Belief And Trust In Extraordinary Things
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “2006 was a bad year for Josie Kay. Receipts at her bar dropped 50 percent, and last year, she lost the business and declared bankruptcy. Kay and her husband had built their house and lived there for 13 years. They didn’t want to lose that, too. She had heard about home loan modifications, such as the federal Home Affordable Modification Plan, and wondered if something like that might work for her. So she called her bank. And like an untold number of Americans, Kay was informed that to qualify for HAMP, she would need to be two months behind in her mortgage payments.”
“She had never missed a payment before, she says. It was a revelation. ‘What a thing to tell somebody who’s already sinking: ‘Don’t pay your mortgage for two months,’ she says. ‘You love it! You go for it!’”
“In hindsight, she wishes she’d never made that call. She has nothing in writing saying that her house is safe, and fears that any day, the sheriff will arrive with an eviction notice. That the ax will drop. Like it did on her son. In a perverse coincidence, Kay’s son, who had owned his home for five years, applied for a HAMP modification a month before she did. And like Kay, he went two months behind on payments and was rejected, then caught up only to have the bank foreclose.”
“The weekend before Easter, Kay helped him move his stuff into storage. ‘I am not a stupid person, but they took me,’ Kay says. ‘You are hoping beyond hope that a bank is going to do something good for you — because Obama made them. Now I understand why the old-timers hid their money. They didn’t trust the banks.’”
“The first statewide report on the Supreme Court’s foreclosure mediation program is out, and at least one South Florida judge says the program is neither helping homeowners nor clearing caseloads. ‘A lot of these folks are in foreclosure because they don’t have the incomes they had once upon a time, or the mortgage changed over time and they are realizing they just can’t afford it,’ said Tom Genung, courts administrator for the 19th circuit, which includes Martin and St. Lucie counties. ‘If they are seeing that it doesn’t make dollar sense to stay in the home, who can really argue with that?’”
“The Koutoubia mosque in Marrakesh takes its name from the sellers of manuscripts who once plied their trade in the shadow of its ancient walls. This iconic symbol of the former imperial capital prompted a Lebanese friend who has known the city for more than a quarter of a century to share his thoughts on more recent Moroccan history. ‘We too have had our Irish property bubble,’ my friend informed me. ‘This travesty is the result. And furthermore, in the ancient medina, there are now 300 riads for sale. These traditional houses were titivated by foreigners and now they want to abandon them because the property bubble has burst.’”
“A new report, written by former Finnish senior government official, Peter Nyberg, says reckless lending by bankers who were unchecked by regulators and politicians along with the national mania for property are all to blame for Ireland’s banking collapse. ‘As in most manias, those caught up in it could believe and have trust in extraordinary things, such as unlimited real wealth from selling property to each other on credit,’ said the 172-page report, published on Tuesday.”
“‘It appears now, with hindsight, to be almost unbelievable that intelligent professionals in the banking sector appear not to have been aware of the size of the risk they were taking. In order for a systemic crisis to happen, you will need a very large part of society to take part, not understand the risks or stay quiet,’ Nyberg, a former director general for financial services at the Finnish Ministry of Finance, told a news conference.”
“Speaking at a press briefing, Nyberg said banking boards, politicians, former regulators and external auditors had not realized the risks of concentrated lending. He said the blame for Ireland’s banking implosion is to be shared among thousands of people. He explained that this is the reason he did not name names in the report.”
“In his first-ever press conference after a monetary-policy meeting on Wednesday, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is expected to address his agency’s efforts to keep pumping a fortune into the U.S. economy, at least through June. You probably won’t hear him say, ‘Enough, already.’ That’s too bad, because America can’t keep robbing from the future to prop up the present. Anyway, it’s not working.”
“For proof, look at the housing market. After the previous economic downturn a decade ago, the Fed stepped in and kept the easy money flowing way too long. That helped create the residential real-estate bubble, which nearly took down the banking system when it popped.”
“During the boom years, houses were a dream investment. Prices only went up, and millions cashed in on those temporary gains. That game is over. There’s only one good way to establish prices and put buyers and sellers back together again: Let the market do its job. Every day, it seems, the government unspools more red tape aimed at the housing and banking sectors, not to mention all the misguided stimulus. It’s a huge distraction. The less interference from government, the quicker residential real-estate will begin to make the lasting comeback we all want to see.”
“If you live in Florida, ground zero for robo-signing and the nation’s fourth-highest foreclosure rate, you see the effects of collapse daily. If you’re in midtown Manhattan, where expense account restaurants are bulging, it’s more ‘crisis, what crisis?’ That’s why U.S. banking regulator Shelia Blair got attention when she told the group a meltdown could happen again.”
“‘I am not going to stand before you and claim that the inherent instability of financial markets can be regulated out of existence,’ said Bair, who runs the Federal Deposit Insurance Fund. Blair then went on to say that Dodd-Frank financial reform legislation could be used to mitigate the worst effects of another financial shock.”
“Two other U.S. officials tended to take more hands-off position. Charles L. Evans, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, called the crash a ‘once in a lifetime crisis’ caused by a ‘myopic focus’ on short-term profits. Charles I. Plosser, president of the Philadelphia Fed, took the positon that no one could have detected the financial corruption.”
“But Texas economist James K. Galbraith, a former chief staffer of Congress’s Joint Economic Committee, read from testimony to the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission noting that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke was warned in detail by housing lenders in 2005 how corrupt lending was driving a severe collapse. ‘The Fed should at least have the courage to admit it knew but didn’t act. If government had followed the military’s rule all officials involved would have been removed from their positions and an official inquiry started to see what the knew,’ he declared.”
“In mid-conference, The New York Times came out with a package of stories explaining that federal prosecutors and the FBI were denied funds to pursue Wall Street mortgage investigations, unlike in the 1980s, when more than 1,000 savings and loan officials were convicted.”
“‘Of course bailouts can happen again,’ declared Phil Angelides, chairman of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, noting that America’s four largest banks now control far more assets than they did in 2007. People ask, ‘Is the government just an insurance company for those with financial power? I think what we are grappling with now is far greater than the financial crisis. It is the eradication of trust.’”
“Some very specific lending, regulatory and planning changes need to be made to avoid another property crash in the years ahead. Given the damage caused to our competitiveness, economy and sovereignty, our banks, environment and to individuals’ finances, we must now erect strong defences against any continuing vulnerability to a similar future disaster.”
“This is not just a question of bashing bankers, burning bondholders, roasting regulators and punishing politicians. It goes far deeper. The relationships between the zoning and planning process and the profits to be made from development also influenced the intensity and duration of the bubble.”
“We must change fundamental beliefs and the way we organise much of our governance and decision-making. In addition we need independent structures for reviewing, auditing and reporting on the appropriateness of key policies and on the execution of those policies.”
“It may sound like heresy, but increasing house prices are fundamentally bad for the economy.”
It was fun putting some posts together this week. As I mentioned before, if readers show an interest I will continue as time permits. My thanks to those who support this blog. Check back this weekend for news, market observations and your topics!
Thank you Mr. Ben!
x3 Cheers to TGIF!
Even if there isn’t enough readership to justify it long term, thanks for doing it this week anyway. It’s fun to remember how it was a few years ago. Perhaps if we get another big dip in prices a whole new generation will show up here to read all about it.
Ben
Love your desk clearing “weekend updates”!! Too bad its real news and not spoofs like on SNL. Truth really is stranger than fiction; thanks for pointing newsworthy articles out to us. Our family, the wife and I, are poster children for what went wrong with the economy and housing. And recipients of much ire by posters here due to us camping out in a home we are not paying on, waiting on the bank to move us out.
Had I known about HBB then, we could have been in a much better spot financially; we would have stopped playing a little earlier!
I knew something was odd that I was making money faster than I could spend it (2003-2006) w/o working except on minor property improvements or on renting out our home(s).
I should have not let my wife take a loan out on our last property. Selling all those houses, cashing in each time, gave us a serious psychological syndrome that we had the Midas touch; only to be caught with pants down on one of the last NINJA loans given and also putting a large cash investment into a house in Utah in 2006. These did not follow the pattern we had gotten used to– the house going up in value.
And instead of selling it at the apex; we had stuck a tenant in Utah after finding out that we were not welcome there and wanted to move back to Oregon ASAP. Struck a “lease to own” deal that locked in a deadbeat tenant who did not buy the home as the value actually fell during his lease timeframe.
Actually we were lucky to unload our cash investment of 400k for close to 300k (late 2009 to a couple from the Bay area) on the bench in Utah.
It is interesting that every home we sold during the bubble has since foreclosed guess they did not put much skin in the game and therefore had no reason to pay the mortgage on their depreciating asset. One condo we sold for 350k in 2006 was foreclosed on in 2010 and finally resold by the bank for 165k.
The buyer put next to nothing down, never made a payment on the mortgage, and also took all the furniture that came with the deal (20k worth of stuff)– more than he ever paid for the right of ownership. Foreclosure for profit, this guy did it; yeah! And we, as the seller, paid all his closing costs to push the deal through.
So yeah, thanks to the HBB, now I know what we did wrong! We never bought just to flip; it just was too enticing not to sell a 150k house for 287k after one year. Or a condo bought for 200k for 350k. These were homes to live in that we decided to flip.
Problem was my psychotic notion of invincibility (prices only go up) that allowed us to buy a house for 400k cash in Utah (living there did not work out for us) that we had to sell for 289k; and a condo my wife purchased for 400k(appraised at 440k; could have done a cash out refi; I guess though that would have complicated the foreclosure due to recourse). Same condo and builder that we had purchased in 2005 for 200k in 2007 it cost 400k and we bought it! With 80k down no less; at least most fools bought with little down. Now its worth 200k and wife can no longer afford the mortgage. Like musical chairs; and now we have nowhere to sit.
Luckily I own one last home; hopefully purchased near the bottom for 115k. and my wife and I have secure, although menial, jobs. FPSS says we shall end up in the gutter begging but I do beg—-to differ. Having the enlightenment of the HBB; taken with a large grain of salt at times should get us through!! Plus hard work, not bubble cash to support us. Thanks Ben!!
Quite a story and a quite a ride.
Some similiar themes I see here. Couples that made small fortunes selling during the boom times - often several house in the space of a few years.
They plowed all their “profits” into the next dream/trophy home. These home then dropped in value wiping all equity and profits.
Hindsight - imagine if they took all those “profits” and downsized into a very affordable and smaller home. Maybe even pay for it in cash.
Exactly where we are sitting, 2banana. At least through the medical hits and the equity hits and the cost of living hits; we ended up with one paid for house out of the deal.
Played differently; with the benefit of hindsight we might have had a fourplex (juggling houses has given us landlording skills; ie we have slowly come to understand how and why to protect ourselves against tenants; and how to get decent ones) and retired on the income.
Mindblowing to be handed half a million bucks and also blow half of it doubling down! But instead of being savvy, we paid off lots of personal debt due mostly to living large without a budget from 1995 to 2008; raising our kids without a financial care in the world, thanks to a cash job and exponential home value that we finally cashed in on in 2004.
But after selling in Cali, never to return likely; we picked up a couple houses here in Bend; got a teacher credential. Had four surgeries(I guess the insurance $$ helped me all in all) Lived on credit for a time on the 0% teasers; and paid off 75k in CC debt rather than default on it; when we sold a home.
But ultimately my wife is defaulting on 300k of mortgage debt, maybe a BK for HOA, CC, and taxes to the tune of about 10k. Meanwhile we are renting out our asset and skating by here in the home until it is foreclosed on.
Since she works at a 6k/year job(lunchlady at our kids school; and keeping her eye out for something better at the school or the nutrition dept), this is not surprising. She was a checker when given the 300k loan (albeit with 80k down) But the job keeps her time busy as at other times she is raising our children, who are on the honor roll! At least she has stayed off the dole thus far, as we pay our own insurance and food.
And with a paid off house, we have one less bill to worry about. I have job security as well; so long as I stay employable I can work my part time job of substitute teaching.
Possibly in the nearish future an opening with benefits will come along for one of us and we can afford life again as a two income earning family, but we have a paid off house, which indicates at one point 100k savings.
What about everyone else in the $500/month club? Food stamps and no health insurance are two given growth opportunities for these families who are now skating on the mortgage for the time being like we are.
readership or clickership
I sure like the articles. It causes the discussion that follows to stay on topic. I don’t like political blogs. But this mania for housing is just so darn interesting.
I think the second dip that is underway will be bigger than the first one. Much of Las Vegas will have to be bulldozened.
A couple of hurricances will thin out Florida housing inventories.
Bernanke was warned about this and so was Greenspan. They just did not care.
I’m sure that varies from market to market. It’s simply not possible for the second dip to be bigger than the first in my nabe,* since prices are currently down more than 50% from peak.
*College Park MD. An inside the beltway working class to lower middle class suburb of DC.
Thanks, Ben! A lot of us missed the postings. We hope you enjoyed your 9-month ‘vacation’ from posting and we are glad you’re back to posting.
Hear, hear. In the past, I had told friends looking to buy to check out the blog for great insight on housing. Then the name-calling and non-housing related stuff started happening and I stopped recommending the site (while still reading myself, of course). But I just recommend the blog to an acquaintance yesterday. Thanks again, Ben.
“It may sound like heresy, but increasing house prices are fundamentally bad for the economy.”
Heresy? Not even close mate, here’s heresy: “America housing prices going forward from 2011 will be fundamentally based on a citizen-family unit with only x1 somewhat-steady-non-union-non-benefits full-time job salary averaging less than $50,000 USD”
Did you mean your “heresy” was the actual truth?
It sounded truthful to me that housing will decrease in value until it can be supported by a regular job.
“And like an untold number of Americans, Kay was informed that to qualify for HAMP, she would need to be two months behind in her mortgage payments.
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In a perverse coincidence, Kay’s son, who had owned his home for five years, applied for a HAMP modification a month before she did. And like Kay, he went two months behind on payments and was rejected, then caught up only to have the bank foreclose.”
Who came up with this SCAM to convince those with good credit histories to deliberately damage them in order to set themselves up as foreclosure targets.
The deception was just, plain evil.
Who came up with this SCAM to convince those with good credit histories to deliberately damage them in order to set themselves up as foreclosure targets.
The Banking Clan?
My advice to anyone drowning in debt: file for BK! You won’t miss those credit cards. Sure you will no longer be able to “afford”:
Fancy vacations (Disney, Hawaii, Vegas)
To eat out more than once a month
To buy fancy toys (plasma TVs, iToys, etc).
To lease luxury cars.
But you know what? You never could afford any of those in the first place.
Anyone who applied for HAMP was probably going to default and destroy their FICO eventually anyway. The government really should have known this — heck, we knew this — and instead engineered a soft landing on Main Street for true victims. Perhaps an intermediate type of BK where people lose the house but are given a head start in credit-rebuild.
I kind of like the idea that, after foreclosure (or maybe in lieu of), the people can become tenants in their houses, paying the banks market rent, with a first option to buy the house, at market price.
Meanwhile the house is on the market, and if someone else makes a legitimate offer on the house, and they can’t or won’t match it, they have to move- although they can get moved for free to another gov owned house, on which, as tenants, they would have the same first option to buy while paying market rent.
One problem is they might be difficult tenants to deal with for the purpose of showing the houses to potential buyers.
“One problem is they might be difficult tenants to deal with for the purpose of showing the houses to potential buyers.”
But I guess that’s true of any rental property.
That’s why real estate agents prefer that rental houses be empty. That way, they’re easier to show.
“That’s why real estate agents prefer that rental houses be empty”
I’m sure they prefer it, but most landlords prefer to keep that rental income coming in until the property gets sold. And if you’re selling to another landlord, then tenants already there are often a good thing.
In a perverse coincidence, Kay’s son, who had owned his home for five years, applied for a HAMP modification a month before she did. And like Kay, he went two months behind on payments and was rejected, then caught up only to have the bank foreclose.”
Not that it is necessary with most of the people here, but I call BS on Kay’s son. If they caught up on the payments, the bank can’t foreclose. This is someone just looking to be the victim again.
“If they caught up on the payments, the bank can’t foreclose. ”
Is that true?
dunno but there’s no right of redemption in Colo. That might be part of it. And probably there’s more to the story.
I too find this funny sounding. Now there are enough stories about lost paperwork and misapplied payments in the mortgage servicing business to belive that this COULD have happened as described. But if it did, not only would Kay’s son have a cause of action, but so would the actual lender. Because foreclosure is a money-loosing business for the lender, although the servicer might be able to squeeze some fees from it.
My guess is that their missperception is that making all the payments under the “trial modification,” means that they are “current.” That simply isn’t the case, although it is a confusion we see in media reports often. During the trial modification period the borrower IS in default on the original loan agreement. From the lender’s perspective, the trial modification period is simply to give them enough time to figure out whether the borrower is in that narrow band between “We think forclosing saves us more money than giveing you a loan you can afford,” and “we think that you can make the agreed upon payments so we see no need to lose money that we don’t have to.” Of course a more skeptical person might say that the trial modification is simply a way squeeze at least a few partial payments out of FBs you’re going to foreclose on anyway.
‘The Fed should at least have the courage to admit it knew but didn’t act. If government had followed the military’s rule all officials involved would have been removed from their positions and an official inquiry started to see what the knew,’
Are issues like this fair game for future Bernanke press conferences?
Aside: I take the impression that Fed insiders were none too fond of James Galbraith’s father; it seems the bad blood may have continued for another generation.
I dunno, I haven’t heard of justice like that going down in the military in a long, I mean, ever.
Yeah, you saw it in the Abu Gharaib scandal.
Turns out, it was all a bunch of Sargents and no one else in the entire Army knew what was going on.
In fact, President Obama is so sure of it, he will not authorize the release of the last batch of photos.
Justice - Army style!
So many disingenuous quotes in these articles that it’s hard to know where to begin.
Charles I. Plosser, president of the Philadelphia Fed, took the positon that no one could have detected the financial corruption.
Translation: no one in the Fed wanted to detect it. It was, or should have been, obvious to anyone who reads the news or who has occasion to associate with people who work for a living and require mortgages for their house purchases. The sudden willingness of lenders to loan someone 2, 3, even 4 times as much as they would have just a few years earlier, was ample evidence that there was corruption occurring on several levels.
“…took the positon that no one could have detected the financial corruption.”
Are deafness and blindness qualifications for high posts at the Fed?
Hairdressers and mailmen were being loaned money to buy and flip houses, two or three at a time and “no one could detect the financial corruption”?
I can’t count the number of people that I knew making $75,000 or less that were trying to buy million dollar homes and succeeding and nobody knew fraud was occurring? How the heck else were these things happening without fraud?
The regulators were and are complicit in the frauds.
‘You are hoping beyond hope that a bank is going to do something good for you — because Obama made them. Now I understand why the old-timers hid their money. They didn’t trust the banks.’”
I sometime wonder what happen to the people in a video I once saw who said “Obama is going to pay my mortgage, Obama is going to put gas in my tank. He has a stash.”
Obama MADE them? He did no such thing.
ISTR that, as far as the banks were concerned, the HAMP program was voluntary.
Yes, we mocked it with vigor right here in the HBB.
‘This travesty is the result. And furthermore, in the ancient medina, there are now 300 riads for sale. These traditional houses were titivated by foreigners and now they want to abandon them because the property bubble has burst.’”
So THAT’S what happened to all those house I saw on HGTV’s “International House Hunters” show. And yes - a few were in Morocco and Tunsia!
The difference there is they had to pay cash.
‘titivated’
titivate: v. to spruce up or make tidy
possibly from ‘tidy’ up + ‘renovate’, first known use 1824
webstersdotcom
Or maybe titillate + cultivate?
Others say it’s from tidy + elevate
It can also mean to decorate.
“Two other U.S. officials tended to take more hands-off position. Charles L. Evans, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, called the crash a ‘once in a lifetime crisis’ caused by a ‘myopic focus’ on short-term profits. Charles I. Plosser, president of the Philadelphia Fed, took the positon that no one could have detected the financial corruption.”
America’s best and brightest. The best prep schools and Ivy League educations.
Give me some engineers from a state college anyday or these boobs…
Is the American lifespan down to only one decade now?
More like one election.
“…these boobs…”
You have to admit that convincingly and consistently telling official lies is a rare skill.
Boobs would be insulted.
I tried to vote against Trump a second time through the link Ben furnished above, and was notified that I am only allowed one vote.
Aw shucks!
‘If they are seeing that it doesn’t make dollar sense to stay in the home, who can really argue with that?’
Uncle Sam, perhaps?
‘Is the government just an insurance company for those with financial power? I think what we are grappling with now is far greater than the financial crisis. It is the eradication of trust.’
How many years back did I make that point here? I’ve lost track…
But the technocrat brigade at the Fed seems quite complacent; as long as that printing press technology is up and running, I guess they are good to go?
‘Is the government just an insurance company for those with financial power?’
And those without financial power. Pretty much for everyone except for the middle-middle and upper-middle class.
Those without financial power are paying premiums for that insurance.
Those without financial power are paying premiums for that insurance.
how do you figure? the folks in section 8 housing, and on food stamps? Getting the EITC? What premium are they paying? The government has backstopped them…many have never contributed to the system at all.
How about naming the people who were in charge? Aren’t those the ones who take home multiples of millions of fiat units in exchange for being “elite”? How can everyone and no one be responsible at the same time?
Glad to see the posts again because I really missed this section of the blog.
Thanks Ben!