Whatever. I personally don’t envy wealth, and I don’t resent it, so long as the wealthy don’t have a license to steal from me.”
Trudat. Most teachers have this attitude, that’s why industrialists hate teachers: we don’t need railroad companies, insurance conglomerates, and oil wars to be happy.
I want to make shirts that say, “I was in the TEA party before being miserable was cool!”
Sub taught today in Bend. Made $150. Had fun teaching Alg 1,2… unfortunately I left the teachers graphing calculator on her desk a moment too long. It disappeared. Since it prolly won’t re-appear, I figure I’m out about $150. (It was entrusted to me!) I love teaching though, watching those pretentious kids learn. My surgeon’s daugter was in my pre-calc class.
That’s about it for industry around here. Medical, dental, education. Lots of ready lots and tons of empty homes; too expensive for average joe to buy destined to gather cobwebs.
and Bend is laying off high school teachers this year, eliminating what is deemed fat; but is sustinence for some (interior design nixed). Sports funded at high school; but no PE to speak of in elementary. Kids PE teacher was laid off and now our kids get 2 days/week taught by their own classroom teachers. Also same with music. And my wife serves em up 200 hot meals and 75 breakfasts all by herself. cooking, charging, stocking, etc. For 3.5 hours(she has to take 1.5 hrs off btwn breakfast and lunch; even though she could generate charge slips and get more payments and “free and reduced” apps processed w/ a little more time. But more time=bennies. So she has to beg to get even 15 extra minutes to clean up after processing 200 meals in 1.5 hrs. And since she is short staffed and the meals are small; middle schoolers sneak extra lunches(k-8 community school). Something’s gotta give its bare bones.
Guess we shoulda paid those property taxes…..along with all those other working shlubs who cant make ends meet.
~There are a couple thousand banks on the critical list from what I am reading, and the top 10 a not surprising. Not that it matters, but it is being very well hidden from public view, not that the general public cares.
FDIC’s Bair: Banks may need new capital buffers.
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair said in an interview published Monday that regulators may want to require large financial institutions to have separate capital buffers for their investment banking units.
“I think [for] the very largest ones we will need to see some structural changes. I’d like to get some public comment on the idea that if you have an investment banking affiliate… that [should be] on stand-alone liquidity and capital,” Bair told the Financial Times.
Bair’s comments come as the FDIC released a report saying that had the Dodd-Frank bank reform law been in effect when Lehman Brothers collapsed in 2008, management there would have sought a deal more urgently, creditors would have gotten substantially more and faster, and systemic instability would have been limited.
The failure of Lehman Brothers and the institution’s cumbersome bankruptcy process shocked the markets and subsequently led regulators to approve a more than $180 billion bailout of troubled insurer American International Group Inc.
Isn’t that what the 1932 Glass–Steagall act did quite effectively all the way up until 1999 when William J Clinton signed off on its repeal?
The corporate media news coverage of the Fwank-Dudd “banking reform” fig leaf sure did an excellent job of completely ignoring Glass-Steagall and the fallout from its repeal. I wonder why?
And let’s not forget it was Phil Gramm (R- (McCain’s Economic Advisor) who helped draft the repeal of Glass-Steagal.
Both parties are equal organized crime syndicates.
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Comment by fisher
2011-04-19 11:31:26
No argument from me on that!
Comment by Awaiting
2011-04-19 17:50:35
fisher
Yeah, it’s sad, isn’t it. Becoming a Political Atheist is so freeing.
Comment by fisher
2011-04-19 18:28:31
I voted for that a-hole in ‘92. Never quite forgave myself.
What infuriates me is the sweet deals private equity firms receive from the FDIC. In many cases it’s the very same people who ran the banks in to the ground in the first place….
Just a brief recap on local banking loan stupidity, death of a bank and the miraculous lifeboat escape of the sinking ship by the CEO and his executives.
The largest bank in Wisconsin, M&I Bank, to be sold and Associated Bank, which was number 2, is now the largest bank in the state.
“After two years in the red and facing a still-bumpy road back to profitability, Marshall & Ilsley Corp. said Friday it would be acquired by the Canadian parent company of Harris Bank, a move that should invigorate the wounded M&I franchise but will cost Milwaukee a corporate headquarters.
M&I, which is the largest bank based in Wisconsin, agreed to be acquired by Toronto-based BMO Financial Group - known in Canada as the Bank of Montreal - in an all-stock deal valued by the companies at $4.1 billion.
…M&I became a shrinking bank over the last three years as it wrote off hundreds of millions of dollars of loans that went belly up after the housing bubble burst in the late 2000s, leaving M&I with loans that residential and commercial real estate developers and homeowners couldn’t pay back. Many of the loans were in M&I’s Arizona market, where property values have plummeted and M&I has ended up selling off houses and real estate projects at a loss.
…Although M&I has made progress in cleaning up its loan portfolio, the challenging path back to making a profit - plus the prospect of having to raise more capital before it could pay back the $1.7 billion it got from the U.S. Treasury’s Troubled Asset Relief Program - probably made the idea of merging into a bigger, stronger partner appealing for the M&I board of directors and management, analysts said.
…Furlong, who also is M&I’s chairman, will become CEO of the combined U.S. personal and commercial banking business, based in Chicago. He stressed that the bank’s commitment to the Milwaukee area will remain strong.”
It was said that non-performing loans in Arizona and other places killed this bank. Nah, I followed this bank for years and watched it’s it’s demise for years.
It was the arrogant management risk, massive greed and sheer stupidy that killed the largest bank in Wisconsin. Don’t you dare blame Arizona M&I.
Oh yeah, and keep that idiot chairman that ran the largest bank in Wisconsin bank into the ground on board in with the new bank corp and give him a huge bonus. Way to Go !!
It was said that non-performing loans in Arizona and other places killed this bank. Nah, I followed this bank for years and watched it’s it’s demise for years.
It was the arrogant management risk, massive greed and sheer stupidy that killed the largest bank in Wisconsin. Don’t you dare blame Arizona M&I.
To the above, this Arizonan says, “Kiss my cactus.”
And, M&I, while you’re at it, smooch a gila monster as well. They’re really good at putting arrogant, greedy, and stupid people in their place.
“If you can jump through the hoops to get a mortgage, and there will be hoops, then this is an amazing time to purchase real estate,” said Robert Stein, a senior economist at First Trust Portfolios LP in Wheaton, Illinois, and the former head of the Treasury Department’s Office of Economic Policy. “There are going to be a lot of people kicking themselves a few years from now because they didn’t take advantage of the low prices and the low mortgage rates.”
sure thing Bob, how many people are kicking themselves who bought since 2002???????
“There are going to be a lot of people kicking themselves a few years from now because they didn’t take advantage of the low prices and the low mortgage rates.”
Is he suggesting higher mortgage rates will lead to higher prices? In violation of the laws of economics?
If we still were in the home we bought in 2002 we’d be paying it off this year. Pretty home on an acre w/low taxes. We had updated almost everything in the home and I’m talking about roof and windows, not granite and stainless. Sounds idyllic but we weren’t happy there. Everyone’s happier in a 180* way this rental. It’s about the community as well as the house.
CarrieAnn
We sold a 4,000 sq ft hilltop view home with all the trimmings. We weren’t happy. We didn’t like any of the neighbors, the HOA, and decided fancy wasn’t our answer. Nothing idyllic about it. We weren’t “connected” to our home either. It’s about a home, not a house.
The only thing I miss from my 5400 sq. ft. house on 1/2 acre in Chandler, AZ is the rapid appreciation I saw from 2004 and 2005. When it finally sold in 2006, after I had moved into a 1600 sq. ft. rental with very little yard, I never slept better. It was the same bed that I had in the big house and when I closed eyes at night it all looked the same. The only thing that was different was the 400k that I had in the bank after the sale.
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Comment by mikey
2011-04-19 08:26:23
Spring is here with a late snow fall and yet another thump hits the peasants and housing in the broke and destitute Kingdom of FitzWalkerstan. All is not well in the land.
Even the robins appear as dazed and confused as the RE agents hopping around lost while the squirrels search the horizon for a white knight riding in with a wheel barrow full of money, jobs and unsalted peanuts.
“MADISON, Wis. — Home sales and the median price of those houses in Wisconsin took another tumble in March.
The Wisconsin Realtors Association said sales of existing homes declined 18.5 percent and the median sale price dropped 9.6 percent compared to the same month last year. About 3,700 homes were sold statewide last month, compared to about 4,600 in March of last year.
The median price of homes sold in March was $123,000, down from $136,000 in March 2010. Association president Bill Malkasian said buyers were “highly motivated” last year because of the federal homebuyer tax rebates.
Malkasian told the Journal Sentinel that mortgage interest rates and income levels have remained about the same as last year.”
it changed over the years and the HOA really went up, it was time to go. I rent because it just didn’t make sense to buy at the time I sold. I broke the move up buyer chain instead of rolling the equity into another over priced home I cashed out.
9 out of 10 people thought it was a very bad move at the time
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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-04-19 19:24:21
“…9 out of 10 people thought it was a very bad move at the time…”
Awesome timing, which leads to a suggestion: On the outside chance that you might someday want to buy again, wait until 9 out of 10 people tell you it would be a very bad move.
“If you can jump through the hoops to get a mortgage, and there will be hoops, then this is an amazing time to purchase real estate,” said Robert Stein
Just trying another tack to fleece the public. Pretty hard to eat corn on the cob with no f—–g teeth, eh Stein?
“There are going to be a lot of people kicking themselves a few years from now because they didn’t take advantage of the low prices and the low mortgage rates.”
About 2 years ago, didn’t the NAR run a TV commercial with that exact same hook?
Data point from Tucson: I think that real estate agents are looking for buyers any way they can.
A few weeks ago, I regaled y’all with the story of the agent I used when I bought the Arizona Slim Ranch back in 2004. Guy was a well-regarded local buyer’s agent. As agents go, he did all right by me.
But his attitude became a real turnoff. He was focused on the upscale golf community buyer, and, well, that just isn’t me. And the nabe in which the Arizona Slim Ranch isn’t exactly what you’d call upscale.
But, if you crave golf, you’re welcome to go over to Mansfield Park and whack a few balls. Plenty of room over in our park for that sort of thing. Just watch out for the kite flyers, cricket players, joggers, and pickup basketball games.
After I moved in here and experienced a variety of problems — both toilets breaking down in the first week of my residency, washer biting the dust, cooler needing replacement — the guy dropped me like a hot rock. I guess I wasn’t fitting into his upscale target demographic. Or something like that.
I even got cut off of his e-mail newsletter list. ISTR that was back in early ‘05. And I heard nothing from him until his “connect with me on LinkedIn” request of a few weeks ago.
I ignored that request.
In yesterday morning’s e-mail, I got a message from him. It was one of those single paragraph messages that filled the better part of the screen. (Dude, there’s this wonderful keyboard thingie called the “Enter” key. Use it to create paragraph breaks.)
I gave up after reading just a sentence or two. The great wall of text was too durn hard to read. The gist of it was that he was with a new agency, and then it appeared to trail off into REIC-speak.
Guess he’s after me because it’s been almost seven years since I bought this place, and I guess that, in his world, that means that I should be a move-up buyer.
Well, he would be wrong. The thought of paying more money just to have a wigwam around me leaves me cold. And I suspect that I’m not alone in this sentiment.
Same old lines, “better buy now before it goes up”, “lowest rates now”etc. Only a real fool would buy now with all the cover up of houses off the market and not exposed to the public/marketplace!
Even though I don’t think that “real,” or inflation adjusted prices will see any noticeable rise over the next 5 years, it’s possible that snagging a house now, with a fixed low rate mortgage could well pay off IF inflation kicks in. A double digit wage/price spiral would eventually make those future mortgage payments significantly less than either rent, or the payments on a high interest rate mortgage, even if the real purchas price was less. I’m not asserting that scenario is LIKELY, but I wouldn’t dismiss it as fantastical in the way that the RE industry dismissed the idea of national price declines.
Also, if our currency falls relative to other currencies, there’s certainly a chance that foreign buyers will come in and buy at what appears to be high prices to us (in USD), but low prices for them (in their currencies).
That, IMHO, is the biggest threat to sidelined buyers.
That may prove true through the lens of the rear view mirror. If so, there will be plenty of unsold inventory twisting in the wind for would-be buyers to choose from once rates head back up towards historic norms. Those with savings available to cover a 20% downpayment will be able to easily find a home to purchase at fire sale prices, and the money they put in as a downpayment will offset the higher future interest rate, as you only pay interest on the principle balance of the mortgage, not on your downpayment.
It’s a sign you need to check your yard for morels quite often during this time of year. If yours are still intact, they’re probably fine to eat. The weather or an animal or their own weight probably knocked them over. If they’re rotting or moldy or withered, you missed your chance.
“What happens when the US credit rating gets downgraded?”
It’ll put more pressure on Congress to get real about our budget and maybe a few other things.
It’s all good, IMO. We, as a country, up until a few years ago, were on the road to doom. Now we are enduring the painfull process of changing the direction we were headed.
I’m with you. There is an increased likelihood after yesterday that the Congress and Obama will feel the urgency and hence find the means to agree on how to avoid a debt rating downgrade.
“…up until a few years ago, were on the road to doom. Now we are enduring the painfull process of changing the direction we were headed.”
So far we’re enduring nothing. Exactly the opposite, we’ve pressed the pedal firmly to the metal. This entire mess is picking up speed. $1.65 trillion deficit, 11% of GDP and you see a turn around? Where? Military spending off limit. Social security of limit. Medicare/caid off limit. Interest on debt of limit. So 67% of the budget are off limit to address a 40+% shortfall. On the other hand, tax increases off limit. It’s mathematically impossible to come even close to a balanced budget within that framework.
You have a point: looks bad at the moment. But the incentives to change course just were ramped up a lot. Wrenching adjustment dead ahead; exact nature of adjustment to be determined…
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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-04-19 06:26:24
So is this an incentive to make changes that have impact or just accelerate the presentation of hocus pocus accounting tricks?
I don’t know how any candidate could have missed that they were being elected this year to roll up their sleeves and do some dirty work. Yet here we sit w/the same refusals to make hard choices we’ve always had. Many in Congress have turned into the same type of mamby pamby spineless wonder they campaigned against. Is it the lobbyist money that turns their attention or the death threats from those who don’t want their punch bowl taken away? FWIW, I don’t think this movie has a deus ex manchina plot twist.
Comment by rms
2011-04-19 06:44:00
“Wrenching adjustment dead ahead; exact nature of adjustment to be determined…”
Switch to AM/PM coffee rather than the regular latte?
Comment by Montana
2011-04-19 13:04:51
“Yet here we sit w/the same refusals to make hard choices we’ve always had.”
There isn’t a day go by that the local media doesn’t a story about Program X that is so great and necessary and positively mustn’t be cut!!1! Everyone’s griping, cut the other guy not me blah blah. Our local media is so lazy you know that some bureaucrat had called the publisher or station manager, bent his ear and got the sob story written.
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-04-19 19:33:57
“Switch to AM/PM coffee rather than the regular latte?”
Funny coincidence: I joined a friend for coffee this afternoon; craved a latte, but have spent so much as of late on volatile food and energy purchases that I had but $1 left in my wallet. Ended up buying a plain small cup of joe.
“It’s mathematically impossible to come even close to a balanced budget with that framework.”
Which means the framework will be changed, which is what has begun to happen.
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Comment by lucy
2011-04-19 10:22:28
No, it means we will keep printing $s, and the debt will be downgraded and then we will default. If you want to see our future, watch what is about to happen in Greece.
Comment by Big V
2011-04-19 10:26:40
Lucy:
I think there is a choice to either print some more money (which has not yet been done) OR to default. I’m trying to figure out how they could end up doing both.
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2011-04-19 12:59:27
You’re thinking small! Print Money, Default, AND Cut Entitlements!
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-04-19 19:31:52
“If you want to see our future, watch what is about to happen in Greece.”
Yes I see more potholes and broken cracked roads not getting fixed slower traffic…more damages to cars…and yet guvmint employees still get a raise his year.
This entire mess is picking up speed. $1.65 trillion deficit, 11% of GDP and you see a turn around?
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Comment by MrBubble
2011-04-19 06:51:49
“yet guvmint employees still get a raise his year.”
Those people a just a touch better off than you. Don’t be a crab and pull them back into the bucket. Keep your anger more focused on the 1000 or so who did this, be they on a yacht in an affluent suburb of NYC or in DC. Or maybe this game of three card monte is working on you?
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-04-19 07:32:30
Mt Bubble:
Its the serious stupidity that irks me…everyday and nobody is smart anymore…
For example last week they were towing cars on our street so they can replace all the light poles and fixtures on a Wednesday….
Yet on Thursday we have alternate side parking and that whole side is empty at 11am-1 pm no towing no overtime no wasting time struggling to get light fixtures around parked cars to avoid damaging them
all because they couldn’t read a street sign.. and have some common sense…and i see this happening all the time….stupid stupid stupid
Comment by MrBubble
2011-04-19 10:52:00
Fair enough. That has always seemed like a money making endeavor than a cleaning one. I used to get those occasionally in SF and for not curbing my tires on a hill. So I just bailed out of the system and sold my car. I know that you can’t bail out of every system, but I’m sure trying!!
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-04-19 19:37:23
“yet guvmint employees still get a raise his year.”
Bowing to growing budget concerns and months of Republican political pressure on federal pay and benefits, President Obama today announced he would stop pay increases for most of the two million people who work for the federal government.
The freeze applies to all Executive Branch workers — including civilian employees of the Defense Department, but does not apply to military personnel, government contractors, postal workers, members of Congress, Congressional staffers, or federal court judges and workers.
“Getting this deficit under control is going to require some broad sacrifices and that sacrifice must be shared by the employees of the federal government,” Obama said in a speech Monday afternoon explaining the decision. He added, “I did not reach this decision easily, this is not a line item on a federal ledger, these are people’s lives.”
The freeze would take effect on Jan. 1, pending Congressional approval by the end of this year. The 2012 pay freeze will be proposed as part of fiscal 2012 budget proposals to be unveiled early next year.
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Comment by CA renter
2011-04-20 03:04:14
I have no problem with pay freezes, but the cuts are what hurts most — and we’ve had plenty of these in the past few years in local govt.
If teachers, police, firefighters, etc. can take a cut, then our Dear Representatives can take a cut, too, BTW.
The FED will have to buy up more junk/treasuries.
A few basic oberservations:
1. Left to the free market, interest rates on treasuries would increase sharply.
2. Much higher rates would severely restrict borrowing by the government.
3. Restricted borrowing would necessarily lead to restricted spending and lots of sacred cows would have to be slaugthered on the federal and local level.
Military, pensions, food stamps, medicare, unemployment insurance, education, police, teachers, etc.
4. Reduced spending as outlined above would lead to 30+% unemployment with only marginal government assistence in the form of unemploymeny insurance or food stamps.
5. This would lead to wide spread riots. Without well equipped and loyal security forces in place those things can get out of hand rather quickly. History books are full of examples.
Summary: While inflation destroys the value of capital, the main assest of the capitalist, it is still preferable to the alternative which is an angry mob destroying the capitalist himself.
My money is on more QE and an eventual credit downgrade of the US and other major western economies. This does not necessarily lead to hyper inflation but a 10-20% inflation rate is probably sufficient to keep this wreck of an economy moving along for a while. Politicians will always chose the path of least resistance and will at the very most plan 4 years ahead.
I lived in Germany in the 80s. Anybody that would have predicted the demise of the Soviet Union in about 1983 would have been considered a tin foil hat lunatic. I would have bet the farm that I would never see the Berlin Wall come down in my life time. Goes to show, sometimes things not even imaginable today can happen faster than anybody can anticipate.
The deficit is 11% of GDP. If you print up 11% of GDP year after year you get inflation. That money finds it way into the economy rather quickly in form of salaries, social security, food stamps, goverment contracts, etc.
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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-04-19 06:35:00
What if billions of dollars (trillions?) have gone poof from people’s balance sheets?
Does that balance it out?
Comment by In Colorado
2011-04-19 07:50:09
“What if billions of dollars (trillions?) have gone poof from people’s balance sheets?
Does that balance it out?”
It depends. Money in balance sheets usually just sits there, especially if it isn’t cash. Unrealized gains don’t cause inflation. Printing and spending does.
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-04-19 08:59:31
But do “unrealized losses”/mark to fantasy = deflation?
All this printing has been done to address the massive holes in the banks balance sheets. None of it is leaking/trickling down to Main Street.
We aren’t too far from a point where a little bout of price inflation (especially fuel) makes a bunch of jobs net money losers; IOW, they will be better off financially by staying home, than losing money going to work. Starting with all those minimum wage service jobs the high school/college set are working.
Of all the proposed “solutions” to the nation’s problems, getting more money to J6P seems to be about #893 on the list.
Comment by In Colorado
2011-04-19 09:34:45
Of all the proposed “solutions” to the nation’s problems, getting more money to J6P seems to be about #893 on the list.
Not surprising, since the objective is to siphon away whatever wealth the middle class still possesses.
Check out the 1973-1982 period for an idea of how this can work.
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Comment by Big V
2011-04-19 06:46:16
Was the US downgraded during that era?
Comment by Steve J
2011-04-19 07:55:14
Ratings are reletive. Every other country was doing worse during that time period.
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-04-19 19:41:30
“Was the US downgraded during that era?”
Don’t know. But inflation ran at double-digit rates for several years straight, interest rates skyrocketed to double-digit levels (e.g. 30-yr Treasury yield of 14 pct or so), until big Paul Volcker tightened credit and broke inflation’s back.
But the inflation that was created before then stays priced in forever.
“Anybody that would have predicted the demise of the Soviet Union in about 1983 would have been considered a tin foil hat lunatic. I would have bet the farm that I would never see the Berlin Wall come down in my life time. Goes to show, sometimes things not even imaginable today can happen faster than anybody can anticipate.”
Which is why I definitely see the break-up of the US into separate nations. Cascadia, anyone? That particular entity is most interesting, as it proposes a merger of parts of the US with part of Canada.
Up until a few weeks ago, I was a bit depressed about the future, now I find it has some rather exciting possibilities.
“Which is why I definitely see the break-up of the US into separate nations.”
And that could coincide with the repudiation of all debts of the “old” USA. Woo-hoo, a twofer! Oh wait, the FED would be eliminated as well. A three-fer!
The downsides would be trivial by comparison.
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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-04-19 11:26:10
The downsides would be trivial by comparison.
That’s probably what the Yugoslavians thought, too.
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-04-19 19:44:21
“That’s probably what the Yugoslavians thought, too.”
Breaking up the U.S. would clearly create internal and external security risks that we would collectively regret. Better to install a government with the temerity to root out criminals from the Wall Street crime syndicate, put them into prison as a warning to would-be future criminals, and reset our banking system with a clean slate.
The PNW forms an alliance with China, Japan and Korea.
The SW either joins Mexico or becomes an independent hispanic state (La Republica del Norte)
The Rocky Mountain and Plains states join Canada
The NE joins the EU
Parts of the South form ties with South America
The Rest of the South and the Rust belt just wither away.
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Comment by palmetto
2011-04-19 08:46:24
Whoo-hoo! When I wuz a pup, I wanted to travel in SA for a while. Now I’ll get to actually live there.
Brazil has its meathooks into Florida agriculture big time, most people don’t know it and the Brazilians are too polite to crow about it, unlike the Aztlaner crowd. Also Colombia is a major player in some of the ports.
The quiet development of Colombia, with its attendant drop in violent crime, has been an interesting story to follow.
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-04-19 10:06:13
The US is going to fall apart but Mexico and Canada are somehow going to hold it together?
I predict that my kids are going to have a vacation home on the moon.
Comment by Big V
2011-04-19 10:30:20
diddo supercanine
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-04-19 10:54:49
The quiet development of Colombia, with its attendant drop in violent crime, has been an interesting story to follow.
Here in Tucson, we recently had our second annual Cyclovia. The streets of Tucson and South Tucson were closed to automotive traffic for five hours, and guess what? 10,000 people turned out and had a wonderful time.
The original Cyclovia started in Bogota, Colombia during the 1970s. It’s still going. Happens ever Sunday. Good chunk of the central city goes car-free for a few hours. Thousands of people come out to ride bikes, walk, take aerobics classes and rumba lessons, and generally have a good time.
Comment by In Colorado
2011-04-19 12:30:39
“The US is going to fall apart but Mexico and Canada are somehow going to hold it together?”
Neither has the debt per capita or the outragous military spending that we do. Plus Mexicans are used to being poor.
Comment by fisher
2011-04-19 19:57:46
Hell, *I’m* used to being poor! Trying like hell to get ahead of the curve. Always figured them poor Mex’s were my real competition, not those budding underpaid technocrats in Chindia. So I’m gonna give them Mexicans a run for their dang pesos. Already eat’n a lot of pinto beans & tortillas. Good stuff. They know how to work it too: don’t worry about the law. Just worry about gett’n caught and piss’n off the wrong people. Word!
You don’t think there would be any “kinetic dissent” with 20% inflation or perhaps you think wages would grow to keep up?
Comment by In Colorado
2011-04-19 09:17:50
I think wages will grow, but they won’t keep up.
That at least creates the illusion that something is being done. So you get a 10% raise, are told that inflation is only 20% (hang in there serf) when its acually 30-40%.
Comment by Steve J
2011-04-19 11:47:06
Considering how there is nary a peep from folks as their 6 year old daughters get frisked by the TSA and Wall Street bailed out to the tune of a trillion dollars it’s pretty safe to assume Americans have been successful acquiesced into serfdom.
I have hope for the people of Iceland and Finland.
Do you guys think they will also begin to addres the trade deficit? IMO, the only long-term solution to the budget problem is to fix the trade problem.
First, you have to produce goods that other nations want, and at a price that is reasonable.
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Comment by michael
2011-04-19 13:31:10
the price problem can be fixed by devaluing the dollar…alot.
Comment by Big V
2011-04-19 15:23:32
No problem. Remember when the US was the breadbasket of the world, and we were a net exporter. Why, that was like, ALWAYS, until we dropped our tariffs and stuff. Now we just allow wage arbitrage to rage on unabated as if it were not deleterious, even though it is deleterious. Why do we do that?
Comment by Bronco
2011-04-19 15:30:33
I think we didn’t import (much) oil in those days and and one one else had a decent manufacturing base.
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-04-19 15:46:54
“First, you have to produce goods that other nations want, and at a price that is reasonable.”
Precisely the simplistic TV news mantra I would expect from you.
First THEY must repudiate the trade “agreements” that destroyed business units domiciled inside US borders.
Second THEY must establish tarriffs on exports from countries who manipulate their currency. China is case in point.
Yet the blind, deaf and dumb yammer the same old 30 year old worn out cable news/talk radio stupidity like “uhhhhhh… the damn US workers deestroid ‘dis countree.”
Watching the US and so many other governments talk about balancing the budget is laughable. Small measures are proposed that won’t come even close, or measures that might come close are rejected as too extreme. But on the assumption that a budget is accepted that should balance the budget, it won’t. Companies that used to generate income off the government won’t, and their customers will lose revenue and so on. The tax base will shrink.
But let’s assume that a budget can be balanced taking into account the effects of reduced government spending on GDP*. This is only a balanced budget. It still won’t reduce the debt. It’s a measure that’s not even as good as making the minimum payment on a credit card. One small hiccup and it’s back to deficits.
So back to the original question. What will the effect be of a decreased credit rating? It will force the US government to get serious about the only real option: default. To myself, the only question is whether the default will be via haircuts or newly printed dollars.
I submitted a lengthy post why I believe in more QE. Seems to have gotten caught in the spam filter.
We can’t take the pain of fiscal prudence. It’s too late in the game anyway, we’ve crossed the point of no return back in 2008.
Politicians will at most plan 4 years ahead and will always chose the path of least resistance. That path spells more QE. That’s where my money is long term.
That being said, watch what happens when QE2 ends. All mayhem
will break lose within a few month, like in a deflationary collapse. Soon everybody will cry uncle and by the fall we have QE3.
The interest rate on a 10-year T-Note dropped from about 3.45 to 3.37. If S&P issues another downgrade, maybe we can get the interest rate down to 3.0!
Gay teens in liberal areas less likely to try suicide than those in conservative areas
CHICAGO — Suicide attempts by gay teens — and even straight kids — are more common in politically conservative areas where schools don’t have programs supporting gay rights, a study involving nearly 32,000 high school students found.
OMG (gay) kids that are hated and told they are worthless are more likely to commit suicide? Why was this posted?
Because it’s confusing. It doesn’t make much sense. Why would the more Christian conservative areas be more hateful towards gays than would be liberal areas? Liberals are probably less likely to be real Christians and Christianity is the religion of peace and love. I mean did Jesus preach hate? No, I don’t think he did so what gives?
CHICAGO — Suicide attempts by gay teens — and even straight kids — are more common in politically conservative areas
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The sentence doesn’t make sense.
“and even straight kids” - do you mean straight teens or straight kids younger than teens????
And if you add the qualifier “and even straight kids” — doesn’t that change the sentence to “suicide attempts by teens are more common in politically conservative areas”??
The talking point du jour is that there’s really not much money to be gained by increasing taxes on the rich. Anybody got any numbers to back that up? Because the very few links provided thus far have been pretty weak.
I’ll provide links that show that taxing the wealthy is the solution to most of our budgetary problems.
If there is a place where the soon-to-be-taxed rich can easily run and hide the taxing the rich won’t work out very well, which means it may work on a Federal level but not work on a state level.
It’s fairly easy for people to change the states they live in, not as easy to change the countries; This is one of California’s problems.
Here is a data point to back you up. And yes, the uber rich can move anywhere in the world.
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Millionaires Go Missing
Maryland’s fleeced taxpayers fight back.
WSJ - May 27, 2009
Here’s a two-minute drill in soak-the-rich economics:
Maryland couldn’t balance its budget last year, so the state tried to close the shortfall by fleecing the wealthy. Politicians in Annapolis created a millionaire tax bracket, raising the top marginal income-tax rate to 6.25%. And because cities such as Baltimore and Bethesda also impose income taxes, the state-local tax rate can go as high as 9.45%. Governor Martin O’Malley, a dedicated class warrior, declared that these richest 0.3% of filers were “willing and able to pay their fair share.” The Baltimore Sun predicted the rich would “grin and bear it.”
One year later, nobody’s grinning. One-third of the millionaires have disappeared from Maryland tax rolls. In 2008 roughly 3,000 million-dollar income tax returns were filed by the end of April. This year there were 2,000, which the state comptroller’s office concedes is a “substantial decline.” On those missing returns, the government collects 6.25% of nothing. Instead of the state coffers gaining the extra $106 million the politicians predicted, millionaires paid $100 million less in taxes than they did last year — even at higher rates.
The Maryland state revenue office says it’s “way too early” to tell how many millionaires moved out of the state when the tax rates rose. But no one disputes that some rich filers did leave. It’s easier than the redistributionists think. Christopher Summers, president of the Maryland Public Policy Institute, notes: “Marylanders with high incomes typically own second homes in tax friendlier states like Florida, Delaware, South Carolina and Virginia. So it’s easy for them to change their residency.”
All of this means that the burden of paying for bloated government in Annapolis will fall on the middle class. Thanks to the futility of soaking the rich, these working families will now pay Mr. O’Malley’s “fair share.”
The uber-rich can also hire the very best lawyers, so I guess we shouldn’t even charge them with crimes either.
Sigh. It must be nice to be uber-rich, above all laws and taxes, with patsies who defend your position fervently.
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Comment by 2banana
2011-04-19 06:11:36
You want to deal with reality or live in a your “make everything fair” fantasy world???
If you tax the wealthy or corporations too much and they just leave.
The middle class can’t leave. That is why all these “tax the rich” ideas eventually end up taxing the middle and lower classes.
And yes - the uber rich do pay for crimes. There are plenty of multi-millionaires and billionaires in prison right now (Madoff, Enron folks, Worldcom folks, etc).
But picking up and leaving a high tax state/country is not against the law (yet).
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-04-19 06:42:52
“If you tax the wealthy or corporations too much and they just leave.”
Moving from one state to another for tax reasons is relatively easy- even done by the middle class. Moving to another country, and renouncing your citizenship in the US, is another matter.
Some might go so far, but aren’t they the types that already are paying almost no taxes, through the various legal tax dodges the wealthy enjoy now?
I mean, really, renounce your US citizenship rather than pay a few more points in taxes? Who are these people? Do we want them here?
Comment by oxide
2011-04-19 07:01:03
You want to deal with reality or live in a your “make everything fair” fantasy world???
How about trying to make the “make everything fair fantasy world” into the reality and making you and your puppetmasters deal with it?
Comment by In Colorado
2011-04-19 08:11:11
“Moving from one state to another for tax reasons is relatively easy- even done by the middle class.”
And even that isn’t done all that much. Take Wyoming vs. Colorado. Wyoming has no state income tax while in Colorado its a flat 4.6%.
There is no exodus from Colorado to neighboring “low tax” Wyoming.
None.
Comment by Steve J
2011-04-19 08:17:45
The only rich people in jail are the ones that crossed the Wall Street banksters.
Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-19 11:42:59
“There is no exodus from Colorado to neighboring ‘low tax’ Wyoming”
Apples and oranges I’m afraid. Colorado has much to offer while I’d challenge you to find anything great about MD…at least to the wealthy.
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-04-19 12:19:02
There is no exodus from Colorado to neighboring “low tax” Wyoming.
That’s true, but it’s mostly due to jobs.
Comment by In Colorado
2011-04-19 12:41:51
“That’s true, but it’s mostly due to jobs.”
But shouldn’t Wyoming be a jobs creation paradise? With no personal or corporate income tax it should be a jobs magnet.
I just bring Wyoming up as an example because I was once offered a relocation to the Cowboy state. Cheyenne and Laramie just didn’t have all that much appeal and the 2-3K I would have saved on state income tax wasn’t good enough of an incentive to move there.
“Colorado has much to offer while I’d challenge you to find anything great about MD…at least to the wealthy.”
LOL! A lot of transplants out here (some from your neck of the woods) complain that Denver is a “cow town”. It’s also tough to make a decent living out here, and many transplants end up returning home with their tail between their legs.
I do agree that you East Coast folks pay local taxes that boggle the mind.
Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-19 12:49:43
I have little local/state tax burden. It’s on the backs of the tourists though.
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-04-19 14:52:49
I just bring Wyoming up as an example because I was once offered a relocation to the Cowboy state. Cheyenne and Laramie just didn’t have all that much appeal and the 2-3K I would have saved on state income tax wasn’t good enough of an incentive to move there.
When I bicycled through Wyoming, I thought that it was very pretty. But, as far as interesting things of a cultural sort, it seemed to be a backwater.
Thanks for the scenic memories, Wyoming, but I prefer Tucson.
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-04-19 16:30:23
But shouldn’t Wyoming be a jobs creation paradise? With no personal or corporate income tax it should be a jobs magnet.
My personal opinion is that there is such a thing as critical mass when it comes to most industries, and Wyoming doesn’t have it. 100 years ago or whatever it was when Cheyenne and Denver were competing to be the rail hub of the Rockies (if I’m remembering it right), if Cheyenne had won we might be having this exact same conversation in reverse. Denver ended up reaching critical mass for some industry due to that, Cheyenne didn’t. Everything since, including the politics of the two areas, are symptoms of what has happened in each state due to that decision rather than causes.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-04-19 20:03:14
Where often you see state-to-state movement to avoid taxes is in river cities, where one can move across the river and be in another state, but still effectively live in the same metropolitan area.
MD might be an unusual case — there’s DC and VA nearby, so it’s easy to move around to a different, nearby area if you don’t like the current state you’re in.
It’s also possible that a lot of these “millionaires” have homes in other states, and they changed their residences to the other home as a tax dodge.
Comment by measton
2011-04-19 15:11:27
It’s also possible that a lot of them didn’t make a million dollars last year.
My guess is a lot of small business owners who once thought of themselves as rich aren’t seeing the same kind of income stream they were in the past.
People are buying cars, but lower end models.
People are buying less gas
People are likely eating out less and shopping less.
Isn’t it also possible that no one left and 1,000 fewer people made a million dollars that year? Would be easy to prove/disprove, just compare the SSNs on the returns in each year. Based on the data mentioned, you can’t definitively conclude that those millionaires left.
Unfortunately, it has become exceedingly easy for the truly rich to move their assets and production to poor countries, where they have more power than the government and the people. Moving from state to state is not a big deal from a national perspective, but this country needs to make it more difficult for the corporate elite to offshore our wealth and productive capacity.
Isn’t worrying about keeping our uber-rich here the same as worrying Wall Street will lose it’s top ‘talent’ ?
Let ‘em all move to Somalia, or Singapore, if that’s what paying a few more points in taxes means to them.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Comment by oxide
2011-04-19 06:43:25
Makes me wonder what high-pay jobs these folks had, if they were paying taxes on over a million. My guess: lobbyists. If they want to leave, I’ll help them pack. My guess is they all moved to Virginia. It’s tough for a lobbyists to telecommute from Florida.
Comment by Big V
2011-04-19 06:49:57
I think if you made the money here (or gained the money here), using the system WE created, the system WE defend, and the system WE maintain, then you should be on the hook for paying back into the system. Otherwise, how can it be continued?
Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-19 11:44:29
Most people who make it in business do so in spite of the government, not because of it.
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-04-19 12:19:12
Most people who make it in business do so in spite of the government, not because of it.
Wrong. Not in the USA. I owned a business in the USA. The government provided security, laws and rules that made running my business a lot easier than if I had been in Somalia.
Most “libertarians” don’t really have a good handle on how the world really works but they say “freedom” and “constitution” a lot.
Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-19 12:41:58
You’re socialist commentary is humorous.
Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-19 12:43:00
I meant to say YOUR socialist commentary is humorous.
Afternoon coffee is needed.
Comment by ecofeco
2011-04-19 14:23:25
He’s right Bad Andy. At least that’s what all of my globe trotting buddies tell me.
My buddies? They work in everything from oil to i-banking.
Comment by In Colorado
2011-04-19 14:58:01
“I meant to say YOUR socialist commentary is humorous.”
And your predatory, crony capitalist commentary is even funnier.
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-04-19 15:24:35
I meant to say YOUR socialist commentary is humorous.
Afternoon coffee is needed.
No, it’s not coffee Bad Andy. Deeper and independent thinking, some knowledge of American history and a dictionary is what is needed.
Because hey all,
Think about this. You know the fascists PR hacks have really played our brains when the following type quote is now considered “socialist commentary”.
I owned a business in the USA. The government provided security, laws and rules that made running my business a lot easier than if I had been in Somalia.
Man…….Some of you “patriots” are getting a little nutball up there.
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2011-04-19 17:08:36
“Man…….Some of you “patriots” are getting a little nutball up there.”
Maybe someday we can be cool independent thinkers like the John Stewart Bill Maher crowd. We can all sit around and tell each other how great our world saving ideas are while we drink a glass of wine from Trader Joes and eat bean curd from Whole Foods.
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-04-19 17:15:24
“Man…….Some of you “patriots” are getting a little nutball up there.” RioAmericaInBrasil
Maybe someday we can be cool independent thinkers like the John Stewart Bill Maher crowd. We can all sit around and tell each other how great our world saving ideas are while we drink a glass of wine from Trader Joes and eat bean curd from Whole Foods. nickpapageorgio
Thanks always for helping to prove my points nickpapageorgio.
Comment by Big V
2011-04-19 18:22:10
Nick is one of the HBB commentators who sometimes recommends renting women as an alternative to marrying them. Let’s not pay him any heed.
“Unfortunately, it has become exceedingly easy for the truly rich to move their assets and production to poor countries, where they have more power than the government and the people.”
Good ridance! Because that’s exactly what those sociopaths want and the rest of don’t want: more power over the government than the average person.
The loot hedge fund managers and banksters steal from us should be taxed as ordinary income. Also a surcharge on anyone receiving a public pension over, say, $50k. There’s no reason us taxpayers should be paying government retirees any more than that. Tax ‘em at 90% on anything over that $50k.
Here’s my favorite solution-the Do-Nothing solution (it appeals to the sloth in me), which solves our budget problems in one decade, with minimal upheaval- by Doing Nothing.
Slate
“I know. Your eyebrows are running for your hairline; your jaw is headed to the floor. You’ve had the bejesus scared out of you by deficit hawks murmuring about bankruptcy and defaults and Chinese bondholders. But don’t take it from me. Take it from the number crunchers at the CBO. Look at the first chart here, and check the “primary deficit” in 2019. The number is positive. The deficit does not exist. There’s a technicality, granted: The primary deficit is the difference between spending and revenue. The total deficit, the number more commonly cited as “the deficit,” includes mandatory interest payments on the country’s debt. Even so, the total fiscal gap is a whisper, not a shout—about 3 percent of GDP, which is what economists say is healthy for an advanced economy.
So how does doing nothing actually return the budget to health? The answer is that doing nothing allows all kinds of fiscal changes that politicians generally abhor to take effect automatically. First, doing nothing means the Bush tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, at the end of next year. That would cause a moderately progressive tax hike, and one that hits most families, including the middle class. The top marginal rate would rise from 35 percent to 39.6 percent, and some tax benefits for investment income would disappear. Additionally, a patch to keep the alternative minimum tax from hitting 20 million or so families would end. Second, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Obama’s health care law, would proceed without getting repealed or defunded. The CBO believes that the plan would bend health care’s cost curve downward, wrestling the rate of health care inflation back toward the general rate of inflation. Third, doing nothing would mean that Medicare starts paying doctors low, low rates. Congress would not pass anymore of the regular “doc fixes” that keep reimbursements high. Nothing else happens. Almost magically, everything evens out.”
But something’s wrong! We haven’t denied anyone their benefits! And the wealthy are paying a few percentage points more in taxes. It’s just wrong, I tell ya!
I guess they could move to Canada…or magically change their practice so they don’t see any medicare patients…or make a few thousand less a year, like most everybody else is doing.
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Comment by scdave
2011-04-19 08:41:18
I guess they could move to Canada ??
You better not have anything greater than a parking ticket if you expect them to let you in…
Comment by In Colorado
2011-04-19 09:07:38
You better not have anything greater than a parking ticket if you expect them to let you in…
As I’ve said before, if you have the right to claim foreign citizenship, do it now. That non US passport could someday be worth far more that its weight in gold.
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-04-19 09:22:31
if you have the right to claim foreign citizenship, do it now.
Would you think it would need to be a passport (citizenship) or would permanent-resident (greencard equivalent) be enough?
Comment by In Colorado
2011-04-19 09:46:50
Would you think it would need to be a passport (citizenship) or would permanent-resident (greencard equivalent) be enough?
Green cards can be revoked. Plus residency is usually required to kep them active. For instance, I once had a Mexican FM2 permanent resident visa, but it became invalid once I moved back to the USA.
Citizenship on the other hand, is a little more iron clad, but in a pinch a “green card” will do.
Removing the Social Security earnings cap virtually eliminates funding gap
Josh Bivens
February 17, 2005
Using relatively pessimistic assumptions about future growth in productivity and immigration, the Social Security Administration (SSA) actuaries estimate that Social Security trust fund revenues will fall somewhat short of covering scheduled benefits over the next 75 years. Until recently, President Bush had signaled opposition to any revenue increase to close that shortfall. On February 16, however, President Bush indicated his willingness to consider raising the cap on income subject to the Social Security tax. SSA actuarial estimates show that eliminating the cap would virtually eliminate the projected 75-year funding shortfall.
That was six years ago. They never did raise it, did they? They should. It’s actually a relatively low maximum. Besides, when SS is based on the concept of using today’s earners to support today’s retirees, it only makes sense that ALL the earners should have to participate. That way, a large gap between the rich and the poor won’t automatically bankrupt the old people.
Removing the income cap is the first step in means testing SS benefits.
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Comment by In Colorado
2011-04-19 09:10:50
I don’t follow that. As long as there is a benefit cap, why?
Comment by Big V
2011-04-19 10:32:37
I thought they were talking about the cap after which they stop deducting SS taxes from your paycheck. I think it’s like $80k/year. You stop paying SS taxes after you hit the earnings cap. Isn’t that what they’re talking about here? Maybe I’m confused.
Comment by Steve J
2011-04-19 12:05:02
The way I understand it, basically, your top 35 years of earnings are indexed for inflation, then averaged to determine the basis for your monthly benefit.
Taxing all income would involve creating a new formula that does not include earnings to determine your monthly benefit -that somehow limits people with incomes greater than 110k ( or whatever the limit is today) from getting more in SS benefits( or that would negate the whole reason for doing it in the first place) then they would currently.
Comment by Max Power
2011-04-19 13:17:05
The current cap is $106k. No SS taxes above that amount.
In my opinion, there should be no cap on income and benefits should be reduced. SS was never meant to allow for a comfy retirement. It was to make sure the elderly and disabled aren’t dying in the streets. The SS payment should be enough to make sure that doesn’t happen and no more.
Comment by Big V
2011-04-19 13:42:22
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. They should remove the income limit, but keep the benefits limit. That means today’s high earners contribute more to today’s elderly poor. That high earner could end up being poor one day too. It’s not like welfare, since the elderly can’t just work more/harder to make up for their financial deficiencies.
Comment by ecofeco
2011-04-19 16:24:34
Big V, haven’t you heard? The old people who can’t work anymore should be kicked to the curb!
That will solve ALL our deficit problems!
Comment by CA renter
2011-04-20 03:27:43
Yes, the best way to solve our SS problem is to remove the income cap on SS taxes.
If not that, then we need to institute means testing.
These are not difficult problems to solve (IMHO), it’s just that the politically powerful are standing in the way of the most logical fixes.
CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — Foreclosure filings rose 7% in March, compared with February, according to RealtyTrac, as more lenders and servicers began working through a backlog of foreclosures that had been delayed as the industry dealt with problems related to its paperwork processing practices.
Foreclosure filings likely will increase gradually as the procedural issues are worked out, said Rick Sharga, RealtyTrac’s senior vice president. “We’re not expecting to see an explosion as lenders and servicers try to catch up,” he said.
RealtyTrac reported that 239,795 properties received a foreclosure filing of some sort in March; filings include default notices, scheduled auctions and bank repossessions. Filings were down 35% in March compared with March 2010, when RealtyTrac recorded the highest number of monthly filings since it started the report in January 2005.
Of the total filings, 73,393 were default notices, a 16% increase compared with February and a 37% drop compared with a year ago.
Foreclosure auctions numbered 93,228 in March, a drop of 4% from February and a 41% decrease from March 2010.
Bank repossessions totaled 73,174 in March, up 13% from February and down 20% from a year ago.
“It’s likely that these delays [in foreclosure processing] will push out the housing recovery further than anticipated,” Sharga said.
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““It’s likely that these delays [in foreclosure processing] will push out the housing recovery further than anticipated,” Sharga said.”
Why? Isn’t there already a large shadow inventory sitting there, moldering? They could speed up sales of REOs any time they want to, with the inventory they hold now.
They just resent being forced to follow the law, like little people. And they see it as a convenient excuse for the coming price drops.
NEW YORK (AP) — When Standard & Poor’s says it might lower its top AAA rating on U.S. government debt, the stock market fell sharply. Traders were worried that if a downgrade happened, it would send interest rates higher. And, in turn, raise companies’ borrowing costs.
But short-term investors were driving the markets Monday. For individual investors who are in the market for the long haul, a downgrade might not be as devastating as it seemed at first — especially if their biggest investment is in the stock market.
The downside of a lower U.S. credit rating would be another drop in Treasury prices. And they’ve already been falling because interest rates are expected to rise as the economy grows. But some analysts say that stock prices would rise over the long term because they’ll have better returns than bonds and cash.
“For people who bought bond funds and think they won’t lose money — you’re wrong,” says Linda Williams, director of fixed income investments for Minneapolis-based private wealth management firm Lowry Hill. “When rates rise, those bond funds will be worth less than what you paid for them.”
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Like everything else, there ARE deals out there, but without research and constant vigilance and diligence and the fortitude to move quickly, you are going to get burned.
Most Washington pundits don’t expect any major political action on mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the 2012 election, but growing jitters over the nation’s debt illustrate one potential catalyst that could keep the current conservatorship of the firms from dragging on indefinitely.
On Monday, Standard & Poor’s placed the U.S. AAA-rating on negative outlook. It cited the potential cost of the U.S. government’s conservatorship of the mortgage-finance giants in tilting the scales in its decision. Here’s what S&P said:
We estimate that it could cost the U.S. government as much as 3.5% of GDP to appropriately capitalize and relaunch Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, two financial institutions now under federal control, in addition to the 1% of GDP already invested.
And in a question-and-answer brief:
Do the finances of the U.S. government-supported enterprises (GSEs) affect the U.S. sovereign rating? Yes. We estimate that the government might have to inject up to $280 billion to cover losses at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac; this includes $148 billion already spent. (Both GSEs are already in conservatorship.) Moreover, by our estimates, that $280 billion could swell to $685 billion if the government capitalizes Fannie and Freddie on a commercial basis.
Some analysts may take issue with those loss projections. Others will note that the U.S. will try to attract private, not public, funds to recapitalize any successors to Fannie and Freddie. Margaret Kerins, an analyst at Royal Bank of Scotland, writes in a research note Monday that such an outcome is “highly unlikely.”
The government has so far avoided bringing Fannie and Freddie onto the government’s books because that would boost the federal deficit by tens of billions and it could swell the total debt of the U.S. (Recall that Fannie Mae was privatized in 1968 when the Johnson administration was trying to reduce the country’s debt.)
The Bush administration cited the “temporary nature” of the government’s stewardship of Fannie and Freddie in opting not to incorporate those obligations back onto the government’s books.
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We estimate that it could cost the U.S. government as much as 3.5% of GDP to appropriately capitalize and relaunch Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, two financial institutions now under federal control, in addition to the 1% of GDP already invested.
Hmmmm - let me connect some dots to the AAA-rating on negative outlook.
U.S. Move to Cover Fannie, Freddie Losses Stirs Controversy
WSJ
Dec 28, 2009
By JAMES R. HAGERTY and JESSICA HOLZER
The Obama administration’s decision to cover an unlimited amount of losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.
The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.
You are attempting to pin the F&F crisis on one person. Why? We on this board are aware that it was created by nearly EVERYONE in the establishment, and has been going on for decades. All parties, all persuasions, with a few exceptions.
You are attempting to pin the F&F crisis on one person. Why?
Because
1) He’s a GOP lapdog
2) He assumes that if you aren’t a GOP lapdog, then you’re a Democrat lapdog, which is why he constantly harps on “obummer”, etc.
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Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-19 11:50:19
People with conservative opinions are in general not GOP laopdogs. I’ve tried to point it out on many occasions just to be called a GOP lapdog myself.
It doesn’t matter which party you associate yourself with, if you buy into either agenda you’re doing yourself and your country a disservice. And yes, Obummer is a Democratic Party tool.
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-04-19 12:26:35
People with conservative opinions are in general not GOP laopdogs.
2banana is not “people in general”.
He ignores data presented that does not strictly adhere to GOP dogma, he does not deviate from half-truth, AM radio talking points and 2banana reaches far-fetched conclusions based on his above predictable patterns of postings.
Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-19 12:46:20
The same can be said for certain left leaning contributors…without naming names…
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-04-19 15:36:01
The same can be said for certain left leaning contributors…without naming names…
Wrong. Most on the left on this blog present way more studies, data and facts then any names I’ve mentioned of those on the right. Way more. It’s not even close.
I also don’t see the left promoting twisted truths and most on the left acknowledge the right’s points when they are correct.
There is a big difference.
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2011-04-19 17:27:16
“Wrong. Most on the left on this blog present way more studies, data and facts then any names I’ve mentioned of those on the right. Way more. It’s not even close.”
I see very little, and when so called studies are posted they come from dubious sources like the huffington post and the new york times.
“I also don’t see the left promoting twisted truths and most on the left acknowledge the right’s points when they are correct.”
Progressives on the left and right would not even be viable candidates for dog catcher without promoting twisted truths and out right lies. Do you think the public would willingly go along with progressives if they were told the absolute truth about where this so called “progression” leaves the United States and the Constitution we live under? No.
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-04-19 18:19:31
“Progressives on the left and right”
Progressives on the right? Please explain (with charts and examples )
Interesting first hand look. Coming soon to America.
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Greece: A country unraveling
To Vima, Athens | 4/18/2011 | Pantelis Kapsis
With new austerity measures announced against a backdrop of persistent rumours of debt restructuring and national bankruptcy, a Greek columnist worries that the choices being offered to Greece are being accompanied by the degeneration of the state.
For the average citizen, the pullover is unravelling. In Corinth, where 20 drivers, unimpeded, ransacked a police station to burn their fines. In Perama, where trade-unionists overturned a patrol car with personnel inside. In Keratea, where locals opposed to a landfill project have been involved in ongoing battles with police while the state has been unable to assert its authority. At toll booths and in Constitution Square, where the “Can’t pay, won’t pay” movement has unrestricted freedom to intimidate citizens who do not want to break the law. In Patras, where a group of masked individuals attacked an 80-year-old Nobel laureate [James D. Watson who was awarded the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 1962].
And this is not just a matter of violence and anarchy. Unions at the national power corporation DEI have been outraged by the discovery of the donation of millions of euros to one of the company’s subsidiaries. In higher education, professors responded with a threat to close universities to news that an “experts committee” had found that we spend more per student than other European countries.
In health care, where we spend as much as the United States, doctors claiming that there is a shortage of beds and equipment are denying patients access to hospital care. However, in this case, the Health Minister quickly responded by launching disciplinary procedures. In the public sector, where the highest paid workers have embarked on a succession of strikes to the point where it must now be obvious to the members of the IMF-ECB-EU troika that our tax system is worse off than it was before it was overhauled in 2009!
There is no turning back And all of this is taking place in an incredible climate of confusion which has been compounded by the ambiguous behaviour of government ministers. For example, the Minister for Citizen Protection who, in the wake of a few successes that included the arrest of a number of terrorists, has now decided to adopt the same method as his predecessor and is refusing to assume responsibility for his position. Ditto for the Minister for the Environment who, to date, has had nothing to say about the Keratea landfill.
Confusion also prevails in the economy, with members of PASOK [the ruling socialist party] flirting with the idea of debt restructuring, and in so doing demonstrating their ignorance of the difficult realities of our position in Europe and on financial markets. It goes without saying that the troika technocrats are now threatening to withhold payment of the fourth installment of the 110 billion euro loan — and if that happens, there will be no point in talking about restructuring.
This was the dilemma addressed by Prime Minister George Papandreou in his 15 April speech to parliamentary members of his party, in which he announced further austerity measures. In recent days, we have been warned of the scenarios for the near future if we accept restructuring for the good of the people: public services will have no money to pay their staff, and a shortage of doctors and equipment will result in the closure of our hospitals.
I love the country and its people, but modern Greece has always been a mess. The last twenty or so years of relative peace and prosperity has been the exception- bought with the easy money of the time which has ended.
We have the most expensive, least efficient health care system in the world, and yet there is no shortage of lapdogs who defend it, mostly because they are afraid of the socialism bogeyman.
While much of the press attention has focused on other parts of the budget plan put forth by Representative Paul Ryan (R–WI), a key provision is its call for an end to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two housing giants that essentially failed and were taken over by their regulator in 2008. In their place, Ryan proposes to “allow private-market secondary lenders to fairly, freely and transparently compete, with the knowledge that they will ultimately bear appropriate risk for the loans they guarantee. Their viability and profitability will be determined by the soundness of their practices and the value of their services.”[1]
Just eliminating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is a huge step in the right direction. So far, the two have cost taxpayers about $150 billion to cover their pre-2008 losses on mortgages and related securities. However, not all of those losses have surfaced; the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) estimates that when they do, the total cost will be double that amount. Sadly, these costs are unavoidable, but eliminating the two housing giants and their government guarantee would protect taxpayers from similar losses in the next housing downturn.
How to Eliminate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
To gradually eliminate both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Ryan’s budget proposes “winding down their government guarantee and ending taxpayer subsidies. It supports increasing the guarantee fees Fannie and Freddie charge lenders in order to bring private capital back, shrinking their retained portfolios, and enacting various measures that would bring transparency and accountability to the GSEs. At the same time, it will put in place measures to discourage shifting of taxpayer risk to the Federal Housing Administration and other government-backed entities as Fannie and Freddie are dismantled.”[2] This approach should achieve Ryan’s goal of abolishing Fannie and Freddie without seriously disrupting still fragile housing markets.
Since 2008, privately issued mortgage-backed securities, which were once over half the market, have virtually disappeared. Restoring their presence will take time and should be encouraged with specific steps mentioned below. While ideally, the transition to private financing mechanisms should be as rapid as possible, policymakers should avoid the temptation to put firm deadlines on the complete phase-out of Fannie and Freddie. Instead, specific steps to encourage that transition should be clearly described and scheduled, with the FHFA being given the job of monitoring the situation under close oversight and ending the two government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) as market conditions allow.
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How is Ryan’s plan to unwind Fannie and Freddie different from Obama’s menu of choices to unwind Freddie and Fannie? Or is the Heritage Foundation just adding another layer of frosting to the poison pill of privatized Medicare?
Priviatized Medicare is not exactly what’s proposed so much as a public/private co-op. While I don’t claim to be an expert, I do know that Blue Cross and United Healthcare pay substantially less for the same procedures as I do walking in from the street and substantially less than Medicare pays.
One way or another reform is needed to eliminate waste from the program.
Public-private co-op? You mean the mechanism for private sector to write the laws favorable to themselves so that they can fleece the taxpayer again? Fannie/Freddie were private/public co-ops and we know how THAT went for the taxpayer.
I would like for private sector to keep their profit-obsessed hands off of my medical care.
“To gradually eliminate both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Ryan’s budget proposes “winding down their government guarantee and ending taxpayer subsidies.”
See, this is why I need a new poilitcal party for myself. This makes sense to me, but then these guys want to gut education.
I want a political party that basically says this: if you’re under 18, we’ll help you out, if you’re over 18, you’re on your own.
A month and a half after the White House announced its plan to wind down Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, House Republicans on Tuesday plan to introduce their own.
According to congressional sources familiar with the matter, a series of eight bills by Republicans will call for raising fees charged to borrowers in two years and taking other steps to shrink the companies’ footprint in the housing market.
The bills will call on Fannie and Freddie to begin to sell their massive portfolios of mortgage investments, which keep rates low, and would take away other advantages enjoyed by the companies that banks and private-sector firms don’t have.
They would also end requirements that Fannie and Freddie direct a portion of their business to low- and moderate-income housing and pay the employees of the companies only what counterparts in the federal government earn.
What’s striking about the new GOP plan is that in many ways it mirrors the Obama administration’s approach to shutting down the taxpayer-backed mortgage giants but only on a faster timetable.
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What’s striking about the new GOP plan is that in many ways it mirrors the Obama administration’s approach to shutting down the taxpayer-backed mortgage giants but only on a faster timetable.
Which obama plan was that? They keep changing so much…
U.S. Move to Cover Fannie, Freddie Losses Stirs Controversy
WSJ
Dec 28, 2009
By JAMES R. HAGERTY and JESSICA HOLZER
The Obama administration’s decision to cover an unlimited amount of losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.
The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.
House Republicans took another step toward reining in and winding down Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac on Wednesday, advancing eight bills that would modify them.
The Capital Markets subcommittee of the House Financial Services Committee approved the package of bills after a lengthy and contentious markup, setting the stage for consideration by the full committee in the coming weeks.
Lawmakers approved three of the bills late Tuesday night after a markup that stretched 11 hours. Republicans accused Democrats of using parliamentary tactics to delay debate and bog down the proceedings. They said Democrats would call for a committee quorum, then leave the hearing room to prevent the quorum from being reached.
“Americans have seen Democrats flee certain states, and now we’re seeing Democrats in Congress use the same ploy,” said Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.), the chairman of the subcommittee. “The American people want us to end the bailouts, and we hope the Democrats on the committee will start taking this issue — and their responsibilities as legislators — seriously.”
Democrats, meanwhile, criticized the “piecemeal” approach offered by Republicans, arguing it could lead to market uncertainty.
“Undertaking these short-term steps without a vision for what comes next is a risky strategy, given that the entirety of the American housing finance system is at stake,” said Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), the ranking member of the subcommittee.
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I’ll tell you right now what comes next, private lending. If you don’t have 20% down or one heck of a credit score you don’t buy a house. What’s wrong with that model again?
WASHINGTON, April 11, 2011 /PRNewswire/ — Fannie Mae announced today that people purchasing a Fannie Mae-owned HomePath property will receive up to 3.5 percent in closing cost assistance. The initial offer must be submitted on or after April 11, 2011; and the sale must close on or before June 30, 2011 to be eligible for the incentive. Additionally, buyers must reside in the home as their primary residence (sales to investors are excluded).
“Attracting qualified buyers to the market and reducing the inventory of vacant homes remains essential to stabilizing neighborhoods and helping the market recover,” said Terry Edwards, Executive Vice President of Credit Portfolio Management. “Since interest rates remain low, the incentive will go a long way toward helping even more families buy a new home so this is a great time for Fannie Mae to offer some assistance.”
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Sure, as long as the taxpayer is willing and able to pick up Fannie’s losses, then this is not just a great time. Why, it’s the only game in town. Imagine the FRAUD that can be perpetrated on this deal. I wonder who will end up with the bag of cash at the end of this rainbow?
Little fees, downpayment assistance, paying closing costs, etc. Aren’t these the same tricks that builders and re-al-TORs tried in late 2007 to avoid raising the taboo subject of price? Fannie should just offer a cruise and new car in the driveway too, and her journey to the dark side will be complete.
It’s very similar. My question is the timing of the article. HomePath has been around for a couple of years now. It’s often available for homes that are Fannie Mae owned that need work.
Is the thought of paying the high closing costs on a home keeping you from making the leap into home ownership? Consider getting a mortgage through Fannie Mae.
Submitted: April 16, 2011
With all of the foreclosures on the books at Fannie Mae, one of the government’s largest securers of mortgage loans, executives decided that something had to be done to reduce that number. That is why Fannie Mae recently announced that it would help home buyers with the closing costs of they purchase a home.
That is really good news when you consider that Fannie Mae’s inventory of foreclosed homes is also eligible for special financing programs for those who are trying to purchase a home for the first time. In addition to that, home buyers can often purchase homes backed by Fannie Mae for as little as 3 percent down. This is an extra incentive that is offered by Fannie Mae to help low income home buyers purchase their first home. As far as the closing costs, Fannie Mae is also offering to pay up to 3.5 percent of those fees if you qualify for the assistance.
In order to take advantage of this newest deal offered by Fannie Mae, you must submit an offer to purchase the home after April 11 and you must close on the home no later than June 30 of this year. You must also use the home as your primary residence rather than a vacation home or rental property in order to qualify for this deal. Investors will not be allowed to take advantage of this offer.
Terry Edwards, a portfolio manager for Fannie Mae’s department of foreclosed homes, said this incentive along with the recently low interest rates should be a good combination to encourage buyers.
Fannie Mae tried a similar program in 2010. During that year, Fannie Mae reclaimed more than 260,000 homes due to non-payment of mortgages. That’s more than a quarter of a million homes and that’s just from one lender! Last year, Fannie Mae also gave $1,500 bonuses to brokers and realtors who found buyers who would purchase a foreclosed home that the lender had on its books.
If you are a first time home buyer, going through Fannie Mae while the lender is providing this offer may be one of the best options to consider. With a low down payment, low prices of foreclosures, low mortgage rates and Fannie Mae taking care of some of the closing costs, you won’t easily find a better deal right now.
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Democrats like to paint House Republicans as “extreme” ideologues held captive by the Tea Party. But after reviewing the House GOP’s new plan to reform the housing market, we wish the Tea Party had grabbed a few more hostages.
On Tuesday Republicans on the House Financial Services Committee introduced eight bills to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-created mortgage giants at the heart of the financial crisis. These toxic twins have already gobbled up $156 billion of taxpayer money. But not one of the eight bills would shut down Fannie or Freddie—even on a delayed fuse.
You could argue that the House GOP has rolled out a less aggressive reform plan than one of the options recently floated by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. Yes, the same Secretary Geithner who quietly gave Fan and Fred an unlimited call on taxpayer cash on Christmas Eve of 2009. Can he really be among the Beltway’s boldest voices for reform only five months after a bailout-weary electorate turned the House over to Republicans?
Those Republicans seem to have decided that fundamental reform isn’t possible with a Democratic Senate. At least that’s the charitable view. Another is that Financial Services Chairman Spencer Bachus, a longtime friend of the mortgage twins, still can’t liberate himself from the housing lobby that wants Fan and Fred to rise again. Whatever the reasons, taxpayers hoping for a clean break from Washington’s housing folly are being offered merely incremental enhancements.
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‘Financial Services Chairman Spencer Bachus, a longtime friend of the mortgage twins, still can’t liberate himself from the housing lobby that wants Fan and Fred to rise again’
The Banality of Corruption in Washington DC
Here we have one person, who is a “longtime friend of the mortgage twins.” This means of course, he is bought off with campaign contributions by the lobbyists. One person is able to direct legislation regarding an issue that will effect each and every person in this country. Why? Because he presides over a key committee.
Here’s the thing; there is no mention of “key” committees or sub-committees in the constitution. This was constructed by the two parties. And we casually read, as a completely bought off senator does the bidding of those who give him money. No outrage, no protests. Why? One party will say, we can’t attack one of our own. The other says, “that fundamental reform isn’t possible with a Democratic Senate” (meaning, hey if you don’t like it, vote our guys in). Neither says, hey, this is really bad government! I say, it’s the normalization of corruption. Not hidden, but right out there for all to see. And it goes on right in front of us every day and we accept it as the way things are.
So here’s your chance Democrats. Let’s see you ride this guy out on a rail. Why shouldn’t you? Isn’t this the moral hazard, the socialization of losses? Won’t your grandchildren pay for this senators corruption? My guess is, however, that Democrats here won’t say anything. And Republicans will shake their head in hypocritical disgust, forgetting that when they were holding this “key” position, much the same corruption was on display.
Maybe you people who support this two party system can see here just one single instance of how you are a part of the problem. This isn’t how a democratic government should operate. Those of us who aren’t in the two parties are powerless to stop it because so many of you continue to vote for this open, bought and paid for mess. And when one of your guys stands in the way of good government, you refuse to clean your own house.
‘Up to the end of 2008, Dodd and Frank were Phoney and Fraudie’s chief benefactors and protectors’
Oh really? Your post is an example of what I’m talking about:
April 21, 2005 “CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin, said the housing market no longer needs the parts of U.S. law governing Fannie and Freddie that Wall Street interprets as a federal guarantee of the companies’ obligations.”
“Therefore, those entities could gradually be relieved of the responsibilities and benefits of their current status as GSE’s and required to operate as fully private organizations, which would reduce their risks and costs to the federal government.”
‘Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. But hear the horror from the so-called reformers. “‘I’m not pushing for the total privatization of the GSEs,’ said Alabama Republican Sen. Richard Shelby, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee. ‘The GSEs play a critical role in the housing market.’”
“Armando Falcon, the head of OFHEO, which is the regulator of Fannie Mae, was interviewed by the Associated Press and he didn’t have good news. “Asked Tuesday whether further discoveries could emerge from OFHEO’s investigation, Falcon said, ‘We very well might find more problems as we continue to review the company’s accounting.’”
‘Might? Fannie has thousands of “special entities” off balance sheet. The size of the disaster is unprecedented. And Mr. Falcon thinks the OFHEO saved the day. “If the agency hadn’t acted to identify and correct problems at Fannie Mae, Falcon said, ‘I think they would have eventually manifested themselves in the form of some larger problem that might have created some kind of systemic disruptions’ in the housing market.”
‘Time will tell on that one. Mr. Falcon has already turned in his resignation and the replacement of the regulator is almost certain; that doesn’t sound like a triumph of enforcement. Without going into the politics being thrown about, both Democrats and Republicans were happy to have the GSE’s making easy money available for years and the wrangling now won’t put the bubble back in the bottle. At least there is this, “The Justice Department is pursuing a criminal investigation.”
‘The warning signs are everywhere that a mortgage/housing fiasco is unfolding and the silence is deafening. Except for newcomers like Cramer, the media isn’t covering this debacle or the Doral matter. The home builders having their head handed to them after record existing and new sales, plus record earnings, should put the media on notice that we have a problem.’
‘Perhaps asking the media to quit cheerleading and look at the housing crisis objectively is too much. What of our representatives in Washington? The congress had better be meeting to figure out what the heck they are going to do instead of debating who is more responsible for Fannie.’
So here’s your chance Democrats. Let’s see you ride this guy out on a rail. Why shouldn’t you? Isn’t this the moral hazard, the socialization of losses? Won’t your grandchildren pay for this senators corruption? My guess is, however, that Democrats here won’t say anything. And Republicans will shake their head in hypocritical disgust, forgetting that when they were holding this “key” position, much the same corruption was on display.
OK, I stand corrected. So you Republicans can get rid of Bachus then, right? And how about you Democrats riding this guy out on a rail? Or his boss?
“the House GOP has rolled out a less aggressive reform plan than one of the options recently floated by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. Yes, the same Secretary Geithner who quietly gave Fan and Fred an unlimited call on taxpayer cash on Christmas Eve of 2009″
My point is, this is really, really important. We are talking about possibly trillions of dollars. But what we get from the two parties is who can serve their campaign contributors best. And Democrats/Republicans will not challenge corruption in “their” party.
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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-04-19 17:08:08
“Yes, the same Secretary Geithner who quietly gave Fan and Fred an unlimited call on taxpayer cash on Christmas Eve of 2009″
Is anything Geithner decides to do automatically legal, or is there some kind of Congressional approval process behind this kind of maneuver which never trickles up to the MSM?
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-04-19 19:01:10
“riding this guy out on a rail?”
Alabama. How many Democrats do we have to convince to move to his district to swing the next election?
So here’s your chance Democrats. Let’s see you ride this guy out on a rail. Why shouldn’t you? Isn’t this the moral hazard, the socialization of losses? Won’t your grandchildren pay for this senators corruption? My guess is, however, that Democrats here won’t say anything.
I agree with your main points and I’m not a Democrat but I think this guy’s a republican.
Spencer Thomas Bachus III (born December 28, 1947) is the U.S. Representative for Alabama’s 6th congressional district, serving since 1993. He is a member of the Republican Party.
I’ve tried to make this case to anyone that will listen, albeit far less eloquently than Ben. People that root for their team no matter what ARE the problem. Digging your way to the truth is hard enough without being blinded by petty partisanship. We get what we vote for. Instead of arguing about which party is less bad, vote none of the above by voting 3rd party or independent.
I would love to see more independents of Bernie Sanders ilk in both the House and the Senate. I think we will need to fill the House and Senate with independents before we can expect to elect one as President.
So get involved, people. Go find an independent to support in your state and district.
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Comment by CA renter
2011-04-20 04:40:50
There are far too few “Bernie Sanders” who are willing to run for office.
I would also love to see more people like him in charge of this nation’s policies.
When I told Nick Brady in 1989 that I was going to work at HUD, he said, “You can’t go to HUD — HUD is a sewer.” While my experience as Assistant Secretary cleaning up significant mortgage fraud that lost the government billions during the 1980s confirmed that HUD’s financial reputation was deserved, leading the FHA provided invaluable insight into how government management of the economy one neighborhood at a time really harms communities. Hence, access to the “real deal” on real estate and the mortgage markets was an opportunity. If you want to see the real economy in a place, you absolutely want an accurate map of the financial flows in that system — starting with the land and real estate. My favorite description of HUD was to come many years later from staff to the Chairman of the Senate HUD appropriation subcommittee — Senator Kit Bond. When asked what was going on at HUD, the Congressional staffer said, “HUD is being run as a criminal enterprise.”
The States Where People Can’t Afford Gas
Posted: April 15, 2011 at 4:06 pm
This analysis shows the extent to which the US economy cannot be viewed as a whole–an undifferentiated collection of 50 states. Some states on this list, like Alabama or West Virginia, could be tipped back into a local recession because of a combination of high gas prices and low wages.
Each of “The States Where People Can’t Afford Gas” has a different set of factors contributing to the effects of high fuel costs. However, most of what is said about Indiana could also be said about Kentucky. Gas prices cause people to postpone vacations and defer daily expenses. Some of the states on this list barely made it out of the recession, if they did at all. Some still have double digit unemployment and high poverty levels. The sharp rise in gas prices becomes more severe each day. This is something that a portion of the population simply cannot afford.
10. Iowa
> Median Income: $50,721 (21st highest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.94 (8th highest)
> Unemployment: 6.1% (6th lowest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 13.07% (16th lowest)
9. Ohio
> Median Income: $45,879 (19th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.83 (17th lowest)
> Unemployment: 9.2% (20th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 19% (16th highest)
8. North Dakota
> Median Income: $50,075 (23rd highest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.97 (7th highest)
> Unemployment: 3.7% (lowest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 12.77% (15th lowest)
7. Florida
> Median Income: $45,631 (15th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.82 (18th lowest)
> Unemployment: 11.5% (2nd highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 18.17% (18th highest)
6. Kentucky
> Median Income: $42,664 (8th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.80 (21st lowest)
> Unemployment: 10.4% (6th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 22.67% (3rd highest)
5. Michigan
> Median Income: $45,994 (20th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.94 (9th highest)
> Unemployment: 10.4% (6th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 19.07% (15th highest)
4. North Carolina
> Median Income: $41,906 (8th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.89 (11th highest)
> Unemployment: 9.7% (12th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 20% (13th highest)
3. West Virginia
> Median Income: $40,490 (5th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.88 (12th highest)
> Unemployment: 9.4% (16th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 22.07% (5th highest)
2. Indiana
> Median Income: $44,305 (12th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $4.04 (4th highest)
> Unemployment: 8.8% (24th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 17.57% (20th highest)
1. Alabama
> Median Income: $39,980 (3rd lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $4.17 (3rd highest)
> Unemployment: 9.3% (18th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 21.77% (6th highest)
North Dakota? I thought they were one of the states that mostly avoided the recession. I wonder how much the percentage of rural population plays into this.
In the ever-so-smug company of the rich and powerful, it is a given that there is never to be any expression of remorse or other acknowledgement of the pain they have inflicted on the lesser mortals they so cavalierly plunder. It’s convenient for them that the media and the politicians, which they happen to own, rarely connect the dots between the scams that made the rich so rich and the alarming rise in the federal debt that is crushing this nation.
… Lost in this faux debate is the reality that our debt now looms so large because the government had to bail out many of those same corporations, quite a few of which, like General Electric and AIG, pay no taxes and have no problem paying truly obscene amounts to their top executives. GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt, whom President Barack Obama named chairman of the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, is making as much as he did before the recession hit, a recession that his GE Capital division did much to cause with its reckless loans. AIG, saved with a government infusion of $170 billion, has just lavishly rewarded its top executives but has providing no relief for the homeowners ripped off by its phony credit default swaps.
The AIG deal was engineered by then-President of the New York Fed Timothy Geithner, who was rewarded for his efforts to save the bankers by being named Obama’s treasury secretary. Geithner, an energetic member of the team of Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers that ran Treasury when the Bill Clinton administration cooperated with congressional Republicans in gutting regulation of the financial community, is proud of saving the banks from the wreckage that they and the Clinton policies caused. Last October, he proclaimed the TARP banker bailout program “the most effective government program in recent memory.”
What he is referring to is that in order to escape the federal restrictions on executive compensation, the banks have been eager to pay back the TARP funds. What he and other apologists for the Obama and George W. Bush administrations’ Bankers First program choose to ignore — as Paul Atkins and two other members of the Congressional Oversight Panel for the Troubled Asset Relief Program revealed in a damning Wall Street Journal column titled “TARP Was No Win for the Taxpayers” — is that the banks are not paying back the trillions of dollars in non-TARP governmental assistance that saved them from bankruptcy.
“It hides the full story of the government’s financial crisis effort, of which TARP is but a minor part,” the op-ed column said of the maneuvering. The major part is the $1.1 trillion in toxic-mortgage-based securities that the Fed purchased, relieving the banks of their obligations, and the $380 billion bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, organizations that backed those securities, along with “other Fed and FDIC programs (that) added another $2 trillion of taxpayer money at risk to the 19 stress-tested banks alone.”
What Geithner celebrates is a shell game of his own construction in which far more costly federal programs, with no serious restrictions on banker greed, were used by the banks to “repay” the TARP funds. Nothing was obtained in return from those banks in the way of mortgage cramdowns to keep people in their homes or any restrictions on the interest rates that banks charge on credit cards: Clearly usurious rates of more than 25 percent are now the norm for those struggling to keep their families above water. No wonder consumer confidence is down, the housing market is expected to decline an additional 10 percent over the next year, and the job market is predicted by most of the experts to stagnate for years to come. Continued tax breaks for the 1 percent of the population that controls 40 percent of the nation’s wealth will do nothing to restore the confidence of the other 99 percent of consumers who are suffering so.
This at least Obama seems to understand, but count on him to betray his own better instincts by once again following the advice of his treasury secretary and the Wall Street crowd that contributed so lavishly to his first presidential campaign and whose support he seeks once again.
It’s convenient for them that the media and the politicians, which they happen to own, rarely connect the dots between the scams that made the rich so rich and the alarming rise in the federal debt that is crushing this nation.
Scam or not, it’s the rich’s money and they should not even be taxed more. Why? It’s THEIR money because they EARNED it. No matter that it was fraudulently redistributed from the middle and poor to the rich. We have no right to steal their money just because we want to live in a Utopian dream where the producers are punished.
I’m not very good at explaining this stuff but I’m sure drumminj, 2Banana, nickpapageorgio, Rush and Beck will again explain it to you. And using very consistent soundbite points as well.
“The AIG deal was engineered by then-President of the New York Fed Timothy Geithner, who was rewarded for his efforts to save the bankers by being named Obama’s treasury secretary.”
“It hides the full story of the government’s financial crisis effort, of which TARP is but a minor part,” the op-ed column said of the maneuvering. The major part is the $1.1 trillion in toxic-mortgage-based securities that the Fed purchased, relieving the banks of their obligations, and the $380 billion bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, organizations that backed those securities, along with “other Fed and FDIC programs (that) added another $2 trillion of taxpayer money at risk to the 19 stress-tested banks alone.”
What Geithner celebrates is a shell game of his own construction in which far more costly federal programs, with no serious restrictions on banker greed, were used by the banks to “repay” the TARP funds.
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This is key, because any time some of us complain about the “bailouts,” there are always some banker apologists who will claim that, “the TARP was paid back…WITH INTEREST!”
Nobody discusses the other, much more costly, parts of “The Bailout” because they have been spread out and covered-up in such a way that it’s difficult to keep track of what’s been spent, and what will be spent in the future as so many of the taxpayer-backed guarantees get tapped.
I’m way too lazy to click the link. Here’s the thing: When the gap between the rich and the poor increases, the rich generally (eventually) end up getting POORER. That’s because an elitist economy is not a healthy economy. The smart money has an understanding of this concept, and therefore does not attempt to fleece the worker and the middle class. All economies are built from the bottom up.
For instance, among those who in 1996 were in the very highest income group isolated for study — the top 0.01 percent — 75 percent were in a lower income group by 2005. The median real income of super-rich households went down, not up. The rich got poorer.
Ha, “TrueDeceiver’s™” don’t use Trix’s, ’cause Trix’s is for kids!:
Here is an illustration of it, (”The great unseen”), happens:
The “suffering” & their children who are not required to defend the Nation that protects their families wealth speaketh thus:
“Money? what money? oh, that money, yeah well that’s all there is,…really! No, we have not been saving coffee cans! You mean those things that “certain others” use to hold their disposable coins? You’re so silly,…really! You have no respect for the talents of the people we use to use you,… er, to Trix’s you.
The article merely points out that today’s super-rich aren’t the same as yesterday’s super-rich, (ie that the top .1% twenty years ago isn’ t all the same people as the top .1% today) not that today’s super-rich aren’t comparatively way more wealthy than they used to be.
What a joke
So over a 10 year period of time some of the elite moved out of the top 0.01%.
1. Retirement
2. death
3. bad year maybe they move in and out of the top 0.1% depending on when they sell stock . What if they moved to the top 0.2% big F’n deal.
I was wondering if anyone else noticed what I did in the attached chart, beyond the fact that median asking prices have been cut in half since the bubble top.
Hint, look at the last bit of the median and low line (yellow and pink)
Asking prices, yes. The low pretty much flat lines at 100K, the median at 180ish. Those are manipulated numbers. There is no way an unfixed market acts that way, especially when listing have meanwhile been oscillating.
NAR (whether in or out of cahoots with the banks) is fixing prices.
“I can only surmise that the vacant housing is adding to rental demand still and propping up rental rates?”
Shadow inventory can`t be rented or purchased.
“Buying More Time in Your Home – Steps to postpone your move”
Not just the vacant housing inventory but also the 36ers looking for another 2 years of the good life. 2 articles below shows they will get more time in a house they are not paying for, the more time they get the longer rents will stay higher than they should be. For people in my (most of our) situation it`s a lose/lose situation.
Foreclosure prevention workshop tonight in West Palm Beach
Topics covered in the workshop include:
• Securitization – Where the problems began
• Loan Review – How to identify errors in your loan papers
• Loan Modifications – Aggressive techniques in working with banks
• Federal Foreclosure Programs – HAMP and HAFA
• Buying More Time in Your Home – Steps to postpone your move
Yes, the inventory being kept off the market is affecting rents as well.
This is why, during the bubble, I was arguing that rents would go UP as the bubble burst. Most people were claiming that they would go down. They are most certainly up in our ‘hood.
Foreclosure prevention workshop tonight in West Palm Beach
by Kim Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
The Neighborhood Community Foundation is holding a free foreclosure prevention workshop tonight at the Crowne Plaza Hotel in West Palm Beach.
It’s the second West Palm Beach visit for the non-profit group, which says it is returning because of an overwhelming response from homeowners when it was here April 5.
“Our call center was swamped with homeowners anxious to gain clarity about the circumstances surrounding their foreclosure,” said Jim Boyer, the organization’s spokesperson.
The program runs from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. The Crowne Plaza Hotel is located at 1601 Belvedere Road, West Palm Beach.
Topics covered in the workshop include:
• Securitization – Where the problems began
• Loan Review – How to identify errors in your loan papers
• Loan Modifications – Aggressive techniques in working with banks
• Federal Foreclosure Programs – HAMP and HAFA
• Buying More Time in Your Home – Steps to postpone your move
• Protecting Against Foreclosure Predators
• County Agency Resources
• Potential Legal Defenses
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1. Get in the Game Says:
April 19th, 2011 at 8:07 am
“Homeowners anxious to gain clarity…surrounding their foreclosure”
The only correct word in that statement was THEIR.
They do NOT ‘own’ the house. (The Creditor does)
It is a house NOT a ‘home.’ (A RE trader trick to leave your rational side and tie a bunch of emotion to a commodity)
Of course they are anxious. (They want to stay in the house longer for freeeeeeeeeeee or at least stay rent free for another 500+ days)
Typcial, I do not read squat about paying back the money they borrowed.
Only on how to receive MORE free money, MORE entitlements, MORE lawsuits, MORE rent free months, more and more of giving stuff away for freeeeeeeee.
Americans just continuing to be lazy and undisciplined!
Priceless…
2. Governor Skeletor Says:
April 19th, 2011 at 8:36 am
NO HELP FOR THE DEADBEATS!! THROW THEM INTO THE STREETS>>>SELL THE HOME TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!!
3. WPB Esquire Says:
April 19th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Love to keep these folks in THEIR HOME for FREE for as long as possible.
The longer the better…longer rent-FREE time for them; more fees for ME.
Why should these folks pay the loan back ?? America was build, and continues to be build, on a few who have been stealing from the masses for decades.
That’s why now there are approximately 500 BILLIONares, and thousands of MILLIONares in america; all squeezing the last nickel and dime from the masses because “they” never have enough money.
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 6:19 p.m. Monday, April 18, 2011
Florida homeowners pounced on the state’s Hardest Hit foreclosure prevention program Monday morning as the online application process opened on a first come, first served basis.
Local agencies fielding the applications received their first requests for the $1 billion in federal housing aid just 20 minutes after the 9 a.m. start time, surprising some organizers who thought it would take an hour for homeowners to complete the process.
By 1 p.m., 200 applications had made their way to Paul Baltrun, director of homeowner assistance for the Law Office of Paul A. Krasker in West Palm Beach.
Krasker’s firm is among 14 groups in Palm Beach County approved by the Florida Housing Finance Corp. to handle homeowner applications for Hardest Hit money.
“I was expecting a high volume, but not in that short period of time,” Baltrun said. “I think people were logged on to their computers and ready to go.”
Because of how the Florida Housing Finance Corp. application website rolled into operation Monday, homeowners in South and Central Florida got a five-minute head start on the rest of the state, said corporation spokeswoman Ceeka Green.
“It just worked out that those in the hardest hit part of the state got in about five minutes before the top part of the state,” she said.
About 40,000 unemployed and underemployed Floridians are expected to receive Hardest Hit money. The program will pay six months’ worth of mortgage payments up to $12,000, or up to $6,000 to bring late loans current.
The money is meant to keep people in their homes while they seek better-paying jobs or find alternatives to foreclosure. A homeowner cannot be more than 180 days in arrears on mortgage payments to qualify for the program.
“The money is meant to keep people in their homes while they seek better-paying jobs or find alternatives to foreclosure.”
How about a McJob to pay for that McMansion?
Would you like Granite with that?
HIRING BLITZ: 175 local jobs up for grabs today
By Susan Salisbury Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 9:27 a.m. Tuesday, April 19, 2011
A job at McDonald’s is more than a McJob.
Though burger-flipping gigs bear the brunt of “You want fries with that?” jokes, they have been the starting point for more than 75 percent of McDonald’s restaurant managers and 50 percent of the company’s owner-operators, the company says.
Today, its first “National Hiring Day,” McDonald’s says it will hire 175 crew members and managers at 77 Palm Beach County and Treasure Coast stores. Nationwide, the goal is to add 50,000 employees.
The McDonald’s initiative and other large-scale hiring announcements are signs that the so-called jobless recovery is no longer jobless, said John Challenger, chief executive officer of outplacement company Challenger, Gray & Christmas in Chicago. McDonald’s also is targeting segments of the population with higher-than-average unemployment rates.
“Sometimes an illegal may be a better option over some of the sloths working at 1st/Grant. The anglo workers at the counter there seem pretty bitter and angry at the world. Never friendly, rarely say a word.”
That Mickey D’s is very near the Arizona Slim Ranch. Place even looks unfriendly from the outside. To the point where I don’t even go in there to use the restroom. I’ll wait ’til I get home, TYVM.
“The money is meant to keep people in their homes…”
Bullshit! This money is meant to keep balance-sheets intact at megabanks and keep big bonuses coming for the banksters. The squatters would stay no matter what. What a crock of crap.
Its just another form of bailout for the corrupt, broke, insolvent banks.
I wouldn’t pay $10 much less $76.47 to go to a football game. If I do decide to watch football I much prefer the T.V. in my living room.
NFL ticket prices on the rise.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The average ticket price for professional football games increased 4.5 percent this year to $76.47, even as some teams struggled to fill every seat.
The increase comes largely at the expense of the fans of the New York Jets and New York Giants, who face ticket price increases of 38.1% and 26.0% respectively. Both teams play in a $1.6 billion new stadium in New Jersey.
But prices pushed higher despite 15 NFL teams either keeping rates steady or lowering prices, according to a survey conducted by Team Marketing Report, a group that tracks ticket prices.
In fact, only nine of the NFL’s 32 teams have prices above the league average, with New England Patriots fans forced to fork over the most cash for a ticket: $117.84.
David Carter, executive director of USC’s Sports Business Institute, said the tough economy is certainly playing a role in pricing decisions made by management, and that some teams soften the blow of a price increase by including price breaks on concessions or parking.
But fans that buy tickets as part of season ticket packages should consider themselves lucky. The increase in the average face value of tickets is dwarfed by resold tickets in the secondary market.
But do you think the owners and players are stupid enough to kill the goose that lays $9 Billions a year? This is just a sideshow; a boom for lawyers and sports media.
Seats will be filled by corporate people. That’s been happening for some time now. Make it harder for average Joe to afford it and fill the stadium with the suits.
Are there that many suits? Mile High (cough … Invesco Field) seats of 70,000. I mean sure, they fill the luxury boxes, but most Broncos fans are ordinary schlubs.
Meanwhile the players are paid quite highly. Why not have each player “adopt a game” to offset the price increase? For an 80K seat stadium, a player keep the tickets at last year’s prices just by donating $275K for one game. Peyton Manning could probably find that in his couch cushions.
Americans Shun Cheapest Homes in 40 Years as Owning Loses Appeal
(Bloomberg)
The most affordable real estate in a generation is failing to lure buyers as Americans sour on the idea of home ownership.
Victoria Pauli signed a one-year lease last week to stay in her rental home in Fair Oaks, California. She had considered buying in the area, where property prices have slumped 57 percent since a 2005 peak.
In the end, she decided it wasn’t worth it.
“I know people who have watched their home values get cut in half, and I know people who are losing their homes,” said Pauli, 31, who works as a property manager for a real estate company. “It’s part of the American dream to want to own your own home, and I used to feel that way, but now I tell myself: Be careful what you wish for.”
The most affordable real estate in a generation is failing to lure buyers as Americans like Pauli sour on the idea of home ownership. At the end of 2010, the fourth year of the housing collapse, the share of people who said a home was a safe investment dropped to 64 percent from 70 percent in the first quarter. The December figure was the lowest in a survey that goes back to 2003, when it was 83 percent.
“The magnitude of the housing crash caused permanent changes in the way some people view home ownership,” said Michael Lea, a finance professor at San Diego State University. “Even as the economy improves, there are some who will never buy a home because their confidence in real estate is gone.”
Worse Than Depression
Historically, homes have been a safer investment than equities. During 2008, the worst year of the housing crisis, the median U.S. home price declined 15 percent, compared with a more than 38 percent plunge in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index.
Americans stay in their homes for a median of eight years, according to the National Association of Realtors in Chicago. Someone who bought a home in 2002 and sold in 2010 saw a 4.8 percent increase in value, based on the annualized median price measured by the group. The average annual gain in the past 20 years was 4.2 percent.
“Americans stay in their homes for a median of eight years, according to the National Association of Realtors in Chicago. Someone who bought a home in 2002 and sold in 2010 saw a 4.8 percent increase in value, The average annual gain in the past 20 years was 4.2 percent.”
and paid a Realtor 6% to sell it.
Meanwhile back at the ranch…..
“She had considered buying in the area, where property prices have slumped 57 percent since a 2005 peak.”
Andy, haven’t seen you in awhile (I haven’t been here as much either, work demands more and more of my time)..
What community was that condo in? I live in Hobe Sound, so I’m very familair with the area.
Any word on the nightmare that is the Landmark (a condo ranging to about 1M dollars that was built in a mall parking lot in S. FL (Palm Beach Gardens, to be exact))? That, and the Marina Grande (another condo with high prices built in a warzone, walking outside is like taking an evening stroll through Bagdad) are my fav “bubble condos” in this area. Well, and the Tao (in Weston), that’s a real winner too.
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Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-19 13:38:01
It’s the Jamestown condo building. Nice, overlooking a golf course with great I95 access. Sold in 1979 for $35,900 and in 2011 for $19,900.
Most expensive in Marina Grande is listed at $459K. Least expensive active is $190K and pending is $145K. You would have to pay me to live there.
Most expensive in Landmark is listed at $1.25 million while the least expensive is $329K. I’m not exactly sure what the appeal of living in a mall parking lot is.
Comment by Overtaxed
2011-04-19 14:03:10
There’s not enough money to get me to live in the Marina Grande. Maybe people are buying it for “possible appreciation” and then renting it out. I can’t imagine actually paying a few 100K and then living in that area (for those not from the area, it’s probably one of the worst neighborhoods in all of S. FL, consistently the ranking in the top 5 for murders/rapes/arrests/etc).
The Landmark just makes me laugh. As does the Tao. Who came up with the idea of putting huge condo towers in mall parking lots? It’s so silly, and yet, somehow they still are finding people to pay a premium price for a “Macy’s storefront view”? I guess there really is something for everyone!
Average annual gain in the past 20 years was 4.2 %
And still shrinking as we speak.
And of course, let’s not mention the defacto inflation rate during this same period was 4.2% or more. So, even at bubble pricing, you weren’t breaking even.
Where are they getting THAT from? It certainly isnt the case in my neck of the woods. We’re maybe - maybe - at 2003 pricing - and that’s on the rare deal where wishing prices are not involved.
Housing Starts in U.S. Increased 7.2% in March to 549,000 Pace
April 19 (Bloomberg) — U.S. housing starts gained in March, as work began on 549,000 houses at an annual pace, up 7.2 percent from the prior month, figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. Building permits, a proxy for future construction, rose 11 percent to a 594,000 pace.
A gain in March housing starts failed to make up for ground lost the prior month, as U.S. home builders continue to struggle almost two years into the economic recovery.
Work began on 549,000 houses at an annual pace, up 7.2 percent from the prior month and exceeding the 520,000 median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News, figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. Starts fell 19 percent in February to the lowest level in almost two years.
Housing, which pushed the economy into the recession, remains the weak link in the recovery and continues to weigh on consumer spending as home prices fall. The prospect of more foreclosures and joblessness forecast to average 8.7 percent this year means any recovery in housing may take time to develop.
“We remain at very low levels,” said Richard DeKaser, an economist at Parthenon Group in Boston, who correctly forecast last month’s increase. “The best description is bumping along the bottom. The underlying trend is one of stability or modest improvement since we hit our low point a couple of years ago.”
Big U.S. Firms Shift Hiring Abroad
Work Forces Shrink at Home, Sharpening Debate on Economic Impact of Globalization. ~ WSJ
U.S. multinational corporations, the big brand-name companies that employ a fifth of all American workers, have been hiring abroad while cutting back at home, sharpening the debate over globalization’s effect on the U.S. economy.
The companies cut their work forces in the U.S. by 2.9 million during the 2000s while increasing employment overseas by 2.4 million, new data from the U.S. Commerce Department show. That’s a big switch from the 1990s, when they added jobs everywhere: 4.4 million in the U.S. and 2.7 million abroad.
U.S. multinational corporations, the big brand-name companies that employ a fifth of all American workers, have been hiring abroad while cutting back at home, sharpening the debate over globalization’s effect on the U.S. economy.
Debate? Uh, isn’t it as self evident on the noses on their editorial faces?
Great News…The starter Home i bought in the San Fernando Valley, North Hollywood Calif for $ 230 K in 1992 and sold for for 635k in 3/04 is now on the market for a wishful 475k…This made me feel so good,as i have remained a happy renter all these years…
I don’t think the debt issue will be addressed in any serious way until the majority of the voting public is directly impacted by it. Or until the majority is immediately threatened in the near future.
Until then, the attitude is, “It’s still running, it’s not clear yet that there will be any real problem (see Michael Moore and his “America isn’t broke” comments).”
I have a suspicion though that this borrow/spend horse we’re on will be run until it collapses.
The other day, I noted that I thought that the Keynesian concept of government spending more in bad times, but paying down the debt in good times was fatally flawed, as the government could not bring itself to wean itself from deficit spending in good times.
Alpha-sloth said that this was wrong - that the debt was being paid down by every president till Reagan.
I looked into the issue and found a chart on Wikipedia:
The debt continues to increase every year. It is true that at Reagan, it began to increase at a very high rate, and has remained so. But, no president ever reduced the debt after WWII.
So my point stands.
Government will keep running the debt horse till it collapses I think.
“Government will keep running the debt horse till it collapses I think”.
That is an absolute fact! No thinking about it! Yet millions that are paying attention believe the likes of congress and the fed can or will change direction, and save our system. Ain’t gonna happen, period.
as the government could not bring itself to wean itself from deficit spending in good times.
By “the government” I think you should distinguish the political parties. In good times, Democrats banked the money instead of cutting taxes. In good times, Republicans cut taxes instead of banking the money. I thought Keynes required that you bank the money in good times. If you don’t do that, you can’t blame Keynes.
I’d really like to see a citation regarding the Democrats banking the money versus Republicans spending it.
Democrats have their constituencies to whom they funnel money and Republicans have their constituencies to whom they funnel money.
Politicians are politicians - money helps get them re-elected and allows them to live in the manner to which they are accustomed. I think it is utterly inaccurate to believe that Democrat politicians’ basic instincts regarding money and spending are any different than Republicans’.
Maybe I’d be the Kennedys’ weird neighbor in Hyannisport, but I think that watching the wind turbines would be cool. And, if I could afford one, I’d get a summer place on the Cape just so I could enjoy them.
“Lenders would be required to make sure prospective borrowers have the ability to repay their mortgages before giving them a loan, under a proposal released by the Federal Reserve on Tuesday.”
The Fed (as we know it) has been around since 1914, and this concept is still only a “proposal”!!
“Lenders would be required to make sure prospective borrowers have the ability to repay their mortgages before giving them a loan, under a proposal released by the Federal Reserve on Tuesday.”
Really? Wow! What a concept, I am so glad the ivy league brain trust is in charge. A poor old dumb southern boy like myself could have never conjured up something so brilliant. Of course it’s just a proposal, so it ain’t gonna happen.
“Lenders would be required to make sure prospective borrowers have the ability to repay their mortgages before giving them a loan, under a proposal released by the Federal Reserve on Tuesday.”
Wasn’t that the standard pre-housing-bubble mortgage loan underwriting formula? Kudos to the Fed for reinventing the wheel!
“Lenders would be required to make sure prospective borrowers have the ability to repay their mortgages before giving them a loan, under a proposal released by the Federal Reserve on Tuesday.”
There’s a lot of money to be made from sucking money out of the public treasury. And a lot of politicians eager to make that happen in return for kickback–sorry, “campaign contributions”.
So I’m not getting too excited about real reform. Yet anyway.
Two real-a-tors in our area ( central S.C.) are starting a new home building company. Listened to an ad they put out, went along the lines of…
“With over 5 decades of real estate experience we are in a unique position to understand the wants and desires of today’s home-buyer. Our team of experienced professionals we guide you through the process from start to finish. Isn’t it time to build the home of your dreams? With today’s low rates and easy financing there has never been a better time to build on your tomorrows. Go ahead you will not regret building the home you deserve. Call on us, and lets get started”.
This is like scalpers wanting to coach for the NFL. “With over 5 decades of scalping we are in a unique position to understand….we guide you through the game from start to finish…”
That’s because they are changing the existing paradigm through re-purposing of exciting resources, causing a synergistic shift of fundamental tasking and thus achieving excellence in the field of excellence achievement!
Beaufort Board: hike property tax or close schools
HILTON HEAD ISLAND, S.C. (AP) — The Beaufort County Board of Education says it will consider closing schools if the county council won’t approve a property tax increase.
The education board has voted to begin to take steps to close at least one or more schools starting in the 2012 school year.
Board member Wayne Carbiener says the board faces cutting major programs, increasing class size and laying off teachers because they have squeezed all the money out of the budget they can.
The board says it still needs the county council to raise taxes by 3 percent on vacation homes and commercial and personal property. State law exempts primary residences from property taxes to fund school operations.
(Reuters) - The U.S. economy appears to be running dangerously close to stall speed, and the rest of the world may not have enough oomph to compensate.
At the start of 2011, growth looked solid. The U.S. unemployment rate was finally dropping, consumers were in a spending mood, and economists were busily upgrading first-quarter growth projections to the range of 4 percent.
Those forecasts are falling fast. Many economists now think the U.S. economy grew at a sluggish 1.5 percent to 2 percent pace over the first three months of the year, and one forecaster even raised the possibility of a negative reading.
Whether this is a short-lived blip or a more worrisome dip depends largely on which way oil prices move, and how consumers and businesses around the world respond.
Goldman Sachs economist Andrew Tilton said downside risk was “unfortunately a phrase we have been using a lot lately.”
A quiet week for economic data probably won’t bring much, if any, good news. The highlights include a clutch of U.S. housing reports, which will serve as yet another reminder that the real estate slump persists.
Emerging markets have been the strongest global growth engine, giving advanced economies an export boost. But rising inflation pressures mean many countries will be clamping down on credit conditions, which would curb growth. Barclays Capital called inflation the “predominant risk” facing China.
GLASS HALF FULL
As for the United States, Barclays cut its first-quarter growth forecast to a rate of 2 percent from 3.5 percent, not quite as gloomy a forecast as some other Wall Street banks have published.
But Barclays economist Michael Gapen said the forces holding back first-quarter growth would likely prove “temporary” and the firm raised its second-quarter growth forecast — a rarity these days.
Gapen said economic measures such as industrial production and employment “have all been moving in a way that is consistent with strong, not weak, economic growth.”
American consumers have kept up spending on durable goods, including buying autos which should be sensitive to rising oil prices, and that bodes well for growth, Gapen said.
The flip side of that argument is that consumer confidence faded as oil and gasoline prices spiked, and if that translates into slower consumption the economy will suffer. Consumer spending accounts for some 70 percent of the U.S. economy.
“The extra cost of about 70 cents per gallon, relative to prices at the end of 2010, is siphoning off household income at a run rate equivalent to $100 billion per year — income that otherwise could have been spent on other goods and services,” Goldman’s Tilton said.
His firm is still forecasting that consumer spending will pick up in the second quarter, but he said that “will require a fortuitous combination of circumstances.”
In a sign of the sluggish economy’s devastating impact, state government revenue across the country dropped by nearly one third in 2009 - the sharpest decline in 60 years, the Census Bureau said in a new report.
States saw record-breaking losses to their pension funds and in their tax revenues, as the recession wreaked havoc on payrolls and investments,
Revenues plummeted by 30.8 percent, from $1.6 trillion in 2008 to $1.1 trillion in 2009, according to the report.
It was the most dramatic drop the Census Bureau has seen since it began collecting state revenue data in 1951.
States reported a total $477 billion drop in “insurance trust revenue” - mostly money from pension funds, while tax collections fell by $66 billion.
And the worst may still be to come.
Fiscal 2012 “will actually be the most difficult budget year for states ever,” said Nicholas Johnson, director of the state fiscal project at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, in an interview with The Washington Post.
The center reported last month that states will see budget shortfalls totaling more than $140 billion next year as they continue to wrestle with depressed revenue levels while federal stimulus dollars and reserves run out.
House Votes to End Taxpayer-Financed Union Negotiators
Michigan Capitol Confidential | 4/18/2011 | Tom Gantert
In the Troy Public School District, a teacher whose total compensation tops $139,000 is paid by the district to do union business. There are 39 other school districts that have similar arrangements and these cost taxpayers $2.7 million.
House Bill 4059 would end that practice. It passed the state House of Representatives on a vote of 59-47 this week. All Democrats and three Republicans voted against the bill.
The Republicans voting with Democrats against the bill were Reps. Ed McBroom, R-Vulcan; Paul Muxlow, R-Brown City; and Dale Zorn, R-Ida.
The bill still needs to be passed by the state Senate and the signed by the governor to become law. It is sponsored by Rep. Marty Knollenberg, R-Troy.
“Paying someone with taxpayers’ dollars to negotiate against the taxpayer – it makes no sense,” said Rep. Dave Agema, R-Grandville. “It’s an abuse of taxpayers’ dollars by one of the wealthiest unions in the states.”
Doug Pratt, spokesman for the Michigan Education Association, didn’t return an email seeking comment.
Some of the agreements are in union contracts. The bill wouldn’t impact those arrangements until they expired. But the union officials couldn’t be paid by taxpayer dollars in future agreements.
I’ll spell out how it works for our Republican friends. I’ll use small words, hoping that they will understand.
The union reps are also employees. When they do union business, they “clock out” as employees, and “clock in” as union reps.
THEY STILL GET PAID BY THE COMPANY, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE DOING UNION BUSINESS. JUST LIKE THE MANAGERS AND HR PEOPLE THEY ARE TALKING TO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE.
These guys don’t just talk about money. They talk about serious HR issues, like sexual harrassment, prejudice in hiring/firing, safety, exposing people to toxins and developing rules for handling disputes like these.
I’ve been on both sides. A properly managed company-union relationship has benefits for both parties. If nothing else, a properly negotiated contract spells out the “rules” everyone is going to play by. Differences of opinion/judgement are decided/negotiated/worked out thru the grievance procedure. A contract spells out acceptable behavior for BOTH parties.
As I’ve said repeatedly, bad management came a long time before bad unions.
If you don’t have them addressing these issues internally, I guarantee you that a lot more of it would end up in the courts. And lawyers aren’t cheap. Of course, addressing it internally instead of thru the courts is ever considered “savings”
2banana, as most Republicans do nowadays, only looks at the business/union relationship through his own narrow “unions are parasites” perspective. He seems to believe that the downfall of the West is going to be due to union teachers making $40K a year, and union janitors making $10.
If the country implodes, it’s going to be more because of the financial stupidity of the management class, and their fluffers in government who can’t seem to put financial crooks in jail
Here are some simple points that you seem to ignore:
1. These are PUBLIC unions. No corporations involved.
2. These union goons are paid $139,000 per year by the taxpayer to work for their own public union.
3. There are no “two sides” in negotiations with public union goons. There is one side taking as much as they can and the taxpayer picking up the tab.
4. Public unions are the reason cities, counties and states that are going bankrupt.
American is changing. If MICHIGAN sees the problem with public union goon – we are well past the tipping point.
1. As much as you trash government managers, you should be SUPPORTING unions. As bad as private sector management is, you must assume that government management is twice as bad.
Disputes between management and labor are going to be solved somewhere. We’re not talking some half-azz little shop with 5 employees and a “my way or the highway” owner/manager.
2. How many union members/employees do these “union goons” represent? A large number of people may well require a full time union rep. Do you want your productive managers bogged down in grievances or litigation?
3. Your statement is non-sensical on its face. If what you are saying was true, union members would be making as much as the CEOs.
4. Your statement implies ALL government is going bankrupt because of union contracts. Wrong. Nobody held a gun to the head of these managers to sign these contracts. And are their pensions excessive, or are the plans in a bind because of reduced revenue, and the banksters trashing the pension fund’s investments?
Just for the information of the audience………what do YOU think is “fair compensation” for a police officer/fireman/teacher?
what do YOU think is “fair compensation” for a police officer/fireman/teacher?
Whatever the market decides. Just like any other job out there. What’s fair compensation for an airplane mechanic. For a software developer. For a realtor?
There’s not an objective answer. The closest thing is what a rational market will decide, given supply and demand.
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-04-19 17:09:34
Cop out.
You guys are always talking about “union thugs” getting into your pockets.
You are a taxpayer. Tell us what you think. Should these guys be taking a vow of poverty in order to provide service to the community?
The so called “market” says a half-azzed wide receiver is worth a couple million bucks a year, and a bankster is worth several hundred million, no matter how badly he fooks up.
Don’t make me laugh about the “market” being smart. The “market” would rather low ball everyone, then pay someone else to come in again and fix the fook ups, than pay someone a decent price to fix it right the first time.
Lets just pay our cops $10/hour, and after 5 years, when all our police departments are populated with scumbags being bought off by Mexican drug dealers, we’ll clean house, do what we should have done to begin with, and pay out the nose to get the PD back to where it was.
Comment by ecofeco
2011-04-19 17:31:35
The market always decides it wants to hurt and kill you.
The market needs rules to efficiently allocate resources. Left to its own devices, a capitalist/free-market oriented society morphs into oligarchy/plutocracy.
Without any rules, you get Mogadishu.
A properly regulated market, designed to prevent monopoly and price gouging, and controlled to yield maximum benefit to the society in which it operates, will yield maximum benefit to society.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-04-19 21:00:45
“A properly regulated market, designed to prevent monopoly and price gouging, and controlled to yield maximum benefit to the society in which it operates, will yield maximum benefit to society.”
These guys don’t just talk about money. They talk about serious HR issues, like sexual harrassment, prejudice in hiring/firing, safety, exposing people to toxins and developing rules for handling disputes like these.
You’re wasting your breath. Ideologues like bananaboy aren’t interested in facts.
“He seems to believe that the downfall of the West is going to be due to union teachers making $40K a year, and union janitors making $10.”
And nothing will convince him to believe otherwise.
He reminds me of one of the other foreman I used to work with. would have had “Fox News” on Twitter, if Twitter had been around. Constantly butting heads with the union/non-union guys over trivial BS. Running his crew with the “my way or the highway” management style. Screwing with people, just because he felt like he could. Constantly over at HR fighting grievances filed on him
And year in and year out, his projects were always over budget and late, while everybody else’s looked fine.
I had one grievance filed on me in 9 years. For taking an airplane out to do engine runs (bargaining unit job), so my guys could go to lunch one night. The steward filed it, mainly because I did it right in front of him, where he couldn’t ignore it. Grievance went away when I promised I’d try to avoid a future re-ocurrance.
You’re wasting your breath. Ideologues like bananaboy aren’t interested in facts…And nothing will convince him to believe otherwise.
Not even gettin’ “owned”.
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Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-04-19 18:17:59
It almost seems these clowns want to get owned. Out of hundreds of inane rambling and yammering posts I’ve yet to read one that isn’t laced with corporate think tank talk. It’s quit pathetic really.
ORLANDO, Fla.(AP) – Florida officials are investigating an unemployment agency that spent public money to give 6,000 superhero capes to the jobless.
Workforce Central Florida spent more than $14,000 on the red capes as part of its “Cape-A-Bility Challenge” public relations campaign. The campaign featured a cartoon character, “Dr. Evil Unemployment,” who needs to be vanquished.
Florida’s unemployment agency director asked Monday for an investigation of the regional operation’s spending after the Orlando Sentinel published a story about the program. State director Cynthia Lorenzo said the spending appeared to be “insensitive and wasteful.”
Workforce Central Florida Director Gary J. Earl defends the program, saying it is part of a greater effort to connect with the community. The agency says it served 210,000 people during its last fiscal year, placing nearly 59,000 in jobs.
State director Cynthia Lorenzo said the spending appeared to be “insensitive and wasteful.”
Come on Cynthia, a long time friend of mine lost his job last year and came to me seeking advice. I told him the first thing I would do is go out and buy a red cape and blue tights and shirt with a big red U on it. Then I would wear it down to the unemployment office and on every job interview I went on.
Mortgage denied: Sometimes, for no good reason
April 19, 2011
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Getting a mortgage just keeps getting tougher, and many home buyers are getting rejected for loans they could easily afford.
The issue: Tighter standards from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government entities that back mortgages made by banks.
Banks are reluctant to make loans without the Fannie and Freddie guarantee, and loans backed by them account for just about every mortgage written these days.
In 2009, the agencies lifted the minimum credit score that borrowers must have from 580 to 620. That’s probably for the best.
But they’ve pushed through a host of other requirements as well, and that means real estate deals don’t get done, even for some relatively low-risk borrowers.
“You can have one Fannie/Freddie guideline you violate and that gets you rejected,” said Alan Rosenbaum of GuardHill Financial.
A quarter of all mortgage loan applicants get denied for loans, according to the Federal Reserve. Many other potential home buyers never even try to get loans, said Jerry Howard, president of the National Association of Home Builders.
“The pendulum has swung too far in the other direction,” Howard said. “This overreaction is retarding the housing market recovery.”
Gas Prices Nearing Point Where Americans Cut Back
Tuesday, 19 Apr 2011 Christian Science Monitor
With about six weeks to go until the summer driving season begins, the price of a gallon of gasoline is just 18 cents away from the record price of $4.11, which was set in the summer of 2008.
The prices at the pump hit a national average of $3.83 a gallon on Monday, according to AAA. That’s close to the point where consumers say they will have to start cut back to pay their fuel expenses. This could adversely affect restaurants, malls, and entertainment venues that count on people driving to get there. Some analysts say it’s one reason the stock market has been struggling recently, including on Monday, when the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 140.24 points to close at 12,201.59.
“I am sure the rising cost of energy is bothering the market,” says Fred Dickson, chief investment strategist at D.A. Davidson & Co. in Lake Oswego, Ore. “I do think the uptick in gasoline prices will have an impact on consumer spending in the next few quarters.”
Perhaps, because gas prices have been rising for months, most Americans are not surprised. In a survey last month, the Gallup Organization found the average American expected the price of gasoline to peak this summer at $4.36 a gallon. Some 20 percent of respondents thought the price could go as high as $5 a gallon.
Nearly every spring, the price starts to climb as refiners shift over to their summer blends, which are more expensive to produce. On top of that, this spring has seen disruptions in the oil market because of the turmoil in Libya.
On Monday on the New York Mercantile Exchange, the price of oil fell $2.31 a barrel to $107.35, in part reflecting a move by China to try to slow its soaring economy.
According to Gallup’s chief economist, Dennis Jacobe, the “psychological point” where people start to change their driving habits is $4 a gallon for gasoline – up from $3.50 a gallon in the past.
“At $4 a gallon, you get people who might have money to spend otherwise, but with the amount gasoline costs, they start to cut back in response to the price,” Mr. Jacobe says. “At $4 a gallon, they park the extra vehicle if they have two cars and use the most efficient one, and they make fewer trips. It really does have a subtle effect.”
And, pray tell, WHY should it get more expensive as they “shift to summer blends”. It’s not like summer never shows its face at the same time every year. It’s always “summer” somewhere.
And there is always some “disruption” of some kind or other happening all the time. Year in and year out.
Speculators/OPEC run the market. Governments know this, and choose to do nothing. No problem, J6P will eventually have to pay the freight, one way or the other. So plan accordingly.
Don’t bring any of this “free market” babble around me, unless you want me to laugh in your face.
Funny how they’re always looking for a magic price that serves as the tipping point. There is also a time variable to this as well. A sustained period of higher fuel prices will be more corrosive than some headline number.
I heard this at $690. I heard this at $900. At $1200. Then i sold a handful or two sometime between $1200 and $1496. Not disappointed. Cash is king. Gold is king.
IIRC, Aladinsane left the US for New Zealand a couple years ago. Gold was between $900 and $1,000 per ounce. And I got the idea that he was 100% into gold. If he had perth gold based in Australia, he probably still has a few hundred ounces. If it was in the US in physical metal, he probably sold it all. If he sold it all, what a bummer!
$50 billion (MORE than all the recent arguments to cut the 2011 budget) wasted in the obama payback to save unsustainable unions jobs, benefits and pensions.
Add to the obama pile of wasted billions to save unsustainable banks, wall street firms, cities and states.
Hope and Change. We got it!
4 MORE YEARS!
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U.S. Hurries to Sell GM Stake
Wall Street Journal | 4/19/2011 | SHARON TERLEP
The U.S. government plans to sell a significant share of its remaining stake in General Motors Co. this summer despite the disappointing performance of the auto maker’s stock, people familiar with the matter said.
A sale within the next several months would almost certainly mean U.S. taxpayers will take a loss on their $50 billion rescue of the Detroit auto maker in 2009.
To break even, the U.S. Treasury would need to sell its remaining stake—about 500 million shares—at $53 apiece. GM closed off 27 cents a share at $29.97 in 4 p.m. trading Monday on the New York Stock Exchange, hitting a new low since its $33-a-share November initial public offering.
I don’t understand why some Americans are so eager to see GM fail. I would rather see a successful, profitable GM, and so far that appears to be the direction they are headed. As for their stock price, are other auto manu’s doing any better?
To put $1 billion in perspective, check the wiki page “Eclipse Aviation”…….
For the illustrious story of Eclipse Aviation, a company that burned thru 2 billion dollars of private equity and creditor money, co-opted and corrupted the FAA aircraft certification process, while turning out 260 half-azzed, incomplete, unsupportable mini-biz-jets.
I don’t understand why some Americans are so eager to see GM fail. I would rather see a successful, profitable GM, and so far that appears to be the direction they are headed.
Even though I’m a hardcore pedalhead, I don’t want to see GM fail either. Yes, I do want it to get over its case of the terminal stupids, but that’s not the same as rooting against it. Not by a longshot.
So what would you have done differently? Let GM die on the vine? Even other automakers (that includes foreign ones) didn’t want to see that happen, as it would have put many suppliers out of business, suppliers that other automakers depend on.
Compared to the Wall St. bailouts, the GM bailout was a blip, and unlike with the vampire squid it actually saved real jobs, and not just a GM.
Personally, I have many reasons to be disenchanted with Obama (his being a Wall St. lapdog is #1 on my list). But to decry him because he saved what by some estimates were as many as 2 million jobs, it just shows that you have an ideological ax to grind. And let there be no doubt, had McCain won, GM would have been bailed out.
A traditional bankruptcy reorganization is what GM needed. What they got was an unconstitutional bailout/government led bankruptcy complete with government ownership in the new entity.
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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-04-19 17:09:32
A traditional bankruptcy reorganization is what GM needed.
Why? Do you think GM was facing a “traditional”, “free-market” abroad? Socialized medicine in GM’s competition’s countries, national retirement plans superior to our Soc Sec, unfair import quotas in GM’s competition’s countries and certain government subsidies in GM’s competition’s countries have acted as a De Facto bailout for GM’s foreign competition for DECADES. This “GM couldn’t compete” stuff is bunk. Compete against subsidized and sheltered foreign car makers who don’t even have to worry about paying high pensions and health-care premiums because their “socialized” health-care and pensions kick our a$$?
So you preach the free-market mantra but don’t realize the stacked deck globalization B.S. has hobbled U.S. manufacturing and then you would throw one of USA’s last strategic manufacturing assets to the wolves because they couldn’t compete in an unfair globalized market that helped cause its demise?
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-04-19 17:16:25
A traditional bankruptcy would basically have meant the end of the US auto industry.
The Chinese would have bought all the intellectual property at pennies on the dollar, and walked on everything else.
All the subcontractors would have gone down the crap tube, and the same thing would have happened with them.
Of course, none of this really matters, because GM sold cars to Middle Class Americans, and we are going to be out of the new car market for a long time.
Nobody on Wall Street or the top 5% on the income bracket gave a ratz-azz about GM, because they all bought German cars anyway. Detroit cars are for losers.
“And let there be no doubt, had McCain won, GM would have been bailed out”.
You are absolutely correct! McCain would have done the exact same thing. There is no difference between the two in that respect. In fact there is little difference between the two period. His(Barry’s) voters have found that out. Well, all except for the truly stupid.
I would have let GM “fail” as any non-performing business that can’t pay it’s debts and obligations should. They should have filed bankruptcy, that is the way it should be, and that part of the system works. They could have reorganized, streamlined and set about becoming a successful company again or been bought up a stronger one. Either way it’s to late now and GM is still a sick group propped up by taxpayers, hardly a winning formula.
Obama meets with what the White House describes as “senior administration officials and stakeholders” to discuss plans for tighter border security border as well as a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who are already in the U.S.
At the risk of playing devil’s advocate, let me put this idea out there:
The path to citizenship, if any such thing manages to pass both houses of Congress, will probably be long and rocky. And that will be the point.
And, if we can get an effective E-verify system to go along with this path, it will serve as quite the motivation to self-deport. As in, get out while the getting is good.
And, if we can get an effective E-verify system to go along with this path, it will serve as quite the motivation to self-deport
Certainly that would be nice, though it would mean nothing without enforcement (that is the actual job of the executive, no? Perhaps they should be focusing on that first)…
It still doesn’t sit well with me that we’d “reward” people who have blatantly broken the laws of this country.
The reality is that nobody want to see a re-run of “stuffing Mexicans into trains, for “resettlement” in the South”.
People would buy into reality, and recognize some kind of amnesty program is inevitable, except for the fact we were sold the same bill of goods back in 1986.
The illegals got amnesty up from, while the rest of us were promised “tough enforcement” that never seemed to happen.
We don’t need any new laws, just start throwing a few thousand contractors/restaurant owners/roofers/Tim Geitners in jail for 5 years for hiring illegals, and the problem will fix itself.
Yep. They were pumping that $8,000 “credit” for buying a house, remember? How’d it work out?
The median price of homes sold in March was $123,000, down from $136,000 in March 2010. Association president Bill Malkasian says buyers were “highly motivated” last year because of the federal homebuyer tax rebates.
Malkasian tells the Journal Sentinel that mortgage interest rates and income levels have remained about the same as last year.
Yeah, they were “highly motivated” all right, and the Realtors were jumping up and down there (and here) about how “it’s a great time to buy with the nice tax credit!”
There’s one problem, of course - they didn’t mention that prices were going to fall another $13,000, which means your $8,000 credit in fact cost you $5,000.
Oops.
Now to be fair, they obviously didn’t know that in advance. But it wasn’t hard to figure out that the bottom hadn’t actually been hit in many if not most of these areas. That didn’t stop the pumping - around here we had the local Realtors saying “it’s time to get in the game” (while holding a football on a local field.)
Locally, Zillow says our median was $202k was last year. This year? $187,000, so your $8,000 tax credit in fact cost you $7,000. Oh, and let’s not forget that this fine Realtor (and his cronies in the deal) who had “your” best interest at heart and was absolutely certain that it was time to “get in the game” pocketed $12,000 in commissions (at 6%) suckering you into overpaying by that same 15 large, which netted you a very nice $8,000 loss (of course he’s not responsible for his puffery and you should trust him in the future, right? Exactly how many times do you like getting kicked in the nuts?)
You got gamed all right….
Incidentally, for not much more than that loss, net-net, you could have rented the same house and owed nothing (same 2010 average rental for the same “median” house was $850, or $10,200 - and you didn’t have to pay property taxes or hazard insurance on the house either.)
Given taxes and insurance rates around here you were way ahead to rent rather than buy.
Only down $13,000 so far on average due to their decisions to take $8K tax credit? I’m frankly surprised the median is not off by more, as $8K credit with leverage can serve to fluff prices by far more than $8K.
I’m probably ignoring an important detail, which is the median-priced home now selling for $123,000 is likely a more desirable home than the one which previously sold for $136,000. I.e., last year’s $136,000 home has dropped in value by more than $13,000.
Hookers, pimps and gang members arrested in Polk prostitution sting
By Bianca Prieto
Orlando Sentinel
Posted: 7:54 a.m. Tuesday, April 19, 2011
Polk County deputies arrested 60 people, including a Disney worker, during a week-long operation targeting on-line prostitution.
Deputies arrested 36 women and 24 men, including many Central Florida residents and several from out-of-state.
“Some arrived alone. Some car-pooled; and some arrived in taxis, bringing along their children, condoms, and STDs,” Sheriff Grady Judd said in a statement.
“Detectives targeted online escort services who promote prostitution…Detectives saw a 15-year-old run-away who brought her infant child along, a pregnant woman, a school bus driver, gang members, and pimps.”
Among those arrested was Travis Hill of Davenport, who said he worked for Disney as an audio technician. Hill was charged with one count of solicitation.
Also arrested is Hector Febus-Ojeda, an Orlando man with breast implants.
Febus-Ojeda was charged with one count of soliciting prostitution. Deputies say he posted an ad on backpage.com in an area with the escort services specializing in transsexual escorts, Polk authorities said.
Officials and an undercover detective negotiated a sex act for $300. “Upon arrival Ojeda revealed his breast implants to the undercover detective,” Polk officials said in a report.
Jorge Marcado, 41, of Orlando, was charged with deriving proceeds from prostitution. Deputies identified Febus-Ojeda and Marcado as Mears taxi drivers — however, a company spokesman said Febus-Ojeda never worked for the company.
Spokesman Roger Chapin said Marcado’s name is similar to that of a driver, but not exactly the same. He couldn’t confirm if Marcado is a Mears employee or not.
Others arrested included a 15-year-old runaway from Chicago who arrived at the undercover location with her pimp and 2-month-old child. The alleged pimp, Jonathan Padilla, and the baby stayed in the car while the girl went to meet the undercover officers.
Not that I’m an authority on the subject, but I think prostitution is about paying for sex. Or more to the point, paying for the “partner” to go away afterwards.
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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-04-19 23:19:33
‘Or more to the point, paying for the “partner” to go away afterwards.’
Getting away from your coworkers & customers at the end of the day is definitely an advantage of any typical employment situation…
“We’re all prostitutes, when you get right down to it.”
You must have a really, really broad definition of ‘prostitute.’ I know many people who definitely don’t meet any reasonable definition of the term.
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Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-04-19 21:12:14
See my definition above. True, it is pretty broad.
Anyone who has resisted choking the crap out of some asshat that dearly deserved it, because he was worried he would lose his paycheck, is basically giving away a little piece of your self respect for free. Your employer is sure never going to compensate you for it.
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-04-19 21:45:55
“Anyone who has resisted choking the crap out of some asshat that dearly deserved it, because he was worried he would lose his paycheck, is basically giving away a little piece of your self respect for free.”
Anyone who has succumbed to the temptation to choke the crap out of some asshat that dearly deserved it has typically given away a big piece of his future livelihood in exchange for a little piece of self respect.
I work on preserving self respect without yielding to base urges.
“In Brazil prostitution is not illegal. Pimping is illegal.”
Was it illegal to watch “Pimp My Ride” in Brazil?
And if so, did they have to change the name to “Prostitute My Ride”?
Pimp My Ride was a TV show produced by MTV. Each episode consists of taking one car in poor condition and restoring it, as well as customizing it. The original American version was hosted by rapper Xzibit (one episode featured guest host Chamillionaire).
“But anthropologist Thaddeus Blanchette says his research tells another story: In Rio, the vast majority of sex workers are like Milena, adults who have had other jobs and freely choose prostitution because it pays so well. They are former maids, cooks, store clerks — even interns.
“They have to spend a year, maybe two, in a free internship after they leave university in order to get a good job in a profession,” he says. “And there are a lot of men and women who turn tricks to make ends meet during that internship as well. So it’s a very diverse group.”
I thought it was telling that unpaid interns are turning to prostitution to make ends meet. Coming to a city near you?
Public Retirees Surge as States Cut Benefits to Shrink Deficits
~ Bloomberg
Teri Essex retired a year earlier than planned when she was offered $56,000 to leave her elementary-school teaching job in Elk Grove, California.
Instead of accepting a salary cut, larger classes and less money for supplies from spending reductions made last year by California lawmakers closing a $19 billion budget deficit, Essex, 60, took the money over nine years to retire in 2010 after 21 years of teaching.
“The financial buyout was a no-brainer,” said Essex, whose school was 15 miles (24 kilometers) outside Sacramento. Even though she’ll give up about $300 monthly by quitting early, she said, “Once you start thinking about retiring, it was like, ‘Oh yeah, I want to do this.’”
California, Florida and Texas are seeing more retirements as rising benefit costs, pay cuts and looming furloughs prompt workers to leave. Inducements to quit early also boosted departures in New York as U.S. states tackled budget gaps totaling more than $540 billion since fiscal 2009, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. In New Jersey, Wisconsin and Ohio, added motivation came from attacks on unions over costs that strained budgets.
“These are people electing to retire because they’re worried,” Jeffrey Keefe, who teaches labor and employment relations at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey, said in a telephone interview. “They are demoralized by the current public-employee condemnations.”
Potential Brain Drain
One-third of state and local workers with special skills, such as teachers, nurses, legal staff, engineers and managers, will be eligible to retire within five years, said Elizabeth Kellar, president of the Washington-based Center for State and Local Government Excellence, a nonprofit research organization. Retirements delayed by the recession and an increase in eligible workers contributed to the recent increases.
That may exacerbate a brain drain at states and municipalities, where employment has fallen by 2.5 percent since its peak in August 2008, according to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data. Since 1995, the number of state employees outside education is little changed.
This depiction of a beached middle-aged white male and the article that accompanies it are too depressing to offer comment; except perhaps that now is not the time to buy a home.
An exclusive NEWSWEEK Poll proves what every wife intuitively knows: unemployed middle-aged men are sad, tired, and defeated.But here’s the rub: they’re also in denial.
What does housing-starts data have to do with copper? Is it a matter of barely-increased demand for copper wiring? Or do the Wall Street analysts expect new home construction to soon return to 2005 levels?
Good luck with that plan.
Metals Stocks
April 19, 2011, 3:56 p.m. EDT Gold hits key level of $1,500 an ounce
Gold rises, settling at another record
Gold futures move higher; silver gains
By Claudia Assis and Sue Chang, MarketWatch
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Gold futures closed at a record Tuesday after bouncing off $1,500 an ounce, getting a lift from a weaker dollar and longer-running worries about debt-strapped developed markets.
Copper and other metals, which started the day on firmer ground, held their gains after getting a boost from housing-starts data.
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Can’t wait for the Republiscum to catch the blame for crashing the economy, due to saber rattling over the debt ceiling, which led to the S&P debt ratings downgrade threat.
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. — On his 104th day in office, Rep. David Schweikert stepped before about 60 of his constituents here and, like an economics professor, flipped through one scary chart after another to hammer home his point: America faces a tidal wave of debt.
Then he asked for a show of hands: If you were a freshman congressman like him, would you vote to raise the government’s debt limit?
Two hands went in the air.
He got the same reaction at another town hall meeting, and he expects it again at a tea party forum later this week.
Schweikert, a Republican, isn’t sure if he’d raise his hand, either.
This is his dilemma: He knows Congress has little choice but to raise the amount of money the government can borrow to prevent the economic havoc sure to follow if the United States defaults on its loans. He also knows doing so is deeply unpopular — not only among his conservative base, but among some moderates and liberals, too.
“I desperately want to vote ‘no,’ ” Schweikert said at the town hall. “I also desperately don’t want [the economy] to crash.”
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More than a dozen accused pimps and others allegedly involved with a large, multi-gang prostitution ring based in Oceanside pleaded not guilty to racketeering charges in a federal courtroom Tuesday.
Most of the defendants, many of them said to be members of subgroups of the Crips gang, traded their blue gang colors for the white jumpsuits of federal inmates.
The arraignment for 15 defendants in a San Diego federal courtroom came a day after federal authorities announced they had indicted 38 people and had broken up a major “slavery” ring in which Oceanside gang members conspired with owners of a hotel and used the Internet to prostitute underage girls.
Other defendants, some of whom are being shipped to San Diego from prisons around the state or country, are to be arraigned in the coming days.
Players in the alleged enterprise went by street names such as Craze, Lunatic and Easy Money. The women worked out of hotel rooms and advertised online, prosecutors alleged. One of the alleged pimps gave a fellow alleged pimp a prostitute for his birthday, according to the indictment.
This case may be related to a similar but much smaller 2009 bust in Oceanside, during which —- according to court documents —- police said at the time that they suspected the Oceanside Travelodge was knowingly used as a brothel.
A hotel’s owner and his son are named as defendants in this case, and federal prosecutors are asking to seize the property.
In court Tuesday, Assistant U.S. Attorney Alessandra Serano asked that the members of the gang be held without bail, arguing that they were dangerous to the community and at risk of fleeing prosecution.
The hearing to determine bail for most of the 15 defendants is set for Friday afternoon.
Two of those arraigned Tuesday were women accused of being what are known as “bottoms,” which are senior or trusted prostitutes who help recruit and train other prostitutes.
Also in court were the Oceanside Travelodge owner, Vinod Patel, and son Hitesh Patel. Prosecutors said the Patels allowed the prostitution, tipping off the gang members if police came around. They are also accused of charging the pimps and prostitutes higher amounts to use the rooms.
“We are asking people to please keep an open mind. He’s a very good man, very well respected man in the community,” defense attorney Michael Pancer said of his client, the elder Patel.
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Dismissed just days ago as an exercise in self-promotion, Donald Trump’s flirtation with a White House run appears to be picking up steam as the real-estate magnate moves toward establishing the rudiments of a campaign.
In an interview with WSJ reporter Kelly Evans, Donald Trump revealed that should he not receive the GOP presidential nomination, he may run as an independent candidate.
The real-estate developer and reality-television star is reaching out to Republican Party activists, both in Washington and in early states such as Iowa, and is talking to an array of potential handlers, pollsters and operatives.
In an interview, Mr. Trump said people are finally realizing he is serious. “Originally they said, ‘Oh, Trump is just having a good time,’ ” he said. “Then they were saying, ‘Well, this is getting interesting.’ Then, as of today they are really taking it seriously. I’m not playing games. I am totally serious.”
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I propose shutting down Wall Street firms that pose future bailout risk to deal with the debt problem. We recently learned that trillions of American tax dollars can be put at risk by too-big-to-fail firms. Why not shut them down, or at least break them up into non-systemically risky pieces, before they rape, rob and steal from the American people yet again?
Despite growing concerns about the country’s long-term fiscal problems and an intensifying debate in Washington about how to deal with them, Americans strongly oppose some of the major remedies under consideration, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
The survey finds that Americans prefer to keep Medicare just the way it is. Most also oppose cuts in Medicaid and the defense budget. More than half say they are against small, across-the-board tax increases combined with modest reductions in Medicare and Social Security benefits. Only President Obama’s call to raise tax rates on the wealthiest Americans enjoys solid support.
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I suppose the Yahoos don’t get why a 15 percent drop in home prices might be worse at a household level than a 38 percent drop in equities. The reason in a nutshell: LEVERAGE.
For comparison, suppose a household invested $100,000 in equities and another $100,000 in a house purchase at the beginning of 2008, where the $100,000 constituted a 20% downpayment on the house. Under the above assumptions, the 38 percent drop in equities generates a $38,000 loss (38%*$100,000), while the 15 percent drop in housing generates a $75,000 loss (15%*$500,000). So though the percentage drop in home prices is smaller, due to the pernicious effect of leverage, the investor loses 75% of his home equity stake but only 38% of his (unleveraged) stock portfolio’s value.
Conclusion: REAL ESTATE TRULY IS THE WORST INVESTMENT.
Victoria Pauli signed a one-year lease last week to stay in her rental home in Fair Oaks, California. She had considered buying in the area, where property prices have slumped 57 percent since a 2005 peak.
In the end, she decided it wasn’t worth it.
“I know people who have watched their home values get cut in half, and I know people who are losing their homes,” said Pauli, 31, who works as a property manager for a real estate company. “It’s part of the American dream to want to own your own home, and I used to feel that way, but now I tell myself: Be careful what you wish for.”
The most affordable real estate in a generation is failing to lure buyers as Americans like Pauli sour on the idea of home ownership. At the end of 2010, the fourth year of the housing collapse, the share of people who said a home was a safe investment dropped to 64 percent from 70 percent in the first quarter. The December figure was the lowest in a survey that goes back to 2003, when it was 83 percent.
“The magnitude of the housing crash caused permanent changes in the way some people view home ownership,” said Michael Lea, a finance professor at San Diego State University. “Even as the economy improves, there are some who will never buy a home because their confidence in real estate is gone.”
Worse Than Depression
Historically, homes have been a safer investment than equities. During 2008, the worst year of the housing crisis, the median U.S. home price declined 15 percent, compared with a more than 38 percent plunge in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index.
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Whatever. I personally don’t envy wealth, and I don’t resent it, so long as the wealthy don’t have a license to steal from me.”
Trudat. Most teachers have this attitude, that’s why industrialists hate teachers: we don’t need railroad companies, insurance conglomerates, and oil wars to be happy.
I want to make shirts that say, “I was in the TEA party before being miserable was cool!”
Come on Muggy, you know that you live “lavishly”, especially when a CEO earns in two hours what it takes you a whole year to make!
Sub taught today in Bend. Made $150. Had fun teaching Alg 1,2… unfortunately I left the teachers graphing calculator on her desk a moment too long. It disappeared. Since it prolly won’t re-appear, I figure I’m out about $150. (It was entrusted to me!) I love teaching though, watching those pretentious kids learn. My surgeon’s daugter was in my pre-calc class.
That’s about it for industry around here. Medical, dental, education. Lots of ready lots and tons of empty homes; too expensive for average joe to buy destined to gather cobwebs.
and Bend is laying off high school teachers this year, eliminating what is deemed fat; but is sustinence for some (interior design nixed). Sports funded at high school; but no PE to speak of in elementary. Kids PE teacher was laid off and now our kids get 2 days/week taught by their own classroom teachers. Also same with music. And my wife serves em up 200 hot meals and 75 breakfasts all by herself. cooking, charging, stocking, etc. For 3.5 hours(she has to take 1.5 hrs off btwn breakfast and lunch; even though she could generate charge slips and get more payments and “free and reduced” apps processed w/ a little more time. But more time=bennies. So she has to beg to get even 15 extra minutes to clean up after processing 200 meals in 1.5 hrs. And since she is short staffed and the meals are small; middle schoolers sneak extra lunches(k-8 community school). Something’s gotta give its bare bones.
Guess we shoulda paid those property taxes…..along with all those other working shlubs who cant make ends meet.
“(It was entrusted to me!)”
Lol, subs at my schools get
1. roster
2. nothing else
I envision towns like Bend, OR slowly dying off.
~There are a couple thousand banks on the critical list from what I am reading, and the top 10 a not surprising. Not that it matters, but it is being very well hidden from public view, not that the general public cares.
FDIC’s Bair: Banks may need new capital buffers.
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair said in an interview published Monday that regulators may want to require large financial institutions to have separate capital buffers for their investment banking units.
“I think [for] the very largest ones we will need to see some structural changes. I’d like to get some public comment on the idea that if you have an investment banking affiliate… that [should be] on stand-alone liquidity and capital,” Bair told the Financial Times.
Bair’s comments come as the FDIC released a report saying that had the Dodd-Frank bank reform law been in effect when Lehman Brothers collapsed in 2008, management there would have sought a deal more urgently, creditors would have gotten substantially more and faster, and systemic instability would have been limited.
The failure of Lehman Brothers and the institution’s cumbersome bankruptcy process shocked the markets and subsequently led regulators to approve a more than $180 billion bailout of troubled insurer American International Group Inc.
Stand alone liquidity and capital? Why bother? Just spin it off. Separate companies definitely have stand alone liquidity and capital.
Isn’t that what the 1932 Glass–Steagall act did quite effectively all the way up until 1999 when William J Clinton signed off on its repeal?
The corporate media news coverage of the Fwank-Dudd “banking reform” fig leaf sure did an excellent job of completely ignoring Glass-Steagall and the fallout from its repeal. I wonder why?
And let’s not forget it was Phil Gramm (R- (McCain’s Economic Advisor) who helped draft the repeal of Glass-Steagal.
Both parties are equal organized crime syndicates.
No argument from me on that!
fisher
Yeah, it’s sad, isn’t it. Becoming a Political Atheist is so freeing.
I voted for that a-hole in ‘92. Never quite forgave myself.
What infuriates me is the sweet deals private equity firms receive from the FDIC. In many cases it’s the very same people who ran the banks in to the ground in the first place….
Agreed.
Just a brief recap on local banking loan stupidity, death of a bank and the miraculous lifeboat escape of the sinking ship by the CEO and his executives.
The largest bank in Wisconsin, M&I Bank, to be sold and Associated Bank, which was number 2, is now the largest bank in the state.
“After two years in the red and facing a still-bumpy road back to profitability, Marshall & Ilsley Corp. said Friday it would be acquired by the Canadian parent company of Harris Bank, a move that should invigorate the wounded M&I franchise but will cost Milwaukee a corporate headquarters.
M&I, which is the largest bank based in Wisconsin, agreed to be acquired by Toronto-based BMO Financial Group - known in Canada as the Bank of Montreal - in an all-stock deal valued by the companies at $4.1 billion.
…M&I became a shrinking bank over the last three years as it wrote off hundreds of millions of dollars of loans that went belly up after the housing bubble burst in the late 2000s, leaving M&I with loans that residential and commercial real estate developers and homeowners couldn’t pay back. Many of the loans were in M&I’s Arizona market, where property values have plummeted and M&I has ended up selling off houses and real estate projects at a loss.
…Although M&I has made progress in cleaning up its loan portfolio, the challenging path back to making a profit - plus the prospect of having to raise more capital before it could pay back the $1.7 billion it got from the U.S. Treasury’s Troubled Asset Relief Program - probably made the idea of merging into a bigger, stronger partner appealing for the M&I board of directors and management, analysts said.
…Furlong, who also is M&I’s chairman, will become CEO of the combined U.S. personal and commercial banking business, based in Chicago. He stressed that the bank’s commitment to the Milwaukee area will remain strong.”
It was said that non-performing loans in Arizona and other places killed this bank. Nah, I followed this bank for years and watched it’s it’s demise for years.
It was the arrogant management risk, massive greed and sheer stupidy that killed the largest bank in Wisconsin. Don’t you dare blame Arizona M&I.
Oh yeah, and keep that idiot chairman that ran the largest bank in Wisconsin bank into the ground on board in with the new bank corp and give him a huge bonus. Way to Go !!
http://tinyurl.com/6yflfxq
It was said that non-performing loans in Arizona and other places killed this bank. Nah, I followed this bank for years and watched it’s it’s demise for years.
It was the arrogant management risk, massive greed and sheer stupidy that killed the largest bank in Wisconsin. Don’t you dare blame Arizona M&I.
To the above, this Arizonan says, “Kiss my cactus.”
And, M&I, while you’re at it, smooch a gila monster as well. They’re really good at putting arrogant, greedy, and stupid people in their place.
No worries now that the pension funds will just buy them out!
from Bloomberg today….
“If you can jump through the hoops to get a mortgage, and there will be hoops, then this is an amazing time to purchase real estate,” said Robert Stein, a senior economist at First Trust Portfolios LP in Wheaton, Illinois, and the former head of the Treasury Department’s Office of Economic Policy. “There are going to be a lot of people kicking themselves a few years from now because they didn’t take advantage of the low prices and the low mortgage rates.”
sure thing Bob, how many people are kicking themselves who bought since 2002???????
“There are going to be a lot of people kicking themselves a few years from now because they didn’t take advantage of the low prices and the low mortgage rates.”
Is he suggesting higher mortgage rates will lead to higher prices? In violation of the laws of economics?
If we still were in the home we bought in 2002 we’d be paying it off this year. Pretty home on an acre w/low taxes. We had updated almost everything in the home and I’m talking about roof and windows, not granite and stainless. Sounds idyllic but we weren’t happy there. Everyone’s happier in a 180* way this rental. It’s about the community as well as the house.
CarrieAnn
We sold a 4,000 sq ft hilltop view home with all the trimmings. We weren’t happy. We didn’t like any of the neighbors, the HOA, and decided fancy wasn’t our answer. Nothing idyllic about it. We weren’t “connected” to our home either. It’s about a home, not a house.
The only thing I miss from my 5400 sq. ft. house on 1/2 acre in Chandler, AZ is the rapid appreciation I saw from 2004 and 2005. When it finally sold in 2006, after I had moved into a 1600 sq. ft. rental with very little yard, I never slept better. It was the same bed that I had in the big house and when I closed eyes at night it all looked the same. The only thing that was different was the 400k that I had in the bank after the sale.
Spring is here with a late snow fall and yet another thump hits the peasants and housing in the broke and destitute Kingdom of FitzWalkerstan. All is not well in the land.
Even the robins appear as dazed and confused as the RE agents hopping around lost while the squirrels search the horizon for a white knight riding in with a wheel barrow full of money, jobs and unsalted peanuts.
“MADISON, Wis. — Home sales and the median price of those houses in Wisconsin took another tumble in March.
The Wisconsin Realtors Association said sales of existing homes declined 18.5 percent and the median sale price dropped 9.6 percent compared to the same month last year. About 3,700 homes were sold statewide last month, compared to about 4,600 in March of last year.
The median price of homes sold in March was $123,000, down from $136,000 in March 2010. Association president Bill Malkasian said buyers were “highly motivated” last year because of the federal homebuyer tax rebates.
Malkasian told the Journal Sentinel that mortgage interest rates and income levels have remained about the same as last year.”
http://tinyurl.com/3p4c3y2
Expect this to get worse with loss of MID and continued destruction of the middle class in Wi.
Sold my Townhome in 2006
it changed over the years and the HOA really went up, it was time to go. I rent because it just didn’t make sense to buy at the time I sold. I broke the move up buyer chain instead of rolling the equity into another over priced home I cashed out.
9 out of 10 people thought it was a very bad move at the time
“…9 out of 10 people thought it was a very bad move at the time…”
Awesome timing, which leads to a suggestion: On the outside chance that you might someday want to buy again, wait until 9 out of 10 people tell you it would be a very bad move.
“If you can jump through the hoops to get a mortgage, and there will be hoops, then this is an amazing time to purchase real estate,” said Robert Stein
Just trying another tack to fleece the public. Pretty hard to eat corn on the cob with no f—–g teeth, eh Stein?
LOL, at the BB line.
“There are going to be a lot of people kicking themselves a few years from now because they didn’t take advantage of the low prices and the low mortgage rates.”
About 2 years ago, didn’t the NAR run a TV commercial with that exact same hook?
Data point from Tucson: I think that real estate agents are looking for buyers any way they can.
A few weeks ago, I regaled y’all with the story of the agent I used when I bought the Arizona Slim Ranch back in 2004. Guy was a well-regarded local buyer’s agent. As agents go, he did all right by me.
But his attitude became a real turnoff. He was focused on the upscale golf community buyer, and, well, that just isn’t me. And the nabe in which the Arizona Slim Ranch isn’t exactly what you’d call upscale.
But, if you crave golf, you’re welcome to go over to Mansfield Park and whack a few balls. Plenty of room over in our park for that sort of thing. Just watch out for the kite flyers, cricket players, joggers, and pickup basketball games.
After I moved in here and experienced a variety of problems — both toilets breaking down in the first week of my residency, washer biting the dust, cooler needing replacement — the guy dropped me like a hot rock. I guess I wasn’t fitting into his upscale target demographic. Or something like that.
I even got cut off of his e-mail newsletter list. ISTR that was back in early ‘05. And I heard nothing from him until his “connect with me on LinkedIn” request of a few weeks ago.
I ignored that request.
In yesterday morning’s e-mail, I got a message from him. It was one of those single paragraph messages that filled the better part of the screen. (Dude, there’s this wonderful keyboard thingie called the “Enter” key. Use it to create paragraph breaks.)
I gave up after reading just a sentence or two. The great wall of text was too durn hard to read. The gist of it was that he was with a new agency, and then it appeared to trail off into REIC-speak.
Guess he’s after me because it’s been almost seven years since I bought this place, and I guess that, in his world, that means that I should be a move-up buyer.
Well, he would be wrong. The thought of paying more money just to have a wigwam around me leaves me cold. And I suspect that I’m not alone in this sentiment.
Same old lines, “better buy now before it goes up”, “lowest rates now”etc. Only a real fool would buy now with all the cover up of houses off the market and not exposed to the public/marketplace!
Even though I don’t think that “real,” or inflation adjusted prices will see any noticeable rise over the next 5 years, it’s possible that snagging a house now, with a fixed low rate mortgage could well pay off IF inflation kicks in. A double digit wage/price spiral would eventually make those future mortgage payments significantly less than either rent, or the payments on a high interest rate mortgage, even if the real purchas price was less. I’m not asserting that scenario is LIKELY, but I wouldn’t dismiss it as fantastical in the way that the RE industry dismissed the idea of national price declines.
True, Jim A.
Also, if our currency falls relative to other currencies, there’s certainly a chance that foreign buyers will come in and buy at what appears to be high prices to us (in USD), but low prices for them (in their currencies).
That, IMHO, is the biggest threat to sidelined buyers.
“lowest rates now”
That may prove true through the lens of the rear view mirror. If so, there will be plenty of unsold inventory twisting in the wind for would-be buyers to choose from once rates head back up towards historic norms. Those with savings available to cover a 20% downpayment will be able to easily find a home to purchase at fire sale prices, and the money they put in as a downpayment will offset the higher future interest rate, as you only pay interest on the principle balance of the mortgage, not on your downpayment.
SOOooooo,
What happens when the US credit rating gets downgraded?
Also:
I found a few dead morel mushrooms in my back yard. Isn’t that a sign of something? It feels kinda surreal.
The squirrels in my ‘hood are looking mighty plump these days…
It’s a sign you need to check your yard for morels quite often during this time of year. If yours are still intact, they’re probably fine to eat. The weather or an animal or their own weight probably knocked them over. If they’re rotting or moldy or withered, you missed your chance.
you missed your chance.
Ah, the morel of the story!
Ba-dump-ba!
“What happens when the US credit rating gets downgraded?”
It’ll put more pressure on Congress to get real about our budget and maybe a few other things.
It’s all good, IMO. We, as a country, up until a few years ago, were on the road to doom. Now we are enduring the painfull process of changing the direction we were headed.
The Fourth Turning and all that.
I’m with you. There is an increased likelihood after yesterday that the Congress and Obama will feel the urgency and hence find the means to agree on how to avoid a debt rating downgrade.
“…up until a few years ago, were on the road to doom. Now we are enduring the painfull process of changing the direction we were headed.”
So far we’re enduring nothing. Exactly the opposite, we’ve pressed the pedal firmly to the metal. This entire mess is picking up speed. $1.65 trillion deficit, 11% of GDP and you see a turn around? Where? Military spending off limit. Social security of limit. Medicare/caid off limit. Interest on debt of limit. So 67% of the budget are off limit to address a 40+% shortfall. On the other hand, tax increases off limit. It’s mathematically impossible to come even close to a balanced budget within that framework.
You have a point: looks bad at the moment. But the incentives to change course just were ramped up a lot. Wrenching adjustment dead ahead; exact nature of adjustment to be determined…
So is this an incentive to make changes that have impact or just accelerate the presentation of hocus pocus accounting tricks?
I don’t know how any candidate could have missed that they were being elected this year to roll up their sleeves and do some dirty work. Yet here we sit w/the same refusals to make hard choices we’ve always had. Many in Congress have turned into the same type of mamby pamby spineless wonder they campaigned against. Is it the lobbyist money that turns their attention or the death threats from those who don’t want their punch bowl taken away? FWIW, I don’t think this movie has a deus ex manchina plot twist.
“Wrenching adjustment dead ahead; exact nature of adjustment to be determined…”
Switch to AM/PM coffee rather than the regular latte?
“Yet here we sit w/the same refusals to make hard choices we’ve always had.”
There isn’t a day go by that the local media doesn’t a story about Program X that is so great and necessary and positively mustn’t be cut!!1! Everyone’s griping, cut the other guy not me blah blah. Our local media is so lazy you know that some bureaucrat had called the publisher or station manager, bent his ear and got the sob story written.
“Switch to AM/PM coffee rather than the regular latte?”
Funny coincidence: I joined a friend for coffee this afternoon; craved a latte, but have spent so much as of late on volatile food and energy purchases that I had but $1 left in my wallet. Ended up buying a plain small cup of joe.
“It’s mathematically impossible to come even close to a balanced budget with that framework.”
Which means the framework will be changed, which is what has begun to happen.
No, it means we will keep printing $s, and the debt will be downgraded and then we will default. If you want to see our future, watch what is about to happen in Greece.
Lucy:
I think there is a choice to either print some more money (which has not yet been done) OR to default. I’m trying to figure out how they could end up doing both.
You’re thinking small! Print Money, Default, AND Cut Entitlements!
“If you want to see our future, watch what is about to happen in Greece.”
Does Greece have its own reserve currency?
Yes I see more potholes and broken cracked roads not getting fixed slower traffic…more damages to cars…and yet guvmint employees still get a raise his year.
This entire mess is picking up speed. $1.65 trillion deficit, 11% of GDP and you see a turn around?
“yet guvmint employees still get a raise his year.”
Those people a just a touch better off than you. Don’t be a crab and pull them back into the bucket. Keep your anger more focused on the 1000 or so who did this, be they on a yacht in an affluent suburb of NYC or in DC. Or maybe this game of three card monte is working on you?
Mt Bubble:
Its the serious stupidity that irks me…everyday and nobody is smart anymore…
For example last week they were towing cars on our street so they can replace all the light poles and fixtures on a Wednesday….
Yet on Thursday we have alternate side parking and that whole side is empty at 11am-1 pm no towing no overtime no wasting time struggling to get light fixtures around parked cars to avoid damaging them
all because they couldn’t read a street sign.. and have some common sense…and i see this happening all the time….stupid stupid stupid
Fair enough. That has always seemed like a money making endeavor than a cleaning one. I used to get those occasionally in SF and for not curbing my tires on a hill. So I just bailed out of the system and sold my car. I know that you can’t bail out of every system, but I’m sure trying!!
“yet guvmint employees still get a raise his year.”
Which ones?
Posted at 10:20 AM ET, 11/29/2010
Obama announces 2-year pay freeze for federal workers
By Ed O’Keefe, Perry Bacon and Joe Davidson
Updated 1:15 p.m. ET
Bowing to growing budget concerns and months of Republican political pressure on federal pay and benefits, President Obama today announced he would stop pay increases for most of the two million people who work for the federal government.
The freeze applies to all Executive Branch workers — including civilian employees of the Defense Department, but does not apply to military personnel, government contractors, postal workers, members of Congress, Congressional staffers, or federal court judges and workers.
“Getting this deficit under control is going to require some broad sacrifices and that sacrifice must be shared by the employees of the federal government,” Obama said in a speech Monday afternoon explaining the decision. He added, “I did not reach this decision easily, this is not a line item on a federal ledger, these are people’s lives.”
The freeze would take effect on Jan. 1, pending Congressional approval by the end of this year. The 2012 pay freeze will be proposed as part of fiscal 2012 budget proposals to be unveiled early next year.
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I have no problem with pay freezes, but the cuts are what hurts most — and we’ve had plenty of these in the past few years in local govt.
If teachers, police, firefighters, etc. can take a cut, then our Dear Representatives can take a cut, too, BTW.
The FED will have to buy up more junk/treasuries.
A few basic oberservations:
1. Left to the free market, interest rates on treasuries would increase sharply.
2. Much higher rates would severely restrict borrowing by the government.
3. Restricted borrowing would necessarily lead to restricted spending and lots of sacred cows would have to be slaugthered on the federal and local level.
Military, pensions, food stamps, medicare, unemployment insurance, education, police, teachers, etc.
4. Reduced spending as outlined above would lead to 30+% unemployment with only marginal government assistence in the form of unemploymeny insurance or food stamps.
5. This would lead to wide spread riots. Without well equipped and loyal security forces in place those things can get out of hand rather quickly. History books are full of examples.
Summary: While inflation destroys the value of capital, the main assest of the capitalist, it is still preferable to the alternative which is an angry mob destroying the capitalist himself.
My money is on more QE and an eventual credit downgrade of the US and other major western economies. This does not necessarily lead to hyper inflation but a 10-20% inflation rate is probably sufficient to keep this wreck of an economy moving along for a while. Politicians will always chose the path of least resistance and will at the very most plan 4 years ahead.
I lived in Germany in the 80s. Anybody that would have predicted the demise of the Soviet Union in about 1983 would have been considered a tin foil hat lunatic. I would have bet the farm that I would never see the Berlin Wall come down in my life time. Goes to show, sometimes things not even imaginable today can happen faster than anybody can anticipate.
I don’t see how a credit downgrade can lead to superinflation (10-20% sounds like superinflation to me).
The deficit is 11% of GDP. If you print up 11% of GDP year after year you get inflation. That money finds it way into the economy rather quickly in form of salaries, social security, food stamps, goverment contracts, etc.
What if billions of dollars (trillions?) have gone poof from people’s balance sheets?
Does that balance it out?
“What if billions of dollars (trillions?) have gone poof from people’s balance sheets?
Does that balance it out?”
It depends. Money in balance sheets usually just sits there, especially if it isn’t cash. Unrealized gains don’t cause inflation. Printing and spending does.
But do “unrealized losses”/mark to fantasy = deflation?
All this printing has been done to address the massive holes in the banks balance sheets. None of it is leaking/trickling down to Main Street.
We aren’t too far from a point where a little bout of price inflation (especially fuel) makes a bunch of jobs net money losers; IOW, they will be better off financially by staying home, than losing money going to work. Starting with all those minimum wage service jobs the high school/college set are working.
Of all the proposed “solutions” to the nation’s problems, getting more money to J6P seems to be about #893 on the list.
Of all the proposed “solutions” to the nation’s problems, getting more money to J6P seems to be about #893 on the list.
Not surprising, since the objective is to siphon away whatever wealth the middle class still possesses.
Excellent post, x-GSfixr! Could not agree more.
Check out the 1973-1982 period for an idea of how this can work.
Was the US downgraded during that era?
Ratings are reletive. Every other country was doing worse during that time period.
“Was the US downgraded during that era?”
Don’t know. But inflation ran at double-digit rates for several years straight, interest rates skyrocketed to double-digit levels (e.g. 30-yr Treasury yield of 14 pct or so), until big Paul Volcker tightened credit and broke inflation’s back.
But the inflation that was created before then stays priced in forever.
“Anybody that would have predicted the demise of the Soviet Union in about 1983 would have been considered a tin foil hat lunatic. I would have bet the farm that I would never see the Berlin Wall come down in my life time. Goes to show, sometimes things not even imaginable today can happen faster than anybody can anticipate.”
Which is why I definitely see the break-up of the US into separate nations. Cascadia, anyone? That particular entity is most interesting, as it proposes a merger of parts of the US with part of Canada.
Up until a few weeks ago, I was a bit depressed about the future, now I find it has some rather exciting possibilities.
What makes you think they’ll let you into Cascadia?
“Which is why I definitely see the break-up of the US into separate nations.”
And that could coincide with the repudiation of all debts of the “old” USA. Woo-hoo, a twofer! Oh wait, the FED would be eliminated as well. A three-fer!
The downsides would be trivial by comparison.
The downsides would be trivial by comparison.
That’s probably what the Yugoslavians thought, too.
“That’s probably what the Yugoslavians thought, too.”
Breaking up the U.S. would clearly create internal and external security risks that we would collectively regret. Better to install a government with the temerity to root out criminals from the Wall Street crime syndicate, put them into prison as a warning to would-be future criminals, and reset our banking system with a clean slate.
Here is a prospect that I have heard mentioned:
The PNW forms an alliance with China, Japan and Korea.
The SW either joins Mexico or becomes an independent hispanic state (La Republica del Norte)
The Rocky Mountain and Plains states join Canada
The NE joins the EU
Parts of the South form ties with South America
The Rest of the South and the Rust belt just wither away.
Whoo-hoo! When I wuz a pup, I wanted to travel in SA for a while. Now I’ll get to actually live there.
Brazil has its meathooks into Florida agriculture big time, most people don’t know it and the Brazilians are too polite to crow about it, unlike the Aztlaner crowd. Also Colombia is a major player in some of the ports.
The quiet development of Colombia, with its attendant drop in violent crime, has been an interesting story to follow.
The US is going to fall apart but Mexico and Canada are somehow going to hold it together?
I predict that my kids are going to have a vacation home on the moon.
diddo supercanine
The quiet development of Colombia, with its attendant drop in violent crime, has been an interesting story to follow.
Here in Tucson, we recently had our second annual Cyclovia. The streets of Tucson and South Tucson were closed to automotive traffic for five hours, and guess what? 10,000 people turned out and had a wonderful time.
The original Cyclovia started in Bogota, Colombia during the 1970s. It’s still going. Happens ever Sunday. Good chunk of the central city goes car-free for a few hours. Thousands of people come out to ride bikes, walk, take aerobics classes and rumba lessons, and generally have a good time.
“The US is going to fall apart but Mexico and Canada are somehow going to hold it together?”
Neither has the debt per capita or the outragous military spending that we do. Plus Mexicans are used to being poor.
Hell, *I’m* used to being poor! Trying like hell to get ahead of the curve. Always figured them poor Mex’s were my real competition, not those budding underpaid technocrats in Chindia. So I’m gonna give them Mexicans a run for their dang pesos. Already eat’n a lot of pinto beans & tortillas. Good stuff. They know how to work it too: don’t worry about the law. Just worry about gett’n caught and piss’n off the wrong people. Word!
You don’t think there would be any riots with 20% inflation or perhaps you think wages would grow to keep up?
Riots? LOL!
let me re-phrase:
You don’t think there would be any “kinetic dissent” with 20% inflation or perhaps you think wages would grow to keep up?
I think wages will grow, but they won’t keep up.
That at least creates the illusion that something is being done. So you get a 10% raise, are told that inflation is only 20% (hang in there serf) when its acually 30-40%.
Considering how there is nary a peep from folks as their 6 year old daughters get frisked by the TSA and Wall Street bailed out to the tune of a trillion dollars it’s pretty safe to assume Americans have been successful acquiesced into serfdom.
I have hope for the people of Iceland and Finland.
Do you guys think they will also begin to addres the trade deficit? IMO, the only long-term solution to the budget problem is to fix the trade problem.
Tip the trade imbalance in the opposite direction and all of this goes away. All of it.
First, you have to produce goods that other nations want, and at a price that is reasonable.
the price problem can be fixed by devaluing the dollar…alot.
No problem. Remember when the US was the breadbasket of the world, and we were a net exporter. Why, that was like, ALWAYS, until we dropped our tariffs and stuff. Now we just allow wage arbitrage to rage on unabated as if it were not deleterious, even though it is deleterious. Why do we do that?
I think we didn’t import (much) oil in those days and and one one else had a decent manufacturing base.
“First, you have to produce goods that other nations want, and at a price that is reasonable.”
Precisely the simplistic TV news mantra I would expect from you.
First THEY must repudiate the trade “agreements” that destroyed business units domiciled inside US borders.
Second THEY must establish tarriffs on exports from countries who manipulate their currency. China is case in point.
Yet the blind, deaf and dumb yammer the same old 30 year old worn out cable news/talk radio stupidity like “uhhhhhh… the damn US workers deestroid ‘dis countree.”
Watching the US and so many other governments talk about balancing the budget is laughable. Small measures are proposed that won’t come even close, or measures that might come close are rejected as too extreme. But on the assumption that a budget is accepted that should balance the budget, it won’t. Companies that used to generate income off the government won’t, and their customers will lose revenue and so on. The tax base will shrink.
But let’s assume that a budget can be balanced taking into account the effects of reduced government spending on GDP*. This is only a balanced budget. It still won’t reduce the debt. It’s a measure that’s not even as good as making the minimum payment on a credit card. One small hiccup and it’s back to deficits.
So back to the original question. What will the effect be of a decreased credit rating? It will force the US government to get serious about the only real option: default. To myself, the only question is whether the default will be via haircuts or newly printed dollars.
I submitted a lengthy post why I believe in more QE. Seems to have gotten caught in the spam filter.
We can’t take the pain of fiscal prudence. It’s too late in the game anyway, we’ve crossed the point of no return back in 2008.
Politicians will at most plan 4 years ahead and will always chose the path of least resistance. That path spells more QE. That’s where my money is long term.
That being said, watch what happens when QE2 ends. All mayhem
will break lose within a few month, like in a deflationary collapse. Soon everybody will cry uncle and by the fall we have QE3.
I tend to agree with you on this.
The interest rate on a 10-year T-Note dropped from about 3.45 to 3.37. If S&P issues another downgrade, maybe we can get the interest rate down to 3.0!
Realtors Are Liars
Gay teens in liberal areas less likely to try suicide than those in conservative areas
CHICAGO — Suicide attempts by gay teens — and even straight kids — are more common in politically conservative areas where schools don’t have programs supporting gay rights, a study involving nearly 32,000 high school students found.
denverpost (DOT) com/nationworld/ci_17870072?source=rsshomemiss
OMG kids that are hated and told they are worthless are more likely to commit suicide? Why was this posted?
“Why was this posted?”
Free homes to suicidal gay teens!
Why was this posted?
Agreed. We’re usually off-topic in the bitch bucket, but this one seems way out there.
“Agreed. We’re usually off-topic in the bitch bucket, but this one seems way out there.”
LMAO…. coming you…. ~shakinghead~
OMG (gay) kids that are hated and told they are worthless are more likely to commit suicide? Why was this posted?
Because it’s confusing. It doesn’t make much sense. Why would the more Christian conservative areas be more hateful towards gays than would be liberal areas? Liberals are probably less likely to be real Christians and Christianity is the religion of peace and love. I mean did Jesus preach hate? No, I don’t think he did so what gives?
Could that article possibly be accurate?
+1 +1 Rio…I feel the same way…Saw Ann Coulter last night on the FOX talking heads with the crucifix hanging around her neck…What a friggen hypocrite…
CHICAGO — Suicide attempts by gay teens — and even straight kids — are more common in politically conservative areas
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The sentence doesn’t make sense.
“and even straight kids” - do you mean straight teens or straight kids younger than teens????
And if you add the qualifier “and even straight kids” — doesn’t that change the sentence to “suicide attempts by teens are more common in politically conservative areas”??
This is why newspapers are not worth paying for.
The talking point du jour is that there’s really not much money to be gained by increasing taxes on the rich. Anybody got any numbers to back that up? Because the very few links provided thus far have been pretty weak.
I’ll provide links that show that taxing the wealthy is the solution to most of our budgetary problems.
If there is a place where the soon-to-be-taxed rich can easily run and hide the taxing the rich won’t work out very well, which means it may work on a Federal level but not work on a state level.
It’s fairly easy for people to change the states they live in, not as easy to change the countries; This is one of California’s problems.
Here is a data point to back you up. And yes, the uber rich can move anywhere in the world.
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Millionaires Go Missing
Maryland’s fleeced taxpayers fight back.
WSJ - May 27, 2009
Here’s a two-minute drill in soak-the-rich economics:
Maryland couldn’t balance its budget last year, so the state tried to close the shortfall by fleecing the wealthy. Politicians in Annapolis created a millionaire tax bracket, raising the top marginal income-tax rate to 6.25%. And because cities such as Baltimore and Bethesda also impose income taxes, the state-local tax rate can go as high as 9.45%. Governor Martin O’Malley, a dedicated class warrior, declared that these richest 0.3% of filers were “willing and able to pay their fair share.” The Baltimore Sun predicted the rich would “grin and bear it.”
One year later, nobody’s grinning. One-third of the millionaires have disappeared from Maryland tax rolls. In 2008 roughly 3,000 million-dollar income tax returns were filed by the end of April. This year there were 2,000, which the state comptroller’s office concedes is a “substantial decline.” On those missing returns, the government collects 6.25% of nothing. Instead of the state coffers gaining the extra $106 million the politicians predicted, millionaires paid $100 million less in taxes than they did last year — even at higher rates.
The Maryland state revenue office says it’s “way too early” to tell how many millionaires moved out of the state when the tax rates rose. But no one disputes that some rich filers did leave. It’s easier than the redistributionists think. Christopher Summers, president of the Maryland Public Policy Institute, notes: “Marylanders with high incomes typically own second homes in tax friendlier states like Florida, Delaware, South Carolina and Virginia. So it’s easy for them to change their residency.”
All of this means that the burden of paying for bloated government in Annapolis will fall on the middle class. Thanks to the futility of soaking the rich, these working families will now pay Mr. O’Malley’s “fair share.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124329282377252471.html
The uber-rich can also hire the very best lawyers, so I guess we shouldn’t even charge them with crimes either.
Sigh. It must be nice to be uber-rich, above all laws and taxes, with patsies who defend your position fervently.
You want to deal with reality or live in a your “make everything fair” fantasy world???
If you tax the wealthy or corporations too much and they just leave.
The middle class can’t leave. That is why all these “tax the rich” ideas eventually end up taxing the middle and lower classes.
And yes - the uber rich do pay for crimes. There are plenty of multi-millionaires and billionaires in prison right now (Madoff, Enron folks, Worldcom folks, etc).
But picking up and leaving a high tax state/country is not against the law (yet).
“If you tax the wealthy or corporations too much and they just leave.”
Moving from one state to another for tax reasons is relatively easy- even done by the middle class. Moving to another country, and renouncing your citizenship in the US, is another matter.
Some might go so far, but aren’t they the types that already are paying almost no taxes, through the various legal tax dodges the wealthy enjoy now?
I mean, really, renounce your US citizenship rather than pay a few more points in taxes? Who are these people? Do we want them here?
You want to deal with reality or live in a your “make everything fair” fantasy world???
How about trying to make the “make everything fair fantasy world” into the reality and making you and your puppetmasters deal with it?
“Moving from one state to another for tax reasons is relatively easy- even done by the middle class.”
And even that isn’t done all that much. Take Wyoming vs. Colorado. Wyoming has no state income tax while in Colorado its a flat 4.6%.
There is no exodus from Colorado to neighboring “low tax” Wyoming.
None.
The only rich people in jail are the ones that crossed the Wall Street banksters.
“There is no exodus from Colorado to neighboring ‘low tax’ Wyoming”
Apples and oranges I’m afraid. Colorado has much to offer while I’d challenge you to find anything great about MD…at least to the wealthy.
There is no exodus from Colorado to neighboring “low tax” Wyoming.
That’s true, but it’s mostly due to jobs.
“That’s true, but it’s mostly due to jobs.”
But shouldn’t Wyoming be a jobs creation paradise? With no personal or corporate income tax it should be a jobs magnet.
I just bring Wyoming up as an example because I was once offered a relocation to the Cowboy state. Cheyenne and Laramie just didn’t have all that much appeal and the 2-3K I would have saved on state income tax wasn’t good enough of an incentive to move there.
“Colorado has much to offer while I’d challenge you to find anything great about MD…at least to the wealthy.”
LOL! A lot of transplants out here (some from your neck of the woods) complain that Denver is a “cow town”. It’s also tough to make a decent living out here, and many transplants end up returning home with their tail between their legs.
I do agree that you East Coast folks pay local taxes that boggle the mind.
I have little local/state tax burden. It’s on the backs of the tourists though.
I just bring Wyoming up as an example because I was once offered a relocation to the Cowboy state. Cheyenne and Laramie just didn’t have all that much appeal and the 2-3K I would have saved on state income tax wasn’t good enough of an incentive to move there.
When I bicycled through Wyoming, I thought that it was very pretty. But, as far as interesting things of a cultural sort, it seemed to be a backwater.
Thanks for the scenic memories, Wyoming, but I prefer Tucson.
But shouldn’t Wyoming be a jobs creation paradise? With no personal or corporate income tax it should be a jobs magnet.
My personal opinion is that there is such a thing as critical mass when it comes to most industries, and Wyoming doesn’t have it. 100 years ago or whatever it was when Cheyenne and Denver were competing to be the rail hub of the Rockies (if I’m remembering it right), if Cheyenne had won we might be having this exact same conversation in reverse. Denver ended up reaching critical mass for some industry due to that, Cheyenne didn’t. Everything since, including the politics of the two areas, are symptoms of what has happened in each state due to that decision rather than causes.
Where often you see state-to-state movement to avoid taxes is in river cities, where one can move across the river and be in another state, but still effectively live in the same metropolitan area.
Politicians in Annapolis created a millionaire tax bracket, raising the top marginal income-tax rate to 6.25%.
Oh no, 6.25%? In California, you are already taxed higher than that at $37k income.
And there is no exodus from California — they keep pouring into this state, year after year.
the Maryland story is pure comedy.
MD might be an unusual case — there’s DC and VA nearby, so it’s easy to move around to a different, nearby area if you don’t like the current state you’re in.
It’s also possible that a lot of these “millionaires” have homes in other states, and they changed their residences to the other home as a tax dodge.
It’s also possible that a lot of them didn’t make a million dollars last year.
My guess is a lot of small business owners who once thought of themselves as rich aren’t seeing the same kind of income stream they were in the past.
People are buying cars, but lower end models.
People are buying less gas
People are likely eating out less and shopping less.
Meanwhile costs for businesses are going up.
Isn’t it also possible that no one left and 1,000 fewer people made a million dollars that year? Would be easy to prove/disprove, just compare the SSNs on the returns in each year. Based on the data mentioned, you can’t definitively conclude that those millionaires left.
Unfortunately, it has become exceedingly easy for the truly rich to move their assets and production to poor countries, where they have more power than the government and the people. Moving from state to state is not a big deal from a national perspective, but this country needs to make it more difficult for the corporate elite to offshore our wealth and productive capacity.
Isn’t worrying about keeping our uber-rich here the same as worrying Wall Street will lose it’s top ‘talent’ ?
Let ‘em all move to Somalia, or Singapore, if that’s what paying a few more points in taxes means to them.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Makes me wonder what high-pay jobs these folks had, if they were paying taxes on over a million. My guess: lobbyists. If they want to leave, I’ll help them pack. My guess is they all moved to Virginia. It’s tough for a lobbyists to telecommute from Florida.
I think if you made the money here (or gained the money here), using the system WE created, the system WE defend, and the system WE maintain, then you should be on the hook for paying back into the system. Otherwise, how can it be continued?
Most people who make it in business do so in spite of the government, not because of it.
Most people who make it in business do so in spite of the government, not because of it.
Wrong. Not in the USA. I owned a business in the USA. The government provided security, laws and rules that made running my business a lot easier than if I had been in Somalia.
Most “libertarians” don’t really have a good handle on how the world really works but they say “freedom” and “constitution” a lot.
You’re socialist commentary is humorous.
I meant to say YOUR socialist commentary is humorous.
Afternoon coffee is needed.
He’s right Bad Andy. At least that’s what all of my globe trotting buddies tell me.
My buddies? They work in everything from oil to i-banking.
“I meant to say YOUR socialist commentary is humorous.”
And your predatory, crony capitalist commentary is even funnier.
I meant to say YOUR socialist commentary is humorous.
Afternoon coffee is needed.
No, it’s not coffee Bad Andy. Deeper and independent thinking, some knowledge of American history and a dictionary is what is needed.
Because hey all,
Think about this. You know the fascists PR hacks have really played our brains when the following type quote is now considered “socialist commentary”.
I owned a business in the USA. The government provided security, laws and rules that made running my business a lot easier than if I had been in Somalia.
Man…….Some of you “patriots” are getting a little nutball up there.
“Man…….Some of you “patriots” are getting a little nutball up there.”
Maybe someday we can be cool independent thinkers like the John Stewart Bill Maher crowd. We can all sit around and tell each other how great our world saving ideas are while we drink a glass of wine from Trader Joes and eat bean curd from Whole Foods.
“Man…….Some of you “patriots” are getting a little nutball up there.” RioAmericaInBrasil
Maybe someday we can be cool independent thinkers like the John Stewart Bill Maher crowd. We can all sit around and tell each other how great our world saving ideas are while we drink a glass of wine from Trader Joes and eat bean curd from Whole Foods. nickpapageorgio
Thanks always for helping to prove my points nickpapageorgio.
Nick is one of the HBB commentators who sometimes recommends renting women as an alternative to marrying them. Let’s not pay him any heed.
“Unfortunately, it has become exceedingly easy for the truly rich to move their assets and production to poor countries, where they have more power than the government and the people.”
Good ridance! Because that’s exactly what those sociopaths want and the rest of don’t want: more power over the government than the average person.
I too say let them go and then put up trade barriers and put Americans back to work.
We’ll see how long these rich people last in the third world when revolution comes.
Amen to that!
The loot hedge fund managers and banksters steal from us should be taxed as ordinary income. Also a surcharge on anyone receiving a public pension over, say, $50k. There’s no reason us taxpayers should be paying government retirees any more than that. Tax ‘em at 90% on anything over that $50k.
Better idea, If you retire from guvmint you’d better be retired no other w2 or 1099 income otherwise you will get a check when you are 65.
Isn’t stealing against the law? If so, shouldn’t people who are engaged in systemic theft activity be put in prison?
Only if they’re poor! What are you? Some kind of dang socialeest/commie?
Here’s my favorite solution-the Do-Nothing solution (it appeals to the sloth in me), which solves our budget problems in one decade, with minimal upheaval- by Doing Nothing.
Slate
“I know. Your eyebrows are running for your hairline; your jaw is headed to the floor. You’ve had the bejesus scared out of you by deficit hawks murmuring about bankruptcy and defaults and Chinese bondholders. But don’t take it from me. Take it from the number crunchers at the CBO. Look at the first chart here, and check the “primary deficit” in 2019. The number is positive. The deficit does not exist. There’s a technicality, granted: The primary deficit is the difference between spending and revenue. The total deficit, the number more commonly cited as “the deficit,” includes mandatory interest payments on the country’s debt. Even so, the total fiscal gap is a whisper, not a shout—about 3 percent of GDP, which is what economists say is healthy for an advanced economy.
So how does doing nothing actually return the budget to health? The answer is that doing nothing allows all kinds of fiscal changes that politicians generally abhor to take effect automatically. First, doing nothing means the Bush tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, at the end of next year. That would cause a moderately progressive tax hike, and one that hits most families, including the middle class. The top marginal rate would rise from 35 percent to 39.6 percent, and some tax benefits for investment income would disappear. Additionally, a patch to keep the alternative minimum tax from hitting 20 million or so families would end. Second, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Obama’s health care law, would proceed without getting repealed or defunded. The CBO believes that the plan would bend health care’s cost curve downward, wrestling the rate of health care inflation back toward the general rate of inflation. Third, doing nothing would mean that Medicare starts paying doctors low, low rates. Congress would not pass anymore of the regular “doc fixes” that keep reimbursements high. Nothing else happens. Almost magically, everything evens out.”
But something’s wrong! We haven’t denied anyone their benefits! And the wealthy are paying a few percentage points more in taxes. It’s just wrong, I tell ya!
link http://www.slate.com/id/2291054/
Here’s a link to the CBO charts that show our deficit dwindling to nothing by 2019- by doing Nothing!
Warning! pdf
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/120xx/doc12039/BudgetTables.pdf
How much of this deficit reduction is just baby boomers on Medicare dying off? How much depends on getting those soldiers out of the Middle East?
I guess they are also assuming all those doctors being paid “low, low rates” just grin and bear it?
I guess they could move to Canada…or magically change their practice so they don’t see any medicare patients…or make a few thousand less a year, like most everybody else is doing.
I guess they could move to Canada ??
You better not have anything greater than a parking ticket if you expect them to let you in…
You better not have anything greater than a parking ticket if you expect them to let you in…
As I’ve said before, if you have the right to claim foreign citizenship, do it now. That non US passport could someday be worth far more that its weight in gold.
if you have the right to claim foreign citizenship, do it now.
Would you think it would need to be a passport (citizenship) or would permanent-resident (greencard equivalent) be enough?
Would you think it would need to be a passport (citizenship) or would permanent-resident (greencard equivalent) be enough?
Green cards can be revoked. Plus residency is usually required to kep them active. For instance, I once had a Mexican FM2 permanent resident visa, but it became invalid once I moved back to the USA.
Citizenship on the other hand, is a little more iron clad, but in a pinch a “green card” will do.
“I guess they are also assuming all those doctors being paid “low, low rates” just grin and bear it?”
They’ll study a specialty and the GP shortage will get that much worse.
Economic Policy Institute
Removing the Social Security earnings cap virtually eliminates funding gap
Josh Bivens
February 17, 2005
Using relatively pessimistic assumptions about future growth in productivity and immigration, the Social Security Administration (SSA) actuaries estimate that Social Security trust fund revenues will fall somewhat short of covering scheduled benefits over the next 75 years. Until recently, President Bush had signaled opposition to any revenue increase to close that shortfall. On February 16, however, President Bush indicated his willingness to consider raising the cap on income subject to the Social Security tax. SSA actuarial estimates show that eliminating the cap would virtually eliminate the projected 75-year funding shortfall.
That was six years ago. They never did raise it, did they? They should. It’s actually a relatively low maximum. Besides, when SS is based on the concept of using today’s earners to support today’s retirees, it only makes sense that ALL the earners should have to participate. That way, a large gap between the rich and the poor won’t automatically bankrupt the old people.
There is a limit on SS benefits.
Removing the income cap is the first step in means testing SS benefits.
I don’t follow that. As long as there is a benefit cap, why?
I thought they were talking about the cap after which they stop deducting SS taxes from your paycheck. I think it’s like $80k/year. You stop paying SS taxes after you hit the earnings cap. Isn’t that what they’re talking about here? Maybe I’m confused.
The way I understand it, basically, your top 35 years of earnings are indexed for inflation, then averaged to determine the basis for your monthly benefit.
Taxing all income would involve creating a new formula that does not include earnings to determine your monthly benefit -that somehow limits people with incomes greater than 110k ( or whatever the limit is today) from getting more in SS benefits( or that would negate the whole reason for doing it in the first place) then they would currently.
The current cap is $106k. No SS taxes above that amount.
In my opinion, there should be no cap on income and benefits should be reduced. SS was never meant to allow for a comfy retirement. It was to make sure the elderly and disabled aren’t dying in the streets. The SS payment should be enough to make sure that doesn’t happen and no more.
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. They should remove the income limit, but keep the benefits limit. That means today’s high earners contribute more to today’s elderly poor. That high earner could end up being poor one day too. It’s not like welfare, since the elderly can’t just work more/harder to make up for their financial deficiencies.
Big V, haven’t you heard? The old people who can’t work anymore should be kicked to the curb!
That will solve ALL our deficit problems!
Yes, the best way to solve our SS problem is to remove the income cap on SS taxes.
If not that, then we need to institute means testing.
These are not difficult problems to solve (IMHO), it’s just that the politically powerful are standing in the way of the most logical fixes.
April 14, 2011, 12:01 a.m. EDT
Foreclosure filings up 7% in March: RealtyTrac
Delays in foreclosure processing will hold back housing recovery
By Amy Hoak, MarketWatch
CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — Foreclosure filings rose 7% in March, compared with February, according to RealtyTrac, as more lenders and servicers began working through a backlog of foreclosures that had been delayed as the industry dealt with problems related to its paperwork processing practices.
Foreclosure filings likely will increase gradually as the procedural issues are worked out, said Rick Sharga, RealtyTrac’s senior vice president. “We’re not expecting to see an explosion as lenders and servicers try to catch up,” he said.
RealtyTrac reported that 239,795 properties received a foreclosure filing of some sort in March; filings include default notices, scheduled auctions and bank repossessions. Filings were down 35% in March compared with March 2010, when RealtyTrac recorded the highest number of monthly filings since it started the report in January 2005.
Of the total filings, 73,393 were default notices, a 16% increase compared with February and a 37% drop compared with a year ago.
Foreclosure auctions numbered 93,228 in March, a drop of 4% from February and a 41% decrease from March 2010.
Bank repossessions totaled 73,174 in March, up 13% from February and down 20% from a year ago.
“It’s likely that these delays [in foreclosure processing] will push out the housing recovery further than anticipated,” Sharga said.
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““It’s likely that these delays [in foreclosure processing] will push out the housing recovery further than anticipated,” Sharga said.”
Why? Isn’t there already a large shadow inventory sitting there, moldering? They could speed up sales of REOs any time they want to, with the inventory they hold now.
They just resent being forced to follow the law, like little people. And they see it as a convenient excuse for the coming price drops.
Quantitatively easing by a sufficient amount to avoid a downgrade without precipitating a double-dip recession would also hurt bonds.
US downgrade would help stocks, hurt bonds
(AP) – 14 hours ago
NEW YORK (AP) — When Standard & Poor’s says it might lower its top AAA rating on U.S. government debt, the stock market fell sharply. Traders were worried that if a downgrade happened, it would send interest rates higher. And, in turn, raise companies’ borrowing costs.
But short-term investors were driving the markets Monday. For individual investors who are in the market for the long haul, a downgrade might not be as devastating as it seemed at first — especially if their biggest investment is in the stock market.
The downside of a lower U.S. credit rating would be another drop in Treasury prices. And they’ve already been falling because interest rates are expected to rise as the economy grows. But some analysts say that stock prices would rise over the long term because they’ll have better returns than bonds and cash.
“For people who bought bond funds and think they won’t lose money — you’re wrong,” says Linda Williams, director of fixed income investments for Minneapolis-based private wealth management firm Lowry Hill. “When rates rise, those bond funds will be worth less than what you paid for them.”
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Bonds and cash are not the only alternative to stocks.
oh? what do you recommend? oil, gold….REAL ESTATE??!
Yeah, I get a nice return on my RE investment. Do you?
no, I don’t. what is your ROI?
Like 17%
You should e-mail Ben if you’re interested in investing.
Like everything else, there ARE deals out there, but without research and constant vigilance and diligence and the fortitude to move quickly, you are going to get burned.
April 18, 2011, 4:12 PM ET
Could Debt Worries Accelerate Fannie, Freddie Overhaul?
By Nick Timiraos
Most Washington pundits don’t expect any major political action on mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the 2012 election, but growing jitters over the nation’s debt illustrate one potential catalyst that could keep the current conservatorship of the firms from dragging on indefinitely.
On Monday, Standard & Poor’s placed the U.S. AAA-rating on negative outlook. It cited the potential cost of the U.S. government’s conservatorship of the mortgage-finance giants in tilting the scales in its decision. Here’s what S&P said:
And in a question-and-answer brief:
Some analysts may take issue with those loss projections. Others will note that the U.S. will try to attract private, not public, funds to recapitalize any successors to Fannie and Freddie. Margaret Kerins, an analyst at Royal Bank of Scotland, writes in a research note Monday that such an outcome is “highly unlikely.”
The government has so far avoided bringing Fannie and Freddie onto the government’s books because that would boost the federal deficit by tens of billions and it could swell the total debt of the U.S. (Recall that Fannie Mae was privatized in 1968 when the Johnson administration was trying to reduce the country’s debt.)
The Bush administration cited the “temporary nature” of the government’s stewardship of Fannie and Freddie in opting not to incorporate those obligations back onto the government’s books.
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We estimate that it could cost the U.S. government as much as 3.5% of GDP to appropriately capitalize and relaunch Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, two financial institutions now under federal control, in addition to the 1% of GDP already invested.
Hmmmm - let me connect some dots to the AAA-rating on negative outlook.
U.S. Move to Cover Fannie, Freddie Losses Stirs Controversy
WSJ
Dec 28, 2009
By JAMES R. HAGERTY and JESSICA HOLZER
The Obama administration’s decision to cover an unlimited amount of losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.
The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.
Dear TooFruity:
You are attempting to pin the F&F crisis on one person. Why? We on this board are aware that it was created by nearly EVERYONE in the establishment, and has been going on for decades. All parties, all persuasions, with a few exceptions.
You are attempting to pin the F&F crisis on one person. Why?
Because
1) He’s a GOP lapdog
2) He assumes that if you aren’t a GOP lapdog, then you’re a Democrat lapdog, which is why he constantly harps on “obummer”, etc.
People with conservative opinions are in general not GOP laopdogs. I’ve tried to point it out on many occasions just to be called a GOP lapdog myself.
It doesn’t matter which party you associate yourself with, if you buy into either agenda you’re doing yourself and your country a disservice. And yes, Obummer is a Democratic Party tool.
People with conservative opinions are in general not GOP laopdogs.
2banana is not “people in general”.
He ignores data presented that does not strictly adhere to GOP dogma, he does not deviate from half-truth, AM radio talking points and 2banana reaches far-fetched conclusions based on his above predictable patterns of postings.
The same can be said for certain left leaning contributors…without naming names…
The same can be said for certain left leaning contributors…without naming names…
Wrong. Most on the left on this blog present way more studies, data and facts then any names I’ve mentioned of those on the right. Way more. It’s not even close.
I also don’t see the left promoting twisted truths and most on the left acknowledge the right’s points when they are correct.
There is a big difference.
“Wrong. Most on the left on this blog present way more studies, data and facts then any names I’ve mentioned of those on the right. Way more. It’s not even close.”
I see very little, and when so called studies are posted they come from dubious sources like the huffington post and the new york times.
“I also don’t see the left promoting twisted truths and most on the left acknowledge the right’s points when they are correct.”
Progressives on the left and right would not even be viable candidates for dog catcher without promoting twisted truths and out right lies. Do you think the public would willingly go along with progressives if they were told the absolute truth about where this so called “progression” leaves the United States and the Constitution we live under? No.
“Progressives on the left and right”
Progressives on the right? Please explain (with charts and examples )
Interesting first hand look. Coming soon to America.
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Greece: A country unraveling
To Vima, Athens | 4/18/2011 | Pantelis Kapsis
With new austerity measures announced against a backdrop of persistent rumours of debt restructuring and national bankruptcy, a Greek columnist worries that the choices being offered to Greece are being accompanied by the degeneration of the state.
For the average citizen, the pullover is unravelling. In Corinth, where 20 drivers, unimpeded, ransacked a police station to burn their fines. In Perama, where trade-unionists overturned a patrol car with personnel inside. In Keratea, where locals opposed to a landfill project have been involved in ongoing battles with police while the state has been unable to assert its authority. At toll booths and in Constitution Square, where the “Can’t pay, won’t pay” movement has unrestricted freedom to intimidate citizens who do not want to break the law. In Patras, where a group of masked individuals attacked an 80-year-old Nobel laureate [James D. Watson who was awarded the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 1962].
And this is not just a matter of violence and anarchy. Unions at the national power corporation DEI have been outraged by the discovery of the donation of millions of euros to one of the company’s subsidiaries. In higher education, professors responded with a threat to close universities to news that an “experts committee” had found that we spend more per student than other European countries.
In health care, where we spend as much as the United States, doctors claiming that there is a shortage of beds and equipment are denying patients access to hospital care. However, in this case, the Health Minister quickly responded by launching disciplinary procedures. In the public sector, where the highest paid workers have embarked on a succession of strikes to the point where it must now be obvious to the members of the IMF-ECB-EU troika that our tax system is worse off than it was before it was overhauled in 2009!
There is no turning back And all of this is taking place in an incredible climate of confusion which has been compounded by the ambiguous behaviour of government ministers. For example, the Minister for Citizen Protection who, in the wake of a few successes that included the arrest of a number of terrorists, has now decided to adopt the same method as his predecessor and is refusing to assume responsibility for his position. Ditto for the Minister for the Environment who, to date, has had nothing to say about the Keratea landfill.
Confusion also prevails in the economy, with members of PASOK [the ruling socialist party] flirting with the idea of debt restructuring, and in so doing demonstrating their ignorance of the difficult realities of our position in Europe and on financial markets. It goes without saying that the troika technocrats are now threatening to withhold payment of the fourth installment of the 110 billion euro loan — and if that happens, there will be no point in talking about restructuring.
This was the dilemma addressed by Prime Minister George Papandreou in his 15 April speech to parliamentary members of his party, in which he announced further austerity measures. In recent days, we have been warned of the scenarios for the near future if we accept restructuring for the good of the people: public services will have no money to pay their staff, and a shortage of doctors and equipment will result in the closure of our hospitals.
http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/604611-country-unraveling
I love the country and its people, but modern Greece has always been a mess. The last twenty or so years of relative peace and prosperity has been the exception- bought with the easy money of the time which has ended.
In health care, where we (Greece) spend as much as the United States,
?????
Greece spends $2,700 per person, per year on health care.
USA spends $7,300 per person, per year on health care.
Greece spends 10% of GDP on health care per year.
USA spends almost 17% of GDP on health care per year.
source: OECD health data 2009
But Greece insures everyone for less than half the price of the USA AND USA has 1/3 of our people uninsured or with joke insurance.
Oh, and the Greeks live longer than Americans. wiki
Again, those pesky facts.
We have the most expensive, least efficient health care system in the world, and yet there is no shortage of lapdogs who defend it, mostly because they are afraid of the socialism bogeyman.
FEDERATION FEATURE
APRIL 15, 2011
Ryan Budget Plan Promotes Housing Recovery by Ending Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
By DAVID C. JOHN
From the Heritage Foundation
While much of the press attention has focused on other parts of the budget plan put forth by Representative Paul Ryan (R–WI), a key provision is its call for an end to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two housing giants that essentially failed and were taken over by their regulator in 2008. In their place, Ryan proposes to “allow private-market secondary lenders to fairly, freely and transparently compete, with the knowledge that they will ultimately bear appropriate risk for the loans they guarantee. Their viability and profitability will be determined by the soundness of their practices and the value of their services.”[1]
Just eliminating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is a huge step in the right direction. So far, the two have cost taxpayers about $150 billion to cover their pre-2008 losses on mortgages and related securities. However, not all of those losses have surfaced; the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) estimates that when they do, the total cost will be double that amount. Sadly, these costs are unavoidable, but eliminating the two housing giants and their government guarantee would protect taxpayers from similar losses in the next housing downturn.
How to Eliminate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
To gradually eliminate both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Ryan’s budget proposes “winding down their government guarantee and ending taxpayer subsidies. It supports increasing the guarantee fees Fannie and Freddie charge lenders in order to bring private capital back, shrinking their retained portfolios, and enacting various measures that would bring transparency and accountability to the GSEs. At the same time, it will put in place measures to discourage shifting of taxpayer risk to the Federal Housing Administration and other government-backed entities as Fannie and Freddie are dismantled.”[2] This approach should achieve Ryan’s goal of abolishing Fannie and Freddie without seriously disrupting still fragile housing markets.
Since 2008, privately issued mortgage-backed securities, which were once over half the market, have virtually disappeared. Restoring their presence will take time and should be encouraged with specific steps mentioned below. While ideally, the transition to private financing mechanisms should be as rapid as possible, policymakers should avoid the temptation to put firm deadlines on the complete phase-out of Fannie and Freddie. Instead, specific steps to encourage that transition should be clearly described and scheduled, with the FHFA being given the job of monitoring the situation under close oversight and ending the two government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) as market conditions allow.
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How is Ryan’s plan to unwind Fannie and Freddie different from Obama’s menu of choices to unwind Freddie and Fannie? Or is the Heritage Foundation just adding another layer of frosting to the poison pill of privatized Medicare?
Priviatized Medicare is not exactly what’s proposed so much as a public/private co-op. While I don’t claim to be an expert, I do know that Blue Cross and United Healthcare pay substantially less for the same procedures as I do walking in from the street and substantially less than Medicare pays.
One way or another reform is needed to eliminate waste from the program.
Public-private co-op? You mean the mechanism for private sector to write the laws favorable to themselves so that they can fleece the taxpayer again? Fannie/Freddie were private/public co-ops and we know how THAT went for the taxpayer.
I would like for private sector to keep their profit-obsessed hands off of my medical care.
“To gradually eliminate both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Ryan’s budget proposes “winding down their government guarantee and ending taxpayer subsidies.”
See, this is why I need a new poilitcal party for myself. This makes sense to me, but then these guys want to gut education.
I want a political party that basically says this: if you’re under 18, we’ll help you out, if you’re over 18, you’re on your own.
They already have that party, it’s called the Libertarian Party.
“They already have that party, it’s called the Libertarian Party.”
I used to think that, too, until I dug around… the libertarian education platform is absurd.
One can’t have it all I’m afraid.
GOP lawmakers to unveil own plan to wind down Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac
By Zachary A. Goldfarb, Monday, March 28, 8:58 PM
A month and a half after the White House announced its plan to wind down Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, House Republicans on Tuesday plan to introduce their own.
According to congressional sources familiar with the matter, a series of eight bills by Republicans will call for raising fees charged to borrowers in two years and taking other steps to shrink the companies’ footprint in the housing market.
The bills will call on Fannie and Freddie to begin to sell their massive portfolios of mortgage investments, which keep rates low, and would take away other advantages enjoyed by the companies that banks and private-sector firms don’t have.
They would also end requirements that Fannie and Freddie direct a portion of their business to low- and moderate-income housing and pay the employees of the companies only what counterparts in the federal government earn.
What’s striking about the new GOP plan is that in many ways it mirrors the Obama administration’s approach to shutting down the taxpayer-backed mortgage giants but only on a faster timetable.
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What’s striking about the new GOP plan is that in many ways it mirrors the Obama administration’s approach to shutting down the taxpayer-backed mortgage giants but only on a faster timetable.
Which obama plan was that? They keep changing so much…
U.S. Move to Cover Fannie, Freddie Losses Stirs Controversy
WSJ
Dec 28, 2009
By JAMES R. HAGERTY and JESSICA HOLZER
The Obama administration’s decision to cover an unlimited amount of losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.
The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.
Repitition is not becoming of you, double-parthenogenesis-fruiter.
I’ve been busy lately, and hence am way behind on the rapidly evolving efforts underway to unwind the GSEs.
First set of GOP bills changing Fannie, Freddie advance
By Peter Schroeder - 04/06/11 10:12 AM ET
House Republicans took another step toward reining in and winding down Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac on Wednesday, advancing eight bills that would modify them.
The Capital Markets subcommittee of the House Financial Services Committee approved the package of bills after a lengthy and contentious markup, setting the stage for consideration by the full committee in the coming weeks.
Lawmakers approved three of the bills late Tuesday night after a markup that stretched 11 hours. Republicans accused Democrats of using parliamentary tactics to delay debate and bog down the proceedings. They said Democrats would call for a committee quorum, then leave the hearing room to prevent the quorum from being reached.
“Americans have seen Democrats flee certain states, and now we’re seeing Democrats in Congress use the same ploy,” said Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.), the chairman of the subcommittee. “The American people want us to end the bailouts, and we hope the Democrats on the committee will start taking this issue — and their responsibilities as legislators — seriously.”
Democrats, meanwhile, criticized the “piecemeal” approach offered by Republicans, arguing it could lead to market uncertainty.
“Undertaking these short-term steps without a vision for what comes next is a risky strategy, given that the entirety of the American housing finance system is at stake,” said Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), the ranking member of the subcommittee.
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I’ll tell you right now what comes next, private lending. If you don’t have 20% down or one heck of a credit score you don’t buy a house. What’s wrong with that model again?
Like Muggy said above, this is one area where we lefties and righties can agree.
Fannie Mae Announces 3.5 Percent Buyer Assistance on HomePath® Properties
Incentive Part of Continuous Effort to Stabilize Neighborhoods
WASHINGTON, April 11, 2011 /PRNewswire/ — Fannie Mae announced today that people purchasing a Fannie Mae-owned HomePath property will receive up to 3.5 percent in closing cost assistance. The initial offer must be submitted on or after April 11, 2011; and the sale must close on or before June 30, 2011 to be eligible for the incentive. Additionally, buyers must reside in the home as their primary residence (sales to investors are excluded).
“Attracting qualified buyers to the market and reducing the inventory of vacant homes remains essential to stabilizing neighborhoods and helping the market recover,” said Terry Edwards, Executive Vice President of Credit Portfolio Management. “Since interest rates remain low, the incentive will go a long way toward helping even more families buy a new home so this is a great time for Fannie Mae to offer some assistance.”
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Sure, as long as the taxpayer is willing and able to pick up Fannie’s losses, then this is not just a great time. Why, it’s the only game in town. Imagine the FRAUD that can be perpetrated on this deal. I wonder who will end up with the bag of cash at the end of this rainbow?
Little fees, downpayment assistance, paying closing costs, etc. Aren’t these the same tricks that builders and re-al-TORs tried in late 2007 to avoid raising the taboo subject of price? Fannie should just offer a cruise and new car in the driveway too, and her journey to the dark side will be complete.
It’s very similar. My question is the timing of the article. HomePath has been around for a couple of years now. It’s often available for homes that are Fannie Mae owned that need work.
I’ve seen those houses around town. To say they need work is being very polite. Personally, I wouldn’t touch ‘em with a bargepole.
Come on. The listings say they need a little TLC. That couldn’t possibly mean a dump…could it?
Selling homes now is like selling used cars in the old days
Cal Worthington would stand on his head to sell a car
too much TV when I was a kid I guess
go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Calllllll……
LOL I used to watch Cal’s Corral on Sundays. The band always looked tired and hungover from playing the Aces the night before.
cactus-
Cal brings back warm memories. All those animals were a kid’s delight. Thanks for the flashback.
A process fee, subsidy?
We’re doomed.
Nope. No corporate welfare there. No siree!
Closing Costs too Much? Fannie Mae Will Pay Some of It!
Article Submitted By: CA Hagy
Is the thought of paying the high closing costs on a home keeping you from making the leap into home ownership? Consider getting a mortgage through Fannie Mae.
Submitted: April 16, 2011
With all of the foreclosures on the books at Fannie Mae, one of the government’s largest securers of mortgage loans, executives decided that something had to be done to reduce that number. That is why Fannie Mae recently announced that it would help home buyers with the closing costs of they purchase a home.
That is really good news when you consider that Fannie Mae’s inventory of foreclosed homes is also eligible for special financing programs for those who are trying to purchase a home for the first time. In addition to that, home buyers can often purchase homes backed by Fannie Mae for as little as 3 percent down. This is an extra incentive that is offered by Fannie Mae to help low income home buyers purchase their first home. As far as the closing costs, Fannie Mae is also offering to pay up to 3.5 percent of those fees if you qualify for the assistance.
In order to take advantage of this newest deal offered by Fannie Mae, you must submit an offer to purchase the home after April 11 and you must close on the home no later than June 30 of this year. You must also use the home as your primary residence rather than a vacation home or rental property in order to qualify for this deal. Investors will not be allowed to take advantage of this offer.
Terry Edwards, a portfolio manager for Fannie Mae’s department of foreclosed homes, said this incentive along with the recently low interest rates should be a good combination to encourage buyers.
Fannie Mae tried a similar program in 2010. During that year, Fannie Mae reclaimed more than 260,000 homes due to non-payment of mortgages. That’s more than a quarter of a million homes and that’s just from one lender! Last year, Fannie Mae also gave $1,500 bonuses to brokers and realtors who found buyers who would purchase a foreclosed home that the lender had on its books.
If you are a first time home buyer, going through Fannie Mae while the lender is providing this offer may be one of the best options to consider. With a low down payment, low prices of foreclosures, low mortgage rates and Fannie Mae taking care of some of the closing costs, you won’t easily find a better deal right now.
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3 percent down be pretty easy to walk from that if things get worse
I bet these homes are in really hard hit areas like Phoenix
Come to West Palm. I’d estimate HomePath financing to be mentioned in 1/3 of all foreclosure MLS listings.
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
APRIL 1, 2011
Blinking on Fan and Fred
Republicans miss a chance to put the toxic twins out of business.
Democrats like to paint House Republicans as “extreme” ideologues held captive by the Tea Party. But after reviewing the House GOP’s new plan to reform the housing market, we wish the Tea Party had grabbed a few more hostages.
On Tuesday Republicans on the House Financial Services Committee introduced eight bills to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-created mortgage giants at the heart of the financial crisis. These toxic twins have already gobbled up $156 billion of taxpayer money. But not one of the eight bills would shut down Fannie or Freddie—even on a delayed fuse.
You could argue that the House GOP has rolled out a less aggressive reform plan than one of the options recently floated by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. Yes, the same Secretary Geithner who quietly gave Fan and Fred an unlimited call on taxpayer cash on Christmas Eve of 2009. Can he really be among the Beltway’s boldest voices for reform only five months after a bailout-weary electorate turned the House over to Republicans?
Those Republicans seem to have decided that fundamental reform isn’t possible with a Democratic Senate. At least that’s the charitable view. Another is that Financial Services Chairman Spencer Bachus, a longtime friend of the mortgage twins, still can’t liberate himself from the housing lobby that wants Fan and Fred to rise again. Whatever the reasons, taxpayers hoping for a clean break from Washington’s housing folly are being offered merely incremental enhancements.
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‘Financial Services Chairman Spencer Bachus, a longtime friend of the mortgage twins, still can’t liberate himself from the housing lobby that wants Fan and Fred to rise again’
The Banality of Corruption in Washington DC
Here we have one person, who is a “longtime friend of the mortgage twins.” This means of course, he is bought off with campaign contributions by the lobbyists. One person is able to direct legislation regarding an issue that will effect each and every person in this country. Why? Because he presides over a key committee.
Here’s the thing; there is no mention of “key” committees or sub-committees in the constitution. This was constructed by the two parties. And we casually read, as a completely bought off senator does the bidding of those who give him money. No outrage, no protests. Why? One party will say, we can’t attack one of our own. The other says, “that fundamental reform isn’t possible with a Democratic Senate” (meaning, hey if you don’t like it, vote our guys in). Neither says, hey, this is really bad government! I say, it’s the normalization of corruption. Not hidden, but right out there for all to see. And it goes on right in front of us every day and we accept it as the way things are.
So here’s your chance Democrats. Let’s see you ride this guy out on a rail. Why shouldn’t you? Isn’t this the moral hazard, the socialization of losses? Won’t your grandchildren pay for this senators corruption? My guess is, however, that Democrats here won’t say anything. And Republicans will shake their head in hypocritical disgust, forgetting that when they were holding this “key” position, much the same corruption was on display.
Maybe you people who support this two party system can see here just one single instance of how you are a part of the problem. This isn’t how a democratic government should operate. Those of us who aren’t in the two parties are powerless to stop it because so many of you continue to vote for this open, bought and paid for mess. And when one of your guys stands in the way of good government, you refuse to clean your own house.
Up to the end of 2008, Dodd and Frank were Phoney and Fraudie’s chief benefactors and protectors. Now it’s Bacchus.
Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
‘Up to the end of 2008, Dodd and Frank were Phoney and Fraudie’s chief benefactors and protectors’
Oh really? Your post is an example of what I’m talking about:
April 21, 2005 “CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin, said the housing market no longer needs the parts of U.S. law governing Fannie and Freddie that Wall Street interprets as a federal guarantee of the companies’ obligations.”
“Therefore, those entities could gradually be relieved of the responsibilities and benefits of their current status as GSE’s and required to operate as fully private organizations, which would reduce their risks and costs to the federal government.”
‘Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. But hear the horror from the so-called reformers. “‘I’m not pushing for the total privatization of the GSEs,’ said Alabama Republican Sen. Richard Shelby, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee. ‘The GSEs play a critical role in the housing market.’”
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/04/congress-wont-reform-gses.html
Here’s a couple more:
“Armando Falcon, the head of OFHEO, which is the regulator of Fannie Mae, was interviewed by the Associated Press and he didn’t have good news. “Asked Tuesday whether further discoveries could emerge from OFHEO’s investigation, Falcon said, ‘We very well might find more problems as we continue to review the company’s accounting.’”
‘Might? Fannie has thousands of “special entities” off balance sheet. The size of the disaster is unprecedented. And Mr. Falcon thinks the OFHEO saved the day. “If the agency hadn’t acted to identify and correct problems at Fannie Mae, Falcon said, ‘I think they would have eventually manifested themselves in the form of some larger problem that might have created some kind of systemic disruptions’ in the housing market.”
‘Time will tell on that one. Mr. Falcon has already turned in his resignation and the replacement of the regulator is almost certain; that doesn’t sound like a triumph of enforcement. Without going into the politics being thrown about, both Democrats and Republicans were happy to have the GSE’s making easy money available for years and the wrangling now won’t put the bubble back in the bottle. At least there is this, “The Justice Department is pursuing a criminal investigation.”
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/04/more-problems-for-fannie-its-just.html
‘The warning signs are everywhere that a mortgage/housing fiasco is unfolding and the silence is deafening. Except for newcomers like Cramer, the media isn’t covering this debacle or the Doral matter. The home builders having their head handed to them after record existing and new sales, plus record earnings, should put the media on notice that we have a problem.’
‘Perhaps asking the media to quit cheerleading and look at the housing crisis objectively is too much. What of our representatives in Washington? The congress had better be meeting to figure out what the heck they are going to do instead of debating who is more responsible for Fannie.’
http://thehousingbubble.blogspot.com/2005/04/media-congress-need-to-wake-up.html
“it’s the normalization of corruption.” Ben Jones
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“How about a vastly oversold failure?” Ben Jones
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“No. It has to be forced on the system.” Ben Jones
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“This isn’t how a democratic government should operate.” Ben Jones
Ben Jones for AZ, Congress!
Ben Jones for AZ, Congress!
Ben Jones for AZ, Congress!
So here’s your chance Democrats. Let’s see you ride this guy out on a rail. Why shouldn’t you? Isn’t this the moral hazard, the socialization of losses? Won’t your grandchildren pay for this senators corruption? My guess is, however, that Democrats here won’t say anything. And Republicans will shake their head in hypocritical disgust, forgetting that when they were holding this “key” position, much the same corruption was on display.
Spencer Bachus is a Republican, not a Democrat.
OK, I stand corrected. So you Republicans can get rid of Bachus then, right? And how about you Democrats riding this guy out on a rail? Or his boss?
“the House GOP has rolled out a less aggressive reform plan than one of the options recently floated by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. Yes, the same Secretary Geithner who quietly gave Fan and Fred an unlimited call on taxpayer cash on Christmas Eve of 2009″
My point is, this is really, really important. We are talking about possibly trillions of dollars. But what we get from the two parties is who can serve their campaign contributors best. And Democrats/Republicans will not challenge corruption in “their” party.
“Yes, the same Secretary Geithner who quietly gave Fan and Fred an unlimited call on taxpayer cash on Christmas Eve of 2009″
Is anything Geithner decides to do automatically legal, or is there some kind of Congressional approval process behind this kind of maneuver which never trickles up to the MSM?
“riding this guy out on a rail?”
Alabama. How many Democrats do we have to convince to move to his district to swing the next election?
So here’s your chance Democrats. Let’s see you ride this guy out on a rail. Why shouldn’t you? Isn’t this the moral hazard, the socialization of losses? Won’t your grandchildren pay for this senators corruption? My guess is, however, that Democrats here won’t say anything.
I agree with your main points and I’m not a Democrat but I think this guy’s a republican.
Spencer Thomas Bachus III (born December 28, 1947) is the U.S. Representative for Alabama’s 6th congressional district, serving since 1993. He is a member of the Republican Party.
I’ve tried to make this case to anyone that will listen, albeit far less eloquently than Ben. People that root for their team no matter what ARE the problem. Digging your way to the truth is hard enough without being blinded by petty partisanship. We get what we vote for. Instead of arguing about which party is less bad, vote none of the above by voting 3rd party or independent.
I would love to see more independents of Bernie Sanders ilk in both the House and the Senate. I think we will need to fill the House and Senate with independents before we can expect to elect one as President.
So get involved, people. Go find an independent to support in your state and district.
There are far too few “Bernie Sanders” who are willing to run for office.
I would also love to see more people like him in charge of this nation’s policies.
From 1989 (written in 2007)
“HUD is a Sewer”
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0709/S00238.htm
When I told Nick Brady in 1989 that I was going to work at HUD, he said, “You can’t go to HUD — HUD is a sewer.” While my experience as Assistant Secretary cleaning up significant mortgage fraud that lost the government billions during the 1980s confirmed that HUD’s financial reputation was deserved, leading the FHA provided invaluable insight into how government management of the economy one neighborhood at a time really harms communities. Hence, access to the “real deal” on real estate and the mortgage markets was an opportunity. If you want to see the real economy in a place, you absolutely want an accurate map of the financial flows in that system — starting with the land and real estate. My favorite description of HUD was to come many years later from staff to the Chairman of the Senate HUD appropriation subcommittee — Senator Kit Bond. When asked what was going on at HUD, the Congressional staffer said, “HUD is being run as a criminal enterprise.”
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0709/S00238.htm
“HUD is a Sewer”
Look at the dates, folks. Look at the dates.
The States Where People Can’t Afford Gas
Posted: April 15, 2011 at 4:06 pm
This analysis shows the extent to which the US economy cannot be viewed as a whole–an undifferentiated collection of 50 states. Some states on this list, like Alabama or West Virginia, could be tipped back into a local recession because of a combination of high gas prices and low wages.
Each of “The States Where People Can’t Afford Gas” has a different set of factors contributing to the effects of high fuel costs. However, most of what is said about Indiana could also be said about Kentucky. Gas prices cause people to postpone vacations and defer daily expenses. Some of the states on this list barely made it out of the recession, if they did at all. Some still have double digit unemployment and high poverty levels. The sharp rise in gas prices becomes more severe each day. This is something that a portion of the population simply cannot afford.
10. Iowa
> Median Income: $50,721 (21st highest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.94 (8th highest)
> Unemployment: 6.1% (6th lowest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 13.07% (16th lowest)
9. Ohio
> Median Income: $45,879 (19th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.83 (17th lowest)
> Unemployment: 9.2% (20th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 19% (16th highest)
8. North Dakota
> Median Income: $50,075 (23rd highest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.97 (7th highest)
> Unemployment: 3.7% (lowest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 12.77% (15th lowest)
7. Florida
> Median Income: $45,631 (15th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.82 (18th lowest)
> Unemployment: 11.5% (2nd highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 18.17% (18th highest)
6. Kentucky
> Median Income: $42,664 (8th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.80 (21st lowest)
> Unemployment: 10.4% (6th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 22.67% (3rd highest)
5. Michigan
> Median Income: $45,994 (20th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.94 (9th highest)
> Unemployment: 10.4% (6th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 19.07% (15th highest)
4. North Carolina
> Median Income: $41,906 (8th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.89 (11th highest)
> Unemployment: 9.7% (12th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 20% (13th highest)
3. West Virginia
> Median Income: $40,490 (5th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $3.88 (12th highest)
> Unemployment: 9.4% (16th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 22.07% (5th highest)
2. Indiana
> Median Income: $44,305 (12th lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $4.04 (4th highest)
> Unemployment: 8.8% (24th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 17.57% (20th highest)
1. Alabama
> Median Income: $39,980 (3rd lowest)
> Regular Gas Price: $4.17 (3rd highest)
> Unemployment: 9.3% (18th highest)
> Population Below Poverty Line: 21.77% (6th highest)
http://247wallst.com/2011/04/15/the-states-where-people-cant-afford-gas/ - 70k -
$4.39 per gallon for regular coming through the desert yesterday…
So how is inflation going to save the country again ?
Country? What are you , some kinda dang socialeest/commie?!
We gotta save the Bankstas first!
North Dakota? I thought they were one of the states that mostly avoided the recession. I wonder how much the percentage of rural population plays into this.
America has been collectively hoodwinked.
Robert Scheer: The False Debate on Debt
Posted: 04/17/2011 07:02:14 AM PDT
In the ever-so-smug company of the rich and powerful, it is a given that there is never to be any expression of remorse or other acknowledgement of the pain they have inflicted on the lesser mortals they so cavalierly plunder. It’s convenient for them that the media and the politicians, which they happen to own, rarely connect the dots between the scams that made the rich so rich and the alarming rise in the federal debt that is crushing this nation.
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Lost in this faux debate is the reality that our debt now looms so large because the government had to bail out many of those same corporations, quite a few of which, like General Electric and AIG, pay no taxes and have no problem paying truly obscene amounts to their top executives. GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt, whom President Barack Obama named chairman of the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, is making as much as he did before the recession hit, a recession that his GE Capital division did much to cause with its reckless loans. AIG, saved with a government infusion of $170 billion, has just lavishly rewarded its top executives but has providing no relief for the homeowners ripped off by its phony credit default swaps.
The AIG deal was engineered by then-President of the New York Fed Timothy Geithner, who was rewarded for his efforts to save the bankers by being named Obama’s treasury secretary. Geithner, an energetic member of the team of Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers that ran Treasury when the Bill Clinton administration cooperated with congressional Republicans in gutting regulation of the financial community, is proud of saving the banks from the wreckage that they and the Clinton policies caused. Last October, he proclaimed the TARP banker bailout program “the most effective government program in recent memory.”
What he is referring to is that in order to escape the federal restrictions on executive compensation, the banks have been eager to pay back the TARP funds. What he and other apologists for the Obama and George W. Bush administrations’ Bankers First program choose to ignore — as Paul Atkins and two other members of the Congressional Oversight Panel for the Troubled Asset Relief Program revealed in a damning Wall Street Journal column titled “TARP Was No Win for the Taxpayers” — is that the banks are not paying back the trillions of dollars in non-TARP governmental assistance that saved them from bankruptcy.
“It hides the full story of the government’s financial crisis effort, of which TARP is but a minor part,” the op-ed column said of the maneuvering. The major part is the $1.1 trillion in toxic-mortgage-based securities that the Fed purchased, relieving the banks of their obligations, and the $380 billion bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, organizations that backed those securities, along with “other Fed and FDIC programs (that) added another $2 trillion of taxpayer money at risk to the 19 stress-tested banks alone.”
What Geithner celebrates is a shell game of his own construction in which far more costly federal programs, with no serious restrictions on banker greed, were used by the banks to “repay” the TARP funds. Nothing was obtained in return from those banks in the way of mortgage cramdowns to keep people in their homes or any restrictions on the interest rates that banks charge on credit cards: Clearly usurious rates of more than 25 percent are now the norm for those struggling to keep their families above water. No wonder consumer confidence is down, the housing market is expected to decline an additional 10 percent over the next year, and the job market is predicted by most of the experts to stagnate for years to come. Continued tax breaks for the 1 percent of the population that controls 40 percent of the nation’s wealth will do nothing to restore the confidence of the other 99 percent of consumers who are suffering so.
This at least Obama seems to understand, but count on him to betray his own better instincts by once again following the advice of his treasury secretary and the Wall Street crowd that contributed so lavishly to his first presidential campaign and whose support he seeks once again.
Weird how this article attempts to connect TARP with Clinton, though.
It’s convenient for them that the media and the politicians, which they happen to own, rarely connect the dots between the scams that made the rich so rich and the alarming rise in the federal debt that is crushing this nation.
Scam or not, it’s the rich’s money and they should not even be taxed more. Why? It’s THEIR money because they EARNED it. No matter that it was fraudulently redistributed from the middle and poor to the rich. We have no right to steal their money just because we want to live in a Utopian dream where the producers are punished.
I’m not very good at explaining this stuff but I’m sure drumminj, 2Banana, nickpapageorgio, Rush and Beck will again explain it to you. And using very consistent soundbite points as well.
“The AIG deal was engineered by then-President of the New York Fed Timothy Geithner, who was rewarded for his efforts to save the bankers by being named Obama’s treasury secretary.”
lol
“It hides the full story of the government’s financial crisis effort, of which TARP is but a minor part,” the op-ed column said of the maneuvering. The major part is the $1.1 trillion in toxic-mortgage-based securities that the Fed purchased, relieving the banks of their obligations, and the $380 billion bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, organizations that backed those securities, along with “other Fed and FDIC programs (that) added another $2 trillion of taxpayer money at risk to the 19 stress-tested banks alone.”
What Geithner celebrates is a shell game of his own construction in which far more costly federal programs, with no serious restrictions on banker greed, were used by the banks to “repay” the TARP funds.
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This is key, because any time some of us complain about the “bailouts,” there are always some banker apologists who will claim that, “the TARP was paid back…WITH INTEREST!”
Nobody discusses the other, much more costly, parts of “The Bailout” because they have been spread out and covered-up in such a way that it’s difficult to keep track of what’s been spent, and what will be spent in the future as so many of the taxpayer-backed guarantees get tapped.
Contrary to what most people are led to believe, the rich are not getting richer:
The Rich Aren’t Getting Richer
Actual super-wealthy households saw their income decline.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/264296
Uh huh…. according to “conservative” corporate thinktank National Review.
Good one!
I’m way too lazy to click the link. Here’s the thing: When the gap between the rich and the poor increases, the rich generally (eventually) end up getting POORER. That’s because an elitist economy is not a healthy economy. The smart money has an understanding of this concept, and therefore does not attempt to fleece the worker and the middle class. All economies are built from the bottom up.
Exactly right, Big V.
For instance, among those who in 1996 were in the very highest income group isolated for study — the top 0.01 percent — 75 percent were in a lower income group by 2005. The median real income of super-rich households went down, not up. The rich got poorer.
Ha, “TrueDeceiver’s™” don’t use Trix’s, ’cause Trix’s is for kids!:
Here is an illustration of it, (”The great unseen”), happens:
The “suffering” & their children who are not required to defend the Nation that protects their families wealth speaketh thus:
“Money? what money? oh, that money, yeah well that’s all there is,…really! No, we have not been saving coffee cans! You mean those things that “certain others” use to hold their disposable coins? You’re so silly,…really! You have no respect for the talents of the people we use to
useyou,… er, to Trix’s you.Income and wealth are not necessarily connected.
A lot of the super wealthy have little income.
Selling a $30 million Van Gough doesn’t produce any income.
Unless it appreciates. Then its a capital gain (not sure if the capital gain on a Van Gogh would be taxed as earned or unearned income)
It is only earned income if you hold art as inventory as part of a business.
Unless it was inherited last year(eg George Stiembrenner’s family) then you pay nothing.
The article merely points out that today’s super-rich aren’t the same as yesterday’s super-rich, (ie that the top .1% twenty years ago isn’ t all the same people as the top .1% today) not that today’s super-rich aren’t comparatively way more wealthy than they used to be.
Yeah, I wanted to make that point too, but it was too hard. Thank you for bothering to state the obvious.
Contrary to what most people are led to believe, the rich are not getting richer:
The article is BS. Says “income” went down for rich but the “rich” make most money though capital gains. More now than ever.
Says social upward mobility is “high” in the USA but neglects to mention that it is higher in many parts of “socialist” Europe.
The Article is BS propaganda of twisting half-truths, cherry picking partial points of data and massaging definition of words and concepts.
The bottom line? Here’s the situation of the American Rich robbing us in graphic form:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph
What a joke
So over a 10 year period of time some of the elite moved out of the top 0.01%.
1. Retirement
2. death
3. bad year maybe they move in and out of the top 0.1% depending on when they sell stock . What if they moved to the top 0.2% big F’n deal.
Those poor, poor oppressed rich people! Whatever shall we do?
I know! Let’s start up a charity! We’ll call it… The GOP!
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I was wondering if anyone else noticed what I did in the attached chart, beyond the fact that median asking prices have been cut in half since the bubble top.
Hint, look at the last bit of the median and low line (yellow and pink)
Data Source: Me from Realtor.com
Low is up and median is flat? Those are asking prices, right? Where?
Asking prices, yes. The low pretty much flat lines at 100K, the median at 180ish. Those are manipulated numbers. There is no way an unfixed market acts that way, especially when listing have meanwhile been oscillating.
NAR (whether in or out of cahoots with the banks) is fixing prices.
Also, I’ve noted that the number of house rental ads has steadily declined over the course of the bubble deflation. (Also about 2:1, 2006 vs. today)
I can only surmise that the vacant housing is adding to rental demand still and propping up rental rates?
“I can only surmise that the vacant housing is adding to rental demand still and propping up rental rates?”
Shadow inventory can`t be rented or purchased.
“Buying More Time in Your Home – Steps to postpone your move”
Not just the vacant housing inventory but also the 36ers looking for another 2 years of the good life. 2 articles below shows they will get more time in a house they are not paying for, the more time they get the longer rents will stay higher than they should be. For people in my (most of our) situation it`s a lose/lose situation.
Foreclosure prevention workshop tonight in West Palm Beach
Topics covered in the workshop include:
• Securitization – Where the problems began
• Loan Review – How to identify errors in your loan papers
• Loan Modifications – Aggressive techniques in working with banks
• Federal Foreclosure Programs – HAMP and HAFA
• Buying More Time in Your Home – Steps to postpone your move
In my area, I’m seeing listings come up on both Craigslist and ZipRealty.
Yes, the inventory being kept off the market is affecting rents as well.
This is why, during the bubble, I was arguing that rents would go UP as the bubble burst. Most people were claiming that they would go down. They are most certainly up in our ‘hood.
Foreclosure prevention workshop tonight in West Palm Beach
by Kim Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
The Neighborhood Community Foundation is holding a free foreclosure prevention workshop tonight at the Crowne Plaza Hotel in West Palm Beach.
It’s the second West Palm Beach visit for the non-profit group, which says it is returning because of an overwhelming response from homeowners when it was here April 5.
“Our call center was swamped with homeowners anxious to gain clarity about the circumstances surrounding their foreclosure,” said Jim Boyer, the organization’s spokesperson.
The program runs from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. The Crowne Plaza Hotel is located at 1601 Belvedere Road, West Palm Beach.
Topics covered in the workshop include:
• Securitization – Where the problems began
• Loan Review – How to identify errors in your loan papers
• Loan Modifications – Aggressive techniques in working with banks
• Federal Foreclosure Programs – HAMP and HAFA
• Buying More Time in Your Home – Steps to postpone your move
• Protecting Against Foreclosure Predators
• County Agency Resources
• Potential Legal Defenses
For more information go to http://neighborhood-community.org or call 877-306-5299.
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1. Get in the Game Says:
April 19th, 2011 at 8:07 am
“Homeowners anxious to gain clarity…surrounding their foreclosure”
The only correct word in that statement was THEIR.
They do NOT ‘own’ the house. (The Creditor does)
It is a house NOT a ‘home.’ (A RE trader trick to leave your rational side and tie a bunch of emotion to a commodity)
Of course they are anxious. (They want to stay in the house longer for freeeeeeeeeeee or at least stay rent free for another 500+ days)
Typcial, I do not read squat about paying back the money they borrowed.
Only on how to receive MORE free money, MORE entitlements, MORE lawsuits, MORE rent free months, more and more of giving stuff away for freeeeeeeee.
Americans just continuing to be lazy and undisciplined!
Priceless…
2. Governor Skeletor Says:
April 19th, 2011 at 8:36 am
NO HELP FOR THE DEADBEATS!! THROW THEM INTO THE STREETS>>>SELL THE HOME TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!!
3. WPB Esquire Says:
April 19th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Love to keep these folks in THEIR HOME for FREE for as long as possible.
The longer the better…longer rent-FREE time for them; more fees for ME.
Why should these folks pay the loan back ?? America was build, and continues to be build, on a few who have been stealing from the masses for decades.
That’s why now there are approximately 500 BILLIONares, and thousands of MILLIONares in america; all squeezing the last nickel and dime from the masses because “they” never have enough money.
So why not stick it to the bank for a change?
Meet the Flockers.
Florida aid seekers flock to apply
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 6:19 p.m. Monday, April 18, 2011
Florida homeowners pounced on the state’s Hardest Hit foreclosure prevention program Monday morning as the online application process opened on a first come, first served basis.
Local agencies fielding the applications received their first requests for the $1 billion in federal housing aid just 20 minutes after the 9 a.m. start time, surprising some organizers who thought it would take an hour for homeowners to complete the process.
By 1 p.m., 200 applications had made their way to Paul Baltrun, director of homeowner assistance for the Law Office of Paul A. Krasker in West Palm Beach.
Krasker’s firm is among 14 groups in Palm Beach County approved by the Florida Housing Finance Corp. to handle homeowner applications for Hardest Hit money.
“I was expecting a high volume, but not in that short period of time,” Baltrun said. “I think people were logged on to their computers and ready to go.”
Because of how the Florida Housing Finance Corp. application website rolled into operation Monday, homeowners in South and Central Florida got a five-minute head start on the rest of the state, said corporation spokeswoman Ceeka Green.
“It just worked out that those in the hardest hit part of the state got in about five minutes before the top part of the state,” she said.
About 40,000 unemployed and underemployed Floridians are expected to receive Hardest Hit money. The program will pay six months’ worth of mortgage payments up to $12,000, or up to $6,000 to bring late loans current.
The money is meant to keep people in their homes while they seek better-paying jobs or find alternatives to foreclosure. A homeowner cannot be more than 180 days in arrears on mortgage payments to qualify for the program.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/foreclosures/florida-aid-seekers-flock-to-apply-1412735.html - -
“Meet the Flockers.”
OK now that’s just TOO funny right there.
“corporation spokeswoman Ceeka Green.”
Any relation of Cee-Lo Green?
Cee-Lo is awesome when he does his Al Green throwback shtick, a la Gnarles Barkley. The rap/hip-hop stuff, not so much.
Elton John and Ceeka Green
Don’t go taking my house
I couldn’t if I tried
Oh honey if I make payments
Baby you’re not that kind
So don’t go taking my house
You take the weight off of me
Oh honey when you knock on my door
But I live here for free
Don’t go taking my, Don’t go taking my, Don’t go taking my house
Custa Flockers
“The money is meant to keep people in their homes while they seek better-paying jobs or find alternatives to foreclosure.”
How about a McJob to pay for that McMansion?
Would you like Granite with that?
HIRING BLITZ: 175 local jobs up for grabs today
By Susan Salisbury Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 9:27 a.m. Tuesday, April 19, 2011
A job at McDonald’s is more than a McJob.
Though burger-flipping gigs bear the brunt of “You want fries with that?” jokes, they have been the starting point for more than 75 percent of McDonald’s restaurant managers and 50 percent of the company’s owner-operators, the company says.
Today, its first “National Hiring Day,” McDonald’s says it will hire 175 crew members and managers at 77 Palm Beach County and Treasure Coast stores. Nationwide, the goal is to add 50,000 employees.
The McDonald’s initiative and other large-scale hiring announcements are signs that the so-called jobless recovery is no longer jobless, said John Challenger, chief executive officer of outplacement company Challenger, Gray & Christmas in Chicago. McDonald’s also is targeting segments of the population with higher-than-average unemployment rates.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/hiring-blitz-175-local-jobs-up-for-grabs-1414660.html -
Here in Tucson, the local fishwrap is crowing about McDonalds’ latest hiring blitz.
You’ll find the story comments to be quite enjoyable. Here’s my favorite:
“I will apply. Did last year too. Not sure if having a Master’s degree impacted the hiring decision.”
They did an entire segment on the morning news yesterday in West Palm beach.
I think I would try to hide any degree if I had to apply for that. Got to be a way.
Slim here with an update from the aforementioned local fishwrap:
McDonald’s: Several thousand apply for 250 jobs in SoAz
Much comment merriment follows. My favorite:
“Sometimes an illegal may be a better option over some of the sloths working at 1st/Grant. The anglo workers at the counter there seem pretty bitter and angry at the world. Never friendly, rarely say a word.”
That Mickey D’s is very near the Arizona Slim Ranch. Place even looks unfriendly from the outside. To the point where I don’t even go in there to use the restroom. I’ll wait ’til I get home, TYVM.
“…Not sure if having a Master’s degree impacted the hiring decision.””</I.
Someone needs a refund on their degree.
You can indeed become a MickeyDs manager… if you can live on part-time $11hr wage for 5 or more years in the meantime.
And those stories of 50K mgrs? 10+ years to get there. And that’s the fast track.
“The money is meant to keep people in their homes…”
Bullshit! This money is meant to keep balance-sheets intact at megabanks and keep big bonuses coming for the banksters. The squatters would stay no matter what. What a crock of crap.
Its just another form of bailout for the corrupt, broke, insolvent banks.
Ya think?
Bingo!
The program will pay six months’ worth of mortgage payments up to $12,000, or up to $6,000 to bring late loans current.
$2,000 a month mortgage payments qualify?
Any rules on if I took out a huge home equity loan and spent the money on a Hummer, boob jobs for the wife, granite counter tops and trips to Europe?
I hope the IRS enforces this (tax the sob’):
* You did a cash-out refinance and splurged.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/15/real_estate/taxes_mortgage_debt/index.htm
I wouldn’t pay $10 much less $76.47 to go to a football game. If I do decide to watch football I much prefer the T.V. in my living room.
NFL ticket prices on the rise.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The average ticket price for professional football games increased 4.5 percent this year to $76.47, even as some teams struggled to fill every seat.
The increase comes largely at the expense of the fans of the New York Jets and New York Giants, who face ticket price increases of 38.1% and 26.0% respectively. Both teams play in a $1.6 billion new stadium in New Jersey.
But prices pushed higher despite 15 NFL teams either keeping rates steady or lowering prices, according to a survey conducted by Team Marketing Report, a group that tracks ticket prices.
In fact, only nine of the NFL’s 32 teams have prices above the league average, with New England Patriots fans forced to fork over the most cash for a ticket: $117.84.
David Carter, executive director of USC’s Sports Business Institute, said the tough economy is certainly playing a role in pricing decisions made by management, and that some teams soften the blow of a price increase by including price breaks on concessions or parking.
But fans that buy tickets as part of season ticket packages should consider themselves lucky. The increase in the average face value of tickets is dwarfed by resold tickets in the secondary market.
The funny part is there might not be a football season.
That would be awesome if it happened.
But do you think the owners and players are stupid enough to kill the goose that lays $9 Billions a year? This is just a sideshow; a boom for lawyers and sports media.
Seats will be filled by corporate people. That’s been happening for some time now. Make it harder for average Joe to afford it and fill the stadium with the suits.
Are there that many suits? Mile High (cough … Invesco Field) seats of 70,000. I mean sure, they fill the luxury boxes, but most Broncos fans are ordinary schlubs.
Meanwhile the players are paid quite highly. Why not have each player “adopt a game” to offset the price increase? For an 80K seat stadium, a player keep the tickets at last year’s prices just by donating $275K for one game. Peyton Manning could probably find that in his couch cushions.
if either side was willing to part with some of their monies, there wouldn’t be a shutdown.
Both teams play in a $1.6 billion new stadium in New Jersey.
Built by the taxpayers…
Yup, there’s always money for corporate welfare.
So there really are welfare recipients who drive around in luxury cars and eat expenive food. They’re called team owners.
I haven’t been to a pro game since the 1990s.
$100+ after tix, parking and beer/food?
Up yours.
Paid for with MY tax money?
Oh hell no.
“[Price inflation] is caused solely by printing more money. For this the government’s monetary policies are entirely responsible.”
~Henry Hazlitt
You mean, you mean it isn’t J6P’s increasing wages? (or as we’ve now seen proven beyond all doubt, LACK of rising wages)
Americans Shun Cheapest Homes in 40 Years as Owning Loses Appeal
(Bloomberg)
The most affordable real estate in a generation is failing to lure buyers as Americans sour on the idea of home ownership.
Victoria Pauli signed a one-year lease last week to stay in her rental home in Fair Oaks, California. She had considered buying in the area, where property prices have slumped 57 percent since a 2005 peak.
In the end, she decided it wasn’t worth it.
“I know people who have watched their home values get cut in half, and I know people who are losing their homes,” said Pauli, 31, who works as a property manager for a real estate company. “It’s part of the American dream to want to own your own home, and I used to feel that way, but now I tell myself: Be careful what you wish for.”
The most affordable real estate in a generation is failing to lure buyers as Americans like Pauli sour on the idea of home ownership. At the end of 2010, the fourth year of the housing collapse, the share of people who said a home was a safe investment dropped to 64 percent from 70 percent in the first quarter. The December figure was the lowest in a survey that goes back to 2003, when it was 83 percent.
“The magnitude of the housing crash caused permanent changes in the way some people view home ownership,” said Michael Lea, a finance professor at San Diego State University. “Even as the economy improves, there are some who will never buy a home because their confidence in real estate is gone.”
Worse Than Depression
Historically, homes have been a safer investment than equities. During 2008, the worst year of the housing crisis, the median U.S. home price declined 15 percent, compared with a more than 38 percent plunge in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index.
Americans stay in their homes for a median of eight years, according to the National Association of Realtors in Chicago. Someone who bought a home in 2002 and sold in 2010 saw a 4.8 percent increase in value, based on the annualized median price measured by the group. The average annual gain in the past 20 years was 4.2 percent.
“Americans stay in their homes for a median of eight years, according to the National Association of Realtors in Chicago. Someone who bought a home in 2002 and sold in 2010 saw a 4.8 percent increase in value, The average annual gain in the past 20 years was 4.2 percent.”
and paid a Realtor 6% to sell it.
Meanwhile back at the ranch…..
“She had considered buying in the area, where property prices have slumped 57 percent since a 2005 peak.”
Maybe in Chicago someone who bought in 2002 and sold in 2010 saw a profit…
I just saw a nearly perfect condo sell for less in 2011 than it’s original price in 1979 here in Palm Beach County.
Andy, haven’t seen you in awhile (I haven’t been here as much either, work demands more and more of my time)..
What community was that condo in? I live in Hobe Sound, so I’m very familair with the area.
Any word on the nightmare that is the Landmark (a condo ranging to about 1M dollars that was built in a mall parking lot in S. FL (Palm Beach Gardens, to be exact))? That, and the Marina Grande (another condo with high prices built in a warzone, walking outside is like taking an evening stroll through Bagdad) are my fav “bubble condos” in this area. Well, and the Tao (in Weston), that’s a real winner too.
It’s the Jamestown condo building. Nice, overlooking a golf course with great I95 access. Sold in 1979 for $35,900 and in 2011 for $19,900.
Most expensive in Marina Grande is listed at $459K. Least expensive active is $190K and pending is $145K. You would have to pay me to live there.
Most expensive in Landmark is listed at $1.25 million while the least expensive is $329K. I’m not exactly sure what the appeal of living in a mall parking lot is.
There’s not enough money to get me to live in the Marina Grande. Maybe people are buying it for “possible appreciation” and then renting it out. I can’t imagine actually paying a few 100K and then living in that area (for those not from the area, it’s probably one of the worst neighborhoods in all of S. FL, consistently the ranking in the top 5 for murders/rapes/arrests/etc).
The Landmark just makes me laugh. As does the Tao. Who came up with the idea of putting huge condo towers in mall parking lots? It’s so silly, and yet, somehow they still are finding people to pay a premium price for a “Macy’s storefront view”? I guess there really is something for everyone!
Average annual gain in the past 20 years was 4.2 %
And still shrinking as we speak.
And of course, let’s not mention the defacto inflation rate during this same period was 4.2% or more. So, even at bubble pricing, you weren’t breaking even.
“Figures don’t lie, but liars figure….”
In the end, she decided
it wasn’t worth itfound out she didn’t have 10% cash for a down payment.Fixed it for ya, Miz Vicky. Americans aren’t sour, they are “fundamentally broke.” /prof bear.
A lot of private lenders won’t even led with 10%, it’s more like 20%. Even with 20% you won’t get a condo financed.
“Cheapest Homes in 40 Years”
Where are they getting THAT from? It certainly isnt the case in my neck of the woods. We’re maybe - maybe - at 2003 pricing - and that’s on the rare deal where wishing prices are not involved.
+1
Same in our area, Kim. We’re lucky to see 2003 prices, and the bubble was in high gear in 2003 around here.
“Americans Shun Cheapest Homes in 40 Years as Owning Loses Appeal”
There has never been a better time to rent!
“The most affordable real estate in a generation…”
*cough*bullshit*cough*
Housing Starts in U.S. Increased 7.2% in March to 549,000 Pace
April 19 (Bloomberg) — U.S. housing starts gained in March, as work began on 549,000 houses at an annual pace, up 7.2 percent from the prior month, figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. Building permits, a proxy for future construction, rose 11 percent to a 594,000 pace.
A gain in March housing starts failed to make up for ground lost the prior month, as U.S. home builders continue to struggle almost two years into the economic recovery.
Work began on 549,000 houses at an annual pace, up 7.2 percent from the prior month and exceeding the 520,000 median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News, figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. Starts fell 19 percent in February to the lowest level in almost two years.
Housing, which pushed the economy into the recession, remains the weak link in the recovery and continues to weigh on consumer spending as home prices fall. The prospect of more foreclosures and joblessness forecast to average 8.7 percent this year means any recovery in housing may take time to develop.
“We remain at very low levels,” said Richard DeKaser, an economist at Parthenon Group in Boston, who correctly forecast last month’s increase. “The best description is bumping along the bottom. The underlying trend is one of stability or modest improvement since we hit our low point a couple of years ago.”
Big U.S. Firms Shift Hiring Abroad
Work Forces Shrink at Home, Sharpening Debate on Economic Impact of Globalization. ~ WSJ
U.S. multinational corporations, the big brand-name companies that employ a fifth of all American workers, have been hiring abroad while cutting back at home, sharpening the debate over globalization’s effect on the U.S. economy.
The companies cut their work forces in the U.S. by 2.9 million during the 2000s while increasing employment overseas by 2.4 million, new data from the U.S. Commerce Department show. That’s a big switch from the 1990s, when they added jobs everywhere: 4.4 million in the U.S. and 2.7 million abroad.
Man, WSJ is really slow, isn’t it?
It has been a well known fact since the late 90’s. Better late than never? No I guess not.
Known since the 1980s.
U.S. multinational corporations, the big brand-name companies that employ a fifth of all American workers, have been hiring abroad while cutting back at home, sharpening the debate over globalization’s effect on the U.S. economy.
Debate? Uh, isn’t it as self evident on the noses on their editorial faces?
I continue to be amazed by the number of people who defend globalization as if it were there puppy. Not everyone is big on thinking.
“their” whatever. Sometimes I bother myself.
Spelling Nazi!
My employer pays more foreigners than US citizens. And they would not be here if it weren’t for old US of A, makin it possible.
Foster Farms?
Microsoft?
Yep, only in American would big business send our jobs overseas to a communist country in the name of freedom and capitalism.
You can’t fix that kind of stupid. And that’s why were doomed.
Great News…The starter Home i bought in the San Fernando Valley, North Hollywood Calif for $ 230 K in 1992 and sold for for 635k in 3/04 is now on the market for a wishful 475k…This made me feel so good,as i have remained a happy renter all these years…
Politicians are hooked on borrowing and spending.
And so is the public.
I don’t think the debt issue will be addressed in any serious way until the majority of the voting public is directly impacted by it. Or until the majority is immediately threatened in the near future.
Until then, the attitude is, “It’s still running, it’s not clear yet that there will be any real problem (see Michael Moore and his “America isn’t broke” comments).”
I have a suspicion though that this borrow/spend horse we’re on will be run until it collapses.
Pretty much like every empire that preceeded this one.
Imposing discipline is hard enough on the individual level, let alone the collective.
It HAS collapsed.
We are now beating the dead horse.
The other day, I noted that I thought that the Keynesian concept of government spending more in bad times, but paying down the debt in good times was fatally flawed, as the government could not bring itself to wean itself from deficit spending in good times.
Alpha-sloth said that this was wrong - that the debt was being paid down by every president till Reagan.
I looked into the issue and found a chart on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms
The debt continues to increase every year. It is true that at Reagan, it began to increase at a very high rate, and has remained so. But, no president ever reduced the debt after WWII.
So my point stands.
Government will keep running the debt horse till it collapses I think.
“Government will keep running the debt horse till it collapses I think”.
That is an absolute fact! No thinking about it! Yet millions that are paying attention believe the likes of congress and the fed can or will change direction, and save our system. Ain’t gonna happen, period.
Our system can be saved. Our system in its present form cannot.
I don’t often agree with you, but you are right about that.
After a while those trillion dollar deficits can sure add up!
as the government could not bring itself to wean itself from deficit spending in good times.
By “the government” I think you should distinguish the political parties. In good times, Democrats banked the money instead of cutting taxes. In good times, Republicans cut taxes instead of banking the money. I thought Keynes required that you bank the money in good times. If you don’t do that, you can’t blame Keynes.
In good times, Democrats banked the money instead of cutting taxes.
[Citation Needed]
Where was this money banked?
I’d really like to see a citation regarding the Democrats banking the money versus Republicans spending it.
Democrats have their constituencies to whom they funnel money and Republicans have their constituencies to whom they funnel money.
Politicians are politicians - money helps get them re-elected and allows them to live in the manner to which they are accustomed. I think it is utterly inaccurate to believe that Democrat politicians’ basic instincts regarding money and spending are any different than Republicans’.
It’s debt as a percentage of GDP that matters, Neuro. Here’s a graph for ya:
http://zfacts.com/p/1195.html
Well how ’bout that. “First offshore wind farm construction to start soon” in Nantucket Sound.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/19/us-wind-idUSTRE73H58E20110419
They should name it after Teddy.
Maybe I’d be the Kennedys’ weird neighbor in Hyannisport, but I think that watching the wind turbines would be cool. And, if I could afford one, I’d get a summer place on the Cape just so I could enjoy them.
Fed unveils most brilliant plan ever:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fed-unveils-proposal-on-rb-3706242456.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=
If only they could have thought of this sooner. Dammitt!!
“Lenders would be required to make sure prospective borrowers have the ability to repay their mortgages before giving them a loan, under a proposal released by the Federal Reserve on Tuesday.”
The Fed (as we know it) has been around since 1914, and this concept is still only a “proposal”!!
“Lenders would be required to make sure prospective borrowers have the ability to repay their mortgages before giving them a loan, under a proposal released by the Federal Reserve on Tuesday.”
Really? Wow! What a concept, I am so glad the ivy league brain trust is in charge. A poor old dumb southern boy like myself could have never conjured up something so brilliant. Of course it’s just a proposal, so it ain’t gonna happen.
“Lenders would be required to make sure prospective borrowers have the ability to repay their mortgages before giving them a loan, under a proposal released by the Federal Reserve on Tuesday.”
Wasn’t that the standard pre-housing-bubble mortgage loan underwriting formula? Kudos to the Fed for reinventing the wheel!
“Lenders would be required to make sure prospective borrowers have the ability to repay their mortgages before giving them a loan, under a proposal released by the Federal Reserve on Tuesday.”
This is “a proposal”? Umm, I’m no brainiac but….
Don’t even need to read the rest.
A Nobel Prize in Economics for Prof Bernanke, I say!
There’s a lot of money to be made from sucking money out of the public treasury. And a lot of politicians eager to make that happen in return for kickback–sorry, “campaign contributions”.
So I’m not getting too excited about real reform. Yet anyway.
Yet.
Two real-a-tors in our area ( central S.C.) are starting a new home building company. Listened to an ad they put out, went along the lines of…
“With over 5 decades of real estate experience we are in a unique position to understand the wants and desires of today’s home-buyer. Our team of experienced professionals we guide you through the process from start to finish. Isn’t it time to build the home of your dreams? With today’s low rates and easy financing there has never been a better time to build on your tomorrows. Go ahead you will not regret building the home you deserve. Call on us, and lets get started”.
This is like scalpers wanting to coach for the NFL. “With over 5 decades of scalping we are in a unique position to understand….we guide you through the game from start to finish…”
Because Realtors Are Liars. They know how to lie like nobody else.
This must be some kind of record for talking point density.
That’s because they are changing the existing paradigm through re-purposing of exciting resources, causing a synergistic shift of fundamental tasking and thus achieving excellence in the field of excellence achievement!
Beaufort Board: hike property tax or close schools
HILTON HEAD ISLAND, S.C. (AP) — The Beaufort County Board of Education says it will consider closing schools if the county council won’t approve a property tax increase.
The education board has voted to begin to take steps to close at least one or more schools starting in the 2012 school year.
Board member Wayne Carbiener says the board faces cutting major programs, increasing class size and laying off teachers because they have squeezed all the money out of the budget they can.
The board says it still needs the county council to raise taxes by 3 percent on vacation homes and commercial and personal property. State law exempts primary residences from property taxes to fund school operations.
(Reuters) - The U.S. economy appears to be running dangerously close to stall speed, and the rest of the world may not have enough oomph to compensate.
At the start of 2011, growth looked solid. The U.S. unemployment rate was finally dropping, consumers were in a spending mood, and economists were busily upgrading first-quarter growth projections to the range of 4 percent.
Those forecasts are falling fast. Many economists now think the U.S. economy grew at a sluggish 1.5 percent to 2 percent pace over the first three months of the year, and one forecaster even raised the possibility of a negative reading.
Whether this is a short-lived blip or a more worrisome dip depends largely on which way oil prices move, and how consumers and businesses around the world respond.
Goldman Sachs economist Andrew Tilton said downside risk was “unfortunately a phrase we have been using a lot lately.”
A quiet week for economic data probably won’t bring much, if any, good news. The highlights include a clutch of U.S. housing reports, which will serve as yet another reminder that the real estate slump persists.
Emerging markets have been the strongest global growth engine, giving advanced economies an export boost. But rising inflation pressures mean many countries will be clamping down on credit conditions, which would curb growth. Barclays Capital called inflation the “predominant risk” facing China.
GLASS HALF FULL
As for the United States, Barclays cut its first-quarter growth forecast to a rate of 2 percent from 3.5 percent, not quite as gloomy a forecast as some other Wall Street banks have published.
But Barclays economist Michael Gapen said the forces holding back first-quarter growth would likely prove “temporary” and the firm raised its second-quarter growth forecast — a rarity these days.
Gapen said economic measures such as industrial production and employment “have all been moving in a way that is consistent with strong, not weak, economic growth.”
American consumers have kept up spending on durable goods, including buying autos which should be sensitive to rising oil prices, and that bodes well for growth, Gapen said.
The flip side of that argument is that consumer confidence faded as oil and gasoline prices spiked, and if that translates into slower consumption the economy will suffer. Consumer spending accounts for some 70 percent of the U.S. economy.
“The extra cost of about 70 cents per gallon, relative to prices at the end of 2010, is siphoning off household income at a run rate equivalent to $100 billion per year — income that otherwise could have been spent on other goods and services,” Goldman’s Tilton said.
His firm is still forecasting that consumer spending will pick up in the second quarter, but he said that “will require a fortuitous combination of circumstances.”
I can’t remember the last time I saw growth of 6% or more since the 1980s. Anyone got a link?
How’s them damn socialeest/commie BRIC countries doing?
States see biggest revenue drop in 60 years
http://www.politico.com
In a sign of the sluggish economy’s devastating impact, state government revenue across the country dropped by nearly one third in 2009 - the sharpest decline in 60 years, the Census Bureau said in a new report.
States saw record-breaking losses to their pension funds and in their tax revenues, as the recession wreaked havoc on payrolls and investments,
Revenues plummeted by 30.8 percent, from $1.6 trillion in 2008 to $1.1 trillion in 2009, according to the report.
It was the most dramatic drop the Census Bureau has seen since it began collecting state revenue data in 1951.
States reported a total $477 billion drop in “insurance trust revenue” - mostly money from pension funds, while tax collections fell by $66 billion.
And the worst may still be to come.
Fiscal 2012 “will actually be the most difficult budget year for states ever,” said Nicholas Johnson, director of the state fiscal project at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, in an interview with The Washington Post.
The center reported last month that states will see budget shortfalls totaling more than $140 billion next year as they continue to wrestle with depressed revenue levels while federal stimulus dollars and reserves run out.
Fiscal 2012 “will actually be the most difficult budget year for states ever,”
Maybe he didn’t get the memo that 2013 has already been scheduled.
Or he’s Mayan.
Tide slowly turning…in MICHIGAN!
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House Votes to End Taxpayer-Financed Union Negotiators
Michigan Capitol Confidential | 4/18/2011 | Tom Gantert
In the Troy Public School District, a teacher whose total compensation tops $139,000 is paid by the district to do union business. There are 39 other school districts that have similar arrangements and these cost taxpayers $2.7 million.
House Bill 4059 would end that practice. It passed the state House of Representatives on a vote of 59-47 this week. All Democrats and three Republicans voted against the bill.
The Republicans voting with Democrats against the bill were Reps. Ed McBroom, R-Vulcan; Paul Muxlow, R-Brown City; and Dale Zorn, R-Ida.
The bill still needs to be passed by the state Senate and the signed by the governor to become law. It is sponsored by Rep. Marty Knollenberg, R-Troy.
“Paying someone with taxpayers’ dollars to negotiate against the taxpayer – it makes no sense,” said Rep. Dave Agema, R-Grandville. “It’s an abuse of taxpayers’ dollars by one of the wealthiest unions in the states.”
Doug Pratt, spokesman for the Michigan Education Association, didn’t return an email seeking comment.
Some of the agreements are in union contracts. The bill wouldn’t impact those arrangements until they expired. But the union officials couldn’t be paid by taxpayer dollars in future agreements.
I’ll spell out how it works for our Republican friends. I’ll use small words, hoping that they will understand.
The union reps are also employees. When they do union business, they “clock out” as employees, and “clock in” as union reps.
THEY STILL GET PAID BY THE COMPANY, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE DOING UNION BUSINESS. JUST LIKE THE MANAGERS AND HR PEOPLE THEY ARE TALKING TO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE.
These guys don’t just talk about money. They talk about serious HR issues, like sexual harrassment, prejudice in hiring/firing, safety, exposing people to toxins and developing rules for handling disputes like these.
I’ve been on both sides. A properly managed company-union relationship has benefits for both parties. If nothing else, a properly negotiated contract spells out the “rules” everyone is going to play by. Differences of opinion/judgement are decided/negotiated/worked out thru the grievance procedure. A contract spells out acceptable behavior for BOTH parties.
As I’ve said repeatedly, bad management came a long time before bad unions.
If you don’t have them addressing these issues internally, I guarantee you that a lot more of it would end up in the courts. And lawyers aren’t cheap. Of course, addressing it internally instead of thru the courts is ever considered “savings”
2banana, as most Republicans do nowadays, only looks at the business/union relationship through his own narrow “unions are parasites” perspective. He seems to believe that the downfall of the West is going to be due to union teachers making $40K a year, and union janitors making $10.
If the country implodes, it’s going to be more because of the financial stupidity of the management class, and their fluffers in government who can’t seem to put financial crooks in jail
Here are some simple points that you seem to ignore:
1. These are PUBLIC unions. No corporations involved.
2. These union goons are paid $139,000 per year by the taxpayer to work for their own public union.
3. There are no “two sides” in negotiations with public union goons. There is one side taking as much as they can and the taxpayer picking up the tab.
4. Public unions are the reason cities, counties and states that are going bankrupt.
American is changing. If MICHIGAN sees the problem with public union goon – we are well past the tipping point.
1. As much as you trash government managers, you should be SUPPORTING unions. As bad as private sector management is, you must assume that government management is twice as bad.
Disputes between management and labor are going to be solved somewhere. We’re not talking some half-azz little shop with 5 employees and a “my way or the highway” owner/manager.
2. How many union members/employees do these “union goons” represent? A large number of people may well require a full time union rep. Do you want your productive managers bogged down in grievances or litigation?
3. Your statement is non-sensical on its face. If what you are saying was true, union members would be making as much as the CEOs.
4. Your statement implies ALL government is going bankrupt because of union contracts. Wrong. Nobody held a gun to the head of these managers to sign these contracts. And are their pensions excessive, or are the plans in a bind because of reduced revenue, and the banksters trashing the pension fund’s investments?
Just for the information of the audience………what do YOU think is “fair compensation” for a police officer/fireman/teacher?
what do YOU think is “fair compensation” for a police officer/fireman/teacher?
Whatever the market decides. Just like any other job out there. What’s fair compensation for an airplane mechanic. For a software developer. For a realtor?
There’s not an objective answer. The closest thing is what a rational market will decide, given supply and demand.
Cop out.
You guys are always talking about “union thugs” getting into your pockets.
You are a taxpayer. Tell us what you think. Should these guys be taking a vow of poverty in order to provide service to the community?
The so called “market” says a half-azzed wide receiver is worth a couple million bucks a year, and a bankster is worth several hundred million, no matter how badly he fooks up.
Don’t make me laugh about the “market” being smart. The “market” would rather low ball everyone, then pay someone else to come in again and fix the fook ups, than pay someone a decent price to fix it right the first time.
Lets just pay our cops $10/hour, and after 5 years, when all our police departments are populated with scumbags being bought off by Mexican drug dealers, we’ll clean house, do what we should have done to begin with, and pay out the nose to get the PD back to where it was.
The market always decides it wants to hurt and kill you.
http://www.cpsc.gov
The market needs rules to efficiently allocate resources. Left to its own devices, a capitalist/free-market oriented society morphs into oligarchy/plutocracy.
Without any rules, you get Mogadishu.
A properly regulated market, designed to prevent monopoly and price gouging, and controlled to yield maximum benefit to the society in which it operates, will yield maximum benefit to society.
“A properly regulated market, designed to prevent monopoly and price gouging, and controlled to yield maximum benefit to the society in which it operates, will yield maximum benefit to society.”
A very Keynesian statement.
These guys don’t just talk about money. They talk about serious HR issues, like sexual harrassment, prejudice in hiring/firing, safety, exposing people to toxins and developing rules for handling disputes like these.
You’re wasting your breath. Ideologues like bananaboy aren’t interested in facts.
“He seems to believe that the downfall of the West is going to be due to union teachers making $40K a year, and union janitors making $10.”
And nothing will convince him to believe otherwise.
“…..aren’t interested in facts.”
(Sigh) I know.
He reminds me of one of the other foreman I used to work with. would have had “Fox News” on Twitter, if Twitter had been around. Constantly butting heads with the union/non-union guys over trivial BS. Running his crew with the “my way or the highway” management style. Screwing with people, just because he felt like he could. Constantly over at HR fighting grievances filed on him
And year in and year out, his projects were always over budget and late, while everybody else’s looked fine.
I had one grievance filed on me in 9 years. For taking an airplane out to do engine runs (bargaining unit job), so my guys could go to lunch one night. The steward filed it, mainly because I did it right in front of him, where he couldn’t ignore it. Grievance went away when I promised I’d try to avoid a future re-ocurrance.
You’re wasting your breath. Ideologues like bananaboy aren’t interested in facts…And nothing will convince him to believe otherwise.
Not even gettin’ “owned”.
It almost seems these clowns want to get owned. Out of hundreds of inane rambling and yammering posts I’ve yet to read one that isn’t laced with corporate think tank talk. It’s quit pathetic really.
Abusive co-dependency is a sad, sad, thing.
Job center blasted for giving capes to unemployed
ORLANDO, Fla.(AP) – Florida officials are investigating an unemployment agency that spent public money to give 6,000 superhero capes to the jobless.
Workforce Central Florida spent more than $14,000 on the red capes as part of its “Cape-A-Bility Challenge” public relations campaign. The campaign featured a cartoon character, “Dr. Evil Unemployment,” who needs to be vanquished.
Florida’s unemployment agency director asked Monday for an investigation of the regional operation’s spending after the Orlando Sentinel published a story about the program. State director Cynthia Lorenzo said the spending appeared to be “insensitive and wasteful.”
Workforce Central Florida Director Gary J. Earl defends the program, saying it is part of a greater effort to connect with the community. The agency says it served 210,000 people during its last fiscal year, placing nearly 59,000 in jobs.
State director Cynthia Lorenzo said the spending appeared to be “insensitive and wasteful.”
Come on Cynthia, a long time friend of mine lost his job last year and came to me seeking advice. I told him the first thing I would do is go out and buy a red cape and blue tights and shirt with a big red U on it. Then I would wear it down to the unemployment office and on every job interview I went on.
Be a pretty cool uniform to riot in. You could always spot your bros, and you’d look impressive when you charged the police line en masse.
Mortgage denied: Sometimes, for no good reason
April 19, 2011
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Getting a mortgage just keeps getting tougher, and many home buyers are getting rejected for loans they could easily afford.
The issue: Tighter standards from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government entities that back mortgages made by banks.
Banks are reluctant to make loans without the Fannie and Freddie guarantee, and loans backed by them account for just about every mortgage written these days.
In 2009, the agencies lifted the minimum credit score that borrowers must have from 580 to 620. That’s probably for the best.
But they’ve pushed through a host of other requirements as well, and that means real estate deals don’t get done, even for some relatively low-risk borrowers.
“You can have one Fannie/Freddie guideline you violate and that gets you rejected,” said Alan Rosenbaum of GuardHill Financial.
A quarter of all mortgage loan applicants get denied for loans, according to the Federal Reserve. Many other potential home buyers never even try to get loans, said Jerry Howard, president of the National Association of Home Builders.
“The pendulum has swung too far in the other direction,” Howard said. “This overreaction is retarding the housing market recovery.”
“In 2009, the agencies lifted the minimum credit score that borrowers must have from 580 to 620. That’s probably for the best.”
That’s really raising standards huh folks? A real overreaction too.
The greed of that scumbag knows no bounds.
Are you a Bobo?
That just described half of the population were I live.
Just another label for Yuppie poseurs.
Hey have you guys heard the news?
Is it that the recession is over?
That they are proposing to give loans only to those who have the means to pay them back?
C’mon. You must have *some* idea…
Gas Prices Nearing Point Where Americans Cut Back
Tuesday, 19 Apr 2011 Christian Science Monitor
With about six weeks to go until the summer driving season begins, the price of a gallon of gasoline is just 18 cents away from the record price of $4.11, which was set in the summer of 2008.
The prices at the pump hit a national average of $3.83 a gallon on Monday, according to AAA. That’s close to the point where consumers say they will have to start cut back to pay their fuel expenses. This could adversely affect restaurants, malls, and entertainment venues that count on people driving to get there. Some analysts say it’s one reason the stock market has been struggling recently, including on Monday, when the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 140.24 points to close at 12,201.59.
“I am sure the rising cost of energy is bothering the market,” says Fred Dickson, chief investment strategist at D.A. Davidson & Co. in Lake Oswego, Ore. “I do think the uptick in gasoline prices will have an impact on consumer spending in the next few quarters.”
Perhaps, because gas prices have been rising for months, most Americans are not surprised. In a survey last month, the Gallup Organization found the average American expected the price of gasoline to peak this summer at $4.36 a gallon. Some 20 percent of respondents thought the price could go as high as $5 a gallon.
Nearly every spring, the price starts to climb as refiners shift over to their summer blends, which are more expensive to produce. On top of that, this spring has seen disruptions in the oil market because of the turmoil in Libya.
On Monday on the New York Mercantile Exchange, the price of oil fell $2.31 a barrel to $107.35, in part reflecting a move by China to try to slow its soaring economy.
According to Gallup’s chief economist, Dennis Jacobe, the “psychological point” where people start to change their driving habits is $4 a gallon for gasoline – up from $3.50 a gallon in the past.
“At $4 a gallon, you get people who might have money to spend otherwise, but with the amount gasoline costs, they start to cut back in response to the price,” Mr. Jacobe says. “At $4 a gallon, they park the extra vehicle if they have two cars and use the most efficient one, and they make fewer trips. It really does have a subtle effect.”
And, pray tell, WHY should it get more expensive as they “shift to summer blends”. It’s not like summer never shows its face at the same time every year. It’s always “summer” somewhere.
And there is always some “disruption” of some kind or other happening all the time. Year in and year out.
Speculators/OPEC run the market. Governments know this, and choose to do nothing. No problem, J6P will eventually have to pay the freight, one way or the other. So plan accordingly.
Don’t bring any of this “free market” babble around me, unless you want me to laugh in your face.
Funny how they’re always looking for a magic price that serves as the tipping point. There is also a time variable to this as well. A sustained period of higher fuel prices will be more corrosive than some headline number.
Gold is bumping into $1500.00 Silver is over $44.00
Has to be a bubble.
I heard this at $690. I heard this at $900. At $1200. Then i sold a handful or two sometime between $1200 and $1496. Not disappointed. Cash is king. Gold is king.
IIRC, Aladinsane left the US for New Zealand a couple years ago. Gold was between $900 and $1,000 per ounce. And I got the idea that he was 100% into gold. If he had perth gold based in Australia, he probably still has a few hundred ounces. If it was in the US in physical metal, he probably sold it all. If he sold it all, what a bummer!
Obama motors has failed.
$50 billion (MORE than all the recent arguments to cut the 2011 budget) wasted in the obama payback to save unsustainable unions jobs, benefits and pensions.
Add to the obama pile of wasted billions to save unsustainable banks, wall street firms, cities and states.
Hope and Change. We got it!
4 MORE YEARS!
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U.S. Hurries to Sell GM Stake
Wall Street Journal | 4/19/2011 | SHARON TERLEP
The U.S. government plans to sell a significant share of its remaining stake in General Motors Co. this summer despite the disappointing performance of the auto maker’s stock, people familiar with the matter said.
A sale within the next several months would almost certainly mean U.S. taxpayers will take a loss on their $50 billion rescue of the Detroit auto maker in 2009.
To break even, the U.S. Treasury would need to sell its remaining stake—about 500 million shares—at $53 apiece. GM closed off 27 cents a share at $29.97 in 4 p.m. trading Monday on the New York Stock Exchange, hitting a new low since its $33-a-share November initial public offering.
To save a huge chunk of what’s left of the US manufacturing base, the government spent/lost around 11.5 billion dollars.
(the difference between “break” even and the current stock price)
Chicken feed, in the bigger scheme of things. The wifes of the IB CEOs could have financed a big chunk of this with their free TARP money.
“The wifes of the IB CEOs could have financed a big chunk of this with their free TARP money.”
I am very much looking forward to hearing Bernanke’s explanation of that one.
“Add to the obama pile of wasted billions to save unsustainable banks, wall street firms, cities and states.”
IIRC correctly the GM bailout was a bipartisan effort that began under the previous admin.
“Obama motors has failed.”
I don’t understand why some Americans are so eager to see GM fail. I would rather see a successful, profitable GM, and so far that appears to be the direction they are headed. As for their stock price, are other auto manu’s doing any better?
To put $1 billion in perspective, check the wiki page “Eclipse Aviation”…….
For the illustrious story of Eclipse Aviation, a company that burned thru 2 billion dollars of private equity and creditor money, co-opted and corrupted the FAA aircraft certification process, while turning out 260 half-azzed, incomplete, unsupportable mini-biz-jets.
You mean people couldn’t tell by their name?
That’s like investing in a company called Cerberus or Janus.
I don’t understand why some Americans are so eager to see GM fail. I would rather see a successful, profitable GM, and so far that appears to be the direction they are headed.
Even though I’m a hardcore pedalhead, I don’t want to see GM fail either. Yes, I do want it to get over its case of the terminal stupids, but that’s not the same as rooting against it. Not by a longshot.
“Hope and Change. We got it!
4 MORE YEARS!”
So what would you have done differently? Let GM die on the vine? Even other automakers (that includes foreign ones) didn’t want to see that happen, as it would have put many suppliers out of business, suppliers that other automakers depend on.
Compared to the Wall St. bailouts, the GM bailout was a blip, and unlike with the vampire squid it actually saved real jobs, and not just a GM.
Personally, I have many reasons to be disenchanted with Obama (his being a Wall St. lapdog is #1 on my list). But to decry him because he saved what by some estimates were as many as 2 million jobs, it just shows that you have an ideological ax to grind. And let there be no doubt, had McCain won, GM would have been bailed out.
1. would you have let GM die? yes.
2. obama saved 2 million jobs. ok, but at what price?
3. mccain would have done the same thing. 100% agree, but he would have been wrong too.
A traditional bankruptcy reorganization is what GM needed. What they got was an unconstitutional bailout/government led bankruptcy complete with government ownership in the new entity.
A traditional bankruptcy reorganization is what GM needed.
Why? Do you think GM was facing a “traditional”, “free-market” abroad? Socialized medicine in GM’s competition’s countries, national retirement plans superior to our Soc Sec, unfair import quotas in GM’s competition’s countries and certain government subsidies in GM’s competition’s countries have acted as a De Facto bailout for GM’s foreign competition for DECADES. This “GM couldn’t compete” stuff is bunk. Compete against subsidized and sheltered foreign car makers who don’t even have to worry about paying high pensions and health-care premiums because their “socialized” health-care and pensions kick our a$$?
So you preach the free-market mantra but don’t realize the stacked deck globalization B.S. has hobbled U.S. manufacturing and then you would throw one of USA’s last strategic manufacturing assets to the wolves because they couldn’t compete in an unfair globalized market that helped cause its demise?
A traditional bankruptcy would basically have meant the end of the US auto industry.
The Chinese would have bought all the intellectual property at pennies on the dollar, and walked on everything else.
All the subcontractors would have gone down the crap tube, and the same thing would have happened with them.
Of course, none of this really matters, because GM sold cars to Middle Class Americans, and we are going to be out of the new car market for a long time.
Nobody on Wall Street or the top 5% on the income bracket gave a ratz-azz about GM, because they all bought German cars anyway. Detroit cars are for losers.
“And let there be no doubt, had McCain won, GM would have been bailed out”.
You are absolutely correct! McCain would have done the exact same thing. There is no difference between the two in that respect. In fact there is little difference between the two period. His(Barry’s) voters have found that out. Well, all except for the truly stupid.
I would have let GM “fail” as any non-performing business that can’t pay it’s debts and obligations should. They should have filed bankruptcy, that is the way it should be, and that part of the system works. They could have reorganized, streamlined and set about becoming a successful company again or been bought up a stronger one. Either way it’s to late now and GM is still a sick group propped up by taxpayers, hardly a winning formula.
Great. The amnesty idea just won’t die:
Obama meets with what the White House describes as “senior administration officials and stakeholders” to discuss plans for tighter border security border as well as a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who are already in the U.S.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/04/obama-talks-immigration-with-officials—-but-no-members-of-congress/1
At the risk of playing devil’s advocate, let me put this idea out there:
The path to citizenship, if any such thing manages to pass both houses of Congress, will probably be long and rocky. And that will be the point.
And, if we can get an effective E-verify system to go along with this path, it will serve as quite the motivation to self-deport. As in, get out while the getting is good.
And, if we can get an effective E-verify system to go along with this path, it will serve as quite the motivation to self-deport
Certainly that would be nice, though it would mean nothing without enforcement (that is the actual job of the executive, no? Perhaps they should be focusing on that first)…
It still doesn’t sit well with me that we’d “reward” people who have blatantly broken the laws of this country.
The reality is that nobody want to see a re-run of “stuffing Mexicans into trains, for “resettlement” in the South”.
People would buy into reality, and recognize some kind of amnesty program is inevitable, except for the fact we were sold the same bill of goods back in 1986.
The illegals got amnesty up from, while the rest of us were promised “tough enforcement” that never seemed to happen.
We don’t need any new laws, just start throwing a few thousand contractors/restaurant owners/roofers/Tim Geitners in jail for 5 years for hiring illegals, and the problem will fix itself.
Wall Street needs non-unionized wage slaves, and Obama needs the Latino vote.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=184512
Yep. They were pumping that $8,000 “credit” for buying a house, remember? How’d it work out?
The median price of homes sold in March was $123,000, down from $136,000 in March 2010. Association president Bill Malkasian says buyers were “highly motivated” last year because of the federal homebuyer tax rebates.
Malkasian tells the Journal Sentinel that mortgage interest rates and income levels have remained about the same as last year.
Yeah, they were “highly motivated” all right, and the Realtors were jumping up and down there (and here) about how “it’s a great time to buy with the nice tax credit!”
There’s one problem, of course - they didn’t mention that prices were going to fall another $13,000, which means your $8,000 credit in fact cost you $5,000.
Oops.
Now to be fair, they obviously didn’t know that in advance. But it wasn’t hard to figure out that the bottom hadn’t actually been hit in many if not most of these areas. That didn’t stop the pumping - around here we had the local Realtors saying “it’s time to get in the game” (while holding a football on a local field.)
Locally, Zillow says our median was $202k was last year. This year? $187,000, so your $8,000 tax credit in fact cost you $7,000. Oh, and let’s not forget that this fine Realtor (and his cronies in the deal) who had “your” best interest at heart and was absolutely certain that it was time to “get in the game” pocketed $12,000 in commissions (at 6%) suckering you into overpaying by that same 15 large, which netted you a very nice $8,000 loss (of course he’s not responsible for his puffery and you should trust him in the future, right? Exactly how many times do you like getting kicked in the nuts?)
You got gamed all right….
Incidentally, for not much more than that loss, net-net, you could have rented the same house and owed nothing (same 2010 average rental for the same “median” house was $850, or $10,200 - and you didn’t have to pay property taxes or hazard insurance on the house either.)
Given taxes and insurance rates around here you were way ahead to rent rather than buy.
And there it is…. Treacherous, deceptive, dishonest, corrupt, realtors.
Realtors truly are Liars.
$123,000, down from $136,000
Only down $13,000 so far on average due to their decisions to take $8K tax credit? I’m frankly surprised the median is not off by more, as $8K credit with leverage can serve to fluff prices by far more than $8K.
I’m probably ignoring an important detail, which is the median-priced home now selling for $123,000 is likely a more desirable home than the one which previously sold for $136,000. I.e., last year’s $136,000 home has dropped in value by more than $13,000.
ReaItors Are Liars
There is no mention of anyone wearing red capes.
Hookers, pimps and gang members arrested in Polk prostitution sting
By Bianca Prieto
Orlando Sentinel
Posted: 7:54 a.m. Tuesday, April 19, 2011
Polk County deputies arrested 60 people, including a Disney worker, during a week-long operation targeting on-line prostitution.
Deputies arrested 36 women and 24 men, including many Central Florida residents and several from out-of-state.
“Some arrived alone. Some car-pooled; and some arrived in taxis, bringing along their children, condoms, and STDs,” Sheriff Grady Judd said in a statement.
“Detectives targeted online escort services who promote prostitution…Detectives saw a 15-year-old run-away who brought her infant child along, a pregnant woman, a school bus driver, gang members, and pimps.”
Among those arrested was Travis Hill of Davenport, who said he worked for Disney as an audio technician. Hill was charged with one count of solicitation.
Also arrested is Hector Febus-Ojeda, an Orlando man with breast implants.
Febus-Ojeda was charged with one count of soliciting prostitution. Deputies say he posted an ad on backpage.com in an area with the escort services specializing in transsexual escorts, Polk authorities said.
Officials and an undercover detective negotiated a sex act for $300. “Upon arrival Ojeda revealed his breast implants to the undercover detective,” Polk officials said in a report.
Jorge Marcado, 41, of Orlando, was charged with deriving proceeds from prostitution. Deputies identified Febus-Ojeda and Marcado as Mears taxi drivers — however, a company spokesman said Febus-Ojeda never worked for the company.
Spokesman Roger Chapin said Marcado’s name is similar to that of a driver, but not exactly the same. He couldn’t confirm if Marcado is a Mears employee or not.
Others arrested included a 15-year-old runaway from Chicago who arrived at the undercover location with her pimp and 2-month-old child. The alleged pimp, Jonathan Padilla, and the baby stayed in the car while the girl went to meet the undercover officers.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/hookers-pimps-and-gang-members-arrested-in-polk-1414385.html - -
Meanwhile, not a single Wall Street banker has gone to prison for the biggest swindle on the taxpayers in US history.
Illegal prostitution in the “land of the free”: What a joke.
In Brazil prostitution is not illegal. Pimping is illegal.
We’re all prostitutes, when you get right down to it.
About 99% of us are doing stuff with our bodies that we really don’t want to do, for money.
Not that I’m an authority on the subject, but I think prostitution is about paying for sex. Or more to the point, paying for the “partner” to go away afterwards.
‘Or more to the point, paying for the “partner” to go away afterwards.’
Getting away from your coworkers & customers at the end of the day is definitely an advantage of any typical employment situation…
“We’re all prostitutes, when you get right down to it.”
You must have a really, really broad definition of ‘prostitute.’ I know many people who definitely don’t meet any reasonable definition of the term.
See my definition above. True, it is pretty broad.
Anyone who has resisted choking the crap out of some asshat that dearly deserved it, because he was worried he would lose his paycheck, is basically giving away a little piece of your self respect for free. Your employer is sure never going to compensate you for it.
“Anyone who has resisted choking the crap out of some asshat that dearly deserved it, because he was worried he would lose his paycheck, is basically giving away a little piece of your self respect for free.”
Anyone who has succumbed to the temptation to choke the crap out of some asshat that dearly deserved it has typically given away a big piece of his future livelihood in exchange for a little piece of self respect.
I work on preserving self respect without yielding to base urges.
“We’re all prostitutes, when you get right down to it.”
I agree. The nature of work is selling yourself to another.
Oh, you say you like your job? So do some prostitutes.
“Oh, you say you like your job? So do some prostitutes.”
Now we are getting somewhere. What if you like your job and you work for free? What does that make you? (My guess: Married?)
“In Brazil prostitution is not illegal. Pimping is illegal.”
Was it illegal to watch “Pimp My Ride” in Brazil?
And if so, did they have to change the name to “Prostitute My Ride”?
Pimp My Ride was a TV show produced by MTV. Each episode consists of taking one car in poor condition and restoring it, as well as customizing it. The original American version was hosted by rapper Xzibit (one episode featured guest host Chamillionaire).
YouTube - The Best Of Kramer - The Pimp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_zKCUG20xs - 114k -
I heard this NPR story on prostitution in Brazil yesterday.
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/18/135519259/brazil-aims-to-clean-up-image-ahead-of-games?ft=1&f=2
“But anthropologist Thaddeus Blanchette says his research tells another story: In Rio, the vast majority of sex workers are like Milena, adults who have had other jobs and freely choose prostitution because it pays so well. They are former maids, cooks, store clerks — even interns.
“They have to spend a year, maybe two, in a free internship after they leave university in order to get a good job in a profession,” he says. “And there are a lot of men and women who turn tricks to make ends meet during that internship as well. So it’s a very diverse group.”
I thought it was telling that unpaid interns are turning to prostitution to make ends meet. Coming to a city near you?
Public Retirees Surge as States Cut Benefits to Shrink Deficits
~ Bloomberg
Teri Essex retired a year earlier than planned when she was offered $56,000 to leave her elementary-school teaching job in Elk Grove, California.
Instead of accepting a salary cut, larger classes and less money for supplies from spending reductions made last year by California lawmakers closing a $19 billion budget deficit, Essex, 60, took the money over nine years to retire in 2010 after 21 years of teaching.
“The financial buyout was a no-brainer,” said Essex, whose school was 15 miles (24 kilometers) outside Sacramento. Even though she’ll give up about $300 monthly by quitting early, she said, “Once you start thinking about retiring, it was like, ‘Oh yeah, I want to do this.’”
California, Florida and Texas are seeing more retirements as rising benefit costs, pay cuts and looming furloughs prompt workers to leave. Inducements to quit early also boosted departures in New York as U.S. states tackled budget gaps totaling more than $540 billion since fiscal 2009, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. In New Jersey, Wisconsin and Ohio, added motivation came from attacks on unions over costs that strained budgets.
“These are people electing to retire because they’re worried,” Jeffrey Keefe, who teaches labor and employment relations at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey, said in a telephone interview. “They are demoralized by the current public-employee condemnations.”
Potential Brain Drain
One-third of state and local workers with special skills, such as teachers, nurses, legal staff, engineers and managers, will be eligible to retire within five years, said Elizabeth Kellar, president of the Washington-based Center for State and Local Government Excellence, a nonprofit research organization. Retirements delayed by the recession and an increase in eligible workers contributed to the recent increases.
That may exacerbate a brain drain at states and municipalities, where employment has fallen by 2.5 percent since its peak in August 2008, according to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data. Since 1995, the number of state employees outside education is little changed.
May God strike down Lying Realtors aka House Pimps with a plague of monumental proportions.
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This depiction of a beached middle-aged white male and the article that accompanies it are too depressing to offer comment; except perhaps that now is not the time to buy a home.
Sorry, He’s Toast
An exclusive NEWSWEEK Poll proves what every wife intuitively knows: unemployed middle-aged men are sad, tired, and defeated.But here’s the rub: they’re also in denial.
his depiction of a beached middle-aged white male and the article that accompanies it are too depressing to offer comment;
I read it. Here’s a comment to the story by a reader. Which is wilder? The comment or the article?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2LpLhOsc4
Ex-CEO of mortgage giant convicted of $3B fraud
By Michael Winter, USA TODAY
Apr 19, 2011
The former CEO of what used to be one of the largest mortgage companies was convicted today of a $3 billion fraud, the Associated Press reports.
[...]
Farkas, 58, took the stand during the two-week trial and proclaimed his innocence.
“I didn’t believe at the time I committed any crimes, and I don’t believe now that I committed any crimes,” Farkas said.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/04/ex-ceo-convicted-of-3b-mortgage-fraud/1
He will pay a fine of a few million and serve no jail time, if past precedent holds true.
What does housing-starts data have to do with copper? Is it a matter of barely-increased demand for copper wiring? Or do the Wall Street analysts expect new home construction to soon return to 2005 levels?
Good luck with that plan.
Metals Stocks
April 19, 2011, 3:56 p.m. EDT
Gold hits key level of $1,500 an ounce
Gold rises, settling at another record
Gold futures move higher; silver gains
By Claudia Assis and Sue Chang, MarketWatch
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Gold futures closed at a record Tuesday after bouncing off $1,500 an ounce, getting a lift from a weaker dollar and longer-running worries about debt-strapped developed markets.
Copper and other metals, which started the day on firmer ground, held their gains after getting a boost from housing-starts data.
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Can’t wait for the Republiscum to catch the blame for crashing the economy, due to saber rattling over the debt ceiling, which led to the S&P debt ratings downgrade threat.
Freshman Republican’s bind: Vote convictions or help economy by rising debt limit?
By Philip Rucker, Tuesday, April 19, 9:47 PM
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. — On his 104th day in office, Rep. David Schweikert stepped before about 60 of his constituents here and, like an economics professor, flipped through one scary chart after another to hammer home his point: America faces a tidal wave of debt.
Then he asked for a show of hands: If you were a freshman congressman like him, would you vote to raise the government’s debt limit?
Two hands went in the air.
He got the same reaction at another town hall meeting, and he expects it again at a tea party forum later this week.
Schweikert, a Republican, isn’t sure if he’d raise his hand, either.
This is his dilemma: He knows Congress has little choice but to raise the amount of money the government can borrow to prevent the economic havoc sure to follow if the United States defaults on its loans. He also knows doing so is deeply unpopular — not only among his conservative base, but among some moderates and liberals, too.
“I desperately want to vote ‘no,’ ” Schweikert said at the town hall. “I also desperately don’t want [the economy] to crash.”
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Here is one way to afford the cost of living in pricey San Diego County:
Others still to be arraigned
OCEANSIDE: 15 plead not guilty to prostitution ring
By TERI FIGUEROA
Posted: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:49 pm
More than a dozen accused pimps and others allegedly involved with a large, multi-gang prostitution ring based in Oceanside pleaded not guilty to racketeering charges in a federal courtroom Tuesday.
Most of the defendants, many of them said to be members of subgroups of the Crips gang, traded their blue gang colors for the white jumpsuits of federal inmates.
The arraignment for 15 defendants in a San Diego federal courtroom came a day after federal authorities announced they had indicted 38 people and had broken up a major “slavery” ring in which Oceanside gang members conspired with owners of a hotel and used the Internet to prostitute underage girls.
Other defendants, some of whom are being shipped to San Diego from prisons around the state or country, are to be arraigned in the coming days.
Players in the alleged enterprise went by street names such as Craze, Lunatic and Easy Money. The women worked out of hotel rooms and advertised online, prosecutors alleged. One of the alleged pimps gave a fellow alleged pimp a prostitute for his birthday, according to the indictment.
This case may be related to a similar but much smaller 2009 bust in Oceanside, during which —- according to court documents —- police said at the time that they suspected the Oceanside Travelodge was knowingly used as a brothel.
A hotel’s owner and his son are named as defendants in this case, and federal prosecutors are asking to seize the property.
In court Tuesday, Assistant U.S. Attorney Alessandra Serano asked that the members of the gang be held without bail, arguing that they were dangerous to the community and at risk of fleeing prosecution.
The hearing to determine bail for most of the 15 defendants is set for Friday afternoon.
Two of those arraigned Tuesday were women accused of being what are known as “bottoms,” which are senior or trusted prostitutes who help recruit and train other prostitutes.
Also in court were the Oceanside Travelodge owner, Vinod Patel, and son Hitesh Patel. Prosecutors said the Patels allowed the prostitution, tipping off the gang members if police came around. They are also accused of charging the pimps and prostitutes higher amounts to use the rooms.
“We are asking people to please keep an open mind. He’s a very good man, very well respected man in the community,” defense attorney Michael Pancer said of his client, the elder Patel.
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If this bloviating blow hard makes his way into the White House, I am leaving the country. That will be the last straw for me.
Especially if Sarah Palin is his running mate.
POLITICS
APRIL 20, 2011
Trump Candidacy for White House Gaining Ground
By NEIL KING JR.
Dismissed just days ago as an exercise in self-promotion, Donald Trump’s flirtation with a White House run appears to be picking up steam as the real-estate magnate moves toward establishing the rudiments of a campaign.
In an interview with WSJ reporter Kelly Evans, Donald Trump revealed that should he not receive the GOP presidential nomination, he may run as an independent candidate.
The real-estate developer and reality-television star is reaching out to Republican Party activists, both in Washington and in early states such as Iowa, and is talking to an array of potential handlers, pollsters and operatives.
In an interview, Mr. Trump said people are finally realizing he is serious. “Originally they said, ‘Oh, Trump is just having a good time,’ ” he said. “Then they were saying, ‘Well, this is getting interesting.’ Then, as of today they are really taking it seriously. I’m not playing games. I am totally serious.”
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I propose shutting down Wall Street firms that pose future bailout risk to deal with the debt problem. We recently learned that trillions of American tax dollars can be put at risk by too-big-to-fail firms. Why not shut them down, or at least break them up into non-systemically risky pieces, before they rape, rob and steal from the American people yet again?
Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem
By Jon Cohen and Dan Balz, Wednesday, April 20, 12:01 AM
Despite growing concerns about the country’s long-term fiscal problems and an intensifying debate in Washington about how to deal with them, Americans strongly oppose some of the major remedies under consideration, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
The survey finds that Americans prefer to keep Medicare just the way it is. Most also oppose cuts in Medicaid and the defense budget. More than half say they are against small, across-the-board tax increases combined with modest reductions in Medicare and Social Security benefits. Only President Obama’s call to raise tax rates on the wealthiest Americans enjoys solid support.
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I suppose the Yahoos don’t get why a 15 percent drop in home prices might be worse at a household level than a 38 percent drop in equities. The reason in a nutshell: LEVERAGE.
For comparison, suppose a household invested $100,000 in equities and another $100,000 in a house purchase at the beginning of 2008, where the $100,000 constituted a 20% downpayment on the house. Under the above assumptions, the 38 percent drop in equities generates a $38,000 loss (38%*$100,000), while the 15 percent drop in housing generates a $75,000 loss (15%*$500,000). So though the percentage drop in home prices is smaller, due to the pernicious effect of leverage, the investor loses 75% of his home equity stake but only 38% of his (unleveraged) stock portfolio’s value.
Conclusion: REAL ESTATE TRULY IS THE WORST INVESTMENT.
Home Ownership Declining Despite Cheapest Prices in 40 Years
By Kathleen M. Howley, Bloomberg Businessweek
Apr 19, 2011
Victoria Pauli signed a one-year lease last week to stay in her rental home in Fair Oaks, California. She had considered buying in the area, where property prices have slumped 57 percent since a 2005 peak.
In the end, she decided it wasn’t worth it.
“I know people who have watched their home values get cut in half, and I know people who are losing their homes,” said Pauli, 31, who works as a property manager for a real estate company. “It’s part of the American dream to want to own your own home, and I used to feel that way, but now I tell myself: Be careful what you wish for.”
The most affordable real estate in a generation is failing to lure buyers as Americans like Pauli sour on the idea of home ownership. At the end of 2010, the fourth year of the housing collapse, the share of people who said a home was a safe investment dropped to 64 percent from 70 percent in the first quarter. The December figure was the lowest in a survey that goes back to 2003, when it was 83 percent.
“The magnitude of the housing crash caused permanent changes in the way some people view home ownership,” said Michael Lea, a finance professor at San Diego State University. “Even as the economy improves, there are some who will never buy a home because their confidence in real estate is gone.”
Worse Than Depression
Historically, homes have been a safer investment than equities. During 2008, the worst year of the housing crisis, the median U.S. home price declined 15 percent, compared with a more than 38 percent plunge in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index.
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