November 29, 2010

Bits Bucket For November 29, 2010

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Comment by DennisN
2010-11-29 01:33:38

Yesterday we were discussing the Irish bailout in terms of its GDP. I figure this is as good a time as any to refresh people’s memories about this map which shows the US states labeled with countries of similar GDPs.

http://bigthink.com/ideas/21182

The map shows Ireland has a similar GDP to the state of Nevada.

I really like this map - it helps to put the problems of EU countries into perspective.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 14:10:54

Good find, Dennis!

Comment by DennisN
2010-11-29 16:38:38

I’m not sure why this post took all day to appear.

This guy’s site is a classic. It presents all kinds of interesting facts in the form of maps. A recent map shows how the western US states would be better apportioned by watershed, rather than arbitrary straight lines. Idaho comes closest to this idea since it’s roughly the watershed of the mighty Snake river.

Comment by jane
2010-11-29 22:19:48

Dennis, thank you for this! I LOOOVVE maps.

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Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-11-29 20:51:52

Nice to see fellow posters who have a capacity for reason and reasonableness.

Good find and post. Thanks, Dennis.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-11-29 03:51:40

Life sucks then you get a bailout.

Comment by polly
2010-11-29 06:13:51

Happy cyber-Monday! Is there any way to mess up the stats? Access amazon and view a bunch of items but not buy anything? Do they care about how many people actually purchase items after viewing them?

Comment by whyoung
2010-11-29 07:07:57

and perhaps filling them abandoning a “shopping cart”?

Comment by polly
2010-11-29 10:47:43

How would amazon know that you had really abandoned the shopping cart? They know that you put stuff in it and then never checked out, but as far as they know you may come back to it? This seems to me to be one of the ways in which on-line shopping is different than going to a store. If you fill up a cart at Target and then leave without buying anything, then they know that it has been abandoned at closing time. Maybe if you put the stuff in the cart and then explicitly emptied it?

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Comment by whyoung
2010-11-29 11:55:16

If you’ve got cookies or have signed in to put something on a wish list or check a shipment I think they can specifically track you as things can still be in your cart when you go back.

Not sure if they can or do track IP addresses, but think it’s possible.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 17:58:21

More sophisticated cart metrics are based on duration of time from filling the cart to checkout.

Technically, unless there is a direct and clear progression from choosing and then buying, a cart is considered abandoned if it takes longer than the standard timing model and is given importance by length of time abandoned.

Shopping sites also put a limit to how long they will hold a cart and this varies from company to company.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 18:02:44

Yes. IP addressees are easily traceable and tracked.

 
 
 
Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 08:32:10

Yes they do. I some times get sale emails containing items I viewed but never bought.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 08:50:57

I’m getting hammered with Cyber Monday offers. And, so far, I’ve deleted every one of them.

Part of the reason is that I don’t need what these sellers are offering.

Another part is that I replaced faucet washers over the weekend. Just an innocent-looking Price Pfister faucet in one of my bathrooms. And all I had to do was remove a cap, a phillips screw, and the stem.

Well, one of those phillips screws was on so tight that I had to drill it out. And I had to go buy a drill. (Yes, I know. I should have been the proud owner of a drill for a long time.) And I had to find the correct bit to do the actual drilling. That took three trips to two different stores.

After blowing the better part of Friday away on this project, I have a faucet that no longer leaks. And I’ll be better prepared for when this washer-changing thing happens again.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-29 09:02:08

WD40 can be your friend.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-11-29 09:17:00

Actually vinegar may dissolve mineral deposits from plumbing fixtures.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 09:37:27

WD40 can be your friend.

In this particular case, vinegar can be your friend.

One of things I could have done the day before the repair was to remove the cap on the faucet bonnet, then spray white vinegar around the head of the screw. And I could have just used my other bathroom while I let the vinegar soak in around that stuck screw.

This extra step might have dissolved the calcium that was holding the screw so tightly. Then again, maybe not.

With every home repair job, I learn a lot. That’s why I persist until the end, even if it would be easier and faster to call a plumber.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-11-29 10:29:21

And don’t confuse Phillips and Pozidrive screws.

 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2010-11-29 10:33:09

I learned the hard way that there are limitations to my DYI “skills”, and when a professional should be called in (like when I get tired of hearing the wifey bitching about the water and/or electricity being turned off for hours at a time). Besides, it’s getting harder and harder for this old body to crawl underneath cars and into tight places!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 06:15:57

Just when you think you are about to escape from too-big-to-fail hell, you get another bailout dropped on your plate.

* November 29, 2010, 11:45 AM GMT

Do Not Exit Here
By Nicholas Hastings

Ireland has just slammed the door on Jean-Claude Trichet’s exit strategy.

Or, to be more accurate, poor market reaction to Ireland’s €85 billion debt bailout has slammed the euro.

The European Central Bank’s president has long been edging towards the exit, nervous that the bank’s provision of ultra-cheap liquidity for the euro-zone banking community is stoking inflation problems for the future.

With the bank’s staff likely to upgrade both its growth and CPI forecasts at this week’s ECB meeting on Thursday, there has been even more pressure on Trichet to call an end to this support for the euro zone’s banks.

Now he can’t.

Comment by Rancher
2010-11-29 08:42:39

EU ministers tonight spelt out the terms of Ireland’s €85bn international financial rescue package, and revealed the Dublin government will have to raid its national pension fund and other cash reserves for €17.5bn as a condition of the deal to bail out its banks and debt-laden economy.

The unexpected contribution from Ireland was demanded at a hastily arranged meeting of the eurozone’s finance ministers, who were desperate to secure a deal before the markets open tomorrow.

France, now Ireland

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-29 04:27:02

Check this out. In Brazil when you buy a whole chicken at about $1.35 a pound, in the giblet bag they also include the chicken feet and the head is still attached to the neck. What’s up with that? Some housing news:

From England:
Hometrack: House prices fall for fifth consecutive month in November
http://www.financemarkets.co.uk/2010/11/29/hometrack-house-prices-fall-for-fifth-consecutive-month-in-november/

According to housing intelligence group, Hometrack, house prices in England and Wales fell for the fifth consecutive month in November.

According to Hometrack, house prices fell by 0.8% on the month in November to £155,000.

China: Housing bubble risk intensifies in Hong Kong
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/85525/20101124/housing-bubble-risk-hong-kong.htm

When asked why the government tightened its fight of the housing bubble by adding taxes, officials said that the property speculation has intensified in Hong Kong, and the administration does not rule out tabling more measures to cool the housing market….The situation has been deteriorated suddenly,…”The abundant liquidity worldwide has led to overheated speculative activities,”

From Northeast Louisiana:
Local housing market flourishes
Home values increase from last year
http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20101129/NEWS01/11290307

“Our home values have risen each year except 2008, and even then there was only a slight decline,” said Darryl Beasley, chief executive of Coldwell Banker Group One Realty, the market’s largest residential real estate company….Ouachita Parish’s housing market was ranked in the top 10 buyers’ markets in the United States for 2010 by Housing Predictor.

2009 average home price: $143, 422
2010 average home price: $144,258
2009 average days on the market: 126
2010 average days on the market: 125

Canada: No sign Canada has a housing bubble — Flaherty (Reuters) -
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSOLANME65120101123

There is no sign that Canada has a housing bubble, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said on Tuesday, dismissing the idea the country was facing the same kind of property crisis as Ireland.

“The evidence is not there that Canada has a housing bubble. In fact, the evidence with respect to affordability of mortgages in Canada is solid and we have a stable market,” he told the House of Commons finance committee.

“It’s a long, long stretch to compare our housing market with that of Ireland,”

Comment by polly
2010-11-29 06:19:32

“In Brazil when you buy a whole chicken at about $1.35 a pound, in the giblet bag they also include the chicken feet and the head is still attached to the neck. What’s up with that?”

People in Brazil know how to cook chicken feet? They can tell how fresh a chicken is by looking at the head (like people tell you to look at the eye of a whole fish)? People in Brazil (who can afford to buy chickens) actually have a cleaver so they can take the head off themselves and don’t freak out over the fact that their meat used to be alive?

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-11-29 13:46:22

I had dinner in a restaurant in Chinatown (SF) once, where they had cooked ducks feet displayed in the storefront window. My friend suggested we try them. I didn’t really care for the look of them to begin with, they looked just like fresh flappers from a duck, but he ordered them nonetheless and they came served in a little dish with some white vinegar as a condiment. YEEEEUCK. I could only gag down one bite of those rubbery little rowing machines.

 
 
Comment by JackRussell
2010-11-29 06:37:04

Some people eat chicken feet - I have seen them in some Chinese restaurants (but they typically only put those on the part of the menu that is only in Chinese).

Canada can try to deny that it has a bubble, but it doesn’t change the fundamentals. I tend to go with Garth Turner’s views.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-29 08:14:42

Willie nelson likes brownies! I guess border control sicked the dogs on willies bus, and well guess what? They found a few dubbies and arrest the guy.They were sparaying all over the media this weekend like it was big news.Country star arrested in Texas! What a joke.

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 08:39:33

And he didn’t even cross the border!

They still needed probable cause to search. I bet they decided to search prior them finding out it was Willie’s bus.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-11-29 08:57:21

“They still needed probable cause to search.”

Not for long. What the TSA is doing will soon be standard procedure by every police agency in the country. TSA is the precedent.

 
Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 10:30:17

We are almost there. This guy had rubber bands in his car:

http://m.philly.com/phillycom/pm_101841/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=AHEAXgmp

 
Comment by polly
2010-11-29 10:50:31

Interstate travel is constitutionally protected (commerce clause). Travel by airplane is not.

 
Comment by Spokaneman
2010-11-29 11:20:34

Would you exlaborate on this comment? Do interstate airline flights fall under different legal constraints than do intrastate flights?

 
Comment by clark
2010-11-29 11:28:06

That is incorrect, polly. There are several Supreme Court decisions saying otherwise. Travel is a right. All travel.

 
Comment by polly
2010-11-29 11:31:28

Not particularly a constitutional scholar here, but the commerce clause has long been liberally interpreted. The government can’t keep you from moving yourself or your goods across state lines (assuming that ownership of those goods is legal in the first place). There is no requirement that I am aware of that you be allowed to do that movement in an airplane, whether interstate or intrastate.

 
Comment by polly
2010-11-29 11:36:34

I am, of course, referring to state governments, which are the ones who are forbidden from interfering with interstate commerce. You really have to push it to find an exception - use taxes for items purchased in other states that don’t have sales taxes is about all I can think of. But basically, the regulation of movement among the states is federal only and they use that power to promote and protect free movement.

 
Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 13:23:03

Southwest won a case or two establishing the right to fly intra-state without needing the permission of the Federal government.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-11-29 13:38:58

Polly appears to be one of the sheep that doesn’t mind being herded into ever-smaller pens. Oh look, the last pen has an exit that leads to that big building.

 
Comment by Spokaneman
2010-11-29 15:00:56

Interestingly, they have been using the back scatter machines in Spokane since at least mid-summer, when I had my first experience with one. Why Spokane got them earlier than others, I don’t know. Other than the annoyance of having to take everything out of your pockets, including boarding passes, which I always put in my side pocket so I know where it is, the process seemed pretty benign to me. I been through the machine at least four times in Spokane, but don’t recall if they were using them on return flights or not.

Dispite Shaun Hannity’s rage against the machine, it seems like a small price to pay for whatever degree of security it provides.

So far I have avoided the new pat-downs, though as a previous multi-year 100K flyer, I had my share of “enhanced screenings” when I was a real road warrior.

 
Comment by clark
2010-11-29 21:31:29

“the process seemed pretty benign to me.”

Something Marie Curie might have said as she carried test tubes containing radioactive isotopes in her pocket and stored them in her desk drawer, remarking on the pretty blue-green light that the substances gave off in the dark.

However, She wasn’t trading her liberty and privacy for a false sense of security.

Everyone has a right to be free from being assaulted and detained when they travel.

But I guess the brain snatchers have stuck yet again and this idea is no longer popular.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 08:44:52

They found a few dubbies and arrest the guy ??

Law’s that keep us safe and keep the machines going; Ka-Ching….

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Comment by potential buyer
2010-11-29 10:24:04

They found 6 ouncies, which for Willie is probably a week’s supply.

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Comment by whyoung
2010-11-29 08:56:44

We export chicken feet to China.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 09:37:50

I read an article on that a few years ago. Apparently they are called chicken “paws”.

Go figure.

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Comment by Carlos4
2010-11-29 14:39:56

“Phoenix Claws” in some C. restaurants. Meh.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-11-29 09:19:47

Ya gotta love the HBB. Everything from butter and chicken feet to screwdrivers to the philosophy of Ayn Rand… :lol:

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 06:58:40

Check this out. In Brazil when you buy a whole chicken at about $1.35 a pound, in the giblet bag they also include the chicken feet and the head is still attached to the neck. What’s up with that? Some housing news:

My grandmother could make some real good tasting chicken soup from chicken feet and the giblets. Would probably cost around 25 cents a serving in 2010…

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 07:15:13

“In Brazil when you buy a whole chicken at about $1.35 a pound”

Interesting, I can get a whole chicken at Sams Club for 89 cents a pound (maybe you meant 1.35 a kilo).

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-29 08:39:20

Chicken head and feet and price per lb:

I ate my first chicken feet last year at an Asian market in the USA. I roasted these Brazilian chicken feet along with the chicken and they were OK but not as good as the Asian ones. I cooked the head too but there was no meat on it. I won’t bother next time but now I’ll look at it and ask it “How you doin’?”

I can get a whole chicken at Sams Club for 89 cents a pound (maybe you meant 1.35 a kilo).

No it’s really like $1.35 a pound at a higher end supermarket like a small Safeway. R$5 per kilo at 1.70 R$ per 1 US dollar.

Rio is expensive and the Brazilian Real is very strong right now especially against the dollar. And Brazilians pay a higher percentage of their income on food than do Americans. (Unless you shop at Whole Foods, (whole paycheck))

Regular white eggs are like 2 dollars a dozen but the Brazilian dozen is still 12.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 08:51:05

I can still get eggs for $1/dozen. I guess it pays to live in flyover country sometimes.

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Comment by polly
2010-11-29 10:42:15

Superfresh had a sale on eggs yesterday. 18 large white (why are they cheaper than the brown ones, anyway?) for $1.99.

 
Comment by whyoung
2010-11-29 12:02:09

Brown eggs are more expensive because some people (incorrectly) think they are different/better.

Around here regular eggs run about $2/dozen, but seems like a different store has them on sale every week for a $1. (as a loss leader?) (Esp. the Target that has just added a grocery section.)

 
Comment by evildoc
2010-11-29 16:17:12

Perhaps they mix it up with rice…

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-11-29 16:27:33

Paul’s markets here in Boise always have local eggs cheap. Last week they had TWO dozen large eggs for $1.

I probably eat too many eggs at breakfasts….

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-11-29 09:19:37

Here in Idaho the Fish & Game people are trying to help with the high cost of food. They are working on a rules change which will legalize picking up roadkill for personal use. :lol:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/11/29/1436186/harwood-lauds-agencys-review-of.html

Republican Rep. Dick Harwood says he hates to see dead wildlife - and their pelts - go to waste.

While the Idaho Fish and Game Commission opposed a bill from Harwood this year that would have allowed the public to snatch up roadkill, the agency is taking another look at the idea.

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Comment by polly
2010-11-29 10:43:32

Calling ahansen…where is that roadkill recipe again?

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2010-11-29 12:42:11

If it’s not stinking or fly-infested, partially freeze the carcass, skin, gut, cut away the yucky/smashed/partially scavenged parts, SOAK what’s left in kosher salt and sugar water overnight, slow smoke/jerk. Prepare and serve with a lot of chili powder and/or chutney. (Looking for the economic metaphor in here….)

Doesn’t work all that well for rattlesnake–least’n not in my experience.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-29 09:37:32

(Whole chicken) $1.35 a pound at a higher end supermarket like a small Safeway.

Darn. I should have walked 3 more blocks to this supermarket. They have frozen chicken for $1.07 per pound. (But maybe without the feet and head) And I’ll bet I can find chicken for about 90 cents a pound if I walked about 8 blocks and went to an even less expensive supermarket. The problem is I have an expensive supermarket a half block away.

http://www.zonasulatende.com.br/script/ZsaMontaFrame.cfm?pinturlalternativa=92&pStrBuscador=1&gclid=CL3_6fa3xqUCFYNk7Aod7325ag

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Comment by oxide
2010-11-29 12:14:06

They have Whole Paycheck in Brazil?!?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-29 13:21:30

They have Whole Paycheck in Brazil?!?

No. I meant if one shops at WholeFoods in the USA you’ll spend a greater percentage of your income on food than do most Americans.

They have a few smaller “natural, organic” type stores in Rio but nothing like the USA.

 
 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-11-29 10:27:05

Until we get away from trying to find the cheapest products and instead try to find the best tasting or best made, we are still fubar in the USA.

As an aside to this thread, we were out at several stores (no kidding!) this Saturday and the sales staffs reeked with desperation and the hard sell. Unfortunately, “desperation is a stinky cologne…”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 10:52:04

I saw the same thing.

Only place that was busy was the Food Conspiracy Co-op. I was in there on Saturday, and there were quite a few people who appeared to replenishing their larders. Reason: Their Thanksgiving guests were probably hungry again.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 18:12:33

Half the population can ONLY AFFORD the cheapest.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-29 04:36:56

Posted yesterday:

Iceland Is No Ireland as State Free of Bank Debt, Grimsson Says

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-26/iceland-faring-much-better-after-permitting-banks-to-fail-grimsson-says.html

Iceland’s President Olafur R. Grimsson said his country is better off than Ireland thanks to the government’s decision to allow the banks to fail two years ago and because the krona could be devalued.

“The difference is that in Iceland we allowed the banks to fail,” Grimsson said in an interview with Bloomberg Television’s Mark Barton today. “These were private banks and we didn’t pump money into them in order to keep them going; the state did not shoulder the responsibility of the failed private banks.”

“How far can we ask ordinary people — farmers and fishermen and teachers and doctors and nurses — to shoulder the responsibility of failed private banks,” said Grimsson. “That question, which has been at the core of the Icesave issue, will now be the burning issue in many European countries.”

Accept Losses

Comment by dude
2010-11-29 05:55:23

Grimsson for Fed chief!

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-11-29 06:36:31

You go, Iceland! Show everyone how it’s done.

Comment by rms
2010-11-29 07:58:10

+1 I want to see a wind chime of bankers.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 06:59:51

A flicker of sanity and common sense in an otherwise dark world…

Comment by warlock
2010-11-29 16:03:04

However…

There has been a rolling ban on foreclosures in Iceland for the last 2 years - there have been almost no house sales during that time.

The consequent pile up of houses on the property market gets worse every week.

There are no sales because everything is still over valued by about 50%, and because debt is not dischargeable in bankruptcy there is no reason to sell at a loss.

Loans btw. are inflation linked - so Iirc the negative equity estimate is about 40% of total and that’s presumably at today’s, completely unrealistic prices.

It’s also practically illegal to transfer any significant money out of the country - and nobody knows what the capital flight problem will look like when that is lifted.

So not sanity and common sense, so much as deer in the headlights behaviour. A country frozen in the moment of time after bubble is popped, and no idea how to unfreeze itself.

 
 
 
Comment by Jojo
2010-11-29 05:03:54

Good Morning & back to work :(
Anyone have on- the- ground RE info on Kansas City Northland (Parkville, Kearney etc)

Foreclosures/Shorts/employment info?

Thanks!

Comment by whyoung
2010-11-29 12:50:08

It’s been a while since I lived in KC, but do visit once or twice a year.

Not sure of current situation in northtown, but here’s some anecdata…

Johnson County KS (southwestern suburbs) is
1) considered a bit “classier” (read white collar) than northtown, (esp, area around Mission Hills/Westwood/Fairway, partly due to proximity to the Plaza - KC’s equivalent of Rodeo Drive, museums, nightlife and downtown)
2) has some major office campuses (such as the Sprint HQ in Overland Park)
3) has a reputation for good schools.
People who live there will probably only go “north of the (MO) river” to go to the airport or a riverboat casino, so depending on your social circle they may not find coming to you “convenient”. (The way a Manhattanite will avoid Queens.)

The metro area tends to have fairly strong but not necessarily immediately obvious dividing lines between economic groups.

Parkville is quite charming and convenient to downtown.
Kearney is a bit farther out, so verify any commute time.
There seem to be quite a few clusters of office parks in the vicinity of the airport, but not sure what the employment situation is at this point.
KC traffic is mild, compared to many places, but If you will be accessing areas to the south regularly, consider the location carefully. (Also winter tends to be mild enough that no one there ever really seems to develop and retain the ability to drive safely in the snow, so a winter snarl can be bad.)

I’d consider avoiding anything within the K.C.M.O. schools, as their school district is in deep trouble. They annexed a lot of land in the 1970’s, when the airport was built, so a lot of area north of the river is KCMO. A lot of northland was still farmland then, so the age of most of the housing stock will reflect that. North of the river was (and I suspect still is) considered more “blue collar”. BUT I know people who live there and love it.

I have been monitoring zips 64112 (KCMO) and 66205 (NE Johnson County) and have seen significant price drops, foreclosures, etc.
I doubt it things are any better north of the river.

Comment by Shelby
2010-11-29 13:29:09

Thanks WH-

I am from the area (more than a decade or so back) and am thinking about returning

I know all about JoCo & the fantasy they live out there. (everyone is an Exec at Sprint, yeah right…)

I am from the Northland & will be working/returning there, so that’s why I asked about it specifically.

A quick look at the MLS there shows some pretty high prices, so that’s what I’m wondering about

Comment by whyoung
2010-11-29 15:07:00

My thoughts/interest in KC is not immediate, so just for fun, I made a spreadsheet on some houses found both on MLS, zillow and Craigslist for the zips I mentioned above.
Seen a number of houses on and off the market over the last year and 1/2 and some with substantial (wishing price) reductions over time. And some also show up on craigslist as rentals or rent-to-buy with a whiff of desperation. Was an interesting comparison and gave me the feeling there is a lot more room to fall.

I have a friend who lives in Westwood 64112 (north of Brush Creek south of 47th) in that neighborhood of very nice craftsman style houses. A couple of years ago houses within that neighborhood were going for around $250,000+. Now there are (apparent non-foreclosures) houses for sale for under $175,000 and they seems to be sitting for substantial amounts of time. I know this is not as “bubbly” as some places, but it’s flyover country after all…

If you go one or two blocks above 47th street (which is the outside Westwood) there are a bunch of foreclosures, some of which have sold for under $50,000. Even though there has always a bit of a premium for being in the “better” neighborhood, something like that has gotta be a big drag on the surrounding area.

I’d consider renting, as this just doesn’t seem anywhere near over.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-29 13:38:32

Johnson County KS

Lake Quivira is nice, older, has a lake and is wooded. I was in KC this summer as well as VA and Cali. KC is doing better than a lot of the USA. Kansas has about a 6.7% UEmployment rate now. Prices are down maybe 10-20% from peak. (or more?) It’s a nicer place to live than many think but I won’t tell anyone.

whyoung summed it up well. North of the river has some nice wooded spots with little lakes or big ponds. 66205 is nice, close to downtown KC and by the Country Club Plaza. Parkville is cool. Chiefs are good again.

Comment by whyoung
2010-11-29 15:11:49

I always found the armed guards at Quivira a bit intimidating.

In college knew a guy who lived at his parents house there… his parents were able to forbid him to have any visitors admitted…

Agree KC is probably doing a bit better than some other places, has a reasonably diverse economy and a little mid-western common sense that keeps things on a bit more of an even keel.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-11-29 15:50:37

I grew up in Olathe……but there is no way in H-E-double hockey sticks that I would move back there…….it’s a giant Charlie-Foxtrot, when it comes to traffic. During rush hour, I can drive Downtown-Lawrence faster than I can drive Downtown-Olathe on I-35. (It’s 23 miles from downtown to Olathe, takes 1 hour plus to drive it during rush hour, assuming there are no accidents)

I got kinda spoiled by the seven minute commute at my former job.

I’m looking at for a place along the I-29 corridor, northwest of downtown, or maybe around Parkville. Some of the new “lofts” in the river Market area are cool, and are really handy to work, but they don’t have anywhere to garage my car, and of course trendy = expensive. If gas gets to $4-5/gallon again, I might reconsider.

Property tax on new/newer motor vehicles in Kansas is NUTS. More than full coverage insurance if you are talking newer cars. An average new car in Kansas can easily cost $1000/year in property taxes. If you wonder why there are a lot of 20-30 year old cars still running around in Kansas, now you know why.

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Comment by whyoung
2010-11-29 16:33:32

Agree about Olathe… last time I was there had a nearly uncontrollable urge to flee.

I grew up in the KCMO and went to Northeast high school.

Have you ever been to the Scaritt Point area near the Kansas City museum (64123)? it’s just a bit east of the River Quay area. There are some pretty amazing houses there. It’s a bit out of the way, and there are some rough areas nearby but there is an area around the museum that is pretty well kept.

Think the whole “loft” thing in a place like KC is ludicrous. Much as I like KC, it ain’t ever gonna be Soho.

One of my leading indicators on the housing bubble was when they took an old downtown apartment building (the Vista del Rio) that had been abandoned and empty and gut rehabbed it into apartments that they were trying to sell for $250,000 and up.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-11-29 17:02:20

Olathe had 35,000 people when I moved out in 1978. Now it’s probably about 200K. (I’ve joined the “I can remember when that wasn’t there” crowd)

I’m finding all kinds of places in KCMO that I didn’t know existed. One of the places I want to look at is just where you mentioned, NE of the downtown loop.

I’m going to see what happens on the job front in the next 90 days or so. I’ll know by the end of February if I’m going to move to KC, or if I need to look for a full time job. Or somewhere where I can consistently get in 30-40 hours a week doing contract work. (November pickings were pretty slim, and December doesn’t look much better…….just in time for Christmas)

 
Comment by whyoung
2010-11-29 18:53:46

If you’re looking around the KC museum area I mentioned above, especially check out the area around the Gladstone Blvd, Benton Blvd and the area north of St. John Avenue up to Cliff Drive and east to around Van Brunt. The area between St John and south to Independence Ave is mixed, depending upon how far east/west you are. South of Independence Ave was never really considered “good”, even when I was a kid.

This area was always a bit isolated because of it’s location on the bluffs overlooking the floodplain. It’s not an area you pass through to go anywhere else, so many lifelong KC residents have never been there. When I was in high school the area was still heavily Italian, but there is a more diverse population now.

It is one of the older neighborhoods in the city, with a lot of 1880’s to WW1 houses. After the elite abandoned Quality Hill (I’m told because they were downwind from the stockyards once the railroads expanded in the West Bottoms) it was developed. My Grandparents moved there in the 1890’s. (The more modest “shirtwaist” house I grew up in was built in 1911 of limestone that was quarried on the site.)

When you’re cruising around you may notice some of those six-plex 1920’s-ish apartment buildings that have very grand limestone walls at the edges of the properties… the walls are leftover from mansions that were torn down as white elephants in the early 20th century. Some of the really big older houses were broken up into apartments, but many are intact with all the original features.

Here’s a link to some photos:
http://connections.smsd.org/tour/index.htm

 
 
 
 
Comment by jane
2010-11-29 22:59:51

I take it congratulations are in order?

CONGRATULATIONS!!

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-29 06:11:11

Some Arizona homeowners still owe after short sale
Some former homeowners unaware that debt may linger

by Catherine Reagor - Nov. 26, 2010 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic

Short sales allow people to sell their homes for less then they owe on their mortgage to avoid foreclosure. In Arizona, though, some former homeowners are finding they are still in debt to their lenders, even after completing a short sale.

Short sales, unlike foreclosures, are not typically covered by Arizona’s anti-deficiency law.

That law protects most distressed homeowners if lenders foreclose. It bars lenders from seeking payment from the borrower if the home doesn’t sell for as much as the amount owed on the mortgage.

Some lenders apply the same protection to borrowers who complete a short sale.

But a growing number of former homeowners in metro Phoenix are receiving unwelcome calls and letters from lenders or collection agencies telling them they still owe on mortgages for houses they no longer own.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/11/26/20101126arizona-homeowners-short-sale.html - 68k

Comment by rms
2010-11-29 08:01:51

“Home-equity loans, or second mortgages, appear to be the biggest pitfall in such cases.”

Gotcha!

Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 08:12:41

“Home-equity loans, or second mortgages, appear to be the biggest pitfall in such cases.”

Yep - even though they are last in line for the house they are typically hardest to get rid off. Many states so not wipe out these debts in a foreclosure/short sale.

Bankruptcy may still have to be chosen for the FB. And this begs the question why even have a short sale in the first place?

Comment by arizonadude
2010-11-29 08:34:26

Arent junior liens wiped out at a trustees sale?If the lender wont let you off the hook with a short sale then isnt it better to let it go to foreclosure and get some free rent?

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-11-29 09:01:09

What’s the situation with tax liability after a foreclosure or short sale? Come late January will we be seeing stories in the MSM about unexpected 1099’s and how FB’s are now stuck with a big tax bill, along with penalties for under-withholding?

 
Comment by Kim
2010-11-29 09:44:28

“What’s the situation with tax liability after a foreclosure or short sale?”

None until 2012, IIRC. I expect to see a jump in jingle mail right before expiration.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 09:50:05

What’s the situation with tax liability after a foreclosure or short sale ??

The potential tax liability coming out of this mess could be massive if the IRS & State governments choose to pursue all the people that may owe…Its so big that I have wondered if they will pick & choose who to go after based on if you have anything to attach or will they go after everyone and hang a big fat tax lien that will be a ball & chain around your neck for who knows how long.

Can you imagine some moderate to lower income person having a $100,000. tax liability…They could be paying for the remainder of their lives….

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-11-29 10:31:40

Wasn’t that covered in the mortgage relief act though? I thought the IRS was not going after people who lost their homes?

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-11-29 13:43:24

Yes, but I thought there was a time limit, like through 2010. Maybe it’s through 2012 (after the next presidential election).

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-29 06:16:36

Hey Fwank, Hey Dodd what happened to AFFORDABLE HOUSING?

Washington area housing costs eat up burdensome share of resident budgets

By Carol Morello and Dan Keating
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, November 28, 2010; 12:47 AM

One in five renters and one in seven homeowners in the Washington area spend more than half their income on housing, according to census figures, a proportion that housing experts consider a severe burden.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/27/AR2010112702782.html -

Comment by Jim A.
2010-11-29 08:05:31

Of course we’ve been saying that “Lower prices are the best ‘affordability product’ there is” around here FOR YEARS.

Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 08:15:56

You don’t understand - “affordable housing” is housing provided by the government. That way you have to live by their rules and vote for all people who promise expansion of even more government programs.

If you bought a house you could afford in a sane housing market and paid for it by working hard - you would not think too highly of big government and those that promise to make government even bigger…

Comment by oxide
2010-11-29 09:43:54

First things first:

1. Establish an available job for every available education/intelligence level. Proven legal residents only.
2. Establish an available shack, to rent or buy, for every income level.

When we get that, we’ll find out right away who are the truly lazy people, and who “worked hard” but got screwed anyway (most of the middle class). Then we can discuss the R. Lim talking points…

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Comment by oxide
2010-11-29 09:29:19

That’s a recipe for shacking up if I ever saw one…

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-29 06:20:10

Twin Cities metro area experiencing largest home sales slump in nation

By Brad Allen | Published Wed, Nov 24 2010 10:31 am

The Twin Cities’ 40.7 percent drop in existing home sales for October gives it the unwelcome distinction of posting the largest year-over-year volume drop among major metropolitan areas, according to the National Association of Realtors.

http://www.minnpost.com/bradallen/2010/11/24/23677/twin_cities_metro_area_experiencing_largest_

Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 08:19:58

I am thinking that blizzard over the T-Day holiday ain’t going to help housing sales in November for this area…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 06:22:05

The Global DOW seemed headed for 2K, but then was beaten back. Could it be due to the Korean tensions, Irish bailout, or never-ending global real estate market bust?

Who knows?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 09:24:24

The year is getting pretty long in the teeth to hold out hope for Eddie’s DJIA = 12K by New Year’s Eve. Then again, since Santa Claus is real, maybe he can bring a Christmas rally to Wall Street.

Dow Jones Industrial Average
Market open
DJIA 10,968
Change -123.78 -1.12%
Volume 56.07m
Nov 29, 2010 11:19 a.m.
Previous close 11,092

Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 10:14:17

Paging Eddie….

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 12:44:55

The PPT will keep it above 11,000.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-29 06:24:56

Couple lose out on home; Realtors face ethics case

By JAMES ELI SHIFFER, Star Tribune
Last update: November 27, 2010 - 12:30 PM

From the moment Erica and Mike Lenzen saw a foreclosed twin home for sale in Brooklyn Park, they thought it should be theirs. They even put in a no-strings-attached offer $8,000 above the asking price.

But the home was sold to someone else.

The Lenzens got suspicious when they learned the house sold for $2,000 less than their offer. When Mike Lenzen tracked down the bank representative in charge of selling the property, she told him she had no record of receiving the couple’s offer.

Despite all the regulation and disclosure, buying a home can be a secretive process. Buyers are largely at the mercy of what sellers and their agents tell them. It’s especially mysterious these days, as foreclosed homes flood the market and the banks that own them make sales decisions that sometimes defy explanation.

http://www.startribune.com/investigators/110890349.html - 102k -

Comment by rms
2010-11-29 08:07:58

“The Lenzens’ situation has raised enough questions that the Minnesota Association of Realtors will put a leader of its largest chapter before an ethics hearing Dec. 17.”

Crooked realtors? I thought I’d never see that day!

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 08:20:42

Although we’re loath to say so here, there are some ethical real estate agents. And, if you’ve ever met such a person, it doesn’t take much to get them going on the sleazy dealings of their fellow agents.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 08:24:59

Most buyers who lose out on a deal just move on. The Lenzens spent weeks investigating the transaction and scrutinizing documents. They are convinced their offer was withheld by the bank’s agents at EXIT Realty Metro. They’re not quite sure why, except that the winning bidder, an investor who plans to rent it out, had no agent, allowing EXIT Realty to earn a larger commission.

oh boy -

Bigger commission / lower sales price > bigger sales price / lower commissions

If I was the previous owner of the house - I would be looking to file a major lawsuit. This would cost big $ to keep quiet. After all, without trust, what is a realtor anyways…?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 18:26:41

As long as buyers act like the seller is doing them a favor, then they deserve what they get.

Being trained to impulse-buy from the cradle doesn’t help either.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-29 06:28:08

Residents Call on Wells Fargo to Freeze Foreclosures

Half the homes in Richmond’s 94801 zip code are in foreclosure, or getting there

By Julia Landau, Richmond Confidential on November 22, 2010 - 12:21 p.m. PST

RICHMOND–Local community activists gathered in front of Wells Fargo on Macdonald Avenue on Friday to protest that bank’s complicity in the national and local mortgage morass.

As security guards looked on, 25 Richmond residents stood on the sidewalk, chanting “Wells Fargo, stop stealing our homes!” and holding signs that said “55,000 thefts and counting.”

http://www.baycitizen.org/housing/story/residents-call-wells-fargo-freeze/ - 52k -

Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 08:51:50

25 Richmond residents stood on the sidewalk, chanting “Wells Fargo, stop stealing our homes!”

Entitlement mentality….

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 11:32:43

‘According to a city report issued last month, almost half of Richmond homes in the 94801 zip code are in foreclosure or were mortgaged at subprime rates and thus at risk for foreclosure.

“Do we really intend to throw that many people out of their homes?” asked Alving Herring, an organizer of the protest.’

F-U-G-L-Y

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 18:29:50

I’m all for due process, but once that’s squared away, toss the no-pay SOBs FBs out.

Until people are forced to face harsh reality, we will NEVER see the people holding politicians’ feet to the fire and demanding real reforms.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 06:28:28

West Brighton woman says Bank of America ‘turned the tables’ on loan modification
Published: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 9:18 AM Updated: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 9:24 AM

STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. — Facing a burdensome mortgage and state foreclosure proceedings, a New Brighton woman believed a federal loan modification program was the answer to her prayers.

The Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP) made Marie Freeman’s monthly payments on her $418,000 mortgage more manageable, and gave her hope that she could keep her home.

But in a class-action suit recently filed in Brooklyn federal court, Ms. Freeman and others allege the Bank of America turned the tables on them.

Despite making the appropriate trial payments, the bank’s subsidiary denied her a permanent loan modification, Ms. Freeman contends. That violated HAMP rules and put her back at square one.

Now, Ms. Freeman says she is living in limbo, and fears her home of more than 10 years will be sold at foreclosure.

Our client did everything by the book, only to have her modification improperly denied after her file was transferred from one Bank of America [loan] servicing subsidiary to another,” said Stephen Rodd, a private lawyer, working pro bono for Ms. Freeman.

We believe she may be one of thousands of homeowners across the United States who have fallen victim to Bank of America’s deceptive practices.”

At least 12 class-action cases making similar allegations have been filed against Bank of America nationwide, said Adam H. Cohen, a lawyer for the non-profit MFY Legal Services Inc., which also is representing Ms. Freeman.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-11-29 08:11:36

As is so often the case, these articles pose more question than they answer. On what legal basis does she aledge that being turned down for a permanant modification after she made the trial payments is a violation?

Comment by polly
2010-11-29 11:24:43

HAMP is a voluntary program. Even if she qualified under the terms of the program for a permanent modification but the bank did not give it to her and decdided to demand that the payments be brought up to date as if the trial modification had not occured, what could be “done” to the bank? I suppose they might have to give back the $1000 they got to do the modification, but that payment may have been “earned” when she entered the program (got the trial modification). I have never heard that banks were under a strict obligation to convert trial modifications to permanent ones if the trial payments were all made. What if they discovered during the intervening months that the property is not owner occupied or that the owner could easily afford the original payments?

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 08:27:07

Our client did everything by the book

Except, of course, to not pay her mortgage…

I guess a mortgage contract is not really book so she wins.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-11-29 10:33:18

Our client did everything by the book Unfortunatly, the book was written by David Lereah. Or perhaps Carlton Sheets. And the book said to buy more real estate than you can afford.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2010-11-29 11:28:38

Suggests a whole new strategy based upon the previous motif; bundle and sell loans off to a “subsidiary,” keep pumping the mortgagee/taxpayer, wait for “values” to equalize as the world economy readjusts and 3T USD gets assimilated.

In the meantime keep the money coming in, pass the buck, collect broker’s fees and bonuses.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 18:31:52

We have a winner.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 06:39:18

Some “bank guarantees” are no guarantee after all!

Luckily, it’s “turtles all the way down” in the Eurozone.

The Irish Times - Monday, November 29, 2010
From bank guaranteeto EU-IMF deal: two years of economic crisis

A timeline of events

2008

SEPT 30th: Government introduces the bank guarantee covering liabilities of €440 billion across the Irish banks and building societies – Allied Irish Banks, Bank of Ireland, Anglo Irish Bank, Irish Life Permanent, the Educational Building Society and Irish Nationwide Building Society.

DEC 21st: Government agrees to inject €5.5 billion into the three main banks – Allied Irish Banks, Bank of Ireland and Anglo Irish Bank – but no funds are provided.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-29 10:29:36

That €440 billion is only €100,000 per man, woman and child. What’s the big deal?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 06:41:55

Promising development noted in the San Diego housing market:

Home prices are no longer going down; rather, affordability, and prices, are increasing.

San Diego housing affordability up slightly in 3rd quarter
But area still ranks as 12th least-affordable market, builders group says

By Roger Showley, UNION-TRIBUNE

Thursday, November 25, 2010 at 10:39 a.m.

Low interest rates and stable incomes improved San Diego housing affordability in the third quarter, even with a slight uptick in prices, according to National Association of Home Builders.

Comment by ann gogh
2010-11-29 08:44:17

I see a bunch of oceanside homes under 500k. big homes on pretty streets, even carlsbad has homes under 500k!

Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 08:55:06

I see a bunch of oceanside homes under 500k. big homes on pretty streets, even carlsbad has homes under 500k ??

Just wait until the mortgage interest deduction is eliminated for 2nd homes…Another leg down of 25% I suppose…

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 10:09:42

FWIW, Oceanside is suburban San Diego community located in north county, just north of neighboring Carlsbad.

500K is a lotta dough for a house in Oceanslime (contrary to what it’s name implies very little of Oceanside is next to the ocean)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 11:34:36

“…mortgage interest deduction is eliminated for 2nd homes…”

What was the rationale for providing a mortgage interest deduction on 2nds to begin with?

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Comment by DennisN
2010-11-29 13:05:02

The 16th Amd. was ratified in 1913, and soon thereafter interest on loans of all kinds was made deductable as “a legitimate business expense”. At that time there was NO such thing as “consumer credit”.

During the Depression the 30-year motgage was invented, and the deductability of the interest was extended to this new kind of loan.

Starting around 1980, the deductability of interest of most forms of consumer credit was slowly abolished until mortgage interest was “the last man standing”.

There never was any legislative intent to make mortgage interest, on any kind of dwelling, deductable. It really happened by accident of history.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-11-29 13:57:01

Well I have argued here before that since a landlord’s mortgage interest is deductable as a business expense, a mortgage interest deduction DOESN’T so much incentize owner/occupation as it removes the incentive for a landlord/tenant model of property ownership. That said, I still see no good reason to allow the deduction of of mortgage interest for a second home.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-29 06:50:10

Palm Beach County spending $9 million on new vehicles, despite budget crunch

By Andy Reid
Sun Sentinel
Posted: 11:01 p.m. Sunday, Nov. 28, 2010

Budget woes that prompted back-to-back years of increased property tax rates haven’t stopped Palm Beach County government from going car shopping.

The county plans to spend about $9 million over the next year to update its fleet of vehicles and heavy equipment, which includes everything from sedans and SUVs to bulldozers and lawn mowers.

Plans call for buying 208 vehicles, most of those to replace cars, trucks and work vehicles county officials contend are past their prime. That total doesn’t include the Sheriff’s Office and Fire-Rescue, which purchase vehicles more often because of heavy use

Love THE COMMENTS

Hey still waiting for the Post to do an in depth article on the number of mega-SUVs and sedans being driven to and from work by the civilian employees at the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office.
BillyBob
11:59 PM, 11/28/2010

..and now we see why PBC needed those tax increases that they stuck us with the last two years.

What a bunch of pigs!
Eric
8:03 AM, 11/29/2010 REPORT ABUSE Would someone please

pass the vaseline!!!!
L Grover
7:59 AM, 11/29/2010

Comment by rms
2010-11-29 08:17:41

Looks like the voters unanimously approve. Done!

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 08:48:15

Isn’t Palm Beach where Madoff found a lot of his investors?

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:05:03

One of.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:02:17

While it looks bad, if those vehicles are over 10 years old, gas and maintenance are killing them.

Damned if you do and damned if don’t.

 
 
Comment by Brett
2010-11-29 07:03:30

For Tottering States, Bankruptcy Could Be the Answer

It’s no mystery why these state governments — and those of New York and New Jersey, as well — are in such bad fiscal shape. These are the parts of America where the public employee unions have been calling the shots, insisting on expanded payrolls, ever higher pay, hugely generous fringe benefits and utterly unsustainable pension promises.

The prospect is that the bond market will quit financing California and Illinois long before the federal government. It may already be happening. Earlier this month, California could sell only $6 billion of $10 billion revenue anticipation notes it put on the market.

So it’s entirely possible that some state government — California and Illinois, facing $25 billion and $15 billion deficits, are likely suspects — will be coming to Washington some time in the next two years in search of a bailout. The Obama administration may be sympathetic. It’s channeled stimulus money to states and TARP money to General Motors and Chrysler in large part to bail out its labor union allies.

How to avoid this scenario? University of Pennsylvania law professor David Skeel, writing in The Weekly Standard, suggests that Congress pass a law allowing states to go bankrupt.

Skeel, a bankruptcy expert, notes that a Depression-era statute allows local governments to go into bankruptcy. Some have done so: Orange County, Calif., in 1994, Vallejo, Calif., in 2008. Others — perhaps a dozen small municipalities in Michigan — are headed that way.

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Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 08:56:04

I don’t think you can blame all of New York’s problem solely on unions.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:06:40

Certainly you aren’t implying that those paragons of honesty and fairness, the politicians, might be “shady” as well?!

 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-11-29 09:44:01

These are the parts of America where the public employee unions have been calling the shots, insisting on expanded payrolls, ever higher pay, hugely generous fringe benefits and utterly unsustainable pension promises.”

Public safety pays pretty good in California. Fear sells

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 10:11:40

“Public safety pays pretty good in California”

It pays well in most parts of the country. My mom was under the delusion that cops are poorly paid. A lot of people believe that canard.

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-11-29 10:11:43

The FED can purchase state bonds. Problem solved. I read an article the other day stating that if the US gov wouldn’t spend then the FED could purchase state bonds and the states would spend.

Comment by GH
2010-11-29 18:36:00

That is a big fear of mine. We will end up with an economy where State retirees and employees are highly paid while the private sector is demolished. Result? A superclass of highly paid government workers and a subclass of everyone else.

There is no doubt in my mind Obama will do all in his power to make sure California and Illinois has enough to meet it’s retirement obligations no matter how outlandish they seem or how much higher they are raised.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:13:41

None of the J6Ps I’ve met working in government wish for their private counterparts to be getting the shaft the way they are.

In fact, many went into government employment BECAUSE they were getting the shaft from the private sector.

So once again, we see that big corporate interests have not thought ahead.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 07:13:43

While in the shower this morning I pondered the similarities between our own social-political-economic system and Orwell’s Ingsoc/Oceania:

1) We are fighting an endless war in Asia
2) We have a boogeyman (Bin Laden vs. Goldstein)
3) The government fudges the economic numbers.
4) That standard of living for the proles and the “outside party members” continues to deteriorate while the government insists everything is dandy.
5) We eat unhealthy synthetic food.
6) We are steadily losing our privacy
7) Doublethink is persuavsive (Patriot Act, Debt is Wealth, etc.)

Any others?

Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 08:29:19

We riot over sales of pots and pans.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-29 08:37:38

What, those aren’t enough?

Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 09:09:03

Its never enough…Its what we are best at…Passing laws to keep you safe…

 
 
Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 08:57:33

Airports will soon be “patting” down those guilty of Facecrime.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:20:25

You can get busted for Facecrime every day of the week.

Where have you been?

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-29 09:00:38

I pondered the similarities between our own social-political-economic system and Orwell’s Ingsoc/Oceania: ….Any others?

The internet and that “Big Brother is watching you” machine thing?

And just like then, the answers and hope lies with the proles. Oh wait. Never mind.

Comment by measton
2010-11-29 10:18:15

The internet may be the antique store in 1984. A place where we all feel safe and reveal all to the thought police who stand behind the two way mirror.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 09:09:13

I thought of another….

We have Oceania like cities in the US: Detroit, New Orleans, etc.

Will they be increasing the chocolate ration?

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-11-29 10:36:05

I can haz newspeak dumbin don mai language?

 
Comment by polly
2010-11-29 11:11:08

There are some very good practitioners of duckspeak around the partisan media…

 
Comment by oxide
2010-11-29 12:19:36

In the Orwellian dystopia you wouldn’t have enough water to take that long a shower.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:18:50

Priced a new water heater lately?

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:17:24

Others similarities?

Unauthorized domestic surveillance.
Bad public education.
Restrictions of rights.
Double standard of justice.

And lots of bad liquor. :lol:

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-11-29 20:22:42

This is so topical. Out of the blue, this morning, I was thinking of Animal Farm, and Boxer the trusty draft horse. I was considering the balance between labor and management. If labor gets too strong, inefficiencies result. If management gets too strong, exploitation results. Boxer presents an interesting case - who’s he working for? Regardless of his efforts, once he falters, he will be sent to the knackers. While smaller, private companies tend to have better labor relations, I get the impression that this is the way it is at some large conglomerates. The execs are not doing their jobs if they’re not squeezing the workers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-11-29 07:53:41

Since 2006 when President Felipe Calerdon took office in Mexico, more than 30,000 people have been murdered or killed in the deadly drug war that wages just across America’s southern border.

That figure is staggering, but it’s not news. The “big surprise” could actually come next year says, Chris Edmonds, managing partner at Enerecap Partners, an energy-focused boutique research and banking firm. “U.S. troops [might be] committed to Mexico to try to help” quell the raging violence.

Most of the country has escaped the bloodshed except for considerable swaths of Northern Mexico, notably the areas closest to the U.S., where lawlessness is now the law of the land. A recent Wall Street Journal article details how three mayors have fled to Texas and are governing from afar.

Politicians are not the only ones escaping to the U.S., “leading families [are] fleeing extortion and threats of kidnapping,” The Wall Street Journal explains.

Take a look at your future America, where wealth and power are concentrated and everyone else get’s to eat cake. Drugs are just the tip of the iceberg.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 08:24:18

A few months ago, there was a huge, battle-style shootout that happened within 25 miles of the U.S. border. It was in the state of Sonora, which is directly south of Arizona.

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 08:32:32

I am sure glad we like multiculturalism here and are changing American culture so that illegal immigrants will feel welcome and at home.

It will be grand to have little mexicos all across America.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 08:53:23

Just like we had little Germanys in the 18th century, little Irelands and little Polands in the 19th century, and little Vietnams (in SoCal and along the Gulf Coast) in the 20th century.

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 09:04:08

I don’t remember any public schools that taught only in Gaelic or German.

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Comment by tab
2010-11-29 09:34:19

Well, obviously, if you don’t remember it, it never happened. You know, there are history books that teach you this sort of stuff. Like, for example, German schools and culture were quite predominant in the U.S. until the world wars (I and II). They were taking over! AHHH!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 09:40:20

The original reason for bilingual ed in this country was to keep the Cuban refugee kids up to speed until they learned enough English to go into mainstream classes. Their (very achievement-oriented) parents didn’t want them to fall behind.

And, growing up as I did in eastern PA, I knew more than a few kids who came from families that bailed out of Cuba once Castro took over. When it came to being driven to succeed by their parents, they were right up there with the Asian kids.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-29 10:38:11

There were German speaking communities before WWI. It seemed inappropriate once we were at war with Germany. Pennsylvania was early on largely a German speaking state, and German was considered as the official national language.

 
Comment by clark
2010-11-29 11:31:31

Steve, in the Midwest there were many schools that taught Only in German, it was quite common.

 
Comment by sfrenter
2010-11-29 16:59:19

Read your history - every time a large group of immigrants arrived in this country there has been a backlash.

Italians were once considered “non-white”, for instance. People were petrified of all the dirty Poles, and the racism against the Chinese was intense.

Once you see how what’s going on now vis a vis Latinos is just another chapter in group think and group stupidity, it’s hard to get caught up in the hysteria.

 
Comment by Wolf
2010-11-30 10:18:19

Except for other groups the immigration was limited. The Latinos keep coming…….no end in sight.

 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-29 13:46:43

That reminds me of my Polish Catholic high school near Detroit. We commuted three miles from our formerly French factory town where our Catholic school closed. Everyone spoke Polish, the Mass was Polish, all the nuns spoke English with a Polish accent and had trouble with my Irish name. I learned to speak a lot of Polish phrases during that four years, and ate a lot of Polish cooking.

I preferred the cooking in Greektown . . . .

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Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 09:17:31

It will be grand to have little mexicos all across America ??

We already do…

Comment by ahansen
2010-11-29 12:22:19

Hate to tell you all, but borders are political constructs and geology is geology. Populations expand, contract, merge, and evolve. Trying to keep “Mexico” out of the northern hemisphere is as doomed to failure as trying to keep “Jews” out of Middle Asia. Or “Chinese” out of Africa. Ain’t gonna happen.

Personally, I’d prefer to have many Mexicos under North American influence and governance than try to figure out who “belongs” “here” and who does not. Extended families, mingled business interests, common cultural and academic ties tend to mitigate against warfare. Whom would you prefer living next door to you…the Mexican neurosurgeon or the Scots-Irish welfare family? In Santa Fe or Wheeling?

Now, who gets citizenship? THAT’s another question entirely, but at least the above distinction tends to reframe the issue into something more relevant.

Besides, (or perhaps why,) we can’t send any significant US troops to Mexico– all the Mexicans therein are busy trying to ahem, “democratize” Afghanistan.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-29 13:03:39

Hey, easy on the Scottish quips there lassie.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-29 13:50:45

Blue Skye, you triggered another memory of mine! When I was a little kid I remember a Scottish man in my town telling me that Irish were filthy and he wouldn’t let his son marry one. I didn’t have the heart to tell him that I was half Irish.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 14:03:25

“Now, who gets citizenship? THAT’s another question entirely, but at least the above distinction tends to reframe the issue into something more relevant.”

If we are to have open borders, what is the point of citizenship? To get to vote for either the “R” or “D” candidate?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-29 14:06:48

When you grow up in an Irish Catholic neighborhood and have red hair, it takes heart to tell them you are a Scottish Protestant.

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-11-29 15:50:01

“Mexican neurosurgeon”

yeah we get a lot of ‘em here.

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-11-29 17:20:56

Laughing at that one….hehe

 
Comment by ahansen
2010-11-29 18:29:37

Alfredo Quiñones-Hinojosa is the director of the brain-tumor stem-cell laboratory at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. He came to the U.S. illegally from Mexico in the mid-1980’s, as a teenage migrant worker who didn’t speak English. Through a long series of hard jobs, accidents, inspiration, and mentorship, he wound up attending Berkeley and then Harvard Medical School.

From “Freakonomics.”

 
Comment by hwy59ina49dodge
2010-11-29 21:09:09

“…Through a long series of hard jobs, accidents, inspiration, and mentorship, he wound up attending Berkeley and then Harvard Medical School.”

I thought for a moment there you were doing a recent bio on Janet Brewer, as least when you mention accidents… ;-)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 09:01:08

I guess troops are the answer.

But what was the question?

Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 09:19:26

But what was the question ??

The Pentagon asks the questions later don’t you know…??

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 09:01:15

Having American troops in Mexico is one of those “unacceptable” situations. Mexicans are fiercely nationalistic and having American troops on their soil would be anathema to their mindset. They would rather deal with the druglords than accept American troops on their soil.

In any case the PAN won’t win the next election. The PRD and the PRI will form a coalition and once elected they will make a “deal” with the drug lords: “Stop the bloodshed and we will look the other way as you produce drugs in Mexico and smuggle yhem into the USA” (Which is bascally how it worked when the PRI ran the country)

Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 09:35:09

The drug trade is within our own borders….Its big Pharma and doctors aligned with law enforcement and ALL the agencies/unions that feed off them….Just fricken stupid….

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 10:19:00

A very dear friend (now deceased) said that pot was the best thing he could find for allaying the nausea from his chemotherapy treatments. The scrips he got from his doctors couldn’t come close to the MJ.

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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-29 13:56:48

I voted for marijuana legalization this month (it lost.) A friend offered me to join a medical marijuana club when I was getting chemo a few months ago, but I don’t like the system - lots of people with pretend-illnesses collaborating with crooked doctors and dispensers to get marijuana. I just put up with the nausea. I would prefer to buy it legally and use it for whatever I want. Maybe in a few more years such a law will pass.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 14:15:20

A friend offered me to join a medical marijuana club when I was getting chemo a few months ago, but I don’t like the system - lots of people with pretend-illnesses collaborating with crooked doctors and dispensers to get marijuana.

Methinks that’s the reason why AZ limited its proposition (which passed) to legitimate medical reasons. Now, of course we all know that there are crooked docs who will spin “legitimate” a thousand different ways.

 
Comment by Spokaneman
2010-11-29 15:37:31

We’ve had medical MJ in Wa for several years, and so far, the world has not ended.

I encouraged my daughter to vote for legalization in CA, which took her a bit by surprise. I’m a product of the 60’s but haven’t used the stuff in 40 years, but I still think the drug laws are silly.,

 
 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-29 13:53:03

You are so right, Colorado. We Americans prefer a plutocracy to a democratic government in Mexico.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-29 09:20:44

Since 2006 when President Felipe Calerdon took office in Mexico, more than 30,000 people have been murdered or killed in the deadly drug war that wages just across America’s southern border.

As just mentioned, this goes way beyond just drugs. Another factor is that millions of Mexicans leaving their country to illegally work in the USA has been bad for Mexico and the Mexican society. How could it not be in the long run?

Families torn apart, villages abandoned and a government not having to do right by its people are contributors to Mexico’s ongoing societal destruction.

Why would Mexico have needed to invest in themselves and in their own country when the American-job escape valve was available to them?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 10:14:39

“Why would Mexico have needed to invest in themselves and in their own country when the American-job escape valve was available to them?”

And now that the great American Job Machine is broken down, Mexico is sweating bullets as many of its people are coming home in their “troka” loaded with their belongings, looking for work.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 10:22:31

I just finished reading a book by a fellow photographer from Tucson. Name’s John Annerino. He’s been documenting the human toll of this problem for years.

His most recent book, Dead in Their Tracks, shows some pretty gruesome photos of people who’ve died in our border regions. Crossing the desert in 120-degree heat will do that to you.

He’s shown some of these photos to Vicente Fox, thinking that the president of Mexico would care about what happens to his paisanos after they enter this country, but…

…Fox didn’t care in the slightest.

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 10:39:03

Building a fence would prevent these deaths.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 10:53:49

If you build a fence, it will be tampered with, busted through, you name it. People who are desperate enough to come here and take crap jobs in order to feed their starving families will do whatever they can.

 
 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-11-29 10:48:43

Mexicans transfer billions of dollars from the US to Mexico every year. That’s how their families survive and why they came here in the first place. So I agree about the family dynamics being shattered, however, not about the financials.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-29 11:20:26

So I agree about the family dynamics being shattered, however, not about the financials.

Yes they get cash but without that US escape valve and cash source, Mexico would have been under greater pressure to clean up its act, invest in its people and develop a self-sustaining economy as have other Latin American countries.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 11:35:47

And, in that regard, I’m thinking of countries like:

1. Brazil. Impressive example of economic development. Especially since the dictators were sent packing.

2. Chile. This is a country that’s been on the move for quite some time.

3. Argentina. Yep, they’ve had some problems with currency devaluation and hyperinflation, but don’t bet against the Argentines. Just don’t.

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-29 11:14:47

In Brazil’s drug war……Rio is really happy today.

The climate in Rio and elsewhere in Brazil on Monday was, simply, one of elation.

Analysis: Rio raids a critical step for Brazil’s economy

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AS3M820101129

This weekend’s scenes of urban warfare in Rio de Janeiro may prove to be a crucial — and positive — step in Brazil’s economic development if police can retain control of previously lawless slums.

The joint raids by police and military forces, which ended with euphoric troops waving Brazilian flags from a hilltop they had not controlled in years, were a sign that Brazil finally may be summoning the willpower and resources to bring down one of the region’s highest crime rates, which has long been a burden on its emerging economy.

The status quo — drug gangs controlling huge swathes of territory in Brazil’s second-largest city, energy capital and emerging financial center — is incompatible with the country’s dreams of becoming a middle-class country within the next decade. Rio also is under pressure to clean itself up ahead of the 2014 World Cup in Brazil and the 2016 Olympics, which Rio will host.

…there are signs that this time is different…..security forces have pledged to work together to hold onto territory they have taken back from gangs, instead of merely sweeping in, shooting things up, making arrests and then leaving, as has happened in the past.

Yet the most important element working in Brazil’s favor may prove to be something less tangible: the belief among many Brazilians that the country’s newfound prosperity has truly made anything possible — even peace in Rio.

“Today we can be certain that when the state really wants something, it’s capable,” said Sergio Duarte, head of Rio’s military police, said after the operation concluded.

‘COURAGE TO CONFRONT’….”Rio shows that it’s possible,” blared O Globo newspaper’s front page headline…..”There has never been this kind of willpower to fix Rio,” Eike Batista, an industrial magnate who is Brazil’s richest man, was quoted as saying

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:25:00

Remind us again of the new president’s background. :lol:

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Comment by oxide
2010-11-29 12:25:57

I left home to go to college. 20 years, 3 schools, and 3 jobs later, one half of my family is 400 miles away and the other half of my family is 1600 miles away. Was my family ripped apart too?

Latin Americans are pretty good at repairing torn-apart families. They just make new ones.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-11-29 13:51:37

Was my family ripped apart too?

I don’t know but if we are talking about the Mexican thing we have to consider the scale of the out-migration which has transformed the social an political organization of an entire nation and not for the better IMO.

Also, most of their stories would not include the mention of 3 schools.

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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-29 14:01:11

Oxide, that’s a pretty silly comparison, not to mention self-centered. Your family’s separation doesn’t compare to a father or mother leaving their children to work in another country.

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Comment by WT Economist
2010-11-29 09:37:05

“Most of the country has escaped the bloodshed except for considerable swaths of Northern Mexico, notably the areas closest to the U.S.”

Hmmm. So which country is the cause of the problem? Perhaps U.S. drug abuse and/or prohibition has something to do with it.

Comment by CharlieTango
2010-11-29 09:47:22

absolutely, the prohibition is the root of the problem,

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 10:43:24

I think the love of money is the root cause.

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Comment by clark
2010-11-29 21:14:04

Not the love of money, rather the love of power, power and control over others, money is just the means.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:22:31

But remember, it’s a “drug war” not a “civil war.” :roll:

I made that mistake one day, and was pointedly told otherwise. I had to ask what color the sky was in their world.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-11-29 08:37:20

It’s almost 2011. The housing bubble was a long time ago.

And still, the reprecussions are driving the economy all over the world, with the Irish crisis the latest manifestation. It seems to go on forever.

When do you think the housing bust and its consequences will finally be over?

Comment by sfrenter
2010-11-29 17:02:02

Housing bubble is still alive and well in San Francisco.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:28:41

5 years is NOT a long time. :lol:

 
 
Comment by fisher
2010-11-29 08:55:45

Sheriff resigns, confessing online sales to help stave off foreclosure Solano admits theft
Geoff Grammer and Bruce Krasnow | The New Mexican
Posted: Wednesday, November 24, 2010

Stating he is “like many Americans, caught up in financial crisis and facing foreclosure on his home, Santa Fe County Sheriff Greg Solano on Wednesday owned up to stealing county property and selling items on eBay for personal profit.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/Sheriff-Solano-resigns–admits-he-misused-office-

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:30:33

Wow.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 09:09:17

Suppose public employee pension benefits were granted which turned out to be so generous their cost sunk a city’s operating budget. Could such benefits later be legally revoked?

I’m wondering which Wall Street banks would take the hit if San Diego declared bankruptcy?

San Diego’s bankruptcy debate mirrored in South
Despite push for Chapter 9 reorganization, San Diego officials won’t go there

By Craig Gustafson

Originally published November 28, 2010 at 9:15 p.m., updated November 28, 2010 at 9:17 p.m.

City leaders approve significant pay and benefit increases for workers without identifying a way to pay for them. A mayor leaves office under duress. A switch to a strong-mayor form of government. A crushing pension deficit that threatens to overwhelm city finances.

All of the above describe the city of San Diego’s fiscal crisis, but they also describe the circumstances that befell Prichard, a suburb of Mobile, Ala.

The end of Prichard’s tale hasn’t yet been written although the city has filed for bankruptcy twice in a 10-year period. The city’s latest move is of particular interest to some in San Diego because Prichard officials are trying to do something that has never been done anywhere in the United States: Reduce vested pension benefits through municipal bankruptcy.

Nearly every article written about San Diego’s pension woes leads at least a few readers to question why the city doesn’t declare bankruptcy and strip workers of benefits that many residents consider to be too generous.

Many states, including California, have laws that prohibit the revocation of pension benefits, but that may not matter in a federal bankruptcy proceeding. In the case of Vallejo, a San Francisco Bay-area city that filed for bankruptcy in 2008, a judge ruled that union contracts could be changed during the proceedings because the benefits of bankruptcy outweigh state law.

Pat Shea, a lawyer who worked on Orange County’s 1994 bankruptcy case, said he’s disappointed that San Diego isn’t seriously considering bankruptcy as an option.

“You can’t approach the problem by saying I need to see someone else do it first,” said Shea, who ran for mayor in 2005 on a pro-bankruptcy platform. “The reality is that when you have these big issues that you have to deal with, sometimes you have to go first.”

Former City Attorney Michael Aguirre is advocating for bankruptcy because he says the city could eliminate roughly $900 million in pension benefits by entering municipal bankruptcy. While in office, Aguirre challenged those benefits, which he said were granted illegally by city leaders, but lost in court.

If we submit a reorganization plan to the bankruptcy court, we do not have to give away any of our assets and it shifts the burden to the employee and the pensioners to show that they’re entitled to the illegal benefits,” Aguirre said. “It immediately solves your problem because you don’t have to make the full pension payment next year.”

San Diego has a $73 million budget deficit for the year that begins July 1 and pension costs are the key driver of the city’s financial woes.

The annual pension payment — which is mostly paid for out of the city’s $1.1 billion operating budget — is expected to balloon from $229 million this year to $318 million in 2015 to $512 million by 2025. Those payments pay down the overall pension debt.

MUNICIPAL BANKRUPTCY

Requirement: The city must be insolvent and unable to agree to deals with creditors.

How it works: The city would likely hire an outside legal team to handle the case. A reorganization plan would be developed by the city that would get finances out of the red. It would likely include what is called “shared sacrifice” under which creditors would get some but not all of the money owed. In many cases, creditors agree to terms with the city to ensure they don’t lose all of what is owed. A judge would decide disputes between the city and a creditor.

What won’t happen: The city can’t be forced to liquidate assets and the judge is prohibited from interfering with the city’s day-to-day business.

Comment by measton
2010-11-29 10:19:42

You can bet the banks will have moved all of this stuff to pension plans prior to the crash.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:31:53

Maybe. Don’t mistake cunning for intelligence.

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-11-29 09:09:47

“When do you think the housing bust and its consequences will finally be over/”

When, if ever, the greedy financial, corporate and political PTB overlArds decide to allow All-American j6pac to go back to work in THIS country at a decent wage, manufacturing or producing something of use, need or value to be sold at a reasonable price with a reasonable profit that doesn’t have china or India stamped on IT!.

In other words…Don’t hold your breath because it probably won’t happen in our lifetime.

:(

Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 09:28:33

When Time/Newsweek/NYT (if anyone still reads them) has a front page/cover on how housing is the worst investment possible and no sane person would ever buy a house ever again.

Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 09:53:04

Link ??

Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 11:26:03

To be published on Oct 28th, 2012…

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Comment by REhobbyist
2010-11-29 14:04:58

Went shopping last week with my son to find a Christmas present for his girlfriend. She doesn’t buy clothes made in China. Man, it was hard to find something at Macys not made in China! We finally found a nice Donna Karan trenchcoat made in Guatemala. Nothing was made in the USA.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-29 15:14:56

Try your local army-navy surplus store for American made clothes (at least for some all weather basics). I’ve a pair of Corcoran zip up paratrooper boots that have been through the wringer for almost three years, and the field jacket I’m wearing today is over 15 years old with heavy usage and nary a flaw. Some foreign made stuff is creeping in though.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 09:16:35

Scam Diego
Proposition D Thumbed Down Overwhelmingly
By Don Bauder | Posted November 2, 2010, 11:57 p.m.

With half the vote counted, the no vote on Proposition D, the proposal to raise the sales tax, was 62.33% last night (Nov. 2). The yes vote was 37.67%. Clearly, San Diegans are having nothing of the proposal.

Former City Attorney Mike Aguirre has come out with specific plans, focusing particularly on excessive pensions. Driving the $7.2 billion pension debt are the Deferred Retirement Option Plan (DROP), the double-dipping taxpayer ripoff; free pension credits, and retroactive benefits. Aguirre would end DROP, eliminate free pension benefits and remove retroactive benefits. He believes citizens should have a right to vote on the pension debt lawsuit that he pushed when in office, and the City should use the bankruptcy court’s power to adjust debt.

Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 09:59:23

City should use the bankruptcy court’s power to adjust debt ??

Its the only real solution…City’s can and they will…I just wish California could…There is “NO FRIGGEN WAY” that any unions & pensioners feeding on the California feed bag are going to give up without all out war…Bankruptcy is the only vehicle that they cannot overcome…

Comment by Rancher
2010-11-29 10:26:16

You still haven’t read the book, have you?

 
Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 10:46:08

No Rancher but it is sitting on my desk….Next road trip I will dive into it…

Comment by Rancher
2010-11-29 12:15:18

That brought a smile. Swing by next time you’re
up our way.

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Comment by scdave
2010-11-29 14:39:05

Next time through which could be fairly soon…We will probably head up to Seven Feathers…Just need to make the run when I do not have to deal with the ice on the Ashland summit…

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-11-29 09:55:54

Shares in Ireland’s banks rose sharply as markets were encouraged by the bailout’s immediate focus on injecting euro10 billion into the cash-strapped lenders out of a total of euro67.5 billion ($89 billion) in loans.

But the Irish were shocked by a key condition for the rescue — that the government use euro17.5 billion of its own cash and pension reserves to shore up its public finances, which have been overwhelmed by recession and exceptional costs of a runaway bank-bailout effort.

Opposition leaders and economists warned that the EU-IMF credit line’s average interest rate of 5.8 percent would be too high to repay. They also questioned why senior bondholders of Ireland’s struggling banks — chiefly other banks in Britain, Germany and the U.S. — still weren’t being asked to bear some costs.

Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-11-29 13:14:12

the government use euro17.5 billion of its own cash and pension reserves to shore up its public finances

Suspect Ireland’s largest export moving forward will be its people.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 14:16:43

Which revives that old joke:

Q: What’s Ireland’s largest export?
A: The Irish people.

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-11-29 10:06:57

Cheap dollar policy shouldn’t effect Americans as they buy and sell in dollars……….

“Oil’s return to $100 has become the biggest bet in the crude options market.

The price of options to buy December 2011 futures at $100 a barrel jumped 14 percent on Nov. 24, the largest one-day gain in three months, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. So-called open interest for the contract has risen 51 percent this year to 45,424 lots, the highest for any crude option on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

“The tug-of-war in oil prices continues as the short-term debt market concerns obscure improving oil-market fundamentals,” Lawrence Eagles, global head of commodities research at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in New York, said in a Nov. 26 report.

While oil has climbed this year, it has lagged behind the 59 percent increase in the Standard & Poor’s GSCI Index of 24 commodities. A gain to $100 would also trail the record $147.27 a barrel reached on July 11, 2008.

Even if the U.S. recovery falters, investors are banking on China sustaining crude prices. The world’s fastest-growing oil user will consume 9.6 million barrels a day in 2011, second only to the 19.1 million barrels a day to be used in the U.S., according to the Paris-based International Energy Agency. China’s oil demand will rise 4.2 percent next year while that of the U.S. will decline 0.2 percent, the IEA said.

“Global oil demand is set to hit a new record in 2011,” said Francisco Blanch, New York-based head of commodities at Bank of America Merrill Lynch. “The underlying economic picture is still positive. We are still looking for economic growth because of quantitative easing and accelerating growth in emerging markets.”

“In terms oil markets, I believe the age of cheap oil is over,” IEA Chief Economist Fatih Birol said at a conference in Budapest on Nov. 26. “There may be zigzags in the future according to the economy, this and that, but the general trend is we will see higher oil prices.”

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2010-11-29 10:37:28

Listen! That sound you hear in the background is the sound of the European Union and Euro collapsing.

That is not a good thing for us either.

Used home prices here will continue going down however. Too much supply. A good thing for renters.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 10:56:57

I’ve been of the mind that the Euro would collapse sooner or later.

You have strong currency countries like Germany that are, ahem, more than a little annoyed at having to bail out their weak currency counterparts.

And you also have the UK, which never joined the Eurozone. Maggie Thatcher smelled a rat, and I’d have to say that the Iron Lady’s been proven right.

Comment by Rancher
2010-11-29 12:26:48

This is all about saving the banks, not Ireland.

Iceland told them to go to H%$$# and is doing
quite well, Ireland just might do the same.

If Merkel keeps this up, she might not survive.
The Germans are getting fed up with bailing
people out with THEIR money.

 
 
Comment by drumminj
2010-11-29 11:26:15

A good thing for renters.

I’m not seeing that so far. My LL is trying to raise my rent. It appears that the rental market on the East Side of Seattle is doing quite well these days. Unfortunately I don’t see a strong basis for me to argue against the increase - there doesn’t appear to be a bunch of supply out there at the moment.

Sigh.

Comment by 2banana
2010-11-29 11:41:54

In my best soup-nazi voice -

No 2 years of living rent/mortgage free for you…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 11:59:27

“Too much supply.”

Even with all the shadow inventory indefinitely held off the market?

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-11-29 10:39:00

People are not focused enough on the rise in commodity prices…and what that does in emerging-market economies,” says Ruchir Sharma, head of global emerging-markets equities at Morgan Stanley Investment Management. “Beyond a certain point, a rise in commodity prices is not conducive to emerging markets.”

In particular, Mr. Sharma is concerned about oil prices, which finished last week just south of $84 a barrel. “If the price of oil were to get back up to $90 per barrel, I would be turning more cautious,” he says.

One conundrum for investors is how more aggressive tightening would play out in the currency markets. Most investors have been operating on the assumption that with the Fed keeping interest rates at zero for the foreseeable future, any moves by emerging-market countries to raise interest rates would attract even more money from yield-hungry investors.

This is an especially important question for investors who have been piling in to emerging-market bonds priced in local currencies. Many argue it’s a no-lose situation, where even if bond prices fall because of inflation pressures, rising emerging-market currencies will still provide them a profit.

But since China tightened in October, the dollar has been on the upswing, albeit with help from concerns about the European debt crisis. In the current market environment, however, higher interest rates in China have been equated with risk aversion, and thus a stronger dollar. The U.S. dollar index is up roughly 4% since mid-October.

Traders say that until expectations for emerging-market rate increases become more widespread, they could continue to prompt safe-haven buying of U.S. dollars.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-29 10:39:12

:-) (Hwy watched a parade of the “new shiny” Fire-SUV vehicles getting the “Supreme-Clean” treatment at an upscale car wash last week in “The OC”, you’d think with all those strung together 24+24+24 O.T. hour @ x1.5 or x2 (low pay scale) salary shifts, they find the time to wash their own vehicles, but if you have 150 million $$$$$$$$$ sitting in a taxpayer provided cash fund, using $39.00 (per vehicle) of taxpayer money might seem to be much ado about nothing…)

Some O.C. firefighters live out of state

By SALVADOR HERNANDEZ
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

“OCFA Engineer Lloyd Pinel, for example, would have to wait for the next available flight from Third Lake, Ill., The 21-year veteran’s home is a 30-minute drive from Lake Michigan, but more than a three-hour flight from his station in Buena Park.

With more than 2,000 miles between his home and his place of work, Pinel has the longest commute of any OCFA firefighter.

Outside of California

Of the nine firefighters who live outside of California, many have chosen communities with large lots and lower home prices.

Capt. Jeffrey Hoey, a 21-year veteran of the OCFA, lives in Bellingham, Wash., in a house surrounded by acres of woods and grassy open spaces. Located about 90 miles north of Seattle, Hoey’s home is about a 30-minute drive from Bellingham International Airport – about the same time it would take him to reach the U.S.-Canadian border.

It’s a 1,200-mile commute to his fire station in Mission Viejo.

“OT is just a common thing you’re used to,” says Reese, who used to volunteer as a reserve firefighter. “This is 24-hour OT. They may make a lot of money doing that.”

There are opportunities for firefighters to link their shifts together and receive OT, Richter says, but there are limits in place.

Firefighters are restricted to 96 continual hours of work on a volunteer basis.

According to a previous review of OCFA overtime pay by The Register, the top 25 overtime earners for the agency received between $61,000 and $120,000 of overtime pay alone. Earning between $35,000 and $54,000 in overtime pay, none of the nine firefighters who live outside of California were among the top 25.

Four of them, however, earned more than $50,000 in overtime, ranking among the top 100 of OT . They included Engineers Lloyd Pinel and Jeffrey Pederson, and Captains Timothy Gogerty and Jeffrey Hoey.”

With $150 million in the bank, why is fire authority axing firefighters?:

April 2nd, 2009, by Teri Sforza, Register staff writer

Yes. Ok. Well. (Gulp.)

We continued our jaunt through the audit, and noted that:

* the Fire Authority had 1,019 employees in 1999, and 1,122 in 2008. (So, not that many more people.)
* But its spending more than doubled over that period of time – from $119.3 million to $247.6 million.

That, however, is a story for another time.

Comment by Steve J
2010-11-29 12:45:14

I think there are a lot more, but they just don’t bother to tell anyone. I ran into a fireman in lake Tahoe who worked in some town close to Sacromento.

He lived on the Nevada side but he said he still had to pay CA income tax.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 11:37:08

Obama proposes two-year pay freeze for federal workers

The pay freeze, which does not apply to the military, is part of Obama’s effort to contain the $1.3-trillion federal deficit, the White House says.

By Christi Parsons and Lisa Mascaro, Tribune Washington Bureau
November 29, 2010|9:13 a.m.

WASHINGTON — President Obama on Monday morning said that he wants to freeze pay for federal employees for the next two years, a move the administration says would save more than $5 billion between now and 2012.

The freeze would not apply to military personnel but rather to all other civilian employees on the federal payroll. Congress would have to approve the proposal in order for it to take effect.

The plan is part of Obama’s effort to contain the $1.3-trillion federal deficit, and will be followed by more proposals for spending reductions over the next few months, White House communications director Dan Pfeiffer said Monday morning.

The president’s announcement lands as a pre-emptive strike on congressional Republicans, who are preparing a plan to slash federal pay and workforce next year. It comes in advance of a meeting between the Democratic president and GOP leaders at the White House on Tuesday.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 11:49:49

In other news, our President gets attacked by an elbow. Resulting injury requires 12 stitches.

Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2010-11-29 15:18:26

So no Secret Service agent can brag about how he “took an elbow” for the President!

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-11-29 12:00:07

Food Stamps in America…or…”Nation Building” in the x5+++++++ “Evil Axis” Nations whose poor people are clamoring for democracy now!

Shrub’s memoir: “Decision Points”

“Decisions,…decisions…” Jack Benny

“…Obama has proposed freezing non-defense discretionary spending for the next three years, which should save $250 billion from the national deficit over the next 10 years, according to the New York Times. But the Pentagon — as well as some non-defense areas such as the Department of Education, Medicaid and Medicare — is exempt from the freeze.

Boehner apparently agrees with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who last week said the defense budget “should not be exempted” from the freeze.” ;-)

Comment by oxide
2010-11-29 12:33:00

Obama has only suggested freezing the COLA, which was scheduled to be 1.4%. However, employees receive an automatic raise (on step) for each year of service. That raise will not be affected. They will just receive the raise according to the 2010 pay table.

Comment by AvOcadO
2010-11-29 14:04:14

Better than nothing and that is what the GOP does. The GOP is going to spend 4 years making sure the black guy does not get re-elected. And before that they spent 8 yrs running up the credit card bills in other countries.

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Comment by Mags57
2010-11-30 15:36:53

Feds don’t get step increases every year. The first few are 1 each year, than every 2 yrs, and the last few are every 3 yrs.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-29 12:51:33

There is that word “saving” again, and in the same sentence with “deficit”. My Ex would understand this, how borrowing less than you might have is “saving”.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 13:57:10

$28 bn / $1.3 t / 5 = 0.43%; more significant than I would have guessed, actually.

Barack Obama imposes public sector pay freeze

US president calls for sacrifice from workers in effort to cut huge deficit as Republicans ready to fight to extend Bush tax cuts

* Ed Pilkington in New York
* guardian.co.uk, Monday 29 November 2010 20.17 GMT

Barack Obama tonight imposed a two-year pay freeze on all non-military employees of the federal government at the start of what is expected to be a bruising week of clashes with Republicans over how to bring down the US deficit.

Obama said the pay freeze would save approximately $2bn over the current fiscal year and up to $28bn cumulatively over the next five years.

That is still a drop in the ocean of the deficit, which reached $1.3tn, but is a symbol of the president’s willingness to give concessions to the newly empowered Republicans as Congress returns from the Thanksgiving break. He said that he had not made the decision to impose the freeze lightly.

“These are people’s lives. The doctors and nurses who care for our veterans; scientists who search for better treatments; men and women who care for our national parks, borders and skies.”

But he said these were times when “all of us are called upon to make some sacrifices”. He added: “I’m asking civil servants to do what they have always done: play their part.”

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-11-29 11:53:45

I just love a VP of a temp agency (who is on salary) talking in a video about a “flexible workforce” and its benefits to the employer’s strategy, while he has a nice fat weekly paycheck with bennies, and is secure (for now). Does this p o s have an ounce of morals, and has he even been displaced? Does he believe his words? I say, put him out on the streets and see how he feels. 30 somethings with a corporate attitude bug me. I think he’s dead weight too. Just needed to vent.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 12:08:00

And here’s Slim, here to say a good thing or two about temping.

Years ago, I was a (gasp!) temp. I worked in a bookstore on the University of Arizona campus whenever they needed extra help.

While there, I used my employee discount to buy a how-to book on coding HTML. That was back in 1995, and it was one of the few well-regarded books on this topic. (These days, there are dozens.)

Any-hoo, with the knowledge gained from working through that book, I went into the website-building biz. Fifteen years later, here I am.

As for the snarky temp agency employee, such people exist in every industry. And, sooner or later, they do get their comeuppance. Which is a lot of fun to watch.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 13:56:27

I suppose that temping works for some people, but there are millions who would like a FT job with bennies.

I recall reading that 30-40% of Japan’s workforce are temps.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 14:20:35

I suppose that temping works for some people, but there are millions who would like a FT job with bennies.

Here goes Heretical Slim again:

I’ve worked in places where the temps were being auditioned for FT positions. And, in a couple of cases, they were hired and became great employees.

However, there are situations like the one that happened to a former boss. She went to work as a temp at a local educational institution. And a temp she remained.

In essence, she was like those permatemps who sued Microsoft for back pay and bennies. And, ISTR, the permatemps won that case.

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Comment by Spokaneman
2010-11-29 16:23:17

In a country where the availablity of health insurance is, for the most part, tied to being employed, particularly for those over 40 or with a chronic pre-existing condition, the concept of a temp job, as desirable as the work may be is difficult situation.

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-29 15:09:02

The thirty (forty, fifty) year mortgage is not a creature of the temp job era, that’s for sure. Temporary jobs and permanent debts - yuck!

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:42:31

Yuck? That has to be the understament of the new century.

How about “HOLY )*%&(^R%$)(^%… WE’RE *>(*&^(^$#@!!!!”

Which we are.

 
 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-11-29 14:19:22

Az Slim,
Temping has its place, but he was talking about the lean flexible workforce and not paying benefits. Staple employment is a thing of the past was his m.o. People need long term employment. I use to work for a VP who had the same mentality. He only kept a few of us core people and used temps. It didn’t work so well in a REIT. The learning curve was too steep. We were international.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-11-29 14:41:12

“staple” s/b “stable”, but since my friends always tell me they want to “staple” my mouth shut, it maybe 1. a bit subliminal
2. typo.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 14:49:14

I use to work for a VP who had the same mentality. He only kept a few of us core people and used temps. It didn’t work so well in a REIT. The learning curve was too steep. We were international.

Sounds like this REIT’s management got what it deserved.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-11-29 15:10:21

“Does this p o s have an ounce of morals”

Morality is for the little people and the managerial class is composed of sociopaths.

Comment by palmetto
2010-11-29 16:23:52

+1, Colorado.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 12:01:36

Fannie Mae: Americans Increasingly Negative on Housing Market
By Michael Kraus on November 29, 2010

The Third Quarter 2010 Fannie Mae National Housing Survey was released last week. The results showed that many Americans “are less certain that the housing market has bottomed, and continue to be wary of buying a home”. With a steady stream of negative news about the housing market, this should not be particularly surprising. From the survey:

“Fewer Americans think it is a good time to buy a home (68 percent, down 2 percentage points since June) and more Americans think it is a bad time to buy (29 percent, up 3 percentage points). Similar to the last survey, an overwhelming majority of Americans believe it is a bad time to sell a home (85 percent, up 2 percentage points since June)”.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-11-29 12:45:55

If 85% think it is a bad time to sell a house, then they must really be convinced that prices are going to go up.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 12:48:12

Or maybe not. They may be realizing that:

1. There are a lot of houses (read: competing products) already on the market.
2. Prices aren’t likely to go up anytime soon.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 13:06:22

Not necessarily. It could be a bad time now, but even a worse time later if prices are going to go down from here.

 
 
 
Comment by fisher
2010-11-29 12:43:33

“Tiny house movement thrives amid real estate bust”

“GRATON, Calif. – As Americans downsize in the aftermath of a colossal real estate bust, at least one tiny corner of the housing market appears to be thriving.

To save money or simplify their lives, a small but growing number of Americans are buying or building homes that could fit inside many people’s living rooms, according to entrepreneurs in the small house industry.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tiny_houses;_ylt=A0LEarO3AfRMUt8AcVqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNpZXNjam1oBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMTI5L3VzX3RpbnlfaG91c2VzBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDOARwb3MDNQRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA3Rpbnlob3VzZW1vdg–

Comment by Muggy
2010-11-29 13:38:18

Clearly that dude ain’t gettin’ any.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 15:53:47

Not if he has a short, slender girlfriend.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 18:02:29

(Blush…)

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Comment by DennisN
2010-11-29 17:28:38

Do women really care about the size of a guy’s……house?

 
Comment by JackRussell
2010-11-29 18:50:02

The story says he lived there for 10 years until his son was born last year, so I would say your conclusion is not correct.

It also says “He and his family now live in relatively sprawling 500-square foot home next to the tiny one”.

Comment by Muggy
2010-11-29 19:02:05

Dude, it was a joke.

Man, 0 for 2 today. I picked the wrong day to quit sniffin’ glue.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-29 16:42:18

“small but growing” They better not grow much!

By any chance is there a community of these at the end of the Yellow Brick Road?

Damn Toto!

We welcome you to Munchkin Land Fa la la, la la la, la la

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-29 16:59:56

“You start to peel away the things that are unnecessary,” said Johnson,”

Like that large can of peaches or the jumbo pack of toilet paper.

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-11-29 13:08:00

by Danial Gross

Over the weekend, Ireland, the European Union and the International Monetary Fund hammered out an expensive bailout for the erstwhile Celtic Tiger. The EU, the European Commission, and the IMF would each kick in $29.8 billion in loans, funds which would allow Ireland to continue to pay interest on government debt and on bonds issued by failed banks, which Irish taxpayers now support. The bailout came at a heavy price. The loans carry a blended interest rate of about 5.8 percent, and as a condition for receiving the funds, Ireland had to commit “to use 17.5 billion euros ($23 billion) of its own cash and pension reserves to shore up its public finances,” as the Associated Press reported. That’s on top of 15 billion euros in austerity efforts introduced last week.

The parties also laid down new makers. Starting in 2013, a permanent bailout fund would permit bankrupt countries to restructure their debts, a scenario in which bondholders might be forced to accept less than face value for their investments. This provision is seen as a victory for Germany and its Chancellor, Angela Merkel. The largest economy in Europe has been a reluctant and frequently obstreperous backer of the bailouts of Greece and Ireland. Its citizenry has been aghast at the thought of having to help fund the financial profligacy of others. As Merkel put it on October 31, “We must keep in mind the feelings of our people, who have a justified desire to see that private investors are also on the hook, and not just taxpayers.”

Germany has come through the Great Recession of 2008-2009 in much better shape than many of its neighbors, due to smart fiscal and labor policies (German companies had employees share jobs when demand dried up rather than firing them en masse), and due to the fact that its economy relies more on high-value exports than it does on domestic consumption. Now Germany finds itself in a strange place. Its usually cautious corporate chieftains are highly optimistic about the future, its political leadership occupies the moral high ground, and it is asserting itself as the leader of Europe.

Which has me wondering: How do you say hypocrisy in German?

During the boom years, Germany’s banking system was hardly a model of mittel-European probity. The country endured several expensive bank failures and bailouts , including West LB, IKB, Hypo Real Estate, and Sachsen LB. Now, Chancellor Merkel, Germany’s banking system, and the German citizens are among the most significant beneficiaries of the bailout of Ireland — and of the potential bailouts to come of Portugal and Spain.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 13:08:42

Holder Confirms Justice Department Investigating Wall Street
By Sara Forden and Jeff Bliss - Nov 29, 2010 11:52 AM PT

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder confirmed today that the Justice Department is conducting a criminal investigation related to trading on Wall Street.

In response to questions about the probe of insider trading, Holder said an “investigation is ongoing” and described it as “very serious.” Holder was questioned at a news conference at the Justice Department in Washington.

“I don’t want to get into the details,” he said. The investigation is being conducted by the U.S. attorney’s office in New York, he said.

Comment by exeter
2010-11-29 19:48:09

It’s about time. All it will take is sending just one of these corporate thugs to prison for 20 years. #1 on the list? Jamie Dimon.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 00:47:30

I hope you are right about this. There is no better message that could be sent than to send a Wall Street Megabank CEO to federal prison for a long retirement from the financial services industry.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-11-29 13:09:32

The Bank of International Settlements is a great repository of data on who owes what to whom. This chart documents precisely how much exposure banks in different countries have to the public and private debt of other countries. With the biggest economy in the Eurozone, it’s not surprising that Germany’s banks are intricately involved with their neighbors’ economies. In fact, it’s clear that many of the biggest beneficiaries of the deals through which Greece and Ireland accessed international lines of credit to ensure that bondholders wouldn’t suffer unduly are. . .German. (Here’s historical data on German banks’ exposure to debt of other countries.)

So in December of 2009, Germany had $45 billion in exposure to Greek debt; that number fell to about $36 billion in June 2010. Germany’s exposure to Irish debt has fallen from $193 billion in September 2009 to $139 billion in June 2010. That’s second only to the U.K., whose banks own $148 billion in Irish debt. U.S. banks, by contrast, had $68.7 billion in Irish debt in June. German banks, it turns out, are also huge lenders to Spain ($182 billion as of June 2010). In total, Germany’s exposure to the troubled so-called PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain) is $394 billion, or about 13 percent of the banking system’s $3.1 trillion in foreign exposure. That’s larger in absolute and relative terms than the amount of debt held in the PIGS by France ($308 billion, or 9.3 percent of the total foreign exposure), the U.K. ($292 billion, or 7.6 percent), or the U.S. ($126.5 billion, or 4.5 percent).

The cash being provided by Irish taxpayers, the IMF, and European monetary authorities isn’t bailing out bank shareholders, and it’s not being used to help Irish citizens who took out mortgages they can no longer afford. Rather, those Euros will be deployed to help spare senior bondholders on Irish debt from suffering harm. Were Ireland (or Greece) to restructure its debt rather than seek international bailouts, the German banks that own a disproportionate share of those bonds would have to write down the value of their assets, raise new capital or, in a pinch, seek help from their own government.

For Merkel and the German political establishment, it’s the best of both worlds. They build domestic credibility by talking tough about bailouts to Euro-strugglers while insulating their banks (and the electorate) from further pain.

Comment by cactus
2010-11-29 18:13:47

I think the USA bailed out FNMA to help Chinese investors who thought FNMA was backed by the full faith of the US government

When the bill comes due it may look alot like Ireland?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 00:46:18

“…who thought FNMA was backed by the full faith of the US government…”

It wasn’t… until the day it was…

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2010-11-29 13:33:47

I picked the wrong day to quit drinkin’!

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 13:52:56

No reason you can’t start up again. Never forget what Mark Twain said about smoking:

“Quitting is easy — I’ve done it hundreds of times.”

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-11-29 16:02:39

“I picked the wrong day to quit drinkin’!”

Me too, it was 23 years ago. It should have been 33 years ago.

Comment by Muggy
2010-11-29 18:11:26

Sorry, I didn’t mean to mislead anyone. It was a nod to the recently deceased Leslie Nielson. It’s my favorite quote from him. That and:

Son, you ever been to a Turkish prison?

Comment by ecofeco
2010-11-29 19:47:44

Actually, that was Lloyd Bridges (airport head honcho) who said that.

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Comment by exeter
2010-11-29 19:45:39

How did a disciple of Bill become so hateful?

 
 
Comment by whyoung
2010-11-29 19:46:17

Don’t call me Shirley!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 15:48:01

Reuters Breakingviews
Europe’s Crisis of Liquidity
By HUGO DIXON
Published: November 29, 2010

It is about time policy makers did something about financing structures that invite liquidity problems. And they have: the new Basel III bank rules do, finally, address the issue as well as toughen up solvency standards. But no action is required until 2018 — and, yes, that year is not a typo.

Some governments, notably Britain, France and Germany, are planning to impose higher taxes on banks that rely more heavily on short-term “hot” money to finance themselves. This is a good idea, as it gives banks an incentive to secure more stable financing. The snag is that this initiative has been diluted because it will not be global. A White House plan for such a levy in the United States seems to have been killed by Congress.

In the meantime, there will be more crises and bailouts. And banks, governments and their creditors will draw the logical conclusion: it still pays to be foolish.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 16:19:40

Dumb question of the day:

Will 2011 be the year America collectively leaves the denial phase of the housing bubble stages of grief and moves on to the anger phase?

(This is my personal hunch…)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-11-29 16:45:07

I’d be inclined to agree, Bear.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-11-29 17:13:49

I don’t know man…….most of the people I know are still in denial.

A lot of people in Japan believed they were winning the war, right up to the time the B-29s started dropping incendiaries…..

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 18:01:23

“…it still pays to be foolish…”

(From the article I posted above)

Small wonder, huh?

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-11-29 18:23:16

Too true. And there was always the hope of some miracle or super weapon* that would turn the tide and save the day in both Axis nations.

Super weapon = QE2, 3, 4, 5…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 18:08:23

Could this be the main point of the big chill — to make sure Wall Street always keeps the upper hand on its regulators?

I sorta doubt it, as bankster pay is astronomically higher than gubmint pay. Hence I suspect paying gubmint financial regulators marginally less can’t have much of a marginal effect on recruiting trends.

Bull/Bear Report
Nov 29 2010
Obama’s Pay-Freeze Proposal Could Ice Regulator Recruiting
By Kyle Stock

President Obama’s plan to freeze government salaries for two years could hamstring the efforts of the SEC and other regulators trying to lure top talent from Wall Street.

 
Comment by cactus
2010-11-29 18:18:55

oops

NEW YORK (AP) — The Kardashian sisters are seeking to cut ties with a venture that sold prepaid debit cards under their name after coming under attack for the card’s high fees.

The card, which launched three weeks ago, was aimed at young adults, the same group that watches the sisters’ hit cable TV show “Keeping Up With the Kardashians.”

Just to buy the card and use it costs $59.95 for six months, or $99.95 for 12 months. That does not include any money on the card. The person buying the card must add money onto it.

The initial feels were just the start. After those six or 12 months are up, it costs $7.95 a month to keep using the card. Users have to pay $1.50 to withdraw cash from an ATM, and $1 to check their balance. Talking to a customer representative on the phone costs $1.50 for each call, and canceling the card costs $6.

Losing the card results in a charge of $9.95. If the loss is reported within two days, then losses are limited to $50. But if the loss or theft is not reported, and the issuer believes the user knew it was lost or stolen, then losses could be as high as $500, according to the terms and conditions on the Kardashian Kard website.

 
Comment by JackRussell
2010-11-29 20:42:19

It sounds like Wikileaks is going to release documents related to a large U.S. bank sometime early next year.

But nobody is saying which bank is involved - I can just imagine the scrambling behind the scenes at all of the large banks while they try and figure out whether they are the target of the leaks…

 
Comment by cactus
2010-11-29 21:41:32

First WikiLeaks spilled the guts of government. Next up: The private sector, starting with one major American bank.

In an exclusive interview earlier this month, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange told Forbes that his whistleblower site will release tens of thousands of documents from a major U.S. financial firm in early 2011. Assange wouldn’t say exactly what date, what bank, or what documents, but he compared the coming release to the emails that emerged in the Enron trial, a comprehensive look at a corporation’s bad behavior.

“It will give a true and representative insight into how banks behave at the executive level in a way that will stimulate investigations and reforms,

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 22:02:02

“…a major U.S. financial firm…”

Why limit it to just one? How about a comparison of leaked documents from:

- The Federal Reserve
- The Treasury Department
- Goldman Sachs
- JP Morgan
- Bank of America
- GMAC / Ally Financial

Any others that should be included?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 00:44:53

“Any others?”

- Fannie Mae
- Freddie Mac
- HUD
- FHA
- Congressional Banking Committee

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2010-11-30 01:50:56

It will be interesting to see which three-letter entity gets to him first…at the behest of the US or GS–and how? In any case, Assange is a marked man–but his blind servers live on in Equador, Iceland, USA, Singapore….

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 21:42:40

I have a new economic “model” — ya ready?

REAL ESTATE ALWAYS GOES UP.

* ECONOMY
* NOVEMBER 30, 2010

Economists’ Grail: A Post-Crash Model
By MARK WHITEHOUSE

Physicist Doyne Farmer thinks we should analyze the economy the way we do epidemics and traffic.

Psychoanalyst David Tuckett believes the key to markets’ gyrations can be found in the works of Sigmund Freud.

Economist Roman Frydman thinks we can never forecast the economy with any accuracy.

Disparate as their ideas may seem, all three are grappling with a riddle that they hope will catalyze a revolution in economics: How can we understand a world that has proven far more complex than the most advanced economic models assumed?

The question is far from academic. For decades, most economists, including the world’s most powerful central bankers, have supposed that people are rational enough, and the working of markets smooth enough, that the whole economy can be reduced to a handful of equations. They assemble the equations into mathematical models that attempt to mimic the behavior of the economy. From Washington to Frankfurt to Tokyo, the models inform crucial decisions about everything from the right level of interest rates to how to regulate banks.

In the wake of a financial crisis and punishing recession that the models failed to capture, a growing number of economists are beginning to question the intellectual foundations on which the models are built. Researchers, some of whom spent years on the academic margins, are offering up a barrage of ideas that they hope could form the building blocks of a new paradigm.

“We’re in the ‘let a thousand flowers bloom’ stage,” says Robert Johnson, president of the Institute for New Economic Thinking, launched last year with $50 million from financier George Soros, a big donor to liberal causes who has long been a vocal critic of mainstream economics. The institute so far has approved funding for more than 27 projects, including efforts by Messrs. Farmer and Tuckett aimed at developing new ways to model the economy.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 21:50:53

Gravity is generally more on for the Global DOW when the U.S. market is closed than otherwise.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-29 21:59:27

Fund tsunami
Toil and trouble
QE bakes
Another bubble.

Mark Hulbert

Nov. 29, 2010, 11:01 p.m. EST
Is the tide turning?
Commentary: 99-week streak of bond fund inflows has come to end
By Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch

CHAPEL HILL, NC (MarketWatch) — Is the Great Bond Bull Market finally coming to an end?

Countless commentators (myself included) in recent months have concluded that it has, though in retrospect we’ve at best been premature — if not outright wrong.

But there is the distinct possibility that this time may be different: The tide appears to be turning in the huge flow of funds into bond mutual funds and ETFs.

That fund inflow — better described as a tsunami — has been widely noted over the past couple of years, of course, during which investors exhibited an insatiable appetite for bond funds, consistently transferring more money into those funds than they withdrew.

In fact, according to TrimTabs Investment Research, a quantitative research firm, the sustained period of fund inflows into bond funds began nearly two years ago, in mid-December of 2008. The only other occasion in recent stock market history that even comes close to matching this, according to Vincent Deluard, Executive Vice President at Trim Tabs, is the sustained period of fund flows into stock mutual funds in the late 1990s leading up to the bursting of the Internet bubble.

That’s an ominous parallel, of course.

 
Comment by jane
2010-11-29 22:11:55

I don’t know if it has been widely distributed, but the wage/house price ratios in Metro DC are still insane.

Next budget ceiling vote comes up in February. Wonder what will happen if Congress just sez NO?

Last week Prez O announced a 2 year Federal wage freeze. That will of course reverberate through the contractor community. We’ll probably go one better: THREE years to demonstrate our alliegiance and support for the hand that feeds us. O joy!

Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad I have a jobbe at ALL. Much less something that’s relatively decent and thinky. Gladder yet that I got rid of debt overhang. But my margins are being squeezed, as they say.

Interesting times.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 00:29:21

“But my margins are being squeezed, as they say.”

Here’s to hoping the newly-squeezed federal work force withdraws from its automatic stabilizer function, leading to worse-than-expected deflation, bank failures, and a complete dessication of housing demand and consumption spending.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 00:06:43

Is it true that San Diego foreclosure auctions have slowed to a “trickle” of 300 a day? On an annual basis, that would be, like, 300*50*5 = 75,000 homes auctioned. Given that the MLS for San Diego county only shows 10,010 homes at the moment (according to Redfin dot com), and turnover is slower than paint dries, is it safe to say that courthouse step auctions are where the current action is in the market?

Foreclosure Fiasco
Foreclosure scandal impact: Sales dry up
By Les Christie, staff writer
November 29, 2010: 5:12 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney dot com) — Big banks are having trouble restarting the foreclosure process after this fall’s “robo-signing” scandal, and the once booming market for foreclosed homes has been hit hard as a result.

According to ForeclosureRadar, the number of properties coming to auction in hard-hit western states — Arizona, California and Nevada — has dropped more than 30%.

In San Diego, according to broker Scott Cheng of Cheng Realty, who puts investors together with foreclosed properties, the number of auctions scheduled has fallen from 500 a day, to 300. “That part of my business has dried up,” Cheng said. “A lot of my investors have stopped looking.”

Cheng used to be able to find about three or four suitable homes a month for investors looking for a bargain. Now, he hasn’t done one of these deals since August.

“The ones who are really upset are the investors, who buy on the courthouse steps,” said Kevin Berman, a broker with Bankers Realty Services in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. “There used to be sometimes 700 sales a day. Now there are like, seven.”

In September, several banks — including Ally, Bank of America, and JPMorgan Chaseacknowledged problems with their foreclosure procedures. Employees had been signing as many as several hundred documents a day in which they sometimes attested to facts that they had no personal knowledge of, calling into question the legitimacy of the foreclosures. (See “I was a Robo-signer“)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 00:17:52

Foreclosure Fiasco
I was a robo-signer
By Tami Luhby, senior writerOctober 28, 2010: 8:47 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — It only took him a second to sign each foreclosure document.

That’s how good Tam Doan got at his job in Bank of America’s pre-sale foreclosure department in Southern California.

Of course, he didn’t have time to actually read the paperwork he was signing, he said, and in some cases, he didn’t even know what documents he was putting his pen to.

I had no idea what I was signing,” said Doan. “Either you were in or you were out.”

The recent revelation that loan servicers had employees sign thousands of documents a month without verifying the information has thrown the foreclosure system into chaos. Judges are increasingly questioning whether the servicers have their paperwork in order.

Several of the largest servicers, including Bank of America and JPMorgan Chase, have halted foreclosures while they review their paperwork and processes. They want to ensure that the documents at the heart of the concerns — proof of the note, or debt — were signed properly.

Doan approached CNNMoney after the so-called robo-signing scandal came to light last month. After 18 months at Bank of America, he was terminated in early September for failing to follow policy, according to the servicer.

He said he was fired for how he calculated the value on homes destined for foreclosure sale.

If a property was missing a certification that the bank had done all it could to help the borrower, Doan said he would set the home’s value at 100% of the debt owed. The bank’s policy, however, was to set it at 85%, he said.

Doan said he hoped the higher price would make it harder for the bank to sell the house at auction, and thus prompt Bank of America to work things out with the borrower.

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Quiz
Foreclosure Fiasco
Befuddled by foreclosures?
Foreclosures have become a complicated mess for homeowners nationwide. Can you cut through the confusion? Take the CNNMoney foreclosure quiz.
By Jessica Dickler

Done
Final score: 6 of 6 points
You got 6 of 6 questions correct.

Great job! You’ve just secured yourself a spot with the Federal Housing Administration.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 00:22:48

Foreclosure Scandal Is More Than Robo Signatures
Press misses the premeditated criminal context
By Danny Schechter Created: Oct 14, 2010 Last Updated: Nov 21, 2010

A man speaks with a bank consultant to restructure his mortgage at the nation’s largest loan modification event, at the Los Angeles Convention Center, on Sept. 30. (Mark Ralston/AFP/Getty Images)
Danny Schechter News Dissector

The other day, during an interview on Al Jazeera, I was asked if I was frustrated because my warnings and worries about the financial meltdown and foreclosure crisis, first aired in 2006, have been ignored so long.

Duh!

The excruciating lesson I learned is that it takes time for a problem to turn into an issue and then, an issue to get attention, to move from the business section to the news section, from the back of the paper to page one.

It is always hard to predict which story will grab the attention of a news media that has not paid sufficient attention to these issues for years. What connects for editors is usually a small matter and a symbolic one, a story that’s not just new but dripping with the appearance of injustice or hypocrisy.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 00:26:22

WSJ Blogs
Developments
Real estate news and analysis from The Wall Street Journal

* Study: More Investors Short-Selling Home Builders
* Real Estate News: 10 Things Your Landlord Won’t Tell You
* November 29, 2010, 10:06 AM ET

What Happened to the Government’s Short Sales Program?

By Nick Timiraos

In April, the Obama administration formally rolled out a new program, called Home Affordable Foreclosure Alternatives, that was designed to spur more short sales, where banks allow homeowners to sell their homes for less than the mortgage debt outstanding.

Like other foreclosure-prevention initiatives, this one appears to be off to a slow start — just 342 sales have been completed through September.

HAFA was designed as a cousin to the Obama administration’s Home Affordable Modification Program, HAMP, whose woes have been well documented. HAFA works like this: Servicers are supposed to consider short sales for borrowers who aren’t able to receive a HAMP modification. Because some 700,000 HAMP applicants have been ejected from that program, there’s a potentially large pool of borrowers who might be evaluated for HAFA.

Initially announced in May 2009, HAFA was also designed to help reduce wait times by streamlining the short sale process through standardized documents and approaches for short sales. Under the program, the government offers incentive payments to mortgage-servicing companies, investors and even the borrowers that accept a short sale under prescribed guidelines.

For example, second-lien mortgages receive 6% of the unpaid loan balance in a short sale, up to a maximum of $6,000, but they must agree to relinquish all claims against a borrower. (Our story on Saturday illustrated why seconds pose problems in short sales.) The program also provides $3,000 in “move-out assistance” to borrowers.

Many real-estate agents say banks have largely ignored the program and that they are applying it unevenly. “Banks are initiating the HAFA transaction and then after three weeks they say, ‘Naw, sorry, you didn’t qualify,’” says Greg Markov, a Phoenix real-estate agent. “That three weeks is a huge pain. You wasted all this time.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 00:39:49

Mortgage implosion bagholder identification process continues.

Just Eat It!

Banks in U.S. Resisting Calls to Repurchase Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Loans

By Lorraine Woellert and Clea Benson - Nov 29, 2010 9:00 PM PT

The Fannie Mae headquarters building stands in Washington, D.C., U.S. Photographer: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are facing growing resistance as they attempt to push failed home loans off their books and onto the balance sheets of banks including Bank of America Corp. and JPMorgan Chase & Co.

The two government-owned mortgage companies are enforcing contracts that require lenders to buy back loans that didn’t meet underwriting standards. At the end of September, the companies reported, banks hadn’t responded to $13 billion in buyback requests. A third of those were at least four months old and Freddie Mac has begun to assess penalties for the delays.

Lenders say they are resisting buybacks because McLean, Virginia-based Freddie Mac and Washington-based Fannie Mae are unfairly second-guessing old appraisals, accusing originators of failing to verify income, or pinning failed loans on minor technical errors. Larger banks say they can handle the potential losses. Some smaller lenders say the strain could sink them.

About 40 percent of repurchase requests are rescinded after lenders provide additional paperwork, said John A. Courson, chief executive officer of the Mortgage Bankers Association, a Washington trade group.

“We’re burning a lot of stockholder resources, and clearly a lot of Fannie and Freddie resources, to have 40 percent of these things rescinded,” Courson said in an interview. “It hurts the banks and frankly we’re wasting government resources, too.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 00:57:24

Bank foreclosure mix-up escalates
Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Lisa Coryell
SPECIAL TO THE TIMES

TRENTON — A city woman who claims more than $150,000 in jewelry was stolen from her while she was locked out of her home in a bank foreclosure mix-up last year has sued Bank of America.

Nina Morra, 58, of Division Street was denied access to her home for three days in December 2009 when a misguided bank contractor changed the locks as part of a foreclosure process.

When she was finally allowed back into her home, Morra’s suit alleges, she found it had been ransacked and that money, a brand new laptop and a safe containing more than $150,000 in jewelry had been stolen.

“It wasn’t just stressful. It felt like I had been killed,” said Morra, a native of Poland who speaks broken English. “Everything I had in my life was gone; my case with jewelry, my computer, some money and my documents.”

Bank of America later admitted it had caused the snafu by failing to notify the sub-contractor in charge of winterizing foreclosed homes for the banking giant that Morra, who was behind or her mortgage, had entered into a repayment plan and was no longer in danger of losing her home.

In court papers filed in civil court recently, Morra’s attorney accused Bank of America, its subsidiaries and private contractors of entering her home, shutting off the utilities, changing the locks and slapping a foreclosure notice on the door without a court order and without Morra’s knowledge and consent.

“The actions of the defendants in entering the plaintiff’s residence without any authority and rummaging through her belongings, taking personal belongings and locking her out of her own home were willful and wanton misconduct and constitute gross negligence,” the suit alleges. “As a direct and proximate result of the defendants’ gross negligence and willful and wanton misconduct, plaintiff has suffered significant monetary losses in excess of $150,000 plus emotional distress and public embarrassment.”

Her attorney, Robert Rubinstein said Morra has suffered emotionally from her ordeal.

“You feel violated when someone comes into your home, rummages through your things, leaves them lying around and neighbors see a sign that says your house is in foreclosure when it’s not,” he said.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 01:00:09

Foreclosure foul-ups
Banks have made the turmoil in the housing market worse.
12:00 a.m. EST, November 30, 2010

Mess is too mild a word to describe the situation created by mortgage industry foul-ups in the foreclosure process. Mayhem is more like it.

The collapse of the housing bubble, and month after month of high unemployment, have fueled a sustained surge in foreclosures nationwide. Florida has been among the hardest-hit states.

Some buyers irresponsibly bought more house than they could afford, counting on real-estate values to rise indefinitely. Others were lured into mortgages they didn’t understand and couldn’t repay, often by unscrupulous mortgage brokers. Others found they couldn’t keep up with their payments after losing their jobs.

But the mortgage industry has made the turmoil worse. Some bank call centers haven’t been capable of properly handling requests for loan modifications from qualified borrowers. And some lenders have hired law firms that rushed through large volumes of paperwork using “robo-signers” instead of carrying out their legal obligation to verify the documents.

This week the Sentinel reported on the story of Clare Sheaffer, a former St. Cloud City Council member who applied to her bank, Chase Home Lending, to modify the terms of her home loan after she was laid off. The relief she was promised didn’t come through, she said, because of mistakes by Chase’s call center.

Ms. Sheaffer wound up being threatened with foreclosure and harassed by bill collectors. Her original modification application has expired, forcing her to reapply and keep bill collectors at bay while she works two jobs.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 01:02:52

I suppose 50 cats in a foreclosure home are better than a much smaller number of pigs?

More than 50 cats found abandoned in foreclosed home in Fort Collins
By Associated Press
4:42 p.m. MST, November 29, 2010

FORT COLLINS, Colo. (AP) — A Larimer County animal shelter is looking for help with more than 50 cats found abandoned in a house that was foreclosed on in Fort Collins.

The sheriff’s office tells Denver’s KMGH-TV that animal control officers found dozens of cats and kittens living in what they called “deplorable” conditions. The front yard was littered with furniture and debris from the home, apparently put there during the foreclosure process.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-11-30 01:07:27

House Flippers: The Forgotten “Victims” Of The Real Estate Implosion
Posted: November 29, 2010 at 11:15 am

Ask not for whom the foreclosure bell tolls, house flippers. It tolls for thee.

With profuse apologies to Ernest Hemingway, that butchered metaphor sums up the predicament facing many real estate investors caught in a legal Noman’s land caused by the robo-signing scandal which has left them with properties which they are no longer sure they own. If they want to get their money back, they may have to prove that the bank knew it was conning them, something that may be difficult to do. They also may face legal action from people evicted from their homes because of faulty paperwork.

But what about the people who bought these homes? That’s where things get a little dicey. Clearly, their rights were violated as well. But in the legal tsunami created by the robo-signed documents, they should be last in the pecking order. Many of them, particularly sophisticated investors looking for a quick flip, probably knew or should have known that something was amiss. How is it that the foreclosure process — which is purposely cumbersome to protect the rights of homeowners — suddenly became streamlined? What about the same people’s names appearing in hundreds of documents? That did raise any red flags either.

“The ones who are really upset are the investors, who buy on the courthouse steps,” said Kevin Berman, a broker with Bankers Realty Services in Fort Lauderdale, Fla, told CNNMoney. “There used to be sometimes 700 sales a day. Now there are like, seven.”

Adds to this the lower prices that new homes are fetching and it becomes even harder for flippers to make a profit on an existing dwelling that has been extensively fixed up. It’s human nature to prefer something new over something old if they are priced about the same.

Still, there are thousands of people in this country who believe they have what it takes to become the next Donald Trump. They get plenty of encouragement from cable television shows such as A&E’s “Flip This House” and Bravo’s “Flipping Out” and TLC’s “The Property Ladder.” Though these programs do illustrate the downside of flipping — potentially losing boatloads of cash — they make it seem like a grand adventure. These shows offer as realistic view of real estate as “Gray’s Anatomy” does for medicine. Untold millions watch the flipping shows, though, and figure that if those bozos on TV can do it, so can I.

This sort of delusional or magical thinking is evidence of what economists call a moral hazard. Essentially, it means that the government shouldn’t reward people for making stupid decisions. Though the idea was turned on its head during the recent bailouts of industry, it is still a worthwhile idea. It shows ` there are consequences to actions. People who acquired homes that they should have known they couldn’t afford crossed the moral hazard threshold. They deserve some help, particularly if they can prove they were victims of fraud. Otherwise, their rights should come secondary to the victims of fraudulent mortgage documents. Flippers are private businesspeople who should have known the risks they were getting into before they entered a deal. Few if any deserve government help.

 
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