December 19, 2010

Bits Bucket For December 19, 2010

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Comment by whyoung
2010-12-19 05:48:58

Opening the Bag of Mortgage Tricks
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/business/19gret.html

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 10:46:32

“But borrowers aren’t the only ones concerned about potential mischief. Investors who hold mortgage securities are increasingly worried that servicers may be putting their interests ahead of those who own the loans.”

It sounds like Uncle Sam may be the last ‘investor’ left standing on the lending side of the mortgage market for the foreseeable future. Without a rule of law to rein in Megabank, Inc’s shenanigans, plus the Fed-engineered low-rate environment, which snuffs out the fraud-risk premium and the falling-knife-collateral premium that Mr Market would otherwise price into mortgage lending rates, there seems to be little reason for private investors to take their monies out from under the mattress to put it at risk in the private mortgage lending market.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-12-19 05:55:23

I thought there was a drought in CA? Well, anyway, all you Cali HBBers, stay dry and avoid mudslides.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40736789/ns/weather/

Comment by WT Economist
2010-12-19 09:11:42

I think CA needed this.

Comment by pismoclam
2010-12-19 22:59:34

Where is Igor, I mean Al Gore when we need him? He’s probably getting a massage, eh ? Let’s see, the Farmer’s Almanaq says another LITTLE ICE AGE is started.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 09:32:19

It’s starting to look a lot like the San Diego winter of 2005 — a year of mudslides and incipient housing price slides.

Comment by CharlieTango
2010-12-19 11:58:16

its been snowing 2″ / hour, well into day 2.

wet, heavy and deep 50″ yesterday looks like same toay

 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-12-19 13:09:07

My rain guage buckets are filling up over 4″ last time I checked

Last time it rained like this a golf course built on a dry river bed spewed mud across a low lying housing tract in Moorpark

Comment by ahansen
2010-12-19 14:46:52

Glub….

 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2010-12-19 05:59:51

Since the fine posters of the HBB are hardcore readers I am hoping for book recommendations for a young adult in transition. My Daughter is a high school senior, top student and good to very good athlete. I know many of the posters here have or have had college age children and wonder if any found a book particularly helpful to their child….thank you

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 07:51:36

Beyond Good and Evil by Friedrich Nietzsche (or any of his oeuvre, but that’s a great title for her dorm room bookshelf :wink: )

Comment by bill in Tampa
2010-12-19 08:10:48

I was 18 in 1977 and my dad got me into “How I Found Freedom In An Unfree World,” a timeless non-fiction book.

 
Comment by Dale
2010-12-19 10:03:00

Atlas Shrugged……..you know you like it.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-12-19 10:06:10

Careful, that book makes teenagers completely insufferable!

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 10:28:27

just teenagers?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 10:49:26

The Prince — Machiavelli

Animal Farm — George Orwell

Fahrenheit 451 — Ray Bradbury

Slaughterhouse Five — Kurt Vonnegut

Catch-22 — Joseph Heller

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Comment by oxide
2010-12-19 11:25:32

Good god, you didn’t list 1984?

Also, Freakonomics.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-12-19 12:28:32

“Grapes of Wrath”. John Steinbeck

“Soldier” Anthony Herbert (if you can find it).

 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-12-19 19:05:03

I dug Credit Card Nation

 
 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-12-19 08:08:26

Pagan Christianity, Frank Viola

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 09:48:38

“Have you ever wondered why we Christians do what we do for church every Sunday morning? Why do we “dress up” for church? Why does the pastor preach a sermon each week? Why do we have pews, steeples, choirs, and seminaries? This volume reveals the startling truth: most of what Christians do in present-day churches is not rooted in the New Testament, but in pagan culture and rituals developed long after the death of the apostles. Coauthors Frank Viola and George Barna support their thesis with compelling historical evidence in the first-ever book to document the full story of modern Christian church practices.”

Sounds awesome! Thanks for the recommend. I am going to order a copy for my dad (a retired clergyman…).

Comment by exeter
2010-12-19 10:13:07

“most of what Christians do in present-day churches is not rooted in the New Testament”

And you’ll discover after reading that most of what is said by clergy and hard headed traditional believers and the “religious right” is complete and utter BS. But then again, cannot be overstated how everything is completely reversed in God’s economy. Pagan Christianity validates everything Orwellian.

Another book that exposes corporate warlords use of religion to rationalize the genocide of palestinian Christians; Burning Issues: Understanding and Misunderstanding the Middle East: A 40-Year Chronicle

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 10:38:19

And you’ll discover after reading that most of what is said by clergy and hard headed traditional believers and the “religious right” is complete and utter BS.

To tie together two recommendations, Nietzsche claimed that Paul inverted Jesus’ teachings when he created a church primarily dedicated to worshiping Jesus, rather than following and disseminating his message.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 10:53:52

“…primarily dedicated to worshiping Jesus,…”

Cults of personality have deep roots in human existence.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-12-19 16:42:01

There’s only been one christian.

 
Comment by ahansen
2010-12-19 22:19:14

Huh? There were all kinds of christs in biblical times. It was a description, not a name.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-12-19 10:31:34

Pews are a fairly recent “innovation”. Many Orthodox Churches have no pews to this day.

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Comment by polly
2010-12-19 08:37:11

“In Praise of Boredom” is an essay by Joseph Brodsky which was originally written as a commencement address and later included in the book of essays, “On Grief and Reason.” Pages 104 to 113. I heard it from the glee club section during those graduation exercises, and I have never connected to any piece of writing so completely. Stunning in its impact. Brodsky is an outstanding writer in genera, but this one is over the top fantastic.

Comment by jane
2010-12-19 22:13:54

Thank you, Polly. I have ordered this book. I, too, am a fan of Brodsky.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-12-19 08:38:49

Involves athletics, new “relationships” & things beyond a “winning”…

(I know it’s an oldie):

Brian Piccolo: A Short Season, was written by Jeanne Morris

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-12-19 08:41:03

things beyond a “winning”…or “whinning” as well.

 
 
Comment by michael
2010-12-19 08:57:17

Dune.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-12-19 09:14:14

Well, if she is going to good school, she’ll read lots of good books when she gets there.

My experience is the only way to ensure a book will not be read by your child is to recommend it. But “Happiness A History” was an easy and readable account of philosophical history on the meaning of the good life.

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2010-12-19 09:35:24

Surrounded by Idiots: Fighting Liberal Lunacy in America

by Michael Gallagher

Definitely non-fiction

Comment by exeter
2010-12-19 10:23:43

More fiction as usual.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 10:41:50

It’s actually a sub-genre: Fantasy.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-12-19 14:51:06

“Fantasy”

Book One, of the “Lord of the Dittos” Trilogy

 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 09:37:27

In what state do you live?

A highly recommended pamphlet is available FREE from the CA state bar: “When You Become 18″. It explains in simple language what the rammifications are of becoming an adult in the eyes of the law. But its citations to statutes are specific to CA. It’s of general legal discussion for other jurisdictions. I always recommend it to my friends when their kids turn 18.

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Public/Pamphlets/WhenYouBecome18.aspx

Comment by jane
2010-12-19 22:44:47

DennisN, fabulous idea! Has the great advantage of being a frugal alternative.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 09:44:56

- Songs of Innocence and Experience, William Blake

- Song of Myself, Walt Whitman

- Short Stories of Mark Twain

- Short Stories of Guy de Maupassant

- The Catcher in the Rye

- The Great Gatsby

- The Investment Answer

- The Grapes of Wrath

Steinbeck wrote: “I want to put a tag of shame on the greedy bastards who are responsible for this [the Great Depression and its effects].”

Some things never change!

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-12-19 09:48:56

I think the great David Lereah wrote a fascinating book on real estate investing.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 11:05:09

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Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 10:24:00

It’s important for a young person to understand recent history, in order to better understand why and how we got to the present mess. It’s also important to understand how to marshal facts and arguments even in the face of overwhelming opposition, and to keep your focus on what’s important.

Perhaps the greatest story ever told is contained in The Last Lion: Alone by William Manchester. It’s the second volume in a planned 3 volume biography of Winston Churchill - left sadly unfinished at Manchester’s death. It covers those terrible years 1932-1940 leading up to WWII, when Churchill stood virtually alone warning the world about what Hitler’s plans entailed.

http://www.amazon.com/Last-Lion-Winston-Churchill-1932-1940/dp/0316545120

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-12-19 10:24:56

“The Alchemist” by Paulo Coelho. Also “Walking Across Egypt” by a southern writer whose name escapes me at the moment.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-12-19 10:27:08

And any novel written by Joseph Conrad.

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2010-12-19 11:11:26

“Infinite Jest” (1996)by David Foster Wallace.The action takes place in Boston at two separate but curiously similar venues—an elite tennis academy and a drug rehabilitation facility—in a near future in which calendar years are available for corporate sponsorship (the Year of the Trial Size Dove Bar, the Year of the Depend Adult Undergarment, and so on).

“The Myth of Sisyphus” (1942) by Albert Camus. It is a philosophical essay that comprises about 120 pages and was published originally in 1942. In the essay, Camus introduces his philosophy of the absurd: man’s futile search for meaning, unity and clarity in the face of an unintelligible world devoid of God and eternal truths or values. Does the realization of the absurd require suicide? Camus answers: “No. It requires revolt.”

“The Trial” by Franz Kafka (1925) one of Kafka’s best-known works, it tells the story of a man arrested and prosecuted by a remote, inaccessible authority, with the nature of his crime never revealed to him .

“The Big Sleep” (1939) is a hardboiled crime novel by Raymond Chandler, the first in his acclaimed series about detective Philip Marlowe.

“The Sun Also Rises” (1926) by Ernest Hemingway. The plot centers on a group of expatriate American citizens and British subjects in continental Europe during the 1920s.

“Tropic of Cancer” (1934) by Henry Miller. Set in France (primarily Paris) during the 1930s, it is the tale of Miller’s life as a struggling writer. Combining fiction and autobiography, some chapters follow a strict narrative and refer to Miller’s actual friends, colleagues, and workplaces; others are written as stream-of-consciousness reflections.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-12-19 11:12:03

high school senior, top student and good to very good athlete ??

What sport and where is she going to college ??

Comment by Hard Rain
2010-12-19 12:30:32

First of all, thank you all for the great suggestions. It’s funny how many of these titles I have read, enjoyed and forgotten. Ahh

Fahrenheit 451 — Ray Bradbury

Slaughterhouse Five — Kurt Vonnegut

Both titles had a big impact on me at that age, especially Fahrenheit 451, I read every book by both authors after that and remember the depressing feeling of finishing their works…

WT

Your “Happiness A History” might be just I was looking for. It sometimes concerns me the seriousness in which she views life. I am all for achievement but in the end I just want the kid to be happy….

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-12-19 17:58:09

I have just been watching World At War - not a book, but an excellent documentary that delves into the causes as well as the progress of World War 2. The rise of the Japanese military in the 30s was related to the suffering caused by the Depression, which hit Japan very hard. Japan is resource poor and land limited. Its rising population contributed to hunger. It is not surprising that they looked elsewhere for food and minieral resources.

Is the US reaching the point where militarism will take over the country? If China experiences a crash, will they?

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Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 19:58:38

You mean http://www.amazon.com/World-War-30th-Anniversary/dp/B0002F6AH0 ? Good buy at $35. The Blu-ray is cropped for “widescreen” even though the original films were shot in 1.33:1 academy ratio, so you probably are better off with the cheaper standard-def DVDs.

A relative of mine is dating a “ding-dong” divorcee. She has “sheltered” her daughters, age 13 and 17, to “prevent them from seeing any bad or distressing things in the world”.

Since teenagers don’t read books much, I sent them a copy of the DVDs last Christmas. I got nothing but a ration of “stuff” for “exposing her dear precious daughters to ugly things.” :roll:

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-12-19 23:25:41

That’s the one.

For those interested in WW2, I also recommend The Thousand Mile War by Brian Garfield. It is in the style of The Longest Day and covers the war in the Aleutians. The Japanese occupied one of the islands. Both the Japanese and Americans battled the weather as much as each other.

http://www.amazon.com/Thousand-Mile-War-Aleutians-Classic-Reprint/dp/0912006838/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1292825860&sr=8-1

Too bad about the girls. They are being set up for a rude awakening.

 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2010-12-19 12:54:46

She plays basketball. She is being recruited lightly by Division II schools and more heavily by D3. She hasn’t decided exactly where she’s going but most likely it will be a state school ( I know Eddie….) in New England. I have kept my nose out of the recruitment process since she seems to be handling it in a professional manner.

Given a choice I would like to see her at a smaller rural school for a change of scenery. She now attends a large city high school which could be best described as gritty. Her mother and I weighed sending her to private high school but decided that dealing with real life at an early age would clarify what you don’t want to be (we wouldn’t have risked it if she hadn’t had her study habits ingrained by eight years of Catholic school). It seems to have worked so far, she will graduate in the top ten and knows a loser when she sees one….

Comment by Muggy
2010-12-19 14:04:21

The books that hit me the hardest at that age were:

1. Books by Greg Iles with Penn Cage as the main character (series). Iles is amazing at making everyday life dramatic…

2. Into the Wild by Jon Krakauer

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Comment by Muggy
2010-12-19 17:00:04

BTW, am I the only person that put down the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo halfway through? It never got me.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 21:40:21

Krakauer is great.

“Under the Banner of Heaven” is a most interesting look at religion.
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Here are a few more random suggestions:

- Simon Winchester’s books are most interesting (at least for my taste):

* The Day the World Exploded

* A Crack at the Edge of the World

- John McPhee is another good choice if she is geologically inclined

* Annals of the Former World

* The Control of Nature

- Jared Diamond for a big picture view

* Guns, Germs and Steel

* Collapse

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-12-19 15:48:24

She plays basketball ??

Neat…My daughter played Volleyball in College…Something about woman sports, particularly in college, the teammates become life long friends…

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Comment by elvismcduf
2010-12-19 12:36:31

robert perzig: zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance.

 
Comment by mariner22
2010-12-19 12:48:05

The World Is Flat - Thomas Friedman.

 
Comment by cactus
2010-12-19 13:19:24

The “Fourth Turning” by Strass and Howe

puts things in perspective

 
Comment by traderjack
2010-12-19 14:47:05

Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

Plato, The Republic

All she needs to know!

 
Comment by traderjack
2010-12-19 14:50:50

And, of course, the Rubiyhat of Omar Khayham, to broaden her knowledge.

 
Comment by ahansen
2010-12-19 15:00:17

“War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning”
-Chris Hedges

An exegesis on the ultimate nature of competition, cruelty, and human community.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2010-12-19 23:21:42

Sex Smart: 501 Reasons to Hold Off on Sex: A Sexuality Resource for Teenagers

by Susan Browning Pogány

:)

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 06:16:36

Justices Offer Receptive Ear to Business Interests
By ADAM LIPTAK
NYTimes

The Chamber [of Commerce] now files briefs in most major business cases. The side it supported in the last term won 13 of 16 cases. Six of those were decided with a majority vote of five justices, and five of those decisions favored the chamber’s side. One of the them was Citizens United, in which the chamber successfully urged the court to guarantee what it called “free corporate speech” by lifting restrictions on campaign spending.

The chamber’s success rate is but one indication of the Roberts court’s leanings on business issues. A new study, prepared for The New York Times by scholars at Northwestern University and the University of Chicago, analyzed some 1,450 decisions since 1953. It showed that the percentage of business cases on the Supreme Court docket has grown in the Roberts years, as has the percentage of cases won by business interests.

The Roberts court, which has completed five terms, ruled for business interests 61 percent of the time, compared with 46 percent in the last five years of the court led by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, who died in 2005, and 42 percent by all courts since 1953.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 12:44:45

Does big business (e.g. Megabank, Inc) have a means of bribing the Supremes to rule in their favor? If so, how does this work? (It’s not like the realm of elected officials, where campaign finance can be used to create quid pro quos.)

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-12-19 06:21:00

Home-buying paralysis? Tips for getting the best deal faster

By Lew Sichelman
December 19, 2010

Kathleen O’Reilly of Re/Max Horizon in Elgin, Ill., should get a medal for showing houses.

A recent client looked at 45 houses before deciding on one. And you guessed it: The buyer settled on the first one O’Reilly had shown him. The place had everything the buyer wanted, the Illinois agent says, but he looked at 44 others before feeling confident that he was getting the best deal possible.

“Buyers have read a lot about foreclosures, short sales and how desperate sellers are,” says Sarah Ritter, a Re/Max Properties agent in nearby Western Springs, Ill., who is working with a couple who have looked at more than 40 houses and have yet to make an offer.

It’s not just a northern Illinois phenomenon either. It’s happening all across the country. Agents use words like “petrified” and “paralyzed” to describe “unsure” buyers. And who can blame them? After all, no one wants to buy a house now only to see it drop in value as soon as they move in, or maybe even before they take title.

At the same time, though, people are buying houses, and according to the latest figures from the National Assn. of Realtors, first-timers are leading the charge. Rookie buyers now account for a record 50% of all sales.

http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-lew-20101219,0,7137667.story - 157k -

Comment by exeter
2010-12-19 08:21:45

Petrified, paralyzed and unsure huh? The REIC/MSM Crime Syndicate spews more tripe. Precisely what I expect from these creeps. I’m wagering the duration from initial contact between realTARD and a buyer to the execution of a sale has at least doubled and the Housing Crime Syndicate characterizes this as a negative. It’s the buyers inadequacy…… right Realtards?

The jig is up. The mud puddle sized pool of buyers consists of skeptics like us who were shut out of the market for 10 years. Have no doubt in your minds Realtor thugs…… it’s a new market but fear isn’t a part of it.

Comment by mikeinbend
2010-12-19 08:49:56

Realtors have BO

Comment by Kim
2010-12-19 13:15:31

Funny you should say that…

I’ve mentioned that we are working with our second agent in three years (and we’ve looked at waaayyy more than 45 houses). One of the reasons we are no longer working with agent #1 is that his BO was so bad. DH swears it gave him a migraine. Plus the guy didn’t present our offers with an acceptable level of enthusiasm.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-12-19 10:29:13

+1. Not “paralyzed,” just prudent, as we survey the bleached bones of the FBs and knife catchers littering the housing bubble landscape.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 11:02:24

“After all, no one wants to buy a house now only to see it drop in value as soon as they move in, or maybe even before they take title.”

That would be pretty darn stoopid, wouldn’t it? I am frankly surprised that we see as many people out there buying as we do, but I guess Amerikuh hasn’t run out of stoopid people.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 11:21:03

P.S. My impression is that the main problem Used Home Sellers currently face is not that they have run out of stoopid people, but rather they face a shortage of potential buyers with buckets of money and boxes of stoopid. If only the Fed could figure out how to refill those money buckets, the housing market recovery could begin.

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 06:21:49

Coalition united over bank bonus curbs
BBC

The coalition is united in its determination to curb bank bonuses, Vince Cable has told the BBC.

The business secretary told the Andrew Marr Show both coalition parties were “fully signed up” to “robust action”.

Lib Dem ministers have stepped up their rhetoric on bonuses, with Nick Clegg saying the government would “not stand idly by” if they were too high.

But Labour dismissed his words as “hot air” aimed at repairing his reputation after the student fee protests.

The coalition is anxious to avoid a round of lavish Christmas bonuses at Britain’s banks, many of which are part owned by taxpayers, at a time when the rest of the UK is having to tighten its belt.

But it is not clear what action, if any, ministers will take.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 06:31:00

The British Bankers Association spokeswoman Angela Knight said the UK’s financial services industry had to compete for business and “talent” with countries where standards may be more relaxed.

Globalism strikes again!

Comment by Jim A
2010-12-19 08:00:46

Ooooh Ooooh Ooooh! I could lose you a million pounds for half the salarys of those guys.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-12-19 10:16:00

Ooooo! Oooooo! I’d do it for no salary, and only half of their BONUSES!

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 10:47:16

Sorry guys. You’d make ten million dollars a year in New York for losing that much money, plus a twenty million dollar bonus- so we’re gonna have to pay you that much. But we promise to keep your taxes low.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-12-19 10:30:28

Blah blah blah. The banksters own these asshats, just as our own Republicrats are Wall Street’s eager errand boys.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-12-19 06:48:12

Police in Iran streets as subsidies are cut
December 19, 2010 7:55 AM ET
By NASSER KARIMI

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - The Iranian government sent squads of riot police to man the major intersections of the capital as a controversial plan to cut food and energy subsidies and quadruple the price of gasoline went into effect Sunday.

Eye witnesses reported a heavy police presence in the squares and junctions of Tehran as well as some western neighborhoods of the city, though so far the city has been quiet.

In 2007, angry protesters set dozens of gas stations on fire after the government imposed a new system of gasoline rationing to cut down on access to the country’s heavily subsidized fuel.

Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 10:29:37

Iran produces vast quantities of crude oil but has little if any refinery capacity. IIRC they have to import almost every drop of gasoline they use. They would achieve better national security if they put their A-bomb funds into building petroleum refineries. But I doubt they would listen to me.

Comment by skroodle
2010-12-19 11:21:08

Iran will be out of oil in less than 20 years.

An interesting book is “Crash of ‘79″ by Paul Erdman.

It was written in the early 70’s and detailed a plot by the late Shah to invade and take over the oil fields of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

 
 
 
Comment by Bad Chile
2010-12-19 06:58:35

Bad Chile Update:

It didn’t work. Seven months ago we moved to the southwest for the weather, cost of living, and jobs.

It didn’t work. After seven months of daily fears of a layoff, about a two months ago my hours and salary got significantly reduced (well, salary, I still need to work full-time to get the job done). The first week of December a few number-crunchers from corporate came for a short visit, which resulted in mass layoffs the day after they left. I survived. Barely. I was on the phone trying to get some work as one-by-one the cubes were emptied around me. Felt like the last days of Enron or Lehman Brothers. There are 57 cubes on my floor, currently 13 are occupied.

We discovered that the schools in this area weren’t as good as they were 30 years ago. The weather is still terrific. The failed narco-state state to our south worries us. Having a few lunches with professional recruiters in the area I’ve learned even those guys are trying to move because there aren’t any jobs here. I did poor research, poor planning, and got burned.

Being long-time readers of this blog, the Chile family always had a backup plan. A few months ago I began planting the seeds to return to my old job (same company). On Friday it was decided and accepted. We move next Thursday. The move coincides with the end of our lease (mobility is our top asset); we celebrated a small Christmas yesterday and mini-Chile got a Tonka dump truck he absolutely loves. He’s been driving it around all day. One toy that will last years. He is young, he won’t remember this.

My coworker’s fates are not nearly as happy. Many are stuck in houses, unable to follow the great migration to wherever the jobs are. More are living paycheck to paycheck, desperately computing if unemployment compensation will cover the mortgage, let alone health insurance.

More later…

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-12-19 08:10:59

Good try, good plan, safe move, Merry Christmas and long live mini-Chile`s Tonka truck.

Comment by mikeinbend
2010-12-19 08:48:30

As an Oregon teacher, trying to get a job while explaining playing the Mr. Mom/Joe house flipper role for the last few years, my motto is “Have license, will travel”. I have worked in Bend, Redmond, Madras, Dayville/John Day, Lincoln City, Newport, Waldport, Seaside. Mostly tutoring, subbing, or longer term temporary gigs that have all ended

Finally landed a local gig so I can sleep with my wife and put my kids to bed. Its 9 hours a week as a tutor for the district. However, the job allows me to network with teachers and get on the local substitute list. So far I have about 10 teachers who will request my presence in their stead if they are violently ill! Hey it’s a start. Since there are so many subs, you also can not get signed on without a principal recommendation, so after asking my building principal to do so for me I have also been getting about two days worth of sub work.

But it definitely is hard here for most vocations; friend has a new baby, can’t get a job, and mom is a night shift nurse that wants to quit and raise the child for at least a couple years. This is emasculating for the fellow, who would rather be the bread winner than Mr Mom at this point. But if his wife gives up her nursing job there, is a hiring freeze at the hospital and they would lose their health insurance. So they live with tensions and strife that will require my friend to reinvent himself or move back to where he started (Santa Cruz) for employment. He has a masters and several years teaching experience as a ESOL guy.

That is the word on the street. I may try to get special education endorsed in the near future; that or a middle school math endorsement.

Good luck Bad Chile, sounds like you will land on your feet, too bad moving is a pain (although less so for “minimalists” who don’t get too attached to their stuff!”) and great choice on the Tonka.

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2010-12-19 10:11:52

Hate to clog with follow ups, but this Tonka truck rules. I’m just glad he went down for a nap, I’ve been pushing it around for the past 10 minutes, dumping some Duplo blocks out, bulldozing them back in.

Nothing like the old standards: big yellow metal dump truck. No batteries, no hand holding. Good fun. Now, if you don’t mind me, there is some homeowner with some moldy Chinese drywall that is paying premium rates for hauling since…well, I don’t know why they’re bothering, they’re getting foreclosed on anyway. But they’re paying cash! ;-)

Comment by polly
2010-12-19 10:24:16

I got the big, yellow, metal Tonka dump truck for my cousin for his second birthday. It was the one thing that could motivate me to get my butt over the Hudson and into NYC that first weekend after September 11th. I could have bought it on amazon at that point, but I wanted to pick it out myself, make sure it was the right size and all that. I wasn’t there for the party, but my uncle assured me that his face lit up like no one’s business. The young man is 11 now and much more interested in science and video games than dump trucks, but I will always remember getting him that truck, even if he doesn’t remember it.

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Comment by CrackerJim
2010-12-19 12:08:25

Just to clarify:
That old standby “days gone by” Tonka is now “Made in China” and has been for several years.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 08:26:07

He is young, he won’t remember this.

He might remember his truck. I still remember my toy red fire truck. The rest is noise…

 
Comment by exeter
2010-12-19 08:38:07

Chile,

Great info, thank you for posting. It’s unfortunate for you and yours. IIRC, you were in NE, Mass I think.

I’ve long maintained that the bubble blew and would come apart geographically. The cracks in the mid atlantic and new england are beginning to show, especially employment. Last week I told Mrs Exeter to mentally prepare for a layoff in the next 18 months. Billion $$$ projects in the Northeast and New England are nearing completion and projects in the design pipeline won’t offset this…. not even close. Also, bids for new high dollar work are coming in at 50% of estimate and the bidders are from all over the country…. this is a significant development. Public works construction combined with municipal employment is what kept the speculation rolling here.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-12-19 08:50:46

a few number-crunchers from corporate came for a short visit, which resulted in mass layoffs the day after they left.

“These f@!king Guys!,” Jon Stewart.

Sorry to hear ’bout that Chili, hope the re-move goes smoothly in Winter weather.

(Just watched “Outsourced” on Netflix last night,…ugh)

(ps, where at in the SW?)

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-12-19 09:45:04

We’re in Albuquerque, and Exeter is right, we’re heading back to Mass. The public works spending in MA is a least a little more gravy for the next year, and the office there is much bigger. And I have the connections there to help cushion the blow if it comes to a layoff. As always, it isn’t what you know, it is who you know: in this case, I know far more people in the industry in MA than here. And the opportunities which I walked away from are still available; mainly short term overseas travel which I enjoy (and pays great). Which is fine, good work and there are enough post-conflict zones needing engineers around the world to keep me busy for a few years. Civil wars, infighting, and

Ironically enough, we just watched Outsourced (the movie) last night as well. I haven’t really been outsourced, just not needed.

The office boss was very kind, he completely understands my desire to bail. The direction this office was heading wasn’t a good direction and the company viewed it as dead-end where people go to see their jobs get eliminated. I was brought in because “we have a ton of work” and I never had a full week of work unless the old office was sending me work. Which drove the accountants (and me) nuts.

We’re having fun packing. We kept the boxes, we don’t own much (because we’ve moved a ton) so I’ve spent about five hours on packing and it is almost all done. Moving in December is cheap.

And it isn’t that we didn’t see it coming, unlike most my coworkers that thought an utter lack of profit from the office was something that could last forever. Ha!

We’ll be fine, as mikeinbend guessed. We’ll be more than fine: we got good stories out of this experience!

And I’m looking forward to spending more time back here on the blog!

Comment by exeter
2010-12-19 10:17:59

Chile,

Are you a civil? If so, what are you working on? And are you a consultant or construction?

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Comment by scdave
2010-12-19 11:55:41

Good luck Chile…Its sounds like you are excited about the move back so the trial and experience of the NM move was probably worth the hassle…If you would not have tried it, you would always be questioning if you should have…Tonka Truck ?? Big time best…Have a safe drive home…

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Comment by 2banana
2010-12-19 10:12:51

Being long-time readers of this blog, the Chile family always had a backup plan. A few months ago I began planting the seeds to return to my old job (same company). On Friday it was decided and accepted. We move next Thursday.

At least some good news for a co-worker now that your position is now “open”?

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-12-19 10:33:26

All the best to you and yours, Chili. I hope you land on your feet through all the changes.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-12-19 10:56:30

Hey Bad Chile,

Sorry to hear that things didn’t work out the way you had hoped, but glad that you have a safety-net to fall back into. Best wishes for the move; hope it is smooth and as non-painful & non-disruptive as is possible with these things.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-12-19 11:35:59

One toy that will last years.

I once read the instruction manual for the Furby. That thing had enough capability to keep ME busy for months! I see no reason for kids to receive more than 2-3 very complex educational toys. My pick: Legos. The original ones, please, not the highly specialized kits that can make only one spacecraft.

Comment by rusty
2010-12-19 14:07:12

The specialized ones have their uses as well. We get our son one a year. He then mixes in all the neat new pieces, like hinges and special shapes into his other , more generic, designs the rest of the year.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-12-19 13:25:09

New Mexico ?

I hate the layoff thing I left Phoenix and RFMD because of it

Constant doom is not good even though I sold in 2005 and banked the profit , it was still depressing

Now back in stress city CA but the weather is nice even this rain its still 60F outside not bad for DEC.

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-12-19 13:28:21

Welcome back to Mass. Too bad you couldn’t hang down there for a few more months as the cold weather here is in high gear until March.

 
 
Comment by polly
2010-12-19 07:08:48

NPR interviewing mortgage industry guy who is stunned that mortgage rates are headed up to 5% despite the Fed’s attempt to get them down even further, but they aren’t really upset as long as rates hang out at around 5%.

Comment by mariner22
2010-12-19 07:43:25

According to bankrate.com, 30 year fixed rates are already over 5%….

Comment by polly
2010-12-19 08:06:26

The interview was probably recorded a number of days ago. I also expect that for people trying to talk up the economy and real estate market, anything below 5.7% will be considered “around” 5%.

Just a personal anecdote. As most of you know, I was unemployed before I got my current. There were a variety of reasons for the length of time. I might have had more success, if I had been willing to give in and interview in the financial sector. But I didn’t and got this job eventually. I am finally relaxing a bit and willing to spend a little more these days (made in the USA furniture arriving this week, new computer will probably be purchased within about a week). Now, I ate into my savings while unemployed, but I never touched retirement money and still had quite a bit of cash on hand (18 months or so or living expenses) when I started. It has taken nearly SIX YEARS for me to get comfortable spending again. Yup, that is right. Six years and getting current salary to be somewhat larger than previous one was (I took quite a salary reduction compared to previous pay check). I don’t doubt that most people won’t react quite as conservatively when they get back to work, but that is one end of the spectrum. And I refuse to believe I am the only one who inhabits this part of the curve. Merry Christmas to the economy.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-12-19 09:07:40

made in the USA furniture arriving this week

Bless you child! ;-)

(Hwy plays music)
O-o-h Child Lyrics
by Edwin Hawkins Singers / cover by Melanie (Safka)

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Comment by oxide
2010-12-19 11:45:59

That’s my goal someday too. I spent about a grand on necessary pieces for the moment, but someday I hope to chuck all of it in favor of really good Amish stuff.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-12-19 10:36:04

“I don’t doubt that most people won’t react quite as conservatively when they get back to work, but that is one end of the spectrum. And I refuse to believe I am the only one who inhabits this part of the curve.”

polly, I suspect you are not alone on that part of the curve. And regardless of the shape of that curve, I do think the whole curve will be shifted in the “more conservative” direction for a while. Those who were without work for a chunk of time now know what it feels like not to always have another job readily available. And theyknow what it feels like to be burning through their available resources, and should feel a need to build them back up against a recurrence.

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Comment by polly
2010-12-19 10:58:27

By the way, for a comparison, it only took about a year (maybe a little less) after paying off the last of my student loans to get to a place where I was comfortable spending a bit on goods that were “nice, but not needed.” Of course, I was earning more then (absolute, not just inflation adjusted). Stunning to think I was making more in 1996/97 than I am now.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Rancher
2010-12-19 09:42:34

From the ticker:

Over 1% raise in the past 2 weeks. .2% lastnight alone and .21% the night before. Things are coming to a head quickly. 1% rise in IR is probably good for a 10% drop in home prices in this climate. At 6% IR the damage to fragile home values becomes VERY apparent.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 09:55:28

Has the Fed lost control of mortgage rates, or does the recent spike in rates represent tacit disapproval of the federal tax rollback?

Interest Rates > Does the Federal Reserve Control Mortgage Rates?
Date: 04/17/2007

When it comes to long-term rates however, like the 30-year fixed mortgage rate, the Fed has only limited influence. Mortgage rates are based on the government 10-year Treasury bond. This is because long-term mortgages are generally bought up by companies like Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and bundled and repackaged as securities to be resold on the secondary markets. The investors and their buying and selling trends with the bonds determine the interest rates for long-term mortgages. If the investors perceive that the Fed is lowering rates because the economy is doing poorly, they may be more conservative in their buying and selling and long-term mortgage rates may also dip slightly. Conversely if the Fed perceives that the economy is doing really well and inflation is rising too quickly they will raise rate. Mortgage rates may also rise, though usually not as dramatically, because the bond traders have the same perceptions.

So while the exact influence of the Federal Reserve on mortgage interest rates is hard to define, it is clear that it does have an impact on rates. Although if you are trying to determine which way mortgage rates are going to go, you would probably do better watching the bond market and monitoring the general economic trends.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 09:59:20

I suspect Dean Baker’s assertion that “the Fed can control long-term interest rates” is going to face a severe challenge over the next few years.

The Fed Can Control Long-Term Interest Rates

The Washington Post had another piece pushing deficit scare stories. This time it tells readers that Greece’s problems could spillover to the U.S. According to the piece, fears of a Greek default could lead investors to become more worried about a U.S. default, pushing up interest rates on U.S. government bonds.

There are two logical problems with the assertions in the piece. If investors flee U.S. bonds because they fear default, where are they going to put their money? If the U.S. actually did default, then almost any other asset will also take a huge hit. For example, holding U.S. stock or bonds would be really really stupid if you thought that the U.S. government was going to default on its debt.

This would in turn imply a general flight from dollar denominated assets, which in turn would lead to a plunge in the value of the dollar. A plunging dollar would in turn lead to soaring exports and a would cause the economy to boom rather than crash, as the article claims.

The other logical problem is that, contrary to the assertion of the article, the Fed actually can control long-term interest rates. It can in principle buy as many Treasury bonds as it wants. Ordinarily it would be reluctant to buy a huge amount of long-term bonds because of fears of inflation, however in the context of a sharp downturn and high unemployment, inflation is not a serious concern.

–Dean Baker

Comment by cactus
2010-12-19 13:32:10

A plunging dollar would in turn lead to soaring exports and a would cause the economy to boom rather than crash, as the article claims.”

BS a plunging dollar would wipe out the holders of Treasuries
and cause a pullback in their own economies as they figure out they are much poorer now. probably a trade war.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-12-19 10:34:48

Gee, who’d have thought Uncle Ben’s profligate banknote creation would result in inflation (soon to be hyperinflation).

 
 
Comment by fisher
2010-12-19 07:38:11

More trouble for the Bernake and his QEx?

SKorea plans levy on foreign currency bank debt

“SEOUL, South Korea – South Korea plans to impose a levy on non-deposit foreign currency debt held by domestic and foreign banks in a bid to defend itself against capital surges that could threaten the country’s economy, financial authorities said Sunday.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101219/ap_on_bi_ge/as_skorea_bank_levy;_ylt=A0LEao9GFw5NzA4Bwkis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNuMGllcDZ0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMjE5L2FzX3Nrb3JlYV9iYW5rX2xldnkEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM2BHBvcwMzBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDc2tvcmVhcGxhbnNs

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-12-19 10:36:03

If tensions with North Korea take a turn for the worse, capital flight will be the issue, not speculative hot-money inflows.

Comment by scdave
2010-12-19 12:00:27

Yep….

 
 
 
Comment by bob
2010-12-19 07:42:45

prev thread re DREAM ACT (by CoSpgs4):

“Yes. Let’s allow a pathway for many more college educated illegals to compete with many college graduates who can’t find jobs now.”

Just to note that college education had nothing to do with the DREAM ACT. It was pure attempt for mass-amnesty.
It barred the Gov from carrying out any investigation on the documentation provided (i.e. encouraging fraud) and provided immediate temporary work and travel permits (with full ability to soon sponsor relatives from abroad).

The education requirement was only exemplary. Two years spent in part-time community college (no need to complete or graduate) was an example, but it could be waived if requiring it would “cause hardship”.

So any illegal, even in his forties, could just file a claim under DREAM ACT, causing immediate halt of any deportation proceedings and immigration investigation related to said illegal, and giving said illegal immediate temporary green card. S*x predators and gang members were welcome too (only very long prison sentences were disqualifying, though waivers available too).

I could have imagined helping, under certain cicrumstances, illegals who graduate from real college and have no criminal record and do not get any other privilegies (over legal immigrants or citizens), but DREAM ACT was such a sickening act that I will never support any such bill again. Borders must be secured first.

Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-12-19 08:58:51

Good information. Thanks. I didn’t know all that was part of the DREAM Act, but none of it surprises me, either. Funny how the Act was promoted as something quite different.

We have a corrupt government. The only way the Political Class can achieve their goals is to lie or obfuscate.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-12-19 09:15:27

The only way the Political Class_______________ can achieve their goals is to lie or obfuscate.

Contemplate, prioritize, then fill in the blank with a name that provides satisfaction. ;-)

http://memegenerator.net/Foghorn-Leghorn/ImageMacro/887752/Foghorn-Leghorn-boy-i-say-boy-I-think-yer-on-to-something.jpg

Comment by exeter
2010-12-19 09:23:03

Here…. fixed it for you….

The only way the corporate class can achieve their goals is to lie or obfuscate.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-12-19 16:58:03

No committee hearings, no witnesses testifying, no amendments allowed. Great way to legislate.

Paraphrasing the poster here yesterday, we came within five votes of losing our country.

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2010-12-19 10:38:29

illegals who graduate from real college

You make a good point, there. The college part of this thing may be related to the fact that so many members of Congress are old dudes. There was a time before WW2 when it was a big accomplishment for a poor immigrant kid to get accepted to a college. These days there are many colleges out there that actually accept anybody who applies. So it doesn’t take much effort to get into a college and complete two years.

Comment by Kim
2010-12-19 13:29:19

“So it doesn’t take much effort to get into a college and complete two years.”

…so long as you’re willing to take on a mountain of debt. But it seems a great number of immigrants are, so that isn’t an issue, I suppose.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-12-19 10:41:03

I’ll get bashed for saying this, but I have great sympathy for the children of illegals who through no fault of their own are stuck in a legal limbo. There should be some route for citizenship for those who prove themselves to be worthy of it, by being law-abiding and showing themselves to be net assets to society. And maybe we could strip the rights and privileges of citizenship from proven dirtbags regardless of how “American” they are, and find some Devil’s Island we can banish them to.

Comment by skroodle
2010-12-19 12:00:36

There is nothing preventing those children from applying for a legal visa like other aliens.

It used to be that being born in this country gave you the right to citizenship, but it is some how changing to “if you have lived for a bunch of years in this country you have the right to citizenship”.

 
Comment by cactus
2010-12-19 13:37:11

I’ll get bashed for saying this, but I have great sympathy for the children of illegals who through no fault of their own are stuck in a legal limbo. ”

I agree

Comment by GH
2010-12-19 20:16:05

I feel bad for most of the worlds population, but what is needed is not amnesty or taking them all on here, but figuring out how to help them make their homes - often beautiful countries better and with more opportunity. If we continue what we are doing right now, our future will be as a third world country with no opportunity. Already getting there I am afraid.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2010-12-19 20:23:51

We’ve been improving China and India as fast as we can :-).

 
 
 
Comment by Rancher
2010-12-19 14:53:49

Then why do so many of these young people who
are illegal all claim allegiance to Mexico, a failed
narco/corrupt state. If they like it so much, why
don’t they move back to their parents country
of birth? You would think that they’d do anything
they could do to facilitate their absorption into
our culture and begin the process of legalization.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-12-19 08:44:08

“It was pure attempt for mass-amnesty.”

Amnesty huh? Amnesty is explicitly an act of forgiveness, a waiving of punishment for wrongdoing. These offspring of parents who came here illegally are guilty of nothing so it is not amnesty.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-12-19 10:41:47

They are still neither citizens nor legal resident aliens. If not an amnesty, its still a free pass to the front of the green card line.

Comment by exeter
2010-12-19 11:23:40

Whatever you want to call it, the Dream Act doesn’t meet the definition of the word “amnesty”.

Comment by oxide
2010-12-19 11:55:47

I would call it pragmatic amnesty. I wouldn’t mind the DREAM act if it was something like “You must be between x and y years of age. Show me your four year diploma and converse in English,” and THEN they can fill out an app for a green card and do citizenship by normal channels.

But all the little exceptions that Bob lists are an invitation for exploitation and abuse. I really don’t like the part where you can just sign up for a college class (in what, Spanish?), and not have to complete anything.

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Comment by In Montana
2010-12-19 19:15:53

You better believe the social workers would have had them do just that.

 
 
 
 
Comment by GH
2010-12-19 20:22:10

Their parents had little or no consideration for the impact being here illegally would have on their children, but the fact remains they are not in the country legally, and we have a process by which a person of a foreign country applies for citizenship and can immigrate to the US.

Most of these children are from beautiful countries where they could return and take what they have learned here to make their country a better place to live instead of remaining here making ours a worse one.

Sorry, but we simply do not have the resources to be the world Saviour any more and must take action to secure our borders and clamp down on those who should not be here.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-12-19 08:54:41

Banks still falling by the wayside.
FDIC shuttered half-a-dozen more banks Friday.

Individual accounts are still insured for a quarter-of-a-million dollars each, so most folks have nothing to worry about. Still, it’s unnerving to notice that 157 banks have fallen in 2010 compared to 3 in 2007. The savings and loan crisis of twenty years ago rings in our ears.
~ Bank Closures

So far this year the FDIC has spent some $21 billion on bank closures. The agency has a line of credit with the U.S. Treasury, which means the cost of bailing out depositors rests squarely on the pocketbooks of the American taxpayer - particularly future taxpayers who must somehow untangle the web of debt we are weaving for ourselves. <

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-12-19 09:03:16

Here is one way to beat the high cost of education. I think I will head on down to Kinkos tomorrow and print myself out an M.B.A. to get my income up.

At least 30 people apply for nursing licenses with forged transcripts from West Palm Beach

By Eliot Kleinberg and Daphne Duret
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:05 p.m. Saturday, Dec. 18, 2010

At least nine people obtained licenses in the past year to work in Florida as nurses, even though the credentials they used to get them were fake, according to documents obtained . One person has been criminally charged.

They were among more than 30 who applied for licenses with transcripts from the Academy for Practical Nursing and Health Occupations in West Palm Beach, even though they had not finished or never attended the school.

But did they knowingly defraud license boards, or were they duped by others who took large fees to help them “graduate”?

The Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office is investigating the phony transcripts, but detectives won’t say what they’ve found or how widespread the problem might be.

And Florida officials can’t say with certainty how many people may be working with licenses they didn’t earn.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-12-19 10:43:57

“I think I will head on down to Kinkos tomorrow and print myself out an M.B.A. to get my income up.”

Don’t bother. Not even a real one is worth anything these days unless its from an Ivy league school.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-12-19 09:05:34

13M get unexpected tax bill from Obama tax credit

WASHINGTON (AP) — About 13.4 million taxpayers may be getting unexpected tax bills because they were awarded too much money under President Barack Obama’s Making Work Pay tax credit, a government audit said Thursday.

The tax credit, which expires Jan. 1, was designed to increase take-home pay by about $8 a week through new tax withholding tables. The credit was capped at $400 for individuals and $800 for married couples filing jointly.

However, the credit put millions of taxpayers at risk for not having enough taxes withheld from their paychecks, resulting in a tax bill when they file their returns, said the audit by J. Russell George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration.

Those at risk included people with multiple jobs, married couples who both work, Social Security recipients who also work, and young workers who are also claimed as dependents on their parents’ tax returns.

“The Making Work Pay credit is a key tax credit designed to increase spending and stimulate the economy,” George said. “However, many taxpayers who are accustomed to receiving refunds when they file their tax returns may have owed taxes and incurred penalties in 2009, and may yet again in 2010, because they were advanced more of the credit than they were entitled to claim.”

Comment by CoSpgs4
2010-12-19 09:19:14

““However, many taxpayers who are accustomed to receiving refunds when they file their tax returns may have owed taxes and incurred penalties in 2009, and may yet again in 2010, because they were advanced more of the credit than they were entitled to claim.”

And whose fault is this? For calendar year 2009, I claimed ZERO exemptions. ZERO! Yet, I still had to cough up an extra $420 earlier this year to pay off the Feds for tax year 2009.

A-holes. I claimed NOTHING yet still had to pay.

2010-12-19 13:42:17

You must have had income sources that were not subject to withholding. Single zero never has to pay on the wage reflected in the W-4.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-12-19 09:09:33

More curmudgeonry from Fred Reed

“If Homeland Security says you must go through a CAT scan, naked, and singing the Star Spangled Banner, then you have to do it. There is no recourse. You can un-elect an elected official, but there is no way to get at a bureaucrat. If you do not submit, you go to jail.

“Shortly we will hear the death rattle of free expression. No government sees an advantage to itself in a free press, though countries with decent governments feel much less threatened. Our government fears nothing more.” ~ Awaiting the Storm ~ Fred Reed

“…the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.”

Fred’s web site is blocked on many federal installations for “promoting hate.” In other words, criticizing your government is hateful.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-12-19 10:49:38

This is what Americans voted for. This is what Americans want. The only pro-Liberty candidate in the 2008 Presidential elections, Ron Paul, picked up the support of only about 5% of the electorate. This clearly demonstrated to the Banksters and bureaucrats that 95% of the Sheeple really don’t mind being bent over by Wall Street, having their currency debased by the Fed, having staggering debts foisted on their children, or seeing their most basic freedoms and rights stripped away. They may mumble and grumble, but the corporate-owned MSM and entertainment industry will ensure that they stay as docile as Hindu cows.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 16:53:09

This is not hyperbole either.

Sometime in the last 10 years, (google it) a poll was taken asking people if they thought the 1st Amendment should be limited.

A majority said they thought it should.

Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 19:20:06

I remember a story - perhaps apocryphal - where some wags re-wrote the Bill of Rights in modern English. They they took it to shopping malls and set up a booth, asking people for signatures for “a petition to Congress”.

Most people refused to sign the “petition”, claiming it was a commie plot. :roll:

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 10:56:08

“There is no recourse.”

1. Don’t fly.
2. Get your own private landing strip and your own airplane.

Comment by CharlieTango
2010-12-19 12:05:44

you don’t need your own strip, just your own plane.

Comment by Rancher
2010-12-19 14:56:28

The FAA is slowly encroaching on small airports
and increasing the rules for private aviation.
Soon you’ll be inspected just to do some touch
and goes. Arrrragh…

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Comment by bob
2010-12-19 09:21:13

“Amnesty huh? Amnesty is explicitly an act of forgiveness, a waiving of punishment for wrongdoing.”

Many people in their forties who came here illegally few days ago could just provide “documentation” that they lived here years and took classes in community college years ago (or simply asking for waiver, since education would cause hardship). Submitting the DREAM ACT claim would give them immediate legal status (before any decisions, and investigating fraud not allowed). Besides, many have been using fake SSN or other documentation and commiting other forms of identity theft (ie criminal activity). Many who were convicted of crimes were eligible too (as only long prison sentences were disqualifying, unless waived).

Amnesty is certainly the right word. Their status has been illegal and it would have been turned into legal status (privileged, e.g. much better than legal H1B workers) by act of Amnesty.

Comment by oxide
2010-12-19 11:59:46

Yes, thank you Bob. :roll:

This is the second time you’ve posted on this, and you’re not a regular poster here. Who is paying you to post here?

Comment by evildoc
2010-12-19 14:41:27

Uhhh, so… you disagree?

Is his point less valid if he is paid to make it?

You have evidence he is being paid to make his point?

I love the smell of paranoia in the morning

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-12-19 17:02:39

Note that oxide doesn’t say Bob is wrong. Oxide just doesn’t like Bob to point out the facts.

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Comment by oxide
2010-12-19 20:07:01

Note that I agreed with Bob upthread. I just saw the same thing posted twice and didn’t know if it was some kind of grassroots spam. I apologize.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2010-12-19 17:26:59

Amen, brothah! I think I’ve seen bob post here before, although maybe not as much as others. And I’m sure we’ve got plenty of lurkers on this blog and I welcome them to “come out of the shadows” if they wish. His points about the Dream Act are factual, and important.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-12-19 09:23:51

Consumer, Business Spending Probably Increased as U.S. Economy Accelerated (Bloomberg)

Spending by U.S. consumers and businesses probably accelerated in November, a signal the economy is speeding up at the end of the year, economists forecast before reports this week.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 16:54:52

“Probably” is a worthless concept and even more worthless reporting.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-12-19 21:22:46

I probably disagree with you. :)

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 09:49:10

Ten worst states for retirees
Marketwatch

Plenty of folks are aware of the best states for retirees. But what are the 10 worst states in which to spend your golden years?

People of Illinois, California, New York, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Ohio, Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Connecticut and Nevada — you probably already know the answer.

The list, with Illinois leading the pack, comes from website TopRetirementsdotcom. According to John Brady, president of TopRetirementsdotcom, the 10 states earn this dubious distinction largely because of three factors: fiscal health, taxation, climate.

As for fiscal health, six of the 10 worst states for retirees on TopRetirementsdotcom’s list were among those just identified by a Pew Center for States report as being in “fiscal peril.”

The report, “Beyond California: States in Fiscal Peril,” showed that “some of the same pressures that have pushed California toward economic disaster are wreaking havoc in a number of other states, with potentially damaging consequences for the entire country.”

Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island and Wisconsin joined California as the 10 most troubled states, according to Pew’s analysis.

Of note, TopRetirementsdotcom’s Brady suggested that retirees and would-be retirees might want to avoid states in fiscal peril because these locales might be expected to face decreasing services and increasing taxation.

Comment by 2banana
2010-12-19 10:19:35

People of Illinois, California, New York, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Ohio, Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Connecticut and Nevada — you probably already know the answer.

Yep - these states are great places to get an insane pension as a public union worker.

Not such a good place to stay after you retire.

So then these public union goons move to LOW TAX states. These states are low tax becuase they do not have insane public unions and insane public union pensions.

Kinda ironic - isn’t it?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 10:55:59

It’s a lot like CEOs who offshore jobs, but live in the US.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 11:13:59

It’s sort of a “wealth transfer” from those high-tax states to the low-tax states. It’s well-known that the most common place for CA cops to retire is….Idaho. Although that’s partly for taxes and partly for red-state politics. I wouldn’t be surprised if the economy of northern Idaho is substantially underwritten by California pension money.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-12-19 12:08:13

Kinda ironic - isn’t it? ??

Or just plain “stupid”….We need bankruptcy legislation in DC to allow states to declare…

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 11:25:18

People of Illinois, California, New York, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Ohio, Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Connecticut and Nevada — you probably already know the answer….

Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island and Wisconsin joined California as the 10 most troubled states, according to Pew’s analysis.

Let’s see, the intersection of these two sets is Illinois, California, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Wisconsin, and Nevada. They must be “two time losers”. :lol:

I hadn’t heard that Oregon is in such crappy shape.

Comment by scdave
2010-12-19 12:11:23

I hadn’t heard that Oregon is in such crappy shape?

Just so happens that I spoke with my cousin in Grants Pass this morning…He said things are very rough…No work…

Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 13:13:25

When I worked as an engineer at Bell Aerospace back in the late 1970’s, they had a manufacturing plant in Grant’s Pass called “Oregon Technical Products”. Apparently it’s been gone for a long time now. I wonder what’s the story about OTP and it’s decline.

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Comment by Rancher
2010-12-19 15:02:20

Oregon Technical Products? I’ll find out. Give me a few days to dig. We did have a small division of Fairchilds that closed years ago.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 17:24:01

I did some looking and found out the site is now a toxic waste site. :roll:

http://deq12.deq.state.or.us/FP20/Fpdetail.aspx?SiteID=1177

Textron owned both Bell Aero and OTP at the time. The Dalmo Victor div. of Bell Aero, where I worked, is shown as getting sold off to General Instruments and Litton.

 
 
Comment by Rancher
2010-12-19 15:00:03

No work is right, and Home Depot just announced that they’ll break ground for a new
store here this spring. Our local rag, the
Courier, never prints anything that is negative
to the housing industry and is the prime pimp for the local RE whores.

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Comment by scdave
2010-12-19 15:55:33

Home Depot just announced that they’ll break ground for a new
store here this spring ??

What location Rancher ??

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-12-19 16:25:50

Grants Pass. The little town 25 miles west
of Medford and about 30 miles north of the
California border. We do have a nice river
that splits the town, good for steelhead.

 
 
 
 
Comment by rms
2010-12-19 11:25:54

California and Oregon. I never imagined that a coastal residence would be so difficult to achieve. There is a retirement tsunami zone here in Washington, but it rarely sees any sun.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 11:39:27

“And still surrounded by abandoned homes…”

Same here. But then I never imagined that the Fed and the Treasury would step in to artificially support housing prices. Thanks to their backstopping efforts, the housing market is in a liquidity freeze — prices are in a dead-cat-bounce and qualified buyers who are willing and able to pay these prices are scarce.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-12-19 13:46:18

would-be retirees might want to avoid states in fiscal peril because these locales might be expected to face decreasing services and increasing taxation.”

hmmm like buying into a HOA thats under funded and over regulated ? Special assesments ? too many dead beats not paying ? Poor maintance , incompetant Board Members

yes its the same don’t do it

 
 
Comment by SUGuy
2010-12-19 09:55:12

We have 70 plus inches of snow which is a record since 1902. I will need to buy a pickup truck with a plow. I have never owned a truck and don’t know anything about it. Any recommendations about the year brand, horse power, 2 wheels versus 4 wheels suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am planning on buying a used truck. So far I have spent over $1800 just renting Trucks from Ryder for 8 days.

Here is the update on the building I bought. I called the county on Friday and was told they were filing papers for the deed to be recorded. The lady was not sure if the Title would be clean free of any liens. She did mention that the IRS lien and the county lien will be removed. I spoke to a real estate attorney who wanted a $5000 retainer and could not tell me what it will cost approximately to look into this matter further.

On a bright note I did buy a $70,000 phone system for the building at an online auction with 60 telephones for $350 plus 13 percent buyer’s premium. This phone system was functioning fine but the high school got rid of it as they had received a Government grant for a new system. The high Scholl paid a lot more to have it disconnected than I paid for the system.

Well I feel happy to have gotten an indirect Govt subsidy. Pork for me Yeah.

Comment by rosie
2010-12-19 10:32:46

Ford F 150 4×4 for snow plowing.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 11:05:25

Is that a $5,000 “true retainer” or just an advance against future billings? A true retainer means he gets to keep it and promises not to take on any clients that may be adverse parties to you. The advance against fees is just his method of ensuring you pay any eventual fees he charges - you get back what’s left over.

Comment by polly
2010-12-19 11:31:19

“and promises not to take on any clients that may be adverse parties to you”

Legal ethics require that even if all the attorney did was have an initial uncompensated discussion. You can’t talk to one side of a dispute and then represent the other side. And the boundaries of a “dispute” are so broad that it almost doesn’t matter what the conversation does not cover. If you talk to someone about a business transaction, you aren’t going to be able to represent their spouse in a divorce without getting your approval. The knowledge of their business dealings is enough to conflict you out.

Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 12:00:00

I guess I tried to shorten the discussion too far. A true retainer is to hold onto a lawyer even if you have NO legal issues at present. You are just locking him up in the future in case something comes up. That’s why he gets paid for doing no work.

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Comment by SUGuy
2010-12-19 11:41:27

I asked what was his hourly rate and he mentioned $200 and I was fine with that rate. Then I asked if it would take 25 hours just to examine and get the info. He said yes and that is why he wanted an upfront check for $5000. I sensed he was frothing at the mouth and the initial conversation or shall we say his pitch was what could have been done prior to the auction purchase. We do use one of the more prominent law firms in town and I trust their advice. The do charge a hefty hourly rate but will deliver and give advice not looking at their pockets. I think I will call them and consult. There is no retainer and will bill me monthly.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-12-19 12:14:41

I am planning on buying a used truck ??

Tundra 4 X 4……

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 13:03:54

Asking what kind of truck to buy is a little like saying “who’s the best baseball team?” You are going to get fanboy comments from all sides - Ford, GM, Toyota, Chrysler…..

Comment by scdave
2010-12-19 15:58:45

Yeah I guess I agree DennisN….I guess my experience with Toyota Trucks has been so favorable that I lean that way although I have had great success also with GM…

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 17:01:24

For a truck, you really need to research the year more than the model.

For snow plowing, 4×4 is the ONLY way to go.

Don’t forget to add weight to the truck bend. Bags of sand are handy for both weight traction and road grit as needed.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 17:03:22

Oh, and a “camper” shell for keeping the sand and other tools you’re going to need, dry.

Also, an extended cab. But you probably don’t need a crew cab.

 
 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2010-12-19 19:36:53

Which phone system/PBX? Lucent Definity?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 10:12:46

The news that interest rates are reverting towards historic norms should be welcome for retirees who depend heavily on interest-bearing CDs to fund their living expenses. Just don’t let your aging relatives’ investment advisers talk them into getting into long-term bond funds just before the guillotine blade drops.

For Whom the Bell Tolls
December 17, 2010 - 11:03am — europac admin
Peter Schiff

To stimulate after the bursting of the housing bubble (which itself resulted from the low interest rates used to juice the economy following the bursting of the dot-com bubble), the Fed lowered interest rates to practically zero. At that point, rates could go no lower. However, when that stimulus failed, the Fed decided to bring on the heavy artillery in the form of “quantitative easing,” or as it is known in the vernacular, “printing money to buy government debt.”

Lowering the federal funds rate, its traditional weapon, tends to make the most impact on short-duration debt. By its own words, the goal of quantitative easing (QE) was to lower long-term interest rates. It was hoped that this would achieve what low short-term rates had not: an increase in stock and real estate prices, a rise in household wealth, and consequently greater consumer spending, economic growth, and job creation.

However, the Fed’s plan backfired. The selling pressure on long-term bonds is overwhelming the Fed’s buying pressure. Spiking rates (which move inversely to price) are powerful evidence that the bond bubble has finally burst. The Fed threw everything but the kitchen sink at the bond market to force yields lower, yet they rose anyway. If bond prices failed to rise given such a Herculean effort to lift them up, there can be only one direction for them to go: down.

In true form, few on Wall Street hear the ringing. In a shocking display of rationalizing cognitive dissonance, some (such as Wharton Professor Jeremy Siegel in a WSJ op-ed) have even suggested that the spike in yields is proof that quantitative easing is working. Siegel heralded higher rates as indicative of economic resurgence, which supposedly was the Fed’s goal all along. In other words, QE2 worked so well, we skipped the lower rates and went directly to the higher rates that go with growth!

There is also a widespread belief that long-term rates will remain contained at historically low levels. Four percent is seen as the ceiling above which ten-year yields will not rise. I believe this ceiling will prove to be of the thinnest glass. Once yields easily break that level, they may quickly rise above five percent, where they will likely encounter some resistance, before heading significantly higher.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 10:28:52

“However, the Fed’s plan backfired. The selling pressure on long-term bonds is overwhelming the Fed’s buying pressure. Spiking rates (which move inversely to price) are powerful evidence that the bond bubble has finally burst.”

The part that Schiff seems to miss is that in principle, there is no technical limit on how much the Fed can print. How can the bond markets, which by nature have limited funds to work with, possibly overwhelm a (potentially) limitless source of QE-based liquifaction potential?

Comment by Professor Bear
 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-12-19 13:53:50

There is also a widespread belief that long-term rates will remain contained at historically low levels. Four percent is seen as the ceiling above which ten-year yields will not rise. I believe this ceiling will prove to be of the thinnest glass. Once yields easily break that level, they may quickly rise above five percent, where they will likely encounter some resistance, before heading significantly higher.’

who knows everyone guesses if the economy goes South again because of HIGHER Rates then rates will come down.

See Schiff debate Precthter on Youtube

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2010-12-19 10:16:28

More green shoots from Mesa, AZ:

Among the 5 C’s of Arizona - Cattle, Citrus, Climate, Copper and Cotton - Copper once again is a hot commodity.

At least in Mesa it is, a hot item on the black market, causing police and city officials to review legislation regulating scrap yard businesses in an effort to hold them more accountable in the ways they purchase wiring and metals with untraceable origins.

The theft of copper wiring - as well as other metals throughout the city - again is on the rise as thieves target boxes of lighting fixtures at parks and even streetlights because of the premium it can bring in bulk amounts - $1.50 to $3 a pound for various types of copper and 75 cents to $1.50 a pound for brass, according to information from the Mesa yard of Arizona Recycling Corp.

This year in Mesa, 24 miles of wiring have been stolen.

Thieves, who often are stealing the metals to support a drug habit, not only are taking a chance on being arrested and going to jail, they risk being electrocuted from exposed wiring often caused by their quick actions of ripping it from an electrical box or tearing it from the ground, city officials say. Thieves also have targeted water back-flow devices for their brass along east Mesa basins that purify and re-process water. When these components are ripped out, it can cause thousands of gallons of water to be released before they are shut off.

“These thieves are becoming more brazen,” said assistant Mesa police chief Mike Denney. “Wire thefts are going on all over the city. If a guy takes a whole spool of copper wire and sells it at a scrap yard, its origin is unidentifiable. If citizens see any suspicious activity in the neighborhood or people pulling wiring out of electrical boxes or streetlights, they need to call police. These people usually steal the wiring at night during a time when no one is around and city workers would not be repairing streetlights or working in parks.”

(East Valley Tribune)

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-12-19 10:53:23

Thieves who target munipal infrastructure, and owners of scrap metal yards who knowingly buy stolen metal, should be hanged. The sentences they get now are a joke, with no deterrent value at all.

Comment by Mike @Petco Park
2010-12-19 17:44:06

There is no such thing as a deterrent in a drug addicts mind. Legalize, regulate, and then setup mandatory drug treatment from the taxes of legal sales. Portugal did exactly this and 5 years in its working (click my URL above for Time Magazine link)

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 10:25:26

Apparently the fears that rising mortgage rates will result in lower housing prices is far overblown. If anything, a recovering economy is likely to push both interest rates and housing prices up over the next couple of years, due to rising demand for both houses and loanable funds as a natural consequence of economic recovery. So just relax, and for good measure, go out and buy a few investment properties in anticipation of the recovery!

* BY THE NUMBERS
* DECEMBER 17, 2010

Mortgage Rates Jump. Will House Prices Fall?

By JACK HOUGH

Borrowing money to buy a house just got more expensive. The average rate on a 30-year mortgage rose to 4.83%, Freddie Mac said Thursday. That’s an increase of about two-thirds of a percentage point in five weeks.

The rate increase means monthly payments on new mortgages will jump. Five weeks ago, a buyer with a 30-year loan would have committed to payments of $487 a month. Now it’s $526. That’s an 8% price difference – more than enough to give most shoppers pause.

Will costlier mortgages push already wobbly home prices lower? History offers some answers.

The recent rise in rates isn’t nearly the sharpest in Freddie Mac’s history. Over two years ended mid-1981, former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker raised the nation’s core interest rate, the Fed funds rate, from a target of about 11% to one of 20% in an effort to combat high inflation. As a result, 30-year mortgage rates marched from 11% in June 1979 to over 16% by April 1980. The recent 8% increase in monthly payments over five weeks has nothing on the record five-week jump: more than 21% over the period ended March 28, 1980. Monthly payments per $100,000 soared to $1,347 from $1,109.

The effect on house prices? They rose more than 15% from 1979 to 1981.

Comment by oxide
2010-12-19 12:06:01

Rising interest rates makes housing prices go UP? Inflation?

Price inflation won’t help if there is no matching wage inflation.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 12:49:48

“Rising interest rates makes housing prices go UP? Inflation?”

That’s what the article said. It sounds like the best remedy for the moribund housing market might be for the Fed to step away from the QE2 bazooka and let market forces drive long-term rates up to a level that draws in private sources of loanable funds to the private mortgage lending sector. Higher rates are what is needed to reliquify lending, which in turn will lead to higher housing prices (at least according to the WSJ writer ;-) ).

Comment by cactus
2010-12-19 14:01:24

draws in private sources of loanable funds to the private mortgage lending sector. ”

These private lenders better have a good way to collect
in light of what is going on right now with forclousures.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 17:12:35

So long as the principle on their mortgages is federally guaranteed, I don’t see how the lenders face any risk of default. Am I missing something?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 10:40:48

Considering all the assurances about the low-inflation environment we enjoy, it is truly remarkable how many pundits smell high inflation on the horizon.

* CREDIT MARKETS
* DECEMBER 19, 2010, 10:43 A.M. ET

Economic Optimism in Treasury Yield Curve

By MIN ZENG

NEW YORK—A closely watched gauge in the Treasury-bond market is signaling the U.S. economy may gain more traction.

The spread between shorter- and longer-maturity U.S. government-bond yields has widened to near a record high as longer-dated yields rise on expectations that inflation pressures will revive.

It tells you the economy is getting better and some seeds could be planted for inflation due to the Federal Reserve’s monetary stimulus,” said Richard Schlanger, who helps manage about $20 billion in fixed-income assets at Pioneer Investments in Boston.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:08:18

Which economy? Wall St’s or Main St’s?

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-12-19 10:58:26

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/18/AR2010121803396.html

One of the very few Republicans who does not slavishly adhere to Wall Street’s dictates, Daryl Issa, is about to be elevated to a position where he might actually start demanding and getting accountability for the systemic frauds perpetrated by the likes of Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, and their TBTF bankster masters.

 
Comment by Muggy
2010-12-19 11:03:04

Wow, two houses just turned over on my block. This is crazy. I have only been here since July 1st, and I am now a long-timer! WTF. One couple moved out yesterday and another couple is moving in right now. The other house… they just moved, no goodbyes, nothing, just moving trucks and out.

It’s my family, the old lady, and the crazy Cuban guy who waters his lawn in various configurations of the following:

1. penny loafers
2. crocs
3. bath robe
4. speedo

And still surrounded by abandoned homes…

Comment by polly
2010-12-19 11:34:25

Penny loafers and a speedo could be either horrific or very interesting.

Comment by Muggy
2010-12-19 15:22:56

It’s horrifying.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-12-19 16:01:45

There have been a couple homes around here where the truck’s out front but the for sale sign was never out. One empty home went up for sale about a month after the “escape”. I also mentioned further up thread about the number of listings w/unpaid school taxes I’ve been running into. Is this the 99ers /shadow inventory errupting to the surface?

 
Comment by Muggy
2010-12-19 17:02:12

“the old lady”

The old lady in my new ‘hood is way cooler than the old lady in my old ‘hood.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-12-19 11:16:48

BBC
Bangladesh investors riot over stock market fall

Small investors stage street protests in Dhaka, Bangladesh, on Sunday after the stock market’s steepest fall in a single day Ordinary Bangladeshis have been tempted into the stock market by higher returns than banks

Hundreds of angry investors have staged protests in the Bangladeshi capital, Dhaka, after the stock exchange saw its steepest ever fall in a day.

Reports said they threw bricks at police, marched in the streets shouting slogans, and staged a sit-down protest.

Shares in the stock exchange suffered large falls within hours of opening on Sunday as panicked investors went on a selling spree.

The index ended the day down by 552 points or 6.72%.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 11:27:24

The image of Bangladesh investors rioting over a stock market selloff tickles my funny bone. Did these people think stock market returns were guaranteed or something?

Good thing this could never happen here in Amerikuh.

Protests rock Bangladesh as shares plunge
December 19, 2010 - 9:49PM
AFP

Hundreds of investors went on the rampage in the commercial heart of the Bangladeshi capital Dhaka after the stock exchange suffered its steepest ever fall.

The benchmark DSE general index (DGEN) lost 552 points or 6.72 per cent by the close of trade on Sunday as panic gripped investors following last week’s policy rate hike by the central bank and a series of recent volatile market swings.

Local police chief Tofazzal Hossain said at least 500 investors hurled bricks at law enforcement officers near the Dhaka Stock Exchange and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) offices.
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“They chanted slogans against the government and the regulators, and marched through the busy roads in the Motijheel Commercial area, halting traffic. They also staged a sit-in at the SEC building,” he said.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-12-19 12:41:17

It seems to be a universal human trait that, when you get down to the core, people are just plain stupid.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:00:35

‘500-point fall only normal’
Mon, Dec 20th, 2010 1:00 am BdST

Dhaka, Dec 19 (bdnews24.com) — A former head of the capital market regulator finds that a 550-point fall was normal.

The former chairman of Securities and Exchange Commission said he had held for a long time that the market was overvalued and expected the volatility to calm down after December.

AB Mirza Azizul Islam, also a former finance adviser of the last military-installed interim regime, made the observations in a statement issued on Sunday when the stocks saw a record fall of 551 points sparking angry protests on the streets.

This fall comes within a week of another sharp fall of 285 points on Dec 13.

Azizul Islam told bdnews24.com on Sunday the current share market looks overvalued to him. “I and the SEC chairman, the DSE and CSE presidents and market analysts have been saying for quite some time that the market is overvalued.”

“An 8500-point index is nowhere near normal for this market. It should be within 6000 to 6500.”

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:11:55

“Ordinary Bangladeshis have been tempted into the stock market by higher returns than banks”

Ah. Now we see that systemically screwing the average wage earner by destroying savings and then herding them into the stock market is a common practice around the world.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2010-12-19 23:48:43

“Bangladesh”

Have you seen this place? I would think people would riot for the mere fact that they have to live there.

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2010-12-19 11:42:26

What’s next for minimalist houses? How about a subdivision of tiny houses in Eastern Oregon?

NORTH POWDER — Ex-logger and gold miner Rich Daniels was making his living building storage sheds when his customers began commenting, “If this shed was bigger, I could live in it.” That got Daniels to thinking.

“So I made a cabin on wheels,” he said. He’s built and sold more than 100 minimalist homes — some that can be towed behind a pickup — over the past five years.

Now the 50-year-old builder has come up with an idea that may prove both brilliant and quixotic: a subdivision for 50 to 100 pint-sized homes geared to folks hurt by the real estate bust, jobless or on fixed incomes. Increasingly, he’s approached by people desperate to cut their living expenses, he said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2010/12/whats_next_for_minimalist_houses_how_about_a_subdivision_in_eastern_oregon.html

Comment by oxide
2010-12-19 12:52:47

I’ve been watching the Small House Movement. Unfortunately, they go to extremes by living in 150 sq ft or less. IMO you need at least 500 sq ft to maintain basic sanitation. And it’s prohibitively expensive. This guy’s house cost $42K, without the land. In less-expensive areas and after this bubble pops, I should be able to buy a small used house on .2 acre for $100K or so, a much better deal. The original Levittown homes were 2-bed 900 (?) sq ft or so, which IMO is a good size for a downsized couple.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:14:21

Tiny houses are dumb. Period.

Glad he’s making money, but it’s just a fad or niche market at best.

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-12-19 19:32:07

They look like fancy trailers. But I’m sure they’re much more hip than mobile homes..

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 11:44:53

Is it common knowledge that 8 to 13 million foreclosures are expected by 2012?

I have a word to the financially prudent prospective home buyers out there in blog land: DON’T — BUY — YET!!!!

Dec. 14, 2010, 11:53 a.m. EST
Mortgage help falls far short, panel says
Treasury likely to use only $4 billion on mortgage modifications
By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — A $30 billion Obama administration program set up to help troubled homeowners modify mortgages has failed to help the vast majority of homeowners facing foreclosure, a congressional watchdog said Tuesday.

Specifically, the program is expected to prevent roughly 800,000 foreclosures — significantly less than the 3 to 4 million foreclosures that the White House aimed to stop, and vastly fewer than the 8 to 13 million foreclosures expected by 2012, the Congressional Oversight Panel for the government’s much-maligned $700 billion bailout package said in a report about foreclosures.

Treasury has tweaked its main foreclosure prevention effort, the Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP), but the changes have not resolved the panel’s core concerns,” the panel said.

Comment by oxide
2010-12-19 12:11:40

Bear, I have a question: In my area Where the Jobs Are, there are thousands of condos but very little good SFH. And I’m picky. It would take me quite a while to find something I would like, and I don’t want to wait until too far into the upswing. What do you think is that longest one should wait to buy?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 13:00:40

We all have to play it by ear, of course, but in case the early 1990s offers any hints, here is a rough timeline (and I am inserting the analogous dates for the current episode in parentheses):

1989 (2006) National U.S. housing market peak
July 1990 (December 2007) NBER’s official date recession begins
March 1991 (June 2009) NBER’s official date recession ends
8 months (18 months) Duration of recession
1996 (2015*) housing market bottoms out
5 years (????) time between end of recession and housing bottom

* Based on applying the timing from the end of the early 1990’s recession to the mid-1990s housing trough to the current episode

???? = since the current recession was much longer than the early-1990s recession, and the housing boom and bust much larger, the actual time to the bottom may be much longer than five years this time around. And there are expected to be 8 to 13 million foreclosures by 2012, according to the Congressional Report posted elsewhere on this thread.

IN SHORT, THERE IS NO URGENT NEED TO RUSH INTO THE HOUSING MARKET, AS BETTER PROSPECTS LIE AHEAD OVER THE NEXT DECADE.

P.S. Apologies for any inaccuracy in some of the dates which I threw out off the top of my head…

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 13:05:45

P.S. How soon you get into the market depends in part on whether you are a “how-much-a-month” buyer or a “networth manager.” The first category of buyers only cares about their monthly payment, and is not concerned about the risk of catching a falling knife. The second category tries to avoid catching falling knives in order to optimize their household’s long term financial well-being.

If you only care about monthly payments, then by all means, call a Used Home Seller today in order to get out there and buy something as soon as possible.

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Comment by oxide
2010-12-19 13:16:59

Thank you, Bear. :-) Also, another major difference is that the economy was humming along VERY well in 1996 so there were a lot of people who had real jobs and real income to buy. We are entering a period of few jobs, less real income, and 5-10 years of demand that has already been pulled forward.

In other words, I could wait 5-10 years for the perfect house, and STILL not be too late.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-12-19 14:36:11

“We are entering a period of few jobs, less real income, and 5-10 years of demand that has already been pulled forward.”

A period of a cronic shortgage of ready cash. Those who have cash get to buy on the cheap from those who don’t have cash.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 15:49:03

“…the economy was humming along VERY well in 1996 so there were a lot of people who had real jobs and real income to buy…”

That’s another lens through which to view future prospects for the housing market. The period from the official end of recession in 1991 through year-end 1994 was one of great economic weakness, similar to the one we are currently enduring. Things were not really cooking again until around 1996 — just around the time the housing market hit bottom — and there was plenty of low-priced inventory around for anyone looking to buy at that point.

Similar timing this go-round would suggest 2010-2012 as a period of lingering economic weakness, 2013-2015 as a period of growing economic strength and resurgent home sales demand. But the return of buyers will have a further effect of locking in comps at post-bubble levels; further, the much larger and longer bubble buildup in prices may take much longer to deflate than the relatively smaller price bubble preceding the early-1990s housing bust.

Some question marks in my scenario are as follows:

1) Will the Fed continue its stealth policy of propping up home prices going forward, or will they have bigger fish to fry which will outweigh this priority?

2) Will new oversight by the likes of Ron Paul and others in new positions of financial oversight make it more difficult for the Fed to engage in market-distorting interventions, such as housing price “stabilization” (aka “bubble reflation”)?

3) Will the bond market vigilantes override the Fed’s efforts to suppress long-term interest rates?

4) Which force will dominate housing prices over the next five years: an influx of new qualified buyers with jobs, or rising interest rates coupled with comp price discovery?

5) How will the estimated 8-13 million foreclosures by 2012 enter the supply side of the housing market?

 
 
 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-12-19 13:07:32

You can make the case that the residential mortgage market is going to be something to stay away from until 2020.

The residential housing market was going to be screwed, even before the rest of the economy took a big dump. Currently, jobs and wages are falling quicker than house prices, and there’s nothing visible on the horizon to arrest that trend.

The good news is that if you start saving now, you might be able to buy a house with the petty cash fund around 2018 or so.

The big question is where to buy. The US Government and OPEC seem hell-bent on doubling the cost of owning a car. Proximity to whatever jobs are available is going to start being important.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:21:35

WHERE to buy IS the question. The biggest factor being jobs. And not just jobs, but jobs that pay a living wage. $14hr or less isn’t going to support big ticket markets like houses or cars or appliances.

And since there has been nothing but instability and wage freezes and cuts for millions for the last 30 years, I can’t see buying anywhere anytime in the future until one is retired. And even then, if your area takes a big economic dump, you’re in trouble.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 11:54:14

Congressional Oversight Panel
December 14,2010

DECEMBER OVERSIGHT REPORT*
A Review of Treasury’s Foreclosure Prevention Programs

Executive Summary*

In April 2010, in its most recent report on Treasury’s foreclosure prevention programs, the Panel raised serious concerns about the timeliness, accountability, and sustainability of Treasury‟s efforts. As the Panel noted at the time, “It now seems clear that Treasury’s programs, even when they are fully operational, will not reach the overwhelming majority of homeowners in trouble…. Treasury is still struggling to get its foreclosure programs off the ground as the crisis continues unabated.”

In the intervening eight months, Treasury has tweaked its main foreclosure prevention effort, the Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP), but the changes have not resolved the Panel’s core concerns. The Panel now estimates that, if current trends hold, HAMP will prevent only 700,000 to 800,000 foreclosures – far fewer than the 3 to 4 million foreclosures that Treasury initially aimed to stop, and vastly fewer than the 8 to 13 million foreclosures expected by 2012. Because Treasury’s authority to restructure HAMP ended on October 3, 2010, the program’s prospects are unlikely to improve substantially in the future.

In some regards, the program’s failure to make a dent in the foreclosure crisis may seem surprising. HAMP’s premise was straightforward: Because the foreclosure process allows lenders to recover only a small fraction of the value of a mortgage loan, lenders should generally prefer to avoid foreclosure by voluntarily reducing a borrower’s monthly payments to affordable levels. Through HAMP, Treasury attempted to sweeten this deal by offering incentive payments to all parties to a mortgage loan modification. Yet despite the apparent strength of HAMP’s economic logic, the program has failed to help the vast majority of homeowners facing foreclosure.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-12-19 12:54:48

Happened to catch “Close to Home” on PBS “Frontline” last night. Originally aired in October 2009.

A chronicle of how the economy is affecting residents on the Upper East Side of NYC.

I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.

-”It was a choice between fixing my Porsche, or paying for medical insurance”

-Told the story of a couple with a copy shop, with $200K of credit card debt trying to keep the place running.

-”This is the Upper East Side. This isn’t supposed to happen here….”

I’ve always felt that some in SoCal, and everyone in NYC and western Connnecticut live in an alternate dimension, vs. the schlubs out here in Flyover. This show did nothing to change my thinking.

Comment by combotechie
2010-12-19 14:15:36

“It was a choice between fixing my Porche, or paying for medical insurance.”

So here she is, spending big bucks at a high-end beauty shop complaining about not having enough money to meet expenses.

What a dummy.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-12-19 15:06:55

I could identify with some of the old (over 40 is “old” now) WASP guys……notice that the attendees of ALL the various “workshops/counseling sessions” were all 50 something white guys.

Most were in white collar “overhead” jobs……HR, accounting, etc. Some were talking about going back and getting an MBA. Haven’t heard anyone say that there is a shortage of MBAs.

Felt a little better about my own situation. I’m not functionally obsolete, I’m current on the latest and greatest stuff in my business. It’s just that the demand/flight hours have dropped 40% or more since 2007-08.

From my own personal perspective, it looks like 2011 is going to be a lot better year than 2010……but OTOH, talk is cheap.

As one of the pilot’s says, “I’ll believe it when it shows up on the ramp……” Most of the guys that have been in my line of work for a while have developed good BS Detectors.

 
 
Comment by rms
2010-12-19 15:25:38

“…with $200K of credit card debt…”

This is typical credit card debt for dual income, upper middle-class families from Miami, FL and San Diego, CA before they auger-in. These are frequently government manager-level people too, making minimum payments with money that used to go toward the under-water mortgage.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:23:42

“I’ve always felt that some in SoCal, and everyone in NYC and western Connnecticut live in an alternate dimension, vs. the schlubs out here in Flyover.”

Because they do.

 
 
Comment by comrade mike
2010-12-19 13:18:56

North Carolina is planning on laying off 5000 to 6000 teachers at the end of the academic year. NC has a massive budget problem.

Comment by Muggy
2010-12-19 14:10:12

It’s stories like this that make me think twice about switching jobs. My wife and I both have tenure and 5 years of bodies behind us — we’re in the sweet spot so to speak — but hate living in Florida.

We’d love to get out of here, but being unemployed in a place we like would be worse than comfortably employed in a place we can deal with.

Comment by exeter
2010-12-19 16:16:54

“but hate living in Florida.”

I still don’t understand you Muggy.

Comment by Muggy
2010-12-19 18:01:18

“I still don’t understand you Muggy.”

Lol. I’ll break it down for you (top three)

Top Three Reasons I like FL
1. Flora & fauna
2. food
3. ?

Top Three Reasons I Dislike FL
1. K12 School systems
2. Traffic & scale of physical environment (dense, but far apart)
3. Crime and crazy mofos

Overall living in FL causes me anxiety, therefore I dislike it. Since you are familiar with rural upstate NY, you can understand what I am used to. Florida is very different than that, and not in ways that I have been successful in embracing.

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Comment by exeter
2010-12-19 19:05:24

Shouldn’t weather be in your top 3 favorites?

I’ve heard the schools in FL bring the major suckage but it seems NY’s high costs and $hitty weather makes FL more desirable. You live there so you’d know better than I. Also I’ve heard how bad the crime is.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:40:25

“We’d love to get out of here, but being unemployed in a place we like would be worse than comfortably employed in a place we can deal with.”

How about Caleeforneea?

Comment by Muggy
2010-12-19 17:05:14

“How about Caleeforneea?”

Isn’t the teacher scene there just as dire? Florida has been aggressive with cuts so truly the RIF are less painful.

From my region in upstate NY, you either end up in: NC, NYC, Boston, FL, or L.A./So. Cal, so I do have several friends out there.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-12-19 14:24:17

Which means the salaries for 5000 to 6000 teachers go pooof.

Welcome to the world of deflation, a world where cash is king.

Comment by mariner22
2010-12-19 17:38:05

Combotechie - where is this magical deflation in most things that matter to housing bubble blog fans?

Bought Salmon on Friday at Costco for $8.99 a pound - I swear it was $7.99 a pound last month and had been $5.99 a pound for years.

Gasoline at Costco (regular unleaded) is now over $3.00.

Karl Denninger is musing today on how much the price of a ream of paper has gone up.

Bought milk lately? Sugar? Orange Juice? Ice Cream may be holding its price (if you forget about the fact that a half gallon carton is now sold as 1.5 quarts).

And don’t get me started about health insurance….

I’m not sure how much shopping you do, but I sure don’t see much deflation unless you are looking for luxury condos or Mcmansions!

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:29:53

I keep asking the same thing.

I don’t know if combo was alive or of working age in the 1970s, but stagflation was real and devastating.

The 1970s proved that just because you have high unemployment, doesn’t mean prices have to go down and in fact, can go up. It also utterly destroyed (at least for me) the concept of inflation having ANYTHING to do with wages.

Just like now.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-12-19 15:11:19

Do you think it will really happen or will Uncle Dollar Printer come to the rescue again? NYs MSM has had all sorts of chilling tales in articles for at least the last 2 years but nothing ever happens. I think stirringup public fear provides some nice leverage for the political negotiations. In the end the powerful groups always receive their funding.

It’s not that I want to throw teachers to the curb. It’s just that the ability to protect the status quo sure is unevenly applied across different labor groups. Can’t say I’m a fan of some never cutting back whatsoever while others go devestated.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-12-19 16:13:16

I owe the town of North Syracuse, and perhaps a few other towns, an apology:

“The North Syracuse School District cut 102 positions this year. It packed more kids into fewer classrooms, cut early elementary music classes in half and eliminated all but two freshman sports programs.

And, still, it increased property taxes 3.5 percent.”

quoted from: “Andrew Cuomo’s property tax cap: Would it help or hurt?’

Syracuse.com

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-12-19 15:19:15

Saw a few more sold signs hanging on homes this week. Looks like the must buy now while interest rates are low sheep have been lured off the fence w/bond market tremors. Gheesh. Some of these houses are not cheap. Can’t wait to see them all back on the market in 5 years as the inflation moves to strangle the family budget.

You know the people tried to listen to the words of caution but their fatal flaw was they didn’t seek to do the hard work to understand the big picture. In the end, they were really still just waiting for someone else to tell them what to do.

Sad, really sad. Hey honey, where’s that holiday drink you promised me?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 15:50:40

The Financial Times
Finance: A sparser future
By Francesco Guerrera, Justin Baer and Patrick Jenkins
Published: December 19 2010 18:43 | Last updated: December 19 2010 18:43

Banks
The new Manhattan headquarters of Goldman Sachs. Legislation now bans banks from the type of proprietary investments that used to bring in up to 10 per cent of profits

…the investment banking landscape that emerged from the most devastating financial turmoil in generations looks dramatically different from the one that preceded it.

Tough new rules, coupled with tightened regulatory scrutiny and increased mistrust on the part of investors, are driving radical changes in business models and behaviour. The masters of the financial universe are scrambling to find new ways of making money against a regulatory and economic backdrop that prevents them from placing the high-risk, high-reward bets of years gone by.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:34:33

They might try, I dunno, actually investing in PHYSICAL assets and processes instead of more paper. Thus helping to create jobs for others besides just those with a college degree.

Because if they think are having trouble now, just wait until our consumer economy totality collapses from lack of… consumers.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 15:56:14

The Financial Times
Beware the stings in the ‘tail risks’
By James Mackintosh
Published: December 17 2010 19:41 | Last updated: December 17 2010 20:04

If Santa and his elves leave a large sack of money under the Christmas tree, it is less obvious than at almost any time in living memory how to invest it.

The happy consensus of the past 30 years that equities were the place to be has broken down after a decade of losses.

Equally, the rush into supposedly safe government bonds which followed the 2008 crisis risks turning into a rout as bond yields soar. Gold looks expensive, even to many who think it should be a store of value. To others it belongs with frankincense and myrrh in history, not in a portfolio.

Yet, the key to asset allocation is one’s view of the world.

Investors, as opposed to speculators, face a tough call. Equities do not look like a good long-term bet, given debt levels; many commodities are at all-time highs; gold is inherently speculative; and bond yields may go up a lot further before they eventually come down again.

Governments are trying to force people out of cash and into more productive assets. They have created an environment hostile to long-term investment in the process.

Comment by combotechie
2010-12-19 16:19:17

“Governments are trying to force people out of cash and into more productive assets.”

Given the recent track record of governmental actions it seems it might be best to do the opposite of what governments are trying to get individuals to do.

This doesn’t mean everyone else shouldn’t do what the government wants with their money, only individuals who want to survive should not do what the government wants. The others should follow the government’s lead; It is in the collective best interest that they be convinced to do so.

Comment by rms
2010-12-19 20:03:26

“Given the recent track record of governmental actions it seems it might be best to do the opposite of what governments are trying to get individuals to do.”

+1 I wouldn’t do anything our financial criminals suggest.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-12-19 16:10:20

Police called as hundreds turned away from Auburn holiday giveway

Organizer Sean Wrench had posted fliers about the event at local food pantries. Last year, the event was held at the Knights of Columbus and had light attendance, Colvin said.

This year, organizers expected 300 to show up. They shut the ballroom doors after the first 1,000 people, on the advice of city code enforcement.

Colvin said everyone had the best of intentions, but the crowd overwhelmed them. There were about 30 volunteers with Forsaken Generation, but 15 of the hotel’s staff had to stop what they were doing and pitch in.

The event soon ran out of food, so the hotel cooked up pasta, pastries and rolls. Workers bought $400 in pizza from Little Caesars.

Another employee went to store to buy more girls’ toys. No child who made it into the ballroom was turned away without a toy, Colvin said.

The event was scheduled for noon to 4 p.m. People started lining up at 11 a.m. and the police were called to help with the crowds at 1 p.m., Colvin said.

(syracuse.com)

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:38:00

Food pantries all over the country have been reporting incredibly high increased demand all this year.

And despite the last 2 recent bubbles, demand has been steadily increasing for 2 decades.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:17:47

($174,000/$286,500 - 1)*100 = -39.3% — Nice haircut!

Posted on Sun, Dec. 19, 2010
Banks’ resales of homes illustrate price drop
By Harold Brubaker

Inquirer Staff Writer

When Tammy Bucci bought a three-bedroom house in Abington this year for $174,000 from a lender that had foreclosed on the property, she knew the previous owner had paid $286,500 in 2006.

I got an awesome deal. The house is gorgeous,” said Bucci, who had not been seeking a foreclosure bargain. “I’m a single mom with three kids. I was just looking for something inexpensive,” she said.

Bucci’s house, with its new kitchen paid for by HSBC Mortgage Services, was one of 41 Montgomery County houses sold by lenders and other financial institutions - mostly after foreclosure - in September, based on when the deed was recorded.

The 39 percent decline in the price of Bucci’s house seems extreme for a region with a relatively mild 6 percent drop in average home prices since the 2007 peak.

But an Inquirer analysis of September’s sales of residential real estate in Montgomery County by financial institutions showed that prices fell an average of 29 percent if the previous sale occurred in 2003 or later, when price gains started accelerating.

By contrast, banks - often willing to take a discount when a foreclosed home is vacant - sold properties for an average of 25 percent more than the previous price if the earlier sale occurred before 2003, deeds showed.

On 36 foreclosed properties, banks lost 12 percent compared with the amount of principal owed when foreclosure was filed, according to court documents.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:23:31

Are any readers here familiar with the tale of how Sir Isaac Newton sold his shares in the South Sea Bubble ahead of its collapse, only to lose his shirt later by catching himself a falling knife in the dead cat bounce phase?

Just wondering…

* The Wall Street Journal
* NY REAL ESTATE RESIDENTIAL
* DECEMBER 18, 2010

Housing Hope From ‘Dr. Doom’

By CRAIG KARMIN

Nouriel Roubini, the New York economist whose warnings of a housing collapse earned him the nickname “Dr. Doom,” may be feeling better about the market these days. He just plunked down $5.5 million for an East Village penthouse loft, public records show.

Mr. Roubini’s purchase price was down about 25% from the peak asking price in September 2008, according to StreetEasy.com.

The three-bedroom triplex just purchased in the East Village by Nouriel Roubini features a cantilevered steel staircase, seen above in the rear.

The apartment was put up for sale in 2006, and the listing price was increased to $7.35 million just days after Lehman Brothers’ demise exacerbated the financial crisis.

Mr. Roubini, who teaches at New York University, warned in 2006 that overstretched borrowers defaulting on their mortgage loans would unleash a housing bust and deep recession.

His own credit status appears sound. Mr. Roubini took out a $3 million mortgage for his new East Village property, and earlier this year he borrowed another $600,000 against his TriBeCa loft, according to public records.

Mr. Roubini declined to comment. The listing broker, Richard Orenstein of Halstead Property, also declined to comment.

Mr. Roubini’s personal real-estate activity doesn’t necessarily means he thinks the U.S. economy is in the clear. He recently told The Wall Street Journal that economic growth was close to “stall speed,” too slow to keep unemployment from rising and housing prices from falling further. He put the chance of the U.S. slipping back into recession at 40%.

Still, real-estate people in New York were quick to seize on his purchase as a healthy sign for the local property market.

Even the most bearish think our market has nowhere to go but up,” said Frederick Peters, president of Warburg Realty Partners.

Dr. Doom is a little late to catch the bottom, but there’s still plenty of upside at this point.”

CLICK!

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:42:14

Oh I just bet he loves the spin of this article.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:28:24

Silicon Valley home prices are where San Diego’s median was back in 2005. We know a couple in Richmond who bought a home at this price range in our old ‘hood. The guy commuted all the way from Richmond down to Silly Valley. If they had been patient, they could be buying a home close to work now, instead of sitting in an underwater mortgage in a much less desirable locale.

Silicon Valley real estate: House sales, median prices down in November
By Frank Michael Russell
frussell@mercurynews.com
Posted: 12/16/2010 10:02:36 AM PST
Updated: 12/16/2010 10:02:37 AM PST

Silicon Valley’s real estate market remained in a slump in November, with the number of sales and the median price of a single-family house in Santa Clara County both down year over year.

The median price of a house that changed hands in the valley was $510,000, down 7.3 percent from November 2009, San Diego real estate information firm MDA DataQuick reported today. The number of sales dropped 5.2 percent.

Sales were flat from the month before throughout the Bay Area, “in part because of lackluster sales in higher-cost areas,” DataQuick reported.

“Clearly, Bay Area buyers and sellers who can wait this market out are doing just that,” DataQuick President John Walsh said in a statement. “And if you’re buying or selling in the upper half of the market, it’s self-evident that you’re more able to put your move on hold.”

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:43:55

Or maybe it’s evident that there is only so big a market for $500,000 plus homes?

Nah. Couldn’t be.

Comment by DennisN
2010-12-19 19:48:01

A $500K house in Silicon Valley is a shack. I got $670K for my 1,000 square foot stucco box, built in 1959, back in May 2006. For the mathematically challenged among us, that’s $670/sq. ft.

Prices haven’t changed that much there, have they? :lol:

Zillow still claims my old house is worth $529K. That can’t be an inflated estimate, now can it? :roll:

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:29:52

Area home sales mark a dreary November
By Dale Kasler
dkasler@sacbee.com The Sacramento Bee
Published: Friday, Dec. 17, 2010 - 12:00 am | Page 6B

Home sales in greater Sacramento continued to lag in November.

Sales volume fell by 10 percent in the eight-county area compared with a year ago, market researcher MDA DataQuick reported Thursday.

Prices fell in practically every county in the region, with Sacramento County’s median price slipping 1.1 percent, to $175,000.

November’s results followed the pattern of the past six months. The market had been slowly regaining its health until June, when federal tax credits for homebuyers expired and the pace of economic recovery faltered.

Since then, home sales have tailed off, although not as sharply as during the worst of the market crash.

Experts said it’s not clear when conditions will turn around.

Here we are, now in December, and we’re working through what I hope is the bottom of the market,” said Kris Vogt, president of the regional office at Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:45:18

Keep hoping. And do us all a favor and hold your breath as well. :lol:

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:31:16

Mortgage rates and housing starts rise, prices fall.
Posted by Jim Buchta
Last update: December 16, 2010 - 11:10 AM

Heads must be spinning in the data world today, three reports released this morning offer a glimpse into the winter housing market:

* Housing starts rose 3.9 percent in November, but gains could be influenced by the seasonal adjustment process, accoding to the Department of Commerce. Single-family permits are running below starts, which continues to suggest a weak outlook.

* CoreLogic’s October Home Price Index (HPI) shows that home prices in the U.S. declined for the third month in a row. It said that home prices, including distressed sales, declined by 3.93 percent in October 2010 compared to October 2009 and declined by 2.43 percent in September 2010 compared to September 2009. Excluding distressed sales, year-over-year prices declined by 1.5 percent in October 2010 compared to October 2009.

In the Twin Cities metro area home prices, including distressed sales, declined by -3.62 percent in October 2010 compared to October 2009. Excluding distressed transactions, year-over-year HPI for October is -3.72 percent.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:43:13

If I were a prospective California home buyer, I would either wait until the news of falling prices is history, or else until the next housing market stimulus giveaway is announced some time next year.

Published: Dec. 16, 2010
Updated: 11:02 a.m.
1st dip in Calif. home prices in 10 months
By JON LANSNER
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

California home prices — including distressed sales — were falling at 0.89 percent annual rate in October, the first year-over-year decline in CoreLogic’s database for the state’s values since December 2009.

According to the CoreLogic price indexes, national home prices declined by 3.93 percent in October vs. a year ago. From a peak in April 2006 to October, national prices are off 30.2 percent.

Mark Fleming, chief economist for CoreLogic: “We are continuing to see the weakness in home prices without artificial government support in the form of tax credits. The stubborn unemployment levels and seasonality are also coming into play. When you combine these factors with high shadow and visible inventories, the prospect for a housing recovery in early 2011 is fading.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:46:33

Seattle-area home price drops among nation’s biggest

Seattle-area home prices were down 7.2 percent in October from a year earlier, putting the area 39th out of 45 areas nationwide, according to a new report.

Nationwide, prices were down 3.9 percent from a year earlier, according to the CoreLogic Home Price Index.

“We are continuing to see the weakness in home prices without artificial government support in the form of tax credits,” CoreLogic Chief Economist Mark Fleming said in a news release. “The stubborn unemployment levels and seasonality are also coming into play. When you combine these factors with high shadow and visible inventories, the prospect for a housing recovery in early 2011 is fading.”

The decline in King and Snohomish counties was larger than the 5.4 percent drop in September and the biggest since December (8.9 percent). Nationwide changes ranged from an increase of 3.3 percent in the Houston area to an 11.2 percent drop in Jacksonville.

Washington state saw prices drop 6.8 percent, after a 5 percent decline in September. Washington ranked 45th among states and Washington, D.C.

Changes ranged from an increase of 4.6 percent in North Dakota to a 15.1 percent decline in Idaho.

Comment by MissedApproachMN
2010-12-19 21:20:01

4.6% Increase in ND!- that nice Anderson family in Grand Forks must have sold their $100K Rambler for $104,600. Good for them! (Hey, its easy to skew the numbers when the entire state contains fewer folks than some suburbs in CA.) Go Fighting Sioux!

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-12-19 23:02:56

Wow, and they have a more diverse economy than ours in Portland. Keep ‘em coming!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:48:48

Home prices decline for 3 months in a row
CoreLogic: Prospect for 2011 recovery fades
By Inman News, Thursday, December 16, 2010.

October home prices fell for the third straight month, according to an index maintained by mortgage data aggregator CoreLogic.

The 3.93 percent year-over-year decline in the CoreLogic Home Price Index was significantly greater than the 2.43 percent slip registered in September, and left home prices down 30.2 percent from their April 2006 peak.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:50:04

Is all real estate still local anymore?

Birmingham home prices fall again
Birmingham Business Journal - by Lauren B. Cooper , Staff
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 12:13pm CST

Birmingham area home prices recorded another year-over-year drop in October according to a report from CoreLogic.

The research firm said home prices in the metro area, including distressed sales, fell 11.3 percent, compared to October of last year.

Excluding distressed sales, October home prices in the area fell by nearly 5 percent, said a news release.

Statewide, home prices fell 9.3 percent with the sale of distressed properties and by a fraction of a percent without distressed properties. And nationally, prices dropped by nearly 4 percent including distressed and by 1.5 percent excluding distressed.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:53:23

I can’t remember the news that Alabama was a housing bubble ground zero, can you?

Alabama home prices fall nearly 10 percent, according to report
Published: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 1:34 PM Updated: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 1:34 PM
Press-Register staff By Press-Register staff

A new report says prices for single-family homes in Alabama were nearly 10 percent lower this past October compared to October of 2009.

The survey by California-based CoreLogic said Alabama was second in the nation for home price decline, behind Idaho. However, when distressed properties were excluded from the mix, the rate of decline was only .07 percent.

We are continuing to see the weakness in home prices without artificial government support in the form of tax credits. The stubborn unemployment levels and seasonality are also coming into play,” said Mark Fleming, chief economist for CoreLogic, in a statement. “When you combine these factors with high shadow and visible inventories, the prospect for a housing recovery in early 2011 is fading.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 16:56:20

I know how to fix this problem in a hurry: Mandatory prison sentences for the banksters who are responsible for sending out wrongful foreclosure notices.

Article published December 19, 2010
Fighting wrongful foreclosure uphill battle
ASSOCIATED PRESS

Christopher Marconi was in the shower when he heard banging on his door. By the time he grabbed a towel and hustled to his front step, a U.S. marshal’s sedan was peeling out of his driveway. Nailed to the front door was a foreclosure summons from Wells Fargo, naming him as a defendant. But the notice was for a house Mr. Marconi had never seen — on a mortgage he never had.

Tom Williams was in his kitchen opening the mail when he unsealed a letter from GMAC. It informed him that the bank would confiscate his house unless he immediately paid off his mortgage balance of $276,000. But Mr. Williams had never missed a mortgage payment. And his loan wasn’t due to mature until 2032.

Warren Nyerges opened his front door and found a scraggly-haired summons server standing on his stoop. He plopped a foreclosure notice from Bank of America into Mr. Nyerges hands. But he had paid for his house in cash, and he’d never had a checking account, much less a mortgage, with Bank of America.

By now, stories of bank robo-signers powering through hundreds of foreclosure affidavits a day without verifying a single fact have become common. But most of those involved homeowners who had stopped paying their mortgages. Now, foreclosure nightmare are descending on a new species of homeowner.

These homeowners paid their mortgages or loan modifications on time. Some even paid off their loans.

Worse, those on the receiving end of a bad foreclosure claim tell similar stories of getting bounced from one bank official to the next with no resolution while the foreclosure process proceeded.

Many resorted to paying a lawyer, even after presenting documentation. They say they have to sue not only to stop the wrongful foreclosure but also to win back their costs.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:47:41

But, but, I thought those were just urban legends!

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-12-19 19:50:16

This stuff can’t be right. Natalie assures us that defendants in foreclosure actions are all just using stalling tactics and deserve to be fined and forced to pay up.

 
 
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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-12-19 17:22:12

Meredith Whitney on 60 Minutes right now. (started late because of the game) She’s discussing the collection of state budget fiascos.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 17:56:11

Meredith Whitney Says U.S. May Face Bailout for States: Video

Sept. 30 (Bloomberg) — Meredith Whitney, founder and chief executive officer of Meredith Whitney Advisory Group, discusses her report rating the finances of the 15 largest U.S. states. Whitney, speaking with Betty Liu on Bloomberg Television’s “In the Loop,” says the U.S. government may face a bailout for states over the next 12 months. (Source: Bloomberg)

Comment by rms
2010-12-19 19:58:34

It would be difficult to imagine the federal government with their lean 401k style employee benefits stepping up to bail-out the states, many of which have generous defined benefit structures in place, without demanding concessions.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:49:16

whoa

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 17:46:48

Most remarkable aspect of current U.S. housing situation: It is well over four years since home prices started declining (in late-spring 2006), yet prices are still falling, AND IT STILL FEELS SUBVERSIVE TO DISCUSS FALLING HOME PRICES.

How many more years will it be until many are heard to say, “Real estate is the worst investment”?

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-12-19 19:34:57

Feels like at the rate we’re going we’ve still got decades left to go.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 21:09:11

Well, Japan’s home prices fell for two straight decades; not sure they ever bottomed out, but I am sure a bottom will be in any day now.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-12-19 22:50:43

How many more years will it be until many are heard to say, “Real estate is the worst investment”?

There are still far too many folks who think NOW is the time “to get into real estate.” I almost feel as though we’ve turned some corner a la the stock market, where everyone wants a piece of it, some piece of it. Didn’t seem that way 10 years ago. Then again, I’m a relative pup when it comes to RE so maybe it’s been that way for longer.

But that’s not what you asked. I don’t know. 5, 10 years?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 17:50:15

The U.S. is not the only place on the planet with a problem of too much vacant real estate. Other centrally-planned economies face similar issues.

The ghost towns of China: Amazing satellite images show cities meant to be home to millions lying deserted

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 10:53 AM on 18th December 2010

These amazing satellite images show sprawling cities built in remote parts of China that have been left completely abandoned, sometimes years after their construction.

Elaborate public buildings and open spaces are completely unused, with the exception of a few government vehicles near communist authority offices.

Some estimates put the number of empty homes at as many as 64 million, with up to 20 new cities being built every year in the country’s vast swathes of free land.

The photographs have emerged as a Chinese government think tank warns that the country’s real estate bubble is getting worse, with property prices in major cities overvalued by as much as 70 per cent.
Ghost city: Kangbashi was meant to be the urban centre for wealthy coal-mining community Ordos and home to its one million workers, but its roads are eerily empty and the houses stand vacant

Ghost city: Kangbashi was meant to be the urban centre for wealthy coal-mining community Ordos and home to its one million workers, but its roads are eerily empty and the houses stand vacant
The mostly empty city of Bayannao¿er, which boasts a beautiful town hall and World Bank-sponsored water reclamation building

The mostly empty city of Bayannao¿er, which boasts a beautiful town hall and World Bank-sponsored water reclamation building

Of the 35 major cities surveyed, property prices in eleven including Beijing and Shanghai were between 30 and 50 per cent above their market value, the China Daily said, citing the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

Prices in Fuzhou, capital of the southeastern province of Fujian, had the worst property bubble with average house prices more than 70 per cent higher than their market value, according to the survey conducted in September.

The average price in the 35 cities surveyed was nearly 30 per cent above the market value, the report said.

Property prices have remained stubbornly high despite the government adopting a slew of measures since April including hiking minimum downpayments to at least 30 per cent and ordering banks not to provide loans for third home purchases.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 18:57:54

Wow. Good find.

But one commenter made some interesting points about being prepared for future expansion.

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-12-19 18:02:50

For all of the anit-unionists among us:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2013690017_jobsforlife19.html

“Germans get jobs for life during export boom”

“Germany’s export-driven industry is embracing an asset closer to home: domestic workers.

BASF, the world’s largest chemicals maker, last month followed Siemens in granting job security for the 33,000 workers at its Ludwigshafen plant. Siemens, the biggest German company by market value, said in September it will indefinitely secure locations and jobs for all its 128,000 domestic employees in the most sweeping concession to local workers yet. Utility E.ON and carmaker Porsche have similar accords.

Unemployment in Europe’s largest economy has tumbled to the lowest level in 18 years, as companies seek skilled workers to sustain an economic rebound that shows few signs of cooling. The demand for local talent marks a shift from a decadelong trend of companies moving production abroad to escape high wages and German labor-market regulation that hampered hiring and firing.”

And further on in the article:

“German workers have more clout than in other countries because they are represented in the highest echelons of company management. Every supervisory board of publicly traded companies is evenly split between representatives for management and employees. That system, unique to Germany, gives work councils and union members more sway over strategy, hiring and firing, as well as the pay of senior executives.

“When I left General Electric, I thought this can’t possibly work, you can’t run a company with all these labor representatives on the board,” said Peter Solmssen, who joined Siemens’ management board in 2007.

Solmssen, a U.S. citizen who oversees compliance at the engineering company, said he has since revised his opinion, as Siemens “gains more from working with the labor representatives than what we give up.”

Comment by ecofeco
2010-12-19 19:01:38

How can this be? Germany wasn’t supposed to be doing well in this economy with its dang socialeest/commie/union welfare state!

Yet it’s one of the few industrialized 1st world nations that is doing just fine and has strong exports. Is all paradise? Of course not. But Germany seems to grasp that if you have a consumer driven economy, you better have some consumers.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-12-19 20:01:03

Yeah, well they’ve only been underperforming the US for about 40 years. Even socialized economies are going to have their moments in the sun, especially when their competitors are becoming more regulated by the minute.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-12-19 23:03:08

Germany recovered after the hyperinflation of the 20s, rebuilt after being bombed out in the 40s, and absorbed the miserable economy of East Germany in the 90s. They must be doing something right.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 21:17:27

It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas…

Japan stocks fall on renewed Korea tensions

Posted: 20 December 2010 1058 hrs

TOKYO: Japanese shares fell Monday morning as renewed tensions on the Korean peninsula eroded risk appetite and triggered falls in markets across the region, brokers said.

The headline Nikkei index of the Tokyo Stock Exchange fell 0.32 per cent, or 32.55 points, to end the session at 10,271.28. The Topix index of all first section shares shed 0.09 per cent, or 0.78 points, to 902.36.

Regional sentiment was hit by news South Korea is pushing ahead with a US-backed artillery exercise, prompting an emergency session of the UN Security Council at Russia’s request, brokers said.

The live-fire drill is planned at the South Korean island of Yeonpyeong, which North Korean forces shelled last month, killing four South Koreans, including two civilians.

Selling pressure also grew as profit-taking set in following recent gains, with trade sluggish as foreign investors took to the sidelines ahead of Christmas holidays, brokers said.

There is a tendency for downward corrections when the market momentum is sluggish with foreign investors away,” Kenichi Hirano, operating officer at Tachibana Securities, told Dow Jones Newswires.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-12-19 21:22:35

market pulse
Dec. 19, 2010, 11:07 p.m. EST
Chinese stocks tumble amid Korean tensions
By V. Phani Kumar

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Mainland Chinese stocks tumbled Monday on a wave of selling in late morning trade amid worries over geopolitical tensions on the Korean peninsula ahead of a South Korean military drill. The Shanghai Composite (CN:SHCOMP 2,812, -82.21, -2.84%) , which had opened higher, fell 2.8% by the midday break to 2,811.53. In Hong Kong, the Hang Seng Index (HK:HANGSENG 22,458, -257.01, -1.13%) lost 1.2% to 22,452.96. Castor Pang, research director at Cinda International, said investors were worried that both North and South Korea seemed like they were “not stable” and using the geopolitical worries as an excuse to wind down portfolios. He added that the fall may have been exacerbated by very thin trading volumes towards the end of the year. Mining and metal stocks fell sharply in Shanghai, with Yanzhou Coal Mining Co. (CN:600188 27.55, -1.58, -5.42%) dropping 5.4% and Western Mining Co. (CN:601168 17.71, -0.99, -5.29%) shrinking 5.3%, while Jiangxi Copper Co. (CN:600362 38.60, -1.84, -4.55%) lost 4.6%. In Hong Kong, Jiangxi (HK:358 23.90, -0.65, -2.65%) (JIXAY 123.00, -3.23, -2.56%) shrank 2.4% and Aluminum Corp. of China Ltd. (HK:2600 6.83, -0.19, -2.71%) (ACH 22.54, +0.14, +0.63%) dropped 2.9%.

 
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