June 21, 2011

Equity Going The Opposite Way

The Chicago Sun Times reports from Illinois. “In 2008, a 25-year-old man named Volodymyr Kuchmiyov — a Ukrainian living in Chicago on a student visa — took out two mortgages totaling $675,000 and bought a couple of brand-new condos in a building on the city’s Northwest Side. Now, Kuchmiyov is enmeshed in a mortgage-fraud case that federal authorities brought after a Chicago Sun-Times investigation last year revealed that a Chicago congressman’s daughter bought an ‘affordable housing’ unit in the same development — even though she and her husband were making more than $90,000 a year. She then flipped the condo at a profit of 55 percent — after owning it for 14 months.”

“Kuchmiyov told the FBI that, as of 2008, he was making $3,300 a month. But, on a mortgage application he filed March 4, 2008, with US Bank, Kuchmiyov had reported his monthly income was actually more than twice that amount — $7,650. Exactly two months and one day later, on May 5, 2008, he filed an application for another mortgage, for the second condo, with National City Bank. On that mortgage application, he said his monthly income was $8,111.”

“Both of his condos are now in foreclosure. When the banks sued to foreclose on him, Kuchmiyov owed them a total of $670,353, court records show.”

The Des Moines Register in Iowa. “Matt Cummings hopes to break even on the sale of his West Des Moines condo. He knows it’s going to be close, though, with an asking price of $102,900, already $7,000 less than he paid in 2005. ‘I’m looking to basically get it sold and to move on,’ said Cummings.”

“Pennie Carroll, a Re/Max real estate broker, said agents are having difficult conversations with home sellers these days. ‘Before, it was a shock to sellers, but now most understand the market has changed,’ she said. ‘It’s a very competitive market.’ You can’t expect a buyer to purchase a home that includes a boat or car financed through a home-equity loan. ‘That’s not part of your home’s value.’”

The News Messenger in Ohio. “Jim Brown, his wife and their 10-year-old twins were supposed to be on vacation this week. Instead, they will be at one of their homes. More specifically, the one in Texas — the one they want. The Browns have been in Texas for four years and since have been trying unsuccessfully to sell their old home in Zanesville.”

“After listing their home on the north end of Zanesville for sale in 2007, the Browns took out another mortgage to buy one in the Lone Star state. He took the Zanesville home off the market last year and began renting it after it became clear the price wasn’t going to be right. Brown, who never wanted to be a landlord, said he is about to lose his only tenant. His options are few. ‘We owe $109,000 on the house,” he said. ‘It was appraised just last year at $123,000, and I believe the last offer we got on it was $89,000.’”

“He’s begun talking to the bank about a short sale because their ability to continue to make payments on the Zanesville home might be in jeopardy. Four years of two monthly mortgage payments, property taxes, upkeep and management fees will do that. ‘My wife and I have even talked about if we get close on (an offer) to take money out of our retirement to cover the closing costs … and just to get rid of it,’ he said.”

“Cynthia Arnold, broker at Kareff & Arnold Realty in Mansfield, specializes in listing bank-owned homes. She said some homeowners never even have the option for a short sale because they never get an offer from a buyer. Many of those are headed for default and seizure. ‘I see one listed now that started out at ($135,000), dropped down to 126 and now it’s down to 76,’ Arnold said.”

“Home values directly affect consumer spending, the biggest driver of the American economy, Haurin said. Before the bubble burst, people — believing in the unstoppable skyward trajectory of the housing market — took out home equity loans based on the positive difference between perceived value increases and their actual mortgage.”

“‘Say that your house went up in value by $10,000,’ said Donald Haurin, chairman of the economics department at Ohio State University. ‘That’s, in a sense, just a paper gain, but what this research suggests is that people actually took out 15 percent of it, $1,500, and spent it. Now, when you’ve got equity going the opposite way, the theory is symmetric, it’s going to say that people are reducing their consumption 15 cents for every dollar of equity they lost,’ Haurin said. ‘Even if their income is starting to trend upwards, they’re still cutting back on their consumption.’”

The Appleton Post Crescent in Wisconsin. “A total of 4,885 closed sales were recorded across the state in May, the Wisconsin Realtors Association reported Monday. That’s a 22.6 percent drop from the 6,311 sales logged a year earlier as many first-time buyers scrambled to close deals to take advantage of an $8,000 federal tax credit, which is no longer available.’

“‘(May’s numbers) and next month, I can’t imagine there would be a strong enough June that would match the June we saw last year,’ said David Clark, a professor of economics at Marquette University. ‘That’s when everyone was scrambling to get their deals done so they could meet the tax credit deadline.’”

“Though there was a slight inventory drop, WRA estimates it would take 17.4 months to sell the current inventory. Clark said a normal figure is in the range of six months. ‘If someone is trying to time or figure out where the bottom of the market is, I don’t think anyone really knows for certain, but I think we have to be relatively close to it,’ Clark said.”

The La Crosse Tribune in Wisconsin. “Sales of existing homes in May dropped by 33 percent in La Crosse County and more than 45 percent in Trempealeau County from a year ago, state data showed Monday. Monroe County sales were down by almost 34 percent, according to the Wisconsin Realtors Association.”

“‘We need to get rid of last year’s statistics,’ said Steve Lillestrand, president of the La Crosse Area Realtors Association. ”Then it’s going to be a lot more realistic. I think we’ve got to be a little bit cautious about the statistics we see from the WRA because we have a pretty healthy market locally.’”

“While high-end sales - from $350,000 to $800,000 - declined, most other categories did relatively well, Lillestrand said. Interest rates remain low, he said, which makes it a good time to buy. And those who take a hit as a seller probably will recoup the loss as a buyer, he said. ‘Open houses are busy, there’s lots of traffic, there’s lots of people looking and, honestly, there’s never been a better time to buy,’ Lillestrand said.”

“A number of foreclosures still coming on the market skew the stats as well, Lillestrand said. ‘(Buyers) think they can steal them and it’s not necessarily the case.’”

The Indianapolis Star in Indiana. “Rising crime linked to vacant and abandoned properties is a scourge of Indianapolis neighborhoods. And not just in low-income areas. An Indianapolis Star analysis of crime and census statistics found that crime rates soar even in higher-income neighborhoods if they have higher-than-average vacancy rates.”

“The number of abandoned buildings in Indianapolis and many other cities skyrocketed during the home foreclosure crisis of the past few years. An estimated 35,000 properties — or about 9 percent of the total number of properties in the city — are vacant. Of those, 9,000 to 10,000 are abandoned. The five higher-income areas studied by The Star have two to five times more crime than other neighborhoods of similar wealth.”

“The findings reflected a trend generally in Marion County: In almost every city neighborhood, rich or poor, crime rates skyrocketed when the number of vacant homes increased. Landlord Larry Mitchell, who owns seven properties in Indianapolis, said most landlords try to watch over their property when it isn’t being used.Banks that foreclose, he said, are a bigger nuisance than small-time landlords.”

“‘They are very slow in getting a place secured and turning it over,’ he said. ‘It really hurts neighborhoods. It hurts my property values.’”

“Tehani Jordan and Michael Mansfield have seen close-up some of those hazards in their Near-Northside neighborhood. Their block is pockmarked with vacant lots and abandoned buildings. ‘We just cleared the garbage and weeds away from that building there,’ Mansfield said, pointing to an abandoned three-story brick apartment building one lot to the south. ‘The grass was up to my chest. There are possums and rats running in and out of the building.’”

“Jordan said the street, rather than the buildings, attracts crime. ‘I see the sex and the drugs every night,’ she said. ‘The cars pull up and park because they think no one is watching. You see them lighting up inside. In the mornings, you see condoms and panties on the street.’”

The Grand Rapids Press in Michigan. “Area real estate agents say a new city ordinance requiring registration, inspection and immediate fix-up of vacant homes along with a laundry list of new fees is a ‘money grab’ for City Hall. City Manager Soren Wolff said when presenting the ordinance that it is needed to keep neighborhoods from becoming blighted by deteriorating foreclosed houses.”

“The council approved the ordinance that forces vacant homeowners — even banks — to register the property with the city for a $100 fee, plus monthly charges. City Manager Soren Wolff said the changes under the new ‘Vacant and Abandoned Property Ordinance’ will only cover city costs for personnel time.”

“‘This is not going to fix the problem. Most homes that are in a deplorable condition are that way before people move out,’ said Holland RE/Max broker Corbin Kingsbury, whose company sells about a dozen foreclosed homes a month, noting the city already has ordinances for home maintenance they are not enforcing. ‘The city wants to wait for an investor or home buyer to come along and then stick them with additional costs. This looks like a money grab by the city.’”

“Wolff estimated there are currently about more than 100 vacant and abandoned houses in foreclosure in the city, with some so severely damaged they present a danger to children who might go in them to play. ‘Existing regulations take months and months to implement and then often nothing gets done. This will speed up the process and get deteriorated homes back in shape,’ Wolff said.”

From Consumer Affairs. “Sometimes the best way to get the pain over with is to rip off the bandage. When it comes to resolving the housing crisis, a Kansas State University professor says delaying foreclosures, as the banks are doing now, isn’t helpful. Foreclosures have dropped dramatically in recent months as banks continue negotiations with attorneys general over a settlement that looks at foreclosure practices. K-State finance professor Eric Higgins says some of the settlement proposals may backfire and do more harm than good.”

“While housing has officially entered a double-dip recession, in which sales and prices fell, rose, then fell again, Higgins says that’s a bit misleading. Higgins said it is not so much a double dip in the market, but rather the market never hit bottom. ‘The reason it appears to be a double dip is because foreclosures stopped due to the uproar over robo-signing practices,’ Higgins said. ‘So, what we were seeing for home prices at that time wasn’t really a true price. Once a true regulatory settlement was reached with mortgage servicers, the foreclosure process began again, the inventory of houses increased and prices dropped.’”

“‘In no way do our studies suggest that foreclosure is a good thing,’ said Higgins. ‘It is very unfortunate, but to delay the foreclosure process doesn’t help anybody. It doesn’t help the homeowner who is in debt and can’t get out of debt. It’s not helping the economy because we can’t find the bottom of the housing market. And it’s not helping neighborhoods because you have neglected houses.’”




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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-06-21 06:50:21

When it comes to resolving the housing crisis, a Kansas State University professor says delaying foreclosures, as the banks are doing now, isn’t helpful.

No way. Under no circumstances will the responsible people be allowed to “steal” them. We must delay until they fall apart.

Comment by CA renter
2011-06-22 00:49:47

Thank you.

 
 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-06-21 07:16:24

In the mornings, you see condoms and panties on the street.’”

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Ooooh, free underpants!! There’s always a bright side!

And I think I might start a bulldozer hitman service. You pay me a few grand, I sneak in late in the day and smash a dilapidated abandoned house with my bulldozer. Then they have no choice but to knock it all the way down, and clear the lot.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-06-21 08:33:50

“There are possums and rats running in and out of the building.’”

“In the mornings, you see condoms and panties on the street.’”

Dorothy
I don’t like this neighborhood! It’s - it’s dark and creepy!

Scarecrow
Of course, I don’t know, but I think it’ll get darker before it gets lighter.

Dorothy
Do - do you suppose we’ll see any sex and drugs?

Tin Man
Mmmm - we might.

Dorothy
Oh -
Scarecrow
Any rats?

Tin Man
A - some - but mostly condoms and panties.

Dorothy
Condoms!

Scarecrow
And panties!

Tin Man
And rats!

Dorothy
Oh! Condoms, panties and rats! Oh, - my -

Dorothy, Scarecrow, Tin Man
Condoms and panties and rats!

Dorothy
Oh My!

Scarecrow!
Oh, look!

Dorothy
Oh!

Condom

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-06-21 09:25:57

:-)

 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2011-06-21 15:11:50

How was that not used as the title for this post?

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2011-06-21 07:20:06

“In 2008, a 25-year-old man named Volodymyr Kuchmiyov — a Ukrainian living in Chicago on a student visa — took out two mortgages totaling $675,000″

‘08 was a little late for banks to be duped by the musical income game wasn’t it? Though obviously a fraud, and possibly Casey Serin’s cousin, this didn’t go down in ‘05! He had enablers.

Comment by jbunniii
2011-06-21 12:20:19

Note that even the fraudulently inflated income he reported was only $8k/month, or $96k/year. So a bank lent him 7x income, even as recently as 2008. Insane.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2011-06-21 07:27:20

“Jordan said the street, rather than the buildings, attracts crime. ‘I see the sex and the drugs every night,’ she said. ‘The cars pull up and park because they think no one is watching.”

Then again, some go there because they think someone IS watching? All part of the Post Bubble Blight we predicted in ‘04. Thanks much for all the FL feedback yesterday! And it’s not just Portland, good friend in SD described last summer as a total disappointment.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-06-21 09:20:47

Sweetie, if you see the cars pulling up, here’s something you can do: Call 911. You may have to call more than once, but call.

Be a squeaky wheel — it can make a positive difference.

Comment by jbunniii
2011-06-21 12:24:59

Wouldn’t that be an abuse of the 911 system? What if someone with an actual emergency needs to get through?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-06-21 13:07:44

The 911 system has more than one dispatcher. And, if there’s a heavy call volume, you just stay on the phone until it stops ringing and a dispatcher answers *your* call.

As for calling 911 to report this sort of activity, you need to do it. Why? Because if it’s just partying today, it will be partying and meth-cooking at the same address tomorrow. And then the next day, it will be partying, meth-cooking, and a shooting.

You have to be aggressive about dealing with this stuff. And you have to be persistent. That’s where the squeaky wheel part comes in.

One more thing: When you make a 911 call, you don’t have to leave your name. Just say, “May I be anonymous, please?”

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Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2011-06-21 14:13:09

“it will be partying and meth-cooking at the same address tomorrow. And then the next day, it will be partying, meth-cooking, and a shooting”
Sounds like the ol’ “Marijuana leads to heroin” lecture we were always given when I was in college.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-06-21 08:00:04

“You can’t expect a buyer to purchase a home that includes a boat or car financed through a home-equity loan. ‘That’s not part of your home’s value.’”

It`s not?

My 2 LLs over the past 6 years have both thought it was. They both offered to sell me their houses at the total amount owed. They both said “we just want to get out of it what we have in it”. The first one had taken out a $50k home equity loan and 2 years of free rent before they made the offer and the second one had taken out a $160k home equity loan and wanted us to buy it just before we were signed the rental agreement.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-06-21 08:25:28

“You can’t expect a buyer to purchase a home that includes a boat or car financed through a home-equity loan. ‘That’s not part of your home’s value.’”

Have the demented loan officers finally straightened that out in their underwriting formulas?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-06-21 08:30:33

‘If someone is trying to time or figure out where the bottom of the market is, I don’t think anyone really knows for certain, but I think we have to be relatively close to it,’

The bottom has remained one year out for five years running so far.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-06-21 09:30:20

:-)

I was thinking that the other day too, PB. Wow, how time flies! Five years? Really?? The kids grow up so fast these days.

Anyone remember which month the San Diego Case-Shiller data first started leading the way down? Guess I gotta go look it up…

We should throw a bday party for the bubble-bust.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-06-21 09:41:38

Drat, it’s too late for the five-year party; San Diego peaked in March 2006 at 251.71.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-06-21 08:35:25

“Sales of existing homes in May dropped by 33 percent in La Crosse County and more than 45 percent in Trempealeau County from a year ago, state data showed Monday. Monroe County sales were down by almost 34 percent, according to the Wisconsin Realtors Association.”

The ubiquitous plummet in home sales transactions this spring compared to Spring 2010 has convincingly established one fact about how housing markets behave:

When the federal government employs gimmicks like the $8K first-time home buyer tax credit to distort buyer behavior on a national scale, all real estate isn’t local anymore.

Comment by CA renter
2011-06-22 00:54:25

Exactly.

Whether it’s tax credits, or NINJA loans, or neg-ams, etc., if the credit or incentive to buy is national, then it’s not about, “location, location, location,” anymore.

That’s what has convinced me that we are nowhere near the bottom. You hear the same complaints from people all across our country, and around the world — housing is STILL too expensive!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-06-21 08:37:03

‘…honestly, there’s never been a better time to buy,’

Pardon me while I hurl.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-06-21 08:43:31

“Pardon me while I hurl.”

You are excused.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-06-21 10:29:31

Always keep a bucket handy.

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2011-06-21 15:16:41

Care for a mint?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-06-21 08:40:17

“An estimated 35,000 properties — or about 9 percent of the total number of properties in the city — are vacant. Of those, 9,000 to 10,000 are abandoned.”

I guess those numbers aren’t too surprising, given that Indianapolis was one of the many housing bubble ‘ground zeros’ — wasn’t it?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-06-21 09:12:31

The magnitude of those vacancies in that context (Indy) is astounding. Even at the height of urban decay in the 60s and 70s would one be hard pressed to find such widespread abandonments/vacancies.

These guys are playing with fire here, there’s no telling what problems so many vacancies can create for a locality if left in the current state for very much longer.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-06-21 18:24:03

Drive down any of the East-West streets of Cleveland’s midtown corridor: Chester, Euclid, Carnegie, Cedar between downtown and the University Circle Health Care Industrial Complex and it is just block after block of abandoned buildings and vacant lots…

“Giant sucking sound?” It started well before the 1992 election. And the outsourcing that made it possible was definitely a bipartisan effort.

Comment by CA renter
2011-06-22 00:56:17

Yes, it was. :(

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Comment by denquiry
2011-06-21 09:14:33

NO. And here is a comment from that Indy news article (see below). If Detroit is Dr. Evil, then Indy is Mini Me. People walk, abandon their really old housing and let BIg Brother take care of the old house tear down. Another case of Big Brother (taxpayer) holding the empty bag. Sort of like how TARP was and the ongoing mortgage debacle.
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Per the article, the city spent $29 Million to tear down 675 vacant houses last year - that’s about $43,000 per property! That sounds outrageously high. At that rate, it will cost another $64.5 Million to tear down the remaining 1500 vacant houses. Makes me wonder who on the city council owns, or has a relative who owns, the company or companies doing the work.

Cui said cities should tear down vacant and abandoned buildings as soon as possible, perhaps turning the property over to nonprofits or private or government-run land banks.

Indianapolis officials said that sounds easier than it is. Approval and money to take down a building take time.

Walton, the city’s director of abandoned and unsafe properties, said it costs $18,000 to do an emergency demolition and $6,500 to do a standard demolition.

Comment by 2banana
2011-06-21 10:59:10

Per the article, the city spent $29 Million to tear down 675 vacant houses last year - that’s about $43,000 per property! That sounds outrageously high.

Let me introduce you to a few terms:

Bacon-Davis
Prevailing Wage
Union political donations

Comment by oxide
2011-06-21 13:27:48

I suspect that the $43K was for more than the actual demolition. Probably permitting, EIS, clearing title, all that admin stuff.

When Bush suspended Bacon-Davis after Katrina, the consturction workforce wasn’t flooded with honest quality people who happened to not be in a union. Those jobs were taken by illegals.

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Comment by Steve J
2011-06-21 13:31:01

Let me introduce you to:

Asbestos and lead paint.

The days of just hauling off the refuse to the local incinerator are long gone in a lot of cities.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-06-21 11:04:53

Only five years ago some of those same guys would have been standing shoulder to shoulder with developers at community meetings extolling the virutes of new condos and subdivisions.

Funny the twists and turns life takes.

 
 
Comment by Elanor
2011-06-21 14:19:08

How does one tell the difference between “vacant” and “abandoned”? The degree of neglect and decay?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-06-21 08:45:03

‘It is very unfortunate, but to delay the foreclosure process doesn’t help anybody. It doesn’t help the homeowner who is in debt and can’t get out of debt. It’s not helping the economy because we can’t find the bottom of the housing market. And it’s not helping neighborhoods because you have neglected houses.’

Sounds like maybe there ought to be a law that doesn’t allow lenders to drag their feet forever on foreclosures.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-06-21 09:22:26

“Home values directly affect consumer spending, the biggest driver of the American economy, Haurin said. Before the bubble burst, people — believing in the unstoppable skyward trajectory of the housing market — took out home equity loans based on the positive difference between perceived value increases and their actual mortgage.”

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I base my consumer spending on my income. If there isn’t as much coming in as there once was, well guess what, I spend less.

Comment by denquiry
2011-06-21 09:27:49

but I base my consumer spending on my income
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That’s so 60’s. How long before cash saver’s and the precious metal hoarders are classified as terrorists and their assets confiscated?

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-06-21 09:55:57

‘Open houses are busy, there’s lots of traffic, there’s lots of people looking and, honestly, there’s never been a better time to buy,’ Lillestrand said.”

Considering prices are marching downward, isn’t buying tomorrow better time to buy? When will realtors stop lying?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-06-21 10:39:48

Busy open houses might mean that the lookie-loos are out in force. Or it’s the neighbors. And they’re curious about what the insides of the houses look like.

 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2011-06-21 18:01:24

“When will realtors stop lying?”

Check the weather channel regularly to see if Hell has frozen over yet.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-06-21 10:37:41

“Sometimes the best way to get the pain over with is to rip off the bandage.” <— HBB said precisely that years ago.

“ Higgins said it is not so much a double dip in the market, but rather the market never hit bottom.”

The pause in foreclosures meant that the amount of inventory was stagnant for a while, which meant that people thought “this must be the bottom.” Charles Hugh Smith deserves a medal: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmar11/phase-shift-housing3-11.html

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-06-21 10:45:37

He’s updated his classic graph with new information. A link that’s well worth following!

Comment by oxide
2011-06-21 13:42:15

Basically, he’s calling for three bottoms. We just got done with the first one. The second one (2000 prices) will happen very rapidly — 2011-2012 I think. The ultimate bottom (1987 prices) will occurr in 2013-2014.

I’m trying to align this with my DC-area pricings. Prices here are consistently at 2004 prices, with some of the lower ones at 2002 prices. I believe Smith about the 2000 prices, but I’m not sure DC will ever revert to 1987. There are just too many jobs here.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-06-21 13:48:38

I believe Smith about the 2000 prices, but I’m not sure DC will ever revert to 1987. There are just too many jobs here.

And, remember class, the availability of good-paying, secure jobs is one of the main drivers of house prices.

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Comment by bink
2011-06-21 15:37:53

I agree that there are a lot of good paying jobs in the DC area, but what percentage of buyers do you think are using conventional loans and buying at reasonable multiples of income?

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Comment by toast on the coast 90803
2011-06-21 15:46:46

I just purchased a property in Rancho Mirage California for less than it sold for in 1986.
Yeah!

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-06-21 15:56:29

I just purchased a property in Rancho Mirage California for less than it sold for in 1986.

A virtual toast to you!

 
Comment by CA renter
2011-06-22 00:58:17

Cheers!

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-06-22 07:39:02

“I just purchased a property in Rancho Mirage California for less than it sold for in 1986.”

Wow! Congrats!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-06-21 11:01:56

“After listing their home on the north end of Zanesville for sale in 2007, the Browns took out another mortgage to buy one in the Lone Star state. He took the Zanesville home off the market last year and began renting it after it became clear the price wasn’t going to be right. Brown, who never wanted to be a landlord, said he is about to lose his only tenant. His options are few. ‘We owe $109,000 on the house,” he said. ‘It was appraised just last year at $123,000, and I believe the last offer we got on it was $89,000.’”

Let me see if I understand the process:

Own a home A
Take out a home equity loan on Home A to buy Home B
Walk away from Home A
Never pay back the home equity loan on Home A
Live in Home B
Complain you a victim

Comment by oxide
2011-06-21 14:01:00

I don’t think he bought House B with House A. I think he just took out a new mortgage on House B. Meanwhile,

‘We owe $109,000 on the house,” he said. ‘It was appraised just last year at $123,000, and I believe the last offer we got on it was $89,000.’”

The guy is only $25K in the hole if you include fees. That’s almost low enough to put on a credit card, and they can’t come up with it. That’s how strapped families are these days.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-06-21 13:49:21

Fugly Furnishings alert!! Who lives here? Marie Antoinette?

Check out the 24 pix for this house:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1015-Hollywood-Ave-Silver-Spring-MD-20904/37128581_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}

Zillow has an interesting discrepancy. They often list too many bedrooms for the square footage. That’s a huge red flag that says “illegal occupants living in illegal bedrooms.”

Comment by OcBystander
2011-06-21 18:57:33

They often list too many bedrooms for the square footage.

Nah, you didn’t scroll down far enough, it says this home features a wormhole to Versailles. But they’re probably lying, it probably just leads to a Versailles guest chateau or some other subsidiary structure.

 
 
Comment by CA renter
2011-06-22 01:05:29

“Home values directly affect consumer spending, the biggest driver of the American economy, Haurin said. Before the bubble burst, people — believing in the unstoppable skyward trajectory of the housing market — took out home equity loans based on the positive difference between perceived value increases and their actual mortgage.”
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Home values only affect consumer spending because people can use their houses as collateral for debt.

It is the DEBT that affects consumer spending…but is that really a good thing? I don’t think so. I’d rater see consumer spending affected by HIGHER WAGES, not more debt.

 
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