Home Ownership Looked Like A One-Way Bet
The Herald Tribune reports from Florida. “Sarasota real estate agent Gerard Pirot was not the only person who broke the county’s ordinance against short-term rentals last year, but he was the only one who got punished. In May, he was cited by the county’s code enforcement department for renting a house on Siesta Key for less than the 30-day increments allowed by law. Then, in September, he was fined $250 per day for repeating the offense, court records show.”
“John Lally, a code enforcement officer for Sarasota County, is the first to acknowledge that Pirot is just one of an increasing number of landlords who have been renting properties illegally throughout Florida since the onset of the Great Recession. ‘It’s a problem,’ Lally said. ‘People are trying to get money to pay mortgages on houses they may have bought at the height of the market in any way they can.’”
The News Press. “The ACLU’s lawsuit challenging Lee County’s ‘rocket docket’ may be about one person facing foreclosure, but it has implications for anyone who has stood before a judge and had only seconds to argue to try to keep his or her home. Whether this lawsuit succeeds, it should move courts, the state, federal government and lenders to take a bolder, more comprehensive approach toward solving the foreclosure crisis — the epicenter of which is Lee County.”
“The ‘rocket docket’ was implemented in the 20th Judicial Circuit — Lee, Collier, Charlotte, Glades and Hendry counties— specifically to handle foreclosure cases as expeditiously as possible. Hundreds of cases might be handled in a single day.”
“Eddie Felton, executive director of the Home Ownership Resource Center, who has helped borrowers resolve their issues, sees the situation getting worse. A combination of lender intransigence, poorly funded homeowner counseling programs, and soon-to-balloon variable interest rate loans will add fuel to the fire. ‘The economy hasn’t gotten any better — it’s gotten worse,’ he said. ‘If people had jobs, we would not be in the predicament we’re in.’”
The Palm Beach Post. “Nearly 9,500 homeowners applied for Florida’s Hardest Hit foreclosure prevention program during its statewide debut last week, only a quarter of the estimated 40,000 borrowers the $1 billion plan is intended to reach. With 5 percent of Florida’s 3.2 million home loans between 30 and 60 days delinquent, foreclosure defense attorney Ron Kaniuk said the initial turnout for the program was ‘pathetically low.’”
“A year-end Mortgage Bankers Association report found nearly 20 percent of the state’s home loans were in foreclosure or at least 90 days late. Kaniuk, who is based in Boca Raton, said there is a lack of awareness and understanding of the Hardest Hit plan. ‘Also, those who are hardest hit are worn out,’ he said. ‘They’ve been so jerked around by the banks with HAMP and HAFA and a dozen other acronyms that they don’t want to apply for anything else.’”
The Naples News. “Naples City Council last week said it plans to give more than $180,000 to Habitat for Humanity of Collier County. The nonprofit organization will use the money – given to the city in 1994 as part of Coastland Center mall’s development plan – to purchase and renovate foreclosed homes within city limits.”
“Marcy Krumbine, director of Collier County’s housing, human and veteran services division, said Collier County government has been administering a similar foreclosure rehabilitation program since 2009. Krumbine said the county can spend up to $150,000 to purchase a property and $50,000 for renovations. Anything over that amount needs to be approved by county commissioners.”
“‘It’s a smart move to use money this way,’ Krumbine said. ‘There’s a lot of housing out there, and a lot of it is abandoned and foreclosed.’”
The Miami News Times. “Earlier this week, Miami New Times sat down with restaurateur Jonathan Eismann to discuss the disappearance of his restaurant empire and his new pizza venture. At the helm of four successful venues last year, Eismann had seemed like Mister Miami. Then, little by little, the empire crumbled. Bills piled up, restaurants folded, and lawsuits were filed. Even Eismann’s six-bedroom house dropped in value by almost a million.”
“Eismann’s biggest problem might be his enormous waterfront home at on the Venetian Islands. In a filing dated January 22, 2011, mortgage holder BankUnited filed foreclosure proceedings against Eismann and wife to the tune of $1,384,368.89. According to Miami-Dade property records, the 4,900-square-foot residence was purchased in 1999 for $1,150,000. The house and property had a staggering market value of nearly $2.9 million in 2009. That fell to just more than $2.1 million in 2010.”
The Guardian. “The US housing market has been on the slide for five years and there is no sign of an imminent recovery. Home ownership levels are now back at levels seen in 1998. Some economists are even worried that the US’s may have fallen out of love with property ownership. It’s as if the boom years never happened.”
“Estate agent Mark Shore’s British Homes Group, based in Kissimmee, caters specifically for foreign buyers. Shore, a Briton, has been in Florida since 2003 and knows a lot of people who were burnt by the collapse, including himself: ‘A lot of people are very pissed off. A lot of people have just walked away.’ This has been the worst property crisis since the Great Depression, worse than the 1980s, he says. ‘You don’t just bounce back from that.’”
“‘You would have to go back to the Great Depression to find anything similar,’ says Paul Dales, US economist at Capital Economics. ‘It will recover at some point, but we are probably two or three years away.’”
“High unemployment, the tightening of lending criteria by the banks and the fact that so many homeowners are in negative equity have undermined the foundations of the housing market, he says. ‘The top end of the market has done OK, but the bottom end is doing badly and I wouldn’t be surprised if the top end sees a further drop off too.’”
“Perhaps there is something else at work here, a deeper shift in America’s attitude to home ownership. Dales believes there is hard evidence that Americans have fallen out of love with bricks and mortar. Historically Americans have not been as keen on home ownership as the British, he says. ‘In the boom, home ownership looked like a one-way bet – there was a greater incentive to get on the ladder. Now I think attitudes have changed.’”
“He believes the official numbers on the state of the US housing market may be 20% worse than they appear. The National Association of Realtors is currently reassessing its figures and they are not expected to be revised upwards.”
“There is a war of sorts brewing between the National Association of Realtors and housing data provider CoreLogic about the NAR’s reporting of home sales. CoreLogic contends that the NAR inflated sales figures going back to 2000 — and the NAR is not completely disputing the allegation. ‘It’s been widely reported that the National Association of Realtors existing home sales data fell only 5 percent to 4.9 million in 2010, down from 5.2 million in 2009 and flat relative to 2008,’ CoreLogic wrote in its February newsletter. ‘CoreLogic existing home sales data indicates otherwise. Existing home sales data did not experience an increase in 2009 and that sales fell again slightly in 2010.’”
“Drew Peterson, a broker who specializes in selling bank-owned foreclosures, said his guess is the truth probably lies somewhere between the two data sets. ‘I forgot who said it, but the quote, ‘There are lies, damned lies, and statistics’ probably applies here,’ he said. ‘Both NAR and CoreLogic have a heavy interest in how the market numbers appear, so both likely use the market studies and surveys that best support their position, whatever that is.’”
I have always wanted to go to Florida. Maybe I’ll get me a house with a mango tree in the back yard. That would be fun.
“Drew Peterson, a broker who specializes in selling bank-owned foreclosures, said his guess is the truth probably lies somewhere between the two data sets. ‘I forgot who said it, but the quote, ‘There are lies, damned lies, and statistics’ probably applies here,’
Usually said by people caught in a lie…
” Maybe I’ll get me a house with a mango tree in the back yard. That would be fun.”
Messiest. Trees. Ever. Just don’t park a vehicle within 25 feet of it.
Worse than pine sap drips? Worse than those pink things that fall off the oak trees in the spring?
Fruit trees in Florida are messy as all get out, especially citrus trees.
Unless you’re going to harvest and use all the fruit, don’t get one. They attact pests (rodents and vermin) and when the fruit falls to the ground it gets really messy in the heat.
Better be quick on the uptake when everything ripens. Fruit trees here attract rodents, large rats in particular.
“Eismann’s biggest problem might be his enormous waterfront home at on the Venetian Islands. In a filing dated January 22, 2011, mortgage holder BankUnited filed foreclosure proceedings against Eismann and wife to the tune of $1,384,368.89. According to Miami-Dade property records, the 4,900-square-foot residence was purchased in 1999 for $1,150,000. The house and property had a staggering market value of nearly $2.9 million in 2009. That fell to just more than $2.1 million in 2010.”M
For most people - still being up almost a $700,000 on your house in 2010 would NOT be a problem..
Unless he refied…
This is from the last link:
‘Michael Moulton, broker-associate of a Michael Saunders & Co. office on Longboat Key, reported a large number of residences for sale in Sarasota in the $500,000-and-up market…Moulton found 48 months of inventory in homes listed for $1 million and up.’
‘From $500,000 to $1 million there is a big increase in supply — 33 months — from 15 months at the start of this year…Moulton said that as of Feb. 17, there were 712 active listings in homes priced more than $1 million, with a mere 4 percent being short sales — 21 — or bank-owned foreclosures — 5.’
“The typical waterfront home now is a beautifully renovated home on Bird Key for just over $1 million,” he said. “We’re getting the home included when at the top of boom they would just buy the land.”
It’s so hard for me to try to judge the market on the high end stuff, but based on those inventory figures, there’s a lot more than a free house in store for people who wait.
Wait, there’s a county ordinance effectivly prohibiting vacation rentals in Sarasota coungy Florida? Am I the only one who is surprised by this?
This is common, don’t want those vacation renters disturbin the peas.
IIRC, there’s a bunch of HOAs, gated communities. Not really set up for weekend partiers. It’s actually a nice area. I got to drive around with a HBBer last summer looking at foreclosures and took photos of missing AC units, swimming pools full of green sludge, etc.
Hey, I get that when we’re talking about HOAs or towns. But an entire county?
It’s their tourism dollars that they’re losing. This type of restriction has always boggled my mind in a state so reliant on tourism.
It’s zoning. We had the same thing happen in Sedona AZ a few years back. The FBs started getting desperate and renting houses out for a weekend or a week. The neighbors got tired of the noise and people parking all over the place. Most people can put up with it a few times, but eventually call the police. Another thing to consider is that there is no management looking on to see the tourist don’t get out of line.
one of my 2 businesses is a vacation rental directory.
we have always been restricted in sandy utah and mammoth lakes, california.
part of the thinking is that SFR’s won’t pay the TOT anyway so focus the transient lodging where it is easier to collect the tax.
other areas are restricted ( fl keys i think ) but no real enforcement.
Case reported another 3.3% drop in housing prices for February… Minneapolis which had been much off the radar had a 27% drop in just the last 6 months or so…They are back to 2000 pricing…Chicago took a hit lately also…
The high end market is seeing a large increase in high end listings.
“Let’s face it — we’re all wondering what the heck happened to cause one of the most popular chefs to close four restaurants, all within a few months and a few blocks of each other. ”
Hmmm….I am not a pizza expert, but opening four restaurants close by doesnt seem to be the wisest strategy.
Maybe he took the Starbucks approach…that worked out well…no wait…
And who opens four restaurants within a few months (other than a national chain)? I think he was on a meth binge.
Ooops- he actually closed them all within a few months. Now that does make sense.
There is no doubt in my mind at least here in Southern California there has been no recovery and from the perspective of a small business owner, my customers are more likely to be suffering financial hardship and just do without…
For the most part, each dollar earned requires more marketing and effort than the last, so I do not believe we are even close to being out of the woods..
We recently spent a week in Southern California and didn’t see much evidence of a recession. The stores and malls were packed, the restaurants were packed and everybody was driving either a Lexus, Mercedes or a BMW. Perhaps all these people have money to spend because they aren’t paying their mortgages?
It is true there is a large number of very well off folks around here, but in general, most do not live in the big obvious mansions and do not drive the high end cars. When they do it is not uncommon for debt and credit to be a large part of what you see.
Where I live at least one high end car a week goes bye on a flatbed..
GH
We refer to that condition as working twice as hard for 75 percent of what you used to get. It is the new normal and you’d like to be able to adjust your budget to it, but it sure is hard.
“Home Ownership Looked Like A One-Way Bet”
Home ownership still looks like a one-way bet — just not in the direction that most people expected.
UPDATE 1-US home prices fall for 8th month in Feb -S&P/Case
Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:25am EDT
(Adds details, quote)
NEW YORK, April 26 (Reuters) - U.S. single-family home prices fell for an eighth straight month in February, inching closer to an April 2009 trough, a closely watched survey said on Tuesday.
The S&P/Case Shiller composite index of 20 metropolitan areas declined 0.2 percent in February from January on a seasonally adjusted basis, slightly better than economists’ median forecast for a drop of 0.3 percent.
The 20-city composite index was at 139.27, holding just a hair above its 2009 low of 139.26. Average home prices across the United States are back to levels where they were in the summer of 2003.
Prices in the 20 cities have fallen 3.3 percent year over year, in line with expectations.
“There is very little, if any, good news about housing. Prices continue to weaken, trends in sales and construction are disappointing,” David Blitzer, chairman of the Index Committee at S&P Indices, said in a statement.
“Recent data on existing-home sales, housing starts, foreclosure activity and employment confirm that we are still in a slow recovery.”
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I have to say that it is great to have the digest of all the newspaper articles back! It keeps the conversation a little more relevant.
Thanks Ben
Agree 110%. Less politics, more adult conversation.
I thought that the political conversations were fairly adult.
The political conversations that I’ve allowed myself to become involved in have been quite childish. With the exception of very few open minded individuals, yourself included, it becomes name calling and changing of the subject as opposed to rational discourse.
People have a hard time agreeing to disagree and are quite passionate. I get that. What I don’t get is when people refuse to accept a reliable source that differs from their opinion.
What I don’t get is when people refuse to accept a reliable source that differs from their opinion.
I suspect that there are no longer any sources that are considered universally reliable. If there ever were.
+1! I had really missed that part of this blog (and hearing about the various regions in this country and others).
I agree, over the last five years I have learned much from the articles summaries and the discussions surrounding them. That and the times where the members of the board have supported each other through hard times, major decisions and sharing useful experiences are the most valuable things to me.
I think I just lurked and read for three years or more before I ever posted, because I often only get to read at odd times when conversations aren’t happening.
Thanks to Ben and the regulars who provide the links in the Bits section.
“Perhaps there is something else at work here, a deeper shift in America’s attitude to home ownership. Dales believes there is hard evidence that Americans have fallen out of love with bricks and mortar. Historically Americans have not been as keen on home ownership as the British, he says. ‘In the boom, home ownership looked like a one-way bet – there was a greater incentive to get on the ladder. Now I think attitudes have changed.’”
This, IMHO, is one of the classic quotes on the HBB. Looks like the American Dream is getting a rewrite.
We’re also seeing attitude changes in areas like higher education. In a high unemployment economy that’s seeing kids graduate with heavy student debt, the value of the sheepskin is being questioned.
Likewise, car ownership. That doesn’t seem to have the cachet that it once did. Might just have *something* to do with the costs of buying and owning a car, eh?
I’ve always questioned the sheepskin and question it more now with skyrocketing tuition. It’s a terrible burden on young people to leave school in debt at all, let alone tens of thousands of dollars.
As I said, while “earning” my BA I learned to do a keg stand. Getting my MBA I learned about business. Couldn’t we just leave out the first part?
“Dales believes there is hard evidence that Americans have fallen out of love with bricks and mortar.”
Shouldn’t that read “2 by 4s’, sheetrock and siding”?
“Likewise, car ownership. That doesn’t seem to have the cachet that it once did. Might just have *something* to do with the costs of buying and owning a car, eh?”
I think that “owning” a car (as in it’s paid for) is very chic these days.
This is strictly anecdotal, but I’ve talked to an unusual number of people the past couple of weeks who have recently purchased homes here in the southern part of Hillsborough County, Tampa Bay area. Seven people. All different stories. A couple of new families that have relocated. A lady who just purchased several condos at like $19,000 to $25,000 a pop she’s planning to rent out. Military family. Couple of retirees making a permanent move to their final residence. And an older couple who unloaded one alligator at a loss to get out of a condo association and move to a free standing home.
It was messing with my head until I looked at Charles Hugh Smith’s chart again. And there you have it. The “this must be bottom” crowd. More pain ahead.
I suppose what disturbs me the most is what’s happening to this area, which was pretty sleepy when we moved here in 2000. The development and traffic turns my stomach. I am SOOOOO glad I’m a renter right now, I think we’ll see the real fun beging this summer. I’ll hang in here for another year, and then I’m outta this place. We have two massive NEW USDA subsidized developments, in addition to some of the smaller, more modest older ones. I’ve seen some of the residents and all I can say is, it must be sheer hell on earth.
And the tables have turned. As a renter, I’m now looked at with envy, or at least wistfulness. Whereas a few years ago, it was pity. Bwahahahaha! It’s fun to talk about the “great little place I just signed a lease on” and all the stuff that gets taken care of, etc., etc. Whoo-hoo! And the places I might move to, if I like it.
I’m seeing people now who hate their homes and can’t figure out how to get out from under. One is a friend who just HAD to purchase at close to the top of the market, no way was I going to talk them out of it, so I never even tried.
I know it’s mean, but my schadenfreude meter is pinned all the way over right about now. I can’t help it. Much of this area has been turned into a real sh*thole. Not to mention all those developments built on the swamps and coastal lowlands that were filled in. I can’t WAIT to hear it when the seepage gets to those residences, one of the dirty little secrets are the sinkholes opening up in some of those areas, cracking seawalls, saltwater intrusion, etc.
But hey, they got themselves a piece of the American Dream! Boo-yah!
I completely agree with you on this. I plan to keep renting as long as I can. I did have a friend who was thinking of buying at the top of the market, and I was able to talk him out of it. He’s eternally grateful, and more so now that he sees other people who bought only to go deep underwater and either eat the losses, short sale, or get foreclosed on.
it has implications for anyone who has stood before a judge and had only seconds to argue to try to keep his or her home….
Nice framing.
A Day in Court is not the same as a License to Whine. FB signed a mortgage, Bank shows up with title, refi was not guranteed, FB did not pay mortgage. By those rules, extracurricular sob stories like “But your honor, my agent said I could refinance later,” “The bank kept losing my HAMP paperwork,” are not going to stop the foreclosure. Unless the FB has concrete evidence of an improper foreclosure like a wrong address, missing title, canceled payment checks that weren’t recorded, fraudulently changing the mortgage after signature, or similar, then the FB is SOL.
This is going to be a massive lesson in Read Before You Sign. Or better yet, hire a real estate attorney to read before you sign.
While I agree in theory, you have to remember that most mortgages were chopped into little pieces and sold on the secondary market. The “banks” often can’t prove they have a right to collect the mortgage, let alone foreclose. We have laws in place designed to protect that bank renter…err…homeowner. The homeowner should be allowed consideration in court.
I think you read my post too fast. I mentioned title twice. I imagine that after the robosigning scandals and a few admonishments from the judge, banks now come to the rocket docket prepared.
“…banks now come to the rocket docket prepared.”
In fantasy land maybe. These judges have way too much on their plate to worry about details. Unrepresented homeowners are hung out to dry.
“In fantasy land maybe”
The modern version of “Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride” perhaps?