November 6, 2010

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Comment by combotechie
2010-11-06 04:09:39

Some early morning musings:

If the dollar is being devalued to make our exports more competitive in the world market then we Americans are going to have to pay higher prices for things in order to compete for these products that are being exported.

For example, if the demand by the rest of the world for American wheat is increased then the domestic price of wheat will go up.

So therin lies a double whammy: Not only will we Americans have to pay more dollars to buy things that are imported, we will have to pay more dollars for things that are exported.

But the scarcity of dollars circulating at home is going to make it tough to pay higher prices for things.

So we are going to get hosed at both ends: More dollars will be needed to buy the goods and services we have to have, and less dollars will be available for us to buy these goods and services we have to have.

Luckily most of the jobs in the U.S. are involved in producing goods and services we have to have, otherwise we would be in big trouble.

Oh, wait…

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-06 05:29:45

It is interesting to watch the herd pile into commodities while the real demand for “stuff” is steadily eroding. My take is that is the futile hopeful gasping of short term greed and belief that the debt based model will prove successful. That hope is increasingly fragile. Isn’t the increasing volatility of commodty prices a sign of that?

In two years we have shed some 10 million jobs in the US. Demand for houses and all that goes into them has fallen off a cliff. Shouldn’t this collapse the demand for commodities? What makes people jump on the train to nowhere?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-06 05:49:48

We might not be consuming commodities, but what if other nations are?

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-06 05:50:29

Sure, to sell stuff to us! Haha.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-06 11:45:44

Or each other.

 
Comment by stpn2me
2010-11-06 20:20:55

Or each other.

And the last thing we want is for the world to ask “Who needs the U.S.?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-11-06 20:34:00

Who needs the U.S.?

‘It would be a safe assumption that proponents and advocates of Empire haven’t actually given up, but rather consider this a passing phase. After all, doesn’t the world hunger for America? Isn’t America a benevolent empire, protecting human rights, punishing the evildoers and promoting democracy? Doesn’t the world need a hyperpower to keep everyone in line?’

‘Engelhardt describes: “We’ve just gotten way too used to the idea that the United States must be the planet’s preeminent nation, the global hegemon, the sole superpower, numero uno. We’ve convinced ourselves that neither we nor the world can exist without our special management.”

http://original.antiwar.com/malic/2010/09/24/after-empire/

 
 
Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-06 06:14:16

I think commodities are in a bubble due to the shady dealing of the fed.Money managers are looking for return anywhere also.So weak dollar and the search for return has these commodities going higher.Is there a shortage of oil?Is there a shortage of copper?I think two are in demand but not enough to justify the high prive moves imo.Have any of you bought copper water pipe or electrical wiring lately?At home depot it is 45.00 for 250′ of 14/2 wire.Copper pipe is just outrageous.Not sure why cement is so high either after the bust.At hd a 94 lb bag of cement is 8.15.

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Comment by exeter
2010-11-06 06:26:09

That’s what you get for buying junk at Blowz and TrashDepot. None of it meets spec and is twice the price of supply houses.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-11-06 07:01:45

Not sure why ??

My guess is production cut-backs…Kind of like just-in-time inventory…Another example of stagflation….

 
Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-06 07:07:34

There is a local supply house about 15 miles away but there prices are not much better.They are a little cheaper but if your in a rush sometimes you have to go to home depot.I go to home depot and just check prices on stuff sometimes.Sheetrock is usg at hd.They do have some quality products but just be careful what you buy.

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2010-11-07 00:08:33

“Not sure why cement is so high either after the bust.At hd a 94 lb bag of cement is 8.15.”

The primary contributor to cement cost is energy prices; both for manufacture and transportation. Demand for cement may be weak, but the demand for energy on the world stage is still high, and growing.

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-11-06 06:34:17

A zero inflation environment must be tough for a money manager who needs to generate a decent return so he can scoop off a bit of this return for himself. A zero inflation environment may mean the best move he could make for his clients would be to put them into cash and leave them there.

But then why should clients need a money manager to go to cash when the clients can do that for themselves?

So money managers are forced to chase prices in the hopes of generating a return for their clients.

Chasing prices is risky in that one MAY lose his client’s money and thus MAY end up losing his job. But this risk for him is worth taking if the alternative is not generating a return for his clients in which case the risk to himself goes from MAY lose his job to WILL lose his job.

It’s not as if the money he is risking is his own.

Comment by combotechie
2010-11-06 06:53:34

The company I work for used to have a fully funded pension plan, but not anymore. They are now underfunded because for the past several years they stopped putting money into it. They did this because they thought they were going to earn a return on their stored-up pension money of something just North of eight percent.

Oooops. These expected returns were not coming through.

They screwed up, but the joke will be on us. I fully expect money outlays for pensions to be cut.

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Comment by scdave
2010-11-06 07:12:37

Exactly combo….IMO, the biggest problem in our country is the overly generous, under funded public & private pensions particularly given the ever increasing life expectancy and relatively early age of many retiree’s…Without the 7-8% returns, these pension funds would just implode…

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-11-06 07:26:24

Dave, order the book “Plunder” by Steven
Greenhut. Meticulously researched, very
well written and easy to read, it will make you sick by the second chapter. An exposure of the unholy marriage between elected politicians and labor union leaders.

 
Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-06 07:30:45

We will be bailing out all the pension systems here soon.Just print some more money and hand them a check and move on.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-11-06 07:36:12

In fact I did order it Rancher after you mentioned it in a post here about a month or so ago…I have not dove into it yet maybe out of fear about how angry I will get reading it…

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 07:57:39

Propping up RE, the stock market, etc is an ongoing bailout of the pension funds. And probably the excuse the PTB will use to justify QE, ZIRP, and the like, to history.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-11-06 08:40:54

Hard for me to see how ZIRP is “helping” the pension funds.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 10:50:30

ZIRP is supporting RE prices, and pension funds are major owners of MBSs. ZIRP is also supporting stock prices, and I suspect pension funds own some stocks too.

 
Comment by rms
2010-11-06 10:50:36

“We will be bailing out all the pension systems here soon.”

Sure, but not at par.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-06 13:48:34

One time I got in serious trouble at a college I worked at. (well maybe more than once.) I got the pitch at orientation, blah blah blah, 8% return, you can retire blah blah blah.

Then I asked how long would it take me to retire at a -5% return, which is what the fund was actually returning.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-11-06 07:59:42

We will be bailing out all the pension systems here soon ??

I think we already have….I don’t think the Fed is trying to save housing I think its trying to save Wall street & the massive pension & bond funds that are connected to them…

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Comment by Rancher
2010-11-06 10:03:31

We have the winner! Ten gold stars and a
lollipop.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-06 11:17:13

Of course the bail outs were designed to prevent a greater
lawsuit of the crimes against pension funds and other deposits of
the Nation that thought they were getting investment grade AAA
paper back by real estate .How much did Banks/Investment houses repurchase of the junk ,than how much did the taxpayer repurchase the junk .

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-06 11:20:09

Of course the bail outs were designed to prevent a greater
lawsuit of the crimes against pension funds and other deposits of
the Nation that thought they were getting investment grade AAA
paper backed by real estate .How much did Banks/Investment houses repurchase of the junk ,than how much did the taxpayer repurchase the junk .

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-11-06 06:52:56

Blue:

I read years ago that Durban Deep DRD has millions maybe tens of millions of ounces of gold if it ever got to $1000 oz…imagine finding little flecks of gold in a ton of rock…

So now that we are here at almost $1400..how much new production will be on line in a year or two and prices come back to earth?

Silver if the reports are true about all the naked short selling then someone must be hurting real bad since silver shot up from $9…

It is interesting to watch the herd pile into commodities while the real demand for “stuff” is steadily eroding.

Comment by DennisN
2010-11-06 07:35:48

Much of the talk in the newpapers here in Idaho is about re-starting many of the gold and silver mines here due to the higher prices. “Silver Valley” up by Wallace has already yielded over a billion (with a B) oz. of silver and there’s more there when prices exceed the cost of extraction. Meanwhile there’s new gold found around Silver City in the southern part of the state.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/05/14/1192135/dallas-company-acquires-idaho.html

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/09/02/1325208/mining-company-finds-gold-near.html

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-06 09:41:34

I made a bet on Sterling a while back, but got cold feet before it collapsed.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-06 13:53:31

Silver is crazy, I sold a bit to buy a truck. I’m hoping my PM’s will buy a house in a couple years.

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-11-06 06:56:03

We allowed ourselves to invest and trust our futures to MSM manipulations and propaganda with corporate agendas, usless services and chinese junk, middlemen and crooks, bubbles and Wall and “k” Steet BS and we lost sight of our government and it’s true purpose and responsiblities.

Throw in a few unnecessary expensive and usless endless wars and invasions along with a contractors and mercenaries financial wet dream racket called the Dept of Homeland Security and we’ve really got a real problem Houston.

All of this while we allowed our workers to dismantle, crate and ship our equipment, manufacturing expertise and jobs offshore. Gutted and hollowed out is a good term for what has gone on in this great nation.

All of these events weren’t a bunch of unfortunate coincidences or a series of “blunders” like the Charge of the Six Hundred, it was well planned and you can bet your A$$ somebody is making great fortunes.

The divided people and the Corporate MSM should come together and re-name this once great country the United States of Lunatics because thats whats running this Clown Show.

Ooops…I smell …coffee

:)

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-06 07:14:04

Mikey ..+1000 …hard to even watch .

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Comment by mikey
2010-11-06 08:39:59

… and “all the world wondered”…

:)

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-06 08:45:52

All of these events weren’t a bunch of unfortunate coincidences

manipulations and propaganda with corporate agendas

Hey, that reminds me, eyes gots to go fill up my Jeep with some imported ingreedient based gasoline, then buy wholesome food that is Corporate grown with pig-tomato-slug DNA snipets, pesticides, chemical fertilizer & Federal subsidized citizen-tax money. ;-)

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Comment by Cassandra
2010-11-06 13:54:49

don’t forget the wine you owe me…

 
 
Comment by Exeter
2010-11-06 11:34:02

Hey Mikey…. all the thugs responsible for the offshoring of our equipment, expertise and knowledge? Well…. they’re the same ones calling your patriotism into question.

Orwellian or what?

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Comment by mikey
2010-11-06 14:57:54

Yeah….the right wing’s chairborne commandos always did seem slightly little dazed and confused between the intials CIB and the KGB.

:)

 
 
 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 08:26:33

If the world buys more of your widgets, your revenue and profits rise. You then have extra money. You can then afford to expand your factory.

If you do apply some of that new money to business expansion, and manufacture more widgets than you did before, the supply of widgets will not suffer.
If supply keeps up with the increase in demand, the price of widgets will not rise.

A shortage of widgets is what would cause prices to rise. There’s no reason to assume that will happen.

If, instead of expanding production to match the increase in demand, you blow your profits in Las Vegas, the supply of widgets WILL run low. The price WILL rise, and the world will stop buying them.

Comment by mikey
2010-11-06 09:29:24

IIRC, in early 2000, the Bush government lowered the interest rates proclaiming that this encourage banks, potential homeDebters, enterprenures, venture capitalists, and wiget business expansions to create jobs in the great ownership society.

Call me a little bit naive or kind of suspicious but I think that THEY ALL…took the money and RAN!!

:)

Comment by nickpapageorgio
2010-11-06 09:50:51

The President can lower interest rates?

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Comment by mikey
2010-11-06 12:01:28

“The President can lower interest rates?”

Hey, I have had lowly hard core US Army infantry captains to battallion commmanders perform miracles more often than jesus with the simple words…

“This incident NEVER happened, if anyone here EVER mentions it AGAIN, I WILL court martial you.”

Heck, I even had a US Army Chief of Staff personally thanked me for my part in an incident that “never happened”.

The President, a few words off the cuff from that guy and anything can happen…or not happen.

:)

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-11-06 13:27:35

I love the smell of Mikey in the morning….

Smells like…..Victory! :lol:

 
Comment by mikey
2010-11-06 16:00:24

Well look at what happened to that gang of Cubans building that long runway in Grenada, Manual Noriega of Panama and Saddam when they didn’t DO what these US Presidents wanted them to do . Our Prezes used to be fairly good friends with some of these guys.

Now this wasn’t done by the Prez personally but he’d sent in some of his little avenging angels armed with m-16’s and other handy dandy toys to shoot all of those damned places up just to get his point across.

If they’ll do THAT to some of their dearest old friends, just imagine what in the Hell they’d do to someone they really didn’t know and really disliked.

;)

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 11:18:37

I think i noticed a little bit of expansion in the last decade..

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Comment by oxide
2010-11-06 08:27:37

Without matching wage inflation, this is going to screw the American citizen (again). Our salaries would be the equivalent of a second-world country trying to buy American goods at the inflated price.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 08:54:13

When the world buys more stuff from us, our factories expand to meet that increase in product demand. Business needs to hire more people to fill the new jobs.

The demand for labor increased. Labor has become more valuable than it was. Wages rise.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-06 11:50:45

You’re assuming that other countries have open markets like we do.

They don’t.

They love to denounce “protectionism” but freely practice it themselves.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 12:20:38

I assumed nothing.. I only clarified what happens to wages when demand for a product rises in a typical situation.

If you want to talk about how trade wars or currency wars can pervert supply / demand, or how we may be heading towards such, fine.. but that’s a whole different subject.

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-11-06 13:43:54

From NPR - November 4, 2010

MICHELE NORRIS, host:

We were struck by an advertisement we saw today in The Washington Post. The full-page ad shows a sea of red cars and one lone blue car, along with this text: For every 52 cars Korea ships here, the U.S. can only export one there.

Ford paid for the ad, and it appears today in more than 20 newspapers. So we wondered what it’s all about. It turns out it relates to the Korean Free Trade Agreement.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 14:35:50

Various snippets from that interview..

NORRIS: Why did this ad run today? What message is Ford trying to send, beyond what’s there in the text?

Mr. NOLAND: Well, the big obstacle to passing the KORUS Free Trade Agreement here in the United States has been opposition in the Democratic caucus and the House of Representatives. As we all know, after the election this week, the Democratic caucus is a lot less influential…
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Is Ford or are other American auto companies at a disadvantage because of this free trade agreement?

Mr. NOLAND: No, actually not. Historically, the Korean market has been inhospitable to foreign producers. There’s no question about that. Though considerable liberalization has occurred…

The other thing is is that GM, the largest American car manufacturer, actually owns a Korean car company, Daewoo. So it doesn’t ship cars from the United States to Korea. It simply manufactures them and sells them in Korea. So when Ford points to its inability to literally export cars from here to Korea, this is really more of a Ford issue than an American automobile sector issue.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131075653
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The Republic of Korea-United States Free Trade Agreement (also known as KORUS FTA) is a trade agreement between the United States and the Republic of Korea….

The agreement followed ten months of bargaining, and will immediately lift some 85% of each nation’s tariffs on industrial goods, and also create new protections for multinational financial services and other firms.
wikipedia

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-11-06 16:57:55

It simply manufactures them and sells them in Korea.

Having an arrangement that forces us to move the jobs overseas isn’t exactly free trade.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 23:07:41

Korea.. as if we lack the power to crush it’s economy without even trying.

The economic king of the world has compassion.. shows restraint… selflessly encourages foreign growth.. doesn’t take advantage of weaknesses.. teaches by example.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-11-06 08:37:59

You assume that the domestic price is equal to what the price is when it’s exported. This might not be the case. It’s why they invented DVD region codes, and Americans try to buy drugs from Canada.

 
 
 
Comment by Realtor
2010-11-06 06:12:25

Get what you can get for your house today… because it’s going to be much much tomorrow… for many many years to come.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-06 07:09:40

Is it doomsday?Should I just give the house away?

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-11-06 07:24:22

If it’s going to be much more tomorrow, why should I sell it today?

Typo? Or are you saying inflation is just around the corner?

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 07:21:08

because it’s going to be much much tomorrow… for many many years to come.

Oh dear god, say it ain’t so. Say it won’t be ‘much, much tomorrow’. It’s just too much!

 
Comment by realtor
2010-11-06 07:31:50

My sincerest apologies. Allow me to correct my own citation.

Get what you can get for your house today… because it’s going to be much much less tomorrow… for many many years to come.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-11-06 07:40:47

Right on…. sock it to my wallet….I have no need to buy….i will sit on the fence…….the only reason to buy is if you intend to die in the house and I aint a close 2 dat yet…

Life is for the free and homeowner-less,

so how R U gonna make a livin realtorr?

Comment by scdave
2010-11-06 08:01:38

so how R U gonna make a livin realtorr?

He/she is going to buy a rental unit :)

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Comment by Realtor
2010-11-06 14:19:40

I’m just here to remind you all that prices are still falling. And if any of my colleagues tell you that prices are stabilizing or going up, they’re lying. And most of them are saying prices are stabilizing.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-11-06 08:29:40

Maybe our Realtor is one of the few that recognizes that they make a comission on buying AND selling? Maybe he’s looking to act as a seller’s agent. I commend his intelligence, but I think he’s on the wrong blog. You need to find an FB blog, not a smart-money blog.

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Comment by Georgiagirl
2010-11-06 11:30:48

This is a housing bubble blog.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 06:46:31

First class-action lawsuit against the banksters is filed, alleging civil racketeering. Got popcorn?

Bizlexdotcom
Foreclosure Fallout
by Susan Baniak

In September, a civil-racketeering class action was filed in Louisville by Kentucky homeowners against GMAC Mortgage, Deutsche Bank National Trust Company, Citimortgage and others, alleging that they conspired with Mortgage Electronic Registry Systems Inc., or MERS, to wrongly foreclose on homes. The lawsuit holds that MERS, an electronic registry service created as a means to track the ownership of mortgage loans, did not hold title to any of the properties in question, and therefore did not have the right to initiate foreclosure proceedings.

Among other allegations, the 124-page class action complaint, the first of its kind to be filed in the country, takes issue with the conversion of mortgage loans into collateral for mortgage-backed securities (MBS) without the knowledge of the homeowners. The lawsuit argues that failure to disclose this information should make the mortgage contracts voidable under Kentucky contract law.

“As an attorney, I would make the argument that securitization is illegal, as the homeowner has agreed to pledge their home by signing a mortgage enforcing a negotiable instrument, not as a pledge for the collateral of a MBS,” said Heather Boone McKeever Haffey, the Lexington attorney representing the Kentucky homeowners in the class action, by e-mail. “Most times, the home had been pledged to a MBS and made part of the Investor Sales Prospectus before the homeowner ever made it to the closing table.”

The lawsuit also calls into question the legitimacy of REMICs, or real estate mortgage investment conduits, federally regulated securities used as “pass-through” vehicles by corporations and trusts in the pooling of mortgage loans. If the courts and the IRS were to agree, such entities could potentially lose their status as tax-exempt entities and wind up on the hook retroactively for federal and state income taxes. MERS and other entities along the hidden chain of title that did not file the proper documentation during the process could owe considerable county clerks’ mortgage recording fees as well.

The potential back taxes could amount to billions, according to McKeever Haffey.

“Avoiding and breaking mortgage recording laws was one of the goals of MERS,” McKeever Haffey said. “The recoupment of the county clerks’ recording fees alone could get Kentucky out of debt.”

Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-06 07:13:20

silly season.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 07:33:36

Silly season just ended. Now it’s time for the winter of the banksters’ discontent, unless the results of silly season once again raise the banksters above the rule of law. But that’s a lot harder to do when everyone isn’t distracted by how much their houses have appreciated in the last year, but are instead broke, unemployed and angry.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-06 07:33:29

In regards to the Class lawsuit above ,it stands to reason that acts were
done to increase profit that end up being in violation of due process of
real estate laws and liens .This idea that secured debt ,with the right of foreclosure, could be handled like unsecured debt is coming back to
haunt the Industry .If all these transactions are voidable ,as I have suspected all along ,the Judicial system has a problem .My guess is that
somethings will be done that allows for these questionable transfers of
liens to be held based on the intent of the law is for a party to get paid .

Retroactive law will be applied because this is to big for the Judicial
system . Crimes can be to big for Justice . For that matter all loans
could be deems voidable because it was a Ponzi -scheme/fraud lending whereby securities were misrepresented . Impossible situation in that
to many crimes have been committed .

Comment by DennisN
2010-11-06 07:53:06

Recall that “retroactive” criminal laws are unconstitutional. However there is not the same limitation for civil actions.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-06 08:32:37

Dennis ,they won’t call it crime ,they will call it error .

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Comment by Kim
2010-11-06 08:04:51

Its ugly, that’s for sure. Banks should be made to follow due process and proper court procedures as far as filing foreclosures goes. But near as I can tell, there is and was no law on the books stating that a debtowner had to be informed when their mortgage got securitized.

Quite frankly, the folks signing on the dotted lines from 2003-2007 were so hot-to-trot to own property, that even if they were informed in writing their mortgage was definitely going to MERS and would be securitized, all of them would have signed anyway. After all, “real estate only goes up!”.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 08:31:30

Yeah, that seems the weaker side of the case to me, but I’m no expert on contract law. I think the stronger side is the charge that they conspired to avoid performing proper documentation of the transactions and to avoid paying the related fees. That one is hard to dispute.

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Comment by In Montana
2010-11-06 08:06:11

I think they were trying to make real prop like secured (personal) property transactions eg autos…online database but no physical recording of assignments.

 
Comment by denquiry
2010-11-06 08:16:19

YEA! Repoing houses is a lot different than repoing cars. DOHH!!!!
***Homer S.***

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 08:02:21

It’s going to be amusing to watch some of these two-teeth-maximum juries in places like East Asshole, Alabama, award huge punitive damages to local “victims” of the New Yawk banks’ predatory and fraudulent lending practices, even when the gomers and their realtors were complicit with the fraud.

Comment by denquiry
2010-11-06 08:18:53

Spreadin the wealth southern style. Payback for them damn yankees.

Comment by roger
2010-11-06 09:43:41

Frankly my dear~ I don’t give a dam!

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 16:23:30

It should worry you that so many average citizens have become so cynical and disillusioned with our system of laws and justice that they misuse those for their own ends. And look at the Simi Valley cops who stood with arms folded and did nothing while a deadbeat FB family of nine “took back” their foreclosed house by breaking in and squatting there.

The lack of respect for the rule of law is spreading, as so many people see wrongdoers “getting over” rather than being held accountable and punished. Look at these SEC settlements with Wall Street swindlers who steal hundreds of millions, then settle their cases for fines of a few tens of millions, with never a day in a jail cell. Or politicians like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank who were instrumental in arranging the massive fraud in the MBS debacle, but who are rewarded with lead roles in crafting “financial reform.”

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-11-06 18:29:44

Corruption is a cancer, and leads to a slow decline of a society.

I was reading an Economist article on Afghanistan. One of the Afghans quoted said his main problem was the corruption of the Afghan authorities. Which made it hard for them to deal with the authorities fairly and trust them.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 18:53:44

Couldn’t agree more.

Great handle, by the way.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-06 09:05:28

some of these two-teeth-maximum juries

Someday they’ll be able to get a per tooth dental loan from some of them New Yawk banks to rectify this problem.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-11-06 08:24:31

Wow, they shot for the moon on this one. I can see how they could have a case against MERS. After all, MERS doesn’t own the FB’s house, all MERS did was to write down that the little village in Norway owns the FB’s house. Didn’t one of the HBB posters say that MERS was set up as an underground no-fee shadow land-title system? As for MBS themselves being illegal, or need to notify the homeowner… good luck.

And let’s say that the mortgages were declared voidable contracts. Who owns the house now? The original seller? I guess the FB would have to renegotiate a new mortgage with the bank again, at current market price… oops … oh look, another backdoor cramdown?

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 08:45:10

yup..

according to this lawyer, I can lend you money, but I can’t sell the note.
It looks like she’s banking on a settlement.. pun intended.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-11-06 08:53:19

If there is fraud involved with a contract the Contract is often times
voidable by the Courts because you can’t have something that isn’t legal to begin with . If there was fraud with a loan for instance it’s voidable .
A insurance Company can deny a claim based on fraud discovered .

Now you have a situation were borrowers who committed fraud in the loan process want to get the property for free for instance based on the notion that because there was a transfer of lien snag they are a harmed party . How many “clean hands” are in any of these
transactions/contracts ?

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Comment by Exeter
2010-11-06 09:37:28

Stepping back and looking at this drama, it looks like the S&L scandal. Same lies, same accusations, same people getting screwed.

Lame.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 16:36:12

I’ve often said there are many parallels with the S&L disaster.

Which is why “no one could have foreseen” is an outright lie.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by skroodle
2010-11-06 07:13:23
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-11-06 07:27:03

“And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I’m gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust.”

Comment by scdave
2010-11-06 07:46:41

Other than a occasional peek at the sports page, none of my three children read the paper or news print…When I was their age, I was a veracious reader of the news papers…Internet and the world wide web…Will there be “any” news on paper 10-20 years from now ?? I suspect not…

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-11-06 08:02:55

Dave:

It will be specialty papers for target audiences. I picked up the Village voice and its less then 1/2 maybe 1/3 the size of a few years back.

Very few Articles and blogs and little classifieds except for all the porn massages….but what it has is hundreds of ads for nightlife I never saw so many new things to do….

So this will survive for years and I’ll bet most other cities will too.

http://www.villagevoice.com/

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 08:16:14

I will cancel my subscriptions to the Economist and the New Yorker if they ever go to a digital format.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-06 09:08:25

Peanuts,… R.I.P. ;-)

Lucy: “Hwy, you’re such a BLOCKHEAD!”

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 16:39:27

US News and World Report was doomed when they became a one theme per issue format, instead of the variety they used to do.

They also took a hard right lean over the years, whereas I used to be able to count on them being neutral.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-11-06 07:36:52

‘Government-controlled mortgage buyer Fannie Mae is asking for $2.5 billion in additional federal aid…Fannie’s chief executive said the latest results reflect ongoing efforts to contain losses from the high-risk mortgages it bought from 2005 to 2008…The two mortgage giants have been hit by massive losses on risky mortgages purchased from 2005 through 2008. The companies have tightened their lending standards after those loans started to go bad, and default rates on new loans are far lower.’

‘The housing market, however, remains a huge challenge. High unemployment, tepid economic growth, tight credit and uncertainty about home prices have kept people from buying.’

This is from an AP story. As important as what is happening here is, I find it baffling that we are getting such a twisted view of past present and future. Like this:

‘high-risk mortgages it bought from 2005 to 2008…The two mortgage giants have been hit by massive losses on risky mortgages purchased from 2005 through 2008′

So it was the high risk mortgages that caused all this, not the insane spike in prices, or the speculation, etc? If this is so, why were these giant corporations unable to file financials in 2005? And what about the plain-jane prime loans that now default at rates like subprime?

‘High unemployment, tepid economic growth, tight credit and uncertainty about home prices have kept people from buying’

That’s a long way around the bush. How about ‘people still can’t afford houses’? I suppose if they go there, the next question is, why? And then you get into govt/Federal Reserve efforts to ‘prop up’ prices’.

This game has really blown up in DCs face, and that was inevitable I guess. But we still have some big decisions to make about the GSEs and the how to fix the economy, and reporting like this from the AP isn’t making the situation clearer.

Comment by mikey
2010-11-06 08:53:26

” I suppose if they go there, the next question is, why? ”

Sheesh Ben, 1st you pop the housing bubble and now you want to pop the eCONomy with the WHYS…

Don’t go there Ben, please don’t go there !!

;)

I love it

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-06 09:39:01

They have succeeded in containing the losses to the taxpayers.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 10:50:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE&feature=related

B…b…but back in 2005/2006 Barney “Fannie Mae Bitch” Frank repeatedly assured us that dodgy home loans underwritten by taxpayers were the good and right thing for all of us.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 16:48:50

There is so much spin and deliberate obfuscation going on that it will never get properly sorted out.

And of course, it’s to cover Wall St’s hiney.

A good example is the recent federal deficit report. I saw almost every single news agency change the story over night from one of emphasizing it was less than last year, to trivializing that point and instead, emphasize how high it was.

Or the news that the repubs had voted to continue giving tax breaks for offshoring jobs that was reported only by foreign news services.

So the spin and lies will continue. And that’s why we’re effed.

Comment by neuromance
2010-11-06 18:33:08

This country should not let itself be held hostage to bad debt again.

Debt is an alluring drug to a lot of the population though. I think it masked the decline in standard of living that has been going on for the past 30 years.

Instead of lenders and borrowers, I think the terms “dealers and users” would be more apropos.

 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-11-06 07:51:33

REHobbyist or anyone else “in the know” -

Real estate agents are obligated to present all offers to clients. However, is the caveat that they only have to present offers that are in writing, i.e. use their standard purchase offer form?

If the buyers agent passes along an offer either verbally or via email, is the listing agent still obligated to pass it along to their clients?

Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-06 08:00:04

They are obligated to present all offers but we all know how the industry works.If they dont like an offer it goes in the shredder.What are you going to do about it?If you are working with a buyers agent they arent going to want to approach the seller directly because it goes against industry standards.You could approach the seller yourself and see what happens.You are opening up a can of worms.If someone doesnt want to present your offer than move on to the next house unless you have time to fight the system.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 08:20:06

The whole idea of a “buyer’s agent” is a joke. Both buyer’s and seller’s agents have the same vested interest: to sell the house for as high as the market will bear. That is diametrically opposed to the buyer’s interests,which is to get the best deal possible.

I’d rather deal solely with the seller’s agent, who in most cases will gladly throw their “client” under the bus if it means getting a full six percent on a reduced selling price.

Comment by combotechie
2010-11-06 08:56:25

I once had a used card dealer offer himself up to me to become my agent and was going to represent my interests in going against the car lot’s sales manager.

Lol. All I had to do was make an offer on a car and he would take my offer to the sales manager and he would fight over my offer with the sales manager on my behalf.

My new best friend. Lol.

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Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2010-11-06 11:17:50

Sammy

This is something I’ve been saying around here for years. If you want to get the best price for a house, read a couple of books about buying a house so you know what the negotiable terms are - then use the sellers agent.

I’ve done this twice and it really works. The agent will do almost anything to get the full 6%.

Actually, fun to watch.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 12:41:57

Testify, Brothah!

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-11-06 09:07:52

‘They are obligated to present all offers but we all know how the industry works.If they dont like an offer it goes in the shredder.What are you going to do about it”

When I was looking for a house and making low ball offers, I wrote in the offer contract that I wanted any rejection dated, noted and signed by the Sellers on the State of Wisconsin Department of Regulation and Licensing Residential Offer to Purchase and returned to me by the Sellers agent.

It worked for me.

:)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-06 09:19:28

Mighty mikey swings the bat,……..it’ssssssssssssoutttttttttttttttttttttttaaaaaaaa herrrrrrrrre!

:-)

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Comment by Kim
2010-11-06 09:29:08

Illinois has a similar form, at the end of the purchase offer.

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Comment by CrackerJim
2010-11-07 07:42:53

What law would require the Seller to respond to your offer with a signature if they do not want to accept it? They could just shred the offer, could they not?

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Comment by TCM_guy
2010-11-06 08:10:07

If (in theory) lower interest rates gets people to spend more money, then how about the credit card banks start giving their best customers these interest rates?

margin-rates

(Dang, these rates are lower than my negotiated rates at TDAmeritrade.)

If a bank ever gave me these low interest rates on a credit card, and if I had enough confidence in the bank that they are not teasing me, then I might consider borrowing on a credit card.

But - I do not have this confidence in any bankster, and I doubt that I ever will in my lifetime. The only thing these fraudsters understand is the fine science of luring the hapless into their heroin dens.

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Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-06 08:38:16

The low rates are not being passed to consumers.the banks are taking advantage of the deperate cash strapped consumer.The fed is trying to get rates lower but banks are too greedy to pass on the savings to there customers.

I wish we could borrow directly from the fed.

Has anyone ever tried to borrow US dollars in another country?Is it any cheaper to borrow elsewhere right now?

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-11-06 09:28:15

Look up US Dollar denominated LIBOR rates. LIBOR is an acronym for London Inter Bank Offered Rate.

You may have heard of the “TED spread”. TED comes from Treasury-Eurodollar.

 
Comment by TCM_guy
2010-11-06 10:17:15

TCM

My subsequent post with a discount broker’s margin rates is in no-mans-land.

Here are the published rates at their web site:

$0 - $49,999 2.00% + 1.75% (3.75%)
$50,000 - $99,999 2.00% + 1.00% (3.00%)
$100,000 - $249,999 2.00% + 0.50% (2.50%)
$250,000 - $499,999 2.00% (2.00%)
$500,000 - $999,999 2.00% - 0.50% (1.50%)
$1,000,000 + 2.00% - 0.75% (1.25%)
Base Rate Equals Broker Call Rate, as of Dec 16th 2008.

Evidently, it is possible to offer these non-teasing low borrowing rates, as long as your outfit does not have very expensive advertising or management.

 
 
Comment by TCM_guy
2010-11-06 08:54:17

TCM

http://tinyurl.com/margin-rates

(I hope I am not double-posting)

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 08:13:43

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/8114327/Let-them-eat-cheese-Irish-government-hands-out-block-of-cheddar-to-every-family.html

The lower-income 20% in this country are going to be especially hard hit as Bernanke’s destruction of the dollar spur steep increases in the price of food and fuel. Not to worry; we can follow Ireland’s example of using taxpayer funds to bail out the banksters while handing out that guv’mint cheese to keep the peasants from reaching for their pitchforks & torches.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-06 08:33:42

Should I start stockpiling gas?I have a 1000 gallon tank I might have to fill.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 09:08:55

Municipalities and insurance companies don’t like people storing more than a couple of gallons of gasoline.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 10:28:06

My siphon hose & I may have to start visiting more realtor Escalades at open houses.

Comment by DennisN
2010-11-06 12:43:16

You mean your “Oklahoma credit card”? :lol:

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Comment by JackRussell
2010-11-06 13:25:23

When the prices were high a few years ago, there were gangs going into the U-Haul lots to drain the tanks of the larger trucks.

I suppose the thinking is that if you are going to break the law, you might as well be able to steal enough gas to make it worth your while. A 15 gallon tank that might only be half-full just isn’t going to cut it.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 15:59:30

With platinum over $1700 an oz, a lot of SUV owners are going to be waking up to discover their catalytic converters were hacksawed off while they slept.

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-11-06 11:25:28

My Dad had an above ground 250 gallon gasoline tank at his lakeshore shack near the hourse barn. He put it up during building of the house and then we had a tornado and a ton of trees down. Naturally it was meant for his work truck, chainsaws, lawn mowers, boats and such. All of us kids with our buddies and or better halves were over there helping out with the work whenever we could.

One frosty Saturday morning when we were all present, he announced that he would like us all to turn in our unauthorized copies of the gas tank lock after a visit from the fuel man. My brother and I didn’t actually possess a key and naturally pushed we our little sister up front as the ringleader of the gas tank mafia.( she held the key, she was expendable in these situations plus she was golden and he never got mad at her)

Hey, it wasn’t like he was paying us anything for all that work and it was 30 mile round trip for a Saturday Night on the town from their place and well all drove different cars.

Hey, got kids or key control !?!

:)

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-11-06 09:06:04

cheese + potatos = racqlette!!!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-06 09:24:37

File under: “Mission nearly accomplished”: ;-)

Homes = Wall St. manipulation/extraction scheme (Large $ denominations)

Oil/Energy = Wall St. manipulation/extraction scheme (small $ denominations)

Coming Soon:

Food = Wall St. manipulation/extraction scheme (small $ denominations)

Comment by nickpapageorgio
2010-11-06 12:37:47

You know, the majority of wall street types are of the progressive persuasion.

Comment by In Montana
2010-11-06 15:07:18

Conservative is declassé.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 18:57:58

I find that hard to believe. Progressives, despite their rose tinted glasses, tend to at least pay lip service to the public interest and the general welfare. Wall Street types are complete sociopaths, judging by their actions.

Fiscal and social conservatives like me are political orphans. The GOP has comprehensively betrayed us, and the DNC is the antithesis of all that we hold dear.

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Comment by nickpapageorgio
2010-11-06 22:07:11

Some progressives need to accumulate money and power first, then they go about using said money and power to influence policy. The ends justify the means. George Soros and Michael Bloomberg come to mind.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-11-06 08:18:15

Real estate agents are obligated to present all offers ?

offer either verbally or via email, is the listing agent still obligated to pass it along to their clients ?

They are obligated to present all offers ??

I believe a offer would need to be in writing for a agent to have a obligation to present it to his client although that “offer” could come in a non-binding and informal form…One that I have seen and have used is a “Letter-of-Intent”…It is used quite often in the commercial side of real estate transactions…

As far as presenting “all” offers, this is often mis-understood..There is no obligation on the part of a attorney or a Realtor to present a “Patently Frivolous” offer…A patently frivolous offer can be up to interpretation but the common sense approach is normally taken in that, you know it when you see it…

 
Comment by measton
2010-11-06 08:31:44

BERLIN – Germany’s finance minister is arguing that the Federal Reserve’s move to pump money into the financial system increases uncertainty in the global economy and undermines the credibility of the U.S., according to an interview published Saturday.

“It doesn’t fit together if the Americans accuse the Chinese of exchange rate manipulation and then artificially push the dollar rate lower with the help of their bill printer,” Schaeuble was quoted as saying.

Germany’s strong recovery this year was led by exports, but Schaeuble argued that his country’s surpluses aren’t one of the “many reasons” for America’s problems.

The U.S. “lived too long on tick, excessively inflated its financial sector and neglected its medium-sized industrial business,” he argued.

BINGO.
Is BB listening?

Comment by denquiry
2010-11-06 09:24:23

If our guvment had any balls they would declare the Fed Reserve to be an enemy of the state and throw their azzes in the slammer. The Fed Reserve is nothing but a bunch of foreign c*cks*ckers that want to bring the USA down.

 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2010-11-06 09:51:03

“Is BB listening?”

NO!

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 10:31:30

The Germans and Chinese can squawk all they want. The Tea Party too, for that matter. Their protests fall on deaf ears. BB knows what he’s doing: the Zimbabwe solution to unpayable government & bankster debts and obligations.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-06 15:15:48

The days of the Fed/Treasury “strong dollar policy” seem numbered.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 16:59:17

13 carrier task groups and 5000 nuclear weapons or not, if the world gets sick of our crap, we’re in big trouble.

 
 
Comment by AztoORtoCOtoOR
2010-11-06 08:59:30

AztoORtoCOtoOR is catching himself a falling knife in OR!! Read about it in the obituary section of the HBB..

Most of you know my story, but I will recap (briefly) for those that don’t. I bought a Beazer home in Chandler, AZ in 2004 for $440,000. In July of 2005, a similiar model home sold for $910,000. I put mine on the market in Oct. 2005 for $899,000 and it finally sold in May 2006 for 705,000 after just about having it sold for $850,000 in Feb. 2006. I put over $100,000 down of my own money - I had no idea that you could buy things with nothing down at the time. This house was not purchased with the intent of flipping it.

I have now been renting in Hillsboro, OR for over 4 years. The first two years were awesome as I could get over 4% on my savings account which paid more than I was paying in rent. That all changed when the rates dropped to less then 1% and my rent increased to $1625 (from an earlier $1500).

I am now going to purchase my falling knife (er used house) with the expectation that it will really torpedo the neighborhood I am buying into. The house I am purchasing sold in 2006 for $505,000 with equivalent houses selling for $525,000 and the upgraded model selling for $585,000 in 2007. The price I am paying is $365,000 (listing price is $392,000) and it is a Fanny/Freddie house. They are paying 3% toward closing costs. There are no other houses for sale in the neighborhood I am buying into, but I expect that to change and will be wincing when i see them selling for less thanks to my purchase. The last house in the neighborhood sold in May 2010 for $440,000 which was about 500 sq. ft smaller.

I could pay cash for the house, but have chosen to take out a mortgage. I will finance $210,000 and will be paying ~2.5% on the loan on a 5/1 ARM. My payment will be ~1400 a month for PITI.

I will still have the equivalent cash in the bank that will be earning 1.35%. so my net paying of interest to the bank will be about 1.15%.

If, and a big if, interest rates ever go up, then maybe I can have a period of time where my cash in the bank could make more interest than what I am paying on the mortgage. I expect the housing to continue to fall, but with kids in high school and junior high and grade school, we are finding it very hard to move out of the area and plan to be around for a while.

I was pursuing homes down in Arizona, but everything we looked at down there and made cash offers on have been selling for more than what I am willing to pay. We tend to like the climate of OR better than AZ for our kids. They can go outside and stay during summer break. I really like AZ for different reasons and hope to be a snowbird when I am done working in 20 years.

I didn’t use a UHS to buy the house, I just dealt with the one who had the listing. We have been working with him for the past couple of years on other bank owned properties and the one thing he did for us was take the lowball offers to the bank and he didn’t hound us in between.

I fully expect the prices to keep falling, but I admit, my patience has run out. I have been in cramped quarters for the past 4 years and it has finally gotten to the point of being sick of it. Oh, did I mention the house comes with a two year home warranty.

Now that I am going to stay in Oregon, I am off to look for a Prius to replace my SUV. (Sarcasm intended)

Comment by rms
2010-11-06 11:10:37

The metro Portland area is a tough market to find a job unless you are highly skilled and real lucky. Think downward pressure on wages.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 11:32:14

What’s the square footage of your new house?

Comment by AztoORtoCOtoOR
2010-11-06 11:44:13

3500 sq. ft. very small lot but it has a 3 car garage - which has been difficult to find in the area I want to live in a newer home. without paying 700K.

For everything that I hate about western Oregon and the liberal mindset here, it sure is hard to leave the place when the sun is shining.

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-11-06 09:55:30

It’s being reported that the credit score agencies are reworking their scoring system, because erstwhile creditworthy individuals are increasingly just walking away from underwater houses.

In late October, both Fair Isaac Corp., developer of the FICO score, which dominates the mortgage field, and VantageScore Solutions, a joint venture by the three national credit bureaus and marketer of the competing VantageScore, outlined modifications they were making to handle the vast credit disruptions caused by the housing bust, the recession, high unemployment and behavioral changes by consumers.

Overall, credit industry experts agree, consumer creditworthiness has deteriorated in the U.S. since 2006 — especially among what used to be considered the credit elite, people with the highest scores. For example, a study this year by VantageScore found that the probability of serious delinquency — defined as nonpayment for 90 days or more — had increased 417% among “super-prime” borrowers between June 2007 and June 2009.

http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-harney-20101107,0,6342122.story

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-11-06 15:50:10

Translation: banks want to charge higher interest.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 17:03:39

I think this trend was posted here earlier this year. Some article about how the wealthy had taken the lead in house defaults and foreclosures.

 
 
Comment by norcaltenant
2010-11-06 10:23:05

Zillow now has this kind of data; Dropping it 10% more at each price point probably wou;d have sold the house, now they are just riding the curve down back to 80K.

10/31/2010 Price change * $189,000
09/20/2010 Listed for sale * $205,000
09/18/2010 Listed for sale * $205,000
01/15/2010 Listing removed * $223,900
06/23/2009 Price change * $223,900
03/11/2009 Price change * $224,900
02/16/2009 Listed for sale * $229,900
02/06/2009 Listing removed * $237,500
01/30/2009 Price change * $237,500
01/18/2009 Price change * $248,500
11/05/2008 Price change * $249,995
09/26/2008 Price change * $269,995
08/20/2008 Price change * $279,995
08/02/2008 Listed for sale * $289,995
07/02/1999 Sold $80,000

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-06 15:17:54

Looks like a Dutch auction, without the auction…

 
 
Comment by rms
2010-11-06 10:34:40

I went to visit a friend in Discovery Bay, CA. Someone they knew was having a BBQ, so off we went. Wow, lots of silicone—sure is fun to window shop the eye candy. The chatter shifted from sports to jobs to cheap vacation places to debt default. No one there, it seems, has been paying their mortgage due to being so far upside down, and the strategy now appears to be to get through your seven years of credit purgatory before everyone else so that you can get in on the next deal, first. A couple indicated they were renting a house in default from friends for a pittance; some had several places in default. Another remarked that one of their credit cards was refused at lunch, ha ha, f*** ‘em, they ain’t get’in their $18k back, ha ha ha! One of the fake blondes smiled approvingly. My thought shuddered—is the country beyond the point of no return? Another guest said that youth gangs have moved into the area stealing anything not locked up tight. My impression ten years ago of faux wealth around here was right. I feel sorry for anyone who moved here to retire, and paid their bills in full. Next stop, San Luis Obispo, CA.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 10:59:46

Discovery Bay destroyed by price discovery. At least they’re silicone-boobed-up. They can’t take that away from you.

Comment by rms
2010-11-06 11:18:41

Lots of peeps there relied on bonuses and commissions, which are non-existent today. My engineering degree never yielded any bonuses or stock options, but my income has been steady and honest.

 
Comment by rms
2010-11-06 11:27:37

There are lots of teenagers there too, and they learn by example. Really sad, IMHO. This isn’t going to end for some time.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 11:38:49

Teens are pretty resilient, and I bet they’ve learned a lot of life lessons watching their parents screw up in this bubble era. Remember, the whole West Coast skateboard culture (along with some great music) was created by teens skating in the empty swimming pools of a previous RE bust.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-06 11:58:36

” Another remarked that one of their credit cards was refused at lunch, ha ha, f*** ‘em, they ain’t get’in their $18k back, ha ha ha!”

Hmmm… interesting … I’ve never met anyine who brags about this, not even people who have filed chapter 7.

I guess it is different in California.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 12:49:27

The “I got over” gloating mentality seems to be setting in nation-wide. Gaming the system has become the national sport. The dwindling number who view themselves as honorable citizens of the Republic are scorned and penalized by their morally bankrupt peers, and by the policies pursued by both the Bush & Obama Administrations.

Comment by rms
2010-11-06 13:32:56

My thought was that this was someone who has been unemployed longterm.

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Comment by rms
2010-11-06 12:55:53

Yeah, it’s clearly a sociopathic trait, IMHO. I imagine this is the personality of a cold caller looking to swindle the elderly of their savings. California is likely home to more of these individuals than we’d care to recognize.

Graffiti is something I don’t understand either. I did lots of stupid things in my youth, but I have to admit that I never experienced an urge to spray paint anything. Not sure how this got started.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 16:01:38

In Singapore they cane vandals, grafetti “artists”, and drug dealers. You can walk or park your car most places day or night in perfect safely.

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Comment by measton
2010-11-06 11:22:29

Republican Governors Association Chairman Haley Barbour pledged Sunday that if Republicans take power and are not able to fully repeal the health care law passed by Democrats, they will at least change enough of it to make it no longer recognizable.

My guess is they roll back the requirements on insurance companies to insure everyone, but for some reason they won’t be able to roll back the requirement that everyone buy insurance.

Comment by Exeter
2010-11-06 11:29:24

You’re probably right. More for the insurance thugs, less for ratepayers.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 11:53:16

The catch-22 is that the individual requirements that they might try to change or roll back will prove to be rather popular. It’s the overall, vague ‘gov involvement/socialism’ that people have been taught to revile. Once the requirements are separated out, most people, left and right, will find they agree with them, and don’t want them changed.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 11:58:43

The roll back of the requirement that everyone get health insurance, which would be most popular with their voters, is the requirement that their true sponsors (the health care industry) like the most.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-11-06 12:16:45

I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the health care bill was left in-tact, but they gut the 1099 stuff and the other junk thrown in.

 
Comment by Eddie
2010-11-06 13:14:43

What would be sensible is get rid of the mandate and the part that forces insurance companies to accept everyone. But add in that anyone denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition gets to enroll into the govt employee plan at the same rate as if he/she were a govt employee.

Everyone’s a winner this way. Insurance companies can decide who to accept and who to deny based on risk, nobody is forced to buy insurance, and those with illnesses can still get insurance.

And it woudln’t cost $1T either.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-11-06 16:55:13

Interesting idea. Those who can’t afford insurance (public or private) would still be out of luck. Cobra is prohibitively expensive in a lot of cases.

I think it makes sense to cover all children. Most of them are healthy and need very little care, but it would be good to catch simple things before they become lifelong problems. For example, ear infections are easy and inexpensive to treat, but left untreated can cause hearing loss and impairment of language acquisition. Families just above the poverty line would not have to worry about taking their children to the doctor.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 16:06:07

Haley Barbour and the entire Establishment GOP have one agenda: to keep their corporate contributions and payolla rolling in. That means, by definition, facilitating the ease with which their corporatist masters practice predatory capitalism against the disappearing middle and working classes.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 17:07:44

“My guess is they roll back the requirements on insurance companies to insure everyone, but for some reason they won’t be able to roll back the requirement that everyone buy insurance.”

You can bank on it.

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-11-06 12:02:56

I will be “Bill in Florida” in early December. had a phone interview on Wednesday and the client accepted my job shop’s bid Friday. Overtime ranges from five to twenty hour per week. I think it is long term, but will find out. Will go for furnished apartment with all amenities.

The Los Angeles client is basically saying they don’t want my job shop. The official word is “just want to reduce paperwork.” But client told me they know what the shops charge. Client wants me to go to another shop, but does not know I am probably the highest paid consultant. Client thinks I would have no problem going to the favored job shop subcontractors. Client likes me because I am a quick problem solver and I have expertise on several product lines.

Would prefer to stay in LA, but the client is urging me to take a huge pay cut. The Florida gig pays 92% of my current hourly rate, but housing is much better and cheaper than L.A.

Will be fun to go to Margaritaville, which is any good Florida beach bar and hang out with attractive Florida gals, sorta younger than me.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-06 12:09:40

Where in Florida?

Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-11-06 12:26:55

Tampa Bay

Comment by exeter
2010-11-06 15:22:08

There’s plenty of men in Tampa Bill…. you’ll feel right at home. ;)

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 16:10:09

Seriously - with CENTCOM headquarters at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, that’s a total sausage fest for ya, Bill.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-11-06 12:33:57

No income tax in FL, right?

Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2010-11-06 12:40:18

Correct, but I will be taxed by Arizona on that income anyway. I will still be an Arizona resident. Arizona law. No biggie, my Arizoza municipal bond Fund income will make up for the Arizona tax! I look forward to that.

 
 
Comment by Go East
2010-11-06 15:50:16

Great move Bill, Florida has much nicer beaches, especially on the Gulf.

 
 
Comment by Exeter
2010-11-06 12:07:20

My Shanty Saga–

I’ll try to keep this short and focused. Mid October we made a 50% offer shanty. We had no idea that the owner filed bankruptcy until we got a call from the realtard after we went through the place but before we wrote an offer on it.

Anyways, the owner had all his debts discharged by a judge yet the owner accepted our 50% offer. Now his name is still on the deed and the house *isn’t* in foreclosure and it is marketed by a realtard for the deeded owner. We got the endorsed contract offer yesterday afternoon. Now this is precisely what I wanted in my hands. A written agreement from the deeded owner to transfer the dump for $xxx. According to the realtard, the offer will go from the bankruptcy attorney to the bank for acceptance. This scenario appears to be a short sale, post bankrupty. I’m still waiting on my attorney to return my call but I figured I’d pose this scenario to you all.

How does a post-bankruptcy short sale work?? It seems to me it is less complicated considering there are only two parties involved(we and the bank). There is no owner involved where the owner says, “I have a buyer for less than I owe, will you forgive x dollars?”

Yet i have a signed contract from the owner….

Your thoughts?

Comment by Eddie
2010-11-06 12:48:54

shanty
dump
realtard

Hmmm I didn’t know high school boys bought houses.

Comment by mikey
2010-11-06 14:01:37

“I was 15 years old and receiving checks between $300,000 and $400,000 per month,” says Johnson. At 19, he sold the company name and software (but not the customer database) to an undisclosed buyer. Says Johnson, “Before my high school graduation, my combined assets were worth more than $1 million.”
Now just 23, and with other ventures under his belt, Johnson spends his time giving speeches and promoting a new book. “Put yourself out there,” he advises. “Don’t be afraid of rejection. Don’t be afraid to ask anything.”

Some can Eddie…it’s a brave new world and more than a few young people are adjusting to it.

;)

 
Comment by Georgiaboy
2010-11-06 14:04:41

We’re Georgia… We’re shanty town. And we love high school boys.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-11-06 13:34:17

The title is in the sellers name but who has liens against the title ?

“Anyways, the owner had all his debts discharged by a judge yet the owner accepted our 50% offer”

Have the sellers acquired any new or hidden debts since then ?

You mentioned “one bank” for acceptance. Is their another bank with a lien? Could anyone unidentified during the BK proceedings be out there and place a lien or a cloud on clear title ?

Get Gap Insurance because this party seems “iffy” and they could get hit by other liens if it goes to a sale!

I just did a short sale with a party on the edge of foreclosure and they used that and the BK threat to the 2nd lien bank. Everyone wanted this house sold but the 2nds wanted their money too.

The bank with the primary loan which would be made whole with the purchase price payment and a 2nd bank that was holding up the deal for mo money.(they finally allowed the sale with an off the side agreement by the seller for repayment)

You mention that you have an attorney and he should know the importance of a thorough title search, gap and insurance for you.

My 1st offer was rejected by the 2nd bank. I believe their loss mitigation department wanted a “paper trail” just to show that they were trying to work for mo money.

I merely changed to dates to give then 10 days, kept my offer price the same and stated that THIS was the Buyers Final Offer.

I had several signed contracts from the Sellers…before the house was finally mine.

Don’t take their 1st rejection to heart and try again if this is the house you want.

Have your lawyer double check everything as RE agents and some people seem to think that the very term “short sale” is a general label to play fast and loose with the material facts and the truth.

….Good luck Exeter

:)

Comment by exeter
2010-11-06 15:10:58

Thank you Mikey.

The only two extend general conditions that I wrote in the contract were “property must be convey with clear title” and I have a right to rescind offer if property is damaged before closing(it’s not winterized). I’m fairly certain title search is a requirement in VT and NY but I’d do one even if it weren’t a requirement, especially given the circumstances.

We couldn’t care less if they reject it. It’s a business decision on our side and nothing more. I will communicate in a reasonable way in order to be productive but I have a major FUH-Q attitude toward them regardless. After a 1.5hr conversation with the realtard, he indicated that bankruptcies are accelerating and all of his new business is short sales. And the beauty of it all? The shorts are driving prices down according to the him.

Banks options are limited to;

1) Do nothing and let the place come apart(shack hasn’t been winterized and electric is shutoff)
2) Short sell to cash buyer (me)
3) Foreclose

The contract executed by the owner is binding as far as I can tell. I haven’t heard back from my attorney yet.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-06 13:35:04

Sounds like the guy’s contract with you is pointless. It will either be yes or no from the bank. Good luck.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 14:07:55

Although it appears so in one direction, i dunno that it’s pointless. Contracts work both ways.

 
Comment by Exeer
2010-11-06 14:12:52

Blue,

Initially that was my thought too but given the fact that he is still the legal owner and his name is on the deed, he is bound by the contract.

And EddieTard…. you’re projecting again. I’m glad you didn’t take Bens advice and leave. We need our Blog Retard. Thank you for serving that role.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 17:14:42

Title search.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 12:40:13

The Republicrat puppet show known as the mid-term elections largely went as planned, with the sheeple electing some new corporatist stooges to replace some of the more discredited old ones. However, for the first time since 1913 the Fed and the banksters have genuine cause to worry: Rand Paul arrives in the Senate, and Ron Paul is finally in a position to demand accountability from the Fed.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/40013227

Comment by Rancher
2010-11-06 13:27:14

And Congressman Paul has some big plans.

“I will approach that committee like no one has ever approached it because we’re living in times like no one has ever seen,” Paul said in an interview with NetNet Thursday.

Paul said his first priority will be to open up the books of the Federal Reserve to the American people.

“We need to create transparency there. To see what it is they are buying and lending, and who it is they are dealing with,” Paul said.

Paul mentioned that he hoped to use subcommittee hearings to educate the public about the causes of business cycles—which he believes are mainly attributable to monetary manipulation by central bankers.

Monetary reform is also on the agenda. Paul is a noted advocate of the gold standard.

“We will have to have monetary reform,” Paul said. “I think those on the other side of this issue are already planning. They are going to try to replace a bad system with an equally bad system.”

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 13:29:58

“We need to create transparency there. To see what it is they are buying and lending, and who it is they are dealing with,” Paul said.

Transparency?

Why not be honest about it? He’s a gold bug who wants to abolish the Fed.

As for him being allowed to chair that subcommittee, it remains to be seen.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 16:15:32

No, Dr. Ron Paul is a rare sane and principled politician who recognizes the Fed’s central role since 1913 in destroying the value of the dollar by 95% (pre-latestest QE II, which should take the destruction up to 99%). When you have a privately held entity like the Fed allowed to control the nation’s money supply, you’d be a fool not to buy & hold assets like gold whose value is inversely proportionate to that of central bank-issued fiat currency.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 21:58:19

In 2009, $1 saved in 1913 would be worth:

$24.50 if saved in a short-term asset.
$229.00 if saved in a long-term asset at a term of 1 years.
$5,082.40 if saved in a S&P portfolio with dividends reinvested.
$46.00 if saved in a gold portfolio.

http://www.measuringworth.com/ussave/

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Comment by DennisN
2010-11-06 13:22:30

Calling Hwy50…

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420ap_wa_radioactive_rabbit.html

Wascally Wadioactive Wabbit.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 18:59:57

“The Hills Have Eyes” can’t be too far behind…..

 
 
Comment by Big V
2010-11-06 13:40:30

Joey:

The only way that American business costs can be reduced to the level of Indian business costs is to reduce US labor to approximate 5 cents/hour. You keep going on about how the bank bailout was necessary to prevent a deflationary spiral. Well, does 5 cents/hour sound deflationary to you? Is it necessary to prevent that too?

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 14:46:03

It’s irrational presumptions like yours that get companies into serious trouble.
Why don’t you do some research and learn what sort of costs savings outsourcing actually proven to offer.

There is no guarantee it will save you one penny, and a lot of companies lose money in the attempt.

not my job to educate or convince anyone.. believe whatever you like.

Comment by Big V
2010-11-06 16:29:47

The only reason why so many companies do choose to outsource is because of the cost savings. And the only reason it saves on cost is because of low wages. It sure ain’t the efficiency, the technology, or the lack of regulation, because those things are not a reality in India. Or the bribes.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 17:16:59

You forgot the tax breaks they get for offshoring, as well.

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Comment by measton
2010-11-06 13:44:31

I these quotes that make it look like the FED cares about the average person in the US.

The economy hasn’t been growing fast enough to reduce unemployment, which has been stuck at a high of 9.6 percent for three straight months. The Fed worries that high unemployment, lackluster wage gains and still-weak home values will weigh on consumer spending, a major drive of overall economic activity.

Note to BB, driving up the cost of food and fuel by driving down the value of the dollar will cause people to stop purchasing services and manufactured goods. As I recall we’re a service based economy now??????????

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-06 15:38:14

“…driving up the cost of food and fuel by driving down the value of the dollar will cause people to stop purchasing services and manufactured goods…”

Fed-sponsored po-tax. But everyone needs to eat, so I suppose if you are going to tax something, it may as well be food…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-06 15:21:53

Buy a foreclosure home, and face down the barrel of a shotgun on your move-in date.

Economy
Shattered Dreams: Foreclosure Squatters
By Peter Doocy
Published November 06, 2010| FoxNews dot com

When Chris and Thelma DiMattio bought their new house in swanky Wilton, Connecticut a few months ago, they were thrilled. The longtime Wilton residents didn’t have to uproot their family, and they got a really great deal on the home at a foreclosure auction.

They picked up their last house at a similar auction, and were excited to move into their new place. That is, until they actually got there- and realized the previous tenants were still living inside.

On the day a Connecticut state Marshall served the home with a final eviction notice, Chris DiMattio said, “essentially, we’re paying taxes, insurance, and our first month’s mortgage payment for someone else to live there.”

The following week, the DiMattio’s were able to move in to the house, which was littered with dog hair, garbage, some furniture, and even a few high school yearbooks. Apparently, the family didn’t comply with any orders to leave until the last possible hour, when the Marshall showed up.

The Marshall said when he showed up at 9am, the man of the house was drunk and had a gun in front of him, but that nobody was hurt.

After all the added expense and the heartbreak of having to watch another family deal with losing their longtime home, Thelma doesn’t know if she even wants to live in the new house. “It’s kind of a spooky karma” DiMattio said. “Cause you had to get rid of someone and move them out of their home. It’s not a fun event to do.”

Thelma also said her young children have been very upset about the way things have gone, especially after their story showed up in the local paper after the DiMattio’s called the police to report their unwanted tenants.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 17:19:20

So they got an up close and personal dose of reality, did they?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-11-06 17:45:16

They got a great deal…….that’s all they wanted…

but oh those poor rich white kids and the horror of learning life’s lessons

and they got a really great deal

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-06 15:24:58

Taking On a Second Mortgage to Pay the Foreclosure Lawyer
By DAVID STREITFELD
Published: November 6, 2010

For some Florida residents, the price of getting out of foreclosure will include taking on a second mortgage — payable this time to their lawyers.

“We’re not money lenders,” said Peter Ticktin, a foreclosure lawyer who devised a “pay later” plan for troubled homeowners.

Thomas Ice and other foreclosure lawyers in Florida typically receive a few hundred dollars a month from each client.

The new mortgage, which takes effect only if the foreclosure is dismissed and the homeowner’s debt to the bank is reduced, is controversial among defense lawyers, some of whom call it “creepy” and “crass.” Yet even they acknowledge it offers a solution to a vexing question: How do they get paid?

After recent revelations that banks were sloppy in processing many foreclosures and in some cases lack standing to seize a house, potential clients seeking to challenge their lenders are flocking to lawyers. But while these distressed homeowners might have a case, they generally lack the resources to pay legal fees. Being in foreclosure usually means being broke.

We thought, ‘Why don’t we use a bit of ingenuity to find an affordable way to represent them?’ ” said Peter Ticktin of the Ticktin Law Group in Deerfield Beach, Fla. “It’s a new model, a new paradigm.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 17:21:18

“Taking On a Second Mortgage to Pay the Foreclosure Lawyer”

Holy moly. Says it all right there.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-06 15:26:56

* NOVEMBER 5, 2010, 3:26 P.M. ET

US Pending-Home-Sales Index -1.8% To 80.9 in Sept - NAR

By Meena Thiruvengadam and Luca Di Leo
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)–U.S. pending home sales slipped for the first time in three months in September as foreclosure moratoriums spurred by shoddy mortgage documentation practices slowed sales.

The National Association of Realtors’ index for pending sales of existing homes fell 1.8% to 80.9, the industry group said Friday. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires had expected pending home sales would increase by 3% in September.

Year over year, the pending-home-sales index is 24.9% below its level of 107.8 in September 2009. The NAR on Friday also revised its August index upward slightly to 82.4 from the previously estimated 82.3.

The NAR index is based on pending sales of existing homes, including single-family homes and condominiums. A home sale is pending when the contract has been signed but the transaction hasn’t closed. Pending sales typically close within one or two months of signing.

Pending home sales plummeted in May after the expiration of a government tax credit program but had been on the rise in July and August as rock-bottom mortgage rates and distressed property sales enticed buyers.

“Existing-home sales have shown some improvement but the foreclosure moratorium is likely to cause some disruption and contribute to an uneven sales performance in the months ahead,” said Lawrence Yun, the association’s chief economist.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-06 15:29:05

Is this foreclosure rescue clusterfork by accident or by design?

* HOMES
* NOVEMBER 6, 2010

Foreclosure Crisis, Part 2: Modifications

By JESSICA SILVER-GREENBERG

The Obama administration’s program to help struggling borrowers keep their homes is being hurt by the same miscommunication, botched documents and other snafus that caused the original foreclosure crisis.

After J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. agreed in January to her trial loan modification under the Home Affordable Modification Program, Stephanie Lulko made six $767-a-month mortgage payments, even though the bank said it had no record of her loan and then warned in a letter that she would be foreclosed on unless she paid $4,091.94.

The 44-year-old Ms. Lulko, of Oklahoma City, says bank employees told her to ignore the letter. Their tune changed in June, when J.P. Morgan said she earned too much to qualify for a permanent modification. The problem this time: The bank’s numbers were wrong. “I wish I had never applied for this modification,” she says.

In September, the bank rejected her request for a permanent loan modification for a second time. She faces foreclosure unless she pays nearly $5,000—the difference between her original and modified loan payments, plus late fees. Ms. Lulko has been unemployed since her temporary job at the U.S. Census Bureau ended in August.

J.P. Morgan denies any wrongdoing related to Ms. Lulko’s loan. “We worked with the borrower over a number of months and communicated the status of the loan modification during that time,” spokesman Tom Kelly says. He adds that the lender has converted 29% of temporary modifications into permanently reduced payments as of September.

The foreclosure-paperwork furor is deepening criticism of the U.S. government’s high-profile mortgage-restructuring effort, which has fallen short of its goal of helping three million homeowners. More than half of the 1.4 million borrowers approved for temporary modifications have fallen out of HAMP because they didn’t qualify.

The program “has undoubtedly put people into foreclosure,” says Neil Barofsky, the special inspector general overseeing the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which funds HAMP. “It’s a parade of documentation horrors.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 17:22:57

By design. The trick is to get the federal money, but help as few as possible.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 19:04:02

Ms. Lulko should’ve told her tormentors to either produce irrevocable proof that they held her mortgage - as verified by her real estate attorney - or to go piss up a rope, she wouldn’t pay them a dime.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-06 15:31:55

* GETTING GOING
* NOVEMBER 6, 2010

New Ways Bankers Are Spying on You

* By KAREN BLUMENTHAL

Big Banker is watching you—more closely than ever.

With lenders still skittish about making new loans, credit bureaus and others are hawking services that help banks probe deeply into your financial closet. The new offerings include ways to look at your rent and utility payments, figure out your income, gauge your home’s value and even rate your banking habits based on details like whether your direct deposits have stopped.

All of this could influence your financial freedom—not to mention the number of junk-mail solicitations you receive.

Ken Lin, CEO of Credit Karma, a credit-score information website, knew he had a good credit score. But when he recently applied for a new credit card, he was rejected: The lender had flagged him as a higher credit risk because the value of his California home had declined and his mortgage principal wasn’t declining—giving away that he has an interest-only mortgage.

“It’s a lot more than just your credit score today,” he says.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-06 17:24:17

What 4th Amendment?

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-11-06 19:05:33

Dude, where’s my Constitution?

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-11-06 22:17:09

Who needs accurate credit ratings…

It’s not as though mistakenly lending money to a bunch of people who are unlikely to repay the loans might cause some sort of economic disaster.
——

All of this could influence your financial freedom..

Freedom to borrow?

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-06 15:44:25

Reforming the housing market by phasing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

* November 6th, 2010 9:00 am ET

Taxpayers have already spent over $140 billion bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and total losses could rise to $259 billion by 2013 according to a recent government estimate. To bring stability to the nation’s struggling housing market and take taxpayers off the hook for future financial losses, policymakers should begin reducing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s involvement in the mortgage industry. A new Reason Foundation policy brief details how to reform mortgage industry by beginning to phase out Fannie and Freddie.

Taxpayer dollars are going to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac so they can artificially prop up housing prices,” says Anthony Randazzo, author of the Reason Foundation report. “It is going to be painful, but our leaders need to let housing prices find their natural bottom, without government interference, for a truly sustainable recovery to begin. Congress can bring stability to the economy by beginning a long-term strategy to dissolve Fannie and Freddie.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-06 15:46:17

WSJ Blogs
Developments
Real estate news and analysis from The Wall Street Journal

* Foreclosure Mess Slowed September Home Sales
* November 5, 2010, 12:53 PM ET

Hoenig to Realtors: Wean Housing Off Government Intervention

The boom-and-bust nature of the housing markets in recent decades needs to be addressed by weaning the market from “governmental intervention and public subsidies that have distorted the market,” said Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City President Thomas Hoenig at the National Association of Realtors conference in New Orleans on Friday.

“The American public, including aspiring homeowners and those of you employed in the housing industry, might be best served, over time, by reducing or removing these subsidies as part of our national policy,” said Hoenig, who has led the Kansas City bank since 1991 and faces mandatory retirement next year. Hoenig was the lone dissenting vote Wednesday in the committee’s 10-1 decision to launch a new round of bond-buying, or quantitative easing, to support the economy and has been consistent in his message: Interest rates need to go up. (See Real Time Economics)

One subsidy worth reconsidering, Hoenig said, is the tax deduction offered for interest paid on home mortgages. U.S. officials might decide the deduction makes sense, he said, but the deduction must be looked at as a subsidy–it’s not free, he said. Especially in light of growing budget deficits, subsidies to encourage home ownership, and ones for agriculture and energy, all need to at least be examined, he said in response to an audience member’s question.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, with their implicit government guarantees, also must be reformed, Hoenig said. (Easier Said Than Done)

“Had these institutions been held to stricter financial standards, far fewer households would have suffered the tragedy of foreclosures, the lost home equity and the loss of personal savings and wealth that today continues to hold back our economic recovery,” Hoenig said.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-06 23:59:02

I love the URL here (snippet): “bill-moyers-money-fights-hard-and-it-fights-dirty”

Bill Moyers: “Welcome to the Plutocracy!”

Wednesday 03 November 2010
by: Bill Moyers, t r u t h o u t | Speech

Bill Moyers speech at Boston University on October 29, 2010, as a part of the Howard Zinn Lecture Series.

I was honored when you asked me to join in celebrating Howard Zinn’s life and legacy. I was also surprised. I am a journalist, not a historian. The difference between a journalist and an historian is that the historian knows the difference. George Bernard Shaw once complained that journalists are seemingly unable to discriminate between a bicycle accident and the collapse of civilization. In fact, some epic history can start out as a minor incident. A young man named Paris ran off with a beautiful woman who was married to someone else, and the civilization of Troy began to unwind. A middle-aged black seamstress, riding in a Montgomery bus, had tired feet, and an ugly social order began to collapse. A night guard at an office complex in Washington D.C. found masking tape on a doorjamb, and the presidency of Richard Nixon began to unwind. What journalist, writing on deadline, could have imagined the walloping kick that Rosa Park’s tired feet would give to Jim Crow? What pundit could have fantasized that a third-rate burglary on a dark night could change the course of politics? The historian’s work is to help us disentangle the wreck of the Schwinn from cataclysm. Howard famously helped us see how big change can start with small acts.

We honor his memory. We honor him, for Howard championed grassroots social change and famously chronicled its story as played out over the course of our nation’s history. More, those stirring sagas have inspired and continue to inspire countless people to go out and make a difference. The last time we met, I told him that the stories in A People’s History of the United States remind me of the fellow who turned the corner just as a big fight broke out down the block. Rushing up to an onlooker he shouted, “Is this a private fight, or can anyone get in it?” For Howard, democracy was one big public fight and everyone should plunge into it. That’s the only way, he said, for everyday folks to get justice – by fighting for it.

I have in my desk at home a copy of the commencement address Howard gave at Spelman College in 2005. He was chairman of the history department there when he was fired in 1963 over his involvement in civil rights. He had not been back for 43 years, and he seemed delighted to return for commencement. He spoke poignantly of his friendship with one of his former students, Alice Walker, the daughter of tenant farmers in Georgia who made her way to Spelman and went on to become the famous writer. Howard delighted in quoting one of her first published poems that had touched his own life:

It is true
I’ve always loved
the daring ones
like the black young man
who tried to crash
all barriers
at once,
wanted to swim
at a white beach (in Alabama)
Nude.

That was Howard Zinn; he loved the daring ones, and was daring himself.

Now, most people know what plutocracy is: the rule of the rich, political power controlled by the wealthy. Plutocracy is not an American word and wasn’t meant to become an American phenomenon – some of our founders deplored what they called “the veneration of wealth.” But plutocracy is here, and a pumped up Citigroup even boasted of coining a variation on the word— “plutonomy”, which describes an economic system where the privileged few make sure the rich get richer and that government helps them do it. Five years ago Citigroup decided the time had come to “bang the drum on plutonomy.”

And bang they did. Here are some excerpts from the document “Revisiting Plutonomy;”

“Asset booms, a rising profit share and favorable treatment by
market-friendly governments have allowed the rich to prosper… [and] take an increasing share of income and wealth over the last 20 years.”

“…the top 10%, particularly the top 1% of the United States –
the plutonomists in our parlance – have benefitted disproportionately from the recent productivity surged in the US… [and] from globalization and the productivity boom, at the relative expense of labor.”

“… [and they] are likely to get even wealthier in the coming years. Because the dynamics of plutonomy are still intact.”

I’ll repeat that: “The dynamics of plutonomy are still intact.” That was the case before the Great Collapse of 2008, and it’s the case today, two years after the catastrophe. But the plutonomists are doing just fine. Even better in some cases, thanks to our bailout of the big banks.

As for the rest of the country: Listen to this summary in The Economist – no Marxist journal – of a study by Pew Research:

More than half of all workers today have experienced a spell of
unemployment, taken a cut in pay or hours or been forced
to go part-time. The typical unemployed worker has been
jobless for nearly six months. Collapsing share and house
prices have destroyed a fifth of the wealth of the average
household. Nearly six in ten Americans have cancelled or
cut back on holidays. About a fifth say their mortgages are
underwater. One in four of those between 18 and 29 have
moved back in with their parents. Fewer than half of all adults
expect their children to have a higher standard of living than
theirs, and more than a quarter say it will be lower. For many
Americans the great recession has been the sharpest trauma since
The Second World War, wiping out jobs, wealth and hope itself.

Let that sink in: For millions of garden-variety Americans, the audacity of hope has been replaced by a paucity of hope.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-07 00:35:17

BlackRock paves way to reshape mortgage market
Nov 5, 2010 15:17 EDT

BlackRock’s new $1 billion jumbo mortgage fund paves the way to reshape the U.S. mortgage market. If its blue-chip presence tempts others to follow, it would reopen the private mortgage securitization market, reduce the need for federal guarantees and bypass many of the conflicts and practices that contributed to the housing-led economic crisis.

The idea, first reported by Reuters, is pretty simple: rather than buying mortgage bonds from lenders, the asset manager will buy packages of loans from the banks instead and bundle them into securities itself. It’s not the first to do so — in April Redwood Trust sold the first, and so far only, mortgage bond in more than two years not backed by government-run entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

There are still hurdles — not least fears of further house price declines. And the private market won’t be able to compete financing jumbo loans until Fannie and Freddie drop their guarantee limit, which was raised to $729,000 in the crisis. With the likes of BlackRock ready to take up any slack, there’s no reason such taxpayer-backed warranties should stick around for long.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-11-07 06:50:23

Heck you can buy a house in Greenwich or Scarsdale at those prices….yep subside those low income peeps

Fannie and Freddie drop their guarantee limit, which was raised to $729,000 in the crisis.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-11 10:48:52

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