May 5, 2011

It Depends On A Constant Flow Of Imported Money

A report from the Spokane Review. “In 2002, there were four North Idaho homes listed for sale at more than $1 million. Just two sold. By mid-decade, there were dozens of listings, said Coldwell Banker Schneidmiller Realtor Joel Elgee. Major magazines like Outside, Sunset, Forbes and Smart Money were praising Sandpoint and Coeur d’Alene as recreational, retirement and investment meccas. Former Denver-area car dealer Marshall Chesrown returned to Coeur d’Alene and developed The Club at Black Rock, a golf enclave where lots started at $200,000. It was the first of several exclusive projects Chesrown and others undertook in the heat of the greatest real estate bubble in many decades.”

“Now, the listings are still there, but buyers are scarce. There were 199 homes listed on the Coeur d’Alene MLS last week at prices from $1 million to $17.5 million. At last year’s sales rate – 33 of the $1 million-plus listings sold – that’s a six-year supply. Jeff Bond, owner of the Sotheby’s International Realty franchises in Sandpoint and Coeur d’Alene, and his wife own a home in Hope, across Lake Pend Oreille from Sandpoint. They are selling it because they want to eliminate the long commute to Coeur d’Alene. First listed at $4.8 million, they have slashed the price four times, down to $2.9 million.”

“‘Just because I’m a Realtor doesn’t mean I’m immune,’ Bond said. ‘You sell because you want to move on with your life.’”

The Billings Gazette in Montana. “Patrick Barkey hears stories that he doesn’t want to. Construction companies taking jobs that don’t turn a profit simply in an effort to hold onto their best employees during difficult times. More and more Montana construction workers are leaving to seek jobs in the oil fields of North Dakota. ‘The construction industry is feeling a lot of pain,’ said Barkey, director of the University of Montana Bureau of Business and Economic Research.”

“Barkey said low sales, falling prices and foreclosures are both symptoms of, and cause of, poor market conditions. ‘Falling prices knock out any type of spec investment,’ he said. ‘Homebuilding won’t take off until prices stabilize.’”

Oregon Public Broadcasting. “Oregon is seeing an unprecedented jump in the number of homes in foreclosure. John Helmick of Guerilla Capital in Eugene says around the state counties are seeing a doubling or even tripling of notices. He thinks banks that pulled foreclosures because of concerns about robo-signing, are putting properties back on the market.”

“John Helmick: ‘I’m not convinced that what we’re seeing here is new foreclosures. I think what we’re seeing here are to a great extent foreclosures that were filed previously, the files were taken back, reviewed and then re-filed once the bank was confident every aspect of the file was correct.’”

The Seattle Times in Washington. “While the spring housing market in the Seattle area may be showing a little more zip than expected, it doesn’t appear to be going anywhere fast. So local homebuilders are growing more generous with incentives. This year, the market for pre-existing homes is heavily weighed down by foreclosed houses and houses selling for less than the mortgage amount, which together account for about one-third of current sales.”

“‘You really try hard not to reduce the price because [the price of] new product is always compared to last year,’ says George Rolfe, director of The Runstad Center for Real Estate Studies at the University of Washington. So if last year’s home sold for $400,000, the builder can boost the price of the new homes to more than $400,000. But if last year’s model had to be reduced to $375,000, that can drag down prices for the following year’s model.”

The Kitsap Sun in Washington. “At times, the Friday-morning foreclosure auctions outside the Kitsap County Administration Building can take your breath away. That happened to me April 15, when one of the largest foreclosures properties of the year, the aborted Blossom Hill development on Bainbridge Island, went back to the bank on a couple of mortgages totaling $27 million that went bad.”

“This past Friday, I watched a waterfront home on Bainbridge Island auctioned off to an investor for $226,000, less than half its assessed value. I spoke with Steven Hughes of Hughes Construction of Bainbridge Island. He claimed the homeowner owed him $105,000 for a renovation he did a few years back. The problem with the Crystal Springs Drive house, at least according to Hughes, is that it sits at the bottom of a steep bank. He claims the house has foundation cracks. ‘It’s a gorgeous view, but when you have a bank behind the house like that, it’s scary,’ he said.”

The Vancouver Sun in Canada. “Although home prices remain overvalued across Canada, they seem headed for a period of stagnation rather than a sell-off. March data from the Canadian Real Estate Association showed average urban prices up by a modest 4.3 per cent, if you exclude the rocket-propelled Vancouver market (it was up by a remarkable 13.4 per cent from an already very high level).”

“Vancouver is another city that’s had stronger sales and price gains than analysts would have expected, although ’strong’ doesn’t really do justice to this market’s astonishing price gains. ‘It’s a little puzzling,’ acknowledges Royal Bank economist Robert Hogue, who, like others who watch Vancouver real estate, can conclude only that a flood of wealthy Asian buyers continues to support sky-high prices.”

“In a February report on affordability across Canada, Royal Bank economists found a typical two-storey home in Vancouver cost $780,700, double the average Canadian price. By comparison, such a home would have cost $342,600 in Montreal or $570,100 in Toronto. ‘When you look at the local fundamentals, nothing can really explain that,’ says Hogue. ‘I think it does raise some red flags because it depends on a constant flow of imported money. If the flow stops, the locals just can’t pay those prices.’”

The Globe & Mail in Canada. “Vancouver and its unhappy Olympic village condo owners are digging in for a protracted battle, with city manager Penny Ballem saying that the city is prepared to fight the lawsuit they’ve launched vigorously.”

“‘The city’s been very clear that we don’t intend to settle,’ Ms. Ballem said in a statement about the group of condo owners who started a lawsuit last month against the village’s sales companies to get back what they paid for their units so they can move out. ‘This is largely about pre-sale owners trying to pressure us for discounted sales.’”

“The statement says the buyers filed a lawsuit only when other condos in the village went on sale at prices reduced by an average of 30 per cent in February, 2011, as the village’s receiver launched a new marketing campaign for the village. As well, the legal response notes that the units are now used, not new, so they could never ‘be resold for as much as if they had never been occupied.’”

“Lawyer Bryan Baynham said he’s now representing 70 buyers out of the 263 who bought before September, 2010, who claim they should be allowed out of their purchases and they also are expecting a tough fight. ‘I didn’t start this battle expecting the city would settle,’ said Mr. Baynham, who has represented groups of unhappy purchasers at other condo projects over the years.”

“Mr. Baynham produced a video to accompany the lawsuit last month that showed water coming in through ceiling lights, water pooling in parking garages, cracks in ceilings, doors that wouldn’t close properly and more. Ms. Ballem said that all the buyers got a chance to inspect their units before they moved in. As well, she said, since the village went into receivership last November, receiver Ernst & Young has been scrambling to fix deficiencies that accumulated in the previous months as Peter and Shahram Malek of Millennium Development Corp. struggled to make their first $200-million mortgage payment.”

“Mr. Baynham said in an interview this week that the buyers got only an hour to look at the units. Ultimately, he said, buyers are also stuck because, once all the units are sold, there will be no developer they can go to if future problems arise, the way most projects work.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-05-05 07:35:52

For those wondering whatever happened to the various condos in WA, I found a couple of older articles:

‘One of Tacoma developer Prium’s signature properties now belongs to a Seattle-based real estate company and its equity partner, who bought it for a cool $15 million in an off-market deal…It’s a 78-unit condo-turned-apartment complex atop 19,000-square-feet of commercial space…Pierce County records indicate the last owner of Chelsea Heights is Sterling Savings Bank, a subsidiary of which began foreclosure on the building owner last year…The bankruptcy was dismissed in December when the debtor essentially let the property go. Chelsea Heights is one of several Prium properties that have run into trouble.’

‘While everyone in Whatcom County has had to adjust to the Great Recession, construction has been regarded as the hardest hit industry…For more than five years Rick Westerop has been trying to get financing for a residential project at 1010 Railroad Ave. The site was once slated for an 18-story condominium tower; last month Westerop applied for building permits for a five-story mixed-use building, with four of the floors being used for 56 apartment units.’

 
Comment by Montana
2011-05-05 08:51:05

“‘You really try hard not to reduce the price because [the price of] new product is always compared to last year,’

Heheh, the truth comes out…as if we didn’t know.

 
Comment by polly
2011-05-05 08:54:35

Hey, can anyone recommend a not too expensive hotel or B&B in Vancouver? Near English Bay if possible. I’m going to want to be able to walk back from the fireworks festival in early August.

Comment by aragonzo
2011-05-05 09:09:55

Polly,

Try the Sylvia hotel. It is an old character hotel that is right beside English Bay. The fireworks should be visible from the hotel, assuming they haven’t moved the barge this year.

http://www.sylviahotel.com/

Comment by polly
2011-05-05 09:47:16

Just to clarify, I already bought tickets to sit in the grandstands for the fireworks. I figured that for a competition there might be some stuff on multiple levels so it would be worth it to be right in the middle of things. But I’m going to be on my own so I didn’t want to devote multiple hours to hanging out on the waterfront staking out a good spot. So I don’t need a view from the roof of the hotel. However, the shows don’t even start until 10, so once it is over, I expect I will want to be able to walk back to my room and collapse.

Thanks for the idea so far. Keep ‘em coming.

 
 
Comment by Patrick
2011-05-05 09:21:58

Empire Landmark, a 42 storey hotel, and you can get a room for as low as $85 a night. The fireworks view is spectacular - but get a room above the 12th floor looking west or south. Ten minute walk to English Bay and you are on Robson - centre of activity in Vancouver. Generally includes a free buffet breakfast.

 
Comment by Patrick
2011-05-05 09:39:37

Polly

I don’t know if you have ever been to Vancouver, but you should allow some time to drive to Whistler (and beyond) on the Sea to Sky highway. It takes about two hours to drive to Whistler from Vancouver. Scenery is fantastic. A lot different than New Jersey - but I like NJ as well.

Horshoe Bay restaurant overlooking the harbour and mountains is a nice place to eat, and when you come out you can connect to the old Sea to Sky highway to see what white knuckle driving was like (for about five miles). The new highway is great.

Have a good trip.

Comment by polly
2011-05-05 10:54:57

Never been. I’m adding it on to the end of a trip with my extended family. I think I’m going to be there 6 days, so I have some time, though I don’t know that I will end up driving anywhere. Not my favorite activity. But thanks a lot for the advice.

Comment by easthawaii
2011-05-05 14:21:07

Use http://www.vrbo.com to find a vacation rental.
Make your own breakfast or go over to one of the hotels.

That’s where I list my cottage in Hawaii VRBO #75040.

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Comment by Patrick
2011-05-05 20:29:49

With that much time you should take a walk around Stanley Park (trees are huge, scenery great) and then catch a flight to Victoria on Harbour Air (cheap) (downtown to downtown) and go on a whale watching tour. You can also catch a bus or take an old steam train to Whistler. I go to Vancouver almost every month on business and have never had the luxury of more than two days there. I envy you.

The fireworks are really nice and although there is a big crowd the viewing area is spread out over a very very long beach (with palm trees!).

Walking at night is not a problem in Vancouver as it is a very safe city. You will see many single women walking alone at night on downtown streets. Just stay off Davie St which starts at English Bay. Gay marriages in Canada started on Davie St !

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Comment by snake charmer
2011-05-05 11:38:56

You could try the Fairmont downtown. Ordinarily not cheap, but my travel agent got me an attractive package deal with other hotels when I took a Canadian vacation some years ago. It was easy walking distance to Robson Street and to public transportation.

Don’t know what else you have planned, but if you’re into hiking, take the ferry to North Vancouver and a bus to Grouse Mountain and try the “Grouse Grind.”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-05-05 09:14:10

“It Depends On A Constant Flow Of Imported Money”

The problem with tsunami tides (including the figurative financial variety) is that not only can they drown you on their way in, but they also create a path of great destruction as they wash back out to sea.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-05-05 10:10:05

The problem with tsunami tides (including the figurative financial variety) is that not only can they drown you on their way in, but they also create a path of great destruction as they wash back out to sea.

Classic case in point: The December 2004 tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-05-05 11:00:47

There’s gotta be a way to blame that on overpaid lunch ladies and union janitors.

Comment by 2banana
2011-05-05 14:42:22

Naw - global warming caused it…

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Comment by GH
2011-05-05 15:40:36

I don’t know we have a retired librarian here in San Diego getting over $200k a year in guaranteed pension payments. There are quite a number of other situations which are similar around here. Union janitors? Not sure what they make, but last I checked the going rate for a decent janitor was around the $10 an hour mark, so I assume the union ones get about that too?

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-05-05 19:17:01

Most of our local librarians make 40-50K per year, if they work full time, which most don’t

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2011-05-05 11:48:16

Those parts of the intermountain West I have visited are a combination of low-paying jobs and second-home vacation properties, and unfortunately there are more places like that in the U.S. all the time. How many of those 199 $1 million houses are owned by people who actually live in Coeur d’Alene on something approaching a full-time basis?

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-05-05 14:41:14

The Vancouver Sun in Canada. “Although home prices remain overvalued across Canada, they seem headed for a period of stagnation rather than a sell-off. March data from the Canadian Real Estate Association showed average urban prices up by a modest 4.3 per cent, if you exclude the rocket-propelled Vancouver market (it was up by a remarkable 13.4 per cent from an already very high level).”<

Vancouver is the most insane bubble market in North America today.

Hey - did the 1 bedroom $1 million olympic condos ever sell???

Comment by Al
2011-05-06 08:38:42

Some were sold as presales, but the leftovers ended up on the market for sale for significantly reduced prices. The original buyers are suing the city, who ended up being the owner when their private partner bailed.

Good times.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-05-05 19:32:06

“There were 199 homes listed on the Coeur d’Alene MLS last week at prices from $1 million to $17.5 million. At last year’s sales rate – 33 of the $1 million-plus listings sold – that’s a six-year supply.”

What’s shocking is not the six year supply, but the fact that 33 $1 million-plus listings actually sold. Prices are still waaaaay too high in that area.

Comment by rms
2011-05-05 23:18:37

“Major magazines like Outside, Sunset, Forbes and Smart Money were praising Sandpoint and Coeur d’Alene as recreational, retirement and investment meccas.”

Eastern Washington, Idaho, et al., endure six months of winter each year with at least four of those months below freezing!

 
 
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