January 25, 2011

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Comment by wmbz
2011-01-25 05:24:44

Republican calls for Fannie, Freddie to hike fees

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) –- The government can reduce its role in housing finance by raising the fees that mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac charge for guaranteeing credit risk, a leading Republican lawmaker said Monday.

The call by Rep. Randy Neugebauer, the new chairman of the oversight and investigations subcommittee of the House Financial Services Committee, comes as the White House appears reluctant to come up with a single proposal on how to replace Fannie and Freddie in an upcoming, key report. See related story on White House on Fannie Mae reform.

But Neugebauer’s speech, given before a University of Maryland and New York University event, also suggests a realization among Republicans that the government’s role in housing finance is likely to continue.

The Texas Republican said increased fees levied by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would bring “parity” to housing finance. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac purchase whole mortgages from banks and other direct lenders and package them into bonds and mortgage-backed securities. They charge investors a “guarantee fee” in return for backing the bonds they sell.

“With higher guarantee fees, people will start looking for return in the private market. They will give some basis points to get a bit more return and give up the federal backing,” he said. “We have to make sure Fannie and Freddie are not competing with private market.”

Comment by Jim A.
2011-01-25 05:43:46

Certainly sounds like a good idea. The long term problem is the fact that the GSEs were even better at regulatory capture than the Wall Street banks. The treated their regulator OFHEO with the same respect and deference that you give your great anunts little shake and piss dog when it barks at you.

Comment by arizonadude
2011-01-25 06:56:15

fannie and freddie should fail and go away.

Comment by polly
2011-01-25 07:21:15

Nice fantasy, but until Ron Paul and 535 of his closest ideological allies get put in charge of the government, not very realistic. What we might possibly be able to get is a shrinking of their role combined with dumping the public/private partnership garbage and putting their executives on a government (GS or SES) pay scale. No incentives for capturing market share, just a mandate to fill in the holes where the standard substantial money down/good ratio of debt to varified income mortgage market has, for some reason (like a few local banks having issues, lack of branches of more diversified lenders, etc.) has collapsed. And dump the government guarantee too.

No salaries in the millions, no golden parachutes, no shareholders. Just a much smaller agency with a limited role and rules about where they aren’t allowed to go.

Oh, heck, this is just a fantasy too, but it is a lot more likely than dumping them outright.

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Comment by polly
2011-01-25 07:29:40

Oh, and none of this garbage, because the execs won’t have any incentive to play games with the accountants, and they won’t have control over the accounting rules applied anyway.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/24/business/24fees.html?scp=2&sq=Fannie%20Mae&st=Search

Since the government took over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, taxpayers have spent more than $160 million defending the mortgage finance companies and their former top executives in civil lawsuits accusing them of fraud. The cost was a closely guarded secret until last week, when the companies and their regulator produced an accounting at the request of Congress.

 
Comment by DennisN
2011-01-25 08:53:28

Put them on GG scale so they can be terminated at will. ;)

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-01-25 10:03:26

“Since the government took over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, taxpayers have spent more than $160 million defending the mortgage finance companies and their former top executives in civil lawsuits accusing them of fraud.”

This is the king of sentence that really ratchets up my blood pressure.

 
Comment by polly
2011-01-25 11:22:44

Griz,

I usually hunt around for a short paragraph to use as a tease to let folks know what they will see if they use the link. Didn’t even have to this time. Just used the first one.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2011-01-25 07:28:28

Well they’ve ALREADY failed and they show no sign of going away. Much like some of those Wall Street banks.

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Comment by oxide
2011-01-25 10:13:23

The long-term problem is that lobbyists and elections-by-tv-ad have transmogrified public-private “partnerships” into mechanisms to socialize the risk and privatize the profit.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2011-01-25 07:25:23

WMBZ….Fetch the new Case-Shiller numbers for November….5th consecutive decline…

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 07:51:01

Not in San Diego — we reported an “improvement” in our price levels. ;-)

Comment by scdave
2011-01-25 08:29:33

Yeah I saw that Pbear….Along with SF,LA….

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Comment by DennisN
2011-01-25 08:57:09

Professor Bear is calling a housing bottom! :lol:

For the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!

The kingdom of this world
Is become the kingdom of our Lord,
And of His Christ, and of His Christ;
And He shall reign for ever and ever,
For ever and ever, forever and ever,

King of kings, and Lord of lords,
And Lord of lords,
And He shall reign forever and ever,
King of kings, forever and ever,
And Lord of lords,
Hallelujah! Hallelujah!

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Comment by Jerry
2011-01-25 14:34:26

Is it different in San Diego then the rest of California?The state continues to suffer greatly but wear special sunglasses to block the truth everything is bright with San Diego housing going up now.Perceptions of housing prices going down further just won’t happen because “its just different”.

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Comment by bill in Tampa
2011-01-25 17:08:01

It’s different on the west coast from SD to Silly Con Valley. Pessimism does not stick around there as long as elsewhere. Even smog belt Inland Empire recovers quicker. But this could be a dead cat bounce.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 08:34:49

“We have to make sure Fannie and Freddie are not competing with private market.”

How would they do this, other than shutting them down?

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-01-25 16:36:45

But Neugebauer’s speech, given before a University of Maryland and New York University event, also suggests a realization among Republicans that the government’s role in housing finance is likely to continue.

Just as I predicted, the Establishment Republicans are already selling the deluded fools who voted for them down the river.

Comment by Xiaoding
2011-01-25 19:47:06

Who would these fools be? You know what you get when you vote for an E.R..

 
 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-01-25 06:17:17

Turns out when I said my housing costs were $200 a month this year in the doublewide, I lied. Got my yearly property tax bill for it in the mail, my choice of two payments of $60 or as a high roller I can just pay the $120 all at once.

One caveat, market rate for lot rent around here is $500+ a month, I just get the $150/200/250 rate for 3 years as an incentive for newer units to be moved into the park (which mine was). The unfortunate thing is that location was a big part of my decision to live here and now that I got laid off I probably won’t be able to walk to the next job from here. I guess that’s the advantage of wheels on the house…I notice that a lot of jobs in my field are in the Bay Area, wonder if there are any good places to park it there? :-)

Comment by combotechie
2011-01-25 06:42:37

What’s it cost to move one of those doublewides?

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-01-25 07:36:43

I don’t remember exactly how it works, but I looked it up when I first bought it in case when I was done with it I wanted to put it on my parent’s property in Wyoming, and it looked like that ~500 mile move would be about 5k.

Comment by combotechie
2011-01-25 07:53:04

It costs $5,000 to move it 500 miles?

(Choke)

How far do you live from the Bay Area? How much would it cost to move it there?

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Comment by combotechie
2011-01-25 07:55:44

Why not sell your doublewide where it now sits and find another one to buy in the Bay Area if/when you move there?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-01-25 08:00:42

I want to be there taking pictures when you tow it across the Golden Gate Bridge. You just need Granny sitting on top in her rocking chair to make it perfect.

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-01-25 09:17:21

Be like Jim Rockford and live in one one the beach.

Just skip the plaid sports coats.

 
Comment by bill in Tampa
2011-01-25 10:16:55

I never understood the reason they had him living in a mobile home on the beach. It looked humble though. And that’s a good thing. Live the simple life in paradise!

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-01-25 10:25:18

Why not sell your doublewide where it now sits and find another one to buy in the Bay Area if/when you move there?

That’s the obvious solution. I was just being silly. My assumption is that anywhere I could take it wouldn’t be somewhere I’d want to live anyway. This was just a unique situation where it worked.

 
 
Comment by exeter
2011-01-25 10:11:45

Good job shorting The Great Housing Fraud Carl.

Hauling charges are typically 1-$2/mile. RV’s, boats, etc. $1 per is quite cheap.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-01-25 11:01:06

Yeah, in this case the two separate halves plus the teardown and setup made me think the total would be about 5k.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-01-25 11:05:57

Oh yeah, and speaking of shorting. So far my short hasn’t paid off. Prices haven’t really dropped in Boulder. The austerity and the walking to work have definitely paid off, though.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jess from upstate SC
2011-01-25 07:28:17

In the 80″s wife and I started out in a brand new singlewide . I developed serious breathing problems , which got worse . 5 years later we built a new house and moved , and my health improved 5 fold overnight. I firmly believe it was all the formalihide and stuff in the new trailer that about did me in .

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-01-25 07:38:32

I’ll keep that in mind :-). Ours is a 91 that was remodeled just before we bought it…haven’t noticed any issues so far. Maybe most of it already outgassed in the 90s :-).

Comment by exeter
2011-01-25 10:13:42

Ozone generators do a nice job at burning up formaldehyde…. and any other odor from organic compounds.

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Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2011-01-25 09:16:53

One of my many college summer jobs was working for my great-uncle at his trailer-sales lot. My job was to assemble the furniture of the trailers. The air inside those new trailers was so bad that I could hardly breath and my eyes watered all the time.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-01-25 10:05:46

It’s all the glues, etc.

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Comment by DennisN
2011-01-25 09:14:43

Hardly any trailer parks left in the SF Bay Area - the land is too valuable. What happens to existing parks is that the land is sold to developer and the current tennants are told to skedaddle. Then they find the law prohibits moving their doublewides “because they don’t meet present-day codes”. So they are forced to merely abandon their units without meaningful compensation.

Are these laws prohibiting moving mobile homes if they don’t meet present-day codes common in most states?

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2011-01-25 14:03:13

There are still a few on the peninsula, but they are already stuffed to the gills.

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2011-01-25 15:09:15

I can answer that. NO! And rental fees go up yearly. I recall lot rentals in a park in Sunnyvale were $1200 a month during the boom years. The newspapers loved that one!!

On the other hand, there may be lots of ‘about to be foreclosed’ people who may rent out to you their RV sized driveway?

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 06:46:18

Yesterday we revisited the “in the box thinking” arguments of the inflation/deflation/End of the world because of debt debate and I was wondering why we assume such an “out of the box” thing such as “money” would always follow rigid rules as if economics is physics or something. Let’s face it. Even since gold, money has always built on beliefs and confidence that it was actually worth something far more than the actual bits of metal or scraps of paper. The Fed being able to “print” a trillion dollars over night to bail out its friends is proof that there is something “funny” about money anyway therefore why get so worried about the debt of something that is so “funny”?

There is also something “funny” about our current national debt debate and it smells rotten in that its Glen Beck type solution is always framed to be born on the backs of average Americans while raising taxes on the rich or restructuring our crony-capitalism is hysterically framed as “socialism” and now even “communism” because the overuse of the word “socialism” has lessened its “terror”.

Don’t get me wrong, S might HTF but it need not be blood in the streets, starving and the end of the world and this is exactly WHY we have been conditioned to think SocSec will not be there for us and the average American needs face austerity. The uber-rich are mentally conditioning us to accept their final wealth grab but this final wealth grab is not pre-ordained if we have the guts to disallow it.

“But our dollar will crash!” Well Boo Hoo and Yawn. Are we surprised? Fiat currencies never last forever, why should ours be any different? The philosophical battle-lines being drawn now are not to save the value of the dollar per se, but to determine the outcome of the inevitable restructure of the debt and the system. Will that restructuring favor the average American or the uber-rich puppet masters?

I don’t know. It can go either way. But I do know currency crashes and restructuring need not be the end of life as we know it. Why should the crash of something “fake” like fiat money have to cause such great destruction? It need not but someone will pay the price more than others but who will that someone be? The already shafted middle-class or the looting richest of the rich?

Brazil is a good example of crashes of “fake money” sometimes being constructive. Since 1986 Brazil has had 3 currency collapses- the Crusero, Crusado, and the Cursado Novo. Gone. Poof. Did the society go poof? Did the country disappear? Heck no. In fact, since the 3 currency collapses Brazil has risen like a star and now has millions joining the middle-class, is energy independent and as a 8% growth rate and 5.6% unemployment. Brazil’s restructure was balanced and benefited the people more than it did the very rich who by the way are still way richer than they were 30 years ago. It’s just that the Brazilian rich are not 10 times richer after inflation than they were 30 years ago as the American uber-rich are now.

The point is that “money” is not totally real and “money” is a tool that can be used to benefit whoever we choose it to benefit. I think it is a mistake to benefit crony-capitalist, corporatist monopolies and the uber-rich over the true “small-capitalists”. I would much rather see money and the system favor small business the middle-class and local, made in America, honest capitalism.

Here’s part of an article that touches on some of the points made above about “money” and currency crash reconstruction:

Money—as represented by paper, real estate, gold, silver, salt, or giant hunks of limestone—has always been fiction.

…Case in point: Brazil in the late ’80s and early ’90s—the very exemplar of modern hyperinflation. The TAL story goes on to examine how Brazil ended that nearly 10-year period of hyperinflation. The new finance minister in 1993, Fernando Henrique Cardoso, called on some of his college friends, who had researched economic psychology, especially as it relates to inflation, for help. They came up with the Plano Real.

In addition to addressing the fundamental causes of inflation—essentially, no longer printing more and more money—the Plano Real included an unprecedented scheme for restoring the people’s faith in money. As summarized by Planet Money correspondent Chana Joffe-Walt,

People were the problem. People had to be tricked into thinking that money had value, when all signs told them that was absolutely not true.

The Brazilian finance team created a new currency that was artificially stable, and eventually everyone accepted it. The lesson, Joffe-Walt concludes, is that, like Dorothy’s way home in the Wizard of Oz, “For money…that’s all you need—people to believe in it.”

http://www.benzinga.com/11/01/796329/the-evolution-of-money-and-the-market#ixzz1C3PF4e3r

Comment by combotechie
2011-01-25 07:18:26

“People had to be tricked into thinking money had value, when all signs told them that was absolutely not true.”

Lol. I guess I’m one of those people.

Silly me.

Also silly is everyone else who accepts my money for payments for goods and services.

Comment by lint
2011-01-25 10:09:57

“Also silly is everyone else who accepts my money for payments for goods and services.”

In silver terms those that accepted fed notes 12 months ago lost 75% of the notes buying power.

Silly or insane are those accepting fed notes?

Comment by mathguy
2011-01-25 11:43:15

That is the lamest thing I’ve heard, and I am a fan of asset backed currencies. To pick a single commodity that has changed drastically in value and try to say the value of the currency was lost because the price of a commodity changed… well, I only hope you were tongue in cheek saying that…

I go to the local steel shop to buy steel, aluminum etc… for making parts. Steel rems( the leftover scrap sold at raw recycle value) is still 99c /lb and aluminum is still $1.99/lb Did the price of steel plummet too? Did all that value in the millions of pounds of steel sitting around disappear? Nope. It still does exactly today what it did 6 months ago. When the steel prices also start rising, along with oil, food, energy, and maybe even (gasp) housing, I will know that the currency crunch is on. In the meantime, I am enjoying the deflation going on all around me, especially in housing where I hope one magical day, the prices will be reasonable again.

Side note: I do own physical precious and non-precious metals, and have diversified away from dollars to some extent, but remain mostly in very liquid assets.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 10:14:09

Lol. I guess I’m one of those people. (tricked into thinking money had value)…Silly me. combotechie

Actually you are not silly for thinking so and that was 1/2 the point about “money” of the post.

i wonder…what would happen to the dollar if our military was to just disappear overnight? michael

This is where we have a great advantage over say Brazil when we are forced to restructure our currency. That and world reserve status. Therefore if Brazil can do it, USA can do it.

What were the realities of Brazil’s currency crashes? Who was hit the hardest within Brazilian society?…I can’t get around the idea that the middle class will take it the hardest in a currency crash. alpha-sloth

Good question but we have to ask hardest hit in what time frame. Brazil’s last currency crises was about 11 years ago. Everyone was hammered at first. But, in that same 11 years, 20% of Brazil’s population has joined the “middle-class”. In 1999, 30% of Brazil was middle-class. In 2011, 50% of Brazil is middle-class. This is HUGE.

Now we might say 11 years is a long time to wait for results but let’s put it into perspective. It’s been 11 years since USA’s stock market crash AND almost 5 years since America’s housing crash. A long time? Well in those 11 years and 5 years the American middle-class has shrunk but since Brazil’s 1999 currency crash and restructure Brazil’s middle class has grown.

How about we reinstate Glass Steagall, end TBTF, use tax law to lessen the wealth disparity in America, and then see what happens. I don’t think that will cause us, or require us, to crash and burn. alphasloth

I agree along with fair trade protectionism, sharing more of companies wealth with its workers, investing in small business, breaking up monopolies, getting government out of housing and a public option.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 07:20:11

“The uber-rich are mentally conditioning us to accept their final wealth grab but this final wealth grab is not pre-ordained if we have the guts to disallow it.”

All so true, and mathematically illiterate J6P just accepts it.

And speaking of money, what’s with the barrage of articles about how we “all will be using our ’smart phones’ as debit/credit cards”?

Is this yet another scam to force those who have held out from having one of those pricey toys (along with their pricey service plans) to join the “revolution”?

Comment by oxide
2011-01-25 07:45:37

Yes. I’m personally dreading the day when there will be NO free TV, and we’ll all need to buy cable just to watch football (already happening). Or the day that my apartment complex starts charging for parking, on top of the too-damn-high rent, or when I’ll be required to pay a monthly toll to drive my car onto the local streets. Welcome to the country of Monthly Fees.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-01-25 08:03:28

Yes. I’m personally dreading the day when there will be NO free TV, and we’ll all need to buy cable just to watch football (already happening).

No TV in my household already. Zat’s because I refuse to:

1. Pay money to buy one of the things
2. Pay the electric company for the juice to run it
3. Waste time watching it

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Comment by cobaltblue
2011-01-25 08:36:01

“No TV in my household already.”

Hey Slim,

You’re not turning into a “problem child” are you???

The Mass Consumption Czars have already told us to shop til we drop, or the terrorists will win. You’re not going to be enticed to overspend on useless crap unless all the $$$ spent on advertizing can reach your heart and mind via TV, no? Just sayin…

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-01-25 09:21:15

You’re not turning into a “problem child” are you???

I certainly am! At the ripe old age of 53, I am indeed becoming a problem child.

And, to offer proof of this, I’d like to don my HBB Librarian hat and recommend a couple of books:

The Cheapskate Next Door by Jeff Yeager. Next to Joe Dominguez and Vicki Robin’s Your Money or Your Life, this is the most fun I’ve ever had with a frugality book.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-01-25 10:11:53

No TV in my household already. Zat’s because I refuse to:

1. Pay money to buy one of the things
2. Pay the electric company for the juice to run it
3. Waste time watching it

4. Analog + self creativity + “…cut with the negative waves Kelly’s of the world!” :-)

From San Diego, CA An example:

http://www.youtube.com/user/realitychangers

 
Comment by polly
2011-01-25 11:07:57

Slim, I have a feeling you have been a “problem child” for a very long time. Of course, I mean that in the best possible meaning of the phrase.

 
Comment by Kim
2011-01-25 12:16:31

Thanks for yet another book recommendation, Slim! I just put it on hold at my local library.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-01-25 13:00:24

I saw some pretty good cheapskate books at my local army-navy store. Homesteaders and/or gun-totin’ rednecks living on less than $12K a year or so.

(which is fine, until one of the leaders of the homestead needed a double-bypass. You don’t find double-bypasses lying around on the back 40.)

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 13:08:58

You don’t find double-bypasses lying around on the back 40.)

Unless you’re a good ol’ boy in Canada, Great Britain, Ireland, France, Germany, Holland, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Japan, Belgium, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand or
ANY OTHER MAJOR INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

 
Comment by New Normal
2011-01-25 15:46:17

Republican Patriotard health care plan choices: premature death and/or bankruptcy

 
 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2011-01-25 09:23:26

About a year after I had my cable cut off, I caught someone from the cable company spying on my house with a pair of binoculars. I guess they thought I was illegally tapping into their cable, because they probably couldn’t understand how anyone could survive without cable.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-01-25 11:20:40

I have a cable connection for my Internet. And that’s all.

For several years, the cable company was also charging me for teevee. Well, I took ‘em to the Arizona Attorney General’s Office and that fixed their little wagon but good.

However, I still find my mailbox bombarded with their cable teevee promos. Which die a quick death in my recycle bin.

 
Comment by Kim
2011-01-25 12:20:34

Surviving without cable would be easy. My sister, for example, does. She watches a handful of shows that interest her off the internet.

Surviving without internet… would be a little challenging.

 
Comment by DennisN
2011-01-25 13:19:38

Depending upon where you live, the new ATSC OTA digital broadcasts are both free and wonderful.

The transmitter towers here in Boise are on top of a mountain about 5,000 feet above the valley floor, and we all have direct line of sight to them with no multipath reflections to cause distortions. The local PBS affiliate broadcasts simultaneously 4 channels. We get to watch live broadcasts of the state house and senate debates during the legislative session (Jan. - March). Other than that all I watch are films on discs.

My sister complains that I have the fanciest TV she ever saw (110″ diagonal) but that I “don’t watch television”. Well, no, I don’t watch network BS soap operas and other such drivel.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2011-01-25 16:05:06

The last tv or cable hook up in our home was in 1992. We catch Documentaries of interest free online.

 
Comment by Xiaoding
2011-01-25 19:58:30

You don’t get multipath problems with digital, ever. The tech eliminates it.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2011-01-25 12:16:04

Ahem…

The Battle I was fighting -before- The Housing Boom came along! I didn’t stand up for Free Football ( because I can’t stand watching football ) and then they came for…

Just got our HOA Memo and it’s a doozey! All kinds of ambitious hints being dropped that lead you down a path where what else can you do except for ever-higher Fees ( before things get a whole lot worse!? )

Bad all the way around. On a soapbox for years, but would they listen?

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2011-01-25 14:11:14

Time to run for the HOA President position so you can disband the HOA by decree.

You should go to every meeting and petition to disband the HOA at every meeting.

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2011-01-25 19:59:50

Don’t have an accident or break down in several So Cal cities, counties. If you’re not a resident, they will bill you for the emergency services from police and fire !

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Comment by Steve J
2011-01-25 09:21:25

It’s all about the fees…

 
Comment by whyoung
2011-01-25 10:53:09

Has anyone ever read “The Handmaid’s Tale”?
There’s an interesting bit about when the government is overthrown they cut off all the debit cards…

 
 
Comment by michael
2011-01-25 07:24:36

i wonder…what would happen to the dollar if our military was to just disappear overnight?

(rhetorical question)

Comment by Muggy
2011-01-25 07:51:04

“i wonder…what would happen to the dollar if our military was to just disappear overnight?”

But how else is it supposed to be? In the natural world, battle for resources is how it all goes down. I guess we should be thankful that we’re among a handful of “currency traders” that doesn’t involve attacking prey all day long (yes, I understand the irony of that line), and — as we are learning — we occupy a tiny sliver of geologic history in which we can momentarily rise above skull-crushing.

If you think about billions of years of natural history, it is truly remarkable the time in which we are in now.

Future anthropologists will be amazed that we pulled off “WalMart greeter” for a couple of decades.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-01-25 10:19:15

If you think about billions of years of natural history, it is truly remarkable the time in which we are in now.

Seems “Peace” is the rarest element to be found distributed. ;-)

http://www.kxol.com.au/images/you_are_here3.jpg

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Comment by Muggy
2011-01-25 11:34:04

In what environ, other than ours, is “peace” even an option?

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2011-01-25 09:02:42

The same thing that happened to the French Franc in June 1940 I suppose.

 
Comment by Xiaoding
2011-01-25 20:00:41

Not the stupidest question ever. But it is on the short list.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2011-01-25 20:01:24

How about no welfare or food stamps ???

 
Comment by pismoclam
2011-01-25 21:52:15

I would rather the EPA and Dept of Education dissapear. We’ve learned all we need to know from algore, haven’t we ? Make sure you put the heat blanket on the car block. It’s -25 F here tonight !

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-01-25 09:05:06

What were the realities of Brazil’s currency crashes? Who was hit the hardest within Brazilian society?

I can’t get around the idea that the middle class will take it the hardest in a currency crash. The rich have wealth all over the world, the poor have nothing to lose. It’s the middle class that would lose what little they still have, it seems to me.

But I question whether there’s not a middle ground between ‘letting her crash and seeing what happens’, and allowing Wall Street to continue its pillaging. I think that’s a false choice, given to us by the banksters themselves.

How about we reinstate Glass Steagall, end TBTF, use tax law to lessen the wealth disparity in America, and then see what happens. I don’t think that will cause us, or require us, to crash and burn.

Comment by scdave
2011-01-25 09:21:48

use tax law to lessen the wealth disparity in America ??

I am sure we will use new tax law but it won’t be to go after the wealthy…It will be to go after the “masses”…New 15-cents a gallon tax on gasoline is a prime example…The “Crash Tax” thats going viral across California right now is another of many other examples…

Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-01-25 10:12:11

Alpha-sloth . excellent example you made in your post of something
that should be tried instead of the course we are on which is
putting all the pain on the Middle Class , The Politicians remind me of a bunch of Apes running around selling out to the banana lobbyist .
Give me a banana and than I will give you a million back in the form of favorable treatment .

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Comment by michael
2011-01-25 10:50:38

“…to lessen the wealth disparity in America…”

if the PTB thought wealth disparity was a problem they would have just let them fail.

but they didn’t.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-01-25 10:04:46

Rio …I’m thinking about your above post and I think the main issue is how the long term structures are re-structured and who benefits and who doesn’t . For a while now the self interest of a small % of the population
has controlled the outcome of the re-distribution grab.For Politicians to act like benefiting Corporate America and Wall Street that it will heal
Main street ,or its just a matter of Main Street fighting over scrapes is
absurd .

It would be nice to see Health Insurance Companies/Health Monopolies crash under the weight of their own greed and monopolistic rise in
health costs / This was in part due to Government trying to mixed with the private sector and that private sector going into gouging in a corrupted
insurance system . Doctors and health care professionals prosper under a system like this . No longer is making 100 grant a year acceptable for
your average doctor but it’s got to be a million or more .The Drug Companies are in on this also .A perfect example is a raise in policy
prices ,sometimes 39%, in a recession . You can’t keep a corrupted system alive and expect good results .

Another example is Corporation America and Wall Street being in total
disconnect with Main Street . In a ideal world these entities are suppose to serve America and the greater population and in that process provide
funds for our needed tax base . Now you have the “World is Our Oyster ”
mindset with Corporations along with taking any advantage with favorable taxes and hording money and just let the Government take care of shortages of the tax base .

The restructuring that is being attempted is bizarre to say the least ,not to say that Pensions weren’t bloated by corruption also . Every penny
that goes toward a sector that was corrupted is a penny that remains in
ill-gotten gain .

Welfare and stacked decks to Corporate America /Monopolies /Wall Street /Health Care will only serve to destroy the productive sector
of America which is the Middle classes . Does killing a bee hive by taking away the honey make for a healthy bee hive ?

It’s very important right now to put the offending entities back in their place ,something that current Politicians can’t do if their lives depended on it . If your going to restructure you should restructure in a manner that creates a well functioning Bee Hive ,not what they are doing which
is a waste of money ,and a failure for the future . You have a lot of Countries as example of never being able to prosper because of looting and power in the hands of few taking the lions share .

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-01-25 11:22:18

It would be nice to see Health Insurance Companies/Health Monopolies crash under the weight of their own greed and monopolistic rise in health costs / This was in part due to Government trying to mixed with the private sector and that private sector going into gouging in a corrupted insurance system . Doctors and health care professionals prosper under a system like this . No longer is making 100 grant a year acceptable for your average doctor but it’s got to be a million or more .The Drug Companies are in on this also .A perfect example is a raise in policy prices ,sometimes 39%, in a recession . You can’t keep a corrupted system alive and expect good results .

Which is why, IMHO, the health care bubble is starting to hiss major air. Sorta like housing started to do back in ‘05.

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2011-01-25 10:12:05

So with all of wealth and goodies that you have at your disposal in Brazil I’m sure that you will take advantage of your situation and return to the USA a well healed upper class citizen. BTW, didn’t Brazil just raise bond rates to slow inflation. Wow, there you go, jump on it!

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 10:40:40

Wow, there you go, jump on it!

Maybe I’d jump on your “point” if I could figure out how it related to mine.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 11:14:18

Rioisn’t saying that the standard of living is higher in Brazil, we all know its not…

but…

their standard is rising while our is falling.

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-01-25 07:11:36

As a supporter of law enforcement, and an armchair real estate observer, this story cut across a few of my interests. The shooter holed up in the attic of the house — police demolished it. With respect to the fallen officers, I was unaware that police were able to do this. It’s obviously now a hot-button issue here.

“House where two St. Petersburg police officers fatally shot demolished”

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/house-where-two-st-petersburg-police-officers-fatally-shot-demolished/1147484

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 08:35:49

One less home in Tampa’s shadow inventory…

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-01-25 09:23:49

I remember when the Philedelphia police destroyed a bunch of row houses and when the FBI demolished a building in Waco.

 
Comment by ryan in tampa
2011-01-25 11:04:20

Is this turning into a West Bank type of scenario? If you kill a police office in the U.S. they bulldoze your house, is this analogous to Palestinians attacking the IDF and then the IDF demolishing the attackers family home?

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-01-25 13:45:35

TSA grope-searches without probable cause, DUI checkpoints that you can’t opt out of, destroying houses for the hell of it…

Wake up, people!

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 14:07:52

TSA grope-searches without probable cause, DUI checkpoints that you can’t opt out of, destroying houses for the hell of it…Wake up, people!

I’m with you on that. It is BS. US land of the free?

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 17:58:57

Did anyone else also notice the nationwide jump in police being shot last week?

Probably just an anomaly, but… wow.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 07:49:03

Bubble-era thinking is alive and well in the MSM, which reports decreases in housing affordability as “improvements,” as in, “San Diego was one of only four major metropolitan areas reporting improvements in the Case-Shiller/S&P index of home prices for November 2010.”

The Wall Street Journal
* ECONOMY
* JANUARY 25, 2011, 9:27 A.M. ET

Home Prices Move Down
By TESS STYNES

U.S. home prices fell in November, continuing a downward trend that began in August, according to the S&P Case-Shiller home-price indexes.

“With these numbers, more analysts will be calling for a double-dip in home prices,” David Blitzer, chairman of S&P’s index committee, said. Mr. Blitzer last month predicted that the double-dip for the housing sector had nearly arrived as six cities hit their lowest levels since home prices began dropping in 2006 and 2007.

The indexes, based on the three-month averages of home prices, turned lower in August for the first time in four months, a delayed response to housing-market weakness after federal home-buyer tax credits expired in April. Though home prices in November remained above lows in spring 2009, prices in eight markets — Atlanta, Charlotte, Detroit, Las Vegas, Miami, Portland, Ore., Seattle and Tampa — fell below those levels.

The Case-Shiller index of 10 major metropolitan areas fell 0.8% and the 20-city index fell 1% last month from October.

They were down 0.4% and 1.6%, respectively, from a year earlier. Adjusted for seasonal factors, the sequential declines were 1%.

In November, prices in one metropolitan statistical area covered by the index, San Diego, edged up 0.1% from October. Year-to-year, four metropolitan areas saw improvement: Los Angeles, up 2.1%; San Diego, up 2.6%, San Francisco, up 0.4% and Washington, D.C., up 3.5%.

Comment by oxide
2011-01-25 08:54:03

It’s an improvement for people who own houses. For people who want to buy houses, not so much.

Comment by Jim A.
2011-01-25 09:22:54

MOST importantly to the powers that be, it’s an improvement for those who lent the money to current homeowners.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 13:18:02

It’s not much of an improvement for the local labor market picture, either, as if workers cannot afford to move where the jobs are, jobs will be harder to fill.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-01-25 10:27:35

Interesting that Florida prices continue to fall while California seems to be having a little bounce. They’re both sand states at the epicenter of the bubble. I wonder what accounts for the divergence?

Comment by polly
2011-01-25 11:20:26

California still has some jobs?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-01-25 13:08:42

That was my initial thought, too, but Cali’s unemployment rate is 12.4% and Fla’s is 12.2%. Maybe the quality of the jobs?

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Comment by lavi d
2011-01-25 13:42:08

Maybe the quality of the jobs?

The hurricanes in CA are much milder…

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 14:02:37

Interesting that Florida prices continue to fall while California seems to be having a little bounce. They’re both sand states at the epicenter of the bubble. I wonder what accounts for the divergence?

I would add Cali’s bubble had much longer to entrench. N. Cal bubble started in about 1998 and S. Cal in about 2002. I think Fla’s got going around 03-04. N.Cal’s was fueled by Dot Com wealth of which much did remain and which Fla did not have.

Having much experience doing business in both states I would not be surprised if Fla had much more fraud per house sold. Fla houses were less expensive to begin with therefore more “investors” could afford to gamble on a flip or a rental easier than in Cali. Since they were both sand states, Florida investors (many from Cali) made the leap that Fla homes should be valued the same as Cali homes. Pay in Cali, especially on the coasts is higher than most of Fla.

Cali has better surf, is more beautiful, is more varied, has better weather, has a greater mix of people (maybe). N. Cal is one of the best educated regions in America. S. Cal’s has the international center of the entertainment industry, music, tv and film. (and porn lol)

So Cali is more special because everyone wants to live there.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-01-25 18:27:07

I think we agree it’s quality of the jobs, mostly. Florida’s a glorified tourist trap, with a decent but dwindling business as god’s waiting room- Miami still seems to hold its ‘capital of South America’ position, but maybe not for long. California’s still got some world-class industries (film, silicon valley), and they’re positioned well geographically to capitalize off America’s trade/sellout to China.

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Comment by oxide
2011-01-25 07:52:32

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HONOLULU(AP) — A former B-2 stealth bomber engineer was sentenced to 32 years in prison Monday for selling military secrets to China… Noshir Gowadia, 66, would likely be in his late 80s by the time he is released.

Gowadia, who was born in India, was convicted in August on 14 counts, including communicating national defense information to aid a foreign nation and violating the arms export control act.

Prosecutors said Gowadia helped China design a stealth cruise missile to get money to pay the $15,000-a-month mortgage on his luxurious multimillion dollar home overlooking the ocean on Maui. They say he pocketed at least $110,000 by selling military secrets.

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Comment by Muggy
2011-01-25 08:13:47

“They say he pocketed at least $110,000 by selling military secrets.”

Uh, horrible pay for that type of work. Wow… stunning.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-01-25 11:04:55

He did the spying at a price the native-born Americans won’t do.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 18:01:16

:lol: I think I’ve hurt myself laughing.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 08:17:58

It’s hard work to obtain the wealth to afford a home in Maui by honest means.

 
Comment by polly
2011-01-25 08:21:18

Wow. Just wow.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-01-25 09:00:47

The housing bubble as a national security issue: discuss:

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-01-25 08:49:28

Prosecutors said Gowadia helped China design a stealth cruise missile to get money to pay the $15,000-a-month mortgage on his luxurious multimillion dollar home overlooking the ocean on Maui.

Engineer lives in a $15,000-a-month mortgage on his luxurious multimillion dollar home overlooking the ocean on Maui - and this did not pop any red flags on his security clearance?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 11:06:06

Engineer lives in a $15,000-a-month mortgage on his luxurious multimillion dollar home overlooking the ocean on Maui - and this did not pop any red flags on his security clearance?

No because he fully disclosed on his security clearance that he had a no-doc/liar loan mortgage that was government backed.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-01-25 11:12:44

:-)

He’s hopin’ that they aren’t able to find the hidden Cuban cigars, that’ll finish him.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-01-25 16:41:04

People that spend spend spend are considered patriotic.

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Comment by bill in Tampa
2011-01-25 17:19:20

It would have raised red flags if someone who is aware he has a clearance would have to see how he is living large and then report to their security office or DSS. Most likely his colleagues did not know about his $15,000 mortgage. Cleared people are obligated to report things like that as soon as they are aware. A textbook case of why “snitching” is a must, for national security.

 
 
Comment by Steve J
2011-01-25 09:25:07

The darkside to the H1-b visa.

Comment by polly
2011-01-25 09:56:48

You don’t get to be an engineer on stealth bombers on an H1b, dearie. He may not be eligible to be president, but he is a US citizen who had a serious security clearance.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-01-25 10:32:02

Don’t they ever re-check these guys? I mean a simple internet search of his address would show the guy’s living in a seaside mansion, wouldn’t that trigger some sort of interest, at least enough to check how he could afford such a thing?

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Comment by DinOR
2011-01-25 12:21:24

alpha-sloth,

That’s the problem. There’s so much checking and narc’ing and dime dropping we’ve created an entirely new industry to check on all the dimes etc.

Unfortunately, clowns like this a-hole only further justify their bloated keyhole peeping budgets for/on the rest of us.

I waited TWO YEARS for mine.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2011-01-25 12:36:36

Every 10 years, at least for those of us with relatively vanilla clearances.

 
Comment by DinOR
2011-01-25 16:19:48

Jim A,

That was the frustrating part! I’d had a Top Sec. previously. They were like “so what?”

I… understand the system and how it works. That’s not the problem I have. What drives me nutts is it’s the best “job security” there is in Gov’t.

Always more to investigate you know! And as I’ve said before, -none- of us are ever really “in the clear”. It’s like, well, we just haven’t caught you red-handed yet!

From what I’m told, w/ all of the financial issues many ppl have been having, they’ve been able to sweep them under the carpet so far. It’s not until they change positions, dept’s or go to re-enlist ( if mil. ) that these issues surface. Lots of sweeping under the rug in the meantime.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 11:17:29

True, but there’s a good chance that he was once an H1-B. Just because he later raised his right hand and took an oath doesn’t mean he’s a loyal citizen.

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Comment by RA
2011-01-25 12:05:16

Many born here are perhaps just like him…that is why they have those background checks. I guess the checks eliminate some but are not perfect. Loyalty is a personal trait, is awesome, and very rare.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 12:14:32

I’ll agree that not every native born American is “loyal”, but if you are born here and you have roots then the chances are better that you will be loyal.

 
Comment by DinOR
2011-01-25 12:25:22

In Colorado,

At least that was ‘my’ case I was pleading. Born and raised in Chicago to 2nd gen. parents. Pffftt, BFD! You wait in line w/ the Ft. Hood shooter pal!

One of my buddies is a Lt. Cdr. in the Navy Reserve and he said he almost had a nervous breakdown getting an upgrade of his clearance. He waited two years too!

When you work in Intel, you can’t just say, Oh, I lost my Clearance, I’ll just go down and supervise the Base Supply to finish out my time! It doesn’t work like that. You go bye-bye. And he almost DID.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-01-25 12:38:05

Loyalty is a personal trait, is awesome, and very rare.

Yet at the same time I find it to be unappreciated to the point of ridicule in the high tech work world.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2011-01-25 12:38:16

OTOH those who have been naturalized have made a positive effort to become citizens, rather than just managing to be born here or born of US citizens. The amazing thing about these stories is just how cheaply these people hold their honor.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 13:15:43

“OTOH those who have been naturalized have made a positive effort to become citizens, rather than just managing to be born here or born of US citizens. The amazing thing about these stories is just how cheaply these people hold their honor.”

Maybe they naturalize for personal gain? Access to higher paying jobs that require security clearances?

 
Comment by bill in Tampa
2011-01-25 17:30:46

Most people with security clearances are fully aware they have to be more honest than other Americans. No felons allowed. Misdemeanors frowned upon. Drug problems are investigated. Gambling issues, credit checks, ex-spouses. A lot of situations are examined by investigators. Being very careful about following the rules when “everybody” cheats is both a burden, but a source of pride. The moment they bar atheists and singles from security clearance jobs, I will be out of that club. May as well move to Singapore then. I may be paranoid, but the Bible-culture Republicans may get their way to ban non-religious people from that club. Rumor is the FBI is made up of mostly Mormons.

 
Comment by cactus
2011-01-25 18:35:02

You also have to had applied for the draft at the post office.

My Draft number didn’t register had to call got it cleared up. This is new, in the old days they didn’t ask and it wasn’t done on a computer online questionare.

Now my clearence will expire in a few months, new place doesn’t require them.

 
Comment by Xiaoding
2011-01-25 20:11:02

Apparantly, there are no “Democrats” in the government. If only Obama knew!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-01-25 09:52:29

Gowadia, who was born in India, was convicted in August on 14 counts, including communicating national defense information to aid a foreign nation and violating the arms export control act.

Stay Focused: Food Stamps are destroying America! ;-)

China / India / China / Israel / China / Russia / China / Pakistan / China…

(Hwy50 senses a pattern)

 
Comment by salinasron
2011-01-25 10:07:22

It amazes me how many people who complain about their freedoms being violated are willing to sell it for a pittance of instant gratification. It shows how few people really understand the fine line between freedom and slavery.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-01-25 10:11:22

I’m not sure why this is not a capital case.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-01-25 12:23:11

Yes ,this should be a death penalty case .

Another thing that people don’t think about is that if you have a strong middle class it can be good for security issues . The more people thrown
into lower class increases potential for fraud and motivation to find other ways to get a piece of the American pie . That is why corrupted
cultures rule by a strong Police state ,or a bribed Police State .

I would also like to know if there is a higher number of Traitors that
were not born in the United States . I’m also thinking about that
Doctor Military man who went ballistic because his duties conflicted
with his native religion .

This land of milk and honey wasn’t protected enough in all areas as if
the policy makers thought that just living in America would change a mind-set . In that way we are arrogant ,just like we think that we can spread the American psychology to the rest of the World .

Comment by Steve J
2011-01-25 13:06:12

Treason, as stated in the Constitution, requires two witnesses or confession in court.

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Comment by Xiaoding
2011-01-25 20:15:44

What’s your point?

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-01-25 11:34:09

More from the article:

“The engineer helped design the propulsion system for the B-2 bomber when he worked at Northrop Corp., now known as Northrop Grumman Corp., between 1968 and 1986.

Gowadia moved from India to the U.S. for postgraduate work in the 1960s and became a U.S. citizen about a decade later. He moved to Maui in 1999.

The jury, after hearing 39 days of evidence over nearly four months, also found Gowadia guilty of attempting to sell classified stealth technology to the Swiss government and businesses in Israel and Germany.

His son, Ashton Gowadia, told reporters the jury wasn’t able to see documents that would absolve his father of the crimes because they were deemed classified. He said his father’s defense team would present these during an appeal.”

That last bit was the same defense that Cheney’s buddies used in the Valerie Plame case, I believe. I think it’s a crock.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 08:29:18

As foreclosures rise, so do lawsuits
Borrowers, prosecutors complain that banks are using unfair tactics when seizing homes
By Dean Calbreath, UNION-TRIBUNE
Monday, January 24, 2011 at 5:06 p.m.

Despite federal loan modification programs and a wave of government investigations and homeowner lawsuits, banks foreclosed on a record number of homes last year and seem poised to seize even more this year.

But in places like San Diego County, which was one of the first areas to experience the real estate collapse, the foreclosure rate appears to be slowing.

In fact California, in general, seems to be slowly emerging from the foreclosure mess, even as other states fall deeper in.

Alan Nevin, economist with Market Pointe Realty Advisors, expects that local foreclosures will drop significantly this year, bringing more stability to the housing market.

Gary London, economist with San Diego’s London Realty Group, also feels that the local peak in foreclosures probably came in 2009 — although foreclosures this year will remain near record-setting highs.

“The numbers this year will probably still be higher than the peak that we hit in the early 1990s,” he said, referring to San Diego’s last housing dip, when the end of the Cold War led to high unemployment among defense workers. “It’s not a pretty picture, but at least it’s going in the right direction.”

That kind of drop would be good news for the local economy, since it would help stabilize the housing market, bolster the finances of existing homeowners, and eventually lead to more home building, which would create new jobs in the beleaguered construction sector.

“The restabilization of the housing market and the recovery of job growth are both interrelated,” London said.

But, he added, even though a drop in foreclosures seems likely, there is no way of knowing for sure. If the county’s jobless rate continues to hover in the double digits, it could keep foreclosures fairly high as jobless homeowners struggle to pay their bills. In addition, there are no solid estimates about how much “hidden inventory” is lurking in the shadows — foreclosed homes that the banks are holding in the wings or troubled homes that the banks have not yet begun to officially foreclose upon.

A lot of the foreclosure inventory is hidden in the books of the banks,” London said. “We just flat-out don’t know how much there is and we never have.”

Nationwide, an estimated 1.8 million homes were foreclosed upon last year — averaging roughly three per minute — and that number could hit 2.1 million this year, according to Moody’s Analytics.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 08:30:46

Foreclosure Probe Adding to Shadow Inventory
Monday January 24, 2011

December’s foreclosure rate was only 257,747 - down 26% from the year before. This is just a temporary pull-back, driven by the investigations by the Fed, FDIC and states banks’ robo-signer foreclosure process. Once the government clarifies the new rules, expect foreclosure rates to increase. RealtyTrac says as many as 250,000 foreclosures are in the pipeline, and will drive 2011 rate up higher.

The foreclosure rate started dropping in October, when banks such as GMAC, JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America announced they were halting any new foreclosures until they figured out whether they were processing paperwork correctly. The FDIC is calling for a Commission to apply penalties to banks that have cut corners.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 08:33:49

HeHeHOHowHaHaBWaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!

One house, two banks: The property that sums up America’s mortgage nightmare
By Daniel Bates
Last updated at 6:51 AM on 24th January 2011

* Two banks lay claim to Staten Island house
* Homeowner caught in middle of foreclosure row

It is the one house owned by two banks that sums up the unintelligible mess that America’s mortgage system is in.

This detached suburban home on Staten Island in New York is at the centre of a bitter legal row between lenders Home123 Corporation and U.S. Bank.

Both have launched separate legal bids to take over the property and foreclose it, leaving the homeowner caught in the middle of a row which sums up the mess the mortgage system is in.

Comment by DinOR
2011-01-25 12:26:32

Seems the only fair thing to do is cut it in half right down the middle and..hey? Haven’t we heard that one before?

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 13:16:32

King Solomon’s idea for settling the question of parental rights?

Comment by DinOR
2011-01-25 16:13:54

I was thinking Newman when there was a dispute over Kramer’s bicycle but Solomon works? :)

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-01-25 08:44:40

Home prices fall in major US cities

By ALEX VEIGA The Associated Press

LOS ANGELES — Home prices are falling across most of America’s largest cities, and average prices in eight major markets have hit their lowest point since the housing bust.

The Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller 20-city home price index released Tuesday fell 1 percent in November from October. All but one city, San Diego, recorded monthly price declines.

Some of the worst declines have come in cities hard hit by foreclosures.

As of November, average home prices in Las Vegas have fallen 57.2 percent from their peak in August 2006 and are back to where they were in late 1999. Another foreclosure hotbed, Phoenix, is down 53.9 percent from its June 2006 peak. Average home prices there are back to where they were in 2000.Miami has fallen 48.8 percent from its peak in December 2006, and is selling at late 2002 levels.
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Here is the story not being told.

Palm Beach County home prices back to 2002 levels
by Jeff Ostrowski

In December 2010, the median price for a single-family home in Palm Beach County was $212,900. The last December that was this meager came in 2002, when the median price was $215,100.

The median price for a single-family home in Palm Beach County was

$130,200 in 1997

$130,500 in 1999

$149,600 in 2001

$241,300 in 2003

$390,100 in 2005
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Those 18,000 listed foreclosures in PB County today don`t include what has already been sold or what is still coming. Looking at houses over the last 3 years I have not found 1 distressed property that was purchased in 2001 or earlier, unless it was cash out refied of which I have found many more distressed properties than were purchased after 2001.

 
Comment by Elanor
2011-01-25 08:44:46

The ad at the top of today’s Bits Bucket is from Toll Brothers, telling us there’s never been a better time to buy a Toll Brothers home.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-01-25 09:03:00

Why Affordable Housing Matters
Jan. 24 2011 - 12:45 pm

Joel Kotkin

Compared with the U.K. and Australia, the U.S. housing market is more hopeful, with a host of regions — notably Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, Phoenix and Kansas City — with affordability rates around three and under. Low prices by themselves, of course, are no guarantor of success; in economically challenged places like Detroit and Cleveland, out-migration and high unemployment have driven prices down.

But in many, if not most, cases affordability has promoted economic and demographic growth. Generally speaking, affordable markets tend to draw migrants from overpriced ones, for example to Houston or Austin from Los Angeles or New York.

http://blogs.forbes.com/joelkotkin/2011/01/24/why-affordable-housing-matters/ - -

Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 11:20:30

It matters if you want a healthy middle class. If you want to strip mine the middle class’s wealth, you can’t beat unaffordable housing.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 11:37:02

If you want Wall Street investment banks to be able to profit at the expense of Main Street U.S. households, you can’t beat collusion by banks to withhold housing supply from the market.

Comment by DinOR
2011-01-25 12:28:51

I’m going to respectfully differ. We could set loose each and every REO on the bal. sheets and I don’t think it would make a lick of difference.

Unaffordability is here to stay. IMHO.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 13:14:42

“Unaffordability is here to stay. IMHO.”

Given that prices only tripled over the past decade or so and have already fallen by about half way back towards historic steady state multiples of local incomes, I am going to have to call you out as a pessimist.

 
Comment by DinOR
2011-01-25 16:26:34

PB,

LOL! Yeah I guess if the shoe fits!? More frustration than anything. As I’ve long said, any meaningful correction won’t come soon enough to be of any real USE to the vast majority of posters here?

Unless you’re in your early 30’s I’m none too sure how helpful buying a home -at- what it simply would’ve cost us Pre-Tripling is going to do?

Bully for you! You just paid FMV for your soon-to-be retirement home! Yea! Let alone bottomfeeding/flipping etc.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 09:13:25

President Obama’s State of the Union Address to Encourage American Worker Competitiveness.BSht Daily, Washington DC, Jan. 24, 2010

President Obama is to address American worker’s need to be more competitive on a global basis. Although America worker productivity has risen 400% in the past 40 years, all of that benefit has gone to shareholders and upper management and the reason is, “Effort. It’s attitude and effort. The American worker needs to just give it a little more effort just as management and our financial backers have done” President Obama’s spokesman explained to me over an ominous looking chalkboard, tree-shaped diagram of the American economic system.

Manipulating two puppets in ethnic garb he then added. “Think Chinese, think Mexican. Double up. Hot bunk. Do Americans need a week off a year? Do we need it or do we just want it? We need to bring back the pride of the American minimum wage worker who has the unique American opportunity to compete in a global labor market and not only to compete in a global labor market but to compete in that global market while living in the richest country in the world. To be able to do that with pride and duty to one’s country and family while remaining healthy is a unique American opportunity”
Continued page 5.

Comment by oxide
2011-01-25 09:29:49

Even if the American worker was reduced to sleeping in a hut and living on a bowl of rice a day, that still wouldn’t bring back manufacturing jobs. The cost of electricity and industrial pollution are enough to send factories overseas.

Comment by 2banana
2011-01-25 09:44:11

Car companies (for the last 20 years) building massive car factories in the non-union, right-to-work, low tax, motivated work force southern states would disagree with you.

FYI - the cost of electricity in most of America is cheap, plentiful and stable (you need all three) - especially compared with other industrialized nations.

Of course, if we ban coal and nuclear and think wind/solar is going to fill the gap, it won’t be.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 11:33:58

And car factories that have been offshored to Mexico disagree with you Mr. Platano.

You’d be surprised at how many cars sold in the US are built in Mexico. 79% of Mexico’s production (1,600,000 out of 2,000,000) is exported to the USA. Also bear in mind that Mexican cars are usually not counted as “imports”. VW’s built in VW’s plant in Puebla Mexico are counted as “domestic”.

Its only a matter of time until we are told that all those non-union shops are too expensive to be “competitive” and we will see the rest of them offshored along with all the other low paying manufacturing jobs (can you say textiles?) that have already been sent away.

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Comment by measton
2011-01-25 11:45:04

1. Huge tax incentives are given to those plants as well.

2. What percentage of non American gov Jobs are unionized. New Yorker says a whopping 7%. I don’t think you can blame unions for the mess we are in.

Banana will be happy in his hut eating rice knowing that labor has finally gotten what they deserve.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-01-25 12:39:49

Even the left-wing Slate disagrees with you:

Big Three, Meet the “Little Eight”
How foreign car factories have transformed the American South.

http://www.slate.com/id/2206525/

“Over the past two decades, enticed by cheap labor and massive incentives, a second auto industry has emerged: nonunion, Southern-based, and foreign-owned. Large plants, with names of Asian and European carmakers emblazoned upon them, now dot the Southern landscape. By moving aggressively into Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, Georgia, and Texas, foreign manufacturers—call them the “Little Eight”—have transformed the economic geography of the nation’s auto industry and the political debate surrounding its future.”

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 15:40:18

“and massive incentives”

There’s that pesky corporate welfare again.

Just wait … one by one those plants will go “bye-bye” as they too are offshored to places where autoworkers are paid $1/hr.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:10:36

The Toyota Tundra factory in Texas was closed after only being in operation for 3 years.

The official reason? The economy. Because it sure wasn’t the $12hr non-union jobs.

The Toyota factory in Cali was also closed in 2010.

The Slate’s article is just another fluff piece.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 13:13:38

BTW, most of those plants built in lower wage, non union states were built years, if not decades ago (some were built to get around now long gone import quotas on trucks), before the offshoring tsunami really began to hit. A lot of those plants are now stagnant, running reduced shifts, etc. When the time comes for the next big retooling they will probably be offshored. Why wouldn’t they be offshored? The $10/hr textile industry has been offshored.

Speaking of textiles, my brother used to work in that industry (in supply chain management). I once remarked to him that one rarely sees garments that are made in Mexico. His response? “Mexico is too expensive”

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Comment by exeter
2011-01-25 19:27:42

More Bananas, Butters, And Bile. ;) You’re cover is blown bile.

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Comment by polly
2011-01-25 10:07:05

BSht Daily?

Comment by Jim A.
2011-01-25 10:14:35

And here I was thinking The Onion…

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-01-25 10:11:58

Has he ever asked himself if lower house prices would help make American workers more competitive?

Comment by oxide
2011-01-25 11:39:10

And universal health care?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-01-25 11:48:17

Yes, but lower house prices would be easier to attain, in fact it would require taking no action at all…no action at all.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-01-25 12:56:16

Bank Withholding of High-End Foreclosures from the Market is Nationwide

The four counties which we have looked at reveal a clear pattern on the part of banks to withhold most repossessed homes from the market and nearly all of those listed on RealtyTrac for more than $300,000. Is this occurring throughout the nation? Take a look at the following table and judge for yourself.

FORECLOSED HOMES ON THE MARKET

as of July 16, 2010

Location
Repossessed Homes
Repossessed Homes on the Market
Repossessed Homes Over $300K on the Market

Cook County, IL
28,829
1,292
29

Miami-Dade County, FL
10,858
983
11

Orange County, CA
6,270
227
85

Bergen County, NJ
615
31
4

Cincinnati, OH
2,914
184
1

Seattle, WA
946
51
8

Nashville, TN
1,350
102
1

Denver, CO
2,782
223
10

St. Louis, MO
2,323
312
2

Phoenix, AZ
10,613
1,144
16

Will this bank strategy keep the market for homes over $300,000 from imploding? Not a chance.

 
 
 
 
Comment by michael
2011-01-25 10:56:17

“…American worker’s need to be more competitive on a global basis.”

let housing prices collapse faster and everywhere for starters.

Comment by lavi d
2011-01-25 16:08:57

let housing prices collapse faster and everywhere for starters.

A far bigger threat to the US economy is the throttling of innovation due to abuse of the patent and copyright system.

Far from “promoting the progress of the useful arts and sciences” as stated in the Constitution, patents are increasingly being used to either hobble competition or extort successful businesses. One need only take a look at the “Patent Thicket” surrounding the mobile device market to get a glmpse of the damage being done.

On the copyright side - ironically, largely thanks to the Disney corporation itself - if Walt Disney were starting out today, he probably wouldn’t be able to license the rights to the stories he originally appropriated for “Sleeping Beauty”, “Cinderella”, “Pinocchio”, etc.

The entertainment recording industries have sought to severely cripple, massively extort or outright shut down every innovative startup service that new technology has made possible in the last 15 years.

It’s instructive to remember that Hollywood vehemently fought the fantastically successful (for the movie industry) VHS machine with then-head of the MPAA, Jack Valenti, comparing it to “The Boston Strangler”.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 11:39:01

Making Homes Affordable through allowing housing prices to revert to normal multiples of income would go far to increasing American competitiveness. Too bad Obama has embraced the REIC’s doctrine that higher home prices are good, and affordable home prices are bad.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-01-25 12:06:37

Too bad Obama has embraced the REIC’s doctrine that higher home prices are good, and affordable home prices are bad.

Another reason why he has disappointed me. And I’ll ‘fess up to voting for the guy.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 12:10:10

“Manipulating two puppets in ethnic garb he then added. “Think Chinese, think Mexican. Double up. Hot bunk. Do Americans need a week off a year? Do we need it or do we just want it?”

Actually, Mexican labor law mandates paid vacations:

Years of service/paid days off
1/6
2/8
3/10
4/12
5-9/14
10-14/16
15 years/18 days

 
Comment by cactus
2011-01-25 18:38:51

American workers they should sell their organs do it for the corporation

 
Comment by cactus
2011-01-25 18:42:08

American workers need to work harder and invent some new must have invention so the Government can tax it, the Chinese can copy it and the Corporations can outsource it

So get busy

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:13:20

The American worker has the highest productivity in the world along with the least amount of time off of all the industrialized nations and the worst benefits and the pay is average.

So eff off Mr. President. You and your Wall St. masters can peddle that bullcrap somewhere else.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-01-25 10:25:11

The American worker is only non-competitive if you are judging the
situation from slave labor competition World wide without proper tariffs
and trade balances . To be competitive we would have to go down to a
dollar a hour ,but than how are we going to make our health care payments
of $1500 a month ? This debate has gotten absurd beyond belief ,but as
long as the PR machine controls the talking points to begin with solutions
are as absurd as the controlled talking points . Keep the people arguing over
the right to become rich while their Country is being stolen under their feet .

Comment by whyoung
2011-01-25 11:04:25

And take some time to browse and compare prices from here to abroad to see the differences (VAT taxes, etc.) for the stuff WE export to them. (Check Amazon UK, etc.)

When I was in France about a year and a half ago, I saw KitchenAid stand mixers in a dept store STARTING at around 700 Euros…
(And Yes I know it’s 220 instead of 110, but an 220 one for export can be bought from Amazon for around $380.)

Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 11:36:07

“When I was in France about a year and a half ago, I saw KitchenAid stand mixers in a dept store STARTING at around 700 Euros…”

Let me guess, the Krups and Moulinex mixers were a lot cheaper.

Comment by DennisN
2011-01-25 11:43:35

The French actually buy stuff made by Krups?

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Comment by CrackerJim
2011-01-25 12:33:12

It is likely they are all Made in China.

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Comment by whyoung
2011-01-25 12:49:31

The Kitchen Aid stand mixers are still made in Greenville Ohio.
Some of their other stuff is made elsewhere.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 13:19:50

We have one that’s about 15 years old. Still works lik its new. Definitely more expensive than the flashy made in China crap, but I know it will still work long after I take my dirt nap, probably in the kitchen of my yet to be born grandchildren.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-01-25 12:40:08

I would suggest that every American Company that has a manufacturing base in another Country be taxed as if they are a foreign Country and be taxed so high that it offsets the gains
made by exporting manufacturing . Not only are we losing the jobs
but we are losing spent money here that creates more jobs and we are losing the tax proceeds from income received in foreign lands
and we are losing the Social Security base .

Getting rid of all our long term structures so Wall Street and Corporate America can be just as opportunistic as a foreign
Country is setting the stage for a crash of America on every level .
This proposed rah rah talk about Americans being productive is just a return to slave labor and a loss of tax proceeds that benefit this
Country . The only thing I can conclude is that the Politicians are
smoking crack along with selling out to the lobbyist .

I suppose we are to be productive by applying for jobs in foreign Countries ,maybe China will give up their jobs to us .

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-01-25 10:25:58

Unemployment rises in 20 states, falls in 15

WASHINGTON – The unemployment rate rose in 20 states last month as employers in most states shed jobs.

The Labor Department says the unemployment rate rose in 20 states and fell in 15. It was unchanged in another 15 states. That’s nearly the same as in November, when the rate rose in 21 states, fell in 15 and was the same in 14.

The report is evidence that the job market is barely improving even as the economy grows. Most economists expect hiring to pick up this year, although the unemployment rate will likely remain high.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110125/ap_on_re_us/us_state_unemployment

In light of this dismal news on the jobs front, I sure hope Obama doesn’t pull that tired old “economy is improving” bullsh!t during his speech tonight, patting himself and his administration on the back for perceived successes steeped in fantasy. Here’s a hint, dude: It’s time for honesty, not dreamy hyperbole. You haven’t done jack sh!t. Start addressing the outsourcing of jobs, the importation of cheap, oftentimes illegal, labor, and bogus trade agreements. Get a f***ing spine and start standing up to bankers instead of being their little puppet. Quit appointing economic terrorists to your administration. Do something right for a change. Because you didn’t hold true on your “change” promise. It’s been more of the same. Disgusting.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 11:21:25

Housing prices and employment are falling in more places than they are rising. Long live the recovery!

 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2011-01-25 15:47:35

The report also says that the number of people laid off last year was dramatically less than the year before. This is a good example of how raw numbers are misused to prove a point. Let’s say that I have a small business that during the boom years employed ten people. Later, I had to lay off five of them — half of my company’s work force. Of those five remaining workers, I ended up having to lay off three of them. Even though I laid off fewer workers the second time, the percentage (60%) I laid off was higher. You know what they say about statistics and liars.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-01-25 10:55:14

260-room Jekyll Island hotel will close

The Jekyll Oceanfront Clarion Resort has notified the Jekyll Island Authority that it will cease operations on Monday.

No reason was given why owner Leslie Lurken is closing the hotel. Jekyll Island Authority documents show room revenue at the hotel declined by 10 percent from 2009 to 2010.

When Oceanfront Resort was remodeled in 2008, its plan relied on converting units to condominiums that would be sold.

Eric Garvey, a spokesman for the Jekyll Island Authority, says the authority is concerned about the property closing on such short notice. He says there are indications that the owner wants to sell the property and is optimistic that a new owner will take over.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-01-25 10:55:17

Why Are Banks Withholding Highend Repossessions Over $300,000 From the Market?

Posted by Keith Jurow 07/20/10 8:00 AM EST

Miami-Dade County, FL

Most readers know that the collapse of the housing market in south Florida has been more severe than anywhere except perhaps Las Vegas. A recent REAL ESTATE CHANNEL article reported that banks have been repossessing south Florida homes at a rate of 4,000 per month in 2010. That would seem to suggest that the foreclosure debacle might soon stabilize. Let’s see.

According to RealtyTrac, on July 16 there were 10,858 repossessed properties in Miami-Dade County. More than 2,100 have been held by the banks for more than a year without having been placed on the market and 600 for more than two years. Over 1,400 of these foreclosed properties were listed at more than $300,000.

Out of 10,858 bank-owned homes, a mere 983 were listed for sale. Nearly all were very recently placed on the market — after June 1 of this year. Only 11 of the 1,400 homes listed for at least $300,000 were actually on the market. Same as in Cook County. The problem is very similar. Trulia posted 13,114 Miami-Dade County non-foreclosed homes for sale at asking prices of more than $300,000. Only 21% have lowered their asking price. As with Cook County, most just sit … and sit.

Banks in the Miami area are also very reluctant to dump these higher-priced homes onto a still weak market. But they have the same problem that banks in the Chicago area are facing. RealtyTrac listed 22,753 defaulted properties for Miami-Dade County as of July 16. All have been put into default since late January of this year. Over 500 were defaulted in one day - July 15. More than 1,500 of these defaulted properties were listed at more than $300,000. All of these defaulted properties will be coming onto the market either as foreclosures or short sales.

http://www.realestatechannel.com/us-markets/residential-real-estate-1/real-estate-news-home-buyer-tax-credit-federal-housing-administration-loan-guarantees-fha-realtytrac-home-foreclosures-highend-home-repossessions-bank-reo-sales-2868.php - 68k -

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-01-25 11:03:15

Home Prices Fell 4.3% in November From Year Earlier, FHFA Says

U.S. home prices dropped 4.3 percent in November from a year earlier as the housing market struggled to emerge from the worst crash in seven decades, according to the Federal Housing Finance Agency.

The decline was led by an 11 percent slump in the region including Colorado, Nevada and Montana, the agency said in a report today. National prices were unchanged from October.

Mounting foreclosures are depressing home values as unemployment above 9 percent saps real estate demand. The share of people who said they intended to buy a home fell to 1.7 percent in November, matching the level at the end of 2009 that was the lowest in more than four decades, according to the New York-based Conference Board.

“The more jobs there are, the more people you have who are willing to buy houses,” Brian Bethune, chief U.S. financial economist at IHS Global Insight in Lexington, Massachusetts, said in an interview before the report.

The unemployment rate rose to a seven-month high of 9.8 percent in November before dropping to 9.4 percent in December, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The FHFA measures transactions of homes financed with mortgages backed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. The data are based on repeat sales transactions that compare prices of the same properties over time.

A separate report today showed home values in 20 U.S. cities fell 1.6 percent in November. The decline in the S&P/Case-Shiller index was the biggest in a year.

As measured by the National Association of Realtors in Chicago, the median home price was $170,200 in November, the period covered by the government report.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-01-25 11:09:12

FORECLOSED HOMES ON THE MARKET

as of July 16, 2010

Location
Repossessed Homes
Repossessed Homes on the Market
Repossessed Homes Over $300K on the Market

Cook County, IL
28,829
1,292
29

Miami-Dade County, FL
10,858
983
11

Orange County, CA
6,270
227
85

Bergen County, NJ
615
31
4

Cincinnati, OH
2,914
184
1

Seattle, WA
946
51
8

Nashville, TN
1,350
102
1

Denver, CO
2,782
223
10

St. Louis, MO
2,323
312
2

Phoenix, AZ
10,613
1,144
16

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2011-01-25 15:26:12

Useless data unless you know how many repossessed homes there are over 300k. If you’re listing 10% of the total homes for sale in Phoenix, and 10% of the +300k homes for sale as well, but only 5% of the foreclosed homes are +300k homes, you’re going to get statistics that look like the bank is ‘with-holding all the expensive properties!’ when really the percentage of homes in that price range on the market is the same.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-01-25 17:07:50

In SE Florida most of the foreclosed inventory that has been put on the market (like the place I sold for $192,500 in 2005 and sold at auction for $65,000 in 2010, which is what it was worth in 1999) has been lower priced. Anything that sold for $150,000 - $170,000 in 1999 and went up to $350,000-$450,000 like the house in the neighborhood I currently live in and gave a blow by blow refi by refi account of all the way through final judgement on Sundays Bits Bucket and another earlier in the week sit with the same people living in them that hadn`t paid the mortgage for years and still live there after foreclosure. This data may be useless, but it is exactly what`s going on here.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 11:14:33

Why Are Home Prices Still Falling?
Posted by Stephen Gandel Tuesday, January 25, 2011 at 12:40 pm

Employment is rising again. Consumers spent more in December than they have ever done before. And perhaps most importantly, for the first time in three years there seems to be a broad confidence that the economy will recover in 2011. So why are housing prices still falling?

On Tuesday, one of the most reliable readings of the housing market, the Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller 20-city home price index, showed that the housing market is still headed in the wrong direction. Overall, the index showed that home prices dropped 1.6% in November in major US cities. More depressing was that in eight of the cities house prices are at their lowest level since the start of the recession. It seems clear that whatever momentum the housing market got from the home buyer tax credit stimulus spending is long gone. What is also clear is that housing prices don’t seem to be getting much of a lift from the emerging economic recovery. Here’s why:

I have argued a number of times that I think housing prices are set to rebound. Based on incomes and interest rates, houses are generally rather affordable these days. And the economy is improving, so you would think that home prices would slowly start to rise again. But that hasn’t happened. So why is the housing market taking longer to thaw than the rest of the economy, or than you would think? There are a number of possible reasons.

Comment by cobaltblue
2011-01-25 14:43:45

“Employment is rising again. Consumers spent more in December than they have ever done before. And perhaps most importantly, for the first time in three years there seems to be a broad confidence that the economy will recover in 2011″

Wrong Wrong Wrong

Unemployment is rising.

The reason consumers spent more is because of inflating food and energy prices. At the cost of not paying their mortgage and other obligations.

Only insipid clowns with an psy-ops agenda would suggest anything except the DEPRESSION IS WORSENING.

Stephen Gandel = paid-for parrot

Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:19:41

We call them “tools.”

Just more propaganda in the “Not a Depression Recession.”

 
Comment by exeter
2011-01-25 19:22:33

Wrong…. employment is rising and you know it. Your Obama Derangement Syndrome has blinded you from reality.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 11:16:53

Home prices fall again: Eight keys to the housing market future

US home prices fell 1 percent in November compared with the previous month, according to a widely followed 20-city index released by Standard & Poor’s Tuesday. It’s the latest sign that, five years after home prices peaked, the housing market remains an important weak link in the economy. Still, housing experts say 2011 could be a pivotal year when home prices bottom out and a more stable environment begins to emerge. Here’s a look at the key issues.

- Mark Trumbull, Staff writer

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-01-25 11:18:34

Bergen County, NJ

Finally, let’s take a look at the Northeast. Bergen County is made up of fairly affluent communities which are located in northern New Jersey just west of the George Washington Bridge. Although home prices have dropped rather substantially since the peak, it has not been nearly as bad as in California or Florida.

RealtyTrac listed 615 repossessed properties as of July 16. Roughly 120 have been owned by the banks for more than a year without having been placed on the market. Two-thirds have been repossessed since the beginning of 2010.

Similar to the three other counties we have reviewed, many of the foreclosed properties in Bergen County are expensive homes. More than 100 are listed on RealtyTrac for $500,000 and above. More than 350 of these homes are listed for at least $300,000.

Are the banks withholding most foreclosed properties from the market as banks have in the other three counties? Absolutely. On July 16, there were only 31 repossessed homes on the market. A total of four were listed higher than $300,000. That is four out of more than 350 foreclosed homes in Bergen County that are listed on RealtyTrac for more than $300,000.

Bank Withholding of High-End Foreclosures from the Market is Nationwide

The four counties which we have looked at reveal a clear pattern on the part of banks to withhold most repossessed homes from the market and nearly all of those listed on RealtyTrac for more than $300,000. Is this occurring throughout the nation? Take a look at the following table and judge for yourself.

FORECLOSED HOMES ON THE MARKET

as of July 16, 2010

Location
Repossessed Homes
Repossessed Homes on the Market
Repossessed Homes Over $300K on the Market

Cook County, IL
28,829
1,292
29

Miami-Dade County, FL
10,858
983
11

Orange County, CA
6,270
227
85

Bergen County, NJ
615
31
4

Cincinnati, OH
2,914
184
1

Seattle, WA
946
51
8

Nashville, TN
1,350
102
1

Denver, CO
2,782
223
10

St. Louis, MO
2,323
312
2

Phoenix, AZ
10,613
1,144
16

Will this bank strategy keep the market for homes over $300,000 from imploding? Not a chance.

Fannie Mae (FNM) now requires an average down payment of 30% for securitized loans which it purchases or guarantees. According to Fitch Ratings, mortgage delinquencies for prime jumbo mortgages soared to 10.3% in May as underwater owners walked away in droves. That spells serious trouble for the five states which account for 2/3 of all outstanding jumbo loans – California, Florida, New Jersey, Virginia and New York. The problem goes well beyond these states, however. Housing markets throughout the United States for $300,000+ homes are in for rough sailing and prices are extremely likely to be headed for a real plunge.

The source of this article is the Real Estate Channel™ at http://www.realestatechannel.com. It is reprinted with their permission.

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-01-25 11:20:23

Official: Obama to call for 5-year spending freeze

WASHINGTON (AP) — A White House official says President Barack Obama will call for a five-year freeze in non-security, discretionary spending during his State of the Union address.

The official says the proposal will be part of the president’s plans to reduce the deficit that he will outline in Tuesday’s primetime address. The official says Obama will also call for lawmakers to back a five-year plan put forth by Defense Secretary Robert Gates to save $78 billion in defense spending.

Obama is under pressure from the public and lawmakers to cut spending. Several Republican lawmakers have proposed cutting $100 billion from Obama’s budget for the current year.

The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly ahead of the president’s speech.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 11:20:24

Does the REIC pay serial bottom callers to make stopped clock predictions for rising home prices in the near-term future?

U.S. Home Prices Now `Flat,’ May See First-Half Rise, Economist Case Says

By Kathleen M. Howley - Jan 25, 2011 9:13 AM PT

Home Prices in U.S. Dropped

Residential real-estate prices dropped in November by the most in a year, signaling housing has yet to join the U.S. rebound. Photographer: Jim R. Bounds/Bloomberg

U.S. home prices have reached a bottom and may be set to rise in the first half as buyers take advantage of increased affordability, said Karl Case, the economist who co-founded the S&P/Case-Shiller home price index.

“Prices have gone flat, bouncing around at what I think is essentially a bottom,” Case, a retired professor of economics at Wellesley College, said in a radio interview today on “Bloomberg Surveillance.” “We’re really going to have to wait to see what the spring market brings.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 11:27:10

The next leg down after the end of the $8K tax credit fueled dead cat bounce in housing is just beginning to show up in the Case-Shiller/S&P Index data. Given QE.1, QE.2, …, QE.n, it may be hard going forward to parse out real housing price declines against a backdrop of Fed-funded inflation.

The Atlantic Home
Tuesday, January 25, 2011
The Great Housing Reset Continues
Jan 25 2011, 12:30 PM ET By Richard Florida

Richard Florida is director of the Martin Prosperity Institute at the University of Toronto and author of the forthcoming The Great Reset and also Rise of the Creative Class. He is founder of the Creative Class Group.

U.S. housing prices are continuing to reset according to the latest Case-Shiller housing price figures.

Chart via Calculated Risk

Overall housing prices were down in November (based on a three month average that includes September and October) and eight cities — Atlanta, Charlotte, Detroit, Las Vegas, Miami, Portland (OR), Seattle, and Tampa saw their lowest housing price levels since the 2006-07 peak. The chart below charts the declines across the 20 cities covered by the Index.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 11:30:21

Note that Channel News Asia article does not refer to rising U.S. housing prices as “improvements.” I guess that terminology is something the U.S. REIC propagandists introduce?

US home prices still falling in November
Posted: 26 January 2011 0105 hrs

A ‘For Sale’ sign stands outside an existing home in Pasadena, California.

WASHINGTON: US home prices dropped in November for the fifth straight month after appearing to have bottomed out from mid-2009 to mid-2010, according to the monthly S&P/Case-Shiller index released on Tuesday.

The index, which maps prices in 20 key urban areas, fell 0.5 percent from October on a seasonally-adjusted basis, after a 1.0 percent fall the previous month.

It was also off 1.6 percent from the year-earlier figure.

All but four of the 20 metropolitan areas covered in the index fell.
Prices rose in Washington, San Diego, California; and Charlotte, North Carolina, while in hard-hit Las Vegas they were unchanged.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 11:35:01

Check out how writer for The Economist tries to spin the Case-Shiller/S&P data to explain why real estate may already be going up again. It seems more likely to me that we have had a few more months of falling prices since then, but then I am a confirmed bear.

The Economist
Your monthly Case-Shiller PSA
Jan 25th 2011, 15:00 by R.A. | WASHINGTON

THIS morning, the latest data on American home prices from the S&P/Case-Shiller index have come out, which means that it’s once again time to remind everyone what the Case-Shiller data are actually telling us. The new figures show a drop in prices of 0.5% in November, for a year-on-year dip of 1.6%. And this is generating headlines.

But recall, first, that these figures are from November, while it is very nearly February. Then remember that the Case-Shiller figures are a three-month moving average, which means that the latest numbers include sales from September, October, and November. And then think back to the fact that the data are for closed sales, and are included in the dataset at the time they’re made available to the public. That means that buyers may have submitted contracts for these sales as early as June.

What the latest figures capture is a general sense of the housing market in the early autumn, at which point the American economy was looking fairly soft. That doesn’t mean these numbers are illegitimate; it simply means that they should be understood in the appropriate context. They do not reflect poor housing conditions now, though housing conditions could be poor now. But in fact, other datapoints suggest that housing markets have turned up a bit since the autumn swoon.

Comment by oxide
2011-01-25 11:41:30

Duration duration duration… they can’t spin forever…

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-01-25 11:44:17

One fast emerging issue in our somewhat historic mayoral race (no not Rahm’s eligibility to run) is that residency requirements for city employees are being openly questioned and seriously debated for the first time in a long time.

Considering the inventory and price situation in the city proper, a change in the residency policy could indeed shift the trajectory of future price performance. Yes, it is too early to say for sure but this strikes me as an ominous development - largely because of my experiences growing up in the city during the 70s. And esepcially because muni employees are amongst the best paid and the most likely to sop up the inventory. Meanwhile, the pension and school issues look to lead to considerable tax hikes.

Lastly, it’s also worth noting that in this city’s history - suburbanization was borne out of the desire to escape higher taxes (and stricter building codes - such as indoor plumbing believe it or not!). That is why this region has so many suburbs, more than any other American city.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-01-25 11:57:37

I’d put Boston ahead of Chicago for suburbs, or rather for the city being a low percentage of the metro area even at its population peak.

The Chicago pension situation is dire. Someone is doing Rahm a favor. He’d be better suited to come in and rebuild to the extent possible after the collapse.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-01-25 12:01:20

Taco Bell Sued Over Meat That’s Just 35 Percent Beef ~ FoxNews.com

Taco Bell might want to change it’s “Think Outside the Bun” campaign to “What’s Really in That Taco?” after a class-action lawsuit filed against the fast-food giant claimed its taco filler doesn’t, um, “meat” federal standards.

The suit against the YUM-brands chain also has a “beef” with the company’s advertising, charging its claims of using “seasoned ground beef” or “seasoned beef” in its food products is false.

According to the suit filed by the Alabama law firm Beasley, Allen, Crow, Methvin, Portis & Miles, the YUM-brands owned chain is using a meat mixture that contains binders and extenders, and does not meet the minimum requirements set by the U.S. Department of Agriculture to be labeled as “beef.”

Attorney Dee Miles said the meat mixture contained just 35 percent beef, with the remaining 65 percent containing water, wheat oats, soy lecithin, maltodrextrin, anti-dusting agent and modified corn starch.

The suit was filed on behalf of Taco Bell customer and California resident Amanda Obney, who is not seek monetary damages, but instead wants a court to order Taco Bell to be honest in its advertising.

“We are asking that they stop saying that they are selling beef,” Miles said.

Comment by 2banana
2011-01-25 13:39:52

with the remaining 65 percent containing water, wheat oats, soy lecithin, maltodrextrin, anti-dusting agent and modified corn starch.

Taco Bell should sell these as “health food” vegan Tacos and charge double…

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-01-25 13:53:07

“Mmm, tacos!”

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 14:15:00

Man I wish they had a Taco Bell in Rio. They have KFC, McDonalds, Subway, Domino’s but no Taco nada.

The Pizza hut in Ipanema has valet parking and is where you’d take a fancy date. (the menu is pretty high end pizza)

I’ve been to none of those yet but Pizza hut a year ago and KFC a few times. I always order mash taters n coleslaw but the Brazilians always order the black beans which they say are surprisingly great.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-01-25 18:38:53

No taco stands in Rio? Sounds like a good business opportunity. What’s their equivalent fast/street food? Some sorta sammich?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 20:42:01

No taco stands in Rio? Sounds like a good business opportunity. What’s their equivalent fast/street food? Some sorta sammich?

I know of 4 sit down places in Rio with “Mexican Food” but it’s a bit expensive. Rio people don’t try new stuff easily and the word on the street is that Mexican food is “heavy” or fattening which I find funny because a lot of Brazilian food is “heavy”er. They really don’t know much about it except the few who’ve lived in the USA.

Common street food is sandwiches, pizza slices, meat filled pastries and fried meat filled dough ball things, carne asada sorta dishes and plates of the day with rice/beans and some kind of meat and juice bar stands with about 40 different kinds of fruits. In general the food is very good but I don’t like the doughball meat pastry stuff.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:23:22

Fast food company cuts corners?

I’m shocked. Just shocked, I tell you.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-01-25 12:13:50

Polish board game recalls communist hardship
Jan 25, 2011 - Associated Press - Monika Scislowska

WARSAW, Poland – You won’t get to build hotels or collect rent in a new Polish board game reminiscent of Monopoly. In fact, you may be lucky even to get a pair of shoes.

Poland’s state-run National Remembrance Institute has created the new game — called “Kolejka,” which means queue or line — to help young Poles understand the hardships of life under communism.

In the game, players are tasked with buying a number of goods, but a lack of deliveries, shortages and the connections competitors have to communist authorities turn the task into a string of frustrations.

“We want to show young people and remind the older ones what hard times these were and what mechanisms were at play,” said Karol Madaj, the game’s creator.

Players try to buy basic goods but food supplies run out before they reach the counter. If a bed is needed, they may be offered stools instead. Players needing the shop’s last pair of shoes can get edged out by someone holding a “mother with small child” or “friend in government” card.

“We want to show how it was when you lost your chance because someone with high connections jumped the line,” said Madaj, a 30-year-old who still remembers spending long hours with his mother in lines.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-01-25 14:40:14

We need “Monopoly, 21 Century”

Banksters make up the rules in their favor, as the game progresses.

Like getting a stack of “Get out of Jail Free” cards every time you pass “Go”……while at the same time, having a bunch of money thrown at you.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-01-25 19:17:06

Like getting a stack of “Get out of Jail Free” cards every time you pass “Go”……while at the same time, having a bunch of money thrown at you.

Only for the people who already own houses and hotels. Everybody else pays when they pass Go.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-01-25 12:17:54

Hatch Act penalties call for violators, at most, to be removed from their government positions, so the report would appear to have no impact now that the Bush administration has been out of office for two years.

(Yawn) ;-)
Cheney-Shrub Shadow effects come into “public domain” …years later.

Associated Press / Pete Yost, Associated Press – Mon Jan 24, 2011

WASHINGTON – The White House Office of Political Affairs during the George W. Bush administration violated the law by giving briefings to political employees, concludes a government report issued Monday.

Motto for the “Untouchables / Indemnified!”: “See ya!”

GoldenmanSucks Inc.
Countrywide Inc.
Feddy&Ginny&FancyMac Gov’t/Inc.
Wall St. “TrueFinancialCult™” Inc.
Medical Industrial Complex Inc.
Military Industrial Complex Inc.

Where’s the “punishment”?

“You sir, what say you?”: ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koY6kXhQDQo

Comment by polly
2011-01-25 15:08:37

Garbage. We do ethics training every summer and in election years they often include the Hatch Act. Hatch Act violations, depending on how severe they are can lead to removal from position, $5000 fines, 5 years in a federal penitantiary or any combination of the same.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-01-25 18:55:52

Name the top five in the last 5 years. Any names the public would recognize?

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:25:40

The Bush admin was breaking the law? In fact, many laws?

I find that hard to believe. :roll:

NOT

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-01-25 12:22:28

Uh-oh. WSJ reports that houses of worship are having trouble paying their mortgages too.

Comment by 2banana
2011-01-25 13:44:30

Since 2008, nearly 200 religious facilities have been foreclosed on by banks

Hmmm - let me do some math on this.

200 religious facilities foreclosed over 4 years = 50 a year.

50 states in the union =

1 foreclosed religious facilities per state per year.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-01-25 14:21:09

Well, out here in CA, seems like “they” spent d more time on “interior designs” than on the “designed interiors” of their congregation. ;-)

 
Comment by DennisN
2011-01-25 16:45:04

Who exactly is on the note for a church? The pastor? I have thought about this too….who would lend money to a congregation with only the church building and land as collateral? It’s not like they have a proper income stream like a business would. And a church building is so specialized that it would appear to have poor resale value.

Are church mortgages the ultimate “liar loans”?

Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:26:51

Don’t kid yourself. I’ve seen many churches empty and for sale.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-01-25 12:31:58

(This might give Crissy Cox indigestion if he receives this news while eating a lobbyist’s lunch at an undisclosed location in “Facist’s Island”, Newport Beach, CA.)

SEC Gives Shareholders Vote on Pay for Companies’ Top Executives
By Jesse Hamilton

Jan. 25 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission gave shareholders the right to weigh in on pay packages for top executives to increase scrutiny of compensation practices blamed for fueling Wall Street risk-taking.

SEC commissioners voted 3-2 today to enact the say-on-pay measure that will subject compensation plans to non-binding shareholder votes as often as once a year.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:28:47

WHAT? The SEC is giving some power back to shareholders?

Have I suddenly been transported to an alternate universe?!

Dear god! This can’t be real!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-01-25 12:32:08

* From Kitco News

Paul dropped the news in the interview, indicating that the bill still does not have an official name yet but will be unveiled at the start of the new U.S. Congress.

“If there was no question, you’d think they would be very anxious to prove to us that the gold is there,” he said.

This is not the first time the congressman has made his pitch. “In the early 1980s when I was on the gold commission, I asked them to recommend to the Congress that they audit the gold reserves – we had 17 members of the commission and 15 voted not to the audit,” said Paul. “I think there was only one decent audit done 50 years ago,” he said.

Though Paul did not say whether there is any truth to claims that there is no gold in Fort Knox or the New York Federal Reserve, he said, “I think it is a possibility.”

“If we ever get around to deciding we should use gold in relationship to our currency we ought to know how much is there,” said Paul. “Our Federal Reserve admits to nothing and they should prove all the gold is there. There is a reason to be suspicious and even if you are not suspicious why wouldn’t you have an audit?” he said.

The gold audit follows his crusade last year looking to audit the Federal Reserve, which he says is the chief culprit behind the economic crisis.

“I don’t think the Federal Reserve should exist – it would be best for congress to exert their responsibilities and that is find out what they are doing”’ said Paul. “It is an ominous amount of power they have to create money out of thin air and being the reserve currency of the world and be able to finance runaway spending whether it is for welfare or warfare; it seems so strange that we have been so complacent not to even look at the books. If we knew exactly what they were doing, who they were taking care of, there would be a growing momentum to reassess the whole system,” he told Kitco News.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 12:42:58

I never heard of this lady but she’s very dangerous. She tells poor people to vote and for the unemployed to protest and stuff. What a nuttball. Good thing we have patriots targeting her free speech nonsense. And who they callin’ pseudo-populist right? Like as if I know what that is.

Glenn Beck Targets Frances Fox Piven

http://www.thenation.com/article/157900/glenn-beck-targets-frances-fox-piven

DIE YOU C&%T. It was not the first piece of hateful e-mail Piven had gotten, nor would it be the last. One writer told her to “go back to Canada you dumb bitch”; another ended with this wish: “may cancer find you soon.”

Piven was unnerved but not surprised. These are not pretty e-mails, but they appear positively decorous compared with what has been written about her by commentators on Glenn Beck’s website, The Blaze, where she’s been the target of a relentless campaign to demonize her—and worse. There, under cover of anonymous handles, scores of people have called for Piven’s murder, even volunteering to do the job with their own hands. “Somebody tell Frances I have 5000 roundas [sic] ready and I’ll give My life to take Our freedom back,” wrote superwrench4. “ONE SHOT…ONE KILL!” proclaimed Jst1425. “The only redistribution I am interested in is that of a precious metal…. LEAD,” declared Patriot1952. Posts like these are interwoven with ripples of misogyny, outbursts of bizarre anti-Semitism and crude insults about Piven’s looks (she’s actually a noted beauty) and age (she’s 78).

This fusillade was evidently set off by Piven’s recent Nation editorial calling for a mass movement of the unemployed ["Mobilizing the Jobless," January 10/17]. But Beck has had Piven in his cross-hairs for some time.

…In Beck’s telling, because Piven and her comrades on the left support civil disobedience in some circumstances, it is they—not the heavily armed militias of the radical right—who threaten Americans’ safety.

It’s tempting not to dignify such ludicrous distortions with a response. But in brief: Piven, throughout her career as an activist and academic, has embodied the best of American democracy. It has been her life’s work to amplify the voices of the disenfranchised through voter registration drives, grassroots organization and, when necessary, street protest. The way economic injustice warps and erodes our democracy has been a central preoccupation. But passive lament has never been her game. Recognizing the leverage that oppressed groups have—and working with them to use it—is her special genius.

It’s perhaps not surprising, then, that the pseudo-populist right finds her so threatening.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-01-25 13:37:45

Other headlines from The Nation

New York City to Disabled: Take a Hike (Health, Law)
The city’s Taxi and Limousine Commission plans to approve even more inaccessible taxis.

Jesse Lemisch

Stealing the Constitution (Conservatives and the American Right, The Constitution)
Inside the right’s campaign to hijack our country’s founding text—and how to fight back.

Garrett Epps
39 comments

Does Contraception Count as Prevention? (Healthcare Policy, Reproductive Rights, Conservatives and the American Right)
If an Institute of Medicine–appointed committee says yes, health insurance plans could be required to cover birth control free of charge for policyholders.

Sharon Lerner
9 comments

The Obama Agenda: 5 Big Ideas for 2011
Tuesday’s State of the Union will be one of the most closely watched of Obama’s presidency. Five prominent Democratic strategists tell The Nation how Obama can stand strong against a divided Congress.

Ari Berman
Posted January 21, 2011

Paul Ryan, the Republicans’ ‘Thinker’
Katrina vanden Heuvel
January 25, 2011
In his State of the Union response, Paul Ryan will no doubt be respectful, and sorry that he must dissent from the president’s course. Don’t be fooled.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-01-25 14:03:38

If an Institute of Medicine–appointed committee says yes, health insurance plans could be required to cover birth control free of charge for policyholders.

In Iran, women of reproductive age can get the Pill for free. It’s provided by the Iranian government.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-01-25 16:34:10

In Iran, women of reproductive age can get the Pill for free. It’s provided by the Iranian government.

…no benefit for Iranian men whatsoever.

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Comment by wmbz
2011-01-25 14:23:29

I’ve never heard of her or her husband, but their “strategy” sure is simple, take money from the evil rich and redistribute it to the deserving poor. Brilliant and it’s never been tried before!

– Richard Cloward was a “DSAer”

The late sociologist Richard Cloward, was together with his wife, Frances Fox Piven, the originator of the famous Cloward Piven Strategy.

Allegedly adopted by ACORN and other groups on the left, the strategy involved deliberately loading as many people as possible onto state welfare rolls, to the point where the system was bankrupted. The systemic crisis thus created would provide pretext for demanding fundamental change at the federal level: wholesale income redistribution — in other words, socialism.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 16:33:31

I’ve never heard of her or her husband, but their “strategy” sure is simple, take money from the evil rich and redistribute it to the deserving poor. Brilliant and it’s never been tried before!

I’ve really never heard of them before today, should blog about capping them?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 17:12:35

correction:

I’ve really never heard of them before today, should WE blog about capping them?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 17:10:10

Cloward Piven Strategy….Allegedly adopted by ACORN and other groups on the left, the strategy involved deliberately loading as many people as possible onto state welfare rolls, to the point where the system was bankrupted. The systemic crisis thus created would provide pretext for demanding fundamental change at the federal level: wholesale income redistribution — in other words, socialism.

After doing 5 min of research on this thing it seems your description (apparently pulled off some righy blog from New Zealand?) is intentionally misleading and inflammatory. Wiki implies the only people they encourage to “load” onto the welfare roles were one’s eligible to receive welfare already with the goal to basically raise pay for the poor. OMG! Living wages would mean less CEO money and that ain’t right because the CEO’s would loose their wage subsidy “stolen” from the workers.

Whatever, because that isn’t the main point anyway. I don’t really call a living wage “socialism” but even if I did, I wouldn’t threaten those who call for it with DEATH as so many did on Beck’s blog

But not being a nutjob Glen Beck fan, that’s just the way I roll.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-01-25 19:04:54

Glenbeckinstan! = Get Angry! Buy Gold! Get Angry! Buy Gold! Get Angry! Buy Gold! Get Angry! Buy Gold! Get Angry! Buy Gold! Get Angry! Buy Gold!

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Comment by Magic Kat
2011-01-25 12:48:29

Just read on Marketwatch that gold closed at three month low.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gold-futures-resume-downward-path-2011-01-25

The next story posted says that Obama is going to propose some sort of spending freeze in his speech tonight (like Nixon?)

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-to-propose-spending-freeze-in-speech-2011-01-25

What do you suppose this will do to the price of gold? Professor? Ben?

=j.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 15:09:54

“The next story posted says that Obama is going to propose some sort of spending freeze in his speech tonight (like Nixon?) ”

He can propose all he wants. In the end the right wil spend more on the military, the left on social programs, both will continuing bailing out TBTF buisnesses and the Fed will proceed with the current iteration of QE.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-01-25 16:49:01

The melt-up at the end of the day was Wall Street’s bet that Obama and the Fed will announce yet more stimulus trillions to shovel into their porcine snouts. Belt-tightening and sacrifice is so Main Street.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2011-01-25 12:52:23

It’s the next big shoe to drop in the robo-signing foreclosure scandal. Call it part two.

We already know some banks halted foreclosure sales nationwide in October when it was discovered that servicers took short cuts, so-called “robo-signing” in the foreclosure sale process in judicial foreclosure states - about half the country.

Now it appears they may have done the same thing in a different part of the process, the Notice of Default, which takes place in the other half - i.e. the non-judicial states - this happens before the foreclosure sale.

Those Robot signers really made a mess

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-01-25 13:03:10

Now it appears they may have done the same thing in a different part of the process, the Notice of Default, which takes place in the other half - i.e. the non-judicial states - this happens before the foreclosure sale.

ISTR that the above describes Arizona. And this is a non-recourse state.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 13:12:32

Does this explain the huge drop off in California foreclosures late last year?

Just remember, the shadow inventory always goes up!

 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-01-25 14:59:19

Actually, the mess was made by the Robo Loan Officers they replaced.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2011-01-25 13:23:02

More green shoots on the home front?

Zillow’s Monthly Real Estate Report for Mesa, AZ

According to Zillow’s Real Estate Market Reports for November 2010, Mesa home values were down 2.5% compared to October 2010 and down 17.9% compared to November 2009.

 
Comment by whyoung
2011-01-25 13:27:30

Egypt protester stares down a water cannon in Cairo

csmonitor(dot)com/World/Backchannels/2011/0125/Egypt-protester-stares-down-a-water-cannon-in-Cairo-video

Apparently Tunisia as been inspiring…

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-01-25 17:08:38

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/01/20111251711053608.html

People in the Middle East have suffered for years under corrupt, despotic governments and economic privation. The straw that is breaking the camel’s back seems to be soaring prices - see 1:22 on the video, where a desperate careworn housewife, not the sort you’d expect to see in a street protest, says as much.

This food inflation is thanks in no small part to Ben Bernanke’s creation of trillions of dollars out of thin air and helicopter drops (POMO) of .25% interest gambling money on his favored TBTF bankers so they can blow asset bubbles and drive up commodities, including food, with taxpayer-backed speculation. Bernanke, the Administration, and Congress seem to think that stock market bubbles are the sole indicator of economic well-being, at least for the wealthiest 1% of the population who own 50% of the stocks (and fund political campaigns). They either don’t know or don’t care about the truly dangerous and destablizing forces they’re unleashing on the rest of the world.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 18:32:09

They either don’t know or don’t care about the truly dangerous and destablizing forces they’re unleashing on the rest of the world.

I’m seeing quickly rising food prices in Rio and it will affect the poor more than anyone.

Ben Bernankle is a tool and a fool.

Prices in China and Brazil have skyrocketed recently, and the worry is that their inflation will be exported back to the U.S. in the form of higher prices for consumer goods

See full article from DailyFinance: http://srph.it/i1KtJr

Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:34:06

“consumer goods” = (wait for it… wait for it…) imported food.

How’s that for irony?

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Comment by measton
2011-01-25 13:29:43

For eight years after the United States resumed running large budget deficits in 2002, China was the largest lender, buying a fifth of the new Treasury securities sold

But over the last year, China has been a net seller of Treasury securities, according to figures released this week by the American government. If that is true, it would be extraordinary, considering the size of the bilateral trade deficit, and there has been speculation that China has been purchasing Treasuries through accounts in other countries.

The Treasury Department estimated that China reduced its holdings of Treasuries by nearly $11 billion in November alone. For the 12 months through November, as the accompanying charts indicate, China reduced its holdings of Treasuries by more than $36 billion.

For the first 11 months of 2010, American banks, institutions and individuals bought about three-fifths of the $1.5 trillion of additional Treasury debt, while China sold some and other foreign jurisdictions bought the rest.

It is not easy to see how the Chinese government managed to keep its currency from rising more rapidly against the dollar if it did not continue buying Treasuries in 2010, and there has been speculation that it shifted purchases to accounts managed by British money managers.

If so, such purchases would show up as British purchases. As it turns out, Britain is estimated to have been the largest purchaser of Treasuries over the 12-month period, adding $356 billion to its holdings. That made it by far the largest buyer, followed by Japan. The only other major seller during the period was Russia, according to the government estimates.

businessinsider.X com/is-china-secretly-buying-us-treasuries-through-the-uk-2011-1#ixzz1C54dVdY6

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-01-25 13:48:19

Google plans to hire more than 6,200 workers this year in company’s biggest expansion yet

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Google plans to hire more than 6,200 workers this year in the biggest expansion yet by the Internet’s most profitable company.

While President Barack Obama is expected to encourage more hiring by businesses during his State of the Union address Tuesday night, it is not yet clear how investors will react.

Google Inc. work force grew by 23 percent last year and some investors may be leery of expansion plans that could crimp earnings.

The company outlined its plans Tuesday with The Associated Press without providing specifics beyond its pledge to hire more people than it did 2007 when it added 6,131 workers. Google began this year with 24,400 employees.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 15:15:45

“Google Inc. work force grew by 23 percent last year and some investors may be leery of expansion plans that could crimp earnings.”

Heaven forbid, this hiring could lead to even greater revenues and profits in the future! I guess investors have the same mentality as the people on those stupid Wentworth commericals (the guys who buy annuities): I want my money and I want it now!

 
Comment by butters
2011-01-25 19:30:11

2/3rd of the jobs will be outside USA. Still better than others I guess.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:35:38

Nobody with less than a masters need apply.

Comment by butters
2011-01-25 19:47:50

And it better be from Ivy league.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 14:28:12

Is it Better to Rent or Buy a Home?
By Mike Schuster January 25, 2011 11:18 AM

Let’s face facts: We’re no spring chickens anymore. We can’t keep hobnobbing or rubbing elbows with the neighborhood youngsters forever. In fact, those teens and twenty-somethings seem more grating with each passing year.

It might just be time to relocate to a quieter town. Leave the hustle and bustle of a large city to the saplings and maybe settle into a suburb. The slower pace and lack of subterranean sardine cans would probably do wonders for one’s lifespan.

But the question remains: “Should I rent or buy?

With the housing market still on shaky ground, one might assume that there are some pretty amazing deals out there. But that doesn’t necessarily mean buying is the best option.

Real estate search site Trulia crunched some numbers and developed a web app which breaks down the Rent vs. Buy question for America’s 50 largest cities.

As you can see from the map, there’s virtually no logical reason why someone should be buying in New York City. However, you’re much better off buying a two bedroom apartment or condo in Miami.

Trulia derived its system by comparing the median list price and the median rent in each of the 50 cities. If the list price was more than 20 times a year’s worth of rent, your best option is to rent. If it was less than 16 times, you may want to consider buying. Based on the map, ol’ Gotham is the worst place to buy and Las Vegas was the worst place to rent.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-01-25 14:49:32

However, you’re much better off buying a two bedroom apartment or condo in Miami.

Until the next big hurricane hits. And, in Miami, it’s not a matter of if, but when.

 
Comment by chilidoggg
2011-01-25 15:37:32

Wow. What’s the problem with Kansas City and Memphis?

Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:37:18

Memphis?

Ever heard of the New Madrid fault line?

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-01-25 16:34:49

Total BS. There is no way to calculate the risk of joining a condo/HOA. The rent/own ratio doesn’t factor this…

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-01-25 15:05:34

“The American worker is only non-competitive if you are judging the
situation from slave labor competition World wide without proper tariffs
and trade balances . To be competitive we would have to go down to a
dollar a hour ,but than how are we going to make our health care payments of $1500 a month ? Keep the people arguing over the right to become rich while their Country is being stolen under their feet.”

What is it Ben says about foreclosing on those who cash-out refied or HELOCed? As far as he is concerned, they sold their house to the bank.

Same thing with trade. If we didn’t collectively cooperate by going deeper and deeper into debt, the only way we could get the Yuan and Yen and Euros and Pesos to import was by exporting goods and services of equal value. We might import less, and we might export more. But without debt it would have to balance.

We are collectively selling our country, not having it stolen. It’s just that some of us don’t agree with the deal.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-01-25 15:13:32

“We are collectively selling our country, not having it stolen. It’s just that some of us don’t agree with the deal.”

It depends on who you are talking to. The middle class was never asked if they agreed to the offshoring of their jobs or to massive budget and trade deficits. In come cases they chose to buy Toyotas or Hondas, but in most cases we are given no choice anymore/

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 16:44:16

premise: “We are collectively selling our country, not having it stolen. It’s just that some of us don’t agree with the deal.”

Retort: It depends on who you are talking to. The middle class was never asked if they agreed to the offshoring of their jobs or to massive budget and trade deficits. In come cases they chose to buy Toyotas or Hondas, but in most cases we are given no choice anymore/

Not only were we not asked but when the big decisions came down, NAFTA, China MFN etc. we were LIED to. (Don’t worry buddy, it will create all these new, “better paying” jobs)

Being sold a bill of goods by misrepresentation is fraud.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-01-25 19:10:57

The big decision has been made by individuals, who failed to save/went into debt in their own lives, and voted for pols who promised more in exchange for less in government.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:42:24

Hard to save when your new job you had to retrain for and take a pay cut keeps getting offshored every 5 years.

So off course they voted for any pol who promised more in exchange for less in government. Duh. After all, wasn’t it the government’s fault the jobs were leaving and pay was going down while prices were going up? :roll:

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-01-25 16:53:05

The middle class was never asked if they agreed to the offshoring of their jobs or to massive budget and trade deficits.

The middle class voted overwhelmingly for statist, corporatist, pro-bailout Obama and statist, corporatist, pro-bailout McCain. They return the statist, corporatist, pro-bailout Establishment Democrats and Republicans, a.k.a. the Republicrats, to power election after election. Their representative or senator is always one of the good guys; it’s the rest that are the black hats.

The middle class are tools and fools who are getting EXACTLY what they voted for.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-01-25 17:26:37

The middle class are tools and fools who are getting EXACTLY what they voted for.

Here’s why you’re right but wrong too.

OK, so we’re tools n’ fools. But that is precisely WHY we are a Republic and not a pure Democracy. That was the REASON we set up our government that way. SEE? That’s the plan. Our elected officials have a DUTY to their country and people and not just money and special interests. Don’t scoff at that part because this actually worked pretty well for us until lately. It did!

Historically we are also a 2 party Republic. So you tell me how rational it would be to expect Americans to start a new viable party in this corrupt bastardized Democracy of unholy campaign financing and corporate media control.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-01-25 17:32:02

So you tell me how rational it would be to expect Americans to start a new viable party in this corrupt bastardized Democracy of unholy campaign financing and corporate media control.

On principle, I refuse to vote for parties and candidates that are completely corrupted by corporate financing. I’m not playing the Republicrats f***ing game anymore.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-01-25 19:07:40

I’m not playing the Republicrats f***ing game anymore

:-)

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-01-25 20:11:53

Fraud on such a wide scale basis in securities was not something
I voted for . If a Country is victimized by a “massive fraud “,than
the culprits and the system that allowed it must be brought to
Justice .People paying into social security for 40 years is not a fraud but Wall Street selling fake securities to get playing money
is .Corporations sitting up manufacturing in other Countries such as Mexico ,yet expecting to sell to Americans with favorable tax
treatment is treating the USA like a fool .Underfunding pension plans is the trick of Corporate bad faith in which they wanted the
dedication of the worker but didn’t want to pay in the end ,or they think a re-structuring will throw the liability on the taxpayers .

Who should pay for all this bad faith going on . The taxpayer pays about 200 billion to cover credit default swaps that AIG
made bets on misrepresented securities without reserves to back it . The Feds made short term loans for billions on junk misrepresented securities and other assets that the parties
knew were worth far less . Since when does the taxpayers take
the loss for private unregulated entities in money games .

These are the situations that have cracked the back and created a disconnect between Wall Street /Corporate America /Insurance Companies and the Majority of Citizens in the USA .

The heist was not transparent and the TALKING CON ARTISTS
were faking the people out so they could pull off the heist .
Who would of suspected it until after the fact ? So, in this regard the Citizens are a victim of a takeover of government in which the heist wasn’t transparent and the Ponzi scheme was
mass marketed with no counter-data .

You had Ben Jones Blog objecting to it and a few others ,but
overall the people were deceived in large part and
brainwashed by the mis-information ,that is just starting to come out now .

You didn’t have Citizens voting for getting fooled by lying representatives and non-transparent cover-ups . Look how long it took the Feds to reveal any information of what they did .

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by chilidoggg
2011-01-25 15:34:28

What is the reason for the recent surge in volume in VXX, with little change in the price?

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-01-25 16:35:19

I’d love to be on this jury. The SEC has either willfully colluded with fraudsters like Madoff (and the TBTF banks) or are criminally incompetent. My guess is the former.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-25/madoff-ponzi-victims-allege-sec-negligence-in-suit-against-u-s-government.html

Madoff Ponzi Victims Sue U.S., Alleging SEC Negligence

Victims of Bernard L. Madoff’s Ponzi scheme sued the U.S. government, alleging negligence on the part of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

The lawsuit filed today in Manhattan federal court by nine investors in Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC follow similar suits also assailing the SEC, which failed to detect Madoff’s multibillion-dollar fraud until he turned himself in.

“The SEC must be held accountable and responsible for its own negligent actions and inactions that directly and proximately caused the loss of billions of investor funds,” the complaint says.
Kevin Callahan, a spokesman for the SEC, didn’t immediately return a call.

The case is Applestein v. U.S., 11-cv-521, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-01-25 17:08:28

Madoff Ponzi Victims Sue U.S., Alleging SEC Negligence

Victims of Bernard L. Madoff’s Ponzi scheme sued the U.S. government, alleging negligence on the part of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

And they do have a point. There was a fraud investigator (whose name escapes me at the moment) who was ringing alarm bells about Madoff during the late 1990s.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-01-25 19:44:09

Exactly.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 16:51:17

UPDATE 1-BofA’s Countrywide sued, accused of massive fraud
Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:38pm EST

* TIAA-CREF, NY Life, others allege “massive fraud”

* Plaintiffs say they were misled about risk

* Bank says will review complaint (Adds comment from Mozilo lawyer)

NEW YORK, Jan 25 (Reuters) - Bank of America Corp’s (BAC.N) Countrywide mortgage unit has been sued by investors claiming they were victimized in a “massive fraud” when they bought mortgage-backed securities.

The lawsuit was filed on Monday in a New York state court by 12 plaintiffs including the TIAA-CREF fund family, New York Life Insurance Co and Dexia Holdings Inc.

According to the complaint, the investors bought hundreds of millions of dollars of Countrywide securities from 2005 to 2007 that they thought were “conservative, low-risk investments.”

The investors said Countrywide misrepresented the securities’ safety in offering documents and elsewhere, and compromised their investments by ignoring its underwriting guidelines.

As a result, the complaint said, most of the securities now carry “junk” credit ratings rather than the “triple-A” ratings they once had, resulting in “significant losses.”

The plaintiffs want compensatory and punitive damages.

Bank of America spokeswoman Shirley Norton said in a statement that the lender would review the lawsuit, “but on first glance these sound like large, sophisticated investors who now want to blame someone for the fact that the declining economy caused their investment to lose value.”

Other defendants include several former Countrywide officials, including longtime Chief Executive Angelo Mozilo.

David Siegel, a lawyer for Mozilo, said the lawsuit has no basis in law or fact.

“We expect to prevail against these plaintiffs as we have against other sophisticated MBS investors,” Siegel said.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-01-25 17:10:19

David Siegel, a lawyer for Mozilo, said the lawsuit has no basis in law or fact.

“We expect to prevail against these plaintiffs as we have against other sophisticated MBS investors,” Siegel said.

Don’t be so sure, buddy.

This time, you’re up against TIAA-CREF, among others. The Eight Letters and Hyphen have a very good track record in court.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-01-25 17:51:17

The TBTF banks will always prevail against accountability for their systemic fraud. The whole system is set up to ensure that outcome.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-01-25 17:13:18

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-25/new-york-prosecutor-seeks-mandatory-prison-sentence-in-securities-frauds.html

Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. said he wants harsher penalties, including mandatory prison time, for people convicted of major securities fraud in New York.

Vance said in a speech at New York City Bar Association in midtown Manhattan today that he will call on the legislature to change the Martin Act, New York’s securities fraud statute. He said he will seek prison sentences of as long as 8 1/3 years to 25 years for frauds involving more than $1 million. The crime now carries no minimum prison sentence, regardless of the money involved.
“The flexibility of the Martin Act and its utility in the battle against criminal fraud is marred by its overly lenient penalties,” Vance said in the speech, titled “White Collar Crime in 2011: The Martin Act, Cybercrime and Beyond.”

A great idea, but nothing will come of it. The Republicrats will see to that.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-01-25 19:04:27

“The worst of the recession is over…” Barack Obama 1/25/11

“Gentleman, you have come sixty days too late. The depression is over.” - Herbert Hoover, June 1930, after post-crash stock market rally of 48%

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 21:26:58

Mentions of “housing” in State of the Union speech = 1; mentions of “foreclosure” = 0.

Seems like they have thrown in the towel on trying to rescue the housing market, which actually makes sense from the standpoint of limited government, something the Republicans are trying to usher back into practice.

P.S. There is actually a good reason to put the management of salmon at sea under the jurisdiction of a different federal agency than riparian salmon. The management issues are vastly different on land than at sea.

Transcript: Obama’s State Of The Union Address
January 25, 2011

We live and do business in the information age, but the last major reorganization of the government happened in the age of black and white TV. There are twelve different agencies that deal with exports. There are at least five different entities that deal with housing policy. Then there’s my favorite example: the Interior Department is in charge of salmon while they’re in fresh water, but the Commerce Department handles them in when they’re in saltwater. And I hear it gets even more complicated once they’re smoked.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 21:44:50

Who is buying now in San Diego? I have to guess it is mainly investors, as there is no jobs recovery and would-be end-user buyers are generally broke.

U.S. home prices slide into ‘double dip’
After rebounding last year with help from tax incentives, home sale prices fell in November — the fourth month-to-month decline in a row — according to the Case-Shiller Index.

By Alejandro Lazo, Los Angeles Times
January 26, 2011

A “double dip” in home prices appears to be underway in the nation’s biggest cities, jeopardizing the tepid U.S. economic recovery.

The widely followed Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller Index, which tracks the real estate market in 20 major U.S. cities, showed that prices dropped 1.6% in November from the same month a year earlier, the second consecutive year-over-year decline. What’s more, the index fell 1% in November from October, marking the fourth consecutive monthly decline.

Last year, a recovery in housing prices seemed to be on track. But analysts now say that that improvement was juiced by home-buying tax credits that have now expired. In addition, unemployment has remained stubbornly high and millions of Americans are still at risk of foreclosure.

A second slide in home prices would act as a drag on the economic recovery — and stand in sharp contrast to other downturns. During the real estate crash of the 1990s, for example, prices slowly but steadily improved from their bottoms.

“It is going to be a rocky bottom, where we bounce around,” said Stan Humphries, chief economist at Zillow.com, a real estate information site. And, after that, “it is likely that real estate appreciation won’t keep up with inflation.”

The Case-Shiller Index, released Tuesday, showed that nine cities — Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago, Detroit, Las Vegas, Miami, Portland, Seattle and Tampa — hit fresh bottoms, falling to the lowest levels since prices peaked in 2006 and 2007.

California’s coastal cities and the nation’s capital were the only apparent bright spots in the report, with Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco and Washington showing year-over-year gains. But when measured month to month, the index declined for every city except San Diego, which inched up 0.1% in November from October.

Comment by rms
2011-01-26 00:55:04

Here’s a comment from the article:

“Don’t worry about home prices. Obama will raise Medicaid so all fatherless children get free homes. Jesus will pay for it since he loves us.”

Nice to see citizens feeling safe in the bosom of government.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 21:47:13

Housing Crisis Hurts Home Owners and the Economy
Tuesday, January 25, 2011

TOM HUDSON: Home prices continue their slump, Susie. Today’s S&P Case Shiller index shows overall housing prices were down in November.

SUSIE GHARIB: Tom, housing is surely still one of the big trouble spots in the economy. Here are a few key takeaways from today’s report. Home values dropped by 1.6 percent between November of 2009 and last year. Home prices fell in 19 out of 20 cities tracked by the index. San Diego was the only city to show a price increase. Eight cities hit new post-bubble lows in November. We’re talking here about Atlanta, Charlotte, Detroit, Las Vegas, Miami, Portland, Seattle and Tampa.

HUDSON: This is not just bad news for home owners. As Erika Miller explains tonight, some fear it threatens the economic recovery.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 21:52:23

New cracks appear in U.S. housing
JEREMY TOROBIN
OTTAWA— From Wednesday’s Globe and Mail
Published Tuesday, Jan. 25, 2011 10:47AM EST
Last updated Tuesday, Jan. 25, 2011 6:46PM EST

The world’s biggest economy is gathering steam, but the housing sector at the heart of the U.S. financial meltdown more than two years ago is still lagging far behind.

In some cities, it’s never been worse. In nine markets, prices fell in November to new lows from their peaks in 2006 or 2007. Sixteen of 20 cities tracked by the closely watched S&P Case-Shiller index saw year-over-year declines. In Atlanta, for example, prices plummeted almost 8 per cent. Over all, U.S. housing prices fell 1.6 per cent from the same month a year earlier, the sharpest 12-month drop since December of 2009.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 21:55:26

It was different in California during the last recession — no housing bottom until 1996 or 1997.

U.S. housing prices likely to keep on dropping
Jan 25, 2011 16:05 EST
By Martin Hutchinson
The author is a Reuters Breakingviews columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.

U.S. house prices are down 31 percent from their peak. But they may have plenty further to fall. The 1993 low for the Case-Shiller 10-city index was almost another third below the current level in real terms. Lenders had better hope that inflation outpaces rising interest rates, lessening future declines.

The bottom of the last housing recession was in October 1993. At that time, the Case-Shiller 10-city index had declined a mere 8 percent from its peak in March 1990, and substantial price falls had occurred only in Southern California. The overall economy was emerging from a recession that was shallower than the one just experienced. The unemployment rate, for example, topped out at 7.8 percent then, against the recent high of 10.1 percent. However, interest rates were higher. The 30-year mortgage rate in October 1993 was 6.8 percent compared with 4.3 percent in November 2010.

Real incomes have risen about 15 percent since 1993, but because of the deeper downturn just experienced, it’s feasible that inflation-adjusted house prices could decline close to their 1993 lows — particularly if mortgage interest rates rise to where they were then. If that happened, it would mean house prices falling a further 27 percent. Among the metropolitan areas included in the Case-Shiller data, the pain would be worst in Boston, New York and Los Angeles.

This scenario doesn’t, however, necessarily give home buyers a reason to delay a purchase. If mortgage rates rise and house prices decline as outlined, the monthly payments on a 30-year mortgage to buy a given property would be only 4 percent lower than today. The effect on banks’ mortgage portfolios, by contrast, would be severe. High rates of foreclosure in the worst affected areas could drive house prices down even further.

Inflation may come to the rescue. If consumer prices overall rise by 20 percent over the next, say, five years, a mere 12 percent fall in house prices would bring them down to the inflation-adjusted low of 1993. For lenders, the future health of their portfolios may depend on the result of the race between inflation and interest rates.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-25 21:57:45

“…if mortgage interest rates rise to where they were then. If that happened, it would mean house prices falling a further 27 percent.”

Good thing low mortgage rates are with us to stay, or this point would be worrisome.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-01-25 22:51:46

Wow ,falling another 27 % .

Now 50 million people are living in poverty ,so don’t think they will
be purchasing a house . Hedge fund managers taking home 4 billion a
year with favorable tax treatment .Over a 150 billion in bonuses for
about a thousand people .Corporations and Wall Street sucking up money and not reinvesting in the USA along with taking jobs outside
the Country . No innovation here because the production base is lacking to create innovation .70 million baby boomer retiring at about
3 to 5 million a year for the next 20 years . Health care costs beyond any sustainable price .Prices rising in other countries in part due to
the Wall Street speculation arm creating it .States going BK ,services being iced and no money for obligations . Jobs outsourced and manufacturing either put in other countries or Middle men making
the spread on Foreign manufacturing .Erosion of USA tax base ,yet
more need for government taxes for welfare .Wall street casinos
not closed down so more bubbles created .Competition with slave labor making competition impossible thus creating business destroying monopolies .

Low paying jobs ,wages not keeping up with inflation and debt ridden people everywhere .Unemployment closer to 17 % .Government takeover by special interest groups making Congress ineffective . Secondary mortgage market relying on government insurance .

The foregoing is creating a situation that is not sustainable

I would suggest that a good model to go by is when the USA was functioning at it’s best ,which would be models from the past ,but you could minus the overkill with military .

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-01-26 00:12:41

* JANUARY 25, 2011, 4:20 P.M. ET

UPDATE: BofA Resumed Default Notices Last Year After Brief Halt

(Updates with more details from company statement, closing share price.)

By David Benoit
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)–Bank of America Corp. (BAC) confirmed Tuesday that during its nationwide moratorium on foreclosures last fall, it also stopped delivering notices to delinquent homeowners that typically inform borrowers the bank is starting foreclosure.

The bank resumed foreclosures it had halted, along with notices of disclosure, in December.

 
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