June 8, 2011

Those Dummies That Should Have Known Better

The St. Augustine Record reports from Florida. “A leading national economist said Friday that the St. Augustine housing market is recovering. ‘Locally, the market is beginning to stabilize,’ Lawrence Yun, National Association of Realtors chief economist and senior vice president of research, told an audience of Realtors, community leaders and Chamber of Commerce members. That’s a notion that area officials want but are hesitant to believe. The St. Johns County Property Appraiser’s office has said it’s too soon to tell, and so do area taxing entities, which have seen property tax revenues drop.”

“Though good news peppered the rest of the talk, the positives quickly gave way to a more sobering picture: a fragile national housing market that could easily be wrecked by spiking oil prices and Washington policy decisions. Yun said some policy decisions have helped the housing market, like the home buyer tax credits. He gave two scenarios for the next couple of years — one positive, one negative. In the positive scenario, rents continue to squeeze renters, who decide to buy; foreign investors continue to take advantage of the weak dollar in order to buy homes and lending standards continue to loosen. ‘Normalized’ lending standards could spur a 15 percent to 20 percent increase in sales, he said.”

“In the negative scenario, Democrats and Republicans alike implement policies that Yun calls harmful to the housing recovery. If Republicans are successful in their bids to increase required down payments to 20 percent for government-backed loans, that would stymie the recovery, he said, because it would take the average family 14 years to save up enough. The GOP’s effort to lower loan limits would also hamper a housing recovery, he said.”

“And Democrats who go after the rich by limiting mortgage interest deductions for high incomes and second homes could also crunch the market. So would Dems going after ‘tax cheats’ by forcing small business to file massive amounts of 1099 paperwork and to hire IRS agents. ‘I hope the people in Washington don’t put too many obstacles in the way of the housing recovery … in its current fragile state,’ Yun said.”

“But Yun told the audience that the only way for national and local markets to fully recover is to eliminate the large number of homes glutting the market. ‘Absorbing the inventory is critical to a housing recovery,’ Yun said. In Florida, there are 1.5 million vacant houses.”

The Palm Beach Post. “Federal mortgage giant Fannie Mae more than doubled the amount of time Florida attorneys have to complete a foreclosure, acknowledging the reality of the state’s overwhelmed court system and problems with foreclosure paperwork. Law firms now have 450 days (about 15 months), up from 185 (six months), to move a foreclosure from the first referral to an attorney to a foreclosure auction before fines can be levied.”

‘As of the end of 2010, Fannie Mae had $184 billion in unpaid home loan principal in Florida with a seriously delinquent rate of 12 percent. Whether the longer deadline will have any impact in Florida remains to be seen. RealtyTrac estimated last month that the average Florida foreclosure takes 619 days from the initial court filing to bank repossession.”

“‘They can’t get foreclosures done in 185 days and I don’t think they can get them done in 450 right now,’ said Boca Raton-based foreclosure defense attorney Ron Kaniuk. ‘They can tell the bank attorneys whatever they want, but without funding, the courts are going to grind to a slow, pathetic halt.’”

The Miami Herald. “More than 400,000 South Florida homeowners owe more on their mortgages than their properties are worth, a new quarterly report by research firm CoreLogic shows. In Miami-Dade, 236,103 homeowners were underwater during first quarter of this year, a rate of 46.6 percent. That’s down slightly from the fourth quarter of 2010, when 245,530 properties had negative equity, a rate of 48.2 percent. In Broward, the underwater rate is 49.4 percent, for at total of 212,606 properties.”

“‘People who had a second mortgage were more than twice as likely to tbe undewater,’ said Shari Olefson, a Fort Lauderdale attorney. ‘You went from an 80 or 90 percent loan-to-value [ratio] to 100 percent so automatically you’re going to see more people underwater when values started going down.’”

“In Florida, there are more than 2 million underwater homes, equal to 46.1 percent of all mortgages.”

The Tampa Tribune. “In the Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater area, 17.05 percent of home loans were 90 days or more delinquent in March, according to CoreLogic. Matt Larson, a housing analyst for Weiss Research in Jupiter, said the data is a reflection of the overall trouble in the housing market.”

“‘If you want to call it a double-dip you can,’ Larson said. ‘Many think we never really actually rebounded at all.’”

From Florida Today. “The economic downturn has left community banks struggling, largely because of real estate and business loans gone bad. The impact has been felt on the Space Coast and throughout Florida. In the past two years, 45 Florida-based banks have failed. The vast majority was smaller, community banks, and independent analysts say many other banks are in poor shape.”

“The housing bust led to an economic downturn that hampered businesses across the spectrum. That in turn led to increasing defaults in both business and consumer loans. And the value of the real estate backing those loans typically fell far below the loan amounts. ‘We are seeing real estate appraisals coming back now at less than half of what they were when we started,’ said Kevin Sacket, president and CFO of Sunrise Bank in Cocoa Beach. ‘So, yeah, a lot of our troubles are directly related to that.’”

The Herald Tribune. “Dennis Fullenkamp, a prominent Southwest Florida real estate investor who made tens of millions of dollars buying and selling land from Cape Coral to North Port, has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Federal court documents prepared by his Naples attorney, John S. Sarrett, say that Fullenkamp filed for protection ‘on account of the distressed Florida real estate market and its impact upon his investments.’”

“Considered one of the savviest long-term investors in the region, Fullenkamp made a fortune buying land in Cape Coral a decade before bulldozers arrived there, and repeated that same formula in North Port and Port Charlotte. In 2005 and 2006, he spent more than $30 million to buy nearly 4,500 acres of prime land along U.S. 17, just south of Arcadia in DeSoto County.’

“Evidence of his financial problems began to appear in court records two years ago when Florida Community Bank foreclosed on a 165-acre golf course in Rotonda West that he was planning to develop with a group of investors.”

“A development company controlled by The Carlyle Group has sold the 44-unit Hyatt Siesta Key Beach condo complex to NS/CSE Siesta Key LLC for $32.3 million. CRP/Triton Siesta Key Property Owner LLC bought the property at 915 Seaside Drive for $3.35 million in May 2007 and completed the 152,000-square-foot, luxury resort in 2009. In addition to its $32.3 million purchase, NC/CSE also assumed responsibility for a $57 million loan that the original development group borrowed in March 2008.”

“Here is what Harold Bubil wrote about the resort in August 2009: ‘The resort is run by Hyatt like a four-star hotel, with concierge, maid service, catering and upscale amenities. The apartments are not glorified hotel rooms. If they were being sold as single-owner condos, the biggest units, facing the Gulf, would be priced in the millions. They have Sub-Zero/Wolf/Miele/Fisher & Paykel kitchens, Carl Ross-designed contemporary-casual décor, double-master suite layouts, fine linens, and spacious floor plans of 1,865 to 2,920 square feet.’”

“‘A buyer estimated that nearly two dozen people have put pen to paper, some of them responding to recent price cuts that put prices for the smallest units at $137,500 for three weeks (two fixed weeks and one floating week). There are 352 deeds available among the 44 apartments. Owners — most of them all-cash buyers — can stay for a total of three or six weeks throughout the year.’”

The Sun Sentinel. “The Boca Raton/Deerfield Beach area has a serious oversupply of unsold condominiums, according to an analysis by CondoVultures, a real estate consulting firm. At the current sales pace, it would take nearly 19 years to find buyers for all the unsold condos built or created since 2003, CondoVultures said.”

“‘More than one out of every three condos created in the Boca Raton/Deerfield Beach market during the boom have not yet sold,’ Peter Zalewski, a principal with CondoVultures, said in a statement. ‘The biggest factor driving this trend is the unwillingness of developers to slash prices.’”

The News Press. “The City of Fort Myers is considering whether to purchase riverfront property that was foreclosed on during the market crash. Initially, the six parcels to the west of Centennial Park were intended for a luxury, high-rise condominium complex called The Vue, but those plans fell through.”

‘Now, the $1.5 million price tag is about one-sixteenth of the original purchase price.”

From WINK News. “Floridians who walked away from their homes hoping also to walk away from their debt may still be on the hook for what they owe. Bankruptcy attorneys say they’re seeing more and more banks filing for something called a deficiency judgment. In the state of Florida, creditors like banks have up to five years to file for a deficiency judgment. Now some Floridians who lost their home in foreclosure or by short sale years ago are just now receiving those judgments.”

“Bankruptcy attorneys say if you don’t have that waiver and didn’t declare bankruptcy and get the debt dismissed, you could still be on the hook for the money. Bankruptcy Attorney Carmen Dellutri explained to us what that could mean for a former homeowner, ‘If a creditor had a deficiency judgment against me, they could try to garnish my wages. They could go after bank accounts. they could go after any equity in my vehicles and do what they call a replevin action. They could put a lien on any real estate other than my homestead. So if I had a vacant lot in Cape Coral, they could put a lien on that.’”

“Dellutri says Florida’s laws make it very easy for creditors to take action once they have received a ruling from a judge. ‘It’s instantaneous. It is fast. The most likely one is garnishment of the bank accounts.’”

“Bankruptcy attorneys say the banks don’t have to file for that judgment right away, so they’re seeing people who lost their home as long as two years ago come to their office trying to figure out how to deal with this issue.”

The News Herald. “Lindsay Hall took out a $200,000 loan in 2005 on her paid-off beach house with the understanding that her $600 monthly Social Security check would cover the mortgage payments. When her interest rate jumped more than a year ago, it raised her mortgage payments to $1,500. At that point, Hall started the fight to save her home.”

“Hall has negotiated with her loan servicer, IndyMac Mortgage Services, to modify her loan payments multiple times. Each time she negotiates payments within her $600 budget, the modification is rejected and the mortgage payment jumps back to $1,500 a month, she said. After loan modification talks failed, Hall tried to change her loan through the Home Affordable Modification Program. For the past three months, she was able to make payments of $585. Hall, who continues to work, received a letter informing her that she no longer qualifies for the program based on her income and that her payments will jump back to $1,500 a month.’

“Hall purchased her two-bedroom beach house in 1970, paying $38,000 for the property with the income she generated from owning and operating a dance studio in Dothan, Ala. At the time, her mortgage payment was $103 a month. When Hall semiretired in 1994, she moved to Panama City Beach as a full-time resident.”

“Hall took out a $50,000 loan in 1994 to update the property, which she paid off. In the 2000s, Hall’s elderly mother moved into the home, and in 2005 following the advice of a friend, Hall took out a $200,000 loan on her beach house, which was valued at $400,000, to convert the garage into a mother-in-law suite, add central heating and air, reroof, pay off credit cards and purchase a vehicle.”

“‘I didn’t have a fixed rate, which I know all about now,’ she said. ‘I’m one of those dummies that should have known better. Now, my $400,000 house is worth $180,000 — if we were lucky.’”

“‘If you miss three payments, the bank passes off the case to a law firm to begin foreclosure proceedings,’ said Florida foreclosure defense attorney David C. Hicks. ‘People are getting a false sense of security from banks.’”

“Mediation, like in the case of Hall, does not typically produce a positive outcome for homeowners. ‘What we have seen is that mediation has not done a great deal,’ said Hicks, who is based out of Tampa. ‘For one reason, there’s no principal reduction, so if you are upside down in equity there is no way to get out from under it.’”

“Hicks explained that homeowners are still responsible for the outstanding loan, even if a property goes into foreclosure and is sold. ‘The biggest mistake you can make is getting a deficiency judgment,’ Hicks said. ‘The loan follows the person, not the property. The property secures the loan, but that does not stop banks from being able to garnish wages and other assets.’”

“A big misunderstanding with loans is that the institution to which a mortgage payment is made out does not own the loan; it is servicing the loan. In many servicing agreements, there are clauses that allow banks to make more money on a foreclosure than on servicing a 30-year loan, Hicks said. ‘They don’t care about loan modifications,’ Hicks said.”

“In the cases where loan modifications are granted, 60 percent of the homeowners are in default again within nine months, Hicks said. Hicks recommended legal aid or hiring a professional attorney. ‘Victory depends on the equity status of the house,’ Hicks said. ‘You can’t expect miracles. … Do not expect the federal or state government to help.’”

“The News Herald wrote a story about Hall and several other local individuals dealing with foreclosure in March 2010. After the article appeared, Hall said her borrowers started calling her and working toward a loan modification, a task that has yet to be completed. ‘I goofed up and borrowed more money than I should have,’ Hall said. ‘It would be much easier to give up. I need some help, people.’”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-06-08 07:31:13

‘Hicks explained that homeowners are still responsible for the outstanding loan, even if a property goes into foreclosure and is sold. ‘The biggest mistake you can make is getting a deficiency judgment,’ Hicks said.’

‘A big misunderstanding with loans is that the institution to which a mortgage payment is made out does not own the loan; it is servicing the loan. In many servicing agreements, there are clauses that allow banks to make more money on a foreclosure than on servicing a 30-year loan, Hicks said. ‘They don’t care about loan modifications,’ Hicks said.’

This is what gets me about the Evil Banker theme we see in the media and DC. They can cry all day long about bankers, but they are just servicing the loans. Why don’t they ask the actual lender? IMO, it’s because it would come out that it’s your pension fund, or life insurance company that loaned the money. Then the victim scenario changes quite a bit.

‘In the cases where loan modifications are granted, 60 percent of the homeowners are in default again within nine months, Hicks said. Hicks recommended legal aid or hiring a professional attorney. ‘Victory depends on the equity status of the house,’ Hicks said. ‘You can’t expect miracles. … Do not expect the federal or state government to help.’

I also believe we would all be better off if we cut out the political grandstanding and boo-hooing and started educating people about what the options are.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-06-08 07:51:46

“They can cry all day long about bankers, but they are just servicing the loans. Why don’t they ask the actual lender? IMO, it’s because it would come out that it’s your pension fund, or life insurance company that loaned the money.”

So if I’ve got this right, it wouldn’t be the evil banker. It would be the evil retired grandmother living on a fixed income?

Comment by polly
2011-06-08 08:10:41

Well, people receiving pensions don’t get to vote if the trust asks owners to approve/disapprove allowing the servicers to modify a loan rather than forclosing on the house. It is the guy who runs the pension fund and his minions who do that. I expect grandma would want them to do whichever action makes it most likely that the pension fund doesn’t have to go under and get taken over by PBGC (and her getting a 40% reduction in her income). The fact the action that will lead to that result is unclear complicates the matter. And the fact that the guy who runs the pension fund is trying to put off acknowledging losses that might result in him not getting his full 6 or 7 figure bonus this year complicates it even more.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-06-08 08:11:39

I don’t want to over simplify it, as that isn’t helpful either. But the issues are not as is being portrayed in the press. How about it media? Can we get down to real brass tacks on who the stakeholders are here?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-06-08 08:41:12

I think that if Joe6pak discovered his pension fund (or his grandmother’s) was invested heavily in MBSs, then he would favor far more government intervention in supporting house prices, not less. Suddenly he’d realize it was his pension that was going to get liquidated, not just some rich guy’s holdings.

Comment by Timinwherever
2011-06-08 10:21:48

I work in the public sector and am involved in a state pension system. The #1 company I am invested in via said pension is Exxon-Mobile. Cracks me up when people stand around the office water cooler blasting those evil oil companies.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-06-08 13:49:10

‘he would favor far more government intervention in supporting house prices’

You know, I get it. You like government, and the more the better.

But IMO, you’ve missed the point. What we hear from the media is these evil banks are foreclosing on innocent borrowers. But the names given are basically loan servicers. If they didn’t foreclose (part of what they get paid to do), someone else would. It’s the people all around you that are trying to collect the collateral for the loans. They’ve already lost a ton of money, now it’s time to try and collect a few pennies on the dollar. So, what is wrong with pension funds, for example, trying to get what’s left of their money? This is a bit different than “Evil Wall Street Mega-Billionaires Kick Granny Out On The Street!”

Anyway, govt has zero chance of “supporting” housing bubble prices in the long run. That should be obvious to everyone by now.

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Comment by oxide
2011-06-08 14:14:24

I understand your point, Ben.

However, the loan servicers aren’t totally blameless, as they were the ones who initiated the loan and securitized it for quick fees and profit.

It’s pretty funny though. Pension funds were heavily invested in banks, banks were bailed out by taxpayers, which saved the bank shareholders. Those shareholders are pension funds which are given contributions by workers who are also taxpayers. So the taxpayers are bailing themselves out. Man, talk about a shell game — or maybe a circular pyramid scheme?

I wonder if Geithner designed it that way.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-06-08 07:52:37

“and lending standards continue to loosen. ‘Normalized’ lending standards could spur a 15 percent to 20 percent increase in sales, he said.”

Gack!

Comment by Young Deezy
2011-06-08 08:25:51

Heh, “normalized”. Normal is apparently relative. In this case normal=bubble-era suicide loans.

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-06-08 08:03:09

“In the negative scenario, Democrats and Republicans alike implement policies that Yun calls harmful to the housing recovery. If Republicans are successful in their bids to increase required down payments to 20 percent for government-backed loans, that would stymie the recovery, he said, because it would take the average family 14 years to save up enough. The GOP’s effort to lower loan limits would also hamper a housing recovery, he said.”

They have a really different definition of “recovery” than I do. To me it just means sales volume back to normal and the market clearing. To them “recovery” is about Nasdaq getting back to 5000 prices getting back to 2006.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2011-06-08 13:19:05

Whereas I believe it will take housing prices 14 months to drop to where an average family would have a good chance of saving up a down payment if we implement a 20% down payment only plan.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-06-08 08:04:14

A day without a Florida housing bubble thread is like a day without sunshine!

Comment by rusty
2011-06-08 09:05:11

or orange juice!

 
 
Comment by monximus
2011-06-08 08:21:20

“In Florida, there are 1.5 million vacant houses.”

Sounds right. Nationally there should be ~20 million vacant houses. Assume 300 million people with 3 persons per house for a national housing vacancy rate of 20%. Then add condominiums and apartments for a vacancy rate of 30%. Building construction is only down 50% because housing prices are still artificially inflated, and they can undercut those hoping to dump when the market rebounds, and undercut the banks with their shadow inventory.

Expect prices to drop on average another 50% across the board over the next 3-4 years, especially in the above median price range. This will be mostly hidden because the $1M houses selling for $500K will be weighed higher in the median price index average. Since those houses haven’t been moving they haven’t been counted in the median price index. Two $250K houses sold and 1 $1M house sold brings an average of $500K. Two $250K houses sold and 4 $500K houses sold brings an average of $500K. This in spite of housing equity having dropped an additional $1.5M on 3 additional formerly $1M houses finally hitting the market at $500K less each.

Comment by Ken Best
2011-06-08 14:22:19

Did anyone remember the Realtor’s line during those days:
-1,000 people a day move to Florida
-Florida RE is on a permanently high plateau …

Comment by snake charmer
2011-06-08 21:00:08

It was as if people living here had been drugged.

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2011-06-08 22:38:36

Obama and the Dems want the 30 million illegal aliens to get amnesty and citizenship. They can buy or occupy the vacant houses and vote Demoncratic for ever.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-06-08 08:30:53

and lending standards continue to loosen. ‘Normalized’ lending standards could spur a 15 percent to 20 percent increase in sales, he said.”

Today - that means if you can fog a mirror you get a loan… :-(

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-06-08 08:32:37

If Republicans are successful in their bids to increase required down payments to 20 percent for government-backed loans, that would stymie the recovery, he said, because it would take the average family 14 years to save up enough. The GOP’s effort to lower loan limits would also hamper a housing recovery, he said.”

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS????????

It would lead to affordable housing and a stable housing market…for the long term!

Comment by rusty
2011-06-08 09:08:32

wouldn’t take 14 years, as the real prices would drop, and that would reduce the amount that 20% actually means.

100k house = 20k
50k house = 10k

see, cut the time/money in half right there.

Comment by oxide
2011-06-08 09:28:42

Stop it… you’re ruining Yun’s bonus!!!

7 years is not that long a time to save up for a down payment, especially for a 23-year-old couple who both work…and were smart enough to go to state college.

The DC area is already seeing the apartment rent squeeze to force people into buying houses. I myself will probably succomb to that temptation. That’s how high rents are.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2011-06-08 19:26:58

“see, cut the time/money in half right there.”

I’m not so sure that would get you to the lower prices faster. I’m more inclined to think you’d have a nearly frozen market, one with a very low level of sales, for a long period of time. There are still too many that have a stake in the higher prices. While I do think it would get you to the lower prices, I’m not sure it would speed up the process much.

 
 
Comment by CincyDad
2011-06-08 09:15:24

If 20% down payments were required, it would not take 14 years to save up the down payment on the revised cost of housing.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-06-08 19:10:45

When you talk housing I really like you alot. Stay on’em.

 
 
Comment by Steve J
2011-06-08 08:39:03

I bet Lindsey has a really great $200k garage.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-06-08 08:39:22

$137,500 for three weeks (two fixed weeks and one floating week).

Let me do some math here.

So - For the smallest “condo” and over 10 years with interest and fees (estimate)– > $200,000/210 days = about $950 a NIGHT.

Why would ANYONE do this???

You could live like a king in PARIS – with gourmet dinners and nights at the “gentlemen’s club” thrown in for free….

Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2011-06-08 19:35:02

“Who needs a gentlemen’s club?” — Dominique Strauss-Kahn

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-06-09 08:14:53

Above a certain level, the whole world becomes your gentleman’s club, right?

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-06-08 08:41:02

From WINK News. “Floridians who walked away from their homes hoping also to walk away from their debt may still be on the hook for what they owe. Bankruptcy attorneys say they’re seeing more and more banks filing for something called a deficiency judgment. In the state of Florida, creditors like banks have up to five years to file for a deficiency judgment. Now some Floridians who lost their home in foreclosure or by short sale years ago are just now receiving those judgments.”

No FB dollar will be allowed to escape.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-06-08 08:46:40

Hall purchased her two-bedroom beach house in 1970, paying $38,000 for the property with the income she generated from owning and operating a dance studio in Dothan, Ala.

There was something right in America in 1970 when a you could buy a beach front home from income generated a dance studio in Dothan, Ala…

Comment by rusty
2011-06-08 09:12:44

now you have to have at least a strawberry picking job to get one, ha ha.

 
 
Comment by Montana
2011-06-08 08:49:24

“they’re seeing more and more banks filing for something called a deficiency judgment.. ”

Oh golly folks, sorry to throw such BIG WORDS at you!

Comment by Bad Andy
2011-06-08 08:58:33

The banks are likely only going to go after those with assets. A judgment does nothing for a bank if they can’t collect on it.

 
Comment by vicever
2011-06-08 10:27:54

I do not understand these folks. Unless you can make tax payer pick the tab, shrink the debt you owned, you still own those debt in a recourse state. Why doing modification and getting more people involved? The more people involved means more people need to be paid, more fees. The people includes everybody you talked with including lawyers, other clerks in other financial institutes. The least money you can pay is the original debt, unless you get tax payer pays the difference.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-06-08 08:51:05

Hall took out a $200,000 loan on her beach house, which was valued at $400,000, to convert the garage into a mother-in-law suite, add central heating and air, reroof, pay off credit cards and purchase a vehicle.”

Let’s see:

Convert a garage to a “mother-in-law suite” - $20,000
New roof - $5,000
New Heat pump - $4,000

Total - about $30,000

Those credit card bills were enourmous. And a NEW car?

And I am supposed to feel sorry for you?

Comment by rusty
2011-06-08 09:14:44

Even if you double those costs…. she made out like a bandit. Wonder how many trips to Europe/Cruises were added to the credit card bills before they were paid off?

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2011-06-08 09:07:40

“A leading national economist said Friday that the St. Augustine housing market is recovering. ‘Locally, the market is beginning to stabilize,’ Lawrence Yun, National Association of Realtors chief economist and senior vice president of research, told an audience of Realtors, community leaders and Chamber of Commerce members.”

STFU, Yun.

Comment by oxide
2011-06-08 09:32:41

“Stabilize” and “recover” are two different things entirely. “Recover” means that an FB might be able to to hang on until he can sell when he’s only slightly underwather. “Stabilize” means bounce along the bottom, and the same FB would be best to go BK ASAP, because waiting will only make it worse.

 
Comment by CrackerBob
2011-06-08 10:07:40

Me thinks Yun speaks with forked tun.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2011-06-08 11:42:13

Looks like the circus came to St. Augustine, in the form of a clown “economist” who want our government to ensure that all 1.5 million vacant houses in this state remain overpriced relative to the incomes of people who actually live and work here.

And he thinks squeezing renters is a positive scenario, because my God, our economy depends on chaining citizens to depreciating assets. My positive scenario is that this county ends up with one-tenth of the realtors it currently has.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-06-08 11:49:14

My positive scenario is that this county ends up with one-tenth of the realtors it currently has.

ISTR reading that, until the last 10 years or so, this country had far fewer real estate agents.

And, when I was a young pup, my understanding was that real estate agenting was something you did on the side. Like a teacher during summer break. Or a housewife while the kids were in school.

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-06-08 10:17:00

From the original post:

The Tampa Tribune. “In the Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater area, 17.05 percent of home loans were 90 days or more delinquent in March, according to CoreLogic. Matt Larson, a housing analyst for Weiss Research in Jupiter, said the data is a reflection of the overall trouble in the housing market.”

“‘If you want to call it a double-dip you can,’ Larson said. ‘Many think we never really actually rebounded at all.’”

To which I say:

Unless *Mike* Larson has a brother named Matt who also works at Weiss Research, I’d say that the Tampa Trib mis-identified him. BTW, Mike Larson is a very good housing analyst.

 
Comment by Lesser Fool
2011-06-08 12:21:34

1984 doublespeak is well and truly here. All of Yun’s “positive” scenarios are in fact negative, and vice versa. But nobody (who matters) says anything; nobody contradicts. No weight is given to this man’s horrendous predictions and analyses of the past. He is still given full respect, power, and a platform. This is incredible. The American people are being told that black is white, and they are going along with it.

Comment by Muggy
2011-06-08 12:53:54

Someone should heckle Yun with a clown horn. Every time he speaks…

Yucka! Yuckayucka! YuYuYucka!

 
 
Comment by barnaby33
2011-06-08 17:03:43

Ben, you are never going to get straight facts, never. Its a noble request but will always fall on deaf ears. Context, or rather an axe to grind, is what makes a story readable.

This poor woman, only thinking of her mother (and not having to live in the same house as her!) Those evil credit cards companies/banks/car dealers etc. Or conversely, that stupid broad she should have known better than to borrow money she can’t afford. Seems like those are the only two options available.

Comment by toast on the coast 90803
2011-06-08 18:21:11

What ever happened to Leslie Simpleton Young the economist for the California Association of Realtors?
I thought the market was to level out but not deflate. like a soufle

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-06-08 19:13:31

God damn you Larry Yun.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2011-06-08 22:48:07

L.A.Y. is in San Rafael telling everyone that their house prices wont go DOWN any further. NOT

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-06-08 23:09:20

“In the negative scenario, Democrats and Republicans alike implement policies that Yun calls harmful to the housing recovery. If Republicans are successful in their bids to increase required down payments to 20 percent for government-backed loans, that would stymie the recovery, he said, because it would take the average family 14 years to save up enough. The GOP’s effort to lower loan limits would also hamper a housing recovery, he said.”

It would take far less than 14 years to save up for a downpayment if home prices declined to levels that were affordable for typical families. And the risk of foreclosure would drop if people stopped interpreting this period of extraordinarily low down payment requirements as incentive to take out larger loans than they are ever likely to repay.

What is bad for the NAR is good for America.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-06-08 23:11:24

“The GOP’s effort to lower loan limits would also hamper a housing recovery, he said.”

P.S. If the Republicans come out strongly in favor of eliminating government housing programs that got us into this clasterfark, then I will vote straight Republican in 2012 — no if’s, and’s or but’s.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-06-09 04:22:52

Yea. The operative word is IF and you know they won’t. Both parties float on a sea of inflated housing prices.

IF one party or the other *succeeds* in deep sixing;

MID
Fannie
Freddie
Repulsively high loan limits

Will get my vote, $$$ and free labor to work on their campaigns. GOP or not.

 
 
 
Comment by Jackie Childs
2011-06-09 06:44:32

How is the market along 30A around Seaside. Anybody report from that area or update. Thx

 
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