Home Isn’t Here
The Vail Daily reports from Colorado. “The most recent report from Colorado Housing, a group dedicated to affordable housing for low-income renters, paints a vivid picture of increasingly expensive housing for rent. But Eagle County has several hundred apartments that have income limits of one kind or another. There are vacancies in virtually all of those complexes, and managers are making deals. Klosterman said, is that while Front Range rentals in many cases are taking people who have lost their homes through foreclosure, more valley residents are leaving than moving into rentals. ‘We ask people where they’re going and they say ‘home,’ said Eagle County Housing Director Jill Klosterman. ‘We don’t know where that is, but it isn’t here.’”
“Klosterman agreed that the rental market will stay fairly loose — a historic rarity in the valley — until the economy turns around. ‘It’s not really about supply and demand, but jobs,’ Klosterman said. ‘And we’ve lost 6,000 jobs over the last few years.’”
The Chieftain in Colorado. “Pueblo homebuilder Branson Haney recently announced a job opening for a retiring secretary. Within a week, his desk was buried under more than 60 applications, including several from people who clearly are overqualified but in need of work following layoffs at other real estate companies, he said. The heavy job losses in the construction sector are a ‘very bad trickle down effect’ of the U.S. recession and housing downturn, he said.”
“Pueblo County builders took out 15 home permits in April, bringing the year-to-date total to a meager 43 home starts. The figure is a tenth of pre-recession levels and down from 91 during the same period a year ago and 54 in 2009, the market’s previous slowest year.”
The Daily Sentinel in Colorado. “Fewer foreclosure notices were tagged to Mesa County homes in the first quarter of 2011 than in any quarter of 2010. Bray Real Estate broker associate David Durham said bankers have told him to expect a flood of new homes that have gone through foreclosure when banks and lenders start getting through their stockpiles of foreclosure-related work and are able to move homes more quickly through the process. So far, though, Durham said that hasn’t happened.”
“‘Our inventory has slowed down considerably in the past 60 days. That’s a good sign,’ he said.”
In Denver Times from Colorado. “The conventional wisdom since last fall is that the drop in foreclosure activity in Colorado and Denver wouldn’t last. ‘Loan servicers (that process mortgage paperwork, and decide who gets loan modifications or face foreclosure) have been saying that once all of the paperwork problems were worked out, foreclosure filings would come roaring back,’ said Ryan McMaken, the Colorado Division of Housing spokesman who released the report and analyzed the data.”
“Ron Woodcock, a broker with RE/MAX Southeast, Woodcock said that he things banks are sitting on a great deal of distressed homes that eventually will hit the market. Part of the slow-down is because loan mitigation officers in charge of processing and deciding the fate of distressed properties, are incredibly over-worked, he said. Woodcock said he has talked to loan mitigation officers who have 700 to 800 cases they need to process.”
“‘We’re at a plateau right now,’ Woodcock said. ‘But there is a huge shadow market out there that is going to greatly increase the inventory of homes on the market.’”
The Coloradoan. “A group of about 30 protesters gathered outside a Bank of America home loan office in Loveland on a cold and rainy Wednesday to express their discontent with the bank’s loan and mortgage practices. ‘Bank of America, you’re no good, you ripped off our neighborhood,’ the 30 or so protesters chanted as they walked in a circle on the office’s sidewalk. ‘Banks got bailed out, we got sold out!’ the group shouted.”
“Shelley Schaput of Fort Collins said during the protest she had to hire a lawyer to stop Bank of America from foreclosing on her home even though she said she was making house payments. ‘I’ve been trying to get a loan modification for four years,’ she said. ‘It was unbelievable, the runaround I went through.’”
The Salt Lake Tribune in Utah. “Bank of America continued to file foreclosure-related actions in its own name Wednesday, the day after a state law directly aimed at that practice by the mortgage-servicing giant took effect. The Utah Attorney General’s Office asserts that ReconTrust, the foreclosure arm of Bank of America, fails to comply with state law when it institutes foreclosure proceedings under its own name.”
“Besides the right to seek damages and a $2,000 penalty, the new law also says homeowners can seek attorney fees if they win a lawsuit, said John Swallow, civil division chief deputy attorney general. ‘In the past, if [homeowners are] out of money and can’t make their mortgage payment, they certainly can’t afford an attorney,’ he said. ‘Now we’re giving them the ability to actually go and find a lawyer and say ‘Look, if they’ve broken the law you also get your attorney fees.’”
“Swallow declined to say what the state would do if ReconTrust continues its same foreclosure practices despite the new law.”
The Ahwatukee Foothill News in Arizona. “New figures today from the U.S. Census Bureau show that more than 463,000 housing units in the state were vacant when the decennial count was taken last year. That’s close to one out of every six. ‘If you want to put that in context, that’s enough housing to accommodate an entire decade worth of population growth — if the population were growing,’ pointed out Marshall Vest, economist at the University of Arizona. ‘Of course, it hasn’t been here for the last couple of years.’”
“Now, said Vest, there is little, if any, population growth. And he said that is because the nation as a whole has the lowest ‘mobility rate’ in six decades. ‘A lot of that has to do with people being upside-down in their houses,’ he said, unable to sell them to get the money to go elsewhere.”
“In the meantime, Vest said home prices are still declining in most markets. ‘The lower prices go, the more foreclosures you have,’ he said. ‘And the more foreclosures you have, the more downward pressure you have on prices.’”
The Arizona Republic. “Arizona’s homeownership rate dropped to its lowest level in more than a decade, according to newly released census data, even when based on figures that don’t factor in the record number of vacant homes in the state. ‘It all goes back to population,’ said Jim Rounds, an economist with Scottsdale-based Elliott D. Pollack & Co. ‘We haven’t seen a noticeable increase in people moving here during the past few years, and we still have a lot of speculative homes built during the boom empty.’”
The Tucson Citizen in Arizona. “Metro Phoenix’s housing market this year is not working out much better than 2010, and Peoria is likely to see foreclosures go up in the near future, according to Arizona State University professor Jay Butler. Butler, director of ASU’s Realty Studies program, shared the gloomy assessment with the Peoria City Council this week. Slide after slide of his presentation indicated there is a glut of foreclosed homes in metro Phoenix, that a majority of sales are foreclosure-related and that resale home values are down.”
“About 7 percent, or 70,000 homes, are traditionally in the resale market. That number currently stands at 100,000, of which 40 percent are foreclosures. Historically, foreclosures would’ve been 1 percent.”
“Difficulty in obtaining financing remains an issue, Butler said. Worse, Butler said, the maximum FHA loan amount could be lowered from $350,000 to $150,000 by the end of September. In the boom, money was cheap and available. ‘Money now is cheap but not available,’ he said.”
The East Valley Tribune in Arizona. “The number of single-family homes sold in Sun City and Sun City West were the same in April 2010 as in April 2011, but sellers in each community received less money for their properties year over year, a new study revealed. Similar price drops occurred throughout the region, according to the report.”
“The report showed for the second month in a row, the hard-hit Phoenix-area housing market saw a decline in the foreclosure rate. However, the author of the new study said not to celebrate yet. ‘The actual number of monthly foreclosures in the Phoenix area is still very high,’ said Jay Butler, associate professor of real estate. ‘It’s like flying through a hurricane, and we may just be in the eye right now. There’s probably more of the storm to go through, and we could see another wave of foreclosures.’”
“‘Some homeowners have a lot of frustration built up, having used many of their resources like 401(k)s and other savings accounts to keep their homes; it’s unclear how much longer they can hold on,’ says Butler. ‘Also, there are ongoing discussions about even stricter mortgage guidelines, inflationary concerns, changes in the secondary market and possible lowering of the Federal Housing Administration mortgage limit, which could strongly influence the market. It will take time for all of this to play out.’”
From Vegas Inc. in Nevada. “A Las Vegas research analyst said today the number of homeowners who are delinquent in their mortgage payments suggests the region is only halfway through its housing crisis. Since January 2007, 86,736 homes have been foreclosed upon in Las Vegas, said Larry Murphy, the president of SalesTraq. That’s one of every seven homes.”
“Murphy said he’s concerned the high number of delinquencies could result in a similar number of foreclosures or cases where homes are sold as part of a short sale in which the owner owes more on the mortgage than the home is worth. ‘Another 80,000 distressed sales will undoubtedly keep downward pressure on sales prices, even those properties which are not distressed,’ Murphy said in a report he issued. ‘If this scenario is valid, it means we are approximately halfway through the most severe housing crisis in Nevada.’”
“Murphy said banks have sold more than 82,000 homes in foreclosure inventory and added that banks have a remaining inventory of about 11,000.”
The Las Vegas Business Press in Nevada. “Southern Nevada recorded $29 million in land deals during the first quarter, a 30 percent jump from a year ago, Las Vegas-based Sunbelt Development & Realty Partners reported. About 46 percent of property sold between January and March was owned by banks, Sunbelt said; private investors and builders made up the balance of sellers. Many owners bought high but are selling low due to the recession, as service debt outweighs sinking property values.”
“‘The price homebuilders can pay for land is relative to the price of the home that will be built and sold on the land,’ Sunbelt owner Bill Lenhart said. ‘As new-home prices change, so will the price of land.’”
“Diminished pricing stems from high unemployment and sluggish job growth, Sunbelt said. ‘While year-over-year unemployment declined from 15.4 percent to 13.3 percent, it’s important to note that the reduction in the employment rate is the result of labor-force contraction rather new-job creation,’ Lenhart said. ‘The estimated negative housing demand for 2010 as a result of labor force contraction is 13,962 households.’”
A newspaper from nearby had this article, with a quote in the comments:
‘Just who can those of us who are not in trouble with our mortgage but want to sell to move or any reason sue the pants off of for the beating we are taking in the housing market.’
‘I put my house on the market in 2007 for $225,000 and have watched it sink monthly to were I now can not even sell it for what I OWE on it. Someone or some entity owes me over $125,000 for my losses and lost trust and faith in realtors, banks and mortgage companies.’
Seems like we are getting to the “despair” part of the curve…
“‘We’re at a plateau right now,’ Woodcock said. ‘But there is a huge shadow market out there that is going to greatly increase the inventory of homes on the market.”
And the false bottom part plateau of the Charles Hugh Smith symmetrics curve from 2006: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmar11/phase-shift-housing3-11.html
Hughs Smith article is one of the best I’ve seen on the housing market. Thanks for the link.
Easy…the same entity that you’d give the $125,000 profit too…had your property gone up by that amount. Ha, get real.
I don’t know who this person is above me ,but it isn’t me .
Waaaaaa…. Waaaaaaa……
Sheesh… would u like some cheese with thae whine??
“Someone or some entity owes me . . . ” It sickens me that these people don’t even realize they were responsible for the loss of millions of jobs, and locking competent families out of home buying at reasonable prices, due to their ignorant decisions in demanding to overpay for homes. If anyone owes anything its garbage like that. How hard is it to look at historical home prices in the area before making a purchase? People like this made a decision to sacrifice their retirement and any hope of equity in order to make the seller a hefty profit. I wish they could live with their decision quietly. No one that offered to pay a price equating to more than 5% ROR on the seller’s purchase price had any reasonable expection that they would not lose money on the transaction.
Oops, this guy should have cut the price back in 2007 - maybe from 225K to 190K.
The first loss is the best loss…
That’s it. 2007? Classic case of chasing the market down.
From the article: “I am absolutely sure we might [sic] be at the bottom.”
Sums up the confidence out there.
The Coloradoan. “A group of about 30 protesters gathered outside a Bank of America home loan office in Loveland on a cold and rainy Wednesday to express their discontent with the bank’s loan and mortgage practices. ‘Bank of America, you’re no good, you ripped off our neighborhood,’ the 30 or so protesters chanted as they walked in a circle on the office’s sidewalk. ‘Banks got bailed out, we got sold out!’ the group shouted.”
Where is MY free taxpayer money!!!
I would take these people more seriously if they were protesting to put the exectutive officers of BoA in jail…
I would take these people more seriously if they were protesting to put the exectutive officers of BoA in jail…
USUncut’s already protesting BofA’s non-payment of federal income taxes.
ISTR seeing a video of a flash mob performing in a San Francisco branch. Even the bank employees thought it was funny.
I was introduced to these things when chef Jamie Oliver organized students at a West Virginia college to flash-mob to promote his healthy-eating place. (It was a TV show).
When I see a flash mob, I generally don’t hop in an join the cause; I tend to wonder who broke the locks on the local insane asylum.
Although, I admit, non-payment of income taxes is worth flash-mobbing about.
What’s sad is that those FB’s are whining for refi’s because they depend on that refi.
“‘Some homeowners have a lot of frustration built up, having used many of their resources like 401(k)s and other savings accounts to keep their homes; it’s unclear how much longer they can hold on,’ says Butler. ‘Also, there are ongoing discussions about even stricter mortgage guidelines, inflationary concerns, changes in the secondary market and possible lowering of the Federal Housing Administration mortgage limit, which could strongly influence the market. It will take time for all of this to play out.’”
If you are going to lose the house - why lose your 401k with it???
Because they didn’t think they would lose the house. They thought if they could just hold on a little longer, it would come roaring back and THEN they’d finally make the big bucks that were going to fund their sweet retirement. Total gambler mindset. Just find the money for one more pull…
Unfortunately, lots of folks believe the MSM and their shills.
Anyone out there notice how this one simple question makes property sellers and their agents squirm in angst/discomfort:
“Please email me a legal plat of the property.”
This request is almost universally ignored. As if I will have anything to do with a seller or agent that ignores my request for a legal survey of real property. There are usually very good reasons that such requests are ignored many times having to do with EASEMENTS.
Silver 200dma at $28.50ish. Buy the blood!
Must be different for different areas.
The assessors maps are attached to property listings in my area. Plus, if you use the local NAR’s standard contract, the seller needs to provide a plat and survey at the closing table. Most sellers could pass their copy along to interested buyers, upon request, without much hassle — unless, of course, the seller is a bank/lender (who will tell you up front that no survey will be provided).
I used to look up the info myself on the county’s GIS system, but then that system was under repair for months and months, and the new system is painfully slow, some of the new features are a bit confusing, and links take me in circles. So it has actually become easier to email my agent to get the assessors map attached to the listing.
Kim,
My focus is mid-west / southeast farmland with homes and structures thereon. The agents are well aware of the importance of plats to a buyer within the rural context. The problem arises when the very first thing I ask for is the plat so that I might see exactly what is being offered. See how this works? If I can see exactly what is being offered and I want to see these fine details then I must be a discerning buyer often correlated with being a hard negotiator.
Agents are coming off two decades of dealing with purely emotional buyers with no discernment whatsoever. Agents want to deal with monied dullards yet so few now exists. I simply refuse to deal with these agents regardless of property appeal. In fact, a nice 200 acre tract that I have been watching for 3 years has dropped the listing contract with its first agent only to list with an equally clueless agent. Not a problem because the price of this property just keeps on lowering while the owner becomes more frustrated.
Note to real property sellers: Everyday that you persist in not reducing your price is a day closer to a collapse in real valuations.
“New figures today from the U.S. Census Bureau show that more than 463,000 housing units in the state were vacant when the decennial count was taken last year. That’s close to one out of every six. ‘If you want to put that in context, that’s enough housing to accommodate an entire decade worth of population growth — if the population were growing,’ pointed out Marshall Vest, economist at the University of Arizona. ‘Of course, it hasn’t been here for the last couple of years.’”
Do Canadians who are “snapping up” Arizona houses know this?
Slim weighing in from Tucson: This story’s running in today’s fishwrap. It’s sparking quite the comment fiesta. Here’s a sampling from the fiesta:
“If we have soo many vacant houses, WHY THE $#%! are we still building houses??? If you go into Sahurita, you find them building houses on the same street where their have foreclosures. The only way to reset this housing crisis is to get rid of the supply, not increase it. Tucsonans, need to realize you can not just order a new house. You have to buy an existing one, and deal with the parts you want to improve.”
If they “stop” building houses the builders, banks would not have their jobs. You wouldn’t want that would you?
Of course not! (Sarcasm on.)
Oh, speaking of the the vacant AZ properties story that Ben included in his post, here’s another juicy comment from a reader of our local fishwrap:
The old “endless growth” paradigm has been running on fumes in Arizona for years now because no other economic engine was developing in parallel with real estate’s 60 year run.
That real estate boom was pushed by a small number of “development mogul-opportunist-operators” in cahoots with government, always leading the still-to-be-created demand curve. It wasn’t sustainable.
We set up a state support system based on regressive sales taxes rather than progressive income taxes that would have come from generally high paying, high skill jobs. We added all these people and all that housing — then what?
Like sharks must swim, builders have to build to survive.
Too bad you paid so much for the house, that builders are able to undercut your price on new construction.
Sometimes it sucks to be you.
Thanks for the Arizona & Nevada info Ben…I usually forward this information to a few friends who are interested in buying…Seems like both area’s are still quite the mess…
You should tell them to e-mail Ben. He helped me find a super good deal in Arizona. He is looking for investors in his fund.
Overqualified Really Means…We want to hire a MORON……
And then they will hire the airhead chicky-poo and people will assume you are bangin her behind your wife’s back…….
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including several from people who clearly are overqualified but in need of work following layoffs at other real estate companies,
Pueblo has always been a depressed and poor town. Unlike Fort Collins or Colorado Springs it has a run down look and feel to it. Unlike the Fort or Springs it has no high tech job base, no major university campus (CSU-Pueblo is minor satellite campus), etc.
I don’t know anyone who relocated to Pueblo and for good reason, there were never any decent jobs there. I do know more that a few people who LEFT Pueblo.
Not that familiar with the city but driving through on 25 makes me feel like I’m back in Cleveland.
Spot on! Its a depressing place. It even has shut down steel mills.
There are many situations in which it is risky to hire someone more qualified, brighter and more motivated than yourself. Especially if you care more about job security than the health of the entity you work for.
Yeah Sarah…dumb down America….and let china eat our lunch, what a great business model.
I didn’t say I thought it was a good thing. I just mentioned the realities of the situation.
i guess my sarcasm was a little off today….
I tried to hire some really bright assistants, long ago, and my ceo warned me against it! He thought there would be too much competition..hell I didn’t care. Sheesh.
“Overqualified Really Means…We want to hire a MORON”
Not necessarily…
Once upon a time I was in charge of hiring. I didn’t hire overqualified people because they tended not to last very long. It took us three months to bring someone up to speed on the job, which is about how long the overqualifieds would last before moving on. A few times I had overqualifieds foisted upon me by others. The overqualifieds had a snobbish tendencies towards their fellow employees - even though they themselves brought nothing to the table - which did not make for a positive work environment.
That’s very true. After 2 months it’s, “this isn’t what I want to do with my DEGREE!” One gal sold herself as a marketing guru, promised she’d whip the department into shape, but was gone in 3 days. Another said she was a hardware expert, but only dealt with “big iron” (mainframes) so she didn’t get hired.
Then again, I don’t know if these people were really “overqualified” either. Just arrogant, maybe.
On the other hand, nobody wants to hire a sexist jerk.
“‘Our inventory has slowed down considerably in the past 60 days. That’s a good sign,’ he said.”
Kinda like how the tide going way, WAY down is a good sign.
Kinda like how the tide going way, WAY down is a good sign.
Has anyone else been to the Bay of Fundy between New Brunswick and Nova Scotia? It’s renowned for its extreme tides.
What happens is that at low tide, the water goes way, way, WAY out. Then, a few hours later, it’s high tide, and you’d better get outta the way.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/business/buy-rent-calculator.html?ref=business
Anybody seen this? Better to buy or rent calculator
Let the criticism begin
My problem with these calculators is that it doesn’t factor in the risk of having to bring cash to the table if you have to sell after 5 - 6 years and property prices have declined.
Also, the risk of paying a mortgage on a $350,000 property worth only $250,000 after a couple of years, isn’t addressed as well.
Sounds like a programming challenge for our HBB code warriors. I could design a pretty interface for it. Anyone up for crunching the code?
Also, the risk of paying a mortgage on a $350,000 property worth only $250,000 after a couple of years, isn’t addressed as well.
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I think it is as you can make the “Annual Home Price Change” field negative. But only up to -10% per year vs 30% positive. SNARK!
Calculator may have been designed by the NAR
No reason house prices should rise faster than rents, both should follow the overall inflation rate.
Maintenance costs seem way understated, less than a half percent of the purchase price. My experience owning two very different homes over nearly 50 years is that maintenance costs run about 2% of purchanse price.
Will
Id’bet the ranch, the calculatoer was sanctioned by the NAHB and NAR, to “bias” people in to buying Mccrapshacks (no offense to McDonalds)…