The documents are being refiled in the 23 states where a judge’s approval is needed to complete a foreclosure.

Comment by peter a
2010-10-28 07:05:17

What percent of that will they recover in REO sales. That is a big loss for them. Oh wait a big loss for the tax payer.

Comment by mikeinbend
2010-10-28 08:52:43

Bofa has postponed all trustee sales in OR, thru Recontrust(rhymes with wecantrust), 11-1 thru 11-14. Don’t know why, as they are supposedly foreclosing in earnest. They are evidently re-evaluating every two weeks, and postponing sales where appropriate. But all real estate is local, as Ben is busy doing fiveclosures on Bofa houses in AZ(according to Ben–credible source extraordinaire!).

Packing our boxes(with popcorn),
One F’d b

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 12:55:46

“Re-con.” As in “conned again!”

Too funny. I’ve often said that sometimes, all you have to do is look at the names.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 03:21:19

Banks May Face $97 Billion Loss From Mortgage Mess
CNBC

Banks and other mortgage lenders could be on the hook for at least $97 billion because of the poor and possibly illegal handling of mortgages that surfaced during the current foreclosure mess, according to mortgage securities specialists.

The specialists—representatives from law firms and mortgage backed securities traders—told a gathering of prominent hedge funds in New York Wednesday that a wave of so-called putbacks was coming from these problematic home loans.

Putbacks occur when investors in mortgage-backed securities return individual home loans whose nature or handling violated their original terms to the companies who issued them—forcing those issuers to repurchase the loans at par.

Comment by dude
2010-10-28 04:42:29

97 billion is chump change for “banks”, especially those with access to TTT cash.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-10-28 08:38:21

I prefer to call them BBB’s: Ben Bernanke Bucks. It’s got a nice ring to it, and makes a perverse kind of sense, since they are doing their best to turn the dollar into BBB quality (e.g. barely investment grade).

Comment by oxide
2010-10-28 09:05:56

Big Barrels of Bull?

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Comment by taxpayers
2010-10-28 05:05:54

don’t worry bama and crew will save them=japan

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-10-28 05:11:34

“So, if we somehow manage to squeeze this money out of the banks, what will we do with it?”

“We can invest it in something without so much fraud, manipulation and deception. I’m thinking commodities.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 08:30:41

I was thinking negative bonus payments. Maybe if bonus payments were smaller, honest people would be attracted back into banking?

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-10-28 16:48:42

How about negative salaries and pension plans for govt employee unions..

maybe if pensions got smaller we might attract teachers who had some skill, cared about teaching the kids, and weren’t in it just for the money.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 05:46:03

“Banks May Face $97 Billion Loss From Mortgage Mess”

In the event these losses stick, is there any way Americans who don’t work in the banking sector could ensure these charges be subtracted from the bonus pools of the banks involved in the mortgage mess (e.g. JP Morgan, GMAC, BofA, Wells Fargo, etc), rather than socialized through bailouts?

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-10-28 10:45:09

Mozilo is suffering a 64million dollar loss by security penalty against his 600 or more million dollar ill-gotten gain while his employees were wiped out .Further the losses on CountyWide junk loans were on 85% of their
loan bundles while for a time they made 1 in 5 loans in America .

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-10-28 11:49:19

Whoever made the decision to offer Mozillo that deal should be fired and investigated. Mozillo should have been stripped of all his wealth, and imprisoned for the rest of his life for treason alone.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 13:27:01

Seems like the administration of justice objective in the financial sector is to provide incentives for fraud, no?

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Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-10-28 22:02:12

Layerese is is so annoying and debilitating. A avalnanch of lawyerese speak will destroy us all, except for the actual lawyers of course. Who are these “lawyers” anyway? Are they Muslims?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 03:43:28

Foreclosure activity up across most US metro areas
Report: Most large US metro areas saw rise in foreclosure warnings between July-September

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The foreclosure crisis intensified across a majority of large U.S. metropolitan areas this summer, with Chicago and Seattle — cities outside of the states that have shouldered the worst of the housing downturn — seeing a sharp increase in foreclosure warnings.

California, Nevada, Florida and Arizona remain the nation’s foreclosure hotbeds, accounting for 19 of the top 20 metropolitan areas with the highest foreclosure rates between July and September, foreclosure listing firm RealtyTrac Inc. said Thursday.

Those states saw housing values surge during the housing boom years. When the boom ended, values collapsed and foreclosures soared.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 12:58:28

Did the article have any comparison to previous years?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 03:44:30

“Fiat money in the US is in an advanced stage of decomposition, and when money rots the whole social, economic and political structure of the nation rots with it. A return to sound money is urgent.”

~Hugo S. Price

Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 03:52:40

I see the price of gold has dropped a bit over the past several weeks accompanied by a diminished number of posts by the gold bugs.

Funny how that is if you think about it for a bit.

If the price of gold was such a good buy when its price was shooting up to new highs then it should be even a BETTER BUY now that its price has dropped back a bit. But I don’t see a lot ot posts popping up here lately talking about how wonderful gold is as an investment now that the price is going down; I only see those posts flood in when the price is going up.

Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-10-28 04:34:42

Gold has been a great investment, though I’m not sure I’d recommend buying it now. At this stage silver seems to be a better buy / investment.

 
Comment by dude
2010-10-28 04:45:17

You are right about that cash boy, and it is a better buy now than last week, if your purpose is preservation of spending power over a 5-10 year time frame. Nobody who has steadily purchased gold over the last 5, 10, 15, or 20 years is sorry that they did.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 04:53:13

Less people are bragging about how much their house is worth these days. Greed loves company.

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-10-28 05:12:25

“Less people are bragging about how much their house is worth these days. Greed loves company.”

I am running into a lot of people bragging about not having paid their mortgage in 2 years or more though.

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Comment by mikey
2010-10-28 07:32:54

I am running into a lot of neighbors and local business people and professionals on my street saying my that I stole my house with this short sale and it was worth 100k more a couple of years ago. Yeah right.

I just bite my tounge, smile and figure that I still paid at least 20-25k too much at the short sale closing due to current market trends and these kind folk are merely flattering themselves and whats left of their own over-rated and over-priced shack’s equity.

mikey, riff-raff extrodinaire and common shack thief is here now and your property values are really gonna crash baby !!

:)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-10-28 08:08:01

“I am running into a lot of people bragging about not having paid their mortgage in 2 years or more though.”

I have yet to meet anyone who will admit to not paying their mortgage.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-10-28 08:55:22

Mikey, the house probably was worth 100k more a couple of years ago. Now, not so much. You could just as easily accuse the people who were SELLING two years ago of stealing from the people they were selling to. But it’s just as silly to insist that people should have sold for less than they could get then as is to be angry that people aren’t willing to pay extra now. The reality is that there haven’t been any gun toting toughs forcing buyer or sellers to sign, either now or two years ago.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-10-28 09:35:50

Mikey, the people in my neighborhood still think I ’stole’ our house, too. There was a short period when things were looking even bleaker in our neighborhood where they were saying “don’t worry, prices will recover”, but that was short lived. Prices popped back up a bit (not to bubble prices, just reversed some of the big decline) and now they’re all convinced every house that goes on sale is ‘a steal’ at 20% off the bubble pricing.

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-10-28 13:35:23

I know someone who is going through foreclosure. So typically is what happens is:
bank asks for paperwork, paperwork is sent, bank loses it.
OR
Wrong paperwork deliberately sent

Upshot — long, drawn out process and lots of living payment free.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-10-28 05:50:16

I see more “cash 4 gold” signs and commericials than ever. The elf-costume count is way high.

 
Comment by mariner22
2010-10-28 07:06:34

Let see gold has gone down from 1370 to 1335, a 2.5% drop. If Apple dropped 2.5% ($7.65) would anyone even notice? If Bank of America dropped 2.5% (30 cents) would anyone care?

I’m looking for a much bigger drop in gold with disappointment of the Nov 3 QE2 announcement - then it is time to buy some more.

Of course if the Street gets their way and the Fed “survey” of primary dealers results in a $4 trillion QE2 program then gold won’t go down.

Does anyone really think you can print trillions of dollars without devaluating your currency? So what if the velocity of money right now is low, eventually it filters out into the economy - currently the leak is the bonuses and profits of the banks. Great for Tiffany not so good for Walmart.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-10-28 08:02:49

They’re really expecting $4T? I thought $2T was what they were hoping for.

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Comment by michael
2010-10-28 10:14:02

gold goes from 400 bucks to 1,370…with folks claiming deflation the entire time.

then it goes from 1,370 to 1,335 and the deflationist say…see…we were right!

comical.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 13:42:23

I for one do not think gold dropping 2% in $ price is proof of anything, nor do I think it going up in price was proof that there was inflation. I do think that a lot more $ denominated assets have been destroyed than the Fed has pumped into the system. They are saving a select few asset holders, not the whole. Some are getting sugar plums but the pie is shrinking.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 16:50:17

“I do think a lot more $ demoninated assets have been destroyed than the Fed has pumped into the system.”

And a LOT more $ denominated assets are in line to be destroyed as much-promised money is defaulted on.

Does ANYONE HERE REALLY BELIEVE that all the money promised to the millions of soon-to-be-retiring baby-boomers will be paid to them? If so, then please tell me just where is all this money going to come from?

If the promised money is not forthcoming then the projected spending will not be forthcoming, and the projected tax revenues from this projected spending will not be forthcoming, and that means the various governments will REMAIN BROKE and will have to cut back even more of their employees which will mean even less spending. And so forth.

 
 
 
Comment by butters
2010-10-28 07:58:36

I wouldn’t call myself a godl bug but I have collected few when it was in 800-900 range. I hope it goes further down so I can buy more. I want to look like Mr T. That’s my only goal in life.

The Mohawk, however is a whole different story……

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-10-28 13:08:50

I started selling off some of my gold and platinum. I’m going to buy in the dips, but I also have decided to rebalance.

10% is my asset allocation. Jon Nadler of Kitco.com is a proponent of 10%. Very reasonable, IMO.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-10-28 13:36:48

If the price of gold was such a good buy when its price was shooting up to new highs then it should be even a BETTER BUY now that its price has dropped back a bit.

How did you feel about it when it was at $600 an ounce?

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-10-28 19:16:22

At $600/oz I was glad to see my position was up 5%.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 04:17:21

The “advanced state of decomposition” of fiat money should come as a relief to those who are suffering from a wage cut or the losing of their jobs in that the money the were being paid was really not worth all that much to begin with.

Now they have been released from the trap of fiat rot they are free to seek true wealth and happiness elsewhere.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 04:57:59

“true wealth”

Needing less than what one has. Impossible for the insatiable, in any denomonation.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-10-28 05:51:22

Do you ever get out to the track at Watkins Glen? Best road-course in the US.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 06:40:39

I like to see the classics run on the old track, through town, once a year. Nascar, not so much.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-10-28 07:33:06

Nascar sux, couldn’t agree more. Talking about sports cars -HSR, Grand-Am, Rolex, SCCA, etc. Beautiful area where you live, must be awesome this time of year.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-10-28 08:58:36

NASCAR–You know, I just don’t understand why they insist on bolting a farby plastic family car body onto a perfectly reasonable race car. Heck, under the car of the future rules, they don’t even imitate the shape of a particular car, only the decals distinguish a Ford from a Chevy.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-10-28 08:46:25

“true wealth”

“Needing less than what one has.”

Well said, Blue. I generally think of wealth as a ratio of have to want. You can be rich either by having a lot, or wanting not much.

He is wealthy, not who has most, but who wants least.

Accumulated wealth can be stolen by the Fed; lack of desire cannot.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-10-28 10:01:46

“true wealth”

“Needing less than what one has.”

Well said, Blue. I generally think of wealth as a ratio of have to want. You can be rich either by having a lot, or wanting not much.

He is wealthy, not who has most, but who wants least.

Accumulated dollars can be stolen by the Fed; lack of desire cannot.

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Comment by In Montana
2010-10-28 06:00:42

I dunno, thinking about selling some SIL today.

Comment by cactus
2010-10-28 08:39:14

I bought some PCG yesterday

I sold all my NEM PAAS a year ago way early as usual

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-10-28 10:03:22

Whoo-hoo, 24 spot for eagles..

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-10-28 06:26:09

I don’t know if you can call it a Ponzi/Sammy scheme. Is it a scheme? Yes. Is the Fed monetizing the governments debt. Yes. Is the government hoping to pay back some of the debt (most will be rolled over and over again) with cheaper dollars at some later date. Absolutely. Will we have inflation in the coming years as a result? You betcha! That’s how governments default on their debts without actually defaulting. It saves face.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-10-28 04:22:16

Mortgage Mess Could Hit Banks, Housing
By Don Bauder | Published Wednesday, Oct. 27, 2010

more bank woes and another housing dip may be inevitable.

So what is Washington doing? Trying to create another bubble — this one in the stock market. The logic seems to be that giddiness caused the calamity so more giddiness will straighten it out.

The Obama administration has done wonders for Wall Street in the short term at the expense of the nation for the longer term. There is nothing like flooding the market with money to get stock prices up.” Long term, inflation is a worry.

More banking and housing misery is probably coming, and one reason is that people are getting smart about foreclosures. Taking advantage of mortgages’ legal limbo, those who owe more on their home than it is worth are not making their mortgage payments. “If you are upside down on your home and delinquent on your mortgage, why would you pay?” says Davis. “Just ride it out rent-free for as long as possible.”

Says Lipper, “The lawyers are going to have a long feast, and banks will take significant losses.” As legal and administrative costs pile up, “sooner or later, the banks will have to sell [bank-owned] homes at much lower prices. It is inevitable that residential property values will decline significantly, and that will put increased pressures on states and municipalities that depend on real estate as a tax base.”

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/oct/27/city-light-mortgage-banks-housing/ - -

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-10-28 07:36:15

“Mortgage Mess Could Hit Banks, Housing”

Why would the mortgage mess hit the banks? What did they have to do with it? Haven’t we already established they too big to implicate?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 08:41:40

“The logic seems to be that giddiness caused the calamity so more giddiness will straighten it out.”

That is exactly how a hair-of-the-dog hangover cure is supposed to work!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 04:36:11

From Columbia,S.C. Stores around here already have their cheap plastic blow up X-Mas decorations up. They are chalk full of pure crap from China. I know in our area the rubes will line up and fight for some must have junk toy at the last minute. Never fails, they are very well trained.

Holiday sales off to slow start - The State

Shoppers aren’t likely to spend enough money this holiday season to raise the economy from the dead. Halloween sales - an early indicator of holiday shopping trends - so far have been about even with last year, according to Midlands retailers.

And forecasts show holiday spending will increase only slightly, revealing shaky consumer confidence as the nation struggles to recover from the Great Recession.

Customers at three Halloween Express stores in Columbia are spending an average of $40 per purchase this year, about the same as last year, manager Jamie Frasier said. But they have waited longer to buy in hopes of getting a deal.

“Sales were down in the beginning, but now they are catching up” as Halloween approaches Sunday, Frasier said. “They’re waiting until the last minute to see if sales hit.”

Comment by CincyDad
2010-10-28 07:26:04

We really decided to decorate this year for Halloween. I ordered online from 3 different places in late September/early October, only to have about 1/3 of the items out of stock by that time. But we found lots of stuff at the local Halloween Expresss.

I wonder if all retailers are stocking less merchandice, and online retailers are doing a lot better than local retail stores?

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-10-28 07:26:12

I have never spent so little on Halloween, reusing parts from previous years and getting creative or hitting up the local Salvation Army store. My child has a whole outfit that’s made to last longer than 20 minutes out the door for 1/10th the price.

Christmas will be the same way. I did spend an awful lot last year just because we needed to replace or augment certain things last year. This year we’re all set though. The kids have been warned.

Comment by Kim
2010-10-28 08:07:02

I spent $35 more on Halloween this year over last year’s Halloween. However, I might have a chance to make it back! You see, the costume I sewed for DD at a total cost of about $16 is asking around $100 on ebay. DD needs the costume for one more use after Christmas, but after that, I just might ebay it for whatever I can get.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-10-28 09:08:22

I usually spend about 10 dollars on Halloween- one pumpkin and maybe two bags of candy. I eat most of the candy myself, since there are so few kids in my ‘hood.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-10-28 09:11:21

I just put out a couple autumn flowers, a candle, and two little wool-felt pumpkins I bought in the sheep barn at the State Fair. I guess I’m a bah humbug.

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-10-28 09:03:32

Stores around here already have their cheap plastic blow up X-Mas decorations dolls up.

Kinky Claus.

 
 
Comment by dude
2010-10-28 04:51:16

Local market comment:

I have tracked wishing prices in one Palmdale zip code for the last 5 years. In the past year the shear number of listings dwindled nearly to numbers not last seen since the halcyon days of the bubble top. I am now seeing lash back on that, with listing numbers up 150-200% YOY.

Supply/demand curve is also starting to hold true, with a new record low (in my records) median wishing price. We may be getting past the “savvy cash investor” effect and now that those greatest of fools have gone by the board we can see how low it will go.

 
Comment by SUGUY
2010-10-28 04:55:11

Good Morning HBB

Good news we bought a 13,000 sq.ft building. The purchase price was 180K cash. This building was built in 1975 with high ceilings, overhead doors and a loading dock. It has 6000 sq.ft of offices, 4 bathrooms, 7 000 sq.ft of warehouse space. The main office has a marble gas fire place, European shower with a Sauna and a new kitchen. This building was painted and carpeted about 4 years ago and the flat rubber roof is only 4 years old. It has three heating and air conditioning systems. The purchase price came to 13.84 per sq.ft. We will be able to run 2 or 3 of our small production lines at this location.

The reason for the European showers sauna and a kitchen, the previous owner is from Denmark and he was commuting from Thousand Islands and would stay in the building during the week.There are indeed great financial opportunities coming our way.

Thank you Ben and The Hbb gang for giving me the wisdom when not to buy but also the courage to snag deals when they come along.

It’s great to be a financial HBB-smartista

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 06:43:38

Nice catch SUGUY. I hope you will find it a profitable location to operate.

Comment by SUGuy
2010-10-28 17:55:35

Thanks I just got tired of renting dealing with greedy landlords and moving. We are a debt free company with high amounts of cash on hand and moved very quickly when the opportunity arrived. Our competition could not bid high enough as they needed commercial financing. So Combo is right in my opinion. Cash is not trash but seems to be king lately.

The company bidding against us for the property was a commercial building contractor and we all know what they are not capable of doing these days financially.

 
 
Comment by octla77
2010-10-28 07:23:22

SUGUY

What part of the country are you located?

I have been looking for a commercial bldg in my area.
(Irvine, Orange County, Ca.)

Prices about $168/sq. ft.. Trending down about 2% YOY.

Still way too high.

Comment by oxide
2010-10-28 09:20:18

Central New York? SU might be Syracuse.

 
Comment by SUGuy
2010-10-28 16:32:53

Thank you all. I own the property and my company will lease it NNN for a reasonable price. We have been cleaning the building and getting it ready for the move. We had put in 6 hours a day with 7 people and are almost done in 2 days. This building is in Dewitt NY and is surrounded by other commercial business and there are no residences in this area. This is the most gorgeous building in the area also as the Danish fellow who owned it had champagne taste and was an American brainwashed consumer.

Yes I am in Syracuse NY

Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-10-28 20:08:23

From what you describe, it seems like a great catch! Congratulations! ( I am raising my glass of Charles Shaw Cabernet Sauvignon).

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Comment by SUGuy
2010-10-28 20:17:21

Thank you Bill. I am drinking some Muton cadet Bordeaux and here is a toast to surviving this financial mess without losing our wealth. I have been a very steady patient tortoise at savings and this investment is less than 5 percent of my cash. I think my family can sell it very quickly if something every happens to me.

 
 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-10-28 07:23:33

Good news we bought a 13,000 sq.ft building. The purchase price was 180K cash ??

Where ??

What would be the rent equivalent ??

Comment by SUGuy
2010-10-28 17:01:44

Where ??
What would be the rent equivalent ??

The general price range for warehouses is $4.00 per square feet. The office space can be gotten for about $ 6.00 to 8.00 a square feet. My Taxes will be $11,319.00 which will be lowered I hope to 5k as they were in 05. I will hire a real estate attorney and start that process. If all goes well at the present time all I have to pay for is taxes, and utilities of about $1500 per month during winters. This is all new to me as I was a smart renter.

Any suggestions regarding insurance for the building, changing the hot water tanks or anything else to consider will be greatly appreciated.

I feel like I bought a building like you buy something from a garage sale.

 
 
Comment by maldonash
2010-10-28 07:28:52

I would love to find something like this in or near Los Angeles without paying a small fortune. I have looked for an office for many years and cannot find anything for under $700,000, even for a small crappy place.

Comment by scdave
2010-10-28 08:18:37

cannot find anything for under $700,000, even for a small crappy place ??

Ditto here…Thats why I asked the question where it was….

Comment by Steve J
2010-10-28 11:58:58

Maybe you guys should just settle for one without the European spa??

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Comment by SUGuy
2010-10-28 17:24:42

The bathroom has a wooden Finnish Sauna where the heat is generated by pouring water over heated coals. It is the kind you will find in health clubs. I am not big on Saunas but I sure do like the multi jet shower.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 05:12:03

Say it ain’t so, these sterling representatives of the banking world would never cheat, would they?

HSBC, JPMorgan Accused in Suit of Placing ‘Spoof’ Silver Orders

(Bloomberg) — HSBC Holdings Plc and JPMorgan Chase & Co. were accused in an investor’s lawsuit of placing “spoof” trading orders to manipulate silver futures and options prices in violation of U.S. antitrust law.

The investor, Peter Laskaris, alleges that starting in March 2008, the banks colluded to suppress silver futures so that call options, or the right to buy, would decline, and put options for the right to sell would increase, according to the complaint filed yesterday in federal court in Manhattan. The collusion was also intended to maintain prices at levels at which some options would expire as worthless, Laskaris claims.

The banks placed so-called spoof trading orders, or the “submission of a large order which is not executed but influences prices and is then withdrawn before it reasonably can be executed,” according to the complaint.

Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 05:17:40

My, what a surprise.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 05:41:19

“…spoof trading orders…”

Sounds like the kind of scam of which used home sellers are fond — you know, the one where there is always another bidder who is about to beat your offer from behind the scenes?

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-10-28 06:06:02

Paging Nelson Bunker hunt…

Comment by Steve J
2010-10-28 08:09:04

Who are they spoofing though??

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 08:42:47

The operation of a legitimate market…

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Comment by Natalie
2010-10-28 06:11:55

If someone goes underwater on a house or investment, it must be some banker’s fault. Greedy investors, and government manipulation in the form of artificially low interest rates, a policy in favor or home ownership and against “ability to pay” discrimination, failure to regulate or investigate bubbles, and involvement with Freddie and Fannie are just red herrings. Profitability must equal culpability. Everyone is special and deserves only to make money regardless of due diligence. If something goes wrong, just sue later and allege some sort of breach of a fiduciary relationship or illegal manipulation. You are special, and everyone’s job is to protect you from yourself.

I have no knowledge of this particular case, but see a theme developing. A general concept that investors are entited to a profit even if they perform no due diligence, and that, when it comes to the banks, allegations should be considered true and material unless proven otherwise. Dismantle the banking system and save the Country. I continue to find such views twisted and perverse, as well as hypocritical and uninformed on many fronts. My opinions are not tied to any particular poster, but are instead tied to a troublesome theme developing. Are there many valid complaints against the banks and have there been some illegal violations, of course. Has there also been a lot of smoke and mirrors and unwarranted blame shifting away from the government and burned investors, undoubtedly. Is the public, including many on this board, being led around by attorneys and politicans with the wool pulled over their eyes. Unquestionably.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 06:55:39

How about a perception that there is a game being played at several levels, and that the lights are played only upon the most inconsequential drama.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-10-28 08:09:51

You have got to be kidding . This downplaying of one of the biggest
fraudulent mortgage markets that were parlayed into securities in history is amusing . According to
Dr. William K Black in essence the Wall Street loan peddlers wouldn’t even show the rating agencies these loan bundles that they rated AAA and didn’t allow them to sample the quality,(but they were bribed ) .49% of the loans overall were fraudulent and 85% of Countrywide loans were fraudulent junk
in the latter years of the boom .The regulators allowed all this by a don’t ask policy . There was a time that Countrywide originated 1 out of 5 loans in this Country .These loans were sold to F&F and the investment Banks who bundled them into bogus AAA rated
securities ,Wall Street MBS makers didn’t even allow the Rating Agencies any investigation of quality of the bundles and Wall Street security makers set up these junk bonds and than these fraudulent pieces of shit bet against the loan bundles with places like AIG .
Just because the regulators didn’t bust the fraud or the accounting games doesn’t mean it wasn’t a Ponzi-scheme especially since the parties that made this junk into securities were not transparent.

So , you had regulated banks selling to unregulated entities that had different reserve requirements and transparency requirements
and Rating Agencies that made big bucks just giving the unproven
these low risk ratings . The Rating Agencies were bribed by Wall Street security makers ,places like Goldmans .

The scheme all worked for a while because of the real estate mania
but it came crashing down when the borrowers started defaulting
because the bonds were junk and only would work if the RE market
continued to rise .The government did not tell Mozillo to make fraudulent loans and the government did not tell Wall Street to misrepresent junk bonds as AAA quality .

There has been a concerted effort to put the entire blame on the
Cops/regulators that weren’t present and they were short staffed to say the least . The security makers wouldn’t of been transparent anyway. Crimes are crimes even if the Cops didn’t catch it . In 2004
it was becoming clear to the FBI that rampant fraud was taking place ,but they transferred 500 agent out of the white collar crime division and didn’t replace them . Oh ,I can go on and on . Aren’t the true deceivers the actual liable parties ,not the cops that didn’t
actually catch them .That’s like saying a crime isn’t a crime if it isn’t caught right away,just like foreclosure process fraud . Right now we are just feeling the fall out and destruction of the massive crimes that bailouts have covered up to some degree .

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-10-28 08:18:51

Oh, right its the borrowers responsibility to correctly rate junk bonds
and its the borrowers responsibility to stop bogus appraisals of
property and prevent fraud .The agents of the Ponzi-scheme encouraged fraud and the borrowers were sold on leverage and
bogus loan programs that would blow up if Real Estate didn’t go up .

Comment by Jim A.
2010-10-28 11:44:13

Well at some level, yes. If you don’t understand something, you probably shouldn’t buy it. If you really want to buy it anyway, you should hire somebody to expain-it-to-you/tell-you-what-it-is worth. But listening to somebody WHO WAS HIRED BY THE GUY SELLING IT TO YOU is not a good idea. It’s like buying a used car, and instead of hiring a mechanic to check it out, you call the guy out from the service department at the dealer and ask HIM to check it out for you. What do you expect him to say? He’s paid by the organization selling you the car!

Look, it’s certainly not always the case that people will tell you whatever lies that they think they can get away with if it is in their own selfish best interest. But that’s a very good working assumption.

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-10-28 12:38:46

Okay, under reflection, the second sentance in the above screed is a bit too strong. We can’t be expected to be experts on everything after all. But at some level that’s why we HIRE experts. The idea that you can rely on experts who were hired by the salesmen is not sound.

 
Comment by Natalie
2010-10-28 12:49:15

True. Lots of people try using big financial words to make MBS sound exotic and complicated when really you are buying nothing more than an interest in a mortgage or pool of many mortgages. I was aware of the real estate bubble in 2000. Most of the MBS losses were in the subordinate strips privately placed with big boys. Are you telling me they were not aware of risk of buying highly leveraged mortages during one of the biggest bubbles in history? Should the seller be under any obligation to sit buyers down and say you know I’m trying to sell these mortgages, but just wanted you to be aware of the bubble? Do you really need fraud and bogus appraisals when the market really was 50% overvalued without fraud or bogus appraisals? The major problem with MBS was that people simply over paid for the underlying properties and didnt have skin in the game, coupled with unrealistic expectations as to future appreciation. At the time such issues were painfully obvious. The unwarranted euphria was sufficient so that fraud was not necessary element to make a financial killing. To assume that fraud was a necessary evidences a lack of understanding what was really going on. Sometimes there isn’t always someone else to blame, nor should there be.

 
 
Comment by Natalie
2010-10-28 12:53:57

Housing Wizard - sometimes I wonder if much of our disagreements are just misunderstandings of base definitions. For example, you appear to use the word “fraud” to refer to greedy or ammoral behavior, when I believe it should be limited to its narrower legal definition (i.e., as to whether each and every element of the crime of fraud has been committed).

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 13:24:48

Probably because he means “fraud.”

Have you not been reading the news? Fraud is prevalent at every level in such abundance as too put lie to there ever being a “free market.”

 
 
 
 
Comment by michael
2010-10-28 06:30:40

come on guys…everyone else was doing it.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 05:15:33

This morning’s Yahoo Finance headline: “Futures, Stocks Mostly Rise As Earnings Eclipse Fed Doubts”.

Translation: It’s time to suck some more money into the casino.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-10-28 05:53:54

Re-translation: They are getting ready to stick more fake free money into the casino and make some “phat trading profitz” to collect some tay-steee bonuses.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-10-28 11:06:27

The Ponzi-scheme flourished because there wasn’t cops on the beat .
Just because they haven’t busted all the crimes yet and opted for cover=up and bail outs doesn’t means the crime don’t exist .

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 05:18:52

In our downtown area people just buy a $3000.00 golf cart add head and rear lights and they are street legal. It it rains or gets cold just put on the enclosure.

All that hype won’t sell electric cars.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — If you thought electric cars were about to take over the world’s highways, a new report by auto analysts at J.D. Power Associates says, “Not so fast.”

By 2020, the vast majority of new cars sold around the world will run on gasoline, not electricity, according to the report “Drive Green 2020: More Hope Than Reality.” In ten years, just 7.3% of passenger vehicles sold globally will be hybrids or plug-in cars of some kind, the study predicts.

Percentages for the U.S. will be higher — about 14% of the total new car market — but the vast majority of those will be “conventional” non-plug-in hybrids like the Toyota Prius or Ford Fusion Hybrid, said Mike Omotoso, director of powertrain forecasting for J.D. Power.

Plug-in hybrids and full-electric cars will represent only 1% to 2% of new car sales in the U.S. by 2020, he said.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-10-28 05:44:57

The hype: “Electric cars are so much cleaner and run near 100% efficiency.”
What people fail to realize is that electricity gets mostly generated in coal plants and they produce lots of pollution and don’t run anywhere near 100% efficiency, more like 30-40%.Then you lose about another 7% of energy in tranmission. That’s based on stats from utilities determined by electricity into the network versus what customers are charged for, maybe also some theft involved. Then charging and discharging a battery might lose another 5-10%. So in the end you’re looking at about 25 - 35% efficiency. Not too bad but not anywhere near the hype that is being generated. Turbo diesel engines get about 40% efficiency. Another alternative is running cars/trucks on natural gas. Abundant and clean energy source nobody is talking about. A friend of mine in Germany had his car converted for 2500 Euro. Says his fuel bill is about half of the $8/gallon fuel costs over there.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-10-28 05:57:54

To be fair, they are virtually silent, and have a far fewer moving parts.

The batteries, otoh, are woefully inadequate and still far too expensive. GM priced the replacement pack for the Volt at $8,000.

Truly revolutionary battery technology seems as remote as a warp drive or plutonium powered flux capacitor. I give it 30 years or so.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-10-28 11:09:53

“The batteries, otoh, are woefully inadequate and still far too expensive”

Maybe someone should stick Steve Jobs on the project. ; )

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 13:32:09

It’s called a “super capacitor” and it exists now. There are also advanced Lithium batteries in production being used by the Japanese resulting in a car (and other devices) than can recharged in 5 minutes and providing a longer charge.

GM is doing what GM does best… being cheap and ripping off the customer.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-10-28 16:58:54

Disadvantages

* The amount of energy stored per unit weight is considerably lower than that of an electrochemical battery (3–5 W·h/kg for an ultracapacitor as of 2010[update] compared to 30-40 W·h/kg for a lead acid battery), and about 1/1,000th the volumetric energy density of gasoline.

* As with any capacitor, the voltage varies with the energy stored. Effective storage and recovery of energy requires complex electronic control and switching equipment, with consequent energy loss

* Has the highest dielectric absorption of any type of capacitor.

* High self-discharge - the rate is considerably higher than that of an electrochemical battery.

* Cells have low voltages - serial connections are needed to obtain higher voltages. Voltage balancing is required if more than three capacitors are connected in series.

* Linear discharge voltage prevents use of the full energy spectrum.

* Due to rapid and large release of energy (albeit over short times), EDLC’s have the potential to be deadly to humans. One example is the case of rescue workers accidentally discharging an ultracap in hybrid electrics during automobile accidents.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 06:02:29

“What people fail to realize is that electricity gets mostly generated in coal plants and they produce lots of pollution and don’t run anywhere near 100% efficiency”

So true!Coal fired, nuclear, hydro…

So many folks have these unrealistic visions of all clean and pure,with all electric. Electricity has to come from somewhere, so they can plug the thing in.

Also batteries have a limited life span and are costly to replace, and they have to be disposed of.

I’ll stick with my trusty old diesel.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-10-28 06:50:08

So long as you can’t see the smoke stacks, there is no polutin right? /snark

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 07:04:53

It’s the Burger King mentality. If it comes in a clean white wrapper, there is no blood, right?

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Comment by Steve J
2010-10-28 08:23:24

Coal, hydro, nuclear…they don’t have to be imported.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-10-28 08:54:50

Unfortunately all too much hydro power is imported. The New England states are dependent upon hydro electric power imported from northern Quebec, a not altogether friendly state.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 13:33:39

Little known fact: we import 50% of our energy from… Cananda.

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2010-10-28 07:29:42

“Another alternative is running cars/trucks on natural gas.”

The LNG has to be compressed to attain the liquid state, and that takes energy too.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-10-28 07:56:55

I thought that most commercial natural gas vehicles were CNG rather than LNG. Shorter range, because you’re carrying less fuel, but it’s not boiling off just sitting there.

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-10-28 08:30:39

Heck, until recently, a gas station within a mile of my house had a CNG pump. I was half seriously thinking of getting a CIVIC GX.

 
Comment by rms
2010-10-28 11:41:50

“I thought that most commercial natural gas vehicles were CNG rather than LNG.”

We had a regular delivery truck, a van/cargo box style, and I’m sure it said LNG on it, IIRC.

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-10-28 08:52:01

The term “zero emissions vehicle” always rubs me the wrong way. Instead they should be labeled “transferred emissions vehicle”.

Comment by measton
2010-10-28 11:13:05

Studies have shown that even in the midwest electric car pollutes less and gas.

More importantly

Electric car keeps more dollars in the US than gas power car. Fewer dollars go to terrorist supporting states and their nuclear programs.

My conversion used a car with a blown motor gave it a new life and cost 10k in parts. I purchased it for less.

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Comment by rms
2010-10-28 17:59:22

“Electric car keeps more dollars in the US than gas power car.”

+1 Good point!

 
 
 
 
Comment by mariner22
2010-10-28 07:19:18

Maybe if oil stays at $83 / barrel. But if our currency continues to plunge and the rest of the world comes out of economic stagnation, how long do you think that will last. I believe when we are paying $7.50 a gallon for gas (like the French do) the American consumer will have a different view of electric cars.

As an urban apartment dweller, I would buy a Leaf to replace my second car right now (and I suspect most of my neighbors would too). Unfortunately, we have no way of charging it, at least for now.

Comment by Doghouse Riley
2010-10-28 08:40:51

Even at $7.50 a gallon, the price delta between buying a Leaf and buying a high-mileage turbodiesel (VW Jetta) is too high, or would be except for the idiotic subsidy given to the former.

 
Comment by exit56
2010-10-28 09:05:17

To paraphrase the 1992 Clinton campaign: “It’s the buildings stupid.”

The problem is more than just MPG; it’s suburban sprawl.

Good urban planning = fewer miles driven.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-10-28 12:11:12

There are too many cars on the road as it is. For a time, I was annoyed with high fuel prices, etc., especially since I was driving so much. I cut my driving by more than 50%, and would honestly welcome $10 per gallon fuel if it meant moving towards alternative energies, more responsible building practices, and mass public transit. The freeways are completely choked off with one occupant vehicles. This is not sustainable.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 16:02:08

They said the same thing when gas was 30 cents a gallon.

Didn’t happen, did it?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 05:25:33

Poll: Jerry Brown widens lead over Meg Whitman
By Jack Chang
The Sacramento Bee

With less than a week left before Election Day, Democratic gubernatorial candidate Jerry Brown has opened a 10-percentage-point lead over Republican Meg Whitman on the strength of growing support from Latinos, women and independent voters, according to the latest Field Poll released Wednesday.

The nonpartisan survey also found Whitman’s window for catching Brown is closing, as more than a fifth of likely voters already have mailed in their ballots.

Brown’s surge broke a statistical deadlock that has gripped the two candidates since March, when Whitman appeared to be winning over more Latino and female voters than Republicans usually do.

That support washed away over the past month, however, as voters received an unvarnished view of the candidates in three televised debates, at Tuesday’s women’s conference and in their handling of surprise campaign controversies.

Whitman, the billionaire former CEO of online auction firm eBay, ended the month as the loser, with 51 percent of likely voters holding an unfavorable view of her in the new poll, compared to just 12 percent who felt that way in March 2009.

Comment by scdave
2010-10-28 07:41:28

And thank you Meg for your 150 Million Dollar contribution to the California economy…Hope you have enough savings left to hire another $20. per hour maid/slave….

Comment by Rancher
2010-10-28 07:53:58

Dave, I took the time to listen to the back and forth between Moombeam and Meg and found myself liking the Lady. She actually sounds more
grounded than Jerry and between the two, I’d go
with her for the governorship. In the long run,
I don’t think they’d be a wit of difference between
what they want to do, the state is to far in the red
to ever recover. JMHO.

Comment by scdave
2010-10-28 08:59:13

Rancher…Since Meg is from my area (Ebay) right up the street a ways, I think we have a little different perspective on her than what you may take away from a debate…Bottom line is trust and her lust for power…Moonbeam is no great catch but you know what you are getting…So its “hold your nose” and pull the lever for Brown…

the state is to far in the red to ever recover ??

No $h1t…They will try and tax & fee there way out….Will find out if it works…If not, a constitutional convention and hitting the re-set button may be the only way…

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Comment by Rancher
2010-10-28 13:22:55

Gut feeling and it’s not good. CA has to big
of an economy, 7th or 8th worldwide, and cannot be allowed to fail. If, big if, the US
gov. steps in to prop it up, I think that will
be the final tipping point for the entire US
economy. We’re screwed either way.

 
 
 
Comment by Steve J
2010-10-28 08:28:45

Where do you get your maids at??

Comment by scdave
2010-10-28 09:01:34

So what is your real question ??

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-10-28 11:58:50

And thank you Meg for your 150 Million Dollar contribution to the California economy ;-)

BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™)

 
 
Comment by Lip
2010-10-28 08:00:58

Great News,

So what is Jerry Brown going to offer, more taxes and higher spending?

CA is so screwed.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 08:31:49

“… higher taxes …”

Can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip!

Comment by scdave
2010-10-28 09:04:30

Can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip ??

Yeah, but the can “squeeze” you for another 20% a year on your utility bill….EVERYONE gets to pay…Ditto with sales tax, DMV fees and just about anything else you can think of other than “income tax”…

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-10-28 13:59:10

Yes!

Which leaves cutting energy consumption, by whatever means necessary, as the most viable option. Another strike against the McMansion and other icons of the era of excess.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 08:40:04

CA is going to get the government they deserve.

With Republicans in charge of the congress and maybe the Senate (according to the latest predictions) - I doubt there will be a federal bailout of CA.

CA will actually have to confront their insane spending

Comment by scdave
2010-10-28 12:26:56

I doubt there will be a federal bailout of CA ??

Good…I don’t want one….How about if the Union just cuts us loose altogether and we will fend for ourselves ??

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 15:11:30

Would a federal bailout of CA be more likely with a Democrat or a Republican in the state house?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-10-28 16:02:33

I just assumed a D. I would think an R would be likely to allow them to swing in the breeze considering how long it’s been since they’ve gone R for president.

 
 
Comment by MossySF
2010-10-29 07:36:32

California has been sending more federal tax money to D.C. than what gets returned for more than a decade. If you add the numbers up, it’s nearly 500B … far more than California’s current budget deficit.

So fact is many of the states who “claim” to be independent, fiscally sound, etc. have been leeching of CA taxpayers for quite some time. I bet CA would welcome the opportunity to firewall off the rest of the country.

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Comment by CharlieTango
2010-10-28 08:40:39

more sanctuary cities?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 08:44:33

Who knows — maybe he will reinstate Arnold’s first-time home buyer tax credit?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 15:13:15

Nastiness does not become her.

Factbox: Top races for state governors
Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:47pm EDT

(Reuters) - Republicans appear headed for big gains in state governors’ races on Tuesday, dealing President Barack Obama and his fellow Democrats a blow that could echo through next year’s once-a-decade redrawing of congressional district boundaries and the 2012 presidential race.

Republicans are expected to win a majority of the governorships at stake in 37 of the 50 U.S. states.

Democrats, battling a difficult political climate and historic voting patterns that inflict losses on the party in the White House, hope to capture Republican-held governorships in big battlegrounds like California, Florida and perhaps even Texas.

Here is a look at some of the top governors’ races.

CALIFORNIA - Democrat Jerry Brown, a former governor and a state political fixture for decades, has solidified his lead in polls over Republican Meg Whitman, the former CEO of eBay, in the race to replace Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger. At their final debate this week, Brown agreed to take down his negative attack ads if Whitman would do the same — but she declined, perhaps realizing she needs them to climb back in the race.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 05:29:27

AP survey: Painfully slow economic gains into 2011- AP

The job market and the economy will improve only slightly next year, according to an Associated Press survey of leading economists whose outlook for 2011 has dimmed over the past three months.

Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 05:32:58

“leading economists”

Lol.

Comment by DennisN
2010-10-28 08:57:30

How come you never hear about “trailing economists”?

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 16:05:36

:lol:

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 05:34:10

Is housing predicted to become more affordable next year?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 05:33:09

Regarding the US dollar:
John Embry, Chief Investment Strategist for Sprott Asset Management.

“What it’s really going to collapse against is hard assets…I really don’t think people have any idea the extent to which the standard of living can fall in North America, particularly in the United States. I mean when a currency collapses against everything else, basically that is saying that the standard of living is going to fall.

In fact, it could fall by 30, 40 or 50% just to pick some wild numbers, is not out of the question. Things have been pretty good for the last 60, 70 years in North America, and they think they’ll be good forever. It isn’t going to happen that way.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 05:36:08

“I mean when a currency collapses against everything else, basically that is saying that the standard of living is going to fall.”

Did the currency collapse autonomously, or did it get help from higher powers? Or is this guy Embry’s opinion simply out of touch?

Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 05:55:23

The “currency collapse” I see happening about me is the absence of currency, the disappearance of the stuff.

The problem isn’t that the demand for fiats has vanished; The demand for fiats is as great as ever. The problem is there are not enough fiats to pass around to all the folks that have over the years been promised lots of fiats.

If there are no fiats to pass around to all these people then the standard of living for those who were promised these fiats is going to decline.

Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 06:09:50

“In fact, it (the standard of living) could fall by 30, 40 or 50% just to pick some wild numbers, is not out of the question. Things have been pretty good for the past 60, 70 years in North America, and they think they’ll be good forever. It isn’t going to happen that way.”

Yep, with this part of the post I am in full agreement.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 06:23:44

And I agree with you that it is more about access to currency (distribution) than the value of the currency. It doesn’t matter how much is printed, so long as the newly printed currency mainly ends up under proverbial mattresses.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-10-28 06:56:12

It isn’t so much that all the “new money” that they’re injecting into the system hides under a mattress. Rather it marches off to Wall Street to die. I’m reminded of those propaganda broadcasts from the battle of Stalingrad. “Tick tick tick tick. Every tick is another taxpayer million that’s dying in Wall Street. Tick tick tick tick.”

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-10-28 08:16:04

Is anyone out there really going to be shoveling dollar bills into their furnance this winter?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 08:46:44

“Rather it marches off to Wall Street to die.”

It doesn’t really die on Wall Street, but rather piles up on the casino tables as more chips to liquidify the investment bankers’ speculative gambling operation.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-10-28 08:52:19

The FED is making it less expensive to borrow more Fiats by buying down the interest rate charged

The few banks left that can borrow cheap can set-up a carry trade with cheap dollars borrowed from the US and traded for ?? as the dollar falls it will be easy to pay back in dollars. Classic yen carry trade what are they going to buy ? commodities ? yuan ? beannie babies ?

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Comment by lavi d
2010-10-28 09:29:44

…then the standard of living for those who were promised these fiats is going to decline.

Could they make do with Alfa Romeos?

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-10-28 05:45:07

This opinion wouldn’t be that of just another gold bug, claiming the sky is falling, would it?
This Sprott Asset Management couldn’t be Eric Sprott’s hedge fund, which tried to buy 191 metric tons of gold from the IMF earlier this year..

Comment by Jim A.
2010-10-28 07:02:19

That’s a cube about two meters on a side.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-10-28 17:32:56

that’s a big, heavy chunk..
Maybe that’s why the IMF wouldn’t sell it to him (afaik). Unlike most large buyers, he wanted physical, and expected delivery.

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Comment by dude
2010-10-28 20:56:04

How dare he?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by hobo in mass
2010-10-28 05:35:40

When did Carl Case start giving advise on when to buy? I thought he was an academic. Is he now part of NAR or something?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 05:38:28

When I read booyah advice on purchasing a home from the likes of Case, I have to suspect that at least some of his research funding has REIC strings attached to it. Objective scientific inquiry has been massively undermined by the strings of corporate funding sources.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 06:07:32

No,the smart set self elevate themselves into potions of their choosing, by “stating” that they are “experts” in this or that field. So if Case has decided that he is now an RE adviser then he is, and he knows better than others when it’s the right time to buy.

See how easy it is, pure genius!

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 06:13:07

Not quite. If you look up Karl Case’s academic record, you will find out that he has a lengthy publication record, and was coinventor of the S&P/Case-Shiller Index of home prices.

Why he is now shilling for real estate is even more interesting in light of the tremendous amount of effort it takes to become a tenured professor.

Comment by hobo in mass
2010-10-28 09:21:30

I just read he was Professor Emeritus….perhaps now that he’s retired he’s making some cash.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 09:25:24

It’s a crying shame when senior citizens have to turn to prostitution in order to pay for food.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-10-28 09:56:06

It’s a crying shame when times are so tough johns have to turn to the elderly for their prostitution fix.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 06:09:19

My reading of the underwater problem: The Fed is terrified about it and they will do whatever it can to keep a floor under home prices to avoid a larger underwater problem going forward.

BANK REGULATORS INVESTIGATE IMPROPER FORECLOSURES (sidebar)

WASHINGTON — Banking regulators are examining mortgage lenders’ procedures to see if they are improperly foreclosing on homes, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Monday.

“We are looking intensively at the firms’ policies, procedures, and internal controls related to foreclosures and seeking to determine whether systematic weaknesses are leading to improper foreclosures,” Bernanke said at a housing conference in Arlington, Va.

Ally Financial’s GMAC Mortgage unit, JPMorgan Chase, and Bank of America are among loan servicers that temporarily halted foreclosures while the companies review paperwork. Court documents have showed that employees might have submitted affidavits without confirming their accuracy, a practice that state officials say could amount to fraud.

“We take violations of proper procedures seriously,” Bernanke said at the conference on mortgages and housing finance, hosted by the Fed and Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.

After discussing foreclosures, he devoted much of his remarks to the Fed’s housing-market efforts, such as studies, conferences and events serving troubled borrowers.

More than 20 percent of borrowers owe more than their home is worth, and an additional 33 percent have equity cushions of 10 percent or less, putting them at risk should house prices decline much further,” Bernanke said. “With housing markets still weak, high levels of mortgage distress may well persist for some time to come.

Foreclosures are mounting as out-of-work Americans fail to meet monthly payments while growing numbers of homeowners, seeing their home prices slide to less than their mortgage values, also default.

Unemployment is forecasted to exceed 9 percent through 2011, another reason why any recovery in housing may take years, even with 30-year mortgage rates near record lows.

Comment by rms
2010-10-28 07:32:14

“My reading of the underwater problem: The Fed is terrified about it and they will do whatever it can to keep a floor under home prices to avoid a larger underwater problem going forward.”

+1 You should have been a Swami, PB.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-10-28 08:13:14

“an additional 33 percent have equity cushions of 10 percent or less”

So can these people’s lenders now make them buy PMI? Talk about lead balloons!

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-10-28 09:58:26

” I thought he was an academic. Is he now part of NAR or something?”

Worse—he’s an FB!

Did you guys miss the story a couple of months back when he mentioned he had a house he wanted to sell out in the country, but he was waiting a while to sell because he “wouldn’t give it away?”

I thought that was almost the height of irony for this debacle: the guy who co-invents the C-S Home Price Index apparently can’t read the chart that it produces, and got caught long housing in this oh-so-predictable decline. BOOOO-yah!

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-10-28 05:55:55

Jobs data “better than expected” a few days before the election. Things that make you go “hmmm.”

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-10-28 08:22:25

Nah, it’s not enough to matter and a lot of minds are made up already. The weather conditions on November 2 will have a bigger influence on voter participation than this ever would.

Besides, 4Q is a sleepy time of year. HR staffers are probably trolling Amazon and eBay.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 05:56:04

College tuition costs climbing again this fall

College tuition costs shot up again this fall, and students and their families are leaning more on the federal government to make higher education more affordable in tough economic times, according to two reports issued Thursday.

At public four-year schools, many of them ravaged by state budget cuts, average in-state tuition and fees this fall rose 7.9 percent, or $555, to $7,605, according to the College Board’s “Trends in College Pricing.” The average sticker price at private nonprofit colleges increased 4.5 percent, or $1,164, to $27,293.

Massive government subsidies and aid from schools helped keep in check the actual price many students pay. But experts caution that federal aid can only do so much and that even higher tuition is likely unless state appropriations rebound or colleges drastically cut costs.

“Just when Americans need college the most, many are finding it increasingly difficult to afford,” said Molly Corbett Broad, president of the American Council on Education.

Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 06:45:13

“Massive government subsidies and aid from schools helped keep in check the actual price many students pay.”

Take away the subsidies - because THERE IS NO MONEY - and the price students have to pay goes up.

Another sign of raging inflation, right?

Lol.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-10-28 07:50:20

Let’s see, is it higher Pell grants help cover the ever higher cost of tuition, or is it Pell grants allow the colleges to charge ever higher admission?

Comment by baabaabooie
2010-10-28 08:17:44

Your are exactly correct. get the government out of subsidizing higher education and let the free market dictate price. You would see these “intellectuals” be faced with the proposition of cutting costs or no students at all.

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Comment by oxide
2010-10-28 09:35:07

No way should there be free market for college. If that happened, then only rich and stupid people could go to college, poor and smart kids won’t be able to move up. It’s amazing the way that big money can shut more deserving people out of small money. Could we please preserve some semblence of a meritocracy?

I would, however, be more in favor of a scholarship-based subsidy: you get your loans only if you have good grades.

 
 
Comment by Steve J
2010-10-28 08:32:05

Pell grants are based on your parents income. Including equity in your house. :-$

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Comment by baabaabooie
2010-10-28 08:58:06

So you should mortgage your future so your kid doesnt mortgage theirs? I thought it was in the country’s interest to provide more “skilled” labor? This is all the “Road to Serfdom” a must read to explain all that we are facing in this country.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-10-28 09:11:15

“Road to Serfdom” ?

Just read some reviews and ordered it…Thanks…

 
 
Comment by GH
2010-10-28 14:12:11

This is the primary reason Obamacare will not reduce costs. More money = higher prices. Same happens at all levels of Education. Schools demand more money to make education better. Costs go up education gets worse.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 16:10:53

Pell grants barely cover the cost of textbooks. If you’re lucky.

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Comment by roger
2010-10-28 10:37:55

I tried entering barber college but could’nt afford the haircut

Comment by rms
2010-10-28 11:43:09

+1 LOL!

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 16:11:57

Maybe you needed to trim some costs. You know, just shave a little here and a little there.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 05:56:10

Another reason to question whether QE2 is necessary. Affordable housing would be useful, though — at least in places where jobs are starting to return.

Unemployment claims drop to 434,000, lowest since July

WASHINGTON (AP) — Fewer people applied for unemployment benefits last week, the second drop in a row and a hopeful sign the job market could be improving.

The Labor Department says initial claims for jobless benefits dropped 21,000 to a seasonally adjusted 434,000 in the week that ended Oct. 23. That’s the smallest number of claims since early July. Wall Street analysts had expected a tiny increase.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 07:33:03

400,000 plus new claims is not “jobs returning”. It is a relentless decline. We are on a downward “jobs” incline as far as the eye can see. Loosing 2-3 million jobs per year. What matter if we are going 60 mph today or 59.6 mph? An insignificant change in the first derrivative.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 16:13:42

There is NOTHING significantly good about those numbers.

Only 50 million more to go.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 16:55:13

“15 million”

Oops.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 06:02:56

Forever blowing bubbles

The Fed has been inflating asset prices as part of policy since at least the mid-1990s. The wealth effect is the primary mechanism, make people richer and they’ll spend more. So QE is there to goose asset markets. But this’ll end badly. And the next time the Fed won’t have any silver bullets left to kill recession.

Comment by neuromance
2010-10-28 18:31:41

I was just reading a Buchanan piece (don’t agree with the fellow’s social policies, but he’s a smart guy). He said that the money supplied has been doubled.

If true - wow. That means the value of each dollar has already been significantly decreased.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 06:15:41

Unemployment Claims Drop Unexpectedly- AP

Fewer people applied for unemployment benefits last week, the second drop in a row and a hopeful sign the job market could be improving.

Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 06:20:38

Initial jobless claims decreased by 21,000 to 434,000 in the week ended Oct. 23, the lowest since early July when fewer auto plants than normal closed for retooling, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. The total number of people receiving unemployment insurance dropped to a two-year low, while those getting extended payments also fell.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-10-28 07:58:47

“….while those getting extended payments also fell.”

99 weeks of UE on the wall, 99 weeks of UE on the wall, if one of those weeks should happen to end, then 98 weeks of UE on the wall…

The layoff ridden winter of 2008-9 started 99 weeks ago.

 
 
Comment by baabaabooie
2010-10-28 08:19:48

Why is everything “unexpectantly” or “unexpected”???? What do these so called “experts” do if they are never right? Whats truly “expected” is that they are always wrong.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 16:56:12

Only 15 million more to go!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 06:19:20

market pulse
Oct. 28, 2010, 8:35 a.m. EDT
Treasury yields, dollar down after jobless claims

Related stories
* Treasurys fall on hopes Fed wont buy so much (Oct. 27)
* U.S. futures gain on busy earnings day (8:36a)
* Treasury yields rise to highest since Fed meeting (Oct. 26)
* Dollar at highest in a week on hopes of less QE (Oct. 27)

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Treasury prices pared a gain and the dollar extended a decline Thursday after the U.S. Labor Department said first-time jobless claims declined by 21,000 in the latest week to 434,000, a bigger drop than some economists had forecast.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 06:20:31

News Hub: What Would Milton Friedman Do Now?
Oct. 27, 2010

David Wessel looks at what would Milton Friedman, the University of Chicago champion of monetary discipline, do now? Would he approve of Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke’s move to buy more U.S. Treasury bonds to put more money into the economy?

Comment by butters
2010-10-28 07:32:07

Didn’t Ana Schwartz come out in favor of TARP 2 yrs ago? I honestly lost all respect for Friedman and Monetarists after that.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-10-28 14:43:57

“What Would Milton Friedman Do Now?”

Admit he was wrong? Giving easy money to the banksters will not cure a burst credit bubble- as Keynes pointed out with his ‘pushing on a string’ analogy. But bailing out the rich and well-connected just feels so right to the PTB.

Creating jobs for the middle class doesn’t give them that same warm, squishy feeling. To them, it probably seems wasteful, when that money could be where it belongs- in the fat cats’ pockets, encouraging them to maybe start a business here, or not.

Not to mention the moral hazard created when Wall Street knows that if they really screw the pooch, they’ll get a golden shower of money from Uncle Sam.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-10-28 06:23:19

Laughing as we sink…

World Collapse Explained in 3 Minutes

youtube com/watch?v=NOzR3UAyXao&feature=player_embedded

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:08:49

:lol: )))

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 06:26:27

This is how twisted this guys brain is, perhaps the plugs were buried a little to deep. Or he’s been swimming in the D.C. cesspool to long.

“Every single great idea that has marked the 21st century, the 20th century and the 19th century has required government vision and government incentive,” he said. “In the middle of the Civil War you had a guy named Lincoln paying people $16,000 for every 40 miles of track they laid across the continental United States. … No private enterprise would have done that for another 35 years.”

~ Joe Biden

Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 06:35:56

“Every single great idea that has marked the 21st century, the 20th century and the 19th century has required government vision and government incentive.”

Great ideas such as: The theory of relativity? Maxwell’s equations? Edison’s inventions?

Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 06:54:24

Didn’t the Wright Brothers build their aircraft in their bicycle shop using their own money?

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-10-28 07:37:57

Harley Davidson created their motorcycle in their backyard too.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-10-28 07:41:20

Al Gore invented the internet.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 08:44:54

Really? Thank god for OwlGore where we be without him?

 
 
Comment by Chris M
2010-10-28 10:47:00

Hey, the government didn’t seize their property and throw them in jail, so they were free to invent their airplane. See? That’s government incentive!

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:18:25

The aircraft industry was DOA until the government instituted air mail and even after WW1, it still needed government subsidies to survive.

Motorcycles only became popular after being used in WWI and II as couriers and automobile after real roads were built.

The Internet was created as first an ARPA project and then taken over by DAPRA to facilitate computer communication between universities and defense research faculties.

Every inch of infrastructure was initially financed by the government. Sewer. Fresh water. Telephone (as telegraph and later as rural and finally coast to coast, intercontinental and finally satellite). Large scale electricity (electricity could only be had in the cities in the beginning)

Railroads. The Interstate. Hydro-electrical dams. Flood control. Large scale farming. Space. High energy research.

Only fools have no idea how big a role the government played in our technological world.

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Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 06:40:00

And the bigger government gets - the better is the government vision and government incentive…

 
Comment by michael
2010-10-28 06:41:20

based on his example i would like to conclude that. Every single great idea that has marked the 21st century, the 20th century and the 19th century has required war.

Comment by Steve J
2010-10-28 08:36:08

The space program gave us Tang, don’t forget.

 
 
Comment by Lip
2010-10-28 06:41:31

“Every single great idea!!!”

And to think this tool is next in line if something happens to BHO. Long Live Barry!

Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 07:03:53

“And to think this tool is next in line if something happens to BHO. Long Live Barry!”

No kidding!

However, Plugs said just a few weeks ago in an interview that he was second in line for the presidency. Wonder who he thinks is first in line?

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 07:40:49

That would be Barack. He still has two years to step up to the plate. It could happen!

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Comment by DennisN
2010-10-28 09:18:33

Barry picked Joe Biden for the same reason Bush 41 picked Dan Quayle - insurance against assassination.

Comment by Steve J
2010-10-28 12:07:02

I think Dan’ daddie giving Bush a seat on the BOD of his company When he needed a job after Carter’s election had more to do with it.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-10-28 09:12:34

Private enterprise funded research developed the semiconductor and the microprocessor.

Government funded research developed the atomic bomb.

Would you care to rephrase your comment, Mr. Biden? :lol:

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:21:41

Bell labs. Transistors. Government contracts.

TI and Fairchild. 1st ICs. Government defense contracts.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-10-28 09:39:32

I could answer all four of you with that great government incentive known as a “patent.”

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 10:54:08

How do you pronounce that in Mandarin?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:22:43

You left out the other important part. “Government contract.”

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 06:48:39

China boasts world’s fastest supercomputer

BEIJING (AFP) – China is set to trump the US to take the number one spot for the fastest supercomputer ever made in a survey of the world’s zippiest machines, it was reported Thursday.

Tianhe-1, meaning Milky Way, has a sustained computing speed of 2,507 trillion calculations per second, making it the fastest computer in China on a list published Thursday.

But it is also 1.4 times faster that the world’s current fastest ranked supercomputer in the US, housed at a national laboratory in Tennessee, according to the New York Times.

Tianhe-1 does its warp-speed “thinking” at the National Center for Supercomputing in the northern port city of Tianjin — using mostly chips designed by US companies.

Comment by combotechie
2010-10-28 06:56:43

“… - using mostly chips designed by US companies.”

We are a nation of dummies.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-10-28 10:00:15

It won’t be long until Intel offshores all that design work to China anyway.

Comment by DennisN
2010-10-28 10:08:15

All their H1-B visa designers will just go home.

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Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2010-10-28 10:01:21

2040 - In the news today, China has declared that anyone in their North American province who wishes to continue working will have two years to learn Mandarin.

 
Comment by rms
2010-10-28 18:08:15

“China boasts world’s fastest supercomputer”

Don’t bother me with the details. Will it fit in my pocket, and how long will it run on a charge?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 06:59:45

Public employee unions funnel public money to Dems
Washington Examiner:

Who is the largest single political contributor in the 2010 campaign cycle? You can be pardoned if you answer, erroneously, that it’s some new conservative group organized by Karl Rove. That’s campaign spin by the Obama Democrats, obediently relayed by certain elements of the so-called mainstream media.

The real answer is AFSCME, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. The union’s president, Gerald McEntee, reports proudly that AFSCME will be contributing $87.5 million in this cycle, entirely or almost entirely to Democrats. “We’re spending big,” he told the Wall Street Journal. “And we’re damn happy it’s big.”

Comment by butters
2010-10-28 07:21:36

Lay off the unions, they do God’s work.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-10-28 10:07:10

No seriously, lay them all off.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 07:25:02

Government unions are the worst of all. It’s like an endless feedback loop of graft, corruption, and waste.

Comment by butters
2010-10-28 07:39:10

They have learnt well from the captains of the private industries.

Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 08:00:26

Like GS - who donated more to Obama than all the rest of the financial industry COMBINED donated to McSame.

They know who drives the gravy train…

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:24:17

Good for the goose, good for the gander.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 07:09:06

What would all his bankster buddies do if old slobbering Barney took it in the rear? No pun intended!

(Reuters) - Representative Barney Frank, the outspoken, witty Democrat closely tied to the 2008 U.S. bank bailout, faces a tough re-election battle after 15 terms in office at a time when incumbency itself is a liability.

Challenging the Massachusetts liberal is Republican Sean Bielat, an Iraq war veteran, and opinion polls suggest Frank has an uncomfortably narrow lead over a political unknown.

In the run-up to Tuesday’s congressional elections, Frank has faced a torrent of negative ads and mailings, much of it from groups outside the state who support candidates from the conservative Tea Party movement.

Last week, Frank borrowed $200,000 from his personal savings to prop up his campaign, saying he needed “to defend against outside attacks.”

Comment by butters
2010-10-28 07:48:20

Iraq war veteran? Is that the only claim to fame for this Sean guy? No wonder his party stinks so bad.

Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 08:32:12

Errr - what was obama’s claim to fame again before he was elected as prez?

Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 08:41:34

He didn’t have any claim to fame, 150 something days in the senate and before that I really do know. I have read he was a community organizer whatever the hell that is. However it just goes to show if you are slick enough and the voters are stupid enough (and they are) anyone can be prez.

Oh and or course the being half black thing went a long way in helping him. Plus the republicant’s put up John McCain and that really did it for Barry.

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Comment by michael
2010-10-28 09:01:51

Obama Qualifications:

- he speaks really well with a teleprompter (note the president in the awesome movie Idiocracy used teleprompters…great movie if you havn’t seen it).

- he sends thrills down MSM reporters’ legs.

- hell…oprah likes him!

- he’s not george bush.

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2010-10-28 10:10:31

I can’t stand the tea party for the most part, but it’d be worth voting one in to get rid of Frank. He and Dodd are my least favorite politicians. They totally worked and voted in line with the deregulation and crappy loan standards that helped cause this train wreck, then spout off outrage over what has happened. They should have been canned long ago.

Comment by measton
2010-10-28 11:53:58

As the accused socialist on this board I was thinking of sending money to this Tea Party guy I’ve never heard of. It would make a hell of a statement to have Barney Frank tossed out. I just have to make sure he’s not an O’donnel.

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Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 12:03:01

FYI - the one self-decribed socialist in congress (Bernie Sanders) voted against TARP.

 
 
 
 
Comment by neuromance
2010-10-28 18:35:48

What would all his bankster buddies do if old slobbering Barney took it in the rear? No pun intended!

They’d buy off his replacement.

The problem is that politicians are representatives of the highest bidder, not representatives of the people. And the politicians like it that way. And the people did, for a long time, too.

 
 
Comment by butters
2010-10-28 07:28:07

Of course not.

GREENWICH, Conn. — Democratic Rep. Jim Himes says he isn’t afraid of the Tea Party. Specifically, the Connecticut freshman doesn’t worry about the anti-bailout fervor endangering his Democratic colleagues.

“There’s a 50-mile radius around New York City,” Himes, a former Goldman Sachs banker, tells me, “where ‘everything-is-Wall-Street’s-fault’ doesn’t fly like it does in Iowa.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 07:43:01

no thanks.

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 08:33:21

What is the effective range of a $1 trillion bailout to wall street?

Looks like about 50 miles…

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 10:24:46

Th effective blast radius of $1 Trillion dollars in Wall Street bailouts is…50 miles.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:26:38

““There’s a 50-mile radius around New York City,” Himes, a former Goldman Sachs banker, tells me, “where ‘everything-is-Wall-Street’s-fault’ doesn’t fly like it does in Iowa.”

Once again we see that New Yorker’s think the world revolves around them.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 07:45:28

Factoid: According to the U.S. Treasury Department, the U.S. national debt is rapidly closing in on 14 trillion dollars and will climb to an estimated $19.6 trillion by 2015.

Even the United States of America cannot endlessly borrow to sustain itself any more than a hapless citizen can spend more each year than he brings in. The enormity of the public debt guarantees future lower living standards. We’re experiencing them already and it’s not fun.

This pressure accounts in large part for the fiercely contentious political campaigns. This election cycle is different, says political commentator Roger Simon. “More desperate. More depressing. More draining. More filled with despair than hope.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 07:47:18

Laurence Vance offers 5 reasons he won’t vote:

1. I don’t live in Ron Paul’s district.
2. I have a greater chance of slipping in the bathtub and cracking my skull than my vote counting.
3. The Republicans are not the lesser of two evils.
4. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
5. “Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.” (Bible)

< A friend once declared “If more people turned out to vote we’d be a better nation.”

What he meant was “If more people who think like I do would show up at the polls this country would be greatly improved.”

Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 08:34:39

Laurence Vance could actually run for an office…but that would require effort.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-10-28 09:06:33

Vote Cthulhu!

Why vote for the lesser evil?

 
Comment by butters
2010-10-28 09:18:02

I am NOT voting either for the reasons #1, #3 and #4.

Comment by oxide
2010-10-28 09:42:01

but you’ll complain…

Comment by butters
2010-10-28 11:50:16

Oh, ya….. (in a Barry White voice)

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Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 07:56:07

“It seems difficult for some to understand that high rates of taxation do not necessarily mean large revenue for the Government, and that more revenue may often be obtained by lower rates.”
~Andrew Mellon, 1920s Treasury Secretary.

Yet the liberal drumbeat is constant….”Gotta tax the rich more.”

But look at the ’20s. “Between 1921 and 1929, tax rates in the top brackets were cut from 73 percent to 24 percent. In other words, these were what the left likes to call ‘tax cuts for the rich,’ ” explains Dr. Thomas Sowell.

“What happened to federal revenues from income taxes over this same span of time? Income tax revenues rose by more than 30 percent. What happened to the economy? Jobs increased, output rose, the unemployment rate fell and incomes rose.”

Even the most ardent liberal cannot change the historical record. Raising tax rates does not result in a windfall for the government. Just the opposite. High taxes are a drag on the economy.

~ Fallacy

Comment by Steve J
2010-10-28 08:39:49

But what happened in 1929 though??

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-10-28 10:42:42

The same thing that always happens when too much money concentrates in too few hands- economic collapse. Pretty pitiful to use the 1920s as an example of good economic stewardship.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:35:17

Yep. That definitely qualifies as “unclear on the concept.” :lol:

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Comment by michael
2010-10-28 09:07:05

look at historical EFFECTIVE tax rates on the top 1% and you will see the change is not that dramatic.

(i think)

 
Comment by measton
2010-10-28 12:26:07

Andrew mellon

That’s laughable. The Fox says that you can often have more chickens by letting the chickens you have run free in the yard.

 
 
Comment by gary
2010-10-28 08:23:25

little help

i am here in phoenix..bidding on foreclosures..anybody have title company that will check liens and titles cheap? gary_given at yahoo

thx

Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 08:36:03

FYI - you can do it yourself at the county courthouse…

Comment by Kim
2010-10-28 12:53:13

My county has it all online. Anyone can get that info.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-10-28 22:35:37

Sounds like you’ve got the cart before the horse.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-10-28 08:38:25

The end of the line:

Ironically the title of a really well made recent documentary on overfishing. I got laid off yesterday (by circumstance). I am a wholesale seafood dealer and the government just passed a new law making an “area closure” for the fist time off our coast. The closure makes no sense at all because overfishing is not even close to being an issue due to a paring down of the commercial fleet as new regulation after new regulation has passed in recent years and reduced the amount of fishermen that are left to practically nothing. The area closed is where 98% of all local fish is caught. I have been selling local fish for the last 20 years. The new law goes into effect in one month and that will be the end of my career in this business. Every other fishing-related business along the coast will suffer heavily if not be shut down outright. I don’t know what I am going to do.

Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 10:29:42

I don’t know what I am going to do.

I sincerely hope that things work out for you. I know it is not much - but I do offer my prayers.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-10-28 11:17:31

Thank you 2banana for your kind thoughts. Thankfully I am a saver (a curse of late) and am not in an immediately desperate situation. What hurts the most is having to shut down a business I created from thin air twenty years ago and shaving to step out into the unknown in the current environment. I meant to post a link to the front-page article on the story - its a small community (the commercial fishermen) and not a huge story in the scheme of all of the current economic shocks, but it is our whole world. Everyone is pretty devastated.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/local/east-volusia/2010/10/28/more-new-rules-worry-fishermen.html

Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 13:44:01

Can you blame it on BP and get in their money train? ;-)

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Comment by Rancher
2010-10-28 13:39:44

I’m sorry to hear about this Press. I really am.

The same thing happened to us 30 years ago when
the spotted owl was taken off the dinner menu.
That bird, sauteed and grilled, tasted great but
the lack of birds killed off our logging industry faster than the pine borer is doing it now.

 
 
Comment by CrackerJim
2010-10-28 10:51:07

Does the closing of the fishing area affect the fishing efforts of non-USA fishers in the same waters?

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-10-28 11:21:03

Nobody will be allowed to fish there. Its great if you are a fish.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-10-28 14:54:48

I’m sorry pressboardbox. This is a bummer I know. I know what it is like to shut down a business due to matters beyond one’s control but in a way, the matters being out of my control made it a little easier to stomach.

You did not “fail” and there was nothing you could have done differently to affect the outcome and this will bring solace in times to come.

Confer with an accountant or lawyer about the proper dissolution of your business entity and do all that is required to put it to rest legally.

Take some time for yourself, rest, try to find something that interests you and then come out swinging. It’s not easy but you’ll be OK.

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Comment by scdave
2010-10-28 20:34:37

This is sad…I hope & pray for you…To do something that long that you love and the poof it goes away…I guess thats what some here feel about all the outsourcing/off-shoring that has gone on..I hope you find something rewarding and sustainable going forward…

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Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 12:30:22

I know it’s no solace, but perhaps and I hope something good comes out of this for you. Good Luck!

It’s all but impossible to fight any federal regulations, and when you do fight they just wear you down over time.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-10-28 12:42:07

I don’t know what I am going to do.

I am really sorry to hear that. I hate not having options - you have my best wishes.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-10-28 13:04:31

Wow, Pressboardbox, I am really sorry to hear that.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-10-28 13:48:02

Sorry to hear about this bad turn. I hope that after some much deserved time off you have the inspiration to start something new and interesting.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-10-28 13:54:13

Hang in there, buddy! Sounds like you know how to make things happen though, you’ll work something out I’m sure. If anything you should be writer, your posts crack me up - especially lately - you’ve been on a tear!

Oh, given that so many fish are caught in that soon-to-be closed area, how will that effect seafood prices?

 
 
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Comment by oxide
2010-10-28 11:00:37

#2. Buffalo-Niagara Falls: “and for all you sports fans, it’s home of the Buffalo Bills football team…”

This is NOT an advantage…

Comment by DennisN
2010-10-28 11:24:13

Doesn’t NY have exhorbitant property tax rates?

Comment by exeter
2010-10-28 19:19:12

Buffalo?!!!! WTF!!!

Yes property taxes are high…. Only 3 months of winter? You don’t know Buffalo. Try 6 months of “unfavorable” weather.

Buffalo was the center of commerce back at the turn of 20th century…. it’s a very old has-been.

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Comment by butters
2010-10-28 12:15:39

8 out of 10 cold places. 3 months of brutal winter……

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-10-28 13:38:38

Just three?

The guys I know in MSP say winter there is a November-late April deal.

Comment by butters
2010-10-28 14:22:34

November and March are tolerable.

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Comment by englishmaninNJ
2010-10-28 08:49:38

Don’t really know what to say about this story, except read the comments section - someone makes a really good point about the possinble motivation of the Realtor:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-mummy-20101028,0,5871551.story

Comment by rms
2010-10-28 18:21:31

A career working with children is a life spent in penury, so you need to marry someone productive. The social safety net likely would have provided more if she were an illegal alien. Sad.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 08:51:50

Home Builders Slash 2010 Construction Forecast

The National Association of Home Builders Wednesday slashed its 2010 forecast for single-family home construction, but said activity will accelerate the following two years as the economy improves.

Single-family housing starts are set to grow 8.4% this year to 479,000 before construction hits 655,000 new houses in 2011 and 970,000 in 2012, the association said.

“Single-family starts will revive, slowly,” chief economist David Crowe said in presentation slides ahead of the group’s construction forecast seminar.

In May, the group had forecast 552,000 single-family starts in 2010. That would have been a 24.9% jump from last year’s 442,000, the lowest annual output since the government began collecting the data in 1959.

“I had earlier this year expected a much better increase,” Crowe said.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 08:53:15

If Megabank, Inc does not plan to seek emergency loans in the future, perhaps they will better avoid throwing away money on too-big-to-repay loans in the present.

OPINION
OCTOBER 28, 2010

Time for Bailout Transparency

Big banks don’t want you to know which of them went to the Fed for emergency help
By MATTHEW WINKLER

Americans remain bitter about federal bailouts, even after every penny of the $309 billion rescue of banks and insurers was returned at a profit. Why? Because our government refuses to disclose all of the facts and, until it does, every poll will continue to show a lack of confidence in the government and in the companies that finance America.

More than a dozen books have been written about the collapse of the world’s biggest credit market and the government’s unprecedented steps to protect hundreds of banks from certain ruin. Yet we still don’t know: Who made the decisions? Under what circumstances? When and where was public money disbursed, and how was it allocated?

While the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index has recovered more than 60% since March 2009, for the first time in decades the individual investor isn’t participating in the stock market rally, even with the lowest bond yields since Eisenhower was in the White House. Without complete disclosure, is it no surprise Wall Street is perceived as mammon.

Now the Clearing House Association, which represents 20 of the country’s biggest commercial banks, is asking the Supreme Court to keep the bailout secret. The issue is the identities of financial firms that borrowed from Federal Reserve programs including the discount window, which had loans outstanding for as much as $111 billion in 2008.

Bloomberg LP, the parent of Bloomberg News, is suing under the Freedom of Information Act to force the Fed to name names. Bloomberg’s case prevailed in federal court and on appeal (at which point the Fed, though not the Clearing House Association, decided against further appeal).

Attorneys for the banks—Bank of America, J.P. Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Wells Fargo among them—are asking the high court to reverse those rulings. They argue that divulging details about borrowers will stigmatize the institutions, put them at a competitive disadvantage and make them less likely to seek emergency loans in the future.

There is no history that shows opacity is better for markets and the economy than transparency. Money flees secrecy. Unanswered questions engender suspicion, which undermines the financial system while giving some participants an unfair advantage.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-10-28 11:02:34

I think they will find that non-regulated banks got to borrow from the
Window and other entities that aren’t associated with the regulatory
banking system . Further, I think they will find that the junk bonds that
were given to the Feds in return for the high loan to value loans weren’t even examined by the Feds and just taken at their fraudulent face
value . Buts all these entities in the position of saying bail us out or we will default on these loans back3ed by shit .

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 08:56:02

Rich Americans feel better off, still wary: Merrill

NEW YORK (Reuters) – Wealthy U.S. investors feel better about their financial matters than they did a year ago, yet Americans also say they also expect to work much longer than they had once hoped, brokerage giant Merrill Lynch said, citing its latest investor survey.

Some 41 percent of Americans with at least $250,000 of investable assets say their finances are in better shape than last year, with 37 percent reporting no change. Three out of four of the 1,000 people surveyed said they were confident their finances would improve in the coming year.

Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 10:31:49

with at least $250,000 of investable assets

Back in the day - that would have been by owning a house for a few months and liberating the new equity…

 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-10-28 09:02:21

The usual suspects led the list of top cities for foreclosure filings during the last three months.

Cities in four states — California, Florida, Nevada, and Arizona — accounted for the 13 hardest hit areas, according to foreclosure marketer RealtyTrac, which released its third quarter report on Thursday.

Las Vegas was far and away the hardest hit metro area. One out of every 25 housing units — more than 32,000 homes — attracted some kind of foreclosure filing, including notices of default, auction notices and repossessions.

Cape Coral, Fla., had the second highest foreclosure rate, with one in 35 homes getting hit with a filing. It was trailed by three Central Valley California cities: Modesto (one in 36), Stockton (one in 39) and Merced (one in 40).

The main causes of foreclosure are high unemployment, underemployment, toxic loans and negative equity, and “these historically high foreclosure rates will continue until those problems are resolved,” said James Saccacio, RealtyTrac’s CEO.

Miami had a total of nearly 59,000 properties with filings, more than any other metro area. Los Angeles had nearly 49,000.

Several metro areas experienced significant increases in already substantial foreclosure numbers. Filings almost doubled in the Riverside-San Bernardino area compared with three months earlier, to nearly 36,000 properties.

Vallejo, Calif., filings jumped 45%, quarter to quarter; Tampa, Fla., rang up a 58% increase; and San Diego recorded a 62% increase.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 09:15:57

As Foreclosures Keep Coming, Renters Are Threatened Once Again

It’s one of those stories that sounds appalling, that you might hope the media is playing up just for its shock value: responsible and conscientious tenants who suddenly find themselves evicted and out of a home — because the property they are renting is under foreclosure.

At the start of the recession, reports of renters being blindsided by foreclosure notices were not unusual. The problem prompted President Obama to sign the federal Protecting Tenants at Foreclosure Act in 2009. It requires tenants receive a 90-day notice if they are being evicted due to foreclosure — and that most existing leases for renters be honored up to the end of their term.

Foreclosures Rising

Some long-time observers of the housing market believe the federal law and an improving economy have reduced the number of tenants caught up in foreclosure. “There’s more bark than bite right now in what we’re seeing, with . . . tenants getting stuck,” says Scott Lukes, president of Denver-based Echo Summit Property Management. “However, property management is a hugely fragmented industry, with a lot of smaller players. Individual landlords, people who own one, two, three properties [or] real estate investors that are trying to squeeze blood out of the turnip — those are the areas where there’s a lot more risks for renters.”

See full article from DailyFinance: http://srph.it/d4y612

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 09:20:32

Well there you go, it really is in their blood…

Researchers Find the ‘Liberal Gene’
Don’t hold liberals responsible for their opinion — they can’t help themselves.

A new study has concluded that ideology is not just a social thing, it’s built into the DNA, borne along by a gene called DRD4. Tagged “the liberal gene,” DRD4 is the first specific bit of human DNA that predisposes people to certain political views, the study’s authors claim.

“We hypothesize that individuals with a genetic predisposition toward seeking out new experiences will tend to be more liberal, but only if they are embedded in a social context that provides them with multiple points of view,” wrote lead researcher James H. Fowler — a professor of medical genetics and political science at the University of California, San Diego.

The paper, which appears in the latest edition of The Journal of Politics, focused on 2,000 subjects from The National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. By matching genetic information with maps of each individual’s social network, the researchers were able to show that people with a specific variant of the DRD4 gene were more likely to be liberal as adults — although only if they had an active adolescent social life.

Comment by lavi d
2010-10-28 10:55:04

DRD4 is the first specific bit of human DNA that predisposes people to certain political views, the study’s authors claim.

So a lack of this gene makes you insecure and fearful of change?

Comment by Steve J
2010-10-28 12:13:15

Notice that they said ‘human DNA’. This may help explain zombie Reagan.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-10-28 12:05:50

although only if they had an active adolescent social life.

That goes a long way in explaining Shrub pre-Yale. ;-)

Comment by scdave
2010-10-28 20:38:28

+ 1HWY :)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 12:22:28

So libs can now be referred to as GD’s, genetic defects.

They are being honest though when they whine it’s not fair and it’s not my fault!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:41:57

Gotta love The Onion.

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-10-28 09:30:27

There has been a lot of discussion regarding the number of billions of dollars the fed will print. The estimates range from 500 billion to 4 trillion. I don’t think the quantity matters to the fed as much as the outcome.

I suspect they’ll put the printing presses in perpetual printing mode. The fed will print 80 to 120 billion (maybe more) a month for as long as it takes to get real interest rates negative. They’ll announce 6 months of printing with option to review. And after review, if the outcome isn’t achieved, they’ll print some more.

They’ll print until the tech, housing, and commodities bubbles are reflated. They’ll print until cash hoarder succumb. They’ll make it very painful to save but very attractive to borrow. To perpetuity!

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 11:16:14

“They’ll print until cash hoarder succumb.”

I thought they had decided against QE2 Shock and Awe in their War on Savers. But then again, an element of surprise is a key part of the Shock and Awe tactic…

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-10-28 13:52:15

I am but a caveman, so I need someone to explain this to me.

-Fed prints money, almost all of which goes straight to the banksters.

-Banksters either gamble with it, or keep it to improve their balance sheets. You could say they are essentially burning it. Either way, Joe Blow from Kokomo never sees any of it.

-Banksters balance sheets look better, on paper. How is it inflationary, when it for all intents and purposes, is burned to keep the banksters all nice and cozy?

Other than some commodities, everything I’m seeing with my own eyes says deflation.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-10-28 14:12:10

Somebody a while back said the inflation from creating the money to save the banks was ALREADY produced in housing prices back when the bad loans were originally created. Made sense to me. If so, until we actually print more than is disappearing, we’ll see deflation overall. But as somebody else said, that doesn’t mean you can’t have a combination of deflation in the things you want but inflation in the things you need.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 09:33:32

Utah remains among highest in foreclosures
Published: Wednesday, Oct. 27, 2010 10:07 p.m. MDT
By Jasen Lee, Deseret News

SALT LAKE CITY — Utah and its largest metropolitan areas are again among the nation’s highest foreclosure rates, according to a new report.

RealtyTrac — an Irvine, Calif.-based market research firm — released its Q3 2010 Metropolitan Foreclosure Market Report, which ranked Provo-Orem at No. 30, Salt Lake City at No. 31 and Ogden-Clearfield at No. 58 all in the top foreclosure rates for the third quarter among metropolitan areas with a population of at least 200,000 people.

With one in every 36 housing units receiving a foreclosure filing during the third quarter, Modesto, Calif., posted the third-highest metro foreclosure rate despite an 18 percent decrease in foreclosure activity from the third quarter of 2009, the release stated.

The report showed that cities in California, Florida, Nevada and Arizona accounted for all top 10 foreclosure rates in the third quarter. California, Florida, Nevada and Arizona cities also accounted for 19 of the top 20 metro foreclosure rates. The only exception was Boise City-Nampa, Idaho. At No. 14, it was also one of only five metro areas ranking in the top 20 to post a year-over-year increase in foreclosure activity.

“The underlying problems that are causing homeowners to miss their mortgage payments — high unemployment, underemployment, toxic loans and negative equity — are continuing to plague most local housing markets,” said James Saccacio, chief executive officer of RealtyTrac. “And these historically high foreclosure rates will continue until those problems are resolved.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 09:37:12

Hair-of-the-dog hangover cure fails; tremendous headache becomes noticeably painful:

Vacancies up, rates down, construction minimal

Next year offers very little in new construction as builders and developers await an improved job and economic picture

By Roger Showley

Wednesday, October 27, 2010 at 5:09 p.m.

New homes are still being built in the county, but 2010 is ending up to be the second worst since World War II, and 2011 is shaping up to be better, but not at boomtime levels. Nonresidential construction also is expected to be below the pace of recent years.

San Diego County’s economy not only feels like it’s stuck in neutral, but it also looks that way when you search in vain for that one key visual indicator of growth and development — construction cranes.

Except for a few government and institutional projects, there’s not much under way in any of the major building sectors: housing, offices, industrial parks or retail centers.

Just this week, the Construction Industry Research Board reported that permit activity year to date was valued at $1.2 billion, up 7.7 percent from year-ago levels but less than half of what was going on three years ago. The valuation for the same period in 2007 was nearly $2.6 billion.

San Diego isn’t the only place that’s suffering a prolonged construction hangover from the go-go years at the beginning of the century. Unlike past slumps, real estate is not poised to drag the economy out of a recessionary funk.

We really don’t need much new of anything,” said one interviewee in the annual Emerging Trends report, issued by the Urban Land Institute, a Washington think tank.

 
Comment by michael
2010-10-28 10:16:54

heading to the jon stewart thingy this weekend. got my Che Guevara t-shirt washed and ironed.

but i may wear my “debt equals wealth” t-shirt instead.

Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 10:35:42

I like the

“Kill a commie for your mommie” T-shirts

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 11:10:39

When you have a tax shortfall, don’t you just raise taxes?

Tax Shortfalls Spur New Fear on Europe’s Recovery
The New York Times

The mathematics of austerity are getting harder. With economic conditions weaker than expected, tax revenue is coming up short of projections in parts of Europe.

As a result, countries struggling with high deficits are now confronting the prospect that they will miss the budget deficit targets forced upon them this year by impatient bond investors.

Greece, for one, looks as if it will run a budget deficit for 2010 greater than the 8.1 percent of gross domestic product it agreed to as part of a rescue package from the International Monetary Fund and the European Union that amounted to more than $150 billion, according to a person briefed on the matter but not authorized to speak about it.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 11:12:42

Top real-estate firm closing ~ 28 Oct 2010
McClatchy-Tribune Information Services

Five area Coldwell Banker Wachholz and Co. Real Estate offices in Northwest Montana will close their doors Nov. 5.

Ryon Brewer, Coldwell Banker chief operating officer and managing broker, announced the closures Wednesday. The offices are in leased buildings in Kalispell, Whitefish, Lakeside, Eureka and Plains.

The 40 brokers and sales associates affiliated with the agency all are independent contractors, Brewer said. Most are expected to move to other area agencies “and their listings and customers will go with them.”

“Our exceptional agents will continue to provide the same level of service they are known for,” he said.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:44:37

Seems like 5 offices was little much to begin with for someplace literally out in the middle of nowhere.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-10-28 11:13:46

People who endorse the survival of the rotten corrupt financial systems
are people that like the concept of being able to cheat . If financial systems are based on “catch us if you can ” without enough cops on the beat ,than people just want to get rich quick at the expense of the Majority . Making money the good old fashion way isn’t good enough for for the Ponzi-schemers .

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-10-28 16:03:21

..are people that like the concept of being able to cheat..

That’s exactly right..

A population that’s stacked from top to bottom with something-for-nothing crooks and cheaters will have that type of financial system.

Same goes for their government… and everything else.

The character of a society’s institutions, public and private, mirrors that of the people who live within it.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 16:48:18

“The character of a society’s institutions, public and private, mirrors that of the people who live within it.”

Thus if we discover fraud and corruption in the highest level of the U.S. banking system, we should not hold them accountable for their misdeeds, as they are merely mirroring the character of their society.

I’m not buying it, Joey. I think Wall Street banksters are more crooked than the average church-going Midwesterner.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-10-28 20:08:32

well of course you don’t buy it. Nor do most people. That’s what perpetuates the situation.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:46:06

“…catch us if you can…”

You’ve just described the entire history of America.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-10-28 17:49:40

You’ve just described the entire history of America the world.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 11:15:32

Idaho officials poised to cut $8 million in Medicaid services to mentally ill and disabled.

BOISE, Idaho (AP) - The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare is poised to make more than $8 million in cuts to Medicaid programs and services for low-income adults with severe mental illness and children with autism and other developmental disabilities.

The agency has drafted a new set of rules that authorize cuts in services or elimination of some programs designed to trim about $1.6 million from its current fiscal year budget. Those cuts, however, would also trigger the loss of another $6.5 million in federal Medicaid matching funds used to reimburse care providers.

“I know nobody wants to see a further reduction in services,” said Leslie Clement, the department’s Medicaid administrator. “But we have to move forward. I think we’ve been pretty careful about the changes we’re making.”

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:47:17

“Because after all, what can they do about it!”

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 11:17:57

Paterson: 898 state workers to be laid off by year’s end

Gov. David Paterson said 898 public employees will be laid off this year in an effort to reduce the state work force by 2,000.

Paterson had earlier predicted that a majority of the total job cuts would be accomplished by layoffs.

Paterson said public employee unions that rebuffed his requests for a lag pay period or a furlough are to blame.

“I thought that the majority would be layoffs. We’re pleased to say that only 40 percent of them will be, but that’s still a lot of jobs, and I feel very sorry doing it, but I feel I was forced into it,” Paterson said.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 11:21:04

Now we’re talking, flush the whole damn cesspool!

65% Favor Getting Rid of Entire Congress and Starting Over
Thursday, October 28, 2010

Let’s face it: Most Americans don’t have much use for either of the major political parties and think it would be better to dump the entire Congress on Election Day.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 65% of Likely U.S. Voters say if they had the option next week, they would vote to get rid of the entire Congress and start all over again. Only 20% would opt to keep the entire Congress instead. Fifteen percent (15%) aren’t sure.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-10-28 12:00:19

So how can we make it an option?

Also how can we put a “None of the above. Get me 2 new choices” option in the voting booth?

 
Comment by Kim
2010-10-28 13:01:36

“Only 20% would opt to keep the entire Congress instead. Fifteen percent (15%) aren’t sure.”

So 35% of those polled are either a Congresscritter, the family of a Congresscritter, or not paying attention.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-10-28 16:16:01

yeah.. everyone wants to dump everything…and replace it with.. umm.. ?

We can cross that bridge when we come to it.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-10-28 20:41:02

I am in… Flush the toilet…

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 11:27:23

007’s Aston Martin fetches $4.1M at auction (AP)

The Aston Martin DB5 used by Sean Connery’s James Bond was auctioned off Wednesday for $4.1 million. The winning bidder is an American classic cars collector who has a small private museum in Ohio.…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 11:34:21

Wouldn’t the natural path to “success” by the Gross definition be for the Fed to simply stop using its monetary policy hammer to pound down long-term interest rates?

Treasury 10-Year Yields May Signify Fed’s Success, Gross Says: Tom Keene
By Susanne Walker and Tom Keene - Oct 28, 2010 10:42 AM PT

Bill Gross, manager of the world’s largest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co., said a rise in 10-year Treasury note yields would signify success by the Federal Reserve in reviving inflation and economic growth.

“If it does work, here’s why the 10-year goes down in yield then back in yield, it’s because the out years, five, six, seven, eight, nine and 10 are vulnerable to inflation and higher policy rates in those particular years,” Gross said in an interview today on “Bloomberg Surveillance” with Tom Keene.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 11:45:31

Yet another Presidential Dollar!

The Lincoln dollar coin is to be issued in mid-November. Like the others in the series it’s ugly, but it’s the real thing and if the Bureau of Engraving and Printing would stop producing $1.00 bills the dollar coins will come into circulation and we’ll get used to them.

Big point: The dollar bill is legally as well as physically distinct from the dollar coin. It requires signatures from the Treasurer of the U.S. and the Secretary of the Treasury, plus serial numbers. The coins don’t. Moreover, the Federal Reserve can buy dollar bills from the printer for a few cents each. However, the Fed must get its dollar coins from the U.S. Mint….at face value.

Comment by 2banana
2010-10-28 12:07:50

America used to produce such beautiful coins - Liberty dollar, Morgan dollar, Peace Dollar, Walking Liberty Half Dollar - even the Buffalo nickel, Mercury Dime and the Indian Head Penny had alot of merit.

The Augustine Fly Eagle $20 gold coin is rated as one of the most beautiful coins ever made.

Now we make such UGLY coins.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-10-28 12:10:12

Plan “C”: Invest in Confederate bills,…seriously. :-)

 
Comment by Steve J
2010-10-28 12:15:50

What would happen to the single moms working their way threw college?

Comment by LA Wallflower
2010-10-28 22:04:06

Same as in Canada. Small bruises all over from thrown coins.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 12:16:07

Teachers Spent $9M On Cosmetic Surgery in 2009
28 Oct 2010

BUFFALO, N.Y. - The state-appointed authority overseeing Buffalo public school finances says taxpayer-covered cosmetic surgery rung up by the city’s teachers totaled nearly $9 million in 2009.

The Buffalo Fiscal Stability Authority reports that last year’s costs for such elective procedures as chemical peels and other skin treatments are up $8 million over the 2004 tab for cosmetic surgery provided under the teachers’ union contract.

School district officials say teachers or their dependents accounted for 90 percent of the approximately 500 people who received cosmetic surgery last year. About 10,000 district employees are eligible for the benefit.

The president of the teachers’ union says the union has agreed to give up the benefit in the next contract.

Comment by Kim
2010-10-28 12:59:38

“The president of the teachers’ union says the union has agreed to give up the benefit in the next contract.”

“In the next contract”? Is he serious? When does that start?

 
Comment by measton
2010-10-28 13:10:38

There any reasons for cosmetic surgery.

Trauma
Cancer
Burns
Skin conditions

Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 13:49:57

Sure there are however this is “elective” surgery they are talking about. I guess you missed that part of the paragraph.

 
 
Comment by rms
2010-10-28 17:30:59

“Teachers Spent $9M On Cosmetic Surgery in 2009″

This story’s title reminds me of a junior college calculus instructor, a confident forty-something Berkeley vegetarian with an awesome figure. Every male in that classroom was simply mesmerized watching her draw a large flawless integral or summation symbol on the blackboard, which caused her full breasts to heave and jiggle some behind her typical shear bra and tight fitting cotton halter. Her Levi 501s didn’t conceal her tight no-contact thighs. The ladies less than half her age in the class didn’t stand a chance!

We now return you to your regular programming. :)

Comment by roger
2010-10-28 20:53:34

I could only dream of cameltow calculus but I have a indolent mind

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:51:06

New York Teachers Union at it again. With this bunch, I can agree with anti-union sentiments.

And that’s saying something!

 
 
Comment by SOLD IN 05
2010-10-28 12:16:43

Halliburton knew weeks before the blast on a BP rig in the Gulf of Mexico that the cement mixture it planned to use to seal the well was unstable, a commission found.They should send them all to jail!!!! instead more govt contacts on the way

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-10-28 15:15:46

Halliburton ;-)

“These f@!king Guys!,” Jon Stewart.

Ho ho, hah hah, hehehehehehe, BwaHaHaAhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower™)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:52:47

Have you read about their poisoning the water supply for our troops in Iraq and Afghn’stn?

Yep. “These f@!king Guys!,”

 
 
Comment by SOLD IN 05
2010-10-28 12:25:01

BP, Halliburton and TransAmerica all should be fined right out of business. The degree of deception and lies perpetrated from the inception of their awards of the right to lease and drill are so egregious that a most severe penalty shoud be imposed. They lied about their ability to control a blowout, they disregarded coast guard orders to stop using Corexit. Tens of thousands of people along the Gulf are now ill with symptoms of ailiments linked to exposure of crude oil and corexit along with benzine and other chemical compounds, a deadly mix.
The eleven lives lost, uncouted marine mammals killed, this whole disaster is dissapearing from the front pages yet people suffer still in many ways.
And the end of oil is upon us, we had better get our act together the worldwide decline in production is here. They’re just not telling you

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:55:04

I’m sorry, but not allowing large corporations to just kill, pillage and plunder at their leisure is just dang socialeest/commie thinking.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 12:44:42

It’s a rough time in the real estate market — at every price point.

Behold Vendovi Island in Washington state’s San Juan Islands. 216 acres, six beaches, a protected harbor and a four-bedroom house. Accessible only by boat or floatplane. Yours for just…

Well, that’s the problem. Islands aren’t selling well these days. “A lot of clients today wait and get everything for half the price,” says Farhad Vladi, owner of an island brokerage with offices in Canada and Germany.

When auctioned a month ago, the lone bid came from a preservation trust that could scrape together only $3.3 million — ahem, rather less than the confidential reserve set by owner David Fluke, whose family bought the spread for $225,000 in 1967.

“At this moment it is wait and see,” the broker tells the Seattle Times. But the competition is stiff — experts in the field say Vendovi is one of 100 “quality” islands for sale worldwide.

~ 5 Min. Forecast

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 12:50:02

Light House closing after 32-year run
The lights are going out on another store in Cape Coral.

A one-of-a-kind staple in this city since 1978, the Cape Light House on Southeast 46th Lane will be closing its doors Nov. 20.

“It was a very difficult decision,” said Russ Miller, who, along with his wife Teena, owns the business. “We’ve had some employees for more than 17 years.”

The choice to close came after a three-year struggle with the housing market collapse, he said. They tried waiting for the economy to improve, but it got to be too much, he said. The store’s customer base is mostly homebuilders and new residents, Miller said.

“It doesn’t seem like there is any light at the end of the tunnel in this market,” he said.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 12:51:07

Inventory train wreck dead ahead — and not only in housing!

MarketWatch First Take

Oct. 28, 2010, 3:47 p.m. EDT
Too much stuff
Commentary: Bulging inventories raise fourth-quarter concerns
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Where did the consumers go?

While this week’s flood of third-quarter earnings has been generally upbeat, behind the headlines lurks a growing mountain of unsold goods. The trend is perhaps easiest to spot in the apparel business.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:56:43

So, sales are good but inventory isn’t moving?

Uhm, what’s wrong with this picture?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 12:52:09

I was a robo-signer

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — It only took him a second to sign each foreclosure document.

That’s how good Tam Doan got at his job in Bank of America’s pre-sale foreclosure department in Southern California.

Of course, he didn’t have time to actually read the paperwork he was signing, he said, and in some cases, he didn’t even know what documents he was putting his pen to.

“I had no idea what I was signing,” said Doan. “Either you were in or you were out.”

The recent revelation that loan servicers had employees sign thousands of documents a month without verifying the information has thrown the foreclosure system into chaos. Judges are increasingly questioning whether the servicers have their paperwork in order.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 13:24:04

“It only took him a second to sign each foreclosure document.”

Wouldn’t a stamp potentially be much quicker?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-10-28 14:56:38

“It only took him a second to sign each foreclosure document.”

Wouldn’t a stamp potentially be much quicker?

that would be unethical

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 15:50:53

Of course!

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-10-28 16:16:55

Well, I was born a robo-signer`s daughter,
In a cabin, on a hill in Butcher Holler,
Daddy didn`t know what he was signing,
But his shoes were always shinning,
He shoveled foreclosures to make a robo’s dollar.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-10-28 16:50:27

“Either you were in or you were out.”

Roboloaf

BOFA:

Whats it gonna be Tam? Come on…I can wait all night… Whats it gonna be Tam… yes or no?? Whats it gonna be Tam? YES OR NO???

Tam:

Let me sleep on it
BOFA, BOFA, let me sleep on it
Let me sleep on it
And I’ll give you an answer in the morning

BOFA:

I GOTTA KNOW RIGHT NOW!!

Tam:

I couldn’t take it any longer
Lord I was crazed
And when the feeling came upon me
Like a tidal wave
I started started signing all those papers in a Purple Haze
And I would sign them till the end of time!
I swore, I would sign them till the end of time

So now I’m praying for the end of time
To hurry up and arrive
‘Cause if I gotta sign another paper for you
I don’t think that I can really survive
I’ll never break my promise or forget my vow

But God only knows what I can do right now

I’m praying for the end of time
It’s all that I can do
Praying for the end of time,
So I can end my time with you!!

Tam:
It was long ago and it was far away
And it was so much better than it is today

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-10-28 12:55:57

7 Tips For Staying Off the Chopping Block

In today’s uncertain economy, the unemployed aren’t the only people stressed out about work. Even those with jobs are worried, as businesses make drastic staff reductions to stay afloat. To have the best chance of avoiding the dreaded layoff, it is critical to know how to save yourself from your boss’ scorn.

http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/111150/tips-for-staying-off-the-chopping-block?mod=career-worklife_balance

Comment by ecofeco
2010-10-28 17:58:10

There’s only one rule: be related to the boss or a superior butt kisser.

 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-10-28 14:34:29

Rick Sharga was interviewed on Bloomberg today. His points that I heard in the few minutes I listened;

-Foreclosures will continue to accelerate through 2012

-It will take 2-3 years to deal with foreclosures once the foreclosure rate flatlines

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 15:46:08

Rough timing comparison with early 1990s recession:

Then / Now

Recession officially ended 3/1991 7/2009
CA housing market bottom* 1996 2014

*Projected from end of recent recession for current episode, assuming same timing as in early-1990s

- The overhang of foreclosures kept weighing on CA home prices for five years after the NBER said the early-1990s national U.S. recession was over.

- Because the recent bubble was far bigger and more protracted than the late-1980s bubble, especially in CA, it may take more than five years from the end of the recent recession for prices to bottom out.

Comment by rms
2010-10-28 16:43:22

“Rough timing comparison with early 1990s recession:”

This time we have falling wages and high unemployment due to globalism, so the housing market bottom will likely be a moving target, downward.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 15:48:26

Better time to buy new than used, and leave the foreclosure investing to the professionals?

The Financial Times
New home sales jump 6.6% in September
By Alan Rappeport in New York
Published: October 27 2010 14:27 | Last updated: October 27 2010 17:09

Sales of new homes rebounded from a record low in September, but purchases remained depressed as the real estate market faces continued pressure from a weak labour market, government figures showed on Wednesday.

A separate report showed that soaring demand for civilian aircraft provided a boost to US durable goods orders in September, but appetite for other items remained weak.

New home sales rose by 6.6 per cent to an adjusted annual rate of 307,000, according to the commerce department. That left sales off 13.3 per cent from the same month a year ago, when buyers were rushing to capitalise on the first-time homebuyer tax credit.

Last month sales were fuelled by a 60.6 per cent jump in the midwest, followed by modest gains in the northeast and south and a 9.9 per cent decline in the west.

“For the US over the longer term, the most important factor for the labour market is employment,” said Brian Levitt, economist at Oppenheimer Funds.

The US unemployment rate currently sits near 10 per cent, making mobility and household formation difficult for idle workers. Economists at Capital Economics note that new home sales have rebounded by 9 per cent since the expiration of the first-time homebuyer tax credit but still remain 25 per cent below their peak.

“The recent foreclosure crisis may even shift demand from existing homes to new homes,” said Paul Dales, senior US economist at Capital Economics.

 
Comment by lint
2010-10-28 19:03:30

Gold vs Bonds

http://tinyurl.com/34qxglv

Bond holders will be decimated…the nouveau bagholders.

Wide swaths of wealth redistribution as All the investment advisers gaining the ears of the sheeple demand that “safe” bonds be bought in times of woe. Of course a nice commish is attached to the bonds and no commish for gold/silver.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 19:03:47

San Diego’s economic index slips slightly
Index drops for first time in 18 months as homebuilding stalls

By Dean Calbreath

Originally published October 28, 2010 at 10:38 a.m., updated October 28, 2010 at 1:06 p.m.

For the first time since March 2009, San Diego’s index of leading economic indicators slid downward in September, dragged down by a sharp decline in residential construction.

Although four of the six components in the index were positive last month, the drop in home building and a slight rise in unemployment claims were enough to bring a halt to the 18-month rise of the monthly index, which was released yesterday by the Burnham-Moores Real Estate Institute at the University of San Diego.

USD Alan Gin, who compiles the index, described the decline as “a little worrisome,” but he added that it is not necessarily a signal that a downturn in the local economy is imminent, since economists usually look for three consecutive moves in the same direction to signal a turning point in an economy.

One positive sign is that a majority of the components in the Index were up during the month; the problem was that they were not up by very much,” Gin said. “This may be an indication that any growth in the local economy has slowed to the point where it has stalled. It remains to be seen whether this is just a temporary bump in an upward trend or the beginning of the dreaded ‘double-dip’ recession.

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-10-28 20:16:51

Wow I have a chance to change my moniker to “Bill in Florida” in a few weeks. I have a phone interview being set up next week. It’s the same line of work I’m in now. I have nine years of experience in this specialty. That’s almost half my career.

Would prefer to stay in LA, but my supervisor asked me a couple days ago if I can go to a different job shop. I cannot do that. I also know that if he forces me out, he’s going to get a lot of flak for it. It won’t alone get him demoted. But he’s accumulated a lot of bad marks since he became manager. This may be the last straw.

If the hourly rate is reasonable, I will snag it. Flights to/from Phoenix are at reasonable times. I will rent a furnished apartment if I get the gig.

Hoping that the prospective client will not ask me to start until January. I’m good in LA though December and my apartment lease expires in January.

My debts are paid off, I’ve been selling off my excess gold and platinum (down to a 10% allocation), and I have a lot of cash.

Comment by lint
2010-10-29 06:02:29

You are going to need that cash as hyperinflation is coming very soon.

Been picking up the precious metals on the latest dip. 10% allocation? You are badly exposed to rapid USD debasement from here.

Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-10-29 06:24:05

I am heavily into equities, and a good part of that is international stocks. The jury is still out on whether we will experience hyperinflation, inflation, or deflation.

Like some posters her noted in past threads, we are experiencing inflation in things we need and deflation or stagnation in things we want.

Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-10-29 06:25:46

“her” = “here”

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 23:51:04

* ROI
* OCTOBER 28, 2010, 12:40 P.M. ET

Warning: Retirement Disaster Ahead

* By BRETT ARENDS

Don’t let the rally in the stock and bond markets fool you. Many Americans are still hurtling towards a retirement disaster. Few realize it. Even many of those running the big pension funds don’t know.

That’s the conclusion of John West and Rob Arnott at Research Affiliates, an investment management firm, in Newport Beach, Calif. In their latest report, “Hope Is Not A Strategy,” they have some numbers to back it up.

“I worry a lot about people reaching their golden years and discovering, ‘Oh, I should’ve saved more,’ and ‘Oh, I don’t qualify for Social Security any more because it’s means tested’,” says Mr. Arnott, a widely respected market strategist. “We’re headed for a retirement train wreck,” he adds, “and it’s going to get really ugly over the next 15 years.”

Alarmist? Perhaps. But follow the math.

The returns you will get from your stock funds can only come from four things, they note: Dividends, earnings growth, inflation and changes in valuation.

Right now the dividend yield on U.S. stocks is about 2.2%, they note. Historically, earnings have only grown by a surprisingly low 1% a year in real, inflation-adjusted terms. Mr. Arnott tells me the average since 1900 is only about 1.2%, and in the last half century just 0.6%. Will we get more in the future? With the U.S. population ageing and heavily in debt? It’s hard to imagine.

Throw in a 2% inflation forecast–more on this later–and Research Affiliates forecasts a long-term return of 5.2%.

What about changes in valuation? Some generations are lucky. They invest in the stock market when it’s depressed and shares are cheap in relation to earnings. This was the case in the 1930s and the 1970s. Then they retire and cash out when the market is booming and shares are expensive in relation to earnings–such as in the 1960s and 1990s.

People today are not so lucky. The stock market’s latest rally has lifted shares already to pretty high levels in relation to average cyclically-adjusted earnings. This so-called “Shiller PE” (named after Yale professor Robert Shiller, who popularized the notion) has been an excellent indicator of market value. Right now it’s at about 22–well above its historic average of 16. The only time the market has boomed from these levels, was in the late 1990s bubble–an atypical moment unlikely to be repeated any time soon.

Now look at bonds. Thanks to the recent boom, the picture for investors here looks even worse. And there is less room for ambiguity, because bond coupons and the repayment of principal are fixed.

Based on the yields of prices across all investment grade bonds, Mr. West and Mr. Arnott calculate likely long-term bond returns from here of about 2.5%.

So an investor with 60% of his portfolio in stocks and 40% in bonds, a standard, if conservative, allocation, can expect a weighted average return from here of only about 4.1%.

To put this in context, they notice that the typical big pension fund is still expecting to earn about 7% to 8% a year.

When you strip out 2% inflation, that means pension fund managers are expecting 5-6% percent a year in real, inflation-adjusted terms.

But by Mr. West and Mr. Arnott’s numbers, investors can only expect about 2.1%.

Gulp.

Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2010-10-29 06:33:21

This has been predictable in the 80s and 90s. In 1990 I got interested in stock mutual funds and a few years later started buying outside my retirement plan. At the same time I was advising my sisters to live below their means and invest in stock mutual funds in a 401k or IRA. They never listened. I advised them time and time again. And I’m now a millionaire and they have no savings and in their 50s.

In your 50s and older you certainly do not want to have financial worries. If you have no savings, you certainly have worries. Particularly if you don’t have adult offspring to mooch off of. My nephew (34 years old) and niece (20-something) have no jobs and no savings.

My sisters do not know my net worth and I intend to keep that knowledge private unless I become an idiot and get married.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-28 23:53:07

* WEEKEND INVESTOR
* OCTOBER 23, 2010

What Does the ‘Foreclosure Crisis’ Mean for You?

The Recent Fracas May Not Hit You Where You Live— But the Fallout Could Affect You in Surprising Ways

By M.P. MCQUEEN, MARY PILON and JESSICA SILVER-GREENBERG

For the vast majority of homeowners, new questions about the state of foreclosures appear to be irrelevant. Few people seem to have been wrongly thrown out of their homes, and those who have been are generally months or years behind on their mortgage payments.

But the fallout from the crisis is beginning to be felt in real-estate markets across the country, particularly in places dominated by vacation homes and investment properties. Some of the worst-hit areas could be Western ski towns, because fall is the busiest time of the year for sales.

Real-estate salespeople in some of those places are worried. “September and October are usually the height of the selling-season for us,” says Rich Armstrong, who owns the brokerage Rare Properties in Jackson Hole, Wyo. “Now we are seeing a number of what we call ‘fence sitters,’ people who would have leapt in even a month ago, but now are waiting on the sidelines.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-10-29 00:02:32

I’m guessing that even if foreclosures slow in CA, the pace of defaults will not; in fact, casually glancing through our local weekly tonight, the Rancho Bernardo News Journal, I counted 15 notices of default — the first step in the foreclosure process, and something I never saw previously. These generally involve properties in Poway, an upscale community contiguous but just to the east of North County San Diego, and the properties appear to have all been mortgaged over the period from 2003-2007.

My guess is that once the paperwork issues are straightened out, CA foreclosures will have to go into overdrive to get caught up with mortgage debtors in default.

Foreclosure Freeze Cuts Sales, Supply in Hardest-Hit U.S. States
By John Gittelsohn - Oct 28, 2010 9:01 PM PT

Oct. 28 (Bloomberg) — Rick Sharga, senior vice president for marketing at RealtyTrac Inc., talks with Bloomberg’s Lisa Murphy about U.S. home foreclosures and the outlook for the housing market. (Source: Bloomberg)

U.S. home foreclosure sales are slowing in the states hardest-hit by the real estate crash as banks review their practices and delay seizures.

In Arizona, California and Nevada, foreclosure auctions on courthouse steps, known as trustee sales, are down 42 percent since Sept. 20, according to ForeclosureRadar, a real estate tracking service in Discovery Bay, California. In Florida’s Miami-Dade and Broward counties, fewer foreclosures have led to 18 percent declines this month in the number of repossessed homes listed for sale, said Ron Shuffield of Esslinger, Wooten, Maxwell Inc., a realty firm based in Coral Gables, Florida.

In a real estate market where as many as 7 million homes face foreclosure or have already been seized by lenders, according to Zillow Inc., a clog in the pipeline may delay a housing recovery, which won’t occur until home prices stop falling. That could in turn postpone a U.S. economic recovery. Distressed properties accounted for 31 percent of all U.S. home sales last month, RealtyTrac Inc. said Oct. 14.

If what’s a hiatus turns into a moratorium, that’s quite problematic,” Stan Humphries, chief economist for Zillow, a Seattle-based real estate data provider, said in an interview. “It will delay the ultimate bottoming process in the market.

 
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