November 2, 2010

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Comment by Cereal
2010-11-02 03:38:51

I’m writing in my cat for calif governor

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-11-02 07:04:12

Vote early. Vote often.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 07:48:40

Isn’t your cat the one that cheated on the other cat with the one that was involved in illegal gambling? No way I would vote for that crooked cat.

Comment by michael
2010-11-02 09:18:34

wrong cat…his/her cat was the one that hired the illegal mexican cat to clean its litter box.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 19:39:52

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Meg Whitman gets California (publicity machine) working again
November 2, 2010 | 11:04 am

Whitman Billionaire Meg Whitman’s record-breaking spending spree — more than $140 million of her own money, plus an additional $20 million or so in contributions — in what polls show may be a futile attempt to get elected governor of California raises a tricky ethical question.

…Whitman may not be much of a philanthropist, but she’s a one-woman economic-stimulus program for California, or at least California’s media industry.

…as one of those media professionals, I give my thanks to Whitman. But not my vote.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-11-02 04:02:48

I’m staring at my ballot and the word “Libertarian” is staring back at me.

I don’t want Meg or Barbara to win so I am voting for Moonbeam and Carly - it’s not that I WANT Moonbeam or Carly, but I want Meg and Barbara even less.

But as for the other offices … well, there’s that word “Libertarian” staring back at me. So I’m going to vote Libertarian for everything else. And I am betting a lot of other people are going to do the same.

We’ll see.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-02 04:16:14

Carly outsourced tens of thousands of American jobs and ran HP into the ground in the name of “shareholder value.” If Beelzebub himself were running against her, she still wouldn’t have my vote.

Comment by combotechie
2010-11-02 05:41:09

If Carly gets in that means Barbara gets thrown out.

If Barbara gets thrown out she takes a lot of politically entrenched camp followers along with her.

It’s good for Carly to get in this time so she can be thrown out the next time, and at time she too will take a lot of camp followers with her.

Comment by combotechie
2010-11-02 05:45:42

The politicians-for-life don’t want to restrict themselves to term limits so we voters need to do the restricting for them.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 09:44:31

FWIW in Mexico all electable offices are single term. Every two years they have an all new congress. Senators and the President (there is no VP in Mexico) serve a single 6 year term.

Single terms didn’t stop the corruption down there. All that happened was that the thieves became a lot more efficient.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-02 05:46:55

The clinical definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Election after election, the Republicrat duopoly presents the sheeple with a “choice”: Bad or worse. The dupes hold their noises and like Pavlov’s dogs, pull the “right” lever. And oddly enough, nothing changes, except for the worse.

When the sleazy, corrupt Establishment GOP puts up corporatist stooges like Carly and Meg, I vote for any right-thinking minor-party candidate or write in “John Galt” instead.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-11-02 05:57:11

“The clinical definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.”

The POLITICAL definition of insanity is to re-elect the same people over and over again who played a major part in destroying the economy.

 
Comment by michael
2010-11-02 11:13:32

i don’t think that’s the clinical definition.

“man’s car gets a flat tire in the middle of the night. he hops out and starts changing the tire…he accidently loses all the lug nuts and can’t find them in the dark. visibly upset by his predicament he hears a voice from the building across the way coming from the window. the man says “hey buddy…don’t worry about that…take one lug nut off of the other 3 wheels…3 on each tire will be ok ’til you get home. the man realizes the building is an “insane asylum” and says…”that’s a pretty good idea….what the hell are you doing in there?”. the man in the asylum responds…”hey…i may be crazy…but i ain’t stupid.”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 06:26:44

Agreed — political churn is good, because the sooner a new elected official gets thrown out, the less chance they have to grow their power base to a level where they can inflict major damage.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-11-02 06:34:59

“… the sooner a new elected official gets thrown out, the less chance they have to grow their power base to a level where they can inflict major damage.”

There it is. And the weaker their power base the less money candidates will draw from the special interests who pour in millions of dollars for campaigns searching for good returns on their investments.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-02 06:37:36

I’m voting for Ken Buck in here Colorado for just that reason. He will probably end up getting seduced by the power establishment and Wall Street filthy lucre, but at least there will be a courtship and wooing period where he may play coy and at least intitially act according to the public interest. There is at least the remote possibility he will stand up for true conservative values (which have nothing to do with the sham “family values” promoted by certain Christian-Right Elmer Gantrys). Whereas Senator Michael Bennet is already shamelessly in bed with the banksters, and never met a bailout he didn’t like.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 06:41:07

Some would say more churn makes bureaucrats more powerful.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 09:26:20

Ken Buck may need a wooing period to be seduced by Wall Street, but Mitch McConnell will hit him right away. Those Republicans weren’t voting 41 to filibuster dozens of times all on their own.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-11-02 09:50:27

Some would say more churn makes bureaucrats more powerful.

Yes, some would say that. Which is why serious reform has to focus on reducing the power of government overall, rather than playing political churn games.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-11-02 15:17:07

“…political churn is good, because the sooner a new elected official gets thrown out, the less chance they have to grow their power base to a level where they can inflict major damage.

Jane had a great post about this the other day. I like Jane- she has great taste in dogs and likes to garden. Here it is:

Comment by jane
2010-10-31 12:00:44

MFLI, the thing that is a threat to all of our freedoms is not the candidate, but the infrastructure to which he or she is firmly welded. We have been manipulated to believe that candidates matter. It’s not the candidate. It is the machine whose policies he or she implements via increasingly frenzied legislation. The same machine greases the wheels of both parties, as we have seen.

We sheeple have swallowed the Kool Aid in total by becoming frightened of candidates who do not fit the template promoted by the back room machine. Because it is an edifice comprised of eloquent ideologues educated at the same schools (East Coast Ivies), steeped in the same background, groomed through exercises in the same gilded drawing rooms and boardrooms, it wants candidates of the same ilk. People are uncomfortable when they need to expend energy to incorporate the ‘other’. The East Coast automatons are predictable, and that is what the back room edifice wants. The acid test of having swallowed the manipulation? Be afraid of any candidate whose appearance does not carry the back room seal of approval.

I have said it before, and I will say it again. The only power left to us is to vote out the incumbents, election after election. That is the only way that the octopus arms will yield their grip on the national discourse. It will be unsustainable for the machine to hundreds of millions into EVERY election, EVERY two years, to buy the candidate of choice, only to have that investment yield an ROI of zero when the incumbent front man is voted out in the next two year cycle.

The grip of the machine depends on bought and sold front men with longevity and predictability. Business hates unpredictable circumstances. Let’s bankrupt them.

So. Regardless of who is running, I say, vote out the incumbent before he or she has the opportunity to make hay for the machine. Each year that goes by, the incumbent becomes more and more calcified in a chitin-like cocoon, much like the hapless Specialists entombed in the bowels of the Nostromo, in the Aliens film series, impotent to do anything but serve as the incubator and food source for the spawn of their captor.

 
Comment by jane
2010-11-02 20:50:25

Grizz, that just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy! - err, FURRY. There. Well, I did MY duty today. Voted against the incumbent, and voted “HE*L NO” on all ballot initiatives. This time, like every other time, they would’ve cost me money. I don’t like it when my hard earned dough gets spent by the numbers.

Self reliance is a wonderful thing. However, the more hands there are picking my pockets, the less “self” there is in that equation.

Hope I get a chance to shake yore hand sometime.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-11-02 08:33:00

i>It’s good for Carly to get in this time so she can be thrown out the next time

That’s about the most reasonable view of the present CA senatorial race.

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Comment by SD Renter
2010-11-02 06:00:20

I’d rather have the “Carly” in there who sang. One of the best album covers ever was her doing the braless hippie thing.

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-11-02 04:37:55

combo
That’s why I don’t vote. The lesser of the two evils got old. But I admire your intestinal fortitude. Today is another Political Atheist day in our home.

Comment by combotechie
2010-11-02 04:45:20

“But I admire your intestinal fortitude”.

“Intestinal fortutude” in this election means “sick to my stomach”.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-02 05:27:10

I like that term “Political Atheist”.

Last time I tried to vote, I presented my voter registration card and my passport as ID. It matched the printout at the ballot desk. And they wouldn’t give me a ballot. Seems none of those had an address on it. So even though my ID didn’t have an address on it, somehow they manage to mail me a voter registration card?

So I gave up. I even had several conversations with the Registrar of Voters, someone I knew personally. Between that and lack of choices on the ballot, what’s the point? It seems to me to waste of time and effort.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 05:38:20

So you want -less- stringent voter identification? An ID with your address on it is too much to ask? I assume they want to make sure you live in the district in which you’re voting. What’s wrong with that?

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Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-02 06:36:18

They mailed me a voter ID card. They know where I live.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 06:46:26

Have you no ID with your address on it, or do you just refuse to produce it?

How do they know you haven’t moved?

 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-02 06:56:02

I refuse to produce it. Illegals vote, why can’t I?

How does one know I didn’t move 5 min before the election, or 5 min after?

Why do I pay taxes to be mailed a useless voter registration card? I own property, I pay property taxes, shouldn’t that be enough to be allowed to vote?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 07:14:05

Don’t the illegals vote where the ID requirements are more lax? It seems to me stricter ID requirements would lessen illegal voting, while less strict requirements would encourage it.

 
Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 07:31:58

In Texas I have voted with only an expired voter registration card.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 07:36:23

I doubt that illegals vote. Period. The illegals I have come in contact with are very retiring, shy and scared. Hell, even Latino citizens in the US vote at a very low rate (15% lower than whites).

http://thenewvoters.news21.com/latino/latino-overview

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 07:59:23

doubt that illegals vote. Period. The illegals I have come in contact with are very retiring, shy and scared. Hell, even Latino citizens in the US vote at a very low rate (15% lower than whites).

Very much the case here in Tucson. The predominantly Hispanic parts of this city, the south and west sides, have had the lowest rates of voter turnout for decades.

 
Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 09:23:24

They aren’t shy when it comes to getting free medical care, food stamps, and other government handouts.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 09:32:44

I cry BS on that one, too, with the exception of pregnant women in labor showing up in the ER, which does happen. Food stamps are very difficult to get - I know, because my destitute sister has had a hard time qualifying for them. Medicaid is impossible for an illegal to get, though I’ve seen many legal immigrants from other countries like Iran and China with Medicaid (don’t get me started - it infuriates me.) I don’t know about other government handouts, so I can’t comment.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-11-02 11:23:46

Commonsense finally prevails. I get tired of reading the BS about illegals sometimes. Many of them also pay taxes because they apply to the Feds for a TIN #, which is completely different than a SSN, but they can pay taxes with it.

 
Comment by polly
2010-11-02 16:12:15

Maryland does not appear to have any id requirement when you vote. It was my first time voting at the polling place near my new apartment (I had to early vote for the primary and that was not available at this location). I gave my name, month and day of birth and address verbally. It matched a voter on the database so I was allowed to vote. However a slip of paper was printed out when I did this which I had to sign. I presume if someone else tried to vote using my name birthday and address, then they would have had to use the signature on both slips of paper to figure out which vote really belonged to me. It makes sense that the slip of paper can be associated with the actual vote because the paper is printed out at the same time as the card to activate the machine is encoded.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-11-02 18:04:55

Illegal aliens voted in the Sanchez sisters in Orange County ,Mexifornia.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-11-02 05:58:35

My town would have taken the voter registration card along with any photo id. That doesn’t seem like much to ask.

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Comment by 2banana
2010-11-02 06:23:18

Dress like a Black Panther - they will give you the run of the place…

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Comment by michael
2010-11-02 06:26:45

i call myself a “political agnostic”.

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Comment by Bronco
2010-11-02 07:52:21

that’s an independant (small i).

 
Comment by michael
2010-11-02 09:34:39

yeah but…i call myself a political agnostic…although i did vote l…yes…yes…yes…no today.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 06:31:16

What’s the point? It seems to me to waste of time and effort.

Geez, I’m looking forward to throwing a vote-tomato against evangelical-religious-IntelligentDesign-zealots/keep feeding the military-Industrial-machine whom the GOPOFC&CC (“The Grand Old Pimp of Fiscal Conservatives & Compassionate Conservatives”) affectionately call their “TrueAnger™” PeeParty tea toadlers knights-in-“TrueRogue™” / “TrueDoNothing™ / “TrueObstructionists™ / TrueGridLokers™” “they’ll-vote-with-us” pawns. :-)

First, I need to place a 25,000 coconuts bid on Wall St.’s Roulette table to see if their “TrueAnger™” “celebration” can fill my pockets with something larger than a “Nickel” for risking my capital while walking alongside that huge Caterpillar “make-things-flat” machine.

IF things go as planned, some on Wall St. will have a very happy holiday this Xmas. ;-)

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Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-02 06:37:21

I’ll spot you 1000 coconuts.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 06:53:43

Buy on the rumor, sell on the news? Isn’t a Repub victory already priced in? Or will the PTB give the bull another prod to celebrate the rebirth of their preferred enablers?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 07:09:06

Buy on the rumor, sell on the news?

Well, it worked for “Square” hamburgers & baked potaters! :-)

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-11-02 08:02:38

Last time I tried to vote, I presented my voter registration card and my passport as ID ??

Can’t you vote by mail ??

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Comment by scdave
2010-11-02 08:01:11

That’s why I don’t vote ??

Isn’t “not voting” a vote for the winner ??

Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-02 09:26:11

A good question Dave. I prefer not to legitimize a process I see as illegitimate.

I go to Las Vegas, the odds always favor the house. But it’s at least a straight game.

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Comment by LA Wallflower
2010-11-02 10:26:10

Do you show up for jury duty, or is that another of your responsibilities as a citizen that you regularly renege upon?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 11:09:59

Do you show up for jury duty

Sure do!

For one thing, the Pima County jury waiting room is something to behold. Lots of comfy seats to stretch out in. Or, if you need to, ahem, get some work done, cozy up to one of the nice, spacious tables and plug your laptop in.

Care for some computer time? Well, there are public, Internet-enabled computers, and people are very polite about sharing them with others.

Not into computers? Well, head over to the jigsaw puzzle tables and have at it.

Okay, I mentioned one thing. What’s the other? Well, it’s a chance to meet all sorts of other people from all walks of life.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-02 17:28:19

Can one renege on a contract to which they never agreed?

 
 
Comment by polly
2010-11-02 16:18:02

If we required a quorum to show up to vote to have a valid election, staying home would have some meaning. I have refrained from voting on certain corporate proxies because they do require a certain number of stockholders to vote and not voting was a more effective way of stopping something I opposed than voting against it - still didn’t work, but it was a plausible strategy. But not voting when the election would still be valid if only one person bothered to show up? Just a way to make your neighbors’ votes more important. The eventual winner has no way to know that you stayed home because you were disgusted. Most will assume that lots of people stayed home because they were lazy.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 08:09:26

Our corrupt government is truly too big to fail. I vote anyway just for the hell of it.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 09:34:45

I can understand why Meg Whitman didn’t vote. She didn’t need to because her billion dollars gives her infinitely more power than a single vote. But I can’t understand why powerless people don’t vote. It’s the only thing we have.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 05:13:50

“Moonbeam and Carly - it’s not that I WANT Moonbeam or Carly, but I want Meg and Barbara even less.”

Exactly my thinking…

if it is any consolation, the state is so broken that nobody who gets elected can’t possible break it that much further.

 
Comment by Lip
2010-11-02 05:14:34

While I can understand your concern, as a Zonie I look from afar and wonder which can help the state dig out of its fiscal pit.

I don’t think he can right the sinking ship and I wonder if maybe Meg can.

Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 06:16:33

I think that Meg can…the question is whether Meg WILL. We could ask that of any politician.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-02 07:04:24

Only people from California use the term Zonie.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 08:00:31

How well we know!

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Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2010-11-02 09:32:02

There was only one contest where I live with a Libertarian candidate. I voted for him. When I told my wife, she said that I threw my vote away. I told her that the only way I could have thrown my vote away was by wading up my ballot and tossing it in the garbage can (which I might as well have done anyway, considering that whoever wins doesn’t matter anyway - it’ll just be business as usual!)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 10:37:57

“Libertarian”

My wife was tempted to go there before she noticed that Libertarians support legalization of marijuana. That stopped her cold.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-11-02 10:52:23

It’s odd to me how many Mormons tend to be a tough sell when it comes to mj legalization, yet I don’t see them pushing to reinstate Prohibition….and they don’t even drink. I just figure if one’s OK for everybody, the other might as well be, too.

Comment by potential buyer
2010-11-02 16:19:06

Yep, OK to have alcohol legal, but not pot. Always amazed me how that judge after his 2 martini lunch could sentence someone to jail for pot.

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Comment by elvismcduf
2010-11-02 19:47:00

Exactly what I did!

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-02 04:13:14

How ironic to click on the HBB and see Senator Bennet of Colorado and his lovely family. This toady of the banksters and the Fed has saddled future generations, including his own offspring, with trillions in unpayable debts due to his support of TARP, his vote against Ron Paul’s bill to audit the Fed, and his sweetheart deals with Wall Street.

The banksters will be far more generous than most pimps in rewarding Bennet’s services rendered, following his defeat, God willing, by Ken Buck. His departure, 22 months after being appointed to replace Senator John Salazar, would finally put an end to his craven facilitation of Wall Street’s rip-off of Colorado and all productive Americans. I don’t doubt Wall Street has a cushy and well-compensated lobbyist job lined up for him already. But some fine day he is going to have to look his children and grandchildren in the eye on day and give an account for the gargantuan trans-generational swindle he and his ilk, abetted by heedless Republicrat voters, perpetrated on them and their generations.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 06:05:13

And you think Buck wouldn’t be Wall St. lap dog?

Its Tweedle-Dee vs. Tweedle-Dum

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-02 08:17:23

Maybe we should have computers run the Country . Have computers run against each other ,computers that are set up to solve problems
with programs to reject bribes . The only problem is the data people would be bribed . The lobbying system isn’t working very well if
power is determined by a small % of Fat Cat interest pulling the strings. Its amazing how this Country was changed by policies that
were so catering to destructive special interest .

Comment by Chris M
2010-11-02 08:25:58

Maybe we could let computers be in charge of the nuclear weapons too! What could go wrong? :)

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Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-02 08:57:11

The only way to win is not to play.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 10:00:23

“What could go wrong? ”

Didn’t Colossus tell Forbin that he (Forbin) would learn to love him?

 
 
Comment by LA Wallflower
2010-11-02 10:28:17

Mr. Kittridge, it’s my considered opinion that your new computer system sucks!

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Comment by Natalie
2010-11-02 08:14:27

Ken Buck has no respect for women or blacks, and says homosexuality is a choice like alcoholism. He is obsessed with Christian hatred, and isn’t even qualifed for a McDonald’s entry level job. Bennet sucks, but at least he isn’t Ken Buck.

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 09:25:51

According to AA, alcoholism is a choice and you can stop drinking.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 09:34:54

Actually, AA calls alcoholism a disease. It’s referred to that way in many places in the AA Big Book.

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Comment by MightyMike
2010-11-02 11:02:31

In the church that I grew up in “Christian hatred” would be a phrase that made no sense, an oxymoron. I think that the issue with a lot of these angry, fearful, hateful Christians may be one of education. They didn’t have the good fortune to have competent Sunday School teachers who could explain things to them.

Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 12:29:27

More likely, authoritarian “conservatives” co-opted Christianity of the last 30 years so now you have a group calling themselves Christian but couldn’t tell you the first thing about the faith; hence they don’t appear to be Christian because they aren’t.

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Comment by MightyMike
2010-11-02 13:12:33

You may have a point there. I have a neighbor who is one of those people who gets all of their news from Fox News. She refers to the president as a socialist, Muslim, n-word. She also feels a need to tell people that she is a Christian. I don’t think that she ever actually goes to church. The word Christian is some sort of way to declare her political beliefs, rather than religious beliefs.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 13:34:32

She refers to the president as a socialist, Muslim, n-word. She also feels a need to tell people that she is a Christian.

Back when I was growing up, I attended an Episcopal church that was one of the first non-Catholic churches in that town to integrate.

This was back in the 1960s when the Episcopal Diocese of Philadelphia decided that it would no longer fund segregated parishes. So the black parish in that town merged with a larger white congregation.

That didn’t sit well with some of the whites. They formed a separate parish in out the horsey country. That would be about 10 miles away from the existing big church. And the idea was that none of *those* people would ever attend.

Both parishes still exist. One’s still integrated. And the other one’s pretty white.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 15:01:04

“You may have a point there. I have a neighbor who is one of those people who gets all of their news from Fox News. She refers to the president as a socialist, Muslim, n-word. She also feels a need to tell people that she is a Christian. I don’t think that she ever actually goes to church. The word Christian is some sort of way to declare her political beliefs, rather than religious beliefs.”

BINGO. She is the typical typical, white conservative of the 21st century. Do as I say, not as I do.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 04:36:03

Realtors are untrustworthy and dishonest

“California Realtor Charged With Scamming Elderly Homeowners, Lenders”

http://tinyurl.com/25k2udt

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-02 05:39:57

What’s the harm in a little grass roots fractional reserve banking? Their mistake was in trying it without membership in the club.

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 05:45:12

Ed Zackery!

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 08:18:32

Realtors make crack-whores look good.

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Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 09:56:43

I thought they were one and the same?

Oh my word.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 11:12:32

I thought they were one and the same?

More than a little irony for an election day, realty-whore trashing, or whatever: Right now, our favorite community radio station is playing the Who’s “Won’t Get Fooled Again.”

You know the song: “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss…”

Even more amazing is that the deejay is one of the sweetest, soft-spoken people you’d ever want to meet. But get her up in the KXCI broadcast studio, and she rocks the house down.

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 06:07:03

As much as I dislike realtors in general, the truth is that they were merely pawns in the housing bubble. The people who truly benefitted from the bubble were the banksters with their heads I win, tails you lose game.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 06:32:06

“…heads I win, tails you lose…”

Comeuppance is coming their way. The big question at this point is whether all this too-big-to-fail jawboning will translate into meaningful action.

BOE’s Tucker Says Governments Need Plan for Failing Banks

November 01, 2010, 12:49 PM EDT
By Jennifer Ryan

Nov. 1 (Bloomberg) — Bank of England Deputy Governor Paul Tucker said regulators around the world must ensure they create a plan to deal with banks deemed too big to fail.

It is intolerable for our societies, it is intolerable for capitalism, that we should continue to have institutions that are too big to fail,” he said in remarks in Washington on Oct. 11 released by the central bank today. “Too many countries do not even have the most elementary resolution regime for their national commercial banking institutions.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 07:28:44

Prediction: Wall Street will defend TBTF by saying it’s a sign of American strength and free market enterprise. Attempts originating from abroad to end TBTF will be branded ‘ one-world socialism’. The Tea Party will promptly rally in Wall Street’s defense.

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Comment by measton
2010-11-02 07:40:28

The Tea Party will promptly rally in Wall Street’s defense.

With the slogan “let the free market live” on one side of their sign and “keep the gov hands off my Medicare and Social Security” on the other.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 07:58:43

“let the free market live campaign contributions flow

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 08:53:57

With the slogan “let the free market live” on one side of their sign and “keep the gov hands off my Medicare and Social Security” on the other.

And more edited Tea Party Slogans:

This Is How Patriots Act Owned

When You Elect ClownsTeaPartiers, Expect A Circus!

Apathy Kills Liberty I Guess

Congress: Pack Your Bags - You’re Going Home To K Street

How About a 90% Tax on Congressional CEO Salaries?

Save the American Dream Scheme!

Honk If You’re Paying My (Grandma’s) Health Care

Put the GrownupsNutJobs Back in Charge!

I Was Tired of Yelling At My TV … So I Came Here Because It Argued Back

My Mom Taught Me Not to Steal - Do You Need a Lesson“Date”?

Going Green Costs U.S. BP Green

Liberty Is Not (Usually) Negotiable

HONK(EYS) for Capitalism

I Don’t Want to Wait 4 Years for a Cancer Test.- DO YOU? So I Moved to Canada…

We Know What’s Going On (On American Idol)

I’m TEA’d Off and Boiling Mad!Turnips for Dinner

Angry As Hell! Scared to Death! Dumb as Dirt!

Armed and Dangerous … With My Vote! Hemorrhoids And No Health Insurance

I’m TEA-ed Off About (Rich People’s) Taxes!

Do Not Underestimate Our ResolveLunacy

Buy Your Own Medicine (Grandma), I’m Not Your Candy Man!

 
Comment by michael
2010-11-02 09:42:38

mmmmm…turnips.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 10:17:37

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Nice Rio. Those are Louis Black type edits. Well done.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-02 13:36:34

LOL……tickled my funny bone RIO .

 
 
 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 07:02:52

So much of this went on during the bubble. I had one patient’s elderly mother who was scammed and lost the house she had owned outright. A loan guy befriended her, got her confidence, and convinced her to take a loan against her house. She got about $2000 and he absconded with the rest. She lost the house. Now she and he blind, disabled son live in section 8 apartment housing. Her health is shot and he will be left alone when she dies. And she never saw the loan guy again. I hope they prosecute every one of these bastards.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-02 07:27:40

There are not enough prisons to handle all of them.

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 07:35:39

I remember a movie about Manhattan island being turned into a prison.

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Comment by scdave
2010-11-02 08:11:47

There are not enough prisons to handle all of them ??

Then lets treat them as if they were in China…

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Comment by Rancher
2010-11-02 07:30:36

Some people need killing.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 07:55:23

I’d like to thank everybody who posted positive support the other day when I was whining about losing my business. Life will surely go on and I am going to given ‘em hell at the polls today. Necessity is the mother of invention and its time for a change in my life anyway. If you can’t laugh at life, there is really no point being here. Thank you again, HBB friends.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 09:38:02

I’m sorry, pressboard. I was offline for a few days. I wish you the very best in starting over. I’m sure you can do it because you have a lot of brains. You have given me so many belly laughs over the last number of years.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 09:50:07

Hey, press! You can and will start over. And I’m looking forward to hearing about the success of your next venture.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-11-02 11:41:54

I’m sorry to be hearing about this but I feel confident from your posts you’ll regroup and come back stronger and wiser.

 
Comment by ahansen
2010-11-02 20:46:40

Press,

You’ve certainly given me support when I needed it, I just KNOW all that good karma will come back for you in some form.

For whatever small comfort it may offer, please know that this next chapter of your life holds an opportunity waiting for you to discover. If you can stay open to the possibility, it will find you.

I’m keeping you in my thoughts as you deal with this challenge. Hang in there, okay?

pax,
a

 
Comment by jane
2010-11-02 21:17:47

Press, I am REALLY sorry to hear that. I don’t know why I didn’t see it. I pray you do not take it as a reflection on your good sense.

We are all caught up in this structural dislocation that has very little to do with us. (Unless we personally committed fraud on our balance sheets).

That doesn’t help, nor do the good vibes I’m trying to send. We are all eff’d in this gore. I am sorry that you got it bad.

 
 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-11-02 05:09:59

When I moved to So Ca in 1962 (I was Pre-K) it was a great place to grow up. A UC was affordable at one time, and this state matched its legend.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 05:17:57

“…this state matched its legend.”

At least the legend is still fresh in mind…

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 06:08:30

I lived in SoCal during the same timeframe. Orange county was uncrowded, good paying jobs were plentiful and housing was affordable.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 06:36:20

“…housing was affordable.”

California housing would soon be once again affordable if government intervention to artificially prop up its value were ended. But strangely enough, the same folks who brought us ‘affordable housing policy’ are currently involved in a stealthy effort to keep it unaffordably priced.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 07:04:54

Oh please. I have a good friend whose Jewish family was refused a table at Knottsberry Farm in the 60s. Orange County sucked back then, unless you like the Stepford Wives.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 07:54:56

It wasn’t perfect, but I’l take it over today’s expensive, congested, crime ridden, barrio known as Orange County. Sure, if you’re rich you can live in Mission Viejo or Laguna Niguel, but Orange County looks more like Santa Ana or Garden Grove than Newport Beach.

FWIW, my mom’s Mexican and I don’t recall that we were ever refused a table anywhere. Not saying there wasn’t racism, but that was par for the course in all the US in the 60’s, and I’ll bet it was a lot better in SoCal than in Alabama at the time.

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Comment by scdave
2010-11-02 08:18:47

lot better in SoCal than in Alabama at the time ??

Well, I need to step a decade forward to 1971 but the “open racism” that I witnessed in the 8 or so southern states that I traveled and lived in was shocking to this 19 year old who grew up in Santa Clara Valley…

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 10:04:50

That’s what I meant, sorry if I wasn’t clear. Yes, there was racism in SoCal in the 60’s, but it was nothing compared to the South.

 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-02 06:11:29

CA in the 1960s

Low taxes
Balanced budgets
No public unions
Illegals thrown out very quickly
Welfare/food stamps/etc were tiny and you did not want to be on them
Public funds went to capital improvements of the state (water, sewers, highways, power plants, etc.) and NOT to union pensions and illegal aid.

Anything else did I miss?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 06:21:42

No prop 13

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 06:51:03

CA in the 1960s + Anything else did I miss?

Women were liberated so as to raise all x5 children & have dinner waiting.

30 year corporate job tenure.

Bell dial phones & Station Wagons! ;-)

Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 07:04:51

And the 5 kids get molested at the obligatory weekly confessional booth….. and the molester continues to molest.

Why do conservatives pine for more of this?

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 07:57:17

So you’re sating that everyone was Catholic, and that all Catholic kids were molested?

IIRC, NONE of my friends were Catholic.

 
Comment by michael
2010-11-02 09:45:25

alot of my friends are catholic…not one molested.

i love liberals….not all muslims are terrorist but all catholic priests are molestors.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 11:45:33

alot of my friends are catholic… many of them were abused.

i love conservatives….there are no catholic priest molestors but all muslims are terrorists.

Now…..How do you enjoy getting smacked down with your own ill conceived strawmen? ;)

 
Comment by michael
2010-11-02 12:10:58

i actually agree with your statement (and mine) imagine that…rationality.

some muslims are terrorist and some priests molest children.

you seldom “smack” anyone down with your tired political rhetoric…but i still like your economic commentary…mostly.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 12:42:11

The fact that you deny so is evidence of it’s effectiveness. And you’re conflating my war on rightwing hypocrisy with your strawman.

 
Comment by michael
2010-11-02 12:55:44

“The fact that you deny so is evidence of it’s effectiveness.”

you win.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-11-02 07:20:07

Hey don’t put down station wagons…especially if you had a bed curtains and a stereo in it……..who hoo

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Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 07:39:06

aNYCdj,

To hell with station wagons….. I always wanted to pull into the job site with a black 1970’s hearse.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-11-02 08:31:57

cool….i had friends with one…andddddddd:

Ooooh that smell
Can’t you smell that smell
Ooooh that smell
The smell of death surrounds you

 
Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 08:57:38

Rest in peace Ronnie.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 08:01:35

“Women were liberated so as to raise all x5 children & have dinner waiting.”

Those were the days, my friend
We thought they’d never end
We’d sing and dance, forever and a day.
We lived the life we choosed
We’d fight and never lose
Those were the days, oh yes they were the days.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-02 08:54:03

Every period isn’t perfect .I think it was shameful how Blacks
were treated like second class Citizens when they had enough problems trying to overcome the history of being slaves .

Now the power groups are screwing a huge portion of
the middle class and even the higher income middle class .
The potential of America was hijacked by the Money Men and
Corporate profit greed and monopolies . You can almost picture the American ship coming closer and closer to the iceberg ,or maybe we have already hit it and the water is coming in now .

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-11-02 11:53:22

“Women were liberated so as to raise all x5 children & have dinner waiting.”

My gosh, another evening when my DH will get the positive windfall of not being like other American males who enjoy subservient women. He’s really starting to love the HBB and is thankful for the recurring theme that always reminds me just how lucky I am.

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2010-11-02 08:28:19

“Women were liberated so as to raise all x5 children & have dinner waiting.”

You’ve got the decade confused with the 60s. My mother was having none of it, was divorced and out partying again by 1960. Most in my family were divorced and families breaking up all over the place. The whole system was falling apart by then, even if the counterculture hadn’t yet come along to celebrate it yet.

Now, move far enough out into flyover and you automatically go back 20 years in time. So when I came here it was still 1958.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 10:03:22

You’ve got the decade confused with the 60s.
The whole system was falling apart by then

Doesn’t look like this image supported, “single free mothers”

West Coast Suburbia, post WW II:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6zo0yFYhz1qzll1y.jpg

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2010-11-02 11:10:46

What’s interesting is the station wagon has been replaced by the minivan. so families gave gotten smaller and yet parents think that they need a larger vehicle.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 11:14:09

And to think that my mom hauled me and my buddies around in an Opel Kadette station wagon. Man, that thing was tiny.

We used to like to ask Mom to beep the horn because it sounded so funny. Never failed to get a laugh out of us backseat drivers.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 11:34:05

We used to like to ask Mom to beep the horn because it sounded so funny.

LOL. I know that funny horn. My dad had a baby blue Opal once.

 
Comment by michael
2010-11-02 12:16:33

the main reason you need a bigger car now is for car seats. my little brother stood up in the middle of the front seat of my moms care when he was two.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 14:09:13

If you were to buy a second generation Saturn VUE you are actually getting a rebadged Opel Antara. The Saturn Astra was also a rebadged Opel (the Opel Astra).

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-11-02 08:42:14

Anything else did I miss?

Two-term Governor Ronald Reagan. There may be a correllation between him and the other factors on your list.

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 09:29:22

When was Jerry Brown Sr. Gov?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 09:36:17

That was Edmund “Pat” Brown. He was CA’s governor during 1959-1967.

 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-11-02 09:45:50

Anything else did I miss?

America was fantastic in the ’50’s and ’60’s.

As long as you were white and male.

Comment by michael
2010-11-02 12:21:35

the production based economy was nice though.

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Comment by Elanor
2010-11-02 10:50:35

Polluted air
Polluted water
Segregation
Father (Always) Knows Best

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-11-02 11:01:10

Anything else did I miss?

The top marginal tax rate was 71-91%

 
Comment by MightyMike
2010-11-02 11:18:17

CA in the 1960s

Low taxes
Balanced budgets
No public unions

Are you sure about the unions? I would try to look that up or ask somebody about that. It’s hard to imaging that teachers, polce officers, etc. in California only formed unions after 1970.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-11-02 16:34:57

Why do you think illegals were thrown out quickly? Back then, no-one really cared about illegals one way or the other that I could determine.

 
Comment by ahansen
2010-11-02 20:58:21

If indeed you lived here, you were just as ignorant then as you appear to be now.

I’m not even going to bother to refute this nonsense. Wikipedia is just a click away.
Start with “Bracero Program.” Then try “LAPD Pension Fund.”

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 05:20:06

Attorneys ask courts to toss out foreclosure cases
Motions focus on ‘robo-signers’ with GMAC, Wells Fargo
November 01, 2010|By Jamie Smith Hopkins, The Baltimore Sun

Attorneys for Maryland homeowners are asking the courts to dismiss hundreds of foreclosure cases that depended on paperwork submitted by so-called robo-signers on behalf of mortgage servicers.

Civil Justice, a Baltimore nonprofit that specializes in foreclosure issues, made the request in motions filed last week in two cases. One motion asks that all Maryland foreclosure cases with documents signed by Jeffrey Stephan of GMAC Mortgage — including the Baltimore case in question — be tossed out. The other asks for the same treatment of all Maryland cases with documents signed by Xee Moua of Wells Fargo.

Both Stephan and Moua acknowledged in depositions that they signed hundreds of affidavits a day — attesting to information being used to foreclose on U.S. homeowners — without the legally required “personal knowledge” of that information. Quickly dubbed “robo-signing,” the practice has prompted investigations by regulators and foreclosure freezes by mortgage servicers.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-02 07:29:56

I guess they are trying to buy more time? They didnt pay thier bills they dont deserve the house.

Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 08:21:53

But here’s my question. If a foreclosure is signed by a robosigner and that particular FC is deemed not to follow the “personal knowledge” regulation, what happens?

1. Is the “dismissed” FC thrown out forever? — If that’s the case, no wonder the banks declared a moratorium.

2. Or can the bank show up in court with the title/note, bounced mortgage checks, and lots of new personal knowledge about the case, and simply finalize the FC right there in court? — If that’s the case, Civic Justice is “delaying” more than “dismissing.” (buying time, as dude said.) Then the banks should force a few FB’s through the court just to scare the rest of them. The FB’s know full well that they are deadeats.

Comment by In Montana
2010-11-02 08:33:04

Just guessing, but probably the case is dismissed without prejudice, so the lenders can bring it again with the right paperwork.

It all depends on how much stamina and money the defendant has to fight these things. With so many other stresses going on in their lives, I’d think most of them would lack the energy to carry on the fight for long. In fact, my hunch is that the great majority of underwater FB’s just move on and the house is empty when foreclosed. If no one shows up to contest the case, the court would have to take it upon itself to dismiss the case over paperwork and I’m not sure how often that really happens.

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Comment by DennisN
2010-11-02 08:52:51

I’m not really clear about the mechanics of a non-judical foreclosure. Is it before an administrative law judge? Some of those guys may be sticklers for correct paperwork since that’s all they have to go by.

For the non-lawyers (e.g. decent people) cases can be dismissed with prejudice (can’t refile) or without prejudice (can refile with corrections/amendments). I’d like to see a few more cases dismissed “with extreme prejudice”. :lol:

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 09:02:19

In fact, my hunch is that the great majority of underwater FB’s just move on and the house is empty when foreclosed.

That’s been the case around my nabe.

 
 
Comment by SFC
2010-11-02 08:42:04

If the banks get caught lying, the CEO is immediately shipped off to prison, no chance of parole. Wait, that’s what should happen.

No, there is no double jeopardy. The banks can keep trying. It gets very expensive though, and I doubt the FB’s are going to spend much in maintenance.

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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-11-02 10:10:20

They didnt pay thier bills they dont deserve the house.

If the bank can’t follow the rules, how does the bank deserve the house? Possession is 9/10 of the law.

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-11-02 05:23:08

OK…..Cheerful though for the day——————-

What do you get when you play a country western song backwards?

The guy gets his jobs back, his girlfriend back, his dog back, and his truck back!

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 07:57:38

If we played the national anthem backward, would we get our government back?

Comment by The_Overdog
2010-11-02 09:12:47

No, but our flag would still be there, albiet perhaps less holey.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 08:47:49

The only bad part is that he ends up sober!

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-11-02 11:01:34

…when you play a country western song backwards

The guy gets his jobs back, his girlfriend back, his dog back, and his truck back!

On Brokeback Mountain, he gets his virginity back.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 12:16:38

Too funny, DJ!

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-11-02 16:36:49

Listening to Rascal Flatts I see?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 05:23:32

Debt Collectors Face a Hazard: Writer’s Cramp
By DAVID SEGAL
Published: October 31, 2010

When Michael Gazzarato took a job that required him to sign hundreds of affidavits in a single day, he had one demand for his employer: a much better pen.

They tried to get me to do it with a Bic, and I wasn’t going — I wasn’t having it,” he said. “It was bad when I had to use the plastic Papermate-type pen. It was a nightmare.

The complaint could have come from any of the autograph marathoners in the recent mortgage foreclosure mess. But Mr. Gazzarato was speaking at a deposition in a 2007 lawsuit against Asset Acceptance, a company that buys consumer debts and then tries to collect.

His job was to sign affidavits, swearing that he had personally reviewed and verified the records of debtors — a time-consuming task when done correctly.

Sound familiar?

Banks have been under siege in recent weeks for widespread corner-cutting in the rush to process delinquent mortgages. The accusations have stirred outrage and set off investigations by attorneys general across the country, prompting several leading banks to temporarily cease foreclosures.

But lawyers who defend consumers in debt-collection cases say the banks did not invent the headless, assembly-line approach to financial paperwork. Debt buyers, they say, have been doing it for years.

The difference is that in the case of debt buyers, the abuses are much worse,” says Richard Rubin, a consumer lawyer in Santa Fe, N.M.

At least when it comes to mortgages, the banks have the right address, everyone agrees about the interest rate. But with debt buyers, the debt has been passed through so many hands, often over so many years, that a lot of time, these companies are pursuing the wrong person, or the charges have no lawful basis.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 05:26:04

Please don’t call me a robo-poster, just because I am fond of this story. ;-)

Lenders on autopilot
Using robo-signers to process thousands of foreclosures opens banks up to legal risks

By Jenifer B. McKim
Globe Staff / November 2, 2010

Renee Hertzler is a high school graduate with an impressive title: Bank of America Corp. vice president. She’s also one of the country’s most notorious so-called “robo-signers’’: employees hired by lenders to sign off on the stacks of foreclosure paperwork that grew along with the nation’s housing crisis.

In a sworn deposition in Boston earlier this year, Hertzler made a startling admission: She rarely read the crucial documents, as many as 8,000 a month.

Most of the time, I sign them in batch,’’ she said during a deposition taken in February that was part of a lawsuit filed by a Gardner woman trying to save her home from foreclosure.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 13:09:02

Don’t robo-close me, man!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 05:30:20

Just finished my first “Pergo” type laminate floor, bamboo 210 sq.ft. bed room, never done one before, I have layed tons on tile, brick pavers, stone etc… So I thought this “floating” floor would be easy, took me a while to get the hang of it, not easy to get cuts and corners into place, but all in all not so bad. I had to close the door several times to keep my foul language from drifting down the hall for my wife(who is used to it) to hear. One more bedroom left, same type flooring. Then on to a 30 foot hallway that will be in something I understand, broken slate.

My knees and back are loving this project, thank god for beer, wine and rum!

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 07:40:33

wmbz, you will be rewarded with pride every time you look around you. Plus you’re saving a lot of money by doing it yourself. Enjoy.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-11-02 08:25:28

Sounds great wmbz…Nothing better than improving your own home yourself…

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 08:31:16

How did the kitchen come out? Mrs. bz must be very happy with you.

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 09:37:03

Thanks for asking Jeff…

The kitchen floor is done went with a 13″x13″ slate type tile, cabinets have been stripped and are now painted, sort of a tan/sand color. All that’s left is the counter tops, and we have not picked a material yet. Got a new refrigerator, stack washer & dyer, and the new drop-in stove comes next week. Trying to get ready for Thanksgiving. My wife is doing most of the painting, and she does like how it’s coming along, only problem she has with me is, I change my mind as we go along.

Oh and this house has a lot of hard wood paneling, which I have been ‘pickling” to make it look more like drift wood. Place was to dark for my taste. We are getting there, hope to be much father along in the next few weeks. I have really been enjoying the work. My knees have not!

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 09:51:31

I have an old house. A wall each in the living room and family room have paneling painted white, and you can’t even tell. The dining room has wainscotted paneling painted white,and again, you don’t notice. A lot cheaper than removing the paneling, and very bright and light.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 10:17:47

I have really been enjoying the work. My knees have not!

Buy some construction worker knee pads. They are fantastic.

http://www.contractortalk.com/f40/best-kneepads-6226/

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Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 08:56:49

The best part is: When you get it done, you can put on tightie-whities and socks and do “Tom Cruise slides” on the new floor to impress your wife.

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 09:39:04

I think my “cool” slide days are over, but who knows I may give it a try!

Our cats are freaking out, they can’t get any traction on these slick floors, fun to watch though.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 05:31:54

Volcker Says Quantitative Easing May Create Inflation in Future

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, an adviser to President Barack Obama, said quantitative easing may spark inflation in the future and the amount involved may be a cause for concern.

“When money is too easy for too long, we will have more” asset bubbles, Volcker, 83, said in Singapore today.

He was commenting as Fed policy makers prepare to meet today and tomorrow in Washington amid concern that economic growth is not strong enough to reduce a U.S. unemployment rate close to 10 percent. The Fed may announce a plan to purchase at least $500 billion of long-term securities in a move known as quantitative easing, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg News.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-02 05:35:20

Quantitative easing sparking inflation? The Weimar Republic proves otherwise.

Oh, wait….

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-02 05:51:54

UPS is hiking their rates 5% right after the holidays. Another sign that the squeeze is definitely on the consumer. While the debate can continue as to whether the supply of money will grow, it is already certain that the competition for what money is out there is raging like never before.

Comment by SD Renter
2010-11-02 05:57:43

My local paper, the San Diego Union Tribune, tried to hike my rates over 100% for my 4 day special subscription.

I called to cancel and after about 15 minutes, I eventually got it back down to about a 10% hike. Newspapers cannot afford to lose more subscribers.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 09:28:00

I signed up for the LA Times: 1 year / x4 Sunday’s per month = $9.88

(I figured that I’d reward them for the City of Bell investigative article series, they did a really “old fashioned” job in getting it out there before the taxpayers eyes! The post-read paper has “other” “potential uses” too! ;-)

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 06:10:08

The money will all end up in the banksters’ mattresses.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-02 06:14:33

It is not a sustainable game, the banks printing money to keep interest rates low so that the zombie banks can continue to concentrate the wealth of the nation to themselves. What ever were we thinking when we permitted the banks to print their own money?

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 08:03:55

I wasn’t born yet when they were awarded the franchise.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 13:13:47

What do you mean “We?” :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-11-02 06:23:30

“UPS is hiking their rates 5% right after the holidays. Another sign that the squeeze is definitely on the consumer.”

Yes, the squeeze is on, but this is a really bad move on the part of UPS. The strategy here, of course, is to have individual shippers subsidize the discounts given to bulk shippers. It won’t work. Individuals will just ship less, they’ll do without if they have to.

Ebay has tried a similar experiment with their rates and it has backfired big time. To remedy this, they’ve gone into frantic overdrive promoting all sorts of holiday season “specials”, new rules, etc. It’s very amusing, because they could remedy the situation by simply going back to what worked in the past, but they’ve gone too far. So now that they’ve created the “problem”, which could be easily solved by eliminating all the changes, instead they’ve come up with all sorts of complexities to handle the situations created by the earlier changes and rate hikes.

That’s always the solution to diminished business. Drive customers away with rate hikes, charge the remaining customers more. As more customers drop out, charge the remaining customers more. Downward spiral. Genius.

Comment by combotechie
2010-11-02 06:29:50

+ 1.

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Comment by 2banana
2010-11-02 06:46:41

That’s always the solution to diminished business. Drive customers away with rate hikes, charge the remaining customers more. As more customers drop out, charge the remaining customers more. Downward spiral. Genius.

Sounds like Philadelphia… :-)

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Comment by scdave
2010-11-02 08:32:28

You in Philly 2banana ??

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-02 08:47:22

You got a problem with that?!

Hey, hold my cheese steak while I type.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 09:03:45

You got a problem with that?!

Yeah, I do!

I may be in AZ now, but I’m a Keystoner for life. Born in Pittsburgh. Raised outside of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.

And my parents still live in PA.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 09:54:33

AZ, you and I have led parallel lives! My dad was raised in Johnstown - his father was a coal miner. We used to visit Pittsburgh to visit relatives twice a year when I was a kid. Absolutely filthy town back then. Beautiful city now - I visited U Pitt a year ago and had a nice time.

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 08:07:02

Funny you should mention UPS, edge. A few months ago, I sent something via Fedex overnight, and the cost was something like 30 bucks. Yeesh! Wasn’t too long ago that I paid around $20 for the same service.

Comment by potential buyer
2010-11-02 16:52:26

USPS is way cheaper than both Fed Ex and UPS.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 16:56:07

That’s what I discovered after recently using Fedex. (Won’t make that mistake again!) USPS Express Mail to the same location was under 20 bucks.

 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-11-02 08:29:20

the squeeze is definitely on the consumer ??

The “squeeze” has just started…I predict, we will see some “shocking” recommendations coming out of the debt commission on December 1st… Recommendations that will probably be enacted…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 06:33:33

“…may spark inflation in the future…”

I thought the Fed wanted to spark inflation in the future?

Comment by combotechie
2010-11-02 06:40:35

Yeah, spark some inflation, that’s a great solution to an economy that has a shortage of money in circulation.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-02 07:42:26

Yup. Someone needs to tell them that inflation is not the pathway to riches, because reading some of the articles out there nowadays, it seems more and more think that (probably in the context of the price of their underwater house).

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Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 07:41:17

India & Australia are raising interest rates to combat inflation…sounds like the currency wars have begin.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-11-02 08:34:49

YUP and Millions upon Millions will default on their credit cards …because banks refuse to issue them at fixed rates anymore.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 10:19:41

And because they lack the income to pay them. An unfortunate side effect (for the Banksters) of the declining wages they so love.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 13:17:02

At some point, the rising vector of wages had to cross the falling vector of wages. Bad news in a 75% consumer driven economy.

I think we are there.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 18:23:10

DOH!

“The rising vector of PRICES had to cross the falling vector of wages.”

must. increase. coffee. :lol:

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 05:32:33

This problem is very easily solved: Pass a law requiring prison time for any bank manager who is responsible for the wrongful eviction of a homeowner due to negligent document processing.

Why foreclosure robo-signers should be everyone’s concern
By JULIET M. MORINGIELLO • October 31, 2010

Why should we care that an employee of GMAC Mortgage admitted to signing 400 foreclosure affidavits a day without reading the loan files to verify that the information in the affidavits was correct?

The harms of automation are many. In recent weeks, the securitization system has come under attack because in the financial world’s zeal to make mortgage debt easily transferable, responsible parties failed to accurately track the paths that mortgage paper often takes. Even when the correct person is foreclosing on the mortgage, the documents are often rife with mistakes.

Subprime mortgage loans carry high fees. Lots of high fees. High fees generated by automated systems with no human intervention. A bankruptcy case filed in Louisiana several years ago illustrates some of the harms of automation. Before filing for bankruptcy, the homeowner had missed one mortgage payment and, for the next several months, paid an extra $100 with each paymentr to make up her missed payment. Because the servicer’s automated system considered each subsequent payment to be late, it ordered numerous inspections of the property, each of which resulted in fees being added to her debt. When a human being finally looked at the records in the bankruptcy case, it became clear that two different houses were inspected. Even more shockingly, one of the inspections was reportedly conducted on a date on which the inspection would have been impossible — the area in which the house was located was under an evacuation order because of Hurricane Katrina. This is not an isolated incident — when a homeowner makes a late payment or an insufficient payment, these systems often fail to apply the payment to the debt owed, diverting the payments to “suspense accounts.” As a result, every subsequent payment is registered as a late payment, resulting in additional late fees, interest charges, inspection fees and fees for other default-related services.

Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 08:30:02

I learn more and more every day. So people are blindly paying their mortgage without knowing that their check isn’t going to the mortgage?

Can you request a mortgage statement the way you get a bank statement or a credti card statement? Or at least follow their progress online? I remember doing that with Sallie Mae when I paid off my college loan in full. I went to the website to find the exact amount.

Comment by redrum
2010-11-02 08:52:37

In my experience, sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on the servicer. My last mortgage was with BofA, and I could log into the site, and check the status of the loan. I haven’t figured out if/how it’s possible with my current loan… In my opinion, it ought to be a law that the borrower get at least a quarterly statment showing dates of payments received and exactly how they were applied (principal, interest, escrow, extra principal pay-down, etc.)

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 09:56:37

I still have a mortgage on my primary house, and demanded and get a printed statement every month. It shows the balance and records each month’s payment. Being paranoid, I go to the bank in person and get a receipt every month from the teller. That’s the only bill I pay in person.

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Comment by The_Overdog
2010-11-02 09:19:47

I’ve had loans with Countrywide, BOA, and Citi, and they all have/had a great monthly statement, with payment, interest, escrow, etc all broken out and with previous payment info— so it’s very clear what you are paying and where it is going to.

 
 
Comment by Go East
2010-11-02 10:24:28

This is true: I worked in the “complaint” department of a major subprime lender.

Comment by Go East
2010-11-02 10:26:13

Oops, should have appeared under PB’s suspense account article.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 13:21:19

I’ve often wondered just where do they think that extra money is going to come from? The customer isn’t having trouble paying the bill because they have too much money. :roll:

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-02 05:34:13

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/24/america-s-worst-politician.html

Alan Grayson and Ron Paul have been virtually the sole champions of the public interest against the Fed’s disastrous policies and the swindles perpetrated by the TBTF banks on taxpayers. Not surprisingly, the corporate-owned MSM has served as their bankster masters’ doberman’s in going after Grayson, who is probably going to be unseated by the clueless voters of Orlando.

Comment by measton
2010-11-02 07:38:41

Russ Feingold falls into that camp

Voted no on
TARP1
TARP2
NAFTA
Congressional pay raise

Voted yes on
FED audit
Campaign finance reform
Tried to get a bill that would just force donors to be identified (shot down by Reid and company until after the election ie when they can blame gop for not passing it)
Voted with 40 GOP to put put curbs on Treasury assistance to GSE’s
Voted w 41 GOP for McCain-Shelby-Gregg amendment, which would have set an expiration date for the Fannie/Freddie conservatorship and launched a transitional process leading to the termination of the GSEs’

There has been an avalanch of corporate money bashing Russ These 3 are the only independent voices in Congress that I can see. Russ looks like he may be replaced by another multimillionair in favor of outsourcing NAFTA and the destruction of the middle class.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-11-02 09:38:06

Russ Feingold is one of the very few good ones, IMHO. I am proud that I voted for him in his very first senate run, back when I was living in Madison. He definitely ran on outsider/normal-joe credentials back then, and I am quite impressed that he has managed to avoid being perverted by the system for this long.

I’m rooting for him…

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 05:34:32

From today’s Energy Daily (I get it through work so I don’t want to link, sorry):

———-
“AWEA Chief Executive Officer Denise Bode [ie lobbyist] said in a statement that the industry’s weak performance in the third quarter of this year reflects investment uncertainty in U.S. wind development, for which she squarely blamed U.S. energy policy shortcomings more so than the shaky global economic environment.

U.S. wind turbine and component manufacturing plants has been “aided by a degree of stability” in the federal production tax credit for renewables, the availability of a refundable federal tax credit under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA), and state requirements for renewable energy.

However, without the continuation of those incentives and adoption of a federal benchmark of 15 percent renewable power in the nation’s electricity mix by 2020—policies AWEA has implored Congress to support—U.S. wind development could “stall out,” Bode said.”
———–

In other words, those “free-market” geniuses don’t want to do anything without government cheese. And I bet they vote Libertarian too. :roll:

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-02 06:01:54

“without government cheese”

Rightly so, is it not? What private business would invest $2 to earn $1? Only government cheese can make an uneconomical business model smell all cheesey like, and waste the resources it is supposedly designed to protect.

Take the synthetic water program for example. Water can be extracted from corn, although it is difficult and too expensive without government cheese. It takes 100 gallons of water to grow enough corn to yield 1 gallon of extracted synthetic water. Yet this must be done to preserve our dwindling water supplies. It must be a national priority and supported with waterdrinkers funds, because it won’t happen without government cheese. Laws against drinking natural water will also be required to provide a market for the synthetic water.

We are a brilliant society of lemmings. Large industries are built just on this fallibility.

Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 06:37:40

I can’t say I disagree with you. Of course wind power is an uneconomical business model. But aren’t most new inventions uneconomical?

HBB had a discussion on this topic last week* — that private industry is more efficient and better than government. Well sure it is — AFTER government puts in the money and grunt work to absorb all the initial failures, to optimize the final machine, to incentivize the supporting infrastructure, and to pay for environmental clean-up. Government knows full well that we’ll need decades to build better wind and infrastructure. And when we run out of natural gas and coal and oil become too expensive** wind power may be the ONLY business model left. Best to make it economical now, so that it’s ready when we need it — instead of waiting until 2 days before the oil runs out, which is the CEO business model.

I’m not against government supporting wind power. I’m not quite against private industry using incentives. What I *am* against is private industry taking the incentives one day, but then whining about government and high taxes, giving contributions to anti-government causes, and threatening to shut down the next day because they don’t get “their” money. It’s the hypocrisy.

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*The other day, I spoke to a friend about this, especially about the Wright Brothers example we discussed. He said that the early aircraft industry would never have gotten off the ground (pun intended) without cash infusions from the US Post Office. The early planes were mail planes. And don’t forget the military. Early planes few in WW1, and there was huge progress in aircraft during WW2.
** Let’s leave global warming aside for the moment. Fossil is becoming expensive because they are difficult to extract (lots of water and/or war) or to clean up during combustion (NOx SOx Hg H2S).

Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 06:41:22

“Early planes few in WW1″

(Oops.)

Well it’s true, they few.
But they also flew.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 08:12:01

Point of history: Theodore Roosevelt’s son, Quentin, was a pilot in WWI. The Germans shot him down over France.

This sent TR into a downward, grief-driven spiral from which he never recovered. TR died in 1919.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 11:39:12

“Theodore Roosevelt’s son, Quentin, was a pilot in WWI. The Germans shot him down over France.”

Today’s elites know better than to serve in the military. Being cannon fodder today is a job for the “little people”

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 12:03:42

Today’s elites know better than to serve in the military.

Alas, there’s a lot of truth to the above statement.

However, let the record show that one of John McCain’s sons enlisted in the Marines. And served in Iraq. Another son is a recent graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-02 07:32:39

OK, we are looking at different parts of the elephant and get a different view of the whole.

For some of these enterprises, the whole object is to capture government spending. When that becomes clear, they should be take out back and shot.

Yes war brings great necessity and with it accelerated invention. Not my favorite path. There are other models, such as Zerox wouldn’t have made it (so big and so fast) without a contract from AT&T, which I know about from listening to my dad at the dinner table long ago.

I am not convinced that we are dealing with invention in wind, solar or ethanol, just reapplication of the same stuff we played with in the 70s this time on a massive scale. It all still takes more “energy” to put in place than it delivers which makes it a fool’s errand. Only makes sense if you are the first to store cheap energy this way before your neighbors get a chance to and then we run out. Otherwise it just wastes the resource it is supposed to protect, and impoverishes us in the process.

There is no free lunch, no matter how much the government spends on it.

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Comment by measton
2010-11-02 07:58:54

I am not convinced that we are dealing with invention in wind, solar or ethanol, just reapplication of the same stuff we played with in the 70s this time on a massive scale. It all still takes more “energy” to put in place than it delivers which makes it a fool’s errand

This is wrong
It does not take more energy to put in place than it delivers. Show me one article that suggests this about wind and even solar. Energy payback for solar is 3-4 years and dropping. Solar is a fraction of this 3-8 months. There are plenty of subsidies for fossil fuels as well.

Here is a question
In 10-20 years how much will a coal produced kwh cost vs that of a wind produced. We know inflation is going to cause energy prices to rise rapidly. A wind turbine will generate electricity over 20 years for a relatively fixed cost. I’d love to buy a wind farm now can’t think of a better investment.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 08:05:42

Measureable technological advances are only made during war and RACING. Yes, racing rules provide incentive for huge amounts of resources and thought dedicated to engineering development often resulting in technological innovation later used in mianstream products. I’m a racer, not a fighter.

 
Comment by Chris M
2010-11-02 08:07:35

wind, solar or ethanol

Wind is more efficient and economical than those other two. Don’t try to link wind to the folly that is ethanol.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 08:16:26

What about biodiesel? That fuel really works and doesn’t ruin your fuel system like ethanol. Why doesn’t the US have more diesel cars on the road?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-02 08:36:59

measton, 3 month payback for solar panels? Oh my. One would question why every privat home is not covered with these things, every inch. My company cannot justify a rooftop installation without the government cheese.

As a simpleton, I can say that your question about inflation gives away your assumptions. It will make sense tomorrow because of inflation. Just like in the 70s. A house in that case is a better investment.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 08:42:33

Blue Skye, I’m finding agreement with you. I think we developed the base technology back in the 70’s, but now we’re working on the efficiency and infrastructure support part of the elephant.

And, ALL energy takes more to extract than the energy it puts out. Second Law. What people aren’t doing is pinpointing the sources of energy. Does the infamous corn ethanol equation factor in the input from solar power? Fossil fuel is mostly solar power, some gravitational energy, and TIME. It’s millions of years of solar power squashed — literally — into a few gallons of super-compost. Technically, fossil is “renewable” too — if you wait long enough.

Wind and solar need some solar power time to offset the equipment, but after that, it’s almost free. Unfortunately, solar and wind use “real time” solar power, which is why they are so inefficent compared to fossil. If you took away fossil’s million-year head start, wind and soalr are actually MORe efficient.

 
Comment by measton
2010-11-02 09:03:08

Sorry typo which is obvious. Solar payback is 3-4 years in energy not price. Wind payback in energy is in months.

Again payback in energy is not the same as payback in price.

People who have individual solar panels still have to have a hook up to the utility for back up. This and small volume installation costs increase the cost of the system.

I suspect the lower wind payback is for the massive utillity size wind towers. Not the small windmill in the back yard. The solar panel numbers are for PV panels and not those that use thermal energy to drive turbines.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-02 09:04:46

Oxide, i do think there will be advances and I’m all for socialized research, just not for massive subsidized deployment of uneconomical (currently) technologies. One is a path to prosperity, the other poverty.

In the meantime, using less than one produces would be a good strategy, but that does not go over in a borrow from the future society.

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-11-02 09:57:32

Where’s a good place to buy a backyard wind turbine? Something like that might actually work on our property. The Internet sites I’ve found seem pretty stale.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 13:27:12

In Montana, check Gaiam.com. They bought out Real Goods some years ago. Other than that, maybe check the state government that hands out the tax credits?

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 13:26:19

I pointed that out the other day about aircraft.

…and ubiquitous electricity and phone and roads and sewer and clean water…

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Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 07:46:03

That 100 gallons falls from the sky. If the corn plant doesn’t drink it in, the weeds will get it.

Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 09:40:57

I thought the 100 gallons fall up from the Ogalalla Aquifier. Otherwise, we’d be in another Dust Bowl.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 13:27:36

It does and the aquifer level IS falling.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 05:35:35

Fed up Fannie and Freddie eye new workout firms
By Al Yoon
NEW YORK | Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:35am EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are looking to more aggressively move loan workout duties to specialist firms as their frustrations with the big banks deepen, sources said.

Widespread criticism — and federal and state investigations — of big banks’ use of inaccurate paperwork when foreclosing and their reluctance to ease payments for borrowers has created an opportunity for smaller companies to take on more of the lucrative business. Ten firms handled 80 percent of Fannie Mae’s loans, of which 27 percent were in the hands of Bank of America, as of June.

The trend may result in big banks losing revenue as the now four-year mortgage crisis wears on, but it may help homeowners and save taxpayers money. Homeowners may end up with better care as they wind their way through the foreclosure process and taxpayers — who support Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — may end up shouldering fewer losses from bad mortgages.

Banks including Wells Fargo & Co and Bank of America Corp collect payments on millions of mortgages and work out bad loans. The service of collecting monthly payments is typically paid out of the interest rate charged on the loans guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

“There’s a ton of servicing transfers going on. Some very big ones,” said Sue Allon, chief executive officer of Allonhill, a Denver, Colorado-based mortgage risk management firm that has been involved in some of those deals.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-02 05:37:10

Taxpayer-subsidized wind and solar power schemes are right up there with “carbon credits” as being the scams of the 21st Century. As always, follow the money, and you’ll see this isn’t about “clean, renewable energy.”

Comment by Lip
2010-11-02 05:53:28

I know of a large manufacturer of wind mill blades that has a factory in Juarez, Mexico, just across the border from El Paso. The company is a subsidiary of Mitsubishi.

Its always comforting to know our dollars are going to foreign countries while we praise how “green” the country is becoming. Its just another government boondoggle.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 06:11:18

Vestas makes wind turbines right her in the Centennial state.

Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 06:45:07

Evil Democrat Senator Chuck Schumer is working hard to make sure that Stimulus Package ARRA money goes mostly to American workers and companies. I don’t know if Schumer made any progress, but he’s trying.

(Didn’t somebody post an article from a newpaper in India that complained about ARRA dollars being for Americans only?)

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Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 07:15:04

Verifying ARRA funded work is priority #1. It’s a major PITA but have no doubt in your mind….. ARRA dollars are staying in the US in a very big way. The only way ARRA dough goes outside the US is through “substantial transformation” and it is very difficult for suppliers and vendors to prove.

 
 
Comment by Chris M
2010-11-02 08:21:06

It’s ironic to see the right wing complain about the gutting of American industry, as if they were innocent bystanders while this was happening. Free trade, anyone?

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 09:14:40

to see the right wing complain about the gutting of American industry, as if they were innocent bystanders

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 15:36:14

Thank god they didn’t allow those tax breaks for offshoring jobs to expire!

Another blow against socialism!

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-11-02 08:00:18

Its always comforting to know our dollars are going to foreign countries while we praise how “green” the country is becoming. ??

Do you have the same qualms about where our oil dollars go?

 
 
Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 07:48:18

Tax subsidized oil is just as bad. Those troops in Middle East don’t come cheap.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 08:11:13

I’d like to give our government an ethanol-enema.

Comment by measton
2010-11-02 09:05:27

Corn based ethanol is a disaster but other biofuels and sources of ethanol would be good to develope. Take a drive down in Brazil.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 15:34:17

“Taxpayer-subsidized wind and solar power schemes are right up there with “carbon credits” as being the scams of the 21st Century. As always, follow the money, and you’ll see this isn’t about “clean, renewable energy.””

Exactly! Depending on foreign energy and having the oil companies control our lives is such a better idea. :roll:

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 05:38:14

Foreclosure Defense: A Strategy Based On Banks Losing The Paper Trail
04:05 pm
October 21, 2010

In a kind of Alien vs. Predator scenario that’s playing out across the backdrop of America’s housing crisis, lawyers have put lax bankers in their sights, hoping to unravel foreclosures by exposing flawed paperwork.

Lawyers Peter Ticktin, left, and Josh Bleil look at stacks of depositions from 150 robo-signers last week. The attorneys allege that the court documents reveal an industry-wide banking scheme to defraud homeowners.

The revelation that “robo-signers” at banks don’t review loans became a scandal last month, and forced Bank of America and other institutions to review their processes.

But as The Wall Street Journal reports, the strategy has been used since at least 2006 — when Florida attorney James Kowalski “helped keep one couple in their home six years beyond their last mortgage payment.”

And Bloomberg says the trend began even earlier — in 2002, when Boca Raton accountant Joseph Lents stopped paying his $1.5 million mortgage. He challenged Washington Mutual to find the promissory note, which they failed to do. DLJ Mortgage Capital, which bought the loan, didn’t have it, either.

As of now, Lents owes around $2.5 million in debt, taxes and penalties, according to Bloomberg. But he’s still living in that house.

Stories like those have led to the creation of a legal subspecialty called foreclosure defense. There’s been a proliferation of Web URLs with names like “foreclosuredefense dot com.”

And a recent search for “foreclosure defense attorney” on Google returned more than 3 million results — and five out of the top six results point to lawyers and firms in Florida.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 05:42:07

Could the world go back to the gold standard?
November 1, 2010 11:41am

During any period of monetary disorder — the 1970s, for example, or today — a host of people calls for a return to the gold standard. This is not the only free-market response to the current system of fiat (or government-made) money. Other proposals are for privatising the creation of money altogether. (See, on this, Leland Yeager, professor emeritus at the University of Virginia and Auburn University, in the latest issue of the Cato Journal.) But the gold standard is the classic alternative to fiat money.

It is not hard to understand the attractions of a gold standard. Money is a social convention. The advantage of a link to gold (or some other commodity) is that the value of money would apparently be free from manipulation by the government. The aim, then, would be to “de-politicise” money.

The argument in favour of doing so is that in the long-run governments will always abuse the right to create money at will. Historical experience suggests that this is indeed the case.

So why choose gold? It is, after all, an impossibly inconvenient means of exchange. But gold has a lengthy history as a widely-accepted store of value. If one is looking to reinstate a pre-modern monetary (SIC), gold is the obvious place to start.

Comment by technovelist
2010-11-02 21:28:51

Could the world go back to the gold standard?

The actual question is “Will the world go back to the gold standard?”
And the answer is “Yes”.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 05:42:08

Typical gubmint BS I tried once and only once in my life after hurricane Hugo, (I lived on Sullivans Island,S.C.) to get a little hold over help from FEMA (I was wiped out) Total crap, reams of paper work, and I had $1100.00 in a savings account which disqualified me for a $3000.00 tool replacement loan. Along with the fact I could produced no receipts for said tools. Guess why? Because my f’ing house was gone, you morons, it’s called a hurricane for a reason! Anyway screw the gubmint, because they are out to screw you! Keep voting for more government, you get what you deserve.

OCEAN SPRINGS, Miss. — Denied claims for Gulf of Mexico oil spill victims are rising dramatically because of a flood of new filings coming in without proper documentation or with no proof at all, the head of the $20 billion BP fund said Monday.

Some 20,000 people have been told they have no right to emergency compensation, compared to about 125 denials at the end of September. This is in addition to many others who say they are getting mere fractions of what they’ve lost, while others are receiving large checks and full payments.

Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 09:50:02

I heard Cash-4-Clunkers car dealers complaining about the paperwork too. Government paperwork is there for a reason. They have to account for every contingency and protect against fraud. For supposedly hating goverment, there are an incredible amount or people eager to line up for cheese, whether they deserve it or not. Remember all the fraudulant $2000 cards after Katrina?

A lost house in a hurricane is one thing. A business which is otherwise intact except for losing some deliveries of shrimp is another. Did these brilliant businessmen keep their receipts on the beach?

Comment by Kim
2010-11-02 11:05:47

“Did these brilliant businessmen keep their receipts on the beach?”

No, they just haven’t paid taxes in about ten years, so consequently they do not have the paperwork to prove to BP they actually made what they’re claiming.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 11:36:35

“No, they just haven’t paid taxes in about ten years”

And they probably get foodstamps and other public assistance.

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Comment by sold in 05
2010-11-02 15:02:47

they do,this is the dirty little secret of the gulf coast…most work under the table,and get food stamps and free healthcare….

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-02 05:42:30

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/8102785/Bank-of-England-must-use-QE-to-buy-bad-mortgages-warns-Fathom-Consulting.html

Here we go - a UK “think tank” is saying England must use QE inkjet bucks to buy up bad mortgages. Yes, by all means, let’s transfer more bad debts run up by irresponsible FBs and lenders onto the public books. How long before bankster-funded “think tanks” and Republicrat K Street lobbyists propose the same thing over here?

Comment by measton
2010-11-02 08:02:12

AS far as I know the FED has already been doing this?

What I want to know is when we start getting riots. I have a pitchfork sitting in the garage waiting to get some use.

Comment by measton
2010-11-02 08:03:24

Certainly the GSE’s are doing this and we own the GSE’s.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 08:09:39

“What I want to know is when we start getting riots. I have a pitchfork sitting in the garage waiting to get some use.”

Just don’t forget that the government’s mercenaries have real weapons.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 05:42:33

Two views of the post-housing bubble apocalypse
November 1, 2010 | 2:45 pm

On Monday, my colleague Don Lee and Mark Whitehouse of the Wall Street Journal both took up the issue of how problems with mortgages are affecting the broader economy. But their approaches to the issue are so radically different, it’s almost funny.

Whitehouse taps a familiar vein of outrage, writing about the economic boost received by millions of homeowners who defaulted on their mortgages but have yet to be kicked out of their homes:

Defaulters living in their homes are getting a subsidy worth about $2.6 billion a month, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis based on mortgage data from LPS Applied Analytics and rent data from the Commerce Department. That’s 0.25% of U.S. personal income, roughly equivalent to the benefit top earners receive from Bush-era tax breaks.

In short, foreclosure delays are roughly equivalent to tax breaks for the rich. But that’s not all — according to Whitehouse, some of the folks who have defaulted “are cashing in by renting out their homes.” Hmm. Perhaps at least some of those evildoers are landlords, whose properties in some areas are defaulting faster than owner-occupied homes?

http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2010/11/mortgage-defaulters-vs-people-stuck-in-underwater-homes.html

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 08:42:08

In short, foreclosure delays are roughly equivalent to tax breaks for the rich.

And we’re told tax breaks for the rich are good for the economy, so the equivalent should be true of foreclosure delays, right? Or does it have to benefit rich people to be good?

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 09:23:22

“Or does it have to benefit rich people to be good?”

But that’s not all — according to Whitehouse, some of the folks who have defaulted “are cashing in by renting out their homes.”

I am not rich and I have been paying $1,700 a month to “Defaulters” since 2007 (I give the first LL the benefit of doubt for 2006) and it has not yet benefited me. So I would rather have “rich people” keep $2.6 billion more a month that they have earned then people like me giving $1,700 a month to “Defaulters” who are in my opinion stealing.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-11-02 09:29:29

Along these lines, if it’s good that the Fed is creating money, isn’t the same true of counterfeiters?

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 09:44:49

Yes. Why doesn’t the fed openly condone counterfeitting? It would be of benefit overall to the cause of inflation. With ZIRP, the banks are essentially counterfeitting their “profits”. Therefore banker bonuses are all in funny-money.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 16:05:17

Why doesn’t the fed openly condone counterfeitting?

The Fed doesn’t like competition.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 12:19:17
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Comment by technovelist
2010-11-02 21:30:39

I think we should be able to print our own money at home. We can already print stamps at home, so why not?

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 08:48:22

“Defaulters living in their homes are getting a subsidy worth about $2.6 billion a month, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis”

A while back someone commented on how words were used to shape opinion. I believe it was on a FB who said he had been “overloaned” I wonder if there is a change of opinion going on when words like “Defaulters” start being used instead of homeowners or victims.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 09:59:18

Just wait until these FB’s are hit with bills for back payments. Especially in recourse states. That money will have to come from somewhere.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 10:31:57

“That money will have to come from somewhere.”

Keep an eye on your wallet.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 05:43:57

“The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debts.” ~Henry Ford

Comment by palmetto
2010-11-02 06:00:46

Speaking of Henry Ford, I watched “Tucker, A Man and His Dream” last night. Awesome flick. What was even more awesome was his speech to the jury. It was so prophetic.

“We’re all puffed up with ourselves now ’cause we invented the bomb –dropped the — beat the daylights out of the Japanese, the Nazis. But if big business closes the door on the little guy with a new idea, we’re not only closing the door on progress, but we’re sabotaging everything that we fought for! Everything that the country stands for!!

And one day we’re going to find ourselves at the bottom of the heap instead of king of the hill, having no idea of how we got there, buying our radios and our cars from our former enemies.”

The flick was released in 1988. And here we are.

Comment by lavi d
2010-11-02 12:23:02

The flick was released in 1988. And here we are.

Great flick, but prophetic?

The first Japanese imports came to the US in the late ’60’s. By the late ’80’s Detroit was running scared and still creating the same horrible cars, only with square headlights.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 07:01:15

control by the creation of inextinguishable debts

HBB morning Quiz ;-)
Chronological list of “inextinguishable debts”:

Hint: (Not in order):

toothpaste/bar soap/toilet paper pantry supply
kids college education
billiard table
2nd automobile
house
kitchen remodel

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 15:46:56

Ol Henry was a crackpot about Jews, but in everything else he was not only a genius, but right.

One of the biggest giants of industry in history and yet he believed his employees should make a living wage.

Of course it was to be able to buy his cars, but that’s the point, isn’t it?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 05:52:36

Who cares Bill? It has to be done to “save” us…

Fed Easing May Mean 20% Dollar Drop: Bill Gross

The dollar is in danger of losing 20 percent of its value over the next few years if the Federal Reserve continues unconventional monetary easing, Bill Gross, the manager of the world’s largest mutual fund, said on Monday.

“Other countries and citizens are willing to work for less and willing to work harder—and we forgot the magic formula somewhere along the way,” Gross said.

“I think a 20 percent decline in the dollar is possible,” Gross said, adding the pace of the currency’s decline was also an important consideration for investors.

“When a central bank prints trillions of dollars of checks, which is not necessarily what (a second round of quantitative easing) will do in terms of the amount, but if it gets into that territory—that is a debasement of the dollar in terms of the supply of dollars on a global basis,” Gross told Reuters in an interview at his PIMCO headquarters.

The Fed will probably begin a new round of monetary easing this week by announcing a plan to buy at least $500 billion of long-term securities, what investors and traders refer to as QE II, according to a Reuters poll of primary dealers.

“QEII not only produces more dollars but it also lowers the yield that investors earn on them and makes foreigners, which is the key link to the currencies, it makes foreigners less willing to hold dollars in current form or at current prices,” Gross added.

To a certain extent, that is what the Treasury Department and Fed “in combination” want, said Gross, who runs the $252 billion Total Return Fund and oversees more than $1.1 trillion as co-chief investment officer.

“The fundamental problem here is that our labor and developed economy labor relative to developing economy labor is so mismatched—China can do it so much more cheaply,” he said.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 06:05:07

In other words, ‘everyone prepare to make Chinese wages’. But at least the very wealthy are still making mega-bucks. Ain’t globalization grand?

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-02 06:23:45

It already happened quite some time ago, we just haven’t had the reckoning.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 15:49:14

Exactly.

China, Russia and the EU have already had their “reckoning” years ago. And even though the EU was hurt by current events, they are still in better shape than we are.

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Comment by michael
2010-11-02 06:42:19

that’s why housing prices must be allowed to collapse…lower cost to live improves the american worker’s competiveness.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-02 06:49:14

“The dollar is in danger of losing 20 percent of its value over the next few years ”

So don’t hold dollars.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-02 07:25:42

Didn’t it just decline ~15% in the past few months alone?

I’d really like to know what exporters in the EU and Japan are thinking right now. What’s their next move? Are they caught just staring into the headlights?

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 15:51:51

The EU has a very healthy export trade with China at this time.

Japan? I think they are still doing well exporting to Europe, Russia and South America, but their Chinese trade is running in to serious trouble. There have been large street protests in China against Japanese businesses operating in China.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 16:22:48

There have been large street protests in China against Japanese businesses operating in China.

The Chinese have never forgotten what the Japanese did to Manchuria in the 1930s. Not to mention their behavior after WWII started.

 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-11-02 08:05:46

Other countries and citizens are willing to work for less and willing to work harder—and we forgot the magic formula somewhere along the way,” Gross said.

Uhh isn’t that the Goal Mr. Gross. If you collapse the dollar and create economic uncertainty haven’y you just created a body of citizens willing to work for less.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-02 15:53:49

“Other countries, CEOs and bankers are willing to work for less and willing to work harder—and we forgot the magic formula somewhere along the way,” Gross said.”

Fixed that.

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-11-02 17:13:20

Other countries and citizens are willing to work for less and willing to work harder—and we forgot the magic formula somewhere along the way,” Gross said.

Classic. One of the richest people on the planet telling us that we’re not working hard enough and that we make too much money. Classic. Someone who’s made his money playing high-stakes poker essentially. I’ve heard this kind of thing from other fabulously wealthy and successful commentators. Sounds like Mr. Burns from the Simpsons.

Well, it’s an accepted data point in economics circles that when a richer country trades with a poorer country, the wages will equalize. Up in the poorer country, down in the richer country.

I’ve never seen any policy maker try to sell that data point to the public.

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-11-02 08:11:15

QE is phase III

Phase I was TARP hand banks loads of cash for free they buy treasuries.

Phase II was GSE and FED buying up MBS giving banks more cash to buy treasuries.

Phase III is FED buying back all the treasuries for inflated price.

Phase IV will be the reset. The elite will be flush with cash. They will have off loaded all of their loans to the GOV. Then adn only then will they let the house of cards collapse. When the price of houses buildings farms collapses. Elite will come in an buy it up for pennies on teh dollar.

Phase V will be called the rise of the Countrywide Phoenix. With the Tan man himself driving.

 
Comment by technovelist
2010-11-02 21:32:53

The dollar is in danger of losing 20 100 percent of its value over the next few years if the Federal Reserve continues unconventional monetary easing, Bill Gross, the manager of the world’s largest mutual fund, said on Monday.

There, I fixed it for him.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 05:55:57

Stop paying on underwater mortgages and get out there and buy a Chevy Volt and a couple of iPhones! This is going to end badly.

Millions of homeowners keep paying on underwater mortgages

By Don Lee, Los Angeles Times
November 1, 2010

Reporting from Washington — For almost two years, home foreclosures have swept the nation, spreading misery among once-buoyant families, spattering lenders with red ink and undermining efforts to restart the economy.

But a bigger problem may turn out to be the millions of Americans who are still faithfully paying their mortgages, but on houses worth far less than before the bubble burst. It’s not that these homeowners will stop making their payments. It’s just the opposite — that they will keep doing it.

How could that be a source of future trouble? Because, with home prices stagnant in much of the country, payments on mortgages that are underwater could absorb billions of dollars that might be used for other forms of consumer spending — a drag on family finances, the housing market and the overall economy.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-economy-mortgages-20101101,0,7338975.story - 181k

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-02 07:33:33

Wow, yuck.

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2010-11-02 06:02:24

Japan pizza chain offers $31,000/hr part-time job

As part of a series of events commemorating the 25th anniversary of its arrival in Japan, Domino’s Pizza Japan is set to hire one lucky person at the rate of 2,500,000 yen ($31,030) for an hour’s worth of work in December.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101102/tot-life-us-japan-pizza-4b7b872.html

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 08:13:58

“Hourly pay for part-time jobs in Japan averages just under 1,000 yen ($12.41).”

Hmmm… that’s about 50% more than here in the US.

Comment by Chris M
2010-11-02 08:45:50

With tips, a Domino’s driver can make $15/hour. And if you’re driving your mom’s car, you probably don’t count the mileage expense.

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 09:36:40

You have to pay separately for car insurance now.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 10:09:14

I think the average in the US is probably heavily skewed by retailers that pay just a little more than minimum wage.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 06:11:41

Hey look, 36 jobs have been created!

36 Ind. unemployment officers to have armed guards

Associated Press
1:11 p.m. CDT, October 27, 2010

FORT WAYNE, Ind. — Armed security guards will be on hand at 36 unemployment offices around Indiana in what a state agency says is a step to improve safety and make branch security more consistent.

Lotter said the agency is merely being cautious with the approach of an early-December deadline when thousands of Indiana residents could see their unemployment benefits end after exhausting the maximum 99 weeks provided through multiple federal extension periods.

“Given the upcoming expiration of the federal extensions and the increased stress on some of the unemployed, we thought added security would provide an extra level of protection for our employees and clients,” he said.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-11-02 07:39:37

They will soon eliminate the need for going to the office without an appointment to verify you are a lazy bum not looking for work….

Just more temp jobs

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 07:53:12

Texas moved online years ago.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 06:16:37

Foreclosuregate: Time to Break Up the Too-Big-to-Fail Banks?

With risky behavior by big finance again threatening economic stability, how can we get things right this time?

by Ellen Brown
posted Oct 15, 2010

Looming losses from the mortgage scandal dubbed “foreclosuregate” may qualify as the sort of systemic risk that, under the new financial reform bill, warrants the breakup of the too-big-to-fail banks. The Kanjorski amendment allows federal regulators to pre-emptively break up large financial institutions that—for any reason—pose a threat to U.S. financial or economic stability.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-11-02 06:18:00

Yesteray 2banana posted an article about a “struggling woman has to sell Obama letter to help pay for house”.

Well, folks, in case you were wondering, according to the Chicago Tribune, she got $7,000 for the letter from a dealer.

“A Michigan woman is selling a handwritten letter from President Barack Obama to help pay her medical bills, the New York Post reports. Obama was so taken by Jennifer Cline’s story of how she and her husband had lost their jobs that he took the time to personally respond in January. “Things will get better,” Obama wrote. Autograph dealer Gary Zimet tells the Post that he paid $7,000 for the letter.”

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 09:26:39

Just think if Obama’s signature was on all of our paper money instead of TTT’s? Then you’d see serious inflation.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-02 17:16:24

I saw that thread and last night i happened to tune in Antiques Roadshow.. it was a special, titled “Politically Collect”.

lots of presidential signatures and such.. and one appraisal caught my attention.

“APPRAISER: Well, it’s really an important piece of history. Value-wise, Jimmy Carter’s signature really goes for about $100.”

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/200601A30.html

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 06:20:29

Is there any possibility for the Department of Justice to subpoena Megabank, Inc business records to determine whether too-big-to-fail insurance claims payments were something they “banked” on?

FDIC to sue bank officials in effort to recoup $1 billion in losses

By Peter Whoriskey
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 9, 2010

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. has authorized lawsuits against more than 50 executives at failed banks across the country in an attempt to recover more than $1 billion of the agency’s losses during the credit crisis.

More than 50 bank officers and directors were negligent, committed fraud or otherwise breached their duties and are, therefore, legally liable, the FDIC concluded after lengthy investigations into the first wave of bank failures.

The FDIC, which insures bank deposits, has lost more than $75 billion in nearly 300 bank failures since 2008, and officials view the lawsuits against the responsible parties in part as a means to recoup some of the losses.

Similar efforts after the lending failures in the 1980s, which were aimed at the involved officials, attorneys, accountants and securities brokers, recovered more than $5 billion.

These investigations are now beginning to produce results, and we anticipate that many more will be authorized,” FDIC Chairman Sheila C. Bair said in a statement Friday evening. “As a matter of policy, the FDIC believes strongly in accountability for directors and officers whose personal misconduct led to a bank’s failure.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 09:00:10

The wheels of justice are starting to grind up some banksters. Oh happy day.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-02 06:21:03

The republicans are going to win big today.

More importantly, fiscal conservatives (a subset of the Republicans) are going to win big also. I find it sad that there are no fiscal conservative democrats to support but that is a story for another day.

To answer all the idiotic liberal posts that are coming of “Republicans win big so when are the great reforms coming?” and “These new Republicans will be as bad as the old Democrats that were just kicked out so who cares?” I answer the following:

For starters it is not “reform” – Republicans cannot change government wholesale when they do not control the white house or have a filibuster proof majority in the senate.

However it IS improvement.

Cap-and-Trade is now dead
Bailouts of bankrupt industries is dead
Additional trillion dollar “stimulus” packages are dead
So are a bunch of other idiotic ideas like expanding collective bargaining

No it is NOT everything I want but it is better than what we had.

We cannot afford 2 more years of Obamanamics.

Comment by Danny Harbison
2010-11-02 07:41:24

And if the republicans win big, the public will lose big with a return to republican borrow and spend ideology.

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 07:44:20

Right, but please tell me what we have now? Cut & Save? LOL!

 
Comment by sfrenter
2010-11-02 14:23:35

If republicans win big today, Obama will get re-elected in 2012. Things are only going to get worse, and I don’t see them fixing it in 2 years.

The pendulum just swings back and forth.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-11-02 14:29:43

That’s what I figure, too. Looking back to 84 and 96 both suggest a high likelihood of Obama winning in 2012, to me anyway.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 14:33:31

I also predict an Obama win in 2012. Why? Two reasons:

1. Despite all of the doomin’ and gloomin’ on this blog, and on a lot of other places, the economy will pick up enough that it will be something that Obama can run on.

Sort of like how Reagan did in 1984.

As mentioned before, I was living in the Rust Belt city of Pittsburgh, which was suffering through the equivalent of the Great Depression. But things had improved enough elsewhere for Reagan to campaign for re-election on a “Morning in America” theme.

2. He’ll have the gift of a weak Republican opponent. Think back to Clinton-Dole 1996. I’m thinking of that sort of opponent.

Or, going back a little further to the 1980s, when the Republicans won easily against the likes of Carter, Mondale, and Dukakis. None of those three Dems could have been described as strong candidates.

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Comment by jane
2010-11-02 23:23:14

Slim, I’m thinking quite the opposite. IMHO, we can’t use past comparisons to predict future outcomes on this one. This Great Recession, that is. This time, we have gutted our great conveyer, goods out/fresh money in, and that is the only way real productive capacity gets built. Those capabilities will have been lost. They will take a generation to recover, once the collective light bulbs come on and once all the schoolbook economic exercises have come to a whimpering halt.

Coupled with creating for ourselves a post industial decline, we observe rising energy prices driven by increasing scarcity and increasing extraction costs, despite decreasing demand. It is a mystery to me, quite frankly, why oil is not over $100/bbl as we speak.

Regardless of wishful thinking, IMHO there is simply no way to sustain our transportation and supply models on solar and wind. Before we humans figured out the incredible work leverage available from fossil fuels, maintaining a middle class lifestyle required slaves. That is to say, throughout history. Oil and the work it does through a variety of mechanism replaced slaves. In an age of $150 - $200 - $500 per bbl oil, given that indentured servants, slaves, and working in exchange for room and board are not politically correct alternatives, the only variable left to squeeze is the living standard for the rest of us.

A gallon of gasoline will push a 2000 lb vehicle 20 miles on a flat road, and costs $3. How long would it take for any one of us to push a 2000 lb vehicle 20 miles? Is it conceivable to us that this hard day’s labor is valued at $3? This is where we are headed, I fear. And I do not buy the argument that wind or solar power can accomplish the same feat. In the limiting case, it will take an army of poorly fed workers to mine, transport, refine and compile replacement batteries. The supply chain for the raw materials alone is daunting. Those batteries will need to be recharged after a limited number of miles. And they have a limited lifetime number of recharges.

Mule trains are going to make a comeback. Not tomorrow, not in time for the next election. By the time we see them, we will have gotten used to the need for them already, and they will not be surprising. The erosion will be slow and relentless, unless it is brutal and sudden.

OK, I’ll behave now and get smiley again. I just don’t think this sucka is coming back.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 07:55:26

Bailouts of bankrupt industries is dead

LOL! Keep dreaming about that one.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-11-02 08:06:14

“I find it sad that there are no fiscal conservative democrats to support but that is a story for another day.”

Yes, I am disappointed because we have Green Party and Independent candidates running in both our important races, but neither appear to be fiscally conservative.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 08:16:55

“The republicans are going to win big today.”

Probably.

“More importantly, fiscal conservatives (a subset of the Republicans) are going to win big also.”

Seeing is believing. Prediction: the GOP controlled congress will continue to pass budgets with trillion dollar deficits. Tweedle-Dee is replaced with Tweedle-Dum.

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 08:23:15

“Seeing is believing. Prediction: the GOP controlled congress will continue to pass budgets with trillion dollar deficits. Tweedle-Dee is replaced with Tweedle-Dum”.

Yep, no doubt, time and time again, the game is played just how they like it. Yet voters turn out thinking they are making a difference. Just wait till 2012, it will be different then,NOT!

 
Comment by measton
2010-11-02 08:46:23

Churning gov officials of course creates weak gov. Wall Street and elite must be dancing in the street as weak gov is easy to manipulate. GOP doesn’t do their bidding they will be out on the street. Dems don’t do their bidding and they to will fall.

Thanks again Supreme Court

 
 
Comment by Georgiagirl
2010-11-02 09:33:00

+1

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 06:22:30

UPS Says 2011 Rates Will Rise 4.9 Percent

United Parcel Service Inc. says rates for next year are going up 4.9 percent for ground and air-express shipments.

UPS, the world’s largest package-delivery company, said Monday that the new rates will take effect Jan. 3.

Imports of electronics products from Asia, including the Apple iPhone and iPad, have boosted UPS this year and helped offset slow growth in the U.S. The company reported last week that third-quarter net income rose 81 percent compared with the same period in 2009.

But officials told The Associated Press at the time they were not optimistic about a rapid economic recovery.

As the economy grinds away, consumers have continued to trade down — opting for slower but less expensive shipping options. Businesses, however, are often paying higher rates for faster delivery, according to UPS officials. That’s helped UPS make more money per package than it did last year.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 08:18:48

Sounds like the Post Office isn’t the only shipping operation that likes to jack up rates.

I’m lovin’ all this deflation.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-02 11:43:49

Yeah, but Palmy’s post has me thinking - these hikes may very well be to help cover discounts demanded by the big shippers. In which case it’s more a matter of shifting costs than increasing them overall.

Silly me, and I thought the cost of Super Saver Shipping was actually being borne by that humungous online book retailer. Perhaps instead it’s my neighbors picking up the tab?

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 08:37:30

UPS rates are currently outrageous. I hope they price themselves out of business.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 06:22:41

Go Sheila Bair!

Legal/Regulatory
F.D.I.C. Is Said to Plan New Liquidation Rules
October 8, 2010, 4:33 am

The federal banking regulator is expected to propose new rules for seizing and dismantling large financial firms on the verge of collapse, Reuters said, citing a report in The Wall Street Journal.

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, as part of a proposed rule, was expected to say all creditors of large, nonbank financial firms should expect losses in a failure, The Journal said.

The rules, which could be unveiled as early as Friday, will be part of a broader effort to end the era of “too big to fail” financial institutions, The Journal said.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 06:24:49

WTH? I thought team Barry was going to ‘fix’ it all…

Mortgage Modification Failures Push Borrowers Into Foreclosure

With as many as 7 million homes facing foreclosure or already taken, according to Zillow Inc., both the government and companies such as Bank of America and JPMorgan Chase & Co. offered programs to forestall seizures by easing mortgage terms. Photographer: Jacob Kepler/Bloomberg

Jill Gray of Mesquite, Texas, said her three-year-old son, Anthony, often tells her before he goes to bed: “I wanna go to the other house.”

Jill, Anthony and Tiffy, their black Labrador-mix dog, moved about 12 miles to a rental home three weeks ago after their one-story brick house in Garland was auctioned in a foreclosure. Gray, 38, tried for almost a year to get her mortgage modified, only to have the approval rescinded. Bank of America Corp. said documents were missing — papers that Gray said she sent.

Gray’s experience, in which homeowners get evicted while participating in programs designed to avert foreclosures, is being repeated thousands of times at the biggest mortgage firms, according to groups that aid borrowers. The government’s Home Affordable Modification Program came under fire at hearings last week for “trial” arrangements that allow late fees and debts to stack up and documents to disappear, triggering seizures.

“Many homeowners end up facing foreclosure solely on the basis of the arrears accumulated during a trial modification,” said Julia Gordon, senior policy counsel at the Center for Responsible Lending, in Oct. 27 Congressional testimony. “One incomplete payment or one accounting mistake can land you on an apparently unstoppable conveyor belt to eviction.”

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 08:03:11

Garland is where the movie Zombieland begins.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 06:25:17

With all these new rules for breaking up big banks, you would almost think Uncle Sam had some big banks in his cross hairs!

* BUSINESS
* OCTOBER 8, 2010

New Rules on Bank Breakups
FDIC Expected to Use Discretion to Rank the Creditors; That Can Be Tricky

By DEBORAH SOLOMON

WASHINGTON—Federal regulators are expected to outline as early as Friday rules for seizing and dismantling a large financial firm that could allow some creditors to get a better deal than others in limited cases.

BREAKUP

The FDIC’s Sheila Bair, shown testifying on Capitol Hill last month, said the authority to pick among creditors in bank seizures will be used rarely.

BREAKUP
BREAKUP

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., as part of a proposed rule, is expected to say that all creditors of large, nonbank financial firms should expect losses in a failure, according to people familiar with the government’s plans. The rules are part of a broader effort to end the era when certain institutions were judged “too big to fail” because the government had no orderly way to dismantle them.

Comment by measton
2010-11-02 08:48:39

Like I’ve said at the end of the day there will be many who thought themselves elite and well connected who will find themselves thrown to the ground with the masses by the true elite. Is there any doubt that GS and other favored institutions will be ready to scoop up the dead with some free FED dollars.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 06:40:51

Brett Arends’ ROI
Nov. 2, 2010, 12:10 a.m. EDT
Wall Street is like a heist movie
Commentary: The difference is that the big guys rip off the little guys
By Brett Arends, MarketWatch

BOSTON (MarketWatch) — The best way to understand Wall Street is to view it as a heist movie, like “The Sting,” “The Italian Job” or “Ocean’s Eleven.”

There’s just one difference: In your traditional caper, a bunch of little guys get together to steal money from the big guys — a tycoon, big bank or major corporation.

On Wall Street, it works the other way around.

Take the Great Bond Caper taking place right under your nose, right now. Most people don’t even know it’s going on.

 
Comment by Brett
2010-11-02 06:41:02

I wonder if things would have been different if Hillary had won the election…

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 06:47:33

That depends on what your definition of “things” is.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 07:10:49

NO!

We would have just gotten to listen to her screech, instead of the big eared fool teleprompter reader.

Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 10:10:50

I didn’t see any teleprompter on The Daily Show — any other interview of any kind. And there are pictures of the Q&A period of press conferences where the teleprompter is clearly off.

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 10:25:42

Good for Barry!

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Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 08:06:07

Yes, she probably would have kept Gitmo open and still be tapping our phone lines.

 
 
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Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 07:24:00

The article is BS.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 08:20:55

Have you seen Lake Mead lately?

 
Comment by measton
2010-11-02 08:52:45

Trust me there is going to be a day of reconing in the South West. Given that the US will be broke when the sht hits the fan I suspect we will see some massive ghost towns.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-02 07:26:36

A big positve for rust belt cities of the northeast and mid-west (and a large reason they were founded and grew in the first place).

Lots and lots of water.

Comment by DennisN
2010-11-02 09:15:54

It always cracked me up - a 5th generation Californian - when newcomers would arrive from parts east. They would say something like, “I really like the dry climate here, but why are the hills so brown after the spring?” Or even worse, “I love the tall mountains here, but why do they have to have so many earthquakes?” :roll:

People want lots of water but no precipitation. It doesn’t work like that.

Comment by In Montana
2010-11-02 10:16:19

It’s like people who move to Montana and complain about the snow and cold, even though we don’t get neither enough of either IMO.

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Comment by MightyMike
2010-11-02 13:48:52

I remember about 25 years that white Californians would complain that you couldn’t get good Mexican food on the East Coast. They would also often complain about all of the Mexicans in California.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 14:34:44

Some of the tastiest Mexican food I’ve had recently was at Lalo’s in Chicago Midway Airport. And I especially enjoy placing my order in Spanish.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-11-02 18:24:29

People forget there were NO “Mexicans” in California until recent times. The native peoples in California were the Pomo, the Chumash, the Miwok, and several other tribes. The local Spanish speaking peoples in California were never “Mexicans” but rather Californios, who were a mixed breed between white Europeans of Spanish extraction mixed with the above Indian tribes.

 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-11-02 09:09:14

I forget where I read it, but apparently about 20% of all the electricity consumed in CA goes to pumping water from one part of the state to another.

If Al-Quida wanted to get the best bang-for-the-buck from limited amounts of explosives, they could do worse than blow up all the pumping stations supplying CA, NV, and AZ with water.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-02 17:00:51

..20% of all the electricity consumed in CA goes to pumping water..

seems like a huge percentage..

At night nobody uses much electricity, so the hydroelectric dams pump water upwards, back into the lake or reservoir. I wonder if that’s part of the calculation.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-11-02 10:15:41

I was very surprised at precipitation levels for these cities. Orlando at 50 inches? Atlanta at 48 inches? Ft. Worth at 34 inches? This is plenty enough rain to grow hardwood forests, and people can’t use it?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-02 10:28:16

It wouldn’t be too hard to disguise a rain collection device as a koi pond or even a bird feeder. Some people around me just put an ugly 55 gal plastic drum at the bottom of their downspouts, but with a little creativity one could equip every house in those cities with something a little nicer.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 11:17:00

Or you could go with the industrial culvert cistern look. That’s what my city council ward office did.

And Slim was there with camera…

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Comment by Ken Best
2010-11-02 14:14:40

Stop building houses in the desert!

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 14:38:02

Which is what we evil environmentalists have been trying to accomplish here in AZ.

 
 
 
Comment by Lane from s.c.
2010-11-02 06:44:16

I almost believe they are doing this to control their growth…ie, keeping head count down.

Lane

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 06:47:07

Stocks edge higher before elections- AP

Stocks are climbing in the opening moments of trading as investors await the results of midterm elections that are expected to give Republicans at least partial control of Congress.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 06:49:19

Hi all. I clicked on the site and saw my niece (in-law) staring at me. Yes, she plays Barbara Boxer in the new right-wing video, “I Worked So Hard For That” advertised this morning on the HBB. She’s very funny (and only 34 years old - they had to add a lot of wrinkles to her face and neck.)

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 06:54:45

That’s a great video!

Boxer is one ugly POS I am sure it took a talented make-up artist to get your nieces face ready for the part.

Comment by rms
2010-11-02 07:21:43

Néstor Kirchner holds the fugly trophy.

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 07:29:19

I vote for Henry Waxman, a face even a mother couldn’t love. Pure butt ugly!

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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 11:11:53

I don’t think Barbara Boxer is ugly. She’s an attractive 70-year-old lady, and I respect that she didn’t get a facelift.

Henry Waxman is definitely ugly, but in a humorous way.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henry_Waxman,_official_photo_portrait_color.jpg

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 13:06:11

In reference to Boxer I really meant “ugly” as in an ugly personality!

 
 
 
Comment by Paul
2010-11-02 10:42:45

wmbz, you are a major douchebag. What a repulsive thing to say about someone.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 11:34:51

Boxer is one ugly POS added!

He’s also consistent & persistent: ;-)

“wmbz’s descriptive adjectives regurgitated from his “Gentlemanly” Southern educational up-bringing”:

“…slack jawed jackass”

“Diversity” The puke word of the decade…”

“one less puke…”

“…witch parties ass is occupying the oval orifice”

“….thousands of examples of candy assed, bed wetter, thumb sucking policies”

“that little puke…”

“that asswipe…”

“one of the top turds…”

“I hope they throw this POS out on his fat old lying ass…”

“Bunch of mouth breathing, nose picking, bed wetting, short bus riding, ugly morons…”

“He may be a spaz/retard when it comes to…”

“Boxer is one ugly POS”

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Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 13:03:59

Ah, the thin skinned arrive, I love it!

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 17:43:23

Your response is nearly on the wordsmith edge of “eloquent” wmbz. ;-)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 07:08:57

WTH? I thought Hott-Lanta was in the middle of a bounce back in this U shaped recovery?

Big Atlanta homebuilder Bowen goes out of business
Atlanta Business News

Bowen posted a note on its website that said Friday was its last day of business.

Though a spokeswoman, company officials said the closing would not affect homes under warranty, and that all warranty questions should be directed to the third-party warranty company. They declined to comment on the the 41-year-old company’s demise.

“The decision to close Bowen Family Homes after 40 plus years in the business has been a difficult one,” reads the statement on the website. “Unfortunately, the market dynamics of the past few years have made it impossible for us to continue business.”

The business began in 1969 when founder Rudy Bowen was a builder in Gwinnett County, according to Hoover’s Inc. company records database. The company remained in the family as Bowen’s son, David Bowen, eventually took over as chief executive and his sons-in-law, Mike Phelps and Tip Cape, joined the enterprise.

Comment by scdave
2010-11-02 09:00:42

WTH? I thought Hott-Lanta was in the middle of a bounce back in this U shaped recovery?

Well it is recovering…..Didn’t you read E/D’s post the other day on how long he had to wait to get a pizza ??

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 10:24:29

You are right, the pizza lines are one of the best economic indicators…All is well!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 07:55:01

Another WTH? Barry promised ‘green’ jobs for all who wanted them. I guess he meant only those green jobs on wall street.

Pipestone wind-turbine factory idled; 110 layoffs

Suzlon Group’s Pipestone factory, which once employed 500 people, will lay off most of its remaining workers as U.S. demand for wind power sits becalmed for now.

Wind-turbine maker Suzlon Group will idle its Pipestone, Minn., plant, putting 110 workers out of jobs, because the once-booming U.S. wind energy market has lost headway.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 08:22:43

Vestas is expanding in Colorado. Maybe Suzlon isn’t competitive?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 07:55:15

QE2 over $5 t to be announced tomorrow?

Nov. 2, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EDT
Sell bonds now, Fed’s QE2 is doomed to fail
Commentary: Buffett, Gross, Grantham, Faber, Stiglitz agree: Bernanke plan a disaster

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

SAN LUIS OBISPO, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Warning, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke’s foolish gamble to stimulate the economy will backfire, triggering a new double-dip recession. Bernanke is “medding” too much in the economy, say Marc Faber, Bill Gross, Jeremy Grantham, Joseph Stiglitz and others.

The Fed is making the same kind of mistakes Japan made that resulted in its 20-year recession. The Washington Post says Larry Mayer, a former Fed governor, estimates that to work it would take QE2 bond purchases of “more than $5 trillion …10 times what analysts are expecting.”

Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-11-02 08:32:47

If king Krugman had his way, we little widgets would be paying a lot more for, well, widgets and other stuff. I can’t believe this tool is openly advocating suffering the poor and jobless with higher food, clothing, and gas prices. Suffer the poor to save the poor:

What am I talking about? Something like a commitment to achieve 5 percent annual inflation over the next 5 years — or, perhaps better, to hit a price level 28 percent higher at the end of 2015 than the level today. (Compounding) Crucially, this target would have to be non-contingent — not something you’ll call off if the economy recovers. Why? Because the point is to move expectations, and that means locking in the price rise whatever happens.

It’s also crucial to understand that a half-hearted version of this policy won’t work. If you say, well, 5 percent sounds like a lot, maybe let’s just shoot for 2.5, you wouldn’t reduce real rates enough to get to full employment even if people believed you — and because you wouldn’t hit full employment, you wouldn’t manage to deliver the inflation, so people won’t believe you. Similarly, targeting nominal GDP growth at some normal rate won’t work — you have to get people to believe in a period of way above normal price and GDP growth, or the whole thing falls flat.

As I wrote way back, the Fed needs to credibly promise to be irresponsible — at least from the point of view of the VSPs.

NYTimes.com: If I were King Bernanke

 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 07:55:36

‘Way off topic, but we sure enjoyed the World Series - have been SF Giants fans for the past 30 years since we moved to California. A nice break from nonstop election news.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 08:59:30

It pleases me to know that because the Giants won, the Yankee season ticket holders are free to lend their continued support payments for the $2.3 Billion dollar sports field stadium. ;-) Unfortunately, so do certain taxpayers.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 10:08:10

But Steinbrenner conveniently died in 2010 so his heirs have hundreds of millions more to spend on pitchers for 2011. And they’ll get a relative bargain in Cliff Lee, since his asking price probably fell by $50 million when he lost twice to the Giants.

 
 
Comment by sfrenter
2010-11-02 14:30:37

No one here in SF has been talking politics (except the damn robo callers). It’s all Giants all the time.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 08:00:51

You know Trenton would probably cease to exist if they have cut 328 shovel leaners…

Trenton layoffs begin Friday unless state aid comes through

TRENTON — Mayor Tony Mack’s administration will initiate a portion of its massive layoff plan on Friday unless the city hears by then whether it has been awarded millions in state Transitional Aid, Mack said yesterday.

Trenton has already twice delayed moving ahead with up to 328 planned layoffs as it waits to hear if it will receive some portion of the $39.4 million in aid it has requested.

The city faces a $56 million deficit, and each delay in cutting its payroll makes it more difficult to balance the budget, Mack said. He said the layoff delays cost the city $1.5 million every two weeks, making it critical that some layoffs proceed.

“We will be going ahead with layoffs in some form on Friday,” he said.

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-02 08:09:42

I bet they are laying off the ones that provide services directly to the citizens like trash pickup, clerks, library workers, etc.

Comment by scdave
2010-11-02 09:05:37

laying off the ones that provide services directly to the citizens like trash pickup, clerks, library workers, etc. ??

They “always” lay off the weakest group…

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-02 08:42:47

Trenton is a hole - with huge taxes on anyone who is left. It is also dangerous - except for a select few areas.

Most tax money of the Trenton budget goes to pay for public union salaries/gold plated benefits/insane pensions.

Nearly all these Trenton employees live outside of Trenton.

I know of one NJ fireman. Works two days a week (48 hours on call - sleeps alot of it). Has a huge house in the suburbs, 2 SUVs, ATVs and nice vacations. What he tells me he will make nearly 100% of his salary when he retires after only 25 years of work.

Robin Hood in reverse. Taking from the poor and giving to the upper middle class.

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 08:53:35

“Robin Hood in reverse. Taking from the poor and giving to the upper middle class”.

Right, but we have to remember it’s okay when ‘they’ do it. It’s the evil rich that are the thieving bastards…always!

 
Comment by scdave
2010-11-02 09:09:30

I know of one NJ fireman. Works two days a week (48 hours on call - sleeps alot of it). Has a huge house in the suburbs, 2 SUVs, ATVs and nice vacations. What he tells me he will make nearly 100% of his salary when he retires after only 25 years of work ??

Ditto here…Fireman friend who lives behind me retired @ 54…I think around 160k or so…Wifee retired same time from the city…Knocks down another 80k I believe…They have there home here and just built a 1.3 mil home in Hawaii…6 month here & 6 months there…

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 09:58:06

Wait until their pension funds are depleted. I doubt there will be a bailout, because it wouldn’t be a one time event. Tiny Colorado alone will need 7 billion a year to pay the pensions once the funds run dry.

State and muni employees are in for a rude awakening.

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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 10:09:51

But he deserves it because he’s a hero!

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 10:25:30

Don’t get me started. Okay, I’m starting…

Back when I lived at Dysfunction Junction — my name for where I was renting before I bought the Ranch — there was a neighbor who lived at home with his grandparents.

And he had an illegal auto body shop out in their carport. Nothing like listening to grrrrrrrrrind! and pound-pound-pound! when trying to eat, sleep, or relax in one’s residence.

Since my landlady was good friends with Grandma, forget about getting anything done about the noise.

What finally got the shop shut down and the noise stopped was the fact that our young hero finally decided to do something with his life! Being at home with Gwammy and Gwampy, who’d bought him the gear for the Bootleg Body Shop, no longer sufficed! It was time to be a…

…hero!

He went through academy Tucson Fire Department’s and was hired. Last I heard, he was still with the department.

As for the house on the corner, it’s been sold, so who knows where he’s living now.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 10:40:25

Fireman = Hazardous Industrial blue-collar job, using best equipment that taxpayer money can buy. Add American Flag = Increase salary $$$$$$$ for “Patriotic” pay.

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Comment by sfrenter
2010-11-02 14:32:56

I don’t begrudge fire fighters their pay. I have an ex-firefighter friend who is now blind as a result of getting locked in a burning house. Being a fire fighter is a tough job, and I want the strongest and bravest people ready if my house ever catches on fire.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 08:03:18

Homeownership at lowest level in a decade
Homeownership rate at 66.9 percent; lowest level in a decade as foreclosure crisis continue

WASHINGTON (AP) — The nation’s homeownership rate is at the lowest level in more than a decade, hampered by a rise in foreclosures and weak demand for housing.

The percentage of households that owned their homes was unchanged at 66.9 percent in the July-September quarter, the Census Bureau said Tuesday. That’s the same as the April-June quarter.

The last time the rate was lower was in 1999, when the rate was 66.7 percent.

The nation’s homeownership rate was around 64 percent from 1985 through 1995. It then rose dramatically during the Clinton and Bush administrations, hitting a peak of more than 69 percent in 2004 at the height of the housing boom.

After the housing bubble burst, the rate has been declining gradually.

About 18.8 million homes, or 14.4 percent of all houses and apartments, were vacant, according to the government survey. That was down slightly from the second quarter of the year, when 18.9 million houses and apartments were vacant.

About 2.5 percent of all primary residences were vacant and for sale and 10.3 percent of all year-round rental units were listed as vacant and for rent.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 08:20:46

The nation’s homeownership rate was around 64 percent from 1985 through 1995. It then rose dramatically during the Clinton and Bush administrations, hitting a peak of more than 69 percent in 2004 at the height of the housing boom.

After the housing bubble burst, the rate has been declining gradually.

About 18.8 million homes, or 14.4 percent of all houses and apartments, were vacant, according to the government survey. That was down slightly from the second quarter of the year, when 18.9 million houses and apartments were vacant.

About 2.5 percent of all primary residences were vacant and for sale and 10.3 percent of all year-round rental units were listed as vacant and for rent.

Sounds like the declines off the record levels of homeownership and the record high vacancy rates are correlated. As in, maybe-just-maybe we had too much investment in housing.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 08:39:17

“Homeownership at lowest level in a decade”

Should read.

Homeloanership at lowest level in a decade

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 09:55:43

Sounds like everybody was “priced-out forever”.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-11-02 12:55:56

Homeownership at lowest level in a decade

They left out “unexpectedly”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 08:07:16

How is that Ownership Society concept working out?

Homeownership At Lowest Level In A Decade

by The Associated Press
WASHINGTON November 2, 2010, 10:36 am ET

The nation’s homeownership rate is at the lowest level in more than a decade, hampered by a rise in foreclosures and weak demand for housing.

The percentage of households that owned their homes was unchanged at 66.9 percent in the July-September quarter, the Census Bureau said Tuesday. That’s the same as the April-June quarter.

The last time the rate was lower was in 1999, when the rate was 66.7 percent.

The nation’s homeownership rate was around 64 percent from 1985 through 1995. It then rose dramatically during the Clinton and Bush administrations, hitting a peak of more than 69 percent in 2004 at the height of the housing boom.

After the housing bubble burst, the rate has been declining gradually.

About 18.8 million homes, or 14.4 percent of all houses and apartments, were vacant, according to the government survey. That was down slightly from the second quarter of the year, when 18.9 million houses and apartments were vacant.

Comment by DennisN
2010-11-02 08:58:24

The article doesn’t define “ownership”. It would be interesting to see the percentages based upon several different but still reasonable definitions of “ownership”.

- paying on a mortgage or own outright
- paying on a not-underwater mortgage or own outright
- only own outright

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 10:40:11

‘…doesn’t define “ownership”.’

Right; that is an interesting omission, given figures floating around of up to 11 million additional American homes likely to go into foreclosure before this is over.

 
 
Comment by sfrenter
2010-11-02 14:36:58

ok y’all, I’m a-gonna ask this question again:

If you were king of everything, what should the home ownership rate be?

At what point do we slip into a fiefdom? Should 30%, or 10% of the population own 80 or 90% of the land/buildings?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 14:58:52

If you were king of everything, what should the home ownership rate be?

Whatever natural rate home ownership would revert to with 10-20% down, (depending on credit worthiness) no Fed interest rate or QE manipulation, no interest deduction, the averaged lending standards and the capital-gains treatment of the 70’s and 80’s.

I would not just pick a percentage because I don’t have to because I’d be king of everything.

Comment by sfrenter
2010-11-02 15:50:56

20% down means nothing if wages are completely stagnant.

Me thinks we are heading toward LOW low rates of homeownership as the housing market really bottoms out across the country and the middle class ceases to exist…

…then there will be even more of an “ownership class” than we already have.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 08:08:31

Gridlock is a good thing…

Likely gridlock in Congress could threaten economy
Post-election gridlock in Congress could pose threat to a fragile economy if little gets done

WASHINGTON (AP) — Political gridlock is supposed to be good for business. If bickering lawmakers can’t agree on anything, the thinking goes, they can’t pass laws and regulations that make the economy worse.

So will the midterm elections, which are expected to leave Congress at least partially controlled by Republicans and squaring off against a Democratic White House, be a help to the economy?

Don’t count on it.

A standoff between the Obama administration and emboldened Republicans will probably block any new help for an economy squeezed by slow growth and high unemployment. Congress might also create paralyzing uncertainty for investors and businesses by fighting over taxes, deficits, health care and financial regulation.

“We expect massive gridlock and little cooperation,” writes Brian Gardner, Washington analyst for the financial firm Keefe, Bruyette & Woods.

If times were good, gridlock wouldn’t matter so much. A Republican Congress and Democratic White House butted heads in the mid- and late ’90s, after all, and their sparring did nothing to derail a strong economy.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 08:23:36

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t it a “gridlocked” congress that passed the stupid TARP bailout? Banksters always get what they want - they have a monopoly on the grease that lubes the machine.

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 08:42:14

You may be correct, I can’t keep up the that nest of lying SOB’s

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-02 08:44:53

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t it a “gridlocked” congress that passed the stupid TARP bailout? Banksters always get what they want - they have a monopoly on the grease that lubes the machine.

Congress and the Senate were both controlled by the dems. The house was controlled by a rep.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 11:29:18

So why didn’t the heroic GOP filibuster TARP?

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-02 09:08:12

You got it pressboardbox …..I never saw them pass a Bill so fast
as Tarp ,without meaningful investigation ,apparently just based
on the word of Hank Paulson ,a prior CEO of Goldmans who just
happen to retire and get in that spot strangely exactly at the right
time .You saw some Senators objecting ,Bernie Sanders comes to
mind ,but it was just bizarre watching how unconvincing Hank Paulson was and how he used the “Fire ” call to get what he wanted .

Comment by Steamed Bean
2010-11-02 11:22:04

Actually TARP failed on the first vote resulting in a 700 point plunge in the dow. Congress came back and voted on it again about a week later and passed it.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 11:31:47

And it wasn’t exactly greeted with cheers in flyover country. Here’s my take, from Ann Arbor, Michigan…

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 11:35:56

Actually TARP failed on the first vote resulting in a 700 point plunge in the dow. Congress came back and voted on it again about a week later and passed it.

That is correct and many feel the “drop” was manipulation by Wall Street to scare Congress into passing TARP.

It worked.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 08:54:17

A Republican Congress and Democratic White House butted heads in the mid- and late ’90s, after all, and their sparring did nothing to derail a strong economy. “Grocery-dot-com” or “My house has been appraised at…” aka: “fraud-fantasy-fraud” ;-)

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-11-02 08:15:01

DH got a postcard last night from his (soon to be ex) eye doctor telling him that its time to have his eyes checked and his tentative appointment was on X day and time. He didn’t set the appointment - he didn’t even request it - or anything.

Never seen that done before!

Desperate much?

I told him he better call and cancel it because next thing you know they’ll be charging our insurance for “not cancelling within 24 hours” or some nonsense like that.

Fraud. Fraud. Fraud.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 08:25:45

Kim, I think you’re right on the desperation part. Let me ’splain for a minute.

There are quite a few areas in health care — dermatology, dentistry, and vision care readily come to mind — where the utilitarian aspects were overtaken by cosmetics. And, during the last decade, a lot of that cosmetic spending was driven by HELOC money.

Well, that HELOC party’s over and the hangover has set in — bigtime.

Which means that a lot of formerly cosmetic-driven practices are now hurting. And that leads to the sort of desperation that your DH is experiencing from the soon-to-be-former eye doctor.

Comment by Chris M
2010-11-02 09:23:23

My brother is a dentist, and he and his partner doubled the size of their office about one year ago. Now he’s working 4 days a week, and I bet that mortgage payment is painful. Three years ago, he thought he was “recession-proof”, but that has turned out to be untrue.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 11:26:52

No insurance == no office visits until there is a toothache.

The future belongs to discount dentistry.

As I have chronicled before the quality of my dental plans has deteriorated over the years and I had to fire Dr. Pricey as even mere checkups, which used to be fully covered, now cost me nearly $100.

So I switched to a “chain” dental practice (Comfort Dental). The place is no frills and is run very efficiently. Check ups are fully covered there. A filling set me back about $20 vs. almost $150 at Dr. Pricey’s.

I do miss Dr. Pricey’s office. He had TVs on the ceiling and headphones. And a huge fishtank in the cozy waiting room.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 11:37:43

As I have chronicled before the quality of my dental plans has deteriorated over the years and I had to fire Dr. Pricey as even mere checkups, which used to be fully covered, now cost me nearly $100.

Ee-gads! And I thought that *my* Dr. Pricey was expensive!

Last time I went to her office, the cost of a checkup with cleaning was almost $200. At Pima Community College Dental Studies, same thing’s around $55.

BTW, a number of Mexican dentists are starting to advertise in Tucson.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 14:22:18

I’m guessing that my Dr. Pricey’s full cost for a checkup was $200 and that the insurance “only” provided $100.

 
 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 10:14:02

I take care of disease, no cosmetics, but it will be interesting to see when I go back to work after my treatment to see if any of my patients found a new doctor. I’m planning to retire in 2012, so it’s ok.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 08:25:51

“Fraud. Fraud. Fraud.”

A clear sign of a country going down the drain.

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-11-02 13:11:29

Yeah my DH went in to an ortho for a hand problem and got scheduled for out patient surgery Thursday. Seemed pretty quick to me.

 
 
Comment by Little Al
2010-11-02 08:18:03

Things are moving faster than I thought. There’s a big article on CNN about Obama reversing gears and encouraging foreclosures to head into full gear to clear out the market in order to return to healthier times. Don’t you think he would wait until tomorrow for this announcement or does he assume that all homeowners are Republicans and won’t be backing his people anyway today?

Comment by Kim
2010-11-02 08:45:08

The article is not very timely, unless its meant to sway voters today. Obama has taken that position since the beginning of October when foreclosuregate first came to light.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-11-02 09:00:35

Just cuz CNN finally picked up on it doesn’t mean it happened today. This strangely un-remarked upon flip flop appeared in the last month or so, with all the usual ‘experts’ following suit and giving long explainations why we HAVE to get these foreclosures done in order for the economy to ‘heal’.

‘The Obama administration is singing a different tune about foreclosures. A year ago, officials focused on stemming the foreclosure tide. Now they are touting the need for foreclosures to rebuild the housing market. Last week Phyllis Caldwell, head of the Treasury Department’s Homeownership Preservation Office, told a congressional panel that “an important part of ensuring longer-term stability in the market is to enable properties to be resold to families who can afford to purchase them.”

‘But when Obama unveiled his signature foreclosure prevention program in February 2009, he said loan modifications were a key way to prevent the housing crisis from deepening. ‘We’re not just helping homeowners at risk of falling over the edge; we’re preventing their neighbors from being pulled over that edge too — as defaults and foreclosures contribute to sinking home values, and failing local businesses, and lost jobs,” the president said.’

Wait a minute CNN, don’t forget the moratoriums back in 2008. All due to ‘pressure’ from DC.

Now, come on CNN, connect the dots, I know you can! If keeping the foreclosure pipeline flowing is important now, plugging it up a couple of years ago was…

…Counter-productive and actually hindering the recovery! So besides accomplishing nothing, this foolishness cost us 2 YEARS of potential economic benefits.

So, while it’s nice to see these people come around to what many here think, let’s not forget that this folly set back our economy.

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 09:05:11

Right on target, Mr. Jones.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 09:36:32

Does all of this imply that our leaders have no idea what they are doing? I am completely shocked I tell you.

 
Comment by Eddie
2010-11-02 12:08:13

CNN like the rest of the MSM couldn’t connect the dots that link an ant farm together.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 12:14:26

“This strangely un-remarked upon flip flop appeared in the last month or so, with all the usual ‘experts’ following suit and giving long explainations why we HAVE to get these foreclosures done in order for the economy to ‘heal’.”

My leading hypothesis: This is related to recent turnover on the Obamanomics team. Departing saltwater economists Summers and Romer seem less likely to consider the market capable of healing without command-and-control interference from the central planning committee than a freshwater Chicago guy might be (Goolsbee).

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 12:21:20

“A year ago, officials focused on stemming the foreclosure tide. Now they are touting the need for foreclosures to rebuild the housing market.”

Slam on the breaks. Now quick — floor it!!!

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-02 08:57:09

I posted this to allow liberal heads to explode.

Actually, I posted it as it seems like Brazil is becoming an economic powerhouse after decades of socialist malaise. Maybe a correlation and maybe not…

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Brazil Vote’s Winners: Evangelicals [Brazil had a run-off election this past Sunday]

The Wall Street Journal | October 29, 2010 | John Lyons

RIO DE JANEIRO—Brazilians will take to the polls Sunday to determine their next president, but already one big winner of this political season has emerged: evangelical Christians.

[SNIP]

….a grass-roots campaign of sermons, Internet videos and DVDs distributed mainly by evangelical pastors thrust moral questions like abortion and gay marriage abruptly onto the political agenda and forced Ms. Rousseff and Mr. Serra to declare positions. Joined by some conservative Catholic bishops, the evangelicals mobilized at least partly in response to the government’s approval last year of a broad social plan supported by Ms. Rousseff’s party that included calling for greater gay rights and abortion rights.

[SNIP]

….by the day of the vote, Ms. Rousseff had slipped below the threshold. Some one million voters abandoned her for religious reasons, according to a Datafolha survey. Those came on top of three million defectors who cited corruption charges involving a top Rousseff aide.

[SNIP]

By many estimates, some 20% of Brazilians are now Protestants—the majority practicing in Pentecostal churches such as the Assembly of God. That is among the world’s biggest populations of evangelicals outside the U.S.

Evangelical churches play a growing role in Brazilian politics, mainly by backing Congressional candidates. This was a break-out year: Self-described Protestants won 50% more Congressional seats in the October vote, 71 of nearly 600 seats overall.

Evangelical members of congress are often elected to protect the interests of their churches, which control major television and radio networks.

They are politically diverse, backing both the government and the opposition. Their influence grew when they united to move the entire debate on social issues to the right.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 09:52:44

Interesting. In Mexico Evangs tend to support the left leaning parties like the PRI and PRD, while shunning the right leaning PAN because of its Catholic roots.

 
Comment by Danny Harbison
2010-11-02 10:12:25

You want someones “head to explode”?

So you’re here to troll and make inflammatory posts with non-housing related junk. Yeah. That’s what it is…. JUNK.

Some Christian you are.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-02 10:19:53

Oh, Danny, calm down. 2banana is one of our beloved right-wingers who only posts politics. You will undoubtedly balance him. We need more left-wingers - so welcome. And most posts are off-topic, so that’s not a good argument.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 10:49:05

Actually, I posted it as it seems like Brazil is becoming an economic powerhouse after decades of socialist malaise.

After decades of socialist malaise? These “decades of socialist malaise”?

The Brazilian military government was the authoritarian regime which ruled Brazil from March 31, 1964 to March 15, 1985, wiki

Brazil has became an “economic powerhouse” after it turned more “socialistic” if you call lessening wealth disparity, protecting domestic jobs and investing in your people “socialism”.

The Brazilian Workers Party has now won the last 3 presidential elections and dominated Congress during Brazil’s rise. But don’t worry, the rich are still VERY rich here. It’s just that now the poor are able to WORK their way into the lower middle class.

What the US and Europe Can Learn From Brazilian Socialism

http://www.brazzil.com/component/content/article/200-january-2009/10176-what-the-us-and-europe-can-learn-from-brazilian-socialism.html

But the Brazilian Workers Party, of which Lula is the most prominent leader, recently reasserted its commitment to “reconstruct a socialist alternative with liberty.” Its platform defines “socialism” as a system with competitive multiparty elections, full respect for human rights, and a mixture of private, cooperative and state ownership of property.

Latin America is at the forefront of democratic socialist theory and practice today because the Latin Americans have a long history of coping with capitalist crises. Although the Brazilian government, following Lula’s lead, chooses not to use the word “socialist,” much of its success in weathering the current fiscal crisis are due to practices that many think of as socialist. There is much that North Americans and Europeans can learn from Latin American thinking about socialist alternatives in the twenty-first century.

There is a hunger in the world for something to replace capitalist values and ethics. …British Prime Minister Harold Brown recently commented that: “as we have discovered to our cost, the problem of unbridled free markets in an unsupervised marketplace is that they can reduce all relationships to transactions, all motivations to self-interest, all sense of value to consumer choice and all sense of worth to a price tag.”

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 11:45:44

By many estimates, some 20% of Brazilians are now Protestants—the majority practicing in Pentecostal churches such as the Assembly of God.

I’m a moderate American Protestant and trust me. The Brazilian Catholics are way more fun to hang out with than the Brazilian Evangelicals.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 14:10:53

The same is true in Mexico.

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-11-02 14:21:46

2banana as a religious nut ball I wouldn’t expect you to have any concept of cause and effect.

Let’s see Brazil has been run by a socialist president and it’s economy is exploding so that must mean it’s exploding because evangelical christians have mobilized against the gay community? I can see why it’s so easy to get fools like you to believe in creationism, trickle down economics, and all sorts of other hokus pokus.

PS
Dilma Rousseff has been elected president of Brazil to succeed Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Don’t look now but another socialist just won.

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-11-02 08:58:08

We don’t have to innovate.
We can simply quantitate.
Like Zimbabwe and Weimar

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 09:31:30

You watch, Bernanke is going to be the first man in history to quantitate a nation to prosperity. The guy is like, a genius.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 09:09:36

Cotton Advances to Record in New York, China on Sustained Supply Concern

Cotton surged to records from New York to China on concern global demand will outstrip supply after cold weather in China and U.S. storms hurt crops.

Cotton for December delivery advanced as much as 1.9 percent to $1.3176 a pound on ICE Futures U.S. and traded at $1.3116 at 4 p.m. Tokyo time, gaining for a third day.

“Spinning mills are having difficulty securing enough volume, indicating very tight supply,” said Han Sung Min, a broker at Korea Exchange Bank Futures Co. in Seoul. “Mills in China keep importing following higher domestic prices.”

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 09:49:24

I guess I’d better stock up on blue jeans, socks and underwear.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 09:48:39

Barry’s so special…

US to spend $200 mn a day on Obama’s Mumbai visit
Press Trust of India

Mumbai: The US would be spending a whopping $200 million (Rs. 900 crore approx) per day on President Barack Obama’s visit to the city.

“The huge amount of around $200 million would be spent on security, stay and other aspects of the Presidential visit,” a top official of the Maharashtra Government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit said.

About 3,000 people including Secret Service agents, US government officials and journalists would accompany the President. Several officials from the White House and US security agencies are already here for the past one week with helicopters, a ship and high-end security instruments.

“Except for personnel providing immediate security to the President, the US officials may not be allowed to carry weapons. The state police is competent to take care of the security measures and they would be piloting the Presidential convoy,” the official said on condition of anonymity.

Navy and Air Force has been asked by the state government to intensify patrolling along the Mumbai coastline and its airspace during Obama’s stay. The city’s airspace will be closed half-an-hour before the President’s arrival for all aircraft barring those carrying the US delegation.

The personnel from SRPF, Force One, besides the NSG contingent stationed here would be roped in for the President’s security, the official said.

The area from Hotel Taj, where Obama and his wife Michelle would stay, to Shikra helipad in Colaba would be cordoned off completely during the movement of the President.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 09:53:01

Same sort of thing happens when the President visits any American city.

Case in point: GWB visited Tucson several times during his eight-year term. Much to the chagrin of local protesters — and, oh, do we have those — there was no way to get close to the route of the Presidential motorcade.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-02 10:18:33

Hard to believe that only 50 years ago JFK gave an open air speech in Soviet-encircled West Berlin.

At what cost progress?

Comment by DennisN
2010-11-02 10:23:19

“Ich bin ein Berliner.” :lol:

Translation: I am a jelly donut. Not the late Ted Sorenson’s finest hour.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 10:30:07

a top official of the Maharashtra Government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit said. ;-)

By the time MUrDoch’s “TrueProvoker ™” Faux News gets this “reliable news source” “processed”,…it’ll be $500 Million and he’ll be “outsourcing American jobs” to India!

Ho ho, hah hah, hehehehehehe, BwaHaHaAhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower™)

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 11:05:14

Three dog night

Well I never been to Mumbai
But I been to Arizona
Say the border is secure there
But I really don’t remember
In Oklahoma, not Arizona
What does it matter
What does it matter

Well I never been to Spain
But I think I sent Michelle there there
And she brought her whole damn family
Cause she told me that she didn`t care
If I refused it it
She said I`d lose it
And that does matter
It sure does matter

Well I never been to England
So, I headed for Las Vegas
Nobodys payin for there home there
Nobodys liking this Obama care
Now poor old Harry
It`s kinda scary
It don`t look good
It don`t look good

Comment by butters
2010-11-02 11:38:55

Congratulations on beating the Texans last nite.

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 13:56:35

Not bad considering they had a punter, 2 corners, 1 safety and at the end of the game a running back that were all working at Home Depot a couple of weeks ago.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 19:14:48

They should have punted more in the early innings.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 10:02:44

Porsche US Sales Surge 61%:

I wonder what pecentage of buyers are Wall street-types?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/porsche-october-us-sales-surge-61-2010-11-02

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 11:17:25

Aren’t KIA sales up too? While everything in between is down?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 10:08:39

I keep reading that people are mad about the economy and joblessness. That’s what happens when over time a population is dumbed down to the point they think it’s governments place to “create” jobs and take care of them. It is not, and see how well it’s been working over the decades, playing out just the way it has to. The republican’ts and democraps are the same players. So here we go again, false hope and promises that will not be kept!

Democrats Face Biggest House Midterm Defeat in Years.

The Republicans are poised to retake the U.S. House and narrow Democrats’ margin in the Senate, delivering a rebuke to President Barack Obama’s party in a campaign shaped by voter anxiety over jobs and the economy.

Republicans, who need a net gain of 39 seats to take control of the House, may pick up at least 50 in today’s elections, capitalizing on concerns about government spending and a 9.6 percent unemployment rate. The party may win as many as eight seats in the Senate, just shy of the 10 needed for a majority.

“It’s going to be one of those elections that 10 to 15 years from now people look back and point to as a midterm bloodletting,” said Stuart Rothenberg, editor of the Washington-based Rothenberg Political Report. Voters “are just in a foul mood,” he said.

 
Comment by butters
2010-11-02 10:16:07

US to spend $200 mn a day on Obama’s Mumbai visit

ndtvcom/article/india/us-to-spend-200-mn-a-day-on-obama-s-mumbai-visit-64106

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 10:29:02

Sounds like a deal. How much to leave him there?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 11:15:32

lol, can we get a package deal to leave both houses of congress there as well?

 
Comment by butters
2010-11-02 11:34:58

InfoSys’ outsourcing rates:

Presidency - $37 per hour (curry included)
Congress & Senate - $23 per hour with a vegetarian menu.

 
 
Comment by Chris M
2010-11-02 13:23:41

I have a hard time believing this. $200mil/day is a stupendously large number.

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-11-02 10:32:31

Listening to the radio on the way to work this morning. The DJ was commenting about how she took her kid Trick or Treating and how many houses there were with lights on. Except when she knocked on the door and waited, she realized they were unoccupied.
No furniture, no nothing - just the light left on.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 10:41:52

Kind of like having to ask who the sucker is at the poker table.
You don’t want to be the last guy with the lights on.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 11:19:42

I sat in my living room and read my way through Halloween evening. Not one ghost or goblin came to my front door, which opens into said living room.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 10:45:15

WASHINGTON (TheStreet) — One of the most important tasks before the 112th Congress will be rewriting the rules of the American dream.

Since Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were seized by the federal government in September 2008, lawmakers, with a few exceptions, have remained surprisingly mum about what will become of them. The Obama administration has promised to deliver a plan for the future of housing finance a few times, but ultimately put it off until next year.

Restructuring Fannie and Freddie in any meaningful way would have been difficult enough when one party dominated Capitol Hill. Now, with polls predicting that Republicans will at least split the legislative branch — if not take it over outright — it may be completely impossible to restructure the government-sponsored entities.

“Will the pace of GSE reform speed up or slow down, depending upon the results of November 2?” asks HSH Associates, a mortgage-data firm, in a recent blog post. “Our guess is neither; even then, once they do, our suspicion is that only minor reforms will come, with substantial reform possibly kicked past the 2012 presidential election.”

When asked what the mortgage industry wants out of Tuesday’s election, HSH Vice President Keith Gumbinger offered a common refrain: Clarity.

 
Comment by In Colorado
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 12:05:02

I’m sure someone may call me an a-hole but tell me, that after 12 years she could not find any income producing work? I know a severely disabled fellow that works at a local court house, filing 4 days a week. People fall on hard times. It happens, it’s happened to me before. She isn’t so disabled that she couldn’t give birth, I notice.

“I want to teach her to be independent and strong and to have a goal,” said Martin, who became disabled a dozen years ago after a workplace injury. She receives $1,600 a month in disability, food stamps and child support.

Paying $700 in rent leaves little for a growing child and the necessities of life, Martin said. “I want to provide a home … a place she can bring her friends.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 12:08:27

A good friend was seriously injured in an auto accident. He now uses a wheelchair to get around.

And a swift chair it is. He let me try it, and, boy was it responsive. I really had to watch my “driving.”

Any-hoo, friend was medically retired from the military, and that really was a blow. He’d re-up in a heartbeat if he could.

He does have a job, and last I heard, he was enjoying said job to the max. It’s a way of supporting his family. And his sports. Guy plays more sports than most of the able-bodied people I know.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-11-02 13:56:17

I’m sure someone may call me an a-hole…

Not me.

…after 12 years she could not find any income producing work?

I am simply astounded by the realization that there might be millions of people out there working the “soft scam” - too fat/stupid/depressed/etc to work, collecting some sort of disability or welfare.

The only thing that keeps me from getting pissed off* is the realization that their lives must be hell - knowing they’re a cancer on society, but continuing to tell themselves that they’re “sick” and deserve help - that kind of self-deception has just got to eat you up from the inside out.

I’d much rather work.

*I do get angry when they show up at Teabag rallies

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 11:23:05

Who’d of thunk it?

Study: No Reason to Pay Realtor Commissions When Selling a House

http://money.blogs.time.com/2010/11/02/study-no-reason-to-pay-realtor-commissions-when-selling-a-house/#ixzz149OO1gYQ

There’s an assumption that the 6% typically paid in realtor commissions on a home sale is worth it because the seller will command a higher price than if he’d gone the “for sale by owner” route. But a trio of academics who researched years of home sales says that this assumption is false. In fact, they discovered that owner sellers got higher sales prices than owners who involved—and paid a commission to—real estate agents.

…conclusion:

“Our key finding is that Realtors do not offset the cost of their commission; they do not get you a higher price.”

Their findings, summed up at the Kellogg Insight website, are based on a close look at home sales from 1998 to 2004 in one market: Madison, Wisconsin. Researchers compared sales involving realtors (who presumably received commissions) to sales from owner sellers who paid a flat $150 for an online listing. Here’s what they found:

With full access to data from both platforms, Nevo and his colleagues found that their raw data confirmed that owner sellers achieved higher prices for their homes. The average premium was 11 percent, or $14,800. That’s on top of the funds that sellers who used Realtors lost in the form of a commission.

How could this be? Shouldn’t a real estate pro be able to attract higher bids than a novice owner seller?

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 12:15:41

How could this be? Shouldn’t a real estate pro be able to attract higher bids than a novice owner seller?

Why certainly!

The public in general is conditioned to think that they have to hire a ‘professional” for every thing. I am 180 degrees out, I do damn near everything myself,if I don’t how to do it,I learn how.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 13:39:46

I am 180 degrees out, I do damn near everything myself,if I don’t how to do it,I learn how.

A man after my own heart!

Oops. Wait a minute. ISTR that wmbz is very happily married.

 
 
Comment by edgar
2010-11-02 14:33:49

Hello. I have been following this blog for years but just recently made a few comments.

I used a realtor(tm) when I sold my house in August. It took her two weeks to sell it. (I did my part with the price tho…) Someone I have never seen before drove by while I was standing out front (before the closing) and said: “I’m surprised you didn’t try to sell it FSBO”. I thought what an odd thing to say. I am using a realtor(tm) for my new purchase as well. I have been on the fence for 5 years. I know that the nominal value of my “new” purchase may fall, especially if rates go up, but I am not going to keep renting. disclaimer: I am not saying now is the time to buy nor advising people to use a realtor. This is my story.

best

edgar

 
Comment by edgar
2010-11-02 14:35:44

Hello. I have been following this blog for years but just recently made a few comments.

I used a realtor(tm) when I sold my house in August. It took her two weeks to sell it. (I did my part with the price tho…) Someone I have never seen before drove by while I was standing out front (before the closing) and said: “I’m surprised you didn’t try to sell it FSBO”. I thought what an odd thing to say. I am using a realtor(tm) for my new purchase as well. I have been on the fence for 5 years. I know that the nominal value of my “new” purchase may fall, especially if rates go up, but I am not going to keep renting. disclaimer: I am not saying now is the time to buy nor advising people to use a realtor.

this may be goodbye.

best

edgar

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 21:38:17

Good night and good luck.

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 11:27:00

Niagara falls.

Home sales tumble in Buffalo Niagara region 11/2/10

http://www.buffalonews.com/business/article239353.ece

Home sales plunged again in September to their lowest levels for the month in at least a decade, as the housing market continues to stumble along after the federal tax credits expired.

“It’s a reflection of all the people that bought in the first half with the tax credit,” said Philip L. Aquila Jr., president of Western New York Real Estate Information Services, which runs the multiple listing service for BNAR. “We anticipated it being slow and it is slow. It’s catching up to us.”

“They’re hesitant because they’re worried about the economy. It’s a big worry,” Aquila said, adding that he’s hopeful the end of elections will bring some certainty. “[Obama's] got to shake it up or do something a little different. We need to build this economy. We don’t need to go another year or two. We need people feeling stable again.”

However, home prices are picking up. The average price for closed homes rose 11 percent from a year ago to $138,499, although that’s down 4 percent from $144,384 in August, a record high. So far this year, the average is up 7 percent.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 12:05:35

And here in Tucson, the foreclosure train keeps on rollin’:

Local foreclosures up 7.5% for October

As mentioned elsewhere, the foreclosed properties in my nabe tend to be of the see-through variety. As in, the owners ditched ‘em a long time ago.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 11:27:53

~ On the line to radio station KVEG in Las Vegas, Obama said, “I know things are still tough out there, but we finally have job growth again … It is all at risk if people don’t turn out and vote today.”

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 11:35:25

“but we finally have job growth again”

President “Dude” is correct, why here is 36 jobs right here.

36 Ind. unemployment officers to have armed guards

Associated Press
1:11 p.m. CDT, October 27, 2010

FORT WAYNE, Ind. — Armed security guards will be on hand at 36 unemployment offices around Indiana in what a state agency says is a step to improve safety and make branch security more consistent.

Lotter said the agency is merely being cautious with the approach of an early-December deadline when thousands of Indiana residents could see their unemployment benefits end after exhausting the maximum 99 weeks provided through multiple federal extension periods.

“Given the upcoming expiration of the federal extensions and the increased stress on some of the unemployed, we thought added security would provide an extra level of protection for our employees and clients,” he said.

Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 11:42:53

Well there you go, gubmint creating jobs, all is well again!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 11:30:56

Stocks rise before elections, Fed meeting- AP

Stocks rose Tuesday as investors moved into riskier assets following a steep drop in the dollar, putting the Dow Jones industrial average near its highest point of the year.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 11:31:04

I guess we’re all OK then…

Close to Home: Sales bounce back in Westchester, N.Y.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/closetohome/2010-11-01-close-to-home-westchester_N.htm

Westchester County, N.Y., is along the Hudson River and close to New York City. Because it is home to many Wall Street executives,

But the market has not been hit as hard by distressed properties as many other parts of the nation. Home prices — in particular, high-end home prices — recently started to increase.

In September, the median sales price in Westchester County of $640,000 was 10% higher than September 2009.

Comment by exeter
2010-11-02 11:53:33

It depends which part of WC. There is substantial bank inventory all over westchester and even some of the prime locations at the north and east sections(salem, south salem, katonah, cross river). And towns like Peekskill, Yonkers? The article patently false. The two next closest counties to NYC on this side of the river (dutchess and putnam) is a lying realtors nightmare as is Rockland and Orange on the other side of the river. All 4 of those counties have huge amounts of middle class inventory and no buyers.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 11:41:06

Mickey D’s brings back one of their finer health food sandwiches…

The McRib Returns

It’s like running through a field of four-leaf clovers. It’s like finding a unicorn chillin’ at the fountain of youth. It’s like a hundred Christmases slathered in barbecue sauce. It’s the return of the McDonald’s McRib sandwich. And, to many people, it’s an event to get excited about.

The McRib phenomenon is something special in fast food. It’s an incredibly popular pork sandwich (cut to look like a short stack of ribs) that only appears once every so often. Despite fans clamoring for it to become a full-time member of the McDonald’s menu, the folks at the Golden Arches unleash its pork-flavored fury only once in a while. That time is now.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-02 11:46:29

“…only appears once every so often…”

Like maybe when pork prices are low? Or sales are slow? Or both?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 11:55:15

The McRib …(cut to look like a short stack of ribs)

Cut to look like a short stack of ribs”?? Cut?

More like Frankenfood chopped up “pork type food product” with an “edible” food binder compression pressed in a mold to look like a short stack of ribs.

Dang. All this “food type product” talk is making me hungry.

Comment by lavi d
2010-11-02 14:04:41

More like Frankenfood chopped up “pork type food product” with an “edible” food binder compression pressed in a mold to look like a short stack of ribs.

Yeah! Like that.

You got something against Frankenbinder, mold-pressed pork-product ribs?

You some kind of commie?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-02 14:44:02

You got something against Frankenbinder, mold-pressed pork-product ribs?

Maybe I guess…

Oh…UNLESS of course it then slathered with a “sauce” whose main ingredient is the government subsidized, synthetic monosaccharide, High Fructose Corn Syrup which USDA researchers discovered produces the poison hydroxymethylfurfural when heated above 120 degrees Fahrenheit.

That’s why I always ask for my McRib to be served cold.

And I always dispose of properly any uneaten portion of my McRib so the honey bees don’t eat it and die.

http://www.infowars.com/high-fructose-corn-syrup-produces-toxic-chemical-hmf-when-heated/

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-11-02 15:47:22

I grew up in Kansas City…….I’ve been eating barbeque all my life. I know what BBQ is supposed to taste like. A McRib sandwich ain’t BBQ.

It’s what you would get, if you described a BBQ sandwich over the phone, to a bunch of penny-pinching bureaucrats in someplace like Romania or Burma, and they set out to make a cheap duplicate.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2010-11-02 16:33:58

It’s what you would get, if you described a BBQ sandwich over the phone, to a bunch of penny-pinching bureaucrats in someplace like Romania or Burma, and they set out to make a cheap duplicate.

Who told you the secret of how they did it?

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 14:03:11

Wasn’t there a Simpsons episode about this? The RibWich?

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-11-02 15:35:14

My mother is 92 and living in a nursing home, and she loves those things when my brother gets one for her. She’ll live forever.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 12:10:22

I spoke with a real-a-tor last evening who happens to be a sister in-law. She asked me if I or anyone I knew would be interested in 20 lots in the NE section of our town. They are greatly reduced she tells me,”never get a better deal”.

Being the polite fellow that I am, I asked… Why on earth are you still smoking crack? She didn’t see the humor in it.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 12:53:41

Va. furniture plant to close in 2011

APPOMATTOX, Va. (AP) - The Thomasville Furniture factory in Appomattox is closing in March 2011, leaving nearly 200 people without jobs.

Thomasville’s parent company, Furniture Brands International, announced the planned closing on Tuesday.

Spokesman John Hastings told The News & Advance of Lynchburg the Appomattox operations will be shifted to other plants.

The Appomattox plant builds furniture for hotels and for the ready-to-assemble market.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 12:57:30

Steinhaus budget raises tax rate 8.5%, cuts 101 jobs
Poughkeepsie Journal • November 2, 2010

Dutchess County Executive William Steinhaus is proposing a 2011 budget that would spend less than this year, but would cut 101 jobs and increase the tax rate by 8.5 percent.

The 2011 budget proposal was released Monday night by the County Executive’s Office. The more than 500-page budget freezes cost-of-living increases for employees, restructures county government by consolidating nine departments into four and eliminates more than 60 positions through layoffs.

While the total amount to be raised in taxes, the tax levy, would stay at the 2010 level of $100,811,175, the tax rate would rise 8.5 percent. The 2011 rate would be $3.07 per $1,000 assessed value, compared with $2.83 in 2010. The cause was a projected decline of $2.8 billion in the assessed value of the property in the county.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-02 13:21:08

These many posts by this time .- I remember years ago when this blog would discuss the possible outcomes of the housing cash that was bound to happen.
Back in those days the Cheerleaders were denying that it was possible to have a housing crash and than the REIC went into the “Great Time to Buy” campaign trying to keep the Ponzi-scheme going .

A lot has happened since those days. I guess 4 billion has been spent
on this mid term election according to CNN ,the most ever spent on a
mid-term election .

I’m sick today ,I guess I have a cold or something .

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 14:40:52

I’m sick today ,I guess I have a cold or something .

I hope you don’t have what I just got over. Started out like a sinus allergy. And then I started feeling feverish. That lasted for a day or two.

The really annoying part was that my sinuses were too plugged up to allow me to sleep for a few nights.

Any-hoo, hope you get well soon, Wizard.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-02 18:07:51

Thanks Az Slim

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 16:41:52

Rand Paul has won the US senate race here in Ky. Looks like we’ll keep our Democratic congressman here in central Ky, though.

Our liberal (openly gay) mayoral candidate has won, beating the conservative pro-business guy in a supposedly non-partisan race. This is in Lexington Ky.

Kind of mixed results so far. Not seeing a major conservative wave here. Rand is winning Bunning’s old seat, so it was his to lose anyway.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 16:43:14

Oops - didn’t mean to post this here. Oh, well…

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-11-02 13:25:43

Horse riding teen suspended from school

HAMILTON (FOX 25) - A teen’s spirit week stunt has landed him in hot water.

Hamilton-Wenham Regional High School Senior Dan Depaolis, dressed in medieval garb, rode a horse into the school’s parking lot as part of spirit week.

What he, and his parents, thought was a good-natured stunt, the school deemed dangerous. Depaolis was suspended from school for two days.

The vice principal allegedly suspended the 17-year-old even after the boy’s father explained that the horse was brought in on a trailer and that no one was in danger.

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 14:20:25

I’ll see your Horse riding teen and raise you one….
‘She doesn’t have a brain, sir,’

‘She doesn’t have a brain, sir,’ says Hollywood Lakes man charged with killing his mother, scattering her organs

By JAMES H. BURNETT III
The Miami Herald
Posted: 10:03 a.m. Tuesday, Nov. 2, 2010

On Halloween Eve, Beau Henri Bruneau woke up and decided to kill his mother, he told police.

When the cops found the partially gutted body of Nancy Bruneau face down on the lawn of her upscale Hollywood Lakes home, they also found a cinder block, a knife, and a hammer — all covered in blood — nearby.

Human organs — presumably Nancy Bruneau’s liver and brain matter — were scattered about.

interrupting her shower by fondling himself. Finally, he began hitting her lightly on the back.

Nancy Bruneau began to hit back, so her son hit her harder. When Nancy Bruneau then tried to wrestle her son to the ground, he grabbed a hammer from a tool box and slammed into into her skull.

At one point, he said he tried to cut out her heart, just to make sure she was dead, the report said.

Afterward, Bruneau called 911, telling the dispatcher: “I just tried to kill my mom. I hit her. Then I hit her with a hammer, and then with a brick.”

On Monday, Bruneau was at the Broward County jail, charged with the murder.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 13:50:49

Y’all might enjoy a couple of the long comments to this article.

Nov. 2, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EDT
Stalemate
Commentary: Economy is caught in a real-estate Catch-22

By Irwin Kellner, MarketWatch

PORT WASHINGTON, N.Y. (MarketWatch) — Housing prices won’t stabilize until buyers emerge, but buyers won’t emerge until housing prices stabilize.

If it sounds like a Catch-22, it is. If it also appears that this economy will continue to limp along for some time to come, it is likely as well.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-11-02 14:33:42

buyers won’t emerge until housing prices stabilize.

Yeah, stabilize…as in, “hit bottom”. If only there were a way to make that happen faster. Maybe we wouldn’t have to limp along for years. Of course we might have to give up our dream of dictating the level the bottom occurs at, though.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 17:30:32

Do we rent or do we buy?
Do we rent or do we buy?
Do we rent or do we buy?
Do we rent or do we buy?
Do we rent or do we buy?
Do we rent or do we buy?

Honey, how’s your job lookin’?

Do we rent or do we buy?
Do we rent or do we buy?
Do we rent or do we buy?
Do we rent or do we buy?
Do we rent or do we buy?
Do we rent or do we buy?

I say sweety-pie, how’s your job lookin’?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 14:15:27

Foreclosure Fiasco
American dream fades for more as homeownership falls
By Les Christie, staff writer
November 2, 2010: 2:36 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Ongoing economic, financial and housing woes continue to hit Americans where they live — or used to.

A perfect storm of job losses, unaffordable mortgages and plunging home prices have resulted in a steady decline in homeownership over the past five years, according to the results of a U.S. Census Bureau report.

Nearly 3 million fewer Americans now own homes compared to the first quarter of 2005, when homeownership peaked at 69.1%, the Census Bureau found. During the third quarter of 2010, the homeownership rate was down to 66.9%, unchanged from a quarter earlier. That’s the lowest rate since the second quarter of 1999.

Meanwhile, a great number of homes sit empty. For owner-occupied homes, the vacancy rate remains at 2.5%, the same as in the second quarter, but well up from the sub-2% levels seen mid-decade.

For rental properties, the vacancy rate actually dropped in the third quarter, to 10.3% from 10.6% three months earlier. But that’s still up from the 9.9% rate of 24 months ago.

There’s a big inventory glut out there and it’s probably worse than reported,” said Pat Newport, an analyst with IHS Global Insight. “The data is muddled because they don’t account for foreclosures not for sale.

Quiz
Befuddled by foreclosures?
1. What are “robo-signers?”
A) Computers that auto-approve loans.
B) Bank employees who sign loan documents without first reviewing their content.
C) Powerful cyborgs that pressure bank employees to sign off on financial documents that are known to be inaccurate.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-02 14:24:29

“C) Powerful cyborgs that pressure bank employees to sign off on financial documents that are known to be inaccurate.”

Unemployed Battlestar Galactica centurions?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 14:20:58

You got 6 of 6 questions correct.

Great job! You’ve just secured yourself a spot with the Federal Housing Administration.

Foreclosure Fiasco
Befuddled by foreclosures?

Foreclosures have become a complicated mess for homeowners nationwide. Can you cut through the confusion? Take the CNNMoney foreclosure quiz.

By Jessica Dickler

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 14:32:46

Despite dry run, timing midair explosion not easy

By MATT APUZZO The Associated Press

Posted: 5:22 p.m. Tuesday, Nov. 2, 2010

WASHINGTON — Even after a suspected test run in September, last week’s attempted mail bombings from Yemen were a shot in the dark for al-Qaida, which could not have known exactly where its packages were when they were set to explode, U.S. officials said Tuesday.

When investigators pulled the Chicago-bound packages off cargo planes in England and the United Arab Emirates Friday, they found the bombs wired to cell phones. The communication cards had been removed and the phones could not receive calls, officials said, making it likely the terrorists intended the alarm or timer functions to detonate the bombs.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-02 14:39:31

Obama: Agenda ‘all at risk’ in any Republican romp

WASHINGTON — Even with voting already under way, President Barack Obama furiously worked the phones to urban-format radio stations Tuesday, arguing that his agenda would be “all at risk” if Republicans trampled Democrats.

“We need to keep moving forward, that’s why I need folks to vote today,” Obama told listeners to KPWR in Los Angeles.

Interrupting the music and chat of the station’s morning show, Obama phoned in from the Oval Office to acknowledge voter frustration with the recession-bound economy — and say that even though he’s not on the ballot, his agenda is.

“Are we taking the steps now to move us in the right direction, or are going to go back to the policies that got us into that mess in the first place?” he said.

Other calls went to radio stations in Las Vegas, Chicago and Jacksonville, Fla., with large African-American listenership. On Monday, Obama phoned a series of nationally syndicated radio programs.

“Harry Reid has been my partner,” Obama said. “Every poll shows the race between Harry Reid and his opponent neck and neck. We know that if people who voted in 2008 turn out to vote in 2010, Harry will win. if they don’t turn out, he will lose.”

Obama said losing lawmakers like Reid would make it hard for him to “keep making improvements in the economy.”

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-02 16:33:55

Obama said losing lawmakers like Reid would make it hard for him to “keep making improvements in the economy.”

What more does he want? He got in there, rammed healthcare through which was a huge accomplishment.. something the Dems have been lusting after for generations.. and did it despite a putrid economy. Anything else is just gravy.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-02 17:24:11

Why that (Non-Hawaiian) Kenyan-Indonesian-Muslim-Islamist Kansas birth mother of a distant slave imported cotton-picker ancestor, we all know he’s been tryin’ TO DESTROY AMERICA! :-)

 
 
Comment by fisher
2010-11-02 15:25:43

Just curious, does anyone here on our illustrious forum have any experience inside the Dem or Rep political machines? What goes on inside the caucuses and the conventions? Who is pulling the strings to assure it stays a tweedle-de-dum situation in the final election? The party machines are (mostly) controlling the candidate choices so I’m curious if anyone has boots on the ground anecdotes. Voting doesn’t do a lot of good if your ballot choices have been preordained by the scum you’re trying to get rid of, eh?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-02 15:51:28

One of my friends is active in the Pima County Democratic Party. According to her, the local party has a diversity problem.

 
Comment by rms
2010-11-02 19:30:23

“Who is pulling the strings to assure it stays a tweedle-de-dum situation in the final election?”

If your district congressman/woman serves on a committee that is critical to Israel’s survival then your home, job and retirement nest-egg are really non issues.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 15:26:51

QE2 is risky and should be limited
By Martin Feldstein
Published: November 2 2010 20:50 | Last updated: November 2 2010 20:50

The Federal Reserve’s proposed policy of quantitative easing is a dangerous gamble with only a small potential upside benefit and substantial risks of creating asset bubbles that could destabilise the global economy. Although the US economy is weak and the outlook uncertain, QE is not the right remedy.

Under the label of QE, the Fed will buy long-term government bonds, perhaps one trillion dollars or more, adding an equal amount of cash to the economy and to banks’ excess reserves. Expectation of this has lowered long-term interest rates, depressed the dollar’s international value, bid up the price of commodities and farm land and raised share prices.

Like all bubbles, these exaggerated increases can rapidly reverse when interest rates return to normal levels. The greatest danger will then be to leveraged investors, including individuals who bought these assets with borrowed money and banks that hold long-term securities. These risks should be clear after the recent crisis driven by the bursting of asset price bubbles. Although the specific asset prices that are now rising are different from last time, the possibility of damaging declines when bubbles burst is worryingly similar.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-02 16:27:44

…QE is not the right remedy…

Having read that, i was hoping this guy was one of the rare few who had viable alternatives. The last paragraph seems to have his preferred plan of action.

The truth is there is little more that the Fed can do to raise economic activity. What is required is action by the president and Congress: to help homeowners with negative equity and businesses that cannot get credit, to remove the threat of higher tax rates, and reduce the out-year fiscal deficits. Any QE should be limited and temporary.

hmm..
“Help” FBs, Help businesses borrow money.. keep taxes low.. cut spending.
Not exactly a detailed plan..

Comment by butters
2010-11-02 17:26:15

What do you expect from Obama’s favorite conservative economist?

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-02 19:44:36

One thing i’d expect, is he could find the time to leave the Harvard campus and visit a local business… and ask what they need. It’s not loans. It’s customers.

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Comment by neuromance
2010-11-02 17:50:15

I saw this quote - perhaps here - “A politician is concerned about the next election. A statesman is concerned about the next generation.” - someone.

It seems that Bernanke and Geithner are both political creatures and will what is politically expedient in the now - namely try to kick the can down the road. If there’s a little positive blip now - like a hair of the dog cure the next morning - they’ll go for it. The attitude is who knows what can happen later today - I might not get a hangover, and I can still drive. Right?

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-02 18:08:57

seems like nobody’s got a better idea.. If they do, they’re not willing to say so, much less actually do something.

 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-02 16:38:12

Fraud does not pay:

Mortage-fraudsters getting ready for serious hard time.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/02/1903934/four-plead-guilty-to-fraudulent.html

Comment by rms
2010-11-02 18:03:33

“Mortage-fraudsters getting ready for serious hard time.”

I hope they get to serve up some hind saddle veal.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 16:47:47

(sorry sorry for the double double post post)

Rand Paul has won the US senate race here in Ky. Looks like we’ll keep our Democratic congressman here in central Ky, though.

Our liberal (openly gay) mayoral candidate has won easily, beating the incumbent conservative pro-business guy in a supposedly non-partisan race. This is in Lexington Ky.

Kind of mixed results so far. Not seeing a major conservative wave here. Rand is winning Bunning’s old seat, so it was his to lose anyway.

Anyone seeing any interesting results elsewhere?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 17:27:05

Black Repub beats Strom Thurmond’s son in S. Carolina. Wow.

 
Comment by butters
2010-11-02 17:29:42

Rubio surprised me the most. He is at 50% now out of 3 candidates. 30% reported.

I will be back in couple of hrs. Gotta run some errands.

Comment by butters
2010-11-02 17:33:44

Grayson is losing badly too. I would have liked him win with all his kookiness. He was great against the fed.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 17:47:02

Yeah, he and Feingold will be missed. So much for running out the establishment types.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-02 17:40:56

Dems win Byrd’s old Senate seat in W. Va. This ain’t no rout.

 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-11-02 20:48:50

Mark-to-fantasy Kanjorski went down.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 19:43:38

Chris Kelly
Writer, Real Time with Bill Maher
Posted: November 2, 2010 12:21 PM

One Bright Spot: Meg Whitman Eats It


Here’s the good news: Meg Whitman will not be governor of California. …
Maybe it’s very good news.

Meg Whitman will not be governor of California. That means Mitt Romney — from whom Meg sprung, like Athena from the head of Zeus — can’t count on winning the California primary in 2012. He might win it, but he can’t promise to win it. That makes him less inevitable as the nominee, and the perception of inevitability is all he’s got. Meg Whitman losing today means the Republican nomination in 2012 is anybody’s game.

Even Sarah Palin’s.

And that’s very good news. Because Obama could probably beat her.

Probably.

And as for Meg?

It took a lifetime’s work to lose that race. Sure, there was the tacky business with the housekeeper, and the money turned people off, combined with a grinding total lack of warmth, charm, wit or humility. But, in the end, it was probably over before it started. Probably the fact that she never voted was all we needed to know.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 19:49:17

* November 2, 2010, 9:26 PM ET

No More Queen Meg?

By Jim Carlton

A loss by Republican Meg Whitman to Democrat Jerry Brown in the California governor’s race could mean the end for another Meg: Queen Meg.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 21:31:56

Nov. 3, 2010, 12:26 a.m. EDT
Republican tidal wave misses California
Brown gets another shot as governor; Sen. Boxer holding off Fiorina challenge
By Russ Britt, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — The Republican wave that swept the nation in Tuesday’s midterm elections appeared to steer clear of California, as voters were returning Jerry Brown to the governor’s office and fellow Democrat Barbara Boxer was barely keeping her Senate seat, early returns showed.

If returns hold up, it will mean two of Silicon Valley’s most notable names — and two of the most powerful executives ever in the tech industry — will have fallen short in carrying out their goal of making the transition from business to politics.

Brown, the one-time California governor, was cruising to a comfortable victory over former eBay Inc. Chief Executive Meg Whitman.

The Associated Press and television networks projected Boxer, a three-term senator, narrowly won a fourth term by beating challenger Carly Fiorina, the ex-CEO of Hewlett-Packard Co. But Fiorina supporters were holding out hope the tally would turn in their favor.

Comment by rms
2010-11-02 22:01:00

Glad to see the early results of CA’s Prop 20 & 27. Looks like Haim Saban will have to spend more money to get things his way.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-11-02 23:43:32

Who needs government stimulus when you’ve got Meg’s $140M?

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-11-02 23:48:02

And it says a lot that Carly “The Outsourcer” Fiorina did as well as she did, given what she did to HP.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-02 21:49:46

Technically, Flyover Country is already bailing out expensive coastal housing markets. Got $729,750 conforming loan limit?

* OPINION
* NOVEMBER 3, 2010

State Bailouts? They’ve Already Begun

Bond subsidies and transfers have allowed states to avoid making tough decisions. It won’t last.

By MEREDITH WHITNEY

The threat posed by the state fiscal crisis in the U.S. is vastly underestimated and under-appreciated—because even today too few people understand how states have been managing their finances.

A clear example of this took place in Manhattan last week at the Economist magazine’s Buttonwood Conference, where a panel role-played the federal government’s response to a near default of the hypothetical state of New Jefferson. After various deliberations and simulated threats from the Chinese government, the panel reluctantly voted to grant New Jefferson an emergency bailout of $1.5 billion to cover the state’s debt payment.

What this panel and so many other investors fail to appreciate is that state bailouts have already begun. Over 20% of California’s debt issuance during 2009 and over 30% of its debt issuance in 2010 to date has been subsidized by the federal government in a program known as Build America Bonds. Under the program, the U.S. Treasury covers 35% of the interest paid by the bonds. Arguably, without this program the interest cost of bonds for some states would have reached prohibitive levels.

California is not alone: Over 30% of Illinois’s debt and over 40% of Nevada’s debt issued since 2009 has also been subsidized with these bonds. These states might have already reached some type of tipping point had the federal program not been in place.

Until now, the states have been able to evade the need to rein in spending largely because the federal government enabled them to do so through record high federal allocations, and by creative accounting that put off funding well over a trillion dollars of state-employee pension and other retirement obligations.

The level of complacency around this issue is alarming. Most assume, as last week’s Buttonwood panel did, that the federal government will simply come to the rescue of the states without appreciating the immensity of the cumulative state-budget gaps. I expect multiple municipal defaults to trigger indiscriminate selling, which will prompt a federal response. Solutions attempted in piecemeal fashion, as we’ve seen thus far, would amount to constantly putting out recurring fires.

Rather than waiting for more federal intervention, states need to make their own hard decisions and not kick the can down the road. How will taxpayers from fiscally conservative states like Texas or Nebraska feel about bailing out threadbare Illinois or California? Let’s hope we never have to find out.

 
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