Something We Couldn’t Have Imagined 10 Years Ago
The Chicago Tribune reports from Illinois. “At best, Chicago-area home prices are bouncing along the bottom or getting less bad as the depreciation rate slows. At worst, they continue in a free fall. ‘I’m not seeing price increases but I am seeing stability on the lower end,’ said Gary Christensen, an agent in Elk Grove Village. ‘If the home is nice, it does move if the seller isn’t greedy,’ Christensen said. ‘If we can price it based on where the market is, we’re OK. If we have to price it because we need a (certain) number, those don’t move.’”
“In Homer Glen, Steve Brown is waiting for that one special buyer to emerge from his or her bunker. Brown tried to sell his custom-built home last fall, but the only offer he was received was for $370,000, more than $70,000 less than his listing price for the well-appointed home with its own private pond. Now he’s trying again, dropping the price by $6,000, to $436,500. ‘People are starting to inquire again,’ Brown said. ‘I know I can sell it easily if I reduce the price to $400,000. My gut reaction is we’ve hit bottom, but I’m not willing to give it away.’”
The Austin Daily Herald in Minnesota. “Brian Blecker of Blecker Realty said the housing market has been stable, but sales aren’t necessarily balanced. Sales of high end homes have been slow, while homes marked at $150,000 or less have been selling more, he noted. Blecker frequently works with foreclosed homes, and he said that market has remained steady. ‘We have our fair share of the foreclosures,’ Blecker said. ‘I’m a very busy person right now,’ he added.”
“Numbers comparing 2010 and 2011 don’t show the whole picture, according to Blecker, because the home buyer credit drove sales last spring. Despite positive showings this year, it may be difficult to truly compare 2011 and 2010. Real estate agent Joe Fuhrman described last year’s numbers as ‘artificial’ because of the home buyers’ credit, even though it did encourage sales.”
The Star Tribune in Minnesota. “With plenty of developable land and easy highway access 30 miles west of the Twin Cities, Otsego became one of the metro’s fastest-growing suburbs in the housing boom. It also became a hotbed for the froth and fraud that helped fuel the greatest housing downturn since the Great Depression. Now, word that one of the biggest developers in the country has bought 72 lots in a financially troubled development is raising hopes for a rebound.”
“‘The market has been slow to realize how quickly the [housing] market is actually improving,’ said Bill Burgess, Minnesota division president for Lennar Corp.”
“Up until the early 2000s, Otsego was a sleepy rural community dominated by family farms. But the town had the advantage of a location along Interstate 94 just west of Maple Grove, where development — and home prices — were skyrocketing as supplies of developable land dwindled. As development pushed farther beyond second-ring suburbs, developers pounced on Otsego, where land prices were still cheap.”
“But not for long. As developers and speculators stocked up on huge parcels of land, including big parcels that some planned to hold in inventory for the next decade, prices started to skyrocket. Then the housing market crashed, forcing several projects into foreclosure and leaving some developments looking more like ghost towns than the bucolic neighborhoods developers had envisioned.”
“One of the casualties of the downturn was Martin Farms, where Insignia Development had already built expensive infrastructure, including quiet cul-de-sacs and a pool and gazebo. The buyers never came, and all that remained were empty houses and undeveloped lots filled with weeds and weather-worn for sale signs.”
“Richard Palmiter, a vice president with CB Richard Ellis who handled the transaction and is marketing the remaining lots, isn’t declaring an all-out victory. There’s still plenty of inventory to burn through before there will be significant upward pressure on prices, especially in projects that are inferior in quality and amenities to Martin Farms. ‘In 2005 it tended to be the place where people wanted to be, and now we’re getting the sense that it is coming back,’ he said. ‘But it’s going to be a slow comeback.’”
The Journal Sentinel in Wisconsin. “Milwaukee property values have flattened out after two years of declines, but city officials say the echoes of recession and the shadow of foreclosures continue to stymie economic growth. Yet in the wake of the recession, homeowners appear to be more cautious about putting their houses and condominiums on the market, said Chief Assessor Peter Weissenfluh. Condos led the residential decline, falling 2.3% to $1.98 billion.”
“‘They still are selling, just a lot slower than they had been,’ Weissenfluh said. Would-be condo sellers are finding they have to lower their asking prices, keep their units on the market longer or rent out their condos, he and City Assessment Commissioner Mary Reavey said.”
“Overall, the city found just 1,800 arm’s-length real estate transactions last year, or 1.3% of the market, Reavey said. That’s down from 2,216 sales in 2009 and 3,015 the year before. In a normal year, 4% to 5% of city properties change hands, she said. By law, those figures exclude foreclosures, Reavey and Weissenfluh said.”
“Because foreclosures account for most if not all of the housing transactions in the central city, assessors personally inspected thousands of central-city properties, roughly doubling the number of inspections…Reavey said.”
The Wisconsin State Journal. “Existing home sales and median price continued to sink in Wisconsin in March, even as housing industry advocates continued to blame the lack of federal incentives for the year-over-year slump. Home sales were stimulated in the first half of last year at least in part by a federal tax credit that expired for most in June. That makes comparisons with this year’s sales through June suspect, according to John Horning, chairman of the WRA’s board of directors.”
“‘We expect to return to a more reliable apples-to-apples comparison around the fourth quarter of this year,’ Horning said in a statement , noting the statewide housing market has ‘fallen sharply’ in February and March.”
The Gazette Xtra in Wisconsin. “Jerry Morse did something in February that he hadn’t done since the 1970s. Morse assisted with the sale of a Janesville house for $19,000. ‘It needed some work, but it was probably worth $50,000,’ said Morse, an owner of The Morse Co. in Janesville and the president-elect of the Rock-Green Realtors Association. ‘Five years earlier, it sold for $82,000.’”
“While Morse’s experience might be uncharacteristic, it’s indicative of the state of the local housing market. A continued rash of short sales and foreclosures pushed the average sales price for residential properties in Rock County to $95,976 for the first three months of the year, according to the South Central Wisconsin Multiple Listing Service. That’s a 12 percent drop from the first quarter of 2010. And it’s the first quarterly dip below the $100,000 mark in several years.”
“‘The problem is that our shadow inventory is too high,’ Morse said. ‘These places are being sold for very low prices.’”
“He said he’s seeing pockets in the community where inventory is needed. ‘I’ve got a buyer who wants a three-bedroom ranch on the east side of Janesville,’ Morse said. ‘There are seven available, and he looked at all of them. There’s a need for nondistressed, move-in-ready homes in the $100,000 to $150,000 range. If you’ve got that, you’ll get a reasonable price. Not what you would have got four or five years ago, but a reasonable price in this market.’”
“Morse said the bottom line is that there are opportunities for both buyers and sellers. ‘Buyers can take advantage of lower prices and low interest rates,’ he said. ‘Sellers, if they need to make a move, might not get the price they want, but if they are going to be purchasing another home can save on the price of the new home and enjoy still low interest rates. Once the shadow inventory gets sold, buyers will probably face higher prices and higher interest rates, so the next 12 to 21 months will be the time to buy.’”
The Detroit Free Press in Michigan. “John Scribner is upset about his property tax assessment — it’s gone up. He wonders how can the majority of homes in Grosse Ile where he lives be assessed lower this year with the township’s overall home value dropping 8.6%, but his went up. Scribner bought his 2,600-square-foot home on Chatham in 2001 for $380,000. In 2009, it was assessed at $173,200. Then last year, his assessment dropped to $160,200. Now this year, it went up to $164,500. Assessments are roughly half the home’s market value.”
“Scribner says he’s suspicious. ‘I want my property taxes to reflect what my property is worth,’ Scribner said. ‘We’re being taxed unfairly because what they say these places are worth, they are not worth that.’”
The Dayton Daily News in Ohio. “The majority of residential and commercial property owners in Montgomery County will see their property values fall as part of a 2011 update, including some double digit declines. ‘This is something we couldn’t have imagined 10 years ago,’ County Auditor Karl Keith said. ‘It’s eating into home equity.’”
“Keith said overall valuation loss in the county could be as much as $3 billion.”
The Canton Rep in Ohio. “In November, Brock Bennington signed a contract for Regal Construction to build a condo unit for him at Meyers Lake. He wasn’t afraid of taking a 10 percent loss on the sale of his old condo. He wasn’t afraid the value of his new home could drop. And he was willing to forego the chance to buy an existing home at a substantial discount. All were worth risking to move into his dream home and away from his upstairs neighbor’s noisy 100-pound dog.”
“‘Every day my neighbor left, the thing went berserk across the ceiling,’ said Bennington, 29, who stomped his feet to demonstrate. ‘The money means nothing if you’re not happy, and I wasn’t happy.’”
“Three years after the housing market crashed, local home builders are hoping 2011 is the year they will be seeing more buyers like Bennington. ‘It’s been devastating the last four or five years actually,’ said Regal’s president, Bob Leach.”
“Leach said that in 2005 Regal was building about 70 homes a year that sold for $150,000 to $300,000. And it was easy to find a bank willing to provide financing to build 10 homes at a time. Then the market collapsed in 2008. ‘There’s a lot of builders that didn’t make it through,’ Leach said.”
“Building Industry Association of Stark County executive director Joe Race, said one stumbling block is that prospective new home buyers have problems selling their current homes. But, he noted, ‘whatever they stand to lose on a home sale on an existing home, they can make up on building a new home right now.’”
“Bennington was willing to take that loss. After buying a 1,500-square-foot condo at the Fountains at Meyers Lake in 2008 for $142,000, Bennington sold it in November for $128,000. He then signed papers to buy a 1,700-square-foot, two-bedroom Regal condo in the same neighborhood for about $170,000. This time, the home, which is in a two-unit building, would come with soundproof walls and other amenities.”
“Bennington is not perturbed that the value of his new home could drop. ‘I don’t treat my home as an investment. It’s an investment in myself.’”
“‘The problem is that our shadow inventory is too high,’ Morse said. ‘These places are being sold for very low prices.’”
Big problem, rarely highlighted by the MSM.
Gee, i love that ol’ saw………………not going to give it away.
How many times have we heard that??
“Now he’s trying again, dropping the price by $6,000, to $436,500. ‘People are starting to inquire again,’ Brown said. ‘I know I can sell it easily if I reduce the price to $400,000. My gut reaction is we’ve hit bottom, but I’m not willing to give it away.’”
So, let’s see…432,000/436,000 = 99%, a one-percent reduction. wow.
I wouldn’t use up gas in my car to go look at a house where they reduced the price 1%. He had a good offer and turned it down. amazing. simply amazing.
He had a good offer and turned it down. amazing. simply amazing.
In this market, I’ve heard that your first offer is your best offer. So, take that offer, sell the house, and move on with your life.
“I’m not willing to give it away” is probably the most annoying thing a person can say about a business transaction, in my opinion. $400,000 is not the same as zero. Neither is $370,000. The loss the seller takes is not the problem of the buyer.
I hear “I’m not going to give it away” on all sorts of transactions, not just houses. Used cars, motorcycles, you name it. Any big ticket item will be rife with these types. It’s why I will not even so much as look at a private party used vehicle which is priced like it’s from a dealer. Those people are a waste of time.
Well said, loose moose. We hear the “not going to give it away” line all the time. I’ve asked them, “since when is half a million dollars worth zero?” (on a $500K offer on a house listed for $650K, for example)
People out there are crazy. The sellers think they are entitled to huge sums of money, but they aren’t the ones who have to work for and save that money.
” “The majority of residential and commercial property owners in Montgomery County will see their property values fall as part of a 2011 update, including some double digit declines.”
There are 2 “Daytons” - one is the old, heavy industry city (and NCR recently moved its HQ out of state) Lot’s of ties to GM and the auto industry. The other is the neighboring county with Wright-Patterson airforce base.
So it’s the old, heavy industry side of the area that’s falling. The government-based side is holding up.
In Ohio, local governments and schools can’t raise the tax millage rate without voters approving it, so a drop in tax valuation automatically results in a drop in taxes paid by the home-owner.
Oh, and the article is not entirely correct. Residential property is re-appraised for tax valuation every 3 years, Commercial every 6 years (I think that’s the cycle). I bought my house 4 years ago and just underwent my 2nd reduction in property taxes.
The Chicago article is the one I talked about Sunday. Namely, that it was posted in the business section, not the real estate section of the Tribune. Can’t tick off whatever advertisers remain.
The one in which Core Logic says that things here are off to a very ominious start in 2011?
“In Homer Glen, Steve Brown is waiting for that one special buyer to emerge from his or her bunker.
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My gut reaction is we’ve hit bottom, but I’m not willing to give it away.’”
Steve is waiting for a rich stupid person to come along and pay him his wishing price. Not going to happen. Today’s “but I’m not willing to give it away” price may be tomorrow’s “wish I had sold it then” price…
“My gut reaction is we’ve hit bottom, but I’m not willing to give it away.”
My gut reaction is that the serial bottom callers have several more years of serial bottom calling ahead of them before anything close to a bottom is actually achieved. However, it is worth watching the effect of inflation on relative prices of housing versus other stuff; for instance, it might be possible for nominal housing prices to stay put, while the price of everything else goes up, up, up. This would imply that real housing prices were continuing to fall, even after nominal prices reached a nadir.
…for instance, it might be possible for nominal housing prices to stay put, while the price of everything else goes up, up, up.
This is what I think will happen. It’s why the only “inflation” that matters, where housing is concerned, is **wage** inflation. Of course, a lower dollar DOES make buying US real estate seem like a good idea if one is holding other currencies, and can buy US-based assets for a low price — as a result of the currency depreciation.
The Detroit Free Press in Michigan. “John Scribner is upset about his property tax assessment — it’s gone up. He wonders how can the majority of homes in Grosse Ile where he lives be assessed lower this year with the township’s overall home value dropping 8.6%, but his went up.
“Scribner says he’s suspicious. ‘I want my property taxes to reflect what my property is worth,’ Scribner said. ‘We’re being taxed unfairly because what they say these places are worth, they are not worth that.’”
Because insane public union salaries/benefits/pensions NEVER go down. And that is where 80% of your property taxes go. Retired 50 year old public union goons at 90% pensions (spiked, of course) everywhere thank you for your “investments”…
Retired 50 year old public union goons at 90% pensions (spiked, of course)
Hey,“TrueAngerAdvocate™” define: “Now-I’m-jealous-and-really-pissed-off-because-”they”-have-it-&-I don’t”
I find his suspicions and his surprise suspect. Where were houseowners like Mr. Scribner during the boom when the local pols they elected (and more often than not re-elected) went bonkers over the boom induced revenue projections?
Sure there’s a pinch, but it’s hardly a surprise and its gensis is hardly a secret. His options are to vote at the ballot box or with his feet - bothering the assessor’s office is waste of time.
His options are to vote at the ballot box or with his feet - bothering the assessor’s office is waste of time.
vote at the ballot box - and take your pick of well funded (with your own taxpayer money) union goon candidates that will deliver the goods to their union goon brothers.
his feet - yeah, why fight it? After all, it is just your home. Maybe in your family for generations. Maybe these people can move to states that have some control over public unions.
Insane property taxes (to pay insane public unions) will eat homeowners alive. It will also drive down property values further as new buyers do the “calculation” of what their monthly nut really is. And many times, property taxes are MORE than P/I.
Comment by 2banana
2011-04-26 11:47:00
Because insane public union salaries/benefits/pensions NEVER go down.
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Now, 2banana, your opinions are just as fine as the next person’s, but this statement is a flat-out lie. Unions have been making concessions in pay and benefits for YEARS.
And why do you never rail against Wall Street goons that have caused the drop in pension investments?
Or against short-sighted politicians who conveniently decided that public pensions were over-funded in boom times?
“And why do you never rail against Wall Street goons that have caused the drop in pension investments?
Or against short-sighted politicians who conveniently decided that public pensions were over-funded in boom times?”
These questions are directed at 2banana, not CA Renter. Sorry if there was any confusion.
but the only offer he was received was for $370,000, more than $70,000 less than his listing price
I would say: “but the only offer he was received was for $370,000, $70,000 less than his listing price”
“more than $70,000 less” what is this a logic test?
okay then how about
“less than $70,000 more”
“‘The market has been slow to realize how quickly the [housing] market is actually improving,’ said Bill Burgess, Minnesota division president for Lennar Corp.”
Like Dave Barry always sez, you can’t make this stuff up.
Sometimes the stupid flows like water…