I was looking at comps in my current ‘hood, and the last sale (one month ago) was $207 for a 2/1.5. When I factor in TI on my rental (3/2), I’d say a fair price would be about $120k — that would keep the payment around $1,100.
I still can’t believe the prices people are getting, not to mention I am STILL surrounded by abandoned houses, and those aren’t even on the property appraiser’s radar yet.
Most folks are sure that the good old days are just around the corner, at least for them. Houses and land for sale everywhere up here and precious few “buyers”. Prices have yet to have a waterfall moment. I’ve rented a room on the upper floor to watch what floats by in the spring thaw. No doomstead for me.
“Most folks are sure that the good old days are just around the corner”
That’s exactly it, people are expecting the good old days of easy money to return. When I tell them it isn’t going to happen I am told that I’m “negative”, that I’m a “half empty glass type”, etc.
Several years ago there was an AP photo of some wackedout Kayaker setting the “highest drop” record of a near 134’ from some waterfall in South America.
There he was,…2/3 of the way down , vertical, and trying to adjust for the bottom.
..and there I am! Just like Mr.Damn D Fates, I too feel like I’m in a kayak (The SS.Zeus) about 2/3 of the way down a steep real-estate waterfall. But, ya’know, it’s not really too bad. From here, the view is awesome and the howling mist on my face is refreshing.
However, I’m not eagerly anticipating the events likely to happen when gravity yields.
I only wish that the large foreheads of “Mr.Hanky” Paulsen and Osama Bin Berhanki could soften the craft’s impact.
I’ve watched quite a few properties come on in the last week. That’s not normal. Usually between Thanksgiving and Christmas they’re pulled off. My curiousity is definitely piqued. Something’s up. Quite a few are empty.
Evil doc, how’re the numbers on that side of town? SU guy, not sure where you’re watching but what’s your perspective?
Carrie Anne we lease 4 properties and recently I bought a commercial property in Dewitt. I have been very busy with renovation such as adding another office and replacing a kitchen. The place we got is beautiful in the Carrier Circle area. So I have not been paying much attention to residential real estate lately. I can tell you this much that when you start renovating money flows thru your hands like water.
The troublesome spots in commercial real-estate that I am seeing is that most vacant buildings had some sort of a housing related business in them i.e. roofing companies, heating and air conditioning, landscaping, tile companies, electric, portable potties, Kitchen and bathrooms, Janitorial, printing etc. These companies probable won’t recover not in the short run. The owners are beginning to see the writing on the wall and have begun the process to lease or sell the buildings. Most of these buildings will never rent or sell in my opinion. We don’t need to sell as we will shift operations from a leased building to the one I own and expand the product line. In our case the rent versus buy works out great.
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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-29 07:03:36
SUGUY, when will you move your business into the building? How much will it save you per year and in the long run?
“I’ve watched quite a few properties come on in the last week. That’s not normal. Usually between Thanksgiving and Christmas they’re pulled off.”
Two new REOs went on the market in my hood this week. That’s on top of the other two REOs already on the market. I didn’t do the research yet, but I’m guessing it could be the result of banks re-starting those sales after the October moratorium, or due to the recent encouragement by Fannie/Freddie to get these to market quicker.
Your’re right though… this is an interesting time of year to see new inventory.
The other economy which is recovering (for the rich) seems to think that the 2nd economy (for the rest of us) which is not recovering, is still allowing people to have disposable or discretionary income.
In Tampa Bay area’s buyers’ market, rental pickings are slim
Rental pickings are slim because there are soooo many victims living for freeeee. Not to mention the LLs collecting rent and not paying their mortgage. Talked to a woman yesterday who lives in a nice community, her neighbor who bought at the peak and then took another $190k out a year later in 06 has not payed his mortgage in over 2 years. She ran into him at Ace Hardware where she was buying a couple of gallons of paint for her kids room and he was buying a very expensive gas grill. Then he got into his 8 month old BMW and went home. No I didn`t ask her how he got the grill home.
Interesting. There are plenty of rentals available in my neck of the woods. The house next door didn’t sell after 6+ months on the market. It’s been unoccupied for about 2-3 moths now and it just grew a “For lease” sign. I’ve seen a few “For rent/lease” signs pop up during the daily dog walk.
FWIW, I don’t know of anyone out here “living for free”. From what I’ve heard through my grapvine most folks out here are evicted after 6 months (they also leave before the Sheriff has to show up).
Then again, this is in my little neck of the woods. I have no idea of what its like in big, bad Denver.
In some places, the shadow inventory is artificially propping up rents. I think that may have been part of the “plan”. Not only do they think they can slow down foreclosures, but they also think they can slow down rent decreases. “Keep ‘em empty”, that’s the refrain. But the hard part is to keep ‘em dry, unmolested, uninfested, and standing upright.
I can’t remember what novel it was where the guy went on a monolog about houses standing upright. They were supposed to stand upright just like a man, because men were supposed to live in them (kinda sexist dude, but I guess we get your point). Then he went on about how you can’t put a house on a road because that ruins the whole thing. It makes it like a journey to get there or a destination instead of just being a place where you stay. Anyway, here’s my totally cockamamie HBB interpretation of it:
A house was meant to be upright, but if no one is living in it, then it will fall down. Also, if people are always moving and can’t really just live in their house and on their farm, then the house is just a place to sleep. That’s why banks should people their houses in an expiditious manner. Need to get those people in and out and off to the next one, post haste.
“In some places, the shadow inventory is artificially propping up rents.”
Absolutely. But note that this would not be possible with a competitive banking system. Only because so much real estate wealth and control is concentrated in the hands of a few Wall Street banks is such coordinated withholding of inventory from the market possible to execute.
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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-11-28 14:02:50
I am also convinced that banks are holding onto land, keeping it off the market in an effort to maintain high prices. There is no other explanation for the dearth of land for sale.
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-28 15:54:50
“There is no other explanation for the dearth of land for sale.”
Uncle Sam owns a great deal of land in the West which, so far as I am aware, is not available for sale to you or me.
“This land is your land,
This land is my land,
From California
To the New York Island.
From the redwood forest,
To the Gulf Stream waters,
This land, was made for you and me.”
– Woodie Guthrie –
Federal Lands in the US
Frank Jacobs on June 16, 2008, 8:23 PM
The United States government has direct ownership of almost 650 million acres of land (2.63 million square kilometers) – nearly 30% of its total territory. These federal lands are used as military bases or testing grounds, nature parks and reserves and indian reservations, or are leased to the private sector for commercial exploitation (e.g. forestry, mining, agriculture). They are managed by different administrations, such as the Bureau of Land Management, the US Forest Service, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, the National Park Service, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the US Department of Defense, the US Army Corps of Engineers, the US Bureau of Reclamation or the Tennessee Valley Authority.
This map details the percentage of state territory owned by the federal government. The top 10 list of states with the highest percentage of federally owned land looks like this:
In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office - I see my people
And some are grumblin’ and some are wonderin’
If this land’s still made for you and me.
Exactly. When you stop making mortgage payments you suddenly have a lot more disposable income for consumer electronics and such. But never forget, these are victims. The MSM says so.
Why is it again that renters who stop paying their monthly nut are summarily thrown out on the street, but mortgagees who stop making payments are given years of forbearance? The inequity of the system is bothersome…
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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-11-28 14:02:34
PB
You’re spot on. Indeed, the inequity of the system is just wrong. Not just for us post homeowners awaiting an re-entry point again, but as a saver, little or no debt, and as a solid citizen (oh sorry, I mean “consumer). I feel like amoral has won. I better start thinking differently, as I am sick of being punished.
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-28 15:04:11
“I better start thinking differently, as I am sick of being punished.”
It’s easy. Repeat after me: “How much a month?”
See, that was easy.
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-11-28 19:54:21
In Colorado
We’re a cash deal for our final home, and are making zlich on our saving (s/b a minimum of $20,000/yr Interest Income) and live among low functioning scum. I feel betrayed.
So Ca hit 36 degrees in our area last night. I bet that’s not too cold to you.
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-29 07:10:21
Up here in Sacramento prices went up a little bit in the good neighborhoods over the summer. Very annoying. I’m waiting for the next crash.
We’ve had frost overnight. Our tangerines are looking ok for now (yum).
FWIW, in my neck of the woods the lines don’t start to form until late Thursday night. Maybe folks in Larimer county know that their time is worth more than saving $200 on TV. It can also get pretty cold here, so that might be a local discouragement as well.
As for what you are seeing … a lot of kids get the whole week off from school … so maybe they are the ones camping out … who knows?
Aha, now maybe we are getting to it. If you have to pay rent and they don’t then you don’t get to splurge at Walmart and they do.
Whatever you are paying for rent is “wasted”; The rent money just goes to enrich your landlord. If you would instead DOUBLE-UP - or even TRIPLE-UP - and share housing expenses with somebody else then you could save on a lot of otherwise-wasted rent money that you could use to buy lotsa Walmart junk.
Even better: If you have a mortgage then you can just stop making payments altogether and take ALL of your housing-expense money to Walmart and buy even more junk.
I think they must be very brave (or stupid). Your shelter is there to protect you from the elements, from hostile beasts, and from OTHER PEOPLE. And no, the other mommies in line cannot protect you in the middle of the night, especially with someone else’s hand over your mouth. Totally a dumb thing to do.
It might be that you need a makeover in appearance? Or that you need to play more popular songs? Or a willingness to work for new low wages? I donno DJ, but maybe you need to act like a dumb schmuck just to get a job and pay the bills, I don’t know. Separate your smarts from your past successes. I wish you the best of luck and hope you see this comment. Lavish parties are a thing of the past at this point, and competition is fierce. Let’s talk sometime.
(CNN) — Several Black Friday shoppers eager to get great holiday deals were trampled Friday morning as they surged through store doors in North Buffalo, New York.
CNN affiliate WIVB had a camera inside the Target and captured the drama. People at the front of their line were pushed to the floor when doors opened. The commotion and screams drew additional store staff to sort the crowd out.
One shopper, bent over in pain, continued into the store.
Keith Krantz told WIVB that he was pinned against a metal door support and was shoved to the ground. Shoppers went over him until staff pulled him to safety. “At that moment I was thinking I don’t want to die here on the ground,” he said.
Krantz, who said he suffers from a herniated disc, said he was given X-rays and painkillers at a local hospital.
CNN was unable to reach Krantz Friday night. It was not clear from the video if others were hurt. Target declined to comment on whether there were injuries.
“It went from controlled to a mob in less than five minutes,” shopper Rich Mathewson told WIVB. “And then it just got nasty.”
Several people had cut into the line, angering the crowd, Mathewson said.
“The safety of our guests and team members is a top priority,” Target spokeswoman Jessica Carlson said in a statement issued to CNN. “We take this incident very seriously. Target plans well in advance of Black Friday and employs numerous crowd management tactics to prevent incidents. We continually analyze and improve those plans, and will do so in this case, to help ensure a safe and enjoyable shopping experience.”
Target would not comment further on details of the incident.
I had to work at a large factory for a few years this decade. Most of the employees were poorly educated, young, temp/contract. When it came time to clock out, it was a mob scene. They were pushing and shoving to be the first to clock out.
I also blame the supervisor for not enforcing basic manners.
Bored? Google News “Wal Mart” arrests. Be prepared for stereotypes.
They remind me of rats in a maze. I mean isn’t that the point? The best deals are in the back of the store. On the way shoppers are tempted w/all sorts of other offers. The satisfaction of scoring the sale item just reminds me too much of the Skinner box. The frustration when the item’s not there is too much like what I observed when we produced the extinction response in the rat.
They were doing interviews on the local news last night. They interviewed three sisters, who said that camping out overnight in front of Best Buy was becoming a “family tradition”.
Keep me the fook away from that family.
And these were upper-middle class/college-educated sisters, not the stereotypical trailer-ghetto trash Walmart customers. (They probably work in health care, or in state/local government, which is the only growth industry in these parts).
“A Webster resident, he’s also part of a quickly growing demographic. Across the country, as the Great Recession has clawed away at the jobs and livelihoods of millions, poverty has been creeping into the suburbs. The Rochester area has been hit harder than most, as more than half of the region’s poor now live outside the city.”
Yet according to John Boehner, we need to cut corporate tax rates for these poor, struggling victims. John Boehner wants to cut you to the ground, America.
Corporate Profits Were the Highest on Record Last Quarter
The nation’s workers may be struggling, but American companies just had their best quarter ever.
Corporate taxes could be cut to ZERO and offshoring would continue at full steam. Don’t kid yourself.
Corporate America LOVES slave cheap labor. And the the truth is even if slavery were legal in America it would probably still be cheaper to offshore the jobs.
Give them a tax rebate if they prove they created a job in America .
As long as the Corporations aren’t really even American Companies anymore in terms of their work force than its
just BS .
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Comment by polly
2010-11-28 09:42:45
Job creation tax credits are just about the hardest think in the world to administer fairly. They sound great, but it just doesn’t work. If something is impossible to administer, then it is better to skip it.
I might be OK with reducing corporate tax rates if we tried on a few changes in the calculation of corporate profit like making taxable income the same as the income they report to their investors and use to calculate executive compensation. Getting rid of loss carry backs and carry forwards is worth looking at too.
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-11-28 10:32:20
Polly if we eliminated corp income taxes there would be no loss carry forward or back……that alone should make for some interesting business decisions.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-11-28 10:44:55
“…if we tried on a few changes in the calculation of corporate profit like making taxable income the same as the income they report to their investors and use to calculate executive compensation.”
Now that’s just crazy talk.
Comment by MightyMike
2010-11-28 11:59:24
You’ve got a good point there, Polly. I saw something last year that listed that actual percentage of corporate income collected as taxes in various countries. It shoed that the US was actually somehwere in the middle of the G7 countries. So saying that our corporate tax rates are the highest is misleading.
Comment by Big V
2010-11-28 12:20:14
It’s also misleading because corporations in the US don’t have to pay bribes, they don’t have to pay for private security forces, they don’t have to build their own roads, and they get the benefit of tax-funded education for their workers.
Comment by SUGUY
2010-11-28 13:34:30
In my opinion jobs are created by demand and not tax incentives. Tax incentives are seen as more money for the business owners.
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-28 13:48:04
“…if we tried on a few changes in the calculation of corporate profit like making taxable income the same as the income they report to their investors and use to calculate executive compensation. Getting rid of loss carry backs and carry forwards is worth looking at too.”
What are you?! Some kinda dang socialeest/commie?!
I’ll bet yer against the “free market” too, ain’t cha?
Business owners for the most part view their employees the same way plantation owners viewed their slaves. Or how the Nazis viewed their Russian prisoners of war……use them up as much as you can, and don’t invest anything in them, so you can throw them away when they become economically unviable.
This BS you hear about “employees are our most valuable asset” is Human Resources BS/propaganda, to keep the serfs from revolting, or worse, organizing a union.
The real test of how much an employer “values” you is your pay grade, pure and simply.
The problem for a lot of us is that our value can’t be easily determined by a spreadsheet, which is the only thing the “Masters of the Universe” understand. Our “value” isn’t apparant until things start blowing up in people’s faces.
Exhibit A: My former employer giving me the boot last year, without a severance or my accrued vacation, or keeping me on some kind of retainer until they got their airplane sold. Because I wasn’t there to either take care of the airplane, or keep the logbooks in order, they took a $200,000 plus hit on their resale, when they sold the airplane earlier this year.
(Got a call in June from their sales broker wanting info/help with the sale. Needless to say, I wasn’t very interested).
Coporate tax rates, probably. But when you get done with
salaries
bonuses
Zurich
Cayman
“charity” which is little more than advertising
loopholes large enough to hang around the neck of the entire middle class
then how many taxes are these companies paying…really? And tax rates were higher under Clinton, yet hiring continued apace. How do you explain this Charlie, you paid shill?
on one hand you argue that the corp taxes are a farse due to loopholes and on the other you argue that hiring continued under higher rates.
didn’t the clinton hiring continue due to the dot com bubble?
how about we get rid of the loopholes and get rid of the double taxation (corp tax) ?
i just heard warren buffet in the background say he pays 16% courtesy of loopholes provided by the congress.
i’m no shill (but thanks for the name calling) just a very small businessman struggling to get by in this economy.
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Comment by scdave
2010-11-28 10:12:37
just a very small businessman struggling to get by in this economy ??
And struggling mightily given the business that your in I suspect…Hang in there Tango…
Comment by oxide
2010-11-28 10:22:32
I’ll have some sympathy for you if you’re really a small business. But at the moment I don’t want to believe you simply because your posts are a regurgitation of dittohead talking points and little else.
That said, it’s true that small businesses receive the shaft, even though they are the job creators. It’s the big multinationals that are the culprit here. They are ones exporting thousands upon thousands of jobs because it’s cost effective for them. This forces small business to go down. As housing wiz says, that’s the logical end of capitalism: monopoly; where economies of scale will trump the better mousetrap, if not by marketing than by purchasing a favorable regulatory and political environment down at the local Congressman store.
I’m hoping that the new health insurance law will help small businesses buy health insurance and give them an advantage or large corporations.
The “dot-com bubble” under Clinton refers to the soaring stock prices which were backed up with no assets other than an idea, a small server in a small room, and possibly a puppet mascot.* However, there were many many real jobs created from the rocketing productivity due to the rise of email and the Internet. That was NOT a bubble. Those jobs have not disappeared; they just moved to India. I always lament that it took over 40 years for the Internet to reach widespread use, but only 7-8 years to export all the jobs created from it.
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*I often joke that the dot-commers couldn’t even claim razor blades as assets. Anyone who watched those young buck dot-commers knows why.
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-11-28 10:46:30
how about we get rid of the loopholes and get rid of the double taxation (corp tax) ?
Indeed corporate taxes serve no real purpose other than to enrich accountants and lawyers. One way or another the money comes out of the pockets of individuals.
But more to the point, we need to get rid of CORPORATIONS, period. By doing this, we would start to re-emphasize productive work and healthy competition, instead of Rube Goldberg legal schemes to avoid responsibility.
Comment by oxide
2010-11-28 11:46:59
I agree, Lehigh. Also what we need to get rid of is the blanket statements, for example that corporate tax rates should be lowered (only some should), or that taxes on income should be lowered (only on wage income), or that all tax increases are bad (not all are). Perhaps some sort of sliding scale on what makes a corporation “American.” Mailing address for HQ doesn’t work anymore.
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-28 13:42:38
As much as I rail against corps, they do, in fact serve a purpose in organizing and deploying capital for large scale projects while limiting unreasonable liability.
Where they became evil was when they were granted “personhood” 1862.
But before that, the East India Co. showed what happens when your entire government turns “corporate”… as ours has.
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-11-28 14:45:52
As much as I rail against corps, they do, in fact serve a purpose in organizing and deploying capital for large scale projects while limiting unreasonable liability.
Aha! Ecofeco revealed as an undercover corporate agent! And not even for small and medium ones, but “large scale” corps! I knew the truth would come out.
But why don’t we just have all large scale projects done by the government? Or better yet, forget about the Tower-of-Babel boondoggles and focus on small communities and real people?
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-28 16:05:19
Yeah, that’s me. Master agent provocateur.
Actually, the large projects ARE all done by the government and then handed off to either local governments or businesses.
Power grid. Internet. Hydroelectric. Interstate. Aeronautics. Aerospace. Nuclear science. The list is VERY long.
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-11-28 17:43:21
So why do we need corporations again?
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-28 18:43:02
To keep the rich distracted with fighting among themselves instead of actually putting chains on ALL of us.
Seriously, we don’t NEED corporations, it’s just the only structure we’ve been able to come up with in the last 200 years that doesn’t involve rich people using private armies to divvy up the spoils.
we have the 2nd highest corp tax rates in the world.
Actually no, and not even close.
Fact: U.S. effective corporate tax rate significantly lower than its statutory rate…
…according to an August 2008 report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO): “Statutory tax rates do not provide a complete measure of the burden that a tax system imposes on business income because many other aspects of the system, such as exemptions, deferrals, tax credits, and other forms of incentives, also determine the amount of tax a business ultimately pays on its income.” …
…Fact: World Bank study found U.S. effective corporate tax rate lower than those of several industrialized nations
…the World Bank-International Finance Corp. estimated that the United States has a lower effective rate of current corporate tax than that of several other nations, including Germany, Canada, India, China, Brazil, Japan, and Italy. The publication also included a figure that compared effective and statutory corporate tax rates for several G-8 and BRIC [Brazil, Russia, India, China] countries:
“we have the 2nd highest corp tax rates in the world.”
…on PAPER ONLY. Most large corporations pay NO TAXES.
Secondly, you’ve also shown you know nothing about business tax laws. The most basic of which is that if you can show, on paper, that you broke even or lost money for the year, you do not have to pay business income tax.
Why yes, there is a way to show both a profit and loss at the same time. Legally.
the only way you can show a profit and a loss at the same time is by keeping 2 sets of books.
legally? don’t think so.
you say i know nothing, i know this much, if you prosper in a small business ( i own and operate 2 small businesses for 3 decades)then you pay taxes as a result. many think you can show paper losses and make that reality go away which isn’t quite right. in most cases you can defer the tax liability into the future and what a time bomb that creates.
currently i own an asset that i can no longer afford, but the paper losses came in the form of accelerated depreciation. now i can’t afford to sell it because it would represent profit and create tax liability beyond what i would receive for the asset.
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Comment by Big V
2010-11-28 14:40:46
So, you are saying that you depreciated your loss on paper more quickly that the actual rate of depreciation, and the tax man would make you pay that money back if you sold it now for more than what you said it was worth?
And how does your experience as a small-business owner relate to corporate taxes? You don’t pay corporate taxes.
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-28 14:44:49
The rules are little different if you are a single owner private, non-corp business.
The break even/loss exemption still applies, but you don’t get to legally keep two sets of books like corps do.
See polly’s reply above about taxable income calculations and loss carry backs and carry forwards for a glimpse of the game.
Then there is the oldest game of spending the net before the end of your fiscal year.
DUBLIN (AP) — A new poll indicates that most Irish people want the world’s banks to take a share of losses as part of a massive EU-IMF bailout of Ireland.
The Sunday Independent poll in Dublin says 57 percent favor a loan deal that requires senior lenders to Irish banks — chiefly other banks in Britain, Germany and the United States — to suffer partial write-offs on their investments.
The remaining 43 percent polled agree with the existing European Union policy that defaulting on debts would cause unacceptable shockwaves in global banking. The paper said results were based on phone polling of 500 people, with a 3 percent margin of error.
On Sunday, finance ministers from across the 27-nation EU are meeting in Brussels to discuss a draft loan agreement for Ireland for a reported euro85 billion ($112.5 billion), nine-year loan from EU and International Monetary Fund donors.
Um, yeah. And polls showed something like 90% of Americans were opposed to TARP, which didn’t stop Wall Street’s Republicrat whores on Capital Hill from pushing it through anyway.
Didnt congress vote it down the first time and then bush gave the money to goldman anyway?
Biggest scam in US history.People who created the problem get bonuses and bailouts while the avg joe gets to spend xmas sleeping in his car.We have major issues in this country right now.
I mean REALLY MAJOR issues that are more important than the Wall St. crooks — like the fact that Willie Nelson smokes pot and a dangerous criminal like him should be taken off the streets immediately before he hurts someone!
I don’t remember them voting it down. They simply didn’t give it to him within his stated 3-day time frame. Remember? Bush came out on TV and told the world that “The entire global financial system will implode within three days if this bill isn’t passed”. Then, like three days later, Congress took a break or something. I was hoping they wouldn’t pass it, but they did, after a few more days.
I was like “Um. It’s been three days now, you can call his bluff”. But they did it anyway.
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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-28 13:07:07
I don’t remember them voting it down.
What I remember is the House voted it down the first time with more Republicans voting no than Democrats then they went home for a long weekend to “talk to their constituents” and the in the meantime the stock market crashed and when they came back, the House re-voted and then passed it.
The average Joe voted in the Republicrat whores and swindlers who have sold their souls to the banksters. The average Joe is still too stupid to understand the connection between his poor voting choices and serf-like apathy and the systemic asset-stripping of the productive classes in this country. The average Joe is getting what he deserves.
“A new poll indicates that most Irish people want the world’s banks to take a share of losses as part of a massive EU-IMF bailout of Ireland.”
That would be a good start, but I would like to see this movement go much further. In particular, business records of major banks suspected in perpetrating the housing debacle should be subpoenaed, and banks determined to have deliberately set up households (in whatever country) for financial collapse due to poorly underwritten loans should be forced to pay reimbursement for the economic damage they have created.
If this drives major lending institutions out of business, all the better.
In the middle of Europe’s crisis, the former image of the ugly German — all-powerful and arrogant — has returned. Groaning under the weight of the euro crisis, Ireland sees itself as a victim of German conceit. The Irish press writes of “neo-colonialism.” One of the largest newspapers in the country, the Irish Independent, quotes Fine Gael politician Michael Noonan, saying: “Can I ask whether this is what the men of 1916 died for: a bailout from the German chancellor with a few shillings of sympathy from the British chancellor on the side?”
Easter Rising is hardly ancient history. It’s a sentiment that might surprise the soon to be German overlords. It might be entertaining when the IRA figures out what the banks have done to them.
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Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-28 13:53:20
“It might be entertaining when the IRA figures out what the banks have done to them.”
More recent history was during WWII when Éamon de Valera’s government adopted a hostile neutrality towards the UK, forbidding the Royal Navy to use the southern Irish treaty ports to fight off the Nazi submarines.
I can’t help but wonder if the voters in Ireland will throw out their current government and replace it with a new one that is intent upon a default on the debts.
And once Ireland goes this way, so will Greece, then Portugal, etc..
Kind of an interesting reversal of the post-WW1 period, when Germany owed everybody else more than they could reasonably repay. The Germans opted to print their way out (rather unsuccessfully) but that option isn’t available to the Euro members.
How long will countries like Ireland put up with extreme austerity measures in order to repay the German bankers? I’m guessing not very long.
Yup, I recall that too. We even got a few commentators from Ireland right here on the HBB. I think it was like 2007 or 2008. I few of them wrote in to crow about the “stability” of socialist Ireland. They were going to go back home and leave all these US shenanigans behind them. Never mind the fact that they were planning on getting jobs working for US companies in Ireland. Never mind the fact that Ireland was part and parcel to the very same Globalist Banksterette Tea Party. I don’t mean to be mean, but it is a little gratifying to see Ireland finally not being “different here”.
They are straving right now.The only thing they can do is pimp short sales.I saw a realtor at walmart the other day passing out flyers on “How to do a short sale”.
Short sales have become the meal ticket for realtors right now.
492 Days From Default to Foreclosure.
Wall Street Journal
492: The number of days since the average borrower in foreclosure last made a mortgage payment.
Banks can’t foreclose fast enough to keep up with all the people defaulting on their mortgage loans. That’s a problem, because it could make stiffing the bank even more attractive to struggling borrowers.
In recent months, the number of borrowers entering severe delinquency — meaning they missed their third monthly mortgage payment — has been on the decline, falling to about 700,000 in October, according to mortgage-data provider LPS Applied Analytics. But it’s still more than double the number of foreclosure processes started.
As a result, banks are taking progressively longer to foreclose. The average borrower in the foreclosure process hadn’t made a payment in 492 days as of the end of October, according to LPS. That compares to 382 days a year ago and a low of 244 days in August 2007.
In other words, people who default on their mortgages can reasonably expect, on average, to stay in their homes rent-free more than 16 months. In some states such as New York and Florida, the number is closer to 20 months.
That’s a meaningful incentive, and it’s likely to grow unless banks manage to boost their throughput. Speeding up the process won’t be easy, as demonstrated by the banks’ continuing legal troubles related to robo-signers, bank employees who signed foreclosure affidavits without properly checking the required loan documentation.
Millions of Americans still are paying their mortgages even though they owe more than their homes are worth. The more banks’ backlog grows, the more likely they are to join it, adding to the already giant pile of foreclosures weighing on the housing market
Do we have any solid data on whether these FB/squatters are ever going to get hit with a bill for unpaid rent? Or, if the bank forgives the amount, how about a 1099?
How about data on whether banks are concentrating their efforts on recourse or non-recourse states? Logically, you would think that banks would evict the non-recourse houses, because they can’t go after other assets later, and because they need to sell the house before it loses any more value.
“…because they need to sell the house before it loses any more value.”
Check out the Memphis Daily News story (second one I posted below) when it shows up; it cites anonymous ‘analysts’ who claim most of the shadow inventory will not go on the market for 40 months.
Is there some kind of top-down coordinated conspiracy in play to hold shadow inventory off the market? I don’t think it matters much, as U.S. housing prices are toast for the next decade or so, but I would still be very interested to know why banks would think it in their self-interest to hold on to money-losing assets for so long.
What if making a profit is so far from a bank’s view that it does not even enter their discussion.
What if the top priority is avoiding getting busted for being insolvent.
What if foreclosing on a house forces asset value discovery?
What if ignoring and pretending keeps the lights on for another day?
We don’t need no stinking conspiracy.
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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-11-28 11:16:04
What if the exec’s only care about prolonging their bonuses for a few more years and delaying the crash until after their retirements?
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-28 12:20:47
What if your competitor is unloading their REO inventory first, in order to avoid getting buried in a future price collapse; wouldn’t you want to hurry up and try to unload first?
What if top regulators in the banking system would rather coordinate withholding of inventory from the market than witness further housing price declines?
Comment by Big V
2010-11-28 12:50:15
You need a huge, stinking PILE of conspiracy to pull off what’s being done today.
Rule 1 - Don’t panic.
Rule 2 - If you are going to panic, be the first to panic.
It makes no sense, in a competitive environment, for a holders of declining assets to hold on to them even longer. Makes more sense to sell them all as fast as you can.
The only way they can do this and remain competitive is if they are playing footsie with the rest of the crew from the latest Globalist Banksterette Tea Party. It’s one for all and all for one, and that is a conspiracy (i.e., thinly veiled monopoly).
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-28 13:15:33
“Rule 1 - Don’t panic.
Rule 2 - If you are going to panic, be the first to panic.”
Exactly! Why are the banksters so glacially slow to realize their losses? It makes no sense without collusion to fix prices, which, by the way, is illegal under the Sherman Antitrust Act.
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-11-28 15:08:19
It isn’t a loss until they have to show it on their books.
Sorta like the FBer who says his house is worth $500K, when all the comps say it is worth half that. Or Beanie Babies.
Delusion is our only growth industry.
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-11-28 15:22:14
One more time, PBear. Large banks (and other large corporations) do not act in economically rational ways, i.e. ways that would make sense in the context of individuals and small groups. They are directed by executives who are typically in office for 5-10 years at most, and who are solely concerned with maintaining their lavish compensation packages and deferring any disaster until after their retirements.
Your faith in antitrust law is touching, but it isn’t going to counteract basic laws of economics and human behavior, any more than piling on another few thousand pages to the 100,000+ page Code of Federal Regulations is going to fix the financial crisis.
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-28 15:57:10
“Your faith in antitrust law is touching,…”
Without faith, a rule of law is not possible, and conversely.
Comment by Big V
2010-11-28 16:01:53
Lehigh,
If what you’re saying is true, then shouldn’t all (or most) large corporations go under and take their entire industry along with them every 5-10 years? Kinda funny how the Big Down just happened to coincide with an era of reckless deregulation, cavalier disregard for the law, and pro-corporate government policy.
If it weren’t for government getting in bed with mortgage lenders (via FnF, tax breaks for mortgagors, forced/subsidized lending, etc), providing a large, fail-safe return for investors, then the bubble would not have occured. Similarly, if it weren’t for the government attaching strings to the bailout money (instructing the industry not to sell their foreclosures), then we would not have the shadow inventory currently sitting on the nonmarket. The current executives of existing banks would be incentivized to sell those puppies and make some money for their own bonuses today.
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-11-28 17:29:41
shouldn’t all (or most) large corporations go under and take their entire industry along with them every 5-10 years?
It usually takes a somewhat longer period of neglect and incompetence to lead to a real crisis, but then the corp’s just go begging for more favors and bailouts whenever things start to go south. Corporatism is really just creeping socialism by another name.
Kinda funny how the Big Down just happened to coincide with an era of reckless deregulation
Actually, regulation increased steadily throughout the Bush years.
, cavalier disregard for the law, and pro-corporate government policy.
I’m trying to sift through your rhetoric to see if there are any substantive points. What is a “pro-corporate” or “anti-corporate” policy, anyway? Once you’ve established the basic principle that corporations have limited liability, i.e. are essentially above the law, any attempted “regulations” are nothing but kabuki dancing. They can always lobby for whatever exemptions, deferrals, etc. are convenient.
People are constantly b!tching and moaning about corporate misdeeds. But when I make the case for abolishing corporations, they get all solemn and go on about how corp’s are essential tools to enable capital to be raised efficiently, blah, blah. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say that executives, officers and shareholders have limited liability but unlimited profit potential, but then be outraged when they do immoral and illegal things.
if it weren’t for the government attaching strings to the bailout money (instructing the industry not to sell their foreclosures), then we would not have the shadow inventory currently sitting on the nonmarket.
And how is this a pro-corporate policy? I’m lost.
Comment by Big V
2010-11-28 18:35:15
Lehigh:
I still want to know - if it is the nature of a corporation to commit suicide for short-term gain, then why don’ t most or all corporations do this? Why hasn’t the banking industry done this since the Great Depression (a lot longer than any CEOs tenure)? Why doesn’t MacDonald’s do it?
Thing 2: I was alive during the Bush years (junior and senior), and I distinctly remember that regulations were dropped left and right. Whatever regulations remained were ignored. Regulatory offices went underfunded. The White House would hire its own attorneys to bully state governments out of enforcing their own laws. The reasoning in the White House was that Federal law should trump state law, so if the folks in the Federal house wanted deregulated banks, then they would have it, states be damned. It was one of the pillars of the Bush Administration - “free” and “efficient” markets. Your link may have some statistics that make it appear otherwise, but it’s not necessary to provide statistics in the face of the obvious. The Bush Administration and Republicans in general have been boasting about their policy of deregulation (both official and de facto) for decades, m’friend.
Pro-corporate, as in “anti-worker”, as in “globalist”.
Comment by Big V
2010-11-28 18:43:43
Oh, I forgot: How is holding foreclosures off the market “pro-corporate”? If the government can coordinate a form of collusion that allows the banking industry in general to not compete for sales, than the banking industry in general (especially the specially selected Big Brother Banks) doesn’t have to take its lumps as it otherwise would.
Collusion is illegal because it is attractive to the largest players in any idustry, and it benefits those players at the expense of capitalism.
“Do we have any solid data on whether these FB/squatters are ever going to get hit with a bill for unpaid rent? Or, if the bank forgives the amount, how about a 1099?”
As long as some shill scumbag is running an election campaign the squatters will be viewed as good, god-fearing American voters who need help.
Millions of Americans still are paying their mortgages even though they owe more than their homes are worth. The more banks’ backlog grows, the more likely they are to join it, adding to the already giant pile of foreclosures weighing on the housing market………….
Gee, Millions are paying even though the house is worth less than their mortgage. Maybe everyone who is underwater should just not pay.
That would make for millions more foreclosures and lots more lower priced houses available. I’m all for it. Let’s have more foreclosures.
But, how about we get more creative. There probably isn’t a financed car on the rode that isn’t “upside down” on their loans, either. If you owe more than your car is worth, then quit making that payment, too.
This will help bring down the cost of cars. Cheap houses and cheap cars for everyone!!! It’s a great day in America.
We need a replacement vehicle, and I’ve been patiently waiting for the deals, but the risky auto loans are also securitized, and the fed has been buying those too. Crony capitalism.
492 Days From Default to Foreclosure
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You take one down, buy a new car
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491 Days From Default to Foreclosure
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You take one down, buy a flat screen
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490 Days From Default to Foreclosure
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You take one down, Go to a NACA convention, tell the media how you lost your job 98 weeks ago and how you were overloaned and you don`t know who owns your mortgage and your dog has cancer and needs an operation
Is all lost for Wall Street, now that JoeMark the Plumber has thrown in the towel on the stock market?
I love how the AP writers elevate the import of Mark the Plumber’s conclusions about the rigged stock market, based on him observing the same kind of erratic daily movements in prices of individual stocks which has continued unabated for decades, although generally unnoticed by plumbers.
NEW YORK (AP) — The Wall Street insider trading investigation may lead everyday investors — already rattled by a stock market meltdown, a one-day “flash crash” and the Madoff scandal — to finally conclude that the game is rigged.
“A large part of trading has to do with trust, and I don’t have it,” says Mark Swenson, a 43-year-old plumber from New Hampshire who refuses to buy individual stocks.
“When a stock moves up 10 percent, you don’t know why,” he added. “We can pretend that everyone has access to the same information, but they don’t.”
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“Virtually everyone on the Street believes there are significant improprieties, and I think there is an even more important point for the massive number of investors who are not Wall Street players,” says former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer, once known as the “sheriff of Wall Street” for aggressively prosecuting white-collar crime as state attorney general. “And that is for most of us, you can’t beat these guys at their own game.”
People are nervous about the state of their assets in part because their homes are worth so much less these days, not to mention job insecurity and slow economic growth overall.
Some pros on Wall Street say hesitation by small investors is good news. It means that there’s plenty of “dry powder” to propel the market higher in the next few months when and if the little guy finally relents and joins in the rally.
The insider-trading probe could test that theory.
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Anyone seen any data on how the discount brokerages are doing?Etrade keeps running baby commercials everytime the market goes up 200 points in a day.Lemmings are still not trading.
“When a stock moves up 10 percent, you don’t know why,” he added. “We can pretend that everyone has access to the same information, but they don’t.” ??
Which is exactly why I have never, ever, owned any stock…I figure I have a better shot at Texas-Holdem or better yet, the sports book…
To get a sense of the lawlessness in Florida’s court-run foreclosure process, look no further than public records at the Sarasota and Manatee county courthouses.
“Every one of them is suspect. Some of them are clearly criminal. All of them need to be investigated by law enforcement.”– Michael Belle, Sarasota real estate attorney
There, on foreclosure documents open to everyone, is the evidence that at least one law firm’s employees repeatedly broke a state law in a rush to push cases through the courthouse so banks could seize people’s homes.
The evidence — missing signatures and misdated documents that could not have been signed on the dates specified — can be found on an important document called a “mortgage assignment.”
Without it, a bank would have a costlier and more time-consuming legal path to foreclose, even if a homeowner never makes another mortgage payment.
The Plantantion-based firm, one of the state’s largest foreclosure practices and a key player in local foreclosure cases, generated dozens of error-filled mortgage assignments in Sarasota and Manatee counties alone. In each case, the firm’s employees notarized the documents, swearing they were accurate when they were not.
Stern’s attorney and his employees have repeatedly told state investigators and reporters that mistakes on the paperwork they generated were just that — unintentional and isolated errors.
Checking for problematic documents in your case is easy if you know where to look. This slideshow will show you how. http://tinyurl.com/257alg6
Yes, each debtor should look after his own mortgage. Most are not contested because the houses are standing empty and the FBs have moved on. The last thing we need is for state attorneys general to exhume every single FC that went through uncontested. The system does work efficiently if not impeded by ambitious pols.
Why didn’t the foreclosure “victims” in question point out these errors during the foreclosure process? Did they not look at the documentation? Well, they mostly didn’t even bother to look a their mortgage documentation, so I guess that makes sense.
It might also be a case of mea culpa. The FB knows he hasn’t been paying, so he doesn’t bother to fight against the foreclosure, robo-signing or not.
Did I previously mention how I just love this story? It just seems like such a poster child for the fraud-ridden U.S. financial system!
Shortcuts on the foreclosure paper trail
By Todd Ruger
Published: Sunday, November 28, 2010 at 1:00 a.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, November 27, 2010 at 7:26 p.m.
To get a sense of the lawlessness in Florida’s court-run foreclosure process, look no further than public records at the Sarasota and Manatee county courthouses.
Foreclosures have swept the nation. And a Herald-Tribune review of more than 1,000 property and foreclosure documents filed by one Florida firm in 2008 and 2009 shows that the errors were blatant, widespread and repeated.
“Every one of them is suspect. Some of them are clearly criminal. All of them need to be investigated by law enforcement.”
– Michael Belle,
Sarasota real estate attorney
There, on foreclosure documents open to everyone, is the evidence that at least one law firm’s employees repeatedly broke a state law in a rush to push cases through the courthouse so banks could seize people’s homes.
The evidence — missing signatures and misdated documents that could not have been signed on the dates specified — can be found on an important document called a “mortgage assignment.” The paperwork helps prove a lender has the legal right to seize a property.
Without it, a bank would have a costlier and more time-consuming legal path to foreclose, even if a homeowner never makes another mortgage payment.
Faced with that prospect, employees in David J. Stern’s law offices bent and broke the rules designed to ensure the documents judges rely on to award foreclosures are authentic, a Herald-Tribune investigation found.
The Plantantion-based firm, one of the state’s largest foreclosure practices and a key player in local foreclosure cases, generated dozens of error-filled mortgage assignments in Sarasota and Manatee counties alone. In each case, the firm’s employees notarized the documents, swearing they were accurate when they were not.
Stern’s attorney and his employees have repeatedly told state investigators and reporters that mistakes on the paperwork they generated were just that — unintentional and isolated errors.
But a Herald-Tribune review of more than 1,000 property and foreclosure documents filed by Stern’s firm in 2008 and 2009 shows that the errors were blatant, widespread and repeated:
• At least 60 local homeowners have lost property based on improper mortgage assignments, and dozens more are just a hearing away from the same fate. A spot check of six other counties turned up similar examples.
• One in 10 mortgage assignments filed by Stern’s law firm in Sarasota County contains mistakes that violate state law. One in three contains either legal violations or other irregularities, such as mismatched dates, that experts say call into question their authenticity.
• At least 14 Stern employees notarized documents — essentially swearing they were accurate — even though the documents contain omissions, incorrect dates and improper signatures that clearly show they were not proper.
Neither Stern, his attorney, nor others at his firm responded to repeated calls for comment. A reporter who visited Stern’s office in Plantation was met by a security officer who threatened to call authorities.
Meanwhile, Florida judges and legal officials have been slow to prevent or reverse foreclosures based on questionable documents.
Judges do not question the documents unless homeowners question them first, so they continue to rule in favor of lenders. Twelfth Circuit Chief Judge Lee Haworth said judges must remain neutral in court, and cannot raise possible defenses — such as bad paperwork — on behalf of homeowners who choose not to fight, or don’t know how to fight, their foreclosure.
“The judges will accept, as they do in every case, pleadings that are represented by counsel as legitimate,” said Haworth. “It’s the defendant’s case. … If they don’t want to hire an attorney, that’s their business.”
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• At least 14 Stern employees notarized documents — essentially swearing they were accurate — even though the documents contain omissions, incorrect dates and improper signatures that clearly show they were not proper…….
Wow, a really big claim of fraud. I didn’t see a single thing in the article that shows any real basis to claim fraud. Read that again.
14 Employees notarized documents. what’s unusual about that? The whole point of notarizing something is to swear that the information is claimed to be true and accurate.
It was a big company. The way the article is written tends to lead you to believe that 14 employees were fraudulently signing documents.
Gee, the date of the last filing was on a Thursday. The paperwork said Friday. Clearly wrong. The buyer should have fought it. The address had the wrong zip code. The signer missed it. The paper work is wrong, therefore it is fraud. What is the real basis of the claims made in this article and others like it. Is it that if you hire a lawyer they can go through the documents with a fine-tooth comb and find a name or date that was mis-typed and therefore the documents need to be withdrawn and the whole process started over with a corrected documents??
I understand there are claims of missing paperwork. I’ve seen claims of inaccurate paperwork. Everyone’s hoping the banks all say the dog ate their documents. If the banks can prove a chain of title claims, even if their were some errors in processing, does it invalidate their claims? I don’t think so. I just creates more delays.
Perhaps some paperwork is lost. I don’t think most of it is lost. It will cost former “owners” to hire a lawyer to review the documents, and since they are clearly in default, i understand that most of them don’t want to hire a lawyer to review the case. So, naturally, the bank “wins”. Getting a wrecked house at half the loan value is hardly “winning.”
That’s what I’ve been thinking this whole time. Is a mistake really “fraud”? Is being overwhelmed with so much documentation that you can’t correct minor errors really “fraud”? Are any of these errors material? If so, why didn’t the FB mention it during the foreclosure process?
You know, if we the people would have just spent a few bucks to properly staff our various regulatory agencies (the ones in charge of bank-like objects), then nobody would be calling for an unaffordable, unmanageable onslaught of law-enforcement activity today. There is no way to go back and review every last foreclosure record for the past couple years. That’s why we have a “process”. It’s to allow the defendant a chance to point out errors/lies in real time. How can you call a cop two years after your purse was stolen because you left it sitting in a public place unattended with your HOUSE in it?
For most people, the former bit about homeowners not paying their damn bills is the important part, while the latter, about the sudden and strange inability of the world’s biggest and wealthiest banks to keep proper records, is incidental. Just a little office sloppiness, and who cares? Those deadbeat homeowners still owe the money, right? “They had it coming to them,” is how a bartender at the Jacksonville airport put it to me.
But in reality, it’s the unpaid bills that are incidental and the lost paperwork that matters. It turns out that underneath that little iceberg tip of exposed evidence lies a fraud so gigantic that it literally cannot be contemplated by our leaders, for fear of admitting that our entire financial system is corrupted to its core — with our great banks and even our government coffers backed not by real wealth but by vast landfills of deceptively generated and essentially worthless mortgage-backed assets.
You’ve heard of Too Big to Fail — the foreclosure crisis is Too Big for Fraud. Think of the Bernie Madoff scam, only replicated tens of thousands of times over, infecting every corner of the financial universe. The underlying crime is so pervasive, we simply can’t admit to it — and so we are working feverishly to rubber-stamp the problem away, in sordid little backrooms in cities like Jacksonville, behind doors that shouldn’t be, but often are, closed.
Matt Taibbi blogs on the Taibblog
And that’s just the economic side of the story. The moral angle to the foreclosure crisis — and, of course, in capitalism we’re not supposed to be concerned with the moral stuff, but let’s mention it anyway — shows a culture that is slowly giving in to a futuristic nightmare ideology of computerized greed and unchecked financial violence. The monster in the foreclosure crisis has no face and no brain. The mortgages that are being foreclosed upon have no real owners. The lawyers bringing the cases to evict the humans have no real clients. It is complete and absolute legal and economic chaos. No single limb of this vast man-eating thing knows what the other is doing, which makes it nearly impossible to combat — and scary as hell to watch.
What follows is an account of a single hour of Judge A.C. Soud’s rocket docket in Jacksonville. Like everything else related to the modern economy, these foreclosure hearings are conducted in what is essentially a foreign language, heavy on jargon and impenetrable to the casual observer. It took days of interviews with experts before and after this hearing to make sense of this single hour of courtroom drama. And though the permutations of small-time scammery and grift in the foreclosure world are virtually endless — your average foreclosure case involves homeowners or investors being screwed at least five or six creative ways — a single hour of court and a few cases is enough to tell the main story. Because if you see one of these scams, you see them all.
If what Stern is doing was aimed at the banks instead of the FBs, he would be in jail by now.
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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-11-28 16:16:47
And he is an attorney. Theoretically an officer of the court and, as such, should be held to a higher standard, than an ordinary person.
And then there are the banks. Shouldn’t they be good at paperwork? They have legions of minions to take care of this stuff.
Are the FBs innocent? No. But they are certainly the less sophisticated party in all of these transactions and deserve some protection from blatant fraud.
My biggest concern is that at least the same legal standards be applied to the banks as would be applied to ordinary citizens. Moneyed entities already have an advantage in court simply by being able to buy the best legal counsel. They shouldn’t also be able to launder their documents an unlimited number of times. And they should be required to have standing to bring a particular suit.
Faced with that prospect, employees in David J. Stern’s law offices bent and broke the rules designed to ensure the documents judges rely on to award foreclosures are authentic, a Herald-Tribune investigation found.
This David J. Stern?
Matt Taibbi: Courts Helping Banks Screw Over Homeowners
…On the other side of the table are the plaintiff’s attorneys, the guys who represent the banks. On this level of the game, these lawyers refer to themselves as “bench warmers” — volume stand-ins subcontracted by the big, hired-killer law firms that work for the banks. One of the bench warmers present today is Mark Kessler, who works for a number of lenders and giant “foreclosure mills,” including the one run by David J. Stern, a gazillionaire attorney and all-Universe asshole who last year tried to foreclose on 70,382 homeowners. Which is a nice way to make a living, considering that Stern and his wife, Jeanine, have bought nearly $60 million in property for themselves in recent years, including a 9,273-square-foot manse in Fort Lauderdale that is part of a Ritz-Carlton complex.
Because just one high-end, foreclosed home sold in October, the true market value of distressed residential properties has shaken up the real estate marketplace. When expensive million-dollar-plus homes sell as foreclosures, the transactions skew the market’s average and median sales prices.
The lack of high-end activity has given real estate agents and builders a more accurate reading of what the market is really like. During October, the highest sales price for a foreclosure was $825,000 followed by a closing at $399,900.
As a result, the average sales price of foreclosures fell to $115,919, a 23 percent drop from $149,889 in September. In October 2009, the level was $145,583, according to John Strobeck, owner of Bright Future Business Consultants.
The median foreclosure price fell for the third straight month to $106,900, down 13.5 percent from from $123,525 in October 2009.
Coldwell Banker calculates the selling price per square foot to “normalize” the mix of high-end and low-end properties. The October selling price per square foot of $93 was down from $94 in September. Compared to October 2009, the price has dropped 11 percent from $104.
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Shadow inventory – the massive backlog of houses either in foreclosure or headed that way – poses a significant threat to the fledging recovery in residential real estate nationwide, including Memphis.
Some parts of Memphis were hit so hard by the foreclosure crises that there is no place to go but up. The question remains: When will we start to see upward movement in these parts of Memphis?
Complicating this recovery is the bulging inventory of houses, a supply that is steadily growing when you consider the number of properties that have not hit the market yet but surely will as soon as the recovery strengthens.
This is potential crisis has ramifications that aren’t always apparent immediately.
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Early 90’s—Bill Bonds anchors follow-up newscast to ABC’s Primetime Live special berating Detroit… Portraying it as a lawless police state thriving on crime, drugs and destruction.
40 years ago I watched Detroit burn around me… I returned in the spring of 2007 to visit and photograph the same areas. Sadly they have not been rebuilt. See more photos at http://www.philcherner.com
A dying auto industry, failing schools, rampant unemployment and a home foreclosure crisis: Detroit has no shortage of ills, but in recent years it has made progress combating the city’s notorious tradition known as Devil’s Night, the period leading up Halloween each year when scores of buildings would be torched. Yet earlier this month, when nearly a dozen vacant homes were set afire in the span of a weekend, authorities here feared the worst: The real estate crisis that has hit Detroit particularly hard would mean a resurgence of Devil’s Night. (See pictures from the fight against Devil’s Night.)
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Two French photographers immortalize the remains of the motor city on film
Photographs by Yves Marchand and Romain Meffre
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-28 12:06:21
The images and video links I have posted here should help put Detroit’s relatively affordable housing prices (e.g. single family residences for under $20K) into perspective.
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-28 12:10:38
The French have always seen America more clearly than Americans have.
“Ruins are the visible symbols and landmarks of our societies and their changes … the volatile result of the change of eras and the fall of empires. This fragility leads us to watch them one very last time: to be dismayed, or to admire, it makes us wonder about the permanence of things.”
Trying again on that Marchand and Meffre web site link.
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2010-11-28 12:58:50
Detroit techno city.
Comment by Big V
2010-11-28 13:09:53
The French have always had an unrealistically egotistical view of themselves, thereby believing that they can see America more clearly than Americans do. They also have B.O., so there.
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-28 13:17:10
Good Grief Mr. Bear,…let’s not change the auto Industry, can’t we just keep drilling & importing oil & platinum & palladium and give Memphis, TN workers the low paying jobs & minimum benefits they need to earn so that the Southern US can show ol’ filthy Detroit, MI how foolish they been all these many years?
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Assignment Detroit:
Why Start-Ups Are Charging Into Lithium
In February, President Barack Obama told the crowd at a Henderson, Nev., high school that not so long ago, the U.S. made barely 2% of the advanced batteries used in the world’s electric vehicles. Now, thanks to a multibillion-dollar federal investment, American companies are positioned to increase production tenfold — and potentially control 40% of the global lithium-ion-battery market by 2015.
Is there any other city in a developed country economy which has effectively collapsed the way that Detroit did over the course of the past half century?
Video of the 17th street canal floodwall collapsing. taken by New Orleans firefighters during Katrina.
—————————————————————– Anyone who has ever been brave enough to visit East St Louis has to wonder if it ever recovered from this incident:
East St. Louis Riot
The East St. Louis Riot (May and July 1917) was an outbreak of labor and racially motivated violence that caused an estimated 100 deaths and extensive property damage in the United States industrial city of East St. Louis, Illinois, located on the east bank of the Mississippi River across from St. Louis, Missouri. It was the worst incidence of labor-related violence in 20th century American history,[1] and one of the worst race riots in U.S. history. It gained national attention.[2] The local Chamber of Commerce called for the resignation of the Police Chief. At the end of the month, ten thousand people marched in silent protest in New York City over the riots, which contributed to the radicalization of many.
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1968 Riots in Washington D.C.
April 05, 2008
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-28 16:43:39
Perhaps LA should be added to the list — at least certain parts of the sprawling megopolis would seem to qualify. And then there is Oakland. Incidents like these tend to put a long-term damper on the business climate in the surrounding communities.
Watts, LA 1968 Riots, Race riots, Democratic Convention, voter registration, Martin Luther King, John and Robert Kennedy, Black Panthers, Malcolm X, J. Edgar Hoover, FBI, Anti-War movement and cointelpro key a generation in transition.
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This video documents some awesome news reporting of crime in progress. If you were a news reporter, would you walk right up to a criminal who had just robbed a store and ask them why they did it?
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May 09, 2009
A jury has convicted a white former transit officer of involuntary manslaughter in the shooting death of an unarmed black man on an Oakland train platform. Johannes Mehserle was found guilty on Thursday in the New Year’s Day 2009 killing of 22-year-old Oscar Grant. Involuntary manslaughter carries a sentence of two to four years. As the verdict reached the streets, scores of people were arrested in Oakland riots as police tried to wrest control of downtown from looters angry about the BART verdict earlier in the day.
The past half century is a fairly short period in history….
I’d go looking for candidates in the English midlands, such as Birmingham or Manchester. Their heavy industries have taken a drubbing. I just don’t know enough to select one for you. There may also be cities in the former East Germany. Chernobyl in the Ukraine is another candidate.
I guess mining ghost towns aren’t what you are looking for. Idaho City was once the largest city in the pacific northwest. In 1864 it had a population of 7,000. Presently the population is about 475.
Taking a longer historical perspective…Rome was mostly abandoned when the Empire moved to Constantinople. People grazed sheep in the deserted Roman Forum.
Home sales dropped across South Florida in October, as the foreclosure freeze took hold. Median prices increased in certain sectors of the market.
By TOLUSE OLORUNNIPA tolorunnipa@MiamiHerald.com
Prices of existing South Florida homes rose as the number of sales dropped in October following a slowdown in foreclosures by banks because of irregularities in procedures. Both single-family and condos across the region were affected, according to a report released Tuesday by the Miami Association of Realtors.
Those trends may be temporary now that foreclosures have resumed. But the slowdown could deepen “shadow inventories,” say industry watchers, and slow down a long-term recovery.
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Bidding Wars Are Back in Some Markets
Wall Street Journal
In another sign of a housing-market recovery, bidding wars are back.
Not everywhere. But in some upper-middle-class suburbs around San Francisco and New York, and other areas where prices have hit bottom, first-time buyers eager to take advantage of relatively low prices and low mortgage rates are actually driving up prices, says Tara-Nicholle Nelson, an analyst at Trulia.com. Buyers are competing at the low end of the market, too, for homes under $200,000 and foreclosures, as buyers with smaller budgets take a stab at ownership.
But experts say bidding wars play on buyers’ worst fears. When an offer is rejected, it fosters a sense of urgency, so they’ll place more aggressive offers on the next homes they bid on, says Ms. Nelson. In the worst-case scenario, buyer psychology could boost home prices beyond what they’re really worth.
That’s the kind of whirlwind that led to the last bubble, “with the potential for financial disaster for buyers who overspend,” says Jack McCabe, an independent housing analyst.
To avoid a bidding war, here are three things a buyer can do:
Research a neighborhood’s inventory. In a real buyer’s market, houses sit on the market for more than six months before selling. To find out how long is typical in a given neighborhood, compare the number of active listings to those under contract — if there’s a glut of houses on the market, there will be far more of the former than the latter.
Watch the jobs numbers. Areas with strong employment numbers are more likely to see bidding wars, because that’s where more people have the credentials — a down payment, work documentation — to buy a home, says John Mulville, a vice president at Real Estate Economics, which tracks real-estate data.
Don’t go to war over a foreclosure. Bank-owned foreclosures sell for about 36% less than regular listings, according to RealtyTrac, and they account for about 16% of all sales.
But buyers often lose track of their goal with a foreclosure — to buy a home at a big discount — when competing offers kick in, says Mynor Herrera, a Weichert Realtor who specializes in Washington, D.C., and Montgomery County, Md. In general, buying a foreclosed property at 30% above the asking price wipes out any savings from a foreclosure.
“Buyers are competing at the low end of the market, too, for homes under $200,000 and foreclosures, as buyers with smaller budgets take a stab at ownership.”
I eagerly look forward to mocking this latest generation of greater fools in a few years, after the shadow foreclosure inventory tsunami swamps U.S. housing prices for the second time within the span of one decade.
Buyers are competing at the low end of the market, too, for homes under $200,000 and foreclosures, as buyers with smaller budgets take a stab at ownership
So, what type & quantity of apartment/home rentals in San Die-GO are going for <$925.00? (Rental prices also drop in step with housing no?)
2011 San Diego Housing costs (-47%)
2011 San Die-go Apartment/home Rental payments (-??%)
Previously:
I would reckon that there are quite a few folks in America that would sign-up for $912.03 monthly: “shelter-the-family-from-year-after-year-constant-landlord-does-not-believe-the-rents-to damn-high! type of “long-term” financial programs that come complete with a Federal Gov’t tax subsidy
With those numbers, I would gander that “bidness” would be quite “brisk”
The bidding wars discussed in the article appear to be driven by lenders collusively withholding inventory from the market to fix prices at artificially high levels, in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.
These Memphis News stories about the shadow inventory are truly awesome. Who’d've thunk Memphis was among the myriad ‘grounds zero’ for the housing bubble?
By the way, for those of you who have not yet drunk your Sunday morning coffee, 40 months is three years and four months; so the anonymous ‘analysts’ cited in this article don’t expect the bulk of shadow inventory to hit the housing market until March 2014. If true, this means that U.S. residential housing could be a terrible money-losing investment for anyone who buys over the next decade. Try not to catch yerself a falling knife!
VOL. 125 | NO. 231 | Monday, November 29, 2010
A story from The Memphis News
On newsstands throughout the city
Shadows of Doubt Foreboding ‘shadow inventory’ threatens housing recovery By Sarah Baker
Updated 2:06PM
As the housing market continues to improve, a significant backlog of foreclosed and distressed properties that have not been put on the market could bring the recovery to a screeching halt.
Many lenders across the nation – mostly banks – are struggling to keep up with the overwhelming number of borrowers who have stopped making their mortgage payments. And with the fledgling recovery in housing still weak, banks, institutional investors and even some homeowners who want to sell their homes are waiting until the market shows marked improvement.
This “shadow inventory” – the backlog of properties that are 90 days or more delinquent, in foreclosure or bank owned but haven’t yet hit the market – poses a threat to the housing recovery.
“It may well be that the lenders are moderating what comes in by what goes out so that there’s kind of a balance – they’re not trying to dump everything on the market all at once,” said Corky Neale, director of research for RISE, a Memphis-based organization that helps low-income residents achieve financial success.
“The other possibility, too, is that there may be stuff that’s never going to be added to the inventory … (for example) houses that are awaiting foreclosure, where the residents have already moved out.”
Shadow inventory is estimated at more than 7 million properties nationally, about $480 billion, according to the most recent Fitch Inc. data.
That number is not expected to decline soon.
Analysts expect it will take more than 40 months for the distressed properties to even hit the market.
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The number of U.S. homes seized by banks tumbled more than a third in October after loan servicers imposed a moratorium to probe whether repossessions were properly conducted, according to Lender Processing Services Inc.
Banks took over 79,886 homes, down 36 percent from a record 124,051 in September and the lowest number since May 2009, the Jacksonville, Florida-based real estate data company said in a report today. Lender Processing bases its figures on information collected from loan servicers at the time of foreclosure.
Bank-owned homes are among the most affordable real estate and a drop in their numbers may keep some homebuyers out of the market, said Sean O’Toole, chief executive officer of ForeclosureRadar.com, a real estate service in Discovery Bay, California, that tracks foreclosure sales in five western states. Sales of existing homes fell 2.2 percent in October, according to a National Association of Realtors report today.
“If there are many fewer, it could have an impact on one of the hottest selling segments,” O’Toole said in a telephone interview.
2.1 million houses are subject to foreclosure, says a report from CoreLogic. A whopping 6.44% of mortgage holders are delinquent according to TransUnion.
For purposes of this report TransUnion defines delinquency as payments that are more than 60 days overdue. The highest delinquency rates were in Nevada and Florida, where delinquency exceeded 14.5%. The lowest levels of delinquencies were found in Nebraska, South Dakota and North Dakota with rates of between 1.5 and 2.7 %.
Although the number of mortgage holders who are delinquent in their payments fell in the third quarter, the big picture indicates that borrowers and the housing market in general remain in dangerous waters. A large supply of unoccupied and foreclosed properties will continue to put downward pressure on home prices across the nation.
Foreclosure freezes mean that the backlog of foreclosures is growing and distressed properties will continue to flood the housing market. Some percentage of mortgage delinquencies will ultimately end in default and grow the number of foreclosed properties on the market.
TransUnion’s report showed that average borrower mortgage debt fell by .58% in the third quarter. California, District of Columbia and Hawaii had the highest average mortgage debt at more than $300,000 per borrower. West Virginians carried the least amount of mortgage debt at $100,000 per mortgage holder.
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Does it seem to anyone besides me that banks are shooting themselves in the foot through low-budget robo-signing of foreclosure documents? Scaring off potential buyers can only serve to reduce the market value of the shadow inventory they hold off their balance sheets.
WSJ Blogs
Developments
Real estate news and analysis from The Wall Street Journal
The “shadow inventory” of unlisted bank-owned homes and potential foreclosures increased to 2.1 million units in August, up 10% from one year earlier, according to new estimates from CoreLogic, a real-estate research firm.
That’s around eight months of supply, compared to a five-months’ supply one year ago.
By contrast, the inventory of all unsold homes listed for sale totaled 4.2 million units in August, unchanged from one year ago. Together, that means the visible and shadow supply of homes stood at around 6.3 million in August, or around 23 months of supply at the current sales pace.
Mark Fleming, chief economist at CoreLogic, says that weak housing demand “is significantly increasing the risk of further price declines in the housing market.” Delays in the foreclosure process, including those brought on by banks’ inability to file the proper legal paperwork, threaten to exacerbate that trend.
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ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — A man who bought a foreclosed Florida home discovered a body in the garage, and it may be that of the former owner, authorities said Friday.
The man went to the home in Cape Canaveral on Thursday, a day after buying it, Brevard County Sheriff’s Major Andrew Walters said. He found the body in a car in the garage.
Walters said it’s unclear how long the body had been there, or how the person died. An autopsy was underway.
News of the gruesome find came the same day as a 71-year-old man in Gulfport, across the state, died after shooting himself in the head as he was about to be evicted from his home under foreclosure.
Boyd Rubright shot himself as a sheriff’s deputy tried to drill through the lock on his front door, police said.
The body in the Cape Canaveral house was believed to be that of a woman, Walters said. Investigators think it may the home’s previous owner, because she hasn’t been seen for a while. She went through foreclosure earlier this year.
Mortgage lender Wells Fargo & Co. sold the home Wednesday. Neighbors told authorities that the woman had “disappeared” some time ago.
I caught this article on Saturday, concerning Freddie and Fannie foreclosures. I don’t know if it was posted previously, but it creates an interesting turn of events if it is true.
Especially when contrasted to the “all the foreclosures are fraudulent” stories we have seen lately:
I still believe MERS has created a huge mess, and it has obviously effected the market. I think it will cause more delays as more fraud claims are made. A lawyer’s stock in trade is a lawsuit.
But if this article is true, then there is more smoke than fire. When the smoke clears, we may find there are still a lot of good documents that didn’t end up on the pyre. Proceed with sales, they say.
Down payment assistance and community redevelopment programs offer affordable housing opportunities to first-time homebuyers, low-income and moderate-income individuals and families who wish to achieve homeownership.
Elimination of Non Profit Down Payment Assistance
On July 30, 2008, President Bush signed H.R. 3221 - Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. Section 2113 of the bill prohibits seller-funded DPA (Down Payment Assistance) for loans backed by the Federal Housing Administration. Prior to this bill, the seller could contribute up to 6% to the buyer to cover either a down payment or closing costs on an FHA loan. The changes took effect on Oct. 1, 2008.
NEW lending guidelines being rolled out by Fannie Mae will make securing a mortgage a lot easier for some borrowers but harder for others.
The rules, effective on Dec. 13, will allow buyers to use gifts and grants from nonprofit groups for their minimum 5 percent down payment, which is the threshold set by Fannie Mae, the government-owned company that sets lending standards and buys mortgages from lenders. (Freddie Mac is considering similar new guidelines, said Brad German, a spokesman.)
Previously, borrowers had to contribute a minimum 5 percent down payment from their own funds, but additional down payment money could be from a gift (though never from a home seller). The exception was for borrowers who put 20 percent down: all that money could come as a gift.
Because many lenders now require a down payment of 10 percent or more, the new rules mean that borrowers will still have to come up with extra funds — either their own or gifts.
Still, “this is definitely going to help upgrade buyers and young couples who for whatever reason don’t have enough money and are getting some from their families,” said Edward Ades, the owner of Universal Mortgage, a broker in Brooklyn.
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Hmmm. Maybe because the price is too high or they can’t afford that house?
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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-28 13:30:45
Nobody in DC yet seems to be acknowledging that prices are still too high. Rather, they are making a concerted, though stealthy, effort to keep housing prices inflated to unaffordable levels.
The agency plans to ban almost all upfront payments, institute mandatory disclosure rules and place new restrictions on lawyers.
By Kenneth R. Harney
November 28, 2010
Reporting from Washington —
You’ve probably seen the pitches on TV and the Internet or found them stuffed in your mail: official-looking communications complete with logos and letterheads that look vaguely like those used by the Treasury, Internal Revenue Service and other federal agencies.
They are instead criminal enterprises posing as do-gooders who promise to get you out of the mortgage jam you’re in. They claim they can persuade your lender to cut your monthly payments, forgive all penalties, slash your interest rate and even get your loan balance reduced. If your lender won’t cooperate, they say they’ll perform “forensic audits” on your mortgage and convince a court that your entire loan transaction should be canceled because of technical mistakes in the paperwork.
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Many greater fools who plowed in to the safety of Treasury bonds to avoid ‘risky’ assets are in for a Joshua tree-administered education in financial risk.
Treasuries headed for a second monthly loss as stronger-than-forecast economic data and confidence the Federal Reserve’s $600 billion Treasury purchase program will fuel more growth, reduced demand for the debt.
The yield on the two-year note rose for the fourth straight week, the longest period of increases since April 2, as a report on Nov. 24 showed initial jobless claims dropped to the lowest level since July 2008, reinforcing sentiment the employment market is healing. A report on Dec. 3 may show nonfarm payrolls rose by 145,000, according to a Bloomberg survey.
“It’s more of a function of the negative sentiment in the Treasury market, given the broader macroeconomic strength,” Ian Lyngen, a government bond strategist at CRT Capital Group LLC in Stamford, Connecticut, said Nov. 24. “The market has been under pressure.”
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Can someone please explain why Treasury department officials spend time and effort studying the stock market? I find this highly curious; wouldn’t private markets better be left private, rather than subject to day-to-day scrutiny by central planners? To what end do Treasury officials monitor the stock market? What actions are predicated on such studies?
Inside Treasury’s nerve center
Michael N. Pedroni, director of the Treasury’s markets room, studies stock numbers in his office. He and his staff provide detailed daily analysis to the Treasury secretary and other high-level policymakers.
(Photos By Astrid Riecken)
By Brady Dennis
Saturday, November 27, 2010
Two years after the harrowing days of the financial crisis, Michael N. Pedroni still draws wary looks when he heads upstairs to the third floor of the Treasury Department, which houses the offices of Secretary Timothy F. Geithner and other top brass.
“When I walk through the halls, people are like, ‘Oh no, here he comes!’ ” Pedroni said.
He’s able to joke about the suspicious stares now. But in the frantic days of fall 2008, the markets room operation that he runs played a critical role as Treasury officials wrestled with the calamity unfolding in the financial sector.
Tucked away in a former carpentry shop inside the bowels of the Treasury building, the markets room’s small staff plays a key role in monitoring the world’s financial markets, spotting emerging trends and providing detailed analysis day after day to Geithner and other senior policymakers.
“I think we are known as the front line,” said Pedroni, 38, a former International Monetary Fund economist and Federal Reserve Bank of New York employee who has spent time at a Wall Street research firm. “Our analysis is meant to be very candid, very quick, very unvarnished.”
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Real regulation is regulation that both buyers and sellers want.. For instance, the department of weights and measures.. Sellers actually want their customers to have confidence that the pumps, scales and meters they are using have been certified by a reliable third party. This is the prefect location for local gov’t to be formed and provide the county weights and measures dept for certifying scale equipment.
Not all regulation is bad. When (almost) everyone wants it, it’s usually good. It’s when some want it and some don’t that it becomes a problem.
Can someone please explain why the Fed has to ever worry about selling securities that it buys, given that it can create the money needed to finance other operations with the stroke of a virtual pen? For that matter, since these purchases are financed by ‘thin air’ money, why does the Fed have to ever worry about anything?
In early November, the Federal Reserve Open Market Committee (FOMC) decided to begin a new program to buy $600 billion in longer-term Treasury securities. It would do so by purchasing $75 billion per month for eight months. But that isn’t the whole story. This new quantitative easing measure, commonly referred to as QE2, is really just a more aggressive extension of a program that was initiated in the FOMC’s August meeting. The November minutes, released on Tuesday, provide some detail on the earlier program that helps paint a more complete picture of the Fed’s monthly purchases.
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A little simple math shows that 82 days that elapsed between August 11th and November 1st, which averages out to about $24 billion per month in asset purchases. So if you add QE1.5 to QE2, then the Fed will actually be buying close to $100 billion in longer-term Treasury securities per month — not just $75 billion, as QE2 alone implies. Of course, that assumes that the assets on its balance sheet continue to mature at a consistent pace.
The purpose of QE1.5 is to make sure that the Fed’s balance sheet doesn’t shrink. So the net purchases are just QE2’s $75 billion per month. But the Fed will have to actively seek around $100 billion in gross purchases per month in order fulfill its quotas. That’s a lot of Treasuries. The two programs combined will also significantly shift the asset mix of the Fed’s balance sheet to longer-term Treasuries, as the maturing securities will be predominately mortgage-backed securities and shorter-term Treasuries.
This could complicate the Fed’s exit strategy a little. These new purchases will predominately have maturities between two and 10 years. So if it wants to reduce its holdings in these Treasuries much in the next, say, two to three years, it will have to begin looking for buyers, instead of just allowing them to mature. By the end of June, the Fed will have around $865 billion of these longer term Treasuries on its balance sheet from QE1.5 and QE2, which could be hard to sell if investors are ready to take more risk again on stocks or are worried about inflation.
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I’m wondering if Chindian property market crashes might reduce the flow of foreign investment into U.S. property? Opportunity may lie in store for those who are sufficiently patient to wait out Asian property bubble collapse before investing in U.S. real estate.
MUMBAI/NEW DELHI: Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee’s direction to state-run lenders to prevent a recurrence of the loans-for-bribes scandal, and banks’ decision to go for a critical appraisal of all real estate loans above Rs 50 crore may stall projects and drive developers to private funds.
Liquidity for the sector may dry up as bankers turn cautious in sanctioning fresh loans, forcing builders to cut prices to improve cash position, helping prospective buyers who have been holding on due to high prices.
DB Realty tumbled 10%, Indiabulls Real Estate lost 5.2%, DLF fell 3.8%, and Unitech declined 6% as a fund shortage threatens to derail their project execution, which had just started to show signs of recovery after the 2008 credit crisis.
The arrest of eight finance executives by the Central Bureau of Investigation on Wednesday on charges of taking bribes to sanction loans does not lead to a systemic risk since the amount involved is tiny, bankers and bureaucrats said. It is getting more attention than it deserves, they said.
“ banks and financial institutions should strengthen the NPA (non-performing assets) monitoring and management in their institutions to ensure that advance action is taken to identify incipient sickness and take appropriate action on it,” said Mukherjee.
A Bank of India official said, “All big-tickets loans, particularly to builders, will come under the scanner now. Recall of loans can happen if there is a fear that the quality of loans may suffer. But as of now, there is no such worry and hence it would not prompt us to recall loans.”
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CHANDIGARH: Three days after CBI arrested Bank of India’s General Manager (Delhi) RN Tayal , for his alleged role in the housing-finance scam , the bank on Saturday asserted it has a robust system in place to prevent any wrongdoing in advancing corporate loans.
“….our bank has a robust system to take action wherever there is any wrong doing,” Bank of India’s Executive Director N Seshadri told reporters here today.
“Incidentally, nothing has gone wrong on process with the bank…if you really talk about it… it is an aberration and we will have a look at it when we have full details (with us),” Seshadri said here on triennial delegation session organized by Federation of Bank of India Officers’Association .
When asked if the bank was contemplating any action against the official who was arrested by CBI on graft charges, Seshadri said that action would definitely be taken against him.
“We just got (his) details yesterday and there is a specific guideline…(and)there is a process (for action)..but action will definitely be taken against the official,” he said.
However, he said, “no individual in the bank can influence such type of loans.”
Bank of India has said that the companies under CBI scanner are not from realty sector but rather from the manufacturing sector. “In one of the case, we do not even disbursed so far…it was just sanctioned. In another case, a group of banks are advancing loans ,” he said.
Bank of India maintains it has just 3.2 per cent exposure to the realty sector. “We have very small exposure towards real estate sector,” he said.
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Yeah, that system sounds robust. The cops come in and arrest people after the bank’s own “robust system” allows those people (like, general managers, for instance) to steal a bunch of money and break a bunch of laws. He shoulda paid his bribes, yo.
$112,610,000,000/4,000,000 = $28,152.50 per each man, woman and child.
That size bailout would not go very far in California, where the population is something like 37 million and many FB’s are hundreds of thousands of dollars underwater.
Armed police in Rio de Janeiro claimed on Sunday to have defeated drugs gangs of up to 600 men who waged a week-long campaign of violence across two of the city’s slums that threatened the city’s image as a suitable venue for the Olympic Games.
A combined force of 2,600 police officers and soldiers with painted faces took control of the network of favelas known as the Complexo do Alemao, where hundreds of gang members were thought to be hiding.
“We won. We brought freedom to the residents of Alemao,” said Colonel Mario Sergio Duarte, head of Rio’s Military Police, after an operation backed by armoured military vehicles and low-flying helicopters.
….Police later hoisted the national flag of Brazil high above the Complexo do Alemao as a symbol of their victory in winning the area back from the drugs gangs.
To succeed an operation like this would have required a lot of advanced intel, so that the identities of the targets would be known in advance so they don’t just blend into the crowd like what happened with Sadams soldiers in Iraq…
One of the topics likely to come before the next Congress is what to do about the crippled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, whose reckless behavior contributed so much to the meltdown of 2008.
The financial hole dug by these two “government-sponsored enterprises” is so deep many experts aren’t sure how much filling it in it will cost. Estimates run in the hundreds of billions.
Given that, one would hope members of Congress have learned the primary lesson of ’08: that home ownership is no longer the surest route to personal prosperity.
Apparently, the lesson still hasn’t taken in some quarters, judging by a meeting in late October between The Star’s Editorial Board and U.S. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, a Missouri Democrat.
The discussion began with Cleaver announcing his priorities for the coming year, assuming his bid for re-election was successful (it was). One thing he wanted to do was make the Community Reinvestment Act “more impactful,” as he put it. The CRA requires banks to meet the needs of borrowers in all parts of the communities they serve, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.
That led to a discussion of Fannie and Freddie, both of which have placed heavy emphasis on extending credit to low-income borrowers. I asked whether Cleaver thought housing policy, and Fannie and Freddie in particular, had gone too far in pushing home ownership. His reply was jaw-dropping.
“There’s no evidence that anyone told Fannie and Freddie to make bad loans,” he said.
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The private mortgage market is not working at all, thanks to the success of the GSEs towards inflating housing prices to levels which no private lender is willing to touch. Only the government can afford to make taxpayer-guaranteed loans when housing prices are poised to collapse.
There are plenty of puclic companies with profit-hungry stockholders, though. I think the prob with FnF was the government backing. The explicitly non-government-backed, implicitly government-backed securities actually prevented either F from thinking about its own future. Huge profits could be garnered today with supposedly little risk of future losses.
Compare that with a truly private company. That type of thing doesn’t actually want to die, so it rarely shoots itslelf in the mouth, knees, stomach, and neck just for a little moola today.
“Compare that with a truly private company. That type of thing doesn’t actually want to die, so it rarely shoots itslelf in the mouth, knees, stomach, and neck just for a little moola today.”
Ummm… Aren’t you ignoring all of the big lenders, big investment banking companies, and big insurance companies? Many of the TBTF public firms operated as if they had a death-wish.
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Comment by Big V
2010-11-28 14:28:35
Yeah, I know. That’s the whole government corruption thing at play. I know it’s too hard to explain in a nutshell, but you’ve been blogging here for a long time, so I know you understand what I’m talking about. IMO, the Fs got the most of the government backing, and that’s how they got to be the leaders of the Banksterettes, but it’s all intertwined and stuff.
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-11-28 14:42:33
I think public companies do shoot themselves in the foot all the time. Normally, the free market sorts out the winner and losers, and the losers are either acquired by other companies, or expire.
Now, we seem to just be getting stuck with losers that keep hanging on, and on, and on…
Let the zombies die already.
But still, I totally agree Big V: the problem with FnF was the implicit government backing. That should never have existed, and we should be letting free-market forces kill them off, to be replaced by smaller smarter organizations.
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-28 16:15:12
“I think public companies do shoot themselves in the foot all the time.”
Nothing wrong with that, provided nobody asks me to share in the cost of bailing them out.
The government may have bailed out the nation’s biggest banks, but now the courts will sort out who gets stuck with mortgage losses. Banks could lose more than $100 billion.
JUST WHEN AMERICA’S MAJOR BANKS seem to be back on their feet, having paid back federal bailout money and cranked up their employee bonus programs, a new threat has emerged that could seriously affect their earnings power over the next few years.
The potential liability facing bankers arises from the $2 trillion in subprime, alt-A and option-adjustable rate mortgages that they underwrote and sold to investors, mostly as mortgage-backed securities during the home-lending boom of 2005 to 2007. The losses on the mortgages will be horrendous before the dust settles—over $700 billion on these and other so-called nonagency mortgage securities, according to New York mortgage-research specialist and broker Amherst Securities Group.
And now investors—from the federal housing giants Fannie Mae (ticker: FNMA) and Freddie Mac (FMCC) to major bond managers like closely held Pacific Investment Management and BlackRock (BLK)—are fighting back. They are seeking to put back the mortgages to the banks from whence the investment flotsam came and force the banks to eat much of the mortgage losses.
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Did you hear the one about Countrywide Financial demanding that mortgage originators buy back many of the so-called stated-income loans that it had purchased from them during the late great housing bubble?
Countrywide purchased stated-income loans, but is now insisting that the original lenders repurchase them.
It boggles the mind. This, after all, is Countrywide we’re talking about: Countrywide, which came to represent, in the public mind, the dirtiest of all the subprime lenders. Countrywide, which handed out fraudulent stated-income loans — they were often called “liar loans” — like candy. Countrywide, whose former chief executive, the disgraced Angelo Mozilo, once actually admitted to analysts, “I believe there is a lot of fraud in stated-income loans.”
This same company is now insisting that other lenders that made stated-income loans — loans that Countrywide eagerly bought to fatten its balance sheet — must repurchase them on the grounds that, golly, the loans turned out to be fraudulent. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
At least, it is until you realize one other salient fact: since early 2008, Countrywide has been owned by Bank of America. Then it all starts to make some perverse sense.
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Hey Housing Wizard, looks like you’re around today: sorry that I was hard on your sis/bil the other day. Sounds like it is easy to agree that they made some mistakes regardless of the details of what happened with their contractor…
But regardless, it is hard to watch those that we care about suffer from having been infected by the mania. It happened in my family, too…
Even those of us who saw it coming and tried to warn are impacted by seeing the effects around us on the ones we couldn’t save.
Next year, taxpayers in America’s heartland will continue to enjoy the pleasure of guaranteeing mortgages to California home buyers who want to finance home purchase of homes costing over $729,750. It’s great that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are able to continue their mission of providing affordable housing, even after their Fall 2008 collapse.
A quick update here: the Federal Housing Finance Administration announced that jumbo loan limits are not changing in 2011.
In an effort to limit risk, Congress has limited the maximum loan size that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can purchase. This limit is known as the conforming loan limit, and anything above that limit is referred to as a jumbo loan. The conforming loan limit is set at $417,000, although in some high cost areas the conforming loan limit is as high as $729,750. High cost areas are places where the median home price exceeds the conforming limit. Some examples are New York City, Washington D.C., Miami, and many parts of California.
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“Total Mortgage founder and president John Walsh believes that conforming limits should be increased to $729,750 in all parts of the country in order to stimulate the jumbo housing market, which has been hurt badly by the recession.”
WASHINGTON – Job-based health care benefits could wind up on the chopping block if President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans get serious about cutting the deficit.
Budget proposals from leaders in both parties have urged shrinking or eliminating tax breaks that help make employer health insurance the leading source of coverage in the nation and a middle-class mainstay.
The idea isn’t to just raise revenue, economists say, but finally to turn Americans into frugal health care consumers by having them face the full costs of their medical decisions.
Such a re-engineering was rejected by Democrats only a few months ago, at the height of the health care overhaul debate. But Washington has changed, with Republicans back in power and widespread fears that the burden of government debt may drag down the economy.
“There is no short-term prospect of enactment,” former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, a leading Democratic adviser on health care. “However, in a tax reform (and) deficit reducing context in the long term, the prospects are much better,” said Daschle. He opposes repealing the tax break by itself, but says he would be “willing to look” at it with other changes that improve access to quality health care while reducing costs.
Labor unions believed they had squelched any such talk. Now, they’re preparing for another fight.
Tampering with health care tax breaks is “a terrible step in the wrong direction,” said Mary Kay Henry, the new president of the Service Employees International Union, which represents many hospital workers. “We want the middle class stabilized, not destabilized.”
Employer-provided health insurance is part of a worker’s compensation. Unlike wages, it isn’t subject to income and payroll taxes.
Repealing the tax break would raise several hundred billion dollars a year, depending on how it’s done. Many economists believe employers would boost pay if they didn’t provide health care. Proponents of repeal usually call for a tax credit to offset part of the cost of individually purchasing coverage.
The leaders of Obama’s deficit commission — Democrat Erskine Bowles, a former Clinton White House chief of staff, and Alan Simpson, a former GOP senator from Wyoming — have proposed to limit the tax break or eliminate it along with other cherished deductions, such as the one for mortgage interest. That would allow for a big cut in tax rates.
The commission is supposed to report its plan on Wednesday. It’s unclear if leaders have the votes to back their sweeping changes.
A separate group, the Bipartisan Policy Center, is proposing to cap the health care tax break in 2018 and eliminate it over the next 10 years. That’s part of a deficit reduction strategy from Democrat Alice Rivlin, a former Federal Reserve vice chairman, and former Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N-M., who once led the Senate Budget Committee.
“The problem of rising debt is so serious that Republicans and Democrats are going to have go back and look at almost everything to see how we solve this,” said Rivlin.
Simpson calls the health care tax break a “tax earmark.” He said that “you cannot get anything done in this game unless you deal with every single aspect of the federal budget, and the biggest thing to wrap our arms around is health care.”
Democrats struggled with proposals to curb the tax break during the health care debate, but strong opposition from organized labor won out. The compromise was a tax on high-cost health insurance plans, which won’t go into effect until 2018.
In a twist, the health care law eventually may make it easier to pry people away from employer insurance, a system that dates to World War II and has sustained three generations.
Starting in 2014, new insurance markets will make it easier for people to buy coverage on their own. These state-based “exchanges” would work like the federal employee health plan. Taxpayer subsidies will help individuals and families with low to moderate incomes pay premiums.
Our country is run by of and for corporations. Seriously they pass a health care law that requires people have insurance then they will push this law through doing away with employer health insurance. I love the quote that says many economists believe companies will raise pay to offset the loss of insurance. Yeah that will happen. I love how the bailout goes to the rich and is carried out on the backs of the middle class.
“The idea isn’t to just raise revenue, economists say, but finally to turn Americans into frugal health care consumers by having them face the full costs of their medical decisions.”
High deductible plans are already doing this. My GP’s practice resembles a ghost town these days as their only customers seem to be the medicare crowd.
I have coworkers with kids who are on the HD plan. None of them have a “family doctor”. If someone gets sick they just go to the “clinic” where they pay out of pocket on a sliding scale. The waits to see the nurse practitioner can be very long though.
I have coworkers with kids who are on the HD plan. None of them have a “family doctor”. If someone gets sick they just go to the “clinic” where they pay out of pocket on a sliding scale. The waits to see the nurse practitioner can be very long though.
You guys are world-wide JOKE in health-care. Number 1 my a$#!! At what? Jobs? Health-care? LOL Sad…..
Hey, if you guys try up there you can become a 1st world country someday.
This is what the conservative authoritarians wanted. Reward the wealthy elite because they know best, punish everyone else…. right down to the homeless and jobless.
This will put a big dent in the health care racketeering. When people shop I am sure they will find a bargain. Only if the politicos don’t screw this up again.
Insurance companies only want to insure the people who don’t actually have a risk of filing a claim. If you are 40 or older, or have any pre-existing conditions, forget about it. At least anything that’s affordable.
The best plan I’ve found has a $5000 deductible, and a monthly bill that’s 25% of my take-home…….$1000 plus a month.
The cost of dropping coverage, paying the penalty and allowing employees to receive their coverage through the exchange is much less than maintaining health coverage for employees. Covering dependents up until age 26 under their parents’ coverage is further hurting companies financially.
In November, when the government proposed an 8% payroll tax on companies that didn’t offer coverage, Caterpillar estimated it could shave $25 million a year, or almost 10% from its bill. Now, because the $2,000, in the final bill is far lower than 8%, it could reduce its bill by over 70% (yes, 70%!) by dropping coverage and paying the penalty instead. AT&T spends $2.4 billion a year on coverage for its almost 300,000 active employees. Their costs would fall to $600 million if they drop coverage.
What it comes down to is it’s a lot cheaper to “pay” than “play.”
Can anyone who thinks they understand please explain why Republicrat politicians favor policies which encourage low-income American households to buy homes they cannot afford, increasing the percentage of Americans who will face future financial hardship? I never did understand ‘affordable’ housing policy, and I still don’t get it.
“Can anyone who thinks they understand please explain why Republicrat politicians favor policies which encourage low-income American households to buy homes they cannot afford,”
Way too easy, PB: it creates a new generation of debt-slaves. And big business loves debt-slaves.
Oh geez — how could I have forgotten: Wall Street’s great vampire squid business model depends on having myriad parasitic hosts stuck with barely-manageable debt burdens and shaky credit ratings, which enable the squids to charge extra-high interest rates and to savor the prospect for many future opportunities to foreclose on failed hosts’ former homes.
For heaven’s sake, don’t leave out the taxpayer-provided bailouts in the event of systemic failure. These are worth hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars to vampire squid operations.
The Great Depression ended the last comparable Gilded Age, of the 1920s, and brought about major reforms in American government and business. Not so the Great Recession. Last week, as the Fed’s new growth projections downsized hope for significant decline in the unemployment rate, the Commerce Department reported that corporate profits hit a record high. Those profits aren’t trickling down into new jobs or into higher salaries for those not in the executive suites. And the prospect of serious regulation of those at the top of the top — the financial sector — is even more of a fantasy in the new Congress than it was in its predecessor.
Last year was out first year for having a house to put Christmas lights out. We did a fairly nice display. Unfortunately, we shorted out a number of those long-lasting LED strands, and I thought I’d post a warning about them to the nice folks on the blog:
No matter how long-lived a bulb is, it is not protected from corrosion in the socket. While LEDs are sturdier than comparable incandescent strands, don’t clip them to your gutter. Hang them underneath.
Particularly if your gutters are clogged with the muck of years.
Heh. We had an unusually wet year last year, and I hadn’t managed to clean the gutters very well (pregnant!) so there was a waterfall effect going on. There were actual rust streaks down the affected strands.
We’re going to be doing some salvage work on the strands, starting with fuses and going from there. Worst comes to worst, I’ll have a lot of white and blue LEDs. I’m sure I can figure out some sort of hack with them.
Update: Only one strand was not fixable, and that one had no fewer than two dozen corroded bulbs. The rest required either a few bulb replacements, new fuses, or just to not be connected to the bad strands.
To take advantage of the free land in Marne, applicants need only to submit a proposed floor plan for the house they want to build. It’s not restrictive, but Baxter notes that it must be within reason– no trailer homes, no horses or livestock. Among the unreasonable proposals for the land: “They want to bring a camper in hogs, or store junk there.”
In an upscale enclave in the San Fernando Valley, there’s a new neighbor on the block. He drives a big Mercedes, sometimes a fancy SUV and residents say he’s been living in a three-story mansion, which was empty and going into foreclosure.
His name is Dawud Walli, and neighbors say he moved into a huge empty home last July, furnishing nearly every room of the house.
“We feel unsafe. We can’t sleep. We have families,” say some of the residents who live nearby.
First Hungary, then Ireland, and now France are seizing private pension funds as a finger-in-the-dike measure to pay off the bankers and ensure a comfortable retirement for politicians and public sector workers. Look for Wall Street’s Establishment GOP political action arm to faciliate a looting binge of private pension funds, before a resurgent DNC can raid those same accounts to fund its ever-growing votes-for-entitlements schemes.
The Federal Reserve represents global banking interests who have overstepped their legal authority. Their Quantitative Easing program is an explicit violation of the Constitution. By deliberately devaluing the dollar and causing the price of basic necessities to rise, the Federal Reserve is, as a matter of strategic policy, sacrificing a significant percentage of the US population for the benefit of a few global bankers. In the process, they are also igniting a global currency war that threatens the security of the American people. In clear terms, the Federal Reserve’s actions represent a declaration of war against the people of the United States.
Now that comedians like Glenn Beck, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert have demonstrated the ability to rally thousands of Americans, don’t you think it’s time to have a serious rally to restore the rule of law and the Constitution?
How much longer are we going to remain passive while global banking interests rob us of our national wealth and destroy the fabric of our society. Our nation has become a banana republic where the rule of law has become a farce and clearly doesn’t apply to one-tenth of one percent of the population. Anyone who has been paying attention realizes that an organized criminal operation has taken over the United States.
The collapse of the housing market was the result of organized criminal activity, from top to bottom. The people who committed the largest financial crime in the history of the United States were rewarded with trillions of dollars in national wealth, and continue to be rewarded as this criminal activity continues unabated.
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The Federal Reserve represents global banking interests who have overstepped their legal authority. Their Quantitative Easing program is an explicit violation of the Constitution.
Under government mortgage bailout/modification programs, the mortgage payments of many delinquent borrowers were cut to 31 percent of income, even for borrowers with high incomes and big houses. That cut was based on the false assumption that anything over that percentage was unaffordable (and perhaps even predatory lending). But people often pay far more than that in rent and mortgage payments, especially in prosperous regions like Washington, D.C. So mortgage deadbeats are sometimes getting their payments cut well below what their responsible neighbors have to pay — not merely getting relief from a bad deal.
“One in five renters and one in seven homeowners in the Washington area spend more than half their income on housing, according to census figures,” notes a recent Washington Post story. Much of the population in the counties surrounding Washington, D.C. spent more than 30 percent: “In Fairfax County, for example, more than half the renters with household incomes of $50,000 to $75,000 spent more than 30 percent of their income last year to keep a roof over their heads,” as did “more than six out of 10 homeowners in that income bracket in Prince George’s and Prince William counties,” and “more than half” in Washington, D.C. itself.
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It’s an unsettling time to be shopping for a home. Home values have yet to stabilize in three-quarters of U.S. metropolitan areas. Alarm about so-called robo-signing of foreclosure paperwork has raised fundamental questions about who owns a property’s title. And, while unlikely, two bipartisan commissions have suggested capping or killing the previously sacrosanct tax deductibility of mortgage interest.
As a result, home shoppers are being forced to accept a more traditional view of a real estate purchase: seeing their new home more as a savings account than as an investment. That represents a switch from how many owners thought during the go-go years of surging home prices and easy money, says Stan Humphries, chief economist of real estate information and listings website Zillow. “It’s essentially a forced savings plan, putting aside a percentage of your income into a savings account that is a non-depreciating asset in typical times,” he says.
Of course, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. From the 1950s through the mid-1990s, home values appreciated 2 percent to 4 percent a year, on average, just beating the rate of inflation. The challenge is that Humphries also thinks home values won’t bottom nationally until June 2011 at the earliest. Even when home values bottom out, Humphries expects an L-shaped bottom. His grim outlook is based on the fact that 23.2 percent of single-family homes across the U.S. had negative equity in the third quarter—which means high foreclosure rates will likely persist, while underlying demand for housing remains weaker due to high unemployment. The Obama Administration doesn’t expect unemployment to return to a normal range, below 6 percent, until 2015, according to the Office of Management and Budget’s mid-session review released in July.
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A short sale allows people to sell their homes for less than they owe.
By Catherine Reagor, The Arizona Republic
PHOENIX — Some former homeowners who went through short sales to avoid foreclosure are finding they are still in debt to their lenders.
Because the short-sale concept, which allows people to sell their homes for less than they owe, is designed specifically to help homeowners avoid having to pay their lenders more money, some sellers have been careful to negotiate their deals so the lender, by contract, can’t later seek payment. Those who haven’t done so are at risk.
“I know that there is a great deal of confusion and uncertainty about this issue,” said Michelle Lind, general counsel for the Arizona Association of Realtors. In Arizona, many people thought they were covered by a law that bars lenders from seeking payment from a borrower after foreclosure if a bank cannot sell a property for as much as was owed.
“The law is unclear,” she said, “and there are many variables that factor in.”
Tricia Goldblatt sold her Phoenix home through a short sale last year after losing her job as an executive assistant at an engineering firm. A few months ago, she started receiving calls from a collection agency.
“They are telling me I owe $10,000. I did a short sale to get out from under my mortgage,” she said. “I don’t have that money. I had to move in with my mom.”
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“But the collection agency said it bought the note on her home-equity loan from her lender and wants to be paid.”
Sorry ’bout that home-equity loan, sweetie. You had your fun, and you have to pay for it. Did you really think the taxpayers should absorb your fun ticket?
Some of my relatives have recently scored some pretty good home purchases along the Wasatch Front. The latest:
BIL bought himself a 4000 sq ft short sale home (reportedly one of many recent short sales) for $240,000. If my math is right, that works out to $60/sq ft.
As the announcers often said during the world cup, GOOOOOOAAAAALLLLLLL!!!
“I am required to bring this case to a conclusion. I am setting the date of foreclosure for January 12. I wish you well,” the duty judge told Anthony Bell, who was soaking up his tears with the last tissue from a box placed in front of him at courtroom 58 of the Duval County Courthouse.
After eight minutes, that was the end of case 5543, “Wells Fargo Bank versus Anthony Bell”, for a property in Orange Park, Jacksonville.
In October 2009, Mr Bell, a manager at McDonald’s, the restaurant chain, stopped making payments on his mortgage after his wife lost her job with Citibank. “I’ve been devastated,” Mr Bell said.
He has enough reasons to be. In April his wife died of a heart attack (financial stress “was consuming her”) and in July the bank entered the default notice on his house. “The bank was just interested in getting some money back. And the judge, well, he needed to get my case out of the way as quickly as possible,” Mr Bell said as he left the courthouse.
After dismissing Mr Bell, the judge began signing off on uncontested home repossession cases as fast as his clerk could pile up the folders, sometimes less than a minute per file. Thousands of cases are awaiting judgment and more are filed each day.
“We are overbooked, just like airlines,” the judge, who declined to be named, told the Financial Times afterwards.
The report found that loans insured before 2009 are responsible for 70 percent of the expected single-family FHA loan losses. Even though they are now prohibited, “seller-financed downpayment assistance loans” produced $6.6 billion in claims to date with the FHA, and may ultimately cost the agency approximately $13.6 billion. Without these seller-financed loans, FHA’s capital ratio would be above the congressionally-mandated two percent threshold.
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Those who hope to fulfill the dream of owning their first home were given an edge this week when Nassau County Executive Edward P. Mangano announced a new program that will provide down payment assistance.
“There are few things more gratifying in life than owning your first home,” said Mangano. “One of those things is being able to help others realize that dream. Nassau is doing just that with the HOME program.”
The 2010-2011 HOME Down Payment Assistance Program will help first-time buyers who qualify with up to $20,000 in assistance toward a down payment. One requirement for those who apply is to contribute a minimum of $3,000 toward the down payment. The program is being run in conjunction with the Long Island Housing Partnership (LIHP). The monies are being granted to the county by the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).
“The Long Island Housing Partnership is pleased to continue our partnership with Nassau County in providing down payment assistance to first time homebuyers,” said LIHP President Peter Elkowitz. “I would like to thank County Executive Mangano for the opportunity to implement this worthwhile program and we look forward to working with Nassau County on bringing the American Dream of home ownership to the residents of the county.”
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The U.S. home-ownership rate remained at a 10-year low in the quarter ended Sept. 30, in part because of rising foreclosures, the U.S. Census Bureau reported. Photographer: Jim R. Bounds/Bloomberg
Nov. 17 (Bloomberg) — Home ownership may be falling out of reach for more Americans as lenders toughen their standards for Federal Housing Administration-insured loans beyond what the agency itself requires.
Mortgage lenders including Wells Fargo & Co. and Bank of America Corp., the two largest, have raised the minimum credit score on FHA-insured loans that they will buy to 640 from 620. About 6.3 million people fall within that range, according to FICO, which created the formula for the ratings.
The higher hurdles for FHA loans, used in about a fifth of U.S. home purchases, add to challenges for a housing market already struggling with record-low sales and surging foreclosures. While lax lending fueled the bust that led the U.S. into recession, the new requirements will stifle the real estate recovery needed to revive the economy, said Ron Phipps, president of the National Association of Realtors.
“We’ve gone from silly to stupid,” Phipps, principal partner of Phipps Realty Inc., said in a telephone interview from his home in Warwick, Rhode Island. “People who should be getting credit can’t get it. To have a healthy real estate market, you need activity. You need transactions.”
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A one-month price decline of 0.8% occurs at an annualized rate of ((1-0.008)^12-1)*100 = -9.2%.
market pulse
Nov. 28, 2010, 7:01 p.m. EST
British house prices down 0.8% in Nov.: Hometrack
By William L. Watts
LONDON (MarketWatch) — The average British house price fell 0.8% in November as demand faltered, property-analysis firm Hometrack said Monday. The firm’s national housing survey found a 4.3% drop in demand in November, the fifth consecutive monthly decline and the largest fall since January 2009. “Concerns over the economic outlook on the back of recent spending cuts together with widespread expectations that house prices are set for a period of retrenchment, are driving the continued weakness in demand,” said Richard Donnell, research director at Hometrack.
WASHINGTON | The jobs crisis has brought an unwelcome discovery for many unemployed Americans: Job openings in their old fields exist. Yet they no longer qualify for them.
They’re running into a trend that took root during the recession. Companies became more productive by doing more with fewer workers. Some asked staffers to take on a broader array of duties - duties that used to be spread among multiple jobs. Now, someone who hopes to get those jobs must meet the new requirements.
As a result, some database administrators now have to manage network security.
Accountants must do financial analysis to find ways to cut costs.
Factory assembly workers need to program computers to run machinery.
The broader responsibilities mean it’s harder to fill many of the jobs that are open these days. It helps explain why many companies complain they can’t find qualified people for certain jobs, even with 4.6 unemployed Americans, on average, competing for each opening. By contrast, only 1.8 people, on average, were vying for each job opening before the recession.
This is especially true in IT. The field changes so fast that your skills can become outdated quickly.
During my last bout of unemployment, I was frustrated by the knowledge that every day I wasn’t working and my competition was, was a day that they were gaining experience and I wasn’t.
And the advice to reinvent yourself means you are starting at the bottom again.
Banks can fail and life does not end in fact citizens maybe better off
“Iceland’s President Olafur R. Grimsson said his country is better off than Ireland thanks to the government’s decision to allow the banks to fail two years ago and because the krona could be devalued.
“The difference is that in Iceland we allowed the banks to fail,” Grimsson said in an interview with Bloomberg Television’s Mark Barton today. “These were private banks and we didn’t pump money into them in order to keep them going; the state did not shoulder the responsibility of the failed private banks.”
“How far can we ask ordinary people — farmers and fishermen and teachers and doctors and nurses — to shoulder the responsibility of failed private banks,” said Grimsson. “That question, which has been at the core of the Icesave issue, will now be the burning issue in many European countries.”
“How far can we ask ordinary people — farmers and fishermen and teachers and doctors and nurses — to shoulder the responsibility of failed private banks,”
This would be a very good question for Washington, DC policymakers to answer, as well.
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I was looking at comps in my current ‘hood, and the last sale (one month ago) was $207 for a 2/1.5. When I factor in TI on my rental (3/2), I’d say a fair price would be about $120k — that would keep the payment around $1,100.
I still can’t believe the prices people are getting, not to mention I am STILL surrounded by abandoned houses, and those aren’t even on the property appraiser’s radar yet.
Hey Muggy,
Most folks are sure that the good old days are just around the corner, at least for them. Houses and land for sale everywhere up here and precious few “buyers”. Prices have yet to have a waterfall moment. I’ve rented a room on the upper floor to watch what floats by in the spring thaw. No doomstead for me.
“Most folks are sure that the good old days are just around the corner”
That’s exactly it, people are expecting the good old days of easy money to return. When I tell them it isn’t going to happen I am told that I’m “negative”, that I’m a “half empty glass type”, etc.
“doomstead”—GREAT word, Blue!
“a waterfall moment”…as in Niagara?
+1 blue
Several years ago there was an AP photo of some wackedout Kayaker setting the “highest drop” record of a near 134’ from some waterfall in South America.
There he was,…2/3 of the way down , vertical, and trying to adjust for the bottom.
..and there I am! Just like Mr.Damn D Fates, I too feel like I’m in a kayak (The SS.Zeus) about 2/3 of the way down a steep real-estate waterfall. But, ya’know, it’s not really too bad. From here, the view is awesome and the howling mist on my face is refreshing.
However, I’m not eagerly anticipating the events likely to happen when gravity yields.
I only wish that the large foreheads of “Mr.Hanky” Paulsen and Osama Bin Berhanki could soften the craft’s impact.
I’ve watched quite a few properties come on in the last week. That’s not normal. Usually between Thanksgiving and Christmas they’re pulled off. My curiousity is definitely piqued. Something’s up. Quite a few are empty.
Evil doc, how’re the numbers on that side of town? SU guy, not sure where you’re watching but what’s your perspective?
Carrie Anne we lease 4 properties and recently I bought a commercial property in Dewitt. I have been very busy with renovation such as adding another office and replacing a kitchen. The place we got is beautiful in the Carrier Circle area. So I have not been paying much attention to residential real estate lately. I can tell you this much that when you start renovating money flows thru your hands like water.
The troublesome spots in commercial real-estate that I am seeing is that most vacant buildings had some sort of a housing related business in them i.e. roofing companies, heating and air conditioning, landscaping, tile companies, electric, portable potties, Kitchen and bathrooms, Janitorial, printing etc. These companies probable won’t recover not in the short run. The owners are beginning to see the writing on the wall and have begun the process to lease or sell the buildings. Most of these buildings will never rent or sell in my opinion. We don’t need to sell as we will shift operations from a leased building to the one I own and expand the product line. In our case the rent versus buy works out great.
SUGUY, when will you move your business into the building? How much will it save you per year and in the long run?
“I’ve watched quite a few properties come on in the last week. That’s not normal. Usually between Thanksgiving and Christmas they’re pulled off.”
Two new REOs went on the market in my hood this week. That’s on top of the other two REOs already on the market. I didn’t do the research yet, but I’m guessing it could be the result of banks re-starting those sales after the October moratorium, or due to the recent encouragement by Fannie/Freddie to get these to market quicker.
Your’re right though… this is an interesting time of year to see new inventory.
“…surrounded by abandoned houses, and those aren’t even on the property appraiser’s radar yet.”
Out of mind, out of sight…
My comments on long island yesterday reflect a similar sentiment. Things still seem out of whack here, prices barely down compared to most places.
The other economy which is recovering (for the rich) seems to think that the 2nd economy (for the rest of us) which is not recovering, is still allowing people to have disposable or discretionary income.
“This buyers’ market, it turns out, is hell for renters like us”
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/realestate/in-tampa-bay-areas-buyers-market-rental-pickings-are-slim/1136655
In Tampa Bay area’s buyers’ market, rental pickings are slim
Rental pickings are slim because there are soooo many victims living for freeeee. Not to mention the LLs collecting rent and not paying their mortgage. Talked to a woman yesterday who lives in a nice community, her neighbor who bought at the peak and then took another $190k out a year later in 06 has not payed his mortgage in over 2 years. She ran into him at Ace Hardware where she was buying a couple of gallons of paint for her kids room and he was buying a very expensive gas grill. Then he got into his 8 month old BMW and went home. No I didn`t ask her how he got the grill home.
Interesting. There are plenty of rentals available in my neck of the woods. The house next door didn’t sell after 6+ months on the market. It’s been unoccupied for about 2-3 moths now and it just grew a “For lease” sign. I’ve seen a few “For rent/lease” signs pop up during the daily dog walk.
FWIW, I don’t know of anyone out here “living for free”. From what I’ve heard through my grapvine most folks out here are evicted after 6 months (they also leave before the Sheriff has to show up).
Then again, this is in my little neck of the woods. I have no idea of what its like in big, bad Denver.
In some places, the shadow inventory is artificially propping up rents. I think that may have been part of the “plan”. Not only do they think they can slow down foreclosures, but they also think they can slow down rent decreases. “Keep ‘em empty”, that’s the refrain. But the hard part is to keep ‘em dry, unmolested, uninfested, and standing upright.
I can’t remember what novel it was where the guy went on a monolog about houses standing upright. They were supposed to stand upright just like a man, because men were supposed to live in them (kinda sexist dude, but I guess we get your point). Then he went on about how you can’t put a house on a road because that ruins the whole thing. It makes it like a journey to get there or a destination instead of just being a place where you stay. Anyway, here’s my totally cockamamie HBB interpretation of it:
A house was meant to be upright, but if no one is living in it, then it will fall down. Also, if people are always moving and can’t really just live in their house and on their farm, then the house is just a place to sleep. That’s why banks should people their houses in an expiditious manner. Need to get those people in and out and off to the next one, post haste.
“In some places, the shadow inventory is artificially propping up rents.”
Absolutely. But note that this would not be possible with a competitive banking system. Only because so much real estate wealth and control is concentrated in the hands of a few Wall Street banks is such coordinated withholding of inventory from the market possible to execute.
I am also convinced that banks are holding onto land, keeping it off the market in an effort to maintain high prices. There is no other explanation for the dearth of land for sale.
“There is no other explanation for the dearth of land for sale.”
Uncle Sam owns a great deal of land in the West which, so far as I am aware, is not available for sale to you or me.
“This land is your land,
This land is my land,
From California
To the New York Island.
From the redwood forest,
To the Gulf Stream waters,
This land, was made for you and me.”
– Woodie Guthrie –
Federal Lands in the US
Frank Jacobs on June 16, 2008, 8:23 PM
The United States government has direct ownership of almost 650 million acres of land (2.63 million square kilometers) – nearly 30% of its total territory. These federal lands are used as military bases or testing grounds, nature parks and reserves and indian reservations, or are leased to the private sector for commercial exploitation (e.g. forestry, mining, agriculture). They are managed by different administrations, such as the Bureau of Land Management, the US Forest Service, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, the National Park Service, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the US Department of Defense, the US Army Corps of Engineers, the US Bureau of Reclamation or the Tennessee Valley Authority.
This map details the percentage of state territory owned by the federal government. The top 10 list of states with the highest percentage of federally owned land looks like this:
1. Nevada 84.5%
2. Alaska 69.1%
3. Utah 57.4%
4. Oregon 53.1%
5. Idaho 50.2%
6. Arizona 48.1%
7. California 45.3%
8. Wyoming 42.3%
9. New Mexico 41.8%
10. Colorado 36.6%
…
“This land is your land,
Another verse:
In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office - I see my people
And some are grumblin’ and some are wonderin’
If this land’s still made for you and me.
How do people do it stand in line for days for black friday sales and i have to scrimp to pay this months rent….what do they have that I don’t?
……..a clueless mind? cheer me up guys and gals..
“….what do they have that I don’t?”
A mortgage that has not been paid in over 2 years on a house that is 100`s of thousands of $ upside down.
There, feel better?
Exactly. When you stop making mortgage payments you suddenly have a lot more disposable income for consumer electronics and such. But never forget, these are victims. The MSM says so.
my neighbor hasnt made a payment since feb 2008.UPS man shows up everyday with a package for him.
my neighbor hasnt made a payment since feb 2008.UPS man shows up everyday with a package for him.
Packages? What’s he building in there??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMqxNPsfN50
(a funny Tom Waits “song”)
‘What’s he building in there?’
I’ll tell you one thing- he’s not building a playhouse for the children..
Why is it again that renters who stop paying their monthly nut are summarily thrown out on the street, but mortgagees who stop making payments are given years of forbearance? The inequity of the system is bothersome…
PB
You’re spot on. Indeed, the inequity of the system is just wrong. Not just for us post homeowners awaiting an re-entry point again, but as a saver, little or no debt, and as a solid citizen (oh sorry, I mean “consumer). I feel like amoral has won. I better start thinking differently, as I am sick of being punished.
“I better start thinking differently, as I am sick of being punished.”
It’s easy. Repeat after me: “How much a month?”
See, that was easy.
In Colorado
We’re a cash deal for our final home, and are making zlich on our saving (s/b a minimum of $20,000/yr Interest Income) and live among low functioning scum. I feel betrayed.
So Ca hit 36 degrees in our area last night. I bet that’s not too cold to you.
Up here in Sacramento prices went up a little bit in the good neighborhoods over the summer. Very annoying. I’m waiting for the next crash.
We’ve had frost overnight. Our tangerines are looking ok for now (yum).
FWIW, in my neck of the woods the lines don’t start to form until late Thursday night. Maybe folks in Larimer county know that their time is worth more than saving $200 on TV. It can also get pretty cold here, so that might be a local discouragement as well.
As for what you are seeing … a lot of kids get the whole week off from school … so maybe they are the ones camping out … who knows?
“…what do they have that I don’t”
Maybe it’s what you have and they don’t.
“…I have to scrimp to pay this month’s rent.”
Aha, now maybe we are getting to it. If you have to pay rent and they don’t then you don’t get to splurge at Walmart and they do.
Whatever you are paying for rent is “wasted”; The rent money just goes to enrich your landlord. If you would instead DOUBLE-UP - or even TRIPLE-UP - and share housing expenses with somebody else then you could save on a lot of otherwise-wasted rent money that you could use to buy lotsa Walmart junk.
Even better: If you have a mortgage then you can just stop making payments altogether and take ALL of your housing-expense money to Walmart and buy even more junk.
They have $200 left on their credit line and are going to put this Found Money to work.
I think they must be very brave (or stupid). Your shelter is there to protect you from the elements, from hostile beasts, and from OTHER PEOPLE. And no, the other mommies in line cannot protect you in the middle of the night, especially with someone else’s hand over your mouth. Totally a dumb thing to do.
Without “dumb” our consumer driven economy would fail.
Then again, with “dumb”, it will eventually anyway.
But you can’t fix stupid.
It might be that you need a makeover in appearance? Or that you need to play more popular songs? Or a willingness to work for new low wages? I donno DJ, but maybe you need to act like a dumb schmuck just to get a job and pay the bills, I don’t know. Separate your smarts from your past successes. I wish you the best of luck and hope you see this comment. Lavish parties are a thing of the past at this point, and competition is fierce. Let’s talk sometime.
Lavish parties…not sure … But i know the high school reunion biz has tanked….click on my handle for some good music
Black Friday shoppers trampled in New York
(CNN) — Several Black Friday shoppers eager to get great holiday deals were trampled Friday morning as they surged through store doors in North Buffalo, New York.
CNN affiliate WIVB had a camera inside the Target and captured the drama. People at the front of their line were pushed to the floor when doors opened. The commotion and screams drew additional store staff to sort the crowd out.
One shopper, bent over in pain, continued into the store.
Keith Krantz told WIVB that he was pinned against a metal door support and was shoved to the ground. Shoppers went over him until staff pulled him to safety. “At that moment I was thinking I don’t want to die here on the ground,” he said.
Krantz, who said he suffers from a herniated disc, said he was given X-rays and painkillers at a local hospital.
CNN was unable to reach Krantz Friday night. It was not clear from the video if others were hurt. Target declined to comment on whether there were injuries.
“It went from controlled to a mob in less than five minutes,” shopper Rich Mathewson told WIVB. “And then it just got nasty.”
Several people had cut into the line, angering the crowd, Mathewson said.
“The safety of our guests and team members is a top priority,” Target spokeswoman Jessica Carlson said in a statement issued to CNN. “We take this incident very seriously. Target plans well in advance of Black Friday and employs numerous crowd management tactics to prevent incidents. We continually analyze and improve those plans, and will do so in this case, to help ensure a safe and enjoyable shopping experience.”
Target would not comment further on details of the incident.
“Target, we’ve got your back.”
Lines of shame?
All this to save $200 on a TV? No thanks! I slept in Friday and had a nice breakfast while I read the paper.
Krantz is clearly an imbecile.
“Black Friday shoppers trampled in New York”
The annual Running of the Fools.
I had to work at a large factory for a few years this decade. Most of the employees were poorly educated, young, temp/contract. When it came time to clock out, it was a mob scene. They were pushing and shoving to be the first to clock out.
I also blame the supervisor for not enforcing basic manners.
Bored? Google News “Wal Mart” arrests. Be prepared for stereotypes.
Yep, I went to a Black Friday sale and a hockey game broke out.
“…….you’re not even a mob…….a mob has a leader. You are a herd.”
They remind me of rats in a maze. I mean isn’t that the point? The best deals are in the back of the store. On the way shoppers are tempted w/all sorts of other offers. The satisfaction of scoring the sale item just reminds me too much of the Skinner box. The frustration when the item’s not there is too much like what I observed when we produced the extinction response in the rat.
They were doing interviews on the local news last night. They interviewed three sisters, who said that camping out overnight in front of Best Buy was becoming a “family tradition”.
Keep me the fook away from that family.
And these were upper-middle class/college-educated sisters, not the stereotypical trailer-ghetto trash Walmart customers. (They probably work in health care, or in state/local government, which is the only growth industry in these parts).
Hypocritical statement of the day:
“White House says WikiLeaks putting ‘lives at risk’ ”
Something about the pot calling the kettle, uh,….
The MSM is there to protect you, just like your Realtor.
uh,……..one of the darkest colors of that beautiful rainbow?
“A Webster resident, he’s also part of a quickly growing demographic. Across the country, as the Great Recession has clawed away at the jobs and livelihoods of millions, poverty has been creeping into the suburbs. The Rochester area has been hit harder than most, as more than half of the region’s poor now live outside the city.”
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20101128/NEWS01/11280355/Poverty-moving-into-Rochester-s-suburbs
Sounds like higher house prices would help this man.
Rochester… where?
Yet according to John Boehner, we need to cut corporate tax rates for these poor, struggling victims. John Boehner wants to cut you to the ground, America.
Corporate Profits Were the Highest on Record Last Quarter
The nation’s workers may be struggling, but American companies just had their best quarter ever.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/business/economy/24econ.html
we have the 2nd highest corp tax rates in the world.
we do need to cut them if we want buisness in this country.
better yet we should eliminate them. taxes are paid by consumers not corporations.
Corporate taxes could be cut to ZERO and offshoring would continue at full steam. Don’t kid yourself.
Corporate America LOVES slave cheap labor. And the the truth is even if slavery were legal in America it would probably still be cheaper to offshore the jobs.
Give them a tax rebate if they prove they created a job in America .
As long as the Corporations aren’t really even American Companies anymore in terms of their work force than its
just BS .
Job creation tax credits are just about the hardest think in the world to administer fairly. They sound great, but it just doesn’t work. If something is impossible to administer, then it is better to skip it.
I might be OK with reducing corporate tax rates if we tried on a few changes in the calculation of corporate profit like making taxable income the same as the income they report to their investors and use to calculate executive compensation. Getting rid of loss carry backs and carry forwards is worth looking at too.
Polly if we eliminated corp income taxes there would be no loss carry forward or back……that alone should make for some interesting business decisions.
“…if we tried on a few changes in the calculation of corporate profit like making taxable income the same as the income they report to their investors and use to calculate executive compensation.”
Now that’s just crazy talk.
You’ve got a good point there, Polly. I saw something last year that listed that actual percentage of corporate income collected as taxes in various countries. It shoed that the US was actually somehwere in the middle of the G7 countries. So saying that our corporate tax rates are the highest is misleading.
It’s also misleading because corporations in the US don’t have to pay bribes, they don’t have to pay for private security forces, they don’t have to build their own roads, and they get the benefit of tax-funded education for their workers.
In my opinion jobs are created by demand and not tax incentives. Tax incentives are seen as more money for the business owners.
“…if we tried on a few changes in the calculation of corporate profit like making taxable income the same as the income they report to their investors and use to calculate executive compensation. Getting rid of loss carry backs and carry forwards is worth looking at too.”
What are you?! Some kinda dang socialeest/commie?!
I’ll bet yer against the “free market” too, ain’t cha?
Business owners for the most part view their employees the same way plantation owners viewed their slaves. Or how the Nazis viewed their Russian prisoners of war……use them up as much as you can, and don’t invest anything in them, so you can throw them away when they become economically unviable.
This BS you hear about “employees are our most valuable asset” is Human Resources BS/propaganda, to keep the serfs from revolting, or worse, organizing a union.
The real test of how much an employer “values” you is your pay grade, pure and simply.
The problem for a lot of us is that our value can’t be easily determined by a spreadsheet, which is the only thing the “Masters of the Universe” understand. Our “value” isn’t apparant until things start blowing up in people’s faces.
Exhibit A: My former employer giving me the boot last year, without a severance or my accrued vacation, or keeping me on some kind of retainer until they got their airplane sold. Because I wasn’t there to either take care of the airplane, or keep the logbooks in order, they took a $200,000 plus hit on their resale, when they sold the airplane earlier this year.
(Got a call in June from their sales broker wanting info/help with the sale. Needless to say, I wasn’t very interested).
Coporate tax rates, probably. But when you get done with
salaries
bonuses
Zurich
Cayman
“charity” which is little more than advertising
loopholes large enough to hang around the neck of the entire middle class
then how many taxes are these companies paying…really? And tax rates were higher under Clinton, yet hiring continued apace. How do you explain this Charlie, you paid shill?
on one hand you argue that the corp taxes are a farse due to loopholes and on the other you argue that hiring continued under higher rates.
didn’t the clinton hiring continue due to the dot com bubble?
how about we get rid of the loopholes and get rid of the double taxation (corp tax) ?
i just heard warren buffet in the background say he pays 16% courtesy of loopholes provided by the congress.
i’m no shill (but thanks for the name calling) just a very small businessman struggling to get by in this economy.
just a very small businessman struggling to get by in this economy ??
And struggling mightily given the business that your in I suspect…Hang in there Tango…
I’ll have some sympathy for you if you’re really a small business. But at the moment I don’t want to believe you simply because your posts are a regurgitation of dittohead talking points and little else.
That said, it’s true that small businesses receive the shaft, even though they are the job creators. It’s the big multinationals that are the culprit here. They are ones exporting thousands upon thousands of jobs because it’s cost effective for them. This forces small business to go down. As housing wiz says, that’s the logical end of capitalism: monopoly; where economies of scale will trump the better mousetrap, if not by marketing than by purchasing a favorable regulatory and political environment down at the local Congressman store.
I’m hoping that the new health insurance law will help small businesses buy health insurance and give them an advantage or large corporations.
The “dot-com bubble” under Clinton refers to the soaring stock prices which were backed up with no assets other than an idea, a small server in a small room, and possibly a puppet mascot.* However, there were many many real jobs created from the rocketing productivity due to the rise of email and the Internet. That was NOT a bubble. Those jobs have not disappeared; they just moved to India. I always lament that it took over 40 years for the Internet to reach widespread use, but only 7-8 years to export all the jobs created from it.
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*I often joke that the dot-commers couldn’t even claim razor blades as assets. Anyone who watched those young buck dot-commers knows why.
how about we get rid of the loopholes and get rid of the double taxation (corp tax) ?
Indeed corporate taxes serve no real purpose other than to enrich accountants and lawyers. One way or another the money comes out of the pockets of individuals.
But more to the point, we need to get rid of CORPORATIONS, period. By doing this, we would start to re-emphasize productive work and healthy competition, instead of Rube Goldberg legal schemes to avoid responsibility.
I agree, Lehigh. Also what we need to get rid of is the blanket statements, for example that corporate tax rates should be lowered (only some should), or that taxes on income should be lowered (only on wage income), or that all tax increases are bad (not all are). Perhaps some sort of sliding scale on what makes a corporation “American.” Mailing address for HQ doesn’t work anymore.
As much as I rail against corps, they do, in fact serve a purpose in organizing and deploying capital for large scale projects while limiting unreasonable liability.
Where they became evil was when they were granted “personhood” 1862.
But before that, the East India Co. showed what happens when your entire government turns “corporate”… as ours has.
As much as I rail against corps, they do, in fact serve a purpose in organizing and deploying capital for large scale projects while limiting unreasonable liability.
Aha! Ecofeco revealed as an undercover corporate agent! And not even for small and medium ones, but “large scale” corps! I knew the truth would come out.
But why don’t we just have all large scale projects done by the government? Or better yet, forget about the Tower-of-Babel boondoggles and focus on small communities and real people?
Actually, the large projects ARE all done by the government and then handed off to either local governments or businesses.
Power grid. Internet. Hydroelectric. Interstate. Aeronautics. Aerospace. Nuclear science. The list is VERY long.
So why do we need corporations again?
To keep the rich distracted with fighting among themselves instead of actually putting chains on ALL of us.
Seriously, we don’t NEED corporations, it’s just the only structure we’ve been able to come up with in the last 200 years that doesn’t involve rich people using private armies to divvy up the spoils.
we have the 2nd highest corp tax rates in the world.
Actually no, and not even close.
Fact: U.S. effective corporate tax rate significantly lower than its statutory rate…
…according to an August 2008 report by the Government Accountability Office (GAO): “Statutory tax rates do not provide a complete measure of the burden that a tax system imposes on business income because many other aspects of the system, such as exemptions, deferrals, tax credits, and other forms of incentives, also determine the amount of tax a business ultimately pays on its income.” …
…Fact: World Bank study found U.S. effective corporate tax rate lower than those of several industrialized nations
…the World Bank-International Finance Corp. estimated that the United States has a lower effective rate of current corporate tax than that of several other nations, including Germany, Canada, India, China, Brazil, Japan, and Italy. The publication also included a figure that compared effective and statutory corporate tax rates for several G-8 and BRIC [Brazil, Russia, India, China] countries:
http://mediamatters.org/research/201004260006
“we have the 2nd highest corp tax rates in the world.”
…on PAPER ONLY. Most large corporations pay NO TAXES.
Secondly, you’ve also shown you know nothing about business tax laws. The most basic of which is that if you can show, on paper, that you broke even or lost money for the year, you do not have to pay business income tax.
Why yes, there is a way to show both a profit and loss at the same time. Legally.
the only way you can show a profit and a loss at the same time is by keeping 2 sets of books.
legally? don’t think so.
you say i know nothing, i know this much, if you prosper in a small business ( i own and operate 2 small businesses for 3 decades)then you pay taxes as a result. many think you can show paper losses and make that reality go away which isn’t quite right. in most cases you can defer the tax liability into the future and what a time bomb that creates.
currently i own an asset that i can no longer afford, but the paper losses came in the form of accelerated depreciation. now i can’t afford to sell it because it would represent profit and create tax liability beyond what i would receive for the asset.
So, you are saying that you depreciated your loss on paper more quickly that the actual rate of depreciation, and the tax man would make you pay that money back if you sold it now for more than what you said it was worth?
And how does your experience as a small-business owner relate to corporate taxes? You don’t pay corporate taxes.
The rules are little different if you are a single owner private, non-corp business.
The break even/loss exemption still applies, but you don’t get to legally keep two sets of books like corps do.
See polly’s reply above about taxable income calculations and loss carry backs and carry forwards for a glimpse of the game.
Then there is the oldest game of spending the net before the end of your fiscal year.
“we have the 2nd highest corp tax rates in the world.”
Nice try but that one is plain out false and you won’t get away with it here.
Last year, the Fortune 20 paid an effective tax rate of….. ready????
ZERO.
The fact is that the tax code is rife with loopholes bought and paid for by the corporate elite to benefit the corporate elite.
And over half of foreign corps operating here paid the same thing.
“Corporate Profits Were the Highest on Record Last Quarter”
Well sure, if you were allowed to “call” bad debts good, count losses as gains and calculate trash as treasure, you too could have a record year.
Oh, oops, you’d have to be a financial company in the Age of Legal Fraud first.
Remember: Any losses go to the stinky little people; any gains to the Wonderful Wizards of Wall Street (and their deserving friends).
Poll: Most Irish want banks to pay for EU bailout
DUBLIN (AP) — A new poll indicates that most Irish people want the world’s banks to take a share of losses as part of a massive EU-IMF bailout of Ireland.
The Sunday Independent poll in Dublin says 57 percent favor a loan deal that requires senior lenders to Irish banks — chiefly other banks in Britain, Germany and the United States — to suffer partial write-offs on their investments.
The remaining 43 percent polled agree with the existing European Union policy that defaulting on debts would cause unacceptable shockwaves in global banking. The paper said results were based on phone polling of 500 people, with a 3 percent margin of error.
On Sunday, finance ministers from across the 27-nation EU are meeting in Brussels to discuss a draft loan agreement for Ireland for a reported euro85 billion ($112.5 billion), nine-year loan from EU and International Monetary Fund donors.
Um, yeah. And polls showed something like 90% of Americans were opposed to TARP, which didn’t stop Wall Street’s Republicrat whores on Capital Hill from pushing it through anyway.
Didnt congress vote it down the first time and then bush gave the money to goldman anyway?
Biggest scam in US history.People who created the problem get bonuses and bailouts while the avg joe gets to spend xmas sleeping in his car.We have major issues in this country right now.
“We have major issues in this country right now.”
I mean REALLY MAJOR issues that are more important than the Wall St. crooks — like the fact that Willie Nelson smokes pot and a dangerous criminal like him should be taken off the streets immediately before he hurts someone!
“Biggest scam in US history.”
Also among the most underreported…
I don’t remember them voting it down. They simply didn’t give it to him within his stated 3-day time frame. Remember? Bush came out on TV and told the world that “The entire global financial system will implode within three days if this bill isn’t passed”. Then, like three days later, Congress took a break or something. I was hoping they wouldn’t pass it, but they did, after a few more days.
I was like “Um. It’s been three days now, you can call his bluff”. But they did it anyway.
I don’t remember them voting it down.
What I remember is the House voted it down the first time with more Republicans voting no than Democrats then they went home for a long weekend to “talk to their constituents” and the in the meantime the stock market crashed and when they came back, the House re-voted and then passed it.
Blackmail I think.
The average Joe voted in the Republicrat whores and swindlers who have sold their souls to the banksters. The average Joe is still too stupid to understand the connection between his poor voting choices and serf-like apathy and the systemic asset-stripping of the productive classes in this country. The average Joe is getting what he deserves.
“A new poll indicates that most Irish people want the world’s banks to take a share of losses as part of a massive EU-IMF bailout of Ireland.”
That would be a good start, but I would like to see this movement go much further. In particular, business records of major banks suspected in perpetrating the housing debacle should be subpoenaed, and banks determined to have deliberately set up households (in whatever country) for financial collapse due to poorly underwritten loans should be forced to pay reimbursement for the economic damage they have created.
If this drives major lending institutions out of business, all the better.
The choir sings. Let them go under. Short term
pain is better than a fatal disease.
from Spiegel
In the middle of Europe’s crisis, the former image of the ugly German — all-powerful and arrogant — has returned. Groaning under the weight of the euro crisis, Ireland sees itself as a victim of German conceit. The Irish press writes of “neo-colonialism.” One of the largest newspapers in the country, the Irish Independent, quotes Fine Gael politician Michael Noonan, saying: “Can I ask whether this is what the men of 1916 died for: a bailout from the German chancellor with a few shillings of sympathy from the British chancellor on the side?”
“Can I ask whether this is what the men of 1916 died for…”
They are grasping at ancient history to find excuses for their current situation.
Easter Rising is hardly ancient history. It’s a sentiment that might surprise the soon to be German overlords. It might be entertaining when the IRA figures out what the banks have done to them.
“It might be entertaining when the IRA figures out what the banks have done to them.”
…I was about to say.
More recent history was during WWII when Éamon de Valera’s government adopted a hostile neutrality towards the UK, forbidding the Royal Navy to use the southern Irish treaty ports to fight off the Nazi submarines.
“They are grasping at ancient history to find excuses for their current situation.”
I agree.
The fighting Irish…
You rang?
I can’t help but wonder if the voters in Ireland will throw out their current government and replace it with a new one that is intent upon a default on the debts.
And once Ireland goes this way, so will Greece, then Portugal, etc..
Kind of an interesting reversal of the post-WW1 period, when Germany owed everybody else more than they could reasonably repay. The Germans opted to print their way out (rather unsuccessfully) but that option isn’t available to the Euro members.
How long will countries like Ireland put up with extreme austerity measures in order to repay the German bankers? I’m guessing not very long.
It looks like a huge game of Jenga.
Ireland is a victim of its own excess. They were quite proud of their “booming” economy, as I recall.
Yup, I recall that too. We even got a few commentators from Ireland right here on the HBB. I think it was like 2007 or 2008. I few of them wrote in to crow about the “stability” of socialist Ireland. They were going to go back home and leave all these US shenanigans behind them. Never mind the fact that they were planning on getting jobs working for US companies in Ireland. Never mind the fact that Ireland was part and parcel to the very same Globalist Banksterette Tea Party. I don’t mean to be mean, but it is a little gratifying to see Ireland finally not being “different here”.
If I had a dollar for every time a Realtor told me it wasn`t a great time to buy.
I WOULDN`T HAVE ANY MONEY AT ALL!
They are straving right now.The only thing they can do is pimp short sales.I saw a realtor at walmart the other day passing out flyers on “How to do a short sale”.
Short sales have become the meal ticket for realtors right now.
“Short sales have become the meal ticket for realtors right now.”
Ergo there must be lots of hungry UHS’s out there right now.
How about if they were REALLY honest? “How would be a great time for a commission check”
492 Days From Default to Foreclosure.
Wall Street Journal
492: The number of days since the average borrower in foreclosure last made a mortgage payment.
Banks can’t foreclose fast enough to keep up with all the people defaulting on their mortgage loans. That’s a problem, because it could make stiffing the bank even more attractive to struggling borrowers.
In recent months, the number of borrowers entering severe delinquency — meaning they missed their third monthly mortgage payment — has been on the decline, falling to about 700,000 in October, according to mortgage-data provider LPS Applied Analytics. But it’s still more than double the number of foreclosure processes started.
As a result, banks are taking progressively longer to foreclose. The average borrower in the foreclosure process hadn’t made a payment in 492 days as of the end of October, according to LPS. That compares to 382 days a year ago and a low of 244 days in August 2007.
In other words, people who default on their mortgages can reasonably expect, on average, to stay in their homes rent-free more than 16 months. In some states such as New York and Florida, the number is closer to 20 months.
That’s a meaningful incentive, and it’s likely to grow unless banks manage to boost their throughput. Speeding up the process won’t be easy, as demonstrated by the banks’ continuing legal troubles related to robo-signers, bank employees who signed foreclosure affidavits without properly checking the required loan documentation.
Millions of Americans still are paying their mortgages even though they owe more than their homes are worth. The more banks’ backlog grows, the more likely they are to join it, adding to the already giant pile of foreclosures weighing on the housing market
Do we have any solid data on whether these FB/squatters are ever going to get hit with a bill for unpaid rent? Or, if the bank forgives the amount, how about a 1099?
How about data on whether banks are concentrating their efforts on recourse or non-recourse states? Logically, you would think that banks would evict the non-recourse houses, because they can’t go after other assets later, and because they need to sell the house before it loses any more value.
“…because they need to sell the house before it loses any more value.”
Check out the Memphis Daily News story (second one I posted below) when it shows up; it cites anonymous ‘analysts’ who claim most of the shadow inventory will not go on the market for 40 months.
Is there some kind of top-down coordinated conspiracy in play to hold shadow inventory off the market? I don’t think it matters much, as U.S. housing prices are toast for the next decade or so, but I would still be very interested to know why banks would think it in their self-interest to hold on to money-losing assets for so long.
Let’s play “what if”.
What if making a profit is so far from a bank’s view that it does not even enter their discussion.
What if the top priority is avoiding getting busted for being insolvent.
What if foreclosing on a house forces asset value discovery?
What if ignoring and pretending keeps the lights on for another day?
We don’t need no stinking conspiracy.
What if the exec’s only care about prolonging their bonuses for a few more years and delaying the crash until after their retirements?
What if your competitor is unloading their REO inventory first, in order to avoid getting buried in a future price collapse; wouldn’t you want to hurry up and try to unload first?
What if top regulators in the banking system would rather coordinate withholding of inventory from the market than witness further housing price declines?
You need a huge, stinking PILE of conspiracy to pull off what’s being done today.
Rule 1 - Don’t panic.
Rule 2 - If you are going to panic, be the first to panic.
It makes no sense, in a competitive environment, for a holders of declining assets to hold on to them even longer. Makes more sense to sell them all as fast as you can.
The only way they can do this and remain competitive is if they are playing footsie with the rest of the crew from the latest Globalist Banksterette Tea Party. It’s one for all and all for one, and that is a conspiracy (i.e., thinly veiled monopoly).
“Rule 1 - Don’t panic.
Rule 2 - If you are going to panic, be the first to panic.”
Exactly! Why are the banksters so glacially slow to realize their losses? It makes no sense without collusion to fix prices, which, by the way, is illegal under the Sherman Antitrust Act.
It isn’t a loss until they have to show it on their books.
Sorta like the FBer who says his house is worth $500K, when all the comps say it is worth half that. Or Beanie Babies.
Delusion is our only growth industry.
One more time, PBear. Large banks (and other large corporations) do not act in economically rational ways, i.e. ways that would make sense in the context of individuals and small groups. They are directed by executives who are typically in office for 5-10 years at most, and who are solely concerned with maintaining their lavish compensation packages and deferring any disaster until after their retirements.
Your faith in antitrust law is touching, but it isn’t going to counteract basic laws of economics and human behavior, any more than piling on another few thousand pages to the 100,000+ page Code of Federal Regulations is going to fix the financial crisis.
“Your faith in antitrust law is touching,…”
Without faith, a rule of law is not possible, and conversely.
Lehigh,
If what you’re saying is true, then shouldn’t all (or most) large corporations go under and take their entire industry along with them every 5-10 years? Kinda funny how the Big Down just happened to coincide with an era of reckless deregulation, cavalier disregard for the law, and pro-corporate government policy.
If it weren’t for government getting in bed with mortgage lenders (via FnF, tax breaks for mortgagors, forced/subsidized lending, etc), providing a large, fail-safe return for investors, then the bubble would not have occured. Similarly, if it weren’t for the government attaching strings to the bailout money (instructing the industry not to sell their foreclosures), then we would not have the shadow inventory currently sitting on the nonmarket. The current executives of existing banks would be incentivized to sell those puppies and make some money for their own bonuses today.
shouldn’t all (or most) large corporations go under and take their entire industry along with them every 5-10 years?
It usually takes a somewhat longer period of neglect and incompetence to lead to a real crisis, but then the corp’s just go begging for more favors and bailouts whenever things start to go south. Corporatism is really just creeping socialism by another name.
Kinda funny how the Big Down just happened to coincide with an era of reckless deregulation
Actually, regulation increased steadily throughout the Bush years.
www dot heritage dot org/research/reports/2008/03/red-tape-rising-regulatory-trends-in-the-bush-years
, cavalier disregard for the law, and pro-corporate government policy.
I’m trying to sift through your rhetoric to see if there are any substantive points. What is a “pro-corporate” or “anti-corporate” policy, anyway? Once you’ve established the basic principle that corporations have limited liability, i.e. are essentially above the law, any attempted “regulations” are nothing but kabuki dancing. They can always lobby for whatever exemptions, deferrals, etc. are convenient.
People are constantly b!tching and moaning about corporate misdeeds. But when I make the case for abolishing corporations, they get all solemn and go on about how corp’s are essential tools to enable capital to be raised efficiently, blah, blah. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say that executives, officers and shareholders have limited liability but unlimited profit potential, but then be outraged when they do immoral and illegal things.
if it weren’t for the government attaching strings to the bailout money (instructing the industry not to sell their foreclosures), then we would not have the shadow inventory currently sitting on the nonmarket.
And how is this a pro-corporate policy? I’m lost.
Lehigh:
I still want to know - if it is the nature of a corporation to commit suicide for short-term gain, then why don’ t most or all corporations do this? Why hasn’t the banking industry done this since the Great Depression (a lot longer than any CEOs tenure)? Why doesn’t MacDonald’s do it?
Thing 2: I was alive during the Bush years (junior and senior), and I distinctly remember that regulations were dropped left and right. Whatever regulations remained were ignored. Regulatory offices went underfunded. The White House would hire its own attorneys to bully state governments out of enforcing their own laws. The reasoning in the White House was that Federal law should trump state law, so if the folks in the Federal house wanted deregulated banks, then they would have it, states be damned. It was one of the pillars of the Bush Administration - “free” and “efficient” markets. Your link may have some statistics that make it appear otherwise, but it’s not necessary to provide statistics in the face of the obvious. The Bush Administration and Republicans in general have been boasting about their policy of deregulation (both official and de facto) for decades, m’friend.
Pro-corporate, as in “anti-worker”, as in “globalist”.
Oh, I forgot: How is holding foreclosures off the market “pro-corporate”? If the government can coordinate a form of collusion that allows the banking industry in general to not compete for sales, than the banking industry in general (especially the specially selected Big Brother Banks) doesn’t have to take its lumps as it otherwise would.
Collusion is illegal because it is attractive to the largest players in any idustry, and it benefits those players at the expense of capitalism.
Note that all these banks are corporations.
“Do we have any solid data on whether these FB/squatters are ever going to get hit with a bill for unpaid rent? Or, if the bank forgives the amount, how about a 1099?”
As long as some shill scumbag is running an election campaign the squatters will be viewed as good, god-fearing American voters who need help.
Millions of Americans still are paying their mortgages even though they owe more than their homes are worth. The more banks’ backlog grows, the more likely they are to join it, adding to the already giant pile of foreclosures weighing on the housing market………….
Gee, Millions are paying even though the house is worth less than their mortgage. Maybe everyone who is underwater should just not pay.
That would make for millions more foreclosures and lots more lower priced houses available. I’m all for it. Let’s have more foreclosures.
But, how about we get more creative. There probably isn’t a financed car on the rode that isn’t “upside down” on their loans, either. If you owe more than your car is worth, then quit making that payment, too.
This will help bring down the cost of cars. Cheap houses and cheap cars for everyone!!! It’s a great day in America.
We need a replacement vehicle, and I’ve been patiently waiting for the deals, but the risky auto loans are also securitized, and the fed has been buying those too. Crony capitalism.
492 Days From Default to Foreclosure
492 Days
You take one down, buy a new car
491 Days From Default to Foreclosure
491 Days From Default to Foreclosure
491 Days
You take one down, buy a flat screen
490 Days From Default to Foreclosure
490 Days From Default to Foreclosure
490 Days
You take one down, Go to a NACA convention, tell the media how you lost your job 98 weeks ago and how you were overloaned and you don`t know who owns your mortgage and your dog has cancer and needs an operation
489 Days From Default to Foreclosure
489 Days
Is all lost for Wall Street, now that
JoeMark the Plumber has thrown in the towel on the stock market?I love how the AP writers elevate the import of Mark the Plumber’s conclusions about the rigged stock market, based on him observing the same kind of erratic daily movements in prices of individual stocks which has continued unabated for decades, although generally unnoticed by plumbers.
Probe leads investors to wonder: Is game rigged?
(AP) – 3 days ago
NEW YORK (AP) — The Wall Street insider trading investigation may lead everyday investors — already rattled by a stock market meltdown, a one-day “flash crash” and the Madoff scandal — to finally conclude that the game is rigged.
“A large part of trading has to do with trust, and I don’t have it,” says Mark Swenson, a 43-year-old plumber from New Hampshire who refuses to buy individual stocks.
“When a stock moves up 10 percent, you don’t know why,” he added. “We can pretend that everyone has access to the same information, but they don’t.”
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“Virtually everyone on the Street believes there are significant improprieties, and I think there is an even more important point for the massive number of investors who are not Wall Street players,” says former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer, once known as the “sheriff of Wall Street” for aggressively prosecuting white-collar crime as state attorney general. “And that is for most of us, you can’t beat these guys at their own game.”
People are nervous about the state of their assets in part because their homes are worth so much less these days, not to mention job insecurity and slow economic growth overall.
Some pros on Wall Street say hesitation by small investors is good news. It means that there’s plenty of “dry powder” to propel the market higher in the next few months when and if the little guy finally relents and joins in the rally.
The insider-trading probe could test that theory.
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Anyone seen any data on how the discount brokerages are doing?Etrade keeps running baby commercials everytime the market goes up 200 points in a day.Lemmings are still not trading.
“When a stock moves up 10 percent, you don’t know why,” he added. “We can pretend that everyone has access to the same information, but they don’t.” ??
Which is exactly why I have never, ever, owned any stock…I figure I have a better shot at Texas-Holdem or better yet, the sports book…
Texas hold-em.
Sports is rigged, too.
This story is old news.
The domino effect is already happening. Watch for more raids.
Shortcuts on the foreclosure paper trail
To get a sense of the lawlessness in Florida’s court-run foreclosure process, look no further than public records at the Sarasota and Manatee county courthouses.
“Every one of them is suspect. Some of them are clearly criminal. All of them need to be investigated by law enforcement.”– Michael Belle, Sarasota real estate attorney
There, on foreclosure documents open to everyone, is the evidence that at least one law firm’s employees repeatedly broke a state law in a rush to push cases through the courthouse so banks could seize people’s homes.
The evidence — missing signatures and misdated documents that could not have been signed on the dates specified — can be found on an important document called a “mortgage assignment.”
Without it, a bank would have a costlier and more time-consuming legal path to foreclose, even if a homeowner never makes another mortgage payment.
The Plantantion-based firm, one of the state’s largest foreclosure practices and a key player in local foreclosure cases, generated dozens of error-filled mortgage assignments in Sarasota and Manatee counties alone. In each case, the firm’s employees notarized the documents, swearing they were accurate when they were not.
Stern’s attorney and his employees have repeatedly told state investigators and reporters that mistakes on the paperwork they generated were just that — unintentional and isolated errors.
Checking for problematic documents in your case is easy if you know where to look. This slideshow will show you how.
http://tinyurl.com/257alg6
Yes, each debtor should look after his own mortgage. Most are not contested because the houses are standing empty and the FBs have moved on. The last thing we need is for state attorneys general to exhume every single FC that went through uncontested. The system does work efficiently if not impeded by ambitious pols.
But I repeat myself.
Why didn’t the foreclosure “victims” in question point out these errors during the foreclosure process? Did they not look at the documentation? Well, they mostly didn’t even bother to look a their mortgage documentation, so I guess that makes sense.
It might also be a case of mea culpa. The FB knows he hasn’t been paying, so he doesn’t bother to fight against the foreclosure, robo-signing or not.
How many mistakes does it take to turn the process from “unintended and isolated” to “intentional and systematic”?
Did I previously mention how I just love this story? It just seems like such a poster child for the fraud-ridden U.S. financial system!
Shortcuts on the foreclosure paper trail
By Todd Ruger
Published: Sunday, November 28, 2010 at 1:00 a.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, November 27, 2010 at 7:26 p.m.
To get a sense of the lawlessness in Florida’s court-run foreclosure process, look no further than public records at the Sarasota and Manatee county courthouses.
Foreclosures have swept the nation. And a Herald-Tribune review of more than 1,000 property and foreclosure documents filed by one Florida firm in 2008 and 2009 shows that the errors were blatant, widespread and repeated.
“Every one of them is suspect. Some of them are clearly criminal. All of them need to be investigated by law enforcement.”
– Michael Belle,
Sarasota real estate attorney
There, on foreclosure documents open to everyone, is the evidence that at least one law firm’s employees repeatedly broke a state law in a rush to push cases through the courthouse so banks could seize people’s homes.
The evidence — missing signatures and misdated documents that could not have been signed on the dates specified — can be found on an important document called a “mortgage assignment.” The paperwork helps prove a lender has the legal right to seize a property.
Without it, a bank would have a costlier and more time-consuming legal path to foreclose, even if a homeowner never makes another mortgage payment.
Faced with that prospect, employees in David J. Stern’s law offices bent and broke the rules designed to ensure the documents judges rely on to award foreclosures are authentic, a Herald-Tribune investigation found.
The Plantantion-based firm, one of the state’s largest foreclosure practices and a key player in local foreclosure cases, generated dozens of error-filled mortgage assignments in Sarasota and Manatee counties alone. In each case, the firm’s employees notarized the documents, swearing they were accurate when they were not.
Stern’s attorney and his employees have repeatedly told state investigators and reporters that mistakes on the paperwork they generated were just that — unintentional and isolated errors.
But a Herald-Tribune review of more than 1,000 property and foreclosure documents filed by Stern’s firm in 2008 and 2009 shows that the errors were blatant, widespread and repeated:
• At least 60 local homeowners have lost property based on improper mortgage assignments, and dozens more are just a hearing away from the same fate. A spot check of six other counties turned up similar examples.
• One in 10 mortgage assignments filed by Stern’s law firm in Sarasota County contains mistakes that violate state law. One in three contains either legal violations or other irregularities, such as mismatched dates, that experts say call into question their authenticity.
• At least 14 Stern employees notarized documents — essentially swearing they were accurate — even though the documents contain omissions, incorrect dates and improper signatures that clearly show they were not proper.
Neither Stern, his attorney, nor others at his firm responded to repeated calls for comment. A reporter who visited Stern’s office in Plantation was met by a security officer who threatened to call authorities.
Meanwhile, Florida judges and legal officials have been slow to prevent or reverse foreclosures based on questionable documents.
Judges do not question the documents unless homeowners question them first, so they continue to rule in favor of lenders. Twelfth Circuit Chief Judge Lee Haworth said judges must remain neutral in court, and cannot raise possible defenses — such as bad paperwork — on behalf of homeowners who choose not to fight, or don’t know how to fight, their foreclosure.
“The judges will accept, as they do in every case, pleadings that are represented by counsel as legitimate,” said Haworth. “It’s the defendant’s case. … If they don’t want to hire an attorney, that’s their business.”
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• At least 14 Stern employees notarized documents — essentially swearing they were accurate — even though the documents contain omissions, incorrect dates and improper signatures that clearly show they were not proper…….
Wow, a really big claim of fraud. I didn’t see a single thing in the article that shows any real basis to claim fraud. Read that again.
14 Employees notarized documents. what’s unusual about that? The whole point of notarizing something is to swear that the information is claimed to be true and accurate.
It was a big company. The way the article is written tends to lead you to believe that 14 employees were fraudulently signing documents.
Gee, the date of the last filing was on a Thursday. The paperwork said Friday. Clearly wrong. The buyer should have fought it. The address had the wrong zip code. The signer missed it. The paper work is wrong, therefore it is fraud. What is the real basis of the claims made in this article and others like it. Is it that if you hire a lawyer they can go through the documents with a fine-tooth comb and find a name or date that was mis-typed and therefore the documents need to be withdrawn and the whole process started over with a corrected documents??
I understand there are claims of missing paperwork. I’ve seen claims of inaccurate paperwork. Everyone’s hoping the banks all say the dog ate their documents. If the banks can prove a chain of title claims, even if their were some errors in processing, does it invalidate their claims? I don’t think so. I just creates more delays.
Perhaps some paperwork is lost. I don’t think most of it is lost. It will cost former “owners” to hire a lawyer to review the documents, and since they are clearly in default, i understand that most of them don’t want to hire a lawyer to review the case. So, naturally, the bank “wins”. Getting a wrecked house at half the loan value is hardly “winning.”
Dio:
That’s what I’ve been thinking this whole time. Is a mistake really “fraud”? Is being overwhelmed with so much documentation that you can’t correct minor errors really “fraud”? Are any of these errors material? If so, why didn’t the FB mention it during the foreclosure process?
You know, if we the people would have just spent a few bucks to properly staff our various regulatory agencies (the ones in charge of bank-like objects), then nobody would be calling for an unaffordable, unmanageable onslaught of law-enforcement activity today. There is no way to go back and review every last foreclosure record for the past couple years. That’s why we have a “process”. It’s to allow the defendant a chance to point out errors/lies in real time. How can you call a cop two years after your purse was stolen because you left it sitting in a public place unattended with your HOUSE in it?
Wow, a really big claim of fraud. I didn’t see a single thing in the article that shows any real basis to claim fraud. Read that again.
Read this whole article and tell us what you think. This is more than sloppy paperwork. Much more. “This was no boating accident” (a line from Jaws)
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/232611?RS_show_page=0
For most people, the former bit about homeowners not paying their damn bills is the important part, while the latter, about the sudden and strange inability of the world’s biggest and wealthiest banks to keep proper records, is incidental. Just a little office sloppiness, and who cares? Those deadbeat homeowners still owe the money, right? “They had it coming to them,” is how a bartender at the Jacksonville airport put it to me.
But in reality, it’s the unpaid bills that are incidental and the lost paperwork that matters. It turns out that underneath that little iceberg tip of exposed evidence lies a fraud so gigantic that it literally cannot be contemplated by our leaders, for fear of admitting that our entire financial system is corrupted to its core — with our great banks and even our government coffers backed not by real wealth but by vast landfills of deceptively generated and essentially worthless mortgage-backed assets.
You’ve heard of Too Big to Fail — the foreclosure crisis is Too Big for Fraud. Think of the Bernie Madoff scam, only replicated tens of thousands of times over, infecting every corner of the financial universe. The underlying crime is so pervasive, we simply can’t admit to it — and so we are working feverishly to rubber-stamp the problem away, in sordid little backrooms in cities like Jacksonville, behind doors that shouldn’t be, but often are, closed.
Matt Taibbi blogs on the Taibblog
And that’s just the economic side of the story. The moral angle to the foreclosure crisis — and, of course, in capitalism we’re not supposed to be concerned with the moral stuff, but let’s mention it anyway — shows a culture that is slowly giving in to a futuristic nightmare ideology of computerized greed and unchecked financial violence. The monster in the foreclosure crisis has no face and no brain. The mortgages that are being foreclosed upon have no real owners. The lawyers bringing the cases to evict the humans have no real clients. It is complete and absolute legal and economic chaos. No single limb of this vast man-eating thing knows what the other is doing, which makes it nearly impossible to combat — and scary as hell to watch.
What follows is an account of a single hour of Judge A.C. Soud’s rocket docket in Jacksonville. Like everything else related to the modern economy, these foreclosure hearings are conducted in what is essentially a foreign language, heavy on jargon and impenetrable to the casual observer. It took days of interviews with experts before and after this hearing to make sense of this single hour of courtroom drama. And though the permutations of small-time scammery and grift in the foreclosure world are virtually endless — your average foreclosure case involves homeowners or investors being screwed at least five or six creative ways — a single hour of court and a few cases is enough to tell the main story. Because if you see one of these scams, you see them all.
If what Stern is doing was aimed at the banks instead of the FBs, he would be in jail by now.
And he is an attorney. Theoretically an officer of the court and, as such, should be held to a higher standard, than an ordinary person.
And then there are the banks. Shouldn’t they be good at paperwork? They have legions of minions to take care of this stuff.
Are the FBs innocent? No. But they are certainly the less sophisticated party in all of these transactions and deserve some protection from blatant fraud.
My biggest concern is that at least the same legal standards be applied to the banks as would be applied to ordinary citizens. Moneyed entities already have an advantage in court simply by being able to buy the best legal counsel. They shouldn’t also be able to launder their documents an unlimited number of times. And they should be required to have standing to bring a particular suit.
In that article IIRC the one FB who showed up at the foreclosure hearing got a continuance.
Nobody is talking about honest errors.
There was, again, widespread and deliberate fraud.
Faced with that prospect, employees in David J. Stern’s law offices bent and broke the rules designed to ensure the documents judges rely on to award foreclosures are authentic, a Herald-Tribune investigation found.
This David J. Stern?
Matt Taibbi: Courts Helping Banks Screw Over Homeowners
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/232611?RS_show_page=0
…On the other side of the table are the plaintiff’s attorneys, the guys who represent the banks. On this level of the game, these lawyers refer to themselves as “bench warmers” — volume stand-ins subcontracted by the big, hired-killer law firms that work for the banks. One of the bench warmers present today is Mark Kessler, who works for a number of lenders and giant “foreclosure mills,” including the one run by David J. Stern, a gazillionaire attorney and all-Universe asshole who last year tried to foreclose on 70,382 homeowners. Which is a nice way to make a living, considering that Stern and his wife, Jeanine, have bought nearly $60 million in property for themselves in recent years, including a 9,273-square-foot manse in Fort Lauderdale that is part of a Ritz-Carlton complex.
“This David J. Stern?”
Well yeah!
“This David J. Stern?”
Well yeah!
Just checkin’…
Prices of foreclosed homes continue to plunge; dropping to $116,000 average
REAL ESTATE AND CONSTRUCTION
By Roger Yohem, Inside Tucson Business
Published on Friday, November 26th, 2010
Because just one high-end, foreclosed home sold in October, the true market value of distressed residential properties has shaken up the real estate marketplace. When expensive million-dollar-plus homes sell as foreclosures, the transactions skew the market’s average and median sales prices.
The lack of high-end activity has given real estate agents and builders a more accurate reading of what the market is really like. During October, the highest sales price for a foreclosure was $825,000 followed by a closing at $399,900.
As a result, the average sales price of foreclosures fell to $115,919, a 23 percent drop from $149,889 in September. In October 2009, the level was $145,583, according to John Strobeck, owner of Bright Future Business Consultants.
The median foreclosure price fell for the third straight month to $106,900, down 13.5 percent from from $123,525 in October 2009.
Coldwell Banker calculates the selling price per square foot to “normalize” the mix of high-end and low-end properties. The October selling price per square foot of $93 was down from $94 in September. Compared to October 2009, the price has dropped 11 percent from $104.
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Please repeat after me:
All real estate is local.
All real estate is local.
All real estate is local.
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VOL. 125 | NO. 231 | Monday, November 29, 2010
A story from The Memphis News
On newsstands throughout the city
Crisis Casts Long Shadow Over City’s Housing Woes
The Memphis News
Updated 2:14PM
Shadow inventory – the massive backlog of houses either in foreclosure or headed that way – poses a significant threat to the fledging recovery in residential real estate nationwide, including Memphis.
Some parts of Memphis were hit so hard by the foreclosure crises that there is no place to go but up. The question remains: When will we start to see upward movement in these parts of Memphis?
Complicating this recovery is the bulging inventory of houses, a supply that is steadily growing when you consider the number of properties that have not hit the market yet but surely will as soon as the recovery strengthens.
This is potential crisis has ramifications that aren’t always apparent immediately.
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Anytime anyone says “no place to go but up”, I say think of Detroit.
Detroit may be one of the few U.S. real estate markets which truly does have no place to go but up.
Detroit may be one of the few U.S. real estate markets which truly does have no place to go but up.
In smoke?
That’s been going on for well over a decade already…
Detroit is Burning—7 Action News Update at 11pm
Early 90’s—Bill Bonds anchors follow-up newscast to ABC’s Primetime Live special berating Detroit… Portraying it as a lawless police state thriving on crime, drugs and destruction.
Detroit Riot- Then and Now
40 years ago I watched Detroit burn around me… I returned in the spring of 2007 to visit and photograph the same areas. Sadly they have not been rebuilt. See more photos at http://www.philcherner.com
“Murder City” ‘67 riot
Snippet from the cult classic “Murder City” documentary about the 1967 riot in Detroit
Can Detroit Prevent a Return of ‘Devil’s Night’?
By Steven Gray / Detroit Friday, Oct. 30, 2009
A dying auto industry, failing schools, rampant unemployment and a home foreclosure crisis: Detroit has no shortage of ills, but in recent years it has made progress combating the city’s notorious tradition known as Devil’s Night, the period leading up Halloween each year when scores of buildings would be torched. Yet earlier this month, when nearly a dozen vacant homes were set afire in the span of a weekend, authorities here feared the worst: The real estate crisis that has hit Detroit particularly hard would mean a resurgence of Devil’s Night. (See pictures from the fight against Devil’s Night.)
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Detroit’s Beautiful, Horrible Decline
Two French photographers immortalize the remains of the motor city on film
Photographs by Yves Marchand and Romain Meffre
The images and video links I have posted here should help put Detroit’s relatively affordable housing prices (e.g. single family residences for under $20K) into perspective.
The French have always seen America more clearly than Americans have.
“Ruins are the visible symbols and landmarks of our societies and their changes … the volatile result of the change of eras and the fall of empires. This fragility leads us to watch them one very last time: to be dismayed, or to admire, it makes us wonder about the permanence of things.”
– Yves Marchand and Romain Meffre –
Trying again on that Marchand and Meffre web site link.
Detroit techno city.
The French have always had an unrealistically egotistical view of themselves, thereby believing that they can see America more clearly than Americans do. They also have B.O., so there.
Good Grief Mr. Bear,…let’s not change the auto Industry, can’t we just keep drilling & importing oil & platinum & palladium and give Memphis, TN workers the low paying jobs & minimum benefits they need to earn so that the Southern US can show ol’ filthy Detroit, MI how foolish they been all these many years?
Related
Assignment Detroit:
Why Start-Ups Are Charging Into Lithium
In February, President Barack Obama told the crowd at a Henderson, Nev., high school that not so long ago, the U.S. made barely 2% of the advanced batteries used in the world’s electric vehicles. Now, thanks to a multibillion-dollar federal investment, American companies are positioned to increase production tenfold — and potentially control 40% of the global lithium-ion-battery market by 2015.
“They also have B.O., so there.”
Sacré bleu!
A most sobering photo essay. Thanks, prof.
Very serious question:
Is there any other city in a developed country economy which has effectively collapsed the way that Detroit did over the course of the past half century?
New Orleans.
St Louis.
Good one!
You guys are good!
The Katrina Video Congress Didn’t Want You To See
August 28, 2006
Video of the 17th street canal floodwall collapsing. taken by New Orleans firefighters during Katrina.
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Anyone who has ever been brave enough to visit East St Louis has to wonder if it ever recovered from this incident:
East St. Louis Riot
The East St. Louis Riot (May and July 1917) was an outbreak of labor and racially motivated violence that caused an estimated 100 deaths and extensive property damage in the United States industrial city of East St. Louis, Illinois, located on the east bank of the Mississippi River across from St. Louis, Missouri. It was the worst incidence of labor-related violence in 20th century American history,[1] and one of the worst race riots in U.S. history. It gained national attention.[2] The local Chamber of Commerce called for the resignation of the Police Chief. At the end of the month, ten thousand people marched in silent protest in New York City over the riots, which contributed to the radicalization of many.
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I thought of one other city to add to the list:
1968 Riots in Washington D.C.
April 05, 2008
Perhaps LA should be added to the list — at least certain parts of the sprawling megopolis would seem to qualify. And then there is Oakland. Incidents like these tend to put a long-term damper on the business climate in the surrounding communities.
Watts 1968 Riots
Watts, LA 1968 Riots, Race riots, Democratic Convention, voter registration, Martin Luther King, John and Robert Kennedy, Black Panthers, Malcolm X, J. Edgar Hoover, FBI, Anti-War movement and cointelpro key a generation in transition.
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LA Riots
This video documents some awesome news reporting of crime in progress. If you were a news reporter, would you walk right up to a criminal who had just robbed a store and ask them why they did it?
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LA On Fire - 1992 LA Riots
May 09, 2009
Rioters burn their own city
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Oakland Chaos: Video of riots after BART shooting Mehserle verdict
A jury has convicted a white former transit officer of involuntary manslaughter in the shooting death of an unarmed black man on an Oakland train platform. Johannes Mehserle was found guilty on Thursday in the New Year’s Day 2009 killing of 22-year-old Oscar Grant. Involuntary manslaughter carries a sentence of two to four years. As the verdict reached the streets, scores of people were arrested in Oakland riots as police tried to wrest control of downtown from looters angry about the BART verdict earlier in the day.
The past half century is a fairly short period in history….
I’d go looking for candidates in the English midlands, such as Birmingham or Manchester. Their heavy industries have taken a drubbing. I just don’t know enough to select one for you. There may also be cities in the former East Germany. Chernobyl in the Ukraine is another candidate.
I guess mining ghost towns aren’t what you are looking for. Idaho City was once the largest city in the pacific northwest. In 1864 it had a population of 7,000. Presently the population is about 475.
Taking a longer historical perspective…Rome was mostly abandoned when the Empire moved to Constantinople. People grazed sheep in the deserted Roman Forum.
Posted on Wednesday, 11.24.10
REAL ESTATE
`Shadow inventory’ haunts residential market
Home sales dropped across South Florida in October, as the foreclosure freeze took hold. Median prices increased in certain sectors of the market.
By TOLUSE OLORUNNIPA
tolorunnipa@MiamiHerald.com
Prices of existing South Florida homes rose as the number of sales dropped in October following a slowdown in foreclosures by banks because of irregularities in procedures. Both single-family and condos across the region were affected, according to a report released Tuesday by the Miami Association of Realtors.
Those trends may be temporary now that foreclosures have resumed. But the slowdown could deepen “shadow inventories,” say industry watchers, and slow down a long-term recovery.
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Bidding Wars Are Back in Some Markets
Wall Street Journal
In another sign of a housing-market recovery, bidding wars are back.
Not everywhere. But in some upper-middle-class suburbs around San Francisco and New York, and other areas where prices have hit bottom, first-time buyers eager to take advantage of relatively low prices and low mortgage rates are actually driving up prices, says Tara-Nicholle Nelson, an analyst at Trulia.com. Buyers are competing at the low end of the market, too, for homes under $200,000 and foreclosures, as buyers with smaller budgets take a stab at ownership.
But experts say bidding wars play on buyers’ worst fears. When an offer is rejected, it fosters a sense of urgency, so they’ll place more aggressive offers on the next homes they bid on, says Ms. Nelson. In the worst-case scenario, buyer psychology could boost home prices beyond what they’re really worth.
That’s the kind of whirlwind that led to the last bubble, “with the potential for financial disaster for buyers who overspend,” says Jack McCabe, an independent housing analyst.
To avoid a bidding war, here are three things a buyer can do:
Research a neighborhood’s inventory. In a real buyer’s market, houses sit on the market for more than six months before selling. To find out how long is typical in a given neighborhood, compare the number of active listings to those under contract — if there’s a glut of houses on the market, there will be far more of the former than the latter.
Watch the jobs numbers. Areas with strong employment numbers are more likely to see bidding wars, because that’s where more people have the credentials — a down payment, work documentation — to buy a home, says John Mulville, a vice president at Real Estate Economics, which tracks real-estate data.
Don’t go to war over a foreclosure. Bank-owned foreclosures sell for about 36% less than regular listings, according to RealtyTrac, and they account for about 16% of all sales.
But buyers often lose track of their goal with a foreclosure — to buy a home at a big discount — when competing offers kick in, says Mynor Herrera, a Weichert Realtor who specializes in Washington, D.C., and Montgomery County, Md. In general, buying a foreclosed property at 30% above the asking price wipes out any savings from a foreclosure.
“Buyers are competing at the low end of the market, too, for homes under $200,000 and foreclosures, as buyers with smaller budgets take a stab at ownership.”
I eagerly look forward to mocking this latest generation of greater fools in a few years, after the shadow foreclosure inventory tsunami swamps U.S. housing prices for the second time within the span of one decade.
Buyers are competing at the low end of the market, too, for homes under $200,000 and foreclosures, as buyers with smaller budgets take a stab at ownership
So, what type & quantity of apartment/home rentals in San Die-GO are going for <$925.00? (Rental prices also drop in step with housing no?)
2011 San Diego Housing costs (-47%)
2011 San Die-go Apartment/home Rental payments (-??%)
Previously:
I would reckon that there are quite a few folks in America that would sign-up for $912.03 monthly: “shelter-the-family-from-year-after-year-constant-landlord-does-not-believe-the-rents-to damn-high! type of “long-term” financial programs that come complete with a Federal Gov’t tax subsidy
With those numbers, I would gander that “bidness” would be quite “brisk”
Qualified Buyer/Flipper/Corporation/LLC/REIT/Trust person:
$120,000 =
$608.02 Monthly Payment
$218,888.05 Monthly principal & interest / Total of 360payments
Payoff date: Dec, 2039
Newly painted/faux-granite-toilet Buyer:
$180,000 =
$912.03 Monthly Payment
$328,332.08 Monthly principal & interest / Total of 360 payments Payoff date: Dec, 2039
“I would reckon that there are quite a few folks in America that would sign-up for $912.03 monthly”
I hope they don’t forget to take falling knife home equity losses into consideration in their financial decision making.
“In general, buying a foreclosed property at 30% above the asking price wipes out any savings from a foreclosure.”
Who bankrolls the greater fools who buy foreclosures at 30% above asking price?
Let me guess: Probably some government program with an ‘affordable housing’ mission?
Upper-middle-class suburbs in San Francisco have not even begun to hit bottom. Bidding wars result from low-ball asking prices.
The bidding wars discussed in the article appear to be driven by lenders collusively withholding inventory from the market to fix prices at artificially high levels, in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.
Nobody has paid attention to that “speed bump” in decades.
These Memphis News stories about the shadow inventory are truly awesome. Who’d've thunk Memphis was among the myriad ‘grounds zero’ for the housing bubble?
By the way, for those of you who have not yet drunk your Sunday morning coffee, 40 months is three years and four months; so the anonymous ‘analysts’ cited in this article don’t expect the bulk of shadow inventory to hit the housing market until March 2014. If true, this means that U.S. residential housing could be a terrible money-losing investment for anyone who buys over the next decade. Try not to catch yerself a falling knife!
VOL. 125 | NO. 231 | Monday, November 29, 2010
A story from The Memphis News
On newsstands throughout the city
Shadows of Doubt
Foreboding ‘shadow inventory’ threatens housing recovery
By Sarah Baker
Updated 2:06PM
As the housing market continues to improve, a significant backlog of foreclosed and distressed properties that have not been put on the market could bring the recovery to a screeching halt.
Many lenders across the nation – mostly banks – are struggling to keep up with the overwhelming number of borrowers who have stopped making their mortgage payments. And with the fledgling recovery in housing still weak, banks, institutional investors and even some homeowners who want to sell their homes are waiting until the market shows marked improvement.
This “shadow inventory” – the backlog of properties that are 90 days or more delinquent, in foreclosure or bank owned but haven’t yet hit the market – poses a threat to the housing recovery.
“It may well be that the lenders are moderating what comes in by what goes out so that there’s kind of a balance – they’re not trying to dump everything on the market all at once,” said Corky Neale, director of research for RISE, a Memphis-based organization that helps low-income residents achieve financial success.
“The other possibility, too, is that there may be stuff that’s never going to be added to the inventory … (for example) houses that are awaiting foreclosure, where the residents have already moved out.”
Shadow inventory is estimated at more than 7 million properties nationally, about $480 billion, according to the most recent Fitch Inc. data.
That number is not expected to decline soon.
Analysts expect it will take more than 40 months for the distressed properties to even hit the market.
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Foreclosures of U.S. Homes Fell 36% After Freeze
The number of U.S. homes seized by banks tumbled more than a third in October after loan servicers imposed a moratorium to probe whether repossessions were properly conducted, according to Lender Processing Services Inc.
Banks took over 79,886 homes, down 36 percent from a record 124,051 in September and the lowest number since May 2009, the Jacksonville, Florida-based real estate data company said in a report today. Lender Processing bases its figures on information collected from loan servicers at the time of foreclosure.
Bank-owned homes are among the most affordable real estate and a drop in their numbers may keep some homebuyers out of the market, said Sean O’Toole, chief executive officer of ForeclosureRadar.com, a real estate service in Discovery Bay, California, that tracks foreclosure sales in five western states. Sales of existing homes fell 2.2 percent in October, according to a National Association of Realtors report today.
“If there are many fewer, it could have an impact on one of the hottest selling segments,” O’Toole said in a telephone interview.
Mortgage Delinquency High at 6.44% and Foreclosure Shadow Inventory Up to 2.1 Million Homes
Contributed by Wallace Manfrin on Nov. 23
2.1 million houses are subject to foreclosure, says a report from CoreLogic. A whopping 6.44% of mortgage holders are delinquent according to TransUnion.
For purposes of this report TransUnion defines delinquency as payments that are more than 60 days overdue. The highest delinquency rates were in Nevada and Florida, where delinquency exceeded 14.5%. The lowest levels of delinquencies were found in Nebraska, South Dakota and North Dakota with rates of between 1.5 and 2.7 %.
Although the number of mortgage holders who are delinquent in their payments fell in the third quarter, the big picture indicates that borrowers and the housing market in general remain in dangerous waters. A large supply of unoccupied and foreclosed properties will continue to put downward pressure on home prices across the nation.
Foreclosure freezes mean that the backlog of foreclosures is growing and distressed properties will continue to flood the housing market. Some percentage of mortgage delinquencies will ultimately end in default and grow the number of foreclosed properties on the market.
TransUnion’s report showed that average borrower mortgage debt fell by .58% in the third quarter. California, District of Columbia and Hawaii had the highest average mortgage debt at more than $300,000 per borrower. West Virginians carried the least amount of mortgage debt at $100,000 per mortgage holder.
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Does it seem to anyone besides me that banks are shooting themselves in the foot through low-budget robo-signing of foreclosure documents? Scaring off potential buyers can only serve to reduce the market value of the shadow inventory they hold off their balance sheets.
WSJ Blogs
Developments
Real estate news and analysis from The Wall Street Journal
* November 22, 2010, 9:36 AM ET
Shadow Inventory of Homes Rising
By Nick Timiraos
The “shadow inventory” of unlisted bank-owned homes and potential foreclosures increased to 2.1 million units in August, up 10% from one year earlier, according to new estimates from CoreLogic, a real-estate research firm.
That’s around eight months of supply, compared to a five-months’ supply one year ago.
By contrast, the inventory of all unsold homes listed for sale totaled 4.2 million units in August, unchanged from one year ago. Together, that means the visible and shadow supply of homes stood at around 6.3 million in August, or around 23 months of supply at the current sales pace.
Mark Fleming, chief economist at CoreLogic, says that weak housing demand “is significantly increasing the risk of further price declines in the housing market.” Delays in the foreclosure process, including those brought on by banks’ inability to file the proper legal paperwork, threaten to exacerbate that trend.
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We can add *No one will ever notice* to *It’s different here* and *It’s a great time to buy!”
What a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive.
Then: “Stemming foreclosures will keep prices up, thereby making houses a good investment and bostering demand”
Now: “Delaying foreclosures is weakening demand”
Huh?
Double-plus good!
Down the memory hole!
Winston Smith would have been proud.
Body in 1 foreclosed Fla. home, death in another
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — A man who bought a foreclosed Florida home discovered a body in the garage, and it may be that of the former owner, authorities said Friday.
The man went to the home in Cape Canaveral on Thursday, a day after buying it, Brevard County Sheriff’s Major Andrew Walters said. He found the body in a car in the garage.
Walters said it’s unclear how long the body had been there, or how the person died. An autopsy was underway.
News of the gruesome find came the same day as a 71-year-old man in Gulfport, across the state, died after shooting himself in the head as he was about to be evicted from his home under foreclosure.
Boyd Rubright shot himself as a sheriff’s deputy tried to drill through the lock on his front door, police said.
The body in the Cape Canaveral house was believed to be that of a woman, Walters said. Investigators think it may the home’s previous owner, because she hasn’t been seen for a while. She went through foreclosure earlier this year.
Mortgage lender Wells Fargo & Co. sold the home Wednesday. Neighbors told authorities that the woman had “disappeared” some time ago.
(With apologies to Forrest Gump):
“Life was like a
box of chocolatesforeclosure home. You never know what you’re gonna get.”Good lord. Hasn’t anybody heard of checking out a house before you buy it?
I caught this article on Saturday, concerning Freddie and Fannie foreclosures. I don’t know if it was posted previously, but it creates an interesting turn of events if it is true.
Especially when contrasted to the “all the foreclosures are fraudulent” stories we have seen lately:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/real-estate/fannie-mae-freddie-mac-give-the-go-ahead-1074746.html.
I still believe MERS has created a huge mess, and it has obviously effected the market. I think it will cause more delays as more fraud claims are made. A lawyer’s stock in trade is a lawsuit.
But if this article is true, then there is more smoke than fire. When the smoke clears, we may find there are still a lot of good documents that didn’t end up on the pyre. Proceed with sales, they say.
Don’t ask me why, but I find this pretty amusing:
Down Payment Grants
FHA Loan Assistance to Help You Get a Mortgage
Down payment assistance and community redevelopment programs offer affordable housing opportunities to first-time homebuyers, low-income and moderate-income individuals and families who wish to achieve homeownership.
Elimination of Non Profit Down Payment Assistance
On July 30, 2008, President Bush signed H.R. 3221 - Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. Section 2113 of the bill prohibits seller-funded DPA (Down Payment Assistance) for loans backed by the Federal Housing Administration. Prior to this bill, the seller could contribute up to 6% to the buyer to cover either a down payment or closing costs on an FHA loan. The changes took effect on Oct. 1, 2008.
We provide this information for reference only.
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Downpayment assistance is B-A-A-A-C-K. Anything to give special advantages to the Democrats’ favored constintuents…
Mortgages
New Lending Guidelines From Fannie Mae
By LYNNLEY BROWNING
Published: November 18, 2010
NEW lending guidelines being rolled out by Fannie Mae will make securing a mortgage a lot easier for some borrowers but harder for others.
The rules, effective on Dec. 13, will allow buyers to use gifts and grants from nonprofit groups for their minimum 5 percent down payment, which is the threshold set by Fannie Mae, the government-owned company that sets lending standards and buys mortgages from lenders. (Freddie Mac is considering similar new guidelines, said Brad German, a spokesman.)
Previously, borrowers had to contribute a minimum 5 percent down payment from their own funds, but additional down payment money could be from a gift (though never from a home seller). The exception was for borrowers who put 20 percent down: all that money could come as a gift.
Because many lenders now require a down payment of 10 percent or more, the new rules mean that borrowers will still have to come up with extra funds — either their own or gifts.
Still, “this is definitely going to help upgrade buyers and young couples who for whatever reason don’t have enough money and are getting some from their families,” said Edward Ades, the owner of Universal Mortgage, a broker in Brooklyn.
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“…buyers and young couples who for whatever reason don’t have enough money and are getting some from their families…”
Are these the kind of potential buyers who Uncle Sam considers to be prime candidates for assuming the financial responsibilities of home ownership?
“For whatever reason don’t have enough money”.
Hmmm. Maybe because the price is too high or they can’t afford that house?
Nobody in DC yet seems to be acknowledging that prices are still too high. Rather, they are making a concerted, though stealthy, effort to keep housing prices inflated to unaffordable levels.
Maybe they don’t have any money because the Repubs voted down a bill that would have ended tax breaks for offshoring jobs?
Naw, couldn’t be.
That’s the 1000 pound gorilla in the room. “Real” unemployment is around 20%. Wages for J6P are going down faster than house prices.
Nothing is going to get “fixed” until that is addressed. But under all the noise, the “giant sucking sound” continues.
BOHICA
FTC clamps down on mortgage modification scammers
The agency plans to ban almost all upfront payments, institute mandatory disclosure rules and place new restrictions on lawyers.
By Kenneth R. Harney
November 28, 2010
Reporting from Washington —
You’ve probably seen the pitches on TV and the Internet or found them stuffed in your mail: official-looking communications complete with logos and letterheads that look vaguely like those used by the Treasury, Internal Revenue Service and other federal agencies.
They are instead criminal enterprises posing as do-gooders who promise to get you out of the mortgage jam you’re in. They claim they can persuade your lender to cut your monthly payments, forgive all penalties, slash your interest rate and even get your loan balance reduced. If your lender won’t cooperate, they say they’ll perform “forensic audits” on your mortgage and convince a court that your entire loan transaction should be canceled because of technical mistakes in the paperwork.
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Many greater fools who plowed in to the safety of Treasury bonds to avoid ‘risky’ assets are in for a Joshua tree-administered education in financial risk.
Treasuries Head for Second Monthly Decline Amid Signs of Stronger Economy
By Susanne Walker - Nov 26, 2010 9:00 PM PT
Treasuries headed for a second monthly loss as stronger-than-forecast economic data and confidence the Federal Reserve’s $600 billion Treasury purchase program will fuel more growth, reduced demand for the debt.
The yield on the two-year note rose for the fourth straight week, the longest period of increases since April 2, as a report on Nov. 24 showed initial jobless claims dropped to the lowest level since July 2008, reinforcing sentiment the employment market is healing. A report on Dec. 3 may show nonfarm payrolls rose by 145,000, according to a Bloomberg survey.
“It’s more of a function of the negative sentiment in the Treasury market, given the broader macroeconomic strength,” Ian Lyngen, a government bond strategist at CRT Capital Group LLC in Stamford, Connecticut, said Nov. 24. “The market has been under pressure.”
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Can someone please explain why Treasury department officials spend time and effort studying the stock market? I find this highly curious; wouldn’t private markets better be left private, rather than subject to day-to-day scrutiny by central planners? To what end do Treasury officials monitor the stock market? What actions are predicated on such studies?
Inside Treasury’s nerve center
Michael N. Pedroni, director of the Treasury’s markets room, studies stock numbers in his office. He and his staff provide detailed daily analysis to the Treasury secretary and other high-level policymakers.
(Photos By Astrid Riecken)
By Brady Dennis
Saturday, November 27, 2010
Two years after the harrowing days of the financial crisis, Michael N. Pedroni still draws wary looks when he heads upstairs to the third floor of the Treasury Department, which houses the offices of Secretary Timothy F. Geithner and other top brass.
“When I walk through the halls, people are like, ‘Oh no, here he comes!’ ” Pedroni said.
He’s able to joke about the suspicious stares now. But in the frantic days of fall 2008, the markets room operation that he runs played a critical role as Treasury officials wrestled with the calamity unfolding in the financial sector.
Tucked away in a former carpentry shop inside the bowels of the Treasury building, the markets room’s small staff plays a key role in monitoring the world’s financial markets, spotting emerging trends and providing detailed analysis day after day to Geithner and other senior policymakers.
“I think we are known as the front line,” said Pedroni, 38, a former International Monetary Fund economist and Federal Reserve Bank of New York employee who has spent time at a Wall Street research firm. “Our analysis is meant to be very candid, very quick, very unvarnished.”
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Private “markets” without regulation and oversight are nothing but scams and con jobs.
Real regulation is regulation that both buyers and sellers want.. For instance, the department of weights and measures.. Sellers actually want their customers to have confidence that the pumps, scales and meters they are using have been certified by a reliable third party. This is the prefect location for local gov’t to be formed and provide the county weights and measures dept for certifying scale equipment.
Not all regulation is bad. When (almost) everyone wants it, it’s usually good. It’s when some want it and some don’t that it becomes a problem.
Can someone please explain why the Fed has to ever worry about selling securities that it buys, given that it can create the money needed to finance other operations with the stroke of a virtual pen? For that matter, since these purchases are financed by ‘thin air’ money, why does the Fed have to ever worry about anything?
Don’t Forget About the Fed’s Other Asset-Buying Effort
Nov 28 2010, 10:00 AM ET
In early November, the Federal Reserve Open Market Committee (FOMC) decided to begin a new program to buy $600 billion in longer-term Treasury securities. It would do so by purchasing $75 billion per month for eight months. But that isn’t the whole story. This new quantitative easing measure, commonly referred to as QE2, is really just a more aggressive extension of a program that was initiated in the FOMC’s August meeting. The November minutes, released on Tuesday, provide some detail on the earlier program that helps paint a more complete picture of the Fed’s monthly purchases.
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A little simple math shows that 82 days that elapsed between August 11th and November 1st, which averages out to about $24 billion per month in asset purchases. So if you add QE1.5 to QE2, then the Fed will actually be buying close to $100 billion in longer-term Treasury securities per month — not just $75 billion, as QE2 alone implies. Of course, that assumes that the assets on its balance sheet continue to mature at a consistent pace.
The purpose of QE1.5 is to make sure that the Fed’s balance sheet doesn’t shrink. So the net purchases are just QE2’s $75 billion per month. But the Fed will have to actively seek around $100 billion in gross purchases per month in order fulfill its quotas. That’s a lot of Treasuries. The two programs combined will also significantly shift the asset mix of the Fed’s balance sheet to longer-term Treasuries, as the maturing securities will be predominately mortgage-backed securities and shorter-term Treasuries.
This could complicate the Fed’s exit strategy a little. These new purchases will predominately have maturities between two and 10 years. So if it wants to reduce its holdings in these Treasuries much in the next, say, two to three years, it will have to begin looking for buyers, instead of just allowing them to mature. By the end of June, the Fed will have around $865 billion of these longer term Treasuries on its balance sheet from QE1.5 and QE2, which could be hard to sell if investors are ready to take more risk again on stocks or are worried about inflation.
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I’m wondering if Chindian property market crashes might reduce the flow of foreign investment into U.S. property? Opportunity may lie in store for those who are sufficiently patient to wait out Asian property bubble collapse before investing in U.S. real estate.
The Economic Times
Real Estate
26 Nov, 2010, 06.16AM IST,ET Bureau
Property prices may crash as loan scam hits funding
MUMBAI/NEW DELHI: Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee’s direction to state-run lenders to prevent a recurrence of the loans-for-bribes scandal, and banks’ decision to go for a critical appraisal of all real estate loans above Rs 50 crore may stall projects and drive developers to private funds.
Liquidity for the sector may dry up as bankers turn cautious in sanctioning fresh loans, forcing builders to cut prices to improve cash position, helping prospective buyers who have been holding on due to high prices.
DB Realty tumbled 10%, Indiabulls Real Estate lost 5.2%, DLF fell 3.8%, and Unitech declined 6% as a fund shortage threatens to derail their project execution, which had just started to show signs of recovery after the 2008 credit crisis.
The arrest of eight finance executives by the Central Bureau of Investigation on Wednesday on charges of taking bribes to sanction loans does not lead to a systemic risk since the amount involved is tiny, bankers and bureaucrats said. It is getting more attention than it deserves, they said.
“ banks and financial institutions should strengthen the NPA (non-performing assets) monitoring and management in their institutions to ensure that advance action is taken to identify incipient sickness and take appropriate action on it,” said Mukherjee.
A Bank of India official said, “All big-tickets loans, particularly to builders, will come under the scanner now. Recall of loans can happen if there is a fear that the quality of loans may suffer. But as of now, there is no such worry and hence it would not prompt us to recall loans.”
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No other disclaimer is as suspect as a bankster’s.
27 Nov, 2010, 08.14PM IST,PTI
We have robust system to prevent wrongdoing: Bank of India
CHANDIGARH: Three days after CBI arrested Bank of India’s General Manager (Delhi) RN Tayal , for his alleged role in the housing-finance scam , the bank on Saturday asserted it has a robust system in place to prevent any wrongdoing in advancing corporate loans.
“….our bank has a robust system to take action wherever there is any wrong doing,” Bank of India’s Executive Director N Seshadri told reporters here today.
“Incidentally, nothing has gone wrong on process with the bank…if you really talk about it… it is an aberration and we will have a look at it when we have full details (with us),” Seshadri said here on triennial delegation session organized by Federation of Bank of India Officers’Association .
When asked if the bank was contemplating any action against the official who was arrested by CBI on graft charges, Seshadri said that action would definitely be taken against him.
“We just got (his) details yesterday and there is a specific guideline…(and)there is a process (for action)..but action will definitely be taken against the official,” he said.
However, he said, “no individual in the bank can influence such type of loans.”
Bank of India has said that the companies under CBI scanner are not from realty sector but rather from the manufacturing sector. “In one of the case, we do not even disbursed so far…it was just sanctioned. In another case, a group of banks are advancing loans ,” he said.
Bank of India maintains it has just 3.2 per cent exposure to the realty sector. “We have very small exposure towards real estate sector,” he said.
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Yeah, that system sounds robust. The cops come in and arrest people after the bank’s own “robust system” allows those people (like, general managers, for instance) to steal a bunch of money and break a bunch of laws. He shoulda paid his bribes, yo.
This is small potatoes compared to the TARP:
Irish bailout: $112.61 billion
European Union finance ministers expected to sign off on package later Sunday, media report says.
That’s pretty big, “Idaho sized”, potatoes considering that the population of Eire is something around 4 million - the size of Oregon.
Good point!
$112,610,000,000/4,000,000 = $28,152.50 per each man, woman and child.
That size bailout would not go very far in California, where the population is something like 37 million and many FB’s are hundreds of thousands of dollars underwater.
“…where the population is something like 37 million…”
PBear, don’t forget to count our undocumented “guests”.
U.S. economic preview
Jobs outlook still bearish
Despite payrolls’ strong gains in past three months, economists remain cautious about U.S. jobs. Report in coming week wild shed more light.
“Strong gains.”
If by strong gains, they mean, “stinks like the dead fish it is”, then yes I supposed there were gains.
“Mission Accomplished”? Or “Remember the Alemao?”
Brazil police claim victory in drugs ‘war’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/8166143/Brazil-police-claim-victory-in-drugs-war.html
Armed police in Rio de Janeiro claimed on Sunday to have defeated drugs gangs of up to 600 men who waged a week-long campaign of violence across two of the city’s slums that threatened the city’s image as a suitable venue for the Olympic Games.
A combined force of 2,600 police officers and soldiers with painted faces took control of the network of favelas known as the Complexo do Alemao, where hundreds of gang members were thought to be hiding.
“We won. We brought freedom to the residents of Alemao,” said Colonel Mario Sergio Duarte, head of Rio’s Military Police, after an operation backed by armoured military vehicles and low-flying helicopters.
….Police later hoisted the national flag of Brazil high above the Complexo do Alemao as a symbol of their victory in winning the area back from the drugs gangs.
To succeed an operation like this would have required a lot of advanced intel, so that the identities of the targets would be known in advance so they don’t just blend into the crowd like what happened with Sadams soldiers in Iraq…
Lying will get you everywhere in politics.
Posted on Sat, Nov. 27, 2010 10:15 PM
Cleaver’s absurd take on mortgage meltdown
By E. THOMAS McCLANAHAN
The Kansas City Star
One of the topics likely to come before the next Congress is what to do about the crippled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, whose reckless behavior contributed so much to the meltdown of 2008.
The financial hole dug by these two “government-sponsored enterprises” is so deep many experts aren’t sure how much filling it in it will cost. Estimates run in the hundreds of billions.
Given that, one would hope members of Congress have learned the primary lesson of ’08: that home ownership is no longer the surest route to personal prosperity.
Apparently, the lesson still hasn’t taken in some quarters, judging by a meeting in late October between The Star’s Editorial Board and U.S. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, a Missouri Democrat.
The discussion began with Cleaver announcing his priorities for the coming year, assuming his bid for re-election was successful (it was). One thing he wanted to do was make the Community Reinvestment Act “more impactful,” as he put it. The CRA requires banks to meet the needs of borrowers in all parts of the communities they serve, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.
That led to a discussion of Fannie and Freddie, both of which have placed heavy emphasis on extending credit to low-income borrowers. I asked whether Cleaver thought housing policy, and Fannie and Freddie in particular, had gone too far in pushing home ownership. His reply was jaw-dropping.
“There’s no evidence that anyone told Fannie and Freddie to make bad loans,” he said.
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“There’s no evidence that anyone told Fannie and Freddie to make bad loans,”
Except for profit-hungry stockholders. How’s that private mortgage market workin’ out for ya?
The private mortgage market is not working at all, thanks to the success of the GSEs towards inflating housing prices to levels which no private lender is willing to touch. Only the government can afford to make taxpayer-guaranteed loans when housing prices are poised to collapse.
Ergo hoc, propter hoc.
…hoc tui splat.
do bee do bee wa!
There are plenty of puclic companies with profit-hungry stockholders, though. I think the prob with FnF was the government backing. The explicitly non-government-backed, implicitly government-backed securities actually prevented either F from thinking about its own future. Huge profits could be garnered today with supposedly little risk of future losses.
Compare that with a truly private company. That type of thing doesn’t actually want to die, so it rarely shoots itslelf in the mouth, knees, stomach, and neck just for a little moola today.
“Compare that with a truly private company. That type of thing doesn’t actually want to die, so it rarely shoots itslelf in the mouth, knees, stomach, and neck just for a little moola today.”
Ummm… Aren’t you ignoring all of the big lenders, big investment banking companies, and big insurance companies? Many of the TBTF public firms operated as if they had a death-wish.
Yeah, I know. That’s the whole government corruption thing at play. I know it’s too hard to explain in a nutshell, but you’ve been blogging here for a long time, so I know you understand what I’m talking about. IMO, the Fs got the most of the government backing, and that’s how they got to be the leaders of the Banksterettes, but it’s all intertwined and stuff.
I think public companies do shoot themselves in the foot all the time. Normally, the free market sorts out the winner and losers, and the losers are either acquired by other companies, or expire.
Now, we seem to just be getting stuck with losers that keep hanging on, and on, and on…
Let the zombies die already.
But still, I totally agree Big V: the problem with FnF was the implicit government backing. That should never have existed, and we should be letting free-market forces kill them off, to be replaced by smaller smarter organizations.
“I think public companies do shoot themselves in the foot all the time.”
Nothing wrong with that, provided nobody asks me to share in the cost of bailing them out.
SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2010
Banks Face Another Mortgage Crisis
By JONATHAN R. LAING
The government may have bailed out the nation’s biggest banks, but now the courts will sort out who gets stuck with mortgage losses. Banks could lose more than $100 billion.
JUST WHEN AMERICA’S MAJOR BANKS seem to be back on their feet, having paid back federal bailout money and cranked up their employee bonus programs, a new threat has emerged that could seriously affect their earnings power over the next few years.
The potential liability facing bankers arises from the $2 trillion in subprime, alt-A and option-adjustable rate mortgages that they underwrote and sold to investors, mostly as mortgage-backed securities during the home-lending boom of 2005 to 2007. The losses on the mortgages will be horrendous before the dust settles—over $700 billion on these and other so-called nonagency mortgage securities, according to New York mortgage-research specialist and broker Amherst Securities Group.
And now investors—from the federal housing giants Fannie Mae (ticker: FNMA) and Freddie Mac (FMCC) to major bond managers like closely held Pacific Investment Management and BlackRock (BLK)—are fighting back. They are seeking to put back the mortgages to the banks from whence the investment flotsam came and force the banks to eat much of the mortgage losses.
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Talking Business
The Give and Take of Liar Loans
By JOE NOCERA
Published: November 26, 2010
Did you hear the one about Countrywide Financial demanding that mortgage originators buy back many of the so-called stated-income loans that it had purchased from them during the late great housing bubble?
Countrywide purchased stated-income loans, but is now insisting that the original lenders repurchase them.
It boggles the mind. This, after all, is Countrywide we’re talking about: Countrywide, which came to represent, in the public mind, the dirtiest of all the subprime lenders. Countrywide, which handed out fraudulent stated-income loans — they were often called “liar loans” — like candy. Countrywide, whose former chief executive, the disgraced Angelo Mozilo, once actually admitted to analysts, “I believe there is a lot of fraud in stated-income loans.”
This same company is now insisting that other lenders that made stated-income loans — loans that Countrywide eagerly bought to fatten its balance sheet — must repurchase them on the grounds that, golly, the loans turned out to be fraudulent. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
At least, it is until you realize one other salient fact: since early 2008, Countrywide has been owned by Bank of America. Then it all starts to make some perverse sense.
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Countrywide has always had this mentality. It’s in their “DNA”.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought most of the originators went Tango-Uniform two years ago.
Now BoA wants to do some financial necrophlia.
Bring a gas mask and lots of Astroglide, and make sure you let us all know how that works out……
Hey Housing Wizard, looks like you’re around today: sorry that I was hard on your sis/bil the other day. Sounds like it is easy to agree that they made some mistakes regardless of the details of what happened with their contractor…
But regardless, it is hard to watch those that we care about suffer from having been infected by the mania. It happened in my family, too…
Even those of us who saw it coming and tried to warn are impacted by seeing the effects around us on the ones we couldn’t save.
“It happened in my family, too…”
It happened to my friends and family as well…
Seems like a scene edited out of the film, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, or something.
How about, “Invasion of the Brain Snatchers”?
Next year, taxpayers in America’s heartland will continue to enjoy the pleasure of guaranteeing mortgages to California home buyers who want to finance home purchase of homes costing over $729,750. It’s great that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are able to continue their mission of providing affordable housing, even after their Fall 2008 collapse.
Jumbo Loan Limits Unchanged Through 2011
By Michael Kraus on November 22, 2010
A quick update here: the Federal Housing Finance Administration announced that jumbo loan limits are not changing in 2011.
In an effort to limit risk, Congress has limited the maximum loan size that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can purchase. This limit is known as the conforming loan limit, and anything above that limit is referred to as a jumbo loan. The conforming loan limit is set at $417,000, although in some high cost areas the conforming loan limit is as high as $729,750. High cost areas are places where the median home price exceeds the conforming limit. Some examples are New York City, Washington D.C., Miami, and many parts of California.
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“Total Mortgage founder and president John Walsh believes that conforming limits should be increased to $729,750 in all parts of the country in order to stimulate the jumbo housing market, which has been hurt badly by the recession.”
Everyone should have JUMBO debt!
Everyone who doesn’t want to have jumbo debt should be forced to guarantee that of anyone who wants it!
WASHINGTON – Job-based health care benefits could wind up on the chopping block if President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans get serious about cutting the deficit.
Budget proposals from leaders in both parties have urged shrinking or eliminating tax breaks that help make employer health insurance the leading source of coverage in the nation and a middle-class mainstay.
The idea isn’t to just raise revenue, economists say, but finally to turn Americans into frugal health care consumers by having them face the full costs of their medical decisions.
Such a re-engineering was rejected by Democrats only a few months ago, at the height of the health care overhaul debate. But Washington has changed, with Republicans back in power and widespread fears that the burden of government debt may drag down the economy.
“There is no short-term prospect of enactment,” former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, a leading Democratic adviser on health care. “However, in a tax reform (and) deficit reducing context in the long term, the prospects are much better,” said Daschle. He opposes repealing the tax break by itself, but says he would be “willing to look” at it with other changes that improve access to quality health care while reducing costs.
Labor unions believed they had squelched any such talk. Now, they’re preparing for another fight.
Tampering with health care tax breaks is “a terrible step in the wrong direction,” said Mary Kay Henry, the new president of the Service Employees International Union, which represents many hospital workers. “We want the middle class stabilized, not destabilized.”
Employer-provided health insurance is part of a worker’s compensation. Unlike wages, it isn’t subject to income and payroll taxes.
Repealing the tax break would raise several hundred billion dollars a year, depending on how it’s done. Many economists believe employers would boost pay if they didn’t provide health care. Proponents of repeal usually call for a tax credit to offset part of the cost of individually purchasing coverage.
The leaders of Obama’s deficit commission — Democrat Erskine Bowles, a former Clinton White House chief of staff, and Alan Simpson, a former GOP senator from Wyoming — have proposed to limit the tax break or eliminate it along with other cherished deductions, such as the one for mortgage interest. That would allow for a big cut in tax rates.
The commission is supposed to report its plan on Wednesday. It’s unclear if leaders have the votes to back their sweeping changes.
A separate group, the Bipartisan Policy Center, is proposing to cap the health care tax break in 2018 and eliminate it over the next 10 years. That’s part of a deficit reduction strategy from Democrat Alice Rivlin, a former Federal Reserve vice chairman, and former Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N-M., who once led the Senate Budget Committee.
“The problem of rising debt is so serious that Republicans and Democrats are going to have go back and look at almost everything to see how we solve this,” said Rivlin.
Simpson calls the health care tax break a “tax earmark.” He said that “you cannot get anything done in this game unless you deal with every single aspect of the federal budget, and the biggest thing to wrap our arms around is health care.”
Democrats struggled with proposals to curb the tax break during the health care debate, but strong opposition from organized labor won out. The compromise was a tax on high-cost health insurance plans, which won’t go into effect until 2018.
In a twist, the health care law eventually may make it easier to pry people away from employer insurance, a system that dates to World War II and has sustained three generations.
Starting in 2014, new insurance markets will make it easier for people to buy coverage on their own. These state-based “exchanges” would work like the federal employee health plan. Taxpayer subsidies will help individuals and families with low to moderate incomes pay premiums.
Our country is run by of and for corporations. Seriously they pass a health care law that requires people have insurance then they will push this law through doing away with employer health insurance. I love the quote that says many economists believe companies will raise pay to offset the loss of insurance. Yeah that will happen. I love how the bailout goes to the rich and is carried out on the backs of the middle class.
“The idea isn’t to just raise revenue, economists say, but finally to turn Americans into frugal health care consumers by having them face the full costs of their medical decisions.”
High deductible plans are already doing this. My GP’s practice resembles a ghost town these days as their only customers seem to be the medicare crowd.
I have coworkers with kids who are on the HD plan. None of them have a “family doctor”. If someone gets sick they just go to the “clinic” where they pay out of pocket on a sliding scale. The waits to see the nurse practitioner can be very long though.
I have coworkers with kids who are on the HD plan. None of them have a “family doctor”. If someone gets sick they just go to the “clinic” where they pay out of pocket on a sliding scale. The waits to see the nurse practitioner can be very long though.
You guys are world-wide JOKE in health-care. Number 1 my a$#!! At what? Jobs? Health-care? LOL Sad…..
Hey, if you guys try up there you can become a 1st world country someday.
(just sadly kidding, I’m 1 of u 2)
This is what the conservative authoritarians wanted. Reward the wealthy elite because they know best, punish everyone else…. right down to the homeless and jobless.
This will put a big dent in the health care racketeering. When people shop I am sure they will find a bargain. Only if the politicos don’t screw this up again.
“…..just sure that they will find a bargain”
Go ahead and try it.
Insurance companies only want to insure the people who don’t actually have a risk of filing a claim. If you are 40 or older, or have any pre-existing conditions, forget about it. At least anything that’s affordable.
The best plan I’ve found has a $5000 deductible, and a monthly bill that’s 25% of my take-home…….$1000 plus a month.
So I go without.
The cost of dropping coverage, paying the penalty and allowing employees to receive their coverage through the exchange is much less than maintaining health coverage for employees. Covering dependents up until age 26 under their parents’ coverage is further hurting companies financially.
In November, when the government proposed an 8% payroll tax on companies that didn’t offer coverage, Caterpillar estimated it could shave $25 million a year, or almost 10% from its bill. Now, because the $2,000, in the final bill is far lower than 8%, it could reduce its bill by over 70% (yes, 70%!) by dropping coverage and paying the penalty instead. AT&T spends $2.4 billion a year on coverage for its almost 300,000 active employees. Their costs would fall to $600 million if they drop coverage.
What it comes down to is it’s a lot cheaper to “pay” than “play.”
“Many economists believe employers would boost pay if they didn’t provide health care.”
Hahahahahaha! I want some of what they’re smoking.
Can anyone who thinks they understand please explain why Republicrat politicians favor policies which encourage low-income American households to buy homes they cannot afford, increasing the percentage of Americans who will face future financial hardship? I never did understand ‘affordable’ housing policy, and I still don’t get it.
“Can anyone who thinks they understand please explain why Republicrat politicians favor policies which encourage low-income American households to buy homes they cannot afford,”
Way too easy, PB: it creates a new generation of debt-slaves. And big business loves debt-slaves.
Your someone in america if you can tell your friends you own a home?
Oh geez — how could I have forgotten: Wall Street’s great vampire squid business model depends on having myriad parasitic hosts stuck with barely-manageable debt burdens and shaky credit ratings, which enable the squids to charge extra-high interest rates and to savor the prospect for many future opportunities to foreclose on failed hosts’ former homes.
Because they KNEW the buyers would default and they could foreclose and then resell for a profit because prices were going up.
Then they could also sell the bad debt and make money from that as well. Both to other banks and then to debt collectors.
Car dealers play the same game. They can repo the car with less than 10k and still resell it as new.
Was this a trick question?
Oops. I left out the processing fees both coming and going.
For heaven’s sake, don’t leave out the taxpayer-provided bailouts in the event of systemic failure. These are worth hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars to vampire squid operations.
DOH! (my bad)
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Orwell forgot one:
DEBT IS WEALTH
And of course Debt is managed by the Ministry of Wealth
GREED IS GOOD (Gordon Gekko version)
GREED IS GOD (great vampire squid version)
Still the Best Congress Money Can Buy
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/opinion/28rich.html
The Great Depression ended the last comparable Gilded Age, of the 1920s, and brought about major reforms in American government and business. Not so the Great Recession. Last week, as the Fed’s new growth projections downsized hope for significant decline in the unemployment rate, the Commerce Department reported that corporate profits hit a record high. Those profits aren’t trickling down into new jobs or into higher salaries for those not in the executive suites. And the prospect of serious regulation of those at the top of the top — the financial sector — is even more of a fantasy in the new Congress than it was in its predecessor.
Eco! We need the wealthy elite…. we need corporations….. we NEED them. Rush Limbard sez so.
America is falling apart
January 10, 2009
Rachel is a breath of fresh air in a media choked up with corporate funded nutjobs.
Boom in Counterfeit Money as the Economy Collapses
January 01, 2009
Adventures in homeownership
Last year was out first year for having a house to put Christmas lights out. We did a fairly nice display. Unfortunately, we shorted out a number of those long-lasting LED strands, and I thought I’d post a warning about them to the nice folks on the blog:
No matter how long-lived a bulb is, it is not protected from corrosion in the socket. While LEDs are sturdier than comparable incandescent strands, don’t clip them to your gutter. Hang them underneath.
Particularly if your gutters are clogged with the muck of years.
Dang! I hate when that happens!
Heh. We had an unusually wet year last year, and I hadn’t managed to clean the gutters very well (pregnant!) so there was a waterfall effect going on. There were actual rust streaks down the affected strands.
We’re going to be doing some salvage work on the strands, starting with fuses and going from there. Worst comes to worst, I’ll have a lot of white and blue LEDs. I’m sure I can figure out some sort of hack with them.
Update: Only one strand was not fixable, and that one had no fewer than two dozen corroded bulbs. The rest required either a few bulb replacements, new fuses, or just to not be connected to the bad strands.
Win!
Two bits I found via Survivalblog:
7 Towns Where Land Is Free
To take advantage of the free land in Marne, applicants need only to submit a proposed floor plan for the house they want to build. It’s not restrictive, but Baxter notes that it must be within reason– no trailer homes, no horses or livestock. Among the unreasonable proposals for the land: “They want to bring a camper in hogs, or store junk there.”
http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/111360/7-towns-where-land-is-free?mod=realestate-buy
Another step closer to Mad Max?
Is Your New Neighbor a Squatter?
In an upscale enclave in the San Fernando Valley, there’s a new neighbor on the block. He drives a big Mercedes, sometimes a fancy SUV and residents say he’s been living in a three-story mansion, which was empty and going into foreclosure.
His name is Dawud Walli, and neighbors say he moved into a huge empty home last July, furnishing nearly every room of the house.
“We feel unsafe. We can’t sleep. We have families,” say some of the residents who live nearby.
They say Walli made this a party house.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/Squatters-110233439.html?dr
http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/2010-11-29/france-seizes-euro-36bn-of-pension-assets
First Hungary, then Ireland, and now France are seizing private pension funds as a finger-in-the-dike measure to pay off the bankers and ensure a comfortable retirement for politicians and public sector workers. Look for Wall Street’s Establishment GOP political action arm to faciliate a looting binge of private pension funds, before a resurgent DNC can raid those same accounts to fund its ever-growing votes-for-entitlements schemes.
The People against Wall Street: The Fed`s Quantitative Easing Violates the Rule of Law
We Need A Rally To Restore The Rule Of Law And/Or The Constitution
by David DeGraw
Global Research, November 16, 2010
The Federal Reserve represents global banking interests who have overstepped their legal authority. Their Quantitative Easing program is an explicit violation of the Constitution. By deliberately devaluing the dollar and causing the price of basic necessities to rise, the Federal Reserve is, as a matter of strategic policy, sacrificing a significant percentage of the US population for the benefit of a few global bankers. In the process, they are also igniting a global currency war that threatens the security of the American people. In clear terms, the Federal Reserve’s actions represent a declaration of war against the people of the United States.
Now that comedians like Glenn Beck, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert have demonstrated the ability to rally thousands of Americans, don’t you think it’s time to have a serious rally to restore the rule of law and the Constitution?
How much longer are we going to remain passive while global banking interests rob us of our national wealth and destroy the fabric of our society. Our nation has become a banana republic where the rule of law has become a farce and clearly doesn’t apply to one-tenth of one percent of the population. Anyone who has been paying attention realizes that an organized criminal operation has taken over the United States.
The collapse of the housing market was the result of organized criminal activity, from top to bottom. The people who committed the largest financial crime in the history of the United States were rewarded with trillions of dollars in national wealth, and continue to be rewarded as this criminal activity continues unabated.
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The Federal Reserve represents global banking interests who have overstepped their legal authority. Their Quantitative Easing program is an explicit violation of the Constitution.
Damn Right. This whole thing is crap.
Blah blah blah. Like a bunch of people holding signs on sticks and yelling simplistic slogans are ever going to change anything.
More Burdensome to Pay Rent Than to Be a Mortgage Deadbeat
by Hans Bader
November 28, 2010 @ 12:42 pm
Under government mortgage bailout/modification programs, the mortgage payments of many delinquent borrowers were cut to 31 percent of income, even for borrowers with high incomes and big houses. That cut was based on the false assumption that anything over that percentage was unaffordable (and perhaps even predatory lending). But people often pay far more than that in rent and mortgage payments, especially in prosperous regions like Washington, D.C. So mortgage deadbeats are sometimes getting their payments cut well below what their responsible neighbors have to pay — not merely getting relief from a bad deal.
“One in five renters and one in seven homeowners in the Washington area spend more than half their income on housing, according to census figures,” notes a recent Washington Post story. Much of the population in the counties surrounding Washington, D.C. spent more than 30 percent: “In Fairfax County, for example, more than half the renters with household incomes of $50,000 to $75,000 spent more than 30 percent of their income last year to keep a roof over their heads,” as did “more than six out of 10 homeowners in that income bracket in Prince George’s and Prince William counties,” and “more than half” in Washington, D.C. itself.
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More Burdensome to Pay Rent Than to Be a Mortgage Deadbeat
It’s all BS, banker crap.
They’ve taken over our lives, our kid’s lives, our future and our rationality.
And they’re going to make huge bonuses this year as last.
Happy?
Real Estate November 28, 2010, 9:10PM EST
The Next Home Buyers: Ozzie & Harriet
As Americans cease looking at homes as ATMs, new buyers are better off taking a more traditional approach
By David Bogoslaw
It’s an unsettling time to be shopping for a home. Home values have yet to stabilize in three-quarters of U.S. metropolitan areas. Alarm about so-called robo-signing of foreclosure paperwork has raised fundamental questions about who owns a property’s title. And, while unlikely, two bipartisan commissions have suggested capping or killing the previously sacrosanct tax deductibility of mortgage interest.
As a result, home shoppers are being forced to accept a more traditional view of a real estate purchase: seeing their new home more as a savings account than as an investment. That represents a switch from how many owners thought during the go-go years of surging home prices and easy money, says Stan Humphries, chief economist of real estate information and listings website Zillow. “It’s essentially a forced savings plan, putting aside a percentage of your income into a savings account that is a non-depreciating asset in typical times,” he says.
Of course, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. From the 1950s through the mid-1990s, home values appreciated 2 percent to 4 percent a year, on average, just beating the rate of inflation. The challenge is that Humphries also thinks home values won’t bottom nationally until June 2011 at the earliest. Even when home values bottom out, Humphries expects an L-shaped bottom. His grim outlook is based on the fact that 23.2 percent of single-family homes across the U.S. had negative equity in the third quarter—which means high foreclosure rates will likely persist, while underlying demand for housing remains weaker due to high unemployment. The Obama Administration doesn’t expect unemployment to return to a normal range, below 6 percent, until 2015, according to the Office of Management and Budget’s mid-session review released in July.
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Some homeowners still owe after short sale
A short sale allows people to sell their homes for less than they owe.
By Catherine Reagor, The Arizona Republic
PHOENIX — Some former homeowners who went through short sales to avoid foreclosure are finding they are still in debt to their lenders.
Because the short-sale concept, which allows people to sell their homes for less than they owe, is designed specifically to help homeowners avoid having to pay their lenders more money, some sellers have been careful to negotiate their deals so the lender, by contract, can’t later seek payment. Those who haven’t done so are at risk.
“I know that there is a great deal of confusion and uncertainty about this issue,” said Michelle Lind, general counsel for the Arizona Association of Realtors. In Arizona, many people thought they were covered by a law that bars lenders from seeking payment from a borrower after foreclosure if a bank cannot sell a property for as much as was owed.
“The law is unclear,” she said, “and there are many variables that factor in.”
Tricia Goldblatt sold her Phoenix home through a short sale last year after losing her job as an executive assistant at an engineering firm. A few months ago, she started receiving calls from a collection agency.
“They are telling me I owe $10,000. I did a short sale to get out from under my mortgage,” she said. “I don’t have that money. I had to move in with my mom.”
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“But the collection agency said it bought the note on her home-equity loan from her lender and wants to be paid.”
Sorry ’bout that home-equity loan, sweetie. You had your fun, and you have to pay for it. Did you really think the taxpayers should absorb your fun ticket?
Some of my relatives have recently scored some pretty good home purchases along the Wasatch Front. The latest:
BIL bought himself a 4000 sq ft short sale home (reportedly one of many recent short sales) for $240,000. If my math is right, that works out to $60/sq ft.
As the announcers often said during the world cup, GOOOOOOAAAAALLLLLLL!!!
Wonderful! That’s a good deal if’n the house is in decent shape.
4000 sq ft
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US fast-tracks foreclosures through courts
By Andres Schipani in Jacksonville
Published: November 28 2010 22:10 | Last updated: November 28 2010 22:10
“I am required to bring this case to a conclusion. I am setting the date of foreclosure for January 12. I wish you well,” the duty judge told Anthony Bell, who was soaking up his tears with the last tissue from a box placed in front of him at courtroom 58 of the Duval County Courthouse.
After eight minutes, that was the end of case 5543, “Wells Fargo Bank versus Anthony Bell”, for a property in Orange Park, Jacksonville.
In October 2009, Mr Bell, a manager at McDonald’s, the restaurant chain, stopped making payments on his mortgage after his wife lost her job with Citibank. “I’ve been devastated,” Mr Bell said.
He has enough reasons to be. In April his wife died of a heart attack (financial stress “was consuming her”) and in July the bank entered the default notice on his house. “The bank was just interested in getting some money back. And the judge, well, he needed to get my case out of the way as quickly as possible,” Mr Bell said as he left the courthouse.
After dismissing Mr Bell, the judge began signing off on uncontested home repossession cases as fast as his clerk could pile up the folders, sometimes less than a minute per file. Thousands of cases are awaiting judgment and more are filed each day.
“We are overbooked, just like airlines,” the judge, who declined to be named, told the Financial Times afterwards.
“But it’s all working fine, fine and fair.”
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If enough boomers die of financial stress in the next 10 years, then Social Security and Medicare will be solvent again.
FHA’s Stevens Reports: Downpayment Assistance May Wind Up Costing the FHA $13.6 Billion
Tue, 2010-11-16 16:07
David Stevens at Podium
The report found that loans insured before 2009 are responsible for 70 percent of the expected single-family FHA loan losses. Even though they are now prohibited, “seller-financed downpayment assistance loans” produced $6.6 billion in claims to date with the FHA, and may ultimately cost the agency approximately $13.6 billion. Without these seller-financed loans, FHA’s capital ratio would be above the congressionally-mandated two percent threshold.
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Mangano Announces HOME Down Payment Program Through Grant From HUD
Friday, 19 November 2010
Initiative Will Help First-time Buyers in Nassau County
Those who hope to fulfill the dream of owning their first home were given an edge this week when Nassau County Executive Edward P. Mangano announced a new program that will provide down payment assistance.
“There are few things more gratifying in life than owning your first home,” said Mangano. “One of those things is being able to help others realize that dream. Nassau is doing just that with the HOME program.”
The 2010-2011 HOME Down Payment Assistance Program will help first-time buyers who qualify with up to $20,000 in assistance toward a down payment. One requirement for those who apply is to contribute a minimum of $3,000 toward the down payment. The program is being run in conjunction with the Long Island Housing Partnership (LIHP). The monies are being granted to the county by the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).
“The Long Island Housing Partnership is pleased to continue our partnership with Nassau County in providing down payment assistance to first time homebuyers,” said LIHP President Peter Elkowitz. “I would like to thank County Executive Mangano for the opportunity to implement this worthwhile program and we look forward to working with Nassau County on bringing the American Dream of home ownership to the residents of the county.”
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HOME = Handed Others’ Mortgage Expenses?
Lower housing prices = more sales activity. What could be simpler?
Home Buying Gets Tougher as Lenders Restrict FHA Loans
By Jody Shenn and John Gittelsohn - Nov 17, 2010 11:41 AM PT
The U.S. home-ownership rate remained at a 10-year low in the quarter ended Sept. 30, in part because of rising foreclosures, the U.S. Census Bureau reported. Photographer: Jim R. Bounds/Bloomberg
Nov. 17 (Bloomberg) — Home ownership may be falling out of reach for more Americans as lenders toughen their standards for Federal Housing Administration-insured loans beyond what the agency itself requires.
Mortgage lenders including Wells Fargo & Co. and Bank of America Corp., the two largest, have raised the minimum credit score on FHA-insured loans that they will buy to 640 from 620. About 6.3 million people fall within that range, according to FICO, which created the formula for the ratings.
The higher hurdles for FHA loans, used in about a fifth of U.S. home purchases, add to challenges for a housing market already struggling with record-low sales and surging foreclosures. While lax lending fueled the bust that led the U.S. into recession, the new requirements will stifle the real estate recovery needed to revive the economy, said Ron Phipps, president of the National Association of Realtors.
“We’ve gone from silly to stupid,” Phipps, principal partner of Phipps Realty Inc., said in a telephone interview from his home in Warwick, Rhode Island. “People who should be getting credit can’t get it. To have a healthy real estate market, you need activity. You need transactions.”
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Churn is good.
A one-month price decline of 0.8% occurs at an annualized rate of ((1-0.008)^12-1)*100 = -9.2%.
market pulse
Nov. 28, 2010, 7:01 p.m. EST
British house prices down 0.8% in Nov.: Hometrack
By William L. Watts
LONDON (MarketWatch) — The average British house price fell 0.8% in November as demand faltered, property-analysis firm Hometrack said Monday. The firm’s national housing survey found a 4.3% drop in demand in November, the fifth consecutive monthly decline and the largest fall since January 2009. “Concerns over the economic outlook on the back of recent spending cuts together with widespread expectations that house prices are set for a period of retrenchment, are driving the continued weakness in demand,” said Richard Donnell, research director at Hometrack.
WASHINGTON | The jobs crisis has brought an unwelcome discovery for many unemployed Americans: Job openings in their old fields exist. Yet they no longer qualify for them.
They’re running into a trend that took root during the recession. Companies became more productive by doing more with fewer workers. Some asked staffers to take on a broader array of duties - duties that used to be spread among multiple jobs. Now, someone who hopes to get those jobs must meet the new requirements.
As a result, some database administrators now have to manage network security.
Accountants must do financial analysis to find ways to cut costs.
Factory assembly workers need to program computers to run machinery.
The broader responsibilities mean it’s harder to fill many of the jobs that are open these days. It helps explain why many companies complain they can’t find qualified people for certain jobs, even with 4.6 unemployed Americans, on average, competing for each opening. By contrast, only 1.8 people, on average, were vying for each job opening before the recession.
This is especially true in IT. The field changes so fast that your skills can become outdated quickly.
During my last bout of unemployment, I was frustrated by the knowledge that every day I wasn’t working and my competition was, was a day that they were gaining experience and I wasn’t.
And the advice to reinvent yourself means you are starting at the bottom again.
Banks can fail and life does not end in fact citizens maybe better off
“Iceland’s President Olafur R. Grimsson said his country is better off than Ireland thanks to the government’s decision to allow the banks to fail two years ago and because the krona could be devalued.
“The difference is that in Iceland we allowed the banks to fail,” Grimsson said in an interview with Bloomberg Television’s Mark Barton today. “These were private banks and we didn’t pump money into them in order to keep them going; the state did not shoulder the responsibility of the failed private banks.”
“How far can we ask ordinary people — farmers and fishermen and teachers and doctors and nurses — to shoulder the responsibility of failed private banks,” said Grimsson. “That question, which has been at the core of the Icesave issue, will now be the burning issue in many European countries.”
“How far can we ask ordinary people — farmers and fishermen and teachers and doctors and nurses — to shoulder the responsibility of failed private banks,”
This would be a very good question for Washington, DC policymakers to answer, as well.