April 28, 2011

Every Foreclosed Family Is Unhappy After Its Own Fashion

The Sea Coast Online reports from Maine. “In the five years following 2001, Las Vegas was one of the country’s biggest boom towns. Housing values soared. Banks lent to anyone with a pulse. Fraud was endemic. Buyers deluded themselves about how the market would perform. Then in 2006 the bubble burst. York has seen housing prices decline in recent years, too. Between 2007 and 2010 the average price of homes sold in York dropped from $606,396 to $482,580.”

“To learn more about the local housing market, I contacted Greg Gosselin of the Gosselin Realty Group. He told me that between 2005 and 2009, the median price of single family homes in Maine decreased 14 percent, but in York County it dropped by 22 percent. In the town of York, by contrast, the price drop averaged just 8 percent though this number is distorted by the sale of a single $4.8 million home in 2009.”

“This does not mean, however, that everyone in York escaped the collapse of the housing bubble. The fact that homes in York are being foreclosed on tells you that people are suffering. Gosselin identified 17 houses in town currently in the foreclosure process. ‘That’s not the full list either,’ he noted, ‘because here as everywhere there is a shadow inventory of homes that have been abandoned.’”

“One home we visited in Cape Neddick has been abandoned for two years; vandalism and crime are real threats. The owners obviously left in a hurry as television sets and appliances, magazines and files, games and toys lay about as though the owner might soon return. Built in 1985, this house has an assessed value of nearly $450,000 and yet it sits empty.”

“How do foreclosures happen? Three months of skipped mortgage payments, unanticipated medical expenses that force people into bankruptcy, loss of income because of layoffs or business failures. To paraphrase Tolstoy: every foreclosed family is unhappy after its own fashion.”

Crain’s New York Business. “It will take more than a decade to clear up all the shadow inventory in the residential real estate market in New York state, according to new report released by Standard & Poor’s Ratings Services. That is more than three times longer than it will take the rest of the nation, a difference that the report largely attributes to the greater time it takes to foreclose on a property in New York.”

“‘The good news is delinquencies aren’t noticeably higher and the frequency of loans defaulting is lower than other states,’ said Diane Westerback, a managing director at Standard & Poor’s. ‘The bad news is once these loans fall into delinquency, they are hardly moving.’”

“According to the report, shadow inventory in Brooklyn will take the longest to unwind at more than 17 years. Bronx was close behind at 16.5 years, and Staten Island recorded 12 years. Manhattan fared the best, coming in at a little more than eight years.”

The Record in New Jersey. “Home prices dropped 3.1 percent from February 2010 to February 2011 in the New York metropolitan area, which includes North Jersey, the Standard & Poor’s Case-Shiller index reported. The median prices of a single-family home rose 1 percent in Bergen County, to $425,000, from February 2010 to February 2011. The number of sales rose 15.3 percent in that period. In Passaic County, prices declined 16.5 percent, to a median $225,194, while the number of sales declined 6.5 percent.”

“These numbers come from the N.J. and Garden State multiple listing services; Case-Shiller does not break out price data by county. The MLS numbers reflect the mix of properties sold in a given month and are affected by the number of higher- or lower-price homes sold. Case-Shiller is considered a more reliable number because it tracks the value of the same properties over time.”

“‘Prices in the New York metropolitan region are nearing 2003 levels, with no sign of stabilizing. It appears that last year’s tax credits provided a temporary – very temporary – respite from a downtrend that still has some distance to go,’ said Patrick O’Keefe, economist, J.H. Cohn, Roseland.”

“In another sign of the real estate slowdown, eight Rochelle Park condos once priced above $500,000 are to be auctioned next month with minimum bids of $125,000. The sale is the latest in a string of North Jersey auctions. ‘Like a lot of properties, it’s a victim of circumstance,’ said auctioneer Max Spann Jr. of the complex.”

“Construction on the 80-unit building started several years ago, when the housing market was booming. But as the market faltered, sales slowed. At the same time, builder Town & Country Developers of Woodcliff Lake ran into serious problems on several other projects.”

“Nationally, $17.1 billion worth of real estate was auctioned in 2008, up 48 percent from 2003, according to the National Auctioneers Association. This does not include sheriff’s auctions due to foreclosure.”

The Worchester Business Journal in Massachusetts. “It’s been easy in recent months for state officials to claim that the Bay State’s economy is on the upswing and well on its way to a full recovery. The foreclosure mess that has weighed the economy down for more than three years may not be over, according to the region’s bankers and real estate experts.”

“Much like it is in other areas of the economy, the job market still isn’t good enough to ensure that homeowners can’t fall into unemployment and eventually lose their homes. The problem is especially prominent in the Fitchburg-Leominster area, where unemployment lingers around 12 percent while the state’s overall rate is below 9 percent.”

“‘I do not think it’s over,’ said Martin Connors, president of Rollstone Bank and Trust in Fitchburg. ‘Unemployment nationally is close to 10 percent, and unemployment in Fitchburg-Leominster is close to 12 percent, and in a lot of the foreclosures we’ve been involved with, the common theme is job loss.’”

“Rollstone’s $325-million retail loan portfolio is about 64 percent residential loans. ‘It’s hard to think that it’s over when the economy is the way it is,’ Connors said.”

“Vincent Valvo, group publisher at The Warren Group, said foreclosure petitions slowed down in the middle of 2010. ‘It hasn’t been a situation where fewer people are being foreclosed upon, it’s a situation where the technicalities are slowing down the process dramatically,’ he said.”

“A moratorium on foreclosures by national banks because of lawsuits concerning faulty paperwork slowed down the rate of foreclosures. But Valvo argues that that could actually be a bad thing. ‘Anybody who has had a three-day cold or looked over at their co-worker that has been sniffling for months can appreciate the notion that you want bad things to pass quickly,’ Valvo said.”

The New England Business Bulletin. “Single-family homes sales in Massachusetts dropped 15.7 percent last month, marking the lowest number of sales for the month of February since The Warren Group began tracking data in 1987. ‘The local housing market has hit a bump in the road,’ said Timothy M. Warren Jr., CEO of The Warren Group. ‘Sales dropped sharply in February and we could see that pattern continue through the spring months ahead. Because of the severe winter weather that kept home shopping to a minimum, the market has been slow to heat up. To make matters worse, in the second quarter, we will be comparing sales to the height of the homebuyer tax credit. We had booming sales last year so the comparison will be tough to beat.’”

“The median price for a single-family home also dropped to $255,000 from $270,000 in February 2010. The year-to-date median home price is down more than 6 percent — dropping to $263,000 from $280,000 last year.”

The Daily Item in Massachusetts. “Claiming attorney David Zak did little to keep them away from foreclosure and charged them $4,500 for his services, Emilio Jimenez and his wife Dominica Mendez joined other foreclosure protesters in demonstrating outside Zak’s Revere office. The protest is not the only pressure Zak’s law firm and loan modification service is facing. A civil complaint filed by the state Attorney General’s office in Suffolk Superior Court states Zak ‘misled over 1,000 homeowners’ since February 2009 by promising them legal assistance and mortgage loan modification help.”

“Zak, the complaint states, ’sought to capitalize on the foreclosure and economic crisis and to prey upon Latino homeowners who are facing the imminent loss of their homes.’ Zak said he specializes in defending clients against foreclosure and offers loan modification services. ‘We have helped reduce mortgage payments by 35 percent to 50 percent for a minimum of 350 Massachusetts residents,’ he said.”

“Emilio Jimenez said he did not even have a chance to pay the first of three trial mortgage modification payments in March by Zak before the company holding the mortgage on his home filed a foreclosure notice.”

“Jimenez, speaking through translator Cristino Acosta, acknowledged he had not paid his mortgage on the house since August 2009 after his wife lost her job. But he said he stopped payments only after a previous trial modification arranged with loan holder PHH Mortgage Corporation did not result in a permanent reduction in his $1,590 a month mortgage.”

“‘We thought we were going on a five-year plan where, from the fifth year on, we would receive a permanently reduced payment,’ he said.”

“Jimenez went ahead and on March 28 made the first of three payments on the modified loan. Then he turned to Lynn United for Change, a local organization aiding people facing foreclosure, for help. United arranged to have foreclosure proceedings against Jimenez delayed while he pays his modified loan. In the meantime, the group is taking aim at Zak.”

“Without specifically naming United, Zak said non-profit organizations are working with federal agencies to counsel homeowners on mortgage modifications at the taxpayers’ expense. ‘What happens is banks know these agencies are ineffective because they don’t have attorneys who can file lawsuits,’ he said.”

“But Emilio Jimenez said his $4,500 payment to Zak got him little, if any, protection against foreclosure. ‘Even putting food on the table was difficult… but still he took $4,500 to save our house,’ Jimenez said.”




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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-04-28 05:03:12

“The bad news is once these loans fall into delinquency, they are hardly moving.” ….because they refuse to lower the price until they find price points supported by fundamentals. You kind of get the feeling they don’t really want to know.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-04-28 07:38:24

Right. One thing about NYC is there is LOTS of demand for housing at far higher prices than elsewhere. Just not high enough for everyone to get their peak of the bubble money back.

Drop the price, and the inventory clears in one month.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-04-28 09:54:01

Drop the price, and the inventory clears in one month.

But that would mean that our oh-so-special housing would be reduced for quick sale like towels at Target. And we can’t have that!

 
Comment by GH
2011-04-28 10:20:13

While market forces must eventually prevail, I do believe that allowing prices to substantially drop would result in a lot more foreclosures as folks realize they are never getting out from under the mess they made by overpaying for a home.

We need to lose the idea of a home as an investment. This mindset is firmly behind a lot of the problems we have today.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-04-28 10:42:17

We need to lose the idea of a home as an investment. This mindset is firmly behind a lot of the problems we have today.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-04-28 14:53:36

I suppose when you also consider that a lot of people used it as an investment to fund their retirement you then realize where the stubbornness comes in. It’s not like they’re gonna get a mulligan on that one.

 
 
Comment by SaladSD
2011-04-28 11:51:55

when did this idea of funding retirement through your home first come into vogue?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-04-28 11:57:58

I think it coincided with the shift from defined benefit pension plans to “Lookie! Now you’re an Investor! (Good luck, chump.)” 401k plans.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-04-28 12:04:03

when did this idea of funding retirement through your home first come into vogue?

Actually, right about time pensions, unions and good jobs were gutted for the benefit of a few.

 
Comment by melug
2011-04-28 12:13:32

Could there be a connection between the retirement funding mentality and the advent of reverse mortgages?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-04-28 05:08:47

“Between 2007 and 2010 the average price of homes sold in York dropped from $606,396 to $482,580.”

$482k for a house in ME is laughable. Truly laughable in the same way $500k houses with no utilities for miles around in Canada.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-04-28 05:15:55

Yeah, I’d like to know more about that market if anyone has info. The 482 is down from 600! and the bank is sitting on a house at 450? Don’t forget: ‘the sale of a single $4.8 million home in 2009′

And how about that 10 year shadow inventory in NYC?

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-04-28 05:25:16

Well expect someone to say how different ME is. Back in 07 we had a Realt-Liar posing as a blog reader telling us how ME is different yet since then according the above article, prices fell 25% from grossly overpriced to absurdly overpriced.

The NYC shadow inventory was reported back a few months ago yet it never seems to get airplay on Main Street.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-04-28 05:33:34

‘York is a town in York County, Maine, United States at the southwest corner of the state. The population in the 2000 census was 12,854. Situated beside the Atlantic Ocean on the Gulf of Maine, York is a well-known summer resort. It is home to three 18-hole golf clubs, three sandy beaches, and Mount Agamenticus. It includes the villages of York Village, York Harbor, York Beach and Cape Neddick.’

‘York is part of the Portland–South Portland–Biddeford, Maine metropolitan statistical area…During summer months, tourists (chiefly families) throng Short Sands Beach, which is in the district of York Beach itself, as well as Long Sands Beach, the town’s longest with more than a mile of sand stretching between York Beach and York Harbor. Dozens of five star hotels and other accommodations operate in the York Beach area, although most close after summer.’

‘York has the highest home values in Maine, followed by Cape Elizabeth, a suburb of Portland. York County has the highest real estate values in the state.’

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/York,_Maine

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-04-28 05:42:25

Yes it’s a part time residency/tourist trap for Bostonites and Hartord chumps pretending to be rich. The foundries are gone, the machine shops are gone, the shipyards are gone.

The last place I want to go have summer time fun is Portland to swim in the icy waters of the Atlantic.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2011-04-28 06:49:51

I was going to say something like that. While this blog was on hiatus I visited Maine for the first time ever. While I didn’t stop in Portland, I didn’t see many organic sources of wealth, and nothing I saw anywhere would support housing prices at that level unless the buyers were from somewhere else. I drove through the center of Augusta and it felt like a place that was long gone.

I’ve often said this when referring to Asheville, N.C., but I suspect local people are unhappy and embittered when they can’t afford to live in the places where they grew up.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-04-28 07:02:19

Keen observations you made on your way through ME.

Regarding your point on locals and natives… either you stay and attempt to eek out a living in a post industrial economy or you leave for better opportunity elsewhere. I think both sides are embittered. Those who left can’t afford to maintain the lifestyle they want back home(no good jobs) and those that stayed realized they should have left(no good jobs). It’s a no win situation in cold, grey, post-industrial new england.

 
Comment by polly
2011-04-28 13:20:22

The wealth of Maine was in fishing/whaling and timber. A long time ago, I imagine it was also in the fur trade. They are on the wrong coast for timber to be a big deal these days. Besides, Maine timber was more for paper than building/furniture.

Tourism isn’t enough.

 
 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2011-04-28 10:42:40

“I suspect local people are unhappy and embittered when they can’t afford to live in the places where they grew up.”

Unfortunately, this is happening in Boone and Watauga County, NC also.

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Comment by 2banana
2011-04-28 07:26:16

Sleepy, out of the way lovely Maine with mooses and maple syrup and great hiking and huge forests…

Has…

The second highest tax burden of all the states according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, Census Bureau and Tax Foundation.

Who’s first? Vermont, with an overall burden of 14.1%. Maine comes in second at 14.0%. New York is third with 13.8%.

Figure that - New York is a low tax state compared to Maine. That should TELL you something.

And there is nothing in the way of industry anymore in Maine and nearly all the shipyards have closed. Lumber is way down too.

They try to make it off the tourists. It is a pretty nice place to visit in summer - but the water is really cold, even in the middle of a hot summer.

Every year it seems to get a little worse. All the children I know who grew up in Maine move as quickly as they can out of the state. They come back in the summers for two weeks.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-04-28 15:19:25

Also Ben. My grandmother’s house 1/2 a mile walk to the beach sold 2 years ago for $700k. Can you believe it? Actually it wasn’t even a swimming beach. It was 1/2 a mile to the fishing harbor. That’s NH.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-04-28 05:31:45

“$482k for a house in ME is laughable.”

My thought as well. The median HH income is 46K. So 10 X is still the rule of thumb there.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-04-28 15:15:44

I grew up in Portsmouth, NH and am familiar w/a lot of towns up and down the coast southern ME to MA. I never thought of York as a mover and shaker location. While Kennebunkport (the Bush family compound), Wells and Ogunquit were chock full of tourists and K and O the monied type, Nubble Light was really the only big draw to go to York. People didn’t invest in that particular town till quite late in game and so much of it’s inventory remained ramshackle as you moved away from the beach itself. I think the thing to remember about ME is much of what your find on the the seacoast is old money and I do mean Old Money. I remember looking at prices in Pemaquid Point in 1993. There were $500k to $1mil homes up there. (Google where that is, you’ll be stunned)

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-04-28 16:02:01

A house we rented up there was owned by a neurologist in Weston, MA where he and his wife (who was reportedly the real wealthy one) owned a very large multi-acre estate. At the time, Weston was the most expensive location in MA.

I don’t really undestand why so many people on this board are commenting like all those seacoast homes are primary residences.

 
 
 
Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-28 06:25:05

I’m not unhappy about my foreclosure. I used to be embarrassed and even a bit depressed about it, especially my down payment money, but now I’m quite pleased. I’m no longer tied to my house. I can move when and where I want to. You can say a lot of things about foreclosure, but me being unhappy…nope.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-04-28 09:58:08

You’re not the only one, Bad Andy.

I have a friend who sold her house last year. Place was a real money pit, her son had grown up and moved out, and she wasn’t exactly welcomed by the neighbors.

It was one of those nabes where you’d better be married with kids, or else you’ll be ostracized. My friend is a single parent.

Any-hoo, she went to CA and lived by the seaside for a while. In an apartment. She recently came back here and was renting a room in a house. Turns out that one of her roommates was a real nutjob, so my friend picked up and left.

There is something to be said for having mobility.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-04-28 15:30:59

Just talking w/a friend today in a southern state that said her neighbor stopped paying 4 mos ago. They’re working on a short sale. $100k loss. Their plan is to go rent in another town closer to the city.

My friend herself wants to ditch her 2 year old house. But that’s because she’s been hiding out in her bath tub since Sunday and wants to come back home. A corporate relo just may come to their rescue.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2011-04-28 06:50:43

This is another update, this week in my zip 95050-95054….I don’t quite know whats going on but inventory is starting to spike in just the last couple of weeks…Not sure if its the combination of slower sales & more new listings but it is very pronounced…I will continue to monitor…

Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-28 06:55:42

I’ve noticed this here as well. In my neighborhood it’s almost as if they wait to get a few units moved and then put a glut on the market. More disturbing is the majority of units are Fannie Mae owned.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-04-28 07:13:21

“Jimenez, speaking through translator Cristino Acosta, acknowledged he had not paid his mortgage on the house since August 2009 after his wife lost her job. But he said he stopped payments only after a previous trial modification arranged with loan holder PHH Mortgage Corporation did not result in a permanent reduction in his $1,590 a month mortgage.”

So much is wrong in the above paragraph…

But Cristino Acosta is a VICTIM - don’t cha know.

Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-28 08:22:34

They tried to hit me with a trail modification too. Once you get through the mountain of paperwork they tell you that it’s not permanent and you’re going to be hit with a huge balloon payment at the end. If you can’t afford it now, how can you afford it in 3 months? It tells me the banks are trying to squeeze another couple of thousand from the borrower before the inevitable.

Comment by 2banana
2011-04-28 08:33:56

It tells me the banks are trying to squeeze another couple of thousand from the borrower before the inevitable.

EXACTLY. And our own government is backing this and pushing it on its citzens…

There is no “saving your house for nothing” programs out there. There is only “how much more can we squeeze out of you before you finally walk away” prorgams…

Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-28 09:45:06

My experience destroyed what little faith I had in the “system.” I tried to cut a deal, I tried to willingly hand over my keys, I tried a short sale. In the end I walked away.

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Comment by oxide
2011-04-28 12:33:39

Well technically Jiminex is the victim, Acosta is the translator. Just that the FB needs a translator is telling.

Is anyone else noticing a preponderence of news stories of the FB blaming the bank for not getting a refi? That mindset of “you can always refinance later” ran pretty deep, deep enough that people literally bet the house on it.

The article yesterday about the Rocket Docket, where you have “only seconds” to save your home in front of a judge, was stuffed full of that mindset. The ACLU argued that what with lost paperwork and HAMP and baloons, things were so complicated. But once you realize that you are not guaranteed a refi, things simplify fast.

Comment by Bad Andy
2011-04-28 12:52:50

I never anticipated a large loss in income as my industry historically has been steady. A refi never entered my mind, probably because I bought at the end of all of the madness.

I did fall victim to the bank’s offers of “help.” If they did indeed cut my payment as promised, even without a principal reduction, I would have continued paying. No one ever wants to be in a position of not being able to pay.

 
 
 
Comment by Montana
2011-04-28 10:01:14

A step is visiting from socal, who is doing well as an busy MD and med teacher there and he keeps wondering if he should buy a house. Naturally I encouraged him to stay footloose - he admits his rent *on the beach* is 1/3 what a condo payment would be! and he mentioned colleagues who bought recently and discovered they were instantly underwater. Still, he wonders if he should jump in - sheesh, he’s not even married or anything. And he’s thinking about taking a another job 50 miles away. And like lots of busy professionals he keeps saying he hasn’t really kept up on the market, doesn’t know how it’s really going because he’s so busy.

Scary, I tall ya.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-04-28 12:58:06

My best friend/best man is a brainiac of global proportions (anyone in cancer research would know his name instantly) recently asked me if we were at the bottom and if it was time to buy yet…… good God…. A brilliant brilliant man without a clue.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-04-28 13:45:54

There are many brilliant people who pay no attention to the world at large. It may be why they are brilliant at what they do.

 
Comment by wolfgirl
2011-04-28 13:46:19

At least he is asking since it is obviously not a subject he knows. And he isn’t accepting the lies in the news. He knows that he doesn’t know.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-04-28 15:40:58

We keep running into instances where older MDs are buying homes for their kids. One just bought one for his med student son next to the university. Or foreign parents buy homes for their med student kids going to school at SU. At least that particular location is not that expensive.

 
 
Comment by Otto
2011-04-28 15:36:37

I arrived at this site in 2004. I thought I was the only sane person and everyone else was mad. Trouble is, I know that is often the first sign of madness.
In the fall of 2005 I noticed the the number of houses for sale suddenly started spiking. That for me confirmed that we were indeed in the midst of a “housing bubble”.
I sold the houses I had and started renting.
I live just north of San Francisco, and I have to say these past 5 or so years have been quite frustrating as prices have not dropped to levels I would consider “fair value”. Prices are only down by about 30%.
I have been closely monitoring the area I am interested in and during these last 5 years the number of houses on the market have numbered between 10 and 20. In fact 2 weeks ago that number stood at 16.
Today the number stands at 66. I’ve got that deja vu feeling from 2005 again. And let me tell you it is an incredibly pleasant sort of disposition.
Has anyone out there noticed something similar in neighborhoods they follow?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-04-28 16:02:24

I noticed the same upsurge in houses for sale during the summer of 2005. While the inventory here in Tucson is still high, I don’t recall a sudden surge from last fall’s levels.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-04-28 20:19:06

Perhaps it is a sign of true insanity to be so confident, but I never seriously doubted that we were in a real estate bubble that would end in tears, even when much more knowledgeable, reputable individuals in my circle disagreed with me. Now that I know I was right, I avoid broaching the subject entirely.

 
 
Comment by Amy P
2011-04-28 16:31:55

I have a good one for you guys. I’m in central Texas in a non-glamorous city. One of my favorite neighborhoods is near downtown and has a lot of early 20th century housing stock, mostly beautifully maintained. Prices hover around $100 per square foot there ($50 is more standard elsewhere in the city). The current situation in this neighborhood is that there are a bunch of houses for sale for $180k-$205k, several more in the mid and high 200s, several houses in the 400s and one optimistically priced house at $830k. There’s one 4800 square foot home in a pretty good location that has dropped from $380k to $350k to $320k to $290k. This morning when I did my daily look at realtor.com, the house had suddenly plummeted $40k to $250k. I’m actually a bit shocked. Between this and the foreclosure (2700 sq. ft. and $205k) a couple of blocks away things are finally starting to move. It’s taken so long.

What we’d like is something between 1800 and 2500 square feet, in a solid neighborhood, a short commute for my husband, and as far under $200k as we can get while still getting the other stuff.

 
Comment by Crusader
2011-04-28 17:03:54

Maine is very desirable so 10x income is the norm. Arizona is undesirable, so 2-3x income is the norm there. Who really wants to live in the Sonoran Desert?

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-04-28 18:25:33

Yes because everyone is moving there considering Maine has the land mass of South Carolina and the population count that of NewHampshire.

People Are Smart

 
 
Comment by Dasher
2011-04-28 18:05:17

So is Prime Santa Monica and mid-tier Samo in a riverbed or about to fall off the cliff for another 15-20%? From what I can see, starters in sunset park are still $800K - $1.2M for even 1500SF. Still at $500-800/SF. Thoughts?

 
Comment by traderjack
2011-04-28 18:07:02

I think the bottom will occur when the median price is 3 times the median income of the area, and the un employment rate is less than 5%!

Which, of course, means that the bottom has a long ways to go in almost all areas.

Won’t be much fun for realtors that don’t sell foreclosures.

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Comment by oxide
2011-04-29 04:31:50

I agree, Jack. I don’t think we’ll ever return to that point, not with globalization. But not only do i want prices to be 3x income, i want them to be consisently three times income, lots of selection, to where I don’t feel hurried to buy or forced into one particular house. Where I live, three times income is generally a fixer upper or a one-off foreclosure.

 
 
Comment by PNC
2011-04-29 07:57:35

There probably isn’t anyplace in America where coastal properties are 3X income. You can’t even find that on inland lakes in Maine, nevertheless oceanside. Of course, they are not owned by locals.

 
Comment by Rich Cederberg
2011-04-29 21:17:54

Real estate is an investment. One that comes with risk and should be considered a long term investment. No more buy today sell tomorrow. The market just won’t support that kind of thing. Probably never should have.

 
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