The path we were on was the path that led to doom. Now we are taking another path. A depression is the price that needs to be paid for taking this new path.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-05-23 07:17:30
“The path we were on was the path that led to doom. Now we are taking another path. A depression is the price that needs to be paid for taking this new path.”
Sounds a lot like religion. Are we mixing our myths? Is America’s belief in born-again Christianity tinging our economic theory?
‘Only through complete collapse and rebirth can we find the New Way…’
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-05-23 08:30:50
“No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.”
So long as the Taliban doesn’t gain the upper hand, at least…
I wish someone would tell that to the people who run the grocery store.
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Comment by Left Ohio
2011-05-23 07:52:36
Stagflation: it’s what’s for breakfast
Comment by polly
2011-05-23 10:28:45
Just keep checking those grocery store ciculars for mistakes. I got three 20 ounce packages of 93/7 ground turkey for the sale price of a 3 pound package of 85/15 ground turkey. Smaller store doesn’t even carry the package that was on sale and the manager on duty wanted me to leave his store happy.
Unfortunately not a particularly efficient solution to higher prices, especially if you are feeding more than one person.
According to the National Association of Realtors’ Housing Affordability Index — an industry-standard — more people can afford to buy a house with today’s average income levels, current housing prices and mortgage rates than at any other time in the index’s 40-year history.
Prior to this recent recession, the index had never traveled above 160 — which translates into an average national medium family income of 160% of the mortgage-qualifying rate for a median-priced home. Today, that number is 192.
Did the NAR perform the same magic trick that the CAR (California) and switch in 2004 from using 20% down to 3% down in order to soften the impact of rising home prices on the affordability index?
Wow, he is SO right! I haven’t been looking for years and its time now because an article told me! I’m off to CountryWide to get a mortgage! Waive inspections!!! Get a HELOC to install granite countertops!! I’m gonna be rich!
Assuming the same methodology was used over the past 40 years, doesn’t anyone see this as good news? I realize not all markets have corrected to this degree, but isn’t the fact that housing overall is as affordable as it has been since the 1960’s exactly what we were all hoping would happen when this correction began?
And no, I’m not a realtor and I don’t own multiple houses. I do however live in Phoenix so my view of the current state of the housing marked may be clouded by what I see around me.
Yes. This is what we were all hoping would happen…prices crash, making homes more affordable.
That’s why John Paulson (the guy who make all the money shorting the housing market) said in September of 2010:
“If you don’t own a home, buy one. If you own one home, buy another one, and if you own two homes buy a third and lend your relatives the money to buy a home.”
Of course, he went long residential land in a fairly big way, so he is talking up his positions to some extent…
…but on the other hand, the math is the math.
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Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-05-23 12:32:16
REALT-WHORE ALERT
Drag yer a$$ you lying realtor. If you can’t drag it, pick it up and carry it. GTFO.
Comment by FED Up
2011-05-23 14:54:39
It’s not hard to make money shorting the market if you are stacking the deck.
At least in my area (Chicago), the large number of distressed homes selling are contributing to the lower median price and making homes appear more “afforadable” than they really are. Many of these homes are in poor condition and smaller.
The listing prices for homes in decent shape are not off much from the bubbly highs.
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-05-23 16:05:03
Good quality homes here (SF Bay Area near the $ in Silicon Valley) are about 25-30% off the peak. Farther out, you get good quality homes at 50% off peak or more.
Those good quality homes at 50% off peak are getting harder and harder to come by.
The median is still impacted to the negative based on the poor quality of what is on the market, but I would say that most sellers have gotten far more realistic on values (much more so farther out).
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-05-23 17:38:34
So what is a “home”?
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-05-24 09:09:08
Sorry, not a realtor. I work for a real estate investment company, but no sales license. In other words, I invest money into real estate, and make money when I buy low/sell high. I don’t try to convince people to buy houses for a commission.
And to respond to your question, a “home” is a place to live and raise a family.
I’m a data driven person who believes in supply/demand setting prices, which is why I was bearish on housing in our office for YEARS. There was too much supply, priced highly, and demand was inflated with cheap money for everyone.
The data doesn’t show the same reasons to be bearish today. Demand is artificially depressed based on sentiment, and home building has been so depressed for so long as to make the “glut of supply” argument solely based on the perception that foreclosures are good competition for well-maintained homes, as opposed to what they really are, a major reason for continued negative sentiment.
Another Monday in the life of a …ugh….. Renter…….pipe under sink is rotting out….aluminum foil and duct tape is not working anymore…..time for a plumber on the landlords dime.
Look on the bright side: you could be in Joplin, MO right now.
Which reminds me of a poster (I forget who it was) who, a few years ago, opined that he didn’t want to pay for Florida’s hurricanes through his insurance, since he lived in flyover country. While I understand the sentiment, it would appear that, with the exception of certain parts of the Pacifice Northwest, maybe the Dakotas and Montana, and some areas of Western New York/New England, pretty much most of the country has to deal with some sort of natural disaster: fires, floods, quakes, hurricanes, tornados, etc. About the only thing we don’t have are volcanos.
North Dakota has had major flooding in recent years. South Dakota…I looked at a job there once (Sioux Falls) and just couldn’t picture myself living there. Plus the home prices were higher than I expected. Montana will be great until the Yellowstone Caldera blows. Of course when that happens, North America is basically screwed.
Amen. That is a 5 dollar 5 minute fix for anyone that is remotely handy. Heck even I’ve installed a P trap in my day and I’d consider myself marginally handy at best. Even if you’ve never done it, take it apart, look at the pieces, take them to a hardware store, buy replacements for those that are broken, and put it back together the same way you took it apart. You can use that process for lots of things that break/wear out in a house. Saves you money and you get to learn something along the way!
When those annual maintenance fees end up costing more than a stay at a good hotel, it just doesn’t make sense. My inlaws gave away a timeshare they owned back in the early 90’s.
Disney’s going all out with their “Vacation Club”. The timeshare is basically a hotel room (not even a condo). You pay big bucks to buy in, and the annual fees are also big.
It appears to be a winner for Disney as they continue to build and sell them (they are usually wings in their existing “resort hotels” in Orlando.
I enjoy an ocassional Disney trip, but every year? That could get old after a while.
Then again there are annual passholders in California who literally step through the turnstiles more than 100 times a year.
I can even get wanting to spend some time in a place where the trash gets picked up all the time and the employees are a little better trained than average, but twice a week?
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Comment by Steve J
2011-05-23 12:04:06
When I was a kid I had a season pass to 6 Flags and went everyday with my friends in the summer time.
Ah, I would have more privacy then. Shell Vacations Clubs. Timeshares these days are not necessarily in the same location. Accommodations are great. In Kauai my place was on the perimeter of the property on the second floor. 7 days, slept with sliding glass doors ( both) open. Ocean waves lulling me to sleep. Also spent a week on Kona. Nice!
I guess I’m one of them and of course you obviously know who I am and my family and who I work for and where I went to school. You know that I am one of those 7 million suckers. But I am glad I own my time share.
Same deal works with those who have vacation homes. But much worse. They leave them vacant eight months out of the year and just for the bragging rights that they have second homes.
Couple makes $150k/year and defaults on $240,000 mortgage.
Expect to see alot more of this…
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Sinking values prompting homeowners to consider strategic default as best business decision
Slight drop in strategic defaults unlikely to last as more people do the math, see they can’t recover and make a business decision to walk away from their mortgage, even if it ruins their credit
“I did a lot of soul-searching about whether it was morally the right thing to do,” he said. “I felt there was no moral obligation to make a payment. The contract says it’s a financial obligation, not a moral obligation.
“I was in a boat with a slow leak. It was manageable, but I know I was slowly sinking.”
The decision to walk, tied to a housing crisis that continues to grip the market, is far-reaching, raising serious questions about whether financial commitments can ever be considered optional.
Earlier this month, CoreLogic reported that as of the end of March, home prices had declined for eight consecutive months, and more than 11 million borrowers nationally were underwater, which means they owe more on their mortgages than the home is worth. It’s difficult to predict just how many of those borrowers may opt for default, but FICO, the widely used credit scoring system, recently developed a formula to help lenders pinpoint borrowers who might default.
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“The fact that others are doing it doesn’t make it moral, because a borrower signed a contract that said he will pay,” Zingales said. And the problem is bigger than individual borrowers, he adds. “The cost long-term to society is”……
A foreclosure … decreasing a credit score as much as 250 points, a drop that it may take an otherwise creditworthy consumer up to seven years to recoup. That lower score will affect a consumer’s ability to access additional credit, whether it is credit cards, an automobile or rental housing. Landlords pull credit reports too. Auto insurance premiums also would increase.
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Is Illinois a recourse state?
We’re seeing a sea change in the jingle mail. People are realizing that we are in a “permanent downturn,” as HBB Doug in Boone NC said. Morals — yeah right, FB’s are now proud to give banks a shot of their own medicine. FICO drops — bah, an FB can prep for that and save the 401K. Auto insurance premiums — like a few hundred bucks is going to compare to $250K mort debt. “Long-term costs to society,” sure, go whine about society in your light bulb factory in China Mr. Welch.
Yes. I predict this guys debt will be sold, and he’ll be sued for the deficiency. Didn’t do his homework then, isn’t doing it now. And telling the paper all about it probably wasn’t the greatest idea either.
I’d buy that guy’s debt for less than a penny on the dollar, the rate it’s being sold elsewhere.
Dang. Thanks Bill and Alpha. I’m surprised — the FB seemed to have some savvy, but evidently he didn’t check the state laws? Sloppy.
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Comment by oxide
2011-05-23 09:10:33
here’s a great quote from the comment section:
“Illinois is a ‘deficiency judgment’ state…so yes, the bank can come after you for the difference between how much you owe and how much they recouped by selling the collateral. One of the rumors going around is that even if the banks don’t bother to try to collect on the deficiency amount, they will sell the ‘note’ to debt collectors for pennies on the dollar. The debt collectors can wait years at which point you may have built up assets again…”
That last part scare the sh*t out of me. 10-15 years from now, all these people are going to be in troble again. Thank GOD I didn’t buy…
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-05-23 14:14:12
“That last part scare the sh*t out of me. 10-15 years from now, all these people are going to be in trouble again. ”
Really? It scares the sh*t out of you? It gives me a warm squishy.
The next super big change will be very soon when banks renew credit cards at a default rate and people just walk away from paying.
What? you mean 18 years of paying on time sometimes in full..never late, never over limit, never took a cash advance..and i deserve a 20.99% rate….skrew U i can live without your card.
“…because a borrower signed a contract that said he will pay”
I don’t think any home owner signs a contract that says “I will pay”. There are penalties outlined in the contract and governed by state laws that specify exactly what happens if a person doesn’t pay. Those penalties should be weighed against the benefit of walking away and a decision made as to what’s in your best interest. That’s it. Strategic default in a recourse state doesn’t seem like a great strategy, but maybe some people think the chance that they won’t get sued is worth the risk. In non-recourse states, it’s kind of a no brainer. And contrary to popular belief, refinancing does not make a loan recourse. It does in California which may be why many people believe it is true everywhere, but in Arizona, a refinanced loan only becomes recourse if cash is taken out. And the the law is unclear whether or not the full amount becomes recourse or just the cash out part. That will have to be decided in a court.
Thank you for that Max. I can see why only cash-out refi’s are recourse. However, anyone who was smart enough to re-fi and not take cash out probably isn’t underwater anyway. They are just enjoying lower interest rates.
“raising serious questions about whether financial commitments can ever be considered optional.”
Yes, we can!
Seriously, though, if I were underwater at this point in history, I’d probably take a walk myself, after a little careful planning. The example for this is being set from above. Any person with half a brain looks around and sees that the “rule of law” has been made a mockery of by such things as TARP, lack of prosecution of Wall Street fraudsters, massive illegal immigration, phony wars, ballooning deficit, etc. About the only thing that seems unforgivable is a good sex scandal.
“Likier put almost 20 percent down to purchase a $312,000 townhouse in Westmont in 2006 and lived there until two years ago, when he remarried and bought a home in Chicago Ridge.”
Homeownership is for people who expect to live someplace indefinately. If this guy was single and didn’t expect to stay that way, he had no business buying.
If he still wanted to live there, this wouldn’t be a problem.
From the article:
>Landlords pull credit reports too. Auto insurance premiums also would increase.
Put yourself in the position of a future landlord or insurance underwriter. If strategic defaults become commonplace, would you still be biased against these folks?
Maybe there will turn out to be a correlation between a strategic default and poor driving. I sort of doubt it. I’m *guessing* that people with poor credit scores might typically be more likely to file theft/damage claims, which might be cause for higher premiums. If it turns out that no such correlation exists with strategic defaulters, then the insurance companies will figure that out and - to stay competitive - will adjust rates appropriately.
As a (former) landlord, I could even see myself looking at a strategic default as a positive… here’s a guy who was responsible enough to buy a house, and smart enough not to go down with his sinking ship.
What will the banks turn to next, if they can’t threaten us with a “lower credit score?”
They may not walk as quick, if you compare a $150K Flyover house vs. a $500K Cali bubble house. But if it drops to $100K, and/or they lose their job, they will walk.
Plenty of evidence around here to back that statement up.
Yep, they will see things in the context of their neighbors/neighborhood. What the price of their house was in relation to some distant house, in say CA, is near meaningless when they see themselves falling behind their peers.
How does a person with a $240,000 mortgage end up with monthly payments of $4700?
It’s amazing that this guy and his wife can be such morons and still make a combined $150k per year. I hope the mortgage holder keeps after them until they get every penny that’s owed.
Illinois plan to cut mortgage debt is making waves
Marketwatch.com
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — A pilot program close to getting off the ground in Illinois seeks to use $100 million in taxpayer dollars to help potentially thousands of troubled mortgage holders in the state who owe more than their homes are worth.
Backers of the program, which needs the approval of the U.S. Treasury Department to move forward, argue that it will stabilize neighborhoods, reduce foreclosures, help the economic recovery and ultimately cost taxpayers nothing. Opponents insist it will leave taxpayers on the hook and drive better-off homeowners to engage in so-called strategic default, leading to more foreclosures and less stability.
‘Stem the flow’
The program’s supporters also argue that struggling borrowers who are no longer underwater will have an incentive to continue paying their mortgages, rather than to abandon the home as many have been doing.
“We have got to stem the flow of more [housing] supply coming into the marketplace by keeping families in their home,” said Bill Goldsmith, president of Mercy Portfolio Services, on of the architects of the approach. “Lots of these families have a lot of back end debt that could drive them out of the home.”
Illinois can repurpose that IBM commercial from a few years ago where the barbarian ‘consultant’ proposes to a table of kings that the solution to their problems is contained in the large, clanking bag is placed onto a catapult by the management expert.
“Whats that?” asks the King.
“Money” replies the consultant.
“And what are you planning on doing with it?” responds the King
“Throw it at the problem.” our consultant replies smugly.
Lenders are creating glut of foreclosed homes: NYT
TEL AVIV (MarketWatch) - Banks and lenders are piling up foreclosed homes, creating a glut that could deepen the housing-market slump and slow the economic recovery, The New York Times reported on Monday. Citing data from RealtyTrac, the Irvine, Calif., consultants, the paper reported that banks and lenders own more than 872,000 homes, almost twice the number they had when the financial crisis started in 2007. Another 1 million homes are in the foreclosure process and the lenders may take several million more in coming years, the Times reported. Economists told the paper that the glut could create a vicious circle by depressing home prices and leading to more distressed home sales.
‘Economists told the paper that the glut could create a vicious circle by depressing home prices and leading to more distressed home sales’
This just in; the HBB tried to tell anyone who would listen this was happening a long time ago, and where it would lead.
The really remarkable thing about it is, anyone could have told you where it would lead. In this age, it is amazing that we let the media and govt try to fool us into believing that kicking the can down the road is a solution. But this country does it over and over.
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Comment by measton
2011-05-23 08:07:17
When a person’s sense of wealth and security is dependent on them seeing things a certain way they are much easier to fool.
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-05-23 10:23:21
Sometimes a slow slide is better than a hard fall.
They arn’t making anymore land in Israel or the West Bank.
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Comment by oxide
2011-05-23 08:37:05
+1. I’m not sure whether it’s amusing or pathetic that the fight is bascially no longer about religion and is now about suburban sprawl.
Comment by In Colorado
2011-05-23 09:59:05
Over there its about who controls the land. From a bird’s eye view they don’t look all that different from each other. Even their religions are similar.
Comment by Bad Chile
2011-05-23 10:23:45
Land = water. And the Israelis were the first to pick up on that. Hence, the uproar about the proposal to return to ‘67 borders.
Comment by polly
2011-05-23 11:09:52
Border issues always were about land, not religion, despite the fact that the loudest settlers tend to be religious. It wasn’t always about suburban sprawl, but always about land.
A Palestinian right of return is about long term demographics and so it is a nationalism thing.
Control of the old city part of Jerusalem is the only one of the three main issues that is about religion and even that one is partially about land.
Comment by ahansen
2011-05-23 11:26:07
Chile=100% correct.
It’s not about land, or religion, or even urban sprawl. It’s about who controls the wells and aquifers.
Take a look at the border sometime. The gerrymandering would put Orange Country, CA. to shame….
California Atty. Gen. Kamala Harris, saying that years of unscrupulous lending still haunts the state, is creating a 25-person task force to target mortgage fraud of any size — from small operations that preyed on troubled borrowers to corporations that sold risky loans as safe investments.
The team of 17 lawyers and eight special agents from the state Department of Justice will pursue three major areas, Harris said in an interview:
•Corporate fraud, including instances in which bundled mortgages were sold as securities to the state or its pension funds under false pretenses. Harris said her office plans to prosecute some cases under California’s False Claims Act, which she described as “one of those very powerful tools that California uniquely has … to pursue, in essence, what are false claims that are submitted to the state.”
•Scams, including instances in which consultants, lawyers and others took fees from people in foreclosure, saying they would help the homeowners get loan modifications or other remedies, but delivered nothing.
•Fraudulent lending practices, including deceptive marketing, failure to fully disclose loan terms and qualifying people for loans who couldn’t afford the terms.
Harris said the mortgage fraud that ultimately led to the housing crash continues to be a drag on the state, causing huge losses in jobs, property values and state revenues.
“We are looking at a situation of up to $640 billion in wealth having been lost because of this wave of foreclosures that has hit the state,” Harris said, referring to the decline in homeowner equity. “There is a direct connection” between mortgage fraud “and the issue that we are challenged with in terms of our state budget crisis.”
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In November 2009, Attorney General Eric Holder vowed before television cameras to prosecute those responsible for the market collapse a year earlier, saying the U.S. would be “relentless” in pursuing corporate criminals.
In the 18 months since, no senior Wall Street executive has been criminally charged, and some lawmakers are questioning whether the U.S. Justice Department has been aggressive enough after declining to bring cases against officials at American International Group Inc. (AIG) and Countrywide Financial Corp.
Prosecutions of three categories of crime that could be linked to the causes of the crisis — corporate, securities and bank fraud — declined last fiscal year by 39 percent from 2003, the period after the accounting scandals at Enron Corp. and WorldCom Inc., Justice Department records show.
“You need a massive prosecutorial effort,” said Solomon Wisenberg, a white-collar defense attorney at Barnes & Thornburg LLP in Washington and a former federal prosecutor. “I don’t see evidence that it’s happening. If we were talking baseball, it would be at the AAA level.”
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“You need a massive prosecutorial effort,” said Solomon Wisenberg, a white-collar defense attorney at Barnes & Thornburg LLP in Washington and a former federal prosecutor.”
Yeah, this guy’s probably pissed because billable hours are down. Now, if there was a “massive prosecutorial effort”, his firm would probably be raking it in.
The Bail Outs were designed to mask the crimes of the Culprits .
Hank Paulson wasn’t sweating bullets because of his dedication to America . Biggest Obstruction of Justice case in Recent History .
Can anyone tell me what, if anything, Eric Holder has accomplished in the 2.5 years he’s been Attorney General? Besides sue Arizona for their attempt to give their guys the tools to do the job that the Feds won’t do?
Well he did decide that it is not against the law if you hang outside polling places, in a military-type uniforms, with clubs and spout racist comments.
State attorneys general are stepping up their investigations of mortgage-industry practices by probing for potential misdeeds when banks originated home loans and packaged them into securities, according to people familiar with the examinations.
New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has issued subpoenas to four bond-insurance companies as part of his expanding probe of mortgage-securitization practices, people familiar with the matter said.
At the same time, California Attorney General Kamala D. Harris is expected to announce Monday a new law-enforcement effort aimed at mortgage-industry practices, people familiar with the initiative said. The effort will cover a range of activities, from loan origination to the packaging of mortgages into securities, and will include both civil and criminal prosecutions, these people said.
Mr. Schneiderman has issued subpoenas to units of Ambac Financial Group Inc., Assured Guaranty Ltd., MBIA Inc. and Syncora Holdings Ltd., people familiar with the investigation said.
The bond insurers aren’t the subject of the investigation, these people added, but have been asked to provide information about their dealings with banks that packaged mortgage loans into securities. Bond insurers provided guarantees on a variety of mortgage-related products and have suffered heavy losses as a result of the mortgage meltdown.
Mr. Schneiderman’s office has asked the bond insurers for information regarding claims paid to bond investors and about litigation and settlements the insurers have entered into with banks that packaged loans into securities, these people said.
An MBIA spokesman said the company plans to comply with the subpoena, which focuses on lawsuits filed by MBIA against banks that packaged loans into securities guaranteed by the company.
“Syncora did receive a subpoena from the New York Attorney General to provide certain information relating to mortgage loans, payments and potential settlements,” said a company spokesman, who declined to comment further.
A spokeswoman for Assured Guaranty declined to comment on whether the company had received a subpoena. “We support the Attorney General with their investigation, which will hopefully accelerate the resolution of mortgage-origination, -securitization and -servicing problems,” she said.
A spokesman for Ambac declined to comment.
The subpoenas are the latest sign of how state and federal officials are stepping up their scrutiny of the mortgage machine. Federal prosecutors, for instance, are using tools such as the Civil War-era False Claims Act in an effort to recoup government losses on soured mortgage loans. The tools available to Mr. Schneiderman include the state’s Martin Act, which doesn’t require prosecutors to prove intent to defraud. The Martin Act has been used by Mr. Schneiderman’s predecessors to address a variety of alleged misconduct by Wall Street.
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Would be nice. Unfortunately far more people are anxiously waiting for tonight’s DWTS than are waiting for bankster prosecutions.
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Comment by combotechie
2011-05-23 07:45:35
Yeah, well it’s early.
It took some time for the Watergate thing to really get rolling, it’ll be the same with this thing.
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-05-23 12:28:11
It took some time for the Watergate thing to really get rolling, it’ll be the same with this thing.
ISTR that Watergate didn’t really gain traction until the spring of 1973. If memory serves correctly, the key turning point was when Alexander Butterfield revealed the existence of the White House taping system.
State attorneys general are stepping up their investigations of mortgage-industry practices by probing for potential misdeeds when banks originated home loans and packaged them into securities,
Ho ho, hah hah, hehehehehehe, BwaHaHaAhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower™)
HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — China’s factory activity is set to cool further in May, according to a preliminary PMI survey released Monday, as companies cut back orders amid tighter monetary policy and high commodity prices.
Leaders of Japan, China and South Korea meet to speed up preparations for a three-way free-trade pact, while the private-equity world is abuzz over yuan-denominated funds.
The news helped send markets across Asia sharply lower as investors scrambled to gauge the impact of weakening Chinese factory orders and what that could be signaling about the health of the global recovery.
An early reading of China’s manufacturing activity indicates that it slowed to a 10-month low in May, according to the results of the survey conducted by HSBC.
Monday’s “flash” release, compiled from a smaller base than the regular PMI, is designed to give a glimpse of what the broader survey will reveal next week. The preliminary survey showed that momentum slowed to 51.1 from the April reading of 51.8.
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The news helped send markets across Asia sharply lower as investors scrambled to gauge the impact of weakening Chinese factory orders and what that could be signaling about the health of the global recovery.
Funny thing about “consumers”. They need good paying jobs to be able to affords to buy “wants”.
Strangely they say “as companies cut back orders amid tighter monetary policy and high commodity prices,” and don’t talk about demand.
Demand seems as high as ever for low-end stuff necessities. Yesterday, Wally World was packed. I felt bad going there but they are the only store that carries plastic freezer “jars” (made in China). The plastic cups are all I bought and I paid cash-money, so I hope I didn’t promote that much slave labor…
We have a Wally World that isn’t ghetto in our town, and I ocassionaly go there (they have a $25 oil change).
Even though this Wally World is on the “right side of the tracks” in our little burg I don’t see people “snapping up” flat panel TVs and other higher items like in the past.
NYT: “Glut of foreclosed homes threatens housing market”
“All told, they own more than 872,000 homes as a result of the groundswell in foreclosures, almost twice as many as when the financial crisis began in 2007, according to RealtyTrac, a real estate data provider. In addition, they are in the process of foreclosing on an additional one million homes and are poised to take possession of several million more in the years ahead.”
“The reasons for the backlog include inadequate staffs and delays imposed by the lenders because of investigations into foreclosure practices.”
Dump the homes or create some jobs for staff to manage them. Offset the higher labor costs or greater loss reserves by paying smaller bonsues to executives, a-holes.
It would have been SOOO much cheaper in the long term to actually do the paperwork correctly in the first place, than it is now to deal with the mess that they made.
What is this BS about recovery of this economy . How can you have recovery when you haven’t changed or solved the reasons for the crash and
crisis to begin with .Jobless recovery in a consumer base economy ,I think not . Real estate recovery when the prices were fake to begin with ,I think not . Job creation,I think not ,only more lay offs ,more out-sourcing ,more
money going to the top . Wall Street/Banks put in their place and their faulty bubble creating casinos shut down ,not happening . Health care costs
addressed ,not happening . Health care monopoly addressed ,not happening. Who are the losers ….guess who .
Its like watching a exercise in futility when the Powers that be continue to hold on to their kill the host ,transfer the pain ,hold on to insanity
plans . Who are all these jerks trying to kid .
Exactly. Without phony lending available for people with lousy credit there wouldn’t be a auto industry here. How many families can honestly afford to operate and depreciate a $35k automobile?
Its like watching a exercise in futility when the Powers that be continue to hold on to their kill the host ,transfer the pain ,hold on to insanity plans . Who are all these jerks trying to kid ?
The masses keep hoping that the “bounce back” is around the corner, but they are beginning to see the truth. This time there won’t even be a fake bounce. No amount of stim cash will bring a fake “bounce” this time. It’s hang on to your hat and keep your head above water.
“Consumers” will continue to refuse to consume. Its kind of hard to buy or lease that $40K car when you don’t have a dime to spare. Gotta love globalization! The world has never produced more goods. Too bad no one can afford to buy them.
Steve Sailer’s critique of an article from The American Spectator that neglects one of the major reasons for the housing meltdown. Not sure if Wallison (the author) is that ignorant, or most likely, he’s afraid to discuss the role government (specifically Clinton and Bush) had in urging lending institutions to hand out money to minorities, in order to increase minority home-ownership. Another reminder that PC makes you stupid.
Wow, your link went through the filter. Good on ya. Every time I try to post a link from that site (usually a Paul Craig Roberts article) it disappears into the HBB memory hole. Made me think it was censored due to “hate”, but apparently not.
Takimag’s a good one, too, but more international in focus.
Sometimes I understand why TPTB go a little nutz. From my experience as prez of a HOA board, sometimes ya just wanna kick the sheeple in the azz. I think that was part of the reaction to being forced to lend to non-creditworthy folks. It’s like, OK, if that’s what you want, that’s what yer gonna get.
Vdare DOT com criticizes the Sons of Aztlan for coming to USA without documentation only because they are hard workers and want better life and try to put food on their families. Vdare is racist and you, palmetto-bug, are a racist for posting that link. Expect a knock on your door from AG Holder soon…
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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-05-23 13:17:38
Here in Southern Arizona, there’s quite the illegal immigration crackdown underway. I experienced it firsthand over the weekend.
And what was Arizona Slim up to? Well, I went out to a vegetable farm about 50 miles south of Tucson. The reason was that I was taking part in a “get to know your local farmers” event.
While there, I participated in a garlic harvest. Among my fellow harvesters were a group of refugees who were being assisted by a local non-profit org.
On the way back to Tucson, all traffic on a county road had to stop at a Border Patrol checkpoint.
There was no gettin’ around this, people. You had to stop. Or else the Border Patrol and Homeland Security people would open fire. (They were very well armed.)
This Border Patrol checkpoint is one of many throughout Southern Arizona. And it’s been widely publicized. To the point where, if you’re planning on going anywhere south of our fair city of Tucson, you’d better be carrying ID with you.
Well, one of the cars full of refugees got detained on the way back to Tucson. And the driver of the car I was in circled back to observe.
Things got heated between one of the non-profit org’s people and a Border Patrol officer. I couldn’t tell what the trouble was all about, but I think the gal was trying to make some sort of political statement to the Border Patrol officer. Bad move on her part.
The officer finally let them go, but I couldn’t help thinking that this non-profit could have alerted the refugees about the checkpoint. As in, if they need to bring their paperwork, tell ‘em exactly what to bring.
The director of the non-profit, who was not along for this event, was, in my opinion, derelict in her duty. Why? Because of the behavior of the lady who got into it with the Border Patrol officer. She should have had training on how to keep a cool head around law enforcement.
On the way back to Tucson, the driver of the car I was in regaled me with stories about this non-profit. From what I could gather, it appears to be a one-woman show. And she’s overwhelmed. But she won’t delegate.
In short, it seems like so many other non-profits here. In that it is well-intentioned but poorly managed.
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-05-23 14:25:24
In short, it seems like so many other non-profits here. In that it is well-intentioned but poorly managed.
You make small non-profits sound kind of like the lefty version of small J6P businesses. Existing mostly to allow their “owner” “be their own boss”.
Comment by Steve J
2011-05-23 15:29:51
You are not required by law to produce any ID or paper work at the permanent CBP stops. Nor answer any questions. They must have probable cause to search.
Um, kind of. Except a more accurate way to put it would be to shift the blame to GW Bush and Clinton for making the goal of increasing minority homeownership a priority, instead of the minorities themselves. And now, most who write about the bubble won’t even mention it, because people tend to get cowardly when discussing anything that sniffs of race and ethnicity.
I think they quit writing about it because the only evidence they had was pitiful propaganda produced by the Kochtopus-funded Cato Institute, and the like- see 2banana’s post below.
tribunactdotcom
“… the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission established by Congress concluded in January that the 1977 law designed to prevent redlining was “not a significant factor in subprime lending or the crisis.”
The bipartisan commission also found that the affordable housing goals “contributed marginally” to purchase of risky mortgages by Fannie and Freddie.
Federal Reserve data show that 84 percent of mortgages purchased by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac between 2004 and 2009 had been made to whites, with 8 percent going to Hispanics and 5 percent to African-Americans. For loans to comply with CRA, 68 percent went to whites, 15 percent to Hispanics and 12 percent to African- Americans—hardly enough volume from minorities to cause the housing crisis.”
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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-05-23 14:36:50
When ah think of all those poor white people- forced to buy new bass boats and pick-up trucks and take vacations to Hawaii every year with their home equity credit-lines- I weep for our nation, and how the minorities forced their corruption on all of us.
*snicker*
Comment by Wolf
2011-05-24 07:43:50
Minorities accounted for twice as many subprime dollars borrowed per capita than did whites. At least in Mass. http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/ppdp/2008/ppdp0806.pdf
I’m not saying minority defaults are the biggest reason or the only reason, but a major reason.
Comment by Wolf
2011-05-24 07:47:20
Washington Mutual was a major player in minority outreach, er “overreach.” http://www.thefreelibrary.com/That’s+affordable:+Seattle-based+Washington+Mutual+has+built+a…-a0110618317
One government intervention was the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). This sleepy act was greatly expanded during the Clinton administration to compel banks to give mortgages to people that could not qualify for a traditional “old fashion” mortgages so that home ownership would be enhanced (Footnote 22).
Additionally, Janet Reno, the attorney General of the Clinton Administration, directly threatened bankers for any fair lending violations (of the CRA) by stating that “no loan is exempt, no bank is immune. For those (bankers) who thumb their nose at us, I promise vigorous enforcement” (Footnote 21).
NEW YORK (TheStreet) — These days the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission are investigating Wall Street using tactics, such as wire taps, usually reserved for professional criminals and terrorists.
Apparently, those agencies recognize what the Treasury and the Federal Reserve simply won’t admit: Insider trading, robo foreclosures and peddling dodgy securities to unsuspecting investors are old-fashioned fraud. These practices handicap American capitalism in global competition and undermine prosperity.
In February 1998, the S&P 500 first closed higher than 1000. Since then, corporate profits are up about 210% percent, but equities have risen less than 35%. Corporate profits rose 6% annually, but investing in stocks paid a disappointing 2.3% a year.
Buying stocks doesn’t seem to pay, because too much of the profits created by innovators with ordinary investors’ capital is captured by hedge funds, Wall Street trading desks, private equity houses, aggressive M&A shops, and then paid to Wall Street executives and traders.
In the drive for ever bigger compensation packages, Wall Street’s best and brightest violate boundaries of ethical behavior and the law. Not all of our problems can be laid on Wall Street’s steps, but its culture of entitlement and sharp practices impose enormous burdens.
Huge Wall Street incomes, juiced by duping investors, deprive pension funds and ordinary investors of the returns they are due on their stocks.
The absence of significant appreciation in equities for more than a decade means that many retirees dependent on IRAs and other defined contributions vehicles can no longer live comfortably, and many baby boomers who have been pushed into such pension vehicles can’t retire. Their money may be working hard, but only for Wall Street titans and not for them.
It is sound public policy to encourage workers to save for retirement, instead of relying on the promise of a defined benefit pension from an employer that may ultimately disappear, but contributions-defined pensions simply can’t work without a stock market that generates returns that follow the growth of corporate profits.
>These days the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission are investigating Wall Street using tactics, such as wire taps, usually reserved for professional criminals and terrorists.
Wall Street is the definition of professional criminals, is it not?
Not all criminals receive their penalty in this world, but mistakes are punished mercilessly, and without exception. Wallstreet does not make mistakes, just errors.
In February 1998, the S&P 500 first closed higher than 1000. Since then, corporate profits are up about 210% percent, but equities have risen less than 35%. Corporate profits rose 6% annually, but investing in stocks paid a disappointing 2.3% a year.
Buying stocks doesn’t seem to pay, because too much of the profits created by innovators with ordinary investors’ capital is captured by hedge funds, Wall Street trading desks, private equity houses, aggressive M&A shops, and then paid to Wall Street executives and traders.
I’d add the CEO class steals much of the wealth as well.
If you buy stocks at a high P/E then your rate of return suffers. Buy stocks at a low P/E and your rate of return does well.
“Corporate profits rose 6% annually, but investing is stocks paid a disappointing 2.3 % a year.”
IOW, the fundamental value of the stocks increased but the price didn’t, which means the P/E slid down a bit. A continuation of this trend will set up an outstanding buying situation for those who are patient.
“Apparently, those agencies recognize what the Treasury and the Federal Reserve simply won’t admit: Insider trading, robo foreclosures and peddling dodgy securities to unsuspecting investors are old-fashioned fraud. These practices handicap American capitalism in global competition and undermine prosperity.”
That seems quite generous. It seems the Fed has failed in its financial regulatory role, and others are stepping up to protect the American people from the scepter of systemic Wall Street fraud.
Home Sellers Provide Last-Resort Loans
Bloomberg Businessweek
Sue and Douglas Reed knew no bank would give them a mortgage — not with a bankruptcy and two foreclosures fresh in their credit history. They turned to Hilarie Walters, whose childhood home on 15 acres in Marshall, Mich., had been on the market since 2009, a year after she inherited it. Walters agreed in December to sell the property to the Reeds for $105,000. She also consented to a risky payment plan that in effect makes her the couple’s mortgage lender. “They’re paying me interest every month, but I’d rather have the money and be done with it,” says Walters, an unemployed single mother who is using their payments to cover the mortgage on her Battle Creek (Mich.) residence. “It does make me nervous.”
Financing provided by sellers, popular in the 1980s when mortgage rates reached 18 percent, is making a comeback in markets such as Michigan that have been hit hard by foreclosures and where tightening lending standards and years of economic distress have drained the pool of creditworthy buyers. For a small but growing number of people, it’s the only way to get a deal done. “Anytime the market is in this much trouble, people have to find ways to get it to function,” says Dennis Capozza, a professor of finance at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.
I post rarely, but wanted to give some information on an “estate sale” I attended this weekend. It was a typical McMansion, a big 12 room house on a small plot of land with an unusable front yard due to the high sloop. I would think a lawn mower would almost have to be tied to a rope to mow the front yard. The driveway had a steep slope which would make going up it in winter hard due to snow and ice. The inside had 2 staircases, and a 2 story entrance way.
There were really nice items inside the house, mostly decorated in the colonial style. There were many pieces of Wedgewood, Waterford Crystal light fixtures, mahogany furniture, oil paintings, etc. There was a hot tub for sale for ‘only’ $3,000 as the ‘new owners had children and didn’t want it for safety reasons.’ The sub-zero refrigerator was for sale for $4,500, along with the washer and dryer. All the expensive window draperies were for sale. Even though the ad said credit cards were accepted, the woman wanted cash unless the purchase was at least $500. Then she could put it through her store. Supposedly the house belong to her son.
Something didn’t ring quite right (selling appliances, light fixtures, chandelier, window dressings -things a purchaser might want) and thanks to this board I knew how to do research. The numbers following are rounded.
The house was purchased in 2006 for $792K. There are 2 mortgages totally 100% of the purchase price. The first one was $633K with an adjustable rate rider.
During that time, it was listed on and off for sale for @$900K. The new tax rate doesn’t support this price, rather something around $635K as this is a town where assessed value is close to actual selling value.
The ‘family’ purchasing this house is the mortgage company with a foreclosure date of 30 May 2011. Someone’s ‘getting out of Dodge’ as quickly with as much cash as possible.
I’m glad I rent even though I am amazed at people who life this lifestyle. It is what the board has said. There were many people who lived this way with credit.
“If we are out there undercutting prices, we are contributing to the downward spiral in market values,” said Eric Will, who oversees distressed home sales for Freddie Mac. “We want to make sure we are helping stabilize communities.”
Eventually, they are going to have to decide whether it is getting people into houses that is stabilizing or keeping the prices up that is stabilizing, because that word is used both ways and it makes interpreting the quotes an interesting exercise.
Ray Capuana paces the rows of cubicles in a haggard high-rise a stone’s throw from Wall Street as his people hustle the phones and hope for a bonus check.
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India’s outsourcing giants — faced with rising wages at home — have looked for growth opportunities in the United States. But with Washington crimping visas for visiting Indian workers, some companies such as Aegis are slowly hiring workers in North America, where their largest corporate customers are based. In this evolution, outsourcing has come home.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Some of the states that have drained their unemployment insurance funds are cutting the number of weeks that a laid-off worker can count on those benefits. Legislators are trying to limit tax increases for businesses to replenish the pool and are hoping the federal government keeps stepping in when the economy slumps.
Michigan, Missouri and Arkansas recently reduced the maximum number of weeks that the jobless can get state unemployment benefits. Florida is on the verge of doing so. Unemployment in those states ranges from 7.8 percent in Arkansas to 11.1 percent in Florida.
The benefit cuts come as legislatures deal with the damage that the recession inflicted on state unemployment insurance programs. The sharp increase in the number of people who lost their jobs drained the reservoir of money dedicated to paying out benefits.
About 30 states borrowed more than $44 billion from the federal government to continue payments to laid-off workers. Many states hastened the insolvency of their funds by keeping balances at historically low levels going into the downturn.
The burden of replenishing the funds and paying off the loans will fall primarily on businesses through higher taxes, but the benefit cuts are an effort to limit the tax increases.
States usually provide up to 26 weeks of benefits to laid-off workers. Michigan and Missouri have cut that to a maximum 20 weeks. Arkansas went to 25.
Florida is considering a more complex change that would link the duration of benefits to the strength of the economy. The cap would range from 23 weeks during periods of double-digit unemployment to as low as 12 weeks during periods of extremely low unemployment. The Florida Legislature approved the changes, but the governor hasn’t signed the bill.
Rueters
WASHINGTON – Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich says he and his wife are “very frugal,” live within their budget and have no debts.
But the former House speaker is keeping to himself about how they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars at Tiffany’s jewelry store.
A financial disclosure form filed by Callista Gingrich in 2006 and 2007 showed the couple owed from $250,000 to $500,000 to Tiffany & Co.
Uhh how is owning 250-500k having no debt? Maybe this is the problem our politicians don’t understand debt.
How is 250-500k on high end jewelry being frugal?? May be this is our problem our politicians don’t understand being frugal.
One really has to fathom just how dumb a move this is.
It’s not as if Newt is not already a target for the MSM. Now he readily and willingly supplies to the MSM ammo that they can use to shoot him down with.
“TrueHypocrite™” + “TrueColorsagain™” = “Trust us, “we” feel your pain, no, really “we” do,…and “we” know what is best for everyone, especially the poor & those without health insurance or a job.”
Instead of brain-storming a New Twit repubican “Contract-With-Americans vII” …maybe he ought to focus on his contract with Tiffany & Co. Inc.
“witnessed a sesmic change in the way clients ended their marriages. A number of women were divorcing, and we felt they made out pretty well when they got the house … It’s completely the opposite now. Often, the house is worth less than when it was bought, so there is no equity for either partner to start a new life”
With the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks looming, a federal lawsuit in Manhattan offers the possibility of resolving a central mystery about the attacks: Was Iran involved?
Former investigators on the 9/11 Commission, which uncovered tantalizing but inconclusive evidence of Tehran’s ties to the plot, tell The Daily Beast they welcome the lawsuit, because they believe the U.S. government has done little to follow up on the commission’s evidence of Iranian complicity.
The lawsuit, they say, may offer the best hope of getting to the truth about whether Iranian government officials had advance knowledge of the plot and worked with al Qaeda to make it easier for several of the hijackers to travel undetected in the year before the attacks.
The suit, brought in the United States District Court in Manhattan on behalf of the families of dozens of 9/11 victims, is promising testimony from three Iranian defectors, all of them identified as former members of Iran’s central spy agency, who will implicate Iran and its terrorist proxies in Lebanon in the Sept. 11 attacks.
“…promising testimony from three Iranian defectors…”
Oh, best be careful here. Please remember that Iraqi “defectors” played a pivotal role in selling the WMD scare in 2002-3. Or how former Nazi intelligence officers made postwar careers out of helping to stoke cold war fears on both sides. Those types are not to be trusted.
France and other members of a NATO-led coalition will use attack helicopters in Libya, French officials said on Monday, a step meant to hit Muammar Gaddafi’s forces more accurately from the air.
WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court on Monday narrowly endorsed reducing California’s cramped prison population by more than 30,000 inmates to fix sometimes deadly problems in medical care, ruling that federal judges retain enormous power to oversee troubled state prisons.
Hmm what happens when a bunch of criminals are released early into a society that can’t produce enough jobs and is cutting supportive services??
~Sounds like this fellow does not want to get elected.
Pawlenty: Real change is about telling hard truths
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Republican presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty hits the campaign trail this week with tough talk for both Wall Street and seniors, pledging an end to bailouts for big banks and changes for what he calls unsustainable entitlement programs.
“I’m going to New York City to tell Wall Street that if I’m elected, the era of bailouts and handouts for big banks is over,” wrote Pawlenty, a former governor of Minnesota. “I’m going to Florida to tell both young people and seniors that our entitlement programs are on an unsustainable path and have to be changed,” Pawlenty wrote. He also promised he’d speak “truthfully” about farm subsidies while in Iowa on Monday.
“We will grow our economy if we shrink our government.”
Amtrak Proving Popular with Price-Conscious Travelers:
Jason Gallagher Jason Gallagher – Sun May 22, 2011
Travelers have found a new way to get to their destinations. In a strange twist of popularity, what was once old is new again, and folks are taking the train more than ever. Amtrak ridership has increased for 18 consecutive months. In April, Amtrak carried almost 2.7 million passengers, which is almost ten percent more than April 2010. The popular rail service has now set ridership records in seven of the last eight fiscal years, according to Rail.co. Last year, Amtrak carried 28.7 million passengers to their destinations.
Here in Tucson, Amtrak stops during the wee hours of the morning. This proves to be a deterrent for quite a few people.
OTOH, for the more adventurous folks, a long wait for the train could prove to be quite enjoyable. After all, you could be dancing the night away at Club Congress, which is right across the street from the station. Then, after Club Congo closes, you can just boogie over to the station and hop on your train and sleep off the fun.
Illinois plan to cut mortgage debt is making waves
Would helping hand for ‘underwater’ borrowers make a difference?
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — A pilot program close to getting off the ground in Illinois seeks to use $100 million in taxpayer dollars to help potentially thousands of troubled mortgage holders in the state who owe more than their homes are worth.
Backers of the program, which needs the approval of the U.S. Treasury Department to move forward, argue that it will stabilize neighborhoods, reduce foreclosures, help the economic recovery and ultimately cost taxpayers nothing. Opponents insist it will leave taxpayers on the hook and drive better-off homeowners to engage in so-called strategic default, leading to more foreclosures and less stability. Read more on the higher costs associated with strategic default.
At issue is a proposal by Mercy Housing, a non-profit group that’s seeking to set up a mortgage stabilization fund using $100 million in capital from roughly $7.5 billion in taxpayer funds from the Troubled Asset Relief Program.
The funds have been allocated to 18 states designated as having been hit the hardest in the tidal wave of foreclosures, including Illinois, to create programs for delinquent homeowners. A portion of the funds is to go to state programs for borrowers with so-called underwater loans, which means they owe more than what the mortgage is worth usually because of a decline in home values.
Mercy Housing is seeking to use the fund to initially buy as many as 3,000 mortgages from underwater borrowers. Proponents say the loans — which are on the verge of foreclosure — can be bought at such a major discount from banks that balances could be reduced to levels below what the homes in question are worth.
News from the home rental market in my neighborhood (mid-Peninsula, Bay Area).
My landlord/neighbor just bought another house to rent (the math, doesn’t make sense, but he just wanted to control the property on the other side of his house–he now can control who both of his immediate neighbors are).
Anyway, it’s a 3/1, and needs a lot of help–he’s going to rehab the home later, but for now, he cleaned it up quickly, put it on Craigslist for rent, and he had it leased in a day.
Leasing in a day isn’t all that uncommon. When I rented the house on the other side of him in 2003, the listing came up on Craigslist on a Sunday morning, and by the time we saw it at about 10:00am that same day, we were second in line…we got lucky that the person in front of us declined to take the house.
Anyway, according to my landlord, the current rental market is significantly stronger than in 2003 (he owns a number of other properties as well, so he has a good context for judgement). The landlord said that he had people swarming his new acquisition almost immediately.
I’m moving out within the next month…he has told me not to tell people what he was charging me…I expect him to raise the rents for the next tenant by 10-25% over what I am paying. And I think he’ll get someone to pay it.
Utah Goes for Gold: State Puts Metal Coins on Par with the Dollar:
By Stacy Curtin | Daily Ticker / Yahoo
Utah has gone for gold — quite literally.
Last week the state became the first to pass legislation legalizing gold and silver as forms of currency. The law also exempts the coins — which are typically considered an investment — from capital gains taxes.
Utah is not alone in this desire for an alternative to the weakening U.S. dollar. There are about nine other states considering similar laws, including North Carolina and Idaho.
As the law stands, Utah retailers are not required to accept this new form of currency. Probably a good thing since placing a real-time value on gold coins would be particularly tricky…
That’s happens when you tell voters their “free” stuff is going away…
Zapatero’s Socialists Routed in Spanish Backlash Over Austerity Measures
By Emma Ross-Thomas - May 23, 2011
May 23 (Bloomberg) — Bloomberg’s Owen Thomas and Elliott Gotkine report on the prospects for Spain’s austerity program after Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero’s Socialist party suffered its worst defeat in more than 30 years in local elections.
Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero’s Socialist party had its worst electoral setback in more than 30 years, prompting a shift in regional power that risks swelling the public deficit.
Spanish bonds fell after results showed the opposition People’s Party won 38 percent of the vote in municipal elections yesterday, compared with 28 percent for the ruling Socialists. The Socialists lost control of Barcelona for the first time since 1979 and ceded Seville, leaving the party in opposition in the nation’s four biggest cities. The central region of Castilla-La Mancha, held by the Socialists for three decades, fell to the PP, as did the Balearic Islands.
The transfer of power in the regions may spark doubts over Spain’s ability to contain its budget deficit. Spanish bonds declined amid concern newly elected officials may reveal weaker finances than their predecessors reported. The defeat, capping a week of street protests, may further weaken Zapatero as he cuts the euro-region’s third-largest shortfall to avoid following Greece, Portugal and Ireland in needing a bailout.
I want to go out on a limb and suggest something is afoot in Ireland. In the space of just one week the Queen and now the POTUS.
I wonder if they are considering pulling out of the EU and ditching their debt like Iceland?
Methinks that the EU needs Ireland more than Ireland needs the EU. Even in its current state, it is one of the brighter success stories of Western Europe.
(Reuters) - President Ronald Reagan once famously said that a stack of $1,000 bills equivalent to the U.S. government’s debt would be about 67 miles high.
That was 1981. Since then, the national debt has climbed to $14.3 trillion. In $1,000 bills, it would now be more than 900 miles tall.
In $1 bills, the pile would reach to the moon and back twice.
The United States hit its legal borrowing limit on Monday, and the Treasury Department has said the U.S. Congress must raise the debt ceiling by August 2 to avoid a default.
The White House is trying to hammer out a deal with lawmakers to cut federal spending in exchange for a debt-limit increase.
Most people have trouble conceptualizing $14.3 trillion.
Stan Collender, a budget expert at Qorvis Communications, said the biggest sum most Americans have ever handled — in real or play money — is the $15,140 in the original, standard Monopoly board game.
The United States borrows about 185 times that amount each minute.
Here are some other metrics for understanding the size of the national debt and United States borrowing:
* U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has said the United States borrows about $125 billion per month.
With that amount, the United States could buy each of its more than 300 million residents an Apple Inc iPad.
* In a 31-day month, that means the United States borrows about $4 billion per day.
A stack of dimes equivalent to that amount would wrap all the way around the Earth with change to spare.
* In one hour, the United States borrows about $168 million, more than it paid to buy Alaska in 1867, converted to today’s dollars.
In two hours, the United States borrows more than it paid France for present-day Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa and the rest of the land obtained by the 1803 Louisiana Purchase.
* The U.S. government borrows more than $40,000 per second. That’s more than the cost of a year’s tuition, room and board at many universities.
“That usually gets their attention,” Doug Holtz-Eakin, who was chief White House economist under President George W. Bush, said in an email. “I have two kids, so every 10 seconds, the feds borrow more than I paid lifetime.”
* The Congressional Budget Office projects the total budget deficit in fiscal 2011 at about $1.4 trillion.
“The net worth of Bill Gates, roughly around $56 billion, could only cover the deficit for 15 days,” said Jason Peuquet, a policy analyst with the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. “The net worth of Warren Buffet, roughly around $50 billion, could only cover the deficit for 13 days.”
“That usually gets their attention,” Doug Holtz-Eakin, who was chief White House economist under President George W. Bush
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I wish he would have gotten President Bush’s attention during his employment at the White House.
SAO PAULO (AP) - Brazilian police say a thief cut off and stole a woman’s long hair while she waited at a bus stop.
Police say the hair was virgin, meaning it had not been chemically treated, and will probably be sold for the production of wigs.
Inspector Jose Carlos Bezerra da Silva said Friday to Globo TV’s G1 website that the woman was waiting for a bus in the central city of Goiania when the man used a knife-like weapon to cut the hair, which reached past her waist. She said she thought the man was going to steal her purse so she turned her back to him.
Silva said he’d never seen a theft like it in 20 years.
He said the 24-year-old woman reported the case to police because she is evangelical and had to explain to her pastor why her hair wasn’t long anymore.
ElBaradei: Egypt is ‘disintegrating’ as tourism drops
By BLOOMBERG
“People don’t feel secure, they’re buying guns,” former IAEA chief says; Egypt suffering from lack of tourism, no investment, inflation.
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Egypt is disintegrating socially and its economy “is bust,” said Mohamed ElBaradei, the former director of the International Atomic Energy Agency and possible candidate for the Egyptian presidency.
“Right now, socially, we are disintegrating,” ElBaradei said on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS,” scheduled to air Sunday. “Economically we are not in the best state. Politically it’s — it’s like a black hole. We do not know where we are heading.”
Inmates sit for dinner at the California State Prison in Lancaster. A federal overseer of the state’s prison system has suggested freeing the sickest inmates as a way to cut costs. (Gary Friedman / Los Angeles Times / June 10, 2010)
By James Oliphant Washington Bureau
May 23, 2011, 7:31 a.m.
Reporting from Washington—
The Supreme Court, in a narrow 5-4 decision, has an upheld an injunction by a three-judge panel ordering California to release about 46,000 inmates — more than one-fourth the state prison population — over the next two years to relieve overcrowding.
The decision was written by Justice Anthony Kennedy and backed by the court’s liberal bloc. At issue was whether federal judges had the power to order the release of state prisoners as a necessary means of curing a constitutional violation.
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“The number of consumer loans including first mortgages that are between 30 and 90 days delinquent has plunged from 22 million in early 2009 to less than 14 million, the lowest level since the late 1990s. ”
Interesting. Most must be other consumer loans. While early home mortgage delinquencies have fallen (30-90 days(, they are not “late 90’s” low.
Citigroup might take $186 million haircut on Destiny USA loans
Citigroup wants to get out of the Destiny USA project so badly it is giving mall developer Robert Congel a $186 million incentive to find another lender.
Included deep inside an agreement that settled a two-year lawsuit between the bank and Congel in March is an offer by Citigroup Global Markets Realty Corp. to forgive two loans totaling $186 million if the developer pays off a separate $310 million mortgage held by the bank on Congel’s Carousel Center shopping mall in Syracuse.
The debts Citigroup would forgive include money it loaned Congel to build the unfinished Carousel Center expansion.
Congel likely would have to refinance his $310 million mortgage with another lender to pay it off by the deadline in the agreement — 2013. The agreement allows him to extend the date until 2015, but only if he makes extra principal payments totaling $100 million.
If Congel cannot pay off or refinance the mortgage, the $186 million owed on the other two loans — an $86 million construction loan and a $100 million mortgage on the mall — must be paid off in full.
In the meantime, the developer must make interest payments on the $186 million, but he will not have to make principal payments.
I remember posting several years ago about the Carosel looking like a failing project. These things take such a long time to come to their tragic end. Parking for “green” vehicles only, indeed.
This is interesting. It looks like the bank actually wants something in return for the Poof! happening here. Gotta ask the wife about the Congels… one minute…
From the article: “In the meantime, the developer must make interest payments on the $186 million, but he will not have to make principal payments.”
There is a big white box stuck in the front of the Carousel Mall. This guy’s not paying people for their work, isn’t required to pay the bank their principal and is receiving money in tax breaks* for the clean up of the site. Talk about coming out smelling like a rose.
*”Destiny USA, the shopping mall expansion stuck in neutral, stands to gain $54 million in tax breaks from a state environmental cleanup program even though its cleanup costs are insignificant, state officials say.
The windfall for Destiny’s Robert Congel comes via the state’s Brownfield Cleanup Program, which started as a way to encourage developers to build on contaminated land but has turned into a mess of its own.
Just caught a promo for tonight’s HBO movie premier “Too Big To Fail,” and I’m not encouraged. It’s being marketed here as an apologea for the investment banks, Bernanke, Paulson, et al; I.E.; “If we hadn’t bailed them out, life as we know it would have come to a halt.” And “We saved America.”
Anyone in the yeast watching the film? Should I bother?
Quote: When ah think of all those poor white people- forced to buy new bass boats and pick-up trucks and take vacations to Hawaii every year with their home equity credit-lines- I weep for our nation, and how the minorities forced their corruption on all of us.
*snicker*
What’s your point? Oh, I get it. You think I don’t hold “poor white people” responsible for their role in the meltdown. Well, you’re wrong. There were a lot of idiots involved. Including everyone who borrowed money that had no hope in repaying their loans. And those that threw the money around recklessly. And those that urged the throwing around of money. Government idiots, Banking idiots, real estate idiots included. Got that, snicker-boy?
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Realtors Are Liars
The sun is hot
Not if you live on Pluto. There has never been a better time to buy on a cooler planet. The rich boomers…
So if we move the realtors and WS to pluto we won’t feel the effects of their lies. Wasn’t this the theme of A Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?
The US is in a stagflationary depression
Planet earth is in a deflationary depression.
Always look on the bright side of life.
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
“Always look at the bright side of life.”
That’s what I am doing.
The path we were on was the path that led to doom. Now we are taking another path. A depression is the price that needs to be paid for taking this new path.
“The path we were on was the path that led to doom. Now we are taking another path. A depression is the price that needs to be paid for taking this new path.”
Sounds a lot like religion. Are we mixing our myths? Is America’s belief in born-again Christianity tinging our economic theory?
‘Only through complete collapse and rebirth can we find the New Way…’
“No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.”
So long as the Taliban doesn’t gain the upper hand, at least…
Bring… the soft cushions!
“Planet earth is in a deflationary depression”
I wish someone would tell that to the people who run the grocery store.
Stagflation: it’s what’s for breakfast
Just keep checking those grocery store ciculars for mistakes. I got three 20 ounce packages of 93/7 ground turkey for the sale price of a 3 pound package of 85/15 ground turkey. Smaller store doesn’t even carry the package that was on sale and the manager on duty wanted me to leave his store happy.
Unfortunately not a particularly efficient solution to higher prices, especially if you are feeding more than one person.
Both major parties have blind partisan hacks.
As do all political parties. Libertarians and Paulites most definitely included.
Raptures are few and far between.
When is the next one scheduled?
Tuesday, November 6, 2012
I’ll be satisfied if all the politicos disappear.
I’m reminded of the movie “Mars Attacks”, where the American public laughs as they watch the Martians zap congress on TV.
Would that be the Mayan Calendar rapture? (This is the real one, right?!)
I thought that was in December, and he was talking about election day.
“Mars Attacks”
Marvin the Martian:
I own, unfortunately, 100 shares of Microsoft. I continue to “Google” happily, as I have for years, yet I refuse to “Bing”. Why is that?
Why It’s Time To Buy A Home
According to the National Association of Realtors’ Housing Affordability Index — an industry-standard — more people can afford to buy a house with today’s average income levels, current housing prices and mortgage rates than at any other time in the index’s 40-year history.
Prior to this recent recession, the index had never traveled above 160 — which translates into an average national medium family income of 160% of the mortgage-qualifying rate for a median-priced home. Today, that number is 192.
Did the NAR perform the same magic trick that the CAR (California) and switch in 2004 from using 20% down to 3% down in order to soften the impact of rising home prices on the affordability index?
The monthly house payment is less affordable, not more, if you make a smaller downpayment.
Doh. Not enough coffee yet. There was some magic done by the CAR, but I forget what it was…
CAR still does the math the old way as well. The “traditional measure” shows the same thing…all-time high affordability.
The biggest criticism is “what happens when interest rates rise”, which will impact affordability.
The counter to that question is that if you simply measure home prices relative to incomes, you still get an all-time high affordability number.
Wow, he is SO right! I haven’t been looking for years and its time now because an article told me! I’m off to CountryWide to get a mortgage! Waive inspections!!! Get a HELOC to install granite countertops!! I’m gonna be rich!
LOL me too.
Assuming the same methodology was used over the past 40 years, doesn’t anyone see this as good news? I realize not all markets have corrected to this degree, but isn’t the fact that housing overall is as affordable as it has been since the 1960’s exactly what we were all hoping would happen when this correction began?
And no, I’m not a realtor and I don’t own multiple houses. I do however live in Phoenix so my view of the current state of the housing marked may be clouded by what I see around me.
Yes. This is what we were all hoping would happen…prices crash, making homes more affordable.
That’s why John Paulson (the guy who make all the money shorting the housing market) said in September of 2010:
“If you don’t own a home, buy one. If you own one home, buy another one, and if you own two homes buy a third and lend your relatives the money to buy a home.”
Of course, he went long residential land in a fairly big way, so he is talking up his positions to some extent…
…but on the other hand, the math is the math.
REALT-WHORE ALERT
Drag yer a$$ you lying realtor. If you can’t drag it, pick it up and carry it. GTFO.
It’s not hard to make money shorting the market if you are stacking the deck.
At least in my area (Chicago), the large number of distressed homes selling are contributing to the lower median price and making homes appear more “afforadable” than they really are. Many of these homes are in poor condition and smaller.
The listing prices for homes in decent shape are not off much from the bubbly highs.
Good quality homes here (SF Bay Area near the $ in Silicon Valley) are about 25-30% off the peak. Farther out, you get good quality homes at 50% off peak or more.
Those good quality homes at 50% off peak are getting harder and harder to come by.
The median is still impacted to the negative based on the poor quality of what is on the market, but I would say that most sellers have gotten far more realistic on values (much more so farther out).
So what is a “home”?
Sorry, not a realtor. I work for a real estate investment company, but no sales license. In other words, I invest money into real estate, and make money when I buy low/sell high. I don’t try to convince people to buy houses for a commission.
And to respond to your question, a “home” is a place to live and raise a family.
I’m a data driven person who believes in supply/demand setting prices, which is why I was bearish on housing in our office for YEARS. There was too much supply, priced highly, and demand was inflated with cheap money for everyone.
The data doesn’t show the same reasons to be bearish today. Demand is artificially depressed based on sentiment, and home building has been so depressed for so long as to make the “glut of supply” argument solely based on the perception that foreclosures are good competition for well-maintained homes, as opposed to what they really are, a major reason for continued negative sentiment.
Call me a liar, but it won’t change the data.
If a Realtor speaks and no one is there to hear him or her is it still a lie?
Lying is the essence of realtardism.
Another Monday in the life of a …ugh….. Renter…….pipe under sink is rotting out….aluminum foil and duct tape is not working anymore…..time for a plumber on the landlords dime.
Let it leak… who cares?
Maybe drill a “drain hole” into the apartment below…
Look on the bright side: you could be in Joplin, MO right now.
Which reminds me of a poster (I forget who it was) who, a few years ago, opined that he didn’t want to pay for Florida’s hurricanes through his insurance, since he lived in flyover country. While I understand the sentiment, it would appear that, with the exception of certain parts of the Pacifice Northwest, maybe the Dakotas and Montana, and some areas of Western New York/New England, pretty much most of the country has to deal with some sort of natural disaster: fires, floods, quakes, hurricanes, tornados, etc. About the only thing we don’t have are volcanos.
“About the only thing we don’t have are volcanos.”
Well…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera
we have lots of volcanoes in the west, the frequencies of events isn’t that short.
we had some friends die not long ago, trying to rescue people that fell into a vent when the snow dome above it collapsed.
yeah, I’m a real idiot this AM, I guess I need more cawfee. I completely forgot about Mt. St. Helens, etc.
Thanks for the memory adjustment. Shees.
North Dakota has had major flooding in recent years. South Dakota…I looked at a job there once (Sioux Falls) and just couldn’t picture myself living there. Plus the home prices were higher than I expected. Montana will be great until the Yellowstone Caldera blows. Of course when that happens, North America is basically screwed.
But the stock market will rally as there will be “fewer deaths than expected”
Montana also has some serious faults near some dams, so you get a twofer if they get a big event there.
Obama wasn’t born in America - he was born in HAWAI’I!
If a LL can’t fix the return pipe under a sink all by himself - he should not be in the business…
You are saying property owners need more ability than to fog a mirror which got them the loan?
Which is why I have no intention of getting in the business.
True 2….but my LL is 79…..and this 2 family house was paid off long ago.
Well he certainly should be able to make a phone call. And I would think would want to make that phone call to prevent further damage.
Amen. That is a 5 dollar 5 minute fix for anyone that is remotely handy. Heck even I’ve installed a P trap in my day and I’d consider myself marginally handy at best. Even if you’ve never done it, take it apart, look at the pieces, take them to a hardware store, buy replacements for those that are broken, and put it back together the same way you took it apart. You can use that process for lots of things that break/wear out in a house. Saves you money and you get to learn something along the way!
You can assemble a sub-sink drain line with your bare hands. The nuts that connect the pieces are designed to be hand-tightened.
Warning: it will be very smelly.
No metal any more. Just plastic, no plumber’s teflon tape nor putty. Almost brainless. Which is good as I approach 60 as a (granny-unit) landlord.
Just watched ABC Good Morning
A short clip on how many people are either walking away or giving away their time share deeds.
There are 7,000,000 people who own time share properties.
P.T. Barnum had his numbers wrong.
Did he have his egress exit’s left or right?
Isn’t an egress some kind of bird?
A female egret?
When those annual maintenance fees end up costing more than a stay at a good hotel, it just doesn’t make sense. My inlaws gave away a timeshare they owned back in the early 90’s.
Yeah, I think people were walking away from time shares even at the height of the housing bubble.
During Tucson’s most recent 4th Avenue Street Fair, I passed by a “get rid of your time share” booth. It appeared to be quite busy.
“There are 7,000,000 people who own time share properties.”
Yep, fleecing the flock.
But only 17 people that actually visit their timeshare often enough for it to make financial sense.
Disney’s going all out with their “Vacation Club”. The timeshare is basically a hotel room (not even a condo). You pay big bucks to buy in, and the annual fees are also big.
It appears to be a winner for Disney as they continue to build and sell them (they are usually wings in their existing “resort hotels” in Orlando.
I enjoy an ocassional Disney trip, but every year? That could get old after a while.
Then again there are annual passholders in California who literally step through the turnstiles more than 100 times a year.
Holy burnout Batman!
100 times a year? Twice a week?
I can even get wanting to spend some time in a place where the trash gets picked up all the time and the employees are a little better trained than average, but twice a week?
When I was a kid I had a season pass to 6 Flags and went everyday with my friends in the summer time.
I like my timeshare.
What happens when the other owners of your timeshare decide to walk away?
Nothing ’cause they paid upfront for the timeshare.
Obviously, I have never had a timeshare.
Ah, I would have more privacy then. Shell Vacations Clubs. Timeshares these days are not necessarily in the same location. Accommodations are great. In Kauai my place was on the perimeter of the property on the second floor. 7 days, slept with sliding glass doors ( both) open. Ocean waves lulling me to sleep. Also spent a week on Kona. Nice!
There are 7,000,000 people who own time share properties.
7 million suckers.
I guess I’m one of them and of course you obviously know who I am and my family and who I work for and where I went to school. You know that I am one of those 7 million suckers. But I am glad I own my time share.
“A short clip on how many people are either walking away or giving away their time share deeds.”
Rising travel costs and falling wages finally putting the screws to time shares? It’s not just the relative cost of accommodations that’s an issue.
Same deal works with those who have vacation homes. But much worse. They leave them vacant eight months out of the year and just for the bragging rights that they have second homes.
Couple makes $150k/year and defaults on $240,000 mortgage.
Expect to see alot more of this…
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Sinking values prompting homeowners to consider strategic default as best business decision
Slight drop in strategic defaults unlikely to last as more people do the math, see they can’t recover and make a business decision to walk away from their mortgage, even if it ruins their credit
“I did a lot of soul-searching about whether it was morally the right thing to do,” he said. “I felt there was no moral obligation to make a payment. The contract says it’s a financial obligation, not a moral obligation.
“I was in a boat with a slow leak. It was manageable, but I know I was slowly sinking.”
The decision to walk, tied to a housing crisis that continues to grip the market, is far-reaching, raising serious questions about whether financial commitments can ever be considered optional.
Earlier this month, CoreLogic reported that as of the end of March, home prices had declined for eight consecutive months, and more than 11 million borrowers nationally were underwater, which means they owe more on their mortgages than the home is worth. It’s difficult to predict just how many of those borrowers may opt for default, but FICO, the widely used credit scoring system, recently developed a formula to help lenders pinpoint borrowers who might default.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-0522-strategic-defaults–20110522,0,3910292.story
This is a great article:
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“The fact that others are doing it doesn’t make it moral, because a borrower signed a contract that said he will pay,” Zingales said. And the problem is bigger than individual borrowers, he adds. “The cost long-term to society is”……
A foreclosure … decreasing a credit score as much as 250 points, a drop that it may take an otherwise creditworthy consumer up to seven years to recoup. That lower score will affect a consumer’s ability to access additional credit, whether it is credit cards, an automobile or rental housing. Landlords pull credit reports too. Auto insurance premiums also would increase.
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Is Illinois a recourse state?
We’re seeing a sea change in the jingle mail. People are realizing that we are in a “permanent downturn,” as HBB Doug in Boone NC said. Morals — yeah right, FB’s are now proud to give banks a shot of their own medicine. FICO drops — bah, an FB can prep for that and save the 401K. Auto insurance premiums — like a few hundred bucks is going to compare to $250K mort debt. “Long-term costs to society,” sure, go whine about society in your light bulb factory in China Mr. Welch.
“Is Illinois a recourse state?”
Yes. I predict this guys debt will be sold, and he’ll be sued for the deficiency. Didn’t do his homework then, isn’t doing it now. And telling the paper all about it probably wasn’t the greatest idea either.
I’d buy that guy’s debt for less than a penny on the dollar, the rate it’s being sold elsewhere.
If the owners refinanced then it doesn’t matter whether they live in a recourse or non-recourse state.
Dang. Thanks Bill and Alpha. I’m surprised — the FB seemed to have some savvy, but evidently he didn’t check the state laws? Sloppy.
here’s a great quote from the comment section:
“Illinois is a ‘deficiency judgment’ state…so yes, the bank can come after you for the difference between how much you owe and how much they recouped by selling the collateral. One of the rumors going around is that even if the banks don’t bother to try to collect on the deficiency amount, they will sell the ‘note’ to debt collectors for pennies on the dollar. The debt collectors can wait years at which point you may have built up assets again…”
That last part scare the sh*t out of me. 10-15 years from now, all these people are going to be in troble again. Thank GOD I didn’t buy…
“That last part scare the sh*t out of me. 10-15 years from now, all these people are going to be in trouble again. ”
Really? It scares the sh*t out of you? It gives me a warm squishy.
OX:
The next super big change will be very soon when banks renew credit cards at a default rate and people just walk away from paying.
What? you mean 18 years of paying on time sometimes in full..never late, never over limit, never took a cash advance..and i deserve a 20.99% rate….skrew U i can live without your card.
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We’re seeing a sea change in the jingle mail
“…because a borrower signed a contract that said he will pay”
I don’t think any home owner signs a contract that says “I will pay”. There are penalties outlined in the contract and governed by state laws that specify exactly what happens if a person doesn’t pay. Those penalties should be weighed against the benefit of walking away and a decision made as to what’s in your best interest. That’s it. Strategic default in a recourse state doesn’t seem like a great strategy, but maybe some people think the chance that they won’t get sued is worth the risk. In non-recourse states, it’s kind of a no brainer. And contrary to popular belief, refinancing does not make a loan recourse. It does in California which may be why many people believe it is true everywhere, but in Arizona, a refinanced loan only becomes recourse if cash is taken out. And the the law is unclear whether or not the full amount becomes recourse or just the cash out part. That will have to be decided in a court.
Thank you for that Max. I can see why only cash-out refi’s are recourse. However, anyone who was smart enough to re-fi and not take cash out probably isn’t underwater anyway. They are just enjoying lower interest rates.
“raising serious questions about whether financial commitments can ever be considered optional.”
Yes, we can!
Seriously, though, if I were underwater at this point in history, I’d probably take a walk myself, after a little careful planning. The example for this is being set from above. Any person with half a brain looks around and sees that the “rule of law” has been made a mockery of by such things as TARP, lack of prosecution of Wall Street fraudsters, massive illegal immigration, phony wars, ballooning deficit, etc. About the only thing that seems unforgivable is a good sex scandal.
“Likier put almost 20 percent down to purchase a $312,000 townhouse in Westmont in 2006 and lived there until two years ago, when he remarried and bought a home in Chicago Ridge.”
Homeownership is for people who expect to live someplace indefinately. If this guy was single and didn’t expect to stay that way, he had no business buying.
If he still wanted to live there, this wouldn’t be a problem.
Wow, taking a $60k pipe fitting. I’m sure the fly on the wall probably thought it was a John Carpenter sci-fi underway.
From the article:
>Landlords pull credit reports too. Auto insurance premiums also would increase.
Put yourself in the position of a future landlord or insurance underwriter. If strategic defaults become commonplace, would you still be biased against these folks?
Maybe there will turn out to be a correlation between a strategic default and poor driving. I sort of doubt it. I’m *guessing* that people with poor credit scores might typically be more likely to file theft/damage claims, which might be cause for higher premiums. If it turns out that no such correlation exists with strategic defaulters, then the insurance companies will figure that out and - to stay competitive - will adjust rates appropriately.
As a (former) landlord, I could even see myself looking at a strategic default as a positive… here’s a guy who was responsible enough to buy a house, and smart enough not to go down with his sinking ship.
What will the banks turn to next, if they can’t threaten us with a “lower credit score?”
“What will the banks turn to next, if they can’t threaten us with a “lower credit score?””
The Federal Reserve?
“Especially in states like Illinois, people held out hope for a little while,” Zingales said
Here we see a glint of that “heartland” meme again - there was no bubble in the heartland, Midwesterners won’t walk like those in FL, NV, AZ, etc.
They may not walk as quick, if you compare a $150K Flyover house vs. a $500K Cali bubble house. But if it drops to $100K, and/or they lose their job, they will walk.
Plenty of evidence around here to back that statement up.
Yep, they will see things in the context of their neighbors/neighborhood. What the price of their house was in relation to some distant house, in say CA, is near meaningless when they see themselves falling behind their peers.
$240k is a lot of money, a quarter of a million dollars. Not many people can afford to flush that down the toilet.
Damn, wish I’d stayed in the Westmont, IL area.
How does a person with a $240,000 mortgage end up with monthly payments of $4700?
It’s amazing that this guy and his wife can be such morons and still make a combined $150k per year. I hope the mortgage holder keeps after them until they get every penny that’s owed.
Mortgage payment on both properties. Although in another five years, the coming 18% interest mortgage on that 240K will come close.
D’oh. I see. And it appears he was renting out the townhouse until the condo association changed its rules. Thanks. I still say they’re morons though.
Illinois plan to cut mortgage debt is making waves
Marketwatch.com
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — A pilot program close to getting off the ground in Illinois seeks to use $100 million in taxpayer dollars to help potentially thousands of troubled mortgage holders in the state who owe more than their homes are worth.
Backers of the program, which needs the approval of the U.S. Treasury Department to move forward, argue that it will stabilize neighborhoods, reduce foreclosures, help the economic recovery and ultimately cost taxpayers nothing. Opponents insist it will leave taxpayers on the hook and drive better-off homeowners to engage in so-called strategic default, leading to more foreclosures and less stability.
‘Stem the flow’
The program’s supporters also argue that struggling borrowers who are no longer underwater will have an incentive to continue paying their mortgages, rather than to abandon the home as many have been doing.
“We have got to stem the flow of more [housing] supply coming into the marketplace by keeping families in their home,” said Bill Goldsmith, president of Mercy Portfolio Services, on of the architects of the approach. “Lots of these families have a lot of back end debt that could drive them out of the home.”
Illinois can repurpose that IBM commercial from a few years ago where the barbarian ‘consultant’ proposes to a table of kings that the solution to their problems is contained in the large, clanking bag is placed onto a catapult by the management expert.
“Whats that?” asks the King.
“Money” replies the consultant.
“And what are you planning on doing with it?” responds the King
“Throw it at the problem.” our consultant replies smugly.
Here it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZmHDEa0Y20
“Backer of the program … argue that it will … ultimately cost taxpayers nothing.”
I love this blog.
Is is a possibility the lenders could somehow be behind this?
Theft pure and simple. Steal from the worker give to the banks. Steal from teh renter give to the property owners.
One needs to view that in the context of the vaporized “equity” here in IL. That $100 M isn’t going to go very far.
Obama’s stimulus pak spent $117K per job, or something like that. Illinois could use that $100M to create 800 jobs instead.
“Lots of these families have a lot of back end debt that could drive them out of the home.”
How is “back end debt” different from “debt”?
That means they have so much debt it’s coming out their back end.
+1 LOL!
Lenders are creating glut of foreclosed homes: NYT
TEL AVIV (MarketWatch) - Banks and lenders are piling up foreclosed homes, creating a glut that could deepen the housing-market slump and slow the economic recovery, The New York Times reported on Monday. Citing data from RealtyTrac, the Irvine, Calif., consultants, the paper reported that banks and lenders own more than 872,000 homes, almost twice the number they had when the financial crisis started in 2007. Another 1 million homes are in the foreclosure process and the lenders may take several million more in coming years, the Times reported. Economists told the paper that the glut could create a vicious circle by depressing home prices and leading to more distressed home sales.
Poof, poof, poof…
The Poof! is back!
Hell yes!
What do those lenders plan to do with that massive glut of homes? Let me guess: They will hold on to them until the market “comes back.”
How much does it cost to keep a vacant home in half-maintained shape over the span of a decade or more?
“How much does it cost to keep a vacant home in half-maintained shape over the span of a decade or more?”
You should offer to stage one of them with your family, and charge them $60k/yr.
That’s what squatters are for.
‘Economists told the paper that the glut could create a vicious circle by depressing home prices and leading to more distressed home sales’
This just in; the HBB tried to tell anyone who would listen this was happening a long time ago, and where it would lead.
The really remarkable thing about it is, anyone could have told you where it would lead. In this age, it is amazing that we let the media and govt try to fool us into believing that kicking the can down the road is a solution. But this country does it over and over.
When a person’s sense of wealth and security is dependent on them seeing things a certain way they are much easier to fool.
Sometimes a slow slide is better than a hard fall.
They will hold them until they devise a plan to make tax payers or pension holders take the losses.
Wait a minute. Is this article about homes in Israel or homes in the U.S.? Why is it datelined Tel Aviv?
Due to off-shoring?
They arn’t making anymore land in Israel or the West Bank.
+1. I’m not sure whether it’s amusing or pathetic that the fight is bascially no longer about religion and is now about suburban sprawl.
Over there its about who controls the land. From a bird’s eye view they don’t look all that different from each other. Even their religions are similar.
Land = water. And the Israelis were the first to pick up on that. Hence, the uproar about the proposal to return to ‘67 borders.
Border issues always were about land, not religion, despite the fact that the loudest settlers tend to be religious. It wasn’t always about suburban sprawl, but always about land.
A Palestinian right of return is about long term demographics and so it is a nationalism thing.
Control of the old city part of Jerusalem is the only one of the three main issues that is about religion and even that one is partially about land.
Chile=100% correct.
It’s not about land, or religion, or even urban sprawl. It’s about who controls the wells and aquifers.
Take a look at the border sometime. The gerrymandering would put Orange Country, CA. to shame….
I thought that strange as well.
Is the Wild, Wild, West Era in Wall Street mortgage banking finally coming to a close?
California creating mortgage fraud task force
By Alejandro Lazo, Los Angeles Times
May 23, 2011, 12:02 a.m.
California Atty. Gen. Kamala Harris, saying that years of unscrupulous lending still haunts the state, is creating a 25-person task force to target mortgage fraud of any size — from small operations that preyed on troubled borrowers to corporations that sold risky loans as safe investments.
The team of 17 lawyers and eight special agents from the state Department of Justice will pursue three major areas, Harris said in an interview:
•Corporate fraud, including instances in which bundled mortgages were sold as securities to the state or its pension funds under false pretenses. Harris said her office plans to prosecute some cases under California’s False Claims Act, which she described as “one of those very powerful tools that California uniquely has … to pursue, in essence, what are false claims that are submitted to the state.”
•Scams, including instances in which consultants, lawyers and others took fees from people in foreclosure, saying they would help the homeowners get loan modifications or other remedies, but delivered nothing.
•Fraudulent lending practices, including deceptive marketing, failure to fully disclose loan terms and qualifying people for loans who couldn’t afford the terms.
Harris said the mortgage fraud that ultimately led to the housing crash continues to be a drag on the state, causing huge losses in jobs, property values and state revenues.
“We are looking at a situation of up to $640 billion in wealth having been lost because of this wave of foreclosures that has hit the state,” Harris said, referring to the decline in homeowner equity. “There is a direct connection” between mortgage fraud “and the issue that we are challenged with in terms of our state budget crisis.”
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“25 person task force”
Throwing that kind of manpower at the program, I can see the mortgage fraud mess being cleaned up in about 10,000 years, give or take.
Your typical McDonalds has 25 people working the lunch rush. And the way things are, they could easily be lawyers too.
Notice the press release didn’t say “….25 man mortgage fraud task force…..”. Gotta read the fine print to glean that little piece of info.
No to mention being 7 years too late to the party.
Better late than never, which is what the timing would have been if former Goldman Sachs board member Moneybags Meg had been elected governor…
Money talks, bullsh!t walks.
Prosecutors Faulted on Failure to Charge ‘Bandits’ in U.S. Market Collapse
By Justin Blum - May 22, 2011 9:00 PM PT
In November 2009, Attorney General Eric Holder vowed before television cameras to prosecute those responsible for the market collapse a year earlier, saying the U.S. would be “relentless” in pursuing corporate criminals.
In the 18 months since, no senior Wall Street executive has been criminally charged, and some lawmakers are questioning whether the U.S. Justice Department has been aggressive enough after declining to bring cases against officials at American International Group Inc. (AIG) and Countrywide Financial Corp.
Prosecutions of three categories of crime that could be linked to the causes of the crisis — corporate, securities and bank fraud — declined last fiscal year by 39 percent from 2003, the period after the accounting scandals at Enron Corp. and WorldCom Inc., Justice Department records show.
“You need a massive prosecutorial effort,” said Solomon Wisenberg, a white-collar defense attorney at Barnes & Thornburg LLP in Washington and a former federal prosecutor. “I don’t see evidence that it’s happening. If we were talking baseball, it would be at the AAA level.”
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“You need a massive prosecutorial effort,” said Solomon Wisenberg, a white-collar defense attorney at Barnes & Thornburg LLP in Washington and a former federal prosecutor.”
Yeah, this guy’s probably pissed because billable hours are down. Now, if there was a “massive prosecutorial effort”, his firm would probably be raking it in.
The Bail Outs were designed to mask the crimes of the Culprits .
Hank Paulson wasn’t sweating bullets because of his dedication to America . Biggest Obstruction of Justice case in Recent History .
Triple A level? How about Little League level.
No, wait, even that’s organized. How about the neighborhood kids playing a pick-up game on their own.
Do kids still do that?
Can anyone tell me what, if anything, Eric Holder has accomplished in the 2.5 years he’s been Attorney General? Besides sue Arizona for their attempt to give their guys the tools to do the job that the Feds won’t do?
He has stopped trying to put medical marijuana stores out of business.
Not in Montana. They just had a recent series of Fed raids.
Well he did decide that it is not against the law if you hang outside polling places, in a military-type uniforms, with clubs and spout racist comments.
But only if you are black.
More heat than light?
MARKETS
MAY 23, 2011
Officials Heighten Mortgage Scrutiny
By RUTH SIMON
State attorneys general are stepping up their investigations of mortgage-industry practices by probing for potential misdeeds when banks originated home loans and packaged them into securities, according to people familiar with the examinations.
New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has issued subpoenas to four bond-insurance companies as part of his expanding probe of mortgage-securitization practices, people familiar with the matter said.
At the same time, California Attorney General Kamala D. Harris is expected to announce Monday a new law-enforcement effort aimed at mortgage-industry practices, people familiar with the initiative said. The effort will cover a range of activities, from loan origination to the packaging of mortgages into securities, and will include both civil and criminal prosecutions, these people said.
Mr. Schneiderman has issued subpoenas to units of Ambac Financial Group Inc., Assured Guaranty Ltd., MBIA Inc. and Syncora Holdings Ltd., people familiar with the investigation said.
The bond insurers aren’t the subject of the investigation, these people added, but have been asked to provide information about their dealings with banks that packaged mortgage loans into securities. Bond insurers provided guarantees on a variety of mortgage-related products and have suffered heavy losses as a result of the mortgage meltdown.
Mr. Schneiderman’s office has asked the bond insurers for information regarding claims paid to bond investors and about litigation and settlements the insurers have entered into with banks that packaged loans into securities, these people said.
An MBIA spokesman said the company plans to comply with the subpoena, which focuses on lawsuits filed by MBIA against banks that packaged loans into securities guaranteed by the company.
“Syncora did receive a subpoena from the New York Attorney General to provide certain information relating to mortgage loans, payments and potential settlements,” said a company spokesman, who declined to comment further.
A spokeswoman for Assured Guaranty declined to comment on whether the company had received a subpoena. “We support the Attorney General with their investigation, which will hopefully accelerate the resolution of mortgage-origination, -securitization and -servicing problems,” she said.
A spokesman for Ambac declined to comment.
The subpoenas are the latest sign of how state and federal officials are stepping up their scrutiny of the mortgage machine. Federal prosecutors, for instance, are using tools such as the Civil War-era False Claims Act in an effort to recoup government losses on soured mortgage loans. The tools available to Mr. Schneiderman include the state’s Martin Act, which doesn’t require prosecutors to prove intent to defraud. The Martin Act has been used by Mr. Schneiderman’s predecessors to address a variety of alleged misconduct by Wall Street.
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“More heat than light?”
That’s not how I see it. I see the heat turning up. The American
public is waking up.
Reminds me of Watergate in the Seventies.
It’s getting time to fire up some popcorn.
Woodward and Berstein came out of obscurity in the Seventies and became household names, I look for Matt Taibbi’s name to do the same.
Would be nice. Unfortunately far more people are anxiously waiting for tonight’s DWTS than are waiting for bankster prosecutions.
Yeah, well it’s early.
It took some time for the Watergate thing to really get rolling, it’ll be the same with this thing.
It took some time for the Watergate thing to really get rolling, it’ll be the same with this thing.
ISTR that Watergate didn’t really gain traction until the spring of 1973. If memory serves correctly, the key turning point was when Alexander Butterfield revealed the existence of the White House taping system.
They had Robert Redford play them in a movie.
Tabbi needs Brad Pitt to play him in order to be a household name.
I find your optimism encouraging.
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May 23, 2011, 8:52 a.m. EDT
China’s manufacturing growth may have cooled
By Chris Oliver, MarketWatch
HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — China’s factory activity is set to cool further in May, according to a preliminary PMI survey released Monday, as companies cut back orders amid tighter monetary policy and high commodity prices.
Leaders of Japan, China and South Korea meet to speed up preparations for a three-way free-trade pact, while the private-equity world is abuzz over yuan-denominated funds.
The news helped send markets across Asia sharply lower as investors scrambled to gauge the impact of weakening Chinese factory orders and what that could be signaling about the health of the global recovery.
An early reading of China’s manufacturing activity indicates that it slowed to a 10-month low in May, according to the results of the survey conducted by HSBC.
Monday’s “flash” release, compiled from a smaller base than the regular PMI, is designed to give a glimpse of what the broader survey will reveal next week. The preliminary survey showed that momentum slowed to 51.1 from the April reading of 51.8.
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The news helped send markets across Asia sharply lower as investors scrambled to gauge the impact of weakening Chinese factory orders and what that could be signaling about the health of the global recovery.
Funny thing about “consumers”. They need good paying jobs to be able to affords to buy “wants”.
Strangely they say “as companies cut back orders amid tighter monetary policy and high commodity prices,” and don’t talk about demand.
Demand seems as high as ever for low-end stuff necessities. Yesterday, Wally World was packed. I felt bad going there but they are the only store that carries plastic freezer “jars” (made in China). The plastic cups are all I bought and I paid cash-money, so I hope I didn’t promote that much slave labor…
We have a Wally World that isn’t ghetto in our town, and I ocassionaly go there (they have a $25 oil change).
Even though this Wally World is on the “right side of the tracks” in our little burg I don’t see people “snapping up” flat panel TVs and other higher items like in the past.
NYT: “Glut of foreclosed homes threatens housing market”
“All told, they own more than 872,000 homes as a result of the groundswell in foreclosures, almost twice as many as when the financial crisis began in 2007, according to RealtyTrac, a real estate data provider. In addition, they are in the process of foreclosing on an additional one million homes and are poised to take possession of several million more in the years ahead.”
http://tinyurl.com/426hljh
What about the shadow of the shadow inventory?
“The reasons for the backlog include inadequate staffs and delays imposed by the lenders because of investigations into foreclosure practices.”
Dump the homes or create some jobs for staff to manage them. Offset the higher labor costs or greater loss reserves by paying smaller bonsues to executives, a-holes.
It would have been SOOO much cheaper in the long term to actually do the paperwork correctly in the first place, than it is now to deal with the mess that they made.
The cheapest option was robosigning — if that had gotten away with it. It only became expensive when they got caught.
“delays imposed by the lenders because of investigations into foreclosure practices.”
Having to show proof of ownership of the mortgage is apparently proving to be quite difficult.
What is this BS about recovery of this economy . How can you have recovery when you haven’t changed or solved the reasons for the crash and
crisis to begin with .Jobless recovery in a consumer base economy ,I think not . Real estate recovery when the prices were fake to begin with ,I think not . Job creation,I think not ,only more lay offs ,more out-sourcing ,more
money going to the top . Wall Street/Banks put in their place and their faulty bubble creating casinos shut down ,not happening . Health care costs
addressed ,not happening . Health care monopoly addressed ,not happening. Who are the losers ….guess who .
Its like watching a exercise in futility when the Powers that be continue to hold on to their kill the host ,transfer the pain ,hold on to insanity
plans . Who are all these jerks trying to kid .
But subprime loans are back for cars. Isn’t that a recovery?
Exactly. Without phony lending available for people with lousy credit there wouldn’t be a auto industry here. How many families can honestly afford to operate and depreciate a $35k automobile?
2002-2007: the jobless recovery
2009-present: the recoveryless recovery
Its like watching a exercise in futility when the Powers that be continue to hold on to their kill the host ,transfer the pain ,hold on to insanity plans . Who are all these jerks trying to kid ?
The masses keep hoping that the “bounce back” is around the corner, but they are beginning to see the truth. This time there won’t even be a fake bounce. No amount of stim cash will bring a fake “bounce” this time. It’s hang on to your hat and keep your head above water.
“Consumers” will continue to refuse to consume. Its kind of hard to buy or lease that $40K car when you don’t have a dime to spare. Gotta love globalization! The world has never produced more goods. Too bad no one can afford to buy them.
Yes my friend Colorado ,you are right . Wake me up when they really want to solve problems .
Steve Sailer’s critique of an article from The American Spectator that neglects one of the major reasons for the housing meltdown. Not sure if Wallison (the author) is that ignorant, or most likely, he’s afraid to discuss the role government (specifically Clinton and Bush) had in urging lending institutions to hand out money to minorities, in order to increase minority home-ownership. Another reminder that PC makes you stupid.
Oops messed up on the website of the article:
http://vdare.com/sailer/110522_wallison.htm
Wow, your link went through the filter. Good on ya. Every time I try to post a link from that site (usually a Paul Craig Roberts article) it disappears into the HBB memory hole. Made me think it was censored due to “hate”, but apparently not.
Takimag’s a good one, too, but more international in focus.
Sometimes I understand why TPTB go a little nutz. From my experience as prez of a HOA board, sometimes ya just wanna kick the sheeple in the azz. I think that was part of the reaction to being forced to lend to non-creditworthy folks. It’s like, OK, if that’s what you want, that’s what yer gonna get.
Vdare DOT com criticizes the Sons of Aztlan for coming to USA without documentation only because they are hard workers and want better life and try to put food on their families. Vdare is racist and you, palmetto-bug, are a racist for posting that link. Expect a knock on your door from AG Holder soon…
Here in Southern Arizona, there’s quite the illegal immigration crackdown underway. I experienced it firsthand over the weekend.
And what was Arizona Slim up to? Well, I went out to a vegetable farm about 50 miles south of Tucson. The reason was that I was taking part in a “get to know your local farmers” event.
While there, I participated in a garlic harvest. Among my fellow harvesters were a group of refugees who were being assisted by a local non-profit org.
On the way back to Tucson, all traffic on a county road had to stop at a Border Patrol checkpoint.
There was no gettin’ around this, people. You had to stop. Or else the Border Patrol and Homeland Security people would open fire. (They were very well armed.)
This Border Patrol checkpoint is one of many throughout Southern Arizona. And it’s been widely publicized. To the point where, if you’re planning on going anywhere south of our fair city of Tucson, you’d better be carrying ID with you.
Well, one of the cars full of refugees got detained on the way back to Tucson. And the driver of the car I was in circled back to observe.
Things got heated between one of the non-profit org’s people and a Border Patrol officer. I couldn’t tell what the trouble was all about, but I think the gal was trying to make some sort of political statement to the Border Patrol officer. Bad move on her part.
The officer finally let them go, but I couldn’t help thinking that this non-profit could have alerted the refugees about the checkpoint. As in, if they need to bring their paperwork, tell ‘em exactly what to bring.
The director of the non-profit, who was not along for this event, was, in my opinion, derelict in her duty. Why? Because of the behavior of the lady who got into it with the Border Patrol officer. She should have had training on how to keep a cool head around law enforcement.
On the way back to Tucson, the driver of the car I was in regaled me with stories about this non-profit. From what I could gather, it appears to be a one-woman show. And she’s overwhelmed. But she won’t delegate.
In short, it seems like so many other non-profits here. In that it is well-intentioned but poorly managed.
In short, it seems like so many other non-profits here. In that it is well-intentioned but poorly managed.
You make small non-profits sound kind of like the lefty version of small J6P businesses. Existing mostly to allow their “owner” “be their own boss”.
You are not required by law to produce any ID or paper work at the permanent CBP stops. Nor answer any questions. They must have probable cause to search.
LOL- Not the old ‘the minorities forced this bubble on Wall Street’ argument- again!?
Um, kind of. Except a more accurate way to put it would be to shift the blame to GW Bush and Clinton for making the goal of increasing minority homeownership a priority, instead of the minorities themselves. And now, most who write about the bubble won’t even mention it, because people tend to get cowardly when discussing anything that sniffs of race and ethnicity.
I think they quit writing about it because the only evidence they had was pitiful propaganda produced by the Kochtopus-funded Cato Institute, and the like- see 2banana’s post below.
Unless you’ve got some you’d like to share?
tribunactdotcom
“… the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission established by Congress concluded in January that the 1977 law designed to prevent redlining was “not a significant factor in subprime lending or the crisis.”
The bipartisan commission also found that the affordable housing goals “contributed marginally” to purchase of risky mortgages by Fannie and Freddie.
Federal Reserve data show that 84 percent of mortgages purchased by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac between 2004 and 2009 had been made to whites, with 8 percent going to Hispanics and 5 percent to African-Americans. For loans to comply with CRA, 68 percent went to whites, 15 percent to Hispanics and 12 percent to African- Americans—hardly enough volume from minorities to cause the housing crisis.”
When ah think of all those poor white people- forced to buy new bass boats and pick-up trucks and take vacations to Hawaii every year with their home equity credit-lines- I weep for our nation, and how the minorities forced their corruption on all of us.
*snicker*
Minorities accounted for twice as many subprime dollars borrowed per capita than did whites. At least in Mass.
http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/ppdp/2008/ppdp0806.pdf
I’m not saying minority defaults are the biggest reason or the only reason, but a major reason.
Washington Mutual was a major player in minority outreach, er “overreach.”
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/That’s+affordable:+Seattle-based+Washington+Mutual+has+built+a…-a0110618317
2banana’s MBA paper on the housing crisis:
One government intervention was the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). This sleepy act was greatly expanded during the Clinton administration to compel banks to give mortgages to people that could not qualify for a traditional “old fashion” mortgages so that home ownership would be enhanced (Footnote 22).
Additionally, Janet Reno, the attorney General of the Clinton Administration, directly threatened bankers for any fair lending violations (of the CRA) by stating that “no loan is exempt, no bank is immune. For those (bankers) who thumb their nose at us, I promise vigorous enforcement” (Footnote 21).
Footnote 21
Community Reinvestment Act, Vern McKinley
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv17n4/vmck4-94.pdf
Footnote 22
The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA)
http://www.ffiec.gov/CRA/
Liberty U?
War on Crime Revs Up on Wall Street
The Street
NEW YORK (TheStreet) — These days the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission are investigating Wall Street using tactics, such as wire taps, usually reserved for professional criminals and terrorists.
Apparently, those agencies recognize what the Treasury and the Federal Reserve simply won’t admit: Insider trading, robo foreclosures and peddling dodgy securities to unsuspecting investors are old-fashioned fraud. These practices handicap American capitalism in global competition and undermine prosperity.
In February 1998, the S&P 500 first closed higher than 1000. Since then, corporate profits are up about 210% percent, but equities have risen less than 35%. Corporate profits rose 6% annually, but investing in stocks paid a disappointing 2.3% a year.
Buying stocks doesn’t seem to pay, because too much of the profits created by innovators with ordinary investors’ capital is captured by hedge funds, Wall Street trading desks, private equity houses, aggressive M&A shops, and then paid to Wall Street executives and traders.
In the drive for ever bigger compensation packages, Wall Street’s best and brightest violate boundaries of ethical behavior and the law. Not all of our problems can be laid on Wall Street’s steps, but its culture of entitlement and sharp practices impose enormous burdens.
Huge Wall Street incomes, juiced by duping investors, deprive pension funds and ordinary investors of the returns they are due on their stocks.
The absence of significant appreciation in equities for more than a decade means that many retirees dependent on IRAs and other defined contributions vehicles can no longer live comfortably, and many baby boomers who have been pushed into such pension vehicles can’t retire. Their money may be working hard, but only for Wall Street titans and not for them.
It is sound public policy to encourage workers to save for retirement, instead of relying on the promise of a defined benefit pension from an employer that may ultimately disappear, but contributions-defined pensions simply can’t work without a stock market that generates returns that follow the growth of corporate profits.
>These days the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission are investigating Wall Street using tactics, such as wire taps, usually reserved for professional criminals and terrorists.
Wall Street is the definition of professional criminals, is it not?
missing an “e”…
Wall Street is the definition of profeessional criminals, is it not?
Not all criminals receive their penalty in this world, but mistakes are punished mercilessly, and without exception. Wallstreet does not make mistakes, just errors.
In February 1998, the S&P 500 first closed higher than 1000. Since then, corporate profits are up about 210% percent, but equities have risen less than 35%. Corporate profits rose 6% annually, but investing in stocks paid a disappointing 2.3% a year.
Buying stocks doesn’t seem to pay, because too much of the profits created by innovators with ordinary investors’ capital is captured by hedge funds, Wall Street trading desks, private equity houses, aggressive M&A shops, and then paid to Wall Street executives and traders.
I’d add the CEO class steals much of the wealth as well.
“Sound Public Policy” is for suckers.
All my buds in the Beltway and on Wall Street are doing fine the way things are.
As far as the rest of the country? “If God had not wanted them sheared, he would not have made them sheep”.
The price you pay determines your rate of return.
If you buy stocks at a high P/E then your rate of return suffers. Buy stocks at a low P/E and your rate of return does well.
“Corporate profits rose 6% annually, but investing is stocks paid a disappointing 2.3 % a year.”
IOW, the fundamental value of the stocks increased but the price didn’t, which means the P/E slid down a bit. A continuation of this trend will set up an outstanding buying situation for those who are patient.
And have the money.
So… you are saying we just have to time it, well that’s easy enough.
No, not time it, price it.
Value is a function of price, not time.
“Apparently, those agencies recognize what the Treasury and the Federal Reserve simply won’t admit: Insider trading, robo foreclosures and peddling dodgy securities to unsuspecting investors are old-fashioned fraud. These practices handicap American capitalism in global competition and undermine prosperity.”
That seems quite generous. It seems the Fed has failed in its financial regulatory role, and others are stepping up to protect the American people from the scepter of systemic Wall Street fraud.
Home Sellers Provide Last-Resort Loans
Bloomberg Businessweek
Sue and Douglas Reed knew no bank would give them a mortgage — not with a bankruptcy and two foreclosures fresh in their credit history. They turned to Hilarie Walters, whose childhood home on 15 acres in Marshall, Mich., had been on the market since 2009, a year after she inherited it. Walters agreed in December to sell the property to the Reeds for $105,000. She also consented to a risky payment plan that in effect makes her the couple’s mortgage lender. “They’re paying me interest every month, but I’d rather have the money and be done with it,” says Walters, an unemployed single mother who is using their payments to cover the mortgage on her Battle Creek (Mich.) residence. “It does make me nervous.”
Financing provided by sellers, popular in the 1980s when mortgage rates reached 18 percent, is making a comeback in markets such as Michigan that have been hit hard by foreclosures and where tightening lending standards and years of economic distress have drained the pool of creditworthy buyers. For a small but growing number of people, it’s the only way to get a deal done. “Anytime the market is in this much trouble, people have to find ways to get it to function,” says Dennis Capozza, a professor of finance at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.
I post rarely, but wanted to give some information on an “estate sale” I attended this weekend. It was a typical McMansion, a big 12 room house on a small plot of land with an unusable front yard due to the high sloop. I would think a lawn mower would almost have to be tied to a rope to mow the front yard. The driveway had a steep slope which would make going up it in winter hard due to snow and ice. The inside had 2 staircases, and a 2 story entrance way.
There were really nice items inside the house, mostly decorated in the colonial style. There were many pieces of Wedgewood, Waterford Crystal light fixtures, mahogany furniture, oil paintings, etc. There was a hot tub for sale for ‘only’ $3,000 as the ‘new owners had children and didn’t want it for safety reasons.’ The sub-zero refrigerator was for sale for $4,500, along with the washer and dryer. All the expensive window draperies were for sale. Even though the ad said credit cards were accepted, the woman wanted cash unless the purchase was at least $500. Then she could put it through her store. Supposedly the house belong to her son.
Something didn’t ring quite right (selling appliances, light fixtures, chandelier, window dressings -things a purchaser might want) and thanks to this board I knew how to do research. The numbers following are rounded.
The house was purchased in 2006 for $792K. There are 2 mortgages totally 100% of the purchase price. The first one was $633K with an adjustable rate rider.
Liens quickly started going on the house:
2006 - $5,000
2009 - $8.000
2009 - $13,000
2010 - $8,000 (for furniture)
During that time, it was listed on and off for sale for @$900K. The new tax rate doesn’t support this price, rather something around $635K as this is a town where assessed value is close to actual selling value.
The ‘family’ purchasing this house is the mortgage company with a foreclosure date of 30 May 2011. Someone’s ‘getting out of Dodge’ as quickly with as much cash as possible.
I’m glad I rent even though I am amazed at people who life this lifestyle. It is what the board has said. There were many people who lived this way with credit.
It’s the “New Normal”, you cheapskate. Get with the program.
Those window treatments are pricey for them two story windows.
Just wait until they start selling the copper piping!
How you guys doing? It’s been a while since I posted. Hope everyone is doing well.
Is it about to start ARMageddoning again?
Good to see you again, mrktMaven. Looking forward to some of your excellent posts.
Yep, another ARMageddon is upon us.
Is it about to start ARMageddoning again?
“No way in Heloc!”
“hoc tui splat!” (In Montana™)
“If we are out there undercutting prices, we are contributing to the downward spiral in market values,” said Eric Will, who oversees distressed home sales for Freddie Mac. “We want to make sure we are helping stabilize communities.”
Eventually, they are going to have to decide whether it is getting people into houses that is stabilizing or keeping the prices up that is stabilizing, because that word is used both ways and it makes interpreting the quotes an interesting exercise.
Wage inflation in India is 10% according to this article:
As Indian companies grow in the U.S., outsourcing comes home
By Paul Glader
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/as-indian-companies-grow-in-the-us-outsourcing-comes-home/2011/05/17/AFZbrp7G_story.html?wpisrc=emailtoafriend
New York —
Ray Capuana paces the rows of cubicles in a haggard high-rise a stone’s throw from Wall Street as his people hustle the phones and hope for a bonus check.
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India’s outsourcing giants — faced with rising wages at home — have looked for growth opportunities in the United States. But with Washington crimping visas for visiting Indian workers, some companies such as Aegis are slowly hiring workers in North America, where their largest corporate customers are based. In this evolution, outsourcing has come home.
I’m starting to see this as well.
“…where their largest corporate customers are based.”
= power-to-the-American-people!
Now, if American’s could only find the wherewithal to follow through and simply: Boycott ‘em …those false/faux“TruePatrioticInc.™”
States shorten duration for unemployment benefits
WASHINGTON (AP) — Some of the states that have drained their unemployment insurance funds are cutting the number of weeks that a laid-off worker can count on those benefits. Legislators are trying to limit tax increases for businesses to replenish the pool and are hoping the federal government keeps stepping in when the economy slumps.
Michigan, Missouri and Arkansas recently reduced the maximum number of weeks that the jobless can get state unemployment benefits. Florida is on the verge of doing so. Unemployment in those states ranges from 7.8 percent in Arkansas to 11.1 percent in Florida.
The benefit cuts come as legislatures deal with the damage that the recession inflicted on state unemployment insurance programs. The sharp increase in the number of people who lost their jobs drained the reservoir of money dedicated to paying out benefits.
About 30 states borrowed more than $44 billion from the federal government to continue payments to laid-off workers. Many states hastened the insolvency of their funds by keeping balances at historically low levels going into the downturn.
The burden of replenishing the funds and paying off the loans will fall primarily on businesses through higher taxes, but the benefit cuts are an effort to limit the tax increases.
States usually provide up to 26 weeks of benefits to laid-off workers. Michigan and Missouri have cut that to a maximum 20 weeks. Arkansas went to 25.
Florida is considering a more complex change that would link the duration of benefits to the strength of the economy. The cap would range from 23 weeks during periods of double-digit unemployment to as low as 12 weeks during periods of extremely low unemployment. The Florida Legislature approved the changes, but the governor hasn’t signed the bill.
I foresee an increase in the welfare rolls and an increase in out migration in these states.
And, eventually, an increase in Americans taking the jobs illegals won’t do.
Rueters
WASHINGTON – Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich says he and his wife are “very frugal,” live within their budget and have no debts.
But the former House speaker is keeping to himself about how they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars at Tiffany’s jewelry store.
A financial disclosure form filed by Callista Gingrich in 2006 and 2007 showed the couple owed from $250,000 to $500,000 to Tiffany & Co.
Uhh how is owning 250-500k having no debt? Maybe this is the problem our politicians don’t understand debt.
How is 250-500k on high end jewelry being frugal?? May be this is our problem our politicians don’t understand being frugal.
“Uhh, how is owing 250-500k having no debt? Maybe this is the problem, our politicians don’t understand debt.”
Great post. However, the problem with all politicians is not debt, it is the lying about debt (and everything else).
Stunning hypocrisy….. Southern Gingrich and the repukes telling everyone they gotta “tighten their belts” and go without as they shop at Tiffany’s.
wow……. speechless.
One really has to fathom just how dumb a move this is.
It’s not as if Newt is not already a target for the MSM. Now he readily and willingly supplies to the MSM ammo that they can use to shoot him down with.
And that my friends, is how he has managed to keep mistresses for the past 25 years.
I seriously thought we were done with him. What is he, a political cicada? (1994-2011 is 17 years)
I seriously thought we were done with him. What is he, a political cicada? (1994-2011 is 17 years)
I think he’s about as noisy as a tree full of cicadas. As in, he makes a major racket day and night.
Uhh how is owning 250-500k having no debt?
Whenever I pull my credit report - it shows debt on my credit cards even though I pay them off in full every month.
More info is needed on Newt’s situtation.
“TrueHypocrite™” + “TrueColorsagain™” = “Trust us, “we” feel your pain, no, really “we” do,…and “we” know what is best for everyone, especially the poor & those without health insurance or a job.”
Instead of brain-storming a New Twit repubican “Contract-With-Americans vII” …maybe he ought to focus on his contract with Tiffany & Co. Inc.
In today’s Denver Post:
Colorado divorce rate plummets during recession
“witnessed a sesmic change in the way clients ended their marriages. A number of women were divorcing, and we felt they made out pretty well when they got the house … It’s completely the opposite now. Often, the house is worth less than when it was bought, so there is no equity for either partner to start a new life”
Survival trumps wants.
With the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks looming, a federal lawsuit in Manhattan offers the possibility of resolving a central mystery about the attacks: Was Iran involved?
Former investigators on the 9/11 Commission, which uncovered tantalizing but inconclusive evidence of Tehran’s ties to the plot, tell The Daily Beast they welcome the lawsuit, because they believe the U.S. government has done little to follow up on the commission’s evidence of Iranian complicity.
The lawsuit, they say, may offer the best hope of getting to the truth about whether Iranian government officials had advance knowledge of the plot and worked with al Qaeda to make it easier for several of the hijackers to travel undetected in the year before the attacks.
The suit, brought in the United States District Court in Manhattan on behalf of the families of dozens of 9/11 victims, is promising testimony from three Iranian defectors, all of them identified as former members of Iran’s central spy agency, who will implicate Iran and its terrorist proxies in Lebanon in the Sept. 11 attacks.
This sounds familiar
news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20110523/ts_dailybeast/14272_the911commissionsunfinishedbusinesswhatdidiranknow;_ylt=AgUivejj8holFV01EJjQK4us0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTR2MzNxcWNtBGFzc2V0A2RhaWx5YmVhc3QvMjAxMTA1MjMvMTQyNzJfdGhlOTExY29tbWlzc2lvbnN1bmZpbmlzaGVkYnVzaW5lc3N3aGF0ZGlkaXJhbmtub3cEY2NvZGUDcmFuZG9tBGNwb3MDNwRwb3MDNARwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA3RoZWlyYW4tOTExYw–
“…promising testimony from three Iranian defectors…”
Oh, best be careful here. Please remember that Iraqi “defectors” played a pivotal role in selling the WMD scare in 2002-3. Or how former Nazi intelligence officers made postwar careers out of helping to stoke cold war fears on both sides. Those types are not to be trusted.
France and other members of a NATO-led coalition will use attack helicopters in Libya, French officials said on Monday, a step meant to hit Muammar Gaddafi’s forces more accurately from the air.
Next up ground troops
The blew up his Navy ships sitting in thier berths last week.
Who is going to sell them arms for oil, I wonder?
WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court on Monday narrowly endorsed reducing California’s cramped prison population by more than 30,000 inmates to fix sometimes deadly problems in medical care, ruling that federal judges retain enormous power to oversee troubled state prisons.
Hmm what happens when a bunch of criminals are released early into a society that can’t produce enough jobs and is cutting supportive services??
Go back to growing marijuana?
~Sounds like this fellow does not want to get elected.
Pawlenty: Real change is about telling hard truths
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Republican presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty hits the campaign trail this week with tough talk for both Wall Street and seniors, pledging an end to bailouts for big banks and changes for what he calls unsustainable entitlement programs.
“I’m going to New York City to tell Wall Street that if I’m elected, the era of bailouts and handouts for big banks is over,” wrote Pawlenty, a former governor of Minnesota. “I’m going to Florida to tell both young people and seniors that our entitlement programs are on an unsustainable path and have to be changed,” Pawlenty wrote. He also promised he’d speak “truthfully” about farm subsidies while in Iowa on Monday.
“We will grow our economy if we shrink our government.”
He also said he wanted to ethanol subsidies…
In Iowa.
He has some iron bolas
Pawlenty: Real change is about telling hard truths
Cheney for Hummers!…vs…”Joe-I’m-just-Biden-my-time” for Amtrak!
Hard-truths #43 & #17:
Aeroplane$ w/body scans & ProSportsInc. are over-rated.
heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™)
Amtrak Proving Popular with Price-Conscious Travelers:
Jason Gallagher Jason Gallagher – Sun May 22, 2011
Travelers have found a new way to get to their destinations. In a strange twist of popularity, what was once old is new again, and folks are taking the train more than ever. Amtrak ridership has increased for 18 consecutive months. In April, Amtrak carried almost 2.7 million passengers, which is almost ten percent more than April 2010. The popular rail service has now set ridership records in seven of the last eight fiscal years, according to Rail.co. Last year, Amtrak carried 28.7 million passengers to their destinations.
Here in Tucson, Amtrak stops during the wee hours of the morning. This proves to be a deterrent for quite a few people.
OTOH, for the more adventurous folks, a long wait for the train could prove to be quite enjoyable. After all, you could be dancing the night away at Club Congress, which is right across the street from the station. Then, after Club Congo closes, you can just boogie over to the station and hop on your train and sleep off the fun.
That’s exactly what Hwy does on the train from Salt Lake to Denver!
“I’m going to New York City to tell Wall Street”
Uh huh. Good-N-Pawlenty from Frogballs, Arkansas is uh gunna shown dem dar city folk a ting or too.
~ These clowns never stop…
Illinois plan to cut mortgage debt is making waves
Would helping hand for ‘underwater’ borrowers make a difference?
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — A pilot program close to getting off the ground in Illinois seeks to use $100 million in taxpayer dollars to help potentially thousands of troubled mortgage holders in the state who owe more than their homes are worth.
Backers of the program, which needs the approval of the U.S. Treasury Department to move forward, argue that it will stabilize neighborhoods, reduce foreclosures, help the economic recovery and ultimately cost taxpayers nothing. Opponents insist it will leave taxpayers on the hook and drive better-off homeowners to engage in so-called strategic default, leading to more foreclosures and less stability. Read more on the higher costs associated with strategic default.
At issue is a proposal by Mercy Housing, a non-profit group that’s seeking to set up a mortgage stabilization fund using $100 million in capital from roughly $7.5 billion in taxpayer funds from the Troubled Asset Relief Program.
The funds have been allocated to 18 states designated as having been hit the hardest in the tidal wave of foreclosures, including Illinois, to create programs for delinquent homeowners. A portion of the funds is to go to state programs for borrowers with so-called underwater loans, which means they owe more than what the mortgage is worth usually because of a decline in home values.
Mercy Housing is seeking to use the fund to initially buy as many as 3,000 mortgages from underwater borrowers. Proponents say the loans — which are on the verge of foreclosure — can be bought at such a major discount from banks that balances could be reduced to levels below what the homes in question are worth.
News from the home rental market in my neighborhood (mid-Peninsula, Bay Area).
My landlord/neighbor just bought another house to rent (the math, doesn’t make sense, but he just wanted to control the property on the other side of his house–he now can control who both of his immediate neighbors are).
Anyway, it’s a 3/1, and needs a lot of help–he’s going to rehab the home later, but for now, he cleaned it up quickly, put it on Craigslist for rent, and he had it leased in a day.
Leasing in a day isn’t all that uncommon. When I rented the house on the other side of him in 2003, the listing came up on Craigslist on a Sunday morning, and by the time we saw it at about 10:00am that same day, we were second in line…we got lucky that the person in front of us declined to take the house.
Anyway, according to my landlord, the current rental market is significantly stronger than in 2003 (he owns a number of other properties as well, so he has a good context for judgement). The landlord said that he had people swarming his new acquisition almost immediately.
I’m moving out within the next month…he has told me not to tell people what he was charging me…I expect him to raise the rents for the next tenant by 10-25% over what I am paying. And I think he’ll get someone to pay it.
Go Utarrrrrrrrrr!
Utah Goes for Gold: State Puts Metal Coins on Par with the Dollar:
By Stacy Curtin | Daily Ticker / Yahoo
Utah has gone for gold — quite literally.
Last week the state became the first to pass legislation legalizing gold and silver as forms of currency. The law also exempts the coins — which are typically considered an investment — from capital gains taxes.
Utah is not alone in this desire for an alternative to the weakening U.S. dollar. There are about nine other states considering similar laws, including North Carolina and Idaho.
As the law stands, Utah retailers are not required to accept this new form of currency. Probably a good thing since placing a real-time value on gold coins would be particularly tricky…
It’s so hard merchants in Europe were able to do it for many years before computerized cash registers.
x3 Del tacos @ .49 = ? in gold
middle-school kid with ipod running at max.: “Hey senior dude with dementia, I want my change in silver & copper” Hurry up would ya…”
That’s happens when you tell voters their “free” stuff is going away…
Zapatero’s Socialists Routed in Spanish Backlash Over Austerity Measures
By Emma Ross-Thomas - May 23, 2011
May 23 (Bloomberg) — Bloomberg’s Owen Thomas and Elliott Gotkine report on the prospects for Spain’s austerity program after Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero’s Socialist party suffered its worst defeat in more than 30 years in local elections.
Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero’s Socialist party had its worst electoral setback in more than 30 years, prompting a shift in regional power that risks swelling the public deficit.
Spanish bonds fell after results showed the opposition People’s Party won 38 percent of the vote in municipal elections yesterday, compared with 28 percent for the ruling Socialists. The Socialists lost control of Barcelona for the first time since 1979 and ceded Seville, leaving the party in opposition in the nation’s four biggest cities. The central region of Castilla-La Mancha, held by the Socialists for three decades, fell to the PP, as did the Balearic Islands.
The transfer of power in the regions may spark doubts over Spain’s ability to contain its budget deficit. Spanish bonds declined amid concern newly elected officials may reveal weaker finances than their predecessors reported. The defeat, capping a week of street protests, may further weaken Zapatero as he cuts the euro-region’s third-largest shortfall to avoid following Greece, Portugal and Ireland in needing a bailout.
and then things got interesting.
That’s happens when you tell voters their “free” stuff is going away…
OR
This is what happens when your policies lead to 20% unemployment and massive deficits…
More likely the latter. The bubble was nice while it lasted.
So how long until Spain goes back to the Peseta? While they can’t print Euros, they can certainly print Pesetas.
Might not be long now, getting hotter and hotter there. This “austerity” plan is not popular at all.
Might not be long now, getting hotter and hotter there.
Having spent time in Spain, I can assure you that you DO NOT want to annoy Spaniards. Just don’t do it. Ever.
I want to go out on a limb and suggest something is afoot in Ireland. In the space of just one week the Queen and now the POTUS.
I wonder if they are considering pulling out of the EU and ditching their debt like Iceland?
I want to go out on a limb and suggest something is afoot in Ireland. In the space of just one week the Queen and now the POTUS.
I wonder if they are considering pulling out of the EU and ditching their debt like Iceland?
Methinks that the EU needs Ireland more than Ireland needs the EU. Even in its current state, it is one of the brighter success stories of Western Europe.
was
Not that it matters…Print, baby print!
(Reuters) - President Ronald Reagan once famously said that a stack of $1,000 bills equivalent to the U.S. government’s debt would be about 67 miles high.
That was 1981. Since then, the national debt has climbed to $14.3 trillion. In $1,000 bills, it would now be more than 900 miles tall.
In $1 bills, the pile would reach to the moon and back twice.
The United States hit its legal borrowing limit on Monday, and the Treasury Department has said the U.S. Congress must raise the debt ceiling by August 2 to avoid a default.
The White House is trying to hammer out a deal with lawmakers to cut federal spending in exchange for a debt-limit increase.
Most people have trouble conceptualizing $14.3 trillion.
Stan Collender, a budget expert at Qorvis Communications, said the biggest sum most Americans have ever handled — in real or play money — is the $15,140 in the original, standard Monopoly board game.
The United States borrows about 185 times that amount each minute.
Here are some other metrics for understanding the size of the national debt and United States borrowing:
* U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has said the United States borrows about $125 billion per month.
With that amount, the United States could buy each of its more than 300 million residents an Apple Inc iPad.
* In a 31-day month, that means the United States borrows about $4 billion per day.
A stack of dimes equivalent to that amount would wrap all the way around the Earth with change to spare.
* In one hour, the United States borrows about $168 million, more than it paid to buy Alaska in 1867, converted to today’s dollars.
In two hours, the United States borrows more than it paid France for present-day Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa and the rest of the land obtained by the 1803 Louisiana Purchase.
* The U.S. government borrows more than $40,000 per second. That’s more than the cost of a year’s tuition, room and board at many universities.
“That usually gets their attention,” Doug Holtz-Eakin, who was chief White House economist under President George W. Bush, said in an email. “I have two kids, so every 10 seconds, the feds borrow more than I paid lifetime.”
* The Congressional Budget Office projects the total budget deficit in fiscal 2011 at about $1.4 trillion.
“The net worth of Bill Gates, roughly around $56 billion, could only cover the deficit for 15 days,” said Jason Peuquet, a policy analyst with the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. “The net worth of Warren Buffet, roughly around $50 billion, could only cover the deficit for 13 days.”
“That usually gets their attention,” Doug Holtz-Eakin, who was chief White House economist under President George W. Bush
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I wish he would have gotten President Bush’s attention during his employment at the White House.
Like I said- the deficit hawks only squawk when they’re OUT of power. Then, suddenly, the deficit that in their reign didn’t matter, is an EMERGENCY!
Your attention span is too long. We are really catering to those with an horizon of the end of this week.
deficit chicken-hawks
Thief Steals Woman’s Hair At Bus Stop
SAO PAULO (AP) - Brazilian police say a thief cut off and stole a woman’s long hair while she waited at a bus stop.
Police say the hair was virgin, meaning it had not been chemically treated, and will probably be sold for the production of wigs.
Inspector Jose Carlos Bezerra da Silva said Friday to Globo TV’s G1 website that the woman was waiting for a bus in the central city of Goiania when the man used a knife-like weapon to cut the hair, which reached past her waist. She said she thought the man was going to steal her purse so she turned her back to him.
Silva said he’d never seen a theft like it in 20 years.
He said the 24-year-old woman reported the case to police because she is evangelical and had to explain to her pastor why her hair wasn’t long anymore.
It’s ok, the rapture made him do it. Your pastor will understand.
ElBaradei: Egypt is ‘disintegrating’ as tourism drops
By BLOOMBERG
“People don’t feel secure, they’re buying guns,” former IAEA chief says; Egypt suffering from lack of tourism, no investment, inflation.
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Egypt is disintegrating socially and its economy “is bust,” said Mohamed ElBaradei, the former director of the International Atomic Energy Agency and possible candidate for the Egyptian presidency.
“Right now, socially, we are disintegrating,” ElBaradei said on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS,” scheduled to air Sunday. “Economically we are not in the best state. Politically it’s — it’s like a black hole. We do not know where we are heading.”
Wait until they vote in the Brotherhood and loose US aid. Not a pretty situation.
California’s low crime rates were nice while they lasted.
Supreme Court upholds order for California to release 46,000 inmates
Inmates at dinner
Inmates sit for dinner at the California State Prison in Lancaster. A federal overseer of the state’s prison system has suggested freeing the sickest inmates as a way to cut costs. (Gary Friedman / Los Angeles Times / June 10, 2010)
By James Oliphant Washington Bureau
May 23, 2011, 7:31 a.m.
Reporting from Washington—
The Supreme Court, in a narrow 5-4 decision, has an upheld an injunction by a three-judge panel ordering California to release about 46,000 inmates — more than one-fourth the state prison population — over the next two years to relieve overcrowding.
The decision was written by Justice Anthony Kennedy and backed by the court’s liberal bloc. At issue was whether federal judges had the power to order the release of state prisoners as a necessary means of curing a constitutional violation.
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http://www.economy.com/dismal/article_free.asp?cid=199776
“The number of consumer loans including first mortgages that are between 30 and 90 days delinquent has plunged from 22 million in early 2009 to less than 14 million, the lowest level since the late 1990s. ”
Interesting. Most must be other consumer loans. While early home mortgage delinquencies have fallen (30-90 days(, they are not “late 90’s” low.
“The U.S economy will grow faster than its potential rate in the medium term, and reach full employment by the end of 2014.”
Full employment? What’s that? Or do they count people with P/T no benefits jobs and people on welfare as “fully employed”?
Maybe they mean all UI benefits will have been exhausted. At that point, we have no “unemployed”.
And now, a story from the commercial side:
Citigroup might take $186 million haircut on Destiny USA loans
Citigroup wants to get out of the Destiny USA project so badly it is giving mall developer Robert Congel a $186 million incentive to find another lender.
Included deep inside an agreement that settled a two-year lawsuit between the bank and Congel in March is an offer by Citigroup Global Markets Realty Corp. to forgive two loans totaling $186 million if the developer pays off a separate $310 million mortgage held by the bank on Congel’s Carousel Center shopping mall in Syracuse.
The debts Citigroup would forgive include money it loaned Congel to build the unfinished Carousel Center expansion.
Congel likely would have to refinance his $310 million mortgage with another lender to pay it off by the deadline in the agreement — 2013. The agreement allows him to extend the date until 2015, but only if he makes extra principal payments totaling $100 million.
If Congel cannot pay off or refinance the mortgage, the $186 million owed on the other two loans — an $86 million construction loan and a $100 million mortgage on the mall — must be paid off in full.
In the meantime, the developer must make interest payments on the $186 million, but he will not have to make principal payments.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/citigroup_willing_to_forgive_1.html
I remember posting several years ago about the Carosel looking like a failing project. These things take such a long time to come to their tragic end. Parking for “green” vehicles only, indeed.
This is interesting. It looks like the bank actually wants something in return for the Poof! happening here. Gotta ask the wife about the Congels… one minute…
Here’s the thing about Congel:
From the article: “In the meantime, the developer must make interest payments on the $186 million, but he will not have to make principal payments.”
There is a big white box stuck in the front of the Carousel Mall. This guy’s not paying people for their work, isn’t required to pay the bank their principal and is receiving money in tax breaks* for the clean up of the site. Talk about coming out smelling like a rose.
*”Destiny USA, the shopping mall expansion stuck in neutral, stands to gain $54 million in tax breaks from a state environmental cleanup program even though its cleanup costs are insignificant, state officials say.
The windfall for Destiny’s Robert Congel comes via the state’s Brownfield Cleanup Program, which started as a way to encourage developers to build on contaminated land but has turned into a mess of its own.
http://www.npcr.net/press/040410.html
Just caught a promo for tonight’s HBO movie premier “Too Big To Fail,” and I’m not encouraged. It’s being marketed here as an apologea for the investment banks, Bernanke, Paulson, et al; I.E.; “If we hadn’t bailed them out, life as we know it would have come to a halt.” And “We saved America.”
Anyone in the yeast watching the film? Should I bother?
I’m watching some Mergansers parade aound in front of my dock. Sounds more interesting.
I’m watching this so you don’t have to…
Oh poor Hank. Poor noble Hank. Hank saved us all.
(Not one word of his culpability.) Oh no! Now poor Hank is barfing in the toilet….
Me too.
Yep. That’s the gist of the movie. Hank the martyr.
My venom for banking scum grew two sizes though. Especially for Dimon and Thain.
Did you guys hear? Poof! is back!
1. On your marks, get set, Poof!
2. The only thing we have to fear, is Poof! itself.
3. That’s one small Poof! for man; one giant Poof! for mankind.
4. Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of Poof!
5. All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same Poof!
Stanley Owsley lives!
Quote: When ah think of all those poor white people- forced to buy new bass boats and pick-up trucks and take vacations to Hawaii every year with their home equity credit-lines- I weep for our nation, and how the minorities forced their corruption on all of us.
*snicker*
What’s your point? Oh, I get it. You think I don’t hold “poor white people” responsible for their role in the meltdown. Well, you’re wrong. There were a lot of idiots involved. Including everyone who borrowed money that had no hope in repaying their loans. And those that threw the money around recklessly. And those that urged the throwing around of money. Government idiots, Banking idiots, real estate idiots included. Got that, snicker-boy?