Irrational Appreciation Amnesia
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “President Barack Obama has made numerous visits in recent months to rejuvenated auto factories and high-tech companies to tout his economic policies to address high unemployment. West Coast Democrats note that you don’t see him making stops in neighborhoods recovering from housing foreclosures, because there’d actually have to be a housing market recovery.”
“‘How bad does it have to get before this administration wakes up and seriously tackles this housing catastrophe?’ Rep. Dennis Cardoza, D-Calif., said in a recent statement. ‘Without bold action, millions of more families will lose their homes and our economy will continue to stall. If this administration continues to stick its head in the sand and wait for the housing crisis to run its course, I am afraid the president could end up losing his current residence in 2012.’”
“There’s a proposal making its way on Capitol Hill that could have a dramatic impact on anybody planning to buy a home. It would raise the down-payment requirement to 20 percent. But critics are outraged, accusing federal regulators of trying to fix the housing crisis by killing the housing market. Realtor Shawn Perez has been busy showing homes, like the one in Buckhead. It’s a quaint brick 3-2, priced to sell at $349,000. The down-payment would be $70,000.”
“‘It would be like a punch in the gut to the current market,’ Perez said. ‘It would be devastating.’”
“Since the real estate bubble burst three years ago, some homeowners going into default find it to be a first step toward renegotiating loan terms with banks. Others could be making “strategic defaults” in order to set the process in motion. They can also lead to outright foreclosure and eviction. But with real estate values dropping and jobs scarce, some homeowners have nothing left to lose.”
“One homeowner in Hailey said that after losing his job, he was advised by a lawyer to not pay his mortgage in order to get attention from Wells Fargo Bank. He hoped the move would result in a home loan modification that would allow him to stay in his home. He said that after six months the attempt failed on a technicality (he had not purchased his home during a specified time period). He is now hoping to succeed in making a short sale, but he does not expect to get what his house is worth.”
“‘I can’t understand why they advise you to go into default, because when you do, people see you are in default and you will never get market value for your home,’ he said.”
“Another Hailey resident and construction worker moved out of his house and stopped making payments two years ago in the hope of getting a loan modification. Two years later, he still technically owns his property. He is hoping the bank will eventually take a deed in lieu of foreclosure, since this process will save the bank additional fees from the foreclosure process. He is also considering filing for bankruptcy.”
“‘This will screw up my credit, but the fact is it was my stellar credit that got me into this in the first place,’ he said.”
“Woodside subdivision resident Fred Burmester succeeded recently in getting a long-term home loan modification, cutting his monthly payments in half. ‘I did a lot of homework before I got started,’ Burmester said. ‘It’s not a free giveaway. I had an income and that made a difference.’”
“His home is now listed for sale. ‘Now my payment is in line with what rents are in my neighborhood,’ he said. ‘I would be happy to never own again after this is over.’”
“Lincoln County saw foreclosure activity spike in April, as lenders resubmitted many of the default notices they had rescinded during the first three months of 2011. ReconTrust, the foreclosure arm of Bank of America, is rescinding fully 57 notices of default from January-March and resubmitting 34 of them in the next two months. B of A spokesman Richard Simon said the rescissions were prompted by an internal review of foreclosure procedures following concerns about ‘robosigning.’”
“‘In October [2010],’ Simon said, ‘Bank of America announced a voluntary freeze on foreclosures to review processes and ensure that our foreclosure decisions are accurate and that our customers are provided with every opportunity for home retention.’”
“Simon said that review concluded in December and that the bank is taking a ‘deliberate and phased approach to restarting the foreclosure process. At the end of March,’ he said, ‘we restarted the foreclosure process in Oregon and that led to a significant increase in filings in April, including both restarted files and new ones.’”
“A local real estate company has joined with a well-known international firm to focus worldwide attention on Oregon’s north coast. ‘The Oregon coast is like Malibu or San Francisco,’ said Philip White, CEO of Sotheby’s International.”
“White said Sotheby’s conducts more than 5 million real estate transactions a year, which ‘is less than at the height of the market. Depending on the local market, prices are down 50 to 75 percent compared to previous years. High-end homeowners don’t have to sell and they are waiting until the market improves.’”
“Here on the north coast, said Farzahn Kamali, the principal broker and owner of the new Kamali Sotheby’s, homes have decreased in value by 25 to 30 percent over the last two years. ‘We see properties closing anywhere from 25 to 50 percent of what they were two or three years ago,’ he said. ‘So it has less to do with valuation and more to do with the seller coming to grips with the market.’”
“White said that international reach is just what the north Oregon coast real estate market could use. ‘What we’re finding is that even though the market is somewhat localized,’ said White, ‘with many buyers being people who have come to the coast for generations, the real estate market in general is becoming very global.’”
“Snorkelling, swimming, surfing and suntanning aren’t the only reasons Canadians visit Hawaii these days. They’re saying aloha to condos and homes that have plummeted in price as much as 60% since January 2008. ‘What’s really driving the market is foreclosures,’ says Re/Max Resort Realty’s Howard Dinits, who lives on Maui.”
“‘Many island properties here were bought as second homes by speculators in the States. In the economic downturn people used revenue from these holiday rentals to make payments on their main homes -then they defaulted on the island properties. In some areas prices have dropped 40 to 60% and it’s as bad as Phoenix.’”
“Dinits doesn’t see prices strengthening any time soon — ‘I don’t think we’ll see irrational appreciation in the next five years, although Americans do have amnesia.’”
“Report author Angie Zigomanis said the drop in home prices to June this year had been caused by the government’s withdrawal of stimulus spending, rising interest rates and a 50 per cent pull-back in the number of first-home buyers entering the market. But he said buyers would return as investment from the mining boom started revving up the economy through 2012.”
“‘Mr Zigomanis forecast Sydney’s median house price to be $640,000 in June 2011, or a 1 per cent rise on a year earlier. The report noted that house prices would ‘remain 9 per cent below the peak of March 2004′ but home loan affordability was ‘at its best level since 2002.’”
“Melbourne’s forecast median house price would hit $575,000, a 3 per cent rise on a year earlier. The report predicts price rises will be ‘minimal’ over the 2011-14 period at 6 per cent, or a fall of 4 per cent during the period when inflation is taken into account. In Brisbane, the median house price would slide 4 per cent over the year to $440,000. The report noted that ‘underlying demand in the Queensland market has been weakened by lower overseas and interstate migration inflows that have fallen to long term lows.’”
“It has been five years since I started to scrutinise the total stock of residential units in the pipeline, that is, current stock plus expected completions minus demolitions from en bloc programmes. Occasionally, people still ask: ‘Why look at completed supply when land sales are hotly bid and developers sell out most of their stock before construction has completed?’”
“Regardless of the take up of pre-sales, physical supply and demand will ultimately influence future prices, rentals and returns. Two weeks ago, National Development Minister Khaw Boon Wan cautioned in his blog about the ‘massive supply that will hit the market from 2013.’”
“Mr Khaw’s worry is about the total 50,826 units that could be completed in 2013 to 2015. With a historical long-term average supply of 8,000 units per year, the average of 17,000 units per year of supply from 2013 to 2015 seems risky should demand from users and tenants not increase in tandem.”
“From its trough in 2Q2009, the price index for non-landed residential properties in the Core Central Region (CCR) increased 42 per cent to 204 points from 144 points. The same index for Outside Central Region (OCR) climbed more rapidly, up 54 per cent to 185 points from 120 points. Many Singaporeans are not surprised to hear of transactions in the outskirts, such as Jurong West, Pasir Ris and Yishun, at S$1,000 to S$1,500 per square foot - even for mass market finishes on 99-year leasehold land.”
“While many investors may be concerned about short-term market jitters, others are looking to take advantage of the uncertainty by searching for solid long-term value buys that offer strong downside protection in the older CCR properties. Our recommendation will be to explore the larger-sized apartments of 2,000 to 4,000 sq ft that were completed before this century. The investment search might take a lot more effort as many gems lay hidden from us and probably hidden from the risks of the impending ‘massive supply.’”
“Bakersfield’s tallest office building could be sold to the highest bidder at an upcoming foreclosure auction. County records show the owner of Stockdale Tower is about $2 million behind on payments of a $24 million loan. But, developer Terry Moreland says he is negotiating a solution with a bank that will allow him to keep the property.”
“Moreland put the building up for sale in 2008, asking for as much as $45 million. But, Moreland says the offers he received came in below that. And, like so many other developers in the last five years, Moreland was also caught when deals on five separate housing tracts went sour. Like most of the tracks in Bakersfield they came to a stop because of the economy.”
“Two of the five tracts went into Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Moreland says he’s pressing forward with the other three. But, the tough economic times aren’t getting him down. He says he saw the same thing in the 1980s. ‘Those are all fallouts of things that come and go, but we’re in it for the long run.’”
“As a homebuilder for about 40 years, and as co-owner of Saddletree Homes and Symphony Homes in Colorado Springs, Lee Bolin said he still enjoys his work so much that he’d probably build homes even if he was just breaking even — although he certainly is in business to make a profit. ‘I can’t imagine anything that could be more rewarding than what I get to do,’ Bolin said. ‘I’ve often said that I’ve never really worked for a living because I get to do my hobby everyday.’ Although, he added, ‘it’s a little more like work right now than normal.’”
“Saddletree builds homes from $300,000 and up, while Symphony is a semi-custom builder whose prices start in the low $600,000s”
“Q: We’ve heard for the past couple of years that more jobs are needed to help boost the new-home and resale markets. That said, what else, if anything, will help get the homebuilding industry out of its funk? A: The realization that our country has been through times such as these before and has come out on the other end. Buying a new home now, at as close to cost as is possible, affords them (buyers) the opportunity to enjoy the appreciation that is sure to come.”
“Q: Any timetable that you can predict on when the market will fully turnaround?”
“A: This won’t last forever and I feel that by the end of this year or early 2012 we will begin to see improvement. Every recession has had a recovery. If you don’t believe there’s going to be a recovery, then you’d better pack up and go to Alaska and learn how to hunt bears or something.”
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“‘How bad does it have to get before this administration wakes up and seriously tackles this housing catastrophe?’ Rep. Dennis Cardoza, D-Calif., said in a recent statement. ‘Without bold action, millions of more families will lose their homes and our economy will continue to stall.
~ Wonder what this numb-nutz wants Barry to do? Short of the gubmint buying up everyone’s upside down mortgage and giving them their house? This fellow like so many does not have a clue.
Agreed the pandering moron is clueless but he has influence and power. Multiply him by the number of other powerful idiots in public service and there is a disaster in the making.
Look I’m singing to the HBB choir but in a sane world, this dicking around the margins is just a means to avoid dealing with what is in the center of it all.
Oh and I might make mention…..
I’m broadly speaking here but most of us refrained from buying a house(committing financial suicide) not because we could not gain entry but because *we knew* it was financial suicide. We were right and the arrogant @$$wipes who are now looking to public servants for a bailout like this one in the article is wrong.
For the global record, Public Servants, your best shot is *do nothing*. Doing nothing is always on the roster of choices. None of you have the intestinal fortitude to do the right thing so just limit the damage you’ve already caused and *do nothing.* No more magical house price levitating laws, no more incentivization like $8,000 Dough4Dumps. Leave it alone.
It’s kinda hard to run of a platform that says “If elected, I promise to do nothing.”
How about the Hippocratic oath MD’s take like “promise to do no harm”?
I agree with you.
Just wonder when this merry-go-round of meddling will come to an end?
Never? WTF knows but it has gone on far far too long. On the way to grab a couple slices of pizza for lunch, I heard smart guys on Bloomberg discussing the lack of mobility for a broad swath of people because they’re all locked into inflated mortgage payments and cannot sell without……. get this……committing financial suicide….. to which I contend they committed suicide when they bought.
Look…. our lives goes on. I’m off to another project next week in a different state. I’d love to go somewhere and buy a place suitable for us but it’s just the wrong thing to do at current prices. So I suppose it could never happen. If I were laid off I’d probably build a place but in the meantime, the landlord will have to paint the walls instead of me.
The problem is easy to fix.
Just return to letting everyone spend 110% of their income, forever, without having to ever pay on or for any of that debt.
What’s so hard about that?
Yes sir! A truly simple solution, you hit the nail on the head, let’s get going on it. Just spend money you don’t have all the way to true prosperity.
“High-end homeowners don’t have to sell and they are waiting until the market improves.’”
Truly high end owners know that the market isn’t going to “improve” the way this realt-liars means it, thus this real-liar is talking out his @$$ once again.
True high-end home owners know that we’re either going to infalte our way out of this, or let the whole global economy crash. Either way, holding on to real estate is not necessarily a bad option if you can’t think of anywhere else to stash your fiat currency.
Realtors have this notion that 100% of homeowners want to sell, and come up with all kinds of excuses as to why people aren’t calling them up to sell. Evidently the notion that people are doing fine and don’t care to move doesn’t occure to them?
“His home is now listed for sale. ‘Now my payment is in line with what rents are in my neighborhood,’ he said. ‘I would be happy to never own again after this is over.’”
Expect this type of sentiment to have long-lasting consequences. As in, subsequent generations who don’t view homeownership as quite the be-all end-all that it is now.
Same sort of thing happened during and after the Great Depression. I’m sure we all know people whose grandfathers lost everything they’d invested in the stock market. “Don’t trust the stock market” is the advice that was frequently given out in these families.
Likewise, the oft-used HBB term “bankster.” That came about during the Great Depression. And its usage became so widespread that even President Hoover was heard saying it.
The banksters may say we have short memory. But look at their attempts to start a new tech bubble.
Pandora, opened up but within days was trading below IPO.
LinkedIn soared on open but within weeks was 15% below IPO.
I forget the others, but there were more.
Yes, these tech stock are back to IPO price in the last few days, but that is end of quarter window dressing.
Main Street does not have as short of memory as the banksters would like.
Here’s my take on LinkedIn and the recent trajectory of its stock price:
I think that the LinkedIn business model may be getting a closer look. And the investors may not be in love with what they see.
My understanding is that LinkedIn makes most of its money from corporate headhunters, who pay to have access to the site. After all, they might as well fish where the fish are.
Then there’s advertising. I’d surmise that’s in second place behind revenues from the headhunters.
As for third place, I’m guessing that would be membership fees. I’m of the mind that only a small percentage of LinkedIn’s members actually pay to use the site. (I sure don’t!) And, if LinkedIn started charging fees to everyone, a lot of the user base would vanish.
There’s something different about this new dot-com bubble: people are only buying IPO’s for websites that are already proven profit-generators. Gone are the days when five website designers were millionaires from their IPO before the site itself made a dime in profit. Yes, new websites are advertising all the time, and going bust all the time, but as for capital investment? NASDAQ is sitting this one out.
Maybe you’re right, but IMHO they’re still overpaying for these stocks.
“His home is now listed for sale. ‘Now my payment is in line with what rents are in my neighborhood,’ he said. ‘I would be happy to never own again after this is over.’”
I’ll Never Fall In Love Again
What do you get when you buy a house?
A guy with a pin to burst your bubble
That’s what you get for all your trouble
I’ll never buy a house again
I’ll never buy a house again
What do you get when you buy a house?
You get a spare room, for your daughter
After you do, your underwater
I’ll never buy a house again
Dontcha know that I’ll never buy a house again?
Don’t tell me what it’s all about
’cause I’ve been there and I’m glad I’m out
Out of those chains, those chains that bind you
That is why I’m here to remind you
What do you get when you buy a house?
You only get lies and pain and sorrow
So far at least until tomorrow
I’ll never buy a house a- gain
No, no, I’ll never buy a house again
Ahh, out of those chains, those chains that bind you
That is why I’m here to remind you
What do you get when you buy a house?
You only get lies and pain and sorrow
So far at least until tomorrow
I’ll never buy a house a- gain
Dontcha know that I’ll never buy a house a- gain
I’ll never buy a house a- gain
I remember about… man… 4 years ago, Ben posted a blog “How would you fix it?”.
That got me thinking long and hard. I didn’t get my idea figured out in time to make that thread, but did post my idea later.
I figured there was $5T in too much housing debt. Fixing all of that would not be necessary, just enough of it to prevent complete and total collapse.
My suggestion was to have the government nationalize a portion of the debt… about $3T-4T. Divide it up based on your last reported 1040 household income. Basically, if you make less than medain household income, you get 1x your income. If you make more tha median, then you lose $.50 per $1 up until you are at 3x median where you get nothing.
If you have a mortgage more than 2x your income, the money is handed to your lender in your name to buy down the mortgage. If you owed less than 2x your income (or had no mortgage at all), then you are handed a check to help you buy a house or compensate for the inflation this printing of money out of thin air would cause.
The key to this plan was that if you were stupid during the bubble and bought a bunch of houses above fundamental value, or if you bouht a single house but for WAY above your income, you were still in huge trouble. If you bought just a little over fundamental, you’d be helped. If you were really smart and didn’t buy in the bubble, you were rewarded.
Some thought it was a good idea, and others flat out said I had no clue.. that adding $3-4 trillion to the deficit would devistate the economy (this was back when we had only $5T publically held national debt).
This would not have “fixed” the economy as we were still facing the probelm of the obvious end game of the debt based economy. However, it would have prevented a sharp crash.
Well, 4 years later and 4 years of $1T++ deficits and we’ve gone from $5T real debt to $9.7T real debt.
Hmmmm…. $3T-4T is starting to look like a good deal.
“Q: Any timetable that you can predict on when the market will fully turnaround?”
“A: This won’t last forever and I feel that by the end of this year or early 2012 we will begin to see improvement. Every recession has had a recovery. If you don’t believe there’s going to be a recovery, then you’d better pack up and go to Alaska and learn how to hunt bears or something.”
I think he meant to say “relturds better pack up and go to Alaska to hunt bears or somthing “
Daryl Fauth, an employee at Blaine County Title Co., said that over the past year there has been an average of one mortgage default per day in Blaine County.
Out of those 365 defaults, 180 properties have become bank-owned through foreclosure and put back on the market, usually at a lower price.
Blaine County may not ring a bell to those outside Idaho, but it’s the home of Sun Valley and Ketchum. It’s sort of like Beverly Hills in the Rockies, where guys like Arnold and John Kerry have 5,000 square foot “mountain cabins” to get away from it all. Hailey is the town where the people who work in Ketchum live. Similarly, Bellevue is the town where the people who work in Hailey live.
Bruce Willis bought up much of main-street Hailey over the last two decades.
My point is that this isn’t a big amount of foreclosures in a dirtbag rural town. This is very troubling, since who can come up with the scratch to offer on a short-sale for very expensive resort properties?
The Hawaii article cracks me up. Yes, invest in a vacation home in Hilo.
“Hilo’s location on the eastern side of the island of Hawaiʻi (windward relative to the trade winds) makes it the wettest city in the United States and one of the wettest cities in the world.”
Sounds like a great place to get a suntan.
*: It is great if you like volcanos and tsunamis. Hilo is way overdue for a large tsunami.
Also, from what I hear Hawaii has been cracking down on rentals without permits. Taxes for rentals are outrageous. These new speculators will find out just how much Hawaii depends on tourism too, they’ll all have to sell once another slowdown hits.
Bink, have you been to Hawaii? to Hilo? Longterm trend is wet, you’re right, but it’s been a 10 year drought so far. And guess what, lots of us eastsiders like rain - about 10 little sprinkles a day (no need for an umbrella), rain keeps it comfortable here. Or you can go to Kona where it is hot and dry all the time.
I wouldn’t want to be in Hilo on the bayfront (which is below sea level) if there was a tsunami. Move to higher ground. We have tsunami sirens. [But I didn't freak out over tornadoes in north Texas, or hurricanes in Houston either. Actually the street flooding (and potholes) in Houston everytime it rained was far worse than anything here.]
Ben, thanks for the Howard Dinits article. He used to be here on my island, so he knows Hilo, Puna, Pahoa areas well. Nice to read about Maui. Lots of Alaskans and Canadians retire here. And I am grateful that they are shopping. He’s a realtor, probably one of the better ones.
And when the volcano puts on a little show around Kalapana, it is great because I have guests in my rental. It takes 9 booked nights a month for me to feel ok about my income (approx $600-700/mo).
I bought a ocean view half acre for $25k in 2002, now they sell as low as $50k. (House lot in my neighborhood in Houston in 2002 was 250k) And I didn’t get a mortgage on the house I built either. It’s not a bad place to be stuck in survival mode, very low crime, good climate, simple living.
Sometimes I wish I had not sold my apartment buildings (9 unit and 17 unit) in Houston in 2003. But I’m here and Hawaii is definitely ok.
Ya, I live on Oahu and I’ve been to Hilo. I actually like Hilo as a town, but it’s not what I think of as a vacation place. I must not be alone, as you’ll notice very few hotels around Hilo and no real resorts. I only mention it to explain why housing costs are so cheap there. It’s not a bargain for people looking for a vacation rental, IMHO.
“‘The Oregon coast is like Malibu or San Francisco,’ said Philip White, CEO of Sotheby’s International.”
Is it the 100 mph winds, or the 9 months of rain?
“‘It would be like a punch in the gut to the current market,’ Perez said. ‘It would be devastating.’”
What do Used Home Salespeople have against affordable housing?
The big timber companies in our area , upstate SC ,have been dumping their land the last several years . They are not giving it away , at about 2-3 K per acre in 300 to 800 acre lots. This is the first time in my lifetime We have seen this . Used to be the only way to straighten a property line with a Timber Company was to swap One acre to seven acres , their favor. They must have looked to the future , and not seen Timber as a growing entity . Newspapers and houses , and about any paperwork comes from trees.